SHAH OF IRAN VISITS JERUSALEM
Unissued / Unused material. <br/> <br/>Shah of Iran, Mohammed Reza Shah Pahlevi, visits Omar Mosque. Jerusalem. Israel (Palestine). <br/> <br/>MS Omar Mosque. LS Shah's car and escort arriving. Various shots of Shah and King Hussein of Jordan walking through yard of Al Aqsa and entering Mosque. <br/> <br/>Various shots of Shah and King Hussein leaving Mosque. LS's Shah and King standing near car then getting in.
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OSAMA BIN LADEN TRAINING VIDEO - PART 1
Views of the Al Aqsa and Dome of the Rock mosques during British occupation of Jerusalem in World War I
Views of the Al Aqsa Mosque, also known as the Qibli Mosque in Jerusalem, Palestine. A closeup of the Dome of the Rock Mosque after British capture of Jerusalem in World War 1. A contingent of British troops on guard duty marches past the Dome of the Rock Mosque. Men are seen on the mosque steps. Several British soldiers setting out on camels. Location: Palestine. Date: 1918.
JERUSALEM AL-AQSA MOSQUE
Mideast Al-Aqsa Mosque
Mideast Al-Aqsa Mosque
2003
Jerusalem, Israel - Mount of Olives / Har ha-Zeitim Cemetery - Jewish headstones - pan to Temple Mount with Dome of the Rock / Al-Aqsa Mosque - religion - Judaism
[Brief plateau: Jerusalem, enhanced security for Easter in a climate of tension]
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AL-AQSA MOSQUE & RUINS - JERUSALEM
A view of the Al-Aqsa mosque from the Mount of Olives. Montage ruins. Jerusalem skyline.
MAYOR NUTTER MOSQUE INCIDENT PRESSER WPVI / HD
PRESSER BY PHILADELPHIA MAYOR MICHAEL NUTTER ABOUT THE INCIDENT AT AL-AQSA ISLAMIC SOCIETY MOSQUE / WHAT: Mayor Nutter and elected officials will stand with leaders from the Muslim community to speak out against Sunday night's incident at Al-Aqsa Islamic Society mosque.
THE ISRAEL STORY
Titles read: 'EXTRA!' - The Israel Story. <br/> <br/>General view panning across city of Jerusalem with chewing camel in foreground. Street scenes of Jerusalem show people walking along with goods on their heads and leading donkeys about. M/S of bell ringing. Several shots of tourists at the Dome of the Rock (?). <br/> <br/>Tourists make their way to the Wailing Wall. Shots of Jewish men and boys praying at the wall. Several shots of the barren landscape around the city. Commentator talks of recent events - firing of the Al Aqsa Mosque, hangings in Iraq, time bomb in London office of Israel shipping company - and speaks of Arab-Jew hostility. More scenic shots of surrounding countryside - rocks and sandy mountains and slopes.
Families celebrate at Al Aqsa Mosque,and Mosque of Omar, in Jerusalem on occasion of annual pilgrimage to Nabi Musa
Families gathering at Al Aqsa Mosque, Jerusalem for celebration of annual pilgrimage to Nabi Musa. The Ghawanima Minaret visible at far left. In courtyard pilgrims take refreshments. Several small girls play a game. A large group surrounds several people performing spontaneous circle dance. Family groups socialize and eat snacks. Views of persons leaving the area, with Mosque of Omar (Dome of the Rock) clearly visible behind them. Location: Jerusalem Palestine. Date: 1945.
2003
Jerusalem, Israel - pans Arab quarter to Temple Mount with Dome of the Rock / Al-Aqsa Mosque - Judaism - Islam - Muslim - shuk - Kotel
Al Aqsa Mosque Black Dome above Old City wall
Mideast Ramadan Al Aqsa Mosque
Mideast Ramadan Al Aqsa Mosque
Israel: Attack in Tel Aviv sets Middle East on fire again
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ARAB-ISRAELI CONFLICT AT AL-AQSA MOSQUE
Palestinian and Israeli soldiers fight outside the Al-Aqsa Mosque in Jerusalem over an archaeological dig the Israelis are doing in the Muslim holy area. Soldiers through grenades and ride on horseback. Arabs protest in the streets.
The Holy Land
The Holy Land. A tour of Palestine in the 1960s. 1950s, Holy Land, Palestine, Middle East, map of Middle East, Jerusalem, Israel, coast, Mediterranean shores, desert hill country, river, car driving off road through desert, desert gorge, animal bones, Dead Sea, Sea of Galilee, palm trees, foliage, hillside town, threshing, goats on hillside, shepherd's sling, men wearing Keffiyeh, traditional culture, market, camels, Bedouin, map of locations around Jerusalem, passengers walking away from airplane, airport, Judean Mountains, tourists sightseeing, Bethlehem, Church of the Nativity, Eye of the Needle, star on the manger, Samaria Mountains, Plain of Esdraelon, Mount Tabor, Nazareth, Mary's Well, Fountain of the Virgin, Jordan Valley, River Jordan, Judea, road from Jerusalem to Jericho, Mount of Temptation, hill stream, palm tree oasis, water spring, women carrying water jugs on their heads, Cana, Sea of Galilee, fisherman fishing from shore, Tiberius, old city wall, Capernaum, dock, temple, Jesus, ruins, Feeding of the Five Thousand, spring, Church of the Beatitudes, Bethany, Tomb of Lazarus, tourists sightseeing, Mount of Olives, Jerusalem, Kidron Valley, Jewish burial grounds, Tomb of Absalom, Pool of Siloam, Golden Gate, Old City, Temple Mount, Dome of the Rock, Old City Walls, tourists sightseeing, Mount of Olives, Mount Zion, King David's Tomb, Church of St. Peter, Gallicantu, olive grove, friar tending garden, Church of All Nations, Lions' Gate, tour group, Pool of Bethesda, Golgotha, Calvary, old city streets, Chapel of the Crowning of Thorns, markers for stations of the cross, Church of the Holy Sepulcher, Garden Tomb, Dome of the Rock, mosaics, Al-Aqsa Mosque, Acre, port, old city walls, modern Jerusalem, streets, traffic, old city of Jerusalem
MIDEAST AL-AQSA COMPOU
MOSQUE REPAIR
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12:10:59 NATURAL SOUND FTG. ISRAELI POLICE HIDING BEHIND WALL OF MOSQUE SHOUTING AT PALESTINIAN / PALESTINIAN THROWING STONE AT POLICEMEN'S HEAD / POLICEMAN WAVING BATONS AT PALESTINIAN / POLICEMEN HIDING BEHIND WALL / WS MASKED PALESTINIAN RUNNING ALONG WALL SURROUND MOSQUE COMPOUND CARRYING FLAG / MASKED PALESTINIAN RUNNING ALONG WALL / PAN FROM GROUND TO WALL W / PALESTINIANS MOUNTING FLAG TO WALL / WS CROWD OF PALESTINIANS LEAVING AL AQSA MOSQUE / POLICEMEN WATCHING PALESTINIANS LEAVING / CROWD WALKING OUT MOSQUE COMPOUND 12:12:38 BREAK
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Dome of the Rock shrine; British troops interrogate Turkish prisoner of Ottoman Army in Palestine during World War I.
British troops in Palestine after the end of Ottoman rule during World War I. Mosques and minarets. Al Aqsa Mosque and view of Dome of the Rock Islamic shrine at Temple Mount in the Old City of Jerusalem. Australian soldiers on camels. A Turkish prisoner of the Ottoman Army is interrogated by British soldiers. The troops inspect a well destroyed by retreating Ottoman troops. Location: Palestine. Date: 1917.
Interview with Abu Zaiiad pt 1
00:19:19>>> ,ABU ZAIIAD: Abu Ziiad A-B-U hyphen Z-A-I-I-A-D INTERVIEWER: Where were you born and raised? 01:15:03>>>,ABU ZAIIAD:I was born in ah Bethany Jerusalem. And ah I had my education in Jerusalem and I have my law degree from Damascus University. INTERVIEWER: Have you ever traveled outside talk about where you've been? 01:36:09>>>,ABU ZAIIAD: Well I've been many places. In Europe and Africa the United States INTERVIEWER:What has been your experience with major events the 48 war the 67 war do you remember how that affected you personally? 01:58:05>>>,ABU ZAIIAD:Well yes the 67 war changed the direction of our lives. No one planned to do what he's doing now almost not everyone. I was planning to be a judge and a lawyer. Ended to be a journalist and a politician and to be involved in struggle against occupy and to be several times in and out Israeli jails. So you, you blame something but in 67 it changed, changed the whole direction of your life. INTERVIEWER:How did you become to be involved in the Palestinian struggle? 02:37:20>>> ,ABU ZAIIAD:Well we are under occupation and ah any Palestinian Palestinian believes that his duty is to contribute to the Palestinian national struggle against the Israeli occupation in the way which he can. So the struggle is not necessarily in violent methods. INAUDIBLE and different aspects and different INAUDIBLE because at the end as a people we have a target and our target is to put an end to the Israeli occupation and to live in peace and dignity like any other people in our own state. INTERVIEWER:How did you personally come to be involved in this in terms of your membership in it? 03:15:22>>> ABU ZAIIAD:Well I, I choose to be a journalist and to write and to influence and shaping the public opinion. and then expressing the feelings of the sufferings of my own people. INTERVIEWER:Did you join Arafat's action at some point? 03:35:13>>> ABU ZAIIAD: Well ah not, not really. I, I am identified with the mainstream and I was adopting views and ideas which later became the view, the views and the ideas of the mainstream. I was calling for the 2 states solution from the 70's long time ago before the PLO adopted this approach and started advocating the 2 state solution. I was involved in their law between the Israelis and the Palestinians for a long, long time. I studied Hebrew language immediately after the 67 war in Mahe and it was better than my English. And I have very frequent contacts and relations with the, the Israelis. So I was doing sort of things which many Palestinian were hesitant to do in the early 70's but later they became the main interest of many Palestinians in fact all the Palestinians. INTERVIEWER:INAUDIBLE 04:37:23>>> ABU ZAIIAD:Well before 1988 I was again I was in the field. I was in 86 I started Hebrew Palestinian publication called Geisha which means the bridge. And ah the aim of this newspaper was to speak to the Israelis in their own language and express to them the views of the Palestinian people. and also to show them the human side of the Palestinian people by transmitting different pieces of cancheta and literature and ah giving the chance to the Israeli readers to read about Palestinian canchecta INAUDIBLE literature. INTERVIEWER:What was your official title? 05:20:23>>> ABU ZAIIAD:Well at the moment I'm a member of a Palestinian legislative counsel. I was elected in the elections of 96 to represent Jerusalem district and the Palestinian parliament. We were supposed to have elections in the year 2000 because of the current situation we could not have the elections. We wanted to have them recently on the 20th of January this month but again we were not allowed to have them. I hope that very soon we'll have new elections. INTERVIEWER:The Oslo accords seemed very hopeful what happened why did that not get accepted? 06:01:12>>> ABU ZAIIAD:Well they were, they were hopeful. Many people thought the Oslo agreement would put an end to the Israeli occupation but unfortunately INAUDIBLE caused a permutation of these accords went through. INTERVIEWER:Talk more about the Oslo accords you're impression when you first got them? 06:25:02>>> ABU ZAIIAD:Well I'm thank you. I was happy. I was between ok now we are starting a process to, to put an end to the Israeli occupation and to live in peace along side Israel. But again the problem my opinion is not in them in the accords themselves. The problem was in the implementation. And the problem was that those who were responsible for the implementation they did not take into account there would be any INAUDIBLE in the accords and they will to undermine implementation of the Oslo accords. And therefore in front of the first test accords went to the difficulties and finally they were not implemented. INTERVIEWER:Tell me about the enemies of the Oslo accords. 07:08:09>>> ABU ZAIIAD:Well the enemies on the Oslo accords were on both sides. And they were on the Israel and the Palestinian side they were the fundamentalists who wanted to undermined the peace process who started in 94, 95 committing suicide attacks against Israelis. And the Israeli side it was again the fundamentalists and the fanatics erratic Jews who wanted to undermine ah the implementation of the Oslo accords. And there was the massacre in Hevron masque. And there was the assignation of Isaac Rubin. So there was a sort of a strange, strange alignment between the fanatics and the extremists on both sides. And they, and we, we should not have INAUDIBLE to these fanatics and allowed them to achieve their goal by stopping the implementation of these accords. INTERVIEWER:Does the Palestinian legislature speak for the whole Palestinian community? Does it only speak for those who are in the national camp? Who does it speak for? 08:17:11>>> ABU ZAIIAD:Well first of all there's the PLO Palestinian Liberation Organization which speaks on behalf of all Palestinians inside the occupied territories and outside the occupied territories. And secondly there's the Palestinian national authority which is in The West Bank and Gaza. And we were elected by our people in the West Bank and Gaza in a free and democratic election with the presence of more than one thousand foreign observers head by President Carter. So ah we claim that we represent the people. Now if INAUDIBLE want to see who will represent them now let's have elections and see who will represent them. now Hamas and jihad they claim that they have power and they have influence. And we tell them ok if you have power and influence let's go to elections and the elections will decide who is ah representative and who speaks on behalf of the people. INTERVIEWER:So do you speak on behalf of Palestinians who may also support Hamas and jihad? 09:16:09>>> ABU ZAIIAD:Well I was elected by Jerusalem district people to represent INAUDIBLE state which is about 400 thousand Palestinians 470 thousand Palestinians in the city of Jerusalem. And it went to 7 villages around ah Jerusalem. And I assume that I speak on behalf of these people. Now we can not deny or ignore the fact that during the recent defata there was a lot of changes political and social within the Palestinian people ah as a result of the defata, as a result of the Israeli practices, as of the Israeli practices and the Israeli oppression and the killings and the destruction of houses and all these collective punishment and restrictions that people became more militant and more angry against Israel and against the Israeli. And this caused also maybe up rise in the popularity of Hamas and jihad and other organizations. But I don't think that they represent the majority and I do believe that I still represent the majority. INTERVIEWER:Can you talk a little bit about Hamas and jihad what they are and what is the main difference between the party that you represent and Hamas and jihad? 10:44:04>>> ABU ZAIIAD:Well first of all we agree that extremists on both sides support each other and breed each other and encourage each other. And let's note also that there is a continued rise in the power of the religious INAUDIBLE inside Israel itself. And the growth of the religious Jews in the Israeli politics it makes some Palestinians believe that it's only by going back to religion and it's only by being religious we can confront with this phenomenon. And ah that's only by, by Islam against Islam against Judaism this conflict should be handled and should be sold. Now from my point of view as a nationalist, nationalist I think that this is very dangerous logic. Hamas was born during the first antefata in the late 80's and the early 90's. ah the first antefata Islamic movement start noticed that there is a very strong influence of the Palestinian national organizations and the resistance against Israeli occupation. So they established Hamas. 12:00:21>>> ABU ZAIIAD:And Hamas it is the first initials of hala -----(?) which means Islam make resistance movement. So Hamas haca salmia malcomo(?). ah that's how they were born. And gradually they started com, competing with the other national organizations and they also ah there is also the persons inside the Islamic movement themselves. There are some people who are but there are some people who are less extremist some people are extremists and there were there were other Islamic fascists like a jihad Islam which is more militant than Hamas. And they also started to function separately from ah Hamas. Now I would say that first of all in general the Islamic, the Palestinian peel are a people with an Islamic culture and an Islamic religious commitment. But this religious commitment it is not necessarily a fanatic ideological commitment. We believe in god and and go to the mosque and fast ah Ramadan but they don't go beyond that. and there is a hardcore of people who have a very strong militant ideology who believe that to be a real Muslim there must be a Islamic state. And therefore the struggle should be for an Islam state not for a national state. 13:23:18>>> ABU ZAIIAD:And some of them believe that the struggle should be to achieve an Islamic state in all Palestine. And they believe that Palestine is religious INAUDIBLE property of all the Muslims and allover the world. Now if you compare this ideology with the Jewish ideology you'll find it almost the same. That you'll find that the Jewish fanatics will tell you that this is the land of Israel that it's the property of the Jewish people and that they should not give back any, any part of this land to the Arabs. And you you hear the same argument when you speak with Islamic fundamentalists. Now for us we are not fundamentalists we are nationalists. We are moderate. We believe that this conflict should not be between 2 religions. Should not be between and Muslims. It's between Palestinians and Israelis. And because this conflict is between Israelis and Palestinians it should be solved on the basis of sharing. And if not sharing partitioning. 14:31:21>>> ABU ZAIIAD:So Palestine there are 2 people INAUDIBLE the Palestine people and the Israeli people . and if they can not share in one state and have a INAUDIBLE because the Israelis do not want they want a Jewish state therefore let us share the land and divide this country into 2 states the Palestine state along side Israel. Not in the state of Israel. So this is our approach and this is our problem that this conflict should be solved on the principal of the 2 state solution and there's no way practically speaking there's no way to to divide this country in a fair and just way because Israel's already created over 78% of the total area of geographic Palestine INAUDIBLE Palestine and therefore to be pragmatic and realistic we accept to have a state on 22% of the total area of Palestine which is the West Bank and Gaza and east Jerusalem. The problem here is that there are Israeli elements who do not accept this INAUDIBLE. Who believe that ok they took in 48 78% of the land and now they want to share with us the remaining 22%. And this approach is totally rejected from our side. It's for us it is a concession to accept Israel and the borders of 67 which means that we are giving the Israelis 78% of the total area of Palestine and therefore they must be satisfied with that percentage and make peace with us on the principal of withdrawal from all the occupied territories of 67 according to resolution 242 including east Jerusalem and having ah real peaceful relation between the 2 peoples. INTERVIEWER:You said this is the pragmatic concession what would be the ideal if they could go back and have what they really want? 16:26:15>>> ABU ZAIIAD:I told you what we want now we want to see end to this occupation to have resolution 242 and 338 and Israel must withdrawal from all the occupied territories of 67 and there must be a fair and just solution to the refugees problem the Palestinian refugees of 48. of course we understand and we realize that it's not practical to allow all the Palestinian refugees to go back to their homes because in this case this will influence the demographic balance inside Israel and maybe it will loose its identity as a Jewish state. But we say ok these refugees they have the right to go back to their homes and lands but if they are practical difficulties and barriers and obstacles on the ground which will not enable them or allow them to go back to their homes and their lands let us sit together on the table and negotiate how we can solve this problem. INTERVIEWER:You talk about the partitioning and the sharing it sounds a lot like the partition plan that many people say was proposed by the United Nations. 17:30:06>>> ABU ZAIIAD:Well the partition of land of 47 ah gives the Palestinians more than they want they are accepting now. so and the Israelis will not accept the partition plan. We will be very happy if there's any chance to implement the partition plan but we know that the Israelis will not accept the partition plan. So we are less ah we're accepting less. We say ok if you don't want the partitioned land lets go to the situation now. now there is the West Bank and Gaza and east Jerusalem occupied in 67 get out of them. you want the Jewish to stay get out of them keep your Jewish majority within the borders of 67 and let us have our state in this area. INTERVIEWER:Your ancestors opposed the partition plan? 18:21:04>>> ABU ZAIIAD:No, no no we INAUDIBLE but in 48 they opposed the partition plan because at that time it wasn't fair. And if you, if you go back to the statistics in 40, in 47 the Palestinians represented 27% of the population. And they owned 93% of the land. They were given 47% of the land. For them this is unfair because they own 93% you give them 47%. They are the 2/3's of the population you don't care about them. you give the majority of the land to 1/3 of the population which originally owns less than 7% of the land. So they oppose it. I don't know if I, I myself was living in 47 I don't know if I would have supported the partition of land or not because always you take the decisions according to the circumstances existing at the time of making the decision. You can not be wise after things happen. You may buy, buy the lotto and you miss the first prize with one number then you say I wish, I wish I had 7 instead of 6. It can't happen that way. so in 47 the circumstances were different. We did not accept the partition land because we thought that it's unfair to take our country and give it to foreigns coming from Europe. 19:43:02>>> ABU ZAIIAD:We could not understand why should we compensate the Jews for the nazi crimes which were against them. we were not part of this crimes against the humanity and against the Jews. So why should we pay the price for the nazis. We lived with the Jews in this country as a bothers along the history. We could not understand why the Jews come from Russia or from Ukrainian or other countries in Europe come here. For us they were foreigners. They were totally different than the Jews who were living here for centuries and we were with them as one people. We don't have problem. We did not have any problems with the Jews that were living with us. We had the problems with the newcomers who came here to colonize our country. So this was the confrontation between us and them.,INTERVIEWER:You supported Jewish living here but not a Jewish state?,20:34:05>>> ,ABU ZAIIAD:With the Jews that were living here they were Arab Jews. We considered them as fellow citizens. We did not have any problems with them. the confrontation between the Arabs and the Jews it started only with the Zionist movement and with immigration of the Jews from Europe and other countries to this area INTERVIEWER:Would you have supported a state of Israel perhaps on a smaller size back then? 20:56:07>>> ABU ZAIIAD:Well I don't, I don't, I don't know but I'm talking about the realities. For me now Israel is a reality. The Israeli people are a reality and I deal with reality. I understand they want the Jewish state. Ok let them have their Jewish state but they should let me live here in peace or dignity or get out of my country. I can not understand how to put together the demand of Israel to have a Jewish majority and to be a Jewish state. And then the same time they want to continue to occupy the Palestinian territories and have more than 3 million Palestinians under their control. Which in 10, 15, 20 years will be the majority. And our number will out number the Jews in 15 years. What are they going to do with us. Where is their democracy. Where is their what they call the Jewish principals of Judaism. Where is it. Does it allow them to majority under their control and exploit the majority of the Palestinians for the benefit of Jewish monitory. This is not acceptable and therefore we tell them if you want democracy and you want a Jewish state you must withdrawal from occupied territories. Leave us to live alone in a state of Palestinian majority. INTERVIEWER:What are some of the similarities between Hamas jihad and your party what do you still have in common? 22:23:01>>> ABU ZAIIAD:Well we, we I told you we have a different program than they do. but in the same time I know there are Hamas INTERVIEWER:Say we have a different program than 22:30:25>>> ABU ZAIIAD:Yes we want the 2 state solution. they say they want an Islamic state in all Palestine. But in the same time I know that there are practical and pragmatic leaders even within Hamas itself whom if there is any real ah chance for an Israeli full withdrawal from the West Bank and Gaza east Jerusalem they will accept this as a solution. They will stop their their war their fight against the Israelis. INTERVIEWER:The polls for center for Palestine research and studies has shown a rising support 70% for suicide bombing among Palestinians? 23:16:10>>> ABU ZAIIAD:Well I told you in, in the beginning that peel as a result of the last 2 years became more militant and more angry from the Israelis. Now there's always a difference between if you speak from your stomach or speak from you head. Now when you start talking to people they are very angry whether Israelis or the Palestinians. If you go and see what what are the public polls on the Israel side. You will find that over 73% 80% support all the actions which Sharon government was doing against the Palestinians. But in the same time almost the same percentage will support the solution and ah the 2 state solution between the Israelis and the Palestinians. The same results on the Palestinian side. So in, in, in both sides people are very strongly emotionally offended and very angry and they, they show very extreme positions. But if you tell them that there is real chance for a solution immediately they will give you a different answer. INTERVIEWER:Would such a freeze on Jewish immigration end the violence? 24:39:26>>> ABU ZAIIAD:Well the problem is I mean this is part of the problem. You need, you need to show the Palestinians a political horizon. Even if we agree now to stop shooting at the Israelis and they agree to stop shooting at us and they go back to their position of September 2000 this, this could be only the beginning. But the people here they are fed up of the Israeli occupation and they want to see where, where they are going. And to see where they are going they need to see the light. They need to know that on the horizon there is a Palestinian state. President Bush in his speech in June 2000 he spoke about his further vision of the solution 2 states along side each other, democracy, prosperity so on and so and so. We need, we need a vehicle we need a mechanism and the plan to take us to that vision. So here what is needed is to tell the people ok you have suffered much you have suffered a lot now we will do to that point. And tell them where them where they are going. This will change totally the climate and the atmosphere on both sides. INTERVIEWER:In august 2000 Barak called for an end of conflict and there was much opposition? What's wrong with we end the conflict once and for all? 26:16:10>>> ABU ZAIIAD:Well listen we want to end the conflict. Ehud Barak he was more courageous then any former Israeli prime minister. He made a few courageous steps for but what he suggested in Camp David wasn't enough to make a solution. We came back and we tried to, to continue the negotiations in Taba. And both sides were almost signing an agreement and then Ehud Barak decided that one week before the elections he can not sign the agreement because he don't believe that he's authorized to do that. And asked he postponed everything until after the elections. and of course he lost the elections so what was concluded in taba had never came to practice. INTERVIEWER:Is there anything wrong with an agreement that we officially end the conflict with Israel forever? 27:11:04>>> ABU ZAIIAD:Well if you want to end the conflict you want to know on which basis on which grounds. There are some substantial issues which we need to know what is the proposed solution for these issues. You can not end the conflict without without solving the problem of Palestinian refugees. You can not end the conflict without solving the problem of Jerusalem. And there are such substantial issues that we need, we need them to be in the package. I believe, I believe that there is a chance of a package deal between the Palestinians and the Israelis. I think that President Bush made a great mistake by not resuming and continuing the American efforts to conclude a settlement. If you remember between the year 96 and 2000 almost 5 years there were no suicide attacks against the Israelis. There was no violence from the side of the Palestinians. If you ask yourself why I tell you it is because the Palestinians during that period had the feeling that the American administration is involved and that the Americans are working hard to achieve a settlement and that all the Israeli practices in the Palestinian territories are temporary and they did not and we don't care about what they are building because at the end there will be an agreement. 28:25:11>>> ABU ZAIIAD:But in the year 2000 when, when everything was lost and the American administration distanced itself and Bush put the whole issue aside then this contributed much to the escalation in the confrontation between the Palestinians and the Israelis. So we believe that Bush administration must again be involved and make real serious efforts to to achieve peace here. I believe that, I believe that in the last in the last 2 years 2 ½ years the Palestinians and the Israelis have paid a very heavy price for this conflict. And both sides are more mature and more ah ready to conclude a deal between the two sides. INTERVIEWER:The initial commission said their was no one effect started the current Al Aqsa brigade? 29:17:29>>> ABU ZAIIAD:Yes of course there was an accumulated, accumulated frustration on the Palestinian side. And and the Palestinians were seeing their lands taken and ah their hope is fading and dying and the Israelis are doing what they want. and when at the end they found out all, all these talks about peace are a myth. So they passed out in anger and frustration. And the Israelis instead of understanding that this is a political conflict and that only by political means it could be solved. They used, used excessive power to crush the Palestinian resistance. To crush the Palestinian will and of course they failed because by military power they're not they can not force our people to go back to their knees. We believe that we have a legitimate right. We believe that we went to live in peace and dignity like any other people. And we will continue our struggle until we achieve that. we die not against the state of Israel or not against the Israeli people we are against the Israeli occupation. INTERVIEWER:What is the Al Aqusa martyr brigade? 30:32:18>>> ABU ZAIIAD:Well it is ah INTERVIEWER:Please say Al Aqusa martyr brigade. 30:41:10>>> ABU ZAIIAD:First of all Al Aqusa brides they are not brigades in the meaning of the word brigades because they don't have hierarchy they don't have ah officers and leaders and divisions and all these organizational bodies. Any small group or Palestinian resistance they can claim themselves that they are part of the Aqusa brigades and they will implement activities here and there or attacks here and there. There's no one who has control over all these people all over the occupied territories. The deteriorating situation on the ground is giving power to these people. And I think that more the time goes on the more it's difficult to put these people under control but in the same time most of these people are identified themselves with the fata movement and if there will be a positive change in the political area they will listen to the voices coming from the leaders of the fatidic movement and and behave accordingly. INTERVIEWER:Does the fatic movement able to tell them make suicide bombs or don't make bombs? 31:52:29>>> ABU ZAIIAD:No no I don't think there is anyone who have direct full control on these peel but the developments can judge and can influence their behavior. INTERVIEWER:The Israelis would say why negotiate if Arafat does not have control over these people? 32:14:23>>> ABU ZAIIAD:Well the Israelis are responsible because they were fighting against Arafat. They destroyed the Palestinian security organizations. The destroyed infrastructure of the Palestinian authority and they made Arafat unable to fight extremists under the INAUDIBLE and now they he is not fighting against them. it's, it's ridiculous that any time there was an attack or operation then by Hamas they go and shoot at Arafat headquarters and kill Palestinian leaders. Leaders who are identified with the fata with the Palestinian authority. They destroyed Palestinian organizations. They destroyed the compound of the protective security which was effectively trying to, to ah fight against the extremists and put them under control. INTERVIEWER:Would you say that Hamas and jihad are enemies of fata? 33:05:21>>> ABU ZAIIAD:No, no, no the are not enemies of, of fata. INTERVIEWER:Who's not enemies? 33:09:16>>> ABU ZAIIAD:They're enemies of the fata has Israeli occupation. And so does the Hamas or the jihad. The Hamas or the jihad they see themselves as fighting against Israeli occupation side by side with the fata. The moment that there will be real chance for a compromise then the political leadership will try to put all parties under control. As long as there is no chance there is no hope so why should you fight against your own people. INTERVIEWER:What is the magical formula that is Israel did A B C D E it could end the conflict? 33:49:17>>> ABU ZAIIAD:I think Israel must make a state of intentions saying that they have no intention to keep any part of the West Bank and east Jerusalem under their control and that they are ready to withdrawal to the borders of 67 if the Palestinians do 1,2,3,4 and tell us what they want from us. INTERVIEWER:The weapons coming in from Iran this was very alarming to Americans because it looked like militants knocked diplomatic means? 34:32:00>>> ABU ZAIIAD:Well first of all the whole issue is a very controversial issue there are no really clear evidence who, who was financing, who was carrying where it was going. At the same time we are engaged in confrontation the Israelis and Palestinians. The Israelis are buying weapons the Palestinians are buying weapons. The main market where the Palestinians buy weapons from is Israel itself. They are the main source of weapons to the Palestinian. It was more than one time Israelis caught attempts or disclosed attempts from some Israelis to smuggle weapons and ammunition to the Palestinians. The under ground in Israel they were the main sources of supplying the Palestinians. You have money they are ready to bring you whatever you want you just give the order. Tell them what you need they will get you what you need if you pay the price they want. INTERVIEWER:Israelis? 35:29:07>>> ABU ZAIIAD:Yes yes this is not a secret. And if you go to Israeli media see how many stories were disclosed, how many people were involved. Even soldiers selling their weapons to the Israelis. There is a settlement near Hevron which is the main supplier of weapons to the Palestinians in the area of Hevron. And I'm not telling you secrets it's in the Israel media.