Unissued / unused footage - dates and locations may be unclear / unknown. <br/> <br/>Location of events unknown. <br/> <br/>C/Us of Melvyn Belli (a lawyer?) being interviewed. He talks of the kinds of cases his firm takes on - those that attract a lot of publicity. Interviewer mentions soldiers and "the Jack Rubies of the world". Interviewer says that Belli has a reputation of getting away with murder in the courtroom and Belli talks of acting in a dignified manner in court. <br/> <br/>Interviewer mentions the case of Jack Ruby and Lee Harvey Oswald and asks if that was the most fascinating case Belli took on. Belli talks of looking bad during the case. He mentions the Lee Shepherd (?) case, and mentions clamping down on pre-trial publicity. He talks of Richard Nixon saying Manson (Charles?) is guilty and predicts the outcome of the remark. Interviewer asks what is Manson's chance on trial when the President has made the remark. Belli says he will get a conviction, sentenced to death, it will be reversed, he'll be brought back and re-trialed and by then capital punishment will be outlawed in the United States. Belli talks of the Sirhan case. <br/> <br/>Asked if there is a case he would not take on, Belli says that the right to watch a dirty film or see a topless is the same right that one day may give you a right to go into a church of your choosing. He says if you're going to be a lawyer you can't be a moralist.

Yoko Ono and John Lennon press conference for the opening of Ono’s first museum show, This Is Not Here, featuring work by her, John Lennon and other Fluxus artists, at the Everson Museum of Art, Syracuse, NY. Yoko Ono and John Lennon field a question about Charles Manson.

INTV W/ CHARLES MANSON AT CORCORAN PRISON IN CORCORAN, CALIFORNIA FOR A DIANE SAWYER CS VO FOR TURNING POINT ON THE MANSON WOMEN: INSIDE THE MURDERS

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MASS MURDERER CHARLES MANSON IS MAKING MONEY WHILE HE SITS IN PRISON, THANKS TO ROYALTY DEALS CUT WITH HIM, AND THAT HAS SOME PEOPLE VERY ANGRY.

00:00:00:00 Guests: Leslie Van Houten, Paul Van Houten, John Markham, Vincent Bugliosi, Patty Tate. (0:00) /

INTV W/ CHARLES MANSON AT CORCORAN PRISON IN CORCORAN, CALIFORNIA FOR A DIANE SAWYER CS VO FOR TURNING POINT ON THE MANSON WOMEN: INSIDE THE MURDERS

Charles Manson says that he never murdered anyone.

/n00:00:00:00 /n06-10-00 RE-AIR OF 08-10-94 SHOW W LESLIE VAN HOUTEN, JOHN MARKHAM, BINCENT BUGLIOSI, PATTY TATE. NO ACTUAL TAPE EXISTS FOR 6/10/00 SHOW--USE LKL2368 OR LKW300 /n (0:00)/ /n

Charles Manson says that killing people causes him no remorse.

RUMORS OF A LOVE FESTIVAL HAVE CIRCULATED IN MIDDLE TENNESSEE FOR YEARS.. THIS UNDERCOVER VIDEO SHOWS US.. WHAT IS AND ISN'T HAPPENING.

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/n00:00:00:00 sil aerial video of packed stadium in Philadelphia, CUs of some weird fans and LS of Stones on stage // Fox Hollywood Theater has contest: ab (:40) girls parading around in jeans with tr ...

INTV W/ CHARLES MANSON AT CORCORAN PRISON IN CORCORAN, CALIFORNIA FOR A DIANE SAWYER CS VO FOR TURNING POINT ON THE MANSON WOMEN: INSIDE THE MURDERS

At a press conference outside Charles Manson's trial, prosecutor Vincent Bugliosi says Manson blames society for his troubles with the law.

INTV W/ CHARLES MANSON AT CORCORAN PRISON IN CORCORAN, CALIFORNIA FOR A DIANE SAWYER CS VO FOR TURNING POINT ON THE MANSON WOMEN: INSIDE THE MURDERS

Defense attorney Paul Fitzgerald states his opposition to the death penalty.

&lt;p>&lt;b>**SEE JL-110TU FOR SCRIPT**&lt;/b>&lt;/p>\n&lt;p>&lt;/p>\n&lt;p>Changes the characterization of Newsom action to not challenging Van Houten's parole. &lt;/p>\n&lt;p>#NEWS: CA: Nephew of one of the victims of Mason family 'strongly, vehemently, disagree' with Gov. Newsom's decision to not block Van Houten's parole &lt;/p>\n&lt;p>&lt;/p>\n&lt;p>&lt;/p>\n&lt;p>From CNN's Michelle Watson &lt;/p>\n&lt;p>&lt;/p>\n&lt;p>A family member of Jay Sebring who was murdered by the Manson family disagrees with California Governor Gavin Newsom's (D) office to not block parole for Leslie Van Houten, a former follower of Charles Manson. &lt;/p>\n&lt;p>&lt;/p>\n&lt;p>Van Houten, a convicted murderer, was released from a California prison on Tuesday, a prison spokesperson told CNN. &lt;/p>\n&lt;p>&lt;/p>\n&lt;p>"I certainly have respect for Governor Newsom and the attorney general," Anthony DiMaria, nephew of Sebring said in an interview with CNN's Laura Coates Tuesday night. "But our families strongly, vehemently, disagree with their decision not to file an appeal." &lt;/p>\n&lt;p>&lt;/p>\n&lt;p>DiMaria called Van Houten, now in her 70s, a "cold blooded killer in one of the most notorious murder rampages in United States history," and said her release sets a "dangerous pernicious precedent," that "profoundly impacts," his family. &lt;/p>\n&lt;p>&lt;/p>\n&lt;p>"With her release now, any other violent criminal or killer whose crimes fall beneath the bar of Leslie Van Houten's very extreme … crimes that also have historical impact, that opens the door for them and it is our fear that the floodgates in the California penal system will be unhinged." &lt;/p>\n&lt;p>&lt;/p>\n&lt;p>DiMaria's uncle Jay Sebring was celebrity hair stylist. He was killed in August of 1969. &lt;/p>\n&lt;p>&lt;/p>\n&lt;p>California Gov. Gavin Newsom’s office on Friday announced it would not challenge a state appellate court’s panel ruling in May that opened the possibility of parole for Van Houten, clearing the path to her release. &lt;/p>\n&lt;p>&lt;/p>\n&lt;p>“More than 50 years after the Manson cult committed these brutal offenses, the victims’ families still feel the impact, as do all Californians. Governor Newsom reversed Ms. Van Houten’s parole grant three times since taking office and defended against her challenges of those decisions in court,” Erin Mellon, a spokesperson for the governor, said in a statement Friday. &lt;/p>\n&lt;p>&lt;/p>\n&lt;p>CNN Fast Facts on Manson Family https://www.cnn.com/2013/09/30/us/manson-family-murders-fast-facts/index.html &lt;/p>\n&lt;p>&lt;b>--SUPERS&lt;/b>--&lt;/p>\n&lt;p>&lt;/p>\n&lt;p>&lt;b>--VIDEO SHOWS&lt;/b>--&lt;/p>\n&lt;p>&lt;/p>\n&lt;p>&lt;b>--LEAD IN&lt;/b>--&lt;/p>\n&lt;p>&lt;/p>\n&lt;p>&lt;b>--VO SCRIPT&lt;/b>--&lt;/p>\n&lt;p>&lt;/p>\n&lt;p>&lt;b>--SOT&lt;/b>--&lt;/p>\n&lt;p>&lt;/p>\n&lt;p>"I certainly have respect for Governor Newsom and the attorney general. But our families strongly, vehemently, disagree with their decision not to file an appeal." &lt;/p>\n&lt;p>&lt;/p>\n&lt;p>&lt;b>--TAG&lt;/b>--&lt;/p>\n&lt;p>&lt;/p>\n&lt;p>&lt;b>--REPORTER PKG-AS FOLLOWS&lt;/b>--&lt;/p>\n&lt;p>&lt;/p>\n&lt;p>&lt;b>-----END-----CNN.SCRIPT-----&lt;/b>&lt;/p>\n&lt;p>&lt;/p>\n&lt;p>&lt;b>--KEYWORD TAGS--&lt;/b>&lt;/p>\n&lt;p>&lt;/p>\n&lt;p>&lt;b>--MUSIC INFO---&lt;/b>&lt;/p>\n&lt;p>&lt;/p>

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TAPE 28A / INTV W/ CHARLES MANSON AT CORCORAN PRISON IN CORCORAN, CALIFORNIA FOR A DIANE SAWYER CS VO FOR TURNING POINT ON THE MANSON WOMEN: INSIDE THE MURDERS

Convicted murderer Charles Manson speaks during an interview.

10:45:11:00 MS#: 10377715 PC 8822 CNN: Pool St. Louis, MO August 18, 2014 Topic: Michael Brown Jr.'s Autopsy Report &amp; Family Statement Lesley McSpadden Mother of Michael Brown Jr., Benjamin L. Crump Family Attorney Anthony D. Gray Family Attorney Daryl D. Parks Family Attorney Dr. Michael Baden Medical Examiner Shawn Parcells Forensics Pathologist Assistant Crump Family Autopsy trt: 49 oc: independent autopsy done. 10:47:05 THE BROWN FAMILY WANTED TO HAVE THIS AUTOPSY PERFORMED ON THEIR BEHALF BECAUSE THEY DID NOT KNOW WHETHER THE FEDERAL OFFICIALS WERE GOING TO CONDUCT THEIR OWN INDEPENDENT AUTOPSY, AND THEY DID NOT WANT TO BE LEFT HAVING TO RELY ON THE AUTOPSY DONE BY THE ST. LOUIS LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES, THE SAME INDIVIDUALS THEY FEEL ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR EXECUTING THEIR SON IN BROAD DAYLIGHT. SO, THEREFORE, THAT IS WHY THEY BEGGED AND PLEADED TO HAVE AN INDEPENDENT AUTOPSY DONE. 10:48:34 Crump At Least Six Shots trt: 30 oc: so very, very important. 10:49:58 WHAT WE NOW KNOW FROM DR. BADEN AND PROFESSOR PARCELS PRELIMINARY, VERY PRELIMINARY AUTOPSY, IS THAT AT LEAST SIX, AT LEAST SIX SHOTS, COULD BE MORE, BUT AT LEAST SIX. THEY WOULD HAVE TO CONSORT WITH THE OTHER MEDICAL EXAMINERS WHO DID THE FIRST AUTOPSY, AND DR. BADEN WILL EXPLAIN TO YOU WHY THAT'S SO VERY, VERY IMPORTANT. 10:50:29 Crump Partial Story trt: 30 oc: full story together. 10:50:37 THIS ONLY TELLS PART OF THE STORY, YOU KNOW. ALSO, THE CLOTHES HAVE TO BE RECOVERED THAT WE'LL TALK ABOUT WHETHER THERE'S ANY RESIDUE ON THEM AND SO FORTH. HE EXPLAINS AS ONLY HE CAN EXPLAIN, YOU KNOW, YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT WHAT WAS RECOVERED IN THE X-RAYS, AND MOST IMPORTANTLY, THE WITNESS ACCOUNTS, THE EYEWITNESS ACCOUNTS, WHICH IS SO VERY IMPORTANT AND TO BRING THE FULL STORY TOGETHER. 10:51:08 Crump Witnesses Telling Truth trt: 38 oc: daylight was accurate. 10:51:09 WHAT DOES THIS PRELIMINARY AUTOPSY TELL US? IT VERIFIES THAT THE WITNESS ACCOUNTS WERE TRUE. THAT HE WAS SHOT MULTIPLE TIMES, AND IT'S GOING TO BE ONE OF THOSE THINGS THAT WE HAVE TO GET ALL THE WITNESS STATEMENTS OUT AND LOOK AT ALL THE AUTOPSIES, ALL THE EVIDENCE, TO PUT THIS PICTURE TOGETHER FOR HIS FAMILY KNOWS THAT THE WITNESSES -- WHAT THEY WERE TELLING THEM ABOUT HIM BEING SHOT MULTIPLE TIMES IN BROAD DAYLIGHT WAS ACCURATE. 10:51:47 Parks Two Key Shots trt: 59 oc: surrender to the officer. 10:54:27 THERE ARE TWO SHOTS I WANT TO FOCUS ON FOR MY PURPOSE RIGHT HERE TODAY BECAUSE THEY BECOME IMPORTANT BECAUSE THEY SHOW THAT THE DIRECTION OF THE BULLET WAS IN A BACK-TO-FRONT DIRECTION. THE FIRST ONE IS WHAT WE WILL CALL -- WHAT WE CALL THE KILL SHOT, AND THE ONE THAT WHEN ATTORNEY CRUMP IS SPEAKING HE WOULDN'T HAVE SUFFERED FROM IS RIGHT HERE. AT THE APEX OF HIS HEAD THERE'S A VERY SEVERE AND CLEAR INJURY, AT THE APEX, THE VERY TOP THAT WENT FROM A BACK-TO-FRONT POSITION. ALSO, THERE'S A SECOND SHOT HERE THAT YOU'VE HEARD US SPEAK ABOUT. THAT SHOT IS HERE. IT'S A LITTLE DOT ON THE DIAGRAM. THAT BULLET WENT IN THERE AND CAME OUT NEAR THE EYE AREA. THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT. BECAUSE IT SHOWS A BACK-TO-FRONT TO BOTH OF THOSE AND IT SUPPORTS WHAT THE WITNESSES SAID ABOUT HIM TRYING TO SURRENDER TO THE OFFICER. 10:55:27 Parks Arrest Officer trt: 26 oc: officer to be arrested. 10:55:36 WE BELIEVE THAT GIVEN THOSE KIND OF FACTS, THIS OFFICER SHOULD HAVE BEEN ARRESTED. THOSE THINGS SPEAK FOR THEMSELVES. WHY WOULD HE BE SHOT IN THE VERY TOP OF HIS HEAD? 6'4" MAN. MAKES NO SENSE. AND SO, THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE, AND THAT'S WHY WE BELIEVE THAT THOSE TWO THINGS ALONE ARE AMPLE EVIDENCE FOR THIS OFFICER TO BE ARRESTED. 10:56:03 Baden Need Transparency trt: 1:23 oc: time to a family. 10:59:23 WHEN THERE ISN'T TRANSPARENCY, I WAS MEDICAL EXAMINER AND CHIEF MEDICAL EXAMINER IN NEW YORK CITY FOR SOME 25 YEARS AS I WORKED THERE, WE HAD A NUMBER OF THESE ENCOUNTERS, AND WHAT WE FOUND IN NEW YORK CITY WAS THAT THE SOONER THE INFORMATION GOES OUT, THE SOONER THE FAMILY IS TALKED TO, THE FAMILY HAS A RIGHT TO KNOW HOW THEIR LOVED ONE DIED. THE -- THIS WILL CALM COMMUNITY AND FAMILY CONCERNS OVER COVER UP OR NOT BEING TOLD THE TRUTH. VERY SIMPLE THINGS ARE FOUND ON DAY ONE OF THE AUTOPSY, AS YOU KNOW WITH OTHER SUDDEN DEATHS, AND GUNSHOT WOUNDS AND STAB WOUNDS. THE NEXT DAY, THE AUTOPSY RESULTS COME OUT, AND ANSWERS THESE KIND OF QUESTIONS. HOW MANY BULLET WOUNDS AND MOST IMPORTANT, DID MY LOVED ONE SUFFER? PAIN AND SUFFERING IS A CONCERN, AND WE CAN ANSWER THOSE QUESTIONS ON DAY ONE ON THE BASIS OF THE INJURIES, SUCH AS WHEN THERE'S A DAMAGE TO THE BRAIN, BULLET WOUND TO THE BRAIN, THAT CAUSES IMMEDIATE LOSS OF CONSCIOUSNESS AT THAT POINT AND TELLING THAT TO A FAMILY CAN OFTEN BE VERY HELPFUL AT A TRYING TIME TO A FAMILY. 11:00:47 Baden Excellent County M.E. trt: 24 oc: able to answer. 11:02:02 MARY CASE IS THE CHIEF MEDICAL EXAMINER IN ST. LOUIS COUNTY AND SHE'S A VERY EXCELLENT FORENSIC PATHOLOGIST AND I'M SURE HER WORK WILL TURN OUT TO BE VERY EXCELLENT WHEN IT'S RELEASED, BUT AGAIN IT HASN'T BEEN RELEASED YET, AND THE FAMILY WANTS TO KNOW CERTAIN SIMPLE QUESTIONS THAT SO FAR WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO ANSWER. 11:02:26 Parcells Shot Six Times trt: 31 oc: of the right hand. 11:03:25 DR. BADEN AND I CONCLUDED THAT HE WAS SHOT AT LEAST SIX TIMES. WE'VE GOT ONE TO THE VERY TOP OF THE HEAD, THE APEX. WE'VE GOT ONE THAT ENTERED JUST ABOVE THE RIGHT EYEBROW. WE'VE GOT ONE THAT ENTERED THE TOP PART OF THE RIGHT ARM. WE'VE GOT A GRAZE WOUND, A SUPERFICIAL GRAZE WOUND TO THE MIDDLE PART OF THE RIGHT ARM. WE'VE GOT A WOUND THAT ENTERED THE MEDIAL ASPECT OF THE RIGHT ARM, AND WE'VE GOT A DEEP GRAZE WOUND THAT PRODUCED A LACERATION TO THE PALM OF THE RIGHT HAND. 11:04:06 Parcells Michael Brown's Wounds trt: 2:27 oc: piecing things together. 11:04:08 THESE TWO, WHERE THE Xs ARE REPRESENT WHAT DR. BADEN AND I FEEL ARE POSSIBLE REENTRY WOUNDS, SO THE WOUND THAT HIT THE FOREHEAD RIGHT ABOVE THE RIGHT EYEBROW ACTUALLY CAME OUT RIGHT AROUND THE RIGHT EYE AND WENT BACK IN AND THEN IT EXITED AGAIN RIGHT HERE IN THE JAW LINE AND CAME OUT AND WENT BACK IN TO THE RIGHT SHOULDER. THAT'S FROM ONE BULLET. WE HAVE TO CONFER THAT WITH THE FIRST AUTOPSY. THIS WOUND RIGHT HERE TO THE SIDE OF THE CHEST IS ALSO A POSSIBLE REENTRY WOUND. NOW, WHICH WOUND ON THE ARM THAT CORRELATES TO, WE'RE NOT SURE. WE HAVE TO CORRELATE ALL OF THIS WITH THE FIRST AUTOPSY, AND THE OTHER CRITICAL POINT THAT I WANT EVERYONE TO BE VERY CLEAR ON IS THAT THIS WOUND TO THE MEDIAL ASPECT OF THE RIGHT ARM, JUST GENERALLY SPEAKING, HAPPENED RIGHT ABOUT HERE INDICATE -- OKAY. WHAT DR. BADEN AND I FEEL THAT OCCURRED AND BY THE WAY THIS RED MARK IS SHOWING THAT SAME WOUND, THIS IS NOT A SEPARATE WOUND. THIS IS SHOWING THE SAME WOUND, IN THE SAME LOCATION IN THAT ARM, BUT YOU ARE LOOKING AT IT FROM THE BACK, AND AS THE ATTORNEYS WERE SAYING, THERE WAS A WITNESS STATEMENT THAT SAID THAT HE WAS WALKING AWAY AND THE GUN GOES OFF AND HE KIND OF JERKS. SO THE QUESTION ASKED TO US WAS COULD THAT WOUND OCCURRED FROM HIM WALKING AWAY AND THEN HE TURNS AROUND? IT'S CONSISTENT WITH THAT. HOWEVER, UNDERSTAND TOO THAT WHILE THE SHOT COULD HAVE COME FROM THE BACK, BECAUSE IF I'M STANDING HERE WALKING ALONG AND GET SHOT FROM THAT DIRECTION, YOU SEE I PULL MY ARM UP, IT'S IN THAT SAME GENERAL AREA, THE ARM IS A VERY MOBILE PART OF YOUR BODY, SO IT ALSO COULD HAVE OCCURRED WHEN HE WAS PUTTING HIS HANDS UP. SO I PUT MY HANDS UP AND YOU SEE WHERE THAT WOUND IS AT. IT COULD HAVE HAPPENED IF HE PUT HIS ARMS ACROSS IN A DEFENSIVE MANNER. WE DON'T KNOW AND WE STILL HAVE TO LOOK AT OTHER ASPECTS OF THIS INVESTIGATION BEFORE WE CAN REALLY START PIECING THINGS TOGETHER. 11:06:35 Baden Gunshot Residues trt: 25 oc: out gunshot residues. 11:07:48 IN THIS INSTANCE, THERE'S NO GUNSHOT RESIDUES ON THE SKIN SURFACE, SO THAT THE MUZZLE OF THE GUN WAS AT LEAST ONE TO TWO FEET AWAY, THE MUZZLE AT THE TIME OF DISCHARGE. IT COULD HAVE BEEN 30 FEET AWAY. IT WOULD BE THE SAME THING. BUT IN ORDER TO BE FIRM ABOUT THAT, WE ALSO HAVE TO LOOK AT THE CLOTHING, WHICH WE HAVEN'T HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO LOOK AT BECAUSE SOMETIMES THE CLOTHING CAN FILTER OUT GUNSHOT RESIDUES. 11:08:14 Baden Autopsy X-Rays trt: 46 oc: gunshot wound case. 11:08:20 THERE ARE SIX BULLETS STRUCK, SIX BULLETS STRUCK AND TWO MAY HAVE REENTERED AND THREE BULLETS WERE RECOVERED AT THE FIRST AUTOPSY. ACCORDING TO OUR REPORT. THERE WERE THE TWO HEAD WOUNDS AND THE BULLET IN THE CHEST STAYED IN THE BODY AND WERE REMOVED AT THE FIRST AUTOPSY FROM OUR EXAMINATION OF THE BODY. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT'S GOING TO BE IMPORTANT FOR US TO SEE IS THE X-RAYS. THE OLD BLACK AND WHITE X-RAYS THAT WILL SHOW WHERE THE BULLETS WERE AT -- BEFORE THE AUTOPSY WAS STARTED, AND THAT'S DOCUMENTED IN X-RAYS TAKEN BEFORE AN AUTOPSY IN A GUNSHOT WOUND CASE. 11:09:06 Baden Brown Facial Abrasions trt: 36 oc: to the officer. 11:11:27 THERE ARE ABRASIONS AROUND THE RIGHT SIDE OF MR. BROWN'S FACE, RUBBING AGAINST THE GROUND, WHICH HAPPENED AS BEST AS WE CAN TELL WHEN -- AFTER THE GUNSHOT WOUNDS, HE FELL FLAT DOWN, UNPROTECTED AND GOT THOSE ABRASIONS. OTHERWISE, NO EVIDENCE OF A STRUGGLE AND IT WILL BE IMPORTANT IN EVALUATION OF THE CASE FOR THE MEDICAL EXAMINER, FOR THE FBI FOR THE DEFENSE -- NOT DEFENSE, THE FAMILY TO SEE WHAT HAPPENED TO THE OFFICER. 11:12:03 Baden Survivable Wounds trt: 09 oc: went through the brain. 11:17:52 ALL OF THESE GUNSHOT WOUNDS WERE SURVIVABLE EXCEPT FOR THE ONE THROUGH THE TOP OF THE HEAD, THAT WENT THROUGH THE BRAIN. 11:18:01 Rough Log: 10:45:11 Good morning, everybody 10:45:20 I'm Pastor Tommy Pearson and I pastor this church. 10:46:00 Technical difficulties 10:46:08 I am Pastory Tommy Pearson and I'm also the state rep. for district 66 10:46:32 We're going to introduce attn. crump 10:46:39 Benajmin Crump: Thank you so much for allowing us to speak at the church 10:46:59 On behalf of the family of Michael Brown Jr. 10:47:12 We also have one of the most renowned medical examiners with him is Prof. Shawn Parcells 10:47:42 The Brown family wanted to have this autopsy performed on their behalf bc they did not know if the federal officials would conduct their own and they didn't want to rely on the autopsy done by the St. Louis law enforcement, the same individiuals they feel are responsible for killing their son in broad daylight 10:48:37 The attorneys here know that is not a good thing, that they cannot trust what was going to be put in the reports 10:49:02 I want to stress very clearly that this is only a preliminary report 10:49:21 The number of shots--not only the family but the citizens of Ferguson and that question has been answered as Dr. Biden had said that it could have been answered on day 1 if transparency was the objective 10:50:06 What we know is that at least six shots--could be more, but they would have to consult with the other medical examiners 10:50:31 You want all the info you can get. This only tells part of the story. Also, the clothes. 10:50:51 You want to talk about what has been discovered in the X-rays 10:51:08 And what does this autopsy say? That the witness accounts were true. That he was shot multiple times 10:51:34 That his family knows that the witnesses know that he was shot mulitple times was accurate 10:51:52 That is in there that his hands was up 10:51:59 So we have to go from this point with this preliminary autopsy 10:52:17 His mother and father and their family they had just a few questions for Dr. Biden and that is, how many times was he shot, and so that question was answered at least initially 10:52:45 As Dr. Biden met with the mother, she had the question that any mother would have--was my child in pain? 10:53:05 Dr. Biden's opinion was that he did not suffer 10:53:13 And then lastly, his mom wanted to know what none of them could say? Why hasn't he been arrested? 10:53:29 Clapping in the audience. At this time, Attn. Parks, Gray and then Biden and Parcell will speak 10:54:04 Parks: In a situation like this, it's important the tthe facts get out and this account has suffered from a lack of transparency 10:54:33 There are two shots I would like to focus on 10:54:39 The first one, is the kill shot--at the apex of his head, there was a very, very clear injury that went from a back to front injury 10:55:02 The second is a little shot came out at the eye area. That is very important because it shows a back to front to both of those, and is important bc it supports what the witnesses said 10:55:37 Those things speak for themselves. Why would he be shot at the top of his head? 6'4 man 10:55:54 Those two things alone are ample evidence for this officer to be arrested 10:56:09 Attn. Gray: I could see that there is a very distrubing divide that is developing in the community, and that is not what we called for 10:56:49 I have not been able to say a word and I had not spoken to anyone about what I knew 10:57:07 One thing I will say is that the event from last not was triggered by the release of this autopsy. Let me just say that this autopsy came out two hours later, so that connection is misplaced 10:58:04 Dr. Biden: We're here as forensic scientists. We're looking for info from the autopsy that will allow us to reach a final conclusion 10:58:30 The question is, when somebody dies after an encounter with police, when it's predictable that the parents of the decedent doesn't turst the govt (applause) 10:59:01 They request a second autopsy, is not uncommon. The third is uncommon, which will happen today or tomorrow 10:59:29 I was the chief medical examiner of NY, the family has a right to know how their loved one dies. Very simple things are found on day 1 of the autopsy 11:00:14 How many bullet wounds and most importantly, did my loved one suffer? 11:00:31 A bullet to the brain causes 11:00:48 That's why we were called 11:00:54 Mr. Crump said they had been trying to get the fed. gov't involved and they were unsuccessful 11:01:16 It shows the interest and the concern bc it shows many black men die by homicide or accident every day in the United States, and never has the president of the U.S. been involved except for Marilyn Manson 11:02:04 Let me add the Mary Case is a good medical examiner for this county 11:02:19 But the family wants to know 11:02:30 Shawn Parcells has been intstrumental in the autopsy 11:02:47 Shawn: First of all, I'm Prof. Shawn Parcells and I'm here to answer questions 11:03:04 I want you to understand that we look at the body from an anatomical position ' 11:03:25 And as you know, Dr. Biden and I concluded that he had been shot at least 6 times 11:03:39 We've got one at the apex, at the eye, at the arm, the medial aspect at the arm and we've got a deep wound in the palm 11:04:10 These are possible re entry wounds 11:04:24 And then it exited again in the jaw line and went back into the shoulder. That's just one bullet. 11:04:47 This wound to the site of the chest is a re-entry wound. We have to compare this with the first autopsy 11:05:15 This happened right about here (lifts his arm and points to it) 11:05:27 This is not a separate wound 11:05:37 And as the attorneys were saying, there was a witness saying he walked away and he kind of jerks 11:05:54 It's consistent with that 11:06:00 Now understand, that if I'm walking away, the arm is a very mobile part of the body, so it also could have occurred if he put his hand up 11:06:32 Dr. Biden? 11:06:36 Dr. Biden: the attorneys behind me thought there would be questions? 11:06:55 There could be consistent with his going forward or going backward, but if he was shot going forward, he would have stumbled right away 11:07:24 The question was how far away. Yes, we could tell the distance from the muzzle 11:07:48 In this instance, no residue 11:07:58 It could've been 30 feet away, but we need to look at the entire investigation 11:08:24 Six bullets struck, three may have re-entered and 3 were found. 2 were in the chest 11:08:49 The old black and white xrays will show where the bullets were when they autopsy was conducted 11:09:10 Yes, I spoke with Dr. Mary Case and they did all the proper xray and photos at the proper time 11:09:33 Mary Case could have told you everything I'm telling you. 11:09:46 This is not uncommon when prosecutors don't want info release 11:10:12 Two things--access to the clothing, I think the defense should have access of to the clothing. The St. Louis PD will be looking at it. The families will access to it at some time. As far as the other question, there weren't signs of a struggle 11:11:04 The attorneys have asked for the medical examination of the officer 11:11:22 They are both needed. There are both abrasions on Mr. Brown's face which happened when he fell down unprotected onto the ground. 11:12:10 Our autopsy which we did was at the medical examiner and the second was at the funeral home and it was about a 3-4 hour re-autopsy 11:12:43 My impression having done this for 50 years are so are the findings are going to be similar 11:13:14 The autopsy itself--there are many different witness testimonies 11:13:37 Right now, from a science POV, we can't make a judgment. We don't interveiw witnesses. 11:13:56 As the police are doing--this is what juries are supposed to do. They have more info than we have. We can't determine which witness is most consistent with findings 11:14:49 This is a judgment based on--and this is what the family complained about 11:15:21 So I think that my impression is, like in most medical examiner's office, the prosecutor will say that will interfere with our investigation 11:16:05 Shawn: We cannot speculate the exact order of the wounds 11:16:22 But the two on his heads may indicate that they were the last shots 11:16:44 Dr. Biden Toxicology reports have to be done at the first autopsy. 11:17:01 The toxicology can be done in a week or two, but it should be available very soon 11:17:22 Crump: We have a feeling it will be revealed sooner than later 11:17:46 Yes, he could have survived all of the gun shot wounds except for the ones at the top of the head--Non-press attender asks why the police officer has not been arrested 11:18:21 Dr. Biden: Who gets arrested is a political decision, not a scientific decision. 11:18:57 Crump: they are concerned that their son will not get justice. 11:19:18 Dr. Biden: the gun can also be moved in many directions. It could either be up or down and that depends on many factors 11:19:43 This is the last shot and this is the only shot that is not treatable (points to the apex shot) well it went to the top and it went to the middle of the brain and it traveled to the right side of the brain. Yes, it stayed in there. 11:20:23 Crump: Either kneeling or bending forward. 11:20:38 Crump: No more questions. CLOSED CAPTIONING TRANSCRIPTION: 10:46:13 I'M THE PASTOR OF THE CHURCH HERE AND I'M ALSO STATE REPRESENTATIVE OF THE 66th DISTRICT IN NORTH COUNTY. WE REASONABLE YOU HERE TODAY AND WE THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR -- FOR COMING AND NOW WE'RE GOING TO GET DOWN TO THE BUSINESS AT HAND. 10:46:28 WE'RE GOING TO INTRODUCE NOW ATTORNEY CRUMP. &gt;&gt; THANK YOU SO MUCH, PASTOR PEARSON FOR ALLOWING US TO HAVE THIS PRESS CONFERENCE, THIS IMPORTANT PRESS CONFERENCE HERE IN YOUR CHURCH. I'M ATTORNEY BENJAMIN CRUMP. I HAVE THE HONOR OF SERVING AS THE LEAD COUNSEL ALONG WITH CO-COUNSELS ANTHONY GRAY AND DARRELL PARKS ON BEHALF OF THE FAMILY OF MICHAEL BROWN, JR. WE ALSO HAVE PRESENT WITH US ONE OF THE HIGHLY RESPECTED, ONE OF THE MOST RENOUNED FORENSIC PATHOLOGISTS LIVING TODAY, DR. MIKE BADEN WHO WE RETAINED TO BE THE FAMILY'S PATHOLOGIST TO CONDUCT THE INDEPENDENT AUTOPSY ON THEIR BEHALF. WITH HIM, WHO ASSISTED HIM, IS PROFESSOR SHAWN PARCELS. THEY WILL BE ADDRESSING YOU MOMENTARILY. THE BROWN FAMILY WANTED TO HAVE THIS AUTOPSY PERFORMED ON THEIR BEHALF BECAUSE THEY DID NOT KNOW WHETHER THE FEDERAL OFFICIALS WERE GOING TO CONDUCT THEIR OWN INDEPENDENT AUTOPSY, AND THEY DID NOT WANT TO BE LEFT HAVING TO RELY ON THE AUTOPSY DONE BY THE ST. LOUIS LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES, THE SAME INDIVIDUALS THEY FEEL ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR EXECUTING THEIR SON IN BROAD DAYLIGHT. 10:48:30 SO, THEREFORE, THAT IS WHY THEY BEGGED AND PLEADED TO HAVE AN INDEPENDENT AUTOPSY DONE. THE ATTORNEYS HERE, WE KNOW ALL TOO WELL IF YOU DON'T HAVE YOUR OWN AUTOPSY, YOU HAVE TO DEPEND COMPLETELY ON THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AUTOPSY. THAT'S NOT A GOOD THING. BUT EVEN OUR CLIENTS UNDERSTOOD THAT WASN'T A GOOD THING. THAT THEY COULD NOT TRUST WHAT WAS GOING TO BE PUT INTO THE REPORTS ABOUT THE TRAGIC EXECUTION OF THEIR CHILD. SECONDLY, I WANT TO STRESS VERY CLEARLY THAT THIS IS ONLY A PRELIMINARY REPORT, VERY PRELIMINARY. QUESTIONS AT THE BOTTOM AND PROFESSOR PARCELS WILL GET TO ELABORATE, BUT IT ANSWERED BASIC QUESTIONS, THE NUMBER OF SHOTS, WHICH WAS ALWAYS A QUESTION THAT NOT ONLY THE FAMILY, THE CITIZENS OF FERGUSON, BUT PEOPLE ALL OVER THE COUNTRY WHO HAD THIS COLOR BLIND CURIOSITY TO KNOW WHAT HAPPENED, WANTED TO KNOW, AND THAT QUESTION WAS ANSWERED PARTLY AND AS DR. BADEN AS OPINED AND STATED IN THE INTERVIEW THAT WAS RELEASED, THAT IT COULD HAVE BEEN ANSWERED ON DAY ONE IF YOU WERE REALLY TRYING TO HAVE TRANSPARENCY BE THE OBJECTIVE, BUT WHAT WE NOW KNOW FROM DR. BADEN AND PROFESSOR PARCELS PRELIMINARY, VERY PRELIMINARY AUTOPSY, IS THAT AT LEAST SIX, AT LEAST SIX SHOTS, COULD BE MORE, BUT AT LEAST SIX. THEY WOULD HAVE TO CONSULT WITH THE OTHER MEDICAL EXAMINERS WHO DID THE FIRST AUTOPSY, AND DR. BADEN WILL EXPLAIN TO YOU WHY THAT'S SO VERY, VERY IMPORTANT DOING THOUSANDS AND THOUSANDS OF AUTOPSIES AS HE EXPLAINS, YOU WANT ALL THE INFORMATION YOU CAN GET. 10:50:33 THIS ONLY TELLS PART OF THE STORY, YOU KNOW. ALSO, THE CLOTHES HAVE TO BE RECOVERED THAT WE'LL TALK ABOUT WHETHER THERE'S ANY RESIDUE ON THEM AND SO FORTH. HE EXPLAINS AS ONLY HE CAN EXPLAIN, YOU KNOW, YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT WHAT WAS RECOVERED IN THE X-RAYS, AND MOST IMPORTANTLY, THE WITNESS ACCOUNTS, THE EYEWITNESS ACCOUNTS, WHICH IS SO VERY IMPORTANT AND TO BRING THE FULL STORY TOGETHER AND WHAT DOES THIS PRELIMINARY AUTOPSY TELL US? IT VERIFIES THAT THE WITNESS ACCOUNTS WERE TRUE. THAT HE WAS SHOT MULTIPLE TIMES, AND IT'S GOING TO BE ONE OF THOSE THINGS THAT WE HAVE TO GET ALL THE WITNESS STATEMENTS OUT AND LOOK AT ALL THE AUTOPSIES, ALL THE EVIDENCE, TO PUT THIS PICTURE TOGETHER FOR HIS FAMILY KNOWS THAT THE WITNESSES -- WHAT THEY WERE TELLING THEM ABOUT HIM BEING SHOT MULTIPLE TIMES IN BROAD DAYLIGHT WAS ACCURATE AND YOU ALL HAVE REPORTED ON MANY OF THE WITNESS ACCOUNTS WHEN THEY SAID HIS HANDS WAS UP, THAT IS IN THERE. WHEN THEY TALK ABOUT THE WAYS OF HELPING, IT'S IN THERE. SO WE HAVE TO GO AT THIS POINT FROM THIS PRELIMINARY AUTOPSY AND TRY TO GET ALL THE INFORMATION SO WE CAN GET THE ANSWERS THAT NOT ONLY THE FAMILY WANTS BUT FERGUSON WANTS AND THE COUNTRY WANTS. 10:52:34 HIS MOTHER AND FATHER AND THEIR FAMILY, THEY HAD JUST A FEW QUESTIONS FOR DR. BADEN, AND THAT IS THE FIRST QUESTION WAS HOW MANY TIMES WAS HE SHOT, AND SO THAT QUESTION WAS ANSWERED AT LEAST INITIALLY. AS DR. BADEN MET WITH THE MOTHER, SHE HAD THE LINGERING QUESTION AS ANY MOTHER WOULD HAVE, WAS MY CHILD IN PAIN AND AND DR. BADEN SHARED WITH HER IN HIS OPINION HE DID NOT SUFFER, AND THEN LASTLY, HIS MOTHER WANTED TO ASK THE QUESTION THAT DR. BADEN NOR ANY OF THE LAWYERS COULD ANSWER. WHAT ELSE DO WE NEED TO GIVE THEM TO ARREST THE KILLER OF MY CHILD? [ APPLAUSE ] &gt;&gt; AT THIS TIME WE WILL HAVE ATTORNEY DARRELL PARKS ADDRESS YOU AND THEN ATTORNEY GRAY WILL ADDRESS YOU, AND THEN WE WILL HAVE DR. BADEN AND PROFESSOR PARCELS COME AND TRY TO GIVE ALL OF US A LITTLE LESSON ON PATHOLOGY. THANK YOU. ATTORNEY PARKS. &gt;&gt; THANK YOU. IN THE SITUATION LIKE THIS, FACTS BECOME VERY IMPORTANT. EVIDENCE BECOMES VERY IMPORTANT, AND IT'S SO IMPORTANT THAT THE FACTS IN THIS CASE REALLY GET OUT. THIS CASE HAS SUFFERED FROM A LACK OF TRANSPARENCY -- I'M ACTUALLY -- I'M GOING TO PULL IT UP AND SHOW THEM SOMETHING, AND YOU HEARD ATTORNEY CRUMP SAY THERE WERE MULTIPLE SHOTS. THERE ARE TWO SHOTS I WANT TO FOCUS ON FOR MY PURPOSE RIGHT HERE TODAY BECAUSE THEY BECOME IMPORTANT BECAUSE THEY SHOW THAT THE DIRECTION OF THE BULLET WAS IN A BACK-TO-FRONT DIRECTION. 10:54:35 THE FIRST ONE IS WHAT WE WILL CALL -- WHAT WE CALL THE KILL SHOT, AND THE ONE THAT WHEN ATTORNEY CRUMP IS SPEAKING HE WOULDN'T HAVE SUFFERED FROM IS RIGHT HERE. AT THE APEX OF HIS HEAD THERE'S A VERY SEVERE AND CLEAR INJURY, AT THE APEX, THE VERY TOP THAT WENT FROM A BACK-TO-FRONT POSITION. ALSO, THERE'S A SECOND SHOT HERE THAT YOU'VE HEARD US SPEAK ABOUT. THAT SHOT IS HERE. IT'S A LITTLE DOT ON THE DIAGRAM. THAT BULLET WENT IN THERE AND CAME OUT NEAR THE EYE AREA. THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT. BECAUSE IT SHOWS A BACK-TO-FRONT TO BOTH OF THOSE AND IT SUPPORTS WHAT THE WITNESSES SAID ABOUT HIM TRYING TO SURRENDER TO THE OFFICER. AND HIS HEAD WAS IN A DOWNWARD POSITION. IT HAD TO BE FOR WHAT HAD HAPPENED. THOSE TYPE OF FACTS ARE CLEAR, AND WE BELIEVE THAT GIVEN THOSE KIND OF FACTS, THIS OFFICER SHOULD HAVE BEEN ARRESTED. THOSE THINGS SPEAK FOR THEMSELVES. WHY WOULD HE BE SHOT IN THE VERY TOP OF HIS HEAD? 6'4" MAN. MAKES NO SENSE. SO THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE, AND THAT'S WHY WE BELIEVE THAT THOSE TWO THINGS ALONE ARE AMPLE EVIDENCE FOR THIS OFFICER TO BE ARRESTED. &gt;&gt; GOOD MORNING, EVERYONE. &gt;&gt; GOOD MORNING. &gt;&gt; I WANT TO CONTINUE THE CALL AND THE PLEA FOR THOSE THAT ARE REPORTING, FOR THOSE THAT ARE INVESTIGATING THIS CASE, TO REMAIN FAIR, TO REMAIN BALANCED, AND TO LOOK AT THIS CASE FOR WHAT IT IS. I CAN SEE THAT THERE'S A VERY DISTURBING DIVIDE THAT'S DEVELOPING IN OUR COMMUNITY, AND THIS IS NOT WHAT WE INITIALLY CAME TO THE COMMUNITY AND CALLED FOR. 10:56:38 A CALL WAS FOR FAIRNESS. IT WAS FOR TRANSPARENCY. WE HAD TO HAVE THIS AUTOPSY SO WE CAN HAVE INFORMATION AT OUR FINGERTIPS THAT WE CAN THEN EXPLAIN TO THOSE THAT HAVE CALLED ME ON MULTIPLE OCCASIONS AND I HAVE NOT BEEN ABLE TO SAY A WORD, AND I HAVE NOT SPOKEN TO ANYBODY ABOUT WHAT I KNEW PERSONALLY, SO THIS IS THIS OPPORTUNITY TO GET THIS INFORMATION OUT. ONE THING THAT I WILL ADDRESS FROM A FACTUAL STANDPOINT. I SAW A NEWS REPORT THIS MORNING, AND ONE OF THE -- I'M NOT SURE IF HE WAS AN OFFICER OR NOT, BUT ONE PERSON REPORTED THAT THE EVENTS LAST NIGHT MAY HAVE BEEN SPURRED BY OR TRIGGERED BY THE RELEASE OF THIS AUTOPSY. LET ME JUST TELL YOU FOR A FACT THAT THIS AUTOPSY CAME OUT TWO HOURS LATER, AFTER THE LAW ENFORCEMENT DECISIONS -- AUTHORITIES MADE A DECISION TO CONVERGE ON THAT CROWD, AND SO IF THEY WANT TO MAKE A CONNECTION BETWEEN THE RELEASE OF THIS INFORMATION AND WHAT HAPPENED LAST NIGHT, THAT CONNECTION IS MISPLACED. THANK YOU SO MUCH. &gt;&gt; AND NOW WE WILL CALL DR. MICHAEL BADEN AND PROFESSOR SHAWN PARCELS TO DISCUSS ABOUT THEIR PRELIMINARY AUTOPSY FINDINGS. &gt;&gt; THANK YOU, BEN. WE'RE HERE AS FORENSIC SCIENTISTS. WE'RE LOOKING FOR INFORMATION THAT IS FROM THE AUTOPSY AND OTHER SCIENTIFIC STUDIES THAT WILL ALLOW US TO EVENTUALLY REACH FINAL CONCLUSIONS, BUT THE QUESTION THAT IS ASKED TO ME MOST COMMONLY IN THESE TYPES OF SITUATIONS, WHEN SOMEBODY DIES AFTER AN ENCOUNTER WITH POLICE, 10:58:41 ANYWHERE IN THIS COUNTRY, AND IN OTHER COUNTRIES TOO, WHEN IT'S PREDICTABLE THAT THERE MAY BE COMMUNITY CONCERNS AND THAT THE PARENTS OF THE DECEDENT DOESN'T TRUST THE GOVERNMENT BECAUSE THE GOVERNMENT THAT CAUSED THE DEATH -- [ APPLAUSE ] &gt;&gt; AND -- AND -- AND THEY REQUEST A SECOND AUTOPSY, INDEPENDENT AUTOPSY, AND THIS IS NOT UNCOMMON. A THIRD IS VERY UNCOMMON. THAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN TODAY OR TOMORROW FROM THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, I UNDERSTAND. AND THE REASON FOR IT AS MR. CRUMP AS INDICATED IS THAT WHEN THERE ISN'T TRANSPARENCY, I WAS MEDICAL EXAMINER AND CHIEF MEDICAL EXAMINER IN NEW YORK CITY FOR SOME 25 YEARS AS I WORKED THERE, WE HAD A NUMBER OF THESE ENCOUNTERS, AND WHAT WE FOUND IN NEW YORK CITY WAS THAT THE SOONER THE INFORMATION GOES OUT, THE SOONER THE FAMILY IS TALKED TO, THE FAMILY HAS A RIGHT TO KNOW HOW THEIR LOVED ONE DIED. THE -- THIS WILL CALM COMMUNITY AND FAMILY CONCERNS OVER COVER UP OR NOT BEING TOLD THE TRUTH. VERY SIMPLE THINGS ARE FOUND ON DAY ONE OF THE AUTOPSY, AS YOU KNOW WITH OTHER SUDDEN DEATHS, AND GUNSHOT WOUNDS AND STAB WOUNDS. THE NEXT DAY, THE AUTOPSY RESULTS COME OUT, AND ANSWERS THESE KIND OF QUESTIONS. HOW MANY BULLET WOUNDS AND MOST IMPORTANT, DID MY LOVED ONE SUFFER? PAIN AND SUFFERING IS A CONCERN, AND WE CAN ANSWER THOSE QUESTIONS ON DAY ONE ON THE BASIS OF THE INJURIES, SUCH AS WHEN THERE'S A DAMAGE TO THE BRAIN, BULLET WOUND TO THE BRAIN, THAT CAUSES IMMEDIATE LOSS OF CONSCIOUSNESS AT THAT POINT AND TELLING THAT TO A FAMILY CAN OFTEN BE VERY HELPFUL AT A TRYING TIME TO A FAMILY. 11:00:46 SO THAT'S WHY WE WERE CALL. I MUST SAY WHEN WE WERE CALLED, MR. CRUMP HAD SAID THEY HAD BEEN TRYING TO GET THE FEDERAL -- THE FBI, THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT INVOLVED WITHOUT SUCCESS AT THAT TIME AND THAT'S WHY THEY WANTED ME TO COME IN AND SHORTLY AFTER WE STARTED THE AUTOPSY, THEN IT WAS ANNOUNCED THAT THEY WERE GOING TO DO ANOTHER AUTOPSY WHICH IS FINE, BECAUSE IT SHOWS THE INTEREST AND THE CONCERN THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT HAS IN THIS KIND OF DEATH, AND YOU ARE HERE -- ALL HERE BECAUSE MANY BLACK MEN DIE OF ACCIDENT, OF HOMICIDE, EVERY DAY IN THIS COUNTRY, AND RARELY AND NEVER AS FAR AS I RECALL HAS THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES GOTTEN INVOLVED. THE ONLY TIME THE PRESIDENT GOT INVOLVED I REMEMBER WAS CHARLES MAN SON DID HIS THING AND YOU GUYS WEREN'T BORN IN THOSE TIMES AND HE WAS VERY UPSET ABOUT IT. NOT IN A CIVIL RIGHTS WAY. SO I THINK THAT UNDERSTANDING WHAT'S HAPPENING -- AND ONE THING I WANT TO ADD HERE THOUGH, MARY CASE IS THE CHIEF MEDICAL EXAMINER IN ST. LOUIS COUNTY AND SHE'S A VERY EXCELLENT FORENSIC PATHOLOGIST AND I'M SURE HER WORK WILL TURN OUT TO BE VERY EXCELLENT WHEN IT'S RELEASED. BUT AGAIN, IT HASN'T BEEN RELEASED YET 11:02:17 AND THE FAMILY WANTS TO KNOW CERTAIN SIMPLE QUESTIONS THAT SO FAR WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO ANSWER. SHAUN PARCELS HAS BEEN INSTRUMENTAL IN THE AUTOPSY EVALUATION. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANT TO POINT OUT ANYTHING ON THE -- ON THE ANATOMY OF THE GUNSHOT WOUNDS THAT -- THAT BEAUTIFUL DRAWING. &gt;&gt; FIRST OF ALL, I'M PROFESSOR SHAUN PARCELS AND I WOULD LIKE TO THANK EVERYONE FOR BRINGING ME INTO THIS CASE AND WE'RE HERE FOR THE FAMILY TO ANSWER QUESTIONS ABOUT WHAT HAPPENED TO MICHAEL BROWN. AND I WANT YOU GUYS TO UNDERSTAND THAT WHEN AN AUTOPSY IS DONE, THAT WE LOOK AT THE BODY IN AN ANATOMICAL POSITION. THIS IS THE ANATOMICAL POSITION. THIS IS NOT HOW WE STAND, HOW WE WALK, BUT MEDICALLY SPEAKING, WE LIKE TO DESCRIBE WOUNDS THIS WAY. AS YOU ALL KNOW, DR. BADEN AND I CONCLUDED THAT HE WAS SHOT AT LEAST SIX TIMES. WE'VE GOT ONE TO THE VERY TOP OF THE HEAD, THE APEX. WE'VE GOT ONE THAT ENTERED JUST ABOVE THE RIGHT EYEBROW. WE'VE GOT ONE THAT ENTERED THE TOP PART OF THE RIGHT ARM. WE'VE GOT A GRAZE WOUND, A SUPERFICIAL GRAZE WOUND TO THE MIDDLE PART OF THE RIGHT ARM. WE'VE GOT A WOUND THAT ENTERED THE MEDIAL ASPECT OF THE RIGHT ARM, AND WE'VE GOT A DEEP GRAZE WOUND THAT PRODUCED A LACERATION TO THE PALM OF THE RIGHT HAND. 11:04:06 NOW, THESE TWO, WHERE THE Xs ARE REPRESENT WHAT DR. BADEN AND I FEEL ARE POSSIBLE REENTRY WOUNDS, SO THE WOUND THAT HIT THE FOREHEAD RIGHT ABOVE THE RIGHT EYEBROW ACTUALLY CAME OUT RIGHT AROUND THE RIGHT EYE AND WENT BACK IN AND THEN IT EXITED AGAIN RIGHT HERE IN THE JAW LINE AND CAME OUT AND WENT BACK IN TO THE RIGHT SHOULDER. THAT'S FROM ONE BULLET. WE HAVE TO CONFER THAT WITH THE FIRST AUTOPSY. THIS WOUND RIGHT HERE TO THE SIDE OF THE CHEST IS ALSO A POSSIBLE REENTRY WOUND. NOW, WHICH WOUND ON THE ARM THAT CORRELATES TO, WE'RE NOT SURE. WE HAVE TO CORRELATE ALL OF THIS WITH THE FIRST AUTOPSY, AND THE OTHER CRITICAL POINT THAT I WANT EVERYONE TO BE VERY CLEAR ON IS THAT THIS WOUND TO THE MEDIAL ASPECT OF THE RIGHT ARM, JUST GENERALLY SPEAKING, HAPPENED RIGHT ABOUT HERE INDICATE -- OKAY. WHAT DR. BADEN AND I FEEL THAT OCCURRED AND BY THE WAY THIS RED MARK IS SHOWING THAT SAME WOUND, THIS IS NOT A SEPARATE WOUND. THIS IS SHOWING THE SAME WOUND, IN THE SAME LOCATION IN THAT ARM, BUT YOU ARE LOOKING AT IT FROM THE BACK, AND AS THE ATTORNEYS WERE SAYING, THERE WAS A WITNESS STATEMENT THAT SAID THAT HE WAS WALKING AWAY AND THE GUN GOES OFF AND HE KIND OF JERKS. SO THE QUESTION ASKED TO US WAS COULD THAT WOUND OCCURRED FROM HIM WALKING AWAY AND THEN HE TURNS AROUND? IT'S CONSISTENT WITH THAT. 11:06:08 HOWEVER, UNDERSTAND TOO THAT WHILE THE SHOT COULD HAVE COME FROM THE BACK, BECAUSE IF I'M STANDING HERE WALKING ALONG AND GET SHOT FROM THAT DIRECTION, YOU SEE I PULL MY ARM UP, IT'S IN THAT SAME GENERAL AREA, THE ARM IS A VERY MOBILE PART OF YOUR BODY, SO IT ALSO COULD HAVE OCCURRED WHEN HE WAS PUTTING HIS HANDS UP. SO I PUT MY HANDS UP AND YOU SEE WHERE THAT WOUND IS AT. IT COULD HAVE HAPPENED IF HE PUT HIS ARMS ACROSS IN A DEFENSIVE MANNER. WE DON'T KNOW AND WE STILL HAVE TO LOOK AT OTHER ASPECTS OF THIS INVESTIGATION BEFORE WE CAN REALLY START PIECING THINGS TOGETHER. DR. BADEN. &gt;&gt; THE ATTORNEYS BEHIND ME THOUGHT THAT THERE MIGHT BE A QUESTION AMONG YOU. WE'RE HERE TO SEE -- &gt;&gt; ARE ANY OF THESE WOUNDS INCONSISTENT WITH THE WITNESS ACCOUNTS THAT MICHAEL BROWN WAS SHOT WHILE RUSHING THE POLICE OFFICER? &gt;&gt; THEY COULD BE CONSISTENT WITH HIS GOING FORWARD OR GOING BACKWARD, BUT THEY ARE FROM THE FRONT, IF HE WAS SHOT GOING FORWARD, HE WOULD COLLAPSE RIGHT AWAY. THE PROBLEM -- YEAH, SO IT'S POSSIBLE. THERE ARE A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT POSSIBILITIES TO THAT. &gt;&gt; CAN YOU TELL HOW FAR AWAY? &gt;&gt; THE QUESTION WAS HOW FAR AWAY? YES. WE CAN TELL CERTAIN DISTANCE. WE CAN TELL THE DISTANCE FROM THE MUZZLE OF THE GUN TO THE BODY AND THE BODY'S CLOTHING. IF THERE'S -- CLOSE TO THE WEAPON IS TO THE BODY, THE MORE POWDER RESIDUE THERE WILL BE ON THE BODY AND THE SKIN AND THE CLOTHING. IN THIS INSTANCE, THERE'S NO GUNSHOT RESIDUES ON THE SKIN SURFACE, SO THAT THE MUZZLE OF THE GUN WAS AT LEAST ONE TO TWO FEET AWAY, THE MUZZLE AT THE TIME OF DISCHARGE. IT COULD HAVE BEEN 30 FEET AWAY. 11:08:08 IT WOULD BE THE SAME THING. BUT IN ORDER TO BE FIRM ABOUT THAT, WE ALSO HAVE TO LOOK AT THE CLOTHING, WHICH WE HAVEN'T HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO LOOK AT BECAUSE SOMETIMES THE CLOTHING CAN FILTER OUT GUNSHOT RESIDUES. &gt;&gt; DOCTOR, CAN YOU SAY HOW MANY TIMES HE WAS ACTUALLY SHOT? YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT REENTRY WOUNDS SO -- &gt;&gt; THERE ARE SIX BULLETS STRUCK, SIX BULLETS STRUCK AND TWO MAY HAVE REENTERED AND THREE BULLETS WERE RECOVERED AT THE FIRST AUTOPSY. ACCORDING TO OUR REPORT. THERE WERE THE TWO HEAD WOUNDS AND THE BULLET IN THE CHEST STAYED IN THE BODY AND WERE REMOVED AT THE FIRST AUTOPSY FROM OUR EXAMINATION OF THE BODY. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT'S GOING TO BE IMPORTANT FOR US TO SEE IS THE X-RAYS. THE OLD BLACK AND WHITE X-RAYS THAT WILL SHOW WHERE THE BULLETS WERE AT -- BEFORE THE AUTOPSY WAS STARTED, AND THAT'S DOCUMENTED IN X-RAYS TAKEN BEFORE AN AUTOPSY IN A GUNSHOT WOUND CASE. &gt;&gt; WE KNOW THOSE X-RAYS EXIST? &gt;&gt; YES. I SPOKE WITH DR. MARY CASE, AND THEY DID ALL THE PROPER X-RAYS, PHOTOGRAPHS, AND THEY SHOULD BE AVAILABLE AT SOME TIME. WHETHER TODAY OR WHETHER THREE OR FOUR MONTHS FROM NOW OFTEN DEPENDS ON WHAT THE PROSECUTOR WANTS TO DO. THAT IS MARY CASE COULD HAVE TOLD YOU EVERYTHING I'M TELLING YOU ON DAY ONE BUT OFTEN IN AN INVESTIGATION LIKE THIS, IT'S NOT UNCOMMON FOR PROSECUTORS NOT TO WANT INFORMATION RELEASED, BUT I THINK IN MY EXPERIENCE, WHEN THAT HAPPENS, IT ONLY GETS THE COMMUNITY MORE UPSET. &gt;&gt; I HAVE A QUESTION. &gt;&gt; MA'AM, ARE YOU A MEMBER OF THE MEDIA? &gt;&gt; I AM NOT. &gt;&gt; ONLY THE MEDIA. ONLY THE MEDIA. &gt;&gt; 11:10:09 CAN WE GET ACCESS TO THE CLOTHING? ARE THERE ANY SIGNS -- &gt;&gt; I DIDN'T HEAR. &gt;&gt; ACCESS TO THE CLOTHING, ARE THERE ANY SIGNS OF ANY STRUGGLE. &gt;&gt; TWO THINGS. ACCESSION TO THE CLOTHING, AT THINK AT SOME POINT, THE DEFENSE SHOULD HAVE ACCESS TO THE CLOTHING. THAT DEPENDS LARGELY, THE CLOTHING IS NOW IN DR. CASE'S ADVICE IN THE LOS ANGELES -- ST. LOUIS COUNTY POLICE AGENCY NORMALLY. THEY ARE GOING TO BE LOOKING AT IT. IT'S UP TO THEM WHEN THE DEFENSE -- NOT DEFENSE, THE FAMILY'S WILL HAVE ACCESS TO IT, SO AT SOME TIME THERE WILL BE ACCESS TO IT AND THE RESULTS. AS FAR AS THE OTHER PART OF THE QUESTION WAS -- &gt;&gt; WERE THERE ANY SIGNS OF STRUGGLE? &gt;&gt; ANY SIGNS OF STRUGGLE? THERE WEREN'T SIGNS OF A STRUGGLE. IN TALKING ABOUT A STRUGGLE, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THE ATTORNEYS HAVE ALSO ASKED FOR IS THE MEDICAL EXAMINATION OF THE OFFICER WHO WAS IN A STRUGGLE, SO SIGNS OF INJURY TO THE OFFICER, TO MICHAEL BROWN, ARE BOTH NEEDED. ONE THING IS THAT THERE ARE ABRASIONS AROUND THE RIGHT SIDE OF MR. BROWN'S FACE, RUBBING AGAINST THE GROUND, WHICH HAPPENED AS BEST AS WE CAN TELL WHEN -- AFTER THE GUNSHOT WOUNDS, HE FELL FLAT DOWN, UNPROTECTED AND GOT THOSE ABRASIONS. OTHERWISE, NO EVIDENCE OF A STRUGGLE AND IT WILL BE IMPORTANT IN EVALUATION OF THE CASE FOR THE MEDICAL EXAMINER, FOR THE FBI FOR THE DEFENSE -- NOT DEFENSE, THE FAMILY TO SEE WHAT HAPPENED TO THE OFFICER. &gt;&gt; DOCTOR, DOCTOR -- &gt;&gt; 11:12:11 OVER HERE FOR A SECOND. OUR AUTOPSY THAT WE DID, THE FIRST AUTOPSY AT THE COUNTY MEDICAL EXAMINER, SCEKED ONE WAS AT THE -- SECOND ONE WAS AT THE FUNERAL HOME WHERE THE BODY WAS DELIVERED FOR BURAL AND WE DID THAT IN THE OFFICE, AND IT WAS ABOUT THREE, FOUR-HOUR REAUTOPSY. &gt;&gt; HOW DO YOUR FINDINGS RESEMBLE OR DIFFER FROM THE COUNTY AUTOPSY RESULTS? &gt;&gt; WE CAN'T THAT UNTIL WE SEE THE COUNTY. MY IMPRESSION HAVING DONE THIS SOME 50 YEARS OR SO IS THEY ARE GOING TO BE VERY SIMILAR. &gt;&gt; DO YOU EXPECT THAT TO HAPPEN? &gt;&gt; I THINK THEY ARE AVAILABLE NOW. THE AUTOPSY RECORDS ARE AVAILABLE NOW. WHEN IT'S GOING TO BE RELEASED IS PROBABLY UP TO THE PROSECUTOR. &gt;&gt; RIGHT HERE. EXCUSE ME. RIGHT HERE. &gt;&gt; THE AUTOPSY ITSELF, CONSISTENT WITH POLICE OR WITNESSES, THERE ARE MANY DIFFERENT WITNESS TESTIMONIES. MANY OF THEM SEEM TO LINE UP IN ONE DIRECTION, SOME IN ANOTHER DIRECTION. RIGHT NOW, TILL WE GET MORE INFORMATION, TILL WE GET FROM A FORENSIC SCIENCE POINT OF VIEW CAN'T DISTINGUISH -- CAN'T MAKE A DEFINITE JUDGMENT. NOW, THE LAWYERS WHO HAVE INTERVIEWED WITNESSES, WE HAVEN'T INTERVIEWED, WE DON'T INTERVIEW WITNESSES, MAY BE IMPRESSED WITH SOME WITNESSES WHO SEEM MORE -- MORE TRUSTWORTHY THAN OTHERS AND AS THE POLICE ARE DOING TOO. THIS IS WHAT JURY'S ARE SUPPOSED TO DO. 11:14:13 JURIES ARE SUPPOSED TO LOOK AT THE WITNESSES AND TELL WHO IS TELLING THE TRUTH AND WHO ISN'T, BUT LAWYERS DO THAT ALL THE TIME, AND SO THEY HAVE MORE INFORMATION THAN WE HAVE, BUT RIGHT NOW FROM THE SCIENCE POINT OF VIEW, WE CAN'T DETERMINE WHICH WITNESS AND THERE ARE ALL DIFFERENT KINDS OF OBSERVATIONS MADE, IS MOST CONSISTENT WITH ALL OF THE FORENSIC FINDINGS. &gt;&gt; IN THE GREEN. &gt;&gt; DOCTOR, YOU MENTIONED TRANSPARENCY. YOU MENTIONED SCIENTIFIC INFORMATION, AND YOU MENTIONED -- WAS THERE ANY INVESTIGATIVE REASON, ANY SCIENTIFIC REASON WHY THIS INFORMATION COULD NOT HAVE BEEN RELEASED AFTER DAY ONE? IS THERE ANY -- &gt;&gt; WELL, THIS IS A JUDGMENT BASED ON -- AND THIS IS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THE FAMILY WAS CONCERNED ABOUT. EVEN THOUGH WE KNOW WHAT AN AUTOPSY IS DONE, WHEN ANY AUTOPSY IS DONE THAT YOU GUYS GO TO, 95 OF THE INFORMATION IS AVAILABLE RIGHT AWAY. STAB WOUNDS, GUNSHOT WOUNDS. THINGS LIKE MICROSCOPIC SLIDES AND TOXICOLOGY, WHICH MAY BE OF VALUE, BUT DON'T DETERMINE THE CAUSE OF DEATH, WHETHER OR NOT A DECEDENT HAS COCAINE ON BOARD MAY BE ON VALUE TO SEE WHY AN INCIDENT HAPPENED, BUT IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE CAUSE OF DEATH. SO I THINK MY IMPRESSION IS THAT THE -- LIKE IN MOST MEDICAL EXAMINER EXAMINER'S OFFICES WHEN AN AUTOPSY IS COMPLETED, THE MEDICAL EXAMINER CAN RELEASE IT IMMEDIATELY OR MOST OF IT PENDING THE PROSECUTOR'S WISHES, BECAUSE THE PROSECUTOR SAYS THAT THAT'S GOING TO INTERFERE WITH OUR INVESTIGATION, THEN MEDICAL EXAMINERS HOLD UP AND THE FAMILIES MAY NOT KNOW FOR WEEKS OR MONTHS THE KIND OF QUESTIONS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. &gt;&gt; TWO MORE. TWO MORE. &gt;&gt; CAN YOU SCPLAT ON WHAT ORDER THE WOUNDS OCCURRED? &gt;&gt; 11:16:16 I DON'T THINK WE CAN -- WE CANNOT SPECULATE EXACT ORDER OF GUNSHOT WOUNDS. FORENSICALLY THAT'S IMPOSSIBLE. HOWEVER, WE DO FEEL THAT BECAUSE OF THE TWO GUNSHOT WOUNDS TO THE HEAD INDICATING THAT MR. BROWN WAS BENDING OVER AS THEY WERE COMING DOWN, THOSE TWO SHOTS WERE MOST LIKELY THE LAST TWO TO OCCUR TO HIM. &gt;&gt; THAT'S ABOUT AS FAR AS WE CAN GO. &gt;&gt; HOW ABOUT TOXICOLOGY? &gt;&gt; THE TOXICOLOGY RESULTS HAVE TO BE DONE BY THE MEDICAL EXAMINER AT THE FIRST AUTOPSY. THEY GET THE BLOOD AND EVERYTHING OUT. SECOND AUTOPSY, NO MORE BLOOD AND THERE'S BEEN EM BOMBING -- EMBALMING FLUIDS. WE HAVE TO WAIT FOR THE MEDICAL EXAMINER AND IT DEPENDS HOW QUICKLY THEY ARE RUSHED. THE TOXICOLOGY SHOULD BE ABLE TO BE DONE IN A WEEK OR TWO BUT OFTENTIMES IT GETS ON THE END OF THE LINE OF ALL THE OTHER CASES THAT THEY ARE DEALING WITH AND MAY TAKE MONTHS, BUT THAT SHOULD BE AVAILABLE, ESPECIALLY WITH YOUR CONCERN AND THE PRESIDENT'S CONCERN, IT SHOULD BE AVAILABLE VERY SOON. &gt;&gt; WE GOT A FEELING THAT THAT TOXICOLOGY REPORT, LIKE OTHER THINGS, WILL BE RELEASED TO YOU SOONER THAN LATER. THERE WAS ONE QUESTION FROM A NON-PRESS PERSON. YES, MA'AM. &gt;&gt; THANK YOU. MY QUESTION IS THE FOUR SHOTS THAT ENTERED THE BODY FIRST, I'M ASSUMING THAT HE WAS SURVIVED? &gt;&gt; YES, HE COULD HAVE -- I SHOULD HAVE MENTIONED SOMETHING. ALL OF THESE GUNSHOT WOUNDS WERE SURVIVABLE EXCEPT FOR THE ONE THROUGH THE TOP OF THE HEAD, THAT WENT THROUGH THE BRAIN. &gt;&gt; WITH THAT BEING SAID AND ALL OF US HERE KNOW WHAT HAPPENED TO MICHAEL, WHY HASN'T MR. -- THE OFFICER WILSON BEEN ARRESTED? 11:18:22 [ APPLAUSE ] &gt;&gt; YOU KNOW, WHO GETS ARRESTED, YOU KNOW, IS A POLITICAL DISTRICT ATTORNEY DECISION AND IT'S NOT A FORENSIC SCIENCE DECISION FOR GOOD OR FOR BAD. &gt;&gt; THANK YOU. &gt;&gt; THANK YOU. 11:18:33 (33:22) /

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