BILL CLINTON W/ CHELSEA AT DARTMOUTH COLLEGE IN NH
[BILL CLINTON W/ CHELSEA AT DARTMOUTH COLLEGE IN NH]
[HANOVER, NH USA]
FTG OF PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE SENATOR HILLARY CLINTON'S (D-NY) HUSBAND BILL AND DAUGHTER CHELSEA SPEAKING AT DARTMOUTH COLLEGE IN HANOVER, NEW HAMPSHIRE
I don't understand why Lou Dobbs is against this and keeps calling this amnesty. A conservative ought to be for giving undocumented immigrants a path to citizenship, because it's the only way of identifying who's in this country.
So, for example, let's just -- suppose we said, OK, for the next six months, every undocumented immigrant can sign up and do what Hillary, Senator McCain -- he's the only Republican, I think, for this -- and most of our crowd says, let them -- you know, they have to move behind all the people who have legally applied for citizenship, take English classes, pay a small fine, and then they become eligible to be citizens.
If 11,950,000 people sign up, it is much easier to find the terrorist needle in a haystack of 50,000 than in a haystack of 12 million. Someone ought to ask Tancredo and Lou Dobbs and all these people why they don't agree with that.
They keep talking about amnesty, amnesty, amnesty. These people are here working, doing things. We need to know who's here. She favors that.
She thinks it may be necessary to lift the quotas, to have higher quotas in some areas, and it is also then important, once you do all this, to really enforce the workplace laws, because there are places -- and we know them. We've got plenty of evidence on this.
I live in a county where immigrants do jobs that other people wouldn't do and in a county where immigrants have been abused in the workplace so they could be paid less and American citizens wouldn't have to be paid more.
In other words, I've seen both sides of this. And so it's very important that if we have immigration reform, we then go back and enforce the workplace laws. Otherwise, you're going to have a lot of tension between people at the lower wage levels and ethnic tensions among African-Americans and Hispanics, for example, and others that we're not doing the right thing by the law.
So we have to have a comprehensive solution and I think it's the fairest one.
QUESTION: (OFF-MIKE) more diplomatic in its relations with other countries. So how do you reconcile that with Hillary's vote, I think in 2007, to declare Iran's national guard a terrorist organization?
CLINTON: Oh, because I think it is. First, it is, as a factual matter. First, it is. And, secondly, we now know, we have evidence that keeping the economic heat on Iran works.
The latest National Intelligence Estimate says they stopped trying to develop a nuclear weapon in 2003. You remember that? It just came out. And that they stopped it, in part, because they're trying to avoid economic sanctions.
No serious person thought that that was any kind of a red light to attack Iran and I have evidence. Remember, who was the sponsor of the Iran legislation that Hillary voted for? Senator Carl Levin, who was also the sponsor of the anti-authorization Iraq bill.
That is, there were two competing Iraq resolutions. One, contrary to popular belief, did not authorize the president to attack Iraq, regardless. It authorized the president to use force if Iraq flunked the sanctions, if they didn't cooperate.
The other by Levin, who turned out to be prescient, said "I understand why you need the pressure to get him to cooperate, but I don't really trust the president. So he can't use force until he comes back. If they flunk the sanctions, tell him to come back to the Congress for an authorization to use force."
So Levin -- that's where Levin's coming from. He never would have offered a resolution that would have been a backdoor way to justify an attack on Iran.
It was just a question of whether you believe that a part of our diplomacy with Iran is tightening economic sanctions when they're doing things that are against our values and interest and against international law.
QUESTION: (OFF-MIKE) Hillary and anything she's said or done so far.
CLINTON: I don't think it's changed her platform, but I think she'll have to run as the underdog for a while now, which is good. It ought to be hard to get to be president. It ought to be hard for everybody. It's good.
I didn't win a -- I didn't win a single...
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You know, and I didn't like it when people wrote up and acted like she was entitled to be nominated. She never did. As I told you, I told her a year ago, January a year ago, the nomination will be hard and you win the general election handily if you get nominated.
I still believe that. But the real problem for us is I think it was a real disadvantage in New Hampshire because you get a 17-to-24 imbalance out of winning Iowa in New Hampshire. In New Hampshire, I'd like to believe they're independent, but the truth is they're influenced by the news.
And it was a really unfortunate development for her that New Hampshire moved its election to five days after Iowa. If you'd stayed further back, which would have put you closer to Nevada and South Carolina, I think that it would have been better for her, because I think she got the -- the election finally -- we had our first thing that resembled almost a real debate in the New Hampshire debate.
It was the first time there were any distinctions drawn. It was, from my point of view, better than any of the ones we had before. But I think what she has to do is just to be fair, to get out there and keep running.
Let me remind you -- and I think she's picked up a lot in the last two days. I can just feel it. But there's just only so much you can do against the tidal wave of listening. In New Hampshire-ites, as I said, you might think they're making independent judgments, but you can't help but be affected by the press.
And I think that what she needs to do is to remember that this is a long process, and so do the others. I mean, I lost, I got murdered in Iowa, where I didn't even compete, because they had an Iowa Senator running. Then I lost New Hampshire, but I finished second. Then I lost Maine and finished third. Then I lost South Dakota and finished third.
Then I lost in Colorado and finished second by a point. Then I lost in Maryland and finished second by a few points. I did not win -- and how many states have I gone through? Seven, six. My first victory was in Georgia. Then I won in South Carolina. Then I only lost in Connecticut from then on in. But even after months later, I lost a primary in Connecticut.
So this is going to be a long process and you just have to be willing to -- if you believe you'd be the best president when you run, you know the outcome is uncertain, you'll have ups and downs, and you just have to believe it.
But I think that the thing that I think she will regret that I always did is when you move out of the early states, you don't give as much time to do things like this, which I think are very good.
QUESTION: (OFF-MIKE)
CLINTON: Oh, that's very important. She said what else can we do to help New Orleans after Katrina. First of all, I work down there now with my foundation and we're trying to help the people like Brad Pitt's project build green houses and I've funded two schools that can be rebuilt as green schools.
I'm trying to convince the people of New Orleans that if they made a serious commitment to be a completely green city, I could get them billions of dollars of investment, which I believe, and it would change things.
So she has spent a lot of time down there independent of me and, in the beginning, they were just trying to get all the funds allocated. But there's still a lot of problems with the way the federal money that has already been appropriated has not been released and why.
So the first thing I think she will do is to have somebody go down there, work with the city and the state, have a coordinator and figure out how to move this money in a way that is as quickly as possible, but maximally effective.
In every disaster, this was true in the tsunami in South Asia, where I worked for two years with the U.N., in every disaster, the most difficult thing is getting people back in their housing. But it's too slow.
So what she wants to do is to help them, but to also help them in ways that promotes sustainable development so we can develop a whole different sector of the New Orleans economy.
Then she believes that we should have some effort to restore the wetlands, because keep in mind, when the water broke coming up that channel, if the wetlands south of New Orleans had been in the same condition they were 30 years earlier, the water would have been traveling at a speed half as fast and the gates might never have broken and most of the damage might never have been done.
So she believes there needs to be a serious effort there. And then along the Gulf Coast, some of the barrier islands and sandbars have been severely eroded in front of the towns in Alabama and Mississippi, too, and she thinks that's an area of traditional federal responsibility, environmental restoration that we have not been sufficiently active in.
QUESTION: You talked that Hillary Clinton polls very well in foreign countries, but most of those countries want money from us. And how do we know that Hillary Clinton isn't going to go to Washington and give away billions of our tax dollars?
CLINTON: Well, the ones I mentioned are all countries that don't want any money from us. Europe and Canada we don't give foreign aid to.
But for whatever it's worth, the United States gives the smallest percentage of its income in foreign aid of any wealthy country in the world. We give less than everybody else at a time when we know more than we have ever known about how to effectively give assistance to poor countries, which helps us and reduces future problems.
If you educate people and you get rid of disease and you empower people economically in really poor countries, you make more friends and you have fewer wars in the future. It's as good thing to do.
Since you mentioned it, I will tell you, again, in the spirit of full disclosure, I think she is the only candidate that has recommended spending a few billion dollars to pay more than our fair share of putting the 130 million children in the world who never go to school into primary school, and you should support that.
Why? Because one year of schooling in a poor country is worth 10 percent a year in extra income for life and because the world's population is now slated to grow from its current level of 6.5 billion to nine billion by mid-century.
That's the same 40-year -- three-year period when all the rest of us are supposed to figure out how to reduce our greenhouse gases by 80 percent. It's going to be harder.
The only thing we can do consistent with our values that unite people who are pro-choice and pro-life and all of that to stop that is to put all the girls of the world in school and give all the young women access to the labor market and it will cause...
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... I promise you, over a 20-year period, we'll save a fortune doing this. It will cause people to marry at later ages and to have their first children at later ages and to have smaller families and that will reduce dramatically the burden on the planet of managing this whole climate change thing.
QUESTION: Recently, there's been a fair amount of discussion about what some say is undue influence of the Israeli lobby in Washington and how that negatively impacts the United States and, some people say, Israel, as well.
How would Hillary -- would Hillary Clinton change that or continue?
CLINTON: Well, I think, first, there are people who don't like Israel who always say that and it is true that we are a staunch ally of theirs and committed to their security.
I think we make a mistake if we back every decision the Israeli government makes and that seemed to be President Bush's policy for a few years. But in fairness to them, they have reconvened the peace talks and they have shown some willingness to publicly pressure the Israelis not to expand settlements in the territories that will have to be given back to the Palestinians if we're ever going to have peace.
I don't see it that way, though. I have to tell you, there's a reason that I made so much progress for seven years in peace between the Israelis and the Palestinians. It's only because the United States -- because the Israelis believe that the United States cares profoundly whether we survive or not that we have the credibility with them to persuade them to make the concessions necessary to give the Palestinians a homeland and a decent life.
I remember one time the president of one of the European countries called me after I left office and he said, "Tell me what I can do now in the Middle East." I said, "Well, we're old friends. Shall I tell you the truth or what you want to hear?"
He said, "Tell me the truth." I said, "There's nothing you can do." He said, "Why?" I said, "Because the Israelis do not believe you care whether they live or die." And the United States has influence in the Middle East and can stand up for the Palestinians because the Israelis believe that we care whether they live or die.
And so I think that it's important for us to be able to disagree with particular decisions of the Israeli government, but our security relationship with them and our commitment to them is what gives us a chance to make a deal for the Palestinians, and we have to do it. It should have been done already, but we've got a better chance now because all of the Sunni Arab states desperately want peace with Israel.
They desperately want a political, military and security partnership with them, because they're more worried about Iran and they don't need the Israelis as a whipping boy to jump up in their own population anymore.
So I agree with you, we have to be sensitive about this, but I just don't agree with that, the general idea that the United States government is in the hip pocket of the Israeli lobby. I think that Harry Truman was the first world leader to recognize the existence of the state of Israel. Israel was created by the United Nations and, therefore, even though the U.N. is often against Israel's political positions, they, too, have a right to exist.
And the fact that we are prepared to protect that right gives us a leverage that we ought to use and we should use always, we should have been using in the years when President Bush got out of it, to push for peace and a fair deal for the Palestinians.
They have been the most abused people on earth by their own leaders and by the other Arabs and, on occasion, by the Israelis, as well. Nobody's given them a break and we need to.
Yes, the gentleman in the green suit, and then I've got to quit. I got a note here that says "Take another question and tell everyone you're going to Thayer Dining Hall to see all the people that couldn't get in here."
QUESTION: Thanks. One of the things that Senator Obama talks about a lot is judgment and I'm curious to hear your thoughts on the recent criticism of Mark Penn, who is Hillary's chief strategist, who's been criticized for being somewhat out of touch with reality.
For instance, he circulated a memo about Iowa, saying "Where's the balance," and then the next day, there was a 12-point jump for Obama.
CLINTON: He was wrong. He was wrong about that, because the balance always occurs on the second day, not the first day. It always occurs on the second day, not the first day.
But since you raised the judgment issue, let's go over this again. That is the central argument for his campaign. "It doesn't matter that I started running for president less than a year after I got to the Senate from the Illinois state senate. I am a great speaker and a charismatic figure and I am the only one that had the judgment to oppose this floor from the beginning, always, always, always."
First, it is factually not true that everybody that supported that resolution supported Bush attacking Iraq before the U.N. inspectors withdrew. Chuck Hagel was one of the co-authors of that resolution, the only Republican Senator that always opposed the war, every day, from the get-go.
He authored the resolution to say that Bush could go to war only if they didn't cooperate with the inspectors and he was assured personally by Condi Rice, as many of the other Senators were. So, first, the case is wrong that way.
Second, it is wrong that Senator Obama got to go through 15 debates trumpeting his superior judgment and how he had been against the war in every year, enumerating the years and never got asked one time, not once, "Well, how could you say that when you said in 2004 you didn't know how you would have voted on the resolution? You said in 2004 there was no difference between you and George Bush on the war and you took that speech you're now running on off your Web site in 2004 and there's no difference in your voting record and Hillary's ever since."
Give me a break.
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This whole thing is the biggest fairy tale I've ever seen. So you can talk about Mark Penn all you want. What did you think about the Obama thing, calling Hillary the "Senator from Punjab?" Did you like that? Or what about the Obama handout that was covered up, the press never reported on, implying that I was a crook, scouring me, scathing criticism over my financial reports.
Ken Starr spent $70 million and indicted innocent people to find out that I wouldn't take a nickel to see the cow jump over the moon. So you can take a shot at Mark Penn if you want, it wasn't his best day. He was hurt, he felt badly we didn't do better in Iowa.
But, you know, the idea that one of these campaigns is positive and other is negative, when I know the reverse is true and I have seen it and I have been blistered by it for months, is a little tough to take. Just because of the sanitizing coverage that's in the media doesn't mean the facts aren't out there.
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Otherwise, I do not have any strong feelings about that subject.
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Go ahead. I've got to take a question back here and then I -- go ahead.
QUESTION: (OFF-MIKE)
CLINTON: He said there's a problem with ethanol because you always have pesticide runoffs and some people believe it's not a net positive in carbon emissions.
Actually, I've ready every bit of the data I can on this, because I'm, as I told you, heavily involved in this.
I believe it is a net positive, but not a very good one. It's about two-to-one net. The United States would be far better off, even the corn farmers in the middle west would be better off producing ethanol from cellulosic substances. That is, basically, the residue from harvesting crops, switch grass, fast growing willows in upstate New York and other places, any kind of organic material.
That will produce four gallons of ethanol for every one gallon of gasoline. The problem is you have to use an enzyme process to turn the organic material into a sugar-like substance to make it into ethanol and the enzyme conversion process is more than twice as expensive today.
But you're right, if, like -- let's take all these Iowa ethanol plants that have been built, for example. They can all be converted to cellulosic ethanol and they're even beginning to build them now there.
If you do that, what will happen is it will moderate corn prices, which will be good. You will plant more wheat, which will good, and more land will be put into conservation reserve, which will be good.
But there are tradeoffs here that we're going to have to work through all over the world. The best ethanol in the world for conversion purposes is Brazilian sugar cane. It's eight gallons of ethanol for every one gallon, but the demand for it has gotten so high now, they're taking down land in the Atlantic rain forest, not in Amazonia, but in the Atlantic rain forest, which is terrible because it undermines the biodiversity of the planet and tropical rain forests absorb far more greenhouse gases that forests in New Hampshire, we know, the closer you get.
So it's something that we're all just going to have to work through and it may be that there'll have to be some legislation on this at some point, but we are so far from where we need to be, I think that the thing we should work on and one of the things Hillary has proposed is that we increase the tax differential for cellulosic ethanol and increase the research budget to get the cost down so that we make it economical now to do. If we do that, I think that would address a lot of your concerns.
The other thing is that until we get to a hydrogen vehicle, and I've actually been in one, but we can't make them for less than quarter of a million bucks, they're safe now and they're good and you can run in them, but the best thing we can do is to move as quickly as possible to electric plug-in hybrids, which would use biofuels and electricity.
How many people have a hybrid vehicle here, anybody? Well, you can drive it to 25 or 30 miles an hour on the battery and then it switches to gas. So they'll get -- like, I've got a mini-SUV that we drive around, it's about 40 miles to the gallon in the city.
Once you get a battery that is strong enough to last all day, that will drive it at 60 miles a gallon, then you're getting 100 miles a gallon. If you get to 50 miles a gallon, then you're not probably going to get to 100 miles a gallon.
There are several of these experimental vehicles now being driven in the United States getting 100 miles a gallon and you bring them in at night and plug them in and it's all you have to do.
That's really where we ought to go. The problem is the lithium batteries are very powerful, but we haven't figured out how to produce them at a cost where you can afford to buy the cars. But we'll get there pretty soon.
That I think is the biggest, best near-term solution and it's very important. Keep in mind, 70 percent of all the oil in this country is used for transportation and you don't need any of it to get around. Next time you get in the car, you remember that.
The only place we need oils today is to fly around in jet airplanes. Nobody's figured out how to lift a heavy airplane off the ground and fly it a long way at a fast speed without jet diesel fuel.
Every other use of oil to move is optional. So we need to do more rail, more fast rail. We need to do more electric hybrid. We need to move to all this.
But there's so little of this ethanol production now, it's not a problem, but if that became our main source of clean fuels, it would be a real problem.
And so what you're basically doing is raising a warning flag that should move us into the cellulosic ethanol and into the electric hybrid vehicles as soon as possible.
I'm sorry, I've got to go. Thank you. I hope you'll vote for Hillary tomorrow. Thanks.
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