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TVU 23 AHMAUD ARBERY MURDER TRIAL BRUNSWICK GA CAM 3 POOL 11112021 110000 [09:06:00] Good morning, everybody. Good morning. We've got the defendant's all represented by counsel and we are all let me just say before we get started, I do want to recognize how quiet it is in the rest of the courthouse. It is Veteran's Day indicated the jury yesterday that if any of them had someplace in particular, they needed to be to send me a note. I didn't get any notes out, but I don't think that is comment on how important the day is to many people, our veterans. Well, let me say it this way. Chatham County, Savannah is a is a military town. We've got significant base there. Connor and Stewart close by. [09:06:53][52.7] [09:06:53] I have a great deal of respect for veterans and what they have done in order to make even a process like this possible. And I do want to just take a moment to recognize the fact that it is Veterans Day, how important it is to this country, that we have members of our community who are willing to serve and who have served and have made sacrifices. So I just want to make sure that everybody is clear on where I stand. Normally, we would be closed, but was the case that we had before the court and all the various things that are going on and managing it, I just felt that we needed to keep moving forward to. So with that and I think from the state before we get started. [09:07:38][44.9] [09:07:39] No, Your Honor, just this morning's witness will be very English in a deposition. And I didn't know how the court wished to inform the jury that we were doing it that way. Mr. Comerio just needs to announce it that this is a deposition that was previously reported. The recording actually has the date on it from September. So they'll understand when it was actually recorded at the from the ForFour. [09:08:04][24.6] [09:08:06] I mean, I'm happy to let them know that it's the testimony presented by deposition and that testimony should be considered just as any other testimony in this case of assuming there's no objection to just at least explaining what we're doing in that way. No objection, Your Honor. No objection. No objection. But we do have another matter to bring up at the appropriate time. They may just a SC part,. [09:08:36][29.8] [99.2] [09:08:36] I guess, while we're on the topic, the transcript language, maybe what I'll also do is when I'm just explaining that we're going to do this deposition and it holds the same weight as testimony that there's also going to be to actually, your honor, having reviewed the number of 911 calls, if any seven transcripts or seven different 911 calls, and the state will tender those exhibits. The transcripts, for the record, prior to that, we have the stipulation that I was going to try to tender like 149 a 150 a I discussed this with the defense for the record. And then, of course, probably have you inform them there will be these transcripts that will go back to them. And I also I'm just thinking this through. So you're going to tender the transcripts before the video gets played or you plan to do it as the video. How are we doing. [09:09:39][62.8] [09:09:39] This for the New York? It's played because in order to make this sort of seamless Mr. Camera, you will stop it before the 911 calls play. They'll receive the transcripts and then we'll play it. Then we'll pick all the transcripts up. And that way they're already in the record prior to the deposition. And that satisfies the question. I guess my iPod was concerned. If we give them all the transcripts, they're going to be read ahead and it's going to be distracting. OK, I think I understand that you were just taping. And then as the day goes on, as these ones played, it's given to them back up. Seven transcripts, seven live now on. OK, OK, I understand that. Let me just walk through the language. I have that thing from Travis McMichael. [09:10:23][44.0] [09:10:25] From Great Buddy one housekeeping issue, Your Honor, your name plate is in a direct line where we have a little more trouble seeing any problem taking down my name plate. [09:10:37][12.2] [09:10:38] I'm fine without thank you. Stick it right there. You just put it right here. You're on it. I'm going to do a formal name change your petition. Thank you, Your Honor. And besides that, nothing from us. Michelle, the three. I think I'm had a correctly one issue. [09:11:06][28.3] [147.4] [09:11:06] We renew our objection for the record to proceeding on Veterans Day. In this case, we maintain that under the Establishment Clause, the United States Constitution, to any distinction under Yogya, one for one between sun and federal holidays, would be unconstitutional. In this context, we would note, as this court has noted, in the related context of compelling jurists to serve during covid compelling juries to serve. [09:11:34][27.7] [09:11:35] On this federal holiday, we would contend, is a violation of the jurors rights. Whether they have formally filed objections or not, we don't know whether they know. They can tell the court if they have an issue, like if they have day care, that it takes on a different kind of context. We maintain that it is illegal and insane that let me be clear, I'm not suggesting that this court doesn't value our veterans or value Veterans Day. We know how important that is to the court, but still preserving our objection. We. [09:12:04][29.3] [09:12:04] Contend that this is a non-issue, notwithstanding the 1888 Supreme Court case, that that would be contrary to that, that this is not a judicial day when court can conduct business. And more specifically, this is a federal holiday on which the court cannot compel jurors to appear and for jurors to serve, however willing, they might need to do that. That was one issue. I think the courts already addressed it, but I consider that the court feels compelled to address it again. I believe I've already addressed the OR here. [09:12:32][27.9] [09:12:34] We are indeed. The second issue is my understanding is we're going to be taking up a special secret statements or testimony later today. I may misunderstand. [09:12:46][12.1] [09:12:48] The deposition is four hours with breaks the state anticipates to 30 wrapping up very English and Officer Rasche would be the next witness. I do not believe you get beyond Officer Rasche today into special agency text. OK, I can provide the information to the court because the court's going to be listening to a deposition for four hours. The court's respectfully heard. I wanted to bring some matters to the court's attention. Anticipating secrets might testify tomorrow. You are there's an issue there with respect to the voluntariness of the statement made by Mr. Ryan statements and 511 and 513 offshore secrecy. Those were alluded to generally during to actually denote hearing this case. And much to my embarrassment, we did not follow up and actually file a brief on that subject. But I would like to apprize report of three cases that actually kind of object at this point time. Your Honor, we did have a Jackson dinner hearing on this matter. At that point in time, Mr. Goff was given a number of days to file his brief at the state to file their brief. In response to that. He is not ineffective because he and I spoke and he said, I'm not going to pursue this issue. And he didn't pursue this issue. And now in the midst of trial, he's bringing it up again. He's not an effective this is strategy. This is strategic and state objects to it because he did have his opportunity. We had an entire hearing and he abandoned this knowingly and intelligently as part of his strategy to bring it up. Now, of course, is additional strategy. And we ask that you not indulging in this at this time, if I may, your we are now in trial. It doesn't matter. [09:14:38][109.7] [09:14:39] What the court's ruling pretrial is on the voluntariness of defendant's statements because the. [09:14:45][6.3] [09:14:45] Jury independently during the trial. [09:14:48][2.9] [215.9] [09:14:49] Must determine whether those statements are voluntary or not. Mr. Brian is entitled as a matter of law to a charge on the on the admissibility of the statement that even if he did, I believe cocounsel is going to be insisting on that charge. I'm maybe presuming. But it's there's a pattern charge on this subject. So the issues out there serving the jury is going to be charged on. OK, so what I'm advising the court of is I think there are several cases that the court may wish to bear in mind as it relates to the examination of ancient secrets both by the state and by the defense in this case, which obviously is going to be somewhat different than what the courts heard before. And it's going to impact the court's rulings. So if I may indulge the court with three citations, I've never known the court not to want to hear law driven by strong United States Court of Appeals for the 10th Circuit 1993. [09:15:43][54.3] [09:15:46] Nine. [09:15:46][0.0] [09:15:47] Eight three F second one five four oh State V. Sanders, Supreme Court of New Mexico two thousand one twenty nine and AM seven twenty eight for thirteen P three D four six zero zero. [09:16:11][24.3] [09:16:13] Seven. Tieback I'm so sorry. State. [09:16:16][3.6] [09:16:17] V. Sanders s.A. And DRC Supreme Court of New Mexico. Two thousand one two nine capital in period capital and period seven to eight also reported at thirteen P is in Pacific thirteen point three D for six and zero. Last but not least a case. I'm sure the court is familiar with Arizona v. Fulminant Supreme Court of the United States for ninety nine U.S. to seven nine nineteen ninety. [09:16:52][35.1] [09:16:54] Whether. [09:16:54][0.0] [09:16:55] Third party threats by third parties are relevant for the jury's consideration as to the voluntariness of defendant statements is a legitimate issue that the court will have to address. We also have the question as to whether these are truly, entirely third party threats or whether the state, whether the Georgia Bureau of Investigation fan those flames on and prior to May 13th with their press releases, certainly the court might find a way to say that third party threats are somehow not relevant. But to the extent that the Georgia Bureau of Investigation fanned the flames in this case with press releases by former Cobb County District Attorney Ben Reynolds, that is there not necessarily third party threats to the extent that the Georgia Bureau of Investigation aided and abetted the media storm surrounding Mr. Roddie run prior to May 11th and prior to his statements on May 13th,. [09:17:53][58.6] [09:17:54] Brings up a related issue. And I just want to make sure it's clear on the record I found lots of Brady motions in this case. I just want to make it clear our contention is under Brady in Maryland that if there's any evidence in the possession of the state, that's not just a Cobb County district attorney's office. That includes the Georgia Bureau of Investigation, that includes the attorney general's office, that includes the governor's office. If there's any evidence out there that would suggest that the GBI played any role in fanning the media frenzy, fanning the flames in this case against Mr. Brian in the days of and before the statements given to him by him to Seacrest, then that is exculpatory information within the meaning of the due process clause of the Fifth Amendment, the United States Constitution and the court with about 14 and under Article one, section in paragraph one of the constitution of the state of Georgia. Whether Brady itself says that or not, we contend that it's a good faith extension, not only a Brady, but B Fifth Amendment authority upon which Brady is based. So we contend that all that information would be relevant and to be fair to the state. This is not the kind of issue that comes up every certainly before they begin their examination of the witnesses. I didn't want this to come up in the middle of it and have the jury settling into settling out throughout that statement. Third issue, polygraph results. The state filed a motion prior to trial to prohibit any reference of polygraph results or I think, by extension, the polygraph examination itself. [09:19:27][92.5] [09:19:27] . It was suggested at a prior hearing that the issue with respect to the admissibility Roddy statements was whether there was a quote unquote deal in this case. [09:19:41][13.6] [09:19:41] That he wouldn't be prosecuted. The problem is that when Agent Seacrest starts talking about what's going on behind the scenes. [09:19:50][8.5] [290.5] [09:19:52] Mr. [09:19:52][0.0] [09:19:52] Bryant passed a polygraph examination that that Agent Seacrest was notified on the morning of May 13th. And that informs a variety of issues in this case, including if the state to assert, as I believe they have in the past, that there was no change in Mr. Bryant's demeanor from the 11th to the 13th and his statements that would be explained by the fact that he had just provided a polygraph result, confirming both to the facts that we have elicited during the trial such that he was unarmed, such that he was not in communication with the McMichaels in the previous hearing. [09:20:32][39.7] [39.7] [09:20:32] I think that going back through the transcript this morning at 4:00 a.m., the court might not be aware that there was an issue with respect to the release of the polygraph results, which in this case, Mr. Brian had on May 13 and had media trucks all around and withheld that information for five or six days. Waiting for the GBI to release it. And I think that it's important that the court understand that background when we start getting into the examination of agent secrets, because if the state isn't careful, they're going to open up some doors that perhaps they didn't intend to. And I didn't want the court to feel like you were getting ambushed. Might not be the word for it, but surprise because the tenor of the examination of agency at trial could be substantially different than what took place in the Jackson v.. Here have nothing more from the state. I'm not sure there's a motion out there because we've already litigated the polygraph issue. It's for as these cases, I haven't had an opportunity to look at the cases. So I'm not sure I thought I'd give the state an opportunity that, yes, we were able to get the polygraph issue. The law is very firm on it. [09:21:49][77.6] [09:21:49] Polygraphs do not come in in the state of Georgia and they only come in if the defense in the state agree and the state does not agree with regard to Agent Seacrest. I believe Mr. Goff is talking about his threats by third parties and his complaint is that the GBI played any role in fanning the flames. So while those are convenient words, there isn't anything concrete there, meaning there's been no proffer that anyone from the GBI did anything. And I'm not sure what fanning the flames mean. What flames? What are we talking about? News media and news coverage, Mr. Brian. Statements. [09:22:43][53.1] [09:22:42] So once again, GBI, any role in fanning the flames is not a legal argument. And I don't even know what he's requesting for Brady versus Maryland, because as we all know, Mr. Goff was present when his client gave his statements. He was represented by counsel who was sitting right next to him during this entire interview. All the interviews with agency Seacrest, agency Seacrest have been in contact with Mr. Goff before, during and after all of these interviews. So this assertion that somehow Mr. Brian and his statements were his demeanor changed because of outside influences that have absolutely nothing to do with the state, nothing to do with Agent Seacrest and the fact that he's represented by counsel. This appears to be a very empty motion. And there's nothing really at this time that the state can respond to. The state also has not had a chance to look at these cases. Right. [09:23:49][67.0] [09:23:48] I, I asked that this be deferred and actually I don't even know what he's asking for, but I don't think there's anything I think this is more directory than anything else. Maybe it didn't come up in the context of the polygraph, but at some point I've got to think through this in the pretrial, then the motion practice pretrial, the issue of what was surrounding Mr. Ryan's statement had come up. Was that not in the polygraph or was I'm sorry, not in the discussion about the voluntariness of the statement that we're discussing? [09:24:30][42.1] [09:24:31] Correct. It was during the Jackson dinner here in New York area. [09:24:33][2.5] [09:24:35] There are just some additional cases, Larry. The reason I raise it is because we're under no obligation, obligation to put the state on notice of anything but we do with obligation as officers of the court to keep court advice as best we can. And I'm simply letting the court know that this issue during the trial could play out very differently. Than it did during the pretrial Jackson Vidino hearing. And I did want the court to be surprised. I was thinking we should go through this transcript. [09:25:08][32.5] [77.1] [09:25:08] George and Terence, it's me. I mean, if you could turn me down a little bit, OK? I've just incorporated the prefatory language about the deposition into the charge transcript. So what I'm going to let them know is at this time, you're going to watch a recorded deposition. This is proper evidence for you to consider during the deposition, some nine one one calls will be played. I'm going to allow you to have a transcript of the recordings and then I go into the charge self that I read yesterday. [09:28:12][183.9] [09:28:11] So I'll go ahead and address it that way. And there is also a. [09:28:16][4.6] [09:28:16] Stipulation that's going to come in prior to the deposition. And the only thing I'd like to make sure we hash out is that the stipulation is something we all agree are the accurate dates of those 911 calls. And I know when you tell the jury, if you hear anything different, it's up to you to decide between a transcript and what you're hearing. But we want the jury to know that what we what the accurate dates of those nine one one calls and the the videos, the security cam videos that will be played during the English deposition, the accurate dates are what is on the stipulation is the court may recall Mr. English was understandably very squishy, remembering the dates. And that's why we agreed on the stipulation. So I just don't want those two issues to morph. We join. So you're entering into a stipulation on the dates of the nine one one calls. Dates are clear in the stipulation that if you had never said yes, and we both signed it, it is going to be state's exhibit for eleven. [09:29:44][87.6] [92.2] [09:29:43] And I will hand you copy. It is the fourth part of the simulation there. I believe it's a joint where a court exhibit rather than just joint courts exhibit five, we're on the three oh three people with one seven three because three. So we're at this point, is this being tendered in the stipulation? Yes, I was going to read it to them this morning. I understand there's no objection. It's joins the joint stipulation. Kautz three is in your objection. No objection. OK, so they're going to be coming out. I understand. We'll announce the stipulation. I'll go ahead and give them the transcript charge and then also indicate that the parties are stipulating that the within the stipulation that these recordings occurred on certain dates and just remind them of what a stipulation is. OK, OK, great. [09:32:32][168.3] [09:32:15] OK, OK, great. OK, let's go get them. All right. Is your say good morning. All right. Welcome back, ladies and gentlemen. Everybody was back on a timely basis. We are ready to get started with the evidence in the case before we do so, I'm just going to explain a little bit of what we're going to be doing for the first part of the day. At this time, you are going to be watching a recorded deposition. [09:35:02][166.2] [09:35:02] This is proper evidence for you to consider. Now, during this deposition, some 911 calls will be played. You will be allowed to have a transcript of the recordings to help you identify speakers and as a guide to help you listen to the calls. If you believe at any point that the transcript says something different from what you hear in the recording, remember that it is the recording. That is the evidence. It is not the transcript at any time that there is a variation between the recording and the transcript, you must be guided solely by what you hear on the recording and not what you see in the transcript. I do ask as we do this that you not read my head in a transcript as we move through the recording itself. Now, there's going to be a stipulation which is going to be entered by the parties. And part of that stipulation is that the recordings occurred on certain dates. Again, a stipulation is an agreement between the parties as to some fact or fact, which you as the jury are bound to accept as facts during your deliberations. You may give whatever weight you wish to those facts. So with those instructions, I believe we're going to enter the stipulation. [09:36:19][77.5] [09:36:20] Yes, Ladies and gentlemen, this is courts exhibit three stipulation of the parties. The parties stipulate to the following evidence. Katelin Ngala of our CIC in Tennessee attempted to enhance the audio on the 911 one call made by Greg McMichael and attempted to enhance the audio on the cell phone video taken by William Brian without any noticeable results. Caitlin Ngala of RACC in Tennessee did enhance the cell phone video taken by William Brian and produced two exhibits. Both the state and the defendant stipulate to the authenticity and admission of State's Exhibit 129 containing the two digital files labeled Stabilized underscore IMG underscore five six one seven and stabilized. Underscore color safe levels underscore img underscore five six one. [09:37:36][75.8] [153.3] [09:37:36] The parties stipulate to the following evidence. Matthew Heath, digital forensic investigator with the Georgia Bureau of Investigation, produced the following exhibits per the request of the Georgia Bureau of Investigation team and provided these exhibits to GBI Special Agent Laurence Kelly State's Exhibit 314 folder of 1095 frame by frame photos of cell phone video taken by William Bryan State's exhibit 191 half speed video of the cell phone video taken by William Brian State's exhibits two to one to two to two to three and two to four contain four files that combine the videos from two twenty cities to drive one nineteen Satullo drive and two to four satellite drive that solely show Ahmad Aubrey's path on February twenty third twenty twenty. [09:38:52][76.3] [09:38:52] The parties stipulate that back up the state and the defense stipulate to the following dates for the videos provided to the Georgia Bureau of Investigation by Mr. Larry English. State's Exhibit 117 are the videos from two two zero Satullo Drive recorded on February 11th. Twenty twenty states exhibit one twenty videos from two to zero satellite drive recorded on February twenty third twenty twenty states Exhibit 121 to twenty Satellite Drive video recorded on October 25th of twenty nineteen states. Exhibit one to two to twenty satellite drive video recorded on November 17th. Twenty nineteen states exhibit one twenty three to twenty satellite drive video recorded on November 18th. [09:39:57][65.5] [09:39:57] Twenty nineteen states exhibit one twenty four to twenty satellite drive video recorded on December 17th twenty nineteen and then states exhibit 125 a 220 Satullo Drive video. This was emailed to Georgia Bureau of Investigation Special Agent Seacrest on May 22nd of twenty twenty. However, the date the video was taken is unknown. That completes the stipulation of the parties courts. Exhibit number three. Thank you. Thank you. Judge. [09:40:40][42.3] [09:40:39] In addition, at this time the state is going to tender into the balance in relationship to the nine one one calls that were tendered in last night with Cara Richardson State's Exhibit 149 a 150 a 153 a 154 A 155 A 157 A and 159 A, which are the transcripts that relate to those 911 calls. And they're being placed into the record. They will not go out for deliberations, but they are the transcripts that the jury will be able to review during the 911 calls. So they're placed in the record, is that correct, counsel? That's correct. Correct, yes. Yes. All right. Thank you, Judge. Sterilely with the deposition testimony. Yes, Your Honor. [09:41:39][59.8] [09:41:39] Let's just go ahead and make sure we're clear on who the witnesses and we before I started, if I may move my chair, because I'll be able to allow the witness in this case is Larry English. [09:41:53][14.8] [09:41:53] The deposition took place on September 24th of twenty twenty one during before because replaced to this witness program. He found a boy I behalf of the washing machine. Yes, sir. OK, I'm sorry to see where the money sparking real estate. You and I had a conversation before that. Correct. OK, I understand this one. Go ahead. And speak in your name. For the record, please let me be your it's your lucky ally. Thank you for being here today, sir. I'm do to talk a little bit about your background and we're going to talk a little bit about your property. Actually fell short when I talked about some of the relationships you may have with parties in that neighborhood. And we're also going to talk about some events that occurred back in 2019 and 2020 related to your property and some of your relationships. OK, OK. All right. So this way. I'm start with your background. So where do you what do you work with your occupation? [09:43:48][115.1] [09:43:48] If you have a job, what is your job? And what is your general occupation? Michael Moore was a contractor and the commercial beekeeper. How long you were a contractor, sir? I'm twenty one year old little boy. Fifteen years ago, And so where is your general residence where your family company began? Coffee. Can you and you have a secondary residence or working place here in. Yes, OK, where is that? What's the address that you've still got? Surviving children. Yes. And what are their ages? 13. And secondly. And remarried, sir. May yes. For how long? Five. How old are you taking this? [09:44:55][66.7] [09:44:55] Go ahead and talk about your property. He pointed to yours. There's that here in Green County. Yes. Thank you. Go ahead and tell me the background and how you came about. OK, this property. So three, four, five, four, five years ago, I was diagnosed six or seven years ago with incurable disease. [09:45:23][27.8] [94.4] [09:45:22] How so pervasive that attacks on your body and at times that of whites who have retired in the past? All my dreams and made a lot of get out of a place, a couple takes it down. You can be in love with each other. And my dream was to have a place on the water and being the fiction in general, we're making money. So we kept writing and we finally families make it like, oh, we go a a house. And the people we acquired a lot. And I heard a contractor down here to do a turnkey job. And the family we have got to drive. And we decided that I would try to finish it myself under some of the circumstances that were in that situation. So I started trying to finish it myself and for a long progression. But even during that time, I took advantage of a situation that gave me some setbacks and it prolonged. And we don't have to out of the way and ended up trying to, you know, keep an eye on things. What was going on. That's where you needed it. When it came to Vegas, came to see take care of about what you acquired. Oh, over five years. [09:46:56][93.3] [09:46:56] I'm not sure how. And 2019, can you describe the state of completion of your residence? In that year around 2019, going into 2008? Early 2009, I'm guessing somewhere along the way was just under the Foundation for not medicine framework. I'm not sure. OK, but I do want to put a picture of on the screen here, and this is a still shot there in roughly a year 2014. OK, I want you to look at it and tell me if this is the general state of completion of your of your house, you take Juraboev. Yeah. Mystery is what I have on the screen for you is taking one twenty six. Be able to see that. Yes. And can you tell us what that is? That's my home construction activity initiative. Yeah. And is that look as to the level of completion it was in February or early 2020, you take a look at and tell us it looked like the walls of the garage have been encapsulated in plywood since the day. I don't know what you're talking about, but since the day I'm on it, there's been more work done to it in this photo. In this photo. OK, what's the some of the difference that the plywood what about the garage doors? [09:48:42][106.1] [09:48:42] There's no there's no garage doors on the front. The two large, you know, walking home from work. And then it's similar to what it was in February 2013. For earlier that year, it looks pretty much the same. The difference is, if the walls have been planted on the inside of grass that separates the interior of the house next to the garage. OK, and what about the front yard? I think it's the same. OK, so that seems to be a true and accurate representation of your house maybe in May or roughly there in 2020. Yes. OK, you're out this time of the state center, stage one twenty six in the evidence. Objection. OK, it's a mystery which is this your appropriate to twenty sitilides drive is OK at any point during the construction of your your home. Did you have any sort of fencing around either the house with the property line itself. No. What about your neighbors? [09:49:57][75.5] [09:49:57] Did they have any fencing going on the fence on the right and the left side of the room say approximately the middle to the back of my to the back of the property. And if we're looking at this photograph, each one twenty six to the left or to the right of this photograph, the left and right. OK, I have to go back. All right. But nothing encapsulating the property itself. No, At any point until this photograph, did you ever have sounds like no trespassing signs or keep off the property or anything like that? Not. [09:50:42][44.6] [09:50:52] To this construction site at around this time. And before this, did it have any sort of plumbing or water source or electricity or anything like that? Yes. At this point, there was a temporary offset to the right of the body. And then at the back of the property, there is a dark horse that had a back there. Also part of that knocked down the door on the open for before you walk down to the. What about electricity? No, just a temporary service on the left corner of the property. [09:51:35][43.0] [87.6] [09:51:35] You can't see in this photo. And when you came to do work on this house, because you did say you took over the general contracting job of the house itself. Right around when you did that, it would been as a rooftop. That would have been a plywood stage on top of that, know, just to make sure. Well, to talk OK with that in 2019 or twenty that you started taking over roughly, how could you couldn't everything OK? And when you came down and work on it, where did you stay? [09:52:12][37.7] [09:52:12] I got a camper. I've had two campers in the back yard that can't say no services, but before you all constructed this this portion of the house for this level of construction, when you first bought the property, was it just a vacant lot? Pretty much what you see here is the draft law. They did not even claim and there was a there's an old dog there and the little small government building we had started went down to the fixed up. And do you know anything about the use of this law? From people in the neighborhood in the past? What I know about it, the neighbor on the right hand side, Brad, they had some kind of party once or twice a year, Christmas party or something of that nature. They would use it to park some of the overflow of their party guests. And then the neighbor came away with trying to remove the stuff of that nature there. And I think maybe the kids might play some good at some point after you purchase the property and started doing construction on it. Did you get worried about liability anyway, about people coming on and off their homes? [09:53:46][93.7] [09:53:46] We constructed a new dock and that was I don't remember exactly what stage to handle that at that. Probably in the earlier stages. Anyway, he contacted me. He mentioned that he thought he had seen the boy from across the street, maybe aerobically. And and I could certainly for a couple reasons, I mean, more or less for their safety rather than somebody stealing something out of the water, not go one time. Very often we appear to be very dangerous. So that know, got some cameras. But to kind of keep what type of cameras were these? They're called blink. They notify your cell phone. You remember roughly the year that you started putting these cameras up, not would it have been before 2020? Yes. [09:54:55][69.9] [09:54:54] But tell me about these cameras when they first started coming out, where did you first start? When I first started putting them down in the dock area, the best I can recall there might have been on the very back of the house. We had to use a campus location to put a module that made the cameras more and it would work for so many things. Why it focused on dock and making one at the rear of the house. I'm not 100 percent sure it was six days. You can one. The first day was on the dock and maybe three and a half. [09:55:35][40.5] [09:55:35] And when the cameras themselves looked hard wired to anything over a battery operated, how do they run their wireless with batteries? Do you know how often you had to change the batteries? About once a year. It depends on how much action you have movement as to how long the batteries last. And you said that the connection between the cameras and the model, I think you had mentioned it was he wanted to start with them closer to the module. So if they were further out, would they not connect to the module one? If you get too far away from the module, the camera can pick up the efficiency of these cameras or how well they worked. Did it get adjusted by time of day Internet usage or anything of that sort that you know, I repeat the question, please. How will the cameras work? Did it with a contingent on anything like Internet usage or streamed the Internet? Yes. OK, if if it was how you for a sometime they wouldn't process the fast at some point. Did these cameras go up anywhere else on the property if and where was that after we got the share of the completed. I had I have that you have to have 100 percent power source for mom. We got that structure in the house. Then I had a job trying to make the carbon trading department extend the temporary service home in the front yard. And from that temporary service program, Tanvi him to the side of it. And we got a what I call the hot spot that easily wildfire service. And we put the second set of cameras in and that was on the front of the house. And I had three people come in and we went inside the living room and inside garage. How many cameras in total did you have? I think the second package was a five package. So out of the first one, maybe three percent, sure. But on the House, I was still in the back to the front couple inside and we had to. Would you put out these cameras? Did you we were able to monitor your home? [09:58:28][173.4] [09:58:28] Yes. Pretty much all you. And and how would you be able to monitor the cameras when you were not physically on the property? Hey, I could look at it. I could pull up on a phone and I could actually look at it manually at any one time or even gave me a notification on the phone if activity was going on. Property. You got a notification and you and you and you looked at the phone. Was there any sort of recording that would start or how did the cameras capture any sort of footage going on at the house? To click on whatever it was that will notify me it the start. And there's a time sitting on these clips. I can't remember at that time, only like 60 seconds, I think. And depending on how many seconds. [09:59:28][60.3] [09:59:28] Yes, it was how long the cliff would show, but it all started from again when it was triggered until the time I know that you had to it. And then he was able to save those, maybe download those videos somewhere I never saw him or downloaded a kind, convoluted and I didn't realize. But at some point, once you get so many accumulated stock dropping off all this, like the news, at some point we were able to capture any surveillance or any clips from people walking around. Yes, And how were we able to do that? The first thing we had was in Douglas about 9:00 or so. And when I talk about show me in the middle of the night, that's the first time we went according to plan, OK? And. [10:00:18][49.2] [10:00:18] Those things get recorded to a like a cloud or an Internet server somewhere. You stay safe in the home. OK, so they got separated from you. But I can say anything safe until numerous ones were collected and then it was start dropping off in it. I was unaware of that to begin with. I just kind of kept walking Kingsborough. It drops off over after Goshi. You know, you had people working on your house during the day with these cameras get triggered or do you happen to be able to shut them off with people who work in? Tell me about that. I could turn them off manually from a remote location. A lot of times I would remember to do that. And a lot of times I would. Sometimes I would turn long off. And it may be too late for remember to turn them back on. [10:01:17][59.5] [108.8] [10:01:17] And, you know, some of these cameras during the daytime, any sort of traffic coming and going maybe in front of your house or around your house and like that, sometimes they will pick them up at street. That tried to position where the street traffic would drain. And at some point during the daytime, if you capture anybody coming in and out of your property. Yeah, tell me about that. I can't remember all the situations. I mean, a lot of the time when I see the subcontractor Shuvalov, I know what time it was and I told them all you got. Not very much data, but that I was concerned about. Sure. Give me some other examples besides the the subcontractors of people that would come in and off your property. Well, nothing standing in line with Mr. English. What are some other examples of people coming and going on your property? During the daytime when I was in St. Paul in the rift, it was about you. That's the one of the main things that popped the kids to kind of get up and say out of the corner of the camera that I was industry have bicycle ramp built out. And that's what they were doing it really alone. Now, glad to see kids doing something with plywood instead of on computer games. I never any problem with graphics and plywood pages in a place that I never bring to anybody's attention when we learned about it. Now, as far as other people, I can tell you I can't even remember people in the next town over the mission below ground and maybe the government walk his dog the other day. He would walk around my property, kind of look and check on him. That's going to be instances during the daytime that really I can remember that were significantly with somewhere that well, that's something it really popped into my mind. I mean, I'm not a bit more arrested, but it wasn't even reported in the mind. Yes, sir. There's my approach to this. You're not going to put up on the screen if you did it one point five. Now, you and I have a little meeting, maybe a month or so ago and we went over the. [10:03:55][157.9] [10:03:55] Surveillance videos, various surveillance video that you that you captured on your phone and turned over to the police. Is that right? Right. And one of these recordings that you might have had to subpoena from the camera system. Sure. To get them. You know, I'm sure I can even remember what I did. And again, I believe I understand you and I went over some videos, correct? Yes. OK, you and I went over some recordings of your 911 calls to the police that, OK, what I'm going to do is put up state exhibit 125. This is a video you and I went over in my room in my office was they called their English judge at this time state. They're saying 149 documented over the surveillance. [10:05:06][70.5] [10:05:07] Videos, various surveillance videos that you that you captured on your phone and turned over to the police. Is that right? Right. And one of these recordings that you might have had to subpoena from the camera system. Sure. To get them? You know, I'm sure I can remember what I did. And I believe I understand you and I went over some videos, correct? Yes. OK, you and I went over some recordings of your 911 calls to the police. That correct. OK, what I'm going to do is put up state exhibit 125. This is a video when I went over in my room in my office from where you recognize this video of what they say, he did it. Yes, that's the thing. [10:06:03][56.0] [284.4] [10:06:03] I was getting along OK. And where is this camera hanging from, sir? The format of my home. And. [10:06:12][9.7] [10:06:12] When we watch this play, the point is that this is an accurate representation of the surveillance video. From your house. You're asking me if this is correct? Yeah. Yes, it is. Judges, this time they tend to take exhibit 125 evidence, video V, I'm sorry, video clip a reasons previously stated objection. So there's no question about it. Did you say this was a clip any of these different 125 public record? I'm twenty one point five subsection. [10:07:14][61.3] [71.0] [10:07:14] Well, for the trial record, I just played state's exhibit one twenty five a resume in the deposition and the jury was requested. Yes, OK, that's true. And accurate representation in the clip that he feels as a yes. I'm going to put on the screen state's exhibit 175, subsection B, for the trial record. I played State's Exhibit one twenty five P during the deposition of twenty four. Twenty two. Is that also from your house? Yes. OK, thank you, children. But it was the same few children in our class and the children after the presentation of the surveillance video clip taken from your house. Yes, there is a microphone turned off. I think when I was in here first it so loud. I'm sorry. I'm turning my back to you. I wanted to see if you can hear me from here. That's OK. That's true. After representations. Yes, OK. [10:08:50][96.1] [10:08:50] I'm just saying offenders need to give a 145 subsection B if you have an An object, OK, to the. And so when you have these cameras around the construction site, did you have folks come on your property at nighttime? Yes. OK, our Mr English, I'm going to walk you through the various times that you called nine one one going in time that you may have seen surveillance corresponding to those particular calls. OK, OK. [10:10:23][93.9] [10:10:27] I'm going to start with October 25th of 2019. You remember making a 911 call on October 25th of 2019. Not by date. You'll remember the date. No. OK, do you remember me? I will call sometime around that time of year. I can know by not by date. All right. I'm going to play you to refresh your recollection a bit from that day. You remember. [10:11:00][32.6] [10:11:03] Making that call on that particular day. OK, OK. That's transcript one go. And the front. Could you go? No compassion, no doubt in his mind. Listen, during the phone call this morning, I know I am still under construction. I haven't been on street twice as drive. That's a serious problem. All right. I got a camera system there. Precisely. It's piece of code not recovered. You can hear sat down before you recognize that voice. Yes. OK, and you recognize this as one of the times that you call nine one one. Yes. I believe that's the first time. OK, I'm sorry. What's this is basically the point. Forty nine during this time. Stated tenderfeet computer one forty nine. Objection. Your objection. Don't get if you're going to play through pain. And I have a question for you after. All right. OK, I'm not no. To help the United Nations learn English. [10:13:56][173.3] [10:13:56] I'm calling from Georgia. I have I have a house that were under construction on two points of view drive. That's a serious problem. Right? I got to cancel the first press. So he's a coward guy. Got rid of her. You can hear he's tattooed on both arms and now he's over there of it around. I was on I was just not ready to send it to somebody else, check him out from the police. And yes, I have him. And yes, I think I mean, oh, yes, there English the foreign relations be. Which I have. No, I want you to know. Hey man, the were OK. He said black and patted down with arms and well he's real good lookin. Not really. Just kind of look at the way he looks like maybe drop him on drugs and he's wearing shorts and I think that's who he was looking like. Maybe Keisha go get a lot of tools and equipment in this area and look over also there. And you can stay in his own and down in the dark from and around and around the house. No, hey, you are not doing anything on the property is my nephew. [10:15:51][114.5] [10:15:51] Appreciate. Did you have any more fun? The game was only because the shooting was only in the backyard back. All the contractors and equipment and upon having them all down was OK. And he had a little pick up a week ago or not. But I called the neighbor next door, which is Lady Lady's next door, and I told them to go outside and try to check on the vehicle or a bicycle walking with maybe I should have never I never seen before, you know, that. And my how much time you saw him and how he called me. I mean, again, we're single all since we've been talking. It's got multiple pictures of orang. I mean, I have to figure how to get five minutes to change for leaves. Are you saying I'm just calling. [10:17:21][90.4] [10:17:21] Thank you very. The evening how many calls you gave me. It's just OK, thank you for you and your wife. Ma'am. Mr English, the person you saw in that video, you said he didn't know. Not OK. You never met him before? No, I never seen him before. The cameras that you have on your property, are you able to communicate with somebody who's on the property at that time? No, And deny that that person was on that camera. Was that the first time you saw him or did you see him prior night? That's the first time that I can recall. That's the very first time during that call you were you were clowning around. What do you mean by that? [10:19:08][107.2] [10:19:08] He was looking around and checking things out. Did you ever see that person take anything that I. No, Did you ever see anything in his hands, like a bag or flashlight? Or any sort of things on no, I. [10:19:42][34.3] [10:19:43] Think you said. But he may be doing drugs or drinking or was on something like that, correct? Yes. But you don't know you don't know him right now and you didn't know him that night. So you don't actually know if he was taking or using drugs. [10:20:01][18.1] [52.4] [10:20:01] Is that correct? What led to that is me and my wife looked at the video and when you come back up the ramp from the front window and runs with the back, it was a little green. But afterwards, you know, that was a spur of the moment. Calm. Sure. Afterwards, I get to thinking about immunity. They look like they're Blatche, but in reality, it's not for him for report and anything that could have been done or maybe he can't be on his way around rather than staggered. So that's definitely not a sure thing. You're sure it's look like he was maybe uneasy on his feet or something? If he was on easy on me on that right at the top of the ramp? I mean, that's the best I can remember kind of looking out of him a little bit. Initially it was but was pretty, you know, and that made me more concerned because it's dangerous, especially in that time, because they're not really around the and all that matters. And you're in a location where you not for me, it makes it even more than four. And you said the camera was only showing him in the back. You know why when that camera was able to pick him up and during Alexander, show you a video, a video clip from your surveillance camera. And this is exhibit one forty one fifty two point twenty one. At the video you and I was on the together shows. I'm going to have to the commentary that goes along the show, they go into some of these events. You need to refresh his recollection. Sure. The three of us. Do you recognize that part? Did you recognize it? Yes. And what is that? A clip. And it could be about forty three. Forty five second clip. And just what you were talking about, how he would only capture a certain amount of, you know. [10:22:45][164.0] [10:22:44] Yes. OK, And he is a short accurate representation of your camera. It wasn't him. It is a true and accurate representation of the clip. You can recall. Yes, it is time to move the tendency to give it one twenty one twenty one year old Gilday. For the record, I'm playing fifty one twenty one. [10:23:14][29.8] [10:23:23] Trial record. I'm saying the same exhibit through for the jury. That's going to be one twenty one point twenty one and one three. And you see the mouth moving on my frame. Yes. OK, I'm putting the mouse on what looks like a some piece of metal. Can you tell us what this is? That's a three foot wide aluminum walkway [10:24:44][81.7] [111.4] [10:24:44] It's pretty much identical to the way that the government had thought it would be OK with the debris to walk away going out and what direction is it going out? Looking up to the top of the screen. That's open to the very back to my property. And you that that's an identical piece that was going down to the bottom left part of the screen as well for it. And where is the the ram on the bottom left part of the screen lead to? It leads them to like a cross between the 20 foot floating on a floating. Yes. Are there any rails or anything keeping people falling off? They're no the river I'm putting the mouth on now. A dark object could be a black object on the middle of the screen. What is this look? What is it, sir? It's a black plastic tool box. What sort of box to box and what's inside of it? [10:25:44][59.8] [10:25:44] And how maybe some water hoses and pulling out of an maybe some of the time about we have made a fire extinguisher. You remember it all went down. This part that's going to be a table. It's a sort as a couple of chairs will Bogalay over the wing. What about this white box shape? And that's just a cheap call. I put my mouth on to the right side of the screen. Now, what if I my boat how many boats you have at that time? I think I had three or, you know, on this property. How many boats did you have down here at this time? And that time it's just that boat. There might have been a small boat out up in the war on the point of going out there. [10:26:39][54.8] [10:26:38] He's been tied that have been taken out multiple times. And refresh your recollection with anything, taking photographs with in any way you're interaction with this person on the dock? No, People one twenty one. Mr how long gone from this part of the dock onto your boat here. The bottom right corner of the screen. There's a man in the handrail and you can step out into the camera at one point that this is the boat and including the shoulders drop. You coming back up or back into the property at all. That right? Not that. I mean, you remember at all where he went after that. You know that I recall in mystery, as you call, not one based on him being there, correct? Yes. [10:28:44][125.6] [10:28:44] OK, and what did you want to happen to that person? I going to hopefully you would find him and talk to him. They became an operator. You didn't want a minor property, right? And you say this clipped your phone or was it saved your phone somewhere? It was probably saved for X amount of days. I mean, I don't know, maybe eventually it was sent to the cable company or something. I don't know. OK,. [10:29:28][44.0] [10:29:28] Do you remember speaking any police officers after the 911 call? And I will talk to you later. I can 100 percent remember who it was that certain. OK, and did you end up sending this claim to the police that I can either call extremism or put up on the screen? They exhibit one twenty two hundred, a.k.a.. OK, exhibit 122. They will start with and you recognize it for the record, we know that PD, if you recognize that this is the equivalent of the OK, what is it? You look at some of the black male and female came onto the property and in the not. And I want to play full for you for the trial record. [10:31:15][106.5] [10:31:15] I'm playing state's exhibit 122 A for the jurors. For the record, I think put one point of view and the jury, which is not true, accurate copy of the theory that your character could you think that had a true and accurate copy of the to your camera took that two and a half was not a true and accurate. Oh, yes, yes, yes. This time state whose defenders didn't give it 128. If we have to question, do we have a date for this one in 1790. Last name, how will you remember when Davis was taken. I may not. OK, do you remember roughly what time of year he was taken? No, but he is a clip from your video camera taken from your house. Is that correct? Yes. Yes. They moved to Tennessee. Twenty one point to you. Never. Nobody in degree or one house actually tried to beat Your Honor to another. [10:33:27][131.7] [10:33:26] You think he's going to be without you very hard? Yes. And I recognize that, sir. I can tell by the platform under. Yes, OK, I'm sure you're going to drown, but we're not playing very sneaky little ones on TV. For the trial record,. [10:34:00][34.0] [10:34:00] I have upstate's one to beat. I'll be playing it for the jurors resume, play the deposition Thursday. True and accurate copy of the clip that your surveillance cameras. Yes, You interview that they were hired. I know you were talking about a year or more now one and the evidence for objection. I look at it before the drama. You were recall three weeks ago. Do you remember calling the police when you saw that video? I think at the moment I'm pretty sure I did about play you a clip of it. I won't call it. I won't call that I. A fresh recollection. Yes. And record on PlayStation three. Hey, communications operator, I hear you. [10:36:46][165.5] [10:36:46] Yes. I need there of some on the property to police. And that's not the only way to drive. Yes. We also recognize that I think radiation is somewhere. Now, I can it. [10:37:02][16.1] [10:37:12] Just to be clear that this is the story. If it was employers as required, I mean, good morning, Brian. Since. [10:37:39][27.2] [10:37:40] We have handed these out, let's go ahead and get through this nine one one call and then we'll take a morning break. It should. [10:37:54][14.8] [10:37:55] Probably figure out what went wrong, what they know. My father, that refresh your recollection, if you call the police that night, that couple. Yes. You remember making that call? Yes, sir. Yes. Do you believe that to be true and accurate representation of reports, 911 call. Yes. This St. Louis placed at 103. Hey, they have OK, get to the areas we can play one video. We had so we can have it. We have answer and whether or not going to play 05. OK, and what's your name sir. In English. Here in English. Very well. Okay. I have a Aparo and they're in there now where the family members. Yes. And I can hear them all over the world. And I saw who was still that they can also they called back to where they're at right now. OK, all right. [10:39:28][93.0] [135.0] [10:39:28] Well, what did they fall off their home? And I didn't know you and I was playing over at, you know, that in my cafe. I don't know what I couldn't tell anyone. Black and and black and white. Exactly what was going on in there. And they all that he was a young lady in the neighborhood and he was a little bit short of, ah, as a result, he was the way he. No, not really. The he said no, it's nothing more. The weather in Germany, one zero zero zero four zero zero zero. And I was on construction. So the camera shows that anybody walks into the area, walking into the house and walking into the short of the fire. Is the garage raised up or something? And sometimes there is open water. There should be a lot of the girls the of here. [10:40:54][85.9] [10:40:54] And when it's a luxury house and especially the law as well as I mean and you don't know how to deal with it or not. I know how not to look at all of these things, but I can sure that that is it is. So I don't know if they wanted to straighten out or is it went on for a long time. I was out work for several hours and one time I was all right. But it hasn't happened in the back of the house. Or I can remember it probably wouldn't have happened out of a million years. I'm not sure. OK, we'll see. Like, you know, usually er any houses or you know, office. And the only problem is somebody who is a mile away, some of whom have no idea who I am. Because my husband. Well you have to be is somebody else. OK, so you can't I don't you mean how this is going to go on now over the phone. [10:42:22][88.5] [10:42:22] OK, so I don't come in and the laws are in the numbers right. It's somebody this is really. How's it going. OK. Oh I've had a lot of anxiety on a version of it. Is anything else happens. It was all that way and I knew and therefore it is simply the following morning by and biorefinery you will see that happening with this or anything like that. No, I'm not saying that they have a bag or something. You think they have to download here. They only know for sure. But I might add some CamelBak or something. I'm sure, as soon as possible. My first answer. OK, so people obviously are putting their children on the premises. Yeah, OK. I know we have a concern that you are well can actually learn about your. So I'm not so sure that it was OK to answer. I didn't actually have a be in this whole thing. I mean are you all right. And these are all right. Ladies in general, we can do as we collect these. We're going to go in and take a fifteen minute recess and continue on. If you could just make sure that you give the deputy your transcripts as you walk out. And again, do not discuss the case among yourselves during the break. We'll bring it back for continuation of the evidence. [10:44:12][109.4] [11:03:36] And. All right. I was waiting for Mr Buyer. We're back on. All the defendants are present, represented by counsel. Cherie, are you ready? Yes. Right. Let's go and get the pet. We were hoping for a minute or two to get back in here. Got about 20 this year. I mean, we're just playing the deposition and she was here for the deposition. We give her two minutes. [11:04:25][48.7] [11:04:25] Nowhere to show or no show. Right. It's good to get out. All right. For her, please say we got everybody back. All right. Welcome back, ladies and gentlemen. Please join this break. We are ready to get back into the the deposition testimony, Mr Cameron. [11:07:27][182.4] [11:07:28] Your Honor, for the record, we're resuming deposition at minute fifty five oh one three. If you remember multiple calls regarding this incident that I know if I play another clip, I mean, I will make that thing. Not to refresh your recollection and do not recall. [11:07:54][26.4] [208.8] [11:07:54] I think on eight hundred seventy four, which in my it is it's you. [11:08:12][17.7] [11:08:12] Want to handle that first. But. [11:08:56][44.4] [11:08:57] Some of the reasons I'm, you know, an officer there that I think the in the can in the article, you have to assume that I did not become single, that at the end the criteria and how it went down answer that it went of the bag and people from around the world, you know, and you have the French word somebody called back. [11:09:30][33.5] [95.5] [11:09:30] I think that yes, And everybody felt that he was going to be way. Yes. The defense. You have to think that there are 153 in the fashion. And we're saying, like always be aware of things that are going to be playing with 153 billion. I'm sorry. This is the one that I went down. I wanted to be the with that they of the others, not the one fifty four point fifty three, the number 154. The the objection. Objection noted. This is the second part. This is very valuable. Exhibit 154 that's out of the park. And I to get back to by the sea or the in the back here be under that. I made about an hour ago that was a male female and I know the person inside. So there were only one person down this way, maybe compared to the seal all the way from the big boat. [11:11:27][116.7] [11:11:26] He didn't say anything about the number, but they were worried about his life. And he will in for they threw it out and down in the for up on the right. I mean, I want to see him right now seeing that rain is really about. [11:12:02][35.6] [11:12:27] OK, we're. [11:13:33][65.8] [11:13:34] Making the call that say no, no, I told you before the third call that I would refresh your recollection of my wedding. You know, call that I could work around the place 155. Yes, around it is where he was coming of the run from. The premises forward is still around. They had the option of leaving the house and then you probably run away or I'm not coming back. And, you know, maybe hope is. And that's important. Yes. They would entertain the people wanted by the location and the 155 Israelis. Have a few questions about those 911 calls. And I think you said during that call that you had some stuff stolen about a week and a half ago. To two weeks ago. You remember what you were referring to? Yes, it was a year ago. We were in the back of the boat and we decided that. And you said it for people. Yes, I do feel that I used to be around the house. OK, you you know roughly what all that cost with the value of that money that there was a hand-held microphone, the station back in the night and station near, I think you might have records that they said maybe they had taken it and they're coming back. You know, if it was, then they took it. OK, and you know, exactly when that stuff was stolen, you know, you said roughly a week and a half ago in that no one call said roughly a week and a half ago that when it was stolen or maybe when you know someone, that's when I was of it, as we were aware of the missing. OK, where were you when you became aware of that and stuff that was missing? I wasn't aware of looking at where they in the driver half of the room, which we normally get through the floor. They had to get through. I was up there inspecting where they could run through the wall over the warrantless wiretapping I'm concerned about. And I went down back. I know which ones are out there at home. And I think basket the milk basket inside of them and all of that. And that's when I got invited. And there was some other stuff in. And that was when you were at twenty to tell the driver that you noticed. Yes. Now, was that iPhone at that property for a continuous amount of time or did you move that ball to and from another location? It had been moved back in to the storm multiple times, two, three times. Was. [11:17:36][242.6] [11:17:36] It ever locked up in a closed garage whenever you moved to a separate location? No, Is there any other locations where you believe those items that were taken from the boat could have been taken after the studying? My first assumption was I can't figure out if I can see that the founder of the company and confirm that any of these couple back in the mail. Then before he said he didn't know that. [11:18:23][46.8] [390.9] [11:18:23] I can rule that out. And I think it can happen in Dallas because we had it in a large parking lot where we were staying in my room was he had his business, had a place, a brother to me. And we were standing there outside and they had some street lamps, but it was not in my head, but part it was kind of dark in one night when the sun coming in about 9:00 or so we saw and the baby was born. And I didn't pay at the end of September 16. And maybe that could have got because there was no houses in the neighborhood, the commercial district there, premium houses that had to be go back and things. I thought maybe I had the same away that I already the FDA got. And I found that I had. Did. [11:19:22][59.2] [11:19:23] You ever make a full police report about that night and why not? Well, I did break a hundred percent, over half of that. [11:19:32][9.7] [68.9] [11:19:32] I didn't make a for a police report or I didn't know I tried to collect on my insurance. I don't know. You remember me telling police officers about this incident? Yes. You know, I'm sure, you know, I've been to. But you remember talking to some police officer about it. Yes. And while I was driving back on and I was now recollection, Ed freaked out, I can still walk in and I can see the power around. I can see him walking around in the back yard with a flashlight, looking to the right or the left side of the house. [11:20:19][46.6] [11:20:18] And I was thinking maybe they was inside the house and then he stopped. And I think maybe that's what happened about in one of those clips that we had of you look like you were moving across the yard somewhere, even if it you're not from what you could see in of that place. So full of I see him walking away, I guess they got the car. And then later you can see from the far right corner of the car, you can hear crank and you can hear the to go back up on the screen. One twenty three. You know, they have that straight. It's not going up. Yeah. Not nonmarket or whatever it is you're pushing and shoving things like that. It sure. Because they're English. Putting out a second clip of what the deposition part two edited to see. Yes. Good. We have got a one three one five. I'm going to play that for the record. Part of it tentatively up in the top of the mouth of the top left hand side of it. Yeah, yeah. You know, the structure of the microstructure, I'm guessing maybe the five. I'm not sure about this right here. Looks like the car, the middle of and the light colored version that I put in the air on the top of the screen. That's a straight line straight. OK, and what about the driver? [11:23:02][163.6] [11:23:02] That's the way to pick up from what it describes is right here. When I was a powerful winds, the temperature was right and I put my hair on to dark shadows, the top of the screen. And what about the smaller down the street? That's a the of there's four of them. The reason why the world was never felt sorry stuff, but the mystery, which is there are multiple mailboxes on your property. Yes. When I was a neighbor across the street, Mr Wade and I went right next to the for this moment, there's a real neighbor down the street that has never seen before. It makes it more convenient from a perspective. OK, so how many of the properties are are set up on that street to have one property with multiple mailboxes? But a lot stay vacant so long I they can make it easier for you. OK, but this house this is about as far as get in terms of visual from your camera into the street. That right. Yes. It's you cannot go back for a second to talk about you, the general contractor. Is it common with a common in your experience as a general contractor to have people come in and out of the construction site? Yes, and in your experience, did you ever see that? Did you have them for anything like that? Briefly during the day? And these people that would come in and out with a property owners and just people walking through the street or someone people in the neighborhood not write down about balcony, we can get food, check out the progress. [11:25:59][177.2] [11:25:59] Sometimes you can have a potential home builder. I mean, prospect a little bit of new home come to check the quality of the contractor around. So that was the normal course of business. When you're building a structure for homes, for people different the the question and that the was it normal for people to come in and out of sight is parties during this. I'm going to play for you another. We're going to with it more times as you call the police, other than the one we just played for you, there could be I'm not sure I'm going to play for you 157. You could tell me if you recognize what you may be. OK, OK, Oh, [11:28:30][151.4] [11:28:28] Have to mediation if I think this is a very good reason to drive out. Last night, and there's somebody back out there in the night, I'm just out of surprised. And he said he's not going to be me from. He said it's just too hard to tell dad. You recognize your voice. Yeah. 157. Yes. And we got to be the number one call. If you made this of 157. Everybody know Jesse Jackson, me, the Reverend 847 Rutherford. Yes. I said he'll drive and and I'm a black male. You're not married. You're got that to go in and of and you lost your child shares my concerns. Look at the parking lot. As you can see, the parking lot. So doors and attitude, we finally got a little bit if we have to keep everything he's wanted around here, we're looking in the the your property. [11:30:31][123.2] [11:30:30] And this year get my guess is I have a situation with some guy. We have to go. He's only about three percent have every night. And the officer that goes down is if you give him a man beginning, how long have you up to date? 05. To get him into science and technology? Are you having him this issue as well? If he was able last night, you know, last night and. [11:31:21][51.3] [11:31:21] I an officer, I was there a video of it and presumably of the same guy also that he does not do the same. The video or do you have some activity here? I just found that in to bring that he can do that kind of thing. Him and the end of the day is I wanted to draw. Yes. Represent very interesting. And that's why we're very to be here any time and again. And you just keep doing what us who doing an outstanding job with you and surrounded companies that worked for me. I'm sure they're responding to the disaster in the second year. They come in the certain private. I know you haven't changed your opinion, Derek. I right, sir. Thank you so much at all. [11:33:07][105.5] [11:33:07] I believe the FDA had needed help. Me and my son, my associates are helping in for you. Right. All I thank you for your wisdom because you obviously made a 911 call that night because you saw somebody in your problem, is that right? Yes. OK, you remember, I think in the 911 call, you said you said the clips off the towers. I did what you said. You said the clip to opposition. And I was doing that. Yes. OK, no bells ringing one twenty three. And tell me if you recognize what the professor is. One forty three there are going to put that on screen for you now. Peter, you recognize we're twenty three. Yes. OK, and what is this. A clip of is a clip of the gentleman walking around in my garage and that seem to be the correct copy. I, I just used to play one point created the Reverend Jesse Jackson, the. Is there any other play. One 23A. OK, ok. I'm going to work for a few things on the screen. [11:35:48][161.5] [11:35:48] Me, they are plywood and puppetland on the floor. And what is this, a picture of a piece of plywood. And I to put my mouth until right hand corner. One point really. What do you do if I have one that's much more about on Finacle. You mentioned they've been taken out of a bowl. Is this the bowl that you were talking about? They said it's not about injuries. I'm going to put on the three one twenty three and one twenty three. You recognize that this is. Yes. And it's a slightly different approach in the back of the boat. And this is a clip from your surveillance camera in your house. Yes. In the construction site. Yes. It did seem to be an accurate copy of it. Yes. At this time, Steve. One twenty three and every I'm on the locate the. If you're doing this, I'm going to play one point with the picture is we were able to see more of what happened that night with this person on this morning was captured in those few seconds of this is what you saw on your screen. Let me ask you, do you remember seeing this clip? Do you remember seeing this? Yes. Yes. How did you see it? I think it is not a one call. You said you were on the road. OK, how would you have seen this clip on your phone? OK, do you remember anything being taken from your house that out of this clip of did you ever see this gentleman with anything in his hands? No. OK, were on his person. No. In the nine one one clip that we played, you said it looks like he was up to no good. You know, you remember why you said that. And in that same clip, you said that he was on about three different people's cameras. Do you remember how you got that information? I don't remember making an accusation. I'm sorry. In the course of your time down at the. Sure. Do you ever remember looking at any other neighbors, surveillance cameras? Repeat question, please, during your time is to tell the source that that you own the property. You ever remember looking at other neighbors, surveillance camera footage, footage, you know? Well, there's instance the first time coming in on the right, the best I remember about it, dream it it showed that he was supposed to have had some good stolen out of the truck and it showed me the major parked across the road coming over. But he had his own lady and supposedly stealing I was truck. That's the only footage I saw. And I don't remember where we were. I saw the footage and I you know, I'm OK. He said they come in a car in the parking lot of the car. And on this night, did this person ever cause any damage to property? Was there anything that you've seen and you never spoke to this person that night, right? No, Did you ever tell this person anything about whether you can come? No one is on your property. No. [11:41:05][316.8] [11:41:05] You know, if the police ever found that night, I don't think they did is doing I want to put on this gurney. Let me ask you if you ever remember making any additional. I called my if I play an individual card, you need to refresh your recollection from me. I'm going to put on three phases. One fifty. I want to listen to what he told me to refresh your recollection. I should have been paying his. Didn't want to tell. He said, where did you go? I was some alternative rock in the middle of my sandwich and I thought the officer actions to different officers. I did not examine because I didn't want to let you go, sir. Yes, OK. And you remember what told this about. Yes, OK. What was it about? Was down after the incident. The white male and female was in the House. And I live my property to go to Brunswick and I saw a call for a ban placed to the bridge and it stayed there. It was still there. When I came back from Brown looking, it was contemplating going past, you know, how suspicious about me thinking maybe it was the couple that had went in the house and maybe they stayed on the bridge. They would scream or that someone had been staying on the bridge. And that seemed to be an accurate copy of the 911 call. You made that in the response to the six month 911. No, no, no. Of OK. And then you to play it 159. We are right coming from the Navy after three minutes it worked three time. And if I need a doctor to come over and check out for one moment celebrities. Yes. Environmental activists, viral shows off the field. Yes. Yes. Free from severe drought and then good how bad it is. I would say the same goes before the crop. [11:45:15][250.8] [11:45:18] You have decided to run it for three. Does that mean that you are going to be in fact, they've been trying to make some people might be somebody gluten free for free for any boy. And I don't know what Salvadori is on someone side to someone for everybody. [11:45:43][25.3] [276.2] [11:45:43] If I'm on both sides, not I mean, for everybody. If I'm on both sides, not I mean, for over time and was stunned. Our love. You hear the words, you have my words. And what do you go through before you read you you can't do that. So to your words and in that little progress area. USA, USA, USA, USA, report. OK, give me something that I can sometimes see outside the city is the source of the confusion from the. So be able to go down a little of that since there was no way to get to the bridge. But the Marine Corps is than where you are and it's a really nice facility instead of yours. The Canyon is trying to tell, you know, when it comes to issues that is alert for all that, wait for that call for free and then the care of the family has to be the vehicle rather than focusing on it from the inside of the class individual who can actually look at it and say, oh, get that right away. You talk about the bridge in the bridge. Yes, ma'am. It was the video we were going to go play and they were looking at party I, I like out of school, but our friends are also very little. You have a little bit of can I have a cell phone? And then we close later. I can for at the time. [11:48:32][169.5] [11:48:31] So but I see now a week or so later they have to come back and steal. Still. Is I easy to saraceno the one of that on a couple of people, you know where very need to be that one going to be my family or friends and it's all for being in the home for you. So they have a lot of things. I'll leave it. I'm not here to send them to. So and there's already a downside to how we can go inside and wasn't involved in the media. So there you are. [11:48:31][0.0] [11:49:31] So the why I left, I was beginning to leave my house, been hanging around the public option, but citizens of the United States visited with the local PD to see what the people of you know, I can go all the way down, came into this house for three hours. It had to be on the site. And I was surrounded with aggravated, like the I was in my life that you're going on. [11:50:55][84.1] [11:50:55] I bet you miss it. You know, there were. [11:51:04][9.8] [11:51:44] Those people over the invasion and the is very kind where maybe you saw something on the surveillance camera where you didn't call 911 at all. They could have been kind of you remember sometimes. But do you remember I recall that maybe neighbors where the police directly rather than the 911 call for action on the rig and he came to me, First Sergeant first. Right. [11:52:46][62.2] [72.1] [11:52:46] And what about the neighbors? I think my problem is the taking away the moment the I said somebody was there and he told me his girlfriend was about to say that that's OK. One point for and replied plenty more discreetly, maybe in the background I put out one more day and I want to tell you about it. I yes, I remember. All right. Well, you going to go down the and OK, And you remember you called out that night I I'm going. You seem to be an accurate copy. Did it seem to be an accurate copy of the clip from your surveillance? You know, if I have the word for a no. Well, you know, the one a restricted room in the middle of the camera. And I didn't know anybody or anything with a line like in your house in this construction site. And I there's my mind. You have a few sources of very small light and you can still see the camera. If the camera straight from inside the house, you might see a car getting out of hand. As you can see my house on the middle of the screen. What am I circling? They want me to come back. I so I waited this long and not. Oh, a couple. Yeah. This all from and it would really be it would come out. What if that's a wall then. I think walls are very flat. Page so I'll have to take you at any time with anything I'm taking from that structure now because I felt I don't know if you thought about all the three of the three point twenty four we can tell you right now. Yes. And what are we looking at one point before we move forward? You walking out of the door? It seems to be the same, not connected with that same night. And you seem to be true. You would have had very good coffee landslip know. As I said before we get in the on the left side of one point, being in my mouth is more like a dark long face. With that, as are they both your eyes and our people around. Yes. OK, the bottom of the screen. What was going on here? You here with the the. Yes. And what is this room here? The right. I said no because we are here in the right area. I thought I know at this point no party closed me away from front of that. [11:58:36][349.8] [11:58:36] I could have had a problem with that. And how used to work at this time? I don't remember. I don't think so. If you to put up one twenty for the number you recognize. Yes. Yes. And what are we looking at. Twenty for the young lady in the house and jogging down the street and it's a it is the front of your house for you. When you hear of that where they are, that is what is in the garage and that's the part of the garage. The chemistry in the garage is not true and accurate. Clear. Yes. But your house. Yes. Responsible for twenty point four feet and no action. No time to play one twenty four feet. You will find something big and if you you know what the matter is during the time of this play, now and you see this report now in the video. Yes. It looks like something to drink all day. A house with a boy. You can really get off of your house. That section, I'm not sure. I am not sure if he got an iPad on this particular day of speculation. Booligal Oh, one thirty. Probably if I were put on the front page, 170 and is one of the things we can in the for of. Yeah, And have you read my brother did not see inside my own kitchen. That seemed to be an accurate copy of the human. Yes. We found thirty five point seventeen. You know, the act in the the word 178 of it is very much where my arrow is. Forty over the top of the screen. What is this light coming from? The wages of your history and what is the frontier again? How was was imagery was anything taken from that that, you know? [12:04:54][378.3] [12:03:34] and what is the frontier again? How was was imagery was anything taken from that that, you know? No, damage, no. At this point, have you had an opportunity yet? Thank you for everything. Ready to go. Okay. Yeah, but it has to be better here. Now you have invaluable this person that we've seen so far on his left that you have a chance to tell him anything, not give information or not permission to be there. No, I'm sorry. They won't play the recorder five seven. Let them distribute that rather than we send. But I will put on screen. You remember sending that floating by now, sir? I don't remember. But I am coming into play here. But when a very hard and then you will save some time. I don't mind that you say that all of the money is intended when we are authentic. It is the IS system. Just get this over and over to the then I do that Your Honor, since they really the authentic or what do you bring the better part of the problem, Mr. Bush? It is clear at one point, hey, you recognize what is between on in the street and is a view of the Brown family on your property? Yes. And it seems to me that they can't live life, but. Correct. Yes. And you remember the multiple clips from the same time frame from different angles, different cameras in your house. And I don't remember any. OK, on one more would be if you negative an I remember. Yes. Had multiple angles taken from that day I guess. Yes. No one and everybody associated with it every right now they are there, although everyone knows that you are the right guy. But I want to be so. And in fact your mother. Yes, we're married for a while. When what is a picture. A car garage and on the left side of the garage. And it is located in the middle of the night time that we saw before the next general. One point me [12:11:03][448.3] [12:11:03] front of 100, 120, they say, or do we see the same item in the town started by eight hundred and nine times? It is like you and your knowledge. Anything ever been taken out of this or have. No everything. And you remember, if you call the police this day, they have put out I mean, OK, do you remember the day that is taking place. Right. I think is the day that we got shot. OK, you remember you called a neighbors that day. I need to remember we called I called here them. OK, After the shooting had taking place, this was at some point. Did you send you see a variety of security slips today? That correct? Yes. OK, at some point, did you ever send these to your lawyer? My lawyer, your lawyer? Yes. I could have. You don't remember. OK, and who is your lawyer? Right. OK, you remember whether your family had said he could see to this great grand mufti? I know I have not seen him. OK, but you remember her taking this from you, is that correct? Yes. For sure. But this witness directly, did you ever say anything close to a real lawyer? Not that I remember. Did your security cameras, but you we captured the day. And how did things occur in the first place? Mr. do you. Security cameras captured the day and time when they're recording you. Yes. And do. [12:14:12][188.9] [12:14:12] You remember looking at the date and time on these clips when you were recording them or sending them to officers of, you know, the time was accurate. And yes, I would be allowed to answer on Sunday, today, tomorrow night, recorded [12:14:30][18.5] [207.4] [12:14:27] that mystery this afternoon to talk to you about some of the relationships of people in your neighborhood that you may have. OK, do you know a person by the name of Diego Perez? I know every person I ever met in person. How do you remember Mr. Perez? How did you first come in contact with the best of all the neighborhood? They found out about some of these situations and instances. And I want to think that you are going to reach out to me. I want to find opportunities everyday. The problem, it seems I am probably not what they're doing with our yard and they have already find us. But it was offensive. Could his profile the opportunity to go over there and check it out? I made and see you communicate with the neighborhood through text messages, is that correct? I don't remember texting very much. I don't know if I ever take you making a phone call and say, OK. And the day that I called him, I mean, he won't say a word. I don't know. I mean, the first time I called over and. [12:17:38][191.3] [12:17:39] You give Mr. Perez permission to go on your property to check things out on time. If you remember showing some of these, be close by walking around of your house to neighbors. I don't know. I don't remember showing my I could have, obviously, and I don't remember different. And you look at it, you have to place to tell Mr. Perez is you that you have the right to let you know how many houses are in my house. And the and that house is when you came. I can can wait here. Your person by the name of Matt Hellbender. I think I know the last name I know you know about. Yes. But you remember whether you ever show some of the events that often made Michael come back. He's pointing out of the of the people that have to go up there that even got rejected to ride around town. It might make them a better company. And I showed that. Yes, sir. And you remember a personality of Romulus singer John Olsen is going across the street, I don't know, the last nine o'clock in the morning across the street from you. Yes, OK. And you know that. Yes. Yeah. By the way, they walked over also. I was quiet but very cheerful. And he was directly across the street. Yes. But did you personally put any of these surveillance videos on social media? No. But do you know a person by the name of traffic, Michael? Yeah, right. And how do you know that [12:20:08][149.4] [340.7] [12:20:02] name of traffic, Michael? Yeah, right. And how do you know that person? Travis is the secretary started and I had no in construction. I was down there. The big margin, Ukraine on the way to the building. And I'll send by with you with a small boy come up to where the jobs are with that. And we spoke for fifteen minutes or so without your really only interaction with Mr. Michael Johnson. Michael. Yes, dear. Mr. Drivethrough. Michael, did you baby I how many how bad it is. I mean, I know how some real facts about drugs, but I think I mean, how you with that it will affect you, right? We look in the fields away will out on the other side of me. I can go past the you know what sort of vehicle Mr. Johnson. Michael drove all the way around me. I'm all right. All right. All great. Great about services. Joe knows for sure. Yes. Your personality, the great revival. Yes. And how do you know that person? Greg came to my house, my elder brother, my and we said we have a conversation. Even if we had started talking, his wife came up and he introduced her. And we we talked for simple we talked about. Yes, small of. That's the first time that I had ever met Mr.. Do you have any other interactions with Mr.. With Michael and tell me about that. I know that after the you and your program and how he approached me that day and we was talking and some of it was talking about what had happened and he made a comment in which people wouldn't be talking about it on social media at that point. Had you talked to me at all, you think I had one, maybe two, but no, sir. But I had my. OK, did you hear of TV interviews or audio interviews? I did. I don't I don't envy you. I'm not sure if the interview had been done that at some point. Have you given a TV interview by. Yes. And who was that on CNN called on CNN. If you remember any other TV stations, I don't know, say your actual background and I'm not sure you said that I would have interviewed and gave be your to do that, but I don't know exactly what you. Yes, sir. You said I was Jacksboro. I think so. OK, and you said there was a VCR. Yes. That is inappropriate. It was that wasn't a do over primary. At any point during your interaction with Michaels, did you ever give them permission to go on your property? Express permission? No. Did you ever tell them we could go? No. Did you ever personally tell Revival's about the prior incidents at your house? I'm not sure that during the course of your conversation with a police officer officer that responded to your house over the course of the time. Did you call 911 or did you ever tell any of those police officers whether anybody took anything from your house? Now that I'm said, when you heard that somebody had been shot near your property, it was at some point you learned that somebody had been shot near your property, if you remember that. And yes. Do you remember what you were doing that day? I was in the middle of working. I am working there. I mean, maybe that was working. OK, but do you remember ever calling the police about any incident of, you know, do you remember talking to neighbors about it that. Yes. And with me, an but at some point did you check your surveillance camera and hear about that? And yes, And you see the natural part of the play at the last. And you remember immediately those clips in my mind. Do you remember receiving any sort of video coming by that day? No, no. Think we're probably the same age. I think I think you might have seen me. It probably take what that was until I was evicted from where the scene was of a shooting. And I think I remember being in the back room. I think and all the time when the police came to your house, we were generally satisfied with their response. Yes. But they do feel like they did their job. Yes. At some. [12:28:20][498.8] [12:28:21] Point, you remember giving interviews to any law enforcement regarding and but in these interviews, you know, you remember of anybody from the GBI ever went to your house? I. And you remember talking to them. Yes. You know how many different GBI you we talk to three any more. You remember speaking with somebody named said Hollender. Do you remember speaking with somebody named the last name secret? I remember that last name a little bit, but I that's when you have to remember the day they came out. The day. Yeah. No, the ones like your [12:28:21][0.0] [498.8] [12:29:01] name a little bit, but I that's when you have to remember the day they came out. The day. Yeah. No, the ones like your own. But at any point in time did you optimized your miles to ever confront anybody on your side? No. Impact on behalf of the police, you say. I don't think. But you know, Mr. Perez, did you ever meet anybody else, express permission to confront anybody on your property? No, he knows something about William Ryan. I know where we can be. You know, no person. You know, he goes by the name of Ryan. I've heard that we were talking with that person. You know, we communicated in any way with that person. And I you know what that person looks like. I can I read if you could stand up briefly and you can take a look around the room. I know it's hard. People have masks on that. Right? You see this guy and I think. And what is he wearing? A white shirt with very dark in your honor at this time. They would show that, I think, Mr. Right. No, not underfeeding. He's identifying the person he never met, never have. I asked if he knew he was. Yeah, he said he got out and said he saw a photograph. He could have left. He could identify it. But I think to the extent that the victims were relatives did the Inland Empire of the day, they think that happened after what was though we should we to this morning, they said he was lucky he found this on the church down one more time. He had, in fact, identified you're year old. You see Mr. Gregory Michael in the courtroom today. I think that's great in the courtroom. I'm sure it looks similar to that rather than my fear. And what is he wearing? His big black suit, black. And he spoke with Mr. Michael in the path. Yes, Dr. Anyama. Time they asked to let the record reflect that Mr. Englishes identified Mr. Gray with Michael and Paul. That made the record reflect that. It does. Thank you. That question, which will be. And Mr. Mr. Travis, for five years, what is he wearing? A shirt with dark blue jacket, black. You spoken to him in the past? Yes. That reflected his openness. Are trying to in the courtroom, not the person who was Mr. Crosby. I Michael, repeat the question. That's the person you know that Mr. Travis, Michael Travis, Michael Warby. That's the person. You know, I you you got to see. Thank you. Industry. Have you ever spoken in the past, Mr. Brian? Know you've never communicated with him? No. And you in the neighborhood version of. I've seen him on TV. Yes. And you remember what you saw him on TV from to the evidence that the family is trying to show how you would identify him again? Well, to the identification. I mean, the jury got no evidence from time. Nobody what he said to redirect. All right, ladies and gentlemen, to get breaking point for lunch. We'll go ahead and break for an hour. Just please to please plan to return at one step at one thirty during that period of time. Again, do discuss this case among yourselves. Don't go looking for any information about the case. And if ever if anybody is talking about the case around you, please let me know and we'll go ahead and see if we need to get that addressed. Some of those instructions and all the other instructions I've given you. Enjoy your lunch and we'll see you back in an hour. Thank you. All right. The. All right. So after lunch, we'll play the third part of the video [12:37:41][519.5] [12:37:41] and then move into live witnesses in the afternoon, move back and a lot of witnesses in the afternoon. Anything from the state before we recess from Travis. But they are great. You know, you're on. [12:37:57][16.3] [12:37:57] From here right now. Yeah, we recessed until one thirty five [12:37:57][0.0] [16.3] [13:41:22] This is what the. All right. We are back on all the defense represented by counsel. We have a new driver, I guess, for the deposition. But I think level statement from Travis Michael. No, just wanted to let the court know that we do have one more stack of transcripts or one call. I didn't get played a direct role. I think I like to whatsoever that we are. If your question was, are we good, ready to go, ready to from one matter that I wanted to address my understanding while I was cross examining Investigator Lowry yesterday, is that the right Reverend Al Sharpton managed to find his way into the back of the courtroom. I'm guessing he was somehow there at the invitation of the victim's family in this case. And I have nothing personally against Mr. Sharpton. My concern is that it's one thing for the family to be present. It's another thing to ask for the lawyers to be present. But if we're going to start a precedent starting yesterday, we're going to bring high profile members of the African-American community into the courtroom to sit with the family during the trial in the presence of the jury. I believe that's intimidating and it's an attempt to pressure. [13:43:03][100.6] [13:43:04] Could be consciously or unconsciously. [13:43:06][1.5] [13:43:06] An attempt to pressure or influence the jury. [13:43:10][3.7] [105.9] [13:43:10] To my knowledge, Reverend Al Sharpton have no church in Gwinnett County, never has hasn't been here since Elaine Brown ran for mayor, to my knowledge. But we have all kinds of people. We have school board members, we have county commissioners. 134311 COUNSEL>> We have all kinds of pastors in this town, over a hundred. And the idea that we're going to be serially bringing these people in to sit with the victim's family one after another, obviously there's only so many pastors they can have. 134327 And if that -- their pastorâ?Ts Al Sharpton right now, that's fine. But then that's it. We don't want any more black pastors coming in here, or other -- Jesse Jackson, whoever was in here earlier this week, sitting with the victim's family, trying to influence a jury in this case -- and I'm not saying the state is even aware that Mr. Sharpton was in the courtroom. [13:43:45] I certainly wasn't aware of it till last night. I think the court can understand my concern about bringing people. [13:44:03][7.8] [13:44:03] In who really don't have any ties to this case other than political interests. And we want to keep politics out of this case. [13:44:12][8.9] [60.8] [13:44:12] So I'm asking the court to take appropriate steps to make sure that the gallery, which is already limited in this case, isn't being utilized for a purpose that could be viewed as improper. Thank you. Like many other defendants doing that motion, the motion is the motion. It's a it's a it's a reminder of the court's previous instructions to keep outside influences outside the courtroom. From state. It's a public courtroom. And I have no idea how the Reverend Al Sharpton appeared to be here. So the state had no part in that whatsoever. So the state is unaware of how that occurred or how he came to be seated of the family. 134502 COUNSEL>> If a bunch of folks came in here dressed like Colonel Sanders with white masks sitting in the back seat, I mean, that would be -- JUDGE>> I donâ?Tt -- I donâ?Tt (unitell) [13:45:09] So let me tell. What I had heard at lunchtime today was and what I heard yesterday before lunch is that there was going to be that the Reverend Al Sharpton was going to be appearing on the courthouse and appearing with the family. [13:45:35][20.4] [82.6] [13:45:34] I was asked at lunch whether the court had any objection to Reverend Al Sharpton coming into the courtroom. And I said as a member of the public, there are certain limitations on what we can do here, what is going on. And what I was told was instead of having someone from the family sitting in the courtroom that he was going to be sitting there instead of somebody else from the family. And my comment to that was simply, as long as things are not disruptive and it's not a distraction to the jury or anything else going on in the courtroom, so be it. But if it violates the court's rules with regard to the conduct of the trial or violates my orders with respect to how people are to conduct themselves in this courtroom, I will take it up with whomever I need to take it up with. Well, I will tell you that I noticed him once and that was it. And the fact that nobody else even noticed that he was in here means that everybody complied with this court's rulings on sitting in this courtroom. Listening to the evidence. I don't hear a emotion. And I will tell you this. I'm not going to blanket exclude members of the public from this courtroom. If individuals, based on the limitations that we have in the courtroom, end up sitting in the courtroom and they can do so respectful of the court's process and in compliance with this court's orders with regard to the conduct of the trial. And they're not a distraction, then I'm not going to do anything about it. And I did not hear from anyone that there was any distraction whatsoever. In fact, what I just heard is nobody was even aware that he was in here. So, Mr. Sheffield, we were aware he was out of this, that but not a distraction. So, again, I'm not I'm not sure what the motion was. Well, I will point out there's a large barrier that sits you sitting in the back corner of the courtroom. I'm not even sure the jury would have seen him sitting there. 134726 JUDGE>> Nobody has brought it to my attention other than what was just presented as an observation by Mr. Gough. I am not making a blanket rule about attendance in this courtroom. And let's not overstate what's going on here, Mr. Gough, because this will become a distraction that we're going to waste a bunch of time on. [13:47:45] If you weren't even aware of it until later, not sure what we're doing. What we're doing is the question is not whether the lawyers are aware of the question of whether the jurors are aware of it. 10 or 12 jurors are sitting in the box and see that part of the gallery. And we do live in a small town as we were trying this case. And we have 12 jurors who are trying to remain maintain their anonymity here. Several have expressed concern about when we allow people in this courtroom who are not part of the case, but have interest in it, and the jurors can eyeball him and recognize that it's a people they know from TV, then that is intimidating. [13:48:27][172.6] [13:48:27] I'm not making a motion at this time, but if it becomes a problem, as it has been a problem for me in other cases in this courtroom, then I'm going to bring it back up. And I just don't want anybody saying we had no idea this was this was an issue. It's an issue for the Brian. No motion for the court to quite a bleep. Yeah. [13:48:50][23.0] [13:48:50] So Mr. Goff this morning raised the issue of referencing a polygraph test with without mentioning the results of that polygraph test. For the record, I just wanted to give the court the citations. If you were interested in looking at those cases, the first one is Stack the state. And that's two, three, four, Georgia nineteen. I think the actual insight on that one is twenty three to nineteen seventy five case. The second one would be White v. state. [13:49:24][34.0] [229.6] [13:49:24] Two fifty five Georgia to ten nineteen eighty five. And the last one is Norman v. State to speak of appeals to seventy eight Georgia Court of Appeals for ninety seven. And that is a twenty six case. [13:49:46][22.5] [13:49:55] Looks like we have the third part of the deposition ready to go right. And everybody's ready. Right. I'm sure there's nothing further then for the court not hearing anything. Let's go get Pam. All right. For Jury. All right. Welcome back, ladies and gentlemen. We are ready for the continuation of the deposition testimony of Mr. English. [13:52:06][130.9] [13:52:08] She is good to be. [13:52:11][2.5] [13:52:11] That witness. Then over here, represented by counsel for the witnesses under oath. Thank you. Yes, sir. I'm making my past on. You can't hear me at any point. Just let me get out of the clear founder of you. Well, if I could just defend, I would. Mr. Kent, you have redirect at that point. OK, that's fine. If it relates to a question, as long as you explain what did you do that was for this questioning and with regard to the knowledge of the same as Mr. Cammarata mentioned in background as your lawyer with you and Mr. Brady here in court today, she's sitting behind the prosecution table. If you never see that close to the prosecution, if she doesn't work for the prosecution, then right now I know she is related to your wife if your wife's name is Amy. [13:53:31][79.8] [213.2] [13:53:30] And how is this training related? To your wife? I think they're called you. You've had a horrible couple of years. Yet health wise, you're suffering from sarcoidosis. You mentioned you and which affects your lungs in your heart. You stress makes it worse. It exacerbates the symptoms. You right. And then, of course, nothing can be more stressful than what you went through after the shooting of a lottery. If I had affected you personally right here, would it be fair to say that there were times in the months following the shooting where you yourself felt like you were in danger of being killed? I if you had someone who actually threatened to kill you and you took that to mean that you wouldn't get to use your house at 220 to tell you that he killed that you actually had to call 911 line on multiple occasions because people were people harassing you, you harassing your property, right? Yes. And I was right here. Fear, real fear in you and your family. [13:54:56][85.5] [13:54:55] You you weren't sure you were ever going to have to use your your property again. There was a point. And you you were scared for yourself. You scared the life. Yes. You have two children below the age of 18. You were scared for them. Yes. You were even so fearful. You were in a drive by shooting something that was potentially possible. If I had felt and as a result of that, you have taken it upon yourself with the aid of Miss Gray, your wife's cousin, to talk to the press. Right. And try to explain your actions, even though you are never charged with anything. You felt like you yourself were being accused of something you felt that he never did. You have anything to do with the shooting of a man every night? You were a homeowner whose home just happened to be in the home that he had. Yes. And when you say blew up, you yourself are getting harassed, right. [13:56:07][71.8] [13:56:07] Where were when this thing blew up when the social media and the national media all of a sudden started covering the case, you yourself became a target. Is people harassing you and you needed the help of granny to navigate through this terrible ordeal? You know, yes. I reached out to the U.S. government, may have reached out to me, pointed out to me, OK, and you were grateful for that. Yes. And she has, in fact, helped you interact with the press, right? Yes. Interact with investigators, right? Yes. Interact with me. Yes. Right. You we have a zip code. [13:56:59][52.1] [13:56:59] A year and a half ago, I got the call that got us and this was on call. The amount. Remember that? And I remember I don't recall that we had, you know, you know, disagree that we had disagreed with. And your memory. There's some effect from your illness, I take it, on your memory that I'm sure everything is Samuel Beckett right now. Mr. Allen in English. Are you on the day of the shooting, you found out about the shooting from Diego Perez? Yes. And did you talk to Glenn County investigators on that day or within a couple hours that day? Not that I recall. You know, you talked to him the next day and you're not saying you did. You just told me that, OK, Mr. Camerino brought up the fact that you talked to a couple of GBI. You remember that I been helpful to you. [13:58:03][63.9] [13:58:02] I imagine once Hollander, you don't remember that person by name, but you do remember meeting with GBI agents. And I remember you do what they're doing. OK, you met with one. And I can refresh your memory if you need it. You met with one on May six. 2020. Does that ring a bell? No, If I showed you a transcript and let me read a couple lines, would that make that refresh your memory problem? Yeah. Yeah, And I don't want to bother the concern. How do I approach Mr. English? What is this? What's your best? Your A.M. you're going to work. I Avery. Yeah. Your glasses. We just read a few lines at the front page over there, a few lines of your conversation. [13:59:19][77.5] [13:59:19] See if that you your memory of meeting with Mr AGP. I didn't Polidor for you in our in that regard yourself to see and hear everything I know for a long time ago. Does that refresh any recollection? I remember having that conversation with somebody that was OK and you wouldn't disagree with me if I told you that that conversation took place on May 6th, 2005. Right. Better I can take one. Right. OK, subsequent to that day, you called nine one one. You may recall them on the that may maybe twenty twenty if you remember calling about a man in a maroon because the we are walking around your home, we're looking at the call detail report. Refresh your memory. [14:01:19][119.7] [14:01:19] I don't remember a you remember calling again on the 9th and complaining to the dispatcher about people driving up on your property and asking the county police to check on your property on the night. I know the day of the protest in the yard. What that person don't have an opinion. That was the most people walked out the door. Then when did you call 911? Once you noticed they were running? I may have. And you also, in fact, had a recording of you holding your cell phone and on your cell you were watching the protests in your neighborhood. You know that. And I will say I did. But I remember, you know, watching the protests in your neighborhood. I also want to tell the story you were watching while they were by. [14:02:28][69.4] [14:02:28] This is when the man said you're going to be. Yes. That particular day I see you guys there and it was going to be we pay when you got through something and I stay in the back yard away from it's pretty frightening. So it's pretty frightening. I can say it was pretty frightening. Yes, it you come calling the police the end when trespassers were carrying water on and off on your property. I don't remember it. I mean, I don't have any issues with the war. But I was looking at your your call detail report refresh your memory. I mean, I think I mean, you asked me if I'm going to give you I believe it would help refresh everything I can remember. I thought that when did this gray call you to talk to you about helping me remember what brought it about on saw on TV and how she found out about it or or. Well, after your first meeting with the GBI, you had a second meeting with Agent Seacrest on the 15th of May. Correct. She was with you with that, right? She was with me. And I think that was I mean, maybe if I remember, I mean, they were present on maybe she was supposedly free to download the information that was supposedly related to the of rather than on. And in that meeting with Agent Secrecies, where you walk through with the agent, where your vote was at different times, Does that ring a bell? I could have those. I mean, people the story. You remember that. Well, let's go back to the beginning of all of this for you. You testified earlier that you bought the property, I think, four or five years ago [14:04:44][136.1] [14:04:44] And about a year later after that, you started building your dream house, your vacation house. Want to tell you that you've been on the water or least have use of a house on the water to the river and enjoy that. It is as good as you got older and now your health is a concern at that point. I guess initially you had and you said to cameras out, there were three cameras out there in a the no, I can't remember the first one. We've had five or three. Remember Harry that said he three when we can get initially you had a camera on the dock, right? Yes. [14:05:36][51.8] [14:05:36] Now, we watched some surveillance video earlier where we saw an intruder walking across a metal plank. Is that the camera? That was initially. Yes, So that's number one. Yes. And I think you said earlier that you had the second camera on the back, your house. Is that is that true? Yes. OK, let me show you the about Martinez Travis live. Michael, exhibit number one. OK, now approach these it I thought it could be doing this because to me, get involved and maybe you can just sit from the witness box and you this take a look at Travis. Make my whole exhibit number one kind of yourself. I use your party to do it. That you do you understand what you're looking at here? Yes. OK, can you tell us what you're looking at is the area of malaprop against property brand and you see your particular family on that. Yes. As appear to be fair and accurate representation of the property. Yes. [14:07:19][103.6] [14:07:19] OK, I know at this point Kendrick has been my number one goal here. On the other hand, you have and I think that's kind of upset. You have a family and you have you have you have had you. Well, can I have you a pancake. OK, Doctor, you can work in this coproducer. I can help now. Yeah. No, measuring this mark on that photograph directly on it. Where the camera for the backyard was. And for that I know that that's not shown. There's a metal and a metal roof, a approximately where it would be back. The house is the best of my recollection. The one on the back that you he if you want to find out anyway, And so you might if you're looking at the back in front of the thigh, the far left corner of your house. Right. So if you're looking at the background from the dark or the far left corner, and I'm on the left hand side of the knife. Yes, You testified that you put those cameras up because of concerns about liability partially. Right? I mean, can you where your next door neighbor had told you about kids coming around? And if I would be a good idea, the danger is that if you have not only that, but you did have valuables at your house at that point, right? Yes. And so Cambers, of course, would have protect you from any intruders that was seeing things out from you. And that was another reason to have. [14:09:40][141.3] [14:09:40] Yes, I'm eventually and we'll talk about it a little bit more detail, but eventually added ten more cameras reinvolved the you know, I don't even I don't remember it was they come in and some of them we didn't even a couple of things. And you had three cameras in the front of your house. Is that true? And yes, you have one camera in the garage. If you had one camera in your living room. Yes. You had two cameras on the back of the house without falling into the dark. Yes. Those last bunch of cameras you installed in November. After that, the white couple came in and then the black male came into your house. I remember that they were OK, but the abduction is this. I'm handing you what's been marked as Kazmi Michael, exhibit number two, that at that first second, you recognize that. Do you recognize that photograph of you or you recognize it be that's my OK, that's a fair and accurate representation of your house. Yeah. As it existed back in May of twenty twenty. Couldn't tell you what it looked like. OK, then you're right to point out attendance evidence. How does Michael get the number two. Can you hear any more information, a little bit more information about timing of that photograph, their possible Mr. who took that photograph was taken. I investigated. You didn't think it would have been in May of twenty? Twenty may have been twenty minutes before your description of what it looked like. OK, Mr.. To you, that sound like I thought that that photo reflects what your house looked like in May or June 2014. I couldn't pay at this stage. I could not have. But I can tell you this afternoon that that photograph allow you to depict on the front of the house where those where your cameras were located. Yeah, I tend that photograph, Michael. No, to the purpose of allowing Mr. the market is that what you're telling me is just the location of the camera I to do. That's OK. But using your hands during this will mark on that photograph where your cameras were located. You know, this why I attended at Transglobal did a no to show the photograph and where the cameras were located at and photographed. Joe Jackson, George and I know a lot better be able to spend the day with the of the men for that purpose for care. James, you're you you know, I hear with your with your black circles three cameras in the front of the house, one by the RV, the garage on the back in the house, the far left hand corner right here. One on the right hand side of the two car garage, right. Yes. And then one near your front door near the front door Friday afternoon. You should be on the right hand. Very rough floor of the House should be further over. You know, that's generally good mood. We were doing construction inside and it had to be taken back. And I think I'm mean, he had a room he might have had actually for a long time now. Thankfully, there have been probably three the whole time. OK, but the one that's typically on the right hand side might have been even further to the right at different. Right. OK, I that I you going through all the videos that you watched today, cameras dark cameras in the back of the house, cameras in the front of the house. At no point do you see anyone stealing a neighbor's right still in crowd. At no point do you see someone carrying out of your house items that belong to, you know, and you know that items are missing from the boat that was parked in your house right now. I don't know for sure if it was in the house. And I haven't I don't have video. And then I assume that happened in the house. But I can say for sure that and as we sit here today, you don't know where the items were taken or know by the time I'm talking about October, November, December, 2000, nineteen, January and February of twenty twenty, you new items were taken in the boat, hadn't parked in the house. Correct. You you the boat had been at the house point, but I had absolutely nothing to do with that. Right. I knew the items were taken and you knew the boat had park in the house. Correct. Back in time. But I've got to take advantage of the fact that that's not what you told the police, that I don't know that I'm capable of offering the station you a video of children coming into your yard during the daytime and taking supply. Yes, but it was simple answers. Kids dinner in the boy. Are they Sudeten? Answers kids. If you have to be phone and, you know, shooting. As a woman who lives across the street, who has two boys, I three was OK. When did you meet Sue? I think I was at the grand jury was a local mailbox. There were those mailboxes ours. And then she checked the mail. And even when I got there, she made that happened before I come back. But the video depicting the boys coming on your property, that's the first time we saw people come on the property right around. First time you saw someone, he was at night. And it was that first time on one phone call. Yeah, from beginning, if he didn't have any apartment boys. Come on. Right, right. Daytime and boys will be boys. I knew they were better than to be playing. Like you said, in our media industry, I feel like you didn't have a problem with doctors in the neighborhood coming to look at your new house. Right. You didn't have a problem with Bother's in the neighborhood. Dr.. And you use a different word, people who were serious about your new construction as long as it was daytime and they are not hurting anything. You are okay with it? I'm really good with all the time. And the liability is so great and there's so many attorneys looking for a lot of it. Well, that's not how it comes with the territory of building a house. Yes. And as a contractor, as you testified, that's fairly common. Yes. It's different when someone comes on your property at night. Yes, it's scary. But if you don't know why you're there right now, you don't know what they want. You don't know where your valuables are. Still be there in the morning. When you come to your house right. It's pretty scary. Let's go to October 25th. Twenty nineteen as a first time you call nine one one because of something you on your camera strength. I remember I'm not sure about the date. That's the first time you actually interacted with Officer Rasche that you and I'm not sure. I mean I've had a phone conversation or every in that is in attendance as state's exhibit 149. We listen to that call earlier this year. That's correct, sir. We listen to that call on October 25th. Twenty nineteen earlier today, I recall that Monday day this is the call, sir, in which you notify the one one nine when the non-emergency number dispatcher that you had trespassing on your property. Right. I saw you and you described to down the arms. Yes. Black male drolly looking hair wandering around. Yes. OK, you told the the operator you needed him checked. Yes. He looked like he was drunk or on drugs. You know, the answer is that you are concerned about his safety, that point you were concerned your primary. But well, that's not what you told the operator. You wanted to check it out. You wanted him removed from the property. It didn't look right. That's what you said. I don't remember saying we're looking back. Yes. If it's embarrassing, you call the operator saying to you, you want us to go find out what he's doing and have him removed from the property and he responded, Yes, ma'am, if you would appreciate it. Right. OK, it didn't look good because there is no reason for this intruder to be on your property until four p.m. on a Thursday night. Right. The part be good to me. [14:22:14][754.0] [14:22:14] He looked unstable and going down all the way down to the bottom, you know, and you know what he wanted, right? In fact, you called again a few minutes later. That was not playing for you on direct examination of inflate. Now, But Dr. You that you go to the V.A. on this particular one. How are you to switch off, switch? Sandra, what are you doing? On twenty five hundred dollars? At the end of your call, you said you wouldn't need that if that's one fifty right now. You're saying this is a encounter about trespassing on property. She trying to have their cameras involved and saying that he has no idea of the Islamic world or else the property across the street and a woman driving a lot. [14:25:19][184.9] [14:25:19] But he didn't walk off the property you pay. And when he ran and he ran away from the house to the street and went over two thirds of what we have around the corner, he has made it in that direction for the widest looking brick house across the street. And I I mean, is there a way out like it is in your own there way a the other, the or really do this around is in Ferguson Road. I was walking around and I knew you to him. OK, I appreciate and I know that he is patrolling the neighborhood. They're good neighbors. They knew it was looking for at least good friend, but I wouldn't have a yes sir. I swear on my friend. All right. Let me interrupt you and make sure there is no no, essentially. Show me the sign. All right. Sir Charles Barkley. James, she told the operator that you that this intruder was walking across the street to the yellow White House, correct? Yeah, that's supermarkets. His house. If you call in this morning to notify to alert her that there was a strange man in the neighborhood coming towards her house, call my neighbor, to your recollection, to notify her about the strange man being in the neighborhood that I know nothing about you. The caller? Yeah. I remember. Did you ever have a conversation with Miss Lawrence about the fact that this man came from your property and was heading towards her property? I could have remembered on October 20th. You will accept that that's the date of this call. This man who comes at ten o'clock at night, he looks suspicious to you, right? Yeah. There was no reason, no legitimate reason in your mind for him to be on your property that late at night wandering around as you could. No, In fact, of it was concerning. But what struck you is you have a 16 year old daughter at that time. Yes. And where she had been on that opportunity in the camper and she stumbled upon this guy, then who knows what could have happened to just speculation? Well, that's what you told the agent, isn't it? I think I remember something that they were asking questions for estate agents or to an agent that was a concern of yours. Yes. Not only the property that was in the house or on the dock, but the safety of your child, right? Yes, that's something that went through your mind back in October, November of 2008. Yes. A couple of weeks later, a white couple comes onto your property. Right. I guess I can't. If I told you the date was November 17th, would you disagree with that date? Mr.. Now, let's back up. So October 25th, and officer did respond. And you often you heard your voice. You offered to send a clip of the video to the officer. Yes. That first officer who responded. That was the officer. Rasche OK. Right. And all right. With you. You said in the 911 call when the White House was there that you had stuff stolen one and a half to two weeks prior. Yes. You remember that? Yes. One and a half, two weeks prior is about when this black male came on the property right. And look at the timeline. OK, looking at the calendar for 2019, 2020, if the first phone call is the 25th of October right here. Right. And if the second phone call is the 17th of November, that's a couple of weeks later. Right. Looks to be OK. So that's the first call in November 2019 if this white male and female coming on your property, Greg? Yes, they're in your garage. And you say to the to the operator, this is where stuff was stolen. Yes. So sometime between October 25th when that first phone call was made and November 17th, you realize that the stuff from your body had been stolen, right? Yes. Do you know when you realized it? It's like I say, when she got in there, but in a drive and a few days later, I went to work and like I said on the ladder and I noticed was in that it must have been in that time frame. Given what you say on the 911 call, it was in that kind of range when I was aware that it was. But I don't know when she said when it was actually came, I went to the the that the satellite thing. Yeah, it's smallish, right? It's about four inches tall, about six inches where I was involved and someone could obviously pick it up and hold off if you did it, you know. Right. Put it in that way until there is kind of in the black male who got in on the 25th. [14:33:16][477.0] [14:33:16] Yes. Then when the boat was stored somewhere else, if you didn't know, know, OK, but what you're telling the dispatcher on November 17th is there in the garage where stuff was stolen, that MASH unit, exactly what you told the dispatcher is there in the garage where stuff was stolen. If that's what you did now, that's what you say, OK, that's what I'm doing. And you thought maybe they're homeless? Yes. This if the guy's available on unbuckle, right? Yes. You come from the direction of the porta potty. Maybe he just use your porta potty, you know, and back in May of 2001, he may many six. When you met with the first GBI agent, you actually told that GBI it wasn't that couple that are homeless. You're 100 percent sure it was not that they were in and out. So I don't recall saying, OK, we're looking at your transcript, refresh your recollection, say 100 percent. I don't know how much. We're looking at the transcript of that interview with the agent. Refresh your recollection, it wouldn't do any good if I remember that. [14:34:42][86.1] [14:34:42] It didn't really it wouldn't make a difference. I wouldn't I wouldn't remember that you have that transcript. You have it. If you haven't on November 17 for the second call. Oh, twice. And we listen to those calls right. You need your memory refreshed about that second call. I don't think you told the operator that a couple is in the cabin of trying to steal electronics. I was concerned about. Yes, because the electronics were missing from your boat right there. Even the I've heard you said that they both had stuff stolen. It looks like they're doing it again. I've got to say that when you say you've never in New Zealand the first time. Right. Come in then. Yes. Black male that was coming in. You're in your house. If you don't get an advance by that point, who had been in the black man? I'm not sure about the time. Well, the very next night, that same black male came back to your house November 18th and you listen to the call. Remember, I remember being called out for the day. Go to really disagreeing. I told you it was November 18th. The very next night I was in fact, he told the operator this. He's back. We just had somebody here last night. Now, this guy is here tonight, right? That night, he said it looks like it's the same guy from one and a half two weeks ago. That's what he told the operator. Right. I'm with looking at a transcript of your call. I'm listening to a transcript of the if face. No. One in my guess is police. [14:37:54][192.0] [14:37:54] It was our house last night and there's somebody back over there in the not English. You stated you called last night. That would be the white couple. And now there's somebody back here tonight that would be the black male, right? Yes. I'm just Officer Brian, you said you'd just talk to Officer Rasche. Yes. So you already had met Officer Rasche. Right. OK, and that would have been the only other time you call before the first that it would have been the time before you called the night before that question. I'm sorry. You already knew Officer Rash by the eighteen, right? You just said I've already talked to Officer Rash rational. They already had a cell phone by that time. Yes. OK, you see the problem. He says just to catch the killer, you decide to the a drive and have not met you. We're not. We're your partners on the ground here. Dr.. This is November 18th. The black male has no shirt on that concern. You know, you normally walk around without a shirt in mid-November at night and look at Medicare coverage over. For the last few months, you've raised the parking lot and had to find out. We don't have to wait. So you recognize him as the same guy the first time that you called Operation and in fact. Well, yeah, right. Yes. Twisted er protocol. Yes. He was walking around looking into my you describe him looking in the photos. You're saying he's not the option. Vote no. This is now another vote as you've already removed the Yashoda. Right. OK, did it concern you that he was looking at your vote. That'll be significantly more helpful than you already have your vote vandalize once before. Yes, And now this guy is looking in your vote. You can actually see him looking in your vote. Yes, I have. I'm going down with him. Well, right. He is. He doesn't know who has your hungry and this your company. Nice. I have a situation with some guy. You have to go back through the ages and cannot. Was that here tonight? Is that's pretty alarming, isn't it? You guys back. Yeah. Yeah. [14:37:54][0.0] [14:42:02] At yes. After dark. Yes. For no legitimate purpose that you knew it. Yeah. In fact you say it looks like he's up to no good. What other conclusion could you have drawn. Right. Right. You said. [14:42:22][19.5] [14:42:22] He is seen in the neighborhood of three different cameras and you testified under oath and you're not sure whose cameras those were? I don't know. I'm don't remember. You know, where I got that from? I think they were from the people in the back. And you're not lying to the dispatcher when you say that, right? For sure. In my opinion, I never intended to lie to the police. Right. I have the motivation to to a dispatcher write to a neighbor about what was happening to your house. You never purposely said anything untrue, right? [14:43:02][39.6] [59.1] [14:43:02] The morning before this guy came, the black man on the 18th, you had to remove the vote, install more cameras, Right. I don't know whether day. OK, it's on the call an officer. Now, if you do anything, I'll I'll let you go to figure New York Times. I think you you have to have your was with my family. You have been there last night. And didn't see an officer in a video. And I can see the video of this. You have to get out of the scene. The finger working at about the issues of the day. I was running about. He was in front of the cameras and the second half of the day, the drive, which I'm sure does that refresh your memory, that you put up more cameras that. Yes, know that is the eighth of November. You wish you wouldn't disagree with him. The day was accomplished. You. [14:45:00][118.5] [14:45:01] Were sending the videos after a rash of superpower's clips of your videos and calling as soon as you can. [14:45:12][10.2] [128.7] [14:45:11] You got learn on your phone. Your concern is now your house was being broken into the contributive by someone you didn't know and hadn't authorized to be there. Yes, right. It was concerning to you concerning enough that the next day after this call, you talked to the president on the night of the by the way, on the 18th. You don't know where this guy went. The blackmail that came on the property cannot disappear without you really seeing where you went, correct? Yeah. So just because you have the cameras doesn't mean you see everything around your house when someone's in there. Right. And the frustrating part was that at this point now three times your property has been violated, people being covered in the property, and you still can get a police, the police officer there in time to catch up, in time to talk to you or give you a trespass warning or anything. Yes, right. And so you talk to the press, you remember that if we we were able to talk or take some from that, [14:46:38][86.2] [14:46:35] OK, I'm going to show you how the text messages between you and Mr. Perez see if you recognize your own. They use you. You're not missing with you. See what's in front of you on your screen. You see this exhibit. I'm a native. You see it on your hand on your video. Yes. I'm showing you with the market. Is did it that one eighteen by agreement. We're going to call that. Take a look and see if you recognize English. You recognize state's exhibit 118 as a text read between you and Diego Perez. Yes. Diary of a Tendered Evidence State's Exhibit one eighteenth objection. I see. If you can clarify something for me, contact, I did have a quote at Question Me before I answer the question was admitting to the it's it's OK. To give me some direction. Mr. English, your your responses are in green. Yes. And Mr. President are invalid. [14:48:55][139.8] [14:48:54] OK, ok. So he says at first he rejected me. I'm asking you know, I don't remember. I'm asking you about phone records. Who are the first contact is that on November 19th, twenty nineteen and six to twelve. And that might not be an accurate time, but it's it's what's depicted in this exhibit. OK, so who contacted you that Mr. Mr. Perez texting you? So. So he contacted me. That's what it appears. I get further from the exhibit. That's what I thought. I wanted you to clarify it. Right. And you have him in your phone as the hospital assures the last name that they're not that problem here. And the D.A. will look at the exhibit. And he gave us the killer show. Here he is using his last name. Yeah, I know. There's lots that's still short. Well, I understand clearly what you're saying, and I understand that's how you have him in your phone. Yes. OK, and that's his phone number. Next to it. I know you and he's texting you. And this is good news. If you get someone on your cameras, let me know right away. I can respond in mere seconds. Right now, he's responding to something. When he takes this to you, does it not appear that way to you? He's responding. He says goodness. Well, what is he saying? Goodness about? You know what I don't understand when I about this. I didn't understand. Do you recall sending video clips of these intruders to Mr. Perez that brought back to being. Yes. And that could be his response to this. And that makes, you know. All right. And he says someone had your cameras. How could he get there like that? Yes. You know, there's a couple of houses down. Yes, right. [14:50:55][121.1] [14:50:55] There are two houses of three houses that big in the house between my house and it's anyway. And then Diego Perez. Right. So he can get there quicker than Officer Rasher. Officer Powers. Yes. And get in there quickly is important to you? Yes. Because three times now, twice one guy and once this white couple have come on your property and the police have responded quickly but not quickly enough to catch. Yes. Fred is offering you another alternative, right? Yes. He's offering you your daughter house and a half house away, never to come respond. Yes, OK. And he says it's totally up to you how you can get in the back. I can go either way. Through the front or back. With your permission. Thank you for texting me, which indicates to you, does it not, that you sent him something? I repeat that he says thank you for texting me, right? Yes. Then I hate to use them up. And I said Eclipse. [14:51:56][61.2] [14:51:56] OK, And he offers up another camera that faces that way so he can catch whoever is intruding on your property. Right. OK, and you say, hey, this is Larry. He was next to Mr. Away, wondering if you've ever seen any of these people. Thanks. Apparently, again, you sent him clips of people, OK? And then you say to him, you have my permission. Thanks again. Right. As we said on tape, if you're giving him permission to come on your property, if you ever need help. Yes. He says, I don't recognize him. I've seen I've never seen them in the neighborhood before. I've had trouble stolen right out of my truck. I'll keep an eye out and make the rounds in the evening before I go to bed. Yes. And you received that message and you were aware that Diego Perez was offering to essentially be a neighborhood watch for your property. Yes. And if he saw something he offers to, can the guy up until the police could arrive? I him being a way it will happen. Well, he says and you say thank you very much. He says, yes, sir. Thank you for sharing the information. Is there usual time around or is it a different right or is it at different random times? [14:53:24][87.4] [14:53:24] I have night vision goggles and if they come around at a certain time, I may be able to intercept them or pen them up for the police. I can't stand. These are people who disrespect your property. Yes, I think I remember here reading that. And then you tell him what time they come around 10 o'clock once around six o'clock, and he says, good enough. You say, OK, yes. But I ask him, no, you didn't. But he offered and you're fine with that if you don't. I asked him to do that, but he was fine with that. You didn't tell me. Yes. Yes, I said you have permission, of course, because you're an hour and a half away. Two hours away and he's right there. Why wouldn't you accept that offer right now? I mean, it's the only thing that he's offering you kind to look out for you and you're grateful for it. Yes. He's been a nice guy. Yes. Nothing wrong. You don't really know Diego. I never met him, but he was nice enough to reach out and you reach that he said unclips. And he was going to do what he could to protect your property. Yes. And that sounds like a good deal. Not law enforcement right now. No, you're not even ex law enforcement as far as you know. No. Right. No, What did you understand to work in the VA? Vega Yes. OK, and so we go hand in hand your contact in the name of your other than the police, he was a person you were most in touch with when you had intruders on your property. I even called the national officer powers that. So we have officer officer powers or Diego Perez, you OK? And that sometimes you even called Diego when he didn't even call the police force me. OK, because once that so up to this point, we're talking about mid November. You've had a black now on October 25th, the same black male on November 18th. And you had a white couple on that one on the 17th of November. Right. According to these according to the do that you say all these things. OK, the state played for you your your 911 call on December 1st, 2090, That's where you see the car parked near the bridge of that. I remember carpentry. OK, you say to the to the dispatcher, the neighbors, someone living under the bridge who's responsible for things happening in your neighborhood. Right. Something that they can get from. You know, if you've heard the rumor from. I didn't know. Were you aware that Britney Michael had called 911 one in July about the homeless guy under the British causing problems? [14:57:00][216.5] [14:57:01] Yeah, Do you know if you were Diego, he might have mentioned this homeless guy? I do not know. You say that stuff happens. Don't have your vote. So you're still telling the dispatcher as of December 1st, stuff was stolen. Your boat by the boat was at the house and what your employer said, yes, OK, you said Diego Perez, the video on the 19th, you authorized him to stop any individual who was on your property until police got there. Not anything improper. You thought that was the thing to do, right? Yes. And you then called or. [14:57:56][55.2] [14:57:56] Texted with Diego on the 11th of February, the night to transmit Michael call nine one one of the day. OK, do you recall the time when Travis McMichael encountered a black male on your property? I remember that. I remember that day when few people know who was involved in people who try to find out who was. And he was supposedly on the property trails to get by on the street for OK, that's the best. I remember you weren't there. You don't know exactly what happened. He just things you heard after the fact. Yes. OK, that night you got alerted on your video on your on your cell phone. Right. And I got alerted that not I'm not saying. Well, we saw the video. It's in evidence they did it 170. That's the line. They aren't sure on your property on February. Right. It looks. And if that's what you told the police, this guy looks similar. It's the same guy on the 20th of October 18th. The now the a February that's as best as you could tell, is the same. Yes. OK, you didn't call the police when you got over it. You call Vega, right? I, I get some detectives in here. I mean, there's no 911 call from you on the 11th of February. Is that true? You've not been shown one today. I don't remember the big question, but you didn't call the police on February 11th when you got alerted on your phone. If this intruder did call the area possibly on your phone and you sent him the video. OK, so right in the and you call the ego because you wanted a quick response to this guy. Yes. It's now the third time he's on your property. He's yet to be caught. He has no business being on your property. He's not there for any legitimate purpose, you know. Right. Right. [15:00:48][172.2] [443.8] [15:00:39] You want them gone What's the quickest way to get in quicker than rash or power? Anybody else you've encountered? Correct or handed off to travelers for as anything harmful that you want in a few years. We just some of the being stolen. You know wherever someone who saw that he had no business being in profit The reason that you get there quicker that you want to Diego to know is because he's got three level. Yes. And again, you're thinking like a father. you had a girl at a time was 16 years old, right? Your son who's 11 or so. getting bigger. All right. Cindy has to always across the street, but this guy is doing the neighborhood. Right. You don't recognize them. but this guy is doing in the neighborhood, Right? You don't recognize them In the body's in a dark house at night. wandering around the input, right? You are not used to calling anyway. You're calling Diego friends. You're letting people know that he's going over the Sufis because it doesn't feel good to have this guy working around. You texted the NGO on the 19th of November on the 11th of February and again on February 23. The day of the shooting You're communicating with Diego about what's showing up on your account. And that's the time that you know of a disguise in your house three times at night. Right. Except we've seen a video today from December 17 three different clips. Same guy at night at your house. You'll need a professional memory, so you understand what you say. [15:03:56] On December 17th I'm sorry Exhibit One time for ABC. Do you recall getting alerted to this video. There's no 911 Call Are you aware of any 911 call this night. Is it possible that he can run your property, you didn't even know. Were you in a hospital around December of December, 2019. Do you know that you received a text message from officer wrap around the same time period right? From not changing your phone but you had over Is it because you were sick? or that you didn't open? You just know you never saw that text message. And you know if you ever saw this state's exhibit 1.4, you nobody ever saw that, you know how the how the GDI got this amortization of gamma ray. you know how the how the GDI got this? [15:05:39] 24. You know, if you ever saw that, you know how the guy got this I've heard in Grand Rapids. I mean, that's all, you know, that your lawyer sent videos from your camera or from your phone to the police or to the GBI. I think from here we talked about it earlier in order because the camera loses video down there forever. They drop off as they get older. The videos that we have from this earlier time period, 2019, are the ones that were saved on your phone and texted to people, correct. Definitely. The videos that we have that we've looked at this morning and this afternoon are videos that were texted to Diego, to Raschka Powers. [15:06:35][55.9] [15:06:35] They were saying on your phone right after them, take phone and text. All. [15:07:47][71.7] [15:07:47] Right, listen, John, let's go ahead and we can take a 15 minute recess and then we'll come back for the I think the final portion of the video. I think, again, do not discuss the case among yourselves. We'll see in about 15 minutes. All right, Roger, OK, 15 minute recess. Thank you. [15:07:47][0.0] [71.7] [15:24:02] For that. Check in on Nancy. And I'm glad you're back. And you are the first witness. OK, what sounds like you're still working people out within the deadline? Actually, Larry. Yeah, we're we're about to get to that. I want to see that. I guess, before you started to do that, I've got all defendants present to you just about hopefully to have all counsel necessary for the video. I think before we get to it, I can address this with who we have did receive a note of caution from the jury. How much can the media talk about or describe? For us? [15:25:13][71.0] [15:25:15] There was one. This is actually number two. This came from one of the jurors apparently that just noticed, I guess, media writing or taking notes. There's a little bit more excellent with the rest of the notes. Dona get to detail with it. Come on. I'm going to have Marcus courts for you if you have any each other friend. It just goes into a descriptive, that's all. I don't want to do that. I put it in the record and so. [15:25:58][43.6] [15:25:58] I think what's going on is the the pool is taking notes. I have seen a few articles out there that have been sent to me which just indicate maybe some jurors are taking notes that we're not taking notes. I haven't seen any descriptive, personal, descriptive information. I heard a reference to a USA Today article. I did see that and I passed it. In fact, I had to my step take a look at to to see whether it truly violated my order. And I'm not sure that it does. It comes as close to the line as I think you can, but it does not have any personally descriptive information in the way that we were talking about it during this election. So what I'm going to do is I'm going to make this court's four. I'm going to mention to them when they come back in that I did receive this note and I will and I've already indicated to them once that the court is doing everything I can to ensure that no personal information is being released to the media. But as far as the pool that's in the courtroom, what their observations are that are not personally identifying, they're welcome to provide that as part of the media feed. Is there any way the court will consider amending the existing order to restrict discussions of the clothing hairstyle? I I'm sorry and I apologize for interrupting. Is this should be off the intercom, but is this just where it's on record or are we back on? Let's go back and on the record. You know, that's fine. That's fine. I was just reading out the whole note, so we had broken. We can be on the record. Just try to address your concerns with regard to coverage. To answer your question, Mr. Goff, I don't as far as what their hairstyles and what they're wearing, I haven't seen that. Of course, the primary concern here for the jurors to be secure in their work permit. And obviously the fact that this information is out there concerning at least some, I would suggest that without going into the security arrangements for the jurors, once the jurors are released in a manner speaking for the day, they could in theory be identified by the time color of the tie or the outfit or the style of the hair. And I think on balance, the right of the defense to a fair trial takes priority over the First Amendment rights of the media here. I think the court should consider amending the existing order to prohibit descriptions of the jurors that would allow someone to identify them either to or from their homes. In this case, I can say that as someone who's actually been in a situation where a litigant was actually. [15:29:17][198.7] [15:29:18] Killed on their way to court because they were intercepted before the deputies could escort them here. So that is that was a civil case. That kind of thing can happen. And now that this concern has been expressed, particularly when they're not sequestered, maybe this would be a case for the court to enter an amendment to the order that is more restrictive in terms of the descriptions of the jurors. [15:29:46][28.5] [15:29:48] Anyone from an from the defense. Greg McMichael joins in that emotional. [15:29:53][4.2] [15:29:54] Driving, Michael, as well. Well, it's I don't know whether I'll consider it once you figure out specifically instead of me trying to figure out what that means. All let me know what you are asking for. Additional restrictive language from the court. I'll go and consider it, I think, from the state. No. OK, again,. [15:30:14][19.6] [365.6] [15:30:14] I'm open to that. I'm just trying to work through the problem. I don't need it now, but if there is something from the defense that we can further tailor the court's instructions in a way that takes into consideration the constitutional rights that this court needs to take into consideration, understanding that the defendant's right to a fair trial is is paramount for the court. I'm willing to take a look at it. I'm just I just need to think through exactly what it is you're asking the court to do, because I've put a relatively fine point on it. I just want to see how much finer you're asking the court to go. Yes, I fully respect and understand the concern that my. [15:30:59][44.9] [15:30:59] Wife's mom is in a primary care unit and she just got a text that there's an emergency that check on her real quick to see what that is. Yes. I'll be right back. [15:31:35][35.8] [15:35:53] It's good that we're going to pay one volume and we probably should be so we can move forward with the video of TV. Yes, I believe so. She's just finishing up the phone call. I think they had to take to the hospital for some reason. I'm not sure what I was advised to call. I have to address something, but my plan is to get the panel back and address this question and get the video started. I'll stay here and that's fine. We go forward, get them. Yeah. Mr. Hogue, if you need to get up, let me know because we'll just pause based on reputation. So we're very glad. Stated. All right. Welcome back, ladies and gentlemen. Before we start with the video, I do want to address a note that came out. The note, although it's a little bit longer, the basics of the notice. How much can the media talk about or describe the US that was actually signed by one of the jurors and I assume others? If you have the same question, we're going to go ahead and mark that as courts for places generally put some orders in place, limiting the amount of personal information that can be released to the media during the course of this trial. I'll get it. During the course of this trial, there are pool reporters in the courtroom who are reporting on what's happening in the courtroom. Those individuals may put non personal information in there. For example, if jurors are taking notes that are going to hopefully do that by no, but whatever their observations are. But as far as personally identifying information, that is not to be released under the court's order. So that's how we're proceeding. But there is obviously interest in this case and it's being reported on. We're keeping an eye on that to the extent that we can. But I believe we are ready to get started again with the video. All right. [15:39:09][195.7] [15:39:09] Let's go ahead. The marriage machine. Listen, hand you what's been marked to try to translate Michael's exhibit three. Take a look and see if you recognize it. I'm sorry to refresh your memory. Yes. You may recognize Michael's exhibit number three. You think I'll hold them off? I'm sorry. I think I've got to tell the court what those things are. Well, I think he would have more than to as I think it's a small one and three is out memorialization of your text messages without soroche. Yes, OK. And in the text messages, the text on the 25th of October 2019, right before the end of the day, I think let me do this. Does this accurately detect your text messages with the best I can recall at this point, I tend to translate. Michael, exhibit number three projection is James was the exhibit steps that you texted him on October 25th, 2013, right here. And you disagree with that? No, And that would have been coinciding with the first time you saw the blackmail coming on your property at night. [15:42:12][183.1] [15:42:12] You see in the video that I see of the reaction coincide with what with the first time that that black male came on your property at night? I guess they took some video. I guess you wouldn't have you had no reason to take them away from October 25th. If the white man hadn't been on the property until you texted him again on the 18th of November. Correct. And then several cuts both in the white couple in and the black male in property called it fair to say, Mr. English, that through twenty twenty three I'm sorry, through 2019 only to twenty twenty. You didn't know who had stolen your electronics, your yeti cooler from the boat. That was hard at times to try to tell the truth. I don't know. But you talk to your neighbors, right? Yes. And talk to Diego. If you talk to Malpensa, if you talk anyway. Yes. You talk to my often the guy across the street. Not very much. I remember a conversation about this guy. Do you know that he had surveillance cameras on his house? The did you know Diego had surveillance cameras on his house? Yeah. And we had some great conversation. OK, you made your neighbors aware of the ones we mentioned that you had stuff stolen out of the boat, right? [15:44:06][114.5] [15:44:06] Yes. And in fact, you want your neighbors, if they could, to help you catch the guy that had done that here, you dago in particular, if you never told them at any point and it wasn't stolen, but that was on the property, it was stolen was part all of his heating and air told, never announced it on Facebook for the neighborhood, never announced it on the next door neighbor. The page. Right. You have to answer that. Yeah, you did never posted any kind of alert to your neighbors. Hey, never mind. Wasn't stolen from this neighborhood. It was stolen from somewhere else. You know, therefore, Mr. English, to your knowledge, they were left with the impression that stuff had been stolen from your boat, that you want to a job. And if you were aware of other crime in the neighborhood besides would have been taken from your right if you were to try to traffic Michael and himself had it gun stolen out of his truck. I guess you were aware that Diego Perez had stolen out of his right? Yes. You mentioned earlier that there was a neighbor at the front of the neighborhood who had some stuff stolen, right? Yes. We aware of any other crime in the neighborhood? [15:45:35][88.4] [15:45:34] Not that I can recall. Mr. English in the camera on the property, right? Yeah. I don't know if any of our pictures depicts and Michael exhibit number one, I could handle that to you. Does this photograph depict a camper on your property? OK, is that where you slept when you came to work on your property in the camper, sir? Is that where you slept? Yes. You bring your kids with you when you came to work on your property, sometimes on the weekend and it was summertime, maybe more. They would sleep in the camper as well. Yes. OK, As of February 2013, twenty twenty. The same blackmail had been on your property now four times at night. I bet they were probably been chased off by the police by a neighbor on the eleventh of February, right? Yes. Al-Sarraf Hasni Michael. Right. Yes. And yet he came back in the daytime on February 2013. Yes. When you got that alert and you were working with your Beekeeper's. Yes. You didn't even think to quickly get your phone to catch the guy because it is daytime. Right? Right. You were less concerned about daytime, right? Yes. But this turned out to be the same guy that had been on your property previously. Yes. And that was concerning. Yes. You called me to get in contact. You no time. Contact me. It was too late. Yes. Thank you, Mr. Assurances. So, yeah, you're right. I have no questions. [15:48:52][197.9] [15:48:51] But what the three we first started back. You had mentioned you wanted to clarify something. You people tell me what you wanted to clarify. On your previous testimony. We talked about it was the last of the discussion that we had there to verify that I was in the video and work in my hands. I had and I heard the laugh, but I didn't mention it immediately because it was my and I stopped washing my hands off the I need to wash my hands 30 minutes later, between the yard. I need to be a good night so that you know my property. And I mean, I've been shot. OK, thing is that the note that the law passed to me that was about the food in the break, is that correct? Correct. The food. I'm OK. No, I'm talking about Mr. Rubin. Ask you about it. [15:48:51][0.0] [15:50:10] No, it was passed from your lawyer to me while I was talking to you, and I was about a food and and a break that you needed. OK, you know what that was about? Not having any you know, I think I was saying it, you know, my. But you should I mean, look at the medication earlier. I think it hasn't been done. And I'm not trying to block out the medications on E! Yes, sir. I think maybe my wife, Gretchen, for the record, I'm not sure we can do that. They did not and won't call me if you will go ahead and hinder the second clip from October 25th. I think we play it. I'm not sure you defender to tender it here. I if we did not move on and move to Tennessee to give it one twenty one. I'm sorry I went away. It was one one. We had a hundred and thank you. We would not get far on the floor to make sure the referee was when the protesters came by your house after the street, after Mr. Aubrey was shot and killed. [15:51:53][103.3] [15:51:56] And you mentioned on cross that somebody had said they were going to bite you because they used the word, you're going to get back if you remember that. Yes. You're not sure what they meant by that, is that correct? I wasn't sure. But if he told me what. Yeah, I'm sorry. We have you to speak up a little bit later on. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. A little later in the back side of the street. You just trust me a little bit. [15:52:35][38.8] [142.1] [15:52:34] If I speak for about how many protesters were out there, I didn't hear the point that you the street was constantly, you know, people walking by and you didn't know who they were or where they're from or anything like that. Is that correct? Not because you don't know who made that comment. What? Yes, that was kind of he stated that that's the reason I could be sure that I I mean, has any of that information or I'm sorry, any of that event that happened, the protesting, has that caused you to come in here and alter your testimony? You're lying in a way no, it's you're not lying or altering any testimony for or against the state or for any of these defendants. Is that correct? [15:53:35][60.9] [15:53:35] You know, put myself in this room and we're questioning you about the 911 call where you said that the same guy was on three different people's cameras. You don't know whose cameras those were. I don't recall. Do you know you wouldn't know whether those cameras were inside or outside or any houses on that street? No, That trailer that you have on your property from the time that you got to say from October of 2000, nineteen the twenty twenty. How long were you coming down to stay on the property? Did you start over again please. Yes sir. From I would say fall of 2008. Nineteen like October until 2020. You said fall. Fall again. You get a little more autumn. OK, do you know how long or how many times a week or month you would come down to in that RV? You know what I mean? So that be going into the back of my mind. OK, you know, just in general, since you bought that property, how often you go down there to try to get a couple of times, you know, the weekends, OK, back and took it upon trial and stayed until the wind was more than that. I was saving them often. I'd say almost by the week. And then at one point I was I think the first time I was when I came down on OK, so you use pretty often. So you use it pretty often. Yes. Yeah, During up and put on the green. You did at one point seven. You recognize that this is a picture of. Yes. And what about a picture of not the guy in front of the house. OK, and he does this look like the kind of drive you. Yes. I did find the Interstate 127. OK, they'll have your people use this for potty. Yes. And if you're a water source right around here. Yes. My half brother. Plus the water cups and everything people use. Have you ever seen people use that for. Yeah, OK. Well, I guess maybe they have or viewed in Washington. Could you tell us what if that job for garbage people to in the yard right here. Do you have any garbage bin on Rodney? What about where do you find your mom and just the like. Oh yes. During this week when you came down to visit, you're probably by yourself and you bring your family in situations around the time that the visit was going on with your family, when you came down, usually when you were coming up, different than when you were having people, when you had the person that was in those videos and interviewing instead of blackmail when he was coming on the property, Lanco from an early winter by 2019 was to did you know who would use that water before to jump in your property? You got to worry about anybody, come back from you had been there for me. OK, that would be many subcontractors to subcontractors, other contractor and yard minded people in the neighborhood. [15:59:48][373.3] [15:59:48] To where trash wash at the end of the day. Out of all this, it didn't really want to restore order to not come back on your property, is that right? Yes. And you wish no harm on this route? I don't have anything else. John, know we are back. [16:01:12][83.9] [16:01:20] Thank you. Jitender. In the deposition under state's exhibit 132 this time the transcript of the no, the actual files of that is going to be record, understand and objection. Your Honor, you are. [16:01:54][33.8] [16:01:54] Admitted at this time. You asked me to stop you. Your Honor, at this time, the state is seriously considering calling Officer Rash. However, officer also has a 25 minute video. And we may not get through all of his testimony today, given the jury has just spent seven hours looking at a video. I'd leave it to the discretion of the court as to whether to proceed. So. [16:02:29][34.4] [16:02:29] The 25 minute video is within the direct and then we will have to cross from, OK, ladies and gentlemen, I think we're at probably good breaking point for the Devon. Thank you for your attention. Sometimes videos are hard to get through. Checking on you occasionally. Everybody seems to be doing well. That is greatly appreciated. Y'all are doing what we've asked you to do, which is sit and listen to the evidence in this case. Now, again during the break. Well, I should say, first of all, we're going to do we're going to recess. We'll come back at nine o'clock tomorrow morning for continuation of the case during the recess. Do not discuss the case among yourselves. Do not go looking for any information about the case. And don't let anybody contact you or approach you about the case or discuss the case in your presence. Here. So, again, with all of those instructions and all the instructions I've given you, have a good evening. We'll see you back here at nine o'clock in the morning. Thank you. All right. For her. Anything from the state for recess? Yeah. You got anything to. [16:04:04][95.5] [16:04:05] Say from traps? No, I just ask that the minutes with the time of my arguments which have been going into the box office, I ask they remain up here in the file. I think they will be brought before our portion of the deposition. I understand that. But now that they are here, I'd ask you to stay here at the other end. [16:04:33][28.6] [276.1] [16:04:33] I'll give you the clerk what the procedures are in this particular court and make sure they're available. Understand the available. There's a box up front with all the state's exhibits and there's a file for this as well. I will just put those in. There were everything else. Oh, I think it's talking about the deposition exhibits. I may not have made it up. It's just those just three three. So we will take the part that they have. The report will get ready to take care of things. Some Greg, so you're on your own. Firstbrook you are going to recess until nine o'clock. [16:05:12][38.5] [16:05:13] Could I see counsel, though, briefly, just on the logistics, Mr. Chambers, [16:05:13][0.0] [38.5]