5/05/77 C0059826 HUNTSVILLE, ALABAMA SOLAR HEATING & AIR CONDITIONING SYSTEM. COL PT "SOLAR ENERGY" LONG VIEW OF RADIAN. COLLECTORS IBM HUNTSVILLE FACILITY. CLOSE UP OF COLLECTORS. CLOSE UP OF TRACKING MOTION LS & CU OF STORAGE TANK LS OF COLLECTORS. LS OF SDAS W / TECHNICIAN CU OF SDAS. FLASHES OF RADIAN SYSTEM. SEV. SCENES, ENDING W / LS OF COLLECTORS. (5/5/77 - 72FT.) SOLAR SYSTEM 72 FT COL PT

NVS0083 Subject: Seventies Electronics Electronic Toys (12/14/78) 207986 (Pharris) 01:00:00 HA GVs of displays at the Midcon High Technology Convention at the Dallas Convention Center. The Convention is featuring displays of semiconductor and microprocessor technology and products. VS of displays of Texas Instruments products. TI's James Muller demonstrates high tech children's toys. Muller says all of the electronic toys on display use the same microchip computer. CUs of several of the toys. The toys on display include a Battleship, a miniature bowling game, Simon Says, and Speak and Spell. Computers (8/24/77) B31504A (Pinkney) 01:06:35 CS VS Japanese woman using bankcard / credit card in computer to extract money (one of the first ATM machines). CU computer panels lighting up. SU Chapman. VS scientists at work in computer research laboratories. CU computers, map display shown on screen. Zoom out, exts IBM building in Japan. VS scientists at work inside IBM building wiring and programming computers. More general shots inside Nippong Electric and IBM computer centers. VS scientists and programmers at work with computers. CU computer control panels, readout panels, etc. More of customers in bank using cards to get money from computer terminal. Big Brother (7/22/70) A63330B (Dobish) 01:21:14 Excellent stock ftg of computers at work. Good CU of computer tapes spinning. (Manufacturer, Honeywell, in some ftg.) Computer cards in machine information print-out in green lights. Touch tone phone with punch card answering phone, keys on computer. Sheets rolling off computer with numbered info. More of tapes. MS of empty, but active, computer room. Cassette Records-T.V. (11/30/77) B33680A (Kimball Gilman Alexander) 01:27:22 Closeups video-tape machines on display in store. Various shots of video cassette recorders / early VCRs on display. 01:28:46 END TAPE

NVS0083 Subject: Seventies Electronics Electronic Toys (12/14/78) 207986 (Pharris) 01:00:00 HA GVs of displays at the Midcon High Technology Convention at the Dallas Convention Center. The Convention is featuring displays of semiconductor and microprocessor technology and products. VS of displays of Texas Instruments products. TI's James Muller demonstrates high tech children's toys. Muller says all of the electronic toys on display use the same microchip computer. CUs of several of the toys. The toys on display include a Battleship, a miniature bowling game, Simon Says, and Speak and Spell. Computers (8/24/77) B31504A (Pinkney) 01:06:35 CS VS Japanese woman using bankcard / credit card in computer to extract money (one of the first ATM machines). CU computer panels lighting up. SU Chapman. VS scientists at work in computer research laboratories. CU computers, map display shown on screen. Zoom out, exts IBM building in Japan. VS scientists at work inside IBM building wiring and programming computers. More general shots inside Nippong Electric and IBM computer centers. VS scientists and programmers at work with computers. CU computer control panels, readout panels, etc. More of customers in bank using cards to get money from computer terminal. Big Brother (7/22/70) A63330B (Dobish) 01:21:14 Excellent stock ftg of computers at work. Good CU of computer tapes spinning. (Manufacturer, Honeywell, in some ftg.) Computer cards in machine information print-out in green lights. Touch tone phone with punch card answering phone, keys on computer. Sheets rolling off computer with numbered info. More of tapes. MS of empty, but active, computer room. Cassette Records-T.V. (11/30/77) B33680A (Kimball Gilman Alexander) 01:27:22 Closeups video-tape machines on display in store. Various shots of video cassette recorders / early VCRs on display. 01:28:46 END TAPE

08/10/65 A0023875 WASHINGTON DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA: D, BRUCE EVANS, EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF THE UNITED REPUBLICANS OF AMERICA ANNOUNCED TODAY THAT URA WOULD PARTICIPATE ACTIVITY IN 1966 REPUBLICAN PREMARY ELECTIONS, HE STARTED THAT URA WOULD SUPPORT ANY CONSERVATIVE REPUBLICAN INCUMBENTS IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES THAT ARE FACED WITH LIBERAL OPPOSTION AT THE PRIMARY LEVEL: IN ADDITION MR, EVANS NAMED 77 LIBERAL DENOCRATS IN CONGRESS WHO HE SAID COULD BE "REPLACED BY AN IBM MACHINE: "THESE CONGRESSMEN HAVE CHOSEN TO REPRESENT THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES INSTEAD OF THE CONSTITUENTS: UNCUT "D, BRUCE EVANS" SHOWS: NO SHOT LIST, REFER TO FILE: (SHOT XX 400FT) POLITICS - US POLITICAL PARTIES - US REPUBLICAN EVANS, D, BRUCE - SOF XX / 500 FT / 16 NEG /

TAPE_NUMBER: EF01/0272 IN_TIME: 01:23:07 LENGTH: 01:58 SOURCES: Shots 1-3 = NYSE, 4 = NASDAQ, the rest = APTN RESTRICTIONS: FEED: LC SCRIPT: English/Nat xfa Stocks plunged on Wednesday, sending the Dow Jones industrials below 10,000 as a deepening pessimism about the global economy swept across Wall Street. Prices also slumped on overseas markets. The Dow fell nearly 332 points to the 9,958 level in the first half-hour of trading, the first time since October 20th that it has traded below 10,000. The blue chips regained some ground, but were still down 257.97 at 10,037.83 during Wednesday's first hour, wiping out Tuesday's 82-point advance and compounding Monday's 436-point drop. The Nasdaq composite fell 32.01 to 1,982.77, while the Standard & Poor's 500 index tumbled 24.88 to 1,172.78. While sellers have swarmed into the U-S stock market recently, believing that poor earnings and the weakening economy in this country won't recover in the near future, the prospect of economic crises in other countries unnerved investors around the globe on Wednesday. Investors were particularly unnerved by news from Japan on Tuesday, when the government admitted that the world's second-biggest economy is in a state of deflation. Meanwhile, stocks fell hard in Europe, plummeting to 16-month lows. In afternoon trading on Wednesday, the markets in Paris, London and Frankfurt were each off upwards of 3.5 percent. In the United States, while the Federal Reserve has lowered interest rates twice this year and is widely expected to push rates lower again next week, the central bank's actions are not being viewed as aggressive enough to lift the economy out of its slump. There was no safe haven in the Dow on Wednesday as every sector traded sharply lower. IBM was down 1.12 dollars at 97.27 dollars, while Citigroup slumped 2.39 dollars to 46 dollars. Tech stocks extended their long decline. Cisco Systems fell 75 cents to 20.63 dollars, while Intel slipped 44 cents to 28.94 dollars. The two semiconductor companies spurred this week's sharp sell off after warning late last week of poor business conditions, particularly in overseas markets. SOUNDBITE: (English) "It reminds me of the 1998 so-called crisis, which was, I believe, in the Asian currency areas. There tends to be a panic reaction, and urgency to sell and a disinclination to buy which creates a market that has fewer bids than offers, and that tends to drive prices down." SUPERCAPTION: Phil Rettew, Market Analyst, Merrill Lynch SOUNDBITE: (English) "The old money stocks may be a source of money for people who need to sell. If you consider a lot of Nasdaq stocks had already been beaten down through an awful lot of selling, there just aren't that many sellers left there. So if one needs to raise cash, then one needs to go where the cash is." SUPERCAPTION: Phil Rettew, Market Analyst, Merrill Lynch SHOTLIST: New York City, 14 March 2001 NYSE 1. Wide shot pan, interior of NYSE 2. Medium shot, opening bell 3. Close up big board showing DJIE going under 10,000 NASDAQ 4. Close up Nasdaq opening index APTN 5. SOUNDBITE: (English) Phil Rettew, Market Analyst, Merrill Lynch APTN FILE 6. Wide shot Citicorp presser 7. Close up Citicorp logo 8. Close up various shots IBM chips APTN 9. SOUNDBITE: (English) Phil Rettew, Market Analyst, Merrill Lynch 10. Nasdaq board at 10:45 am (EST)?

CLIP REEL OF ECONOMICS IN THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA (USA). 11:12:11 SLATE (TC JUMP). 10:00:00 LABOR STRIKES BOEING, UNITED AUTO WORKERS (UAW), ANTI SCAB, CLASH WITH POLICE. CHBA23445B @ DECATUR, ILL. 95/02/23 NYBJ14199Y @ UNKNOWN 95/12/05 NYBJ14190Y @ STERLING HEIGHTS, MICH. NYBU14189B @ SEATTLE, WASH. 95/10/06 10:04:08 TIMBER INDUSTRY LOGGING, SPOTTED OWL DCTB40029A @ UNKNOWN 88/10/31 NYBZ12785N @ VARIOUS 92/02/04 10:05:31 MUTUAL FUNDS COMPUTER TRANSACTION, TELEPHONE ACCOUNT MANAGEMENT. NYBO13592V @ BOSTON, MASS. 92/12/03 NYBS13845J @ BOSTON, MASS. 94/03/31 10:06:53 BONDS - SAVINGS BONDS, PURCHASING, WW II BONDS CHTA17358A @ CHICAGO, ILL. 86/10/29 CHTB17358A @ CHICAGO, ILL. 86/10/30 10:07:48 AIRLINE INDUSTRY - PLANES LANDING, TAKING OFF - UNITED, NORTHWEST, US AIR, CONTINENTAL, AMERICAN, DELTA - BUSY AIRPORT. NYBD14029L @ DENVER, COLO. 93/02/08 NYBD14029N @ DENVER, COLO. 93/02/10 NYBN13553E @ NEWARK, NEW JERSEY 92/11/05 10:10:50 AT&T - 1982 "BELL DCTC7501A @ DC, USA 82/01/08 1996 BREAK-UP & DOWNSIZING NYBG14191F @ NY, NY 95/09/20 10:11:41 IBM EXTERIORS NYBI13952D @ ARMONK, NY 94/08/22 10:12:03 GASOLINE - 1973 GAS SHORTAGE - 1970'S GAS LINES, 305921 @ UNKNOWN, FILM X-FER 78/06/20 10:13:50 1979 GAS SHORTAGE - GAS LINES NYTK11957F @ NY, NY 79/05/25 10:16:38 1986 GAS PRICES - CHEAP GAS - PUMPING GAS CHTB6544A @ CHICAGO, ILL. 86/03.31 10:18:12 STOCK MARKET - TRADING, TRADING HOUSE NYSE, GOLDMAN SACHS, CLOSING-BELL, CHICAGO BOARD OF TRADE, ELECTRONIC TICKER CHBA17680A @ CHICAGO, ILL 89/08/01 NYBW12725L @ NY, NY 91/11/18 NYBC13667X @ NY, NY 90/02/20 NYBO13845O @ NY, NY 94/03/31 NYBF14833T @ VARIOUS 96/03/25 10:23:07 AUTO INDUSTRY, IACOCCA PC, JAPANESE IMPORTS, AUTO MANUFACTURING NYTA1334D @ NY, NY 80/06/24 NYTB10602P @ PORTLAND, ORE. 88/02/06 NYTM3840Z @ DETROIT, MICH. 83/07/24 CHBA23336J @ DETROIT, MICH. 94/01/24 10:25:50 AUTO SALES - SHOWROOMS, SALESPERSONS, STICKER PRICES, BUYERS NYBG13893X @ LOS ANGELES, CA 94/05/18 NYBD13931N @ NY, NY 94/04/18 DCBA65015B @ DC, USA 94/07/14 NYBY13642Y @ NY, NY 92/07/30 CHBD21752A @ CHICAGO, ILL. 96/03/18 10:28:41 LYNDON BAINES JOHNSON (LBJ) SPEAKS ON POVERTY 64/05/09 SPBB2111A @ OFF AIR 64/05/09 10:29:10 RICHARD NIXON - SPEAKS ON RECESSION, 74/01/30 SPBB1490A @ OFF AIR 74/01/30 10:29:48 JIMMY CARTER - -SPEAKS ON ECONOMIC UNCERTAINTY, 77/07/12 SPBB1678A @ OFF AIR 77/07/12 10:30:15 GEORGE BUSH - SPEAKS ON THE ECONOMY 92/07/31 NYBA13516K @ RIVERSIDE, CA 92/07/31 SPEAKS ON ECONOMY 92/01/30 DCBF51100B @ DC, USA 92/01/28 10:31:00 ALAN GREENSPAN APPOINTED TO FEDERAL RESERVE BOARD NYTC6899Y @ DC, USA 87/06/02 TESTIFIES NYBS13919I @ DC, USA 94/07/20 10:31:30 TREASURY SECRETARY RUBIN ON MEXICAN BAILOUT UNABLE TO VERIFY DATE 94/01/17 WITH ANY VIDEO CASSETTE 10:32:27 MICKEY KANTOR ON TRADE SANCTIONS W/ JAPAN DCBB69862A @ DC, USA 95/05/16 10:33:42 BILL CLINTON ON WELFARE 93/02/17 NYBN13581S @ DC, USA 93/02/17 10:34:10 SOCIAL SECURITY CHECKS NYBU14192N @ DC, USA 95/10/13 10:34:54 WARREN BUFFETT ON SALOMON BROTHERS SCANDAL NYBQ12680I @ NY,NY 91/08/18 10:35:19 LAURA TYSON COMMENTS OF BUDGET DCBA72175A @ DC, USA 95/02/15 10:36:01 RON BROWN COMMENTS ON GLOBAL COMPETITION 94/02/16 DCBA62746C @ DC, USA (WHITE HOUSE) 94/02/16 10:36:45 COKE HEADQUARTERS, COCA COLA, ATLANTA, GA ATBA1004A @ ATLANTA, GA. 88/07/13 10:37:00 FORMER TREASURY SECRETARIES ORIGIN OF VIDEO UNKNOWN 10:38:30 WILLIAM MILLER, FEDERAL RESERVE CHAIRMAN AND MICHAEL BLUMENTHAL, SECRETARY OF THE TREASURY 212327 @ FILM X-FER 79/07/18 10:39:09 TREASURY SECRETARY HENRY FOWLER NYTB10909K @ FILM X-FER MARCH REPORT 1968 OF LBJ 10:39:17 TREASURY SECRETARY WILLIAM SIMON UNKNOWN TAPE. WAS IN OFFICE UNDER GERALD FORD 10:40:22 SENATOR EDWARD "TED" KENNEDY ON INFLATION AND JOBS DCTA1389I @ WORCHESTER, MASS 80/03/03 MERGERS 10:41:37 ED SCHOLLMEYER OF PAINE WEBBER ON MERGERS & ACQUISITIONS AND JOBS NYTA7295A @ NY, NY 87/03/05 10:42:53 FOOD COMPANY MERGERS NYBU10909U @ MINNEAPOLIS, MINN. 88/10/21 10:43:21 KOHLBERG KRAVIS ROBERTS HEADQUARTERS, 9 WEST 57 ST. NYBB10856A @ NY, NY 88/11/20 10:43:24 HENRY KRAVITZ AND WIFE AND RJR MERGER DCBV1846N @ NYC 90/02/13 10:43:37 PARAMOUNT/VIACOM MERGER NYBU13771G @ NY, NY 93/09/27 10:44:10 DISNEY COMPANY/CAPITAL CITIES/ABC MERGER NYBT14188N @ NY,NY 95/07/31 10:45:17 TIME WARNER/CNN MERGER NYBG14192T @ NY,NY 95/08/30 10:48:22 BLANK TO END.

CLIP REEL OF ECONOMICS IN THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA (USA). 11:12:11 SLATE (TC JUMP). 10:00:00 LABOR STRIKES BOEING, UNITED AUTO WORKERS (UAW), ANTI SCAB, CLASH WITH POLICE. CHBA23445B @ DECATUR, ILL. 95/02/23 NYBJ14199Y @ UNKNOWN 95/12/05 NYBJ14190Y @ STERLING HEIGHTS, MICH. NYBU14189B @ SEATTLE, WASH. 95/10/06 10:04:08 TIMBER INDUSTRY LOGGING, SPOTTED OWL DCTB40029A @ UNKNOWN 88/10/31 NYBZ12785N @ VARIOUS 92/02/04 10:05:31 MUTUAL FUNDS COMPUTER TRANSACTION, TELEPHONE ACCOUNT MANAGEMENT. NYBO13592V @ BOSTON, MASS. 92/12/03 NYBS13845J @ BOSTON, MASS. 94/03/31 10:06:53 BONDS - SAVINGS BONDS, PURCHASING, WW II BONDS CHTA17358A @ CHICAGO, ILL. 86/10/29 CHTB17358A @ CHICAGO, ILL. 86/10/30 10:07:48 AIRLINE INDUSTRY - PLANES LANDING, TAKING OFF - UNITED, NORTHWEST, US AIR, CONTINENTAL, AMERICAN, DELTA - BUSY AIRPORT. NYBD14029L @ DENVER, COLO. 93/02/08 NYBD14029N @ DENVER, COLO. 93/02/10 NYBN13553E @ NEWARK, NEW JERSEY 92/11/05 10:10:50 AT&T - 1982 "BELL DCTC7501A @ DC, USA 82/01/08 1996 BREAK-UP & DOWNSIZING NYBG14191F @ NY, NY 95/09/20 10:11:41 IBM EXTERIORS NYBI13952D @ ARMONK, NY 94/08/22 10:12:03 GASOLINE - 1973 GAS SHORTAGE - 1970'S GAS LINES, 305921 @ UNKNOWN, FILM X-FER 78/06/20 10:13:50 1979 GAS SHORTAGE - GAS LINES NYTK11957F @ NY, NY 79/05/25 10:16:38 1986 GAS PRICES - CHEAP GAS - PUMPING GAS CHTB6544A @ CHICAGO, ILL. 86/03.31 10:18:12 STOCK MARKET - TRADING, TRADING HOUSE NYSE, GOLDMAN SACHS, CLOSING-BELL, CHICAGO BOARD OF TRADE, ELECTRONIC TICKER CHBA17680A @ CHICAGO, ILL 89/08/01 NYBW12725L @ NY, NY 91/11/18 NYBC13667X @ NY, NY 90/02/20 NYBO13845O @ NY, NY 94/03/31 NYBF14833T @ VARIOUS 96/03/25 10:23:07 AUTO INDUSTRY, IACOCCA PC, JAPANESE IMPORTS, AUTO MANUFACTURING NYTA1334D @ NY, NY 80/06/24 NYTB10602P @ PORTLAND, ORE. 88/02/06 NYTM3840Z @ DETROIT, MICH. 83/07/24 CHBA23336J @ DETROIT, MICH. 94/01/24 10:25:50 AUTO SALES - SHOWROOMS, SALESPERSONS, STICKER PRICES, BUYERS NYBG13893X @ LOS ANGELES, CA 94/05/18 NYBD13931N @ NY, NY 94/04/18 DCBA65015B @ DC, USA 94/07/14 NYBY13642Y @ NY, NY 92/07/30 CHBD21752A @ CHICAGO, ILL. 96/03/18 10:28:41 LYNDON BAINES JOHNSON (LBJ) SPEAKS ON POVERTY 64/05/09 SPBB2111A @ OFF AIR 64/05/09 10:29:10 RICHARD NIXON - SPEAKS ON RECESSION, 74/01/30 SPBB1490A @ OFF AIR 74/01/30 10:29:48 JIMMY CARTER - -SPEAKS ON ECONOMIC UNCERTAINTY, 77/07/12 SPBB1678A @ OFF AIR 77/07/12 10:30:15 GEORGE BUSH - SPEAKS ON THE ECONOMY 92/07/31 NYBA13516K @ RIVERSIDE, CA 92/07/31 SPEAKS ON ECONOMY 92/01/30 DCBF51100B @ DC, USA 92/01/28 10:31:00 ALAN GREENSPAN APPOINTED TO FEDERAL RESERVE BOARD NYTC6899Y @ DC, USA 87/06/02 TESTIFIES NYBS13919I @ DC, USA 94/07/20 10:31:30 TREASURY SECRETARY RUBIN ON MEXICAN BAILOUT UNABLE TO VERIFY DATE 94/01/17 WITH ANY VIDEO CASSETTE 10:32:27 MICKEY KANTOR ON TRADE SANCTIONS W/ JAPAN DCBB69862A @ DC, USA 95/05/16 10:33:42 BILL CLINTON ON WELFARE 93/02/17 NYBN13581S @ DC, USA 93/02/17 10:34:10 SOCIAL SECURITY CHECKS NYBU14192N @ DC, USA 95/10/13 10:34:54 WARREN BUFFETT ON SALOMON BROTHERS SCANDAL NYBQ12680I @ NY,NY 91/08/18 10:35:19 LAURA TYSON COMMENTS OF BUDGET DCBA72175A @ DC, USA 95/02/15 10:36:01 RON BROWN COMMENTS ON GLOBAL COMPETITION 94/02/16 DCBA62746C @ DC, USA (WHITE HOUSE) 94/02/16 10:36:45 COKE HEADQUARTERS, COCA COLA, ATLANTA, GA ATBA1004A @ ATLANTA, GA. 88/07/13 10:37:00 FORMER TREASURY SECRETARIES ORIGIN OF VIDEO UNKNOWN 10:38:30 WILLIAM MILLER, FEDERAL RESERVE CHAIRMAN AND MICHAEL BLUMENTHAL, SECRETARY OF THE TREASURY 212327 @ FILM X-FER 79/07/18 10:39:09 TREASURY SECRETARY HENRY FOWLER NYTB10909K @ FILM X-FER MARCH REPORT 1968 OF LBJ 10:39:17 TREASURY SECRETARY WILLIAM SIMON UNKNOWN TAPE. WAS IN OFFICE UNDER GERALD FORD 10:40:22 SENATOR EDWARD "TED" KENNEDY ON INFLATION AND JOBS DCTA1389I @ WORCHESTER, MASS 80/03/03 MERGERS 10:41:37 ED SCHOLLMEYER OF PAINE WEBBER ON MERGERS & ACQUISITIONS AND JOBS NYTA7295A @ NY, NY 87/03/05 10:42:53 FOOD COMPANY MERGERS NYBU10909U @ MINNEAPOLIS, MINN. 88/10/21 10:43:21 KOHLBERG KRAVIS ROBERTS HEADQUARTERS, 9 WEST 57 ST. NYBB10856A @ NY, NY 88/11/20 10:43:24 HENRY KRAVITZ AND WIFE AND RJR MERGER DCBV1846N @ NYC 90/02/13 10:43:37 PARAMOUNT/VIACOM MERGER NYBU13771G @ NY, NY 93/09/27 10:44:10 DISNEY COMPANY/CAPITAL CITIES/ABC MERGER NYBT14188N @ NY,NY 95/07/31 10:45:17 TIME WARNER/CNN MERGER NYBG14192T @ NY,NY 95/08/30 10:48:22 BLANK TO END.

CLIP REEL OF ECONOMICS IN THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA (USA). 11:12:11 SLATE (TC JUMP). 10:00:00 LABOR STRIKES BOEING, UNITED AUTO WORKERS (UAW), ANTI SCAB, CLASH WITH POLICE. CHBA23445B @ DECATUR, ILL. 95/02/23 NYBJ14199Y @ UNKNOWN 95/12/05 NYBJ14190Y @ STERLING HEIGHTS, MICH. NYBU14189B @ SEATTLE, WASH. 95/10/06 10:04:08 TIMBER INDUSTRY LOGGING, SPOTTED OWL DCTB40029A @ UNKNOWN 88/10/31 NYBZ12785N @ VARIOUS 92/02/04 10:05:31 MUTUAL FUNDS COMPUTER TRANSACTION, TELEPHONE ACCOUNT MANAGEMENT. NYBO13592V @ BOSTON, MASS. 92/12/03 NYBS13845J @ BOSTON, MASS. 94/03/31 10:06:53 BONDS - SAVINGS BONDS, PURCHASING, WW II BONDS CHTA17358A @ CHICAGO, ILL. 86/10/29 CHTB17358A @ CHICAGO, ILL. 86/10/30 10:07:48 AIRLINE INDUSTRY - PLANES LANDING, TAKING OFF - UNITED, NORTHWEST, US AIR, CONTINENTAL, AMERICAN, DELTA - BUSY AIRPORT. NYBD14029L @ DENVER, COLO. 93/02/08 NYBD14029N @ DENVER, COLO. 93/02/10 NYBN13553E @ NEWARK, NEW JERSEY 92/11/05 10:10:50 AT&T - 1982 "BELL DCTC7501A @ DC, USA 82/01/08 1996 BREAK-UP & DOWNSIZING NYBG14191F @ NY, NY 95/09/20 10:11:41 IBM EXTERIORS NYBI13952D @ ARMONK, NY 94/08/22 10:12:03 GASOLINE - 1973 GAS SHORTAGE - 1970'S GAS LINES, 305921 @ UNKNOWN, FILM X-FER 78/06/20 10:13:50 1979 GAS SHORTAGE - GAS LINES NYTK11957F @ NY, NY 79/05/25 10:16:38 1986 GAS PRICES - CHEAP GAS - PUMPING GAS CHTB6544A @ CHICAGO, ILL. 86/03.31 10:18:12 STOCK MARKET - TRADING, TRADING HOUSE NYSE, GOLDMAN SACHS, CLOSING-BELL, CHICAGO BOARD OF TRADE, ELECTRONIC TICKER CHBA17680A @ CHICAGO, ILL 89/08/01 NYBW12725L @ NY, NY 91/11/18 NYBC13667X @ NY, NY 90/02/20 NYBO13845O @ NY, NY 94/03/31 NYBF14833T @ VARIOUS 96/03/25 10:23:07 AUTO INDUSTRY, IACOCCA PC, JAPANESE IMPORTS, AUTO MANUFACTURING NYTA1334D @ NY, NY 80/06/24 NYTB10602P @ PORTLAND, ORE. 88/02/06 NYTM3840Z @ DETROIT, MICH. 83/07/24 CHBA23336J @ DETROIT, MICH. 94/01/24 10:25:50 AUTO SALES - SHOWROOMS, SALESPERSONS, STICKER PRICES, BUYERS NYBG13893X @ LOS ANGELES, CA 94/05/18 NYBD13931N @ NY, NY 94/04/18 DCBA65015B @ DC, USA 94/07/14 NYBY13642Y @ NY, NY 92/07/30 CHBD21752A @ CHICAGO, ILL. 96/03/18 10:28:41 LYNDON BAINES JOHNSON (LBJ) SPEAKS ON POVERTY 64/05/09 SPBB2111A @ OFF AIR 64/05/09 10:29:10 RICHARD NIXON - SPEAKS ON RECESSION, 74/01/30 SPBB1490A @ OFF AIR 74/01/30 10:29:48 JIMMY CARTER - -SPEAKS ON ECONOMIC UNCERTAINTY, 77/07/12 SPBB1678A @ OFF AIR 77/07/12 10:30:15 GEORGE BUSH - SPEAKS ON THE ECONOMY 92/07/31 NYBA13516K @ RIVERSIDE, CA 92/07/31 SPEAKS ON ECONOMY 92/01/30 DCBF51100B @ DC, USA 92/01/28 10:31:00 ALAN GREENSPAN APPOINTED TO FEDERAL RESERVE BOARD NYTC6899Y @ DC, USA 87/06/02 TESTIFIES NYBS13919I @ DC, USA 94/07/20 10:31:30 TREASURY SECRETARY RUBIN ON MEXICAN BAILOUT UNABLE TO VERIFY DATE 94/01/17 WITH ANY VIDEO CASSETTE 10:32:27 MICKEY KANTOR ON TRADE SANCTIONS W/ JAPAN DCBB69862A @ DC, USA 95/05/16 10:33:42 BILL CLINTON ON WELFARE 93/02/17 NYBN13581S @ DC, USA 93/02/17 10:34:10 SOCIAL SECURITY CHECKS NYBU14192N @ DC, USA 95/10/13 10:34:54 WARREN BUFFETT ON SALOMON BROTHERS SCANDAL NYBQ12680I @ NY,NY 91/08/18 10:35:19 LAURA TYSON COMMENTS OF BUDGET DCBA72175A @ DC, USA 95/02/15 10:36:01 RON BROWN COMMENTS ON GLOBAL COMPETITION 94/02/16 DCBA62746C @ DC, USA (WHITE HOUSE) 94/02/16 10:36:45 COKE HEADQUARTERS, COCA COLA, ATLANTA, GA ATBA1004A @ ATLANTA, GA. 88/07/13 10:37:00 FORMER TREASURY SECRETARIES ORIGIN OF VIDEO UNKNOWN 10:38:30 WILLIAM MILLER, FEDERAL RESERVE CHAIRMAN AND MICHAEL BLUMENTHAL, SECRETARY OF THE TREASURY 212327 @ FILM X-FER 79/07/18 10:39:09 TREASURY SECRETARY HENRY FOWLER NYTB10909K @ FILM X-FER MARCH REPORT 1968 OF LBJ 10:39:17 TREASURY SECRETARY WILLIAM SIMON UNKNOWN TAPE. WAS IN OFFICE UNDER GERALD FORD 10:40:22 SENATOR EDWARD "TED" KENNEDY ON INFLATION AND JOBS DCTA1389I @ WORCHESTER, MASS 80/03/03 MERGERS 10:41:37 ED SCHOLLMEYER OF PAINE WEBBER ON MERGERS & ACQUISITIONS AND JOBS NYTA7295A @ NY, NY 87/03/05 10:42:53 FOOD COMPANY MERGERS NYBU10909U @ MINNEAPOLIS, MINN. 88/10/21 10:43:21 KOHLBERG KRAVIS ROBERTS HEADQUARTERS, 9 WEST 57 ST. NYBB10856A @ NY, NY 88/11/20 10:43:24 HENRY KRAVITZ AND WIFE AND RJR MERGER DCBV1846N @ NYC 90/02/13 10:43:37 PARAMOUNT/VIACOM MERGER NYBU13771G @ NY, NY 93/09/27 10:44:10 DISNEY COMPANY/CAPITAL CITIES/ABC MERGER NYBT14188N @ NY,NY 95/07/31 10:45:17 TIME WARNER/CNN MERGER NYBG14192T @ NY,NY 95/08/30 10:48:22 BLANK TO END.

CLIP REEL OF ECONOMICS IN THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA (USA). 11:12:11 SLATE (TC JUMP). 10:00:00 LABOR STRIKES BOEING, UNITED AUTO WORKERS (UAW), ANTI SCAB, CLASH WITH POLICE. CHBA23445B @ DECATUR, ILL. 95/02/23 NYBJ14199Y @ UNKNOWN 95/12/05 NYBJ14190Y @ STERLING HEIGHTS, MICH. NYBU14189B @ SEATTLE, WASH. 95/10/06 10:04:08 TIMBER INDUSTRY LOGGING, SPOTTED OWL DCTB40029A @ UNKNOWN 88/10/31 NYBZ12785N @ VARIOUS 92/02/04 10:05:31 MUTUAL FUNDS COMPUTER TRANSACTION, TELEPHONE ACCOUNT MANAGEMENT. NYBO13592V @ BOSTON, MASS. 92/12/03 NYBS13845J @ BOSTON, MASS. 94/03/31 10:06:53 BONDS - SAVINGS BONDS, PURCHASING, WW II BONDS CHTA17358A @ CHICAGO, ILL. 86/10/29 CHTB17358A @ CHICAGO, ILL. 86/10/30 10:07:48 AIRLINE INDUSTRY - PLANES LANDING, TAKING OFF - UNITED, NORTHWEST, US AIR, CONTINENTAL, AMERICAN, DELTA - BUSY AIRPORT. NYBD14029L @ DENVER, COLO. 93/02/08 NYBD14029N @ DENVER, COLO. 93/02/10 NYBN13553E @ NEWARK, NEW JERSEY 92/11/05 10:10:50 AT&T - 1982 "BELL DCTC7501A @ DC, USA 82/01/08 1996 BREAK-UP & DOWNSIZING NYBG14191F @ NY, NY 95/09/20 10:11:41 IBM EXTERIORS NYBI13952D @ ARMONK, NY 94/08/22 10:12:03 GASOLINE - 1973 GAS SHORTAGE - 1970'S GAS LINES, 305921 @ UNKNOWN, FILM X-FER 78/06/20 10:13:50 1979 GAS SHORTAGE - GAS LINES NYTK11957F @ NY, NY 79/05/25 10:16:38 1986 GAS PRICES - CHEAP GAS - PUMPING GAS CHTB6544A @ CHICAGO, ILL. 86/03.31 10:18:12 STOCK MARKET - TRADING, TRADING HOUSE NYSE, GOLDMAN SACHS, CLOSING-BELL, CHICAGO BOARD OF TRADE, ELECTRONIC TICKER CHBA17680A @ CHICAGO, ILL 89/08/01 NYBW12725L @ NY, NY 91/11/18 NYBC13667X @ NY, NY 90/02/20 NYBO13845O @ NY, NY 94/03/31 NYBF14833T @ VARIOUS 96/03/25 10:23:07 AUTO INDUSTRY, IACOCCA PC, JAPANESE IMPORTS, AUTO MANUFACTURING NYTA1334D @ NY, NY 80/06/24 NYTB10602P @ PORTLAND, ORE. 88/02/06 NYTM3840Z @ DETROIT, MICH. 83/07/24 CHBA23336J @ DETROIT, MICH. 94/01/24 10:25:50 AUTO SALES - SHOWROOMS, SALESPERSONS, STICKER PRICES, BUYERS NYBG13893X @ LOS ANGELES, CA 94/05/18 NYBD13931N @ NY, NY 94/04/18 DCBA65015B @ DC, USA 94/07/14 NYBY13642Y @ NY, NY 92/07/30 CHBD21752A @ CHICAGO, ILL. 96/03/18 10:28:41 LYNDON BAINES JOHNSON (LBJ) SPEAKS ON POVERTY 64/05/09 SPBB2111A @ OFF AIR 64/05/09 10:29:10 RICHARD NIXON - SPEAKS ON RECESSION, 74/01/30 SPBB1490A @ OFF AIR 74/01/30 10:29:48 JIMMY CARTER - -SPEAKS ON ECONOMIC UNCERTAINTY, 77/07/12 SPBB1678A @ OFF AIR 77/07/12 10:30:15 GEORGE BUSH - SPEAKS ON THE ECONOMY 92/07/31 NYBA13516K @ RIVERSIDE, CA 92/07/31 SPEAKS ON ECONOMY 92/01/30 DCBF51100B @ DC, USA 92/01/28 10:31:00 ALAN GREENSPAN APPOINTED TO FEDERAL RESERVE BOARD NYTC6899Y @ DC, USA 87/06/02 TESTIFIES NYBS13919I @ DC, USA 94/07/20 10:31:30 TREASURY SECRETARY RUBIN ON MEXICAN BAILOUT UNABLE TO VERIFY DATE 94/01/17 WITH ANY VIDEO CASSETTE 10:32:27 MICKEY KANTOR ON TRADE SANCTIONS W/ JAPAN DCBB69862A @ DC, USA 95/05/16 10:33:42 BILL CLINTON ON WELFARE 93/02/17 NYBN13581S @ DC, USA 93/02/17 10:34:10 SOCIAL SECURITY CHECKS NYBU14192N @ DC, USA 95/10/13 10:34:54 WARREN BUFFETT ON SALOMON BROTHERS SCANDAL NYBQ12680I @ NY,NY 91/08/18 10:35:19 LAURA TYSON COMMENTS OF BUDGET DCBA72175A @ DC, USA 95/02/15 10:36:01 RON BROWN COMMENTS ON GLOBAL COMPETITION 94/02/16 DCBA62746C @ DC, USA (WHITE HOUSE) 94/02/16 10:36:45 COKE HEADQUARTERS, COCA COLA, ATLANTA, GA ATBA1004A @ ATLANTA, GA. 88/07/13 10:37:00 FORMER TREASURY SECRETARIES ORIGIN OF VIDEO UNKNOWN 10:38:30 WILLIAM MILLER, FEDERAL RESERVE CHAIRMAN AND MICHAEL BLUMENTHAL, SECRETARY OF THE TREASURY 212327 @ FILM X-FER 79/07/18 10:39:09 TREASURY SECRETARY HENRY FOWLER NYTB10909K @ FILM X-FER MARCH REPORT 1968 OF LBJ 10:39:17 TREASURY SECRETARY WILLIAM SIMON UNKNOWN TAPE. WAS IN OFFICE UNDER GERALD FORD 10:40:22 SENATOR EDWARD "TED" KENNEDY ON INFLATION AND JOBS DCTA1389I @ WORCHESTER, MASS 80/03/03 MERGERS 10:41:37 ED SCHOLLMEYER OF PAINE WEBBER ON MERGERS & ACQUISITIONS AND JOBS NYTA7295A @ NY, NY 87/03/05 10:42:53 FOOD COMPANY MERGERS NYBU10909U @ MINNEAPOLIS, MINN. 88/10/21 10:43:21 KOHLBERG KRAVIS ROBERTS HEADQUARTERS, 9 WEST 57 ST. NYBB10856A @ NY, NY 88/11/20 10:43:24 HENRY KRAVITZ AND WIFE AND RJR MERGER DCBV1846N @ NYC 90/02/13 10:43:37 PARAMOUNT/VIACOM MERGER NYBU13771G @ NY, NY 93/09/27 10:44:10 DISNEY COMPANY/CAPITAL CITIES/ABC MERGER NYBT14188N @ NY,NY 95/07/31 10:45:17 TIME WARNER/CNN MERGER NYBG14192T @ NY,NY 95/08/30 10:48:22 BLANK TO END.

CLIP REEL OF ECONOMICS IN THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA (USA). 11:12:11 SLATE (TC JUMP). 10:00:00 LABOR STRIKES BOEING, UNITED AUTO WORKERS (UAW), ANTI SCAB, CLASH WITH POLICE. CHBA23445B @ DECATUR, ILL. 95/02/23 NYBJ14199Y @ UNKNOWN 95/12/05 NYBJ14190Y @ STERLING HEIGHTS, MICH. NYBU14189B @ SEATTLE, WASH. 95/10/06 10:04:08 TIMBER INDUSTRY LOGGING, SPOTTED OWL DCTB40029A @ UNKNOWN 88/10/31 NYBZ12785N @ VARIOUS 92/02/04 10:05:31 MUTUAL FUNDS COMPUTER TRANSACTION, TELEPHONE ACCOUNT MANAGEMENT. NYBO13592V @ BOSTON, MASS. 92/12/03 NYBS13845J @ BOSTON, MASS. 94/03/31 10:06:53 BONDS - SAVINGS BONDS, PURCHASING, WW II BONDS CHTA17358A @ CHICAGO, ILL. 86/10/29 CHTB17358A @ CHICAGO, ILL. 86/10/30 10:07:48 AIRLINE INDUSTRY - PLANES LANDING, TAKING OFF - UNITED, NORTHWEST, US AIR, CONTINENTAL, AMERICAN, DELTA - BUSY AIRPORT. NYBD14029L @ DENVER, COLO. 93/02/08 NYBD14029N @ DENVER, COLO. 93/02/10 NYBN13553E @ NEWARK, NEW JERSEY 92/11/05 10:10:50 AT&T - 1982 "BELL DCTC7501A @ DC, USA 82/01/08 1996 BREAK-UP & DOWNSIZING NYBG14191F @ NY, NY 95/09/20 10:11:41 IBM EXTERIORS NYBI13952D @ ARMONK, NY 94/08/22 10:12:03 GASOLINE - 1973 GAS SHORTAGE - 1970'S GAS LINES, 305921 @ UNKNOWN, FILM X-FER 78/06/20 10:13:50 1979 GAS SHORTAGE - GAS LINES NYTK11957F @ NY, NY 79/05/25 10:16:38 1986 GAS PRICES - CHEAP GAS - PUMPING GAS CHTB6544A @ CHICAGO, ILL. 86/03.31 10:18:12 STOCK MARKET - TRADING, TRADING HOUSE NYSE, GOLDMAN SACHS, CLOSING-BELL, CHICAGO BOARD OF TRADE, ELECTRONIC TICKER CHBA17680A @ CHICAGO, ILL 89/08/01 NYBW12725L @ NY, NY 91/11/18 NYBC13667X @ NY, NY 90/02/20 NYBO13845O @ NY, NY 94/03/31 NYBF14833T @ VARIOUS 96/03/25 10:23:07 AUTO INDUSTRY, IACOCCA PC, JAPANESE IMPORTS, AUTO MANUFACTURING NYTA1334D @ NY, NY 80/06/24 NYTB10602P @ PORTLAND, ORE. 88/02/06 NYTM3840Z @ DETROIT, MICH. 83/07/24 CHBA23336J @ DETROIT, MICH. 94/01/24 10:25:50 AUTO SALES - SHOWROOMS, SALESPERSONS, STICKER PRICES, BUYERS NYBG13893X @ LOS ANGELES, CA 94/05/18 NYBD13931N @ NY, NY 94/04/18 DCBA65015B @ DC, USA 94/07/14 NYBY13642Y @ NY, NY 92/07/30 CHBD21752A @ CHICAGO, ILL. 96/03/18 10:28:41 LYNDON BAINES JOHNSON (LBJ) SPEAKS ON POVERTY 64/05/09 SPBB2111A @ OFF AIR 64/05/09 10:29:10 RICHARD NIXON - SPEAKS ON RECESSION, 74/01/30 SPBB1490A @ OFF AIR 74/01/30 10:29:48 JIMMY CARTER - -SPEAKS ON ECONOMIC UNCERTAINTY, 77/07/12 SPBB1678A @ OFF AIR 77/07/12 10:30:15 GEORGE BUSH - SPEAKS ON THE ECONOMY 92/07/31 NYBA13516K @ RIVERSIDE, CA 92/07/31 SPEAKS ON ECONOMY 92/01/30 DCBF51100B @ DC, USA 92/01/28 10:31:00 ALAN GREENSPAN APPOINTED TO FEDERAL RESERVE BOARD NYTC6899Y @ DC, USA 87/06/02 TESTIFIES NYBS13919I @ DC, USA 94/07/20 10:31:30 TREASURY SECRETARY RUBIN ON MEXICAN BAILOUT UNABLE TO VERIFY DATE 94/01/17 WITH ANY VIDEO CASSETTE 10:32:27 MICKEY KANTOR ON TRADE SANCTIONS W/ JAPAN DCBB69862A @ DC, USA 95/05/16 10:33:42 BILL CLINTON ON WELFARE 93/02/17 NYBN13581S @ DC, USA 93/02/17 10:34:10 SOCIAL SECURITY CHECKS NYBU14192N @ DC, USA 95/10/13 10:34:54 WARREN BUFFETT ON SALOMON BROTHERS SCANDAL NYBQ12680I @ NY,NY 91/08/18 10:35:19 LAURA TYSON COMMENTS OF BUDGET DCBA72175A @ DC, USA 95/02/15 10:36:01 RON BROWN COMMENTS ON GLOBAL COMPETITION 94/02/16 DCBA62746C @ DC, USA (WHITE HOUSE) 94/02/16 10:36:45 COKE HEADQUARTERS, COCA COLA, ATLANTA, GA ATBA1004A @ ATLANTA, GA. 88/07/13 10:37:00 FORMER TREASURY SECRETARIES ORIGIN OF VIDEO UNKNOWN 10:38:30 WILLIAM MILLER, FEDERAL RESERVE CHAIRMAN AND MICHAEL BLUMENTHAL, SECRETARY OF THE TREASURY 212327 @ FILM X-FER 79/07/18 10:39:09 TREASURY SECRETARY HENRY FOWLER NYTB10909K @ FILM X-FER MARCH REPORT 1968 OF LBJ 10:39:17 TREASURY SECRETARY WILLIAM SIMON UNKNOWN TAPE. WAS IN OFFICE UNDER GERALD FORD 10:40:22 SENATOR EDWARD "TED" KENNEDY ON INFLATION AND JOBS DCTA1389I @ WORCHESTER, MASS 80/03/03 MERGERS 10:41:37 ED SCHOLLMEYER OF PAINE WEBBER ON MERGERS & ACQUISITIONS AND JOBS NYTA7295A @ NY, NY 87/03/05 10:42:53 FOOD COMPANY MERGERS NYBU10909U @ MINNEAPOLIS, MINN. 88/10/21 10:43:21 KOHLBERG KRAVIS ROBERTS HEADQUARTERS, 9 WEST 57 ST. NYBB10856A @ NY, NY 88/11/20 10:43:24 HENRY KRAVITZ AND WIFE AND RJR MERGER DCBV1846N @ NYC 90/02/13 10:43:37 PARAMOUNT/VIACOM MERGER NYBU13771G @ NY, NY 93/09/27 10:44:10 DISNEY COMPANY/CAPITAL CITIES/ABC MERGER NYBT14188N @ NY,NY 95/07/31 10:45:17 TIME WARNER/CNN MERGER NYBG14192T @ NY,NY 95/08/30 10:48:22 BLANK TO END.

CLIP REEL OF ECONOMICS IN THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA (USA). 11:12:11 SLATE (TC JUMP). 10:00:00 LABOR STRIKES BOEING, UNITED AUTO WORKERS (UAW), ANTI SCAB, CLASH WITH POLICE. CHBA23445B @ DECATUR, ILL. 95/02/23 NYBJ14199Y @ UNKNOWN 95/12/05 NYBJ14190Y @ STERLING HEIGHTS, MICH. NYBU14189B @ SEATTLE, WASH. 95/10/06 10:04:08 TIMBER INDUSTRY LOGGING, SPOTTED OWL DCTB40029A @ UNKNOWN 88/10/31 NYBZ12785N @ VARIOUS 92/02/04 10:05:31 MUTUAL FUNDS COMPUTER TRANSACTION, TELEPHONE ACCOUNT MANAGEMENT. NYBO13592V @ BOSTON, MASS. 92/12/03 NYBS13845J @ BOSTON, MASS. 94/03/31 10:06:53 BONDS - SAVINGS BONDS, PURCHASING, WW II BONDS CHTA17358A @ CHICAGO, ILL. 86/10/29 CHTB17358A @ CHICAGO, ILL. 86/10/30 10:07:48 AIRLINE INDUSTRY - PLANES LANDING, TAKING OFF - UNITED, NORTHWEST, US AIR, CONTINENTAL, AMERICAN, DELTA - BUSY AIRPORT. NYBD14029L @ DENVER, COLO. 93/02/08 NYBD14029N @ DENVER, COLO. 93/02/10 NYBN13553E @ NEWARK, NEW JERSEY 92/11/05 10:10:50 AT&T - 1982 "BELL DCTC7501A @ DC, USA 82/01/08 1996 BREAK-UP & DOWNSIZING NYBG14191F @ NY, NY 95/09/20 10:11:41 IBM EXTERIORS NYBI13952D @ ARMONK, NY 94/08/22 10:12:03 GASOLINE - 1973 GAS SHORTAGE - 1970'S GAS LINES, 305921 @ UNKNOWN, FILM X-FER 78/06/20 10:13:50 1979 GAS SHORTAGE - GAS LINES NYTK11957F @ NY, NY 79/05/25 10:16:38 1986 GAS PRICES - CHEAP GAS - PUMPING GAS CHTB6544A @ CHICAGO, ILL. 86/03.31 10:18:12 STOCK MARKET - TRADING, TRADING HOUSE NYSE, GOLDMAN SACHS, CLOSING-BELL, CHICAGO BOARD OF TRADE, ELECTRONIC TICKER CHBA17680A @ CHICAGO, ILL 89/08/01 NYBW12725L @ NY, NY 91/11/18 NYBC13667X @ NY, NY 90/02/20 NYBO13845O @ NY, NY 94/03/31 NYBF14833T @ VARIOUS 96/03/25 10:23:07 AUTO INDUSTRY, IACOCCA PC, JAPANESE IMPORTS, AUTO MANUFACTURING NYTA1334D @ NY, NY 80/06/24 NYTB10602P @ PORTLAND, ORE. 88/02/06 NYTM3840Z @ DETROIT, MICH. 83/07/24 CHBA23336J @ DETROIT, MICH. 94/01/24 10:25:50 AUTO SALES - SHOWROOMS, SALESPERSONS, STICKER PRICES, BUYERS NYBG13893X @ LOS ANGELES, CA 94/05/18 NYBD13931N @ NY, NY 94/04/18 DCBA65015B @ DC, USA 94/07/14 NYBY13642Y @ NY, NY 92/07/30 CHBD21752A @ CHICAGO, ILL. 96/03/18 10:28:41 LYNDON BAINES JOHNSON (LBJ) SPEAKS ON POVERTY 64/05/09 SPBB2111A @ OFF AIR 64/05/09 10:29:10 RICHARD NIXON - SPEAKS ON RECESSION, 74/01/30 SPBB1490A @ OFF AIR 74/01/30 10:29:48 JIMMY CARTER - -SPEAKS ON ECONOMIC UNCERTAINTY, 77/07/12 SPBB1678A @ OFF AIR 77/07/12 10:30:15 GEORGE BUSH - SPEAKS ON THE ECONOMY 92/07/31 NYBA13516K @ RIVERSIDE, CA 92/07/31 SPEAKS ON ECONOMY 92/01/30 DCBF51100B @ DC, USA 92/01/28 10:31:00 ALAN GREENSPAN APPOINTED TO FEDERAL RESERVE BOARD NYTC6899Y @ DC, USA 87/06/02 TESTIFIES NYBS13919I @ DC, USA 94/07/20 10:31:30 TREASURY SECRETARY RUBIN ON MEXICAN BAILOUT UNABLE TO VERIFY DATE 94/01/17 WITH ANY VIDEO CASSETTE 10:32:27 MICKEY KANTOR ON TRADE SANCTIONS W/ JAPAN DCBB69862A @ DC, USA 95/05/16 10:33:42 BILL CLINTON ON WELFARE 93/02/17 NYBN13581S @ DC, USA 93/02/17 10:34:10 SOCIAL SECURITY CHECKS NYBU14192N @ DC, USA 95/10/13 10:34:54 WARREN BUFFETT ON SALOMON BROTHERS SCANDAL NYBQ12680I @ NY,NY 91/08/18 10:35:19 LAURA TYSON COMMENTS OF BUDGET DCBA72175A @ DC, USA 95/02/15 10:36:01 RON BROWN COMMENTS ON GLOBAL COMPETITION 94/02/16 DCBA62746C @ DC, USA (WHITE HOUSE) 94/02/16 10:36:45 COKE HEADQUARTERS, COCA COLA, ATLANTA, GA ATBA1004A @ ATLANTA, GA. 88/07/13 10:37:00 FORMER TREASURY SECRETARIES ORIGIN OF VIDEO UNKNOWN 10:38:30 WILLIAM MILLER, FEDERAL RESERVE CHAIRMAN AND MICHAEL BLUMENTHAL, SECRETARY OF THE TREASURY 212327 @ FILM X-FER 79/07/18 10:39:09 TREASURY SECRETARY HENRY FOWLER NYTB10909K @ FILM X-FER MARCH REPORT 1968 OF LBJ 10:39:17 TREASURY SECRETARY WILLIAM SIMON UNKNOWN TAPE. WAS IN OFFICE UNDER GERALD FORD 10:40:22 SENATOR EDWARD "TED" KENNEDY ON INFLATION AND JOBS DCTA1389I @ WORCHESTER, MASS 80/03/03 MERGERS 10:41:37 ED SCHOLLMEYER OF PAINE WEBBER ON MERGERS & ACQUISITIONS AND JOBS NYTA7295A @ NY, NY 87/03/05 10:42:53 FOOD COMPANY MERGERS NYBU10909U @ MINNEAPOLIS, MINN. 88/10/21 10:43:21 KOHLBERG KRAVIS ROBERTS HEADQUARTERS, 9 WEST 57 ST. NYBB10856A @ NY, NY 88/11/20 10:43:24 HENRY KRAVITZ AND WIFE AND RJR MERGER DCBV1846N @ NYC 90/02/13 10:43:37 PARAMOUNT/VIACOM MERGER NYBU13771G @ NY, NY 93/09/27 10:44:10 DISNEY COMPANY/CAPITAL CITIES/ABC MERGER NYBT14188N @ NY,NY 95/07/31 10:45:17 TIME WARNER/CNN MERGER NYBG14192T @ NY,NY 95/08/30 10:48:22 BLANK TO END.

CLIP REEL OF ECONOMICS IN THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA (USA). 11:12:11 SLATE (TC JUMP). 10:00:00 LABOR STRIKES BOEING, UNITED AUTO WORKERS (UAW), ANTI SCAB, CLASH WITH POLICE. CHBA23445B @ DECATUR, ILL. 95/02/23 NYBJ14199Y @ UNKNOWN 95/12/05 NYBJ14190Y @ STERLING HEIGHTS, MICH. NYBU14189B @ SEATTLE, WASH. 95/10/06 10:04:08 TIMBER INDUSTRY LOGGING, SPOTTED OWL DCTB40029A @ UNKNOWN 88/10/31 NYBZ12785N @ VARIOUS 92/02/04 10:05:31 MUTUAL FUNDS COMPUTER TRANSACTION, TELEPHONE ACCOUNT MANAGEMENT. NYBO13592V @ BOSTON, MASS. 92/12/03 NYBS13845J @ BOSTON, MASS. 94/03/31 10:06:53 BONDS - SAVINGS BONDS, PURCHASING, WW II BONDS CHTA17358A @ CHICAGO, ILL. 86/10/29 CHTB17358A @ CHICAGO, ILL. 86/10/30 10:07:48 AIRLINE INDUSTRY - PLANES LANDING, TAKING OFF - UNITED, NORTHWEST, US AIR, CONTINENTAL, AMERICAN, DELTA - BUSY AIRPORT. NYBD14029L @ DENVER, COLO. 93/02/08 NYBD14029N @ DENVER, COLO. 93/02/10 NYBN13553E @ NEWARK, NEW JERSEY 92/11/05 10:10:50 AT&T - 1982 "BELL DCTC7501A @ DC, USA 82/01/08 1996 BREAK-UP & DOWNSIZING NYBG14191F @ NY, NY 95/09/20 10:11:41 IBM EXTERIORS NYBI13952D @ ARMONK, NY 94/08/22 10:12:03 GASOLINE - 1973 GAS SHORTAGE - 1970'S GAS LINES, 305921 @ UNKNOWN, FILM X-FER 78/06/20 10:13:50 1979 GAS SHORTAGE - GAS LINES NYTK11957F @ NY, NY 79/05/25 10:16:38 1986 GAS PRICES - CHEAP GAS - PUMPING GAS CHTB6544A @ CHICAGO, ILL. 86/03.31 10:18:12 STOCK MARKET - TRADING, TRADING HOUSE NYSE, GOLDMAN SACHS, CLOSING-BELL, CHICAGO BOARD OF TRADE, ELECTRONIC TICKER CHBA17680A @ CHICAGO, ILL 89/08/01 NYBW12725L @ NY, NY 91/11/18 NYBC13667X @ NY, NY 90/02/20 NYBO13845O @ NY, NY 94/03/31 NYBF14833T @ VARIOUS 96/03/25 10:23:07 AUTO INDUSTRY, IACOCCA PC, JAPANESE IMPORTS, AUTO MANUFACTURING NYTA1334D @ NY, NY 80/06/24 NYTB10602P @ PORTLAND, ORE. 88/02/06 NYTM3840Z @ DETROIT, MICH. 83/07/24 CHBA23336J @ DETROIT, MICH. 94/01/24 10:25:50 AUTO SALES - SHOWROOMS, SALESPERSONS, STICKER PRICES, BUYERS NYBG13893X @ LOS ANGELES, CA 94/05/18 NYBD13931N @ NY, NY 94/04/18 DCBA65015B @ DC, USA 94/07/14 NYBY13642Y @ NY, NY 92/07/30 CHBD21752A @ CHICAGO, ILL. 96/03/18 10:28:41 LYNDON BAINES JOHNSON (LBJ) SPEAKS ON POVERTY 64/05/09 SPBB2111A @ OFF AIR 64/05/09 10:29:10 RICHARD NIXON - SPEAKS ON RECESSION, 74/01/30 SPBB1490A @ OFF AIR 74/01/30 10:29:48 JIMMY CARTER - -SPEAKS ON ECONOMIC UNCERTAINTY, 77/07/12 SPBB1678A @ OFF AIR 77/07/12 10:30:15 GEORGE BUSH - SPEAKS ON THE ECONOMY 92/07/31 NYBA13516K @ RIVERSIDE, CA 92/07/31 SPEAKS ON ECONOMY 92/01/30 DCBF51100B @ DC, USA 92/01/28 10:31:00 ALAN GREENSPAN APPOINTED TO FEDERAL RESERVE BOARD NYTC6899Y @ DC, USA 87/06/02 TESTIFIES NYBS13919I @ DC, USA 94/07/20 10:31:30 TREASURY SECRETARY RUBIN ON MEXICAN BAILOUT UNABLE TO VERIFY DATE 94/01/17 WITH ANY VIDEO CASSETTE 10:32:27 MICKEY KANTOR ON TRADE SANCTIONS W/ JAPAN DCBB69862A @ DC, USA 95/05/16 10:33:42 BILL CLINTON ON WELFARE 93/02/17 NYBN13581S @ DC, USA 93/02/17 10:34:10 SOCIAL SECURITY CHECKS NYBU14192N @ DC, USA 95/10/13 10:34:54 WARREN BUFFETT ON SALOMON BROTHERS SCANDAL NYBQ12680I @ NY,NY 91/08/18 10:35:19 LAURA TYSON COMMENTS OF BUDGET DCBA72175A @ DC, USA 95/02/15 10:36:01 RON BROWN COMMENTS ON GLOBAL COMPETITION 94/02/16 DCBA62746C @ DC, USA (WHITE HOUSE) 94/02/16 10:36:45 COKE HEADQUARTERS, COCA COLA, ATLANTA, GA ATBA1004A @ ATLANTA, GA. 88/07/13 10:37:00 FORMER TREASURY SECRETARIES ORIGIN OF VIDEO UNKNOWN 10:38:30 WILLIAM MILLER, FEDERAL RESERVE CHAIRMAN AND MICHAEL BLUMENTHAL, SECRETARY OF THE TREASURY 212327 @ FILM X-FER 79/07/18 10:39:09 TREASURY SECRETARY HENRY FOWLER NYTB10909K @ FILM X-FER MARCH REPORT 1968 OF LBJ 10:39:17 TREASURY SECRETARY WILLIAM SIMON UNKNOWN TAPE. WAS IN OFFICE UNDER GERALD FORD 10:40:22 SENATOR EDWARD "TED" KENNEDY ON INFLATION AND JOBS DCTA1389I @ WORCHESTER, MASS 80/03/03 MERGERS 10:41:37 ED SCHOLLMEYER OF PAINE WEBBER ON MERGERS & ACQUISITIONS AND JOBS NYTA7295A @ NY, NY 87/03/05 10:42:53 FOOD COMPANY MERGERS NYBU10909U @ MINNEAPOLIS, MINN. 88/10/21 10:43:21 KOHLBERG KRAVIS ROBERTS HEADQUARTERS, 9 WEST 57 ST. NYBB10856A @ NY, NY 88/11/20 10:43:24 HENRY KRAVITZ AND WIFE AND RJR MERGER DCBV1846N @ NYC 90/02/13 10:43:37 PARAMOUNT/VIACOM MERGER NYBU13771G @ NY, NY 93/09/27 10:44:10 DISNEY COMPANY/CAPITAL CITIES/ABC MERGER NYBT14188N @ NY,NY 95/07/31 10:45:17 TIME WARNER/CNN MERGER NYBG14192T @ NY,NY 95/08/30 10:48:22 BLANK TO END.

CLIP REEL OF ECONOMICS IN THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA (USA). 11:12:11 SLATE (TC JUMP). 10:00:00 LABOR STRIKES BOEING, UNITED AUTO WORKERS (UAW), ANTI SCAB, CLASH WITH POLICE. CHBA23445B @ DECATUR, ILL. 95/02/23 NYBJ14199Y @ UNKNOWN 95/12/05 NYBJ14190Y @ STERLING HEIGHTS, MICH. NYBU14189B @ SEATTLE, WASH. 95/10/06 10:04:08 TIMBER INDUSTRY LOGGING, SPOTTED OWL DCTB40029A @ UNKNOWN 88/10/31 NYBZ12785N @ VARIOUS 92/02/04 10:05:31 MUTUAL FUNDS COMPUTER TRANSACTION, TELEPHONE ACCOUNT MANAGEMENT. NYBO13592V @ BOSTON, MASS. 92/12/03 NYBS13845J @ BOSTON, MASS. 94/03/31 10:06:53 BONDS - SAVINGS BONDS, PURCHASING, WW II BONDS CHTA17358A @ CHICAGO, ILL. 86/10/29 CHTB17358A @ CHICAGO, ILL. 86/10/30 10:07:48 AIRLINE INDUSTRY - PLANES LANDING, TAKING OFF - UNITED, NORTHWEST, US AIR, CONTINENTAL, AMERICAN, DELTA - BUSY AIRPORT. NYBD14029L @ DENVER, COLO. 93/02/08 NYBD14029N @ DENVER, COLO. 93/02/10 NYBN13553E @ NEWARK, NEW JERSEY 92/11/05 10:10:50 AT&T - 1982 "BELL DCTC7501A @ DC, USA 82/01/08 1996 BREAK-UP & DOWNSIZING NYBG14191F @ NY, NY 95/09/20 10:11:41 IBM EXTERIORS NYBI13952D @ ARMONK, NY 94/08/22 10:12:03 GASOLINE - 1973 GAS SHORTAGE - 1970'S GAS LINES, 305921 @ UNKNOWN, FILM X-FER 78/06/20 10:13:50 1979 GAS SHORTAGE - GAS LINES NYTK11957F @ NY, NY 79/05/25 10:16:38 1986 GAS PRICES - CHEAP GAS - PUMPING GAS CHTB6544A @ CHICAGO, ILL. 86/03.31 10:18:12 STOCK MARKET - TRADING, TRADING HOUSE NYSE, GOLDMAN SACHS, CLOSING-BELL, CHICAGO BOARD OF TRADE, ELECTRONIC TICKER CHBA17680A @ CHICAGO, ILL 89/08/01 NYBW12725L @ NY, NY 91/11/18 NYBC13667X @ NY, NY 90/02/20 NYBO13845O @ NY, NY 94/03/31 NYBF14833T @ VARIOUS 96/03/25 10:23:07 AUTO INDUSTRY, IACOCCA PC, JAPANESE IMPORTS, AUTO MANUFACTURING NYTA1334D @ NY, NY 80/06/24 NYTB10602P @ PORTLAND, ORE. 88/02/06 NYTM3840Z @ DETROIT, MICH. 83/07/24 CHBA23336J @ DETROIT, MICH. 94/01/24 10:25:50 AUTO SALES - SHOWROOMS, SALESPERSONS, STICKER PRICES, BUYERS NYBG13893X @ LOS ANGELES, CA 94/05/18 NYBD13931N @ NY, NY 94/04/18 DCBA65015B @ DC, USA 94/07/14 NYBY13642Y @ NY, NY 92/07/30 CHBD21752A @ CHICAGO, ILL. 96/03/18 10:28:41 LYNDON BAINES JOHNSON (LBJ) SPEAKS ON POVERTY 64/05/09 SPBB2111A @ OFF AIR 64/05/09 10:29:10 RICHARD NIXON - SPEAKS ON RECESSION, 74/01/30 SPBB1490A @ OFF AIR 74/01/30 10:29:48 JIMMY CARTER - -SPEAKS ON ECONOMIC UNCERTAINTY, 77/07/12 SPBB1678A @ OFF AIR 77/07/12 10:30:15 GEORGE BUSH - SPEAKS ON THE ECONOMY 92/07/31 NYBA13516K @ RIVERSIDE, CA 92/07/31 SPEAKS ON ECONOMY 92/01/30 DCBF51100B @ DC, USA 92/01/28 10:31:00 ALAN GREENSPAN APPOINTED TO FEDERAL RESERVE BOARD NYTC6899Y @ DC, USA 87/06/02 TESTIFIES NYBS13919I @ DC, USA 94/07/20 10:31:30 TREASURY SECRETARY RUBIN ON MEXICAN BAILOUT UNABLE TO VERIFY DATE 94/01/17 WITH ANY VIDEO CASSETTE 10:32:27 MICKEY KANTOR ON TRADE SANCTIONS W/ JAPAN DCBB69862A @ DC, USA 95/05/16 10:33:42 BILL CLINTON ON WELFARE 93/02/17 NYBN13581S @ DC, USA 93/02/17 10:34:10 SOCIAL SECURITY CHECKS NYBU14192N @ DC, USA 95/10/13 10:34:54 WARREN BUFFETT ON SALOMON BROTHERS SCANDAL NYBQ12680I @ NY,NY 91/08/18 10:35:19 LAURA TYSON COMMENTS OF BUDGET DCBA72175A @ DC, USA 95/02/15 10:36:01 RON BROWN COMMENTS ON GLOBAL COMPETITION 94/02/16 DCBA62746C @ DC, USA (WHITE HOUSE) 94/02/16 10:36:45 COKE HEADQUARTERS, COCA COLA, ATLANTA, GA ATBA1004A @ ATLANTA, GA. 88/07/13 10:37:00 FORMER TREASURY SECRETARIES ORIGIN OF VIDEO UNKNOWN 10:38:30 WILLIAM MILLER, FEDERAL RESERVE CHAIRMAN AND MICHAEL BLUMENTHAL, SECRETARY OF THE TREASURY 212327 @ FILM X-FER 79/07/18 10:39:09 TREASURY SECRETARY HENRY FOWLER NYTB10909K @ FILM X-FER MARCH REPORT 1968 OF LBJ 10:39:17 TREASURY SECRETARY WILLIAM SIMON UNKNOWN TAPE. WAS IN OFFICE UNDER GERALD FORD 10:40:22 SENATOR EDWARD "TED" KENNEDY ON INFLATION AND JOBS DCTA1389I @ WORCHESTER, MASS 80/03/03 MERGERS 10:41:37 ED SCHOLLMEYER OF PAINE WEBBER ON MERGERS & ACQUISITIONS AND JOBS NYTA7295A @ NY, NY 87/03/05 10:42:53 FOOD COMPANY MERGERS NYBU10909U @ MINNEAPOLIS, MINN. 88/10/21 10:43:21 KOHLBERG KRAVIS ROBERTS HEADQUARTERS, 9 WEST 57 ST. NYBB10856A @ NY, NY 88/11/20 10:43:24 HENRY KRAVITZ AND WIFE AND RJR MERGER DCBV1846N @ NYC 90/02/13 10:43:37 PARAMOUNT/VIACOM MERGER NYBU13771G @ NY, NY 93/09/27 10:44:10 DISNEY COMPANY/CAPITAL CITIES/ABC MERGER NYBT14188N @ NY,NY 95/07/31 10:45:17 TIME WARNER/CNN MERGER NYBG14192T @ NY,NY 95/08/30 10:48:22 BLANK TO END.

CLIP REEL OF ECONOMICS IN THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA (USA). 11:12:11 SLATE (TC JUMP). 10:00:00 LABOR STRIKES BOEING, UNITED AUTO WORKERS (UAW), ANTI SCAB, CLASH WITH POLICE. CHBA23445B @ DECATUR, ILL. 95/02/23 NYBJ14199Y @ UNKNOWN 95/12/05 NYBJ14190Y @ STERLING HEIGHTS, MICH. NYBU14189B @ SEATTLE, WASH. 95/10/06 10:04:08 TIMBER INDUSTRY LOGGING, SPOTTED OWL DCTB40029A @ UNKNOWN 88/10/31 NYBZ12785N @ VARIOUS 92/02/04 10:05:31 MUTUAL FUNDS COMPUTER TRANSACTION, TELEPHONE ACCOUNT MANAGEMENT. NYBO13592V @ BOSTON, MASS. 92/12/03 NYBS13845J @ BOSTON, MASS. 94/03/31 10:06:53 BONDS - SAVINGS BONDS, PURCHASING, WW II BONDS CHTA17358A @ CHICAGO, ILL. 86/10/29 CHTB17358A @ CHICAGO, ILL. 86/10/30 10:07:48 AIRLINE INDUSTRY - PLANES LANDING, TAKING OFF - UNITED, NORTHWEST, US AIR, CONTINENTAL, AMERICAN, DELTA - BUSY AIRPORT. NYBD14029L @ DENVER, COLO. 93/02/08 NYBD14029N @ DENVER, COLO. 93/02/10 NYBN13553E @ NEWARK, NEW JERSEY 92/11/05 10:10:50 AT&T - 1982 "BELL DCTC7501A @ DC, USA 82/01/08 1996 BREAK-UP & DOWNSIZING NYBG14191F @ NY, NY 95/09/20 10:11:41 IBM EXTERIORS NYBI13952D @ ARMONK, NY 94/08/22 10:12:03 GASOLINE - 1973 GAS SHORTAGE - 1970'S GAS LINES, 305921 @ UNKNOWN, FILM X-FER 78/06/20 10:13:50 1979 GAS SHORTAGE - GAS LINES NYTK11957F @ NY, NY 79/05/25 10:16:38 1986 GAS PRICES - CHEAP GAS - PUMPING GAS CHTB6544A @ CHICAGO, ILL. 86/03.31 10:18:12 STOCK MARKET - TRADING, TRADING HOUSE NYSE, GOLDMAN SACHS, CLOSING-BELL, CHICAGO BOARD OF TRADE, ELECTRONIC TICKER CHBA17680A @ CHICAGO, ILL 89/08/01 NYBW12725L @ NY, NY 91/11/18 NYBC13667X @ NY, NY 90/02/20 NYBO13845O @ NY, NY 94/03/31 NYBF14833T @ VARIOUS 96/03/25 10:23:07 AUTO INDUSTRY, IACOCCA PC, JAPANESE IMPORTS, AUTO MANUFACTURING NYTA1334D @ NY, NY 80/06/24 NYTB10602P @ PORTLAND, ORE. 88/02/06 NYTM3840Z @ DETROIT, MICH. 83/07/24 CHBA23336J @ DETROIT, MICH. 94/01/24 10:25:50 AUTO SALES - SHOWROOMS, SALESPERSONS, STICKER PRICES, BUYERS NYBG13893X @ LOS ANGELES, CA 94/05/18 NYBD13931N @ NY, NY 94/04/18 DCBA65015B @ DC, USA 94/07/14 NYBY13642Y @ NY, NY 92/07/30 CHBD21752A @ CHICAGO, ILL. 96/03/18 10:28:41 LYNDON BAINES JOHNSON (LBJ) SPEAKS ON POVERTY 64/05/09 SPBB2111A @ OFF AIR 64/05/09 10:29:10 RICHARD NIXON - SPEAKS ON RECESSION, 74/01/30 SPBB1490A @ OFF AIR 74/01/30 10:29:48 JIMMY CARTER - -SPEAKS ON ECONOMIC UNCERTAINTY, 77/07/12 SPBB1678A @ OFF AIR 77/07/12 10:30:15 GEORGE BUSH - SPEAKS ON THE ECONOMY 92/07/31 NYBA13516K @ RIVERSIDE, CA 92/07/31 SPEAKS ON ECONOMY 92/01/30 DCBF51100B @ DC, USA 92/01/28 10:31:00 ALAN GREENSPAN APPOINTED TO FEDERAL RESERVE BOARD NYTC6899Y @ DC, USA 87/06/02 TESTIFIES NYBS13919I @ DC, USA 94/07/20 10:31:30 TREASURY SECRETARY RUBIN ON MEXICAN BAILOUT UNABLE TO VERIFY DATE 94/01/17 WITH ANY VIDEO CASSETTE 10:32:27 MICKEY KANTOR ON TRADE SANCTIONS W/ JAPAN DCBB69862A @ DC, USA 95/05/16 10:33:42 BILL CLINTON ON WELFARE 93/02/17 NYBN13581S @ DC, USA 93/02/17 10:34:10 SOCIAL SECURITY CHECKS NYBU14192N @ DC, USA 95/10/13 10:34:54 WARREN BUFFETT ON SALOMON BROTHERS SCANDAL NYBQ12680I @ NY,NY 91/08/18 10:35:19 LAURA TYSON COMMENTS OF BUDGET DCBA72175A @ DC, USA 95/02/15 10:36:01 RON BROWN COMMENTS ON GLOBAL COMPETITION 94/02/16 DCBA62746C @ DC, USA (WHITE HOUSE) 94/02/16 10:36:45 COKE HEADQUARTERS, COCA COLA, ATLANTA, GA ATBA1004A @ ATLANTA, GA. 88/07/13 10:37:00 FORMER TREASURY SECRETARIES ORIGIN OF VIDEO UNKNOWN 10:38:30 WILLIAM MILLER, FEDERAL RESERVE CHAIRMAN AND MICHAEL BLUMENTHAL, SECRETARY OF THE TREASURY 212327 @ FILM X-FER 79/07/18 10:39:09 TREASURY SECRETARY HENRY FOWLER NYTB10909K @ FILM X-FER MARCH REPORT 1968 OF LBJ 10:39:17 TREASURY SECRETARY WILLIAM SIMON UNKNOWN TAPE. WAS IN OFFICE UNDER GERALD FORD 10:40:22 SENATOR EDWARD "TED" KENNEDY ON INFLATION AND JOBS DCTA1389I @ WORCHESTER, MASS 80/03/03 MERGERS 10:41:37 ED SCHOLLMEYER OF PAINE WEBBER ON MERGERS & ACQUISITIONS AND JOBS NYTA7295A @ NY, NY 87/03/05 10:42:53 FOOD COMPANY MERGERS NYBU10909U @ MINNEAPOLIS, MINN. 88/10/21 10:43:21 KOHLBERG KRAVIS ROBERTS HEADQUARTERS, 9 WEST 57 ST. NYBB10856A @ NY, NY 88/11/20 10:43:24 HENRY KRAVITZ AND WIFE AND RJR MERGER DCBV1846N @ NYC 90/02/13 10:43:37 PARAMOUNT/VIACOM MERGER NYBU13771G @ NY, NY 93/09/27 10:44:10 DISNEY COMPANY/CAPITAL CITIES/ABC MERGER NYBT14188N @ NY,NY 95/07/31 10:45:17 TIME WARNER/CNN MERGER NYBG14192T @ NY,NY 95/08/30 10:48:22 BLANK TO END.

CLIP REEL OF ECONOMICS IN THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA (USA). 11:12:11 SLATE (TC JUMP). 10:00:00 LABOR STRIKES BOEING, UNITED AUTO WORKERS (UAW), ANTI SCAB, CLASH WITH POLICE. CHBA23445B @ DECATUR, ILL. 95/02/23 NYBJ14199Y @ UNKNOWN 95/12/05 NYBJ14190Y @ STERLING HEIGHTS, MICH. NYBU14189B @ SEATTLE, WASH. 95/10/06 10:04:08 TIMBER INDUSTRY LOGGING, SPOTTED OWL DCTB40029A @ UNKNOWN 88/10/31 NYBZ12785N @ VARIOUS 92/02/04 10:05:31 MUTUAL FUNDS COMPUTER TRANSACTION, TELEPHONE ACCOUNT MANAGEMENT. NYBO13592V @ BOSTON, MASS. 92/12/03 NYBS13845J @ BOSTON, MASS. 94/03/31 10:06:53 BONDS - SAVINGS BONDS, PURCHASING, WW II BONDS CHTA17358A @ CHICAGO, ILL. 86/10/29 CHTB17358A @ CHICAGO, ILL. 86/10/30 10:07:48 AIRLINE INDUSTRY - PLANES LANDING, TAKING OFF - UNITED, NORTHWEST, US AIR, CONTINENTAL, AMERICAN, DELTA - BUSY AIRPORT. NYBD14029L @ DENVER, COLO. 93/02/08 NYBD14029N @ DENVER, COLO. 93/02/10 NYBN13553E @ NEWARK, NEW JERSEY 92/11/05 10:10:50 AT&T - 1982 "BELL DCTC7501A @ DC, USA 82/01/08 1996 BREAK-UP & DOWNSIZING NYBG14191F @ NY, NY 95/09/20 10:11:41 IBM EXTERIORS NYBI13952D @ ARMONK, NY 94/08/22 10:12:03 GASOLINE - 1973 GAS SHORTAGE - 1970'S GAS LINES, 305921 @ UNKNOWN, FILM X-FER 78/06/20 10:13:50 1979 GAS SHORTAGE - GAS LINES NYTK11957F @ NY, NY 79/05/25 10:16:38 1986 GAS PRICES - CHEAP GAS - PUMPING GAS CHTB6544A @ CHICAGO, ILL. 86/03.31 10:18:12 STOCK MARKET - TRADING, TRADING HOUSE NYSE, GOLDMAN SACHS, CLOSING-BELL, CHICAGO BOARD OF TRADE, ELECTRONIC TICKER CHBA17680A @ CHICAGO, ILL 89/08/01 NYBW12725L @ NY, NY 91/11/18 NYBC13667X @ NY, NY 90/02/20 NYBO13845O @ NY, NY 94/03/31 NYBF14833T @ VARIOUS 96/03/25 10:23:07 AUTO INDUSTRY, IACOCCA PC, JAPANESE IMPORTS, AUTO MANUFACTURING NYTA1334D @ NY, NY 80/06/24 NYTB10602P @ PORTLAND, ORE. 88/02/06 NYTM3840Z @ DETROIT, MICH. 83/07/24 CHBA23336J @ DETROIT, MICH. 94/01/24 10:25:50 AUTO SALES - SHOWROOMS, SALESPERSONS, STICKER PRICES, BUYERS NYBG13893X @ LOS ANGELES, CA 94/05/18 NYBD13931N @ NY, NY 94/04/18 DCBA65015B @ DC, USA 94/07/14 NYBY13642Y @ NY, NY 92/07/30 CHBD21752A @ CHICAGO, ILL. 96/03/18 10:28:41 LYNDON BAINES JOHNSON (LBJ) SPEAKS ON POVERTY 64/05/09 SPBB2111A @ OFF AIR 64/05/09 10:29:10 RICHARD NIXON - SPEAKS ON RECESSION, 74/01/30 SPBB1490A @ OFF AIR 74/01/30 10:29:48 JIMMY CARTER - -SPEAKS ON ECONOMIC UNCERTAINTY, 77/07/12 SPBB1678A @ OFF AIR 77/07/12 10:30:15 GEORGE BUSH - SPEAKS ON THE ECONOMY 92/07/31 NYBA13516K @ RIVERSIDE, CA 92/07/31 SPEAKS ON ECONOMY 92/01/30 DCBF51100B @ DC, USA 92/01/28 10:31:00 ALAN GREENSPAN APPOINTED TO FEDERAL RESERVE BOARD NYTC6899Y @ DC, USA 87/06/02 TESTIFIES NYBS13919I @ DC, USA 94/07/20 10:31:30 TREASURY SECRETARY RUBIN ON MEXICAN BAILOUT UNABLE TO VERIFY DATE 94/01/17 WITH ANY VIDEO CASSETTE 10:32:27 MICKEY KANTOR ON TRADE SANCTIONS W/ JAPAN DCBB69862A @ DC, USA 95/05/16 10:33:42 BILL CLINTON ON WELFARE 93/02/17 NYBN13581S @ DC, USA 93/02/17 10:34:10 SOCIAL SECURITY CHECKS NYBU14192N @ DC, USA 95/10/13 10:34:54 WARREN BUFFETT ON SALOMON BROTHERS SCANDAL NYBQ12680I @ NY,NY 91/08/18 10:35:19 LAURA TYSON COMMENTS OF BUDGET DCBA72175A @ DC, USA 95/02/15 10:36:01 RON BROWN COMMENTS ON GLOBAL COMPETITION 94/02/16 DCBA62746C @ DC, USA (WHITE HOUSE) 94/02/16 10:36:45 COKE HEADQUARTERS, COCA COLA, ATLANTA, GA ATBA1004A @ ATLANTA, GA. 88/07/13 10:37:00 FORMER TREASURY SECRETARIES ORIGIN OF VIDEO UNKNOWN 10:38:30 WILLIAM MILLER, FEDERAL RESERVE CHAIRMAN AND MICHAEL BLUMENTHAL, SECRETARY OF THE TREASURY 212327 @ FILM X-FER 79/07/18 10:39:09 TREASURY SECRETARY HENRY FOWLER NYTB10909K @ FILM X-FER MARCH REPORT 1968 OF LBJ 10:39:17 TREASURY SECRETARY WILLIAM SIMON UNKNOWN TAPE. WAS IN OFFICE UNDER GERALD FORD 10:40:22 SENATOR EDWARD "TED" KENNEDY ON INFLATION AND JOBS DCTA1389I @ WORCHESTER, MASS 80/03/03 MERGERS 10:41:37 ED SCHOLLMEYER OF PAINE WEBBER ON MERGERS & ACQUISITIONS AND JOBS NYTA7295A @ NY, NY 87/03/05 10:42:53 FOOD COMPANY MERGERS NYBU10909U @ MINNEAPOLIS, MINN. 88/10/21 10:43:21 KOHLBERG KRAVIS ROBERTS HEADQUARTERS, 9 WEST 57 ST. NYBB10856A @ NY, NY 88/11/20 10:43:24 HENRY KRAVITZ AND WIFE AND RJR MERGER DCBV1846N @ NYC 90/02/13 10:43:37 PARAMOUNT/VIACOM MERGER NYBU13771G @ NY, NY 93/09/27 10:44:10 DISNEY COMPANY/CAPITAL CITIES/ABC MERGER NYBT14188N @ NY,NY 95/07/31 10:45:17 TIME WARNER/CNN MERGER NYBG14192T @ NY,NY 95/08/30 10:48:22 BLANK TO END.

CLIP REEL OF ECONOMICS IN THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA (USA). 11:12:11 SLATE (TC JUMP). 10:00:00 LABOR STRIKES BOEING, UNITED AUTO WORKERS (UAW), ANTI SCAB, CLASH WITH POLICE. CHBA23445B @ DECATUR, ILL. 95/02/23 NYBJ14199Y @ UNKNOWN 95/12/05 NYBJ14190Y @ STERLING HEIGHTS, MICH. NYBU14189B @ SEATTLE, WASH. 95/10/06 10:04:08 TIMBER INDUSTRY LOGGING, SPOTTED OWL DCTB40029A @ UNKNOWN 88/10/31 NYBZ12785N @ VARIOUS 92/02/04 10:05:31 MUTUAL FUNDS COMPUTER TRANSACTION, TELEPHONE ACCOUNT MANAGEMENT. NYBO13592V @ BOSTON, MASS. 92/12/03 NYBS13845J @ BOSTON, MASS. 94/03/31 10:06:53 BONDS - SAVINGS BONDS, PURCHASING, WW II BONDS CHTA17358A @ CHICAGO, ILL. 86/10/29 CHTB17358A @ CHICAGO, ILL. 86/10/30 10:07:48 AIRLINE INDUSTRY - PLANES LANDING, TAKING OFF - UNITED, NORTHWEST, US AIR, CONTINENTAL, AMERICAN, DELTA - BUSY AIRPORT. NYBD14029L @ DENVER, COLO. 93/02/08 NYBD14029N @ DENVER, COLO. 93/02/10 NYBN13553E @ NEWARK, NEW JERSEY 92/11/05 10:10:50 AT&T - 1982 "BELL DCTC7501A @ DC, USA 82/01/08 1996 BREAK-UP & DOWNSIZING NYBG14191F @ NY, NY 95/09/20 10:11:41 IBM EXTERIORS NYBI13952D @ ARMONK, NY 94/08/22 10:12:03 GASOLINE - 1973 GAS SHORTAGE - 1970'S GAS LINES, 305921 @ UNKNOWN, FILM X-FER 78/06/20 10:13:50 1979 GAS SHORTAGE - GAS LINES NYTK11957F @ NY, NY 79/05/25 10:16:38 1986 GAS PRICES - CHEAP GAS - PUMPING GAS CHTB6544A @ CHICAGO, ILL. 86/03.31 10:18:12 STOCK MARKET - TRADING, TRADING HOUSE NYSE, GOLDMAN SACHS, CLOSING-BELL, CHICAGO BOARD OF TRADE, ELECTRONIC TICKER CHBA17680A @ CHICAGO, ILL 89/08/01 NYBW12725L @ NY, NY 91/11/18 NYBC13667X @ NY, NY 90/02/20 NYBO13845O @ NY, NY 94/03/31 NYBF14833T @ VARIOUS 96/03/25 10:23:07 AUTO INDUSTRY, IACOCCA PC, JAPANESE IMPORTS, AUTO MANUFACTURING NYTA1334D @ NY, NY 80/06/24 NYTB10602P @ PORTLAND, ORE. 88/02/06 NYTM3840Z @ DETROIT, MICH. 83/07/24 CHBA23336J @ DETROIT, MICH. 94/01/24 10:25:50 AUTO SALES - SHOWROOMS, SALESPERSONS, STICKER PRICES, BUYERS NYBG13893X @ LOS ANGELES, CA 94/05/18 NYBD13931N @ NY, NY 94/04/18 DCBA65015B @ DC, USA 94/07/14 NYBY13642Y @ NY, NY 92/07/30 CHBD21752A @ CHICAGO, ILL. 96/03/18 10:28:41 LYNDON BAINES JOHNSON (LBJ) SPEAKS ON POVERTY 64/05/09 SPBB2111A @ OFF AIR 64/05/09 10:29:10 RICHARD NIXON - SPEAKS ON RECESSION, 74/01/30 SPBB1490A @ OFF AIR 74/01/30 10:29:48 JIMMY CARTER - -SPEAKS ON ECONOMIC UNCERTAINTY, 77/07/12 SPBB1678A @ OFF AIR 77/07/12 10:30:15 GEORGE BUSH - SPEAKS ON THE ECONOMY 92/07/31 NYBA13516K @ RIVERSIDE, CA 92/07/31 SPEAKS ON ECONOMY 92/01/30 DCBF51100B @ DC, USA 92/01/28 10:31:00 ALAN GREENSPAN APPOINTED TO FEDERAL RESERVE BOARD NYTC6899Y @ DC, USA 87/06/02 TESTIFIES NYBS13919I @ DC, USA 94/07/20 10:31:30 TREASURY SECRETARY RUBIN ON MEXICAN BAILOUT UNABLE TO VERIFY DATE 94/01/17 WITH ANY VIDEO CASSETTE 10:32:27 MICKEY KANTOR ON TRADE SANCTIONS W/ JAPAN DCBB69862A @ DC, USA 95/05/16 10:33:42 BILL CLINTON ON WELFARE 93/02/17 NYBN13581S @ DC, USA 93/02/17 10:34:10 SOCIAL SECURITY CHECKS NYBU14192N @ DC, USA 95/10/13 10:34:54 WARREN BUFFETT ON SALOMON BROTHERS SCANDAL NYBQ12680I @ NY,NY 91/08/18 10:35:19 LAURA TYSON COMMENTS OF BUDGET DCBA72175A @ DC, USA 95/02/15 10:36:01 RON BROWN COMMENTS ON GLOBAL COMPETITION 94/02/16 DCBA62746C @ DC, USA (WHITE HOUSE) 94/02/16 10:36:45 COKE HEADQUARTERS, COCA COLA, ATLANTA, GA ATBA1004A @ ATLANTA, GA. 88/07/13 10:37:00 FORMER TREASURY SECRETARIES ORIGIN OF VIDEO UNKNOWN 10:38:30 WILLIAM MILLER, FEDERAL RESERVE CHAIRMAN AND MICHAEL BLUMENTHAL, SECRETARY OF THE TREASURY 212327 @ FILM X-FER 79/07/18 10:39:09 TREASURY SECRETARY HENRY FOWLER NYTB10909K @ FILM X-FER MARCH REPORT 1968 OF LBJ 10:39:17 TREASURY SECRETARY WILLIAM SIMON UNKNOWN TAPE. WAS IN OFFICE UNDER GERALD FORD 10:40:22 SENATOR EDWARD "TED" KENNEDY ON INFLATION AND JOBS DCTA1389I @ WORCHESTER, MASS 80/03/03 MERGERS 10:41:37 ED SCHOLLMEYER OF PAINE WEBBER ON MERGERS & ACQUISITIONS AND JOBS NYTA7295A @ NY, NY 87/03/05 10:42:53 FOOD COMPANY MERGERS NYBU10909U @ MINNEAPOLIS, MINN. 88/10/21 10:43:21 KOHLBERG KRAVIS ROBERTS HEADQUARTERS, 9 WEST 57 ST. NYBB10856A @ NY, NY 88/11/20 10:43:24 HENRY KRAVITZ AND WIFE AND RJR MERGER DCBV1846N @ NYC 90/02/13 10:43:37 PARAMOUNT/VIACOM MERGER NYBU13771G @ NY, NY 93/09/27 10:44:10 DISNEY COMPANY/CAPITAL CITIES/ABC MERGER NYBT14188N @ NY,NY 95/07/31 10:45:17 TIME WARNER/CNN MERGER NYBG14192T @ NY,NY 95/08/30 10:48:22 BLANK TO END.

CLIP REEL OF ECONOMICS IN THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA (USA). 11:12:11 SLATE (TC JUMP). 10:00:00 LABOR STRIKES BOEING, UNITED AUTO WORKERS (UAW), ANTI SCAB, CLASH WITH POLICE. CHBA23445B @ DECATUR, ILL. 95/02/23 NYBJ14199Y @ UNKNOWN 95/12/05 NYBJ14190Y @ STERLING HEIGHTS, MICH. NYBU14189B @ SEATTLE, WASH. 95/10/06 10:04:08 TIMBER INDUSTRY LOGGING, SPOTTED OWL DCTB40029A @ UNKNOWN 88/10/31 NYBZ12785N @ VARIOUS 92/02/04 10:05:31 MUTUAL FUNDS COMPUTER TRANSACTION, TELEPHONE ACCOUNT MANAGEMENT. NYBO13592V @ BOSTON, MASS. 92/12/03 NYBS13845J @ BOSTON, MASS. 94/03/31 10:06:53 BONDS - SAVINGS BONDS, PURCHASING, WW II BONDS CHTA17358A @ CHICAGO, ILL. 86/10/29 CHTB17358A @ CHICAGO, ILL. 86/10/30 10:07:48 AIRLINE INDUSTRY - PLANES LANDING, TAKING OFF - UNITED, NORTHWEST, US AIR, CONTINENTAL, AMERICAN, DELTA - BUSY AIRPORT. NYBD14029L @ DENVER, COLO. 93/02/08 NYBD14029N @ DENVER, COLO. 93/02/10 NYBN13553E @ NEWARK, NEW JERSEY 92/11/05 10:10:50 AT&T - 1982 "BELL DCTC7501A @ DC, USA 82/01/08 1996 BREAK-UP & DOWNSIZING NYBG14191F @ NY, NY 95/09/20 10:11:41 IBM EXTERIORS NYBI13952D @ ARMONK, NY 94/08/22 10:12:03 GASOLINE - 1973 GAS SHORTAGE - 1970'S GAS LINES, 305921 @ UNKNOWN, FILM X-FER 78/06/20 10:13:50 1979 GAS SHORTAGE - GAS LINES NYTK11957F @ NY, NY 79/05/25 10:16:38 1986 GAS PRICES - CHEAP GAS - PUMPING GAS CHTB6544A @ CHICAGO, ILL. 86/03.31 10:18:12 STOCK MARKET - TRADING, TRADING HOUSE NYSE, GOLDMAN SACHS, CLOSING-BELL, CHICAGO BOARD OF TRADE, ELECTRONIC TICKER CHBA17680A @ CHICAGO, ILL 89/08/01 NYBW12725L @ NY, NY 91/11/18 NYBC13667X @ NY, NY 90/02/20 NYBO13845O @ NY, NY 94/03/31 NYBF14833T @ VARIOUS 96/03/25 10:23:07 AUTO INDUSTRY, IACOCCA PC, JAPANESE IMPORTS, AUTO MANUFACTURING NYTA1334D @ NY, NY 80/06/24 NYTB10602P @ PORTLAND, ORE. 88/02/06 NYTM3840Z @ DETROIT, MICH. 83/07/24 CHBA23336J @ DETROIT, MICH. 94/01/24 10:25:50 AUTO SALES - SHOWROOMS, SALESPERSONS, STICKER PRICES, BUYERS NYBG13893X @ LOS ANGELES, CA 94/05/18 NYBD13931N @ NY, NY 94/04/18 DCBA65015B @ DC, USA 94/07/14 NYBY13642Y @ NY, NY 92/07/30 CHBD21752A @ CHICAGO, ILL. 96/03/18 10:28:41 LYNDON BAINES JOHNSON (LBJ) SPEAKS ON POVERTY 64/05/09 SPBB2111A @ OFF AIR 64/05/09 10:29:10 RICHARD NIXON - SPEAKS ON RECESSION, 74/01/30 SPBB1490A @ OFF AIR 74/01/30 10:29:48 JIMMY CARTER - -SPEAKS ON ECONOMIC UNCERTAINTY, 77/07/12 SPBB1678A @ OFF AIR 77/07/12 10:30:15 GEORGE BUSH - SPEAKS ON THE ECONOMY 92/07/31 NYBA13516K @ RIVERSIDE, CA 92/07/31 SPEAKS ON ECONOMY 92/01/30 DCBF51100B @ DC, USA 92/01/28 10:31:00 ALAN GREENSPAN APPOINTED TO FEDERAL RESERVE BOARD NYTC6899Y @ DC, USA 87/06/02 TESTIFIES NYBS13919I @ DC, USA 94/07/20 10:31:30 TREASURY SECRETARY RUBIN ON MEXICAN BAILOUT UNABLE TO VERIFY DATE 94/01/17 WITH ANY VIDEO CASSETTE 10:32:27 MICKEY KANTOR ON TRADE SANCTIONS W/ JAPAN DCBB69862A @ DC, USA 95/05/16 10:33:42 BILL CLINTON ON WELFARE 93/02/17 NYBN13581S @ DC, USA 93/02/17 10:34:10 SOCIAL SECURITY CHECKS NYBU14192N @ DC, USA 95/10/13 10:34:54 WARREN BUFFETT ON SALOMON BROTHERS SCANDAL NYBQ12680I @ NY,NY 91/08/18 10:35:19 LAURA TYSON COMMENTS OF BUDGET DCBA72175A @ DC, USA 95/02/15 10:36:01 RON BROWN COMMENTS ON GLOBAL COMPETITION 94/02/16 DCBA62746C @ DC, USA (WHITE HOUSE) 94/02/16 10:36:45 COKE HEADQUARTERS, COCA COLA, ATLANTA, GA ATBA1004A @ ATLANTA, GA. 88/07/13 10:37:00 FORMER TREASURY SECRETARIES ORIGIN OF VIDEO UNKNOWN 10:38:30 WILLIAM MILLER, FEDERAL RESERVE CHAIRMAN AND MICHAEL BLUMENTHAL, SECRETARY OF THE TREASURY 212327 @ FILM X-FER 79/07/18 10:39:09 TREASURY SECRETARY HENRY FOWLER NYTB10909K @ FILM X-FER MARCH REPORT 1968 OF LBJ 10:39:17 TREASURY SECRETARY WILLIAM SIMON UNKNOWN TAPE. WAS IN OFFICE UNDER GERALD FORD 10:40:22 SENATOR EDWARD "TED" KENNEDY ON INFLATION AND JOBS DCTA1389I @ WORCHESTER, MASS 80/03/03 MERGERS 10:41:37 ED SCHOLLMEYER OF PAINE WEBBER ON MERGERS & ACQUISITIONS AND JOBS NYTA7295A @ NY, NY 87/03/05 10:42:53 FOOD COMPANY MERGERS NYBU10909U @ MINNEAPOLIS, MINN. 88/10/21 10:43:21 KOHLBERG KRAVIS ROBERTS HEADQUARTERS, 9 WEST 57 ST. NYBB10856A @ NY, NY 88/11/20 10:43:24 HENRY KRAVITZ AND WIFE AND RJR MERGER DCBV1846N @ NYC 90/02/13 10:43:37 PARAMOUNT/VIACOM MERGER NYBU13771G @ NY, NY 93/09/27 10:44:10 DISNEY COMPANY/CAPITAL CITIES/ABC MERGER NYBT14188N @ NY,NY 95/07/31 10:45:17 TIME WARNER/CNN MERGER NYBG14192T @ NY,NY 95/08/30 10:48:22 BLANK TO END.

CLIP REEL OF ECONOMICS IN THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA (USA). 11:12:11 SLATE (TC JUMP). 10:00:00 LABOR STRIKES BOEING, UNITED AUTO WORKERS (UAW), ANTI SCAB, CLASH WITH POLICE. CHBA23445B @ DECATUR, ILL. 95/02/23 NYBJ14199Y @ UNKNOWN 95/12/05 NYBJ14190Y @ STERLING HEIGHTS, MICH. NYBU14189B @ SEATTLE, WASH. 95/10/06 10:04:08 TIMBER INDUSTRY LOGGING, SPOTTED OWL DCTB40029A @ UNKNOWN 88/10/31 NYBZ12785N @ VARIOUS 92/02/04 10:05:31 MUTUAL FUNDS COMPUTER TRANSACTION, TELEPHONE ACCOUNT MANAGEMENT. NYBO13592V @ BOSTON, MASS. 92/12/03 NYBS13845J @ BOSTON, MASS. 94/03/31 10:06:53 BONDS - SAVINGS BONDS, PURCHASING, WW II BONDS CHTA17358A @ CHICAGO, ILL. 86/10/29 CHTB17358A @ CHICAGO, ILL. 86/10/30 10:07:48 AIRLINE INDUSTRY - PLANES LANDING, TAKING OFF - UNITED, NORTHWEST, US AIR, CONTINENTAL, AMERICAN, DELTA - BUSY AIRPORT. NYBD14029L @ DENVER, COLO. 93/02/08 NYBD14029N @ DENVER, COLO. 93/02/10 NYBN13553E @ NEWARK, NEW JERSEY 92/11/05 10:10:50 AT&T - 1982 "BELL DCTC7501A @ DC, USA 82/01/08 1996 BREAK-UP & DOWNSIZING NYBG14191F @ NY, NY 95/09/20 10:11:41 IBM EXTERIORS NYBI13952D @ ARMONK, NY 94/08/22 10:12:03 GASOLINE - 1973 GAS SHORTAGE - 1970'S GAS LINES, 305921 @ UNKNOWN, FILM X-FER 78/06/20 10:13:50 1979 GAS SHORTAGE - GAS LINES NYTK11957F @ NY, NY 79/05/25 10:16:38 1986 GAS PRICES - CHEAP GAS - PUMPING GAS CHTB6544A @ CHICAGO, ILL. 86/03.31 10:18:12 STOCK MARKET - TRADING, TRADING HOUSE NYSE, GOLDMAN SACHS, CLOSING-BELL, CHICAGO BOARD OF TRADE, ELECTRONIC TICKER CHBA17680A @ CHICAGO, ILL 89/08/01 NYBW12725L @ NY, NY 91/11/18 NYBC13667X @ NY, NY 90/02/20 NYBO13845O @ NY, NY 94/03/31 NYBF14833T @ VARIOUS 96/03/25 10:23:07 AUTO INDUSTRY, IACOCCA PC, JAPANESE IMPORTS, AUTO MANUFACTURING NYTA1334D @ NY, NY 80/06/24 NYTB10602P @ PORTLAND, ORE. 88/02/06 NYTM3840Z @ DETROIT, MICH. 83/07/24 CHBA23336J @ DETROIT, MICH. 94/01/24 10:25:50 AUTO SALES - SHOWROOMS, SALESPERSONS, STICKER PRICES, BUYERS NYBG13893X @ LOS ANGELES, CA 94/05/18 NYBD13931N @ NY, NY 94/04/18 DCBA65015B @ DC, USA 94/07/14 NYBY13642Y @ NY, NY 92/07/30 CHBD21752A @ CHICAGO, ILL. 96/03/18 10:28:41 LYNDON BAINES JOHNSON (LBJ) SPEAKS ON POVERTY 64/05/09 SPBB2111A @ OFF AIR 64/05/09 10:29:10 RICHARD NIXON - SPEAKS ON RECESSION, 74/01/30 SPBB1490A @ OFF AIR 74/01/30 10:29:48 JIMMY CARTER - -SPEAKS ON ECONOMIC UNCERTAINTY, 77/07/12 SPBB1678A @ OFF AIR 77/07/12 10:30:15 GEORGE BUSH - SPEAKS ON THE ECONOMY 92/07/31 NYBA13516K @ RIVERSIDE, CA 92/07/31 SPEAKS ON ECONOMY 92/01/30 DCBF51100B @ DC, USA 92/01/28 10:31:00 ALAN GREENSPAN APPOINTED TO FEDERAL RESERVE BOARD NYTC6899Y @ DC, USA 87/06/02 TESTIFIES NYBS13919I @ DC, USA 94/07/20 10:31:30 TREASURY SECRETARY RUBIN ON MEXICAN BAILOUT UNABLE TO VERIFY DATE 94/01/17 WITH ANY VIDEO CASSETTE 10:32:27 MICKEY KANTOR ON TRADE SANCTIONS W/ JAPAN DCBB69862A @ DC, USA 95/05/16 10:33:42 BILL CLINTON ON WELFARE 93/02/17 NYBN13581S @ DC, USA 93/02/17 10:34:10 SOCIAL SECURITY CHECKS NYBU14192N @ DC, USA 95/10/13 10:34:54 WARREN BUFFETT ON SALOMON BROTHERS SCANDAL NYBQ12680I @ NY,NY 91/08/18 10:35:19 LAURA TYSON COMMENTS OF BUDGET DCBA72175A @ DC, USA 95/02/15 10:36:01 RON BROWN COMMENTS ON GLOBAL COMPETITION 94/02/16 DCBA62746C @ DC, USA (WHITE HOUSE) 94/02/16 10:36:45 COKE HEADQUARTERS, COCA COLA, ATLANTA, GA ATBA1004A @ ATLANTA, GA. 88/07/13 10:37:00 FORMER TREASURY SECRETARIES ORIGIN OF VIDEO UNKNOWN 10:38:30 WILLIAM MILLER, FEDERAL RESERVE CHAIRMAN AND MICHAEL BLUMENTHAL, SECRETARY OF THE TREASURY 212327 @ FILM X-FER 79/07/18 10:39:09 TREASURY SECRETARY HENRY FOWLER NYTB10909K @ FILM X-FER MARCH REPORT 1968 OF LBJ 10:39:17 TREASURY SECRETARY WILLIAM SIMON UNKNOWN TAPE. WAS IN OFFICE UNDER GERALD FORD 10:40:22 SENATOR EDWARD "TED" KENNEDY ON INFLATION AND JOBS DCTA1389I @ WORCHESTER, MASS 80/03/03 MERGERS 10:41:37 ED SCHOLLMEYER OF PAINE WEBBER ON MERGERS & ACQUISITIONS AND JOBS NYTA7295A @ NY, NY 87/03/05 10:42:53 FOOD COMPANY MERGERS NYBU10909U @ MINNEAPOLIS, MINN. 88/10/21 10:43:21 KOHLBERG KRAVIS ROBERTS HEADQUARTERS, 9 WEST 57 ST. NYBB10856A @ NY, NY 88/11/20 10:43:24 HENRY KRAVITZ AND WIFE AND RJR MERGER DCBV1846N @ NYC 90/02/13 10:43:37 PARAMOUNT/VIACOM MERGER NYBU13771G @ NY, NY 93/09/27 10:44:10 DISNEY COMPANY/CAPITAL CITIES/ABC MERGER NYBT14188N @ NY,NY 95/07/31 10:45:17 TIME WARNER/CNN MERGER NYBG14192T @ NY,NY 95/08/30 10:48:22 BLANK TO END.

TAPE_NUMBER: EF/01/0297 IN_TIME: 01:07:44 LENGTH: 02:33 SOURCES: NYSE/APTN RESTRICTIONS: FEED: SCRIPT: XFA English/Nat Wall Street ended a horrific two weeks with a show of strength on Friday, as the Dow Jones industrials extended Thursday's late rebound and closed with a gain of more than 100 points. While the Dow's rise was encouraging, analysts said it was unlikely the blue chips - and the stock market in general - had indeed hit a bottom, or if Friday's advance was a temporary bounce following a string of sharp drops. According to preliminary calculations, the Dow rose 115.30 to close at 9,504.78, wiping out the remaining damage from Thursday's slide, which saw the Dow fall 380 points before finishing 97 points lower. The Dow briefly slid to bear market levels on Thursday, reaching a 20 percent drop from the index's high of 11,722.98 on 14 January 2000. But a late rally lured it out of bear territory. Before Friday's gain, the Dow had lost 1,468.77, or 13.5 percent, over the past 10 trading sessions. Broader market indicators also rose on Friday. Analysts said investors were split over what direction the market will take, which means it is likely will be some time before stocks can make a concerted move upward. The Dow, which until last week was resilient to the massive selloffs that devastated the Nasdaq over the past several months, has fallen to bear levels because investors believe the economy is getting much weaker, severely hampering the country's staple industry leaders. There has been plenty of evidence this week that blue chip companies have suffered from the slowing economy. Procter & Gamble announced on Thursday it was slashing 9,600 jobs to restore long-term growth. General Motors, which idled two assembly plants this week, said Wednesday it will temporarily halt operations at more plants as it whittles inventories. SOUNDBITE: (English): "In the last two weeks the key thing that happened in the market is that the character of the decline changed. Earlier this year the weakness was focused or concentrated mainly in the technology stocks while the old-line, old-economy blue-chip issues that are represented by the Dow Jones average held up amazingly well. In the last couple of weeks, that weakness in technology spread to these other more conservative parts of the market, and that's what caused this recent sharp drop in the Dow Jones average." SUPERCAPTION: Dick McCabe, Merrill Lynch SOUNDBITE: (English): "I think the Nasdaq may take a year or more of backing and filling above the lows to build a base that will then support a new major advance. The Dow Jones average may need a little less time, that hasn't had as much technical damage done to it, so it may take six or nine months, but again it may not make a lot of progress for a while other than a good rebound in the Spring. It may need to go through that rebuilding or healing process before a new bull market in any great aggressive way sets in." SUPERCAPTION: Dick McCabe, Merrill Lynch SHOTLIST: New York, US - 23 March, 2001 APTN - 23 March 1. Wide shot closing bell New York Stock Exchange (NYSE) 2. Wide shot pan across trading floor NYSE 3. SOUNDBITE: (English): Dick McCabe, Merrill Lynch 4. Wide shot exterior Nasdaq marketsite on Times Square, large electronic sign outside marketsite 5. Wide shot interior Nasdaq marketsite with electronic board showing stock quotes 6. Close up Nasdaq closing composite for Friday 7. SOUNDBITE: (English): Dick McCabe, Merrill Lynch FILE 8. Various shots of manufacturing at I-B-M plant APTN - 23 March 9. Medium shot traders on floor of NYSE 10. Wide shot pan across floor of NYSE?

PENTAGON BRIEFING WITH SPOKESMAN, PETER COOK Defense Department Briefing with Pentagon Press Secretary Peter Cook COOK: Good afternoon, everyone. I hope you're having a good day. I want to give a special welcome to the St. George's School students who are here to visit the Pentagon. Welcome. Hope you enjoy it. My alma mater represented over there, so pleased to have them. And with that, I don't have any opening statement, so I'll turn it over to questions. Bob? QUESTION: Peter, can you give us your latest understanding of what's happening with the Russian announced withdrawal of troop forces from Syria? And also, could you, on Afghanistan, could you say whether the secretary is considering a shift in any way in the policy that's been in force now for more than a year of not attacking Taliban? To -- a shift has been reported that General Campbell had recommended to some limited strikes against Taliban. Is the secretary considering that option? COOK: First off, on the situation in Syria, we have seen some Russian aircraft depart Syria and return to Russia, but we've not seen a large contingent of Russian forces leave -- just a small number of aircraft at this point. And so we'll wait to see, like everybody else, what the Russians do with regard to President Putin's reference to a partial withdrawal. And again, we've seen in the last 24 hours Russians continue to engage in some airstrikes in Syria, so I think obviously this is something we'll wait to see exactly what -- what transpires with regard to the Russians. On your second point, I think it's been clear. You've heard the secretary talk about the situation in Afghanistan. We have a new commander in Afghanistan, General Nicholson. He's on the ground right now. The secretary even heard from him today as part of a regular update from commanders. And he's waiting to hear the assessment from General Nicholson.COOK: But our train, advise and assist mission in Afghanistan remains in place right now. And again, you know very well the -- the goal here is to try and enable and enhance Afghan security forces so they can take care of their own country. And that -- that mission has not changed. And again, he's waiting to hear directly from General Nicholson on his thoughts about the way forward and his own assessment of the situation in Afghanistan. QUESTION: But as things stand today, is he -- is it a non- starter as far as he's concerned? Is he disinclined to even go down that road? Or is he open to it? COOK: I think it's -- the secretary wants to hear directly from his top commander there, and obviously, within the chain of command, wants to get the input from Chairman Dunford, of course, who has such experience in Afghanistan in terms of -- of any decisions going forward. But nothing's changed right now. The policy that has been in place remains and we continue to do the Resolute Support Mission -- continues to try and -- and do everything we can to further the efforts of the Afghans to secure their own country. And they've made significant progress, but as the secretary has pointed out repeatedly, they still need some help, and that's what we're doing at this moment in time. QUESTION: One last thing. Did -- did the secretary discuss directly with General Campbell his recommendations before he left command? COOK: He had multiple conversations with General Campbell, as you can imagine, and -- including in his final weeks and I'm not going to get into their private negotiations, but he -- private discussions -- but they had substantial conversations over the last few weeks and months about the situation in Afghanistan. You know, we (ph) traveled to Afghanistan, heard directly from General Campbell there. He was on regular video conferences with -- with General Campbell. So again, he values General Campbell's service to the -- to the country, certainly to the mission in Afghanistan, and so he had ample opportunity to hear from General Campbell. QUESTION: (OFF-MIKE) COOK: Jamie (ph)? QUESTION: So the published report in the Washington Post suggested that General Campbell sent his recommendations directly to the White House, bypassing Secretary Carter. Is that what happened? COOK: Jamie, there's a conversation -- there's a chain of command process here and the secretary, as I said, looks to hear from his commanders through the chain of command and with his other military advisers, and that's the normal way things operate and that's what he expects. And I'll leave it to -- to General Campbell to characterize his view of these things. But the secretary feels confident that he's got someone in place, now General Nicholson, who will be able to provide an updated assessment about the picture on the ground in Afghanistan going forward, and that's the most important thing right now is getting that clear picture and at the same time, continuing to provide the support the Afghans security forces need going forward. QUESTION: Well, when General Campbell testified before the Senate Armed Services Committee last month in his last appearance before Congress, he said the one thing that the Afghans consistently asked for everything was air support, something that they're not capable of providing themself, because they have only a small number of aircraft. Their fledgling (ph) air force is not going to be ready in any significant way for years to come. So given that, and given the United States wanting to assist the Afghan military, is there consideration of expanding the authorities of U.S. forces to strike against a resurging Taliban, a Taliban that the U.S. own intelligence assessment is that they're -- that they're -- they pose a significant risk to the Afghan government? COOK: Well, again, the goal here is to enable the Afghan forces to secure their own country and to transition so that they can, as we -- as we know, our mission changed previously so that they could take responsibility for the whole country. That has not changed. There is an Afghan air force that is now taking shape. Yes, it's still some time off, but nothing's changed, Jamie, other than we now have a new commander in place who's getting an assessment on the ground, and of course the secretary's going to be open to hearing what General Nicholson has to say about the situation, whether or not they need to be adjustments.COOK: We know, of course, the decision made by the president to adjust the troop level within Afghanistan previously. And let's give General Nicholson the chance to get on the ground, find out what he has determined is the appropriate course of action, whether or not there needs to be an adjustment. And General Nicholson could come back and say we're on track. Again, this is in the hands of -- to some extent, the Afghan Security Forces and the process that they are making on the ground, and we see signs of encouragement there. QUESTION: It sounds like you're saying that the secretary would give more weight to the recommendation of the current commander than the outgoing commander, am I reading that correctly? COOK: You would be correct in determining that the current commander will have the most current assessment, and he will also have the benefit of the council and experience of General Campbell, who you know, has spoken with General Nicholson. But the current commander on the ground, General Nicholson, will have the clearest, most up-to-date picture. He will have the most current information from the Afghan government, his own personal assessment. Let's give General Nicholson space to be able to determine what the most appropriate course of action is, going forward. That's only fair to General Nicholson to allow him the time and the space to see what is actually happening. Yes, Joe? QUESTION: Do you -- many Syrian military groups are meeting today in Turkey, in Ankara, in order to create a new national Syrian army. Is the Pentagon aware of those meetings? Any conference with the U.S. military and those Syrian groups? COOK: I'm not aware of any direct interaction between the department and those groups. As you know, Joe, we are working with the local forces on the ground in Syria, forces that have shown a willingness to take the fight against ISIL. They have shown progress, some of those groups, in recent days. And so, we are continuing to try and enable as many of those capable forces as we can, but I'm not aware of this particular meeting and any role we're playing in it. Gordon? QUESTION: Back to Afghanistan, two questions. One is to kind of clarify -- it sounds as if there was a sub text that General Campbell made a recommendation on the proposed change directly to the White House, and the secretary felt potentially slighted by that recommendation. So, I'm just wondering, did -- can you say that the recommendation came through the secretary, or did it go directly to the White House, one? Second question is, the same report today also indicated that the push to change authorities to fight the Islamic State in Afghanistan first was made by General Campbell in February, I think, and then again in August. So, why did it take -- and then, the secretary ultimately made the recommendation to make that change for the Islamic State. But why did it take six months or whatever to -- for him to come to that conclusion? COOK: I'll just say this, Gordon, I'm not going to get into the -- again, the private conversations that the secretary has with his top commanders. That is something that, as you would understand, should remain private as he consults with them and gets their advice on a whole range of issues. On your second point, we have taken the fight to ISIL in Afghanistan. We have had progress on that front in recent weeks; I'm not going to get into the history of that decision, but that is the decision that has been made, that's -- what has been carried out. And this is consistent, again, with our larger effort to confront the metastasis of ISIL in other part of the world. Afghanistan is a place where we have seen them gain a little traction, and the decision was made to move forward. So, a lot of these decisions involve a lot of people, various pieces of the national security team within this government, and a lot of input and interaction with a whole range of people, including, of course, the president of the United States, who has to make these decisions.QUESTION: I think it's just that, you know, the secretary has talked a lot about the metastasizing and all that. But on the surface, it seems like if there was any concern that the Islamic state was growing inside Afghanistan, it would have been prudent perhaps to go after it before it grew to what is now apparently 2,000 or 3,000 fighters, or as many as... COOK: The decision was made to go after -- to confront this threat in Afghanistan, and that's what we're doing. Just as we've made the same decision where we've seen it in Libya. And you've seen us take action there. And so in terms of the history going forward, we're more concerned about the current and what we're doing right now. And if you are, again, part of ISIL in Afghanistan right now, you know full well that the United States is going to do what we can in support of the Afghan forces to confront that threat. QUESTION: One more quick. Have you guys made a decision to publicly disclose the number of strikes against Islamic state in Afghanistan? COOK: That is something we are actively working on with the forces on the ground in Afghanistan -- something I had a conversation myself with the top leadership in Afghanistan to see if that's something that we could put together in such a way that it was usable and helpful not only for the press corps, but for the country as a whole. Different circumstances, different in terms of even the sheer volume, and so it may be something that we can provide, but maybe not in exactly the same way we do with the counter-ISIL fight. Yes? QUESTION: Thank you, Peter. North Korea (inaudible) continues the threat (inaudible) to South Korea. And do you have any response (inaudible)? And a second question, last week we asked (inaudible) about North Korea have (inaudible) nuclear (inaudible). Did you find out (inaudible) really have this or not? COOK: I'll give you -- on the second question you have there, the same answer I gave you before, that we have not seen North Korea demonstrate capability to miniaturize a nuclear weapon and again, put it on a ballistic missile. So, that's consistent with what I told you previously. That is our current view. On your first question, once again we've seen just another step by the North Koreans to -- to ratchet up their rhetoric and again to raise tensions on the Korean peninsula, which we think is obviously counterproductive and, again, once again, we want to remind everyone of our -- our defense and our alliance with South Korea and other allies in the region, and how important those alliances are at a time when we're hearing this kind of rhetoric from North Korea. We think it's counterproductive and every effort should be made to try and deescalate tensions in that part of the world. QUESTION: Just a quick followup on the miniaturization (inaudible). North Korea apparently displayed something that it claimed was a miniaturized warhead such as would fit on a ballistic missile. Do you believe that was fake? COOK: I'll just, Jamie, go back to we've not seen them demonstrate the capability to miniaturize a nuclear weapons. So... (CROSSTALK) COOK: Again, we -- that is our determination. QUESTION: (inaudible) COOK: That's our determination at this point, that we haven't seen them demonstrate that capability. QUESTION: I have a serious question, though. How would they demonstrate that other than using it (inaudible)? COOK: Well, Bob, we think that there -- if there were -- we have means of assessing, for example, some of their tests. I'm not going to get into the details of that. But again, we feel at this point in time we have been able to assess their capabilities and we don't assess that that's a capability they're demonstrated at this point.QUESTION: (inaudible) demonstrate that (inaudible) nuclear (inaudible) miniaturize (inaudible) nuclear (inaudible) that shows Kim Jong Un have (inaudible) demonstrated. (inaudible) they (inaudible)? COOK: I think I've said what I can say on this topic. Again, our assessment has not changed in terms of the North Korean capability. QUESTION: Going to Iraq. Yesterday, an individual who apparently lived in Virginia was detained by Kurdish authorities after having served with ISIS. Do you have any more details? Can you confirm he was an American citizen? Will American military authorities be able to interrogate him? Things like that. COOK: I can't provide you more details on this individual. Obviously, we're aware of what the Kurdish and Iraqi authorities have said in terms of the fact that -- that they may have an American citizen in their custody. I'll refer you to the State Department for it. It's more a State Department issue at this point, but there's nothing more I can provide from here on -- on sort of who he is and the history there. QUESTION: Do you have an update on -- on Omar the Chechen and what his status is? COOK: I think what we said previously -- we believe that was a successful strike and it's our assessment that that was a successful strike and that he was killed in that strike. QUESTION: Peter, can I ask, you said earlier that the Russians were continuing with airstrikes. Any indication of what they've hit? Was it ISIS? Was it SDF? Anything (inaudible) conducted these strikes? COOK: I think for the most part, the strikes that we've seen in the last 24 hours were focused more in ISIL areas, but I can't give you the exact nature of all those strikes. But that seemed to be the more significant focus. QUESTION: I was going to ask, what is the status now of Force of the Future, given the resignation of Mr. Carson? Do you press ahead with that and hope to get it done this year? Or is there a fallback position now that you would consider laying the groundwork for this and hope that it is taken up by the next administration? COOK: Nothing has changed with regard to Force of the Future. The secretary remains squarely behind the initiatives he's already unveiled, and has more to come. And he feels confident that these are changes that are critical to this department going forward and very important to retaining not only our best people, but also attracting more in the future to come serve in the Department of Defense. So there's going to be no change with regard to Force of the Future. And he's going to, I think as you'll hear in his testimony up on the Hill over the next few weeks, articulate again the reasons behind his decisions with regard to those initiatives. Austin? QUESTION: Following up on that, on the Vacancies Act, given what's happened with the nomination of Eric Fanning and Brad Carson, is the department looking at changing its interpretation of the Vacancies Act? Or changing its policies for filling vacant positions? COOK: That's more a legal question than anything else. And I think it's our goal to stay current with the law. I know this has been a question even at the Justice Department, so in terms of the administration's position on that law, I'd refer you to the Justice Department. But it's our goal to continue to work with Congress, and for the secretary to get as many top people as he can in the positions that are still vacant in this department. There are nominations still outstanding and certainly the secretary would hope that Congress would move quickly to put in place the people he needs to be able to carry out the important mission of this department. QUESTION: A couple of followups, if I may. On North Korea and the warhead question, your words were very precise. You said that they have not demonstrated that capability. Do you also rule out, then, that they have it (inaudible) have not demonstrated it?COOK: As we discussed last week, Barbara, the top commanders who are responsible for the safety and security of the United States, in particular, dealing with the threat from North Korea, they have to make certain assumptions as they prepare and plan for any eventuality -- and you've heard testimony from Admiral Gortney to this effect. We have not seen them demonstrate the capability. That does not mean the United States does not plan for scenarios in which North Korea, at some point in the future, poses a more significant threat than they do right now. So, we are doing the appropriate thing in terms of planning to prepare for -- whether it's North Korea or other adversaries, the kinds of threats that could pose challenge to the United States, the security and safety of the American people. QUESTION: Understood, and I know it's a delicate question, but again, you -- they have a planning assumption. You have said they haven't demonstrated it. In between those two points, do they have it? COOK: Again, Barbara, I'm not going to -- I can't confirm from here that capability. We have not seen it demonstrated. What has been -- what we can talk about are the capabilities of the United States, and we feel confident that we can respond to that North Korea challenge. And again, you have heard Admiral Gortney talk about this in front of a whole host of people, talk about this in recent weeks because of the threat posed by North Korea. We are doing everything that we can, as the American people would expect, to prepare, just in case North Korea's words turn into something else. QUESTION: Do you believe the -- and I just have a couple of quick followups -- do you believe in -- you talked about recent weeks. Do you believe that the North Korean nuclear warhead and IBM threat is growing now, and how is it growing? COOK: We -- again, we have not seen -- our position on their capabilities has not changed. We've seen them, once again, detonate a -- conducted a nuclear test. They have launched a rocket into space. They have taken other provocative actions. We have to look at the world in which we operate, and right now, North Korea is doing a number of things that are provocative. And as a result, we are taking the steps that we need to shore up our alliance partner, South Korea, our alliance with Japan in the region, other partners in the region who have to address that threat more immediately than we do. And as you can imagine, we have to assess our own position with regard to North Korea, and we're doing that. QUESTION: Very quickly, on chemical weapons in Syria. In the last several days, there have been a number of reports that, by all accounts appear to be true, of additional attacks on civilians by ISIS using chemical agents, whether it's a chlorine or mustard agent. Can you bring us up-to-date on any additional strikes related to chemical weapons in Iraq to the detainee you've got? Have you gotten any additional action that you can tell us about? And you know, since the goal of that was to disrupt their chemical weapons program, and yet they're continuing, where do you stand on this? They still seem pretty capable of launching attacks? COOK: There have been -- as we said previously -- multiple strikes that were conducted to try and disrupt and degrade their chemical weapon system. We have determined that some of those strikes were indeed successful, and there have been more since. And all I would say is that this is, again, and a capability -- remember, Barbara, that a lot of times, they're using these agents on scene, at the -- not necessarily at a facility itself, but out in the field.COOK: So, there may be more targets out there than we know of at this time. And so that poses a challenge for us, but it's something we're going to continue to -- to confront. Obviously, we've seen the same reports you have about the continued use of -- of these blister agents and it causes obvious concern, not just for our forces in the region, but for the civilian population and for those forces that are taking on ISIL. So this is going to be something that we're going to continue to -- to work on, but we feel confident that we have made a dent in their capabilities. But obviously, it's a threat that we continue to track and -- and monitor closely. Yes, Tobin (ph)? QUESTION: Hi, (inaudible). Just to clarify, an operation regarding this cessation of the hostilities, you said over the last 24 hours, the Russians targeted some ISIL positions (ph) in Syria, but you said that most of them were ISIL targets. Does it mean that the Russian airstrikes violated the cessation of hostilities over the last 24 hours, targeting some other elements other than the designated groups, like ISIL? COOK: I'm -- there's a specific monitoring program that is being led by the State Department in terms of violations of that, so I'd refer you to them in terms of specific violations that have been reported in the last 24 hours. I'm not aware of any of these strikes that technically violated the cessation of hostilities. Again, most of the strikes that I was asked about have been focused on ISIL, which is not part of the -- the terms of the cessation. QUESTION: And you said that there is a (inaudible), not the significant (inaudible) some extent, there is a (inaudible) from Syria. How many airplanes are we talking about? COOK: A small number of airplanes -- aircraft. QUESTION: Ten or... COOK: Less than 10 is what we've seen. And again, we don't -- there's -- there's been movement of aircraft from Russia to Syria over the last six months and whether or not these aircraft are returning back to Syria, again, I'd send you to the Russians for an answer on that. But we have seen some aircraft depart Syria and head back to Russia. QUESTION: Is the total number of the (inaudible) in the Russian aircrafts are almost 100, I assume. Right? So less than 10 of them just (inaudible)... COOK: I'll just say fewer than 10, at this point, is what we've seen depart in the last 24 hours. QUESTION: And is that -- this -- this remark (ph) coming from Moscow -- from President Putin, is that because -- I mean, how do you -- how do you analyze this (inaudible)? I mean, is it the realistic push (ph) that we -- should we assume that the Russians are returning (ph) from Syria is just a tactical move? COOK: Well, we'll wait and see. We, as always, over the last six months, will determine -- assess Russia based on their actions, not their words, and the -- President Putin has said that they're going to conduct a partial withdrawal of their forces. And again, if the purpose of that is to promote the cessation of hostilities and to promote, perhaps, finally some resolution to the civil war now in its -- in its fifth year -- today is the fifth anniversary of that -- of that conflict -- then -- then we welcome that. But we have to judge Russia by its actions, not its word, so we'll see. Yes, Kasim (ph)? QUESTION: (inaudible) ministry has identified the person who conducted the attack in Ankara someone who joined PKK in 2013 and she was also trained in YPG camps in northeastern Syria, the interior minister said. (inaudible) have publicly said that this terrorist was trained by YPG in northeastern Syria, the group that you are always supporting as a partner in the fight against Daesh. Was (inaudible) your reaction to this in terms of her connection to YPG?COOK: Yeah, I haven't seen the comments from the interior minister, but obviously we condemn the terrorist attack in Turkey. And, you know, obviously, our thoughts are with the people of Turkey, particularly the victims in that -- in that attack. And so, and we respect Turkey's, you know, right to defend itself against the threat of terrorism. We've said that from -- from the start. With regard to this particular incident, again, I don't know specifically the comments you've made with regard to this one suspect or from the interior minister. But we've worked closely with our allies, Turkey, on issues regarding what's happening in Syria. They know of our support for specific groups that are taking the fight to ISIL and I think that we view that as a separate issue here. And again, but that does not diminish our concern about what's happened in Turkey, specifically this attack. And -- and Turkey's -- obviously the need for the Turks to be able to defend themselves. QUESTION: Would you have some kind of concern that a group you are supporting might have involved or somehow supported a terrorist attack in a country which is also your (inaudible)? COOK: I -- again, I don't know the report you're referring to. So I don't know the history of this person. But we are aware of Turkey's concerns about the YPG. We've had conversations with the Turks. We'll continue to have ongoing conversations and try and do everything we can to -- to allay those concerns. And remember, our focus is on fighting ISIL. That is our core mission in Syria. QUESTION: Can I just have one followup, going back to Afghanistan? While I understand your answer that you don't wish to disclose private conversations between the secretary and one of his four-star commanders, nonetheless, the impression that is left is I think that you are letting stand the notion that General Campbell went around the secretary and made recommendations directly to the White House, circumventing the SECDEF. I'm wondering if you could consider taking the question because without an answer, it lets stand the notion that a very respected four-star would have circumvented the command process. So in this case, rather than letting us have a misunderstanding, could you take that question and see if you can get us some kind of answer to that? COOK: Barbara, the conversation the secretary has with his commanders are private conversations. There is a chain of command. There is a process here to be followed. And that involves, of course, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs, the combatant commanders. And that's the process that needs to be respected in this case and in every case. And we're going to, again, maintain the ability for the secretary to have those private conversations and for those commanders to share their military advice and perspective with the secretary of defense. QUESTION: I know you understand my question, which is, again, if we can't get clear -- if we can't get some clarity on this one particular instance, it's letting stand the notion that General Campbell circumvented the process. And I don't think any of us want to be under any misunderstanding of the facts. So, I would just -- you may not be able to answer it, but I wondering if you would at least see in this case if it's possible.COOK: Barbara, I'm going to again respect the process here. If you want to engage with General Campbell, of course, you're welcome to do so. There's a process here. There's a certain procedure that has to be followed with the chain of command, to respect the conversations that they have, and we're going to continue to do that, whether it's in this case or in others. QUESTION: (OFF-MIKE) anybody wanted to defend that from the podium, but I accept your answer. COOK: (OFF-MIKE) QUESTION: This is another thing, by the way, where we've asked a fairly straightforward yes-or-no question: Did the general give his recommendations directly to the White House? And then the answer we get is, you're not going to disclose private conversations. When we're not asking about disclosing any private conversations, we're simply asking a matter of fact. And my followup question to that would be, while there is a chain of command that goes from the combatant commander through the secretary of defense to the president, isn't it also the responsibility of senior commanders to forward the recommendations directly to the president if they feel that their views are not being adequately represented by the civilian leadership or the chairman of the joint chiefs or whoever? Don't they also have an obligation to provide that advice if they don't feel it's being -- if it's being forwarded? Is that also the case? COOK: There is -- there is a chain of command, and commanders have to do what they feel is appropriate. And so, that -- if commanders feel that that is what they have to do in certain instances, that is up to the individual commander. But there is a chain of command, there is a process to be followed. And again, there -- if they choose to go outside the chain of command, that is a decision that they make on their own. QUESTION: But Jamie's first question still stands, I mean, did he respect the process that you just said is up to the commander? COOK: I'm not going to talk about this particular situation to reserve the private conversations between the secretary and his commanders, in this case, General Campbell. And I'm going to leave it at that. It is not my place to characterize that from here. Those are private conversations, those are conversations that are conducted with others within the department, other top military advisers. And again... QUESTION: Not asking about the content of the conversations, I'm just asking about the process, whether it was -- adhered to the normal process? COOK: If you want to engage with General Campbell on that, I'll leave that to you to do. I'm not going to characterize it from here. OK. QUESTION: You do it -- I just want to make clear, you're letting the secretary -- you're letting the secretary leave the notion standing in the room here right now that a four star went around him? COOK: I'm going to, again, respect the process, the private conversations that the secretary has with his commanders, whether it's General Campbell or anybody else. And again, if you want to engage with General Campbell on that, I'll leave you to do that. But this is a private conversation, and this is a process that, as you know, Barbara, has been respected for sometime. And it's -- what's most important now is for the secretary, with regard to Afghanistan is to hear the views, the conversations that he'll have with his new commander in Afghanistan. And he's planning to do that. He's going to hear from General Nicholson, as he did even this morning. One last question in the back. QUESTION: Regarding the ratcheting of rhetoric of North Korea, does the Pentagon assess that there is any relationship about current operations, Key Resolve, or Foal Eagle going on to Korea right now? COOK: Those have been planned for some time, and we don't -- and again, they were planned well in advance of the recent activities by the North Koreans. They are a tangible symbol, if you will, of our alliance with South Korea, the close cooperation we had with the South Koreans. And they should also represent, again, our willingness to stand shoulder- to-shoulder with our South Korean allies. QUESTION: Do you expect the rhetoric to tamper down after these operations are finished? COOK: That is up to the North Koreans to decide, but those -- those exercises have been planned for some time. And they will have a conclusion point, but our alliance with South Korea will certain endure past that. OK. Thanks, everyone. 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10:31:00 LEADERSHIP, THAT WOULD GIVE THEM THE ABILITY TO NOT BE INVOLVED 10:31:02 IN THIS, TO QUELL THE VIOLENCE, AND TO EVENTUALLY HELP PRESIDENT 10:31:13 MALIKI DISARM AND DISMANTLE THE MILITIAS? 10:31:19 >> SENATOR, I THINK YOUR POINT IS A VALID ONE, THAT ULTIMATELY 10:31:25 THE SECTARIAN VIOLENCE IS GOING TO BE DEALT WITH BY IRAQIS, AND 10:31:29 IS GOING TO BE DEALT WITH BY IRAQI SECURITY FORCES. 10:31:41 MOLECULE, THE PRIME MINISTER, AND OTHERS ARE TRYING TO DESIGN 10:31:47 IT IN A WAY THAT WILL PULL TOGETHER ELEMENTS WITHIN THE 10:31:50 COUNTRY AND THEREBY REDUCE SECTARIAN VIOLENCE. 10:31:54 I WOUN&L];8x 6M[#" GENERAL'S COMMENTS ON THE 10:31:57 TRAINING EXCEPT TO SAY THAT THE SITUATION OF TRAINING IN IRAQ IN 10:32:01 18 PROVINCES IS QUITE DIFFERENT IN DIFFERENT PROVINCES AND WE 10:32:04 HAVE FORCES IN MOST PROVINCES AN THE TRAINING IS DIFFERENT 10:32:09 WITH DIFFERENT CIRCUMSTANCES THE FACE. 10:32:11 ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THE DEPARTMENT HAS DONE IS HAVE 10:32:14 EXTENSIVE LESSONS LEARNED FROM WHAT IS TAKING PLACE IN IRAQ IN 10:32:18 DIFFERENT PARTS OF THE COUNTRY BROUGHT BACK TO THE JOINT FORCES 10:32:22 COMMAND AND THE NATIONAL TRAINING CENTER AND THE TROOPS 10:32:24 ARE BEING TRAINED UP CAREFULLY TO ENSURE THAT THEY HAVE THE 10:32:29 KIND OF -- BEST KIND OF TRAINING THEY CAN HAVE FOR THE 10:32:32 CIRCUMSTANCES THAT WE BELIEVE THEY'RE GOING TO FIND IN THE 10:32:37 AREAS THEY'RE GOING TO BE ASSIGNED TO. 10:32:39 >> COULD YOU EXPAND ON THIS, ABOUT GETTING IN WITH THE GROWTH 10:32:43 OF THE SECTARIAN VIOLENCE. HOW DO WHERE TROOPS GET IN THERE 10:32:46 AND NOT GET EMBROILED IN THE SECTARIAN VIOLENCE? 10:32:51 IS THIS THE BEGINNING FOR THE END OF THE INCREASED NUMBERS OF 10:32:55 TROOPS THAT WE ARE GOING TO NEED OVER THERE? 10:33:00 HOW WAS THE BACKGROUND AND TRAINING ACTUALLY GOING TO PULL 10:33:05 THAT SECTARIAN VIOLENCE THAT YOU HAVE IDENTIFIED AS ESCALATING AT 10:33:08 THE PRESENT TIME. >> SENATOR KENNEDY THE FIRST 10:33:12 LINE AGAIN SECTARIAN VIOLENCE IS THE IRAQI ARMED FORCES. 10:33:16 THEY KNOW WHERE THE PROBLEMS ARE COMING FROM AN UNRECOGNIZED IT 10:33:21 EASIER THAN OUR TROOPS CAN. I WOULD TELL YOU THAT OUR 10:33:26 FORCES TO HAVE THE CAPABILITY TO PRECISELY TARGETED THE CELLULAR 10:33:31 DEATH SQUAD STRUCTURE THAT IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THIS ACTIVITY. 10:33:34 THE MORE AND MORE OVERTIME WE HAVE BECOME PROFICIENT AND BEING 10:33:38 ABLE TO ATTACK THE CELLULAR STRUCTURE OF AL QAEDA AND WE 10:33:43 INTEND TO USE THAT CAPABILITY AND INTELLIGENCE ACTIVITIES THAT 10:33:47 WE HAVE USED BEFORE TO TARGET THE MILITIA DEATH SQUADS THAT WE 10:33:52 SEE OPERATING OUT IN BAGHDAD WITH A CERTAIN DEGREE OF 10:33:55 FREEDOM. >> THANK YOU. 10:33:58 >> FOR THE RECORD, THIS IS THE JOURNAL'S FULL STATEMENT, JULY 10:34:05 27, 2006. HE SAID "FOR THE MILITARY THE 10:34:09 PLANT IS UNCHARTED GROUND. QUITE FRANKLY, IN 33 YEARS IN 10:34:14 THE UNITED STATES ARMY I NEVER TRAINED TO STOP THE SECTARIAN 10:34:18 FIGHT. THIS IS SOMETHING." 10:34:21 THAT IS THE " TO WHICH I REFERRED TO PURE YEAR SENATOR 10:34:25 MCCAIN? >> MY FIRM BELIEF THAT WE CAN 10:34:33 AND MUST WHEN INTERACT -- THE CONSEQUENCES OF FAILURE WOULD BE 10:34:39 CATASTROPHIC. HE SAID THERE IS THE POSSIBILITY 10:34:42 OF THE SITUATION IN IRAQ DEVOLVING INTO CIVIL WAR, 10:34:46 CORRECT? DID YOU ANTICIPATE THIS 10:34:49 SITUATION ONE YEAR AGO? >> NO, SIR. 10:34:56 >> DID YOU? >> I BELIEVE THAT ONE YEAR AGO 10:35:03 SECTARIAN TENSIONS WERE INCREASING. 10:35:06 NOPE. -- NO. 10:35:14 >> WE ARE MOVING TROOPS INTO BAGHDAD, IS THAT CORRECT? 10:35:18 >> THE NUMBER IS CLOSER TO 3500. PLUS MILITARY POLICE THAT WERE 10:35:25 GOING THERE FOR OTHER DUTIES THAT ARE BEING USED IN THE 10:35:30 OUTER AREAS, A MILITARY POLICEMAN IN PARTICULAR. 10:35:35 >> WHERE ARE THESE TROOPS COMING FROM? 10:35:38 >> THE TROOPS ARE COMING DOWN. >> IS THE SITUATION UNDER 10:35:44 CONTROL IN RAMADI? >> BETTER THAN IT WAS TWO MONTHS 10:35:50 AGO. >> IS THE SITUATION UNDER 10:35:52 CONTROL IN RAMADI? >> I THINK THE SITUATION IN 10:35:57 RAMADI IS WORKABLE. >> AND CHIPS FROM RAMADI CAME 10:36:01 FROM FALLUJAH, ISN'T THAT CORRECT? 10:36:05 THAT IS MY INFORMATION. WE ARE PLAYING A GAME AND OF 10:36:14 WHACK-'EM-ALL. FALLUJAH BECAME A BASE SO WE HAD 10:36:20 TO GO INTO FALLUJAH AND FIGHT ONE OF THE GREAT BATTLES IN 10:36:24 MARINE PORT/ARMY HISTORY. THEN WE WENT BACK THEY'RE NOT 10:36:27 TOO LONG AGO. WHERE ARE YOU GOING TO GET THE 10:36:33 TROOPS? WE MOVE THEM FROM FALLUJAH, NOW 10:36:36 WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO MOVE TROOPS INTO BAGHDAD FROM 10:36:39 SOMEPLACE ELSE. IT IS VERY DISTURBING. 10:36:43 AND IF IT IS ALL UP TO THE IRAQI MILITARY, GENERAL JOHN ABIZAID, 10:36:49 IF IT IS ALL OF THEM, AND WONDER WHY WE HAVE TO MOVE TROOPS INTO 10:36:53 BAGHDAD TO INTERVENE IN WHAT IS CLEARLY SECTARIAN VIOLENCE. 10:37:00 >> SENATOR, IRAQI TROOPS ARE BEING MOVED INTO BAGHDAD. 10:37:04 THE NUMBER OF IRAQI TROOPS IN THE BAGHDAD AREA IS GREATER THAN 10:37:08 OUR TROOPS. WE ARE IN SUPPORT WITH THEM IN 10:37:11 THE MAIN OPERATIONAL AREAS AND I BELIEVE THAT UNDER THE CURRENT 10:37:16 CIRCUMSTANCES THAT IRAQI FORCES NEED TO BENEFIT FROM OUR COMMAND 10:37:20 AND CONTROL CAPABILITIES AND THE SYSTEMS OF UNITS SUCH AS A 10:37:26 STRIKER BRIGADE THAT HAS BEEN MOVED TO THE SOUTH. 10:37:28 >> I WOULD ANTICIPATE PUTTING AMERICAN TROOPS INTO THIS 10:37:32 VOLATILE SITUATION. HE SAID AMERICAN CASUALTIES WILL 10:37:36 PROBABLY GO UP? >> I THINK IT IS POSSIBLE THAT 10:37:44 IN THE TIME AHEAD OF US IN BAGHDAD THAT WILL TAKE INCREASED 10:37:49 CASUALTIES, IT IS POSSIBLE. >> THE SITUATION IN SOUTHERN 10:37:53 IRAQ, I WAS BRIEFED BY BRITISH MILITARY AND OTHERS THAT THERE 10:38:00 IS A GRAVE CONCERN ABOUT IRANIAN PENETRATION THROUGHOUT SOUTHERN 10:38:05 IRAQ. IS THAT A SERIOUS ISSUE? 10:38:08 >> IRANIAN REVOLUTIONARY GUARD COULD FORCE INTELLIGENCE 10:38:18 AGENCIES AND EQUIP WHAT I COULD CALL GROWTH GROUPS AND IT IS A 10:38:23 CONCERN. >> IS BASARA IN CONTROL OF THE 10:38:32 ISSUES? >> THE MILITIAS HAVE GREATER 10:38:35 CONTROL IN BASARA, AND THAT IS WHY THE PRIME MINISTER HAS 10:38:40 APPOINTED A MILITARY OFFICER TO GO DOWN THERE AND GET THE 10:38:43 SECURITY SITUATION BACK UNDER CONTROL. 10:38:46 >> DO YOU HAVE CONFIDENCE IN THE IRAQI MINISTER OF INTERIOR? 10:38:50 >> I DO NOT KNOW THE IRAQI MINISTER OF INTERIOR OF THE WAY 10:38:54 THAT I KNOW THE DEFENSE MINISTER. 10:38:56 I HAVE NO REASON NOT TO HAVE CONFIDENCE IN HIM. 10:39:00 >> DAY AFTER DAY, PEOPLE ARE RUNNING AMOK IN POLICE UNIFORMS 10:39:05 AND ARMY UNIFORMS AND THEY'RE ACTUALLY MALICIOUS AND KILLING 10:39:07 PEOPLE. -- MILITIAS KILLING PEOPLE. 10:39:17 IT IS AN EMERGENCY THAT PEOPLE ARE GOING TO BE KILLED. 10:39:24 TO THE STATE OTHE TRAINING NOT OF THE IRAQI MILITARY BUT OF 10:39:28 IRAQI POLICE AND LAW ENFORCEMENT. 10:39:31 CAN YOU COMMENT ON THAT SITUATION? 10:39:34 >> DURING THE TIME AFTER THE NATIONAL ELECTION WE KNOW 10:39:39 GOVERNANCE FORMED, OF THE INTERIOR MINISTRY IN PARTICULAR, 10:39:45 DID NOT DEVELOP ITS FORCES IN THE WAY THAT WE HAD ANTICIPATED 10:39:48 THAT THEY WOULD OR SHOULD. MILITARY FORCES ON THE OTHER 10:39:52 HAND CONTINUE TO DEVELOP WELL AND PERFORM WELL BUT THERE IS NO 10:39:57 DOUBT THAT POLICE UNITS ESPECIALLY LOCAL POLICE UNITS 10:40:01 WERE INFILTRATED IN BOSNIA -- BASARA IN PARTICULAR BY LOCAL 10:40:07 MILITIAS AND THEY PUT THEIR ALLEGIANCE TO THE MALICIOUS 10:40:11 AHEAD OF THEIR ALLEGIANCE TO THE STATE IT IS VITAL THAT WE TURN 10:40:16 THIS AROUND. >> THE OUTSIDER CONTINUES TO BE 10:40:20 A MAJOR OBSTACLE TO PROGRESS IN IRAQ. 10:40:23 ARE WE -- I BELIEVE THERE IS STILL AN OUTSTANDING AWARD FOR 10:40:27 HIS ARREST -- ARMY'S GOING TO ADDRESS THAT ISSUE? 10:40:31 >> THE ISSUE WILL BE ADDRESSED BY THE IRAQI GOVERNMENT. 10:40:35 >> NOT BY US? >> BE ADDRESSED BY THE IRAQI 10:40:40 GOVERNMENT. >> ALL MY COLLEAGUES ARE HERE'S 10:40:45 OUR WANT TO NOT TAKE TIME -- I JUST WANT TO CONCLUDE -- 10:40:49 SECRETARY RUMSFELD WE PASSED AN AMENDMENT ON THE AUTHORIZATION 10:40:52 BILL WHICH I AM CONFIDENT WILL BE ACCEPTED IN CONFERENCE. 10:40:57 AND THAT REQUIRES THAT OPERATIONS IN AFGHANISTAN BE 10:41:02 INCLUDED IN THE REGULAR BUDGET TO RICK -- BUDGETARY PROCESS. 10:41:07 WE ARE HEARING STORY AFTER STORY ABOUT CORRUPTION'S, ETC. CURIA 10:41:12 WE MUST HAVE SUFFICIENT CONGRESSIONAL OVERSIGHT. 10:41:15 I HOPE YOU ARE MAKING PLANS TO INCLUDE SPENCES INVOLVED IN 10:41:21 OPERATIONS IN IRAQ AND AFGHANISTAN IN THE NORMAL 10:41:24 BUDGETARY PROCESS AND NOT AS A "EMERGENCY SUPPLEMENTAL." 10:41:31 YOU SHOULD AT THIS TIME BE ABLE TO PREDICT WHAT THOSE COSTS 10:41:36 MIGHT BE. I WANT TO SAY, AGAIN, YOU WILL 10:41:41 HAVE A SHOWDOWN UNLESS BOTH WITHIN HIS BODY AND WITHIN THE 10:41:46 EXECUTIVE BRANCH UNLESS WE START GOING THROUGH THE NORMAL 10:41:48 BUDGETARY PROCESS TO FUND THIS CONFLICT WHICH I THINK ALL OF US 10:41:52 AGREE WE WILL BE INVOLVED IN FOREIGN LONG TIME. 10:42:01 >> WE ARE AWARE OF THE AMENDMENT AND NEEDLESS TO SAY WE WILL 10:42:05 COMPLY WITH THE LAW. FROM OUR STANDPOINT WE CAN DO IT 10:42:08 EITHER WAY AND IT HAS BEEN A MATTER THAT HAS BEEN WORKED OF 10:42:11 GENERALLY OVER THE YEAR BETWEEN THE WHITE HOUSE AND THE 10:42:14 LEADERSHIP AND CONGRESS. THE REALITY IS THAT WHAT WE 10:42:20 WOULD HAVE TO DO AS YOU SUGGESTED WOULD BE TO PROVIDE 10:42:23 THE BEST ESTIMATES THAT WE CAN AND PROJECTIONS AND THEN MAKE 10:42:27 ADJUSTMENTS FOR THEM AS TIME PASSED AND WE WOULD BE HAPPY TO 10:42:32 DO THAT. >> MR. CHAIRMAN -- ONE 10:42:38 CLARIFICATION. SO THOSE WATCHING US TO NOT 10:42:41 BELIEVE THAT THEIR SONS AND DAUGHTERS WERE NOT PROPERLY 10:42:44 TRAINED TO HANDLE THE KIND OF VIOLENCE THAT THE SECTARIAN 10:42:49 VIOLENCE IS CREATING. WHAT HE SAID IS EXACTLY TRUE 10:42:51 THAT WE DO NOT TRAIN TO SEPARATE SECTARIAN VIOLENCE AND THAT IS 10:42:56 VERY MUCH IRRESPONSIBILITY ON THE POLITICIANS AND AS WE TALKED 10:43:00 ABOUT ALREADY TO IRAQI PEOPLE NEED TO DO THAT. 10:43:03 WITH REGARD TO THOSE ON PATROL IN BAGHDAD WITH HIS -- WITH HIS 10:43:09 PLATOON, REGARDLESS OF SHI'IA, OR SUNNI, OUR SOLDIERS AND 10:43:14 MARINES ARE WELL TRAINED TO HANDLE THAT. 10:43:17 THERE IS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE KIND OF VIOLENCE THEY HAVE 10:43:20 TO HANDLE AND WHAT WILL PREVENT THE VIOLENCE. 10:43:22 OF PREVENTING THAT VIOLENCE IS THE ROLE OF THE POLITICAL 10:43:27 LEADERS. TO SOLVE. 10:43:30 >> THAT IS THE PURPOSE OF THIS HEARING, TO CLARIFY THESE PUBLIC 10:43:36 STATEMENTS THAT COME BEFORE THIS AND THE AMERICAN PUBLIC. 10:43:39 THANK YOU, CHAIRMAN PACE. >> GENERAL JOHN ABIZAID, IN YOUR 10:43:47 OPINION IS IT AND A TERRORIST ORGANIZATION WITH IMPLICIT 10:43:53 SUPPORT FROM THE IRANIAN GOVERNMENT? 10:43:57 >> THERE ARE GROUPS WITHIN THE ARMY THAT ARE UNDER THE PAY OF 10:44:02 THE IRANIAN GOVERNMENT THAT ARE TERRORIST ORGANIZATIONS. 10:44:05 I AM NOT SURE I CAN SAY THAT IS NECESSARILY TRUE ABOUT THE 10:44:09 ENTIRE ORGANIZATION. >> THERE IS AN OUTSTANDING 10:44:13 WARRANT FOR THE LEADER OF THE ARMY AND HE IS A PROMINENT 10:44:19 MEMBER OF THE IRAQI GOVERNMENT, IS THAT CORRECT -- CORRECT? 10:44:28 >> YES. >> IN FACT IS PART OF THE 10:44:32 GOVERNMENT? >> I BELIEVE THAT THE PRIME 10:44:35 MINISTER AND HIS GOVERNMENT WILL TAKE THE STEPS NECESSARY TO GET 10:44:39 THE SECTARIAN VIOLENCE UNDER CONTROL AND TO WHAT HAS TO BE 10:44:41 DONE AGAINST THE DEATH SQUADS. >> YOU HAVE ANY SENSE OF THE 10:44:45 TIMING OF THIS, WITH RESPE TO THE TIMING? 10:44:53 >> I WOULD NOT CHARACTERIZE THE TARGET. 10:44:56 I WOULD SAY THERE ARE ELEMENTS THAT ARE BEING -- THAT WILL BE 10:45:01 TARGETED BECAUSE OF PARTICIPATING IN DEBT SQUAD 10:45:03 ACTIVITIES. WITH THE ENCOURAGEMENT, THE 10:45:08 PERMISSION, THE TOLERANCE OF THEM? 10:45:13 >> I COULD NOT SAY WHETHER THERE WAS PERMISSION OR TOLERANCE. 10:45:17 I CAN SAY THAT THE PRIME MINISTER KNOWS AND HAS BEEN 10:45:20 FORCEFUL ABOUT SAYING THAT MALICIOUS MUST BE BROUGHT UNDER 10:45:23 CONTROL. HE HAS A WIDE RANGE OF POINTS 10:45:29 THAT GO ALL THE WAYS FROM DIRECT MILITARY CONFRONTATION TO AN 10:45:34 AGREEMENT WITH VARIOUS MALICIOUS. 10:45:35 >> WE WILL NOT BE INVOLVED IN THAT PROCESS? 10:45:39 IT WILL BE EXCLUSIVELY UP TO THE PRIME MINISTER AND HIS FORCES? 10:45:43 >> I WOULD NOT SAY HE WOULD BE EXCLUSIVELY THE WORK OF IRAQIS. 10:45:48 IT IS CLEAR THAT OUR FORCES IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE IRAQIS WILL 10:45:53 HELP TARGET DEATH SQUAD ORGANIZATIONS. 10:45:58 >> MR. SECRETARY, UP $4.9 BILLION IN FUNDING, THE ARMY 10:46:06 REQUESTED FOR RESET WHICH IS REPAIRED AND REPLACING OF 10:46:10 EQUIPMENT, WAS DENIED BEFORE THE REQUEST WAS SUBMITTED TO 10:46:13 CONGRESS. DID YOU DENIED THIS REQUEST OR 10:46:17 DID THE BUDGET DENIED THE REQUEST? 10:46:21 >> AS YOU KNOW, THE NORMAL PROCESS IS THAT THE DEPARTMENT 10:46:24 IS GIVEN A BUDGET BY THE OFFICE OF MANAGEMENT, AND WE TAKE THAT 10:46:31 BUDGET AND WORK WITHIN THE DEPARTMENT TO TRY TO FASHION A 10:46:36 BUDGET THAT IS BALANCED THAT MAKES SENSE. 10:46:39 IN THE EVENT WE HAVE TO REQUEST ADDITIONAL FUNDS WE HAVE DONE 10:46:47 THAT. I DO NOT KNOW PRECISELY WHICH 10:46:53 4.9 -- >> MR. SECRETARY, DID YOU GO 10:46:55 BACK TO THE PRESIDENT AND ASK FOR MORE FUNDS BECAUSE OF THE 10:46:59 CRITICAL NEEDS? >> WE HAVE CERTAINLY GONE TO THE 10:47:03 PRESIDENT AND THE OFFICE OF MANAGEMENT AND BUDGET AND 10:47:05 EXPLAIN THE NEED FOR RESET AND NEGOTIATED EXTENSIVELY WITH THE 10:47:10 OFFICE OF MANAGEMENT AND BUDGET AND REGRETTABLY THERE HAVE BEEN 10:47:13 CUTS MADE BY CONGRESS EVERY YEAR IN THE DEFENSE BUDGET AND HAVE 10:47:17 BEEN NOT ONLY REDUCTIONS IN OUR BUDGET THERE HAVE BEEN THINGS 10:47:20 THAT HAVE BEEN ADDED IN THAT WE DID NOT REQUEST THAT REPORT IS 10:47:23 TO TAKE MONEY FROM OTHER THINGS AND THIRD THERE HAVE BEEN THINGS 10:47:27 REQUIRED OF US THAT WE WERE PREVENTED FROM MAKING SAVINGS 10:47:31 AND THE NET EFFECT IF YOU LOOK JUST TODAY IN THE AUTHORIZATION 10:47:35 AND APPROPRIATION BILLS THE RUN SOMEWHERE BETWEEN 10, 15, $20 10:47:40 BILLION. >> SO THE WHITE HOUSE DID TURN 10:47:43 DOWN YOUR REQUEST? >> THAT WOULD NOT BE CORRECT. 10:47:48 >> YOU DID NOT ASK? >> I CANNOT SAY THAT BECAUSE WE 10:47:53 WENT THROUGH AN EXTENSIVE DISCUSSION AND NEGOTIATION AND 10:47:56 WE ENDED UP WITH A BUDGET WE ENDED UP WITH WHICH WAS THEN 10:47:59 REDUCED BY CONGRESS. >> LAST TUESDAY EVENING, THE 10:48:04 SENATE PASSED AN APPROPRIATION FOR $13 -- $13 BILLION. 10:48:11 IS IT A WASTE? >> IT IS CLEARLY NEEDED. 10:48:16 >> WHY DID YOU ASK FOR THAT CLEARLY NEEDED MONEY? 10:48:19 >> WE DID TALK TO THE WHITE HOUSE ABOUT IT AND THAT IS WHERE 10:48:21 THE NUMBER CAME FROM FROM THE DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE. 10:48:26 >> MR. SECRETARY WHAT YOU WERE SAYING HE'S EITHER DO WOULD ASK 10:48:29 FOR THE MONEY AND THEY SAID NO OR YOU ACCEPTED IN LIMIT DESPITE 10:48:33 THE NEEDS THAT YOU RECOGNIZE. IT IS ONE OR THE OTHER. 10:48:38 >> YOU HAVE LOST ME. >> I THINK YOU HAVE LOST 10:48:42 EVERYONE. >> FIRST WERE TALKING ABOUT $4.9 10:48:46 BILLION NOW WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE $13.1 BILLION, AND WE HAVE 10:48:51 REQUESTED THAT AND THEY HAVE REQUESTED OF CONGRESS AND 10:48:55 CONGRESS HAS PUT IT IN THE BILL AS I ENTER STAND IT. 10:48:59 >> WHEN DID YOU REQUEST THE $13 BILLION? 10:49:03 >> WITHIN THE LAST MONTHS, WEEKS. 10:49:06 >> WEEKS? >> WEEKS. 10:49:10 >> DAYS? WHAT DID YOU REQUEST THE $13 10:49:13 BILLION WHEN IT WAS BEING PREPARED TO BE SENT TO CONGRESS? 10:49:17 >> THE BUDGET WAS NOT BEEN PREPARED TO BE SENT TO CONGRESS, 10:49:20 IT WOULD HAVE BEEN JANUARY OF LAST YEAR FOR THE BUDGET THAT 10:49:26 HAS STILL NOT BEEN PASSED BY THE CONGRESS THIS YEAR. 10:49:30 FOR THE SUPPLEMENTAL IT WOULD HAVE BEEN LATE LAST YEAR AT THE 10:49:33 BEGINNING OF LAST YEAR BUT THE AND WHEN THOSE BUDGETS ARE 10:49:36 PREPARED. WE GAIN KNOWLEDGE EVERY MONTH 10:49:42 IT GOES BY AND IT IS CLEAR WE HAVE A RESET PROBLEM AND IT IS 10:49:44 ALSO CLEAR THAT THE $13 BILLION IS NEEDED. 10:49:48 >> IT IS QUITE CLEAR THAT TWO- THIRDS OF THE ACTIVE RESERVE IS 10:49:51 NOW REPORTING AS UNREADY. THERE'S NOT A SINGLE ON DEPLOYED 10:49:56 TEAM IN UNITED STATES THAT IS READY TOEPLOY 3 THE BOTTOM 10:50:00 LINE IS WE HAVE NO READY STRATEGIC RESERVE. 10:50:04 THIS IS A STUNNING INDICTMENT. >> I THINK IT IS AN INACCURATE 10:50:08 STATEMENT. >> HOW SO? 10:50:11 HAVE YOU SEEN THE REPORTS? >> I HAVE. 10:50:15 >> IT IS INACCURATE TO SAY THAT IT DOES NOT INDICATE SHOULD HEAR 10:50:19 -- SEVERE SHORTAGES? MANY BRIGADE'S NOT DEPLOYABLE? 10:50:25 >> ALLOW ME A FEW MINUTES TO RESPOND. 10:50:28 IT IS COMPLICATED. I STAND WITH WHAT I SAY. 10:50:32 THE CHARACTERIZATION THAT HE MADE IS NOT ACCURATE. 10:50:37 IT IS COMPLICATED. IF ONE SEES A CHART THAT SHOWS 10:50:41 THE DETERIORATION LIKE THIS OVER A FIVE, SIX, SEVEN, 10 YOUR 10:50:46 TIME -- YEAR PERIOD, IT SEEMS TO DETERIORATE. 10:50:56 IF YOU BEGIN WITH A STANDARD OF REQUIREMENT THAT IS EX AND THEN 10:51:01 YOU SHOW THE BEGINNING OF THE CHART AND THEN AT THE END YOU 10:51:04 HAVE CHANGED YOUR REQUIREMENT BECAUSE YOU HAVE DECIDED UNIQUE 10:51:07 DIFFERENT THINGS AND YOU HAVE LEARNED FROM THE EXPERIENCES OF 10:51:10 THE LAST YEARS AND YOU HAVE INCREASED REQUIREMENTS TO 10:51:17 5X SO IF YOU HAVE IMPROVED 300% YOU WERE AT 100% TO BEGAN AND I 10:51:24 YOU NEED 5X AND YOU HAVE IMPROVED 300% TO GET THERE, YOU 10:51:32 ARE STILL SHORT OF THAT REQUIREMENT AND THAT IS WHAT 10:51:35 SHOWS THE DETERIORATION. THE FACT IS THE EQUIPMENT THAT 10:51:38 THE MILITARY HAS TODAY IS VASTLY BETTER TODAY THAN IT WAS FIVE 10:51:42 YEARS AGO. THE READINESS OF OUR 10:51:45 CAPABILITIES IF YOU MEASURE THEM AGAINST FULL SPECTRUM YOU CAN 10:51:49 SAY THEY ARE NOT READY TO DO EVERYTHING THAT ANYONE 10:51:53 CONCEIVABLY MIGHT NEED TO DO. ON THETHER HAND, IF YOU ASK 10:51:56 THE READINESS OF THE FORCES TO WHAT THEY ARE ASKED TO DO, ARE 10:52:01 THEY CAPABLE OF DOING WHAT THEY'RE DOING? 10:52:04 EQUIPPED AND TRAINED? HE WILL TELL YOU YES. 10:52:07 IF YOU ASK THE GENERAL ON THE ARMED FORCES OF THE U.S. BETTER 10:52:11 TODAY, MORE CAPABLE, BETTER EQUIPPED THAN FIVE YEARS AGO? 10:52:15 HE WILL SAY YES. IF YOU ASK GENERAL PAYS THE 10:52:20 QUESTION, IS THE UNITED STATES TODAY CAPABLE OF FULFILLING THE 10:52:25 REQUIREMENTS THAT THIS COUNTRY HAS PUT ON THEM, THE ANSWER IS 10:52:29 YES. >> LET ME TAKE THAT OPPORTUNITY. 10:52:33 >> YOU ARE WAY OVER YOUR TIME. WE NEED TO ALLOW THE WITNESS TO 10:52:37 FULLY RESPOND TO YOUR QUESTION. WE WILL HAVE ANOTHER ROUND AND 10:52:43 YOU CAN PURSUE THIS AT THAT TIME. 10:52:46 I HAVE TO ACCOMMODATE OTHER MEMBERS. 10:52:48 BOURKE-WHITE A BIT OVER YOUR TIME. 10:52:51 AS THE WITNESS HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO FULLY RESPOND? 10:52:56 >> I HAVE. IT WOULD BE USEFUL IF THE 10:52:59 SENATORS LAST QUESTION -- >> MR. CHAIRMAN, WOULD YOU ALLOW 10:53:04 ME TO ASK MY QUESTION? >> WE HAVE ALLOWED YOU TO ASK 10:53:11 YOUR QUESTION FULLY. IT WAS STATED AND IT IS IN THE 10:53:14 RECORD. I THINK WITH CLARITY AND THE 10:53:18 SECRETARY HAS RESPONDED. WE WILL HAVE A SECOND NOW AT 10:53:21 WHICH TIME WE CAN FURTHER PURSUE THIS. 10:53:28 NOW, THE SECRETARY HAS ASKED THE GENERAL TO GIVE HIS PERSPECTIVE. 10:53:34 >> MR. CHAIRMAN, IF ON CUE. -- THANK YOU. 10:53:41 READINESS IS REFLECTED IN TRAINING AND EQUIPMENT AND 10:53:44 PERSONNEL. ANYTIME A UNIT COMES BACK FROM 10:53:48 ANY DEPLOYMENT, WHEN I WAS BAALION COMMANDER, THE UNIT AS 10:53:52 PEOPLE WHO CHANGE OUT AND THEREFORE THE PERSONNEL NUMBERS 10:53:57 GO DOWN IN THE TRAINING AS A RESULT OF PEOPLE COMING BACK 10:54:01 STARTS OUT A NEW INTO THE NEW CYCLE AND EQUIPMENT IS TAKEN 10:54:06 FROM WHAT HAS BEEN USED AND PUT INTO MAINTENANCE. 10:54:09 THAT IS NORMAL PEACETIME. IN WARTIME, WE'RE USING THE 10:54:14 EQUIPMENT AT MUCH GREATER RATES. SO YOU HAVE A UNIT THAT HAS 100 10:54:22 TRUCKS AND THEY DEPLOY AND THEY COME BACK. 10:54:24 AND THE TRUCKS NORMALLY WILL BE DRIVEN 1,000 MILES A YEAR AND 10:54:30 10,000 MILES IN COMBAT. YOU HAVE A LARGER NUMBER OF 10:54:33 THOSE VEHICLES THAT END UP BEING PUT INTO MAINTENANCE WHICH FOR 10:54:39 THE UNIT THAT IS HOME IN REDUCES THEIR READINESS BASED ON 10:54:44 AVAILABILITY OF EQUIPMENT. THE UNITS THAT ARE FORWARD HAVE 10:54:49 NOT ONLY THE EQUIPMENT THAT THEY WENT OVER WITH BUT AUGMENTED 10:54:53 THINKS TO THE CONGRESS PROVIDING THE FUNDING. 10:54:57 FOR EXAMPLE, ARE HUMVEES -- OUR HUMVEES. 10:55:04 IN SEPTEMBER OF 2001 IT WAS ABOUT 2000. 10:55:07 THAT NUMBER NOW IS UP AT 12,000. WE HAVE BOUGHT UP TO THOSE 10:55:14 12,000 AND WE HAVE USED THEM IN COMBAT AND NOW A NUMBER OF 10:55:18 THOSE 12,000 ARE CURRENTLY IN MAINTENANCE WAITING. 10:55:22 WE ARE WAY OVER THE 2000 RESTARTED TO BEGIN WITH BUT NOW 10:55:25 BECAUSE OF MAINTENANCE USAGE AND COMBAT LOSSES WE ARE BELOW THE 10:55:32 12,000 FOLKS ARE ASKING FOR TODAY. 10:55:34 IT IS DIFFICULT WHEN YOU TURN THE KALEIDOSCOPE TO SEE ALL THE 10:55:37 PIECES AND IT DOES NOT ALLOW ITSELF TO HAVE A STRAIGHT, IT 10:55:42 EASY ANSWER. FUNDAMENTALLY, THE UNITED STATES 10:55:45 ARMY IS MUCH MORE CAPABLE TODAY. FUNDAMENTALLY, THE ARMY THAT IS 10:55:50 FIGHTING OUR FORCE TODAY IS IN TREMENDOUS SHAPE. 10:55:55 PERSONNEL, TRAINING, AND EQUIPMENT. 10:55:58 IT IS ABSOLUTELY IN FACT THAT FOR VARIOUS BUDGETARY REASONS, 10:56:02 SOME OF WHICH ARE RESULT OF ACTIONS TAKEN BY THE CONGRESS, 10:56:05 THAT WE DO NOT HAVE ENOUGH FUNDING CURRENTLY TO PROVIDE 10:56:11 FOR THE REPAIR OF ALL OF THE EQUIPMENT THAT CURRENTLY SITS AT 10:56:16 OUR DEPOTS WAITING TO BE REPAIRED. 10:56:22 THAT IS THE DIALOGUE ABOUT HOW MUCH MONEY IS NEEDED, AND $13.1 10:56:27 BILLION, IF APPROVED BY CONGRESS, IT WILL ALLOW THE 10:56:30 MARINE CORPS AND THE ARMY TO TAKE THE EQUIPMENT THAT IS 10:56:33 CURRENTLY STACKED UP AT THEIR DEPOTS AND HARD WORK FORCE AND 10:56:37 BEGIN THE PROCESS. WHAT THIS HAPPENED -- SOME OF 10:56:45 THE WORK FORCE HAS HAD TO BE LET GO. 10:56:48 AND WE CANNOT HAVE THE DEPOTS NOT KNOW WHETHER OR NOT THEY ARE 10:56:55 GOING TO BE ABLE TO HAVE THE FUNDING LONG-TERM TO HIRE 10:56:59 PEOPLE. WE CANNOT HIRE A MECHANIC FOR 10:57:01 SIX MONTHS AND THEN LET HIM GO AND THEN HIRE HIM BACK AGAIN. 10:57:05 I WOULD ASK THAT WE LOOK AT SOME KIND OF FUNDING THAT IS FOCUSED 10:57:10 ON THE BACKLOG OF EQUIPMENT REPAIR THAT WILL ALLOW THE 10:57:13 DEPOTS TO CONSCIOUSLY GO OUT AND HIRE PEOPLE WHO CAN STAY IN THE 10:57:18 WORKFORCE LONG ENOUGH TO GET THIS WORK DONE. 10:57:20 THANK YOU. >> TO READ IS AN IMPORTANT 10:57:24 QUESTION. MR. SECRETARY, I'M GOING TO GET 10:57:30 DOCUMENTATION THAT I LOOKED OUT FOR YOU DID ENGAGE ABOUT THE 10:57:35 NEED FOR THESE FUNDS. I THINK THAT DOCUMENTATION WILL 10:57:39 BE PUT IN THIS. BEFORE YOU BEGAN, SENATOR, WE 10:57:45 HAVE TO BACK-TO-BACK VOTES. IT IS MY ATTENTION TO VOTE 10:57:49 QUICKLY AND SENATOR MCCAIN I'M GOING TO BE ABSENT. 10:57:57 WE WILL KEEP THE HEARING GOING, COLLEAGUES, AS MEMBERS COME AND 10:58:01 GO ON THESE BOATS. >> THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN, I DO 10:58:07 WANT TO THANK YOU FOR GIVING THE GENERAL THE OPPORTUNITY TO 10:58:12 RESPOND TO THAT QUESTION. AN EXCELLENT RESPONSE. 10:58:19 LET ME MAKE A COUPLE OF OBSERVATIONS. 10:58:23 I FIND IT REALLY INTERESTING, I THINK MOST OF THE MEMBERS OF 10:58:27 THIS COMMITTEE HAVE BEEN TO IRAQ A NUMBER OF TIMES. 10:58:33 SEVERAL WHO HAVE NOT BEEN OF ALL. 10:58:35 AND WHEN YOU GET THE REACTION, THE RESPONSE AND OPINIONS 10:58:38 FORMULATED BY THOSE WHO HAVE NOT BEEN THERE, IT IS TOTALLY 10:58:41 DIFFERENT THAN THOSE WHO HAVE REALLY BEEN THERE AND 10:58:44 UNDERSTAND FIRSTHAND WHAT IS GOING ON. 10:58:47 THERE IS NO BETTER EXAMPLE OF DEATH IN AN ARTICLE THAT WAS IN 10:58:50 THE PAPER IN USA TODAY THAT SAID THAT ONLY, WITHOUT QUOTING 10:58:56 A SOURCE, OF THE 18 PROVINCES ONLY ONE WAS ABLE TO BE SECURED 10:59:04 JUST WITH THE IRAQIS. ON THE OTHER HAND, A DOCTOR 11:00:00 HUSSEIN AND HE HATED AMERICANS. 11:00:02 UNTIL HE STARTED EMBEDDED TRAINING WITH MARINES AND HE 11:00:06 SAID WHEN HE ROTATED HIM OUT HE CRIED. 11:00:10 HE DID NOT RENAME THE IRAQI SECURITY FORCES AT FALLUJAH THE 11:00:16 FALLUJAH MARINES. . 11:00:51 BUT WHEN YOU SIT DOWN AND SPEND QUALITY TIME WITH THEM YOU GET A 11:00:56 DIFFERENT IMPRESSION THAT YOU DO LOOKING AT THE MEDIA HERE. 11:01:01 . GENERAL PACE SAID, AND I WOULD 11:01:09 LIKE GENERAL ABIZAID MAY BE TO RESPOND TO THIS, HE SAID AT THAT 11:01:15 TIME OF THOSE 36 BRIGADES, 17 -- THE IRAQI BRIGADES -- 17 WORK AT 11:01:21 LEVEL 2, CAPABLE OF OF THOMAS CARPER RATIONS, AND OF THE 112 11:01:27 BATTALIONS, 62 WERE AT LEVEL 2. THIS IS TWO MONTHS AGO. 11:01:32 DO YOU AGREE WITH HIS ASSESSMENT AT THAT TIME THAT THOSE WHO ARE 11:01:38 TRAINED AND EQUIPPING IRAQI SECURITY FORCES, AND HAS THAT 11:01:43 CHANGED IN THE LAST TWO MONTHS? >> I THINK THE BEST WAY TO 11:01:48 CHARACTERIZE WHERE THE IRAQIS ARE DOING MORE HAS TO DO WITH 11:01:53 UNITS THAT ARE IN THE LEAD IN THE SECURITY STRUCTURE IN 11:01:58 WHATEVER AREA THAT HAS BEEN ASSIGNED. 11:02:02 IN OCTOBER OF 2004, ONE DIVISION, FOR BRIGADES -- 11:02:24 I THINK IT IS IMPORTANT FOR PEOPLE TO UNDERSTAND THAT WHILE 11:02:29 THERE ARE WARNING SIGNALS ABOUT SECTARIAN VIOLENCE, THE MOST 11:02:34 IMPORTANT THAT WE HAVE TO KEEP IN MIND IS THAT THE ARMY IS 11:02:39 HOLDING TOGETHER A AND THE GOVERNMENT IS COMMITTED TO 11:02:44 BRINGING THE SECTARIAN VIOLENCE UNDER CONTROL. 11:02:49 SO THE QUESTION IS, AM I OPTIMISTIC WHETHER OR NOT IRAQI 11:02:54 FORCES WITH OUR SUPPORT AND WITH THE BACKING OF THE WRECKING 11:02:59 GOVERNMENT -- >> I HAVE TO SAY THAT I WAS 11:03:12 INCREDIBLY IMPRESSED. WE ALL ARE FAMILIAR WITH 11:03:54 THE IRAQI SOLDIERS ARE FIGHTING, TAKING CASUALTIES, 11:03:59 FIGHTING FOR THEIR NATION AND TRYING TO GET SOME -- SECTARIAN 11:04:04 VIOLENCE IN THE INSURGENCY UNDER CONTROL AND THEY DESERVE AN 11:04:09 ENORMOUS ABOUT -- AMOUNT OF OUR RESPECT AND SUPPORT. 11:04:14 SOMETIMES WE SEEM TO THINK WE ARE THE ONLY FORCES THERE. 11:04:19 WE ARE NOT. THERE ARE OVER 20 20,000 IRAQIS 11:04:23 OUT THERE FIGHTING AND DOING A PRETTY GOOD JOB. 11:04:28 THERE ARE SOME PROBLEMS IN THE ORGANIZATIONS BUT THEY ARE 11:04:33 MATURING AND ARE DOING BETTER. >> AND THEY ARE COMMITTED. 11:04:38 I HAPPEN TO BE IN THE HOMETOWN OF SADDAM HUSSEIN WHEN THE 11:04:43 TRAINING AREA WAS BOMBED BY THE TERRORISTS -- ABOUT 40 OF THEM 11:04:48 WERE EITHER KILLED OR INJURED. THOSE 40 FAMILIES RESUPPLIED A 11:04:53 MEMBER OF THEIR FAMILY TO REPLACE THE ONE THAT WAS KILLED. 11:04:58 I KNOW MY TIME IS EXPIRED, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO ASK THEM TO GIVE 11:05:04 US SOME INFORMATION. I KNOW THE ORGANIZATIONAL 11:05:18 STRUCTURE OF SIMPLE EQUIPMENT AND SUPPLIES IS NOT THERE, BUT I 11:05:23 WANT TO KNOW WHAT YOU'RE DOING TO CORRECT A LOGISTICAL 11:05:28 PROBLEMS. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. 11:05:31 >> SENATOR BEN NELSON? >> THANK YOU, GENTLEMEN, FOR 11:05:36 BEING HERE TODAY. I SINK YOUR TESTIMONY RESPONSE 11:05:41 TO QUESTIONS HAS BEEN VERY HELPFUL. 11:05:44 IN CONNECTION WITH THE NUMBER OF IRAQI TROOPS THAT ARE COMBAT 11:05:50 CAPABLE, OUT OF THE OVER 250,000 SECURITY FORCES THAT ARE THERE, 11:05:55 ARE THERE ANY ESTIMATE OF THE NUMBER THAT WOULD BE COMBAT 11:06:00 CAPABLE? >> SENATOR, FOR THE RECORD, THE 11:06:04 NUMBER OF TRAINED IRAQI POLICE, SECURITY AND IRAQI MILITARY 11:06:10 FORCES, THE NUMBER IS CLOSER TO 275,000. 11:06:15 THE CAPABILITY WAS IN THE ARMY, I THINK AGAIN THE BEST MEASURE 11:06:20 OF THOSE UNITS THAT ARE IN AT THE LEAD, WHICH ARE SORT 11:06:25 DIVISIONS, 21 BRIGADES, AND 77 BATTALIONS, BUT THERE IS A VERY 11:06:31 DETAILED LIST OF WHAT UNIT IS AT WHAT LEVEL THAT WE CAN CERTAINLY 11:06:36 PROVIDE TO YOU. >> THAT WOULD BE VERY HELPFUL. 11:06:41 >> THEY ARE MUCH IMPROVED AND THEY CONTINUE TO IMPROVE. 11:06:46 >> WHICH IS PART OF THE EMPHASIS OF STANDING THERE A MILITARY UP 11:06:51 SO WE CAN STAD HOURS DOWN. THE MORE CAPABLE THEY ARE, 11:06:56 HOPEFULLY THERE SHOULD BE A CONNECTION WITH THE REDUCTION OF 11:07:01 OUR FORCES. IN TERMS OF THE POLICE, LET'S 11:07:05 SAY THE MUNICIPAL POLICE, DO WE KNOW WHAT PERCENTAGE FOR WHAT 11:07:11 NUMBER OF THE TOTAL NUMBER YOU WOULD LOOK AT AS BEING NOT ONLY 11:07:16 CAPABLE THE TRAINED BUT HONEST AND AS PART OF THE OVERALL 11:07:21 GOVERNMENT AS OPPOSED TO A MILITIA? 11:07:25 >> IT IS A DIFFICULT QUESTION TO ANSWER. 11:07:30 THERE ARE SOME PLACES WHERE THE LOCAL POLICE ARE EXCEPTIONALLY 11:07:35 EAST ASIAN AND VERY HONEST AND VERY CAPABLE. 11:07:39 THERE ARE OTHER AREAS WHERE WE KNOW THAT THEY HAVE BEEN 11:07:44 INFILTRATED BY VARIOUS MILITIAS SUCH AS IN WHERE THE FORCES ARE 11:07:49 DOING THEIR BEST TO STAND DOWN THOSE UNITS ON LINE IN THE -- 11:07:55 CAPABLE MANNER. AS FAR AS NATIONAL POLICE FORCE 11:07:59 IS OUR CONCERN BASRA, IN BAD THAT IT IS CLEAR THERE ARE A 11:08:04 NUMBER OF BATTALIONS -- AGAIN, WITHOUT MY NOTES IN FRONT TO ME 11:08:09 -- THERE ARE A NUMBER OF BATTALIONS THAT NEED TO BE STOOD 11:08:14 DOWN AND RETRAINED, AND THEY ARE WORKING TO DO THAT NOW. 11:08:19 >> TO KNOW IF IT IS 50% OR 30 PERCENT? 11:08:23 >> THAT IS NATIONAL POLICE WHICH IS SEPARATE AND DISTINCT FROM 11:08:29 MUNICIPAL. >> I THINK THE DEBATE ABOUT 11:08:33 WHETHER WE HAVE A DATE FOR WITHDRAWAL, WHETHER THERE IS AN 11:08:38 OPEN-ENDED COMMITMENTS, HOPEFULLY THE DEBATE WILL 11:08:42 CONTINUE BUT I WONDER ABOUT AN APPROACH THAT IS DIFFERENT THAN 11:08:48 SETTING A DATE FOR WITHDRAWAL AND TO CLOSE ANY QUESTION ABOUT 11:08:53 WHETHER IT IS AN OPEN ENDED EQUIPMENT WOULD BE BETTER 11:08:58 APPROACHED FORT SETTING CONDITIONS FOR STAYING WITH THE 11:09:02 PRIME MINISTER WITH THE IRAQI GOVERNMENT. 11:09:07 IN OTHER WORDS, THERE IS A LOT OF SLIPPING AS TO HOW WE HAVE 11:09:12 STANDING UP AND STANDING DOWN FROM OUR MILITARY VERSUS THEIR 11:09:17 MILITARY BECAUSE THINGS CHANGE. BUT WE DO HAVE -- DO WE HAVE AN 11:09:22 IDEA OF WHAT THE STAYING CONDITIONS ARE? 11:09:26 THE TIPPING POINT IS THEIR ABILITY OR INABILITY TO GET TO A 11:09:32 CERTAIN LEVEL? THE ABILITY TO GOVERN -- GOVERN 11:09:36 THEMSELVES AS WELL AS SECURE THEMSELVES? 11:09:40 I GUESS I WOULD FEEL MORE COMFORTABLE IF WE CAN ESTABLISH 11:09:45 SOME SORT OF METRICS TO KNOW WHAT IT TAKES IN TERMS OF 11:09:50 PERCENTAGE, NUMBERS, AND WHAT IT WOULD TAKE IN TERMS OF TIME SO 11:09:55 THAT WE CAN SAY THAT THEY ARE CAPABLE OF NOT ONLY GOVERNING 11:10:00 THEMSELVES WITH THE ELECTED GOVERNMENT BUT ALSO IN TERMS OF 11:10:06 SECURING THEMSELVES SO THEY CAN GOVERN THEMSELVES. 11:10:10 I DO NOT KNOW WHO WOULD LIKE TO TAKE THAT QUESTION, BUT I THROW 11:10:16 IT OUT TO ALL THREE OF YOU. >> SENATOR, THE GOVERNMENT HAS 11:10:21 BEEN IN EXISTENCE NOW FORCE THREE MONTHS. 11:10:25 THEY HAVE A LOT OF WORK TO DO TO CEMENT THEIR CAPABILITY, IT IS A 11:10:30 DIFFICULT THING TO DO WITH SECTARIAN VIOLENCE AND 11:10:35 INSURGENTS. I THINK IT IS VERY IMPORTANT FOR 11:10:39 PEOPLE TO UNDERSTAND THAT WHILE THERE MAY BE A MILITARY METRIC 11:10:44 TO UNITS IN THE IRAQI ARMY BETTER EQUIPPED AND TRAINED AND 11:10:49 THEN TAKEN OVER BATTLE SPACE, THERE IS ALSO AN IMPORTANT 11:10:54 POLITICAL ASPECT TO THIS REDUCTION OF SECTARIAN VIOLENCE 11:10:59 WHICH IS THE VARIOUS COMMUNITIES GETTING TOGETHER AND AGREEING 11:11:05 UPON WAYS TO REDUCE SECTARIAN VIOLENCE THEMSELVES. 11:11:09 IT IS IMPORTANT THAT THERE BE A NATIONAL RECONCILIATION EFFORT 11:11:15 AND IT IS IMPORTANT THAT THERE BE AGREED UPON MEASURES TO MOVE 11:11:20 FORWARD WITH VERY SMALL BUSHELS -- MILITIAS OPERATING OUTSIDE 11:11:25 THE GOVERNMENT. I THINK THE COMBINATON WILL 11:11:29 LEAD TO LESS VIOLENCE, ESTABLISHED THE ROLE OF THE 11:11:34 NATIONAL GOVERNMENT IN IRAQ AND ALLOW US TO BRING OUR LEVEL OF 11:11:39 FORCE IS DOWN AS APPROPRIATE. >> SENATOR NELSON, I JUST ADD 11:11:44 THAT THE U.S. AMBASSADOR AND GENERAL KASEY HAVE ESTABLISHED A 11:11:50 COMMITTEE WITH THE NEW IRAQI GOVERNMENT AND THE NATIONAL 11:11:55 SECURITY OFFICIALS IN THAT GOVERNMENT TO ADDRESS THE VERY 11:12:00 ISSUES YOU ARE RAISING AS TO WHAT ARE THE THINGS THAT NEED TO 11:12:05 BE DONE. AS GENERAL ABIZAID DIRECTLY -- 11:12:09 POINTED OUT, IT IS WELL BEYOND THE MILITARY. 11:12:13 >> THANK YOU FOR YOUR ANSWERS. >> SANK, MR. IRVING CHAIRMAN. 11:12:18 MR. SECRETARY, THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE AND FOR YOUR 11:12:23 RESPONSES. I TALKED TO A SOLDIER LAST WEEK 11:12:27 WHO HAS HAD TO DEPLOYMENTS TO IRAQ, AND RAISED A QUESTION 11:12:32 ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT ARE THE OBJECTIVES AND GOALS THAT WE 11:12:37 HAVE IN IRAQ ARE ALIGNED WITH THE GOALS THAT THE IRAQI PEOPLE 11:12:43 HAVE. AND IT SEEMS TO ME IF WE ARE 11:12:46 GOING TO GET CONTROL OF THE SECTARIAN SITUATION THE IRAQI 11:12:51 PEOPLE HAVE TO BUY INTO WHAT IS HAPPENING IN IRAQ. 11:12:56 HIS SUGGESTION WAS THAT THEY HAVE NOT. 11:13:00 I WAS THERE A COUPLE OF MONTHS BACK WITH THE DELEGATION WITH 11:13:05 SENATOR MCCAIN, WE HEAR FROM OBVIOUSLY THE COMMANDERS AND OUR 11:13:10 TROOPS, AND IN MOST CASES WE DID NOT HAVE A LOT OF INTERACTION 11:13:16 WITH IRAQI PEOPLE. BUT I WAS WONDERING IF YOU CAN 11:13:20 TALK ABOUT THE INTERACTION THAT WE HAVE WITH THE IRAQI PEOPLE, 11:13:26 THE TROOPS ON THE GROUND OVER THERE, THE TEMPERATURE IN TERMS 11:13:31 OF THEIR WILLINGNESS TO BE PART OF A NATIONAL UNITY GOVERNMENT, 11:13:36 A DEMOCRATIC IRAQ AND THAT SORT OF THING RELATIVE TO WHAT WE'RE 11:13:42 TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH. THIS IS ONE SOLDIER WHO SAYS HE 11:13:46 VISITS WITH THEM OVER TIME AND SAYS THERE GOALS ARE NOT ALIGNED 11:13:52 WITH OURS. >> THERE ARE CERTAINLY PEOPLE IN 11:13:56 IRAQ WHO DO NOT WANT THE COUNTRY TO COME TOGETHER AS AN 11:14:01 INDEPENDENT STATE. THERE ARE TERRORIST GROUPS THAT 11:14:06 WANT IRAQ TO DESCEND INTO ANARCHY AND CHAOS SO THEY CAN 11:14:10 ESTABLISH SAFE HAVENS FOR TERRORISTS. 11:14:14 BUT I THINK AS I GO AROUND AND TALK TO OFFICERS AND GOVERNMENT 11:14:20 OFFICIALS AND PEOPLE SORT OUT WHAT COUNTRY, AND I THINK THE 11:14:25 GENERAL WILL ECHO THIS, THE MAJORITY WANT IRAQ TO COME 11:14:30 TOGETHER AS A FREE AND INDEPENDENT NATION CAPABLE OF 11:14:34 BEING A MEANINGFUL MEMBER -- MEMBER OF THE COMMUNITY OF 11:14:39 NATIONS IN THAT PART OF THE WORLD NOT DOMINATED BY IRANIANS 11:14:44 OR SUNNI EXTREMISTS GROUPS. I KNOW THEY HAVE TO FIGHT TO 11:14:49 ACHIEVE THAT. >> IT IS NOT SURPRISING, 11:14:53 SENATOR, THAT AN AMERICAN SOLDIER WOULD VISIT WITH THE 11:14:58 IRAQIS AND SEE THAT THEY DO HAVE A DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVE. 11:15:03 THEY HAVE A DFFERENT HISTORY AND IS FULLY UNDERSTANDABLE. 11:15:08 ON THE OTHER HAND, 12 MILLION OF THEM WENT OUT AND VOTED AND 11:15:13 FASHIONED A CONSTITUTION AND RATIFIED IT. 11:15:18 IT IS THERE FOR THE WORLD TO SEE, AND THEY HAVE BEEN VOTING 11:15:23 IN INCREASING NUMBERS. GENERAL ABIZAID IS CERTAINLY 11:15:27 RIGHT THAT THERE ARE SOME WHO WANT TO TAKE BACK THE COUNTRY, 11:15:33 AND THOSE WHO WANT TO DOMINATE IT TO THE DETRIMENT OF THE 11:15:38 SUNNIS, BUT THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS THAT 12,000,001 OUT 11:15:43 AND VOTED FOR THAT CONSTITUTION, AND THAT IS SOMETHING IMPORTANT. 11:15:48 >> I APPRECIATE YOUR COMMENT THAT I HEARD YOU MAKE PREVIOUSLY 11:15:53 AS WELL THAT THE FORCES WHO WANT TO HOLD TO -- THE COUNTRY 11:15:58 TOGETHER ARE GREATER THAN THOSE WHO WANT TO SEE IT FAIL. 11:16:03 BUT I JUST WANTED TO GET YOUR ASSESSMENT OF THE GROUND, 11:16:08 AVERAGE IRAQI ON THE STREET VIEW OF WHAT IS HAPPENING THERE 11:16:13 BECAUSE IT SEEMS TO ME AT LEAST THAT THAT IS A KEY COMPONENT IN 11:16:19 THE STARTING TO TURN OVER INFORMATION ON SOME OF THE BAD 11:16:24 GUYS THAT ARE COMMITTING THE VIOLENCE. 11:16:28 ONE OTHER QUESTION HAS TO DO IT AGAIN WITH THE BORDERS AND HOW 11:16:33 ARE WE DOING WITH RESPECT TO IRAN AND SYRIA, THE FOREIGN ARMS 11:16:38 THAT SERVE AS THE LIFEBLOOD TO THE INSURGENT GROUPS. 11:16:43 ARE THE IRAQIS SEEING THAT AS A SIRET TO SOVEREIGNTY AND ARE 11:16:48 THEY DOING THE WORK TO PROTECT THE BORDERS AND MAKING SURE THAT 11:16:53 THE ARMS THAT ARE COMING IN ARE BEING CUT OFF. 11:16:58 I'D ASK QUESTIONS ABOUT IBM IMPROVISED EXPLOSIVE DEVICES, 11:17:03 AND HOW THEY GET MATERIALS TO MAKE THEM AND IT SEEMS LIKE IT'S 11:17:08 COMING FROM THESE OTHER COUNTRIES. 11:17:12 I KNOW IT IS IMPOSSIBLE WITH THE LENGTH OF THE BORDERS TO 11:17:17 COMPLETELY SHUT IT OFF, BUT ARE THERE MEASURES BEING TAKEN TO 11:17:22 REGULATE WHAT IS COMING IN? >> YES, SENATOR. 11:17:27 THERE IS A BORDER FORCE AFFECTED AND SOME AREAS, AND LESS 11:17:32 EFFECTIVE IN OTHERS. THE SYRIAN BORDER REMAINS THE 11:17:36 PRIMARY CONDUIT FOR FOREIGN FIGHTERS. 11:17:40 I THINK THE NUMBERS REMAIN AT LESS THAN 100 THAT ARE 11:17:45 TRANSITING BACK AND FORTH. DEMOLITIONS -- THE MUNITIONS 11:17:50 USED INSIDE IRAQ COME FROM IRAQ. THERE ARE SMUGGLING GROUPS THAT 11:17:55 IRANIAN REVOLUTIONARY GUARD PEOPLE ARE USING TO BRING IN 11:18:00 INTERNET -- IMPROVISED EXPLOSIVE DEVICES IN THE SOUTH. 11:18:05 IT IS CLEAR THAT HAT HAS TAKEN PLACE. 11:18:09 > THOSE WEAPONS THAT WERE DISCOVERED, HASN'T BEEN 11:18:14 DETERMINED THAT THOSE ARE LEFTOVERS FROM THE PREVIOUS 11:18:19 REGIME OF THOSE FLOODED IN FROM OTHER COUNTRIES? 11:18:23 >> I WOULD HAVE TO SEE THE SPECIFC REPORT. 11:18:27 THERE ARE WEAPONS FOUND EVERY DAY. 11:18:31 >> WE HAVE HAD 420,000 TONS OF MUNITIONS CAPTURED AND DESTROYED 11:18:37 IN SOME OF 14,000 LOCATIONS. SO IT IS A HUGE LOCATION THAT WE 11:18:42 FIND IT EVERYDAY. > THANK YOU. 11:18:45 AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR OUTSTANDING SERVICE TO YOUR 11:18:50 COUNTRY. MR. CHAIRMAN, I YIELD BACK. 11:18:54 >> SENATOR CLINTON? >> SANK YOU VERY MUCH, SENATOR 11:18:59 MCCAIN. MR. SECRETARY, I AM GLAD YOU ARE 11:19:03 HERE. IN YOUR OPENING STATEMENT YOU 11:19:07 REFERENCE THE COMMON SENSE OF AMERICANS. 11:19:11 I SINK IT IS FAIR TO SAY IT THE COLLECTIVE COMMON SENSE 11:19:16 OVERWHELMINGLY THIS NOT EITHER UNDERSTAND OR APPROVE OF THE WAY 11:19:21 YOU OR THE ADMINISTRATION ARE HANDLING IRAQ AND AFGHANISTAN. 11:19:26 UNDER YOUR LEADERSHIP THERE HAVE BEEN ERRORS IN JUDGMENT THAT 11:19:31 HAVE LED US WHERE WE ARE IN IRAQ AND AFGHANISTAN. 11:19:36 WE HAVE A FULL-FLEDGED INSURGENCY AND SECTARIAN 11:19:40 CONFLICT IN IRAQ. WHETHER YOU LABEL IT A CIVIL WAR 11:19:45 OR NOT, -- IT HAS CREATED A SITUATION OF EXTREME VIOLENCE 11:19:50 AND LOSS OF LIFE AMONG OUR TROOPS AND THE IRAQIS. 11:19:55 WE DID NOT GO INTO IRAQ WITH ENOUGH TROOPS TO ESTABLISH LAW 11:20:00 AND ORDER. HE DISBANDED THE ENTIRE IRAQI 11:20:04 ARMY, NOW TRYING TO RECREATE IT. DID NOT DO ENOUGH PLANNING FOR 11:20:09 PHASE 4 AND REJECTED ALL THE PLANNING THAT HAD BEEN DONE 11:20:14 PREVIOUSLY TO MAINTAIN STABILITY AFTER THE REGIME WAS OVERTHROWN. 11:20:20 NEW UNDERESTIMATED THE NATURE AND STRENGTH OF THIS INSURGENCY, 11:20:25 SECTARIAN VIOLENCE, AND SPREAD OF IRANIAN INFLUENCE. 11:20:30 LAST YEAR CONGRESS PASSED THE UNITED STATES POLICY IN IRAQ ACT 11:20:35 THAT I SUPPORTED. IT DECLARES 2006 TO BE A YEAR OF 11:20:40 SIGNIFICANT TRANSITION TO FULL IRAQI SOVEREIGNTY WITH IRAQI 11:20:45 SECURITY FORCES TAKING THE LEAD IN THE SECURITY OF A FREE AND 11:20:50 SOVEREIGN IRAQ, CREATING CONDITIONS FOR THE PHASE 11:20:54 REDEPLOYMENT. HOWEVER WE APPEAR TO BE MOVING 11:20:59 IN THE OPPOSITE DIRECTION. THE NUMBER OF U.S. TROOPS IN 11:21:04 IRAQ ARE SCHEDULED TO INCREASE, AND NOT DECREASE, AND THAT IS 11:21:09 THE ONLY WAY I THINK YOU CAN FAIRLY CONSIDER THE DECISION 11:21:14 WITH RESPECT TO THE 172ND STRIKER BRIGADE. 11:21:18 MR. SECRETARY, AS WE RETURNED TO OUR STATES BEFORE THE AUGUST 11:21:23 RECESS, CONSTITUENTS HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT THE CURRENT 11:21:28 STATE OF AFFAIRS. I DO NOT NEED TO REMIND ANY OF 11:21:33 US THAT WE CONTINUE TO LOSE OUR YOUNG MEN AND WOMEN, 120 FROM 11:21:38 NEW YORK ALONE. BESIDE THE U.S. LOSSES, OF 11:21:42 VIOLENCE DOES SEEM TO BE INCREASING. 11:21:46 FROM JANUARY TO JUNE THERE WERE OVER 14,000 IRAQI CIVILIAN 11:21:51 CASUALTIES, AT LEAST AS FAR AS ANYONE CAN COUNT. 11:21:56 IN A JULY 22 ARTICLE IN THE NEW YORK TIMES JOURNAL OF THE SEA 11:22:01 WAS QUOTED AS SAYING -- TWO MONTHS AFTER THE IRAQI 11:22:06 GOVERNMENT HAS TAKEN OFFICE, THE SECURITY GAINS HAVE NOT BEEN 11:22:11 ACHIEVED. THEN THERE WAS THE BIG 11:22:14 ANNOUNCEMENT ABOUT THE COMMITMENT OF THE NEW IRAQI 11:22:19 GOVERNMENT TO SECURE BAGHDAD. TWO MONTHS INTO THAT IT IS CLEAR 11:22:24 IT IS NOT WORKING AND WE ARE NOW PUTTING IN MORE AMERICAN TROOPS, 11:22:30 AND FOLLOWING THE LEAD OF SENATOR MCCAIN, REMOVING THEM 11:22:35 FROM OTHER PLACES THAT ARE HARDLY STABLE AND SECURE. 11:22:39 IN AFGHANISTAN YOUR ADMINISTRATION'S CREDIBILITY IS 11:22:44 ALSO SUSPECT. IN DECEMBER 2002 YOU SAID THE 11:22:48 TALIBAN WAS GONE, INTO OUT -- THE PRESIDENT ALSO SAID IT IS NO 11:22:54 LONGER IN EXISTENCE. IN 2005 ATTACKS BY THE CALIBAN 11:22:58 AND OTHER ANTI COALITION FORCES WERE UP 20%, AND THESE 11:23:03 INSURGENTS WERE A GREATER THREAT TO THE AFGHAN GOVERNMENT EFFORTS 11:23:09 TO EXPAND ITS AUTHORITY SINCE ANY TIME SINCE 2001. 11:23:13 FURTHER, GENERAL EIKENBERRY MADE A COMMENT ABOUT THE DANGERS THAT 11:23:19 ARE NOW OF GOING ON IN AFGHANISTAN AND THE FAILURE TO 11:23:24 BE ABLE TO SECURE IT. OBVIOUSLY I COULD GO ON AND ON. 11:23:28 IN A RECENT BOOK APTLY TITLED FIASCO DESCRIBES IN SOME DETAIL 11:23:34 THE DECISION MAKING APPARATUS THAT HAS LED US TO THIS 11:23:38 SITUATION. SO, MR. SECRETARY, WHEN OUR 11:23:42 CONSTITUENTS ASK FOR EVIDENCE THAT YOUR POLICY IN IRAQ AND 11:23:48 AFGHANISTAN WILL BE SUCCESSFUL, YOU DO NOT LEAVE US WITH MUCH TO 11:23:53 TALK ABOUT. YES, WE HEAR ABOUT HAPPY TALK 11:23:57 AND ROSY SCENARIOS, BECAUSE OF THE ADMINISTRATION IS STRATEGIC 11:24:02 BLUNDERS AND FRANKLY THE RECORD OF INCOMPETENCE IN EXECUTING, 11:24:08 YOU ARE PRESIDING OVER A FAILED POLICY. 11:24:12 GIVEN YOUR TRACK RECORD, SECRETARY OF RUMSFELD, WHY 11:24:16 SHOULD WE BELIEVE YOUR ASSURANCES NOW? 11:24:20 >> MY GOODNESS. FIRST, -- I TRIED TO MAKE NOTES 11:24:25 AND FOLLOW THE PREPARED STATEMENT SAID YOU HAVE 11:24:29 PRESENTED. FIRST OF ALL, IT IS TRUE THAT 11:24:33 THERE IS SECTARIAN STRIFE IN IRAQ AND IT IS A LOSS OF LIFE 11:24:38 AND IT IS UNFORTUNATE AND TRAGIC THAT THIS HAS TAKEN PLACE. 11:24:44 IT IS TRUE THAT THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO ARE ATTEMPTING TO PREVENT 11:24:49 THAT GOVERNMENT FROM BEING SUCCESSFUL. 11:24:53 AND AS THEY ARE THE PEOPLE WHO ARE BLOWING UP BUILDINGS AND 11:24:58 KILLING INNOCENT MEN AND WOMEN AND CHILDREN AND TAKING OFF THE 11:25:03 HEADS OF PEOPLE ON TELEVISION. AND AT THE IDEA THAT THEY ARE 11:25:08 PREVAILING IS UNACCEPTABLE. SECONDLY, WE'VE SAID THE NUMBER 11:25:14 OF TROOPS WERE WRONG. I GUESS HISTORY WILL MAKE A 11:25:18 JUDGMENT. THE NUMBER OF TROOPS THAT WENT 11:25:22 IN AND THE NUMBER OF TROOPS THERE EVERY MONTH SINCE AND THE 11:25:27 NUMBER TODAY REFLECTED THE BEST JUDGMENT OF THE MILITARY 11:25:32 COMMANDERS ON THE GROUND, THEIR SUPERIORS, THE GENERAL PACE, 11:25:38 GENERAL ABIZAID, THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES. 11:25:42 I THINK IT IS NOT CORRECT TO ASSUME THEY WERE WRONG NUMBERS. 11:25:48 AND I DO NOT THINK THE EVIDENCE SUGGEST THAT ENDED WOULD BE 11:25:53 INTERESTING TO SEE WHAT HISTORY BESIDES. 11:25:57 THE BALANCE BETWEEN HAVING TOO MANY AND CONTRIBUTING TO AN 11:26:02 INSURGENCY BY THE FEELING OF OCCUPATION AND THE RISK OF 11:26:07 HAVING TOO FEW AND HAVING THE SECURITY SITUATION NOT BE 11:26:12 SUFFICIENT FOR POLITICAL PROGRESS TO GO FORWARD, IS A 11:26:16 COMPLICATED SET OF DECISIONS, AND I DID NOT KNOW THAT THERE IS 11:26:22 ANY GUIDE BOOK THAT TELLS YOU HOW TO DO WITH. 11:26:26 NO RULE BOOK, NO HISTORY FOR THIS, AND THE JUDGMENTS THAT 11:26:31 HAVE BEEN MADE HAVE BEEN MADE BY EXCEEDINGLY WELL TRAINED PEOPLE. 11:26:37 THE GENTLEMAN SITTING NEXT TO ME, THE PEOPLE ON THE GROUND IN 11:26:42 IRAQ. THEY WERE STUDIED AND EXAMINED 11:26:46 AND ANALYZED BY CIVILIAN LEADERSHIP AND THE PRESIDENT AND 11:26:51 THEY WERE CONFIRMED. SO I THINK YOUR ASSERTION IS AT 11:26:55 LEAST DEBATABLE. THE IDEA THAT THE ARMY WAS 11:27:00 DISBANDED IS I THINK ONE THAT IS FLYING AROUND. 11:27:04 MIGHT IMPRESSION IS THAT TO THE GREATEST EXTET THAT ARMY 11:27:09 DISBANDED ITSELF -- IT WAS MADE UP OF A LOT OF SHIITE CONSCRIPTS 11:27:15 THAT DID NOT WANT TO BE IN ITS, AND MANY HUNDREDS OF SUNNIS WHO 11:27:20 WERE NOT ABOUT TO HANG AROUND AFTER SADDAM HUSSEIN AND HIS 11:27:25 SONS AND THAT ADMINISTRATION WAS REPLACED. 11:27:29 THE WORK TO BUILD A NEW ARMY HAS INCLUDED AN AWFUL LOT OF PEOPLE 11:27:35 FROM THE PRIOR ORMY AND IT HAS BENEFITED FROM THAT. 11:27:39 CERTAINLY, THE ASSERTION THAT THE GOVERNMENT REJECTED ALL OF 11:27:44 THE PLANNING THAT HAD BEEN DONE BEFORE IS SIMPLY FALSE. 11:27:49 IT IS NOT THE CASE. THE PLANNING THAT WAS DONE IT 11:27:54 WAS TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT BY THE PEOPLE EXECUTING THE POST MAJOR 11:27:59 COMBAT. THE COMMENTS ABOUT BAD DEBT, 11:28:03 I'LL POSSIBLY LET GENERAL ABIZAID COMMENT ON. 11:28:07 THE GOAL IS NOT TO HAVE U.S. FORCES DO WITH THE HEAVY LIFTING 11:28:13 IN BAGHDAD. THERE ARE MANY, MANY MORE IRAQI 11:28:17 FORCES IN BAGHDAD. THE ROLE OF THE U.S. FORCES IS 11:28:22 TO HELP THEM, PROVIDE LOGISTICS, ASSIST THEM AS NEEDED, AND TO 11:28:27 CREATE A PRESENCE THAT WILL ALLOW THE IRAQI SECURITY FORCES 11:28:32 TO SUCCEED AND THEN AS OUR FORCES STEPPED BACK IT ALLOWS 11:28:37 THE IRAQI SECURITY FORCES TO BE SUFFICIENT TO MAINTAIN ORDER IN 11:28:42 THIS CITY. I CANNOT PREDICT IF IT WILL WORK 11:28:47 THIS TIME. IT MAY OR MAY NOT, BUT IT 11:28:50 HAPPENS TO REPRESENT THE BEST JUDGMENT OF THE GENERALS AND THE 11:28:56 MILITARY LEADERSHIP, AND GENERAL ABIZAID AND GENERAL PACE AND I 11:29:01 HAVE REVIEWED IT AND WE FEEL IT IS A SENSIBLE APPROACH. 11:29:06 AFGHANISTAN -- I DO NOT KNOW WHO SAID WHAT ABOUT WHETHER TALIBAN 11:29:11 IS GONE, BUT THE TALENT AND THAT WAS RULING AFGHANISTAN WERE 11:29:17 REPLACED AND REPLACED BY AN ELECTION THAT TOOK PLACE IN THAT 11:29:22 COUNTRY. IN TERMS OF THE GOVERNMENT OR 11:29:26 GOVERNMENT ENTITY, THEY WERE GONE, AND THAT IS THE FACT. 11:29:31 ARE THERE STILL SOME OF THEM AROUND, YOU BET. 11:29:35 ARE THEY IN PAKISTAN AND OTHER PLACES, CERTAINLY. 11:29:40 IS THE VIOLENCE UP? YES. 11:29:43 DOES IT TEND TO BE U IN THE SUMMER, SPRING, SUMMER AND FALL 11:29:48 MONTHS? YES. 11:29:51 AND IT DECLINED TO THE WINTER. DOES THAT REPRESENT A FAILED 11:29:56 POLICY? I DO NOT KNOW. 11:29:59 I THINK WE HAVE AN AWFUL LOT OF TALENTED PEOPLE IN ENGAGED IN 11:30:04 THIS AND THE DECISIONS ARE MADE WITH GREAT CARE AFTER A GREAT 11:30:09 DEAL OF CONSIDERATION. ARTHUR SETBACKS AND THINGS THAT 11:30:14 PEOPLE CANNOT ANTICIPATE? DOES THE ENEMY HAVE A BRAIN AND 11:30:19 MAKES ADJUSTMENTS ON THE GROUND, REQUIRING US TO DO THE SAME? 11:30:24 YES. IS THE PROBLEM GOING TO BE 11:30:28 SOLVED IN THE NEAR TERM, THIS LONG STRUGGLE AGAINST EXTREMISM? 11:30:33 NO, I THINK IT WILL TAKE TIME. SOME WARS HAVE LASTED THREE 11:30:38 YEARS, SOME FOUR YEARS, FIVE YEARS -- THE COLD WAR LASTED 11:30:43 OVER 40 YEARS AND THE STRUGGLE AGAINST VIOLENT EXTREMISTS WHO 11:30:49 ARE DETERMINED TO PREVENT PEOPLE FROM EXERCISING THEIR RIGHTS IS 11:30:54 GOING TO GO ON A LONG TIME AND IT IS GOING TO BE TOUGH. 11:30:59 IT DOES NOT MEAN WE HAVE TO SPEND THE REST OF OUR LIVES AS

10:31:00 LEADERSHIP, THAT WOULD GIVE THEM THE ABILITY TO NOT BE INVOLVED 10:31:02 IN THIS, TO QUELL THE VIOLENCE, AND TO EVENTUALLY HELP PRESIDENT 10:31:13 MALIKI DISARM AND DISMANTLE THE MILITIAS? 10:31:19 >> SENATOR, I THINK YOUR POINT IS A VALID ONE, THAT ULTIMATELY 10:31:25 THE SECTARIAN VIOLENCE IS GOING TO BE DEALT WITH BY IRAQIS, AND 10:31:29 IS GOING TO BE DEALT WITH BY IRAQI SECURITY FORCES. 10:31:41 MOLECULE, THE PRIME MINISTER, AND OTHERS ARE TRYING TO DESIGN 10:31:47 IT IN A WAY THAT WILL PULL TOGETHER ELEMENTS WITHIN THE 10:31:50 COUNTRY AND THEREBY REDUCE SECTARIAN VIOLENCE. 10:31:54 I WOUN&L];8x 6M[#" GENERAL'S COMMENTS ON THE 10:31:57 TRAINING EXCEPT TO SAY THAT THE SITUATION OF TRAINING IN IRAQ IN 10:32:01 18 PROVINCES IS QUITE DIFFERENT IN DIFFERENT PROVINCES AND WE 10:32:04 HAVE FORCES IN MOST PROVINCES AN THE TRAINING IS DIFFERENT 10:32:09 WITH DIFFERENT CIRCUMSTANCES THE FACE. 10:32:11 ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THE DEPARTMENT HAS DONE IS HAVE 10:32:14 EXTENSIVE LESSONS LEARNED FROM WHAT IS TAKING PLACE IN IRAQ IN 10:32:18 DIFFERENT PARTS OF THE COUNTRY BROUGHT BACK TO THE JOINT FORCES 10:32:22 COMMAND AND THE NATIONAL TRAINING CENTER AND THE TROOPS 10:32:24 ARE BEING TRAINED UP CAREFULLY TO ENSURE THAT THEY HAVE THE 10:32:29 KIND OF -- BEST KIND OF TRAINING THEY CAN HAVE FOR THE 10:32:32 CIRCUMSTANCES THAT WE BELIEVE THEY'RE GOING TO FIND IN THE 10:32:37 AREAS THEY'RE GOING TO BE ASSIGNED TO. 10:32:39 >> COULD YOU EXPAND ON THIS, ABOUT GETTING IN WITH THE GROWTH 10:32:43 OF THE SECTARIAN VIOLENCE. HOW DO WHERE TROOPS GET IN THERE 10:32:46 AND NOT GET EMBROILED IN THE SECTARIAN VIOLENCE? 10:32:51 IS THIS THE BEGINNING FOR THE END OF THE INCREASED NUMBERS OF 10:32:55 TROOPS THAT WE ARE GOING TO NEED OVER THERE? 10:33:00 HOW WAS THE BACKGROUND AND TRAINING ACTUALLY GOING TO PULL 10:33:05 THAT SECTARIAN VIOLENCE THAT YOU HAVE IDENTIFIED AS ESCALATING AT 10:33:08 THE PRESENT TIME. >> SENATOR KENNEDY THE FIRST 10:33:12 LINE AGAIN SECTARIAN VIOLENCE IS THE IRAQI ARMED FORCES. 10:33:16 THEY KNOW WHERE THE PROBLEMS ARE COMING FROM AN UNRECOGNIZED IT 10:33:21 EASIER THAN OUR TROOPS CAN. I WOULD TELL YOU THAT OUR 10:33:26 FORCES TO HAVE THE CAPABILITY TO PRECISELY TARGETED THE CELLULAR 10:33:31 DEATH SQUAD STRUCTURE THAT IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THIS ACTIVITY. 10:33:34 THE MORE AND MORE OVERTIME WE HAVE BECOME PROFICIENT AND BEING 10:33:38 ABLE TO ATTACK THE CELLULAR STRUCTURE OF AL QAEDA AND WE 10:33:43 INTEND TO USE THAT CAPABILITY AND INTELLIGENCE ACTIVITIES THAT 10:33:47 WE HAVE USED BEFORE TO TARGET THE MILITIA DEATH SQUADS THAT WE 10:33:52 SEE OPERATING OUT IN BAGHDAD WITH A CERTAIN DEGREE OF 10:33:55 FREEDOM. >> THANK YOU. 10:33:58 >> FOR THE RECORD, THIS IS THE JOURNAL'S FULL STATEMENT, JULY 10:34:05 27, 2006. HE SAID "FOR THE MILITARY THE 10:34:09 PLANT IS UNCHARTED GROUND. QUITE FRANKLY, IN 33 YEARS IN 10:34:14 THE UNITED STATES ARMY I NEVER TRAINED TO STOP THE SECTARIAN 10:34:18 FIGHT. THIS IS SOMETHING." 10:34:21 THAT IS THE " TO WHICH I REFERRED TO PURE YEAR SENATOR 10:34:25 MCCAIN? >> MY FIRM BELIEF THAT WE CAN 10:34:33 AND MUST WHEN INTERACT -- THE CONSEQUENCES OF FAILURE WOULD BE 10:34:39 CATASTROPHIC. HE SAID THERE IS THE POSSIBILITY 10:34:42 OF THE SITUATION IN IRAQ DEVOLVING INTO CIVIL WAR, 10:34:46 CORRECT? DID YOU ANTICIPATE THIS 10:34:49 SITUATION ONE YEAR AGO? >> NO, SIR. 10:34:56 >> DID YOU? >> I BELIEVE THAT ONE YEAR AGO 10:35:03 SECTARIAN TENSIONS WERE INCREASING. 10:35:06 NOPE. -- NO. 10:35:14 >> WE ARE MOVING TROOPS INTO BAGHDAD, IS THAT CORRECT? 10:35:18 >> THE NUMBER IS CLOSER TO 3500. PLUS MILITARY POLICE THAT WERE 10:35:25 GOING THERE FOR OTHER DUTIES THAT ARE BEING USED IN THE 10:35:30 OUTER AREAS, A MILITARY POLICEMAN IN PARTICULAR. 10:35:35 >> WHERE ARE THESE TROOPS COMING FROM? 10:35:38 >> THE TROOPS ARE COMING DOWN. >> IS THE SITUATION UNDER 10:35:44 CONTROL IN RAMADI? >> BETTER THAN IT WAS TWO MONTHS 10:35:50 AGO. >> IS THE SITUATION UNDER 10:35:52 CONTROL IN RAMADI? >> I THINK THE SITUATION IN 10:35:57 RAMADI IS WORKABLE. >> AND CHIPS FROM RAMADI CAME 10:36:01 FROM FALLUJAH, ISN'T THAT CORRECT? 10:36:05 THAT IS MY INFORMATION. WE ARE PLAYING A GAME AND OF 10:36:14 WHACK-'EM-ALL. FALLUJAH BECAME A BASE SO WE HAD 10:36:20 TO GO INTO FALLUJAH AND FIGHT ONE OF THE GREAT BATTLES IN 10:36:24 MARINE PORT/ARMY HISTORY. THEN WE WENT BACK THEY'RE NOT 10:36:27 TOO LONG AGO. WHERE ARE YOU GOING TO GET THE 10:36:33 TROOPS? WE MOVE THEM FROM FALLUJAH, NOW 10:36:36 WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO MOVE TROOPS INTO BAGHDAD FROM 10:36:39 SOMEPLACE ELSE. IT IS VERY DISTURBING. 10:36:43 AND IF IT IS ALL UP TO THE IRAQI MILITARY, GENERAL JOHN ABIZAID, 10:36:49 IF IT IS ALL OF THEM, AND WONDER WHY WE HAVE TO MOVE TROOPS INTO 10:36:53 BAGHDAD TO INTERVENE IN WHAT IS CLEARLY SECTARIAN VIOLENCE. 10:37:00 >> SENATOR, IRAQI TROOPS ARE BEING MOVED INTO BAGHDAD. 10:37:04 THE NUMBER OF IRAQI TROOPS IN THE BAGHDAD AREA IS GREATER THAN 10:37:08 OUR TROOPS. WE ARE IN SUPPORT WITH THEM IN 10:37:11 THE MAIN OPERATIONAL AREAS AND I BELIEVE THAT UNDER THE CURRENT 10:37:16 CIRCUMSTANCES THAT IRAQI FORCES NEED TO BENEFIT FROM OUR COMMAND 10:37:20 AND CONTROL CAPABILITIES AND THE SYSTEMS OF UNITS SUCH AS A 10:37:26 STRIKER BRIGADE THAT HAS BEEN MOVED TO THE SOUTH. 10:37:28 >> I WOULD ANTICIPATE PUTTING AMERICAN TROOPS INTO THIS 10:37:32 VOLATILE SITUATION. HE SAID AMERICAN CASUALTIES WILL 10:37:36 PROBABLY GO UP? >> I THINK IT IS POSSIBLE THAT 10:37:44 IN THE TIME AHEAD OF US IN BAGHDAD THAT WILL TAKE INCREASED 10:37:49 CASUALTIES, IT IS POSSIBLE. >> THE SITUATION IN SOUTHERN 10:37:53 IRAQ, I WAS BRIEFED BY BRITISH MILITARY AND OTHERS THAT THERE 10:38:00 IS A GRAVE CONCERN ABOUT IRANIAN PENETRATION THROUGHOUT SOUTHERN 10:38:05 IRAQ. IS THAT A SERIOUS ISSUE? 10:38:08 >> IRANIAN REVOLUTIONARY GUARD COULD FORCE INTELLIGENCE 10:38:18 AGENCIES AND EQUIP WHAT I COULD CALL GROWTH GROUPS AND IT IS A 10:38:23 CONCERN. >> IS BASARA IN CONTROL OF THE 10:38:32 ISSUES? >> THE MILITIAS HAVE GREATER 10:38:35 CONTROL IN BASARA, AND THAT IS WHY THE PRIME MINISTER HAS 10:38:40 APPOINTED A MILITARY OFFICER TO GO DOWN THERE AND GET THE 10:38:43 SECURITY SITUATION BACK UNDER CONTROL. 10:38:46 >> DO YOU HAVE CONFIDENCE IN THE IRAQI MINISTER OF INTERIOR? 10:38:50 >> I DO NOT KNOW THE IRAQI MINISTER OF INTERIOR OF THE WAY 10:38:54 THAT I KNOW THE DEFENSE MINISTER. 10:38:56 I HAVE NO REASON NOT TO HAVE CONFIDENCE IN HIM. 10:39:00 >> DAY AFTER DAY, PEOPLE ARE RUNNING AMOK IN POLICE UNIFORMS 10:39:05 AND ARMY UNIFORMS AND THEY'RE ACTUALLY MALICIOUS AND KILLING 10:39:07 PEOPLE. -- MILITIAS KILLING PEOPLE. 10:39:17 IT IS AN EMERGENCY THAT PEOPLE ARE GOING TO BE KILLED. 10:39:24 TO THE STATE OTHE TRAINING NOT OF THE IRAQI MILITARY BUT OF 10:39:28 IRAQI POLICE AND LAW ENFORCEMENT. 10:39:31 CAN YOU COMMENT ON THAT SITUATION? 10:39:34 >> DURING THE TIME AFTER THE NATIONAL ELECTION WE KNOW 10:39:39 GOVERNANCE FORMED, OF THE INTERIOR MINISTRY IN PARTICULAR, 10:39:45 DID NOT DEVELOP ITS FORCES IN THE WAY THAT WE HAD ANTICIPATED 10:39:48 THAT THEY WOULD OR SHOULD. MILITARY FORCES ON THE OTHER 10:39:52 HAND CONTINUE TO DEVELOP WELL AND PERFORM WELL BUT THERE IS NO 10:39:57 DOUBT THAT POLICE UNITS ESPECIALLY LOCAL POLICE UNITS 10:40:01 WERE INFILTRATED IN BOSNIA -- BASARA IN PARTICULAR BY LOCAL 10:40:07 MILITIAS AND THEY PUT THEIR ALLEGIANCE TO THE MALICIOUS 10:40:11 AHEAD OF THEIR ALLEGIANCE TO THE STATE IT IS VITAL THAT WE TURN 10:40:16 THIS AROUND. >> THE OUTSIDER CONTINUES TO BE 10:40:20 A MAJOR OBSTACLE TO PROGRESS IN IRAQ. 10:40:23 ARE WE -- I BELIEVE THERE IS STILL AN OUTSTANDING AWARD FOR 10:40:27 HIS ARREST -- ARMY'S GOING TO ADDRESS THAT ISSUE? 10:40:31 >> THE ISSUE WILL BE ADDRESSED BY THE IRAQI GOVERNMENT. 10:40:35 >> NOT BY US? >> BE ADDRESSED BY THE IRAQI 10:40:40 GOVERNMENT. >> ALL MY COLLEAGUES ARE HERE'S 10:40:45 OUR WANT TO NOT TAKE TIME -- I JUST WANT TO CONCLUDE -- 10:40:49 SECRETARY RUMSFELD WE PASSED AN AMENDMENT ON THE AUTHORIZATION 10:40:52 BILL WHICH I AM CONFIDENT WILL BE ACCEPTED IN CONFERENCE. 10:40:57 AND THAT REQUIRES THAT OPERATIONS IN AFGHANISTAN BE 10:41:02 INCLUDED IN THE REGULAR BUDGET TO RICK -- BUDGETARY PROCESS. 10:41:07 WE ARE HEARING STORY AFTER STORY ABOUT CORRUPTION'S, ETC. CURIA 10:41:12 WE MUST HAVE SUFFICIENT CONGRESSIONAL OVERSIGHT. 10:41:15 I HOPE YOU ARE MAKING PLANS TO INCLUDE SPENCES INVOLVED IN 10:41:21 OPERATIONS IN IRAQ AND AFGHANISTAN IN THE NORMAL 10:41:24 BUDGETARY PROCESS AND NOT AS A "EMERGENCY SUPPLEMENTAL." 10:41:31 YOU SHOULD AT THIS TIME BE ABLE TO PREDICT WHAT THOSE COSTS 10:41:36 MIGHT BE. I WANT TO SAY, AGAIN, YOU WILL 10:41:41 HAVE A SHOWDOWN UNLESS BOTH WITHIN HIS BODY AND WITHIN THE 10:41:46 EXECUTIVE BRANCH UNLESS WE START GOING THROUGH THE NORMAL 10:41:48 BUDGETARY PROCESS TO FUND THIS CONFLICT WHICH I THINK ALL OF US 10:41:52 AGREE WE WILL BE INVOLVED IN FOREIGN LONG TIME. 10:42:01 >> WE ARE AWARE OF THE AMENDMENT AND NEEDLESS TO SAY WE WILL 10:42:05 COMPLY WITH THE LAW. FROM OUR STANDPOINT WE CAN DO IT 10:42:08 EITHER WAY AND IT HAS BEEN A MATTER THAT HAS BEEN WORKED OF 10:42:11 GENERALLY OVER THE YEAR BETWEEN THE WHITE HOUSE AND THE 10:42:14 LEADERSHIP AND CONGRESS. THE REALITY IS THAT WHAT WE 10:42:20 WOULD HAVE TO DO AS YOU SUGGESTED WOULD BE TO PROVIDE 10:42:23 THE BEST ESTIMATES THAT WE CAN AND PROJECTIONS AND THEN MAKE 10:42:27 ADJUSTMENTS FOR THEM AS TIME PASSED AND WE WOULD BE HAPPY TO 10:42:32 DO THAT. >> MR. CHAIRMAN -- ONE 10:42:38 CLARIFICATION. SO THOSE WATCHING US TO NOT 10:42:41 BELIEVE THAT THEIR SONS AND DAUGHTERS WERE NOT PROPERLY 10:42:44 TRAINED TO HANDLE THE KIND OF VIOLENCE THAT THE SECTARIAN 10:42:49 VIOLENCE IS CREATING. WHAT HE SAID IS EXACTLY TRUE 10:42:51 THAT WE DO NOT TRAIN TO SEPARATE SECTARIAN VIOLENCE AND THAT IS 10:42:56 VERY MUCH IRRESPONSIBILITY ON THE POLITICIANS AND AS WE TALKED 10:43:00 ABOUT ALREADY TO IRAQI PEOPLE NEED TO DO THAT. 10:43:03 WITH REGARD TO THOSE ON PATROL IN BAGHDAD WITH HIS -- WITH HIS 10:43:09 PLATOON, REGARDLESS OF SHI'IA, OR SUNNI, OUR SOLDIERS AND 10:43:14 MARINES ARE WELL TRAINED TO HANDLE THAT. 10:43:17 THERE IS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE KIND OF VIOLENCE THEY HAVE 10:43:20 TO HANDLE AND WHAT WILL PREVENT THE VIOLENCE. 10:43:22 OF PREVENTING THAT VIOLENCE IS THE ROLE OF THE POLITICAL 10:43:27 LEADERS. TO SOLVE. 10:43:30 >> THAT IS THE PURPOSE OF THIS HEARING, TO CLARIFY THESE PUBLIC 10:43:36 STATEMENTS THAT COME BEFORE THIS AND THE AMERICAN PUBLIC. 10:43:39 THANK YOU, CHAIRMAN PACE. >> GENERAL JOHN ABIZAID, IN YOUR 10:43:47 OPINION IS IT AND A TERRORIST ORGANIZATION WITH IMPLICIT 10:43:53 SUPPORT FROM THE IRANIAN GOVERNMENT? 10:43:57 >> THERE ARE GROUPS WITHIN THE ARMY THAT ARE UNDER THE PAY OF 10:44:02 THE IRANIAN GOVERNMENT THAT ARE TERRORIST ORGANIZATIONS. 10:44:05 I AM NOT SURE I CAN SAY THAT IS NECESSARILY TRUE ABOUT THE 10:44:09 ENTIRE ORGANIZATION. >> THERE IS AN OUTSTANDING 10:44:13 WARRANT FOR THE LEADER OF THE ARMY AND HE IS A PROMINENT 10:44:19 MEMBER OF THE IRAQI GOVERNMENT, IS THAT CORRECT -- CORRECT? 10:44:28 >> YES. >> IN FACT IS PART OF THE 10:44:32 GOVERNMENT? >> I BELIEVE THAT THE PRIME 10:44:35 MINISTER AND HIS GOVERNMENT WILL TAKE THE STEPS NECESSARY TO GET 10:44:39 THE SECTARIAN VIOLENCE UNDER CONTROL AND TO WHAT HAS TO BE 10:44:41 DONE AGAINST THE DEATH SQUADS. >> YOU HAVE ANY SENSE OF THE 10:44:45 TIMING OF THIS, WITH RESPE TO THE TIMING? 10:44:53 >> I WOULD NOT CHARACTERIZE THE TARGET. 10:44:56 I WOULD SAY THERE ARE ELEMENTS THAT ARE BEING -- THAT WILL BE 10:45:01 TARGETED BECAUSE OF PARTICIPATING IN DEBT SQUAD 10:45:03 ACTIVITIES. WITH THE ENCOURAGEMENT, THE 10:45:08 PERMISSION, THE TOLERANCE OF THEM? 10:45:13 >> I COULD NOT SAY WHETHER THERE WAS PERMISSION OR TOLERANCE. 10:45:17 I CAN SAY THAT THE PRIME MINISTER KNOWS AND HAS BEEN 10:45:20 FORCEFUL ABOUT SAYING THAT MALICIOUS MUST BE BROUGHT UNDER 10:45:23 CONTROL. HE HAS A WIDE RANGE OF POINTS 10:45:29 THAT GO ALL THE WAYS FROM DIRECT MILITARY CONFRONTATION TO AN 10:45:34 AGREEMENT WITH VARIOUS MALICIOUS. 10:45:35 >> WE WILL NOT BE INVOLVED IN THAT PROCESS? 10:45:39 IT WILL BE EXCLUSIVELY UP TO THE PRIME MINISTER AND HIS FORCES? 10:45:43 >> I WOULD NOT SAY HE WOULD BE EXCLUSIVELY THE WORK OF IRAQIS. 10:45:48 IT IS CLEAR THAT OUR FORCES IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE IRAQIS WILL 10:45:53 HELP TARGET DEATH SQUAD ORGANIZATIONS. 10:45:58 >> MR. SECRETARY, UP $4.9 BILLION IN FUNDING, THE ARMY 10:46:06 REQUESTED FOR RESET WHICH IS REPAIRED AND REPLACING OF 10:46:10 EQUIPMENT, WAS DENIED BEFORE THE REQUEST WAS SUBMITTED TO 10:46:13 CONGRESS. DID YOU DENIED THIS REQUEST OR 10:46:17 DID THE BUDGET DENIED THE REQUEST? 10:46:21 >> AS YOU KNOW, THE NORMAL PROCESS IS THAT THE DEPARTMENT 10:46:24 IS GIVEN A BUDGET BY THE OFFICE OF MANAGEMENT, AND WE TAKE THAT 10:46:31 BUDGET AND WORK WITHIN THE DEPARTMENT TO TRY TO FASHION A 10:46:36 BUDGET THAT IS BALANCED THAT MAKES SENSE. 10:46:39 IN THE EVENT WE HAVE TO REQUEST ADDITIONAL FUNDS WE HAVE DONE 10:46:47 THAT. I DO NOT KNOW PRECISELY WHICH 10:46:53 4.9 -- >> MR. SECRETARY, DID YOU GO 10:46:55 BACK TO THE PRESIDENT AND ASK FOR MORE FUNDS BECAUSE OF THE 10:46:59 CRITICAL NEEDS? >> WE HAVE CERTAINLY GONE TO THE 10:47:03 PRESIDENT AND THE OFFICE OF MANAGEMENT AND BUDGET AND 10:47:05 EXPLAIN THE NEED FOR RESET AND NEGOTIATED EXTENSIVELY WITH THE 10:47:10 OFFICE OF MANAGEMENT AND BUDGET AND REGRETTABLY THERE HAVE BEEN 10:47:13 CUTS MADE BY CONGRESS EVERY YEAR IN THE DEFENSE BUDGET AND HAVE 10:47:17 BEEN NOT ONLY REDUCTIONS IN OUR BUDGET THERE HAVE BEEN THINGS 10:47:20 THAT HAVE BEEN ADDED IN THAT WE DID NOT REQUEST THAT REPORT IS 10:47:23 TO TAKE MONEY FROM OTHER THINGS AND THIRD THERE HAVE BEEN THINGS 10:47:27 REQUIRED OF US THAT WE WERE PREVENTED FROM MAKING SAVINGS 10:47:31 AND THE NET EFFECT IF YOU LOOK JUST TODAY IN THE AUTHORIZATION 10:47:35 AND APPROPRIATION BILLS THE RUN SOMEWHERE BETWEEN 10, 15, $20 10:47:40 BILLION. >> SO THE WHITE HOUSE DID TURN 10:47:43 DOWN YOUR REQUEST? >> THAT WOULD NOT BE CORRECT. 10:47:48 >> YOU DID NOT ASK? >> I CANNOT SAY THAT BECAUSE WE 10:47:53 WENT THROUGH AN EXTENSIVE DISCUSSION AND NEGOTIATION AND 10:47:56 WE ENDED UP WITH A BUDGET WE ENDED UP WITH WHICH WAS THEN 10:47:59 REDUCED BY CONGRESS. >> LAST TUESDAY EVENING, THE 10:48:04 SENATE PASSED AN APPROPRIATION FOR $13 -- $13 BILLION. 10:48:11 IS IT A WASTE? >> IT IS CLEARLY NEEDED. 10:48:16 >> WHY DID YOU ASK FOR THAT CLEARLY NEEDED MONEY? 10:48:19 >> WE DID TALK TO THE WHITE HOUSE ABOUT IT AND THAT IS WHERE 10:48:21 THE NUMBER CAME FROM FROM THE DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE. 10:48:26 >> MR. SECRETARY WHAT YOU WERE SAYING HE'S EITHER DO WOULD ASK 10:48:29 FOR THE MONEY AND THEY SAID NO OR YOU ACCEPTED IN LIMIT DESPITE 10:48:33 THE NEEDS THAT YOU RECOGNIZE. IT IS ONE OR THE OTHER. 10:48:38 >> YOU HAVE LOST ME. >> I THINK YOU HAVE LOST 10:48:42 EVERYONE. >> FIRST WERE TALKING ABOUT $4.9 10:48:46 BILLION NOW WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE $13.1 BILLION, AND WE HAVE 10:48:51 REQUESTED THAT AND THEY HAVE REQUESTED OF CONGRESS AND 10:48:55 CONGRESS HAS PUT IT IN THE BILL AS I ENTER STAND IT. 10:48:59 >> WHEN DID YOU REQUEST THE $13 BILLION? 10:49:03 >> WITHIN THE LAST MONTHS, WEEKS. 10:49:06 >> WEEKS? >> WEEKS. 10:49:10 >> DAYS? WHAT DID YOU REQUEST THE $13 10:49:13 BILLION WHEN IT WAS BEING PREPARED TO BE SENT TO CONGRESS? 10:49:17 >> THE BUDGET WAS NOT BEEN PREPARED TO BE SENT TO CONGRESS, 10:49:20 IT WOULD HAVE BEEN JANUARY OF LAST YEAR FOR THE BUDGET THAT 10:49:26 HAS STILL NOT BEEN PASSED BY THE CONGRESS THIS YEAR. 10:49:30 FOR THE SUPPLEMENTAL IT WOULD HAVE BEEN LATE LAST YEAR AT THE 10:49:33 BEGINNING OF LAST YEAR BUT THE AND WHEN THOSE BUDGETS ARE 10:49:36 PREPARED. WE GAIN KNOWLEDGE EVERY MONTH 10:49:42 IT GOES BY AND IT IS CLEAR WE HAVE A RESET PROBLEM AND IT IS 10:49:44 ALSO CLEAR THAT THE $13 BILLION IS NEEDED. 10:49:48 >> IT IS QUITE CLEAR THAT TWO- THIRDS OF THE ACTIVE RESERVE IS 10:49:51 NOW REPORTING AS UNREADY. THERE'S NOT A SINGLE ON DEPLOYED 10:49:56 TEAM IN UNITED STATES THAT IS READY TOEPLOY 3 THE BOTTOM 10:50:00 LINE IS WE HAVE NO READY STRATEGIC RESERVE. 10:50:04 THIS IS A STUNNING INDICTMENT. >> I THINK IT IS AN INACCURATE 10:50:08 STATEMENT. >> HOW SO? 10:50:11 HAVE YOU SEEN THE REPORTS? >> I HAVE. 10:50:15 >> IT IS INACCURATE TO SAY THAT IT DOES NOT INDICATE SHOULD HEAR 10:50:19 -- SEVERE SHORTAGES? MANY BRIGADE'S NOT DEPLOYABLE? 10:50:25 >> ALLOW ME A FEW MINUTES TO RESPOND. 10:50:28 IT IS COMPLICATED. I STAND WITH WHAT I SAY. 10:50:32 THE CHARACTERIZATION THAT HE MADE IS NOT ACCURATE. 10:50:37 IT IS COMPLICATED. IF ONE SEES A CHART THAT SHOWS 10:50:41 THE DETERIORATION LIKE THIS OVER A FIVE, SIX, SEVEN, 10 YOUR 10:50:46 TIME -- YEAR PERIOD, IT SEEMS TO DETERIORATE. 10:50:56 IF YOU BEGIN WITH A STANDARD OF REQUIREMENT THAT IS EX AND THEN 10:51:01 YOU SHOW THE BEGINNING OF THE CHART AND THEN AT THE END YOU 10:51:04 HAVE CHANGED YOUR REQUIREMENT BECAUSE YOU HAVE DECIDED UNIQUE 10:51:07 DIFFERENT THINGS AND YOU HAVE LEARNED FROM THE EXPERIENCES OF 10:51:10 THE LAST YEARS AND YOU HAVE INCREASED REQUIREMENTS TO 10:51:17 5X SO IF YOU HAVE IMPROVED 300% YOU WERE AT 100% TO BEGAN AND I 10:51:24 YOU NEED 5X AND YOU HAVE IMPROVED 300% TO GET THERE, YOU 10:51:32 ARE STILL SHORT OF THAT REQUIREMENT AND THAT IS WHAT 10:51:35 SHOWS THE DETERIORATION. THE FACT IS THE EQUIPMENT THAT 10:51:38 THE MILITARY HAS TODAY IS VASTLY BETTER TODAY THAN IT WAS FIVE 10:51:42 YEARS AGO. THE READINESS OF OUR 10:51:45 CAPABILITIES IF YOU MEASURE THEM AGAINST FULL SPECTRUM YOU CAN 10:51:49 SAY THEY ARE NOT READY TO DO EVERYTHING THAT ANYONE 10:51:53 CONCEIVABLY MIGHT NEED TO DO. ON THETHER HAND, IF YOU ASK 10:51:56 THE READINESS OF THE FORCES TO WHAT THEY ARE ASKED TO DO, ARE 10:52:01 THEY CAPABLE OF DOING WHAT THEY'RE DOING? 10:52:04 EQUIPPED AND TRAINED? HE WILL TELL YOU YES. 10:52:07 IF YOU ASK THE GENERAL ON THE ARMED FORCES OF THE U.S. BETTER 10:52:11 TODAY, MORE CAPABLE, BETTER EQUIPPED THAN FIVE YEARS AGO? 10:52:15 HE WILL SAY YES. IF YOU ASK GENERAL PAYS THE 10:52:20 QUESTION, IS THE UNITED STATES TODAY CAPABLE OF FULFILLING THE 10:52:25 REQUIREMENTS THAT THIS COUNTRY HAS PUT ON THEM, THE ANSWER IS 10:52:29 YES. >> LET ME TAKE THAT OPPORTUNITY. 10:52:33 >> YOU ARE WAY OVER YOUR TIME. WE NEED TO ALLOW THE WITNESS TO 10:52:37 FULLY RESPOND TO YOUR QUESTION. WE WILL HAVE ANOTHER ROUND AND 10:52:43 YOU CAN PURSUE THIS AT THAT TIME. 10:52:46 I HAVE TO ACCOMMODATE OTHER MEMBERS. 10:52:48 BOURKE-WHITE A BIT OVER YOUR TIME. 10:52:51 AS THE WITNESS HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO FULLY RESPOND? 10:52:56 >> I HAVE. IT WOULD BE USEFUL IF THE 10:52:59 SENATORS LAST QUESTION -- >> MR. CHAIRMAN, WOULD YOU ALLOW 10:53:04 ME TO ASK MY QUESTION? >> WE HAVE ALLOWED YOU TO ASK 10:53:11 YOUR QUESTION FULLY. IT WAS STATED AND IT IS IN THE 10:53:14 RECORD. I THINK WITH CLARITY AND THE 10:53:18 SECRETARY HAS RESPONDED. WE WILL HAVE A SECOND NOW AT 10:53:21 WHICH TIME WE CAN FURTHER PURSUE THIS. 10:53:28 NOW, THE SECRETARY HAS ASKED THE GENERAL TO GIVE HIS PERSPECTIVE. 10:53:34 >> MR. CHAIRMAN, IF ON CUE. -- THANK YOU. 10:53:41 READINESS IS REFLECTED IN TRAINING AND EQUIPMENT AND 10:53:44 PERSONNEL. ANYTIME A UNIT COMES BACK FROM 10:53:48 ANY DEPLOYMENT, WHEN I WAS BAALION COMMANDER, THE UNIT AS 10:53:52 PEOPLE WHO CHANGE OUT AND THEREFORE THE PERSONNEL NUMBERS 10:53:57 GO DOWN IN THE TRAINING AS A RESULT OF PEOPLE COMING BACK 10:54:01 STARTS OUT A NEW INTO THE NEW CYCLE AND EQUIPMENT IS TAKEN 10:54:06 FROM WHAT HAS BEEN USED AND PUT INTO MAINTENANCE. 10:54:09 THAT IS NORMAL PEACETIME. IN WARTIME, WE'RE USING THE 10:54:14 EQUIPMENT AT MUCH GREATER RATES. SO YOU HAVE A UNIT THAT HAS 100 10:54:22 TRUCKS AND THEY DEPLOY AND THEY COME BACK. 10:54:24 AND THE TRUCKS NORMALLY WILL BE DRIVEN 1,000 MILES A YEAR AND 10:54:30 10,000 MILES IN COMBAT. YOU HAVE A LARGER NUMBER OF 10:54:33 THOSE VEHICLES THAT END UP BEING PUT INTO MAINTENANCE WHICH FOR 10:54:39 THE UNIT THAT IS HOME IN REDUCES THEIR READINESS BASED ON 10:54:44 AVAILABILITY OF EQUIPMENT. THE UNITS THAT ARE FORWARD HAVE 10:54:49 NOT ONLY THE EQUIPMENT THAT THEY WENT OVER WITH BUT AUGMENTED 10:54:53 THINKS TO THE CONGRESS PROVIDING THE FUNDING. 10:54:57 FOR EXAMPLE, ARE HUMVEES -- OUR HUMVEES. 10:55:04 IN SEPTEMBER OF 2001 IT WAS ABOUT 2000. 10:55:07 THAT NUMBER NOW IS UP AT 12,000. WE HAVE BOUGHT UP TO THOSE 10:55:14 12,000 AND WE HAVE USED THEM IN COMBAT AND NOW A NUMBER OF 10:55:18 THOSE 12,000 ARE CURRENTLY IN MAINTENANCE WAITING. 10:55:22 WE ARE WAY OVER THE 2000 RESTARTED TO BEGIN WITH BUT NOW 10:55:25 BECAUSE OF MAINTENANCE USAGE AND COMBAT LOSSES WE ARE BELOW THE 10:55:32 12,000 FOLKS ARE ASKING FOR TODAY. 10:55:34 IT IS DIFFICULT WHEN YOU TURN THE KALEIDOSCOPE TO SEE ALL THE 10:55:37 PIECES AND IT DOES NOT ALLOW ITSELF TO HAVE A STRAIGHT, IT 10:55:42 EASY ANSWER. FUNDAMENTALLY, THE UNITED STATES 10:55:45 ARMY IS MUCH MORE CAPABLE TODAY. FUNDAMENTALLY, THE ARMY THAT IS 10:55:50 FIGHTING OUR FORCE TODAY IS IN TREMENDOUS SHAPE. 10:55:55 PERSONNEL, TRAINING, AND EQUIPMENT. 10:55:58 IT IS ABSOLUTELY IN FACT THAT FOR VARIOUS BUDGETARY REASONS, 10:56:02 SOME OF WHICH ARE RESULT OF ACTIONS TAKEN BY THE CONGRESS, 10:56:05 THAT WE DO NOT HAVE ENOUGH FUNDING CURRENTLY TO PROVIDE 10:56:11 FOR THE REPAIR OF ALL OF THE EQUIPMENT THAT CURRENTLY SITS AT 10:56:16 OUR DEPOTS WAITING TO BE REPAIRED. 10:56:22 THAT IS THE DIALOGUE ABOUT HOW MUCH MONEY IS NEEDED, AND $13.1 10:56:27 BILLION, IF APPROVED BY CONGRESS, IT WILL ALLOW THE 10:56:30 MARINE CORPS AND THE ARMY TO TAKE THE EQUIPMENT THAT IS 10:56:33 CURRENTLY STACKED UP AT THEIR DEPOTS AND HARD WORK FORCE AND 10:56:37 BEGIN THE PROCESS. WHAT THIS HAPPENED -- SOME OF 10:56:45 THE WORK FORCE HAS HAD TO BE LET GO. 10:56:48 AND WE CANNOT HAVE THE DEPOTS NOT KNOW WHETHER OR NOT THEY ARE 10:56:55 GOING TO BE ABLE TO HAVE THE FUNDING LONG-TERM TO HIRE 10:56:59 PEOPLE. WE CANNOT HIRE A MECHANIC FOR 10:57:01 SIX MONTHS AND THEN LET HIM GO AND THEN HIRE HIM BACK AGAIN. 10:57:05 I WOULD ASK THAT WE LOOK AT SOME KIND OF FUNDING THAT IS FOCUSED 10:57:10 ON THE BACKLOG OF EQUIPMENT REPAIR THAT WILL ALLOW THE 10:57:13 DEPOTS TO CONSCIOUSLY GO OUT AND HIRE PEOPLE WHO CAN STAY IN THE 10:57:18 WORKFORCE LONG ENOUGH TO GET THIS WORK DONE. 10:57:20 THANK YOU. >> TO READ IS AN IMPORTANT 10:57:24 QUESTION. MR. SECRETARY, I'M GOING TO GET 10:57:30 DOCUMENTATION THAT I LOOKED OUT FOR YOU DID ENGAGE ABOUT THE 10:57:35 NEED FOR THESE FUNDS. I THINK THAT DOCUMENTATION WILL 10:57:39 BE PUT IN THIS. BEFORE YOU BEGAN, SENATOR, WE 10:57:45 HAVE TO BACK-TO-BACK VOTES. IT IS MY ATTENTION TO VOTE 10:57:49 QUICKLY AND SENATOR MCCAIN I'M GOING TO BE ABSENT. 10:57:57 WE WILL KEEP THE HEARING GOING, COLLEAGUES, AS MEMBERS COME AND 10:58:01 GO ON THESE BOATS. >> THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN, I DO 10:58:07 WANT TO THANK YOU FOR GIVING THE GENERAL THE OPPORTUNITY TO 10:58:12 RESPOND TO THAT QUESTION. AN EXCELLENT RESPONSE. 10:58:19 LET ME MAKE A COUPLE OF OBSERVATIONS. 10:58:23 I FIND IT REALLY INTERESTING, I THINK MOST OF THE MEMBERS OF 10:58:27 THIS COMMITTEE HAVE BEEN TO IRAQ A NUMBER OF TIMES. 10:58:33 SEVERAL WHO HAVE NOT BEEN OF ALL. 10:58:35 AND WHEN YOU GET THE REACTION, THE RESPONSE AND OPINIONS 10:58:38 FORMULATED BY THOSE WHO HAVE NOT BEEN THERE, IT IS TOTALLY 10:58:41 DIFFERENT THAN THOSE WHO HAVE REALLY BEEN THERE AND 10:58:44 UNDERSTAND FIRSTHAND WHAT IS GOING ON. 10:58:47 THERE IS NO BETTER EXAMPLE OF DEATH IN AN ARTICLE THAT WAS IN 10:58:50 THE PAPER IN USA TODAY THAT SAID THAT ONLY, WITHOUT QUOTING 10:58:56 A SOURCE, OF THE 18 PROVINCES ONLY ONE WAS ABLE TO BE SECURED 10:59:04 JUST WITH THE IRAQIS. ON THE OTHER HAND, A DOCTOR 11:00:00 HUSSEIN AND HE HATED AMERICANS. 11:00:02 UNTIL HE STARTED EMBEDDED TRAINING WITH MARINES AND HE 11:00:06 SAID WHEN HE ROTATED HIM OUT HE CRIED. 11:00:10 HE DID NOT RENAME THE IRAQI SECURITY FORCES AT FALLUJAH THE 11:00:16 FALLUJAH MARINES. . 11:00:51 BUT WHEN YOU SIT DOWN AND SPEND QUALITY TIME WITH THEM YOU GET A 11:00:56 DIFFERENT IMPRESSION THAT YOU DO LOOKING AT THE MEDIA HERE. 11:01:01 . GENERAL PACE SAID, AND I WOULD 11:01:09 LIKE GENERAL ABIZAID MAY BE TO RESPOND TO THIS, HE SAID AT THAT 11:01:15 TIME OF THOSE 36 BRIGADES, 17 -- THE IRAQI BRIGADES -- 17 WORK AT 11:01:21 LEVEL 2, CAPABLE OF OF THOMAS CARPER RATIONS, AND OF THE 112 11:01:27 BATTALIONS, 62 WERE AT LEVEL 2. THIS IS TWO MONTHS AGO. 11:01:32 DO YOU AGREE WITH HIS ASSESSMENT AT THAT TIME THAT THOSE WHO ARE 11:01:38 TRAINED AND EQUIPPING IRAQI SECURITY FORCES, AND HAS THAT 11:01:43 CHANGED IN THE LAST TWO MONTHS? >> I THINK THE BEST WAY TO 11:01:48 CHARACTERIZE WHERE THE IRAQIS ARE DOING MORE HAS TO DO WITH 11:01:53 UNITS THAT ARE IN THE LEAD IN THE SECURITY STRUCTURE IN 11:01:58 WHATEVER AREA THAT HAS BEEN ASSIGNED. 11:02:02 IN OCTOBER OF 2004, ONE DIVISION, FOR BRIGADES -- 11:02:24 I THINK IT IS IMPORTANT FOR PEOPLE TO UNDERSTAND THAT WHILE 11:02:29 THERE ARE WARNING SIGNALS ABOUT SECTARIAN VIOLENCE, THE MOST 11:02:34 IMPORTANT THAT WE HAVE TO KEEP IN MIND IS THAT THE ARMY IS 11:02:39 HOLDING TOGETHER A AND THE GOVERNMENT IS COMMITTED TO 11:02:44 BRINGING THE SECTARIAN VIOLENCE UNDER CONTROL. 11:02:49 SO THE QUESTION IS, AM I OPTIMISTIC WHETHER OR NOT IRAQI 11:02:54 FORCES WITH OUR SUPPORT AND WITH THE BACKING OF THE WRECKING 11:02:59 GOVERNMENT -- >> I HAVE TO SAY THAT I WAS 11:03:12 INCREDIBLY IMPRESSED. WE ALL ARE FAMILIAR WITH 11:03:54 THE IRAQI SOLDIERS ARE FIGHTING, TAKING CASUALTIES, 11:03:59 FIGHTING FOR THEIR NATION AND TRYING TO GET SOME -- SECTARIAN 11:04:04 VIOLENCE IN THE INSURGENCY UNDER CONTROL AND THEY DESERVE AN 11:04:09 ENORMOUS ABOUT -- AMOUNT OF OUR RESPECT AND SUPPORT. 11:04:14 SOMETIMES WE SEEM TO THINK WE ARE THE ONLY FORCES THERE. 11:04:19 WE ARE NOT. THERE ARE OVER 20 20,000 IRAQIS 11:04:23 OUT THERE FIGHTING AND DOING A PRETTY GOOD JOB. 11:04:28 THERE ARE SOME PROBLEMS IN THE ORGANIZATIONS BUT THEY ARE 11:04:33 MATURING AND ARE DOING BETTER. >> AND THEY ARE COMMITTED. 11:04:38 I HAPPEN TO BE IN THE HOMETOWN OF SADDAM HUSSEIN WHEN THE 11:04:43 TRAINING AREA WAS BOMBED BY THE TERRORISTS -- ABOUT 40 OF THEM 11:04:48 WERE EITHER KILLED OR INJURED. THOSE 40 FAMILIES RESUPPLIED A 11:04:53 MEMBER OF THEIR FAMILY TO REPLACE THE ONE THAT WAS KILLED. 11:04:58 I KNOW MY TIME IS EXPIRED, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO ASK THEM TO GIVE 11:05:04 US SOME INFORMATION. I KNOW THE ORGANIZATIONAL 11:05:18 STRUCTURE OF SIMPLE EQUIPMENT AND SUPPLIES IS NOT THERE, BUT I 11:05:23 WANT TO KNOW WHAT YOU'RE DOING TO CORRECT A LOGISTICAL 11:05:28 PROBLEMS. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. 11:05:31 >> SENATOR BEN NELSON? >> THANK YOU, GENTLEMEN, FOR 11:05:36 BEING HERE TODAY. I SINK YOUR TESTIMONY RESPONSE 11:05:41 TO QUESTIONS HAS BEEN VERY HELPFUL. 11:05:44 IN CONNECTION WITH THE NUMBER OF IRAQI TROOPS THAT ARE COMBAT 11:05:50 CAPABLE, OUT OF THE OVER 250,000 SECURITY FORCES THAT ARE THERE, 11:05:55 ARE THERE ANY ESTIMATE OF THE NUMBER THAT WOULD BE COMBAT 11:06:00 CAPABLE? >> SENATOR, FOR THE RECORD, THE 11:06:04 NUMBER OF TRAINED IRAQI POLICE, SECURITY AND IRAQI MILITARY 11:06:10 FORCES, THE NUMBER IS CLOSER TO 275,000. 11:06:15 THE CAPABILITY WAS IN THE ARMY, I THINK AGAIN THE BEST MEASURE 11:06:20 OF THOSE UNITS THAT ARE IN AT THE LEAD, WHICH ARE SORT 11:06:25 DIVISIONS, 21 BRIGADES, AND 77 BATTALIONS, BUT THERE IS A VERY 11:06:31 DETAILED LIST OF WHAT UNIT IS AT WHAT LEVEL THAT WE CAN CERTAINLY 11:06:36 PROVIDE TO YOU. >> THAT WOULD BE VERY HELPFUL. 11:06:41 >> THEY ARE MUCH IMPROVED AND THEY CONTINUE TO IMPROVE. 11:06:46 >> WHICH IS PART OF THE EMPHASIS OF STANDING THERE A MILITARY UP 11:06:51 SO WE CAN STAD HOURS DOWN. THE MORE CAPABLE THEY ARE, 11:06:56 HOPEFULLY THERE SHOULD BE A CONNECTION WITH THE REDUCTION OF 11:07:01 OUR FORCES. IN TERMS OF THE POLICE, LET'S 11:07:05 SAY THE MUNICIPAL POLICE, DO WE KNOW WHAT PERCENTAGE FOR WHAT 11:07:11 NUMBER OF THE TOTAL NUMBER YOU WOULD LOOK AT AS BEING NOT ONLY 11:07:16 CAPABLE THE TRAINED BUT HONEST AND AS PART OF THE OVERALL 11:07:21 GOVERNMENT AS OPPOSED TO A MILITIA? 11:07:25 >> IT IS A DIFFICULT QUESTION TO ANSWER. 11:07:30 THERE ARE SOME PLACES WHERE THE LOCAL POLICE ARE EXCEPTIONALLY 11:07:35 EAST ASIAN AND VERY HONEST AND VERY CAPABLE. 11:07:39 THERE ARE OTHER AREAS WHERE WE KNOW THAT THEY HAVE BEEN 11:07:44 INFILTRATED BY VARIOUS MILITIAS SUCH AS IN WHERE THE FORCES ARE 11:07:49 DOING THEIR BEST TO STAND DOWN THOSE UNITS ON LINE IN THE -- 11:07:55 CAPABLE MANNER. AS FAR AS NATIONAL POLICE FORCE 11:07:59 IS OUR CONCERN BASRA, IN BAD THAT IT IS CLEAR THERE ARE A 11:08:04 NUMBER OF BATTALIONS -- AGAIN, WITHOUT MY NOTES IN FRONT TO ME 11:08:09 -- THERE ARE A NUMBER OF BATTALIONS THAT NEED TO BE STOOD 11:08:14 DOWN AND RETRAINED, AND THEY ARE WORKING TO DO THAT NOW. 11:08:19 >> TO KNOW IF IT IS 50% OR 30 PERCENT? 11:08:23 >> THAT IS NATIONAL POLICE WHICH IS SEPARATE AND DISTINCT FROM 11:08:29 MUNICIPAL. >> I THINK THE DEBATE ABOUT 11:08:33 WHETHER WE HAVE A DATE FOR WITHDRAWAL, WHETHER THERE IS AN 11:08:38 OPEN-ENDED COMMITMENTS, HOPEFULLY THE DEBATE WILL 11:08:42 CONTINUE BUT I WONDER ABOUT AN APPROACH THAT IS DIFFERENT THAN 11:08:48 SETTING A DATE FOR WITHDRAWAL AND TO CLOSE ANY QUESTION ABOUT 11:08:53 WHETHER IT IS AN OPEN ENDED EQUIPMENT WOULD BE BETTER 11:08:58 APPROACHED FORT SETTING CONDITIONS FOR STAYING WITH THE 11:09:02 PRIME MINISTER WITH THE IRAQI GOVERNMENT. 11:09:07 IN OTHER WORDS, THERE IS A LOT OF SLIPPING AS TO HOW WE HAVE 11:09:12 STANDING UP AND STANDING DOWN FROM OUR MILITARY VERSUS THEIR 11:09:17 MILITARY BECAUSE THINGS CHANGE. BUT WE DO HAVE -- DO WE HAVE AN 11:09:22 IDEA OF WHAT THE STAYING CONDITIONS ARE? 11:09:26 THE TIPPING POINT IS THEIR ABILITY OR INABILITY TO GET TO A 11:09:32 CERTAIN LEVEL? THE ABILITY TO GOVERN -- GOVERN 11:09:36 THEMSELVES AS WELL AS SECURE THEMSELVES? 11:09:40 I GUESS I WOULD FEEL MORE COMFORTABLE IF WE CAN ESTABLISH 11:09:45 SOME SORT OF METRICS TO KNOW WHAT IT TAKES IN TERMS OF 11:09:50 PERCENTAGE, NUMBERS, AND WHAT IT WOULD TAKE IN TERMS OF TIME SO 11:09:55 THAT WE CAN SAY THAT THEY ARE CAPABLE OF NOT ONLY GOVERNING 11:10:00 THEMSELVES WITH THE ELECTED GOVERNMENT BUT ALSO IN TERMS OF 11:10:06 SECURING THEMSELVES SO THEY CAN GOVERN THEMSELVES. 11:10:10 I DO NOT KNOW WHO WOULD LIKE TO TAKE THAT QUESTION, BUT I THROW 11:10:16 IT OUT TO ALL THREE OF YOU. >> SENATOR, THE GOVERNMENT HAS 11:10:21 BEEN IN EXISTENCE NOW FORCE THREE MONTHS. 11:10:25 THEY HAVE A LOT OF WORK TO DO TO CEMENT THEIR CAPABILITY, IT IS A 11:10:30 DIFFICULT THING TO DO WITH SECTARIAN VIOLENCE AND 11:10:35 INSURGENTS. I THINK IT IS VERY IMPORTANT FOR 11:10:39 PEOPLE TO UNDERSTAND THAT WHILE THERE MAY BE A MILITARY METRIC 11:10:44 TO UNITS IN THE IRAQI ARMY BETTER EQUIPPED AND TRAINED AND 11:10:49 THEN TAKEN OVER BATTLE SPACE, THERE IS ALSO AN IMPORTANT 11:10:54 POLITICAL ASPECT TO THIS REDUCTION OF SECTARIAN VIOLENCE 11:10:59 WHICH IS THE VARIOUS COMMUNITIES GETTING TOGETHER AND AGREEING 11:11:05 UPON WAYS TO REDUCE SECTARIAN VIOLENCE THEMSELVES. 11:11:09 IT IS IMPORTANT THAT THERE BE A NATIONAL RECONCILIATION EFFORT 11:11:15 AND IT IS IMPORTANT THAT THERE BE AGREED UPON MEASURES TO MOVE 11:11:20 FORWARD WITH VERY SMALL BUSHELS -- MILITIAS OPERATING OUTSIDE 11:11:25 THE GOVERNMENT. I THINK THE COMBINATON WILL 11:11:29 LEAD TO LESS VIOLENCE, ESTABLISHED THE ROLE OF THE 11:11:34 NATIONAL GOVERNMENT IN IRAQ AND ALLOW US TO BRING OUR LEVEL OF 11:11:39 FORCE IS DOWN AS APPROPRIATE. >> SENATOR NELSON, I JUST ADD 11:11:44 THAT THE U.S. AMBASSADOR AND GENERAL KASEY HAVE ESTABLISHED A 11:11:50 COMMITTEE WITH THE NEW IRAQI GOVERNMENT AND THE NATIONAL 11:11:55 SECURITY OFFICIALS IN THAT GOVERNMENT TO ADDRESS THE VERY 11:12:00 ISSUES YOU ARE RAISING AS TO WHAT ARE THE THINGS THAT NEED TO 11:12:05 BE DONE. AS GENERAL ABIZAID DIRECTLY -- 11:12:09 POINTED OUT, IT IS WELL BEYOND THE MILITARY. 11:12:13 >> THANK YOU FOR YOUR ANSWERS. >> SANK, MR. IRVING CHAIRMAN. 11:12:18 MR. SECRETARY, THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE AND FOR YOUR 11:12:23 RESPONSES. I TALKED TO A SOLDIER LAST WEEK 11:12:27 WHO HAS HAD TO DEPLOYMENTS TO IRAQ, AND RAISED A QUESTION 11:12:32 ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT ARE THE OBJECTIVES AND GOALS THAT WE 11:12:37 HAVE IN IRAQ ARE ALIGNED WITH THE GOALS THAT THE IRAQI PEOPLE 11:12:43 HAVE. AND IT SEEMS TO ME IF WE ARE 11:12:46 GOING TO GET CONTROL OF THE SECTARIAN SITUATION THE IRAQI 11:12:51 PEOPLE HAVE TO BUY INTO WHAT IS HAPPENING IN IRAQ. 11:12:56 HIS SUGGESTION WAS THAT THEY HAVE NOT. 11:13:00 I WAS THERE A COUPLE OF MONTHS BACK WITH THE DELEGATION WITH 11:13:05 SENATOR MCCAIN, WE HEAR FROM OBVIOUSLY THE COMMANDERS AND OUR 11:13:10 TROOPS, AND IN MOST CASES WE DID NOT HAVE A LOT OF INTERACTION 11:13:16 WITH IRAQI PEOPLE. BUT I WAS WONDERING IF YOU CAN 11:13:20 TALK ABOUT THE INTERACTION THAT WE HAVE WITH THE IRAQI PEOPLE, 11:13:26 THE TROOPS ON THE GROUND OVER THERE, THE TEMPERATURE IN TERMS 11:13:31 OF THEIR WILLINGNESS TO BE PART OF A NATIONAL UNITY GOVERNMENT, 11:13:36 A DEMOCRATIC IRAQ AND THAT SORT OF THING RELATIVE TO WHAT WE'RE 11:13:42 TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH. THIS IS ONE SOLDIER WHO SAYS HE 11:13:46 VISITS WITH THEM OVER TIME AND SAYS THERE GOALS ARE NOT ALIGNED 11:13:52 WITH OURS. >> THERE ARE CERTAINLY PEOPLE IN 11:13:56 IRAQ WHO DO NOT WANT THE COUNTRY TO COME TOGETHER AS AN 11:14:01 INDEPENDENT STATE. THERE ARE TERRORIST GROUPS THAT 11:14:06 WANT IRAQ TO DESCEND INTO ANARCHY AND CHAOS SO THEY CAN 11:14:10 ESTABLISH SAFE HAVENS FOR TERRORISTS. 11:14:14 BUT I THINK AS I GO AROUND AND TALK TO OFFICERS AND GOVERNMENT 11:14:20 OFFICIALS AND PEOPLE SORT OUT WHAT COUNTRY, AND I THINK THE 11:14:25 GENERAL WILL ECHO THIS, THE MAJORITY WANT IRAQ TO COME 11:14:30 TOGETHER AS A FREE AND INDEPENDENT NATION CAPABLE OF 11:14:34 BEING A MEANINGFUL MEMBER -- MEMBER OF THE COMMUNITY OF 11:14:39 NATIONS IN THAT PART OF THE WORLD NOT DOMINATED BY IRANIANS 11:14:44 OR SUNNI EXTREMISTS GROUPS. I KNOW THEY HAVE TO FIGHT TO 11:14:49 ACHIEVE THAT. >> IT IS NOT SURPRISING, 11:14:53 SENATOR, THAT AN AMERICAN SOLDIER WOULD VISIT WITH THE 11:14:58 IRAQIS AND SEE THAT THEY DO HAVE A DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVE. 11:15:03 THEY HAVE A DFFERENT HISTORY AND IS FULLY UNDERSTANDABLE. 11:15:08 ON THE OTHER HAND, 12 MILLION OF THEM WENT OUT AND VOTED AND 11:15:13 FASHIONED A CONSTITUTION AND RATIFIED IT. 11:15:18 IT IS THERE FOR THE WORLD TO SEE, AND THEY HAVE BEEN VOTING 11:15:23 IN INCREASING NUMBERS. GENERAL ABIZAID IS CERTAINLY 11:15:27 RIGHT THAT THERE ARE SOME WHO WANT TO TAKE BACK THE COUNTRY, 11:15:33 AND THOSE WHO WANT TO DOMINATE IT TO THE DETRIMENT OF THE 11:15:38 SUNNIS, BUT THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS THAT 12,000,001 OUT 11:15:43 AND VOTED FOR THAT CONSTITUTION, AND THAT IS SOMETHING IMPORTANT. 11:15:48 >> I APPRECIATE YOUR COMMENT THAT I HEARD YOU MAKE PREVIOUSLY 11:15:53 AS WELL THAT THE FORCES WHO WANT TO HOLD TO -- THE COUNTRY 11:15:58 TOGETHER ARE GREATER THAN THOSE WHO WANT TO SEE IT FAIL. 11:16:03 BUT I JUST WANTED TO GET YOUR ASSESSMENT OF THE GROUND, 11:16:08 AVERAGE IRAQI ON THE STREET VIEW OF WHAT IS HAPPENING THERE 11:16:13 BECAUSE IT SEEMS TO ME AT LEAST THAT THAT IS A KEY COMPONENT IN 11:16:19 THE STARTING TO TURN OVER INFORMATION ON SOME OF THE BAD 11:16:24 GUYS THAT ARE COMMITTING THE VIOLENCE. 11:16:28 ONE OTHER QUESTION HAS TO DO IT AGAIN WITH THE BORDERS AND HOW 11:16:33 ARE WE DOING WITH RESPECT TO IRAN AND SYRIA, THE FOREIGN ARMS 11:16:38 THAT SERVE AS THE LIFEBLOOD TO THE INSURGENT GROUPS. 11:16:43 ARE THE IRAQIS SEEING THAT AS A SIRET TO SOVEREIGNTY AND ARE 11:16:48 THEY DOING THE WORK TO PROTECT THE BORDERS AND MAKING SURE THAT 11:16:53 THE ARMS THAT ARE COMING IN ARE BEING CUT OFF. 11:16:58 I'D ASK QUESTIONS ABOUT IBM IMPROVISED EXPLOSIVE DEVICES, 11:17:03 AND HOW THEY GET MATERIALS TO MAKE THEM AND IT SEEMS LIKE IT'S 11:17:08 COMING FROM THESE OTHER COUNTRIES. 11:17:12 I KNOW IT IS IMPOSSIBLE WITH THE LENGTH OF THE BORDERS TO 11:17:17 COMPLETELY SHUT IT OFF, BUT ARE THERE MEASURES BEING TAKEN TO 11:17:22 REGULATE WHAT IS COMING IN? >> YES, SENATOR. 11:17:27 THERE IS A BORDER FORCE AFFECTED AND SOME AREAS, AND LESS 11:17:32 EFFECTIVE IN OTHERS. THE SYRIAN BORDER REMAINS THE 11:17:36 PRIMARY CONDUIT FOR FOREIGN FIGHTERS. 11:17:40 I THINK THE NUMBERS REMAIN AT LESS THAN 100 THAT ARE 11:17:45 TRANSITING BACK AND FORTH. DEMOLITIONS -- THE MUNITIONS 11:17:50 USED INSIDE IRAQ COME FROM IRAQ. THERE ARE SMUGGLING GROUPS THAT 11:17:55 IRANIAN REVOLUTIONARY GUARD PEOPLE ARE USING TO BRING IN 11:18:00 INTERNET -- IMPROVISED EXPLOSIVE DEVICES IN THE SOUTH. 11:18:05 IT IS CLEAR THAT HAT HAS TAKEN PLACE. 11:18:09 > THOSE WEAPONS THAT WERE DISCOVERED, HASN'T BEEN 11:18:14 DETERMINED THAT THOSE ARE LEFTOVERS FROM THE PREVIOUS 11:18:19 REGIME OF THOSE FLOODED IN FROM OTHER COUNTRIES? 11:18:23 >> I WOULD HAVE TO SEE THE SPECIFC REPORT. 11:18:27 THERE ARE WEAPONS FOUND EVERY DAY. 11:18:31 >> WE HAVE HAD 420,000 TONS OF MUNITIONS CAPTURED AND DESTROYED 11:18:37 IN SOME OF 14,000 LOCATIONS. SO IT IS A HUGE LOCATION THAT WE 11:18:42 FIND IT EVERYDAY. > THANK YOU. 11:18:45 AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR OUTSTANDING SERVICE TO YOUR 11:18:50 COUNTRY. MR. CHAIRMAN, I YIELD BACK. 11:18:54 >> SENATOR CLINTON? >> SANK YOU VERY MUCH, SENATOR 11:18:59 MCCAIN. MR. SECRETARY, I AM GLAD YOU ARE 11:19:03 HERE. IN YOUR OPENING STATEMENT YOU 11:19:07 REFERENCE THE COMMON SENSE OF AMERICANS. 11:19:11 I SINK IT IS FAIR TO SAY IT THE COLLECTIVE COMMON SENSE 11:19:16 OVERWHELMINGLY THIS NOT EITHER UNDERSTAND OR APPROVE OF THE WAY 11:19:21 YOU OR THE ADMINISTRATION ARE HANDLING IRAQ AND AFGHANISTAN. 11:19:26 UNDER YOUR LEADERSHIP THERE HAVE BEEN ERRORS IN JUDGMENT THAT 11:19:31 HAVE LED US WHERE WE ARE IN IRAQ AND AFGHANISTAN. 11:19:36 WE HAVE A FULL-FLEDGED INSURGENCY AND SECTARIAN 11:19:40 CONFLICT IN IRAQ. WHETHER YOU LABEL IT A CIVIL WAR 11:19:45 OR NOT, -- IT HAS CREATED A SITUATION OF EXTREME VIOLENCE 11:19:50 AND LOSS OF LIFE AMONG OUR TROOPS AND THE IRAQIS. 11:19:55 WE DID NOT GO INTO IRAQ WITH ENOUGH TROOPS TO ESTABLISH LAW 11:20:00 AND ORDER. HE DISBANDED THE ENTIRE IRAQI 11:20:04 ARMY, NOW TRYING TO RECREATE IT. DID NOT DO ENOUGH PLANNING FOR 11:20:09 PHASE 4 AND REJECTED ALL THE PLANNING THAT HAD BEEN DONE 11:20:14 PREVIOUSLY TO MAINTAIN STABILITY AFTER THE REGIME WAS OVERTHROWN. 11:20:20 NEW UNDERESTIMATED THE NATURE AND STRENGTH OF THIS INSURGENCY, 11:20:25 SECTARIAN VIOLENCE, AND SPREAD OF IRANIAN INFLUENCE. 11:20:30 LAST YEAR CONGRESS PASSED THE UNITED STATES POLICY IN IRAQ ACT 11:20:35 THAT I SUPPORTED. IT DECLARES 2006 TO BE A YEAR OF 11:20:40 SIGNIFICANT TRANSITION TO FULL IRAQI SOVEREIGNTY WITH IRAQI 11:20:45 SECURITY FORCES TAKING THE LEAD IN THE SECURITY OF A FREE AND 11:20:50 SOVEREIGN IRAQ, CREATING CONDITIONS FOR THE PHASE 11:20:54 REDEPLOYMENT. HOWEVER WE APPEAR TO BE MOVING 11:20:59 IN THE OPPOSITE DIRECTION. THE NUMBER OF U.S. TROOPS IN 11:21:04 IRAQ ARE SCHEDULED TO INCREASE, AND NOT DECREASE, AND THAT IS 11:21:09 THE ONLY WAY I THINK YOU CAN FAIRLY CONSIDER THE DECISION 11:21:14 WITH RESPECT TO THE 172ND STRIKER BRIGADE. 11:21:18 MR. SECRETARY, AS WE RETURNED TO OUR STATES BEFORE THE AUGUST 11:21:23 RECESS, CONSTITUENTS HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT THE CURRENT 11:21:28 STATE OF AFFAIRS. I DO NOT NEED TO REMIND ANY OF 11:21:33 US THAT WE CONTINUE TO LOSE OUR YOUNG MEN AND WOMEN, 120 FROM 11:21:38 NEW YORK ALONE. BESIDE THE U.S. LOSSES, OF 11:21:42 VIOLENCE DOES SEEM TO BE INCREASING. 11:21:46 FROM JANUARY TO JUNE THERE WERE OVER 14,000 IRAQI CIVILIAN 11:21:51 CASUALTIES, AT LEAST AS FAR AS ANYONE CAN COUNT. 11:21:56 IN A JULY 22 ARTICLE IN THE NEW YORK TIMES JOURNAL OF THE SEA 11:22:01 WAS QUOTED AS SAYING -- TWO MONTHS AFTER THE IRAQI 11:22:06 GOVERNMENT HAS TAKEN OFFICE, THE SECURITY GAINS HAVE NOT BEEN 11:22:11 ACHIEVED. THEN THERE WAS THE BIG 11:22:14 ANNOUNCEMENT ABOUT THE COMMITMENT OF THE NEW IRAQI 11:22:19 GOVERNMENT TO SECURE BAGHDAD. TWO MONTHS INTO THAT IT IS CLEAR 11:22:24 IT IS NOT WORKING AND WE ARE NOW PUTTING IN MORE AMERICAN TROOPS, 11:22:30 AND FOLLOWING THE LEAD OF SENATOR MCCAIN, REMOVING THEM 11:22:35 FROM OTHER PLACES THAT ARE HARDLY STABLE AND SECURE. 11:22:39 IN AFGHANISTAN YOUR ADMINISTRATION'S CREDIBILITY IS 11:22:44 ALSO SUSPECT. IN DECEMBER 2002 YOU SAID THE 11:22:48 TALIBAN WAS GONE, INTO OUT -- THE PRESIDENT ALSO SAID IT IS NO 11:22:54 LONGER IN EXISTENCE. IN 2005 ATTACKS BY THE CALIBAN 11:22:58 AND OTHER ANTI COALITION FORCES WERE UP 20%, AND THESE 11:23:03 INSURGENTS WERE A GREATER THREAT TO THE AFGHAN GOVERNMENT EFFORTS 11:23:09 TO EXPAND ITS AUTHORITY SINCE ANY TIME SINCE 2001. 11:23:13 FURTHER, GENERAL EIKENBERRY MADE A COMMENT ABOUT THE DANGERS THAT 11:23:19 ARE NOW OF GOING ON IN AFGHANISTAN AND THE FAILURE TO 11:23:24 BE ABLE TO SECURE IT. OBVIOUSLY I COULD GO ON AND ON. 11:23:28 IN A RECENT BOOK APTLY TITLED FIASCO DESCRIBES IN SOME DETAIL 11:23:34 THE DECISION MAKING APPARATUS THAT HAS LED US TO THIS 11:23:38 SITUATION. SO, MR. SECRETARY, WHEN OUR 11:23:42 CONSTITUENTS ASK FOR EVIDENCE THAT YOUR POLICY IN IRAQ AND 11:23:48 AFGHANISTAN WILL BE SUCCESSFUL, YOU DO NOT LEAVE US WITH MUCH TO 11:23:53 TALK ABOUT. YES, WE HEAR ABOUT HAPPY TALK 11:23:57 AND ROSY SCENARIOS, BECAUSE OF THE ADMINISTRATION IS STRATEGIC 11:24:02 BLUNDERS AND FRANKLY THE RECORD OF INCOMPETENCE IN EXECUTING, 11:24:08 YOU ARE PRESIDING OVER A FAILED POLICY. 11:24:12 GIVEN YOUR TRACK RECORD, SECRETARY OF RUMSFELD, WHY 11:24:16 SHOULD WE BELIEVE YOUR ASSURANCES NOW? 11:24:20 >> MY GOODNESS. FIRST, -- I TRIED TO MAKE NOTES 11:24:25 AND FOLLOW THE PREPARED STATEMENT SAID YOU HAVE 11:24:29 PRESENTED. FIRST OF ALL, IT IS TRUE THAT 11:24:33 THERE IS SECTARIAN STRIFE IN IRAQ AND IT IS A LOSS OF LIFE 11:24:38 AND IT IS UNFORTUNATE AND TRAGIC THAT THIS HAS TAKEN PLACE. 11:24:44 IT IS TRUE THAT THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO ARE ATTEMPTING TO PREVENT 11:24:49 THAT GOVERNMENT FROM BEING SUCCESSFUL. 11:24:53 AND AS THEY ARE THE PEOPLE WHO ARE BLOWING UP BUILDINGS AND 11:24:58 KILLING INNOCENT MEN AND WOMEN AND CHILDREN AND TAKING OFF THE 11:25:03 HEADS OF PEOPLE ON TELEVISION. AND AT THE IDEA THAT THEY ARE 11:25:08 PREVAILING IS UNACCEPTABLE. SECONDLY, WE'VE SAID THE NUMBER 11:25:14 OF TROOPS WERE WRONG. I GUESS HISTORY WILL MAKE A 11:25:18 JUDGMENT. THE NUMBER OF TROOPS THAT WENT 11:25:22 IN AND THE NUMBER OF TROOPS THERE EVERY MONTH SINCE AND THE 11:25:27 NUMBER TODAY REFLECTED THE BEST JUDGMENT OF THE MILITARY 11:25:32 COMMANDERS ON THE GROUND, THEIR SUPERIORS, THE GENERAL PACE, 11:25:38 GENERAL ABIZAID, THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES. 11:25:42 I THINK IT IS NOT CORRECT TO ASSUME THEY WERE WRONG NUMBERS. 11:25:48 AND I DO NOT THINK THE EVIDENCE SUGGEST THAT ENDED WOULD BE 11:25:53 INTERESTING TO SEE WHAT HISTORY BESIDES. 11:25:57 THE BALANCE BETWEEN HAVING TOO MANY AND CONTRIBUTING TO AN 11:26:02 INSURGENCY BY THE FEELING OF OCCUPATION AND THE RISK OF 11:26:07 HAVING TOO FEW AND HAVING THE SECURITY SITUATION NOT BE 11:26:12 SUFFICIENT FOR POLITICAL PROGRESS TO GO FORWARD, IS A 11:26:16 COMPLICATED SET OF DECISIONS, AND I DID NOT KNOW THAT THERE IS 11:26:22 ANY GUIDE BOOK THAT TELLS YOU HOW TO DO WITH. 11:26:26 NO RULE BOOK, NO HISTORY FOR THIS, AND THE JUDGMENTS THAT 11:26:31 HAVE BEEN MADE HAVE BEEN MADE BY EXCEEDINGLY WELL TRAINED PEOPLE. 11:26:37 THE GENTLEMAN SITTING NEXT TO ME, THE PEOPLE ON THE GROUND IN 11:26:42 IRAQ. THEY WERE STUDIED AND EXAMINED 11:26:46 AND ANALYZED BY CIVILIAN LEADERSHIP AND THE PRESIDENT AND 11:26:51 THEY WERE CONFIRMED. SO I THINK YOUR ASSERTION IS AT 11:26:55 LEAST DEBATABLE. THE IDEA THAT THE ARMY WAS 11:27:00 DISBANDED IS I THINK ONE THAT IS FLYING AROUND. 11:27:04 MIGHT IMPRESSION IS THAT TO THE GREATEST EXTET THAT ARMY 11:27:09 DISBANDED ITSELF -- IT WAS MADE UP OF A LOT OF SHIITE CONSCRIPTS 11:27:15 THAT DID NOT WANT TO BE IN ITS, AND MANY HUNDREDS OF SUNNIS WHO 11:27:20 WERE NOT ABOUT TO HANG AROUND AFTER SADDAM HUSSEIN AND HIS 11:27:25 SONS AND THAT ADMINISTRATION WAS REPLACED. 11:27:29 THE WORK TO BUILD A NEW ARMY HAS INCLUDED AN AWFUL LOT OF PEOPLE 11:27:35 FROM THE PRIOR ORMY AND IT HAS BENEFITED FROM THAT. 11:27:39 CERTAINLY, THE ASSERTION THAT THE GOVERNMENT REJECTED ALL OF 11:27:44 THE PLANNING THAT HAD BEEN DONE BEFORE IS SIMPLY FALSE. 11:27:49 IT IS NOT THE CASE. THE PLANNING THAT WAS DONE IT 11:27:54 WAS TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT BY THE PEOPLE EXECUTING THE POST MAJOR 11:27:59 COMBAT. THE COMMENTS ABOUT BAD DEBT, 11:28:03 I'LL POSSIBLY LET GENERAL ABIZAID COMMENT ON. 11:28:07 THE GOAL IS NOT TO HAVE U.S. FORCES DO WITH THE HEAVY LIFTING 11:28:13 IN BAGHDAD. THERE ARE MANY, MANY MORE IRAQI 11:28:17 FORCES IN BAGHDAD. THE ROLE OF THE U.S. FORCES IS 11:28:22 TO HELP THEM, PROVIDE LOGISTICS, ASSIST THEM AS NEEDED, AND TO 11:28:27 CREATE A PRESENCE THAT WILL ALLOW THE IRAQI SECURITY FORCES 11:28:32 TO SUCCEED AND THEN AS OUR FORCES STEPPED BACK IT ALLOWS 11:28:37 THE IRAQI SECURITY FORCES TO BE SUFFICIENT TO MAINTAIN ORDER IN 11:28:42 THIS CITY. I CANNOT PREDICT IF IT WILL WORK 11:28:47 THIS TIME. IT MAY OR MAY NOT, BUT IT 11:28:50 HAPPENS TO REPRESENT THE BEST JUDGMENT OF THE GENERALS AND THE 11:28:56 MILITARY LEADERSHIP, AND GENERAL ABIZAID AND GENERAL PACE AND I 11:29:01 HAVE REVIEWED IT AND WE FEEL IT IS A SENSIBLE APPROACH. 11:29:06 AFGHANISTAN -- I DO NOT KNOW WHO SAID WHAT ABOUT WHETHER TALIBAN 11:29:11 IS GONE, BUT THE TALENT AND THAT WAS RULING AFGHANISTAN WERE 11:29:17 REPLACED AND REPLACED BY AN ELECTION THAT TOOK PLACE IN THAT 11:29:22 COUNTRY. IN TERMS OF THE GOVERNMENT OR 11:29:26 GOVERNMENT ENTITY, THEY WERE GONE, AND THAT IS THE FACT. 11:29:31 ARE THERE STILL SOME OF THEM AROUND, YOU BET. 11:29:35 ARE THEY IN PAKISTAN AND OTHER PLACES, CERTAINLY. 11:29:40 IS THE VIOLENCE UP? YES. 11:29:43 DOES IT TEND TO BE U IN THE SUMMER, SPRING, SUMMER AND FALL 11:29:48 MONTHS? YES. 11:29:51 AND IT DECLINED TO THE WINTER. DOES THAT REPRESENT A FAILED 11:29:56 POLICY? I DO NOT KNOW. 11:29:59 I THINK WE HAVE AN AWFUL LOT OF TALENTED PEOPLE IN ENGAGED IN 11:30:04 THIS AND THE DECISIONS ARE MADE WITH GREAT CARE AFTER A GREAT 11:30:09 DEAL OF CONSIDERATION. ARTHUR SETBACKS AND THINGS THAT 11:30:14 PEOPLE CANNOT ANTICIPATE? DOES THE ENEMY HAVE A BRAIN AND 11:30:19 MAKES ADJUSTMENTS ON THE GROUND, REQUIRING US TO DO THE SAME? 11:30:24 YES. IS THE PROBLEM GOING TO BE 11:30:28 SOLVED IN THE NEAR TERM, THIS LONG STRUGGLE AGAINST EXTREMISM? 11:30:33 NO, I THINK IT WILL TAKE TIME. SOME WARS HAVE LASTED THREE 11:30:38 YEARS, SOME FOUR YEARS, FIVE YEARS -- THE COLD WAR LASTED 11:30:43 OVER 40 YEARS AND THE STRUGGLE AGAINST VIOLENT EXTREMISTS WHO 11:30:49 ARE DETERMINED TO PREVENT PEOPLE FROM EXERCISING THEIR RIGHTS IS 11:30:54 GOING TO GO ON A LONG TIME AND IT IS GOING TO BE TOUGH. 11:30:59 IT DOES NOT MEAN WE HAVE TO SPEND THE REST OF OUR LIVES AS

10:31:00 LEADERSHIP, THAT WOULD GIVE THEM THE ABILITY TO NOT BE INVOLVED 10:31:02 IN THIS, TO QUELL THE VIOLENCE, AND TO EVENTUALLY HELP PRESIDENT 10:31:13 MALIKI DISARM AND DISMANTLE THE MILITIAS? 10:31:19 >> SENATOR, I THINK YOUR POINT IS A VALID ONE, THAT ULTIMATELY 10:31:25 THE SECTARIAN VIOLENCE IS GOING TO BE DEALT WITH BY IRAQIS, AND 10:31:29 IS GOING TO BE DEALT WITH BY IRAQI SECURITY FORCES. 10:31:41 MOLECULE, THE PRIME MINISTER, AND OTHERS ARE TRYING TO DESIGN 10:31:47 IT IN A WAY THAT WILL PULL TOGETHER ELEMENTS WITHIN THE 10:31:50 COUNTRY AND THEREBY REDUCE SECTARIAN VIOLENCE. 10:31:54 I WOUN&L];8x 6M[#" GENERAL'S COMMENTS ON THE 10:31:57 TRAINING EXCEPT TO SAY THAT THE SITUATION OF TRAINING IN IRAQ IN 10:32:01 18 PROVINCES IS QUITE DIFFERENT IN DIFFERENT PROVINCES AND WE 10:32:04 HAVE FORCES IN MOST PROVINCES AN THE TRAINING IS DIFFERENT 10:32:09 WITH DIFFERENT CIRCUMSTANCES THE FACE. 10:32:11 ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THE DEPARTMENT HAS DONE IS HAVE 10:32:14 EXTENSIVE LESSONS LEARNED FROM WHAT IS TAKING PLACE IN IRAQ IN 10:32:18 DIFFERENT PARTS OF THE COUNTRY BROUGHT BACK TO THE JOINT FORCES 10:32:22 COMMAND AND THE NATIONAL TRAINING CENTER AND THE TROOPS 10:32:24 ARE BEING TRAINED UP CAREFULLY TO ENSURE THAT THEY HAVE THE 10:32:29 KIND OF -- BEST KIND OF TRAINING THEY CAN HAVE FOR THE 10:32:32 CIRCUMSTANCES THAT WE BELIEVE THEY'RE GOING TO FIND IN THE 10:32:37 AREAS THEY'RE GOING TO BE ASSIGNED TO. 10:32:39 >> COULD YOU EXPAND ON THIS, ABOUT GETTING IN WITH THE GROWTH 10:32:43 OF THE SECTARIAN VIOLENCE. HOW DO WHERE TROOPS GET IN THERE 10:32:46 AND NOT GET EMBROILED IN THE SECTARIAN VIOLENCE? 10:32:51 IS THIS THE BEGINNING FOR THE END OF THE INCREASED NUMBERS OF 10:32:55 TROOPS THAT WE ARE GOING TO NEED OVER THERE? 10:33:00 HOW WAS THE BACKGROUND AND TRAINING ACTUALLY GOING TO PULL 10:33:05 THAT SECTARIAN VIOLENCE THAT YOU HAVE IDENTIFIED AS ESCALATING AT 10:33:08 THE PRESENT TIME. >> SENATOR KENNEDY THE FIRST 10:33:12 LINE AGAIN SECTARIAN VIOLENCE IS THE IRAQI ARMED FORCES. 10:33:16 THEY KNOW WHERE THE PROBLEMS ARE COMING FROM AN UNRECOGNIZED IT 10:33:21 EASIER THAN OUR TROOPS CAN. I WOULD TELL YOU THAT OUR 10:33:26 FORCES TO HAVE THE CAPABILITY TO PRECISELY TARGETED THE CELLULAR 10:33:31 DEATH SQUAD STRUCTURE THAT IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THIS ACTIVITY. 10:33:34 THE MORE AND MORE OVERTIME WE HAVE BECOME PROFICIENT AND BEING 10:33:38 ABLE TO ATTACK THE CELLULAR STRUCTURE OF AL QAEDA AND WE 10:33:43 INTEND TO USE THAT CAPABILITY AND INTELLIGENCE ACTIVITIES THAT 10:33:47 WE HAVE USED BEFORE TO TARGET THE MILITIA DEATH SQUADS THAT WE 10:33:52 SEE OPERATING OUT IN BAGHDAD WITH A CERTAIN DEGREE OF 10:33:55 FREEDOM. >> THANK YOU. 10:33:58 >> FOR THE RECORD, THIS IS THE JOURNAL'S FULL STATEMENT, JULY 10:34:05 27, 2006. HE SAID "FOR THE MILITARY THE 10:34:09 PLANT IS UNCHARTED GROUND. QUITE FRANKLY, IN 33 YEARS IN 10:34:14 THE UNITED STATES ARMY I NEVER TRAINED TO STOP THE SECTARIAN 10:34:18 FIGHT. THIS IS SOMETHING." 10:34:21 THAT IS THE " TO WHICH I REFERRED TO PURE YEAR SENATOR 10:34:25 MCCAIN? >> MY FIRM BELIEF THAT WE CAN 10:34:33 AND MUST WHEN INTERACT -- THE CONSEQUENCES OF FAILURE WOULD BE 10:34:39 CATASTROPHIC. HE SAID THERE IS THE POSSIBILITY 10:34:42 OF THE SITUATION IN IRAQ DEVOLVING INTO CIVIL WAR, 10:34:46 CORRECT? DID YOU ANTICIPATE THIS 10:34:49 SITUATION ONE YEAR AGO? >> NO, SIR. 10:34:56 >> DID YOU? >> I BELIEVE THAT ONE YEAR AGO 10:35:03 SECTARIAN TENSIONS WERE INCREASING. 10:35:06 NOPE. -- NO. 10:35:14 >> WE ARE MOVING TROOPS INTO BAGHDAD, IS THAT CORRECT? 10:35:18 >> THE NUMBER IS CLOSER TO 3500. PLUS MILITARY POLICE THAT WERE 10:35:25 GOING THERE FOR OTHER DUTIES THAT ARE BEING USED IN THE 10:35:30 OUTER AREAS, A MILITARY POLICEMAN IN PARTICULAR. 10:35:35 >> WHERE ARE THESE TROOPS COMING FROM? 10:35:38 >> THE TROOPS ARE COMING DOWN. >> IS THE SITUATION UNDER 10:35:44 CONTROL IN RAMADI? >> BETTER THAN IT WAS TWO MONTHS 10:35:50 AGO. >> IS THE SITUATION UNDER 10:35:52 CONTROL IN RAMADI? >> I THINK THE SITUATION IN 10:35:57 RAMADI IS WORKABLE. >> AND CHIPS FROM RAMADI CAME 10:36:01 FROM FALLUJAH, ISN'T THAT CORRECT? 10:36:05 THAT IS MY INFORMATION. WE ARE PLAYING A GAME AND OF 10:36:14 WHACK-'EM-ALL. FALLUJAH BECAME A BASE SO WE HAD 10:36:20 TO GO INTO FALLUJAH AND FIGHT ONE OF THE GREAT BATTLES IN 10:36:24 MARINE PORT/ARMY HISTORY. THEN WE WENT BACK THEY'RE NOT 10:36:27 TOO LONG AGO. WHERE ARE YOU GOING TO GET THE 10:36:33 TROOPS? WE MOVE THEM FROM FALLUJAH, NOW 10:36:36 WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO MOVE TROOPS INTO BAGHDAD FROM 10:36:39 SOMEPLACE ELSE. IT IS VERY DISTURBING. 10:36:43 AND IF IT IS ALL UP TO THE IRAQI MILITARY, GENERAL JOHN ABIZAID, 10:36:49 IF IT IS ALL OF THEM, AND WONDER WHY WE HAVE TO MOVE TROOPS INTO 10:36:53 BAGHDAD TO INTERVENE IN WHAT IS CLEARLY SECTARIAN VIOLENCE. 10:37:00 >> SENATOR, IRAQI TROOPS ARE BEING MOVED INTO BAGHDAD. 10:37:04 THE NUMBER OF IRAQI TROOPS IN THE BAGHDAD AREA IS GREATER THAN 10:37:08 OUR TROOPS. WE ARE IN SUPPORT WITH THEM IN 10:37:11 THE MAIN OPERATIONAL AREAS AND I BELIEVE THAT UNDER THE CURRENT 10:37:16 CIRCUMSTANCES THAT IRAQI FORCES NEED TO BENEFIT FROM OUR COMMAND 10:37:20 AND CONTROL CAPABILITIES AND THE SYSTEMS OF UNITS SUCH AS A 10:37:26 STRIKER BRIGADE THAT HAS BEEN MOVED TO THE SOUTH. 10:37:28 >> I WOULD ANTICIPATE PUTTING AMERICAN TROOPS INTO THIS 10:37:32 VOLATILE SITUATION. HE SAID AMERICAN CASUALTIES WILL 10:37:36 PROBABLY GO UP? >> I THINK IT IS POSSIBLE THAT 10:37:44 IN THE TIME AHEAD OF US IN BAGHDAD THAT WILL TAKE INCREASED 10:37:49 CASUALTIES, IT IS POSSIBLE. >> THE SITUATION IN SOUTHERN 10:37:53 IRAQ, I WAS BRIEFED BY BRITISH MILITARY AND OTHERS THAT THERE 10:38:00 IS A GRAVE CONCERN ABOUT IRANIAN PENETRATION THROUGHOUT SOUTHERN 10:38:05 IRAQ. IS THAT A SERIOUS ISSUE? 10:38:08 >> IRANIAN REVOLUTIONARY GUARD COULD FORCE INTELLIGENCE 10:38:18 AGENCIES AND EQUIP WHAT I COULD CALL GROWTH GROUPS AND IT IS A 10:38:23 CONCERN. >> IS BASARA IN CONTROL OF THE 10:38:32 ISSUES? >> THE MILITIAS HAVE GREATER 10:38:35 CONTROL IN BASARA, AND THAT IS WHY THE PRIME MINISTER HAS 10:38:40 APPOINTED A MILITARY OFFICER TO GO DOWN THERE AND GET THE 10:38:43 SECURITY SITUATION BACK UNDER CONTROL. 10:38:46 >> DO YOU HAVE CONFIDENCE IN THE IRAQI MINISTER OF INTERIOR? 10:38:50 >> I DO NOT KNOW THE IRAQI MINISTER OF INTERIOR OF THE WAY 10:38:54 THAT I KNOW THE DEFENSE MINISTER. 10:38:56 I HAVE NO REASON NOT TO HAVE CONFIDENCE IN HIM. 10:39:00 >> DAY AFTER DAY, PEOPLE ARE RUNNING AMOK IN POLICE UNIFORMS 10:39:05 AND ARMY UNIFORMS AND THEY'RE ACTUALLY MALICIOUS AND KILLING 10:39:07 PEOPLE. -- MILITIAS KILLING PEOPLE. 10:39:17 IT IS AN EMERGENCY THAT PEOPLE ARE GOING TO BE KILLED. 10:39:24 TO THE STATE OTHE TRAINING NOT OF THE IRAQI MILITARY BUT OF 10:39:28 IRAQI POLICE AND LAW ENFORCEMENT. 10:39:31 CAN YOU COMMENT ON THAT SITUATION? 10:39:34 >> DURING THE TIME AFTER THE NATIONAL ELECTION WE KNOW 10:39:39 GOVERNANCE FORMED, OF THE INTERIOR MINISTRY IN PARTICULAR, 10:39:45 DID NOT DEVELOP ITS FORCES IN THE WAY THAT WE HAD ANTICIPATED 10:39:48 THAT THEY WOULD OR SHOULD. MILITARY FORCES ON THE OTHER 10:39:52 HAND CONTINUE TO DEVELOP WELL AND PERFORM WELL BUT THERE IS NO 10:39:57 DOUBT THAT POLICE UNITS ESPECIALLY LOCAL POLICE UNITS 10:40:01 WERE INFILTRATED IN BOSNIA -- BASARA IN PARTICULAR BY LOCAL 10:40:07 MILITIAS AND THEY PUT THEIR ALLEGIANCE TO THE MALICIOUS 10:40:11 AHEAD OF THEIR ALLEGIANCE TO THE STATE IT IS VITAL THAT WE TURN 10:40:16 THIS AROUND. >> THE OUTSIDER CONTINUES TO BE 10:40:20 A MAJOR OBSTACLE TO PROGRESS IN IRAQ. 10:40:23 ARE WE -- I BELIEVE THERE IS STILL AN OUTSTANDING AWARD FOR 10:40:27 HIS ARREST -- ARMY'S GOING TO ADDRESS THAT ISSUE? 10:40:31 >> THE ISSUE WILL BE ADDRESSED BY THE IRAQI GOVERNMENT. 10:40:35 >> NOT BY US? >> BE ADDRESSED BY THE IRAQI 10:40:40 GOVERNMENT. >> ALL MY COLLEAGUES ARE HERE'S 10:40:45 OUR WANT TO NOT TAKE TIME -- I JUST WANT TO CONCLUDE -- 10:40:49 SECRETARY RUMSFELD WE PASSED AN AMENDMENT ON THE AUTHORIZATION 10:40:52 BILL WHICH I AM CONFIDENT WILL BE ACCEPTED IN CONFERENCE. 10:40:57 AND THAT REQUIRES THAT OPERATIONS IN AFGHANISTAN BE 10:41:02 INCLUDED IN THE REGULAR BUDGET TO RICK -- BUDGETARY PROCESS. 10:41:07 WE ARE HEARING STORY AFTER STORY ABOUT CORRUPTION'S, ETC. CURIA 10:41:12 WE MUST HAVE SUFFICIENT CONGRESSIONAL OVERSIGHT. 10:41:15 I HOPE YOU ARE MAKING PLANS TO INCLUDE SPENCES INVOLVED IN 10:41:21 OPERATIONS IN IRAQ AND AFGHANISTAN IN THE NORMAL 10:41:24 BUDGETARY PROCESS AND NOT AS A "EMERGENCY SUPPLEMENTAL." 10:41:31 YOU SHOULD AT THIS TIME BE ABLE TO PREDICT WHAT THOSE COSTS 10:41:36 MIGHT BE. I WANT TO SAY, AGAIN, YOU WILL 10:41:41 HAVE A SHOWDOWN UNLESS BOTH WITHIN HIS BODY AND WITHIN THE 10:41:46 EXECUTIVE BRANCH UNLESS WE START GOING THROUGH THE NORMAL 10:41:48 BUDGETARY PROCESS TO FUND THIS CONFLICT WHICH I THINK ALL OF US 10:41:52 AGREE WE WILL BE INVOLVED IN FOREIGN LONG TIME. 10:42:01 >> WE ARE AWARE OF THE AMENDMENT AND NEEDLESS TO SAY WE WILL 10:42:05 COMPLY WITH THE LAW. FROM OUR STANDPOINT WE CAN DO IT 10:42:08 EITHER WAY AND IT HAS BEEN A MATTER THAT HAS BEEN WORKED OF 10:42:11 GENERALLY OVER THE YEAR BETWEEN THE WHITE HOUSE AND THE 10:42:14 LEADERSHIP AND CONGRESS. THE REALITY IS THAT WHAT WE 10:42:20 WOULD HAVE TO DO AS YOU SUGGESTED WOULD BE TO PROVIDE 10:42:23 THE BEST ESTIMATES THAT WE CAN AND PROJECTIONS AND THEN MAKE 10:42:27 ADJUSTMENTS FOR THEM AS TIME PASSED AND WE WOULD BE HAPPY TO 10:42:32 DO THAT. >> MR. CHAIRMAN -- ONE 10:42:38 CLARIFICATION. SO THOSE WATCHING US TO NOT 10:42:41 BELIEVE THAT THEIR SONS AND DAUGHTERS WERE NOT PROPERLY 10:42:44 TRAINED TO HANDLE THE KIND OF VIOLENCE THAT THE SECTARIAN 10:42:49 VIOLENCE IS CREATING. WHAT HE SAID IS EXACTLY TRUE 10:42:51 THAT WE DO NOT TRAIN TO SEPARATE SECTARIAN VIOLENCE AND THAT IS 10:42:56 VERY MUCH IRRESPONSIBILITY ON THE POLITICIANS AND AS WE TALKED 10:43:00 ABOUT ALREADY TO IRAQI PEOPLE NEED TO DO THAT. 10:43:03 WITH REGARD TO THOSE ON PATROL IN BAGHDAD WITH HIS -- WITH HIS 10:43:09 PLATOON, REGARDLESS OF SHI'IA, OR SUNNI, OUR SOLDIERS AND 10:43:14 MARINES ARE WELL TRAINED TO HANDLE THAT. 10:43:17 THERE IS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE KIND OF VIOLENCE THEY HAVE 10:43:20 TO HANDLE AND WHAT WILL PREVENT THE VIOLENCE. 10:43:22 OF PREVENTING THAT VIOLENCE IS THE ROLE OF THE POLITICAL 10:43:27 LEADERS. TO SOLVE. 10:43:30 >> THAT IS THE PURPOSE OF THIS HEARING, TO CLARIFY THESE PUBLIC 10:43:36 STATEMENTS THAT COME BEFORE THIS AND THE AMERICAN PUBLIC. 10:43:39 THANK YOU, CHAIRMAN PACE. >> GENERAL JOHN ABIZAID, IN YOUR 10:43:47 OPINION IS IT AND A TERRORIST ORGANIZATION WITH IMPLICIT 10:43:53 SUPPORT FROM THE IRANIAN GOVERNMENT? 10:43:57 >> THERE ARE GROUPS WITHIN THE ARMY THAT ARE UNDER THE PAY OF 10:44:02 THE IRANIAN GOVERNMENT THAT ARE TERRORIST ORGANIZATIONS. 10:44:05 I AM NOT SURE I CAN SAY THAT IS NECESSARILY TRUE ABOUT THE 10:44:09 ENTIRE ORGANIZATION. >> THERE IS AN OUTSTANDING 10:44:13 WARRANT FOR THE LEADER OF THE ARMY AND HE IS A PROMINENT 10:44:19 MEMBER OF THE IRAQI GOVERNMENT, IS THAT CORRECT -- CORRECT? 10:44:28 >> YES. >> IN FACT IS PART OF THE 10:44:32 GOVERNMENT? >> I BELIEVE THAT THE PRIME 10:44:35 MINISTER AND HIS GOVERNMENT WILL TAKE THE STEPS NECESSARY TO GET 10:44:39 THE SECTARIAN VIOLENCE UNDER CONTROL AND TO WHAT HAS TO BE 10:44:41 DONE AGAINST THE DEATH SQUADS. >> YOU HAVE ANY SENSE OF THE 10:44:45 TIMING OF THIS, WITH RESPE TO THE TIMING? 10:44:53 >> I WOULD NOT CHARACTERIZE THE TARGET. 10:44:56 I WOULD SAY THERE ARE ELEMENTS THAT ARE BEING -- THAT WILL BE 10:45:01 TARGETED BECAUSE OF PARTICIPATING IN DEBT SQUAD 10:45:03 ACTIVITIES. WITH THE ENCOURAGEMENT, THE 10:45:08 PERMISSION, THE TOLERANCE OF THEM? 10:45:13 >> I COULD NOT SAY WHETHER THERE WAS PERMISSION OR TOLERANCE. 10:45:17 I CAN SAY THAT THE PRIME MINISTER KNOWS AND HAS BEEN 10:45:20 FORCEFUL ABOUT SAYING THAT MALICIOUS MUST BE BROUGHT UNDER 10:45:23 CONTROL. HE HAS A WIDE RANGE OF POINTS 10:45:29 THAT GO ALL THE WAYS FROM DIRECT MILITARY CONFRONTATION TO AN 10:45:34 AGREEMENT WITH VARIOUS MALICIOUS. 10:45:35 >> WE WILL NOT BE INVOLVED IN THAT PROCESS? 10:45:39 IT WILL BE EXCLUSIVELY UP TO THE PRIME MINISTER AND HIS FORCES? 10:45:43 >> I WOULD NOT SAY HE WOULD BE EXCLUSIVELY THE WORK OF IRAQIS. 10:45:48 IT IS CLEAR THAT OUR FORCES IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE IRAQIS WILL 10:45:53 HELP TARGET DEATH SQUAD ORGANIZATIONS. 10:45:58 >> MR. SECRETARY, UP $4.9 BILLION IN FUNDING, THE ARMY 10:46:06 REQUESTED FOR RESET WHICH IS REPAIRED AND REPLACING OF 10:46:10 EQUIPMENT, WAS DENIED BEFORE THE REQUEST WAS SUBMITTED TO 10:46:13 CONGRESS. DID YOU DENIED THIS REQUEST OR 10:46:17 DID THE BUDGET DENIED THE REQUEST? 10:46:21 >> AS YOU KNOW, THE NORMAL PROCESS IS THAT THE DEPARTMENT 10:46:24 IS GIVEN A BUDGET BY THE OFFICE OF MANAGEMENT, AND WE TAKE THAT 10:46:31 BUDGET AND WORK WITHIN THE DEPARTMENT TO TRY TO FASHION A 10:46:36 BUDGET THAT IS BALANCED THAT MAKES SENSE. 10:46:39 IN THE EVENT WE HAVE TO REQUEST ADDITIONAL FUNDS WE HAVE DONE 10:46:47 THAT. I DO NOT KNOW PRECISELY WHICH 10:46:53 4.9 -- >> MR. SECRETARY, DID YOU GO 10:46:55 BACK TO THE PRESIDENT AND ASK FOR MORE FUNDS BECAUSE OF THE 10:46:59 CRITICAL NEEDS? >> WE HAVE CERTAINLY GONE TO THE 10:47:03 PRESIDENT AND THE OFFICE OF MANAGEMENT AND BUDGET AND 10:47:05 EXPLAIN THE NEED FOR RESET AND NEGOTIATED EXTENSIVELY WITH THE 10:47:10 OFFICE OF MANAGEMENT AND BUDGET AND REGRETTABLY THERE HAVE BEEN 10:47:13 CUTS MADE BY CONGRESS EVERY YEAR IN THE DEFENSE BUDGET AND HAVE 10:47:17 BEEN NOT ONLY REDUCTIONS IN OUR BUDGET THERE HAVE BEEN THINGS 10:47:20 THAT HAVE BEEN ADDED IN THAT WE DID NOT REQUEST THAT REPORT IS 10:47:23 TO TAKE MONEY FROM OTHER THINGS AND THIRD THERE HAVE BEEN THINGS 10:47:27 REQUIRED OF US THAT WE WERE PREVENTED FROM MAKING SAVINGS 10:47:31 AND THE NET EFFECT IF YOU LOOK JUST TODAY IN THE AUTHORIZATION 10:47:35 AND APPROPRIATION BILLS THE RUN SOMEWHERE BETWEEN 10, 15, $20 10:47:40 BILLION. >> SO THE WHITE HOUSE DID TURN 10:47:43 DOWN YOUR REQUEST? >> THAT WOULD NOT BE CORRECT. 10:47:48 >> YOU DID NOT ASK? >> I CANNOT SAY THAT BECAUSE WE 10:47:53 WENT THROUGH AN EXTENSIVE DISCUSSION AND NEGOTIATION AND 10:47:56 WE ENDED UP WITH A BUDGET WE ENDED UP WITH WHICH WAS THEN 10:47:59 REDUCED BY CONGRESS. >> LAST TUESDAY EVENING, THE 10:48:04 SENATE PASSED AN APPROPRIATION FOR $13 -- $13 BILLION. 10:48:11 IS IT A WASTE? >> IT IS CLEARLY NEEDED. 10:48:16 >> WHY DID YOU ASK FOR THAT CLEARLY NEEDED MONEY? 10:48:19 >> WE DID TALK TO THE WHITE HOUSE ABOUT IT AND THAT IS WHERE 10:48:21 THE NUMBER CAME FROM FROM THE DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE. 10:48:26 >> MR. SECRETARY WHAT YOU WERE SAYING HE'S EITHER DO WOULD ASK 10:48:29 FOR THE MONEY AND THEY SAID NO OR YOU ACCEPTED IN LIMIT DESPITE 10:48:33 THE NEEDS THAT YOU RECOGNIZE. IT IS ONE OR THE OTHER. 10:48:38 >> YOU HAVE LOST ME. >> I THINK YOU HAVE LOST 10:48:42 EVERYONE. >> FIRST WERE TALKING ABOUT $4.9 10:48:46 BILLION NOW WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE $13.1 BILLION, AND WE HAVE 10:48:51 REQUESTED THAT AND THEY HAVE REQUESTED OF CONGRESS AND 10:48:55 CONGRESS HAS PUT IT IN THE BILL AS I ENTER STAND IT. 10:48:59 >> WHEN DID YOU REQUEST THE $13 BILLION? 10:49:03 >> WITHIN THE LAST MONTHS, WEEKS. 10:49:06 >> WEEKS? >> WEEKS. 10:49:10 >> DAYS? WHAT DID YOU REQUEST THE $13 10:49:13 BILLION WHEN IT WAS BEING PREPARED TO BE SENT TO CONGRESS? 10:49:17 >> THE BUDGET WAS NOT BEEN PREPARED TO BE SENT TO CONGRESS, 10:49:20 IT WOULD HAVE BEEN JANUARY OF LAST YEAR FOR THE BUDGET THAT 10:49:26 HAS STILL NOT BEEN PASSED BY THE CONGRESS THIS YEAR. 10:49:30 FOR THE SUPPLEMENTAL IT WOULD HAVE BEEN LATE LAST YEAR AT THE 10:49:33 BEGINNING OF LAST YEAR BUT THE AND WHEN THOSE BUDGETS ARE 10:49:36 PREPARED. WE GAIN KNOWLEDGE EVERY MONTH 10:49:42 IT GOES BY AND IT IS CLEAR WE HAVE A RESET PROBLEM AND IT IS 10:49:44 ALSO CLEAR THAT THE $13 BILLION IS NEEDED. 10:49:48 >> IT IS QUITE CLEAR THAT TWO- THIRDS OF THE ACTIVE RESERVE IS 10:49:51 NOW REPORTING AS UNREADY. THERE'S NOT A SINGLE ON DEPLOYED 10:49:56 TEAM IN UNITED STATES THAT IS READY TOEPLOY 3 THE BOTTOM 10:50:00 LINE IS WE HAVE NO READY STRATEGIC RESERVE. 10:50:04 THIS IS A STUNNING INDICTMENT. >> I THINK IT IS AN INACCURATE 10:50:08 STATEMENT. >> HOW SO? 10:50:11 HAVE YOU SEEN THE REPORTS? >> I HAVE. 10:50:15 >> IT IS INACCURATE TO SAY THAT IT DOES NOT INDICATE SHOULD HEAR 10:50:19 -- SEVERE SHORTAGES? MANY BRIGADE'S NOT DEPLOYABLE? 10:50:25 >> ALLOW ME A FEW MINUTES TO RESPOND. 10:50:28 IT IS COMPLICATED. I STAND WITH WHAT I SAY. 10:50:32 THE CHARACTERIZATION THAT HE MADE IS NOT ACCURATE. 10:50:37 IT IS COMPLICATED. IF ONE SEES A CHART THAT SHOWS 10:50:41 THE DETERIORATION LIKE THIS OVER A FIVE, SIX, SEVEN, 10 YOUR 10:50:46 TIME -- YEAR PERIOD, IT SEEMS TO DETERIORATE. 10:50:56 IF YOU BEGIN WITH A STANDARD OF REQUIREMENT THAT IS EX AND THEN 10:51:01 YOU SHOW THE BEGINNING OF THE CHART AND THEN AT THE END YOU 10:51:04 HAVE CHANGED YOUR REQUIREMENT BECAUSE YOU HAVE DECIDED UNIQUE 10:51:07 DIFFERENT THINGS AND YOU HAVE LEARNED FROM THE EXPERIENCES OF 10:51:10 THE LAST YEARS AND YOU HAVE INCREASED REQUIREMENTS TO 10:51:17 5X SO IF YOU HAVE IMPROVED 300% YOU WERE AT 100% TO BEGAN AND I 10:51:24 YOU NEED 5X AND YOU HAVE IMPROVED 300% TO GET THERE, YOU 10:51:32 ARE STILL SHORT OF THAT REQUIREMENT AND THAT IS WHAT 10:51:35 SHOWS THE DETERIORATION. THE FACT IS THE EQUIPMENT THAT 10:51:38 THE MILITARY HAS TODAY IS VASTLY BETTER TODAY THAN IT WAS FIVE 10:51:42 YEARS AGO. THE READINESS OF OUR 10:51:45 CAPABILITIES IF YOU MEASURE THEM AGAINST FULL SPECTRUM YOU CAN 10:51:49 SAY THEY ARE NOT READY TO DO EVERYTHING THAT ANYONE 10:51:53 CONCEIVABLY MIGHT NEED TO DO. ON THETHER HAND, IF YOU ASK 10:51:56 THE READINESS OF THE FORCES TO WHAT THEY ARE ASKED TO DO, ARE 10:52:01 THEY CAPABLE OF DOING WHAT THEY'RE DOING? 10:52:04 EQUIPPED AND TRAINED? HE WILL TELL YOU YES. 10:52:07 IF YOU ASK THE GENERAL ON THE ARMED FORCES OF THE U.S. BETTER 10:52:11 TODAY, MORE CAPABLE, BETTER EQUIPPED THAN FIVE YEARS AGO? 10:52:15 HE WILL SAY YES. IF YOU ASK GENERAL PAYS THE 10:52:20 QUESTION, IS THE UNITED STATES TODAY CAPABLE OF FULFILLING THE 10:52:25 REQUIREMENTS THAT THIS COUNTRY HAS PUT ON THEM, THE ANSWER IS 10:52:29 YES. >> LET ME TAKE THAT OPPORTUNITY. 10:52:33 >> YOU ARE WAY OVER YOUR TIME. WE NEED TO ALLOW THE WITNESS TO 10:52:37 FULLY RESPOND TO YOUR QUESTION. WE WILL HAVE ANOTHER ROUND AND 10:52:43 YOU CAN PURSUE THIS AT THAT TIME. 10:52:46 I HAVE TO ACCOMMODATE OTHER MEMBERS. 10:52:48 BOURKE-WHITE A BIT OVER YOUR TIME. 10:52:51 AS THE WITNESS HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO FULLY RESPOND? 10:52:56 >> I HAVE. IT WOULD BE USEFUL IF THE 10:52:59 SENATORS LAST QUESTION -- >> MR. CHAIRMAN, WOULD YOU ALLOW 10:53:04 ME TO ASK MY QUESTION? >> WE HAVE ALLOWED YOU TO ASK 10:53:11 YOUR QUESTION FULLY. IT WAS STATED AND IT IS IN THE 10:53:14 RECORD. I THINK WITH CLARITY AND THE 10:53:18 SECRETARY HAS RESPONDED. WE WILL HAVE A SECOND NOW AT 10:53:21 WHICH TIME WE CAN FURTHER PURSUE THIS. 10:53:28 NOW, THE SECRETARY HAS ASKED THE GENERAL TO GIVE HIS PERSPECTIVE. 10:53:34 >> MR. CHAIRMAN, IF ON CUE. -- THANK YOU. 10:53:41 READINESS IS REFLECTED IN TRAINING AND EQUIPMENT AND 10:53:44 PERSONNEL. ANYTIME A UNIT COMES BACK FROM 10:53:48 ANY DEPLOYMENT, WHEN I WAS BAALION COMMANDER, THE UNIT AS 10:53:52 PEOPLE WHO CHANGE OUT AND THEREFORE THE PERSONNEL NUMBERS 10:53:57 GO DOWN IN THE TRAINING AS A RESULT OF PEOPLE COMING BACK 10:54:01 STARTS OUT A NEW INTO THE NEW CYCLE AND EQUIPMENT IS TAKEN 10:54:06 FROM WHAT HAS BEEN USED AND PUT INTO MAINTENANCE. 10:54:09 THAT IS NORMAL PEACETIME. IN WARTIME, WE'RE USING THE 10:54:14 EQUIPMENT AT MUCH GREATER RATES. SO YOU HAVE A UNIT THAT HAS 100 10:54:22 TRUCKS AND THEY DEPLOY AND THEY COME BACK. 10:54:24 AND THE TRUCKS NORMALLY WILL BE DRIVEN 1,000 MILES A YEAR AND 10:54:30 10,000 MILES IN COMBAT. YOU HAVE A LARGER NUMBER OF 10:54:33 THOSE VEHICLES THAT END UP BEING PUT INTO MAINTENANCE WHICH FOR 10:54:39 THE UNIT THAT IS HOME IN REDUCES THEIR READINESS BASED ON 10:54:44 AVAILABILITY OF EQUIPMENT. THE UNITS THAT ARE FORWARD HAVE 10:54:49 NOT ONLY THE EQUIPMENT THAT THEY WENT OVER WITH BUT AUGMENTED 10:54:53 THINKS TO THE CONGRESS PROVIDING THE FUNDING. 10:54:57 FOR EXAMPLE, ARE HUMVEES -- OUR HUMVEES. 10:55:04 IN SEPTEMBER OF 2001 IT WAS ABOUT 2000. 10:55:07 THAT NUMBER NOW IS UP AT 12,000. WE HAVE BOUGHT UP TO THOSE 10:55:14 12,000 AND WE HAVE USED THEM IN COMBAT AND NOW A NUMBER OF 10:55:18 THOSE 12,000 ARE CURRENTLY IN MAINTENANCE WAITING. 10:55:22 WE ARE WAY OVER THE 2000 RESTARTED TO BEGIN WITH BUT NOW 10:55:25 BECAUSE OF MAINTENANCE USAGE AND COMBAT LOSSES WE ARE BELOW THE 10:55:32 12,000 FOLKS ARE ASKING FOR TODAY. 10:55:34 IT IS DIFFICULT WHEN YOU TURN THE KALEIDOSCOPE TO SEE ALL THE 10:55:37 PIECES AND IT DOES NOT ALLOW ITSELF TO HAVE A STRAIGHT, IT 10:55:42 EASY ANSWER. FUNDAMENTALLY, THE UNITED STATES 10:55:45 ARMY IS MUCH MORE CAPABLE TODAY. FUNDAMENTALLY, THE ARMY THAT IS 10:55:50 FIGHTING OUR FORCE TODAY IS IN TREMENDOUS SHAPE. 10:55:55 PERSONNEL, TRAINING, AND EQUIPMENT. 10:55:58 IT IS ABSOLUTELY IN FACT THAT FOR VARIOUS BUDGETARY REASONS, 10:56:02 SOME OF WHICH ARE RESULT OF ACTIONS TAKEN BY THE CONGRESS, 10:56:05 THAT WE DO NOT HAVE ENOUGH FUNDING CURRENTLY TO PROVIDE 10:56:11 FOR THE REPAIR OF ALL OF THE EQUIPMENT THAT CURRENTLY SITS AT 10:56:16 OUR DEPOTS WAITING TO BE REPAIRED. 10:56:22 THAT IS THE DIALOGUE ABOUT HOW MUCH MONEY IS NEEDED, AND $13.1 10:56:27 BILLION, IF APPROVED BY CONGRESS, IT WILL ALLOW THE 10:56:30 MARINE CORPS AND THE ARMY TO TAKE THE EQUIPMENT THAT IS 10:56:33 CURRENTLY STACKED UP AT THEIR DEPOTS AND HARD WORK FORCE AND 10:56:37 BEGIN THE PROCESS. WHAT THIS HAPPENED -- SOME OF 10:56:45 THE WORK FORCE HAS HAD TO BE LET GO. 10:56:48 AND WE CANNOT HAVE THE DEPOTS NOT KNOW WHETHER OR NOT THEY ARE 10:56:55 GOING TO BE ABLE TO HAVE THE FUNDING LONG-TERM TO HIRE 10:56:59 PEOPLE. WE CANNOT HIRE A MECHANIC FOR 10:57:01 SIX MONTHS AND THEN LET HIM GO AND THEN HIRE HIM BACK AGAIN. 10:57:05 I WOULD ASK THAT WE LOOK AT SOME KIND OF FUNDING THAT IS FOCUSED 10:57:10 ON THE BACKLOG OF EQUIPMENT REPAIR THAT WILL ALLOW THE 10:57:13 DEPOTS TO CONSCIOUSLY GO OUT AND HIRE PEOPLE WHO CAN STAY IN THE 10:57:18 WORKFORCE LONG ENOUGH TO GET THIS WORK DONE. 10:57:20 THANK YOU. >> TO READ IS AN IMPORTANT 10:57:24 QUESTION. MR. SECRETARY, I'M GOING TO GET 10:57:30 DOCUMENTATION THAT I LOOKED OUT FOR YOU DID ENGAGE ABOUT THE 10:57:35 NEED FOR THESE FUNDS. I THINK THAT DOCUMENTATION WILL 10:57:39 BE PUT IN THIS. BEFORE YOU BEGAN, SENATOR, WE 10:57:45 HAVE TO BACK-TO-BACK VOTES. IT IS MY ATTENTION TO VOTE 10:57:49 QUICKLY AND SENATOR MCCAIN I'M GOING TO BE ABSENT. 10:57:57 WE WILL KEEP THE HEARING GOING, COLLEAGUES, AS MEMBERS COME AND 10:58:01 GO ON THESE BOATS. >> THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN, I DO 10:58:07 WANT TO THANK YOU FOR GIVING THE GENERAL THE OPPORTUNITY TO 10:58:12 RESPOND TO THAT QUESTION. AN EXCELLENT RESPONSE. 10:58:19 LET ME MAKE A COUPLE OF OBSERVATIONS. 10:58:23 I FIND IT REALLY INTERESTING, I THINK MOST OF THE MEMBERS OF 10:58:27 THIS COMMITTEE HAVE BEEN TO IRAQ A NUMBER OF TIMES. 10:58:33 SEVERAL WHO HAVE NOT BEEN OF ALL. 10:58:35 AND WHEN YOU GET THE REACTION, THE RESPONSE AND OPINIONS 10:58:38 FORMULATED BY THOSE WHO HAVE NOT BEEN THERE, IT IS TOTALLY 10:58:41 DIFFERENT THAN THOSE WHO HAVE REALLY BEEN THERE AND 10:58:44 UNDERSTAND FIRSTHAND WHAT IS GOING ON. 10:58:47 THERE IS NO BETTER EXAMPLE OF DEATH IN AN ARTICLE THAT WAS IN 10:58:50 THE PAPER IN USA TODAY THAT SAID THAT ONLY, WITHOUT QUOTING 10:58:56 A SOURCE, OF THE 18 PROVINCES ONLY ONE WAS ABLE TO BE SECURED 10:59:04 JUST WITH THE IRAQIS. ON THE OTHER HAND, A DOCTOR 11:00:00 HUSSEIN AND HE HATED AMERICANS. 11:00:02 UNTIL HE STARTED EMBEDDED TRAINING WITH MARINES AND HE 11:00:06 SAID WHEN HE ROTATED HIM OUT HE CRIED. 11:00:10 HE DID NOT RENAME THE IRAQI SECURITY FORCES AT FALLUJAH THE 11:00:16 FALLUJAH MARINES. . 11:00:51 BUT WHEN YOU SIT DOWN AND SPEND QUALITY TIME WITH THEM YOU GET A 11:00:56 DIFFERENT IMPRESSION THAT YOU DO LOOKING AT THE MEDIA HERE. 11:01:01 . GENERAL PACE SAID, AND I WOULD 11:01:09 LIKE GENERAL ABIZAID MAY BE TO RESPOND TO THIS, HE SAID AT THAT 11:01:15 TIME OF THOSE 36 BRIGADES, 17 -- THE IRAQI BRIGADES -- 17 WORK AT 11:01:21 LEVEL 2, CAPABLE OF OF THOMAS CARPER RATIONS, AND OF THE 112 11:01:27 BATTALIONS, 62 WERE AT LEVEL 2. THIS IS TWO MONTHS AGO. 11:01:32 DO YOU AGREE WITH HIS ASSESSMENT AT THAT TIME THAT THOSE WHO ARE 11:01:38 TRAINED AND EQUIPPING IRAQI SECURITY FORCES, AND HAS THAT 11:01:43 CHANGED IN THE LAST TWO MONTHS? >> I THINK THE BEST WAY TO 11:01:48 CHARACTERIZE WHERE THE IRAQIS ARE DOING MORE HAS TO DO WITH 11:01:53 UNITS THAT ARE IN THE LEAD IN THE SECURITY STRUCTURE IN 11:01:58 WHATEVER AREA THAT HAS BEEN ASSIGNED. 11:02:02 IN OCTOBER OF 2004, ONE DIVISION, FOR BRIGADES -- 11:02:24 I THINK IT IS IMPORTANT FOR PEOPLE TO UNDERSTAND THAT WHILE 11:02:29 THERE ARE WARNING SIGNALS ABOUT SECTARIAN VIOLENCE, THE MOST 11:02:34 IMPORTANT THAT WE HAVE TO KEEP IN MIND IS THAT THE ARMY IS 11:02:39 HOLDING TOGETHER A AND THE GOVERNMENT IS COMMITTED TO 11:02:44 BRINGING THE SECTARIAN VIOLENCE UNDER CONTROL. 11:02:49 SO THE QUESTION IS, AM I OPTIMISTIC WHETHER OR NOT IRAQI 11:02:54 FORCES WITH OUR SUPPORT AND WITH THE BACKING OF THE WRECKING 11:02:59 GOVERNMENT -- >> I HAVE TO SAY THAT I WAS 11:03:12 INCREDIBLY IMPRESSED. WE ALL ARE FAMILIAR WITH 11:03:54 THE IRAQI SOLDIERS ARE FIGHTING, TAKING CASUALTIES, 11:03:59 FIGHTING FOR THEIR NATION AND TRYING TO GET SOME -- SECTARIAN 11:04:04 VIOLENCE IN THE INSURGENCY UNDER CONTROL AND THEY DESERVE AN 11:04:09 ENORMOUS ABOUT -- AMOUNT OF OUR RESPECT AND SUPPORT. 11:04:14 SOMETIMES WE SEEM TO THINK WE ARE THE ONLY FORCES THERE. 11:04:19 WE ARE NOT. THERE ARE OVER 20 20,000 IRAQIS 11:04:23 OUT THERE FIGHTING AND DOING A PRETTY GOOD JOB. 11:04:28 THERE ARE SOME PROBLEMS IN THE ORGANIZATIONS BUT THEY ARE 11:04:33 MATURING AND ARE DOING BETTER. >> AND THEY ARE COMMITTED. 11:04:38 I HAPPEN TO BE IN THE HOMETOWN OF SADDAM HUSSEIN WHEN THE 11:04:43 TRAINING AREA WAS BOMBED BY THE TERRORISTS -- ABOUT 40 OF THEM 11:04:48 WERE EITHER KILLED OR INJURED. THOSE 40 FAMILIES RESUPPLIED A 11:04:53 MEMBER OF THEIR FAMILY TO REPLACE THE ONE THAT WAS KILLED. 11:04:58 I KNOW MY TIME IS EXPIRED, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO ASK THEM TO GIVE 11:05:04 US SOME INFORMATION. I KNOW THE ORGANIZATIONAL 11:05:18 STRUCTURE OF SIMPLE EQUIPMENT AND SUPPLIES IS NOT THERE, BUT I 11:05:23 WANT TO KNOW WHAT YOU'RE DOING TO CORRECT A LOGISTICAL 11:05:28 PROBLEMS. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. 11:05:31 >> SENATOR BEN NELSON? >> THANK YOU, GENTLEMEN, FOR 11:05:36 BEING HERE TODAY. I SINK YOUR TESTIMONY RESPONSE 11:05:41 TO QUESTIONS HAS BEEN VERY HELPFUL. 11:05:44 IN CONNECTION WITH THE NUMBER OF IRAQI TROOPS THAT ARE COMBAT 11:05:50 CAPABLE, OUT OF THE OVER 250,000 SECURITY FORCES THAT ARE THERE, 11:05:55 ARE THERE ANY ESTIMATE OF THE NUMBER THAT WOULD BE COMBAT 11:06:00 CAPABLE? >> SENATOR, FOR THE RECORD, THE 11:06:04 NUMBER OF TRAINED IRAQI POLICE, SECURITY AND IRAQI MILITARY 11:06:10 FORCES, THE NUMBER IS CLOSER TO 275,000. 11:06:15 THE CAPABILITY WAS IN THE ARMY, I THINK AGAIN THE BEST MEASURE 11:06:20 OF THOSE UNITS THAT ARE IN AT THE LEAD, WHICH ARE SORT 11:06:25 DIVISIONS, 21 BRIGADES, AND 77 BATTALIONS, BUT THERE IS A VERY 11:06:31 DETAILED LIST OF WHAT UNIT IS AT WHAT LEVEL THAT WE CAN CERTAINLY 11:06:36 PROVIDE TO YOU. >> THAT WOULD BE VERY HELPFUL. 11:06:41 >> THEY ARE MUCH IMPROVED AND THEY CONTINUE TO IMPROVE. 11:06:46 >> WHICH IS PART OF THE EMPHASIS OF STANDING THERE A MILITARY UP 11:06:51 SO WE CAN STAD HOURS DOWN. THE MORE CAPABLE THEY ARE, 11:06:56 HOPEFULLY THERE SHOULD BE A CONNECTION WITH THE REDUCTION OF 11:07:01 OUR FORCES. IN TERMS OF THE POLICE, LET'S 11:07:05 SAY THE MUNICIPAL POLICE, DO WE KNOW WHAT PERCENTAGE FOR WHAT 11:07:11 NUMBER OF THE TOTAL NUMBER YOU WOULD LOOK AT AS BEING NOT ONLY 11:07:16 CAPABLE THE TRAINED BUT HONEST AND AS PART OF THE OVERALL 11:07:21 GOVERNMENT AS OPPOSED TO A MILITIA? 11:07:25 >> IT IS A DIFFICULT QUESTION TO ANSWER. 11:07:30 THERE ARE SOME PLACES WHERE THE LOCAL POLICE ARE EXCEPTIONALLY 11:07:35 EAST ASIAN AND VERY HONEST AND VERY CAPABLE. 11:07:39 THERE ARE OTHER AREAS WHERE WE KNOW THAT THEY HAVE BEEN 11:07:44 INFILTRATED BY VARIOUS MILITIAS SUCH AS IN WHERE THE FORCES ARE 11:07:49 DOING THEIR BEST TO STAND DOWN THOSE UNITS ON LINE IN THE -- 11:07:55 CAPABLE MANNER. AS FAR AS NATIONAL POLICE FORCE 11:07:59 IS OUR CONCERN BASRA, IN BAD THAT IT IS CLEAR THERE ARE A 11:08:04 NUMBER OF BATTALIONS -- AGAIN, WITHOUT MY NOTES IN FRONT TO ME 11:08:09 -- THERE ARE A NUMBER OF BATTALIONS THAT NEED TO BE STOOD 11:08:14 DOWN AND RETRAINED, AND THEY ARE WORKING TO DO THAT NOW. 11:08:19 >> TO KNOW IF IT IS 50% OR 30 PERCENT? 11:08:23 >> THAT IS NATIONAL POLICE WHICH IS SEPARATE AND DISTINCT FROM 11:08:29 MUNICIPAL. >> I THINK THE DEBATE ABOUT 11:08:33 WHETHER WE HAVE A DATE FOR WITHDRAWAL, WHETHER THERE IS AN 11:08:38 OPEN-ENDED COMMITMENTS, HOPEFULLY THE DEBATE WILL 11:08:42 CONTINUE BUT I WONDER ABOUT AN APPROACH THAT IS DIFFERENT THAN 11:08:48 SETTING A DATE FOR WITHDRAWAL AND TO CLOSE ANY QUESTION ABOUT 11:08:53 WHETHER IT IS AN OPEN ENDED EQUIPMENT WOULD BE BETTER 11:08:58 APPROACHED FORT SETTING CONDITIONS FOR STAYING WITH THE 11:09:02 PRIME MINISTER WITH THE IRAQI GOVERNMENT. 11:09:07 IN OTHER WORDS, THERE IS A LOT OF SLIPPING AS TO HOW WE HAVE 11:09:12 STANDING UP AND STANDING DOWN FROM OUR MILITARY VERSUS THEIR 11:09:17 MILITARY BECAUSE THINGS CHANGE. BUT WE DO HAVE -- DO WE HAVE AN 11:09:22 IDEA OF WHAT THE STAYING CONDITIONS ARE? 11:09:26 THE TIPPING POINT IS THEIR ABILITY OR INABILITY TO GET TO A 11:09:32 CERTAIN LEVEL? THE ABILITY TO GOVERN -- GOVERN 11:09:36 THEMSELVES AS WELL AS SECURE THEMSELVES? 11:09:40 I GUESS I WOULD FEEL MORE COMFORTABLE IF WE CAN ESTABLISH 11:09:45 SOME SORT OF METRICS TO KNOW WHAT IT TAKES IN TERMS OF 11:09:50 PERCENTAGE, NUMBERS, AND WHAT IT WOULD TAKE IN TERMS OF TIME SO 11:09:55 THAT WE CAN SAY THAT THEY ARE CAPABLE OF NOT ONLY GOVERNING 11:10:00 THEMSELVES WITH THE ELECTED GOVERNMENT BUT ALSO IN TERMS OF 11:10:06 SECURING THEMSELVES SO THEY CAN GOVERN THEMSELVES. 11:10:10 I DO NOT KNOW WHO WOULD LIKE TO TAKE THAT QUESTION, BUT I THROW 11:10:16 IT OUT TO ALL THREE OF YOU. >> SENATOR, THE GOVERNMENT HAS 11:10:21 BEEN IN EXISTENCE NOW FORCE THREE MONTHS. 11:10:25 THEY HAVE A LOT OF WORK TO DO TO CEMENT THEIR CAPABILITY, IT IS A 11:10:30 DIFFICULT THING TO DO WITH SECTARIAN VIOLENCE AND 11:10:35 INSURGENTS. I THINK IT IS VERY IMPORTANT FOR 11:10:39 PEOPLE TO UNDERSTAND THAT WHILE THERE MAY BE A MILITARY METRIC 11:10:44 TO UNITS IN THE IRAQI ARMY BETTER EQUIPPED AND TRAINED AND 11:10:49 THEN TAKEN OVER BATTLE SPACE, THERE IS ALSO AN IMPORTANT 11:10:54 POLITICAL ASPECT TO THIS REDUCTION OF SECTARIAN VIOLENCE 11:10:59 WHICH IS THE VARIOUS COMMUNITIES GETTING TOGETHER AND AGREEING 11:11:05 UPON WAYS TO REDUCE SECTARIAN VIOLENCE THEMSELVES. 11:11:09 IT IS IMPORTANT THAT THERE BE A NATIONAL RECONCILIATION EFFORT 11:11:15 AND IT IS IMPORTANT THAT THERE BE AGREED UPON MEASURES TO MOVE 11:11:20 FORWARD WITH VERY SMALL BUSHELS -- MILITIAS OPERATING OUTSIDE 11:11:25 THE GOVERNMENT. I THINK THE COMBINATON WILL 11:11:29 LEAD TO LESS VIOLENCE, ESTABLISHED THE ROLE OF THE 11:11:34 NATIONAL GOVERNMENT IN IRAQ AND ALLOW US TO BRING OUR LEVEL OF 11:11:39 FORCE IS DOWN AS APPROPRIATE. >> SENATOR NELSON, I JUST ADD 11:11:44 THAT THE U.S. AMBASSADOR AND GENERAL KASEY HAVE ESTABLISHED A 11:11:50 COMMITTEE WITH THE NEW IRAQI GOVERNMENT AND THE NATIONAL 11:11:55 SECURITY OFFICIALS IN THAT GOVERNMENT TO ADDRESS THE VERY 11:12:00 ISSUES YOU ARE RAISING AS TO WHAT ARE THE THINGS THAT NEED TO 11:12:05 BE DONE. AS GENERAL ABIZAID DIRECTLY -- 11:12:09 POINTED OUT, IT IS WELL BEYOND THE MILITARY. 11:12:13 >> THANK YOU FOR YOUR ANSWERS. >> SANK, MR. IRVING CHAIRMAN. 11:12:18 MR. SECRETARY, THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE AND FOR YOUR 11:12:23 RESPONSES. I TALKED TO A SOLDIER LAST WEEK 11:12:27 WHO HAS HAD TO DEPLOYMENTS TO IRAQ, AND RAISED A QUESTION 11:12:32 ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT ARE THE OBJECTIVES AND GOALS THAT WE 11:12:37 HAVE IN IRAQ ARE ALIGNED WITH THE GOALS THAT THE IRAQI PEOPLE 11:12:43 HAVE. AND IT SEEMS TO ME IF WE ARE 11:12:46 GOING TO GET CONTROL OF THE SECTARIAN SITUATION THE IRAQI 11:12:51 PEOPLE HAVE TO BUY INTO WHAT IS HAPPENING IN IRAQ. 11:12:56 HIS SUGGESTION WAS THAT THEY HAVE NOT. 11:13:00 I WAS THERE A COUPLE OF MONTHS BACK WITH THE DELEGATION WITH 11:13:05 SENATOR MCCAIN, WE HEAR FROM OBVIOUSLY THE COMMANDERS AND OUR 11:13:10 TROOPS, AND IN MOST CASES WE DID NOT HAVE A LOT OF INTERACTION 11:13:16 WITH IRAQI PEOPLE. BUT I WAS WONDERING IF YOU CAN 11:13:20 TALK ABOUT THE INTERACTION THAT WE HAVE WITH THE IRAQI PEOPLE, 11:13:26 THE TROOPS ON THE GROUND OVER THERE, THE TEMPERATURE IN TERMS 11:13:31 OF THEIR WILLINGNESS TO BE PART OF A NATIONAL UNITY GOVERNMENT, 11:13:36 A DEMOCRATIC IRAQ AND THAT SORT OF THING RELATIVE TO WHAT WE'RE 11:13:42 TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH. THIS IS ONE SOLDIER WHO SAYS HE 11:13:46 VISITS WITH THEM OVER TIME AND SAYS THERE GOALS ARE NOT ALIGNED 11:13:52 WITH OURS. >> THERE ARE CERTAINLY PEOPLE IN 11:13:56 IRAQ WHO DO NOT WANT THE COUNTRY TO COME TOGETHER AS AN 11:14:01 INDEPENDENT STATE. THERE ARE TERRORIST GROUPS THAT 11:14:06 WANT IRAQ TO DESCEND INTO ANARCHY AND CHAOS SO THEY CAN 11:14:10 ESTABLISH SAFE HAVENS FOR TERRORISTS. 11:14:14 BUT I THINK AS I GO AROUND AND TALK TO OFFICERS AND GOVERNMENT 11:14:20 OFFICIALS AND PEOPLE SORT OUT WHAT COUNTRY, AND I THINK THE 11:14:25 GENERAL WILL ECHO THIS, THE MAJORITY WANT IRAQ TO COME 11:14:30 TOGETHER AS A FREE AND INDEPENDENT NATION CAPABLE OF 11:14:34 BEING A MEANINGFUL MEMBER -- MEMBER OF THE COMMUNITY OF 11:14:39 NATIONS IN THAT PART OF THE WORLD NOT DOMINATED BY IRANIANS 11:14:44 OR SUNNI EXTREMISTS GROUPS. I KNOW THEY HAVE TO FIGHT TO 11:14:49 ACHIEVE THAT. >> IT IS NOT SURPRISING, 11:14:53 SENATOR, THAT AN AMERICAN SOLDIER WOULD VISIT WITH THE 11:14:58 IRAQIS AND SEE THAT THEY DO HAVE A DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVE. 11:15:03 THEY HAVE A DFFERENT HISTORY AND IS FULLY UNDERSTANDABLE. 11:15:08 ON THE OTHER HAND, 12 MILLION OF THEM WENT OUT AND VOTED AND 11:15:13 FASHIONED A CONSTITUTION AND RATIFIED IT. 11:15:18 IT IS THERE FOR THE WORLD TO SEE, AND THEY HAVE BEEN VOTING 11:15:23 IN INCREASING NUMBERS. GENERAL ABIZAID IS CERTAINLY 11:15:27 RIGHT THAT THERE ARE SOME WHO WANT TO TAKE BACK THE COUNTRY, 11:15:33 AND THOSE WHO WANT TO DOMINATE IT TO THE DETRIMENT OF THE 11:15:38 SUNNIS, BUT THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS THAT 12,000,001 OUT 11:15:43 AND VOTED FOR THAT CONSTITUTION, AND THAT IS SOMETHING IMPORTANT. 11:15:48 >> I APPRECIATE YOUR COMMENT THAT I HEARD YOU MAKE PREVIOUSLY 11:15:53 AS WELL THAT THE FORCES WHO WANT TO HOLD TO -- THE COUNTRY 11:15:58 TOGETHER ARE GREATER THAN THOSE WHO WANT TO SEE IT FAIL. 11:16:03 BUT I JUST WANTED TO GET YOUR ASSESSMENT OF THE GROUND, 11:16:08 AVERAGE IRAQI ON THE STREET VIEW OF WHAT IS HAPPENING THERE 11:16:13 BECAUSE IT SEEMS TO ME AT LEAST THAT THAT IS A KEY COMPONENT IN 11:16:19 THE STARTING TO TURN OVER INFORMATION ON SOME OF THE BAD 11:16:24 GUYS THAT ARE COMMITTING THE VIOLENCE. 11:16:28 ONE OTHER QUESTION HAS TO DO IT AGAIN WITH THE BORDERS AND HOW 11:16:33 ARE WE DOING WITH RESPECT TO IRAN AND SYRIA, THE FOREIGN ARMS 11:16:38 THAT SERVE AS THE LIFEBLOOD TO THE INSURGENT GROUPS. 11:16:43 ARE THE IRAQIS SEEING THAT AS A SIRET TO SOVEREIGNTY AND ARE 11:16:48 THEY DOING THE WORK TO PROTECT THE BORDERS AND MAKING SURE THAT 11:16:53 THE ARMS THAT ARE COMING IN ARE BEING CUT OFF. 11:16:58 I'D ASK QUESTIONS ABOUT IBM IMPROVISED EXPLOSIVE DEVICES, 11:17:03 AND HOW THEY GET MATERIALS TO MAKE THEM AND IT SEEMS LIKE IT'S 11:17:08 COMING FROM THESE OTHER COUNTRIES. 11:17:12 I KNOW IT IS IMPOSSIBLE WITH THE LENGTH OF THE BORDERS TO 11:17:17 COMPLETELY SHUT IT OFF, BUT ARE THERE MEASURES BEING TAKEN TO 11:17:22 REGULATE WHAT IS COMING IN? >> YES, SENATOR. 11:17:27 THERE IS A BORDER FORCE AFFECTED AND SOME AREAS, AND LESS 11:17:32 EFFECTIVE IN OTHERS. THE SYRIAN BORDER REMAINS THE 11:17:36 PRIMARY CONDUIT FOR FOREIGN FIGHTERS. 11:17:40 I THINK THE NUMBERS REMAIN AT LESS THAN 100 THAT ARE 11:17:45 TRANSITING BACK AND FORTH. DEMOLITIONS -- THE MUNITIONS 11:17:50 USED INSIDE IRAQ COME FROM IRAQ. THERE ARE SMUGGLING GROUPS THAT 11:17:55 IRANIAN REVOLUTIONARY GUARD PEOPLE ARE USING TO BRING IN 11:18:00 INTERNET -- IMPROVISED EXPLOSIVE DEVICES IN THE SOUTH. 11:18:05 IT IS CLEAR THAT HAT HAS TAKEN PLACE. 11:18:09 > THOSE WEAPONS THAT WERE DISCOVERED, HASN'T BEEN 11:18:14 DETERMINED THAT THOSE ARE LEFTOVERS FROM THE PREVIOUS 11:18:19 REGIME OF THOSE FLOODED IN FROM OTHER COUNTRIES? 11:18:23 >> I WOULD HAVE TO SEE THE SPECIFC REPORT. 11:18:27 THERE ARE WEAPONS FOUND EVERY DAY. 11:18:31 >> WE HAVE HAD 420,000 TONS OF MUNITIONS CAPTURED AND DESTROYED 11:18:37 IN SOME OF 14,000 LOCATIONS. SO IT IS A HUGE LOCATION THAT WE 11:18:42 FIND IT EVERYDAY. > THANK YOU. 11:18:45 AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR OUTSTANDING SERVICE TO YOUR 11:18:50 COUNTRY. MR. CHAIRMAN, I YIELD BACK. 11:18:54 >> SENATOR CLINTON? >> SANK YOU VERY MUCH, SENATOR 11:18:59 MCCAIN. MR. SECRETARY, I AM GLAD YOU ARE 11:19:03 HERE. IN YOUR OPENING STATEMENT YOU 11:19:07 REFERENCE THE COMMON SENSE OF AMERICANS. 11:19:11 I SINK IT IS FAIR TO SAY IT THE COLLECTIVE COMMON SENSE 11:19:16 OVERWHELMINGLY THIS NOT EITHER UNDERSTAND OR APPROVE OF THE WAY 11:19:21 YOU OR THE ADMINISTRATION ARE HANDLING IRAQ AND AFGHANISTAN. 11:19:26 UNDER YOUR LEADERSHIP THERE HAVE BEEN ERRORS IN JUDGMENT THAT 11:19:31 HAVE LED US WHERE WE ARE IN IRAQ AND AFGHANISTAN. 11:19:36 WE HAVE A FULL-FLEDGED INSURGENCY AND SECTARIAN 11:19:40 CONFLICT IN IRAQ. WHETHER YOU LABEL IT A CIVIL WAR 11:19:45 OR NOT, -- IT HAS CREATED A SITUATION OF EXTREME VIOLENCE 11:19:50 AND LOSS OF LIFE AMONG OUR TROOPS AND THE IRAQIS. 11:19:55 WE DID NOT GO INTO IRAQ WITH ENOUGH TROOPS TO ESTABLISH LAW 11:20:00 AND ORDER. HE DISBANDED THE ENTIRE IRAQI 11:20:04 ARMY, NOW TRYING TO RECREATE IT. DID NOT DO ENOUGH PLANNING FOR 11:20:09 PHASE 4 AND REJECTED ALL THE PLANNING THAT HAD BEEN DONE 11:20:14 PREVIOUSLY TO MAINTAIN STABILITY AFTER THE REGIME WAS OVERTHROWN. 11:20:20 NEW UNDERESTIMATED THE NATURE AND STRENGTH OF THIS INSURGENCY, 11:20:25 SECTARIAN VIOLENCE, AND SPREAD OF IRANIAN INFLUENCE. 11:20:30 LAST YEAR CONGRESS PASSED THE UNITED STATES POLICY IN IRAQ ACT 11:20:35 THAT I SUPPORTED. IT DECLARES 2006 TO BE A YEAR OF 11:20:40 SIGNIFICANT TRANSITION TO FULL IRAQI SOVEREIGNTY WITH IRAQI 11:20:45 SECURITY FORCES TAKING THE LEAD IN THE SECURITY OF A FREE AND 11:20:50 SOVEREIGN IRAQ, CREATING CONDITIONS FOR THE PHASE 11:20:54 REDEPLOYMENT. HOWEVER WE APPEAR TO BE MOVING 11:20:59 IN THE OPPOSITE DIRECTION. THE NUMBER OF U.S. TROOPS IN 11:21:04 IRAQ ARE SCHEDULED TO INCREASE, AND NOT DECREASE, AND THAT IS 11:21:09 THE ONLY WAY I THINK YOU CAN FAIRLY CONSIDER THE DECISION 11:21:14 WITH RESPECT TO THE 172ND STRIKER BRIGADE. 11:21:18 MR. SECRETARY, AS WE RETURNED TO OUR STATES BEFORE THE AUGUST 11:21:23 RECESS, CONSTITUENTS HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT THE CURRENT 11:21:28 STATE OF AFFAIRS. I DO NOT NEED TO REMIND ANY OF 11:21:33 US THAT WE CONTINUE TO LOSE OUR YOUNG MEN AND WOMEN, 120 FROM 11:21:38 NEW YORK ALONE. BESIDE THE U.S. LOSSES, OF 11:21:42 VIOLENCE DOES SEEM TO BE INCREASING. 11:21:46 FROM JANUARY TO JUNE THERE WERE OVER 14,000 IRAQI CIVILIAN 11:21:51 CASUALTIES, AT LEAST AS FAR AS ANYONE CAN COUNT. 11:21:56 IN A JULY 22 ARTICLE IN THE NEW YORK TIMES JOURNAL OF THE SEA 11:22:01 WAS QUOTED AS SAYING -- TWO MONTHS AFTER THE IRAQI 11:22:06 GOVERNMENT HAS TAKEN OFFICE, THE SECURITY GAINS HAVE NOT BEEN 11:22:11 ACHIEVED. THEN THERE WAS THE BIG 11:22:14 ANNOUNCEMENT ABOUT THE COMMITMENT OF THE NEW IRAQI 11:22:19 GOVERNMENT TO SECURE BAGHDAD. TWO MONTHS INTO THAT IT IS CLEAR 11:22:24 IT IS NOT WORKING AND WE ARE NOW PUTTING IN MORE AMERICAN TROOPS, 11:22:30 AND FOLLOWING THE LEAD OF SENATOR MCCAIN, REMOVING THEM 11:22:35 FROM OTHER PLACES THAT ARE HARDLY STABLE AND SECURE. 11:22:39 IN AFGHANISTAN YOUR ADMINISTRATION'S CREDIBILITY IS 11:22:44 ALSO SUSPECT. IN DECEMBER 2002 YOU SAID THE 11:22:48 TALIBAN WAS GONE, INTO OUT -- THE PRESIDENT ALSO SAID IT IS NO 11:22:54 LONGER IN EXISTENCE. IN 2005 ATTACKS BY THE CALIBAN 11:22:58 AND OTHER ANTI COALITION FORCES WERE UP 20%, AND THESE 11:23:03 INSURGENTS WERE A GREATER THREAT TO THE AFGHAN GOVERNMENT EFFORTS 11:23:09 TO EXPAND ITS AUTHORITY SINCE ANY TIME SINCE 2001. 11:23:13 FURTHER, GENERAL EIKENBERRY MADE A COMMENT ABOUT THE DANGERS THAT 11:23:19 ARE NOW OF GOING ON IN AFGHANISTAN AND THE FAILURE TO 11:23:24 BE ABLE TO SECURE IT. OBVIOUSLY I COULD GO ON AND ON. 11:23:28 IN A RECENT BOOK APTLY TITLED FIASCO DESCRIBES IN SOME DETAIL 11:23:34 THE DECISION MAKING APPARATUS THAT HAS LED US TO THIS 11:23:38 SITUATION. SO, MR. SECRETARY, WHEN OUR 11:23:42 CONSTITUENTS ASK FOR EVIDENCE THAT YOUR POLICY IN IRAQ AND 11:23:48 AFGHANISTAN WILL BE SUCCESSFUL, YOU DO NOT LEAVE US WITH MUCH TO 11:23:53 TALK ABOUT. YES, WE HEAR ABOUT HAPPY TALK 11:23:57 AND ROSY SCENARIOS, BECAUSE OF THE ADMINISTRATION IS STRATEGIC 11:24:02 BLUNDERS AND FRANKLY THE RECORD OF INCOMPETENCE IN EXECUTING, 11:24:08 YOU ARE PRESIDING OVER A FAILED POLICY. 11:24:12 GIVEN YOUR TRACK RECORD, SECRETARY OF RUMSFELD, WHY 11:24:16 SHOULD WE BELIEVE YOUR ASSURANCES NOW? 11:24:20 >> MY GOODNESS. FIRST, -- I TRIED TO MAKE NOTES 11:24:25 AND FOLLOW THE PREPARED STATEMENT SAID YOU HAVE 11:24:29 PRESENTED. FIRST OF ALL, IT IS TRUE THAT 11:24:33 THERE IS SECTARIAN STRIFE IN IRAQ AND IT IS A LOSS OF LIFE 11:24:38 AND IT IS UNFORTUNATE AND TRAGIC THAT THIS HAS TAKEN PLACE. 11:24:44 IT IS TRUE THAT THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO ARE ATTEMPTING TO PREVENT 11:24:49 THAT GOVERNMENT FROM BEING SUCCESSFUL. 11:24:53 AND AS THEY ARE THE PEOPLE WHO ARE BLOWING UP BUILDINGS AND 11:24:58 KILLING INNOCENT MEN AND WOMEN AND CHILDREN AND TAKING OFF THE 11:25:03 HEADS OF PEOPLE ON TELEVISION. AND AT THE IDEA THAT THEY ARE 11:25:08 PREVAILING IS UNACCEPTABLE. SECONDLY, WE'VE SAID THE NUMBER 11:25:14 OF TROOPS WERE WRONG. I GUESS HISTORY WILL MAKE A 11:25:18 JUDGMENT. THE NUMBER OF TROOPS THAT WENT 11:25:22 IN AND THE NUMBER OF TROOPS THERE EVERY MONTH SINCE AND THE 11:25:27 NUMBER TODAY REFLECTED THE BEST JUDGMENT OF THE MILITARY 11:25:32 COMMANDERS ON THE GROUND, THEIR SUPERIORS, THE GENERAL PACE, 11:25:38 GENERAL ABIZAID, THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES. 11:25:42 I THINK IT IS NOT CORRECT TO ASSUME THEY WERE WRONG NUMBERS. 11:25:48 AND I DO NOT THINK THE EVIDENCE SUGGEST THAT ENDED WOULD BE 11:25:53 INTERESTING TO SEE WHAT HISTORY BESIDES. 11:25:57 THE BALANCE BETWEEN HAVING TOO MANY AND CONTRIBUTING TO AN 11:26:02 INSURGENCY BY THE FEELING OF OCCUPATION AND THE RISK OF 11:26:07 HAVING TOO FEW AND HAVING THE SECURITY SITUATION NOT BE 11:26:12 SUFFICIENT FOR POLITICAL PROGRESS TO GO FORWARD, IS A 11:26:16 COMPLICATED SET OF DECISIONS, AND I DID NOT KNOW THAT THERE IS 11:26:22 ANY GUIDE BOOK THAT TELLS YOU HOW TO DO WITH. 11:26:26 NO RULE BOOK, NO HISTORY FOR THIS, AND THE JUDGMENTS THAT 11:26:31 HAVE BEEN MADE HAVE BEEN MADE BY EXCEEDINGLY WELL TRAINED PEOPLE. 11:26:37 THE GENTLEMAN SITTING NEXT TO ME, THE PEOPLE ON THE GROUND IN 11:26:42 IRAQ. THEY WERE STUDIED AND EXAMINED 11:26:46 AND ANALYZED BY CIVILIAN LEADERSHIP AND THE PRESIDENT AND 11:26:51 THEY WERE CONFIRMED. SO I THINK YOUR ASSERTION IS AT 11:26:55 LEAST DEBATABLE. THE IDEA THAT THE ARMY WAS 11:27:00 DISBANDED IS I THINK ONE THAT IS FLYING AROUND. 11:27:04 MIGHT IMPRESSION IS THAT TO THE GREATEST EXTET THAT ARMY 11:27:09 DISBANDED ITSELF -- IT WAS MADE UP OF A LOT OF SHIITE CONSCRIPTS 11:27:15 THAT DID NOT WANT TO BE IN ITS, AND MANY HUNDREDS OF SUNNIS WHO 11:27:20 WERE NOT ABOUT TO HANG AROUND AFTER SADDAM HUSSEIN AND HIS 11:27:25 SONS AND THAT ADMINISTRATION WAS REPLACED. 11:27:29 THE WORK TO BUILD A NEW ARMY HAS INCLUDED AN AWFUL LOT OF PEOPLE 11:27:35 FROM THE PRIOR ORMY AND IT HAS BENEFITED FROM THAT. 11:27:39 CERTAINLY, THE ASSERTION THAT THE GOVERNMENT REJECTED ALL OF 11:27:44 THE PLANNING THAT HAD BEEN DONE BEFORE IS SIMPLY FALSE. 11:27:49 IT IS NOT THE CASE. THE PLANNING THAT WAS DONE IT 11:27:54 WAS TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT BY THE PEOPLE EXECUTING THE POST MAJOR 11:27:59 COMBAT. THE COMMENTS ABOUT BAD DEBT, 11:28:03 I'LL POSSIBLY LET GENERAL ABIZAID COMMENT ON. 11:28:07 THE GOAL IS NOT TO HAVE U.S. FORCES DO WITH THE HEAVY LIFTING 11:28:13 IN BAGHDAD. THERE ARE MANY, MANY MORE IRAQI 11:28:17 FORCES IN BAGHDAD. THE ROLE OF THE U.S. FORCES IS 11:28:22 TO HELP THEM, PROVIDE LOGISTICS, ASSIST THEM AS NEEDED, AND TO 11:28:27 CREATE A PRESENCE THAT WILL ALLOW THE IRAQI SECURITY FORCES 11:28:32 TO SUCCEED AND THEN AS OUR FORCES STEPPED BACK IT ALLOWS 11:28:37 THE IRAQI SECURITY FORCES TO BE SUFFICIENT TO MAINTAIN ORDER IN 11:28:42 THIS CITY. I CANNOT PREDICT IF IT WILL WORK 11:28:47 THIS TIME. IT MAY OR MAY NOT, BUT IT 11:28:50 HAPPENS TO REPRESENT THE BEST JUDGMENT OF THE GENERALS AND THE 11:28:56 MILITARY LEADERSHIP, AND GENERAL ABIZAID AND GENERAL PACE AND I 11:29:01 HAVE REVIEWED IT AND WE FEEL IT IS A SENSIBLE APPROACH. 11:29:06 AFGHANISTAN -- I DO NOT KNOW WHO SAID WHAT ABOUT WHETHER TALIBAN 11:29:11 IS GONE, BUT THE TALENT AND THAT WAS RULING AFGHANISTAN WERE 11:29:17 REPLACED AND REPLACED BY AN ELECTION THAT TOOK PLACE IN THAT 11:29:22 COUNTRY. IN TERMS OF THE GOVERNMENT OR 11:29:26 GOVERNMENT ENTITY, THEY WERE GONE, AND THAT IS THE FACT. 11:29:31 ARE THERE STILL SOME OF THEM AROUND, YOU BET. 11:29:35 ARE THEY IN PAKISTAN AND OTHER PLACES, CERTAINLY. 11:29:40 IS THE VIOLENCE UP? YES. 11:29:43 DOES IT TEND TO BE U IN THE SUMMER, SPRING, SUMMER AND FALL 11:29:48 MONTHS? YES. 11:29:51 AND IT DECLINED TO THE WINTER. DOES THAT REPRESENT A FAILED 11:29:56 POLICY? I DO NOT KNOW. 11:29:59 I THINK WE HAVE AN AWFUL LOT OF TALENTED PEOPLE IN ENGAGED IN 11:30:04 THIS AND THE DECISIONS ARE MADE WITH GREAT CARE AFTER A GREAT 11:30:09 DEAL OF CONSIDERATION. ARTHUR SETBACKS AND THINGS THAT 11:30:14 PEOPLE CANNOT ANTICIPATE? DOES THE ENEMY HAVE A BRAIN AND 11:30:19 MAKES ADJUSTMENTS ON THE GROUND, REQUIRING US TO DO THE SAME? 11:30:24 YES. IS THE PROBLEM GOING TO BE 11:30:28 SOLVED IN THE NEAR TERM, THIS LONG STRUGGLE AGAINST EXTREMISM? 11:30:33 NO, I THINK IT WILL TAKE TIME. SOME WARS HAVE LASTED THREE 11:30:38 YEARS, SOME FOUR YEARS, FIVE YEARS -- THE COLD WAR LASTED 11:30:43 OVER 40 YEARS AND THE STRUGGLE AGAINST VIOLENT EXTREMISTS WHO 11:30:49 ARE DETERMINED TO PREVENT PEOPLE FROM EXERCISING THEIR RIGHTS IS 11:30:54 GOING TO GO ON A LONG TIME AND IT IS GOING TO BE TOUGH. 11:30:59 IT DOES NOT MEAN WE HAVE TO SPEND THE REST OF OUR LIVES AS