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The Charlie Rose Show: Former President BiIl Clinton
12/14/2007
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Former President Bill Clinton appears on the Charlie Rose Show. Rose: ARE YOU SUGGESTING BY 23:27:01 THAT SENATOR OBAMA IS MORE SYMBOL THAN SUBSTANCE AS AN 23:27:06 AGENT OF CHANGE. THAT'S NOT -- HE CAN'T HELP 23:27:09 THAT. >> Rose: IS THAT THE REALITY 23:27:11 THAT HE IS MORE SYMBOL THAN -- >> OTHER PEOPLE -- WHAT I'M 23:27:15 SUGGESTING IS THAT IF I WERE NOT -- IF I HAD NEVER BEEN 23:27:19 MARRIED TO HILLARY BUT I HAD KNOWN HER 36 YEARS AND SHE ASKED 23:27:25 ME TO DO THIS FOR HER CAMPAIGN I WOULD IN A HEARTBEAT BECAUSE I 23:27:29 DON'T THINK IT'S CLOSE OF ALL THE CHOICES. 23:27:32 I LIKE ALL OF THESE PEOPLE. I THINK THE OTHERS ARE ENTITLED 23:27:37 A SERIOUS LOOK. JOHN EDWARDS MADE A SERIOUS 23:27:39 STUDY OF POVERTY THE LAST FOUR YEARS. 23:27:41 HE STARTED RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT TWO YEARS AFTER HE WAS IN THE 23:27:45 SENATE FULL TIME BUT WHEN HE LEFT THE SENATE HE MADE A 23:27:48 SERIOUS STUDY OF POVERTY. THE OTHERS BIDEN, DODD, 23:27:52 RICHARDSON HAVE DONE GREAT THINGS. 23:27:54 I THAT I THAT COUNTS FOR SOMETHING. 23:27:57 I'M OLD FASHIONED I THINK A PRESIDENT OUGHT TO HAVE DONE 23:28:00 SOMETHING FOR HIS COUNTRY OBAMA IS A PERSON OF ENORMOUS 23:28:08 TALENT. STAGGERING POLITICAL SKILLS. 23:28:12 >> Rose: READY TO BE PRESIDENT? 23:28:13 >> THE VOTERS HAVE TO MAKE UP THEIR MIND. 23:28:16 >> Rose: YOU SAT IN THE OFFICE. 23:28:17 >> YES, BUT WHAT I'M SAYING IS IN MY EXPERIENCE, WHAT I KNOW 23:28:21 ABOUT THE JOB AND WHAT I KNOW ABOUT THE WORLD. 23:28:23 I'VE BEEN TO 90 COUNTRIES SINCE I'VE BEEN OUT OF OFFICE. 23:28:27 I WANT A PRESIDENT NEXT TIME WHO HAS A GOOD VISION AND HAS GREAT 23:28:31 PROGRAMS BUT UNDERSTANDS THAT AGAIN VISION AND PROGRAMS DON'T 23:28:35 NECESSARILY CHANGE PEOPLE'S LIVES. 23:28:37 HILLARY, EVER SINCE I KNEW HER, HAS BEEN THE BEST I EVER SAW AT 23:28:42 SEEING A PROBLEM AND FIGURING OUT WHAT TO DO ABOUT IT. 23:28:46 I HAVE NOTHING BAD TO SAY ABOUT HIM AND OTHERS. 23:28:49 >> Rose: YOU SAID YOU KEEP SCORE -- 23:28:53 >> IT DEPENDS ON WHAT YOU THINK THE ELECTION IS B. IF YOU LISTEN 23:28:56 TO THE PEOPLE STRONGLY FOR HIM THEY SAY THROW AWAY THE 23:29:00 EXPERIENCED PEOPLE BECAUSE THEY'VE BEEN THROUGH THE WARS OF 23:29:02 THE 1990'S. THEY'VE MADE ENOUGH DECISIONS 23:29:05 AND ENOUGH CALLS THAT THEY'VE MADE A FEW MISTAKES AND WE WANT 23:29:09 SOMEBODY WHO STARTED RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT A YEAR AFTER HE BECAME 23:29:15 A SENATOR BECAUSE HE IS FRESH AND NEW AND HAS MASSIVE 23:29:18 POLITICAL SKILLS AND WE'RE WILLING TO RISK IT. 23:29:21 AND I EVEN WHEN I WAS A GOVERNOR AND YOUNG I DIDN'T RUN. 23:29:30 I HAD LOTS OF DEMOCRATIC GOVERNORS ENCOURAGING ME TO. 23:29:36 I KNEW IN MY BONES I SHOULDN'T RUN. 23:29:40 I DIDN'T THINK I WAS READY TO BE PRESIDENT. 23:29:42 >> Rose: LOO AT THIS IS JOE BIDEN READY TO BE PRESIDENT? 23:29:47 >> ABSOLUTELY. >> Rose: IS CHRIS DODD? 23:29:49 >> I THINK HE IS. >> Rose: IS BILL RICHARDSON 23:29:53 READY TO BE PRESIDENT? >> LET ME EXPLAIN IT THIS WAY, 23:29:57 ALL OF THEM KNOW ENOUGH AND HAVE MADE A ENOUGH DECISIONS 23:30:02 INCLUDING A FEW MISTAKES. I WANT A PRESIDENT WHO MADE A 23:30:06 MISTAKE. >> Rose: YOU BELIEVE YOU LEARN 23:30:07 MORE FROM FAILURE THAN YOU DO VICTORY? 23:30:10 >> NO BUT I THINK YOU LEARN SOMETHING FROM BOTH IF YOU'VE 23:30:13 GOT ANY SENSE. THE POINT I'M TRYING TO MAKE IS 23:30:17 NOT TO CRITICIZE -- I HAVE NOTHING BAD TO SAY ABOUT ANY OF 23:30:21 THESE PEOPLE. OBAMA, I GET CKLED WATCHING 23:30:25 HIM. HE HAS GREAT SKILLS. 23:30:27 IT DEPENDS ON WHAT THE AMERICAN PEOPLE BELIEVE IS MORE IMPORTANT 23:30:33 IS IT MORE IMPORTANT TO HAVE SOMETHING BY HIS NATURE 23:30:38 COMPELLING, INCREDIBLY ATTRACTIVE SYMBOL OF 23:30:43 TRANSFORMATION OR IS IT MORE IMPORTANT TO HAVE SOMEBODY WHO 23:30:48 WOULD SYMBOLIZE CHANGE BY BEING THE FIRST WOMAN PRESIDENT BUT 23:30:52 HAS DONE INCREDIBLE NUMBERS OF THINGS TO CHANGE OTHER PEOPLES 23:30:56 LIVES. I THINK THAT MATTERS. 23:30:58 >> Rose: I DON'T WANT TO SIT HERE AND MAKE A TEST ABOUT ONE 23:31:01 CANDIDATE VERSUS ANOTHER. >> I DON'T EITHER. 23:31:03 >> Rose: BUT I DO WANT TO TAP INTO YOUR SENSE OF WHERE AMERICA 23:31:07 OUGHT TO BE AND WHAT THE STANDARD OUGHT TO BE AND WHAT 23:31:10 THE ISSUES OUGHT TO BE AND WHAT YOU THINK -- 23:31:13 >> I'VE ALREADY TOLD YOU. I THINK THE STANDARD -- I THINK 23:31:17 WE NEED SOMEONE WHO CAN FIRST CHANGE DIRECTION. 23:31:20 >> Rose: AND ON THAT COUNT -- >> ALL OF THEM WILL. 23:31:23 >>AN VOTE FOR ANY OF THESE DEMOCRATS AND THEY'LL GIVE US A 23:31:29 DIFFERENT FOREIGN POLICY AND A MORE AGGRESSIVE EFFORT ON 23:31:32 CLIMATE CHANGE. >> Rose: THEY'LL BE CHANGE 23:31:34 AGENTS. >> THEY'LL ALL CHANGE 23:31:36 DIRECTIONS. I KNOW THAT OBAMA -- I KNOW THAT 23:31:40 HILLARY AND EDWARDS AND KUCINIC AND RICHARDSON HAVE UNIVERSAL 23:31:46 HEALTH CARE PLANS. MAYBE DODD DOES. 23:31:48 BIDEN AND OBAMA DON'T. EVEN THEY WOULD DO MORE ON 23:31:52 HEALTH CARE THAN THEY ARE DOING NOW. 23:31:54 >> Rose: IT BECOMES A DEBATE BETWEEN CANDIDATE AS TO HOW THEY 23:32:00 DEFINE UNIVERSALITY AND THAT. >> THERE'S NO REAL DEBATE ON 23:32:05 THAT. THERE'S NO OBJECTIVE THIRD PARTY 23:32:08 AUTHORITIES SAYING THERE'S NO SUBS STALL DIFFERENCE BETWEEN 23:32:11 THE PLANS. THAT'S NOT THE POINT. 23:32:14 THE POINT IS GET YOU A CHANGE IN DIRECTION. 23:32:16 YOU HAVE A SIMPLE QUESTION HERE. WHO WOULD BE THE BEST PRESIDENT? 23:32:19 WHO IS THE THE MOST READY TO LEAD? 23:32:22 >> Rose: DOESN'T THAT DEPEND -- LETE INTERRUPT. 23:32:29 DOESN'T THAT DEPEND IN TERMS OF 1992, 1996, DOESN'T THAT 23:32:34 DEPENDENT ON IN PART -- NOT JUST THE CANDIDATE BUT WHERE THE 23:32:39 COUNTRY IS AND WHERE THE WORLD IS? 23:32:40 >> SURE. >> Rose: AND SOMEHOW THERE'S 23:32:44 SOMETHING CALLED HISTORY AND WHERE THEY ARE AND HOW THEY 23:32:47 PERCEIVE AMERICA'S MOST. YOU JUST SAID THAT AMERICAN 23:32:50 PEOPLE UNDERSTAND THESE ISSUES HAVE A TWO COMPLEX -- ARE TOO 23:32:54 COMPLEX FOR ONE COUNTRY TO SOLVE AND AMERICA LIVES IN A WORLD 23:32:57 TODAY IN WHICH THEIR NEW SOURCES OF POWER AND REAL COMPETITIVE 23:33:01 POWER. >> A DEGREE WITH THAT. 23:33:03 -- I AGREE WITH THAT. REMEMBER IN 1992 WHEN I WAS JUST 23:33:07 46 YEARS OLD I WAS ALSO THE SENIOR GOVERNOR IN AMERICA. 23:33:12 >> Rose: DEALING EVERY DAY WITH DOMESTIC ISSUES. 23:33:15 >> BUT I'D BEEN DOING FOR A LONG TIME. 23:33:18 I ALSO HAD EXTENSIVE INTERNATIONAL ECONOMIC 23:33:21 EXPERIENCE BECAUSE OF MY ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT EFFORTS. 23:33:26 AND I DO BELIEVE NOW THAT THE SECURITY ISSUES ARE MORE 23:33:30 IMPORTANT EVEN THOUGH THEY ARE IN THE BACK GROUND. 23:33:32 THEY ARE MOG -- MORE SOMETHING THAN THEY WERE THEN. 23:33:36 THEN WE WEREN'T SO MUCH WORRIED ABOUT OUR SECURITY. 23:33:40 WE WERE WORRIED ABOUT BUILDING ARCHITECTURE FOR THE POST COLD 23:33:47 WAR WORLD. >> Rose: DIFFERENT FROM UNDER 23:33:50 GEORGE BUSH. >> AT LEAST HE CALLED FOR IT AND 23:33:51 HE DID SOME OF THE TRADE WORK. WE HAD QUITE A LOT OF OVERLAP IN 23:33:55 WHAT WE WANTED TO DO, HE AND I DID, ON THAT SCORE. 23:33:59 >> Rose: PRIMARILY MANAGING THE RUSH RUSSIAN RELATIONSHIP AT 23:34:04 THE END OF THE COLD WAR. >> WE WANTED TO DO THAT AND WE 23:34:07 DID A PRETTY GOOD JOB OF THAT, I THINK. 23:34:09 HE DID AND I THINK I DID. THE POINT I'M TRYING TO MAKE 23:34:13 HERE WAS THAT THIS WHOLE ELECTION WILL BE DETERMINED IN 23:34:16 PART BY WHAT YOU THINK A PRESIDENT'S SUPPOSED TO DO. 23:34:21 AND WHETHER YOU WANT A PRESIDENT -- AND WHAT DO YOU 23:34:23 WANT THEM TO DO BASED ON WHAT THEY HAVE DONE AND WHETHER YOU 23:34:26 THINK IT MATTERS IN A -- I MEAN IN THEORY NO EXPERIENCE MATTERS. 23:34:36 IN THEORY WE COULD FIND SOMEONE WHO IS GIFTED TELEVISION 23:34:42 COMMENTATOR. >> Rose: YOU THINK? 23:34:44 >> AND LET THEM RUN. THEY WOULD HAVE ONLY ONE YEAR 23:34:48 LESS EXPERIENCE IN NATIONAL POLITICS. 23:34:50 OR, YOU KNOW -- [ LAUGHTER ] 23:34:52 I'M JUST SAYING -- I DON'T WANT TO BE FLIPPANT HERE. 23:34:56 THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO HONESTLY BELIEVE WHAT YOU HAVE 23:34:59 DONE FOR OTHER PEOPLE IN YOUR PUBLIC LIFE. 23:35:01 >> Rose: OR YOUR PRIVATE LIFE. >> IS COMPLETELY IRRELEVANT. 23:35:07 THAT WHAT MATTERS IS WHAT YOU SYMBOLIZE. 23:35:10 >> Rose: YOU DON'T? >> NO, I DON'T. 23:35:12 I DON'T BASED ON NOT ONLY THE GOOD THINGS WE DID WHEN I WAS 23:35:17 PRESIDENT BUT THE CHALLENGES I FACED EVEN WHEN THE EXPERIENCES 23:35:21 THAT I HAD. I THINK SHE'S -- FOR THIS MOMENT 23:35:24 IN TIME -- SIGNIFICANTLY BETTER QUALIFIED, HILLARY IS -- 23:35:30 >> Rose: BECAUSE YOUR PREPARATION IS BETTER THAN -- 23:35:33 THAN MINE WAS AND BECAUSE OF WHAT SHE'S ACHIEVED WORKING WITH 23:35:39 REPUBLICANS AND DEMOCRATS IN THE SENATE. 23:35:41 THE SECURITY AND THE WORK SHE'S DONE IN HEALTH CARE. 23:35:43 SHE AND JOHN McCAIN TOOK SKEPTICAL REPUBLICANS TO THE 23:35:48 NORTHERN MOST VILLAGE IN NORWAY. TO THE NORTHERN MOST AMERICAN 23:35:52 TOWN, POINT BARREL ALASKA. WE NOW HAVE A BIPARTISAN 23:35:57 MAJORITY IN THE U.S. SENATE TO SET A LIMIT ON CARBON EMISSIONS 23:36:01 AND PUT AMERICA BACK IN THE FOREFRONT OF THIS CHANGE. 23:36:04 IN A WAY THAT I THINK IS CRITICAL TO OUR ECONOMIC FUTURE. 23:36:07 SHE PLAYED A ROLE IN THAT. I THINK THAT MATTERS. 23:36:10 I THINK THOSE KINDS OF THINGS MATTER. 23:36:13 THE VOTERS ARE ENTITLEDO SAY THEY DON'T. 23:36:16 >> Rose: THEY CAN SAY WE THINK THEY MATTER BUT WE CHOOSE TO GO 23:36:21 THIS. >> AND WE'RE PREPARED TO ROLL 23:36:25 THE DICE. >> Rose: YOU WOULD SAY TO THE 23:36:27 VOTERS IF THEY ARE PREPARED TO CHOOSE SOMEONE WITH LESS 23:36:30 EXPERIENCE BUT PERHAPS OTHER QUALITIES AS YOU'VE SAID GIFTED 23:36:33 IN POLITICS. >> VERY GIFTED. 23:36:35 >> Rose: THEN THEY ARE ROLLING THE DICE IS WHAT YOU ARE SAYING. 23:36:39 >> WELL -- >> Rose: THEY ARE ARE ROLLING 23:36:42 THE DICE WITH AMERICA IF THEY DON'T CHOOSE WHO YOU ARE TALKING 23:36:46 ABOUT. >> IT'S LESS PREDICABLE, ISN'T 23:36:49 IT? WHEN IS THE LAST TIME WE ELECTED 23:36:52 A PRESIDENT BASED ON ONE YEAR OF SERVICE. 23:36:57 HE WILL HAVE BEEN A SENATOR LONGER BUT ONCE YOU START 23:37:00 RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT YOU DON'T HAVE TIME TO DO MUCH ELSE. 23:37:04 >> Rose: JOHN KENNEDY WAS 43 WHEN HE WAS ELECTED, WASN'T? 23:37:09 YOU WERE HOW OLD? >> I I WAS 46. 23:37:11 >> Rose: I -- I KNOW HOW FAST YOU WERE. 23:37:20 SOME PEOPLE ARE SAYING THE FOLLOWING ABOUT IN ISSUE -- THIS 23:37:24 ISSUE ABOUT EXPERIENCE -- LOOK AT ALL THE PEOPLE IN WASHINGTON 23:37:28 HANDLING THE WAR. EVEN THOSE WHO SUPPORTED THEN 23:37:31 AND NOW LIKE JOHN McCAIN IS A EXPERIENCE CREWED IT UP. 23:37:36 EXPERIENCE IN NATIONAL SECURITY SCREWED IT UP. 23:37:39 >> I AGREE WITH THAT. >> Rose: YOU CAN MAKE THE 23:37:42 ARGUMENT FOR EXPERIENCE BUT IT FALLS SHORT IF YOU BELIEVE WHAT 23:37:45 THEY SAY. THE OTHER THING ABOUT KENNEDY. 23:37:47 THERE'S THIS IDEA, TOO, THAT LIFE'S EXPERIENCES ARE 23:37:54 IMPORTANT, TOO. YOU DOESN'T HAVE TO BE IN THE 23:37:56 SENATE. >> A DEGREE WITH THAT. 23:37:57 >> Rose: IT DOESN'T -- I AGREE WITH THAT. 23:38:00 >> Rose: YOU HAD NO SUPPORT IN THE -- EXPERIENCE IN THE SENATE 23:38:04 BUT YOU HAD EXPERIENCE WITH DEALING WITH PROBLEMS. 23:38:09 >> LET'S EXTRACT THIS. LET'S DEAL WITH THE EXPERIENCE 23:38:14 ISSUE. I REMEMBER THE FIRST TIME 23:38:16 SENATOR OBAMA SAID THAT. HE SAID CHENEY AND RUMSFELD HAD 23:38:20 A LOT OF EXPERIENCE. THAT HAS GREAT SUPERFICIAL 23:38:23 APPEAL. LET ME MAKE THE ARGUMENT IN 23:38:27 ANOTHER CONTEXT. THAT'S LIKE SAYING BECAUSE 100% 23:38:31 OF THE MEDICAL MALPRACTICE CASES ARE COMMITTED BY DOCTORS THE 23:38:37 NEXT TIME I NEED SURGERY I'LL GET A CHEF OR A PLUM HER TO DO 23:38:43 IT -- PLUMBER TO DO IT. LOGICAL EXTENSION OF THAT IS 23:38:49 INHERENTLY ABSURD. SO IT'S NOT EXPERIENCE, SIT WHAT 23:38:56 IS -- IT IS WHAT IS YOUR RECORD OF DOING FOR OTHER PEOPLE AND 23:39:00 CAN YOU MAKE A DIFFERENCE IN PEOPLE'S LIVES AND DO YOU LEARN 23:39:04 FROM YOUR MISTAKES? I THINK YOU DO. 23:39:06 SECONDLY. THERE'S NOTHING WRONG WITH 23:39:08 AMBITION TO BE PRESIDENT. >> Rose: WITH ALL RESPECT, YOU 23:39:12 OUGHT TO KNOW. >> THAT'S RIGHT. 23:39:15 I THINK IT'S REALLY, REALLY INTERESTING THAT, YOU KNOW, I'VE 23:39:20 HEARD SENATOR OBAMA -- I DON'T KNOW A DOZEN TIMES, SEEN HIM 23:39:26 QUOTED IN THE NEWSPAPERS MAKING SOME FAIRLY DERISIVE AND OBVIOUS 23:39:31 COMMENT ABOUT HILLARY SAYING SHE HAD SOME DECADES OLD PLAN TO BE 23:39:37 PRESIDENT. REPEATING THIS TOTAL CANNARD. 23:39:44 >> Rose: SHE MADE SOME REMARKS ABOUT HIM AND SOME PAPER HE HAD 23:39:48 WRITTEN WHEN HE WAS A YOUNG PERSON THAT HE WROTE, SOME 23:39:54 ESSAY. I DON'T THINK IT MAKES A 23:39:56 DIFFERENCE. >> LET'S BE FAIR THAT WAS HOW 23:39:59 THE PAPERS IT. THAT IS NOT WHAT HAPPENED. 23:40:01 HE KEPT SAYING. HE KEPT REPEATED THIS FABRICATED 23:40:05 ACCOUNT FROM THIS ANTIHILLARY BOOK THAT SHE HAD THIS DECADES 23:40:09 LONG PLAN TO BE PRESIDENT. AS IF IT WAS SOMETHING BAD 23:40:14 BECAUSE HE DIDN'T HAVE A DECADES LONG PLAN TO BE PRESIDENT. 23:40:17 SO ON HER WEB SITE THEY PUT UP REPORTS FROM PEOPLE WHO WORKED 23:40:20 FOR SENATOR OBAMA THAT HE WAS PLANNING TO RUN FOR PRESIDENT 23:40:23 WHEN HE FIRST GOT TO THE SENATE. THAT HE WAS PLANNING IN THE 23:40:27 STATE SENATE. THEY PUT THE KINDERGARTEN LETTER 23:40:31 AND THOUGHT IT WAS FUNNY. OBAMA'S PEOPLE SEIZED ON IT AND 23:40:35 GOT THE PRESS TO WRITE ONLY ABOUT THAT. 23:40:37 I THINK IT'S FUNNY. CONSIDER THIS: HERE WAS 23:40:41 HILLARY'S LIFETIME PLAN TO RUN FOR PRESIDENT, RIGHT? 23:40:43 WHEN SHE GOT OUT OF YALE LAW SCHOOL, SHE COULD HAVE GONE TO 23:40:48 CHICAGO WHERE SHE WAS FROM, TAKEN A JOB IN A LAW FIRM. 23:40:55 >> Rose: AND LOW AND BEHOLD SHE BET ON A POLITICIAN WHO WAS 23:40:59 JUST DEFEATED HILLARY RODHAM CLINTON NO MONEY AND MOVED TO 23:41:02 ARKANSAS. >> HER IDEA TO RUN FOR PRESIDENT 23:41:04 WAS TO MOVE TO THE ARKANSAS OZARK AND MAR WHY A GUY WHO MADE 23:41:13 $30,000 A YEAR. >> Rose: I THINK IT'S SILLY. 23:41:16 >> I DO, TOO. SHE WAS PUTTING SOMETHING ON THE 23:41:20 WEB SITE TO REPLY. >> Rose: HE GOT A FEW 23:41:24 STENOGRAPHERS TO WRITE SOMETHING ABOUT THIS KINDERGARTEN. 23:41:30 WE OUGHT TO WANT YOUNG PEOPLE TO GROW UP TO BE PRESIDENT. 23:41:33 IT'S NOT A BAD THING. WE OUT TO WANT GIRLS TO WANT TO 23:41:37 GROW UP AND BE PRESIDENT. >> Rose: I READ THAT YOU ARE 23:41:40 NERVOUS ABOUT THIS NOW. YOU ARE UNHAPPY ABOUT WHAT HAS 23:41:43 HAPPENED WITH THE CAMPAIGN IN THE LAST -- YOU ARE HERE 23:41:45 CORRECTING THINGS. LET'S DEAL THAT. 23:41:47 YOU ARE NERVOUS ABOUT IT. THE RACE IS TIGHTENING IN NEW 23:41:50 HAMPSHIRE AND IN IOWA AND PEOPLE SAY BILL CLINTON IS THE 23:41:58 PRESIDENT -- THE PRESIDENT IS NOT HAPPY. 23:41:59 >> WELL, NO. LET ME BACK UP AND SAY THIS. 23:42:03 IN JANUARY WHEN HILLARY FINALLY -- ON NEW YEAR'S DAY 23:42:08 WHEN SHE FINALLY SAID TO ME I WANT TO DO THIS. 23:42:13 I SAID I'LL MAKE YOU A PREDICTION. 23:42:15 ALL THE PRESS WILL SAY YOU WILL COAST TO THE NOMINATION AND YOU 23:42:21 ONLY WITH BE ABLE TO BE LEBLGHTED BECAUSE YOU HAVE HIGH 23:42:25 NEGATIVES. I PREDICT TO YOU THAT THE 23:42:27 REVERSE IS TRUE. I THINK YOU'LL HAVE A DIFFICULT 23:42:29 TIME GETTING NOMINATED, BIGGER CHALLENGE AND IF YOU ARE 23:42:33 NOMINATED, I BELIEVE YOU'LL WIN THE GENERAL ELECTION HANDLELY. 23:42:38 SHE SAID WHY DO YOU THINK THAT? I SAID FOR SEVERAL REASONS, 23:42:43 FIRST OF ALL YOU HAVE TO START IN IOWA. 23:42:45 IT'S THE SINGLE MOST CHALLENGING STATE IN THE COUNTRY. 23:42:48 YOU WOULD BE BETTER OFF STARTING IN ILLINOIS. 23:42:51 YOU WOULD WIN EASILY AND SURPRISE EVERYBODY. 23:42:54 >> Rose: YOU PASSED UP THE IOWA CAUCUS. 23:42:57 I DID IT BECAUSE TOM HARKIN WAS THERE. 23:43:01 SENATOR EDWARDS HAS A WELL EARNED, HUGE CADRE OF SUPPORT IN 23:43:07 IOWA BECAUSE HE HAS WORKED IT FOR SEVEN LONG YEARS. 23:43:09 >> Rose: ESPECIALLY THE RURALS AREAS. 23:43:14 >> -- SERVE YEARS -- SEVEN YEARS. 23:43:18 SENATOR OBAMA IS NEXT DOOR. THAT MATTERS. 23:43:21 I KNOW I RAN BETTER IN MEMPHIS. >> Rose: YOU THINK THAT'S THE 23:43:24 REASON FOR THE POLLS? >> FIRST OF ALL ON EDWARDS IT'S 23:43:29 NO DOUBT. THEY HAVE CONFIDENCE IN HIM. 23:43:31 THEY KNOW HIM. HE HAS RUN FOR SEVEN YEARS AND 23:43:34 HE IS AN ATTRACTIVE MAN IN THE SAME WAY OBAMA IS. 23:43:39 >> Rose: EDWARDS SAID THE OTHER DAY IF HE WAS NOT IN THE 23:43:41 RACE MOST OF HIS PEOPLE WOULD BE SUPPORTING OBAMA. 23:43:45 >> MAYBE BUT YOU DON'T KNOW THAT. 23:43:47 HE'S -- I THINK LET ME FINISH. >> Rose: OKAY. 23:43:51 >> LET ME FINISH. SO, LOOK, I'VE DONE THIS BEFORE. 23:43:55 I'VE -- WHEN I LOST NEW HAMPSHIRE TO PAUL TONG TSONGAS, 23:44:04 THE LOST THE FIRST TEN MILES TO THE MASSACHUSETTS BORDER. 23:44:08 NO WOULD ADMIT THEY VOTED FOR ME OR AGAINST HIM. 23:44:12 I CAR IDEA EVERYTHING FROM TEN MILES NORTH UP TO THE CANADIAN 23:44:16 BORDER. I THINK THAT THAT CERTAINLY 23:44:20 DIDN'T HURT HIM. HE STARTED. 23:44:21 HE GOT A HEAD START THERE. THEN THERE ARE THOUSANDS OF 23:44:24 ILLINOIS STUDENTS IN IOWA COLLEGES. 23:44:28 THOSE PEOPLE HAVE NEVER EVER CAUCUSED BEFORE. 23:44:31 >> Rose: ARE YOU LOWERING EXPECTATIONS HERE IN THIS 23:44:34 CONVERSATION. >> NO, NO, NO. 23:44:37 I'M TELL YOU WHAT I TOLD HER UNTIL JANUARY. 23:44:41 YOU CAN'T ACCUSE ME OF LOWERING EXPECTATIONS BECAUSE I DISAGREE 23:44:47 WITH THE PRESS. I ALMOST ALWAYS DISAGREE WITH 23:44:50 THEM. HE HAS BEEN TO 75 COUNTIES. 23:44:54 SHE'S ABOUT TO 50, SOMETHING LIKE THAT. 23:44:56 I THINK ALL THE OTHER CANDIDATES RUNNING HAVE MISSED THREE TIMES 23:45:01 AS MANY SENATE VOTES AS SHE HAS. >> Rose: ARE YOU UNHAPPY. 23:45:06 >> YOU STARTED THIS SO LET ME FINISH. 23:45:09 [ LAUGHTER ] MY VIEW OF THIS IS I NEVER 23:45:12 THOUGHT SHE HAD A BIG LEAD IN REY AYE. 23:45:15 I NEVER -- IN IOWA. I NEVER THOUGHT SHE COULD HAVE 23:45:18 ONE. THE IOWA PEOPLE HAVE BEEN FAIR 23:45:20 TO HER. THEY'VE LISTENED TO HER. 23:45:23 THEY'VE GIVEN HER A CHANCE AND SHE MIGHT WIN THERE. 23:45:26 IT'S ASTONISHING BECAUSE FROM THE BEGINNING OF THIS RACE, SHE 23:45:29 HAD A LEAD IN 36 OF THE 38 STATES POLLED. 23:45:34 SHE WAS RUNNING GREAT IN ILLINOIS TO BE IN HIS STATE. 23:45:39 SHE WAS WINNING NORTH CAROLINA, BIG. 23:45:41 HUGE. AND SENATOR -- IN SENATOR 23:45:46 EDWARDS' STATE AND WINNING THE PRIMARIES AND NOT HAVING GOOD 23:45:50 LUCK. WHAT HAS REALLY HAPPENED? 23:45:52 WHAT I HAVE BEEN TRUSS FREIGHTED -- FRUSTRATED ABOUT 23:45:56 HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH HER CAMPAIGN. 23:45:59 IT IS THAT I BELIEVE THAT HER -- THAT THE CHALLENGES IN THE POLLS 23:46:02 IN THE MOMENT, I THINK WILL BOTH BE OVERCOME BY THE WAY. 23:46:07 AND I THINK I CAN FEEL IN IOWA WE'RE GETTING BACK TO -- DEPENDS 23:46:10 ON WHAT PEOPLE THINK THE QUESTION IS. 23:46:12 BUT IN NEW HAMPSHIRE THE BIGGEST PROBLEM THERE IS THAT THE 23:46:16 REPUBLICANS HAVE BEEN STEADILY ATTACKING HER FOR TWO REASONS IN 23:46:20 ALL THEIR DEBATES. THEY ADVERTISE AGAINST HER AND 23:46:23 DO ALL THIS STUFF. THERE ARE TWO REASONS FOR THIS. 23:46:26 ONE IS A LOT OF THE REPUBLICANS RUNNING DON'T HAVE PARTICULARLY 23:46:32 GOOD CREDENTIALS WITH THE FAR RIGHT AND THEY ARE IMPORTANT IN 23:46:35 THE PRIMARY PROCESS. THEY ARE TRYING TO MAKE UP THEIR 23:46:37 FOR LACK OF CREDENTIALS BY DUMPING ON HER. 23:46:43 ALMOST NO REPUBLICAN SENATORS HAVE CRITICIZED HER. 23:46:46 SHE DO THINGS WITH HER. THEY THINK SHE'S HONORABLE. 23:46:53 SENATOR LINDSEY GRAHAM, ONE OF MANAGERS OF MY IMPEACHMENT, 23:46:57 WROTE THE TRIBUTE TO HER WHEN "NEW YORK TIMES" TALKED ABOUT 23:47:02 THE BEST FIRST TERM SENATORS. THOSE ATTACKS EFFECT INDEPENDENT 23:47:08 VOTERS. THEY THINK YOU BECOME POLARIZING 23:47:11 WHEN SOMEONE ELSE ATTACKS YOU. SHE'S NOT IN A POSITION TO 23:47:15 ANSWER BACK WHAT THE REPUBLICANS ARE DOING IN THE PRIMARY, NOT 23:47:19 RIGHT NOW. I THINK THAT HAS HAD A -- YOU 23:47:22 KNOW IT'S NOT BEEN GOOD. THAT'S THE SECOND REASON THE 23:47:26 REMEMBERS ARE DOING IT. THEY THINK, I KNOW BECAUSE I 23:47:28 TALKED TO A LOT OF CANDIDATES. THEY THINK SHE WOULD BE THE 23:47:32 HARDEST TO BEAT BECAUSE SHE'S EMBEDDED AND SHE CONSISTENTLY 23:47:36 DOES BETTER WITH REPUBLICANS BECAUSE THEY GET TO KNOW HER AND 23:47:40 SHE WHAT SHE HAS DONE. THAT'S WHAT HAPPENING IN NEW 23:47:47 JERSEY. IN IOWA NOBODY WANTS TO GO 23:47:51 NEGATIVE ON TELL -- TELEVISION. IT HAS MORE TO DO WITH HOW THE 23:47:58 PRESS INTERPRETS IT THAN ANYTHING ELSE. 23:48:01 WHAT BROKE HER MEMENTUM -- MOMENTUM THERE WAS THE 23:48:05 EXTRAORDINARY ATTENTION GIVEN TO HER NOT VERY GREAT ANSWER ON THE 23:48:08 DRIVER'S LICENSE FOR ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS. 23:48:11 THE POINT IS THE PRESS SHOULD HAVE A COMMON SET OF STANDARDS 23:48:16 AND THERE SHOULD BE IN ATTEMPT TO GET BETWEEN THE VOTER AS 23:48:20 AS POLITICIANS. 23:48:22 LOOK HE'S GREAT. HE DOESN'T -- EDWARDS IS REALLY 23:48:24 GOOD. I'M TELLING YOUR 23:48:27 UNDERESTIMATING. >> Rose: AT NOT 23:48:29 UNDERESTIMATING. >> EDWARDS MIGHT WIN IN IOWA. 23:48:32 >> >> Rose: THAT'S WHAT I HEAR. 23:48:33 >> I THINK IT'S A MIRACLE THAT HILLARY HAS A CHANCE TO WIN. 23:48:37 SHE MIGHT WIN THIS THING. I'M NOT LOW BAWLING IT. 23:48:41 YOU CAN LOOK AT THE FACTS HERE. I THINK IT'S A MIRACLE BECAUSE 23:48:46 THE WAY THE THING HAS PLAYED OUT. 23:48:48 SHE'S SO GOOD IF SHE GETS BEFORE ENOUGH PEOPLE. 23:48:52 SHE WOULD BE THE BEST PRESIDENT. I DON'T I HAD IT'S CLOSE. 23:48:55 IF YOU BELIEVE THE PAST RECORD ASS AN AGENT OF POSITIVE CHANGE 23:48:58 IS A GOOD INDICATOR OF FUTURE PERFORMANCE, I DON'T THINK IT'S 23:49:02 CLOSE WHO WOULD BE MOST LIKELY TO DO THE MOST GOOD IN THE LEAST 23:49:09 AMOUNT OF TIME. >> Rose: WHEN PEOPLE SAY WE 23:49:12 DON'T NEED TO GO BACK TO THE 60'S OR THE 90'S I SAY I THINK A 23:49:16 LOT OF GOOD THINGS HAPPENED THEN. 23:49:18 >> THAT'S IRRELEVANT. LOOK AT THIS DECADE. 23:49:21 SHE'S BEEN A COMPLETELY MODERN SENATOR. 23:49:24 SHE HAS SPONSORED -- SHE JUST PASSED AS BILL WITH LINDSEY 23:49:32 GRAHAM, ONE OF IMPEACHMENT MANAGERS, TO EXTEND THE FAMILY 23:49:37 AND MEDICAL LEAVE LAW TO THE FAMILIES OF VETERANS SUFFERING 23:49:41 PHYSICAL OR EMOTIONAL TRAUMA IRAQ OR AFGHANISTAN. 23:49:45 THAT'S NOTHING TO GO DO WITH THE 1990'S. 23:49:49 THAT'S A SUPERFICIAL BIG I DONARY. 23:49:52 THAT'S LIKE AGEISM OR SOMETHING. IF YOU FOUGHT AND DID GOOD 23:49:57 THINGS WE HAVE TO GIFT YOU A FOLD WATCH AND TELL YOU GOODBYE. 23:50:03 >> Rose: WE'RE ALMOST OVER AND YOU NEED TO GO WHERE YOU NEED TO 23:50:08 GO. I'VE SAID THIS TO YOU BEFORE, 23:50:09 BECAUSE OF YOUR EIGHT YEARS OF EXPERIENCE, BECAUSE OF YOUR 23:50:12 EXPERIENCE AS A GOVERNOR AND BECAUSE YOU HAVE SPENT YOUR TIME 23:50:16 SINCE DOING GOOD BUT TRAVELING AROUND THE WORLD, SOMETIMES WITH 23:50:21 YOUR FRIENDS, PRESIDENT BUSH 41, TELL ME WHAT YOU WOULD PUT AS 23:50:27 THE TOP FIVE THINGS FOR THE NEXT PRESIDENT IF YOU WERE SLIDING A 23:50:31 LITTLE LETTER INTO THAT OVAL OFFICE DESK. 23:50:35 YOU CAN MAKE IT AS SHORT OR AS LONG AS YOU WANT FROM MY POINT. 23:50:39 >> WE HAVE TO RESTORE AMERICA'S STANDING IN THE WORLD. 23:50:41 WE HAVE TO SEND A SIGNAL THAT WE ARE BOOG TO GET BACK IN THE 23:50:45 COOPERATION BUSINESS. WE'RE GOING TO COOPERATION 23:50:48 WHEVER WE CAN, ACT ALONELY ONLY WHEN WE HAVE TO INCLUDING 23:50:54 DISCONTINUING OUR DIRECT MILITARY INVOLVEMENT IN IRAQ AS 23:50:58 QUICKLY AS WE CAN WITHOUT MAKING IT WORSE. 23:51:00 WE HAVE TO REGAIN OUR ECONOMIC MOMENTUM TO RESTORE THE MIDDLE 23:51:07 CLASS WHICH MEANS WE NEED MORE GOOD JOBS AND SIGNIFICANT 23:51:11 CHANGES IN OUR EDUCATION POLICY. WE HAVE TO -- FINALLY WE HAVE TO 23:51:14 PASS UNIVERSAL HEALTH CARE. WHAT WE'RE DOING IS COSTING US 23:51:17 TOO MUCH, DOING TOO LITTLE AND UNDERMINING OUR ECONOMIC 23:51:23 STABILITY. THE MORAL FABRIC OF OUR SOCIETY. 23:51:26 WE HAVE TO DO SOMETHING REALLY SIGNIFICANT ON ENERGY FOR 23:51:31 REASONS OF FASHIONAL SECURITY, GLOBAL WARMING AND MOST -- AND 23:51:37 OUR ECONOMIC WELL BEING. WE'VE GOT TO MOVE BACK TOWARD A 23:51:42 CLEAN, INDEPENDENT ENERGY FUTURE. 23:51:45 IT WILL CREATE MILLIONS OF JOBS AND PROMOTE MORE EQUALITY. 23:51:49 AND FINALLY WE NEED TO DO THIS IN A WAY THAT GIVES ALL 23:51:59 AMERICANS A CHANCE TO WORK TOGETHER ON IT. 23:52:01 ONE REASON I LIKE THIS WHOLE IDEA OF A CLEAN INDEPENDENT 23:52:07 ENERGY FUTURE IS IT'S INHERITL BEYOND POLITICS. 23:52:11 IT GIVES PEOPLE SOMETHING TO DO ACROSS POLITICAL LINES, RACIAL 23:52:15 LINES, INCOME LINES. IT WILL BENEFIT PEOPLE IN URBAN 23:52:19 AREAS, SUB YOU ARAN AREAS. -- SUB URBAN AREAS. 23:52:28 WE LIVE IN A WORLD WHERE PEOPLE WHO DON'T FEEL PART OF THE 23:52:33 COMMUNITY CAN DO AN ENORMOUS AMOUNT OF DAMAGE. 23:52:35 THE ONLY WAY TO OVERCOME OUR DIFFERENCES IS NOT BASICALLY TO 23:52:39 TRY TO RERACE THE PAST, IT'S TO -- ERASE THE PAST, IT'S TO 23:52:45 GET EASED TO WORKING TOGETHER. WE LOOK AT THE HILLARY ARGUMENT. 23:52:49 >> Rose: I WANT TO YOU FINISH. YOUR PEOPLE ARE PUSHING ME. 23:52:53 >> THE NEW LIEDERS OF NORTHERN IRELAND CAME TO WASHINGTON TO 23:52:56 SEE THE PRESIDENT. IT REPRESENTS A STUNNING CHANGE. 23:53:00 I THINK EVERYBODY WOULD ADMIT STUNNING CHANGE IN NORTHERN 23:53:03 IRELAND. >> 23:53:04 ROSE: IT'S UNBELIEVABLE. >> THEY ASKED TO SEE ANOTHER 23:53:07 PERSON. THEY ASKED TO SEE HILLARY 23:53:09 BECAUSE THEY PLAYED AN INDEPENDENT ROLE IN THEIR PEACE 23:53:13 PROCESS WHEN I WAS PRESIDENT. INDEPENDENT OF ME. 23:53:16 WHO WERE THE LEADERS, IAN PAISLEY AND MARTIN MCGINNIS ONE 23:53:23 OF THE TOUGHEST GUYS IN THE SINN FEIN. 23:53:26 THEY ARE THE LEADERS OF NORTHERN IRELAND. 23:53:29 THE NORTHERN IRISH DIDN'T THINK TO TURN THE PAGE THEY HAD TO 23:53:31 THREE OUT THE PEOPLE WHO HAD REPRESENTED THEIR RESPECTIVE 23:53:36 POINTS OF VIEW. THEY THOUGHT THEY WERE MORE 23:53:37 LIKELY THERE TO WORK TOGETHER TO EFFECT POSITIVE CHANGE BECAUSE 23:53:45 OF WHAT THEY'VE DONE IN THE PAST. 23:53:48 LET ME SAY AGAIN, I -- YOU CAN JUST TO GET A POLITICAL STORY 23:53:52 AND A FIGHT GOING, SOMEBODY WILL WATCH THIS EVERYTHING AND CUT 23:53:55 THIS PHRASE OR THAT PHRASE OUT. IT'S STUPID. 23:53:58 I LIKE ALL THESE DEMOCRATS. I WILL SUPPORT WHOEV GETS 23:54:03 NOMINATES. I THINK WE'RE FORTUNATE IN 23:54:06 HAVING PEOPLE WHO WANT TO TURN THE PAGE AND GO IN A NEW 23:54:10 DIRECTION. THE RELEVANT PORTION FOR ME IS 23:54:17 WHO IS GOING TO BE THE BEST PRESIDENT WITH A RECORD OF 23:54:20 CHANGING LIVES FOR OTHER PEOPLE. FOR ME THAT'S WHAT IT COMES 23:54:24 DOWN, TO. THEY DIDN'T FIND TWO NORTHERN 23:54:28 IRELAND GUYS ONE PROTESTANT AND ONE CATHOLIC. 23:54:32 EVEN THE MOST ELOQUENT AND MOST ATTRACTIVE ONE. 23:54:37 AMERICA MAY WANT TO MAKE A DIFFERENT DECISION. 23:54:39 IT DEPENDS ON WHAT YOU THINK, YOU THE VOTER, THE ANSWER WILL 23:54:47 DEPEND ON WHAT YOU THINK THE QUESTION IS. 23:54:49 ALL THIS STUFF THAT THERE'S SOMETHING WRONG WITH ONE OR THE 23:54:51 OTHER OF THEM. IT'S NOT TRUE. 23:54:54 NEAR AS I CAN TELL, ALL THESE PEOPLE ARE REALLY GOOD PEOPLE. 23:54:57 THEY ARE HONEST. THEY ARE ARTICULATE. 23:54:59 THEY ARE INTELLIGENT AND THERE'S A RACE HERE NOW BECAUSE OF FACTS 23:55:03 THAT HAVE STRELED. BUT IF HADN'T SOMEBODY ELSE 23:55:07 WOULD HAVE HAPPENED. THEY DO NOT GIVE THE PRESIDENCY 23:55:10 AWAY AND THAT'S A GOODHING. YOU OUGHT TO HAVE TO FIGHT FOR 23:55:13 IT. >> I THANK YOU FOR COMING. 23:55:15 >> YOU'RE WELCOME. >> Rose: YOU AND I HAVE NEVER 23:55:19 HAD A BAD CONVERSATION. THIS WAS A GOOD ONE. 23:55:22 >> Rose: HIS BOOK "GIVING" HOW EACH. 23:55:28 US CAN CHANGE THE WORLD. THIS ELECTION IS CHANGING THE 23:55:32 WORLD. I THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. 23:55:34 >> THANK YOU. >> Rose: THANK YOU FOR JOINING 23:55:37 US. SEE YOU NEXT TIME. 23:56:24 HE OWNS AN ITALIAN ROADSTER, A LE MANS RACER, 23:56:26 AND A BRITISH LIMOUSINE, AND YET, THE MOST VALUABLE CAR 23:56:28 IN HIS COLLECTION IS A 1968 BUS. 23:56:34 TODAY'S WEALTH NEEDS TODAY'S WEALTH MANAGEMENT.
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