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NEWSFEED: 1/24-30/06 LOTS ABOUT PALESTINIAN ELECTION RESULTS, SAM ALITO, PROTESTS, LOW KEY AUTOMOBILE SHOW ;CO ARMY INTERROGATOR SENTENCED officer walking around compound. CO HORSE RESCUE paramedics hauling horse on ground; People around horse in snowy corral. CO COURT MARTIAL t/h. CANADA HARPE VICTORY rally. PA BRONCOS FAN Beaver Falls high school ;TED KENNEDY ON ALITO. NO TITLE bird flu scare, men at bird market, man on hospital bed ;PAKISTAN PROTEST men march with signs, riot police standing by. MIDDLE EAST ELECTIONS GAZA HS Palestinian city, lots of flags ;Morning street scenes, open market. RAMALLAH WEST BANK rainy day street scenes, security, man reading newspaper ;IRAQ VIDEO OF GERMAN HOSTAGES w/Al Jazeerah crawl. BRAD PITT & ANGELINA JOLIE AT WEF MEETING seated, Kofi Anan speaking ;FILE JOAQUIN PHOENIX name on marquee, NX t/h. CHINA PETS poodle being groomed by professional, little dogs in cages; Trainer with dog which has been dyed blue doing tricks. Int obedience school, little dogs in animal rescuers house ;MIDDLE EAST MAHMOUD ABBAS PRAYERS men sitting on carpet rise, Muslims bowing. HASTY PUDDING Halle Berry receives award; Richard Gere chatting, interview. ALITO KERRY WANTS FILIBUSTER Kerry & Alito photo-op, Alito being questioned by panel ;VA VIETNAM VET REUNITED W/DOG TAGS woman presents them, t/h. NC SMART CAR wacky customized car, PT Cruiser (?); Luxury car, motorcycle (hey! 'Smart CAR', guy!), hybrid engine in Cruiser, golf cart type, Minicooper, super-compact car ;CO DRIVER BUSTED for putting a dummy in the passenger seat to use the carpool lane. Not the most realistic dummy; MIDDLE EAST JERUSALEM HAMAS RALLY crowd waving green flags. FILE CHALLENGER EXPLOSION excerpts, Reagan address ;INSECTS BEETLE MANIA giant beetles, beetle fad in Japanese kids video arcade, kid playing with live beetles ;Kid looks at collectors cards, beetle toys. MIDDLE EAST PALESTINIAN ELECTION Bush chuckles about anti-Israel political parties ;National Security Agency sign, telephone switchboard sort of thing, total 'file footage' Arab terrorists al queda ;NX Capitol dome, Bush speaking some jibba-jabba, Abramov. MIDDLE EAST PALESTINIAN ELECTION Joe Biden t/h ;QM2 PASSENGERS Queen Mary II at dock, samba dancers on dock welcome tourists. FILE HOME SALES house w/real estate sign ;MIDDLE EAST FATAH PROTEST NX crowd waving yellow flags, burning van (it was a sacrificial van), man speaking ;MIDDLE EAST GAZA VIOLENCE a quiet riot, people standing around burning tires, roadblock, banners, charred van ;Man sweeping street, kids looking thru gate. RUSSIA PROTEST ARMY CASE crowd outside bldg, hardly any signs; IRAQ NEW HOSTAGE VIDEO hostages w/Al Jazeera crawl. POLAND COLLAPSE bldg w/damaged roof, men shovel snow off roof ;Polish police car, police stand by fire, interesting lamps left in memorial, street cars & peds, traffic, newspaper vendor ;MN MINERS TRAPPED NX Mosaic Mine Company, office bldg during snowfall, snow illuminated by street lamp ;INDONESIA MUSLIMS PROTEST PLAYBOY quiet crowd, well-equipped with signs, burning magazine ;SAMUEL ALITO SENATE DEBATE Ted Kennedy, some other guy ;

A MAN HIJACKS AN 18 WHEELER AND GOES ON A WILD RIDE THROUGH PHOENIX AND GLENDALE. POLICE GIVE CHASE -- AND FOR ABOUT 40 MINUTES -- THE TRUCK IS FOLLOWED THROUGH STOP SIGNS, INTERSECTIONS, RED LIGHTS, PEOPLE AND CARS ARE SCATTERING TO GET OUT OF THE WAY.  POLICE ARE FOLLOWING AND THE ENTIRE EVENT IS CAPTURED LIVE!. THE CHASE LOOKS JUST LIKE THE SIMPSON LOW SPEED HIGHWAY CHASE IN THE WHITE BRONCO -- ONLY THIS ONE HAS THE POLICE FOLLOWING AN 18 WHEEL SEMI-TRUCK. THE TRUCK FINALLY STOPS WHEN THE DRIVER TRYS TO TURN A CORNER TO SLOWLY, ALMOST HITTING A VAN IN THE PROCESS, AND THE MOTOR DIES. POLICE SWARM ALL OVER THE CAB AND DRAG THE DRIVER OUT.HE IS ARRESTED -- AGAIN -- ALL LIVE ON CAMERA. WHAT WAS IN THE TRUCK THAT PEOPLE RISKED LIFE AND LIMB TO STOP???? 80 THOUSAND POUNDS OF CHOCOLATE PUDDING.

Monday, April 25 2016 President Barack Obama and German Chancellor Angela Merkel remarks and tour Hannover Messe Trade Fair - HOST TV DC SLUG: 0250 WH GERMANY HOST TV FS35 75 NYRS: WASH-5/4525/5595 03:01:15 PRESIDENT OBAMA: Guten morgen! Once again, I want to thank Chancellor Merkel and everyone here at Hannover Messe for welcoming us. Angela and I already spoke last night. I'm giving a speech later this morning. So I'm going to be very brief. As I said last night, so much of our global economy and the growth that creates jobs is driven by the spirit of innovation --discovery, invention -- and then turning those ideas into new products, companies, new industries, new services that create good jobs. So here at the U.S. Pavilion, we are proud to showcase America's commitment to innovation. You'll see pioneering companies that are changing the way that we live, the way that we work, the way that we learn. So this is another chance for me to tell everyone to come here and buy "Made in America." (Applause.) Last night, I also talked about why companies around the world that are looking for where to set up shop should select America. And here at the pavilion, you'll find states, cities and communities from across the United States who are ready to welcome you with open arms. 03:04:20 Of course, Angela may have different ideas when we go to the German pavilion. (Laughter.) But this friendly competition is healthy. It is what has made our two countries some of the most competitive in the world, our workers the best in the world, our products the best in the world. So, again, I want to thank Angela and everyone at Hannover Messe. I expect that as a result of this great event, we'll see more partnerships, more trade, and more good jobs for our people on both sides of the Atlantic. Angela and I are going to go check out some exhibits, but first I know that she wants to say a few words as well. (Applause.) 03:06:05 CHANCELLOR MERKEL: (As interpreted.) Mr. President, dear Barack, I am delighted that we are able to welcome so many guests from the United States here today. You have more than 400 exhibiters, more than 400 companies that are presenting their goods, that are presenting their products here this year as guest country, as partner country of the Hannover Fair. And I'm very much looking forward that later on we're going to take a tour and we're going to be presented very tangible examples of what companies produce here and what the companies themselves are doing. Well, I think I can safely speak on behalf of the German business community as well when I welcome you most cordially -- you, the representatives of your companies here -- as friends. We know you are our friends, you are partners. But you're also very strong companies, and we know that you want to present your product here. You want to be strong. But our companies, too, want to present their products, want to be strong, they want to learn from you. We want to learn from each other. We want to get closer to each other, because we both want to shape innovation. We want to be forward-looking in this world of tomorrow. And I think that all of us are very interested in bringing our products to bear in this world that is so interesting -- to present our products here at the Hannover Fair. And I hope and trust that this Hannover Fair, again, will be a highlight of the best of production and of trade. And it is a top of the world event as regards industrial trade fairs, and we trust that it's going to be the same this year again. But I think we should not forget that the companies are presenting themselves here during this industrial trade fair, but behind companies are always and invariably the members of the workforce. Workers, ordinary Americans want to secure their jobs -- and ordinary Germans, for that matter -- who want safe jobs, who want to secure their jobs, and who want to work for their prospects. And so that's never an abstract concept. But it's also so that such an industrial fair also is about people, about people on both sides of the Atlantic. So what we have here today is also a piece of America that we see and that we meet. And again, a very warm welcome to all of you. (Applause.) (Speaks in English.) And now I learn the proof of the pudding is the eating. Let's try it. (Laughter and applause.) 03:09:52 shaking hands, walking off stage POOL NOTES FROM SERENA MARSHALL: Immediately following Merkel remarks POTUS began the tour. 03:11:25 The first stop was a desktop 3D printer. (MakerGear) based out of Ohio. Lt governor of Ohio present. The product made in Ohio- Rick pollack--founder and CEO explained the made in Ohio product. They showed a 3D hand. POTUS commented on how low cost and compact. Pollack said if you can program this you can do the big ones too. POTUS: you guys are doing a great job. Let me ask how much does a relatively small 3D printer like this cost? $1328 (?). Merkel--off mic--asked how long it took to print one of the items... POTUS said he might have to get one. Rick said it would look great in Oval Office... POTUS; "Will have a lot of time on his hands" once out of oval. 03:16:19 2) was LA. WORLD TRADE CENTER LOS ANGELES DISPLAY. (Couldn't get presenters names). They showed him some handheld thing that can grab on to stuff in space like "a gecko" POTUS wanted to translate gecko is German...but told it was the same. Told it can hold 20lbs. Said "chancellor merkels a scientist she can figure this out quickly. ...then said it reminds him of Spider-Man but we were being ushered off to third stop so comment not on cam. 03:20:44 3) think Kentucky. Presenter said all the things Kentucky has--obama mentioned bourbon--product they showed will launch to iss in about 6 weeks... Said the red box is one of the experiments. Obama asked what the box enables. Response: quick integration of designs. POTUS: notion is. If I'm a company and I want to see if new way to improve Semi conductors. I can use this to test certain processes. The data will come back to me and conceivable I might find some.. To improve semiconductors... 03:26:14 4) autodesk. presenter was a silver medal winner cyclist. ... About a 3-D printed prosthetic. She said first one she got she was able to test it. And the second version was in her hand. "Hopefully help me win medals in rio" POTUS asked how 3-D printing helped in design? --can be done much quicker now. Produce new shapes and make it lighter. (Off cam--had to move again, reminder we are moving with a very large press group including international media) you are in training now... You look very fit like you are ready to go. ... But I have to root for AMERICAN team 03:43:19 #5) Phoenix Contact (he spoke in German. Couldn't understand but got quick translation) Delorean on site. A quick charging device that produce plugs--during coffee break can charge cars to go 650 km. CEO in German said its like back to the future. POTUS responded: it's a great movie. I'm going to get her a copy. To laughter. Up to 350,000 wats. 5 minutes for 100 km. POTUS: is this going to work for electric cars a variety of different models?... Industry... All setting up standard charger. Answer:: connector itself... Yes. Merkel (German) how much is it? He punted. Obama said: you want more volume. More units. We can lower the price. He rejected requests to sit or go next to the car. Seemed a little intimidated. Said something like "that's old car" 03:52:52 6) Ifm Stiftung (arrived 9:53). This one on host I think? Preset camera here. Presenter speaking German. A translator stood next to POTUS translating. Smallest 3D camera on the world. POTUS put some virtual eye glasses on! And Merkel. POTUS then re-explained how the product worked back to those that explained it to him... He asked how it applies to consumers. Answer: how you can wear your smartphone on vr and share the same space with daughter for example. 04:01:30 7) Siemens/Callaway(arrived 10:01) (Speaking in German) about digitalization. Will affect industry in the future. And company cherishes partnership with the United States. From planning and design to real manufacturers. POTUS: Siemens is a great company. Appreciate your presence in the United States... The applications of this are very very broad. Was gifted a golf club and Merkel too. Said "I'm going to teach Angela how to play"

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1500 HSE OVERSIGHT BORDER CHILDREN DAIS FS7 X79 The Trump Administration's Child Separation Policy: Substantiated Allegations of Mistreatment Date: Friday, July 12, 2019 Time: 10:00am Location: 2154 Rayburn House Office Building, Washington, DC 20515 AGENDA: Between April 2018 and June 2018, the Trump Administration separated at least 2,800 children from their parents at the southern border under the "zero tolerance" policy that Attorney General Jeff Sessions instituted in April 2018 and a related policy that DHS Secretary Kirstjen Nielsen instituted a few weeks later to refer all parents who made unauthorized border crossings for prosecution. In January 2019, the Inspector General of the Department of Health and Human Services issued a report finding that the Trump Administration may have separated "thousands" of additional children before the zero tolerance policy went into effect. In addition, the Trump Administration recently admitted to separating an additional 700 children from their parents at the border after June 2018. Recent reports have identified deteriorating conditions in border facilities where children are being detained. For example, reports from the Inspector General of the Department of Homeland Security have highlighted overcrowded, unhealthy, and unsafe conditions in these facilities, and they have warned that these issues need to be addressed immediately to mitigate health and safety risks. Other recent reports have raised concerns about racist, sexist, and xenophobic views expressed by some Border Patrol officers regarding detained immigrants through a secret Facebook group. WITNESSES: Panel 1 Rep. Veronica Escobar (D-TX) Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-NY) Rep. Ayanna Pressley (D-MA) Rep. Rashida Tlaib (D-MI) Rep. Debbie Lesko (R-AZ) Minority Witness Rep. Michael Cloud (R-TX) Minority Witness Rep. Andy Biggs (R-AZ) Minority Witness Rep. Chip Roy (R-TX) Minority Witness Panel 2 Jennifer L. Costello Acting Inspector General Department of Homeland Security Ann Maxwell Asst.Inspector General for Evaluation and Inspections, U.S. Department of Health and Human Services Elora Mukherjee Jerome L. Greene Clinical Professor of Law Columbia Law School Jennifer Nagda Policy Director ,Young Center for Immigrant Children's Rights Thomas D. Homan Former Acting Director, U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement HOMAN THE MORE WE ENTICE PEOPLE TO MAKE THIS JOURNEY 31% OF WOMEN ARE BEING RAPED, CHILDREN ARE DYING AND I SAID MONTHS AGO IF WE DON'T CLOSE THE LOOPHOLES MORE WOMEN WILL BE RAPED AND MORE CHILDREN WILL DIE. NO ONE IS LISTENING. 15:00:42 THERE ARE TWO THINGS WE CAN DO TO FIX THIS. IF CONGRESS DOESN'T LIKE WHAT I SAID IN CBP DO, DO YOUR JOB AND FIX IT. CONGRESS HAS FAILED. PEOPLE AND THEY WOULD RATHER POINT TO MANY WOMEN OF I.C.E. WHO HAVE AN AMERICAN FLAG ON THE SHOULDER AND SERVE THEIR NATION. I'M EXTERNALLY FRUSTRATED BECAUSE WHAT I'VE SEEN TODAY IS MISLEADING THE AMERICAN PEOPLE. PEOPLE ARE DYING. NOT IN I.C.E. CUSTODY AND IF YOU COMPARE PEOPLE WHO DIE IN I.C.E. CUSTODY TO EVERY STATE, FEDERAL SYSTEM WE'VE GOT THE LOWEST RATE IN THE HELL OF A LOT LOWER RATE THAN NEW YORK BUT NO ONE WANT TO TALK ABOUT US. WE NEED TO SAVE LIVES AND SECURED OUR BORDERS. THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH A SECURE BORDER. 15:01:23 I CAN ASSURE YOU, AT THE SIDE OF THE AISLE WE KNOW IT SERIOUS ABOUT SECURING THE BORDER AND THE PRESIDENT IS SERIOUS ABOUT TRIGGERING THE BORDER. I MY COLLEAGUES ON THE SIDE OF THE AISLE WILL GET SERIOUS ABOUT SECURE THE BORDER SO WE CAN HAVE A REAL SOLUTION TO THE PROBLEM THAT WE HAVE AT THE SOUTHERN BORDER. ... 15:01:38 I DON'T THINK THAT'S THE CASE AND AS FAR AS LAW ENFORCEMENT GOES, I WAS THERE JUST A FEW WEEKS AGO BECAUSE I HAVE FAMILY THAT'S ON THAT. I WANT YOU TO KNOW THE QUESTIONS DON'T BLAME AGENT THAT IS WITH -- AGENTS THAT ARE WORKING IN THE FRONT LINES. I BELIEVE HONESTLY ARE COMING OUT DESPERATION. THEY ARE BEING TAKEN ADVANTAGE BY CRIMINALS, PEOPLE WILLING TO LEAD THEM TO DIE, THAT IS ALL TRUE. THERE ARE POLICIES IN PLACE HERE WITHIN THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA THAT GO AGAINST OUR VALUES AND ONE OF THOSE IS FAMILY SEPARATION, SO I WANT TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT YOUR BELIEVES ON FAMILY SEPARATION AND YOU'VE BEEN ON THE RECORD DEFENDING PRESIDENT TRUMP'S POLICY OF SEPARATING FAMILIES AT THE BORDER MANY TIMES, CAN YOU CLARIFY HOW YOU FEEL ABOUT THAT TODAY? 15:03:08 NO, I CANNOT, AS YOU RECOGNIZE IN YOUR REPORT IT'S UNDER LITIGATION, I'M PART OF THAT LITIGATION AND I'VE BEEN INSTRUCTED BY THE ATTORNEYS THAT I'M NOT ALLOWED TO SPEAK ABOUT THAT OTHER THAN A COURTROOM SETTING WHICH IS NOT. 15:03:21 OKAY, THAT'S FINE. SO YOU HAVE SAID, THOUGH THAT YOU BELIEVE FAMILIES SHOULD BE HELD INDEFINITELY UNTIL THEY HAVE A COURT HEARING? 15:03:29 WELL, COURT HEARING AND INDEFINITELY ARE TWO DIFFERENT THINGS. FAMILY RESIDENTIAL. 15:03:42 YOU CANNOT COMMENT ABOUT FAMILY SEPARATION NOW? 15:03:45 THEY ARE SEPARATED BY ANOTHER AGENCY. 15:03:50 I ALSO WANT TO POINT OUT ON JUNE 14TH, PRESIDENT TRUMP TOLD "FOX & FRIENDS" THAT YOU TOM HOMAN WOULD BE REPORTING TO THE BORDER ADMINISTRATION. 15:04:03 I'VE NOT ACCEPTED ANY POSITION. 15:04:05 AS OF 4 DAYS YOU SAID YOU HAVEN'T ACCEPTED POSITION BUT YOU ALSO SAID THAT IF YOU CAN HELP THE PRESIDENT, YES, YOU WILL. 15:04:12 I COME BACK FROM RETIREMENT ONCE, I'M NOT GOING TO SAY NEVER SAY NEVER. 15:04:17 YOU NEVER SAID HELP MY COUNTRY, YOU SAID HELP THE PRESIDENT. YOU'RE A FOX NEWS CONTRIBUTOR? 15:04:34 YES. PROBABLY. TO RETURN TO FAMILY SEPARATION ISSUE AND EVEN THOUGH FEDERAL COURT ORDERED SEPARATIONS TO STOP LAST JUNE, THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION SEPARATED AT LEAST 700 ADDITIONAL CHILDREN OVER THE LAST YEAR, HOWEVER, YOU HEARD WITNESSES SAY THAT THE NUMBER IS HIGHER. THIS ADMINISTRATION CLAIMS THAT IT'S ONLY SEPARATING CHILDREN UNDER NARROW EXCEPTIONS TO COURT'S ORDER, SPECIFIC CONSENT FOR CHILD SAFETY AND ISSUES. ARE THOSE NECESSARY TO PROTECT CHILDREN. 15:05:07 NO, IT HAS BEEN EXPERIENCE IN VAST OVERWHELMING MAJORITY OF FAMILY SEPARATION CASES THOSE SEPARATIONS WERE UNJUSTIFIED AN UNNECESSARY EITHER TO PROTECT THE SAFETY OF THE CHILD OR ANYONE ELSE. 15:05:19 HAS YOUR CHILDREN WORKED WITH CHILDREN SEPARATED? 15:05:23 SEPARATED AFTER THE POLICY ENDED. 15:05:26 YOU'VE SHARED A NUMBER OF STORIES HOW YOU'VE SPOKEN OF CHILDREN HAVE BEEN SEPARATED FROM THEIR PARENTS OR ANYTHING YOU WOULD LIKE TO ADD? 15:05:44 CONTINUE EVERY DAY AND I HAVE HERE EMAILS FROM MR. HOMAN INCLUDING HIS NAME WITH HIM HAVING AUTHORIZED FAMILY SEPARATIONS INCLUDING OF A CHILD AND MOTHER WHO I REPRESENTED WHO WERE GRANTED ASYLUM, WHO WERE BONAFIDE REFUGEES IN THE UNITED STATES. 15:06:04 I HAVE OTHER EXAMPLES IN COURT FILINGS, ARREST WARRANT FROM 10 YEARS AGO, MISTAKEN IDENTITY TO SEPARATE CHILD, ANOTHER PARENT SEPARATED DUE TO HIV STATUS AND TO ME THIS APPEAR THAT IS THE ADMINISTRATION IS TRYING TO SEPARATE CHILDREN FROM THEIR PARENTS ALL OVER AGAIN. ARE ALL SEPARATIONS REQUIRED BY LAW IN ANY SHAPE OR FORM? 15:06:29 NO, CONTRARY TO CONSTITUTION, FEDERAL LAWS, REGULATIONS, THE HEAD STANDARD THAT HOW CBP IS SUPPOSED TO TREAT FAMILIES AND CHILDREN. 15:06:41 THE CONTINUED SEPARATIONS ARE COMPLETE OUTRAGE AND CONTRARY TO JUNE 2018 COURT ORDER ENDING ZERO TOLERANCE, TRUMP ADMINISTRATION MUST STOP USING UNNECESSARY SEPARATIONS AND I'M SERIOUSLY CONCERNED FOR NEW POTENTIAL BORDER BELIEVE IS GOOD POLICY, I YIELD BACK. 15:06:58 THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. JORDAN. 15:07:01 MR. HOMAN THE ACTION THAT IS YOU TOOK WERE CONSISTENT WITH THE LAW OF THE LAND, WERE THEY? 15:07:07 YES, THE CHILD CAN'T GO TO JAIL WITH A PARENT. HAPPENS TO AMERICAN FAMILIES EVERY DAY. 15:07:16 IF YOU DON'T LIKE THE LAW, LAST TIME I LOOKED FOLKS UP HERE HAVE TO CHANGE IT. YOU HAVE OFFERED 3 CHANGES TO THE LAW THAT WOULD HELP THE SITUATION; IS THAT RIGHT? 15:07:27 YES, SIR. 15:07:29 MAYBE A FIFTH TIME, CAN YOU SAY IT A FIFTH TIME FOR THE GROUP, AGAIN, WE ARE THE ONES THAT HAVE TO CHANGE LAWS, GIVE US THE RECOMMENDATION. 15:07:38 CLOSE LOOPHOLES IN TBPRA, CHILDREN SENT TO CENTRAL AMERICA ARE TREATED AS SAME AS MEXICO, OBTAIN FAMILY LONG ENOUGH TO SEE JUDGE AND PLEA CASE, IF WE CAN CHANGE RULES OF ASYLUM SO IT MAKES MORE SENSE SO 90% DON'T PASS IN FRONT OF A JUDGE, THOSE 3 THINGS WOULD -- WOULD MEAN A BIG -- WOULD MAKE A BIG DIFFERENCE ON THE BORDER. 15:08:08 THOSE 3 THINGS GO TO INCENTIVE, IS THAT RIGHT? 15:08:13 ALONG WITH OTHER THINGS TALK ABOUT ABOLISHING ICE, HAVING NO DETENTION, FREE EDUCATION, YEAH, FREE MEDICAL CARE. CITIZENSHIP FOR THOSE WHO ARE HERE ILLEGALLY, WHEN YOU KEEP OFFERING INCENTIVES, SANCTUARY CITIES, AS LONG AS YOU KEEP -- 15:08:30 THOSE STATEMENTS MADE BY DEMOCRATS IN UNITED STATES CONGRESS OR IN POSITIONS OF INFLUENCE IN THIS COUNTRY, THEY HAVE AN IMPACT, DON'T THEY? 15:08:41 SIGNIFICANT IMPACT. 15:08:44 ANOTHER CONGRESS SAID ABOLISH DHS, THE PERSON WHO GAVE STATE OF UNION RESPONDS TO PRESIDENT'S STATE OF THE UNION SHE'S OKAY WITH NONCITIZENS VOTING, DOES HAVE IMPACT, DOESN'T IT, JUST LIKE LAWS THAT YOU'RE SWORN TO UPHOLD AND IMPACT AND DO WHEN YOU'RE THE DIRECTOR OF ICE? 15:09:02 HAS SIGNIFICANT AND IF THIS WAS SEEN WE WOULDN'T HAVE SEEN ZERO LAWS. 15:09:10 BECAUSE OF STATEMENTS MADE THERE WAS CRISIS ON THE BORDER THAT DIDN'T HAPPEN YESTERDAY, YOU THINK ABOUT THIS, THERE WAS A CRISIS, THE ADMINISTRATION ASKED FOR HELP, DEMOCRATS SAY IT'S MANUFACTURED, IT'S FAKE, IT'S NOT REAL, THEN WHEN THE CRISIS, THE REAL CRISIS GETS WORSE, THE DEMOCRATS BLAME THE ADMINISTRATION FOR THE VERY CRISIS THEY HELP AND THE FACT THEY WON'T CHANGE THE LAW BUT SOMEHOW IT'S YOUR PROBLEM, SOMEHOW IT'S THE PRESIDENT'S PROBLEM, WE HAVE MS. COSTELLO, THE TEAM WENT OVER WITH INSPECTOR GENERAL, SAID THERE'S CONCERNS THAT SHE HAS AND THE CONCERNS THEY ARE TRYING TO ASCERTAIN, SHE SAID AGENTS ARE DOING -- AGENTS ARE DOING THEIR LEVEL BEST, IS THAT RIGHT, MS. COSTELLO? 15:10:01 THAT'S THE EXPERIENCE OF OUR INSPECTOR. 15:10:03 INSPECTOR GENERAL GOES DOWN WITH YOUR TEAM AND YOU CONCLUDE THE AGENTS, THE PEOPLE THAT MR. HOMAN REPRESENT DOING THEIR DARN BEST BUT THEY ARE OVERWHELMED AND YOU ALSO SAID IN YOUR STATEMENT, IN YOUR ANSWER A FEW MINUTES AGO, YOU'RE TRYING TO ASCERTAIN THE COSTS, THAT'S PRETTY SIMPLE TO FIGURE OUT THE COST, IT'S THE NUMBERS, IN OCTOBER 60,000 APPREHENSIONS ON THE BORDER, OCTOBER OF LAST YEAR, YOU KNOW WHAT IT WAS IN MAY OF THIS YEAR? 144,000, WE KNOW THE CAUSE, THEY ARE ALL COMING AND THEY ARE COMING BECAUSE THINGS THE OTHER SIDE SAYING AND WE WON'T CHANGE 3 FUNDAMENTAL THINGS IN THE LAW, IT ALSO MIGHT HELP, MR. HOMAN, PEOPLE PRESENTING THEMSELVES AT PORTS OF ENTRY AND BUILD BORDER WALL, IT MIGHT ACTUALLY HELP IF WE BUILT THE BORDER SECURITY WALL THAT THE AMERICAN PEOPLE VOTED THIS PRESIDENT IN OFFICE TO DO, WOULD YOU AGREE, MR. HOMAN? 15:11:07 ABSOLUTELY, EVERY PLACE BUILD BORDER BARRIER, ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION DECREASED. 15:11:14 IT WOULD HELP WITH SOME OF THE TRAGIC THINGS THAT WE HAVE HEARD ABOUT, TRAGIC SITUATION THAT WE HAVE HEARD THE LAST COUPLE OF DAYS, THE ENTIRE WEEK IN THE COMMITTEE THAT NO ONE WANTS TO SEE HAPPEN, THE YOUNG MOTHER WHO LOST HER DAUGHTER, TRAGIC, NO ONE WANTS -- BUT IF WE DID THE THINGS YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, WE COULD HELP AVOID SOME OF THOSE KINDS OF INCIDENTS FROM HAPPENING IN THE FUTURE, IS THAT RIGHT, MR. HOMAN, THE GUY WHO HAS LIVED IT, BREATHED IT, MANAGED IT, YOU KNOW -- YOU HAD MORE EXPERTISE THAN ANYONE IN THE ROOM; IS THAT RIGHT? 15:11:50 I BELIEVE SO. LET ME RESPOND TO THE CHILD THAT DIED IS TRAGIC. IF I CAN HAVE 30 SECOND. HERE IS THE PICTURE, SERENINITY, 9 MONTHS OLD. HERE IS IRANA RAPED REPEATEDLY AND KILLED BY ILLEGAL ALIEN. MULTIPLE RAPES AND MURED BY ILLEGAL ALIEN, 16-YEAR-OLD, LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER, I HAVE HUNDREDS OF THESE IN MY DESK DRAWER. I HAVE SEEN TEARS FROM PEOPLE TODAY, IT'S TRAGIC WHEN SOMEBODY DAD. DON'T FORGET ANGEL MOMS THAT I GOT TO KNOW, THEIR CHILDREN DIED AND THEY ARE SEPARATED FOREVER, THERE'S NOT A MATTER OF LOCATION, THEY ARE DEAD, A SECURE BORDER WOULD HELP PREVENT SOME OF THAT. SANCTUARY DOES NOT HELP THIS, SANCTUARIES HELP INCREASE BECAUSE THE PUSH OF SANCTUARY CITIES COME TO THE COUNTRY TO PROTECT YOU, YOU CAN COMMIT A CRIME WHEN YOU'RE IN COUNTY JAIL, WE WILL NOT LET ICE IN THE JAIL, ANYBODY CAN LOOK THEM UP. 50% REOFFEND FIRST YEAR, THEY'RE IN THE COUNTRY ILLEGALLY IN VIOLATION OF PRESENT LAW. THEY ARE LOCKED UP IN COUNTY JAIL, LET US HAVE ACCESS TO THEM AND DO OUR JOB. 15:13:14 THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MS. KELLY. 15:13:18 THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. 15:13:27 MY COLLEAGUE SAID, I COME FROM A LAW ENFORCEMENT FAMILY TOO AND I WOULD JUST SAY -- YOU MADE SOME COMMENT ABOUT WHAT WE WANT TO DO AWAY WITH ICE, I NEVER SAID I WANTED TO DO AWAY WITH ICE AND I JUST FEEL LIKE THERE'S A LOT OF GENERALIZATIONS GOING ON AND, YOU KNOW, WE TALK ABOUT INVITING PEOPLE IN MAKING IT EASIER, MY DISTRICT IS URBAN, SUBURBAN AND RURAL AND I HAVE 1200 FARMS IN MY DISTRICT AND I KNOW A LOT OF MY FARMERS ARE REPUBLICAN AND THEY'VE TOLD ME THAT THEY HAVE MIGRANTS WORKING FOR THEM UNDOCUMENTED FOLKS WORKING FOR THEM, SO IF WE WOULD HAVE DONE BETTER WITH IMPROVING IMMIGRATION OR MAKING A PATHWAY AND WHERE THERE WAS BIPARTISAN GANG OF 8 IN THE SENATE AND WE DIDN'T EVEN ENTERTAIN THE BILL IN THE HOUSE, WHEN WE HAD A REPUBLICAN SPEAKER, SO WE CAN ALWAYS SAY THERE'S THINGS THAT COULD HAVE BEEN DONE AND I COULD THINK OF THINGS THAT COULD HAVE BEEN DONE THAT HAVEN'T BEEN DONE, SO -- AND I KNOW PEOPLE THAT ARE REPUBLICANS THAT ARE DEMOCRATS THAT FEEL LIKE WE NEED TO DO A MUCH BETTER JOB. ALL THE CONDEMNING IS VERY INTERESTING, ANYWAY, I WANTED TO FOCUS ON THE HOMESTEAD SHELTER IN FLORIDA, LARGEST FACILITY TO HAVE AND CARE FOR IMMIGRANT CHILDREN RUN FOR NON-FOR-PROFIT AND I WILL SAY YOUR NAME CORRECTLY, YOU TESTIFIED ABOUT CHILDREN IN HOMESTEAD FACILITY AND YOU WERE, QUOTE, CONCERNED ABOUT NUMEROUS VIOLATIONS OF THE FLORIDA SETTLEMENT AGREEMENT, CAN YOU DESCRIBE WHAT YOUR CONCERNS ARE AND WHAT THE CONDITIONS ARE? 15:15:13 HOMESTEAD HOUSES THOUSANDS OF CHILDREN, MORE THAN 2,000 AND SET TO EXPAND TO 3,000, ENVIRONMENT THAT'S NOT CONDUCIVE TO CHILDREN'S WELL-BEING, CHILDREN GET LOST IN THE CRACKS THERE. WHEN I INTERVIEWED CHILDREN THERE IN MARCH 2019, MY COLLEAGUES AND I FOUND A 14-YEAR-OLD BOY THERE WHO WAS LEGALLY BLIND, HE WEIGHED 66 POUNDS AND WAS 4'9-INCHES TALL HE WAS INDIGENOUS LANGUAGE SPEAKER, FIRST LANGUAGE IS APECO, HE HAD BEEN DETAINED 120 DAYS. HE SUBSEQUENTLY RECEIVED INCIDENT REPORTS, WE WERE CONCERNED ABOUT WELL-BEING, WE REQUESTED FULL FILE, DOCUMENTED INCIDENTS, MULTIPLE INCIDENTS WHERE HE HAD BEEN ASSAULTED INCLUDING BEING PUSHED BY OTHER CHILDREN, PUNCHED IN THE GROWING. I -- FATHER HAD BEEN DESPERATELY TRYING TO REUNITE WITH THIS CHILD. IT TOOK US THREATENING TO SUE TO GET THIS CHILD OUT OF HOMESTEAD. 15:16:30 OKAY, OFFICE OF INSPECTOR GENERAL INVESTIGATING CONDITIONS AT THIS FACILITY? 15:16:38 INDEED. HOMESTEAD WAS ONE OF THEM. SINCE THEN WE'VE BEEN DOWN THERE SEVERAL TIMES OFFERING TECHNICAL ASSISTANCE AND OUTREACH TO THAT FACILITY AND WE CONTINUE TO APPLY OVERSIGHT TO HOMESTEAD. 15:16:50 HOW CAN THEY STAY OPEN WITH REPORTS LIKE THIS? 15:16:56 WELL, THE WORK THAT WE DID IS ONGOING, I WILL HAVE TO PAUSE AND WAIT UNTIL THAT BECOMES PUBLIC. AT THAT POINT I WOULD BE HAPPY TO PREVIEW YOU AND YOUR STAFF, WE LOOKED AT SAFETY ISSUES THAT AFFECT CHILDREN IN FACILITIES. 15:17:13 MR. CHAIR, I WOULD LIKE TO ENTER THE ARTICLE FOR THE RECORD. 15:17:16 WITHOUT OBJECTION, SO ORDERED. 15:17:21 THE ARTICLE EXPLAINS A STORY OF 15-YEAR-OLD WHO WAS STRIPPED FROM HIS FAMILY BY CBP DURING TRAFFIC STOP AND TRANSFERRED AND TREATED AS UNACCOMPANIED MINOR, THE CHILD LIVED IN THE UNITED STATES SINCE HE WAS 9 MONTH'S OLD, CHILDREN WHO HAVE BEEN LIVING IN THE U.S. FOR NEARLY ENTIRELY LIVES. WITH THAT SAID, I WOULD LIKE TO ENTER INTO THE RECORD THE STATUTORY DEFINITION OF UNACCOMPANIED MINOR ALSO WHICH INCLUDES NO PARENT OR LEGAL GUARDIAN IN THE UNITED STATES AND NO PARENT OR LEGAL GUARDIAN IN THE UNITED STATES AVAILABLE TO PROVIDE CARE AND PHYSICAL CUSTODY, THIS 15-YEAR-OLD BY OUR OWN STATUTORY DEFINITION IS NOT AN UNACCOMPANIED MINOR. MS. COSTELLO, ARE YOU AWARE OF THIS PRACTICE? 15:18:15 WE ARE AWARE OF SEPARATIONS BUT CURRENTLY WE HAVE NO PUBLIC REPORTING ON ANY OF THAT, THOSE ISSUES THAT YOU DESCRIBED. 15:18:23 AND YOUR POLICY IN UNDOCUMENTED CHILDREN IN THE U.S.? 15:18:34 WE MAY PROVIDE OVERSIGHT, WE ARE NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR IMPLEMENTING POLICY OR CREATING POLICY IN ANY WAY. 15:18:48 YOU WERE TRYING TO ADMIT ONE DOCUMENT OR TWO? 15:18:51 TWO. 15:18:53 OH, I DIDN'T -- 15:18:55 THE DEFINITION OF UNACCOMPANIED -- 15:18:56 WITHOUT OBJECTION, SO ORDERED TO BOTH OF THOSE DOCUMENTS. MS. TLABIB. 15:19:07 THANK YOU VERY MUCH, I APPRECIATE THIS HEARING, THANK YOU ALL FOR BEING HERE. I BELIEVE IN THE IMPORTANCE OF WHISTLEBLOWERS, SOMETIMES THE TRUTH TELLERS ESPECIALLY TO COMMITTEE, WE KNOW THAT EMPLOYEES HAVE DECIDED TO -- DECIDED TO STICK TO THEIR LIVE -- DECIDED TO STICK OUT THEIR LIVELIHOOD AND PUT COURAGE AND COUNTRY FIRST AND TO THE CHAIR BEFORE I BEGIN QUESTIONING I WOULD LIKE TO SUBMIT TWO DOCUMENTS, THE FIRST IS A JULY 17TH, 2018 LETTER TO SENATE WHISTLEBLOWER CAUCUS CHAIRS AND COMMENT SUBMITTED ON PROPOSED RULE BY IMMIGRATION AND CUSTOM BUREAU. 15:19:46 WITHOUT OBJECTION, SO ORDERED. 15:19:48 THANK YOU. DR. SCOTT OR DOCTORS ELLEN ARE TWO WHISTLEBLOWERS, THEY TRIED TO WARN YOUR OFFICE, MS. CASTILLO, MIGRANT CHILDREN WERE GOING TO DIE IN CUSTODY, DOES THAT SOUND FAMILIAR AT ALL? 15:20:11 THAT ONE IN PARTICULAR ARE NOT RINGING ANY BELLS RIGHT NOW. 15:20:15 QUOTE, WE WARRANTED DHS THAT MIGRANT CHILD COULD DIE IN CUSTODY YET WHISTLE BLOWERS WERE COMPLETELY IGNORED BY THE OFFICE, THEIR LAWYERS TELL US THAT NO ONE EVER RESPONDED TO CONDITION SENT AT ALL DESPITE MULTIPLE ATTEMPTS TO CONNECT WITH YOU. 15:20:30 SO AS YOU SAID, WE TAKE WHISTLEBLOWER CONCERNS EXTREMELY CAREFULLY, WE TAKE ALL OF THOSE CASES AND ALLEGATIONS INTO CONSIDERATION. I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH THE ISSUE THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT BUT -- BUT MY OFFICE CAN GET BACK TO YOU WITH SOME INFORMATION. 15:20:44 DO I APPRECIATE THAT. 15:20:47 THE NEXT THING I WANT TO TALK ABOUT IS WE BROUGHT FORTH CHILDREN, THERE'S BACK AND FORTH ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THIS SEEMS TO ALWAYS BE THE SENSE AND MAYBE BECAUSE I'M NEW BECAUSE WHO TO BLAME, WHERE DID IT START, WHAT THE CAUSE IS, THE PROBLEM IS THE CRISIS IS HERE. EVERYBODY WANTS TO STICK IN HOW WE GOT HERE, BUT WE ARE HERE NOW AND THE RESPONSIBILITY IS ON US TO ADDRESS IT. AND THERE'S A SENSE OF URGENCY, AT LEAST MY PART TO ADDRESSING THIS BUT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT REALLY WAS PROFOUND WAS WHEN ONE OF THOSE CPP AGENTS TOOK ME ASIDE EVEN THOUGH ON TRUCKS, IF YOU LOOK AT TRUCKS ANYWHERE, THERE'S A TERM THAT SAYS HONOR FIRST. ARE YOU FAMILIAR WITH THAT, MR. HOMAN, HONOR FIRST, WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? EXACTLY IT SAYS, BUT THERE'S ALSO STICKING TOGETHER, NOT TELLING ON EACH OTHER, KIND OF CULTURE, BUT A COUPLE OF 3 DIFFERENT AGENTS, ONE SAID STOP SENDING MONEY, IT'S NOT WORKING, HE LITERALLY SAID TO ME IN A WHISPER. ONE SAID WE WEREN'T TRAINED TO DO THIS, I'M NOT A SOCIAL WORKER NOR MEDICAL CARE WORKER AND ANOTHER VERY COURAGEOUSLY, SOMEBODY THAT MANY OF MY COLLEAGUES WOULD BE SURPRISE TODAY KNOW SAID THIS TO ME BUT HE SAID THE SEPARATION POLICY ISN'T WORKING. THE MORALE HAS BEEN OUT OF LAW ENFORCEMENT, MORALE OF AGENTS IN CPP ARE AMONG THE LOWEST AND SUICIDE IS ACTUALLY INCREASED OVER 100 AGENTS EVEN WHEN YOU WERE THERE, MR. HOMAN, WE TALK ABOUT DEHUMANIZATION OF CHILDREN AND SO FORTH BUT WE ALSO UNDERSTAND THERE IS A NUMBER OF STRESSES AND I CAN FEEL IT FROM YOU, MR. HOMAN RIGHT NOW. BUT I ALSO HESITATION THAT YOU HESITATE TO SHAKE MY HAND AND I WANTED YOU TO KNOW AND PAUSED, I THOUGHT, DID I DO ANYTHING FOR YOU TO PAUSE AND NOT SHAKE MY HAND EVEN THOUGH I WAS TELLING THE TRUTH, WHAT I SAW, AND I'M NOT BLAMING THE AGENTS, I'M NOT BLAMING -- I'M BLAMING THE BROKEN IMMIGRATION SYSTEM JUST LIKE YOU ARE. WE HAVE TO DECIDE AND HAVE COURAGE IN THIS CHAMBER OF WHETHER OR NOT WE PROCEED IN FIXING IT AND IF IT'S YOUR ROUTE OF -- OF CLOSING BORDERS AND ALL THAT, GREAT, LET'S DEBATE THAT U BUT ONE OF THE THINGS I'M TAKING ABACK IS THE CHILDREN 7 YEAR'S OLD THAT WE ARE SEPARATING, AVERAGE AGE IS 7 YEAR'S OLD, THE TRAUMA WITH WILL CREATE IS GOING TO BE A GENERATION THAT I DON'T THINK WE WILL EVER BE ABLE TO TRULY ADDRESS. I KNOW THAT YOU CAN'T TALK ABOUT IT, I AGREE WITH THE AGENT THAT SEPARATION POLICY ISN'T WORKING, TO WHAT WE ARE DOING THERE AND WE KNOW THE ADMINISTRATION AND YOU MAY NOT BE ABLE TO SPEAK ABOUT IT, WAS TRYING IN WAYS TO PREVENT PEOPLE FROM COMING, BUT IT DIDN'T, IT WASN'T ABOUT THE -- I WILL TELL YOU RIGHT NOW, THE MAN THAT WAS FROM BRAZIL, WHEN I TOLD HIM IN ENGLISH AND HE UNDERSTOOD A LITTLE BIT BECAUSE HE SPOKE -- HIS SPANISH, HE DIDN'T SPEAK SPANISH, HE HAD A LOT OF ISSUES OF LANGUAGE AND I'M SORRY, MR. CHAIRMAN, JUST, YOU KNOW, HE -- I TOLD HIM, YOU KNOW THEY MIGHT SEPARATE YOU FROM YOUR CHILD, HE SAID, NO, NO, NO, NO, THAT CAN'T HAPPEN AND I SAID BUT THAT'S THE POLICY RIGHT NOW THAT WE HAVE, YOU MIGHT SEE 14 OR 8-YEAR-OLD DAUGHTER ANYMORE AND I CAN'T SIT BY AND SAY THAT IS OKAY, THE ONE THING WE CAN DO IN THIS CHAMBER WE CAN AGREE TO SEPARATION POLICY NEEDS TO STOP. MORE MONEY TOWARDS SUPPORTING SEPARATION POLICY NEEDS TO STOP, I DON'T WANT AN AGENT TO KILL THEMSELVES, I I DON'T WANT CAREFUL AGENT IN TOP LEVEL, NOT ONE THAT IS AT BORDER, PUT ME AT THE BORDER HE SAID, THAT'S WHERE I BELONG, NOT HERE WITH THESE CHILDREN. THANK YOU, MR. SPEAKER. 15:25:03 THANK YOU VERY MUCH. MR. GREEN. 15:25:07 THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I WANT EVERYBODY TO THINK OF A BUSY EMERGENCY DEPARTMENT, BUSY EMERGENCY DEPARTMENT IN INNER CITY IN A MASSIVE NATURAL DISASTER OCCURS AND THERE ARE HUNDREDS OF PATIENTS NOW FLOODING THAT EMERGENCY DEPARTMENT U THEY ARE TREATING PEOPLE IN HALLWAYS, THEY ARE TREATING PEOPLE IN THE PARKING LOT. IT IS A CRISIS, MASSIVE CRISIS, PATIENTS EVERYWHERE. IT'S NOT THE DOCTOR'S FAULT THAT PATIENTS ARE EVERYWHERE, IT'S NOT THE NURSE'S FAULT THAT THE CRISIS HAS SUDDENLY OVERWHELMED THE EMERGENCY DEPARTMENT AND IT IS RIDICULOUS TO ASSERT THAT. THE PROBLEM IS THAT THE PIPE ISN'T BIG ENOUGH, YOU CAN ONLY FLOW SO MUCH WATER OR SO MANY PATIENTS DURING EMERGENCY DEPARTMENT IF THERE'S 30 BEDS, 40 BEDS AND NOBODY BUILDS EMERGENCY DEPARTMENTS FOR THOUSANDS OF PATIENTS, YOU CAN'T DO THAT WHEN THE CRISIS HAPPENS IT'S NOT THE DOCTOR'S FAULT. IT'S NOT THE NURSE'S FAULT, IT IS THE DIAMETER OF THE PIPELINE. WELL, HOW DO YOU GET THE PIPELINE TO HAVE A BIGGER DIAMETER? YOU HAVE TO HAVE MORE BEDS, YOU TO HAVE MORE SPACE, YOU HAVE TO HAVE MORE MONEY. SO FOR MONTHS WE HAVE BEEN ASKING FOR BUDGET AND PEOPLE SITTING ON THE COMMITTEE WHO VOTED AGAINST MONEY TO GO TO THE PROBLEM, IN FACT, SOME PEOPLE WANT TO CLOSE THE DEPARTMENT OF HOMELAND SECURITY ENTIRELY, YET AT THE SAME TIME SCREAMINGLY NEED MORE RESOURCES ON THE BORDER. HOW -- HOW RIDICULOUS IS THAT? IT'S THEATRICS, IT'S JUST THEATRICS, THAT'S ALL IT IS. IN 1960's, THE PROGRESSIVE LIBERALS CALLED OUR SOLDIERS BABY KILLERS, REMEMBER THAT? THEY CAME HOME FROM VIETNAM AND WERE SPAT ON AND NOW CBP IS BEING CALLED NAZI CONCENTRATION CAMP OPERATORS U -- HOW INSANE IS THAT AND RIDICULOUS AND DARK DAY IN AMERICA WHEN WE CALLED OUR SOLDIERS BABY KILLERS WHEN IN FACT, THEY WERE JUST DOING WHAT THE COUNTRY HAD ASKED THEM TO DO. THEATRICS. LET ME BEGIN BY SETTING THE RECORD STRAIGHT, THIS NOTION THAT REPUBLICANS AND CONSERVATIVES ARE SOMEHOW UNCONCERNED ABOUT THE PLIGHT OF PEOPLE IS JUST WRONG AND UNFAIR. I RAN TWO FREE HEALTH CARE CLINICS IN TENNESSEE OUT OF MY OWN POCKET AND WE GET PROGRESSIVE LIBERALS SAYING WE NEED MORE TAXES TO TAKE CARE OF MORE PEOPLE, I SAY COME VOLUNTEER IN THE CLINIC, IF YOU REALLY CARE, YOU KNOW HOW MANY HAVE TAKEN ME UP ON IT IN 4 YEARS, NONE, NOT A SINGLE ONE HAS COME AND VOLUNTEERED IN MY FREE HEALTHCARE CLINICS. WHILE I'VE OFFERED IT AND OFFERED IT, THEATRICS. AS POLITICO REPORTED IN AN ARTICLE LAST MONTH, U.S. BORDER PATROL APPREHENDED NEARLY 85,000 FAMILY MEMBERS IN MAY, 44% INCREASE OVER THE PRIOR MONTH, HISTORIC HIGH FOR COMPARISON THE BORDER PATROL APPREHENDED 107,000 FAMILY MEMBERS IN ALL OF 2018. WE'VE HAD A NATURAL DISASTER AND THE ER IS OVERWHELMED, THEY NEED RESOURCES, THEY NEED CONGRESS TO DO OUR JOB. WHAT DOES THE LEFT WANT TO DO? 15:29:04 LET'S -- WE DIDN'T ACKNOWLEDGE THAT THERE WAS A CRISIS WHEN WE PROBABLY SHOULD HAVE, SO LET'S JUST BLAME PRESIDENT TRUMP, WE WILL SAY HE'S THE ONE PUTTING THESE KIDS IN CAGES, OH, WAIT, THAT PICTURE WAS FROM 2015U OBAMA WAS PRESIDENT, RIGHT. RETRIED TO PLAY IT OFF AND NOW WE'VE BEEN CAUGHT, OH, LET'S JUST BLAME THE PRESIDENT. THEATRICS. LISTEN, IT'S TIME FOR CONGRESS TO DO ITS JOB AND GET THE RESOURCES TO THESE MEN AND WOMEN WHO ARE ON THE BORDER TAKING CARE OF THIS CRISIS. MR. CHAIRMAN, I THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SHARE MY PERSPECTIVE AND I YIELD MY TIME BACK. 15:29:53 BEFORE I DO GLOBAL MARKET ACTION OVERNIGHT TO MS. ALEXANDRIA OCASIO-CORTEZ, LET ME SAY THAT BOTH SIDES ON THE AISLE I THINK WE NEED TO BE CAREFUL ABOUT HOW WE TALK ABOUT THE MOTIVES ABOUT COLLEAGUES. I BELIEVE THAT EVERYONE IS OPERATING IN GOOD FAITH AND I JUST WANT US TO BE HAVE CAREFUL WITH THAT. WITH THAT, MS. OCASIO-CORTEZ. 15:30:23 THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. EARLIER MY COLLEAGUE FROM MARYLAND, ASKED THE PANEL HOW MANY PEOPLE HERE BELIEVED THAT CHILD SEPARATION IS AN EFFECTIVE POLICY IN DETERRING AND NO ONE ON THE PANEL RAISED THEIR HAND. I JUST WANTED TO NOTE THAT FOR THE RECORD, MR. CHAIR. I WANTED TO ASK A REQUEST FROM PROFESSOR, IS THE UNITED STATES VIOLATING OR VIOLATED HUMAN RIGHTS AGREEMENTS SET BY THE UNITED NATIONS IN A FAMILY SEPARATION POLICY? 15:31:02 YES. INTERNATIONAL LAW IS CLEAR THAT FAMILY UNITY SHOULD BE PRIORITIZE. 15:31:10 SO WE AS MEMBERS OF UNITED NATIONS SIGNED ON THAT FAMILY SEPARATION IS VIOLATION OF HUMAN RIGHTS AND THAT VIOLATES HUMAN RIGHTS. YOU KNOW, MR. CHAIR, I WAS LOOKING HOW HOW DID WE GET TO THIS POINT, HOW DID WE GET TO THIS POINT WHERE WE TAKE CHILDREN OUT OF MOTHERS AND FATHERS' ARMS. YOU KNOW, IT DATED BACK -- FAMILY SEPARATION THE WAY THAT WE HAVE SEEN IT, TAKE CHILDREN AWAY FROM THEIR PARENTS WITHOUT DUE PROCESS BEGAN LAST YEAR UNDER SECRETARY KIRSTJEN NIELSEN BUT I HAVE TO DIG FURTHER AND OUR STAFF DUG FURTHER, BUT WHERE DID THIS START WITHIN THE ADMINISTRATION SHE IMPLEMENTED AND WE FOUND A MEMO DATES BACK TO APRIL 23RD OF 201 SECRETARY OF HOMELAND SECURITY SAID THAT WE CANNOT EMBRACE THE POLICY AND I QUOTE, NOT DEPORT THOSE WHO ENTER OR REMAIN IN THIS COUNTRY ILLEGALLY UNLESS THEY COMMIT A CRIME. THIS IS TANTAMOUNT TO A PUBLIC DECLARATION REPEATED AND AMPLIFIED BY SMUGGLERS IN CENTRAL AMERICA THAT OUR BORDERS ARE EFFECTIVELY OPEN TO ALL. THIS WILL INCREASE THE RECENT LEVELS OF MONTHLY APPREHENSIONS AT OUR SOUTHERN BORDER AT ABOUT OR MORE THAN 100,000 BY MULTIPLES "-RIGHT-DOUBLE-QUOTE. HE IS RIGHT. RESIDENT OF IMUS' SECRETARY OF HOMELAND SECURITY IS RIGHT ABOUT THE REAL PROBLEM WE HAVE AT THE BORDER. WE HAVE TO GET SERIOUS ABOUT THIS PROBLEM AT THE BORDER. MR. HOLMAN, YOU ARE CLEARLY AN EXPERT. WHAT CAN CONGRESS DO TO FIX THIS PROBLEM? 14:59:04 CLOSE THE LOOPHOLES IN ASYLUM AND MAKE THEM MEANINGFUL. THEY CAN CHANGE THE [INAUDIBLE] CHILDREN OF CENTRAL AMERICA TREATED THE SAME WEIGHT OF CHILDREN OF AMERICA AND THEY CAN BE REMOVED AND [INAUDIBLE] LET ME EXPLAIN TO YOU WHY AM SITTING HERE SO FRUSTRATED. I'M THE ONLY ONE IN THIS ROOM THAT HAS WORN THE UNIFORM AND BEEN ON THAT LINE. I'M THE ONLY ONE THAT SAW ALIENS LEFT BY SMUGGLERS ON THE TRAIL BECAUSE THEY DID NOT HAVE MONEY ANYMORE. I'M THE ONLY ONE THAT STOOD BACK WITH TRACTOR-TRAILERS WITH 19 DEAD ALIENS INCLUDING FIVE -YEAR-OLD LITTLE BOY SUFFOCATED TO DEATH IN HIS FATHER'S ARMS. I WAS THERE. I SAW AND SMELLED IT AND IT'S TERRIBLE. I STILL HAVE NIGHTMARES TO THE STATEMENT WAS PHOENIX, ARIZONA WHEN YOU CANNOT PAY THE SMUGLY FEELS FEES YOURS TORTURED AND SOMEONE WAS STABBED IN THE FACE 22 TIMES. WE KEEP TALKING ABOUT OPEN BORDERS AND ABOLISH I.C.E. AND LET'S NOT DETAIN ANYBODY AND THAT ENTICES MORE PEOPLE TO COME. THIS IS NOT JUST THE FORCE LAW BUT I FOUND THE BODIES IN MY DAY. I THINK PICTURES TODAY BUT NO ONE WANTS THOSE PICTURES BECAUSE THEIR ANGEL MOM AND DAD. THE MORE WE ENTICE PEOPLE TO MAKE THIS JOURNEY 31% OF WOMEN ARE BEING RAPED, CHILDREN ARE DYING AND I SAID MONTHS AGO IF WE DON'T CLOSE THE LOOPHOLES MORE WOMEN WILL BE RAPED AND MORE CHILDREN WILL DIE. NO ONE IS LISTENING. 15:00:42 THERE ARE TWO THINGS WE CAN DO TO FIX THIS. IF CONGRESS DOESN'T LIKE WHAT I SAID IN CBP DO, DO YOUR JOB AND FIX IT. CONGRESS HAS FAILED. PEOPLE AND THEY WOULD RATHER POINT TO MANY WOMEN OF I.C.E. WHO HAVE AN AMERICAN FLAG ON THE SHOULDER AND SERVE THEIR NATION. I'M EXTERNALLY FRUSTRATED BECAUSE WHAT I'VE SEEN TODAY IS MISLEADING THE AMERICAN PEOPLE. PEOPLE ARE DYING. NOT IN I.C.E. CUSTODY AND IF YOU COMPARE PEOPLE WHO DIE IN I.C.E. CUSTODY TO EVERY STATE, FEDERAL SYSTEM WE'VE GOT THE LOWEST RATE IN THE HELL OF A LOT LOWER RATE THAN NEW YORK BUT NO ONE WANT TO TALK ABOUT US. WE NEED TO SAVE LIVES AND SECURED OUR BORDERS. THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH A SECURE BORDER. 15:01:23 I CAN ASSURE YOU, AT THE SIDE OF THE AISLE WE KNOW IT SERIOUS ABOUT SECURING THE BORDER AND THE PRESIDENT IS SERIOUS ABOUT TRIGGERING THE BORDER. I MY COLLEAGUES ON THE SIDE OF THE AISLE WILL GET SERIOUS ABOUT SECURE THE BORDER SO WE CAN HAVE A REAL SOLUTION TO THE PROBLEM THAT WE HAVE AT THE SOUTHERN BORDER. ... 15:01:38 I DON'T THINK THAT'S THE CASE AND AS FAR AS LAW ENFORCEMENT GOES, I WAS THERE JUST A FEW WEEKS AGO BECAUSE I HAVE FAMILY THAT'S ON THAT. I WANT YOU TO KNOW THE QUESTIONS DON'T BLAME AGENT THAT IS WITH -- AGENTS THAT ARE WORKING IN THE FRONT LINES. I BELIEVE HONESTLY ARE COMING OUT DESPERATION. THEY ARE BEING TAKEN ADVANTAGE BY CRIMINALS, PEOPLE WILLING TO LEAD THEM TO DIE, THAT IS ALL TRUE. THERE ARE POLICIES IN PLACE HERE WITHIN THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA THAT GO AGAINST OUR VALUES AND ONE OF THOSE IS FAMILY SEPARATION, SO I WANT TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT YOUR BELIEVES ON FAMILY SEPARATION AND YOU'VE BEEN ON THE RECORD DEFENDING PRESIDENT TRUMP'S POLICY OF SEPARATING FAMILIES AT THE BORDER MANY TIMES, CAN YOU CLARIFY HOW YOU FEEL ABOUT THAT TODAY? 15:03:08 NO, I CANNOT, AS YOU RECOGNIZE IN YOUR REPORT IT'S UNDER LITIGATION, I'M PART OF THAT LITIGATION AND I'VE BEEN INSTRUCTED BY THE ATTORNEYS THAT I'M NOT ALLOWED TO SPEAK ABOUT THAT OTHER THAN A COURTROOM SETTING WHICH IS NOT. 15:03:21 OKAY, THAT'S FINE. SO YOU HAVE SAID, THOUGH THAT YOU BELIEVE FAMILIES SHOULD BE HELD INDEFINITELY UNTIL THEY HAVE A COURT HEARING? 15:03:29 WELL, COURT HEARING AND INDEFINITELY ARE TWO DIFFERENT THINGS. FAMILY RESIDENTIAL. 15:03:42 YOU CANNOT COMMENT ABOUT FAMILY SEPARATION NOW? 15:03:45 THEY ARE SEPARATED BY ANOTHER AGENCY. 15:03:50 I ALSO WANT TO POINT OUT ON JUNE 14TH, PRESIDENT TRUMP TOLD "FOX & FRIENDS" THAT YOU TOM HOMAN WOULD BE REPORTING TO THE BORDER ADMINISTRATION. 15:04:03 I'VE NOT ACCEPTED ANY POSITION. 15:04:05 AS OF 4 DAYS YOU SAID YOU HAVEN'T ACCEPTED POSITION BUT YOU ALSO SAID THAT IF YOU CAN HELP THE PRESIDENT, YES, YOU WILL. 15:04:12 I COME BACK FROM RETIREMENT ONCE, I'M NOT GOING TO SAY NEVER SAY NEVER. 15:04:17 YOU NEVER SAID HELP MY COUNTRY, YOU SAID HELP THE PRESIDENT. YOU'RE A FOX NEWS CONTRIBUTOR? 15:04:34 YES. PROBABLY. TO RETURN TO FAMILY SEPARATION ISSUE AND EVEN THOUGH FEDERAL COURT ORDERED SEPARATIONS TO STOP LAST JUNE, THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION SEPARATED AT LEAST 700 ADDITIONAL CHILDREN OVER THE LAST YEAR, HOWEVER, YOU HEARD WITNESSES SAY THAT THE NUMBER IS HIGHER. THIS ADMINISTRATION CLAIMS THAT IT'S ONLY SEPARATING CHILDREN UNDER NARROW EXCEPTIONS TO COURT'S ORDER, SPECIFIC CONSENT FOR CHILD SAFETY AND ISSUES. ARE THOSE NECESSARY TO PROTECT CHILDREN. 15:05:07 NO, IT HAS BEEN EXPERIENCE IN VAST OVERWHELMING MAJORITY OF FAMILY SEPARATION CASES THOSE SEPARATIONS WERE UNJUSTIFIED AN UNNECESSARY EITHER TO PROTECT THE SAFETY OF THE CHILD OR ANYONE ELSE. 15:05:19 HAS YOUR CHILDREN WORKED WITH CHILDREN SEPARATED? 15:05:23 SEPARATED AFTER THE POLICY ENDED. 15:05:26 YOU'VE SHARED A NUMBER OF STORIES HOW YOU'VE SPOKEN OF CHILDREN HAVE BEEN SEPARATED FROM THEIR PARENTS OR ANYTHING YOU WOULD LIKE TO ADD? 15:05:44 CONTINUE EVERY DAY AND I HAVE HERE EMAILS FROM MR. HOMAN INCLUDING HIS NAME WITH HIM HAVING AUTHORIZED FAMILY SEPARATIONS INCLUDING OF A CHILD AND MOTHER WHO I REPRESENTED WHO WERE GRANTED ASYLUM, WHO WERE BONAFIDE REFUGEES IN THE UNITED STATES. 15:06:04 I HAVE OTHER EXAMPLES IN COURT FILINGS, ARREST WARRANT FROM 10 YEARS AGO, MISTAKEN IDENTITY TO SEPARATE CHILD, ANOTHER PARENT SEPARATED DUE TO HIV STATUS AND TO ME THIS APPEAR THAT IS THE ADMINISTRATION IS TRYING TO SEPARATE CHILDREN FROM THEIR PARENTS ALL OVER AGAIN. ARE ALL SEPARATIONS REQUIRED BY LAW IN ANY SHAPE OR FORM? 15:06:29 NO, CONTRARY TO CONSTITUTIONAL, FEDERAL LAWS, REGULATIONS, THE HEAD STANDARD THAT HOW CBP IS SUPPOSED TO TREAT FAMILIES AND CHILDREN. 15:06:41 THE CONTINUED SEPARATIONS ARE COMPLETE OUTRAGE AND CONTRARY TO JUNE 2018 COURT ORDER ENDING ZERO TOLERANCE, TRUMP ADMINISTRATION MUST STOP USING UNNECESSARY SEPARATIONS AND I'M SERIOUSLY CONCERNED FOR NEW POTENTIAL BORDER BELIEVE IS GOOD POLICY, I YIELD BACK. 15:06:58 THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. JORDAN. 15:07:01 MR. HOMAN THE ACTION THAT IS YOU TOOK WERE CONSISTENT WITH THE LAW OF THE LAND, WERE THEY? 15:07:07 YES, THE CHILD CAN'T GO TO JAIL WITH A PARENT. HAPPENS TO AMERICAN FAMILIES EVERY DAY. 15:07:16 IF YOU DON'T LIKE THE LAW, LAST TIME I LOOKED FOLKS UP HERE HAVE TO CHANGE IT. YOU HAVE OFFERED 3 CHANGES TO THE LAW THAT WOULD HELP THE SITUATION; IS THAT RIGHT? 15:07:27 YES, SIR. 15:07:29 MAYBE A FIFTH TIME, CAN YOU SAY IT A FIFTH TIME FOR THE GROUP, AGAIN, WE ARE THE ONES THAT HAVE TO CHANGE LAWS, GIVE US THE RECOMMENDATION. 15:07:38 CLOSE LOOPHOLES IN TBPRA, CHILDREN SENT TO CENTRAL AMERICA ARE TREATED AS SAME AS MEXICO, OBTAIN FAMILY LONG ENOUGH TO SEE JUDGE AND PLEA CASE, IF WE CAN CHANGE RULES OF ASYLUM SO IT MAKES MORE SENSE SO 90% DON'T PASS IN FRONT OF A JUDGE, THOSE 3 THINGS WOULD -- WOULD MEAN A BIG -- WOULD MAKE A BIG DIFFERENCE ON THE BORDER. 15:08:08 THOSE 3 THINGS GO TO INCENTIVE, IS THAT RIGHT? 15:08:13 ALONG WITH OTHER THINGS TALK ABOUT ABOLISHING ICE, HAVING NO DETENTION, FREE EDUCATION, YEAH, FREE MEDICAL CARE. CITIZENSHIP FOR THOSE WHO ARE HERE ILLEGALLY, WHEN YOU KEEP OFFERING INCENTIVES, SANCTUARY CITIES, AS LONG AS YOU KEEP -- 15:08:30 THOSE STATEMENTS MADE BY DEMOCRATS IN UNITED STATES CONGRESS OR IN POSITIONS OF INFLUENCE IN THIS COUNTRY, THEY HAVE AN IMPACT, DON'T THEY? 15:08:41 SIGNIFICANT IMPACT. 15:08:44 ANOTHER CONGRESS SAID ABOLISH DHS, THE PERSON WHO GAVE STATE OF UNION RESPONDS TO PRESIDENT'S STATE OF THE UNION SHE'S OKAY WITH NONCITIZENS VOTING, DOES HAVE IMPACT, DOESN'T IT, JUST LIKE LAWS THAT YOU'RE SWORN TO UPHOLD AND IMPACT AND DO WHEN YOU'RE THE DIRECTOR OF ICE? 15:09:02 HAS SIGNIFICANT AND IF THIS WAS SEEN WE WOULDN'T HAVE SEEN ZERO LAWS. 15:09:10 BECAUSE OF STATEMENTS MADE THERE WAS CRISIS ON THE BORDER THAT DIDN'T HAPPEN YESTERDAY, YOU THINK ABOUT THIS, THERE WAS A CRISIS, THE ADMINISTRATION ASKED FOR HELP, DEMOCRATS SAY IT'S MANUFACTURED, IT'S FAKE, IT'S NOT REAL, THEN WHEN THE CRISIS, THE REAL CRISIS GETS WORSE, THE DEMOCRATS BLAME THE ADMINISTRATION FOR THE VERY CRISIS THEY HELP AND THE FACT THEY WON'T CHANGE THE LAW BUT SOMEHOW IT'S YOUR PROBLEM, SOMEHOW IT'S THE PRESIDENT'S PROBLEM, WE HAVE MS. COSTELLO, THE TEAM WENT OVER WITH INSPECTOR GENERAL, SAID THERE'S CONCERNS THAT SHE HAS AND THE CONCERNS THEY ARE TRYING TO ASCERTAIN, SHE SAID AGENTS ARE DOING -- AGENTS ARE DOING THEIR LEVEL BEST, IS THAT RIGHT, MS. COSTELLO? 15:10:01 THAT'S THE EXPERIENCE OF OUR INSPECTOR. 15:10:03 INSPECTOR GENERAL GOES DOWN WITH YOUR TEAM AND YOU CONCLUDE THE AGENTS, THE PEOPLE THAT MR. HOMAN REPRESENT DOING THEIR DARN BEST BUT THEY ARE OVERWHELMED AND YOU ALSO SAID IN YOUR STATEMENT, IN YOUR ANSWER A FEW MINUTES AGO, YOU'RE TRYING TO ASCERTAIN THE COSTS, THAT'S PRETTY SIMPLE TO FIGURE OUT THE COST, IT'S THE NUMBERS, IN OCTOBER 60,000 APPREHENSIONS ON THE BORDER, OCTOBER OF LAST YEAR, YOU KNOW WHAT IT WAS IN MAY OF THIS YEAR? 144,000, WE KNOW THE CAUSE, THEY ARE ALL COMING AND THEY ARE COMING BECAUSE THINGS THE OTHER SIDE SAYING AND WE WON'T CHANGE 3 FUNDAMENTAL THINGS IN THE LAW, IT ALSO MIGHT HELP, MR. HOMAN, PEOPLE PRESENTING THEMSELVES AT PORTS OF ENTRY AND BUILD BORDER WALL, IT MIGHT ACTUALLY HELP IF WE BUILT THE BORDER SECURITY WALL THAT THE AMERICAN PEOPLE VOTED THIS PRESIDENT IN OFFICE TO DO, WOULD YOU AGREE, MR. HOMAN? 15:11:07 ABSOLUTELY, EVERY PLACE BUILD BORDER BARRIER, ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION DECREASED. 15:11:14 IT WOULD HELP WITH SOME OF THE TRAGIC THINGS THAT WE HAVE HEARD ABOUT, TRAGIC SITUATION THAT WE HAVE HEARD THE LAST COUPLE OF DAYS, THE ENTIRE WEEK IN THE COMMITTEE THAT NO ONE WANTS TO SEE HAPPEN, THE YOUNG MOTHER WHO LOST HER DAUGHTER, TRAGIC, NO ONE WANTS -- BUT IF WE DID THE THINGS YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, WE COULD HELP AVOID SOME OF THOSE KINDS OF INCIDENTS FROM HAPPENING IN THE FUTURE, IS THAT RIGHT, MR. HOMAN, THE GUY WHO HAS LIVED IT, BREATHED IT, MANAGED IT, YOU KNOW -- YOU HAD MORE EXPERTISE THAN ANYONE IN THE ROOM; IS THAT RIGHT? 15:11:50 I BELIEVE SO. LET ME RESPOND TO THE CHILD THAT DIED IS TRAGIC. IF I CAN HAVE 30 SECOND. HERE IS THE PICTURE, SERENITY, 9 MONTHS OLD. HERE IS IRANA RAPED REPEATEDLY AND KILLED BY AN ILLEGAL ALIEN. MULTIPLE RAPES AND MURED BY ILLEGAL ALIEN, 16-YEAR-OLD, LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER, I HAVE HUNDREDS OF THESE IN MY DESK DRAWER. I HAVE SEEN TEARS FROM PEOPLE TODAY, IT'S TRAGIC WHEN SOMEBODY DAD. DON'T FORGET ANGEL MOMS THAT I GOT TO KNOW, THEIR CHILDREN DIED AND THEY ARE SEPARATED FOREVER, THERE'S NOT A MATTER OF LOCATION, THEY ARE DEAD, A SECURE BORDER WOULD HELP PREVENT SOME OF THAT. SANCTUARY DOES NOT HELP THIS, SANCTUARIES HELP INCREASE BECAUSE THE PUSH OF SANCTUARY CITIES COME TO THE COUNTRY TO PROTECT YOU, YOU CAN COMMIT A CRIME WHEN YOU'RE IN COUNTY JAIL, WE WILL NOT LET ICE IN THE JAIL, ANYBODY CAN LOOK THEM UP. 50% REOFFEND FIRST YEAR, THEY'RE IN THE COUNTRY ILLEGALLY IN VIOLATION OF PRESENT LAW. THEY ARE LOCKED UP IN COUNTY JAIL, LET US HAVE ACCESS TO THEM AND DO OUR JOB. 15:13:14 THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MS. KELLY. 15:13:18 THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. 15:13:27 MY COLLEAGUE SAID, I COME FROM A LAW ENFORCEMENT FAMILY TOO AND I WOULD JUST SAY -- YOU MADE SOME COMMENT ABOUT WHAT WE WANT TO DO AWAY WITH ICE, I NEVER SAID I WANTED TO DO AWAY WITH ICE AND I JUST FEEL LIKE THERE'S A LOT OF GENERALIZATIONS GOING ON AND, YOU KNOW, WE TALK ABOUT INVITING PEOPLE IN MAKING IT EASIER, MY DISTRICT IS URBAN, SUBURBAN AND RURAL AND I HAVE 1200 FARMS IN MY DISTRICT AND I KNOW A LOT OF MY FARMERS ARE REPUBLICAN AND THEY'VE TOLD ME THAT THEY HAVE MIGRANTS WORKING FOR THEM UNDOCUMENTED FOLKS WORKING FOR THEM, SO IF WE WOULD HAVE DONE BETTER WITH IMPROVING IMMIGRATION OR MAKING A PATHWAY AND WHERE THERE WAS BIPARTISAN GANG OF 8 IN THE SENATE AND WE DIDN'T EVEN ENTERTAIN THE BILL IN THE HOUSE, WHEN WE HAD A REPUBLICAN SPEAKER, SO WE CAN ALWAYS SAY THERE'S THINGS THAT COULD HAVE BEEN DONE AND I COULD THINK OF THINGS THAT COULD HAVE BEEN DONE THAT HAVEN'T BEEN DONE, SO -- AND I KNOW PEOPLE THAT ARE REPUBLICANS THAT ARE DEMOCRATS THAT FEEL LIKE WE NEED TO DO A MUCH BETTER JOB. ALL THE CONDEMNING IS VERY INTERESTING, ANYWAY, I WANTED TO FOCUS ON THE HOMESTEAD SHELTER IN FLORIDA, LARGEST FACILITY TO HAVE AND CARE FOR IMMIGRANT CHILDREN RUN FOR NON-FOR-PROFIT AND I WILL SAY YOUR NAME CORRECTLY, YOU TESTIFIED ABOUT CHILDREN IN HOMESTEAD FACILITY AND YOU WERE, QUOTE, CONCERNED ABOUT NUMEROUS VIOLATIONS OF THE FLORIDA SETTLEMENT AGREEMENT, CAN YOU DESCRIBE WHAT YOUR CONCERNS ARE AND WHAT THE CONDITIONS ARE? 15:15:13 HOMESTEAD HOUSES THOUSANDS OF CHILDREN, MORE THAN 2,000 AND SET TO EXPAND TO 3,000, ENVIRONMENT THAT'S NOT CONDUCIVE TO CHILDREN'S WELL-BEING, CHILDREN GET LOST IN THE CRACKS THERE. WHEN I INTERVIEWED CHILDREN THERE IN MARCH 2019, MY COLLEAGUES AND I FOUND A 14-YEAR-OLD BOY THERE WHO WAS LEGALLY BLIND, HE WEIGHED 66 POUNDS AND WAS 4'9-INCHES TALL HE WAS INDIGENOUS LANGUAGE SPEAKER, FIRST LANGUAGE IS APECO, HE HAD BEEN DETAINED 120 DAYS. HE SUBSEQUENTLY RECEIVED INCIDENT REPORTS, WE WERE CONCERNED ABOUT WELL-BEING, WE REQUESTED FULL FILE, DOCUMENTED INCIDENTS, MULTIPLE INCIDENTS WHERE HE HAD BEEN ASSAULTED INCLUDING BEING PUSHED BY OTHER CHILDREN, PUNCHED IN THE GROWING. I -- FATHER HAD BEEN DESPERATELY TRYING TO REUNITE WITH THIS CHILD. IT TOOK US THREATENING TO SUE TO GET THIS CHILD OUT OF HOMESTEAD. 15:16:30 OKAY, OFFICE OF INSPECTOR GENERAL INVESTIGATING CONDITIONS AT THIS FACILITY? 15:16:38 INDEED. HOMESTEAD WAS ONE OF THEM. SINCE THEN WE'VE BEEN DOWN THERE SEVERAL TIMES OFFERING TECHNICAL ASSISTANCE AND OUTREACH TO THAT FACILITY AND WE CONTINUE TO APPLY OVERSIGHT TO HOMESTEAD. 15:16:50 HOW CAN THEY STAY OPEN WITH REPORTS LIKE THIS? 15:16:56 WELL, THE WORK THAT WE DID IS ONGOING, I WILL HAVE TO PAUSE AND WAIT UNTIL THAT BECOMES PUBLIC. AT THAT POINT I WOULD BE HAPPY TO PREVIEW YOU AND YOUR STAFF, WE LOOKED AT SAFETY ISSUES THAT AFFECT CHILDREN IN FACILITIES. 15:17:13 MR. CHAIR, I WOULD LIKE TO ENTER THE ARTICLE FOR THE RECORD. 15:17:16 CUMMINGS WITHOUT OBJECTION, SO ORDERED. 15:17:21 THE ARTICLE EXPLAINS A STORY OF 15-YEAR-OLD WHO WAS STRIPPED FROM HIS FAMILY BY CBP DURING TRAFFIC STOP AND TRANSFERRED AND TREATED AS an UNACCOMPANIED MINOR, THE CHILD LIVED IN THE UNITED STATES SINCE HE WAS 9 MONTH'S OLD, CHILDREN WHO HAVE BEEN LIVING IN THE U.S. FOR NEARLY ENTIRELY LIVES. WITH THAT SAID, I WOULD LIKE TO ENTER INTO THE RECORD THE STATUTORY DEFINITION OF UNACCOMPANIED MINOR ALSO WHICH INCLUDES NO PARENT OR LEGAL GUARDIAN IN THE UNITED STATES AND NO PARENT OR LEGAL GUARDIAN IN THE UNITED STATES AVAILABLE TO PROVIDE CARE AND PHYSICAL CUSTODY, THIS 15-YEAR-OLD BY OUR OWN STATUTORY DEFINITION IS NOT AN UNACCOMPANIED MINOR. MS. COSTELLO, ARE YOU AWARE OF THIS PRACTICE? 15:18:15 WE ARE AWARE OF SEPARATIONS BUT CURRENTLY WE HAVE NO PUBLIC REPORTING ON ANY OF THAT, THOSE ISSUES THAT YOU DESCRIBED. 15:18:23 AND YOUR POLICY IN UNDOCUMENTED CHILDREN IN THE U.S.? 15:18:34 WE MAY PROVIDE OVERSIGHT, WE ARE NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR IMPLEMENTING POLICY OR CREATING POLICY IN ANY WAY. 15:18:48 YOU WERE TRYING TO ADMIT ONE DOCUMENT OR TWO? 15:18:51 TWO. 15:18:53 OH, I DIDN'T -- 15:18:55 THE DEFINITION OF UNACCOMPANIED -- 15:18:56 WITHOUT OBJECTION, SO ORDERED TO BOTH OF THOSE DOCUMENTS. MS. TLABIB. 15:19:07 REP. TLABIB 15:19:07 THANK YOU VERY MUCH, I APPRECIATE THIS HEARING, THANK YOU ALL FOR BEING HERE. I BELIEVE IN THE IMPORTANCE OF WHISTLEBLOWERS, SOMETIMES THE TRUTH TELLERS ESPECIALLY TO COMMITTEE, WE KNOW THAT EMPLOYEES HAVE DECIDED TO -- DECIDED TO STICK TO THEIR LIVE -- DECIDED TO STICK OUT THEIR LIVELIHOOD AND PUT COURAGE AND COUNTRY FIRST AND TO THE CHAIR BEFORE I BEGIN QUESTIONING I WOULD LIKE TO SUBMIT TWO DOCUMENTS, THE FIRST IS A JULY 17TH, 2018 LETTER TO SENATE WHISTLEBLOWER CAUCUS CHAIRS AND COMMENT SUBMITTED ON PROPOSED RULE BY IMMIGRATION AND CUSTOM BUREAU. 15:19:46 WITHOUT OBJECTION, SO ORDERED. 15:19:48 THANK YOU. DR. SCOTT OR DOCTORS ELLEN ARE TWO WHISTLEBLOWERS, THEY TRIED TO WARN YOUR OFFICE, MS. CASTILLO, MIGRANT CHILDREN WERE GOING TO DIE IN CUSTODY, DOES THAT SOUND FAMILIAR AT ALL? 15:20:11 THAT ONE IN PARTICULAR ARE NOT RINGING ANY BELLS RIGHT NOW. 15:20:15 QUOTE, WE WARRANTED DHS THAT MIGRANT CHILD COULD DIE IN CUSTODY YET WHISTLE BLOWERS WERE COMPLETELY IGNORED BY THE OFFICE, THEIR LAWYERS TELL US THAT NO ONE EVER RESPONDED TO CONDITION SENT AT ALL DESPITE MULTIPLE ATTEMPTS TO CONNECT WITH YOU. 15:20:30 SO AS YOU SAID, WE TAKE WHISTLEBLOWER CONCERNS EXTREMELY CAREFULLY, WE TAKE ALL OF THOSE CASES AND ALLEGATIONS INTO CONSIDERATION. I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH THE ISSUE THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT BUT -- BUT MY OFFICE CAN GET BACK TO YOU WITH SOME INFORMATION. 15:20:44 DO I APPRECIATE THAT. 15:20:47 THE NEXT THING I WANT TO TALK ABOUT IS WE BROUGHT FORTH CHILDREN, THERE'S BACK AND FORTH ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THIS SEEMS TO ALWAYS BE THE SENSE AND MAYBE BECAUSE I'M NEW BECAUSE WHO TO BLAME, WHERE DID IT START, WHAT THE CAUSE IS, THE PROBLEM IS THE CRISIS IS HERE. EVERYBODY WANTS TO STICK IN HOW WE GOT HERE, BUT WE ARE HERE NOW AND THE RESPONSIBILITY IS ON US TO ADDRESS IT. AND THERE'S A SENSE OF URGENCY, AT LEAST MY PART TO ADDRESSING THIS BUT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT REALLY WAS PROFOUND WAS WHEN ONE OF THOSE CPP AGENTS TOOK ME ASIDE EVEN THOUGH ON TRUCKS, IF YOU LOOK AT TRUCKS ANYWHERE, THERE'S A TERM THAT SAYS HONOR FIRST. ARE YOU FAMILIAR WITH THAT, MR. HOMAN, HONOR FIRST, WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? EXACTLY IT SAYS, BUT THERE'S ALSO STICKING TOGETHER, NOT TELLING ON EACH OTHER, KIND OF CULTURE, BUT A COUPLE OF 3 DIFFERENT AGENTS, ONE SAID STOP SENDING MONEY, IT'S NOT WORKING, HE LITERALLY SAID TO ME IN A WHISPER. ONE SAID WE WEREN'T TRAINED TO DO THIS, I'M NOT A SOCIAL WORKER NOR MEDICAL CARE WORKER AND ANOTHER VERY COURAGEOUSLY, SOMEBODY THAT MANY OF MY COLLEAGUES WOULD BE SURPRISE TODAY KNOW SAID THIS TO ME BUT HE SAID THE SEPARATION POLICY ISN'T WORKING. THE MORALE HAS BEEN OUT OF LAW ENFORCEMENT, MORALE OF AGENTS IN CPP ARE AMONG THE LOWEST AND SUICIDE IS ACTUALLY INCREASED OVER 100 AGENTS EVEN WHEN YOU WERE THERE, MR. HOMAN, WE TALK ABOUT DEHUMANIZATION OF CHILDREN AND SO FORTH BUT WE ALSO UNDERSTAND THERE IS A NUMBER OF STRESSES AND I CAN FEEL IT FROM YOU, MR. HOMAN RIGHT NOW. BUT I ALSO HESITATION THAT YOU HESITATE TO SHAKE MY HAND AND I WANTED YOU TO KNOW AND PAUSED, I THOUGHT, DID I DO ANYTHING FOR YOU TO PAUSE AND NOT SHAKE MY HAND EVEN THOUGH I WAS TELLING THE TRUTH, WHAT I SAW, AND I'M NOT BLAMING THE AGENTS, I'M NOT BLAMING -- I'M BLAMING THE BROKEN IMMIGRATION SYSTEM JUST LIKE YOU ARE. WE HAVE TO DECIDE AND HAVE COURAGE IN THIS CHAMBER OF WHETHER OR NOT WE PROCEED IN FIXING IT AND IF IT'S YOUR ROUTE OF -- OF CLOSING BORDERS AND ALL THAT, GREAT, LET'S DEBATE THAT U BUT ONE OF THE THINGS I'M TAKING ABACK IS THE CHILDREN 7 YEAR'S OLD THAT WE ARE SEPARATING, AVERAGE AGE IS 7 YEAR'S OLD, THE TRAUMA WITH WILL CREATE IS GOING TO BE A GENERATION THAT I DON'T THINK WE WILL EVER BE ABLE TO TRULY ADDRESS. I KNOW THAT YOU CAN'T TALK ABOUT IT, I AGREE WITH THE AGENT THAT SEPARATION POLICY ISN'T WORKING, TO WHAT WE ARE DOING THERE AND WE KNOW THE ADMINISTRATION AND YOU MAY NOT BE ABLE TO SPEAK ABOUT IT, WAS TRYING IN WAYS TO PREVENT PEOPLE FROM COMING, BUT IT DIDN'T, IT WASN'T ABOUT THE -- I WILL TELL YOU RIGHT NOW, THE MAN THAT WAS FROM BRAZIL, WHEN I TOLD HIM IN ENGLISH AND HE UNDERSTOOD A LITTLE BIT BECAUSE HE SPOKE -- HIS SPANISH, HE DIDN'T SPEAK SPANISH, HE HAD A LOT OF ISSUES OF LANGUAGE AND I'M SORRY, MR. CHAIRMAN, JUST, YOU KNOW, HE -- I TOLD HIM, YOU KNOW THEY MIGHT SEPARATE YOU FROM YOUR CHILD, HE SAID, NO, NO, NO, NO, THAT CAN'T HAPPEN AND I SAID BUT THAT'S THE POLICY RIGHT NOW THAT WE HAVE, YOU MIGHT SEE 14 OR 8-YEAR-OLD DAUGHTER ANYMORE AND I CAN'T SIT BY AND SAY THAT IS OKAY, THE ONE THING WE CAN DO IN THIS CHAMBER WE CAN AGREE TO SEPARATION POLICY NEEDS TO STOP. MORE MONEY TOWARDS SUPPORTING SEPARATION POLICY NEEDS TO STOP, I DON'T WANT AN AGENT TO KILL THEMSELVES, I I DON'T WANT CAREFUL AGENT IN TOP LEVEL, NOT ONE THAT IS AT BORDER, PUT ME AT THE BORDER HE SAID, THAT'S WHERE I BELONG, NOT HERE WITH THESE CHILDREN. THANK YOU, MR. SPEAKER. 15:25:03 THANK YOU VERY MUCH. MR. GREEN. 15:25:07 THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I WANT EVERYBODY TO THINK OF A BUSY EMERGENCY DEPARTMENT, BUSY EMERGENCY DEPARTMENT IN INNER CITY IN A MASSIVE NATURAL DISASTER OCCURS AND THERE ARE HUNDREDS OF PATIENTS NOW FLOODING THAT EMERGENCY DEPARTMENT U THEY ARE TREATING PEOPLE IN HALLWAYS, THEY ARE TREATING PEOPLE IN THE PARKING LOT. IT IS A CRISIS, MASSIVE CRISIS, PATIENTS EVERYWHERE. IT'S NOT THE DOCTOR'S FAULT THAT PATIENTS ARE EVERYWHERE, IT'S NOT THE NURSE'S FAULT THAT THE CRISIS HAS SUDDENLY OVERWHELMED THE EMERGENCY DEPARTMENT AND IT IS RIDICULOUS TO ASSERT THAT. THE PROBLEM IS THAT THE PIPE ISN'T BIG ENOUGH, YOU CAN ONLY FLOW SO MUCH WATER OR SO MANY PATIENTS DURING EMERGENCY DEPARTMENT IF THERE'S 30 BEDS, 40 BEDS AND NOBODY BUILDS EMERGENCY DEPARTMENTS FOR THOUSANDS OF PATIENTS, YOU CAN'T DO THAT WHEN THE CRISIS HAPPENS IT'S NOT THE DOCTOR'S FAULT. IT'S NOT THE NURSE'S FAULT, IT IS THE DIAMETER OF THE PIPELINE. WELL, HOW DO YOU GET THE PIPELINE TO HAVE A BIGGER DIAMETER? YOU HAVE TO HAVE MORE BEDS, YOU TO HAVE MORE SPACE, YOU HAVE TO HAVE MORE MONEY. SO FOR MONTHS WE HAVE BEEN ASKING FOR BUDGET AND PEOPLE SITTING ON THE COMMITTEE WHO VOTED AGAINST MONEY TO GO TO THE PROBLEM, IN FACT, SOME PEOPLE WANT TO CLOSE THE DEPARTMENT OF HOMELAND SECURITY ENTIRELY, YET AT THE SAME TIME SCREAMINGLY NEED MORE RESOURCES ON THE BORDER. HOW -- HOW RIDICULOUS IS THAT? IT'S THEATRICS, IT'S JUST THEATRICS, THAT'S ALL IT IS. IN 1960's, THE PROGRESSIVE LIBERALS CALLED OUR SOLDIERS BABY KILLERS, REMEMBER THAT? THEY CAME HOME FROM VIETNAM AND WERE SPAT ON AND NOW CBP IS BEING CALLED NAZI CONCENTRATION CAMP OPERATORS U -- HOW INSANE IS THAT AND RIDICULOUS AND DARK DAY IN AMERICA WHEN WE CALLED OUR SOLDIERS BABY KILLERS WHEN IN FACT, THEY WERE JUST DOING WHAT THE COUNTRY HAD ASKED THEM TO DO. THEATRICS. LET ME BEGIN BY SETTING THE RECORD STRAIGHT, THIS NOTION THAT REPUBLICANS AND CONSERVATIVES ARE SOMEHOW UNCONCERNED ABOUT THE PLIGHT OF PEOPLE IS JUST WRONG AND UNFAIR. I RAN TWO FREE HEALTH CARE CLINICS IN TENNESSEE OUT OF MY OWN POCKET AND WE GET PROGRESSIVE LIBERALS SAYING WE NEED MORE TAXES TO TAKE CARE OF MORE PEOPLE, I SAY COME VOLUNTEER IN THE CLINIC, IF YOU REALLY CARE, YOU KNOW HOW MANY HAVE TAKEN ME UP ON IT IN 4 YEARS, NONE, NOT A SINGLE ONE HAS COME AND VOLUNTEERED IN MY FREE HEALTHCARE CLINICS. WHILE I'VE OFFERED IT AND OFFERED IT, THEATRICS. AS POLITICO REPORTED IN AN ARTICLE LAST MONTH, U.S. BORDER PATROL APPREHENDED NEARLY 85,000 FAMILY MEMBERS IN MAY, 44% INCREASE OVER THE PRIOR MONTH, HISTORIC HIGH FOR COMPARISON THE BORDER PATROL APPREHENDED 107,000 FAMILY MEMBERS IN ALL OF 2018. WE'VE HAD A NATURAL DISASTER AND THE ER IS OVERWHELMED, THEY NEED RESOURCES, THEY NEED CONGRESS TO DO OUR JOB. WHAT DOES THE LEFT WANT TO DO? 15:29:04 LET'S -- WE DIDN'T ACKNOWLEDGE THAT THERE WAS A CRISIS WHEN WE PROBABLY SHOULD HAVE, SO LET'S JUST BLAME PRESIDENT TRUMP, WE WILL SAY HE'S THE ONE PUTTING THESE KIDS IN CAGES, OH, WAIT, THAT PICTURE WAS FROM 2015U OBAMA WAS PRESIDENT, RIGHT. RETRIED TO PLAY IT OFF AND NOW WE'VE BEEN CAUGHT, OH, LET'S JUST BLAME THE PRESIDENT. THEATRICS. LISTEN, IT'S TIME FOR CONGRESS TO DO ITS JOB AND GET THE RESOURCES TO THESE MEN AND WOMEN WHO ARE ON THE BORDER TAKING CARE OF THIS CRISIS. MR. CHAIRMAN, I THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SHARE MY PERSPECTIVE AND I YIELD MY TIME BACK. 15:29:53 BEFORE I DO GLOBAL MARKET ACTION OVERNIGHT TO MS. ALEXANDRIA OCASIO-CORTEZ, LET ME SAY THAT BOTH SIDES ON THE AISLE I THINK WE NEED TO BE CAREFUL ABOUT HOW WE TALK ABOUT THE MOTIVES ABOUT COLLEAGUES. I BELIEVE THAT EVERYONE IS OPERATING IN GOOD FAITH AND I JUST WANT US TO BE HAVE CAREFUL WITH THAT. WITH THAT, MS. OCASIO-CORTEZ. 15:30:23 THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. EARLIER MY COLLEAGUE FROM MARYLAND, ASKED THE PANEL HOW MANY PEOPLE HERE BELIEVED THAT CHILD SEPARATION IS AN EFFECTIVE POLICY IN DETERRING AND NO ONE ON THE PANEL RAISED THEIR HAND. I JUST WANTED TO NOTE THAT FOR THE RECORD, MR. CHAIR. I WANTED TO ASK A REQUEST FROM PROFESSOR, IS THE UNITED STATES VIOLATING OR VIOLATED HUMAN RIGHTS AGREEMENTS SET BY THE UNITED NATIONS IN A FAMILY SEPARATION POLICY? 15:31:02 YES. INTERNATIONAL LAW IS CLEAR THAT FAMILY UNITY SHOULD BE PRIORITIZE. 15:31:10 SO WE AS MEMBERS OF UNITED NATIONS SIGNED ON THAT FAMILY SEPARATION IS VIOLATION OF HUMAN RIGHTS AND THAT VIOLATES HUMAN RIGHTS. YOU KNOW, MR. CHAIR, I WAS LOOKING HOW HOW DID WE GET TO THIS POINT, HOW DID WE GET TO THIS POINT WHERE WE TAKE CHILDREN OUT OF MOTHERS AND FATHERS' ARMS. YOU KNOW, IT DATED BACK -- FAMILY SEPARATION THE WAY THAT WE HAVE SEEN IT, TAKE CHILDREN AWAY FROM THEIR PARENTS WITHOUT DUE PROCESS BEGAN LAST YEAR UNDER SECRETARY KIRSTJEN NIELSEN BUT I HAVE TO DIG FURTHER AND OUR STAFF DUG FURTHER, BUT WHERE DID THIS START WITHIN THE ADMINISTRATION SHE IMPLEMENTED AND WE FOUND A MEMO DATES BACK TO APRIL 23RD OF 201 WHERE THERE WAS AN OFFICIAL RECOMMENDATION TO, QUOTE, PURSUE PROSECUTION OF ALL AMENABLE ADULTS WHO CROSSED OUR BORDER, QUOTE, ILLEGALLY EVEN THOUGH THIS APPLIED TO LEGAM ASYLUM SEEKERS AND PRACTICE INCLUDING THOSE PREVENTING WITH FAMILY UNIT BETWEEN PORTS OF ENTRY IN COORDINATION WITH DOJ. HERE IS THE MEMO THAT I WOULD LIKE TO SUBMIT TO CONGRESSIONAL RECORD. 15:32:31 WHAT'S THE DATE OF THAT? 15:32:32 MEMORANDUM FOR THE SECRETARY FROM HOMELAND SECURITY. 15:32:37 DATE. 15:32:39 APRIL 23RD, 2018, INCREASING PROSECUTIONS. 15:32:43 WITHOUT OBJECTION. 15:32:45 AND SO I LOOKED AT THIS MEMO AND IT SEEMS LIKE THIS THE SOURCE OF IT AND IT SEEMS AS THOUGH, MR. HOMAN, YOU ARE THE AUTHOR. IT SAYS FROM YOURSELF, KEVIN M MACALEENAN. 15:33:11 I HAVE TO SEE -- 15:33:12 I WOULD BE HAPPY TO PROVIDE. I WILL PROVIDE IT OVER HERE THE OFFICIAL RECOMMENDATION, THERE WAS 3 DIFFERENT OPTIONS PREVENTED, THE THIRD INCLUDED THE OPTION FOR FAMILY SEPARATION, THIS EFFICIENTIVE WOULD PURSUE PROSECUTION OF ALL AMENABLE ADULTS INCLUDING THOSE PRESENTED WITH FAMILY UNIT. MR. HOMAN, YOUR NAME IS ON THIS, CORRECT? 15:33:38 YES, I SENT THE MEMO. 15:33:40 SO YOU ARE THE AUTHOR OF THE FAMILY SEPARATION POLICY? 15:33:43 I'M NOT THE AUTHOR OF THE MEMO. 15:33:46 YOU SIGNED THE MEMO? 15:33:48 YES. ZERO TOLERANCE MEMO. 15:33:52 SO YOU PROVIDED THE OFFICIAL RECOMMENDATION TO SECRETARY NIELSEN ON FAMILY -- 15:33:57 I GAVE SECRETARY NUMEROUS RECOMMENDATIONS ON HOW TO SECURE THE BORDER AND SAVE LIVES. 15:34:04 YOU GAVE HER NUMEROUS ACTIONS BUT THE RECOMMEND WAS OPTION 3, FAMILY SEPARATION. 15:34:09 I UNDERSTAND THIS IS NOT THE ONLY PAPER WHERE WE WERE GIVEN TO SECRETARY, OPTIONS TO SECURE THE BORDER AND SAVE LIVES. 15:34:16 AND SO THE RECOMMENDATION OF THE MANY THAT YOU RECOMMENDED, YOU RECOMMENDED FAMILY SEPARATION? 15:34:22 I RECOMMENDED ZERO TOLERANCE. 15:34:24 WHICH INCLUDES FAMILY SEPARATION? 15:34:26 SAME AS IS WITH EVERY U.S. CITIZEN PARENT GETS ARRESTED WITH A CHILD. 15:34:35 ZERO TOLERANCE WAS INTERPRETED AS THE POLICY THAT SEPARATED -- 15:34:37 IF I GET ARRESTED FOR DUI AND I HAVE A YOUNG CHILD I WILL BE SEPARATED. WHEN I WAS POLICE OFFICER IN NEW YORK, THERE WAS A CHILD -- 15:34:48 MR. HOMAN, LEGAL ASYLEE ARE NOT CHARGED WITH ANY CRIME. 15:34:56 ENTERING THE COUNTRY -- 15:34:57 SEEKING ASYLUM IS LEGAL. 15:35:02 YOU WANT TO SEEK ASYLUM GO TO PORT OF ENTRY AND DO LEGAL WAY. THE ATTORNEY GENERAL HAS MADE THAT CLEAR. 15:35:09 OKAY, MR. CHAIR, THE MEMO IS SUBMITTED TO THE RECORD FOR REVIEW. INSPECTOR GENERAL COSTELLO, ONE LAST THING, IS THERE A RECORD BASED ON REPORTS THROUGHOUT THE YEAR THERE WAS WE SPOKE WITH MS. JUAREZ, MOTHER WHO LOST CHILD, THERE'S NO ACCURATE RECORD AND NO POLICY BEING HELD OF PEOPLE WHO ARE PREGNANT AND PEOPLE WHO ENDURE MISCARRIAGES. IS THERE A RECORD OF WHO ENTERS FACILITIES? 15:35:46 I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH THE INSTANCE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT BUT I DO BELIEVE THE FAMILIES KEEP CUSTODY LAWS, SO I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH THE INCIDENT THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. 15:35:57 WHERE WILL YOU FIND RECORDS? 15:35:59 I BELIEVE ALL FACILITIES KEEP THEM ON SITE, CBP AND ICE FACILITIES. 15:36:05 IF YOU BELIEVE RECORDS ARE NOT -- QUESTION FIND THAT RECORDS ARE NOT ACCESSIBLE DO YOU BELIEVE COMMITTEE SHOULD SEEK OF LOCATION OF CHILDREN AND THOSE WHO ARE DETAINED? 15:36:16 WELL, WE WOULD NEVER OPINE WHAT THE COMMITTEE WOULD ASK AND NOT REQUEST. 15:36:22 THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 15:36:27 THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 15:36:33 THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. HOME TO 40% OF RESIDENTS ARE IMMIGRANTS AND TODAY THOSE RESIDENTS, THOSE FAMILIES ARE LIVING IN CONSTANT FEAR AT THE HANDS OF THIS ADMINISTRATION, FUNDAMENTALLY BROKEN IMMIGRATION SYSTEM HAS BEEN WEPONIZED, ON WEDNESDAY WE HEARD HEARTBREAKING TESTIMONY FROM JASMINE WHO LOST 19-MONTH-OLD BABY GIRL AFTER PLEADING TO PROVIDE MEDICAL CARE OR MEDICINE, I HAVE NO SHORTAGE OF FURY FOR THIS INJUSTICE, THIS TIME I WOULD LIKE TO INSTEAD TRYING TO FOCUS ON SAVING A LIFE. MR. HOMAN, I AGREE WITH YOU THERE'S BEEN MUCH TOO MUCH AND IN THAT VAIN I WANT TO ENLIST YOUR PARTNERSHIP, THE PARTNERSHIP IN SAVING THE LIVES. RIGHT NOW ICE IS DEPRIVING ASYLUM SEEKER MARIANA OF ADEQUATE MEDICAL CARE, MARIANA IS BEING HELD IN LAREDO, TEXAS, PRIVATE FOR PROFIT DETENTION FACILITY, 5 AND 7-YEAR-OLD BABIES SEPARATED FROM HER AND SENT THOUSANDS OF MILES AWAY TO CHICAGO, A DOCTOR AT THE DETENTION CENTER SAID SHE'S AT RISK FOR HYSTERECTOMY IF SHE'S NOT RELEASED AND RECEIVE PROPER MEDICAL ATTENTION. BY NOTIFYING OF SERIOUS MEDICAL CONDITION THEY REFUSED TO OFFER ADEQUATE CARE, EARLIER THIS WEEK MARIANA LOST CONSCIOUSNESS, LAWYERS AND FAMILIES ARE DESPERATE TO GET HER MEDICAL CARE. MR. HOMAN IN YOUR EXPERT VIEW CAN YOU INSTRUCT AND ADVICE ME HOW TO E LIVATE MARIANA'S CASE AND ENSURE SHE GETS THE MED -- MEDICAL CARE YOU NEED. 15:38:39 LET ME BE CLEAR ABOUT THE CASE TALKED ABOUT YESTERDAY, I REMEMBER THAT CASE. 15:38:53 THE MOTHER DIDN'T GO TO 2 OF THEM. 15:38:55 I'M TRYING TO MAKE A STATEMENT -- 15:38:56 WE CAN ALL AGREE THAT IT WAS A TRAGEDY THAT THAT BABY DIED, OKAY, I DON'T WANT -- I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT THE PAST, I'M TALKING ABOUT THE PRESENT AND WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO SAVE A LIFE AND I'M ASKING YOU IN YOUR EXPERT OPINION WHAT SHOULD BE DONE AND HOW CAN WE ELEVATE -- 15:39:16 I AM NOT GOING TO LET COMMENTS STAND WITHOUT RESPONSE. THIS IS ABOUT TRANSPARENCY TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE, IS IT NOT? 15:39:27 MR. HOMAN -- [INAUDIBLE] 15:39:27 HOLD HOLD UP. WAIT A MINUTE. WAIT A MINUTE. LET ME MAKE YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT'S GOING ON HERE. WE ARE TALKING ABOUT TWO CASES IS THAT -- IS THAT RIGHT? 15:39:43 YES. I WAS REFERENCING THE TRAGEDY OF A BABY THAT WE'VE ALREADY LOST. 15:39:49 RIGHT. 15:39:50 THERE'S A WOMAN IN CARE RIGHT NOW -- 15:39:51 YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT -- OKAY. I WANT TO MAKE SURE I WAS CLEAR. 15:39:56 I'M JUST SEEKING HIS EXPERT COUNSEL ON WHAT IS THE PROCEDURE AND WHAT CAN BE DONE TO ELEVATE THIS WOMAN'S CASE TO GET HER THE MEDICAL ATTENTION THAT THE DETENTION DOCTORS HAVE SAID ARE ESSENTIAL TO KEEPING HER HEALTHY AND ALIVE. 15:40:10 VERY WELL, LET ME ASK YOU REAL QUICK, SO -- TELL WHAT YOU SAY YOU CAN DO TOO TO HELP IN THAT INFORMATION, SIR. 15:40:22 TO MAKE A STATEMENT ABOUT A BABY THAT DIDN'T -- 15:40:24 RECLAIMING MY TIME. [INAUDIBLE CONVERSATIONS] 15:40:32 HEARING FOR TRANSPARENCY PEOPLE OR NOT? 15:40:34 MR. HOMAN, I'M NOT REVISITING THE PAST. 15:40:36 OF COURSE NOT. 15:40:39 I SAID IT WAS A TRAGEDY AND WE CAN ALL AGREE THERE HAVE BEEN FAR TOO MANY TRAGEDIES, YOU SAID THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF DEATHS, LET'S STOP THE DEATHS. 15:40:45 YOU CAN'T BLAME THE FIRST DATE ON ICE. 15:40:48 TO SAVE A WOMAN'S LIFE. 15:40:52 CONTACT -- CONTACT ICE DIRECTOR -- 15:40:53 RECLAIM ON THE TIME AND IN YOUR EXPERT OPINION WHERE A PERSON LOSES CONSCIOUSNESS IN CUSTODY AND SEPARATED FROM HER BABY FOR MONTHS, HOW DOES A MEMBER OF THE UNITED STATES CONGRESS GET AN ANSWER ABOUT HER CASE FROM ICE? 15:41:07 I WILL MAKE AN URGENT PHONE CALL IF THAT'S FACTS ARE ACCURATE, I WILL MAKE URGENT PHONE CALL TO ACTING DIRECTOR MATT, SPENT NEARLY HALF A BILLION DOLLARS IN FACILITIES, I'M SURE ALL THE FACTS THAT PRESENTED AREN'T THE FACTS. 15:41:23 RECLAIMING MY TIME, WHAT DOES IT TAKE TO ELEVATE A CARE TO ENSURE A WOMAN RECEIVES MEDICAL CARE? 15:41:31 SO OBVIOUSLY YOU CAN CONTACT MY OFFICE AND ISSUE COMPLAINT THROUGH HOTLINE, YOU CAN SEND A LETTER THROUGH US BUT AS MR. HOMAN -- 15:41:39 RECLAIMING. INDIVIDUALS HAVE ACCESS TO HEALTHCARE SPECIALISTS AND OUTSIDE CARE? 15:41:45 WE DO PERIODIC UNANNOUNCED INSPECTIONS AT BOTH CBP AND ICE FACILITIES AND COMPARE THE SITUATIONS WE OBSERVED AGAINST EITHER THE TED STANDARDS OR STANDARDS FOR ICE FACILITIES AND WHEN WE IDENTIFY ISSUES OF GRAVE CONCERN WE REPORT ON THEM AND WE NOTIFY ICE AS PART OF THAT PROCESS. 15:42:07 AND SINCE -- SINCE SEPTEMBER 2018, AT LEAST 7 IMMIGRANT CHILDREN HAVE DIED WHILE OR AFTER BEING IN FEDERAL IMMIGRATION CUSTODY. BASE AND WHAT YOUR OFFICE HAS SEEN AND REPORTED ON, DO YOU HAVE ANY CONCERNS OF CONDITIONS OF DETENTION CENTERS AT THE BORDER CAN LEAD TO MORE DEATHS? 15:42:22 THE GENERAL LADY'S TIME HAS EXPIRED BUT YOU MAY ANSWER THE QUESTION, GO AHEAD. 15:42:29 BASED ON WHAT WE REPORTED, WE ARE GRAVELY CONCERNED ABOUT CONDITIONS IN CBP FACILITIES AT THE BORDER AND CONCERNED THAT IT COULD LEAD ADDITIONAL SECURITY INCIDENTS AND OBVIOUSLY HIGH-RISK OF DISEASE. 15:42:45 THANK YOU VERY MUCH. MR. HOMAN, I CAN'T SIT HERE AS A MEMBER OF CONGRESS AND HEAR ABOUT SOMEBODY POSSIBLY DYING AND NOT DO WHAT I CAN DO SAVE THEM. I THINK WE ALL FEEL THE SAME WAY ON BOTH SIDES OF THE AISLE. I'M NOT -- I'M NOT KNOCKING YOU, I'M GLAD THAT YOU HAVE AGREED AS SOON AS THIS HEARING IS OVER TO MAKE THAT PHONE CALL BECAUSE WE DO WANT TO SAVE EVERY LIFE THAT WE POSSIBLY CAN. 15:43:12 IF YOU CAN PROVIDE ME THE INFORMATION I WILL MAKE THE PHONE CALL. 15:43:15 HER STAFF WILL GET IT TO YOU BEFORE YOU -- BEFORE WE LEAVE, ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. TO YOU MS. COSTELLO, I'M SURE THAT HE WILL BE IN TOUCH WITH YOU AND DO ALL YOU CAN TO HELP US OUT, ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH, I REALLY APPRECIATE ALL OF THAT. NOW, WE WILL MOVE ONTO MR. CLAY. 15:43:40 THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MS. COSTELLO, IN RESPONSE TO MEDIA REPORTS A CBP SPOKESPERSON SAID AND I QUOTE, IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT THE ALLEGATIONS OF A SEXUAL ASSAULT IS ALREADY UNDER INVESTIGATION BY THE DEPARTMENT OF HOMELAND SECURITIES OFFICE, CAN YOU CONFIRM AND SHARE ANY DETAILS ABOUT THE SCOPE OF THE INVESTIGATION? 15:44:10 YES, SIR. TYPICALLY WE WOULD NEVER CONFIRM OR DENY THE EXISTENCE OF INVESTIGATION TO PROTECT THE INTEGRITY OF THE INVESTIGATION, BUT SINCE CBP HAS ALREADY CONFIRMED THAT WE ARE INVESTIGATING THAT ALLEGATIONS THAT CAME OUT OF YUMA, I WILL CONFIRM FOR YOU TODAY THAT WE ARE BUT I CAN'T SHARE ANY DETAILS WITH YOU ABOUT OUR ACTIVITY. 15:44:28 HAS ANY DISCIPLINARY ACTION BEEN TAKEN? 15:44:33 WE JUST OPENED THE CASE, WE JUST RECEIVED THE ALLEGATION AT THE END OF THE JUNE SO WE ARE IN INITIAL STAGES OF THE CASE. 15:44:40 THAT'S THE ONE WITH THE 15-YEAR-OLD FROM HONDURAS? 15:44:44 I BELIEVE -- THE ALLEGATION YOU'RE REFERRING TO COMING OUT OF YUMA. 15:44:50 LET ME ASK, YOU HEARD SEXUAL ASSAULT OR HARASSMENT OF DETAINEES AT BORDER FACILITIES? 15:45:04 LAST MONTH WHEN I WAS IN CLINT, CHILDREN REPORT TODAY ME THAT OFFICERS WERE -- HAD PUSHED CHILDREN WHO NEED TODAY USE THE BATHROOM AND PREVENTED THEM FROM USING THE TOILET WHEN THEY NEEDED TO, 3 CHILDREN REPORTED TO ME THAT A CHILD HAD BEEN GRABBED BY THE BACK OF HIS NECK AND HAD BEEN PULLED OUT OF HIS CAGE. OTHER CHILDREN CONSISTENTLY REPORTED THAT GUARDS YELLED AT THEM AND THE CHILDREN WERE TERRIFIED AND SO TERRIFIED AT THE GUARDS THAT THEY COULDN'T EVEN BRING THEMSELVES TO ASK FOR MORE FOOD, NOW, THAT SAID, I ALSO HEARD ABOUT ONE GUARD WHO WAS KIND WITH THE CHILDREN AND WHO GAVE THE LITTLE ONES AN EXTRA CHOCOLATE PUDDING WHEN HE WAS ABLE TO. 15:45:54 THANK YOU. MS. NAGDA. 15:46:00 REPRESENTATIVE U WE START IN THE POSITION WHEN CHILDREN TALK TO US AND CHOSE TO DISCLOSE, WHAT WE FIND THE CHILDREN DO NOT TELL STORIES IN VERY LINEAR WAYS THE WAY IN WHICH ADULT HAS FULLY DEVELOPED MIGHT TELL THE STORY SO WE DO HEAR A LOT OF STORIES FROM CHILDREN ABOUT TRAUMA AND VIOLENCE THAT THEY HAVE EXPERIENCED AND BOTH IN HOME COUNTRY AND AS THEY ARRIVE AT THE BORDER. 15:46:26 AND IN THESE FACILITIES, WHAT IMPACT MIGHT THAT HAVE ON THOSE CHILDREN. WHAT KIND OF PSYCHOLOGICAL EFFECT. 15:46:38 SO I THINK WHAT IS UNDISPUTED REPRESENTATIVE, WHAT IS CAUSING FAMILIES TO FLEE AND CAUSING CHILDREN TO FLEE IS EXTRAORDINARY VIOLENCE IN HOME COUNTRIES, VERY DIFFERENT DEPENDING ON THE COUNTRY, IT IS DIFFERENT DEPENDING ON THE REGION, IT MAY BE VIOLENCE PERPETRATED BY GANG, DOMESTIC VIOLENCE, CHILDREN MAY BE COMING FROM COUNTRIES WHERE THERE'S NO RESOURCES LIKE WE MIGHT HAVE HERE IN THE UNITED STATES TO ADDRESS THE SITUATIONS OF DOMESTIC OR COMMUNITY VIOLENCE, BUT THE POINT IS THEY HAVE EXPERIENCED EXTRAORDINARY TRAUMA BEFORE THEY MAKE THAT MIGRATION JOURNEY AND THEN THEY TAKE THE MIGRATION JOURNEY AND EXPERIENCE IN MANY CASES ADDITIONAL TRAUMA AND THEN THEY ARRIVE AT THE UNITED STATES AND ARE PLACED IN DETENTION AND THOUGH I'M NOT A MEDICAL EXPERT, IT IS MY UNDERSTANDING THAT WHAT THEY ARE EXPERIENCING AT THAT POINT SOMETHING CALLED COMPLEX TRAUMA THAT COMPOUNDS WHAT THAT IS EXPERIENCING, LIMIT DEVELOPMENT AND CERTAINLY AFFECT THEIR ABILITY TO TELL THEIR STORIES WHICH IS WHY THE IDEA OF RUSHING CHILDREN THROUGH IMMIGRATION PROCEEDINGS OR KEEPING THEM LOCKED UP THROUGH THEIR COURT DATE IS REALLY A HORRIFYING ONE FOR ANYONE WHO WORKS WITH CHILDREN WHO UNDERSTANDS THAT THAT IS NOT AN ENVIRONMENT IN WHICH A CHILD WILL EVER BE ABLE TO TELL THEIR STORY IN A WAY THAT ALLOW US TO UNDERSTAND WHAT IS HAPPENING AND MAKE FAIR DECISION. 15:47:54 ALL OF THIS IS EXTREMELY DISTURBING, ONE TO HAVE CLIENTS STATED THAT THE WATER TASTED LIKE CHLORINE, THE CLIENT DISCLOSED THAT THERE WERE ABOUT 30 MINORS IN THE DETENTION CENTER AS WELL. THE OTHER MINORS STARTED TO COMPLAIN ABOUT THE FOOD AND WATER THAT WAS -- THAT WAS PROVIDED TO THEM AND THE CLIENT STATED THAT THE MINOR STARTED PROTESTING ABOUT IT AND BECAUSE OF IT THE OFFICERS TOOK OUT ALL OF THE SLEEPING MATS, ARE YOU FAMILIAR WITH OTHER INSTANCES OF RETALIATION LIKE THAT? 15:48:32 WHEN WE WENT TO CLINT WE TALKED TO A GIRL THAT WAS IN A CELL WITH ABOUT 10 TO 20 OTHER GIRLS WHO WERE VERY YOUNG AND THE NURSE WAS BRINGING IN TWO LICE COMBS SO ALL GIRLS COULD SHARE LICE COMBS WHICH IS EXACTLY THE OPPOSITE OF WHAT YOU SHOULD DO WHEN YOU HAVE LICE AND SOMETIME LATER A GUARD CAME BACK TO GET THE TWO LICE COMBS BACK, ONE OF THE LICE COMBS WAS MISSING IN RETALIATION AS PUNISHMENT FOR LOSING A LICE COMBS EVERY NAPKIN WAS TAKEN FROM THE ROOM AND THE GIRLS HAD TO SLEEP IN CEMENT FLOOR. 15:49:14 THAT'S NOTHING BUT PURE EVIL AND MY TIME IS UP, MR. CHAIRMAN. 15:49:19 THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 15:49:22 THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. CHAIRMAN. VERY IMPORTANT TO LAY OUT PARTICULARITY WHAT HAS BEEN HAPPENING. I NOTE THAT WE PASSED VERY CONTROVERSIAL APPROPRIATION BUT AT LEAST IT GOT SOME MONEY INTO THE PIPELINE, AS CONTROVERSIAL AS IT WAS, WITH DEMOCRATS CONTROLLED THE HOUSE HAD WE ALLOWED THE SESSION TO GO ON RECESS WITH NO MORE MONEY ON THE BORDER, THEN THE BLAME WOULD HAVE BEEN MORE THAN WHAT IT ALREADY IS, BOTH SIDES HAVE TO TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR WHAT IS HAPPENING ON THAT BORDER AND I CERTAINLY THINK THAT THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION SHOULD NOT GET AWAY WITH BLAMING THE CONGRESS ENTIRELY ON -- ON -- BLAMING THE PROBLEM ENTIRELY ON CONGRESS, CONGRESS HAD JUST TAKEN OVER SO OBVIOUSLY THERE'S A LOT OF BLAME THAT COULD BE CAST. I WANT TO LOOK AT THE ADMINISTRATION'S ZERO TOLERANCE POLICY THAT FORCED THE SEPARATION OF 2800 CHILDREN THAT WE ARE STILL HEARING AND STILL LIVING WITH AND LED TO OVERCROWDING AND NOBODY WOULD WANT TO JUSTIFY. WITH THAT DECISION TO SEPARATE CHILDREN REQUIRED BY LAW -- 15:50:49 ABSOLUTELY NOT, ABSOLUTELY NOT. 15:50:54 THAT HAD TO HAVE BEEN MADE AT THE ADMINISTRATION'S LEVEL? 15:50:56 YES, THE FEDERAL COURT HAS HELD THAT IT IS UNCONSTITUTIONAL TO SEPARATE CHILDREN FROM THEIR FAMILIES FOR DETERRENCE PURPOSES, THE FIFTH AMENDMENT OF THE UNITED STATES CONSTITUTION PROTECTS FAMILY INTEGRITY. 15:51:12 NOT ONLY NOT REQUIRED BUT LAW BUT UNCONSTITUTIONAL AS IT HAPPENED. NOW, IT SHOULD BE CLEAR THAT THAT POLICY OVERLOADED THE -- THE SYSTEM. ONE OF MY FRIENDS ON THE OTHER SIDE TALKED ABOUT WHAT WHAT -- WHAT HAPPENS WHEN EMERGENCY DEPARTMENT IS OVERLOADED. LET ME LOOK AT ALTERNATIVES THAT WERE AVAILABLE, APPARENTLY THIS ADMINISTRATION DID PERMIT THE RELEASE OF IMMIGRANT FAMILIES, THE DATA I'M GIVEN IS JUNE 2017 AND THEY HAD TO REPORT INTO ICE AND FREQUENTLY CHECK IN, NOT UNTIL THIS YEAR I LEARNED THAT THERE WAS 99% SUCCESS RATE, WE FINALLY GOT SUCCESS ON SOMETHING WE DIDN'T ALL GRAB IT AND SAID THANK GOODNESS LET'S GO FROM THERE. LOOK, I BET WE DON'T HAVE 99% SUCCESS RATE WHEN WE DO BAILS FOR CRIMINALS IN OUR OWN CRIMINAL JUSTICE SYSTEM. WHY IN THE WORLD DID THAT END, WHAT DECISION -- WHAT EFFECT -- WHY DID IT END, WHAT EFFECT DOES THAT HAVE ON IMMIGRANT CHILDREN -- SEPARATING IMMIGRANT CHILDREN FROM THEIR FAMILIES? 15:52:44 THANK YOU REPRESENTATIVE, I CAN'T SPEAK TO WHY THE PROGRAM ENDED. I DO KNOW THAT WHEN THE PROGRAM ENDED WE LOST A VERY EFFECTIVE TOOL THAT ALLOWED INDIVIDUALS TO LIVE IN THE COMMUNITY TOGETHER TO FIND ATTORNEYS AND WE DO KNOW THAT WHEN FAMILIES AND CHILDREN HAVE COUNSEL THEY APPEAR AT THEIR HEARINGS, THEY PARTICIPATE IN CASES. 15:53:05 IT'S ALMOST LIKE THEY ARE AFRAID NOT TO APPEAR, THAT YOU KNOW, THEY ALREADY WERE AFRAID AT THE BORED AND THEN IF YOU GET HERE AND DON'T APPEAR AND YOU HAVE THE FULL FORCE OF LAW THAT YOU CAN UNDERSTAND INTIMIDATION THAT I BETTER GO, I BETTER GO, I BETTER GO THERE. I WAS INTERESTED, I HAD MY STAFF -- PLEASE EXPLAIN THIS TO ME, DHS INSPECTOR SYSTEM ISSUED A REPORT THAT FOUND THAT METERING MAY HAVE LED TO ADDITIONAL BORDER CROSSINGS. WE ARE TRYING TO CUT DOWN ON BORDER CROSSINGS BUT APPARENTLY METERING, I FOUND OUT, WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? LIMITS THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE WHO CAN ASK ASYLUM AT THE BORDER, COULD YOU TELL ME HOW THAT -- HOW DID THAT PROVE -- HAVE THE OPPOSITE EFFECT TO FROM WHAT WAS DESIGNED? 15:54:04 I WAS IN TIJUANA EARLIER THIS YEAR AND I WITNESSED FIRSTHAND THE PROBLEMS WITH METERING SYSTEM. 15:54:11 EXPLAIN -- EXPLAIN METERING. SOUNDS LIKE JARGON TO US. 15:54:18 THOUSANDS OF ASYLUM SEEKERS WHO WANT TO PRESENT THEMSELVES LAWFULLY AT PORT OF ENTRY, CBP OFFICERS WORK, THEY WANT TO GO TO CBP OFFICERS AND REQUEST ASYLUM, THE UNITED STATES HAS BLOCKED OFF PORTS OF ENTRY THROUGHOUT SOUTHERN BORDER AND LIMITS THE NUMBER OF ASYLUM SEEKERS WHO CAN ENTER THE COUNTRY EVERY DAY. THE FIRST DAY THAT I GOT TO TIJUANA, ZERO ASYLUM SEEKERS WERE ALLOWED TO CROSS AT THAT PORT OF ENTRY. IN SUBSEQUENT DAYS, I SAW THE NUMBERS GO UP TO 40 ASYLUM SEEKERS, 60 ASYLUM SEEKERS AND THAT IS WHAT IS HELPING TO CONTRIBUTE TO MASSIVE PROBLEMS ON THE SOUTHERN SIDE OF THE U.S. BORDER. 15:55:02 UNLAWFUL BORDER CROSSINGS? 15:55:06 EXACTLY. 15:55:07 THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. CHAIRMAN. 15:55:09 THANK YOU, MR. GARCIA, WELCOME TO OUR COMMITTEE. 15:55:11 THANK YOU SO MUCH, MR. CHAIRMAN, I'M VERY GRATEFUL FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO PARTICIPATE AS PART OF THIS PANEL ASKING QUESTIONS OF THE WITNESSES TODAY. I'D LIKE TO JUST REMIND EVERYONE OF A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT IT WAS THE THEN CHIEF LAW ENFORCEMENT OF THE LAND JEFF SESSIONS WHO INTRODUCED ZERO TOLERANCE POLICY, THAT WAS THE MESSAGE THAT THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION WANTED TO SEND TO THE WORLD, AND IT WAS THAT ANNOUNCEMENT THAT LED TO THE PECKING ORDER OF OTHER FUNCTIONARIES WITHIN THE ADMINISTRATION TO DEVELOP WHAT IS LAYED OUT IN THE MEMO PREVIOUSLY MENTIONED, THAT MR. HOMAN AND OTHERS SIGNED ONTO, THEY WERE RESPONSIBLE FOR OPERATION OF ZERO TOLERANCE POLICY, THAT IS AT THE ROOT OF FAMILY SEPARATION THAT WE HAVE COME TO KNOW AND MANY OF THE HORROR STORIES THAT WE HAVE HEARD HERE THIS AFTERNOON. MS. COSTELLO, THE INSPECTOR GENERAL'S OFFICE THAT YOU HAD REPORTED THAT SOME OF THE MOST ATROCIOUS AND INHUMANE CONDITIONS THAT OUR COUNTRY HAS EVER HEARD OF AND WITNESSED AT THE BORDER HAVE TAKEN PLACE, TO YOUR KNOWLEDGE, MS. COSTELLO, DID ANY CHILDREN DIE AT THE BORDER DURING THE OBAMA ADMINISTRATION? 15:56:38 I DON'T -- I DON'T HAVE ANY REPORTING OR FACTS ON THAT, SIR. 15:56:41 THANK YOU. I'M DEEPLY CONCERNED BY THE FINDINGS FROM MULTIPLE INDEPENDENT REPORTS THAT THE GOVERNMENT FAILED TO ADEQUATELY TRACK SEPARATED FAMILIES WHICH MADE IT MUCH HARDER TO REUNIFY THEM LATER ON. MS. MAXWELL, JANUARY HHS REPORT, FACED SIGNIFICANT CHALLENGES IN IDENTIFYING SEPARATED CHILDREN INCLUDING LACK OF INTEGRATED DATA SYSTEM TO TRACK FAMILIES ACROSS DHS AND COMPLEXITY OF DETERMINING WHICH CHILDREN SHOULD BE CONSIDERED SEPARATED. WHY WOULD INTEGRATED TRACKING SYSTEM WOULD HAVE BEEN IMPORTANT? 15:57:26 MAKE SURE THAT WE IDENTIFIED THE CHILDREN THAT WERE SEPARATED AND THE PEOPLE AND PARENTS THAT THEY WERE SEPARATED FROM THIS. WE ARE CONCERNED TODAY, THOUGH, WITH ONGOING ISSUES WITH THAT DATA SYSTEM IN PARTICULAR THE QUALITY OF INFORMATION THAT SYSTEM ABOUT CURRENT CHILDREN THAT ARE BEING SEPARATED FROM THEIR PARENTS AND THE REASONS FOR THOSE SEPARATIONS. 15:57:43 WHAT IMPACT DID THE ABSENCE OF A TRACKING SYSTEM HAVE ON THE REUNIFICATION OF SEPARATED CHILDREN? 15:57:50 IT MEANT THAT THE GOVERNMENT HAD TO SPEND SIGNIFICANT TIME JUST IDENTIFYING WHO THOSE CHILDREN WERE, SO IN THE ABSENCE OF A SYSTEM TO TRACK CHILDREN AND THEIR FAMILIES, THE GOVERNMENT FACED AN INTENSIVE EFFORT IN WHICH THEY HAD TO LOOK AT 60 DATABASES ACROSS BOTH PROGRAMS, LOOKED AT 12,000 CASE FILES AND EVEN THEN HAD TO GO TO GET CERTIFICATIONS TO IDENTIFY THE CHILDREN. 15:58:15 AND PRODUCE MORE DELAYS. THESE EGREGIOUS AND CRUEL CONDITIONS AND POLICIES ARE NOT ACCIDENTAL, MR. HOMAN, DURING YOUR TIME AS ICE DIRECTOR, DETERRENCE WAS THE ORDER OF DAY FOR YOU, THE MEMO BEARS THAT OUT EXACTLY WHAT YOU PLANNED FOR, THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION CLAIMED THEY HAD NO CHOICE BUT TO RIP CHILDREN FROM THEIR PARENTS BECAUSE THEY WERE CRIMINALLY PROSECUTING THE PARENTS PURSUANT TO ZERO TOLERANCE POLICY, AGAIN, POLICIES THAT THE ADMINISTRATION CREATED AND THAT YOU, MR. HOMAN, ACCEPTED, ENFORCED AND CHAMPIONED AS WE HAVE SEEN. LET ME REMIND EVERYONE THAT THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION TRIED TO BAN ASYLUM-SEEKING AND STARTED THE PROCESS OF METERING WHICH THEN PREVENTS PEOPLE FROM COMING THROUGH LEGAL PORTS OF ENTRY, THAT EXACERBATED THE CRISIS, PEOPLE ARE WAITING MONTHS JUST TO GET IN LINE AND BE GRANTED THE RIGHTS OF DUE PROCESS, MR. HOMAN, YOU HAVE SAID THAT MOST IMMIGRANTS ARE, QUOTE, NOT CRIMINALS OTHER THAN THE CRIMINAL ACT THAT THEY DO WHEN THEY ENTER THE COUNTRY ILLEGALLY. THAT IS WHY I THINK WE OUGHT TO REVISIT THE CRIMINALIZING DESPERATION, STRIKING SECTIONS 1325 AND 1326 OF TITLE A OF THE U.S. CODE, THE STATUTE THAT IS THE ADMINISTRATION HAS LEVERAGED TO SEPARATE THOUSANDS OF CHILDREN FROM THE FAMILIES, MR. HOMAN, DO YOU UNDERSTAND THAT THE CONSEQUENCES OF SEPARATION OF MANY CHILDREN WILL BE LIFE-LONG TRAUMA AND CARRIED ACROSS GENERATIONS, HAVE WE NOT LEARNED FROM THE JAPANESE AMERICANS, MR. HOMAN, I'M A FATHER, DO YOU HAVE CHILDREN? HOW CAN YOU POSSIBLY ALLOW THAT TO HAPPEN UNDER YOUR WATCH, DO YOU NOT CARE? IS IT BECAUSE THE CHILDREN DON'T LOOK LIKE CHILDREN THAT ARE AROUND YOU, I DON'T GET IT. HAVE YOU EVER HELD A DECEASED CHILD IN YOUR ARMS? 16:00:15 FIRST OF ALL, YOUR COMMENTS ARE DISGUSTING, I'VE SERVED MY COUNTRY -- I'VE SERVED MY COUNTRY 34 YEARS. I'VE SERVED MY COUNTRY 34 YEARS. I'VE HELD A 5-YEAR-OLD BOY, SAID A PRAYER FOR HIM BECAUSE I KNEW WHAT HIS LAST 30 MINUTES WAS LIKE. I HAD A 5-YEAR-OLD SON AT THE TIME. .. .. [INAUDIBLE] THE GENTLEMAN'S TIME HAS EXPIRED. 16:01:04 IT IS MY TIME. THE GENTLEMAN WHIPPED OFF ABOUT SEVEN DIFFERENT QUESTIONS DESIGNED TO GO AFTER CHARACTER OF MR. HOMAN AND HE SHOULD BE GIVEN A CHANCE TO RESPOND. IT WAS RIDICULOUS, THE WAY HE RATTLED THE MOUTH AND WOULD NOT LET HIM RESPOND. 16:01:23 UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT FIRST OF ALL I HAVE CIVILITY IN MY EARS. -- I HAVE THE FLOOR. 16:01:32 I UNDERSTAND AND AGREE. 16:01:38 THAT'S WHY I WAS BANGING SO WE CAN HEAR EACH PERSON SPEAK. I'VE BEEN VERY CURATED CURIOUS. MR. HOMAN DEALS WITH THE TO SAY? 16:01:47 NO ONE IN THIS ROOM HAS SEEN WHAT I'VE SEEN IN MY 34 YEAR CAREER. NO ONE HAS EXPERIENCED WHAT I'VE EXPLAINED. I SAW MANY DEAD BODIES COMING ACROSS THIS BORDER. AND IF YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT THIS MEMO, IT IS ONE OPTION TO STOP THAT. NOT JUST ABOUT ENFORCING LAW, IF YOU WANT TO LEGALIZE IMMIGRATION GOOD LUCK WITHOUT A WILL GET A HELL OF A LOT WORSE. THERE WILL BE NO CONSEQUENCE AND NOBODY WILL BE ABLE TO COME LEGALLY 31% OF WOMEN WOULD BE RAPED AND MORE CHILDREN WILL DIE. FOR A NATION OF LAW, IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT CHANGE IT. YOU'RE THE LEGISLATOR. I'M THE EXECUTIVE BRANCH. I SERVE MY COUNTRY HONORABLY FOR 34 YEARS AND I WILL NOT SAY HERE AND HAVE ANYBODY SAY I DON'T CARE ABOUT CHILDREN BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT THE SAME COLOR AS MY CHILDREN. 16:02:39 THE HEBREW MUCH IT IS MY TIME. I AM NOT AS QUESTIONS YET AND I'M QUITE A FEW. FIRST OF ALL LET ME SAY THIS TO MR. HOMAN. I AM NUMBER AND I'M HOPING -- I LISTEN TO ALL OF THIS AND SOMETIMES I THINK WE PUT ISSUES ON TOP OF ISSUES AND THERE'S QUITE A BIT OF ISSUES FLOATING AROUND. I THINK ALL OF US APPRECIATE BORDER PATROL AND THOSE PEOPLE THAT WORK AROUND FEDERAL GOVERNMENT. I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE TODAY. I THINK I UNDERSTAND WHY YOU GET A LITTLE BIT UPSET. I GET THAT. BUT I ALSO SAY, WE HAVE TO BE, WE NEED TO CONCENTRATE -- I THINK MRS. SAID THAT. ON THE LIVING AND JUST NOT THE DEAD AND ALL THE PROBLEMS BUT WE HAVE TO FIGURE OUT SOME SOLUTIONS AND I THINK YOU PRESENTISM. AND MR. HOMAN FIVE TIMES NOW HAS PRESENTED THREE THINGS THAT HE THOUGHT OUGHT TO BE DONE. AND THAT COULD RESOLVE THIS PROBLEM. BUT YOU SAID SOMETHING THAT IS REALLY BOTHERING ME AND IT MAKES ME THINK YOU SAID IT IS NOT NECESSARILY ABOUT THE MONEY IT IS ABOUT A WILL. I HAVE TWO PIECES OF THAT. I WANT TO TO TALK ABOUT WHETHER MR. HOMAN A MAN WHO HAS BEEN AT HIS JOB OVER 30 YEARS? OVER 30 YEARS. AND DEDICATED FOR PUBLIC SERVICE IN HIS RECOMMENDATIONS. AND I WANT YOU TO ELABORATE ON THE ISSUE OF -- IT DOES NOT HAVE TO BE THIS WAY IN OTHER WORDS YOU WILL GO AHEAD. 16:04:54 THANK YOU. IN TERMS OF HIS RECOMMENDATIONS THEY WILL NOT WORK. THE CHILDREN AND FAMILIES WHO I REPRESENT ARE REFUGEES THEY ARE FLEEING TERRIBLE VIOLENCE IN THEIR COMING TO THE UNITED STATES TO SEEK SAFETY THE UNITED STATES IS NOT THE ONLY COUNTRY IN OUR REGION THAT HAS SEEN AN INCREASE IN REFUGEES AND ASYLUM-SEEKERS AND ALL OF THE COUNTRIES SURROUNDING THE NORTHERN TRIANGLE HAVE SEEN MARKET INCREASES IN THE NUMBER OF ASYLUM-SEEKERS COMING TO THEIR COUNTRIES. WHAT WE NEED IS NOT TO END THE FLUORIDE SETTLEMENT AGREEMENT. WHAT WE NEED IS TO NOT CHANGE THE TRAFFICKING VICTIMS REAUTHORIZATION ACT. THOSE ARE TWO CRITICAL PILLARS THAT PROTECT IMMIGRANT CHILDREN IN FEDERAL CUSTODY. THAT LIMIT THEIR TIME IN CBP FACILITIES TO 72 HOURS AND REQUIRE THAT CHILDREN BE RELEASED TO FAMILY MEMBERS AFTER APPROPRIATE BUDDY AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE AND LET ME OFFER YOU FIVE SOLUTIONS. ONE, LET'S INDEPENDENT DOCTORS INTO THESE FACILITIES. TWO, LET PUBLIC HEALTH EXPERTS INSPECT THESE FACILITIES AND GIVE THEM AUTHORIZATION TO ORDER REMEDIATION. THAT IS WHAT THE COUNCIL AND THE FLORAS CASE SOUGHT TO TWO WEEKS AGO TWO WEEKS AGO.. THE MINISTRATION TO THIS REQUEST WAS NO. THE ADMINISTRATION ARGUED AND I QUOTE THAT THAT WOULD BE A COERCIVE REMEDY. THE THIRD RECOMMENDATION THAT I HAVE IS TO ENSURE THAT PEOPLE ARE NOT IN CBP CUSTODY FOR ANY LONGER THAN 72 HOURS THIS MINISTRATION HAS REFUSED AND FAILED TO PROVIDE PLAINTIFFS CANCEL WITH FLORAS OF HOW LONG CHILDREN ARE BEING HELD IN CBP CUSTODY. YOU HAVE OVERSIGHT POWERS ON THIS QUESTION. FOURTH, CHILDREN SHOULD NOT BE SEPARATED FROM THEIR PARENTS. IMMIGRATION OFFICERS SHOULD NOT BE SEPARATING CHILDREN FROM THEIR MOTHERS, FATHERS, BROTHERS, GRANDMOTHERS ABSENT A REASON TO BELIEVE THERE IS IMMINENT RISK OF HARM TO THE CHILD. FINALLY, BY FAITH RECOMMENDATION IS THAT WE LOOK AT THE DATA AND DO WHAT WORKS. WHEN FAMILIES HAVE ACCESS TO A LAWYER THEY APPEAR AT THE IMMIGRATION COURT HEARINGS, 99% OF THE TIME. WHEN FAMILIES ARE OFFERED SUPPORT FROM A SOCIAL WORKER DUE TO THE ICE FAMILY CASE MANAGEMENT PROGRAM THEY SHOW UP FOR IMMIGRATION PROCEEDINGS 99% OF THE TIME. CHILDREN AND FAMILIES BELONG TOGETHER THEY DO NOT BELONG IN DETENTION, THEY SHOULD BE RELEASED AND THEY SHOULD BE FREE. DO WE NOT WOULD BE FAR LESS EXPENSIVE THAN WHAT WE ARE DOING NOW. THE ICE CASE FAMILY MANAGEMENT PROGRAM COST ONLY $38 A DAY PER FAMILY UNIT. TO DETAIN ONE PERSON IN A FAMILY DETENTION CENTER COST ON AVERAGE $320 PER DAY. TO DETAIN A CHILD AT HOMESTEAD LIKE THE EQUALLY LINE CHILD I FOUND THERE IN MARCH IT COST THE U.S. TAXPAYERS BETWEEN 750 AND $775 A DAY. THAT CHILD WAS DETAINED THERE ABOUT 120 DAYS UNNECESSARILY WHEN HE HAD A FATHER WHO IS DESPERATE TRYING THE -- 16:08:54 WE ARE SPENDING A MINIMUM OF $300 A DAY, MINIMUM, ON THESE CHILDREN IS THAT WHAT YOU ARE TELL ME CUSTOMER. 16:09:05 THAT IS THE RATE THAT WE ARE PAYING FOR ONE PERSON A DAY AT THE FAMILY DETENTION CENTER. 16:09:12 IF ANY OF US WERE GIVEN $300 A DAY TO TAKE CARE OF HERSELF THAT'S QUITE A BIT OF MONEY AND YOU COULD DO ALL KINDS OF THINGS. IN MY RIGHT? 16:09:28 THAT IS RIGHT LET ME GOING. I WANT TO ASK YOU ABOUT DHS INSPECTIONS OF SEVERAL IMMIGRATION DETENTION CENTERS ON THE SOUTHERN BORDER. THESE REPORTS WERE TALKING. I THINK THEY WILL SHOCK ANY AMERICAN WHO TAKES THE TIME TO READ THEM. OR EVEN TO LOOK AT THE PICTURES. MAY 2019 YOU ISSUED A REPORT ON DANGEROUS OVERCROWDING AND PROLONGED DETENTION AT BORDER FACILITIES IN EL PASO, TEXAS. I UNDERSTAND YOUR TEAM SAW ATTAIN THESE FOR 425? IS THAT RIGHT? 16:10:14 YES, SIR. 16:10:16 REPORTS ON SOME DETAINED IMMIGRANTS "IN HELD IN STANDING ROOM ONLY FOR DAYS OR WEEKS AND THE REPORT GOES ON TO SAY "WITH LIMITED ACCESS TO SHOWERS AND CLEAN CLOTHING DETAINEES WERE WEARING SOILED CLOTHING FOR DAYS OR WEEKS AND THE REPORT CONCLUDES THAT THESE CONDITIONS PROVIDE AN IMMEDIATE RISK TO THE HEALTH AND SAFETY NOT JUST OF THE DETAINEES BUT ALSO THE DHS AGENTS AND OFFICERS. IN ALL OF YOUR YEARS IN GOVERNMENT SERVICE HAVE YOU SEEN ANYTHING LIKE THIS CUSTOMER. 16:10:59 NO I HAVE NOT BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY THE INSPECTION TEAM THAT DID THE WORK ON THE GROUND FOR ME HAS NOT AND THEY HAVE BEEN DOING THIS FOR YEARS. THE REASON WE ISSUED THE MANAGEMENT ALERTS WAS BECAUSE THEY HAVE NEVER SEEN ANYTHING LIKE WHAT THEY SAW IN BOTH THE EL PASO CENTER IN THE FACILITIES IN THE RIO GRANDE VALLEY. 16:11:18 BUT THIS IS NOT AN ISOLATED INCIDENT, JUST LAST WEEK YOU ISSUED ANOTHER REPORT DESCRIBING DANGEROUS OVERCROWDING AND PROLONGED DETENTION AT FIVE DIFFERENT BORDER FACILITIES IN TEXAS. TOGETHER THESE HOLD OVER 200500 YOUNG PEOPLE. HE REPORTED THAT NEARLY ONE THIRD OF THESE CHILDREN HAD BEEN HELD LONGER THAN THE 72 HOUR LIMIT MS. COSTELLO, WHAT WERE THE CONDITIONS LIKE FOR THE CHILDREN IN THESE FACILITIES? 16:11:59 IT WAS SIMILAR TO THE SITUATION IN EL PASO FOR THE CHILDREN. THE OVERCROWDING WAS DANGEROUS, SIGNIFICANT AND AGAIN, MY INSPECTORS DESCRIBE THE SITUATION LIKE THEY HAD NEVER SEEN BEFORE AND THAT IS THE PICTURE. 16:12:11 CAN YOU TELL US WHAT'S IN THE PICTURE. 16:12:15 IS AN OVERCROWDED FACILITY IT IS FAMILIES IN A FACILITY IN A SPACE THAT THEY CANNOT POSSIBLY FIT IN. I THINK THE CAPTION UNDERNEATH -- I DON'T KNOW IF IT DESCRIBES A NUMBER. 16:12:36 NO. SO PEOPLE HAD TO BE LIKE THAT PRETTY MUCH 24/7? 16:12:45 YES. 16:12:45 TO CLARIFY, THEY VISITED ON THE DAYS THAT THEY VISITED. SO THAT'S THEIR AUTHORIZATION FROM THAT SNAPSHOT IN TIME. BUT THE UNDERSTANDING IS THAT FOLKS HAVE BEEN IN THAT CONDITION FOR A WHILE. 16:12:57 WHEN YOU WENT AND YOU WERE INSPECTOR GENERAL AND IT WAS ALLOWED TO TAKE A PHOTO? 16:13:06 YES. THAT IS PART OF HOW WE DO OUR WORK, HOW WE COLLECTOR EVIDENCE AND IT FRANKLY WOULD NEVER OCCUR TO NOT TO HAVE HER TEAM GOING TO TAKE PICTURES. 16:13:14 THANK YOU VERY MUCH. HOW LONG WOULD EACH CHILDREN BE KEPT IN THESE CONDITIONS? 16:13:24 IN THE RIO GRAND VALLEY, THE INFORMATION THAT WE HAVE IS THAT CHILDREN WERE 31% OR MORE THAN THEIR THAN 72 HOURS. 165 FOR LONGER THAN A WEEK. THAT IS CHILDREN WITH REGARD TO UNACCOMPANIED ALIEN CHILDREN, WE HAD 50 UNDER SEVEN WHO WERE THERE FOR OVER TWO WEEKS. 16:13:48 LET ME ASK YOU THIS, I'M JUST CURIOUS WHERE ON THE TOILET FACILITIES IN THIS? DO YOU KNOW? NO I DO NOT ACTUALLY BUT CHILDREN ARE SUPPOSED TO HAVE ACCESS TO TOILETS IN THE HOLDING ROOM. 16:14:14 IN FACILITIES LIKE THIS AND THIS IS KNOWLEDGE BASED ON HIS TROOPINTERVIEWING HUNDREDS OF FAMILIES PRESENT TOILETS ARE OPEN. THERE IS NO PRIVACY TO USE THE TOILET. CHILDREN TRY TO USE THE FOIL WRAPPERS THAT YOU SEEK TO COVER THEMSELVES WHERE THEIR TOILETING. AND THIS LEADS TO PROBLEMS. AND WE TALK TO GIRLS WHO ARE SO EMBARRASSED THAT BOYS COULD SEE THEM WHILE THEY WERE USING THE TOILET. WE TALKED TO A BOY WHO TRIED NOT TO EAT BECAUSE HE WAS SO EMBARRASSED TO USE THE TOILET EVERY DAY THESE CHILDREN ARE BEING DEGRADED BY HAVING NO ACCESS TO ANY PRIVACY WHEN THEY'RE USING THE TOILET. 16:15:01 YES MUSCALA. 16:15:02 A MEMBER OF MY TEAM WAS ABLE TO CLARIFY. YOU CANNOT TELL FROM THE PICTURE BUT APPARENTLY THE TOILET IS IN THE BACK. 16:15:12 IN THE BACK AND AREN'T THERE? 16:15:13 ESTHER. YOU CANNOT SEE THE OBVIOUSLY AND APPARENTLY THAT IS WHERE IT'S LOCATED. 16:15:18 OKAY. 16:15:21 ONE OFFICER INTERVIEWED A SECURITY SITUATION AS A QUOTE TICKING TIME BOMB. MS. COSTELLO CBP HAS DETAILED STANDARDS IN ATTAINING THESE CHILDREN. BASED ON YOUR INSPECTION DO BELIEVE THE CBP IS MEETING THOSE? 16:15:49 NOT FOR EVERYONE OF THE STANDARDS. I DO WANT TO EMPHASIZE WHEN WE VISITED THE FACILITIES THEY WERE WELL STOCKED AS I SAID IN MY PREPARED STATEMENT WITH DIAPERS, JUICE SNACKS -- OLIVER INSPECTIONS ARE UNANNOUNCED AND THAT IS REALLY THE ONLY WAY TO DO IT. WHAT THEY'RE NOT MEETING STANDARDS ON IS OBVIOUSLY THE CROWDING, PROLONGED DETENTION, SOME OF THE HYGIENE THAT THE CHILDREN ARE SUPPOSED TO HAVE. IT WOULD BE IMPOSSIBLE TO DO SO IN THE CONDITIONS THAT WE SAW THERE IT IS SHOCKING. 16:16:22 DOESN'T SHOCK YOU THAT WERE SPENDING A MINIMUM OF $300 PER DAY? 16:16:33 I DON'T HAVE INFORMATION THAT VALIDATES THAT PARTICULAR NUMBER. 16:16:35 THAT IS NOT WHAT I ASKED TO PRINT. [LAUGHTER] 16:16:38 WOULD IT SHOCK YOU TO KNOW THAT WERE SPENDING A MINIMUM OF $300 A DAY FOR FOLKS TO LIVE IN A FACILITY LIKE THAT? 16:16:52 IF THAT WERE AN ACCURATE NUMBER YES. 16:16:54 I'VE A QUESTION. THE $300 A DAY IS FOR FAMILY RESIDENTIAL CENTERS AND THE REASON THAT PRICE IS $300 A DAY BECAUSE WE HAVE TO PROVIDE COLLEGE PSYCHOLOGISTS, EDUCATIONAL PROGRAMS, AND PICTURES YOU'RE BEING SHOWN ARBITRAL FACILITIES PRAY THERE IS NOT UP COST PER DAY. THE $300 A DAY IS A NICE FACILITY, DIFFERENT FACILITY. 16:17:19 WHEREVER THE PICTURES WE PUT IN SOMEBODY IS NOT FOR FREE. 16:17:26 I DON'T KNOW WHAT BOARD APPROVED UNDER FACILITIES COSTS. 16:17:31 UNDERSTAND. 16:17:32 I WANT TO AGREE WITH HIM. THAT IS CORRECT. 16:17:39 THANK YOU VERY MUCH MS. COSTELLO, YOU TESTIFIED THAT DHS IS NOT DEVELOPING LONG-TERM PLANS TO ADDRESS ISSUES WITHIN DETENTION CENTERS ALONG THE SOUTHERN BORDER. IN THE DHS HAS TAKEN TO ALLEVIATE OVERCROWDING AND CONTINUE IN YOUR WORDS, FALL SHORT. IS THAT ACCURATE? 16:18:13 I THINK THE EFFORTS TO PUT IN PLACE AND CREATE MORE SPACE TO ELIMINATE THE OVERCROWDING OUR FIRST STEPS AND I DID TESTIFY EARLIER IT IS ABOUT MOVING CHILDREN AND FAMILIES AND ADULTS ADDED THESE FACILITIES TO BEGINNING. THEY WERE NEVER INTENDED TO HOUSE FOLKS FOR AS MANY AS LONGER THAN 70 CHARTS. WE ARE CURRENTLY ENGAGED IN EFFORTS TO TRY TO IDENTIFY WHY THEY ARE STAYING THERE LONGER THAN 72 HOURS AND OFFER RECOMMENDATION FOR THINGS WE CAN DO ABOUT THAT. 16:18:55 HOW SOON DO YOU EXPECT US TO BE MADE? 16:19:04 WE ARE JUST GETTING INVOLVED IN NETWORK. 16:19:05 THAT'S NOT WHAT I ASKED YOU. 16:19:06 I KNOW. IF I PROMISE YOU DATE -- 16:19:08 I KNOW YOU ASKED ME AGAIN. 16:19:10 IT WILL TAKE SOME TIME FOR US TO GET THERE AND I THINK WE HAVE SEVERAL LINES OF WORK THAT WERE ENGAGED IN ON ALL OF THESE ISSUES THAT HAVE BEEN DISCUSSED TODAY. SOME WILL BE READY THIS FALL AND THAT ONE PROBABLY NOT YET. 16:19:25 I WANT YOU TO UNDERSTAND, THIS IS VERY UNUSUAL FOR US TO BE HERE THIS LATE ON A GETAWAY DAY. 16:19:32 I KNOW SIR. BUT IT IS URGENT FOR US, IT'S A LIFE-AND-DEATH SITUATION AND THAT IS WHY I AM PRESSING A LITTLE BIT AND LIKE 70 SET ON THE OTHER SIDE WE ARE LOOKING FOR SOLUTIONS AND SOMETIMES TO GET THE SOLUTIONS YOU HAVE TO HAVE ACCOUNTABILITY AND PRESSURE SO WE WANT TO SEE SOMETHING GET DONE AS FAST AS WE CAN. 16:20:09 YES, MA'AM I WANT TO ADD TO THE RECORD THAT CBP HAS DEALT WITH LARGER NUMBERS APPREHENSION IN THE PAST WITHOUT CAUSING AND CREATING A HEALTH AND SAFETY CRISIS. IF APPREHENSIONS CONTINUE AT THE RATE THAT THEY HAVE BEEN IN A 2019 WITHOUT THE DROP THAT WE SAW -- WITHOUT THE 20% DROP THAT WE SOLDIER. 2018 WILL SEE NO MORE THAN 67% OF THE NUMBER OF APPREHENSION THAT WE SELL IN 1986 AND 1998 AND 1999 AND IN 2000. FLORIDA'S SETTLEMENT AGREEMENT WAS REACHED IN 1997 AND IT REQUIRES THE GOVERNMENT TO PLAN FOR AN INFLUX IN TWO WEEKS AGO A FEDERAL COURT RECOGNIZED THAT THE GOVERNMENT HAS HAD 22 YEARS TO PLAN FOR AN INFLUX. THE COURT ORDERED THE GOVERNMENT TO DO SO WILL. I AGREE WITH YOU ABOUT THE URGENCY OF THE SITUATION AND THE ADMINISTRATION NEEDS TO ACT NOW TO CARE FOR THESE CHILDREN AND RELEASE THEM PROPERLY. 16:21:11 MRS. COSTELLO YOU GET BACK TO ME RIGHT? 16:21:17 AND I BELIEVE YOU CAN GET THAT THE CUSTOMER. 16:21:18 OF COURSE WE WILL. 16:21:19 I WOULD REALLY APPRECIATE THAT. I WILL LET EACH ONE OF THEM ASK ONE QUESTION. WE WILL LET, YOU ALL HAVE BEEN SO KIND TO STAY HERE AND I JUST WANT TO CHECK TO SEE IF YOU ALL HAD A QUESTION OR TWO WE WILL GO TO MR. RASKIN AND THEN COME BACK THIS WAY. 16:21:45 THANK YOU VERY MUCH AND I'M VERY PROUD TO BE A MEMBER OF THE COMMITTEE. WITH ALL THE EXTERNAL WORK THAT WE DID THIS WEEK TO OPENING AMERICA'S EYES TO WHAT IS GOING ON IN THE NAME OF EVERY AMERICAN CITIZEN AT THE BORDER. I WANTED TO ASK YOU BECAUSE YOU'VE BEEN DOING THIS WORK AS I UNDERSTAND IT SINCE YOU WERE A LAW STUDENT. IN THE CLINICAL PROGRAM IN 2003. SO YOU HAVE SOME HISTORICAL AS A HUMAN RIGHTS ADVOCATE IN THE LAWYER FROM THAT PERSPECTIVE. CAN YOU COMPARE THE CONDITIONS THAT YOU SEE AT IMMIGRATION FACILITIES OVER THE LAST YEAR TO WHAT YOU SAW BEFORE THIS. THE TRUTH IS, I AM LIKE MOST AMERICANS WHO ARE NOT IN THE IMMIGRATION LAW FIELD AND I HAVE NOT PAID CLOSE ATTENTION TO THIS BUT IF THIS IS WHAT IT'S ALWAYS BEEN LIKE OR HAVE WE SEEN A DEGRADATION AND DETERIORATION OF THE CONDITIONS. HOW DO WE UNDERSTAND THIS AND HISTORICAL CONTENT? 16:22:51 I HAVE NEVER SEEN ANYTHING LIKE THIS. I HAVE BEEN INVOLVED IN SUING THREE DEMONSTRATIONS TO TRY AND SEEK BETTER PRETENSION FOR IMMIGRANT CHILDREN IN DETENTION. BUT NEVER BEFORE HAVE I SEEN WHAT I SAW HEARD AND SMELLED AS WHAT I DID IN CLINTON LAST MONTH. NEVER BEFORE HAVE WE LEARNED THAT 700 CHILDREN BEING DETAINED IN A FACILITY DESIGNED FOR 100 ADULTS, NEVER BEFORE HAVE I MET WITH CHILDREN DETAINED IN CBP CUSTODY FOR EVEN A WEEK, MUCH LESS SEVERAL WEEKS. NEVER BEFORE HAS MY TEAM OF LAWYERS HAD TO DIRECTLY INTERVENE TO GET BABIES ADMITTED TO THE HOSPITAL. THE WEEK OF JUNE 10 MY COLLEAGUES, A PEDIATRICIAN AND SEVERAL LAWYERS DID INTERVIEWS IN MCALLEN TEXAS AT THE FACILITY AND THEY IDENTIFIED FIVE BABIES WHO WERE SO SICK THAT THEY NEEDED TO BE ADMITTED TO THE NEONATAL INTENSIVE CARE UNIT AT THE LOCAL HOSPITAL. FOR NEARLY A DECADE AS THE COMMITTEE KNOWS THERE WAS NO REPORTED DEATHS OF CHILDREN IN FEDERAL IMMIGRATION CUSTODY. IN JUST THE PAST YEAR CHILDREN HAVE DIED IN CUSTODY OR JUST AFTER BEING RELEASED. THIS IS DIFFERENT THAN WHAT I'VE EVER SEEN BEFORE. 16:24:14 THINKING. 16:24:14 THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. YOU ARE CLEARLY THE EXPERT AND THE PERSON THAT PERFORMED THE SACRIFICE TO DEFEND THE BORDER AND TRY TO SAVE LIVES FROM AMERICANS AND OTHERS WHO ARE HERE LEGALLY OR ILLEGALLY HOWEVER, THEY'RE HERE. DO YOU HAVE ANY CLOSING REMARKS BECAUSE I KNOW YOU BEEN CUT OFF A LOT AND I AM VERY SORRY THAT A MEMBER ON THE OTHER SIDE QUESTION YOUR INTEGRITY BECAUSE CLEARLY YOUR CREDIBLE AND HAVE SERVED THIS COUNTRY WITH HONOR AND I WANTED TO GIVE YOU AN OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE CLOSING REMARKS AND TOUCH ON ANYTHING THAT IS BEEN MENTIONED IN THE LAST 30 MINUTES. 16:25:10 I'LL JUST SAY THIS, I HAVE SERVED MY COUNTRY FOR 34 YEARS AND THERE'S A, AND MADE EARLIER THAT IN MY LINKEDIN I OVERSAW 310,000 IN THE FOUR YEARS IN MY LEADERSHIP WE OVERSAW A MILLION ILLEGAL ALIENS BEING REMOVED AND BEING DEPORTED. I HAD A PRESIDENTIAL RANKING AWARD FROM PRESIDENT OBAMA FOR DISTINGUISHED SERVICE. I WORKED FOR SIX PRESIDENTS AND I RESPECT EACH AND EVERY ONE OF THEM. BUT MY JOB IS TO EXECUTE A MISSION WITHIN THE FRAMEWORK PROVIDED WITH RESOURCES AND POLICIES. I EXECUTED UNDER PRESIDENT OBAMA IN THE LEADER SHOW UNDER ICE AND PRESIDENT TRUMP. I DID MY JOB. A LOT OF THIS GOES BACK IN FOR TODAY AND I'LL LEAVE IT WITH US. THE SITUATION AT THE BORDER IS FOR CONGRESS TO ACT. 16:26:03 THESE CHILDREN ARE BACK CONDITIONS AND MY HEART BREAKS FOR THEM. BORDER PATROL JAILS WERE NOT BUILT FOR VULNERABLE PEOPLE LIKE WOMEN IN TOTAL. GIVEN THE HHS AND WHAT THEY NEED TO GET THESE PEOPLE TO THE FACILITY THAT IS BUILT IN PAYING FOR THEM. NO ONE WANTS TO SEE THAT. BUT WE DO STOP THE VILIFICATION OF MEN AND WOMEN WHO ARE DOING THE BEST I CAN ON A VERY DIFFICULT CIRCUMSTANCE. THEY HAVE SAID MANY OF TARIFFS OF WHAT IS GOING ON. I HOPE CONGRESS WILL WORK WITH US A MINISTRATION AND TRYING TO FIX IT. I THINK WERE COUNTRY OF LAWS AND WE NEED TO ENFORCE THE LAWS FOR ANYBODY IN CONGRESS TO SAY IGNORE THE LAW BECAUSE WOULD RATHER NOT FIX IT IS THE WRONG WAY TO GO. I ASKED BORDER PATROL AND ICE TO DO THE JOB AND I US GUYS TO DO THIS. 16:26:55 TWO THINGS, SOMETHING THAT IS GOOD TO POINT OUT. THESE FACILITIES, CORRECT ME FROM WRONG WERE NOT BUILT FOR CHILDREN. THERE JAILS. NUMBER TWO, YOU HAVE GIVEN THREE SOLUTIONS THAT I AGREE 100% WOULD BEGIN TO SOLVE THE PROBLEM. AND I ASSURE YOU THIS SIDE OF THE AISLE WILL DO EVERYTHING THAT WE CAN TO WORK WITH THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION TO IMPLEMENT THAT IT TAKES 218 VOTES TO PASS LEGISLATION, MOVE THE SENATE, WE HAVE ABOUT 198 AND I HOPE THAT WE CAN WORK IN A BIPARTISAN WAY BECAUSE TO GET TO A SOLUTION IN THE CONGRESS IT WILL TAKE BIPARTISAN SUPPORT. I YELL BACK. 16:27:46 THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. MR. HOMAN I WAS WONDERING IF YOU COULD ANSWER A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS THAT I WAS UNABLE TO GET ANSWERED DURING OUR VISITS AS CBP. ARE YOU AWARE OF EXACTLY WHAT IS THE TEMPERATURE WHERE FAMILIES ARE BEING DETAINED SHOULD BE AT AND SECONDARILY, WHAT DOES THE INDEX NEED TO BE OUTSIDE FOR PEOPLE TO BE MOVED FROM TENTS INSIDE. 16:28:19 I DO NOT KNOW THE ANSWER. I SAY THE BIGGEST COMPLAINT WE HEAR FROM FOLKS IS BORDER PATROL IS VERY COLD. THEY CALL THEM ICE BOXES. THE REASON FOR THAT, MANY OF THE PEOPLE FROM CENTRAL AMERICA DON'T EXPERIENCE AIR-CONDITIONING ON ATTORNEY FOR SEVEN BASIS. BUT I DON'T KNOW IF THEY HAVE A LIMIT IN WORSHIP YET. I DO NOT HAVE AN ANSWER THE QUESTION. 16:28:46 OR ANYONE ON THE PANEL THAT CAN SPEAK TO OVERCOMMITTED TEMPERATURE? 16:28:53 I DON'T HAVE THOSE NUMBERS BUT I KNOW ADVOCACY GROUPS HAVE PULLED THAT IN THE PAST AND I'D BE HAPPY TO SHARE A PREPARED REPORT AND WHAT THEY'VE BEEN TOLD WHAT ARE THE STANDARDS. 16:29:06 DOES NOT INCLUDE ANYTHING SO FAR AS LAVATORY AND A TOILET. I'D BE CURIOUS AGAIN WE MAKE THIS ABOUT FUNDING AND IF YOU SEND EQUIPMENT SOMEPLACE AND MORE GOODS IN USE AND ONE TOILET TO SERVE 500 PEOPLE THAT IS NOT SANITARY. THAT IS A PUBLIC HEALTH ISSUE. SO I WOULD BE CURIOUS TO KNOW FOR MY EDIFICATION WHAT IS RECOMMENDED. 16:29:37 I DON'T THINK WE'VE EVER HAD THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS BECAUSE WE HAVE NEVER BEEN IN A CIRCUMSTANCE WHERE WE HAD TO SAY HOW MANY TOILETS ARE NEEDED FOR CHILDREN. THE PRIVACY REQUIRED THEY HAVE NEVER BEEN THIS BAD. SO THOSE REPORTS DO NOT EXIST BUT I EXPECT THEY'RE ON THEIR WAY. MR. HOMAN I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMITMENT ON THE RECORD TO PARTNER WITH ME AND DO EVERYTHING YOU CAN TO SAVE THIS ANGLE AND DETAINEE IN MY CHIEF OF STAFF, SHE WILL APPROACH YOU AS HIS HEARING ADJOURNED SO WE CAN GET ON THE PHONE RIGHT AWAY. 16:30:11 THANK YOU. 16:30:16 MS. OCASIO-CORTEZ. 16:30:16 THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. WHEN WE WERE AT THESE FACILITIES, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I HAD NOTICED THERE WERE TENTS IN THE BACK AND THEY LOOK LIKE CAGES AND A LOT OF THE MIGRANTS THEY CALL THE PENS DOG POUNDS. THERE WAS A LOT OF THEM BUT THEY WERE EMPTY WHEN I WRITE. AND WE HAVE HEARD REPORTS THAT THERE WAS HUNDREDS OF PEOPLE IN THE EL PASO BORDER STATION. SO I ASKED SOME OF THE MIGRANTS IS IT TRUE THAT THERE WERE PEOPLE HERE. IS ANYONE ELSE HERE? THEY SAID NO. AND WERE THERE PEOPLE HERE. WE HEARD THERE WAS HUNDREDS OF PEOPLE BEING KEPT IN THE FACILITY. AND THEY SAID THEY TOOK THEM AWAY. AND I HAVE HEARD FROM THESE MIGRANTS AND OTHER FACILITIES THAT WE HAD VISITED A WELCOME STATION FOR FAMILIES AND WE HEARD SIMILAR THINGS IN THE PAST AS WELL THAT AS CBP CHANGES FACILITIES WHEN THEY KNOW AND HAVE ADVANCE NOTICE OF CONGRESSIONAL COHESION IS COMING. I'M CURIOUS IF YOU HEARD ANYTHING ABOUT THIS OR ACCOUNTS TO COOPERATE WHAT THEY SAID. 16:31:54 WHAT I CAN SAY, THE GOVERNMENT HAD THREE WEEKS NOTICE THAT WE WERE COMING TO THE EL PASO SECTOR AND THE OFFICERS ON THE GROUND AT THE FACILITY NEW DAYS IN ADVANCE THAT WE WERE COMING AND WHAT WE SAW WAS SO APPALLING THAT WE HAD TO SHARE IT WITH AMERICA. WE HAD NO OTHER CHOICE IN THEIR QUICKLY AFTER WE HEARD CHILDREN WERE BEING MOVED OUT OF THE FACILITY IN THE HUNDREDS AND CBP WAS RELEASING THOUSANDS OF CHILDREN. 16:32:28 THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I'M GOING TO MAKE MY CLOSING STATEMENT BY HAVE TWO OR THREE QUESTIONS AND THEN WILL BE FINISHED IN THE NEXT FIVE MINUTES. MS. COSTELLO I WAS SHOCKED TO READ THE REPORTS ABOUT THE RACIST AND SEXIST POST AND SECRET SERVICE FACEBOOK PAGE MY CURRENT AND FORMER PORTABLE AGENT CAN YOU CONFIRM WHETHER YOUR OFFICE IS INVESTIGATING THIS ISSUE AND BEFORE YOU ENTER, I UNDERSTAND YOU HAVE CERTAIN LIMITATIONS AND I'M JUST ASKING THE QUESTION. 16:33:08 I CAN ANSWER. IN THIS CASE. IF YOU ALLOW ME TOO ELABORATE. THOSE KINDS OF COMPLAINT WE DO GET THEM. AND BECAUSE WE RELATE TO BUY IT UNDER VIOLATIONS OF BEHAVIOR AND CODE OF CONDUCT THE CBP OFFICE OF RESPONSIBLE TO HANDLES US. WE GET SO MANY COMPLAINTS THAT WE WANT CRIMINAL INVESTIGATORS TO FOCUS ON CORRUPTION AND VERY HIGH-LEVEL MISCONDUCT. THE INDIVIDUAL BEHAVIOR, WE STILL FEEL THOSE ARE APPROPRIATE FOR CBP OFFICE OF PROFESSIONAL RESPONSIBILITY. GIVEN THAT THERE WAS ALLEGATIONS THAT LEADERSHIP KNEW THAT THEY USED THE FACEBOOK PAGE TO GET INFORMATION THAT THEY DID NOT TAKE ACTION EARLIER WHEN THEY KNEW WE DO FEEL THAT'S AN APPROPRIATE ISSUE FOR MY OFFICE TO LOOK INTO BUT IT WON'T BE A CRIMINAL INVESTIGATION, IT'LL BE DONE OUT OF OUR OFFICE AND SPECIAL REVIEWS. WHICH IS THE SAME OFFICE THE DID THE MANAGEMENT ALERT. 16:34:14 CUMMINGS AS WE CONCLUDE. I LISTENED TO EVERYBODY. EVEN YOU AND I WAS LOOKING AT IT, I WAS IN A MEETING AND I HEARD YOUR TESTIMONY. I HEARD EVERYBODY'S TESTIMONY. AS A LISTEN TO ALL OF WHAT IS HAPPENED TODAY. I GO BACK TO WHAT I SENT A LITTLE EARLIER. I THINK WE REALLY HAVE TO CONCENTRATE ON THE CHILDREN WHO ARE TRYING AND THEIR PARENTS ARE TRYING TO SIMPLY LIVE A BETTER LIFE. MANY OF THEM ARE ESCAPING FROM PURE HORROR STORIES. WHEN YOU USE MS. COSTELLO'S WORDS LIKE IMMINENT DANGER, I FORGET WHO USED TO BUT TO ME THAT IS LIFE AND DEATH STUFF. I'M IMMEDIATELY GOING TO HOLD OTHER YEAR. BECAUSE IT IS ABOUT SAVING SOMEBODY'S LIFE, SAVING A LOT OF PEOPLE'S LIVES. THERE IS ANOTHER PIECE TO THIS. I THINK WHAT HAPPENS, I LISTEN TO YOUR TESTIMONY AND PARTICULARLY THE LAST STATEMENT THAT YOU MADE AN ANSWER TO MR. COLEMAN'S GIVING YOU THE OPPORTUNITY. YOU HAVE A GOOD POINT. YOU'RE TRYING TO CARRY OUT THE LAW IN AND IF ANYTHING IS TO HAPPEN WE NEED TO DO IT. BUT IN THE MEANTIME. IT IS THE MEANTIME THAT I'M WORRIED ABOUT. WHAT HAPPENS. I TELL MY CHILDREN WHENEVER YOU GO INTO A STORM YOU HAVE TO RESPECT THE STORM. IN OTHER WORDS, YOU DO NOT -- ON ICY CONDITIONS SPEEDING. RIGHT NOW I THINK WE HAVE TWO GO THE EXTRA MILE TO TRY TO MAKE SURE WE DO THE THINGS IMMEDIATELY TO BRING COMFORT TO THESE CHILDREN. WE HAD A HEARING YESTERDAY WHERE WE TALKED ABOUT THE EFFECTS OF TRAUMA ON CHILDREN. ALL IT WAS CHILLING. AND I CANNOT HELP WHEN LISTENING TO THE WITNESSES OF THINKING OF THESE CHILDREN. YOU HEARD ME SAY AT THE BEGINNING OF THIS HEARING ARE CHILDREN OF THE LIVING MESSENGERS THAT WE SENT TO THE FUTURE WE WILL NEVER SEE. THE QUESTION IS HOW DO WE SEND THEM. HOW ARE WE SENDING THEM. YOU THINK ABOUT A CHILD WALKING AROUND WITH A DIRTY DIAPER NO TOOTHPASTE, TORN AWAY FROM THE. SPELLING BACK, THERE'S SOME KIND OF WAY, I'M NOT BLAMING YOU MR. HOMAN, WHAT WE'RE SAYING IS WE WANT TO FIND SOLUTIONS TO RESOLVE THIS ISSUE. THESE CHILDREN WILL GROW UP WHEN WE'RE DONE. WE WILL BE DEAD WITH THE ANGELS. AND WHAT KIND OF MESSAGE WILL WE HAVE SENT. I THINK THAT IS THE REASON WHY WE HAVE SO MUCH INTEREST, THESE ARE MEMBERS ON BOTH SIDES ARE CONCERNED ABOUT WHO IS THIS YOUNG MAN, THIS LITTLE BABY WHO IS NOW FOUR YEARS OLD GOING TO GROW INTO. WHAT IS HE GOING TO BE LIKE. IT IS OUR DUTY. THIS MOMENT IS OUR WATCH, WERE ON WATCH RIGHT NOW. AND WHAT WE DO NOW, WE CAN PUT OUR HANDPRINTS AND FINGERPRINTS ON THEIR FUTURES. AND ON THEIR DESTINIES. PART OF THIS HEARING IS ABOUT TRYING TO CHANGE THE TRAJECTORY. TRYING TO CHANGE THE TRAJECTORY OF THEIR DESTINY. ALL SO HELP ME GOD. I WILL DO EVERYTHING IN OUR POWER AND WORK WITH THE ENTIRE COMMITTEE TO RESOLVE THESE ISSUES AS FAST AS WE POSSIBLY CAN. WITHOUT OBJECTION THE FOLLOWING ITEMS SHALL BE ENTERED INTO THE HEARING RECORD. A LETTER FROM THE ANTI-DEFAMATION LEAGUE, RECOGNITION FROM KIDS AND NEEDS OF THE DEFENSE IN A STATEMENT FROM THE CHURCH WORLD SERVICE, A STATEMENT FROM THE CENTER OF VICTIMS TORTURE, A LETTER FROM THE ORGANIZATION OF 023. THESE DOCUMENTS SUPPORT RECOMMENDATIONS SEPARATING CHILDREN FROM THEIR FAMILIES IN UNNECESSARY DETENTIONS AND ENSURE WE PROVIDE HUMANE TREATMENT TO EVERYONE IN GOVERNMENT CUSTODY. AGAIN I WOULD LIKE TO THINK OUR WITNESS FOR TESTIFYING TODAY. AND I WANT TO THANK ALL OF YOU, ALL THE MEMBERS WHO MOST OF YOU ALL WOULD'VE BEEN ON A PLANE GOING TO PLACES YOU GOTTA GO. BUT YOU FELT IT WAS SO IMPORTANT THAT YOU BE HERE. I APPRECIATE THAT. WITHOUT OBJECTION ALL MEMBERS WILL HAVE FIVE LEGISLATIVE DAYS TO SUBMIT ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS FOR THE WITNESSES. TO THE CHAIR. IT WILL BE FORWARDED TO THE WITNESSES FOR THE RESPONSE. I ASKED OUR WITNESSES TO PLEASE RESPOND AS PROPERLY AS POSSIBLE AND AS FAST AS YOU POSSIBLY CAN. AGAIN I WANT TO THANK ALL OF YOU AND THIS HEARING IS ADJOURNED.

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1500 HSE OVERSIGHT BORDER CHILDREN WITNESS FS8 83 The Trump Administration's Child Separation Policy: Substantiated Allegations of Mistreatment Date: Friday, July 12, 2019 Time: 10:00am Location: 2154 Rayburn House Office Building, Washington, DC 20515 AGENDA: Between April 2018 and June 2018, the Trump Administration separated at least 2,800 children from their parents at the southern border under the "zero tolerance" policy that Attorney General Jeff Sessions instituted in April 2018 and a related policy that DHS Secretary Kirstjen Nielsen instituted a few weeks later to refer all parents who made unauthorized border crossings for prosecution. In January 2019, the Inspector General of the Department of Health and Human Services issued a report finding that the Trump Administration may have separated "thousands" of additional children before the zero tolerance policy went into effect. In addition, the Trump Administration recently admitted to separating an additional 700 children from their parents at the border after June 2018. Recent reports have identified deteriorating conditions in border facilities where children are being detained. For example, reports from the Inspector General of the Department of Homeland Security have highlighted overcrowded, unhealthy, and unsafe conditions in these facilities, and they have warned that these issues need to be addressed immediately to mitigate health and safety risks. Other recent reports have raised concerns about racist, sexist, and xenophobic views expressed by some Border Patrol officers regarding detained immigrants through a secret Facebook group. WITNESSES: Panel 1 Rep. Veronica Escobar (D-TX) Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-NY) Rep. Ayanna Pressley (D-MA) Rep. Rashida Tlaib (D-MI) Rep. Debbie Lesko (R-AZ) Minority Witness Rep. Michael Cloud (R-TX) Minority Witness Rep. Andy Biggs (R-AZ) Minority Witness Rep. Chip Roy (R-TX) Minority Witness Panel 2 Jennifer L. Costello Acting Inspector General Department of Homeland Security Ann Maxwell Asst.Inspector General for Evaluation and Inspections, U.S. Department of Health and Human Services Elora Mukherjee Jerome L. Greene Clinical Professor of Law Columbia Law School Jennifer Nagda Policy Director ,Young Center for Immigrant Children's Rights Thomas D. Homan Former Acting Director, U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement HOMAN THE MORE WE ENTICE PEOPLE TO MAKE THIS JOURNEY 31% OF WOMEN ARE BEING RAPED, CHILDREN ARE DYING AND I SAID MONTHS AGO IF WE DON'T CLOSE THE LOOPHOLES MORE WOMEN WILL BE RAPED AND MORE CHILDREN WILL DIE. NO ONE IS LISTENING. 15:00:42 THERE ARE TWO THINGS WE CAN DO TO FIX THIS. IF CONGRESS DOESN'T LIKE WHAT I SAID IN CBP DO, DO YOUR JOB AND FIX IT. CONGRESS HAS FAILED. PEOPLE AND THEY WOULD RATHER POINT TO MANY WOMEN OF I.C.E. WHO HAVE AN AMERICAN FLAG ON THE SHOULDER AND SERVE THEIR NATION. I'M EXTERNALLY FRUSTRATED BECAUSE WHAT I'VE SEEN TODAY IS MISLEADING THE AMERICAN PEOPLE. PEOPLE ARE DYING. NOT IN I.C.E. CUSTODY AND IF YOU COMPARE PEOPLE WHO DIE IN I.C.E. CUSTODY TO EVERY STATE, FEDERAL SYSTEM WE'VE GOT THE LOWEST RATE IN THE HELL OF A LOT LOWER RATE THAN NEW YORK BUT NO ONE WANT TO TALK ABOUT US. WE NEED TO SAVE LIVES AND SECURED OUR BORDERS. THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH A SECURE BORDER. 15:01:23 I CAN ASSURE YOU, AT THE SIDE OF THE AISLE WE KNOW IT SERIOUS ABOUT SECURING THE BORDER AND THE PRESIDENT IS SERIOUS ABOUT TRIGGERING THE BORDER. I MY COLLEAGUES ON THE SIDE OF THE AISLE WILL GET SERIOUS ABOUT SECURE THE BORDER SO WE CAN HAVE A REAL SOLUTION TO THE PROBLEM THAT WE HAVE AT THE SOUTHERN BORDER. ... 15:01:38 I DON'T THINK THAT'S THE CASE AND AS FAR AS LAW ENFORCEMENT GOES, I WAS THERE JUST A FEW WEEKS AGO BECAUSE I HAVE FAMILY THAT'S ON THAT. I WANT YOU TO KNOW THE QUESTIONS DON'T BLAME AGENT THAT IS WITH -- AGENTS THAT ARE WORKING IN THE FRONT LINES. I BELIEVE HONESTLY ARE COMING OUT DESPERATION. THEY ARE BEING TAKEN ADVANTAGE BY CRIMINALS, PEOPLE WILLING TO LEAD THEM TO DIE, THAT IS ALL TRUE. THERE ARE POLICIES IN PLACE HERE WITHIN THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA THAT GO AGAINST OUR VALUES AND ONE OF THOSE IS FAMILY SEPARATION, SO I WANT TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT YOUR BELIEVES ON FAMILY SEPARATION AND YOU'VE BEEN ON THE RECORD DEFENDING PRESIDENT TRUMP'S POLICY OF SEPARATING FAMILIES AT THE BORDER MANY TIMES, CAN YOU CLARIFY HOW YOU FEEL ABOUT THAT TODAY? 15:03:08 NO, I CANNOT, AS YOU RECOGNIZE IN YOUR REPORT IT'S UNDER LITIGATION, I'M PART OF THAT LITIGATION AND I'VE BEEN INSTRUCTED BY THE ATTORNEYS THAT I'M NOT ALLOWED TO SPEAK ABOUT THAT OTHER THAN A COURTROOM SETTING WHICH IS NOT. 15:03:21 OKAY, THAT'S FINE. SO YOU HAVE SAID, THOUGH THAT YOU BELIEVE FAMILIES SHOULD BE HELD INDEFINITELY UNTIL THEY HAVE A COURT HEARING? 15:03:29 WELL, COURT HEARING AND INDEFINITELY ARE TWO DIFFERENT THINGS. FAMILY RESIDENTIAL. 15:03:42 YOU CANNOT COMMENT ABOUT FAMILY SEPARATION NOW? 15:03:45 THEY ARE SEPARATED BY ANOTHER AGENCY. 15:03:50 I ALSO WANT TO POINT OUT ON JUNE 14TH, PRESIDENT TRUMP TOLD "FOX & FRIENDS" THAT YOU TOM HOMAN WOULD BE REPORTING TO THE BORDER ADMINISTRATION. 15:04:03 I'VE NOT ACCEPTED ANY POSITION. 15:04:05 AS OF 4 DAYS YOU SAID YOU HAVEN'T ACCEPTED POSITION BUT YOU ALSO SAID THAT IF YOU CAN HELP THE PRESIDENT, YES, YOU WILL. 15:04:12 I COME BACK FROM RETIREMENT ONCE, I'M NOT GOING TO SAY NEVER SAY NEVER. 15:04:17 YOU NEVER SAID HELP MY COUNTRY, YOU SAID HELP THE PRESIDENT. YOU'RE A FOX NEWS CONTRIBUTOR? 15:04:34 YES. PROBABLY. TO RETURN TO FAMILY SEPARATION ISSUE AND EVEN THOUGH FEDERAL COURT ORDERED SEPARATIONS TO STOP LAST JUNE, THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION SEPARATED AT LEAST 700 ADDITIONAL CHILDREN OVER THE LAST YEAR, HOWEVER, YOU HEARD WITNESSES SAY THAT THE NUMBER IS HIGHER. THIS ADMINISTRATION CLAIMS THAT IT'S ONLY SEPARATING CHILDREN UNDER NARROW EXCEPTIONS TO COURT'S ORDER, SPECIFIC CONSENT FOR CHILD SAFETY AND ISSUES. ARE THOSE NECESSARY TO PROTECT CHILDREN. 15:05:07 NO, IT HAS BEEN EXPERIENCE IN VAST OVERWHELMING MAJORITY OF FAMILY SEPARATION CASES THOSE SEPARATIONS WERE UNJUSTIFIED AN UNNECESSARY EITHER TO PROTECT THE SAFETY OF THE CHILD OR ANYONE ELSE. 15:05:19 HAS YOUR CHILDREN WORKED WITH CHILDREN SEPARATED? 15:05:23 SEPARATED AFTER THE POLICY ENDED. 15:05:26 YOU'VE SHARED A NUMBER OF STORIES HOW YOU'VE SPOKEN OF CHILDREN HAVE BEEN SEPARATED FROM THEIR PARENTS OR ANYTHING YOU WOULD LIKE TO ADD? 15:05:44 CONTINUE EVERY DAY AND I HAVE HERE EMAILS FROM MR. HOMAN INCLUDING HIS NAME WITH HIM HAVING AUTHORIZED FAMILY SEPARATIONS INCLUDING OF A CHILD AND MOTHER WHO I REPRESENTED WHO WERE GRANTED ASYLUM, WHO WERE BONAFIDE REFUGEES IN THE UNITED STATES. 15:06:04 I HAVE OTHER EXAMPLES IN COURT FILINGS, ARREST WARRANT FROM 10 YEARS AGO, MISTAKEN IDENTITY TO SEPARATE CHILD, ANOTHER PARENT SEPARATED DUE TO HIV STATUS AND TO ME THIS APPEAR THAT IS THE ADMINISTRATION IS TRYING TO SEPARATE CHILDREN FROM THEIR PARENTS ALL OVER AGAIN. ARE ALL SEPARATIONS REQUIRED BY LAW IN ANY SHAPE OR FORM? 15:06:29 NO, CONTRARY TO CONSTITUTION, FEDERAL LAWS, REGULATIONS, THE HEAD STANDARD THAT HOW CBP IS SUPPOSED TO TREAT FAMILIES AND CHILDREN. 15:06:41 THE CONTINUED SEPARATIONS ARE COMPLETE OUTRAGE AND CONTRARY TO JUNE 2018 COURT ORDER ENDING ZERO TOLERANCE, TRUMP ADMINISTRATION MUST STOP USING UNNECESSARY SEPARATIONS AND I'M SERIOUSLY CONCERNED FOR NEW POTENTIAL BORDER BELIEVE IS GOOD POLICY, I YIELD BACK. 15:06:58 THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. JORDAN. 15:07:01 MR. HOMAN THE ACTION THAT IS YOU TOOK WERE CONSISTENT WITH THE LAW OF THE LAND, WERE THEY? 15:07:07 YES, THE CHILD CAN'T GO TO JAIL WITH A PARENT. HAPPENS TO AMERICAN FAMILIES EVERY DAY. 15:07:16 IF YOU DON'T LIKE THE LAW, LAST TIME I LOOKED FOLKS UP HERE HAVE TO CHANGE IT. YOU HAVE OFFERED 3 CHANGES TO THE LAW THAT WOULD HELP THE SITUATION; IS THAT RIGHT? 15:07:27 YES, SIR. 15:07:29 MAYBE A FIFTH TIME, CAN YOU SAY IT A FIFTH TIME FOR THE GROUP, AGAIN, WE ARE THE ONES THAT HAVE TO CHANGE LAWS, GIVE US THE RECOMMENDATION. 15:07:38 CLOSE LOOPHOLES IN TBPRA, CHILDREN SENT TO CENTRAL AMERICA ARE TREATED AS SAME AS MEXICO, OBTAIN FAMILY LONG ENOUGH TO SEE JUDGE AND PLEA CASE, IF WE CAN CHANGE RULES OF ASYLUM SO IT MAKES MORE SENSE SO 90% DON'T PASS IN FRONT OF A JUDGE, THOSE 3 THINGS WOULD -- WOULD MEAN A BIG -- WOULD MAKE A BIG DIFFERENCE ON THE BORDER. 15:08:08 THOSE 3 THINGS GO TO INCENTIVE, IS THAT RIGHT? 15:08:13 ALONG WITH OTHER THINGS TALK ABOUT ABOLISHING ICE, HAVING NO DETENTION, FREE EDUCATION, YEAH, FREE MEDICAL CARE. CITIZENSHIP FOR THOSE WHO ARE HERE ILLEGALLY, WHEN YOU KEEP OFFERING INCENTIVES, SANCTUARY CITIES, AS LONG AS YOU KEEP -- 15:08:30 THOSE STATEMENTS MADE BY DEMOCRATS IN UNITED STATES CONGRESS OR IN POSITIONS OF INFLUENCE IN THIS COUNTRY, THEY HAVE AN IMPACT, DON'T THEY? 15:08:41 SIGNIFICANT IMPACT. 15:08:44 ANOTHER CONGRESS SAID ABOLISH DHS, THE PERSON WHO GAVE STATE OF UNION RESPONDS TO PRESIDENT'S STATE OF THE UNION SHE'S OKAY WITH NONCITIZENS VOTING, DOES HAVE IMPACT, DOESN'T IT, JUST LIKE LAWS THAT YOU'RE SWORN TO UPHOLD AND IMPACT AND DO WHEN YOU'RE THE DIRECTOR OF ICE? 15:09:02 HAS SIGNIFICANT AND IF THIS WAS SEEN WE WOULDN'T HAVE SEEN ZERO LAWS. 15:09:10 BECAUSE OF STATEMENTS MADE THERE WAS CRISIS ON THE BORDER THAT DIDN'T HAPPEN YESTERDAY, YOU THINK ABOUT THIS, THERE WAS A CRISIS, THE ADMINISTRATION ASKED FOR HELP, DEMOCRATS SAY IT'S MANUFACTURED, IT'S FAKE, IT'S NOT REAL, THEN WHEN THE CRISIS, THE REAL CRISIS GETS WORSE, THE DEMOCRATS BLAME THE ADMINISTRATION FOR THE VERY CRISIS THEY HELP AND THE FACT THEY WON'T CHANGE THE LAW BUT SOMEHOW IT'S YOUR PROBLEM, SOMEHOW IT'S THE PRESIDENT'S PROBLEM, WE HAVE MS. COSTELLO, THE TEAM WENT OVER WITH INSPECTOR GENERAL, SAID THERE'S CONCERNS THAT SHE HAS AND THE CONCERNS THEY ARE TRYING TO ASCERTAIN, SHE SAID AGENTS ARE DOING -- AGENTS ARE DOING THEIR LEVEL BEST, IS THAT RIGHT, MS. COSTELLO? 15:10:01 THAT'S THE EXPERIENCE OF OUR INSPECTOR. 15:10:03 INSPECTOR GENERAL GOES DOWN WITH YOUR TEAM AND YOU CONCLUDE THE AGENTS, THE PEOPLE THAT MR. HOMAN REPRESENT DOING THEIR DARN BEST BUT THEY ARE OVERWHELMED AND YOU ALSO SAID IN YOUR STATEMENT, IN YOUR ANSWER A FEW MINUTES AGO, YOU'RE TRYING TO ASCERTAIN THE COSTS, THAT'S PRETTY SIMPLE TO FIGURE OUT THE COST, IT'S THE NUMBERS, IN OCTOBER 60,000 APPREHENSIONS ON THE BORDER, OCTOBER OF LAST YEAR, YOU KNOW WHAT IT WAS IN MAY OF THIS YEAR? 144,000, WE KNOW THE CAUSE, THEY ARE ALL COMING AND THEY ARE COMING BECAUSE THINGS THE OTHER SIDE SAYING AND WE WON'T CHANGE 3 FUNDAMENTAL THINGS IN THE LAW, IT ALSO MIGHT HELP, MR. HOMAN, PEOPLE PRESENTING THEMSELVES AT PORTS OF ENTRY AND BUILD BORDER WALL, IT MIGHT ACTUALLY HELP IF WE BUILT THE BORDER SECURITY WALL THAT THE AMERICAN PEOPLE VOTED THIS PRESIDENT IN OFFICE TO DO, WOULD YOU AGREE, MR. HOMAN? 15:11:07 ABSOLUTELY, EVERY PLACE BUILD BORDER BARRIER, ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION DECREASED. 15:11:14 IT WOULD HELP WITH SOME OF THE TRAGIC THINGS THAT WE HAVE HEARD ABOUT, TRAGIC SITUATION THAT WE HAVE HEARD THE LAST COUPLE OF DAYS, THE ENTIRE WEEK IN THE COMMITTEE THAT NO ONE WANTS TO SEE HAPPEN, THE YOUNG MOTHER WHO LOST HER DAUGHTER, TRAGIC, NO ONE WANTS -- BUT IF WE DID THE THINGS YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, WE COULD HELP AVOID SOME OF THOSE KINDS OF INCIDENTS FROM HAPPENING IN THE FUTURE, IS THAT RIGHT, MR. HOMAN, THE GUY WHO HAS LIVED IT, BREATHED IT, MANAGED IT, YOU KNOW -- YOU HAD MORE EXPERTISE THAN ANYONE IN THE ROOM; IS THAT RIGHT? 15:11:50 I BELIEVE SO. LET ME RESPOND TO THE CHILD THAT DIED IS TRAGIC. IF I CAN HAVE 30 SECOND. HERE IS THE PICTURE, SERENINITY, 9 MONTHS OLD. HERE IS IRANA RAPED REPEATEDLY AND KILLED BY ILLEGAL ALIEN. MULTIPLE RAPES AND MURED BY ILLEGAL ALIEN, 16-YEAR-OLD, LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER, I HAVE HUNDREDS OF THESE IN MY DESK DRAWER. I HAVE SEEN TEARS FROM PEOPLE TODAY, IT'S TRAGIC WHEN SOMEBODY DAD. DON'T FORGET ANGEL MOMS THAT I GOT TO KNOW, THEIR CHILDREN DIED AND THEY ARE SEPARATED FOREVER, THERE'S NOT A MATTER OF LOCATION, THEY ARE DEAD, A SECURE BORDER WOULD HELP PREVENT SOME OF THAT. SANCTUARY DOES NOT HELP THIS, SANCTUARIES HELP INCREASE BECAUSE THE PUSH OF SANCTUARY CITIES COME TO THE COUNTRY TO PROTECT YOU, YOU CAN COMMIT A CRIME WHEN YOU'RE IN COUNTY JAIL, WE WILL NOT LET ICE IN THE JAIL, ANYBODY CAN LOOK THEM UP. 50% REOFFEND FIRST YEAR, THEY'RE IN THE COUNTRY ILLEGALLY IN VIOLATION OF PRESENT LAW. THEY ARE LOCKED UP IN COUNTY JAIL, LET US HAVE ACCESS TO THEM AND DO OUR JOB. 15:13:14 THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MS. KELLY. 15:13:18 THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. 15:13:27 MY COLLEAGUE SAID, I COME FROM A LAW ENFORCEMENT FAMILY TOO AND I WOULD JUST SAY -- YOU MADE SOME COMMENT ABOUT WHAT WE WANT TO DO AWAY WITH ICE, I NEVER SAID I WANTED TO DO AWAY WITH ICE AND I JUST FEEL LIKE THERE'S A LOT OF GENERALIZATIONS GOING ON AND, YOU KNOW, WE TALK ABOUT INVITING PEOPLE IN MAKING IT EASIER, MY DISTRICT IS URBAN, SUBURBAN AND RURAL AND I HAVE 1200 FARMS IN MY DISTRICT AND I KNOW A LOT OF MY FARMERS ARE REPUBLICAN AND THEY'VE TOLD ME THAT THEY HAVE MIGRANTS WORKING FOR THEM UNDOCUMENTED FOLKS WORKING FOR THEM, SO IF WE WOULD HAVE DONE BETTER WITH IMPROVING IMMIGRATION OR MAKING A PATHWAY AND WHERE THERE WAS BIPARTISAN GANG OF 8 IN THE SENATE AND WE DIDN'T EVEN ENTERTAIN THE BILL IN THE HOUSE, WHEN WE HAD A REPUBLICAN SPEAKER, SO WE CAN ALWAYS SAY THERE'S THINGS THAT COULD HAVE BEEN DONE AND I COULD THINK OF THINGS THAT COULD HAVE BEEN DONE THAT HAVEN'T BEEN DONE, SO -- AND I KNOW PEOPLE THAT ARE REPUBLICANS THAT ARE DEMOCRATS THAT FEEL LIKE WE NEED TO DO A MUCH BETTER JOB. ALL THE CONDEMNING IS VERY INTERESTING, ANYWAY, I WANTED TO FOCUS ON THE HOMESTEAD SHELTER IN FLORIDA, LARGEST FACILITY TO HAVE AND CARE FOR IMMIGRANT CHILDREN RUN FOR NON-FOR-PROFIT AND I WILL SAY YOUR NAME CORRECTLY, YOU TESTIFIED ABOUT CHILDREN IN HOMESTEAD FACILITY AND YOU WERE, QUOTE, CONCERNED ABOUT NUMEROUS VIOLATIONS OF THE FLORIDA SETTLEMENT AGREEMENT, CAN YOU DESCRIBE WHAT YOUR CONCERNS ARE AND WHAT THE CONDITIONS ARE? 15:15:13 HOMESTEAD HOUSES THOUSANDS OF CHILDREN, MORE THAN 2,000 AND SET TO EXPAND TO 3,000, ENVIRONMENT THAT'S NOT CONDUCIVE TO CHILDREN'S WELL-BEING, CHILDREN GET LOST IN THE CRACKS THERE. WHEN I INTERVIEWED CHILDREN THERE IN MARCH 2019, MY COLLEAGUES AND I FOUND A 14-YEAR-OLD BOY THERE WHO WAS LEGALLY BLIND, HE WEIGHED 66 POUNDS AND WAS 4'9-INCHES TALL HE WAS INDIGENOUS LANGUAGE SPEAKER, FIRST LANGUAGE IS APECO, HE HAD BEEN DETAINED 120 DAYS. HE SUBSEQUENTLY RECEIVED INCIDENT REPORTS, WE WERE CONCERNED ABOUT WELL-BEING, WE REQUESTED FULL FILE, DOCUMENTED INCIDENTS, MULTIPLE INCIDENTS WHERE HE HAD BEEN ASSAULTED INCLUDING BEING PUSHED BY OTHER CHILDREN, PUNCHED IN THE GROWING. I -- FATHER HAD BEEN DESPERATELY TRYING TO REUNITE WITH THIS CHILD. IT TOOK US THREATENING TO SUE TO GET THIS CHILD OUT OF HOMESTEAD. 15:16:30 OKAY, OFFICE OF INSPECTOR GENERAL INVESTIGATING CONDITIONS AT THIS FACILITY? 15:16:38 INDEED. HOMESTEAD WAS ONE OF THEM. SINCE THEN WE'VE BEEN DOWN THERE SEVERAL TIMES OFFERING TECHNICAL ASSISTANCE AND OUTREACH TO THAT FACILITY AND WE CONTINUE TO APPLY OVERSIGHT TO HOMESTEAD. 15:16:50 HOW CAN THEY STAY OPEN WITH REPORTS LIKE THIS? 15:16:56 WELL, THE WORK THAT WE DID IS ONGOING, I WILL HAVE TO PAUSE AND WAIT UNTIL THAT BECOMES PUBLIC. AT THAT POINT I WOULD BE HAPPY TO PREVIEW YOU AND YOUR STAFF, WE LOOKED AT SAFETY ISSUES THAT AFFECT CHILDREN IN FACILITIES. 15:17:13 MR. CHAIR, I WOULD LIKE TO ENTER THE ARTICLE FOR THE RECORD. 15:17:16 WITHOUT OBJECTION, SO ORDERED. 15:17:21 THE ARTICLE EXPLAINS A STORY OF 15-YEAR-OLD WHO WAS STRIPPED FROM HIS FAMILY BY CBP DURING TRAFFIC STOP AND TRANSFERRED AND TREATED AS UNACCOMPANIED MINOR, THE CHILD LIVED IN THE UNITED STATES SINCE HE WAS 9 MONTH'S OLD, CHILDREN WHO HAVE BEEN LIVING IN THE U.S. FOR NEARLY ENTIRELY LIVES. WITH THAT SAID, I WOULD LIKE TO ENTER INTO THE RECORD THE STATUTORY DEFINITION OF UNACCOMPANIED MINOR ALSO WHICH INCLUDES NO PARENT OR LEGAL GUARDIAN IN THE UNITED STATES AND NO PARENT OR LEGAL GUARDIAN IN THE UNITED STATES AVAILABLE TO PROVIDE CARE AND PHYSICAL CUSTODY, THIS 15-YEAR-OLD BY OUR OWN STATUTORY DEFINITION IS NOT AN UNACCOMPANIED MINOR. MS. COSTELLO, ARE YOU AWARE OF THIS PRACTICE? 15:18:15 WE ARE AWARE OF SEPARATIONS BUT CURRENTLY WE HAVE NO PUBLIC REPORTING ON ANY OF THAT, THOSE ISSUES THAT YOU DESCRIBED. 15:18:23 AND YOUR POLICY IN UNDOCUMENTED CHILDREN IN THE U.S.? 15:18:34 WE MAY PROVIDE OVERSIGHT, WE ARE NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR IMPLEMENTING POLICY OR CREATING POLICY IN ANY WAY. 15:18:48 YOU WERE TRYING TO ADMIT ONE DOCUMENT OR TWO? 15:18:51 TWO. 15:18:53 OH, I DIDN'T -- 15:18:55 THE DEFINITION OF UNACCOMPANIED -- 15:18:56 WITHOUT OBJECTION, SO ORDERED TO BOTH OF THOSE DOCUMENTS. MS. TLABIB. 15:19:07 THANK YOU VERY MUCH, I APPRECIATE THIS HEARING, THANK YOU ALL FOR BEING HERE. I BELIEVE IN THE IMPORTANCE OF WHISTLEBLOWERS, SOMETIMES THE TRUTH TELLERS ESPECIALLY TO COMMITTEE, WE KNOW THAT EMPLOYEES HAVE DECIDED TO -- DECIDED TO STICK TO THEIR LIVE -- DECIDED TO STICK OUT THEIR LIVELIHOOD AND PUT COURAGE AND COUNTRY FIRST AND TO THE CHAIR BEFORE I BEGIN QUESTIONING I WOULD LIKE TO SUBMIT TWO DOCUMENTS, THE FIRST IS A JULY 17TH, 2018 LETTER TO SENATE WHISTLEBLOWER CAUCUS CHAIRS AND COMMENT SUBMITTED ON PROPOSED RULE BY IMMIGRATION AND CUSTOM BUREAU. 15:19:46 WITHOUT OBJECTION, SO ORDERED. 15:19:48 THANK YOU. DR. SCOTT OR DOCTORS ELLEN ARE TWO WHISTLEBLOWERS, THEY TRIED TO WARN YOUR OFFICE, MS. CASTILLO, MIGRANT CHILDREN WERE GOING TO DIE IN CUSTODY, DOES THAT SOUND FAMILIAR AT ALL? 15:20:11 THAT ONE IN PARTICULAR ARE NOT RINGING ANY BELLS RIGHT NOW. 15:20:15 QUOTE, WE WARRANTED DHS THAT MIGRANT CHILD COULD DIE IN CUSTODY YET WHISTLE BLOWERS WERE COMPLETELY IGNORED BY THE OFFICE, THEIR LAWYERS TELL US THAT NO ONE EVER RESPONDED TO CONDITION SENT AT ALL DESPITE MULTIPLE ATTEMPTS TO CONNECT WITH YOU. 15:20:30 SO AS YOU SAID, WE TAKE WHISTLEBLOWER CONCERNS EXTREMELY CAREFULLY, WE TAKE ALL OF THOSE CASES AND ALLEGATIONS INTO CONSIDERATION. I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH THE ISSUE THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT BUT -- BUT MY OFFICE CAN GET BACK TO YOU WITH SOME INFORMATION. 15:20:44 DO I APPRECIATE THAT. 15:20:47 THE NEXT THING I WANT TO TALK ABOUT IS WE BROUGHT FORTH CHILDREN, THERE'S BACK AND FORTH ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THIS SEEMS TO ALWAYS BE THE SENSE AND MAYBE BECAUSE I'M NEW BECAUSE WHO TO BLAME, WHERE DID IT START, WHAT THE CAUSE IS, THE PROBLEM IS THE CRISIS IS HERE. EVERYBODY WANTS TO STICK IN HOW WE GOT HERE, BUT WE ARE HERE NOW AND THE RESPONSIBILITY IS ON US TO ADDRESS IT. AND THERE'S A SENSE OF URGENCY, AT LEAST MY PART TO ADDRESSING THIS BUT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT REALLY WAS PROFOUND WAS WHEN ONE OF THOSE CPP AGENTS TOOK ME ASIDE EVEN THOUGH ON TRUCKS, IF YOU LOOK AT TRUCKS ANYWHERE, THERE'S A TERM THAT SAYS HONOR FIRST. ARE YOU FAMILIAR WITH THAT, MR. HOMAN, HONOR FIRST, WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? EXACTLY IT SAYS, BUT THERE'S ALSO STICKING TOGETHER, NOT TELLING ON EACH OTHER, KIND OF CULTURE, BUT A COUPLE OF 3 DIFFERENT AGENTS, ONE SAID STOP SENDING MONEY, IT'S NOT WORKING, HE LITERALLY SAID TO ME IN A WHISPER. ONE SAID WE WEREN'T TRAINED TO DO THIS, I'M NOT A SOCIAL WORKER NOR MEDICAL CARE WORKER AND ANOTHER VERY COURAGEOUSLY, SOMEBODY THAT MANY OF MY COLLEAGUES WOULD BE SURPRISE TODAY KNOW SAID THIS TO ME BUT HE SAID THE SEPARATION POLICY ISN'T WORKING. THE MORALE HAS BEEN OUT OF LAW ENFORCEMENT, MORALE OF AGENTS IN CPP ARE AMONG THE LOWEST AND SUICIDE IS ACTUALLY INCREASED OVER 100 AGENTS EVEN WHEN YOU WERE THERE, MR. HOMAN, WE TALK ABOUT DEHUMANIZATION OF CHILDREN AND SO FORTH BUT WE ALSO UNDERSTAND THERE IS A NUMBER OF STRESSES AND I CAN FEEL IT FROM YOU, MR. HOMAN RIGHT NOW. BUT I ALSO HESITATION THAT YOU HESITATE TO SHAKE MY HAND AND I WANTED YOU TO KNOW AND PAUSED, I THOUGHT, DID I DO ANYTHING FOR YOU TO PAUSE AND NOT SHAKE MY HAND EVEN THOUGH I WAS TELLING THE TRUTH, WHAT I SAW, AND I'M NOT BLAMING THE AGENTS, I'M NOT BLAMING -- I'M BLAMING THE BROKEN IMMIGRATION SYSTEM JUST LIKE YOU ARE. WE HAVE TO DECIDE AND HAVE COURAGE IN THIS CHAMBER OF WHETHER OR NOT WE PROCEED IN FIXING IT AND IF IT'S YOUR ROUTE OF -- OF CLOSING BORDERS AND ALL THAT, GREAT, LET'S DEBATE THAT U BUT ONE OF THE THINGS I'M TAKING ABACK IS THE CHILDREN 7 YEAR'S OLD THAT WE ARE SEPARATING, AVERAGE AGE IS 7 YEAR'S OLD, THE TRAUMA WITH WILL CREATE IS GOING TO BE A GENERATION THAT I DON'T THINK WE WILL EVER BE ABLE TO TRULY ADDRESS. I KNOW THAT YOU CAN'T TALK ABOUT IT, I AGREE WITH THE AGENT THAT SEPARATION POLICY ISN'T WORKING, TO WHAT WE ARE DOING THERE AND WE KNOW THE ADMINISTRATION AND YOU MAY NOT BE ABLE TO SPEAK ABOUT IT, WAS TRYING IN WAYS TO PREVENT PEOPLE FROM COMING, BUT IT DIDN'T, IT WASN'T ABOUT THE -- I WILL TELL YOU RIGHT NOW, THE MAN THAT WAS FROM BRAZIL, WHEN I TOLD HIM IN ENGLISH AND HE UNDERSTOOD A LITTLE BIT BECAUSE HE SPOKE -- HIS SPANISH, HE DIDN'T SPEAK SPANISH, HE HAD A LOT OF ISSUES OF LANGUAGE AND I'M SORRY, MR. CHAIRMAN, JUST, YOU KNOW, HE -- I TOLD HIM, YOU KNOW THEY MIGHT SEPARATE YOU FROM YOUR CHILD, HE SAID, NO, NO, NO, NO, THAT CAN'T HAPPEN AND I SAID BUT THAT'S THE POLICY RIGHT NOW THAT WE HAVE, YOU MIGHT SEE 14 OR 8-YEAR-OLD DAUGHTER ANYMORE AND I CAN'T SIT BY AND SAY THAT IS OKAY, THE ONE THING WE CAN DO IN THIS CHAMBER WE CAN AGREE TO SEPARATION POLICY NEEDS TO STOP. MORE MONEY TOWARDS SUPPORTING SEPARATION POLICY NEEDS TO STOP, I DON'T WANT AN AGENT TO KILL THEMSELVES, I I DON'T WANT CAREFUL AGENT IN TOP LEVEL, NOT ONE THAT IS AT BORDER, PUT ME AT THE BORDER HE SAID, THAT'S WHERE I BELONG, NOT HERE WITH THESE CHILDREN. THANK YOU, MR. SPEAKER. 15:25:03 THANK YOU VERY MUCH. MR. GREEN. 15:25:07 THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I WANT EVERYBODY TO THINK OF A BUSY EMERGENCY DEPARTMENT, BUSY EMERGENCY DEPARTMENT IN INNER CITY IN A MASSIVE NATURAL DISASTER OCCURS AND THERE ARE HUNDREDS OF PATIENTS NOW FLOODING THAT EMERGENCY DEPARTMENT U THEY ARE TREATING PEOPLE IN HALLWAYS, THEY ARE TREATING PEOPLE IN THE PARKING LOT. IT IS A CRISIS, MASSIVE CRISIS, PATIENTS EVERYWHERE. IT'S NOT THE DOCTOR'S FAULT THAT PATIENTS ARE EVERYWHERE, IT'S NOT THE NURSE'S FAULT THAT THE CRISIS HAS SUDDENLY OVERWHELMED THE EMERGENCY DEPARTMENT AND IT IS RIDICULOUS TO ASSERT THAT. THE PROBLEM IS THAT THE PIPE ISN'T BIG ENOUGH, YOU CAN ONLY FLOW SO MUCH WATER OR SO MANY PATIENTS DURING EMERGENCY DEPARTMENT IF THERE'S 30 BEDS, 40 BEDS AND NOBODY BUILDS EMERGENCY DEPARTMENTS FOR THOUSANDS OF PATIENTS, YOU CAN'T DO THAT WHEN THE CRISIS HAPPENS IT'S NOT THE DOCTOR'S FAULT. IT'S NOT THE NURSE'S FAULT, IT IS THE DIAMETER OF THE PIPELINE. WELL, HOW DO YOU GET THE PIPELINE TO HAVE A BIGGER DIAMETER? YOU HAVE TO HAVE MORE BEDS, YOU TO HAVE MORE SPACE, YOU HAVE TO HAVE MORE MONEY. SO FOR MONTHS WE HAVE BEEN ASKING FOR BUDGET AND PEOPLE SITTING ON THE COMMITTEE WHO VOTED AGAINST MONEY TO GO TO THE PROBLEM, IN FACT, SOME PEOPLE WANT TO CLOSE THE DEPARTMENT OF HOMELAND SECURITY ENTIRELY, YET AT THE SAME TIME SCREAMINGLY NEED MORE RESOURCES ON THE BORDER. HOW -- HOW RIDICULOUS IS THAT? IT'S THEATRICS, IT'S JUST THEATRICS, THAT'S ALL IT IS. IN 1960's, THE PROGRESSIVE LIBERALS CALLED OUR SOLDIERS BABY KILLERS, REMEMBER THAT? THEY CAME HOME FROM VIETNAM AND WERE SPAT ON AND NOW CBP IS BEING CALLED NAZI CONCENTRATION CAMP OPERATORS U -- HOW INSANE IS THAT AND RIDICULOUS AND DARK DAY IN AMERICA WHEN WE CALLED OUR SOLDIERS BABY KILLERS WHEN IN FACT, THEY WERE JUST DOING WHAT THE COUNTRY HAD ASKED THEM TO DO. THEATRICS. LET ME BEGIN BY SETTING THE RECORD STRAIGHT, THIS NOTION THAT REPUBLICANS AND CONSERVATIVES ARE SOMEHOW UNCONCERNED ABOUT THE PLIGHT OF PEOPLE IS JUST WRONG AND UNFAIR. I RAN TWO FREE HEALTH CARE CLINICS IN TENNESSEE OUT OF MY OWN POCKET AND WE GET PROGRESSIVE LIBERALS SAYING WE NEED MORE TAXES TO TAKE CARE OF MORE PEOPLE, I SAY COME VOLUNTEER IN THE CLINIC, IF YOU REALLY CARE, YOU KNOW HOW MANY HAVE TAKEN ME UP ON IT IN 4 YEARS, NONE, NOT A SINGLE ONE HAS COME AND VOLUNTEERED IN MY FREE HEALTHCARE CLINICS. WHILE I'VE OFFERED IT AND OFFERED IT, THEATRICS. AS POLITICO REPORTED IN AN ARTICLE LAST MONTH, U.S. BORDER PATROL APPREHENDED NEARLY 85,000 FAMILY MEMBERS IN MAY, 44% INCREASE OVER THE PRIOR MONTH, HISTORIC HIGH FOR COMPARISON THE BORDER PATROL APPREHENDED 107,000 FAMILY MEMBERS IN ALL OF 2018. WE'VE HAD A NATURAL DISASTER AND THE ER IS OVERWHELMED, THEY NEED RESOURCES, THEY NEED CONGRESS TO DO OUR JOB. WHAT DOES THE LEFT WANT TO DO? 15:29:04 LET'S -- WE DIDN'T ACKNOWLEDGE THAT THERE WAS A CRISIS WHEN WE PROBABLY SHOULD HAVE, SO LET'S JUST BLAME PRESIDENT TRUMP, WE WILL SAY HE'S THE ONE PUTTING THESE KIDS IN CAGES, OH, WAIT, THAT PICTURE WAS FROM 2015U OBAMA WAS PRESIDENT, RIGHT. RETRIED TO PLAY IT OFF AND NOW WE'VE BEEN CAUGHT, OH, LET'S JUST BLAME THE PRESIDENT. THEATRICS. LISTEN, IT'S TIME FOR CONGRESS TO DO ITS JOB AND GET THE RESOURCES TO THESE MEN AND WOMEN WHO ARE ON THE BORDER TAKING CARE OF THIS CRISIS. MR. CHAIRMAN, I THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SHARE MY PERSPECTIVE AND I YIELD MY TIME BACK. 15:29:53 BEFORE I DO GLOBAL MARKET ACTION OVERNIGHT TO MS. ALEXANDRIA OCASIO-CORTEZ, LET ME SAY THAT BOTH SIDES ON THE AISLE I THINK WE NEED TO BE CAREFUL ABOUT HOW WE TALK ABOUT THE MOTIVES ABOUT COLLEAGUES. I BELIEVE THAT EVERYONE IS OPERATING IN GOOD FAITH AND I JUST WANT US TO BE HAVE CAREFUL WITH THAT. WITH THAT, MS. OCASIO-CORTEZ. 15:30:23 THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. EARLIER MY COLLEAGUE FROM MARYLAND, ASKED THE PANEL HOW MANY PEOPLE HERE BELIEVED THAT CHILD SEPARATION IS AN EFFECTIVE POLICY IN DETERRING AND NO ONE ON THE PANEL RAISED THEIR HAND. I JUST WANTED TO NOTE THAT FOR THE RECORD, MR. CHAIR. I WANTED TO ASK A REQUEST FROM PROFESSOR, IS THE UNITED STATES VIOLATING OR VIOLATED HUMAN RIGHTS AGREEMENTS SET BY THE UNITED NATIONS IN A FAMILY SEPARATION POLICY? 15:31:02 YES. INTERNATIONAL LAW IS CLEAR THAT FAMILY UNITY SHOULD BE PRIORITIZE. 15:31:10 SO WE AS MEMBERS OF UNITED NATIONS SIGNED ON THAT FAMILY SEPARATION IS VIOLATION OF HUMAN RIGHTS AND THAT VIOLATES HUMAN RIGHTS. YOU KNOW, MR. CHAIR, I WAS LOOKING HOW HOW DID WE GET TO THIS POINT, HOW DID WE GET TO THIS POINT WHERE WE TAKE CHILDREN OUT OF MOTHERS AND FATHERS' ARMS. YOU KNOW, IT DATED BACK -- FAMILY SEPARATION THE WAY THAT WE HAVE SEEN IT, TAKE CHILDREN AWAY FROM THEIR PARENTS WITHOUT DUE PROCESS BEGAN LAST YEAR UNDER SECRETARY KIRSTJEN NIELSEN BUT I HAVE TO DIG FURTHER AND OUR STAFF DUG FURTHER, BUT WHERE DID THIS START WITHIN THE ADMINISTRATION SHE IMPLEMENTED AND WE FOUND A MEMO DATES BACK TO APRIL 23RD OF 201 SECRETARY OF HOMELAND SECURITY SAID THAT WE CANNOT EMBRACE THE POLICY AND I QUOTE, NOT DEPORT THOSE WHO ENTER OR REMAIN IN THIS COUNTRY ILLEGALLY UNLESS THEY COMMIT A CRIME. THIS IS TANTAMOUNT TO A PUBLIC DECLARATION REPEATED AND AMPLIFIED BY SMUGGLERS IN CENTRAL AMERICA THAT OUR BORDERS ARE EFFECTIVELY OPEN TO ALL. THIS WILL INCREASE THE RECENT LEVELS OF MONTHLY APPREHENSIONS AT OUR SOUTHERN BORDER AT ABOUT OR MORE THAN 100,000 BY MULTIPLES "-RIGHT-DOUBLE-QUOTE. HE IS RIGHT. RESIDENT OF IMUS' SECRETARY OF HOMELAND SECURITY IS RIGHT ABOUT THE REAL PROBLEM WE HAVE AT THE BORDER. WE HAVE TO GET SERIOUS ABOUT THIS PROBLEM AT THE BORDER. MR. HOLMAN, YOU ARE CLEARLY AN EXPERT. WHAT CAN CONGRESS DO TO FIX THIS PROBLEM? 14:59:04 CLOSE THE LOOPHOLES IN ASYLUM AND MAKE THEM MEANINGFUL. THEY CAN CHANGE THE [INAUDIBLE] CHILDREN OF CENTRAL AMERICA TREATED THE SAME WEIGHT OF CHILDREN OF AMERICA AND THEY CAN BE REMOVED AND [INAUDIBLE] LET ME EXPLAIN TO YOU WHY AM SITTING HERE SO FRUSTRATED. I'M THE ONLY ONE IN THIS ROOM THAT HAS WORN THE UNIFORM AND BEEN ON THAT LINE. I'M THE ONLY ONE THAT SAW ALIENS LEFT BY SMUGGLERS ON THE TRAIL BECAUSE THEY DID NOT HAVE MONEY ANYMORE. I'M THE ONLY ONE THAT STOOD BACK WITH TRACTOR-TRAILERS WITH 19 DEAD ALIENS INCLUDING FIVE -YEAR-OLD LITTLE BOY SUFFOCATED TO DEATH IN HIS FATHER'S ARMS. I WAS THERE. I SAW AND SMELLED IT AND IT'S TERRIBLE. I STILL HAVE NIGHTMARES TO THE STATEMENT WAS PHOENIX, ARIZONA WHEN YOU CANNOT PAY THE SMUGLY FEELS FEES YOURS TORTURED AND SOMEONE WAS STABBED IN THE FACE 22 TIMES. WE KEEP TALKING ABOUT OPEN BORDERS AND ABOLISH I.C.E. AND LET'S NOT DETAIN ANYBODY AND THAT ENTICES MORE PEOPLE TO COME. THIS IS NOT JUST THE FORCE LAW BUT I FOUND THE BODIES IN MY DAY. I THINK PICTURES TODAY BUT NO ONE WANTS THOSE PICTURES BECAUSE THEIR ANGEL MOM AND DAD. THE MORE WE ENTICE PEOPLE TO MAKE THIS JOURNEY 31% OF WOMEN ARE BEING RAPED, CHILDREN ARE DYING AND I SAID MONTHS AGO IF WE DON'T CLOSE THE LOOPHOLES MORE WOMEN WILL BE RAPED AND MORE CHILDREN WILL DIE. NO ONE IS LISTENING. 15:00:42 THERE ARE TWO THINGS WE CAN DO TO FIX THIS. IF CONGRESS DOESN'T LIKE WHAT I SAID IN CBP DO, DO YOUR JOB AND FIX IT. CONGRESS HAS FAILED. PEOPLE AND THEY WOULD RATHER POINT TO MANY WOMEN OF I.C.E. WHO HAVE AN AMERICAN FLAG ON THE SHOULDER AND SERVE THEIR NATION. I'M EXTERNALLY FRUSTRATED BECAUSE WHAT I'VE SEEN TODAY IS MISLEADING THE AMERICAN PEOPLE. PEOPLE ARE DYING. NOT IN I.C.E. CUSTODY AND IF YOU COMPARE PEOPLE WHO DIE IN I.C.E. CUSTODY TO EVERY STATE, FEDERAL SYSTEM WE'VE GOT THE LOWEST RATE IN THE HELL OF A LOT LOWER RATE THAN NEW YORK BUT NO ONE WANT TO TALK ABOUT US. WE NEED TO SAVE LIVES AND SECURED OUR BORDERS. THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH A SECURE BORDER. 15:01:23 I CAN ASSURE YOU, AT THE SIDE OF THE AISLE WE KNOW IT SERIOUS ABOUT SECURING THE BORDER AND THE PRESIDENT IS SERIOUS ABOUT TRIGGERING THE BORDER. I MY COLLEAGUES ON THE SIDE OF THE AISLE WILL GET SERIOUS ABOUT SECURE THE BORDER SO WE CAN HAVE A REAL SOLUTION TO THE PROBLEM THAT WE HAVE AT THE SOUTHERN BORDER. ... 15:01:38 I DON'T THINK THAT'S THE CASE AND AS FAR AS LAW ENFORCEMENT GOES, I WAS THERE JUST A FEW WEEKS AGO BECAUSE I HAVE FAMILY THAT'S ON THAT. I WANT YOU TO KNOW THE QUESTIONS DON'T BLAME AGENT THAT IS WITH -- AGENTS THAT ARE WORKING IN THE FRONT LINES. I BELIEVE HONESTLY ARE COMING OUT DESPERATION. THEY ARE BEING TAKEN ADVANTAGE BY CRIMINALS, PEOPLE WILLING TO LEAD THEM TO DIE, THAT IS ALL TRUE. THERE ARE POLICIES IN PLACE HERE WITHIN THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA THAT GO AGAINST OUR VALUES AND ONE OF THOSE IS FAMILY SEPARATION, SO I WANT TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT YOUR BELIEVES ON FAMILY SEPARATION AND YOU'VE BEEN ON THE RECORD DEFENDING PRESIDENT TRUMP'S POLICY OF SEPARATING FAMILIES AT THE BORDER MANY TIMES, CAN YOU CLARIFY HOW YOU FEEL ABOUT THAT TODAY? 15:03:08 NO, I CANNOT, AS YOU RECOGNIZE IN YOUR REPORT IT'S UNDER LITIGATION, I'M PART OF THAT LITIGATION AND I'VE BEEN INSTRUCTED BY THE ATTORNEYS THAT I'M NOT ALLOWED TO SPEAK ABOUT THAT OTHER THAN A COURTROOM SETTING WHICH IS NOT. 15:03:21 OKAY, THAT'S FINE. SO YOU HAVE SAID, THOUGH THAT YOU BELIEVE FAMILIES SHOULD BE HELD INDEFINITELY UNTIL THEY HAVE A COURT HEARING? 15:03:29 WELL, COURT HEARING AND INDEFINITELY ARE TWO DIFFERENT THINGS. FAMILY RESIDENTIAL. 15:03:42 YOU CANNOT COMMENT ABOUT FAMILY SEPARATION NOW? 15:03:45 THEY ARE SEPARATED BY ANOTHER AGENCY. 15:03:50 I ALSO WANT TO POINT OUT ON JUNE 14TH, PRESIDENT TRUMP TOLD "FOX & FRIENDS" THAT YOU TOM HOMAN WOULD BE REPORTING TO THE BORDER ADMINISTRATION. 15:04:03 I'VE NOT ACCEPTED ANY POSITION. 15:04:05 AS OF 4 DAYS YOU SAID YOU HAVEN'T ACCEPTED POSITION BUT YOU ALSO SAID THAT IF YOU CAN HELP THE PRESIDENT, YES, YOU WILL. 15:04:12 I COME BACK FROM RETIREMENT ONCE, I'M NOT GOING TO SAY NEVER SAY NEVER. 15:04:17 YOU NEVER SAID HELP MY COUNTRY, YOU SAID HELP THE PRESIDENT. YOU'RE A FOX NEWS CONTRIBUTOR? 15:04:34 YES. PROBABLY. TO RETURN TO FAMILY SEPARATION ISSUE AND EVEN THOUGH FEDERAL COURT ORDERED SEPARATIONS TO STOP LAST JUNE, THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION SEPARATED AT LEAST 700 ADDITIONAL CHILDREN OVER THE LAST YEAR, HOWEVER, YOU HEARD WITNESSES SAY THAT THE NUMBER IS HIGHER. THIS ADMINISTRATION CLAIMS THAT IT'S ONLY SEPARATING CHILDREN UNDER NARROW EXCEPTIONS TO COURT'S ORDER, SPECIFIC CONSENT FOR CHILD SAFETY AND ISSUES. ARE THOSE NECESSARY TO PROTECT CHILDREN. 15:05:07 NO, IT HAS BEEN EXPERIENCE IN VAST OVERWHELMING MAJORITY OF FAMILY SEPARATION CASES THOSE SEPARATIONS WERE UNJUSTIFIED AN UNNECESSARY EITHER TO PROTECT THE SAFETY OF THE CHILD OR ANYONE ELSE. 15:05:19 HAS YOUR CHILDREN WORKED WITH CHILDREN SEPARATED? 15:05:23 SEPARATED AFTER THE POLICY ENDED. 15:05:26 YOU'VE SHARED A NUMBER OF STORIES HOW YOU'VE SPOKEN OF CHILDREN HAVE BEEN SEPARATED FROM THEIR PARENTS OR ANYTHING YOU WOULD LIKE TO ADD? 15:05:44 CONTINUE EVERY DAY AND I HAVE HERE EMAILS FROM MR. HOMAN INCLUDING HIS NAME WITH HIM HAVING AUTHORIZED FAMILY SEPARATIONS INCLUDING OF A CHILD AND MOTHER WHO I REPRESENTED WHO WERE GRANTED ASYLUM, WHO WERE BONAFIDE REFUGEES IN THE UNITED STATES. 15:06:04 I HAVE OTHER EXAMPLES IN COURT FILINGS, ARREST WARRANT FROM 10 YEARS AGO, MISTAKEN IDENTITY TO SEPARATE CHILD, ANOTHER PARENT SEPARATED DUE TO HIV STATUS AND TO ME THIS APPEAR THAT IS THE ADMINISTRATION IS TRYING TO SEPARATE CHILDREN FROM THEIR PARENTS ALL OVER AGAIN. ARE ALL SEPARATIONS REQUIRED BY LAW IN ANY SHAPE OR FORM? 15:06:29 NO, CONTRARY TO CONSTITUTIONAL, FEDERAL LAWS, REGULATIONS, THE HEAD STANDARD THAT HOW CBP IS SUPPOSED TO TREAT FAMILIES AND CHILDREN. 15:06:41 THE CONTINUED SEPARATIONS ARE COMPLETE OUTRAGE AND CONTRARY TO JUNE 2018 COURT ORDER ENDING ZERO TOLERANCE, TRUMP ADMINISTRATION MUST STOP USING UNNECESSARY SEPARATIONS AND I'M SERIOUSLY CONCERNED FOR NEW POTENTIAL BORDER BELIEVE IS GOOD POLICY, I YIELD BACK. 15:06:58 THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. JORDAN. 15:07:01 MR. HOMAN THE ACTION THAT IS YOU TOOK WERE CONSISTENT WITH THE LAW OF THE LAND, WERE THEY? 15:07:07 YES, THE CHILD CAN'T GO TO JAIL WITH A PARENT. HAPPENS TO AMERICAN FAMILIES EVERY DAY. 15:07:16 IF YOU DON'T LIKE THE LAW, LAST TIME I LOOKED FOLKS UP HERE HAVE TO CHANGE IT. YOU HAVE OFFERED 3 CHANGES TO THE LAW THAT WOULD HELP THE SITUATION; IS THAT RIGHT? 15:07:27 YES, SIR. 15:07:29 MAYBE A FIFTH TIME, CAN YOU SAY IT A FIFTH TIME FOR THE GROUP, AGAIN, WE ARE THE ONES THAT HAVE TO CHANGE LAWS, GIVE US THE RECOMMENDATION. 15:07:38 CLOSE LOOPHOLES IN TBPRA, CHILDREN SENT TO CENTRAL AMERICA ARE TREATED AS SAME AS MEXICO, OBTAIN FAMILY LONG ENOUGH TO SEE JUDGE AND PLEA CASE, IF WE CAN CHANGE RULES OF ASYLUM SO IT MAKES MORE SENSE SO 90% DON'T PASS IN FRONT OF A JUDGE, THOSE 3 THINGS WOULD -- WOULD MEAN A BIG -- WOULD MAKE A BIG DIFFERENCE ON THE BORDER. 15:08:08 THOSE 3 THINGS GO TO INCENTIVE, IS THAT RIGHT? 15:08:13 ALONG WITH OTHER THINGS TALK ABOUT ABOLISHING ICE, HAVING NO DETENTION, FREE EDUCATION, YEAH, FREE MEDICAL CARE. CITIZENSHIP FOR THOSE WHO ARE HERE ILLEGALLY, WHEN YOU KEEP OFFERING INCENTIVES, SANCTUARY CITIES, AS LONG AS YOU KEEP -- 15:08:30 THOSE STATEMENTS MADE BY DEMOCRATS IN UNITED STATES CONGRESS OR IN POSITIONS OF INFLUENCE IN THIS COUNTRY, THEY HAVE AN IMPACT, DON'T THEY? 15:08:41 SIGNIFICANT IMPACT. 15:08:44 ANOTHER CONGRESS SAID ABOLISH DHS, THE PERSON WHO GAVE STATE OF UNION RESPONDS TO PRESIDENT'S STATE OF THE UNION SHE'S OKAY WITH NONCITIZENS VOTING, DOES HAVE IMPACT, DOESN'T IT, JUST LIKE LAWS THAT YOU'RE SWORN TO UPHOLD AND IMPACT AND DO WHEN YOU'RE THE DIRECTOR OF ICE? 15:09:02 HAS SIGNIFICANT AND IF THIS WAS SEEN WE WOULDN'T HAVE SEEN ZERO LAWS. 15:09:10 BECAUSE OF STATEMENTS MADE THERE WAS CRISIS ON THE BORDER THAT DIDN'T HAPPEN YESTERDAY, YOU THINK ABOUT THIS, THERE WAS A CRISIS, THE ADMINISTRATION ASKED FOR HELP, DEMOCRATS SAY IT'S MANUFACTURED, IT'S FAKE, IT'S NOT REAL, THEN WHEN THE CRISIS, THE REAL CRISIS GETS WORSE, THE DEMOCRATS BLAME THE ADMINISTRATION FOR THE VERY CRISIS THEY HELP AND THE FACT THEY WON'T CHANGE THE LAW BUT SOMEHOW IT'S YOUR PROBLEM, SOMEHOW IT'S THE PRESIDENT'S PROBLEM, WE HAVE MS. COSTELLO, THE TEAM WENT OVER WITH INSPECTOR GENERAL, SAID THERE'S CONCERNS THAT SHE HAS AND THE CONCERNS THEY ARE TRYING TO ASCERTAIN, SHE SAID AGENTS ARE DOING -- AGENTS ARE DOING THEIR LEVEL BEST, IS THAT RIGHT, MS. COSTELLO? 15:10:01 THAT'S THE EXPERIENCE OF OUR INSPECTOR. 15:10:03 INSPECTOR GENERAL GOES DOWN WITH YOUR TEAM AND YOU CONCLUDE THE AGENTS, THE PEOPLE THAT MR. HOMAN REPRESENT DOING THEIR DARN BEST BUT THEY ARE OVERWHELMED AND YOU ALSO SAID IN YOUR STATEMENT, IN YOUR ANSWER A FEW MINUTES AGO, YOU'RE TRYING TO ASCERTAIN THE COSTS, THAT'S PRETTY SIMPLE TO FIGURE OUT THE COST, IT'S THE NUMBERS, IN OCTOBER 60,000 APPREHENSIONS ON THE BORDER, OCTOBER OF LAST YEAR, YOU KNOW WHAT IT WAS IN MAY OF THIS YEAR? 144,000, WE KNOW THE CAUSE, THEY ARE ALL COMING AND THEY ARE COMING BECAUSE THINGS THE OTHER SIDE SAYING AND WE WON'T CHANGE 3 FUNDAMENTAL THINGS IN THE LAW, IT ALSO MIGHT HELP, MR. HOMAN, PEOPLE PRESENTING THEMSELVES AT PORTS OF ENTRY AND BUILD BORDER WALL, IT MIGHT ACTUALLY HELP IF WE BUILT THE BORDER SECURITY WALL THAT THE AMERICAN PEOPLE VOTED THIS PRESIDENT IN OFFICE TO DO, WOULD YOU AGREE, MR. HOMAN? 15:11:07 ABSOLUTELY, EVERY PLACE BUILD BORDER BARRIER, ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION DECREASED. 15:11:14 IT WOULD HELP WITH SOME OF THE TRAGIC THINGS THAT WE HAVE HEARD ABOUT, TRAGIC SITUATION THAT WE HAVE HEARD THE LAST COUPLE OF DAYS, THE ENTIRE WEEK IN THE COMMITTEE THAT NO ONE WANTS TO SEE HAPPEN, THE YOUNG MOTHER WHO LOST HER DAUGHTER, TRAGIC, NO ONE WANTS -- BUT IF WE DID THE THINGS YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, WE COULD HELP AVOID SOME OF THOSE KINDS OF INCIDENTS FROM HAPPENING IN THE FUTURE, IS THAT RIGHT, MR. HOMAN, THE GUY WHO HAS LIVED IT, BREATHED IT, MANAGED IT, YOU KNOW -- YOU HAD MORE EXPERTISE THAN ANYONE IN THE ROOM; IS THAT RIGHT? 15:11:50 I BELIEVE SO. LET ME RESPOND TO THE CHILD THAT DIED IS TRAGIC. IF I CAN HAVE 30 SECOND. HERE IS THE PICTURE, SERENITY, 9 MONTHS OLD. HERE IS IRANA RAPED REPEATEDLY AND KILLED BY AN ILLEGAL ALIEN. MULTIPLE RAPES AND MURED BY ILLEGAL ALIEN, 16-YEAR-OLD, LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER, I HAVE HUNDREDS OF THESE IN MY DESK DRAWER. I HAVE SEEN TEARS FROM PEOPLE TODAY, IT'S TRAGIC WHEN SOMEBODY DAD. DON'T FORGET ANGEL MOMS THAT I GOT TO KNOW, THEIR CHILDREN DIED AND THEY ARE SEPARATED FOREVER, THERE'S NOT A MATTER OF LOCATION, THEY ARE DEAD, A SECURE BORDER WOULD HELP PREVENT SOME OF THAT. SANCTUARY DOES NOT HELP THIS, SANCTUARIES HELP INCREASE BECAUSE THE PUSH OF SANCTUARY CITIES COME TO THE COUNTRY TO PROTECT YOU, YOU CAN COMMIT A CRIME WHEN YOU'RE IN COUNTY JAIL, WE WILL NOT LET ICE IN THE JAIL, ANYBODY CAN LOOK THEM UP. 50% REOFFEND FIRST YEAR, THEY'RE IN THE COUNTRY ILLEGALLY IN VIOLATION OF PRESENT LAW. THEY ARE LOCKED UP IN COUNTY JAIL, LET US HAVE ACCESS TO THEM AND DO OUR JOB. 15:13:14 THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MS. KELLY. 15:13:18 THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. 15:13:27 MY COLLEAGUE SAID, I COME FROM A LAW ENFORCEMENT FAMILY TOO AND I WOULD JUST SAY -- YOU MADE SOME COMMENT ABOUT WHAT WE WANT TO DO AWAY WITH ICE, I NEVER SAID I WANTED TO DO AWAY WITH ICE AND I JUST FEEL LIKE THERE'S A LOT OF GENERALIZATIONS GOING ON AND, YOU KNOW, WE TALK ABOUT INVITING PEOPLE IN MAKING IT EASIER, MY DISTRICT IS URBAN, SUBURBAN AND RURAL AND I HAVE 1200 FARMS IN MY DISTRICT AND I KNOW A LOT OF MY FARMERS ARE REPUBLICAN AND THEY'VE TOLD ME THAT THEY HAVE MIGRANTS WORKING FOR THEM UNDOCUMENTED FOLKS WORKING FOR THEM, SO IF WE WOULD HAVE DONE BETTER WITH IMPROVING IMMIGRATION OR MAKING A PATHWAY AND WHERE THERE WAS BIPARTISAN GANG OF 8 IN THE SENATE AND WE DIDN'T EVEN ENTERTAIN THE BILL IN THE HOUSE, WHEN WE HAD A REPUBLICAN SPEAKER, SO WE CAN ALWAYS SAY THERE'S THINGS THAT COULD HAVE BEEN DONE AND I COULD THINK OF THINGS THAT COULD HAVE BEEN DONE THAT HAVEN'T BEEN DONE, SO -- AND I KNOW PEOPLE THAT ARE REPUBLICANS THAT ARE DEMOCRATS THAT FEEL LIKE WE NEED TO DO A MUCH BETTER JOB. ALL THE CONDEMNING IS VERY INTERESTING, ANYWAY, I WANTED TO FOCUS ON THE HOMESTEAD SHELTER IN FLORIDA, LARGEST FACILITY TO HAVE AND CARE FOR IMMIGRANT CHILDREN RUN FOR NON-FOR-PROFIT AND I WILL SAY YOUR NAME CORRECTLY, YOU TESTIFIED ABOUT CHILDREN IN HOMESTEAD FACILITY AND YOU WERE, QUOTE, CONCERNED ABOUT NUMEROUS VIOLATIONS OF THE FLORIDA SETTLEMENT AGREEMENT, CAN YOU DESCRIBE WHAT YOUR CONCERNS ARE AND WHAT THE CONDITIONS ARE? 15:15:13 HOMESTEAD HOUSES THOUSANDS OF CHILDREN, MORE THAN 2,000 AND SET TO EXPAND TO 3,000, ENVIRONMENT THAT'S NOT CONDUCIVE TO CHILDREN'S WELL-BEING, CHILDREN GET LOST IN THE CRACKS THERE. WHEN I INTERVIEWED CHILDREN THERE IN MARCH 2019, MY COLLEAGUES AND I FOUND A 14-YEAR-OLD BOY THERE WHO WAS LEGALLY BLIND, HE WEIGHED 66 POUNDS AND WAS 4'9-INCHES TALL HE WAS INDIGENOUS LANGUAGE SPEAKER, FIRST LANGUAGE IS APECO, HE HAD BEEN DETAINED 120 DAYS. HE SUBSEQUENTLY RECEIVED INCIDENT REPORTS, WE WERE CONCERNED ABOUT WELL-BEING, WE REQUESTED FULL FILE, DOCUMENTED INCIDENTS, MULTIPLE INCIDENTS WHERE HE HAD BEEN ASSAULTED INCLUDING BEING PUSHED BY OTHER CHILDREN, PUNCHED IN THE GROWING. I -- FATHER HAD BEEN DESPERATELY TRYING TO REUNITE WITH THIS CHILD. IT TOOK US THREATENING TO SUE TO GET THIS CHILD OUT OF HOMESTEAD. 15:16:30 OKAY, OFFICE OF INSPECTOR GENERAL INVESTIGATING CONDITIONS AT THIS FACILITY? 15:16:38 INDEED. HOMESTEAD WAS ONE OF THEM. SINCE THEN WE'VE BEEN DOWN THERE SEVERAL TIMES OFFERING TECHNICAL ASSISTANCE AND OUTREACH TO THAT FACILITY AND WE CONTINUE TO APPLY OVERSIGHT TO HOMESTEAD. 15:16:50 HOW CAN THEY STAY OPEN WITH REPORTS LIKE THIS? 15:16:56 WELL, THE WORK THAT WE DID IS ONGOING, I WILL HAVE TO PAUSE AND WAIT UNTIL THAT BECOMES PUBLIC. AT THAT POINT I WOULD BE HAPPY TO PREVIEW YOU AND YOUR STAFF, WE LOOKED AT SAFETY ISSUES THAT AFFECT CHILDREN IN FACILITIES. 15:17:13 MR. CHAIR, I WOULD LIKE TO ENTER THE ARTICLE FOR THE RECORD. 15:17:16 CUMMINGS WITHOUT OBJECTION, SO ORDERED. 15:17:21 THE ARTICLE EXPLAINS A STORY OF 15-YEAR-OLD WHO WAS STRIPPED FROM HIS FAMILY BY CBP DURING TRAFFIC STOP AND TRANSFERRED AND TREATED AS an UNACCOMPANIED MINOR, THE CHILD LIVED IN THE UNITED STATES SINCE HE WAS 9 MONTH'S OLD, CHILDREN WHO HAVE BEEN LIVING IN THE U.S. FOR NEARLY ENTIRELY LIVES. WITH THAT SAID, I WOULD LIKE TO ENTER INTO THE RECORD THE STATUTORY DEFINITION OF UNACCOMPANIED MINOR ALSO WHICH INCLUDES NO PARENT OR LEGAL GUARDIAN IN THE UNITED STATES AND NO PARENT OR LEGAL GUARDIAN IN THE UNITED STATES AVAILABLE TO PROVIDE CARE AND PHYSICAL CUSTODY, THIS 15-YEAR-OLD BY OUR OWN STATUTORY DEFINITION IS NOT AN UNACCOMPANIED MINOR. MS. COSTELLO, ARE YOU AWARE OF THIS PRACTICE? 15:18:15 WE ARE AWARE OF SEPARATIONS BUT CURRENTLY WE HAVE NO PUBLIC REPORTING ON ANY OF THAT, THOSE ISSUES THAT YOU DESCRIBED. 15:18:23 AND YOUR POLICY IN UNDOCUMENTED CHILDREN IN THE U.S.? 15:18:34 WE MAY PROVIDE OVERSIGHT, WE ARE NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR IMPLEMENTING POLICY OR CREATING POLICY IN ANY WAY. 15:18:48 YOU WERE TRYING TO ADMIT ONE DOCUMENT OR TWO? 15:18:51 TWO. 15:18:53 OH, I DIDN'T -- 15:18:55 THE DEFINITION OF UNACCOMPANIED -- 15:18:56 WITHOUT OBJECTION, SO ORDERED TO BOTH OF THOSE DOCUMENTS. MS. TLABIB. 15:19:07 REP. TLABIB 15:19:07 THANK YOU VERY MUCH, I APPRECIATE THIS HEARING, THANK YOU ALL FOR BEING HERE. I BELIEVE IN THE IMPORTANCE OF WHISTLEBLOWERS, SOMETIMES THE TRUTH TELLERS ESPECIALLY TO COMMITTEE, WE KNOW THAT EMPLOYEES HAVE DECIDED TO -- DECIDED TO STICK TO THEIR LIVE -- DECIDED TO STICK OUT THEIR LIVELIHOOD AND PUT COURAGE AND COUNTRY FIRST AND TO THE CHAIR BEFORE I BEGIN QUESTIONING I WOULD LIKE TO SUBMIT TWO DOCUMENTS, THE FIRST IS A JULY 17TH, 2018 LETTER TO SENATE WHISTLEBLOWER CAUCUS CHAIRS AND COMMENT SUBMITTED ON PROPOSED RULE BY IMMIGRATION AND CUSTOM BUREAU. 15:19:46 WITHOUT OBJECTION, SO ORDERED. 15:19:48 THANK YOU. DR. SCOTT OR DOCTORS ELLEN ARE TWO WHISTLEBLOWERS, THEY TRIED TO WARN YOUR OFFICE, MS. CASTILLO, MIGRANT CHILDREN WERE GOING TO DIE IN CUSTODY, DOES THAT SOUND FAMILIAR AT ALL? 15:20:11 THAT ONE IN PARTICULAR ARE NOT RINGING ANY BELLS RIGHT NOW. 15:20:15 QUOTE, WE WARRANTED DHS THAT MIGRANT CHILD COULD DIE IN CUSTODY YET WHISTLE BLOWERS WERE COMPLETELY IGNORED BY THE OFFICE, THEIR LAWYERS TELL US THAT NO ONE EVER RESPONDED TO CONDITION SENT AT ALL DESPITE MULTIPLE ATTEMPTS TO CONNECT WITH YOU. 15:20:30 SO AS YOU SAID, WE TAKE WHISTLEBLOWER CONCERNS EXTREMELY CAREFULLY, WE TAKE ALL OF THOSE CASES AND ALLEGATIONS INTO CONSIDERATION. I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH THE ISSUE THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT BUT -- BUT MY OFFICE CAN GET BACK TO YOU WITH SOME INFORMATION. 15:20:44 DO I APPRECIATE THAT. 15:20:47 THE NEXT THING I WANT TO TALK ABOUT IS WE BROUGHT FORTH CHILDREN, THERE'S BACK AND FORTH ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THIS SEEMS TO ALWAYS BE THE SENSE AND MAYBE BECAUSE I'M NEW BECAUSE WHO TO BLAME, WHERE DID IT START, WHAT THE CAUSE IS, THE PROBLEM IS THE CRISIS IS HERE. EVERYBODY WANTS TO STICK IN HOW WE GOT HERE, BUT WE ARE HERE NOW AND THE RESPONSIBILITY IS ON US TO ADDRESS IT. AND THERE'S A SENSE OF URGENCY, AT LEAST MY PART TO ADDRESSING THIS BUT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT REALLY WAS PROFOUND WAS WHEN ONE OF THOSE CPP AGENTS TOOK ME ASIDE EVEN THOUGH ON TRUCKS, IF YOU LOOK AT TRUCKS ANYWHERE, THERE'S A TERM THAT SAYS HONOR FIRST. ARE YOU FAMILIAR WITH THAT, MR. HOMAN, HONOR FIRST, WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? EXACTLY IT SAYS, BUT THERE'S ALSO STICKING TOGETHER, NOT TELLING ON EACH OTHER, KIND OF CULTURE, BUT A COUPLE OF 3 DIFFERENT AGENTS, ONE SAID STOP SENDING MONEY, IT'S NOT WORKING, HE LITERALLY SAID TO ME IN A WHISPER. ONE SAID WE WEREN'T TRAINED TO DO THIS, I'M NOT A SOCIAL WORKER NOR MEDICAL CARE WORKER AND ANOTHER VERY COURAGEOUSLY, SOMEBODY THAT MANY OF MY COLLEAGUES WOULD BE SURPRISE TODAY KNOW SAID THIS TO ME BUT HE SAID THE SEPARATION POLICY ISN'T WORKING. THE MORALE HAS BEEN OUT OF LAW ENFORCEMENT, MORALE OF AGENTS IN CPP ARE AMONG THE LOWEST AND SUICIDE IS ACTUALLY INCREASED OVER 100 AGENTS EVEN WHEN YOU WERE THERE, MR. HOMAN, WE TALK ABOUT DEHUMANIZATION OF CHILDREN AND SO FORTH BUT WE ALSO UNDERSTAND THERE IS A NUMBER OF STRESSES AND I CAN FEEL IT FROM YOU, MR. HOMAN RIGHT NOW. BUT I ALSO HESITATION THAT YOU HESITATE TO SHAKE MY HAND AND I WANTED YOU TO KNOW AND PAUSED, I THOUGHT, DID I DO ANYTHING FOR YOU TO PAUSE AND NOT SHAKE MY HAND EVEN THOUGH I WAS TELLING THE TRUTH, WHAT I SAW, AND I'M NOT BLAMING THE AGENTS, I'M NOT BLAMING -- I'M BLAMING THE BROKEN IMMIGRATION SYSTEM JUST LIKE YOU ARE. WE HAVE TO DECIDE AND HAVE COURAGE IN THIS CHAMBER OF WHETHER OR NOT WE PROCEED IN FIXING IT AND IF IT'S YOUR ROUTE OF -- OF CLOSING BORDERS AND ALL THAT, GREAT, LET'S DEBATE THAT U BUT ONE OF THE THINGS I'M TAKING ABACK IS THE CHILDREN 7 YEAR'S OLD THAT WE ARE SEPARATING, AVERAGE AGE IS 7 YEAR'S OLD, THE TRAUMA WITH WILL CREATE IS GOING TO BE A GENERATION THAT I DON'T THINK WE WILL EVER BE ABLE TO TRULY ADDRESS. I KNOW THAT YOU CAN'T TALK ABOUT IT, I AGREE WITH THE AGENT THAT SEPARATION POLICY ISN'T WORKING, TO WHAT WE ARE DOING THERE AND WE KNOW THE ADMINISTRATION AND YOU MAY NOT BE ABLE TO SPEAK ABOUT IT, WAS TRYING IN WAYS TO PREVENT PEOPLE FROM COMING, BUT IT DIDN'T, IT WASN'T ABOUT THE -- I WILL TELL YOU RIGHT NOW, THE MAN THAT WAS FROM BRAZIL, WHEN I TOLD HIM IN ENGLISH AND HE UNDERSTOOD A LITTLE BIT BECAUSE HE SPOKE -- HIS SPANISH, HE DIDN'T SPEAK SPANISH, HE HAD A LOT OF ISSUES OF LANGUAGE AND I'M SORRY, MR. CHAIRMAN, JUST, YOU KNOW, HE -- I TOLD HIM, YOU KNOW THEY MIGHT SEPARATE YOU FROM YOUR CHILD, HE SAID, NO, NO, NO, NO, THAT CAN'T HAPPEN AND I SAID BUT THAT'S THE POLICY RIGHT NOW THAT WE HAVE, YOU MIGHT SEE 14 OR 8-YEAR-OLD DAUGHTER ANYMORE AND I CAN'T SIT BY AND SAY THAT IS OKAY, THE ONE THING WE CAN DO IN THIS CHAMBER WE CAN AGREE TO SEPARATION POLICY NEEDS TO STOP. MORE MONEY TOWARDS SUPPORTING SEPARATION POLICY NEEDS TO STOP, I DON'T WANT AN AGENT TO KILL THEMSELVES, I I DON'T WANT CAREFUL AGENT IN TOP LEVEL, NOT ONE THAT IS AT BORDER, PUT ME AT THE BORDER HE SAID, THAT'S WHERE I BELONG, NOT HERE WITH THESE CHILDREN. THANK YOU, MR. SPEAKER. 15:25:03 THANK YOU VERY MUCH. MR. GREEN. 15:25:07 THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I WANT EVERYBODY TO THINK OF A BUSY EMERGENCY DEPARTMENT, BUSY EMERGENCY DEPARTMENT IN INNER CITY IN A MASSIVE NATURAL DISASTER OCCURS AND THERE ARE HUNDREDS OF PATIENTS NOW FLOODING THAT EMERGENCY DEPARTMENT U THEY ARE TREATING PEOPLE IN HALLWAYS, THEY ARE TREATING PEOPLE IN THE PARKING LOT. IT IS A CRISIS, MASSIVE CRISIS, PATIENTS EVERYWHERE. IT'S NOT THE DOCTOR'S FAULT THAT PATIENTS ARE EVERYWHERE, IT'S NOT THE NURSE'S FAULT THAT THE CRISIS HAS SUDDENLY OVERWHELMED THE EMERGENCY DEPARTMENT AND IT IS RIDICULOUS TO ASSERT THAT. THE PROBLEM IS THAT THE PIPE ISN'T BIG ENOUGH, YOU CAN ONLY FLOW SO MUCH WATER OR SO MANY PATIENTS DURING EMERGENCY DEPARTMENT IF THERE'S 30 BEDS, 40 BEDS AND NOBODY BUILDS EMERGENCY DEPARTMENTS FOR THOUSANDS OF PATIENTS, YOU CAN'T DO THAT WHEN THE CRISIS HAPPENS IT'S NOT THE DOCTOR'S FAULT. IT'S NOT THE NURSE'S FAULT, IT IS THE DIAMETER OF THE PIPELINE. WELL, HOW DO YOU GET THE PIPELINE TO HAVE A BIGGER DIAMETER? YOU HAVE TO HAVE MORE BEDS, YOU TO HAVE MORE SPACE, YOU HAVE TO HAVE MORE MONEY. SO FOR MONTHS WE HAVE BEEN ASKING FOR BUDGET AND PEOPLE SITTING ON THE COMMITTEE WHO VOTED AGAINST MONEY TO GO TO THE PROBLEM, IN FACT, SOME PEOPLE WANT TO CLOSE THE DEPARTMENT OF HOMELAND SECURITY ENTIRELY, YET AT THE SAME TIME SCREAMINGLY NEED MORE RESOURCES ON THE BORDER. HOW -- HOW RIDICULOUS IS THAT? IT'S THEATRICS, IT'S JUST THEATRICS, THAT'S ALL IT IS. IN 1960's, THE PROGRESSIVE LIBERALS CALLED OUR SOLDIERS BABY KILLERS, REMEMBER THAT? THEY CAME HOME FROM VIETNAM AND WERE SPAT ON AND NOW CBP IS BEING CALLED NAZI CONCENTRATION CAMP OPERATORS U -- HOW INSANE IS THAT AND RIDICULOUS AND DARK DAY IN AMERICA WHEN WE CALLED OUR SOLDIERS BABY KILLERS WHEN IN FACT, THEY WERE JUST DOING WHAT THE COUNTRY HAD ASKED THEM TO DO. THEATRICS. LET ME BEGIN BY SETTING THE RECORD STRAIGHT, THIS NOTION THAT REPUBLICANS AND CONSERVATIVES ARE SOMEHOW UNCONCERNED ABOUT THE PLIGHT OF PEOPLE IS JUST WRONG AND UNFAIR. I RAN TWO FREE HEALTH CARE CLINICS IN TENNESSEE OUT OF MY OWN POCKET AND WE GET PROGRESSIVE LIBERALS SAYING WE NEED MORE TAXES TO TAKE CARE OF MORE PEOPLE, I SAY COME VOLUNTEER IN THE CLINIC, IF YOU REALLY CARE, YOU KNOW HOW MANY HAVE TAKEN ME UP ON IT IN 4 YEARS, NONE, NOT A SINGLE ONE HAS COME AND VOLUNTEERED IN MY FREE HEALTHCARE CLINICS. WHILE I'VE OFFERED IT AND OFFERED IT, THEATRICS. AS POLITICO REPORTED IN AN ARTICLE LAST MONTH, U.S. BORDER PATROL APPREHENDED NEARLY 85,000 FAMILY MEMBERS IN MAY, 44% INCREASE OVER THE PRIOR MONTH, HISTORIC HIGH FOR COMPARISON THE BORDER PATROL APPREHENDED 107,000 FAMILY MEMBERS IN ALL OF 2018. WE'VE HAD A NATURAL DISASTER AND THE ER IS OVERWHELMED, THEY NEED RESOURCES, THEY NEED CONGRESS TO DO OUR JOB. WHAT DOES THE LEFT WANT TO DO? 15:29:04 LET'S -- WE DIDN'T ACKNOWLEDGE THAT THERE WAS A CRISIS WHEN WE PROBABLY SHOULD HAVE, SO LET'S JUST BLAME PRESIDENT TRUMP, WE WILL SAY HE'S THE ONE PUTTING THESE KIDS IN CAGES, OH, WAIT, THAT PICTURE WAS FROM 2015U OBAMA WAS PRESIDENT, RIGHT. RETRIED TO PLAY IT OFF AND NOW WE'VE BEEN CAUGHT, OH, LET'S JUST BLAME THE PRESIDENT. THEATRICS. LISTEN, IT'S TIME FOR CONGRESS TO DO ITS JOB AND GET THE RESOURCES TO THESE MEN AND WOMEN WHO ARE ON THE BORDER TAKING CARE OF THIS CRISIS. MR. CHAIRMAN, I THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SHARE MY PERSPECTIVE AND I YIELD MY TIME BACK. 15:29:53 BEFORE I DO GLOBAL MARKET ACTION OVERNIGHT TO MS. ALEXANDRIA OCASIO-CORTEZ, LET ME SAY THAT BOTH SIDES ON THE AISLE I THINK WE NEED TO BE CAREFUL ABOUT HOW WE TALK ABOUT THE MOTIVES ABOUT COLLEAGUES. I BELIEVE THAT EVERYONE IS OPERATING IN GOOD FAITH AND I JUST WANT US TO BE HAVE CAREFUL WITH THAT. WITH THAT, MS. OCASIO-CORTEZ. 15:30:23 THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. EARLIER MY COLLEAGUE FROM MARYLAND, ASKED THE PANEL HOW MANY PEOPLE HERE BELIEVED THAT CHILD SEPARATION IS AN EFFECTIVE POLICY IN DETERRING AND NO ONE ON THE PANEL RAISED THEIR HAND. I JUST WANTED TO NOTE THAT FOR THE RECORD, MR. CHAIR. I WANTED TO ASK A REQUEST FROM PROFESSOR, IS THE UNITED STATES VIOLATING OR VIOLATED HUMAN RIGHTS AGREEMENTS SET BY THE UNITED NATIONS IN A FAMILY SEPARATION POLICY? 15:31:02 YES. INTERNATIONAL LAW IS CLEAR THAT FAMILY UNITY SHOULD BE PRIORITIZE. 15:31:10 SO WE AS MEMBERS OF UNITED NATIONS SIGNED ON THAT FAMILY SEPARATION IS VIOLATION OF HUMAN RIGHTS AND THAT VIOLATES HUMAN RIGHTS. YOU KNOW, MR. CHAIR, I WAS LOOKING HOW HOW DID WE GET TO THIS POINT, HOW DID WE GET TO THIS POINT WHERE WE TAKE CHILDREN OUT OF MOTHERS AND FATHERS' ARMS. YOU KNOW, IT DATED BACK -- FAMILY SEPARATION THE WAY THAT WE HAVE SEEN IT, TAKE CHILDREN AWAY FROM THEIR PARENTS WITHOUT DUE PROCESS BEGAN LAST YEAR UNDER SECRETARY KIRSTJEN NIELSEN BUT I HAVE TO DIG FURTHER AND OUR STAFF DUG FURTHER, BUT WHERE DID THIS START WITHIN THE ADMINISTRATION SHE IMPLEMENTED AND WE FOUND A MEMO DATES BACK TO APRIL 23RD OF 201 WHERE THERE WAS AN OFFICIAL RECOMMENDATION TO, QUOTE, PURSUE PROSECUTION OF ALL AMENABLE ADULTS WHO CROSSED OUR BORDER, QUOTE, ILLEGALLY EVEN THOUGH THIS APPLIED TO LEGAM ASYLUM SEEKERS AND PRACTICE INCLUDING THOSE PREVENTING WITH FAMILY UNIT BETWEEN PORTS OF ENTRY IN COORDINATION WITH DOJ. HERE IS THE MEMO THAT I WOULD LIKE TO SUBMIT TO CONGRESSIONAL RECORD. 15:32:31 WHAT'S THE DATE OF THAT? 15:32:32 MEMORANDUM FOR THE SECRETARY FROM HOMELAND SECURITY. 15:32:37 DATE. 15:32:39 APRIL 23RD, 2018, INCREASING PROSECUTIONS. 15:32:43 WITHOUT OBJECTION. 15:32:45 AND SO I LOOKED AT THIS MEMO AND IT SEEMS LIKE THIS THE SOURCE OF IT AND IT SEEMS AS THOUGH, MR. HOMAN, YOU ARE THE AUTHOR. IT SAYS FROM YOURSELF, KEVIN M MACALEENAN. 15:33:11 I HAVE TO SEE -- 15:33:12 I WOULD BE HAPPY TO PROVIDE. I WILL PROVIDE IT OVER HERE THE OFFICIAL RECOMMENDATION, THERE WAS 3 DIFFERENT OPTIONS PREVENTED, THE THIRD INCLUDED THE OPTION FOR FAMILY SEPARATION, THIS EFFICIENTIVE WOULD PURSUE PROSECUTION OF ALL AMENABLE ADULTS INCLUDING THOSE PRESENTED WITH FAMILY UNIT. MR. HOMAN, YOUR NAME IS ON THIS, CORRECT? 15:33:38 YES, I SENT THE MEMO. 15:33:40 SO YOU ARE THE AUTHOR OF THE FAMILY SEPARATION POLICY? 15:33:43 I'M NOT THE AUTHOR OF THE MEMO. 15:33:46 YOU SIGNED THE MEMO? 15:33:48 YES. ZERO TOLERANCE MEMO. 15:33:52 SO YOU PROVIDED THE OFFICIAL RECOMMENDATION TO SECRETARY NIELSEN ON FAMILY -- 15:33:57 I GAVE SECRETARY NUMEROUS RECOMMENDATIONS ON HOW TO SECURE THE BORDER AND SAVE LIVES. 15:34:04 YOU GAVE HER NUMEROUS ACTIONS BUT THE RECOMMEND WAS OPTION 3, FAMILY SEPARATION. 15:34:09 I UNDERSTAND THIS IS NOT THE ONLY PAPER WHERE WE WERE GIVEN TO SECRETARY, OPTIONS TO SECURE THE BORDER AND SAVE LIVES. 15:34:16 AND SO THE RECOMMENDATION OF THE MANY THAT YOU RECOMMENDED, YOU RECOMMENDED FAMILY SEPARATION? 15:34:22 I RECOMMENDED ZERO TOLERANCE. 15:34:24 WHICH INCLUDES FAMILY SEPARATION? 15:34:26 SAME AS IS WITH EVERY U.S. CITIZEN PARENT GETS ARRESTED WITH A CHILD. 15:34:35 ZERO TOLERANCE WAS INTERPRETED AS THE POLICY THAT SEPARATED -- 15:34:37 IF I GET ARRESTED FOR DUI AND I HAVE A YOUNG CHILD I WILL BE SEPARATED. WHEN I WAS POLICE OFFICER IN NEW YORK, THERE WAS A CHILD -- 15:34:48 MR. HOMAN, LEGAL ASYLEE ARE NOT CHARGED WITH ANY CRIME. 15:34:56 ENTERING THE COUNTRY -- 15:34:57 SEEKING ASYLUM IS LEGAL. 15:35:02 YOU WANT TO SEEK ASYLUM GO TO PORT OF ENTRY AND DO LEGAL WAY. THE ATTORNEY GENERAL HAS MADE THAT CLEAR. 15:35:09 OKAY, MR. CHAIR, THE MEMO IS SUBMITTED TO THE RECORD FOR REVIEW. INSPECTOR GENERAL COSTELLO, ONE LAST THING, IS THERE A RECORD BASED ON REPORTS THROUGHOUT THE YEAR THERE WAS WE SPOKE WITH MS. JUAREZ, MOTHER WHO LOST CHILD, THERE'S NO ACCURATE RECORD AND NO POLICY BEING HELD OF PEOPLE WHO ARE PREGNANT AND PEOPLE WHO ENDURE MISCARRIAGES. IS THERE A RECORD OF WHO ENTERS FACILITIES? 15:35:46 I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH THE INSTANCE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT BUT I DO BELIEVE THE FAMILIES KEEP CUSTODY LAWS, SO I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH THE INCIDENT THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. 15:35:57 WHERE WILL YOU FIND RECORDS? 15:35:59 I BELIEVE ALL FACILITIES KEEP THEM ON SITE, CBP AND ICE FACILITIES. 15:36:05 IF YOU BELIEVE RECORDS ARE NOT -- QUESTION FIND THAT RECORDS ARE NOT ACCESSIBLE DO YOU BELIEVE COMMITTEE SHOULD SEEK OF LOCATION OF CHILDREN AND THOSE WHO ARE DETAINED? 15:36:16 WELL, WE WOULD NEVER OPINE WHAT THE COMMITTEE WOULD ASK AND NOT REQUEST. 15:36:22 THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 15:36:27 THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 15:36:33 THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. HOME TO 40% OF RESIDENTS ARE IMMIGRANTS AND TODAY THOSE RESIDENTS, THOSE FAMILIES ARE LIVING IN CONSTANT FEAR AT THE HANDS OF THIS ADMINISTRATION, FUNDAMENTALLY BROKEN IMMIGRATION SYSTEM HAS BEEN WEPONIZED, ON WEDNESDAY WE HEARD HEARTBREAKING TESTIMONY FROM JASMINE WHO LOST 19-MONTH-OLD BABY GIRL AFTER PLEADING TO PROVIDE MEDICAL CARE OR MEDICINE, I HAVE NO SHORTAGE OF FURY FOR THIS INJUSTICE, THIS TIME I WOULD LIKE TO INSTEAD TRYING TO FOCUS ON SAVING A LIFE. MR. HOMAN, I AGREE WITH YOU THERE'S BEEN MUCH TOO MUCH AND IN THAT VAIN I WANT TO ENLIST YOUR PARTNERSHIP, THE PARTNERSHIP IN SAVING THE LIVES. RIGHT NOW ICE IS DEPRIVING ASYLUM SEEKER MARIANA OF ADEQUATE MEDICAL CARE, MARIANA IS BEING HELD IN LAREDO, TEXAS, PRIVATE FOR PROFIT DETENTION FACILITY, 5 AND 7-YEAR-OLD BABIES SEPARATED FROM HER AND SENT THOUSANDS OF MILES AWAY TO CHICAGO, A DOCTOR AT THE DETENTION CENTER SAID SHE'S AT RISK FOR HYSTERECTOMY IF SHE'S NOT RELEASED AND RECEIVE PROPER MEDICAL ATTENTION. BY NOTIFYING OF SERIOUS MEDICAL CONDITION THEY REFUSED TO OFFER ADEQUATE CARE, EARLIER THIS WEEK MARIANA LOST CONSCIOUSNESS, LAWYERS AND FAMILIES ARE DESPERATE TO GET HER MEDICAL CARE. MR. HOMAN IN YOUR EXPERT VIEW CAN YOU INSTRUCT AND ADVICE ME HOW TO E LIVATE MARIANA'S CASE AND ENSURE SHE GETS THE MED -- MEDICAL CARE YOU NEED. 15:38:39 LET ME BE CLEAR ABOUT THE CASE TALKED ABOUT YESTERDAY, I REMEMBER THAT CASE. 15:38:53 THE MOTHER DIDN'T GO TO 2 OF THEM. 15:38:55 I'M TRYING TO MAKE A STATEMENT -- 15:38:56 WE CAN ALL AGREE THAT IT WAS A TRAGEDY THAT THAT BABY DIED, OKAY, I DON'T WANT -- I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT THE PAST, I'M TALKING ABOUT THE PRESENT AND WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO SAVE A LIFE AND I'M ASKING YOU IN YOUR EXPERT OPINION WHAT SHOULD BE DONE AND HOW CAN WE ELEVATE -- 15:39:16 I AM NOT GOING TO LET COMMENTS STAND WITHOUT RESPONSE. THIS IS ABOUT TRANSPARENCY TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE, IS IT NOT? 15:39:27 MR. HOMAN -- [INAUDIBLE] 15:39:27 HOLD HOLD UP. WAIT A MINUTE. WAIT A MINUTE. LET ME MAKE YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT'S GOING ON HERE. WE ARE TALKING ABOUT TWO CASES IS THAT -- IS THAT RIGHT? 15:39:43 YES. I WAS REFERENCING THE TRAGEDY OF A BABY THAT WE'VE ALREADY LOST. 15:39:49 RIGHT. 15:39:50 THERE'S A WOMAN IN CARE RIGHT NOW -- 15:39:51 YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT -- OKAY. I WANT TO MAKE SURE I WAS CLEAR. 15:39:56 I'M JUST SEEKING HIS EXPERT COUNSEL ON WHAT IS THE PROCEDURE AND WHAT CAN BE DONE TO ELEVATE THIS WOMAN'S CASE TO GET HER THE MEDICAL ATTENTION THAT THE DETENTION DOCTORS HAVE SAID ARE ESSENTIAL TO KEEPING HER HEALTHY AND ALIVE. 15:40:10 VERY WELL, LET ME ASK YOU REAL QUICK, SO -- TELL WHAT YOU SAY YOU CAN DO TOO TO HELP IN THAT INFORMATION, SIR. 15:40:22 TO MAKE A STATEMENT ABOUT A BABY THAT DIDN'T -- 15:40:24 RECLAIMING MY TIME. [INAUDIBLE CONVERSATIONS] 15:40:32 HEARING FOR TRANSPARENCY PEOPLE OR NOT? 15:40:34 MR. HOMAN, I'M NOT REVISITING THE PAST. 15:40:36 OF COURSE NOT. 15:40:39 I SAID IT WAS A TRAGEDY AND WE CAN ALL AGREE THERE HAVE BEEN FAR TOO MANY TRAGEDIES, YOU SAID THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF DEATHS, LET'S STOP THE DEATHS. 15:40:45 YOU CAN'T BLAME THE FIRST DATE ON ICE. 15:40:48 TO SAVE A WOMAN'S LIFE. 15:40:52 CONTACT -- CONTACT ICE DIRECTOR -- 15:40:53 RECLAIM ON THE TIME AND IN YOUR EXPERT OPINION WHERE A PERSON LOSES CONSCIOUSNESS IN CUSTODY AND SEPARATED FROM HER BABY FOR MONTHS, HOW DOES A MEMBER OF THE UNITED STATES CONGRESS GET AN ANSWER ABOUT HER CASE FROM ICE? 15:41:07 I WILL MAKE AN URGENT PHONE CALL IF THAT'S FACTS ARE ACCURATE, I WILL MAKE URGENT PHONE CALL TO ACTING DIRECTOR MATT, SPENT NEARLY HALF A BILLION DOLLARS IN FACILITIES, I'M SURE ALL THE FACTS THAT PRESENTED AREN'T THE FACTS. 15:41:23 RECLAIMING MY TIME, WHAT DOES IT TAKE TO ELEVATE A CARE TO ENSURE A WOMAN RECEIVES MEDICAL CARE? 15:41:31 SO OBVIOUSLY YOU CAN CONTACT MY OFFICE AND ISSUE COMPLAINT THROUGH HOTLINE, YOU CAN SEND A LETTER THROUGH US BUT AS MR. HOMAN -- 15:41:39 RECLAIMING. INDIVIDUALS HAVE ACCESS TO HEALTHCARE SPECIALISTS AND OUTSIDE CARE? 15:41:45 WE DO PERIODIC UNANNOUNCED INSPECTIONS AT BOTH CBP AND ICE FACILITIES AND COMPARE THE SITUATIONS WE OBSERVED AGAINST EITHER THE TED STANDARDS OR STANDARDS FOR ICE FACILITIES AND WHEN WE IDENTIFY ISSUES OF GRAVE CONCERN WE REPORT ON THEM AND WE NOTIFY ICE AS PART OF THAT PROCESS. 15:42:07 AND SINCE -- SINCE SEPTEMBER 2018, AT LEAST 7 IMMIGRANT CHILDREN HAVE DIED WHILE OR AFTER BEING IN FEDERAL IMMIGRATION CUSTODY. BASE AND WHAT YOUR OFFICE HAS SEEN AND REPORTED ON, DO YOU HAVE ANY CONCERNS OF CONDITIONS OF DETENTION CENTERS AT THE BORDER CAN LEAD TO MORE DEATHS? 15:42:22 THE GENERAL LADY'S TIME HAS EXPIRED BUT YOU MAY ANSWER THE QUESTION, GO AHEAD. 15:42:29 BASED ON WHAT WE REPORTED, WE ARE GRAVELY CONCERNED ABOUT CONDITIONS IN CBP FACILITIES AT THE BORDER AND CONCERNED THAT IT COULD LEAD ADDITIONAL SECURITY INCIDENTS AND OBVIOUSLY HIGH-RISK OF DISEASE. 15:42:45 THANK YOU VERY MUCH. MR. HOMAN, I CAN'T SIT HERE AS A MEMBER OF CONGRESS AND HEAR ABOUT SOMEBODY POSSIBLY DYING AND NOT DO WHAT I CAN DO SAVE THEM. I THINK WE ALL FEEL THE SAME WAY ON BOTH SIDES OF THE AISLE. I'M NOT -- I'M NOT KNOCKING YOU, I'M GLAD THAT YOU HAVE AGREED AS SOON AS THIS HEARING IS OVER TO MAKE THAT PHONE CALL BECAUSE WE DO WANT TO SAVE EVERY LIFE THAT WE POSSIBLY CAN. 15:43:12 IF YOU CAN PROVIDE ME THE INFORMATION I WILL MAKE THE PHONE CALL. 15:43:15 HER STAFF WILL GET IT TO YOU BEFORE YOU -- BEFORE WE LEAVE, ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. TO YOU MS. COSTELLO, I'M SURE THAT HE WILL BE IN TOUCH WITH YOU AND DO ALL YOU CAN TO HELP US OUT, ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH, I REALLY APPRECIATE ALL OF THAT. NOW, WE WILL MOVE ONTO MR. CLAY. 15:43:40 THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MS. COSTELLO, IN RESPONSE TO MEDIA REPORTS A CBP SPOKESPERSON SAID AND I QUOTE, IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT THE ALLEGATIONS OF A SEXUAL ASSAULT IS ALREADY UNDER INVESTIGATION BY THE DEPARTMENT OF HOMELAND SECURITIES OFFICE, CAN YOU CONFIRM AND SHARE ANY DETAILS ABOUT THE SCOPE OF THE INVESTIGATION? 15:44:10 YES, SIR. TYPICALLY WE WOULD NEVER CONFIRM OR DENY THE EXISTENCE OF INVESTIGATION TO PROTECT THE INTEGRITY OF THE INVESTIGATION, BUT SINCE CBP HAS ALREADY CONFIRMED THAT WE ARE INVESTIGATING THAT ALLEGATIONS THAT CAME OUT OF YUMA, I WILL CONFIRM FOR YOU TODAY THAT WE ARE BUT I CAN'T SHARE ANY DETAILS WITH YOU ABOUT OUR ACTIVITY. 15:44:28 HAS ANY DISCIPLINARY ACTION BEEN TAKEN? 15:44:33 WE JUST OPENED THE CASE, WE JUST RECEIVED THE ALLEGATION AT THE END OF THE JUNE SO WE ARE IN INITIAL STAGES OF THE CASE. 15:44:40 THAT'S THE ONE WITH THE 15-YEAR-OLD FROM HONDURAS? 15:44:44 I BELIEVE -- THE ALLEGATION YOU'RE REFERRING TO COMING OUT OF YUMA. 15:44:50 LET ME ASK, YOU HEARD SEXUAL ASSAULT OR HARASSMENT OF DETAINEES AT BORDER FACILITIES? 15:45:04 LAST MONTH WHEN I WAS IN CLINT, CHILDREN REPORT TODAY ME THAT OFFICERS WERE -- HAD PUSHED CHILDREN WHO NEED TODAY USE THE BATHROOM AND PREVENTED THEM FROM USING THE TOILET WHEN THEY NEEDED TO, 3 CHILDREN REPORTED TO ME THAT A CHILD HAD BEEN GRABBED BY THE BACK OF HIS NECK AND HAD BEEN PULLED OUT OF HIS CAGE. OTHER CHILDREN CONSISTENTLY REPORTED THAT GUARDS YELLED AT THEM AND THE CHILDREN WERE TERRIFIED AND SO TERRIFIED AT THE GUARDS THAT THEY COULDN'T EVEN BRING THEMSELVES TO ASK FOR MORE FOOD, NOW, THAT SAID, I ALSO HEARD ABOUT ONE GUARD WHO WAS KIND WITH THE CHILDREN AND WHO GAVE THE LITTLE ONES AN EXTRA CHOCOLATE PUDDING WHEN HE WAS ABLE TO. 15:45:54 THANK YOU. MS. NAGDA. 15:46:00 REPRESENTATIVE U WE START IN THE POSITION WHEN CHILDREN TALK TO US AND CHOSE TO DISCLOSE, WHAT WE FIND THE CHILDREN DO NOT TELL STORIES IN VERY LINEAR WAYS THE WAY IN WHICH ADULT HAS FULLY DEVELOPED MIGHT TELL THE STORY SO WE DO HEAR A LOT OF STORIES FROM CHILDREN ABOUT TRAUMA AND VIOLENCE THAT THEY HAVE EXPERIENCED AND BOTH IN HOME COUNTRY AND AS THEY ARRIVE AT THE BORDER. 15:46:26 AND IN THESE FACILITIES, WHAT IMPACT MIGHT THAT HAVE ON THOSE CHILDREN. WHAT KIND OF PSYCHOLOGICAL EFFECT. 15:46:38 SO I THINK WHAT IS UNDISPUTED REPRESENTATIVE, WHAT IS CAUSING FAMILIES TO FLEE AND CAUSING CHILDREN TO FLEE IS EXTRAORDINARY VIOLENCE IN HOME COUNTRIES, VERY DIFFERENT DEPENDING ON THE COUNTRY, IT IS DIFFERENT DEPENDING ON THE REGION, IT MAY BE VIOLENCE PERPETRATED BY GANG, DOMESTIC VIOLENCE, CHILDREN MAY BE COMING FROM COUNTRIES WHERE THERE'S NO RESOURCES LIKE WE MIGHT HAVE HERE IN THE UNITED STATES TO ADDRESS THE SITUATIONS OF DOMESTIC OR COMMUNITY VIOLENCE, BUT THE POINT IS THEY HAVE EXPERIENCED EXTRAORDINARY TRAUMA BEFORE THEY MAKE THAT MIGRATION JOURNEY AND THEN THEY TAKE THE MIGRATION JOURNEY AND EXPERIENCE IN MANY CASES ADDITIONAL TRAUMA AND THEN THEY ARRIVE AT THE UNITED STATES AND ARE PLACED IN DETENTION AND THOUGH I'M NOT A MEDICAL EXPERT, IT IS MY UNDERSTANDING THAT WHAT THEY ARE EXPERIENCING AT THAT POINT SOMETHING CALLED COMPLEX TRAUMA THAT COMPOUNDS WHAT THAT IS EXPERIENCING, LIMIT DEVELOPMENT AND CERTAINLY AFFECT THEIR ABILITY TO TELL THEIR STORIES WHICH IS WHY THE IDEA OF RUSHING CHILDREN THROUGH IMMIGRATION PROCEEDINGS OR KEEPING THEM LOCKED UP THROUGH THEIR COURT DATE IS REALLY A HORRIFYING ONE FOR ANYONE WHO WORKS WITH CHILDREN WHO UNDERSTANDS THAT THAT IS NOT AN ENVIRONMENT IN WHICH A CHILD WILL EVER BE ABLE TO TELL THEIR STORY IN A WAY THAT ALLOW US TO UNDERSTAND WHAT IS HAPPENING AND MAKE FAIR DECISION. 15:47:54 ALL OF THIS IS EXTREMELY DISTURBING, ONE TO HAVE CLIENTS STATED THAT THE WATER TASTED LIKE CHLORINE, THE CLIENT DISCLOSED THAT THERE WERE ABOUT 30 MINORS IN THE DETENTION CENTER AS WELL. THE OTHER MINORS STARTED TO COMPLAIN ABOUT THE FOOD AND WATER THAT WAS -- THAT WAS PROVIDED TO THEM AND THE CLIENT STATED THAT THE MINOR STARTED PROTESTING ABOUT IT AND BECAUSE OF IT THE OFFICERS TOOK OUT ALL OF THE SLEEPING MATS, ARE YOU FAMILIAR WITH OTHER INSTANCES OF RETALIATION LIKE THAT? 15:48:32 WHEN WE WENT TO CLINT WE TALKED TO A GIRL THAT WAS IN A CELL WITH ABOUT 10 TO 20 OTHER GIRLS WHO WERE VERY YOUNG AND THE NURSE WAS BRINGING IN TWO LICE COMBS SO ALL GIRLS COULD SHARE LICE COMBS WHICH IS EXACTLY THE OPPOSITE OF WHAT YOU SHOULD DO WHEN YOU HAVE LICE AND SOMETIME LATER A GUARD CAME BACK TO GET THE TWO LICE COMBS BACK, ONE OF THE LICE COMBS WAS MISSING IN RETALIATION AS PUNISHMENT FOR LOSING A LICE COMBS EVERY NAPKIN WAS TAKEN FROM THE ROOM AND THE GIRLS HAD TO SLEEP IN CEMENT FLOOR. 15:49:14 THAT'S NOTHING BUT PURE EVIL AND MY TIME IS UP, MR. CHAIRMAN. 15:49:19 THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 15:49:22 THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. CHAIRMAN. VERY IMPORTANT TO LAY OUT PARTICULARITY WHAT HAS BEEN HAPPENING. I NOTE THAT WE PASSED VERY CONTROVERSIAL APPROPRIATION BUT AT LEAST IT GOT SOME MONEY INTO THE PIPELINE, AS CONTROVERSIAL AS IT WAS, WITH DEMOCRATS CONTROLLED THE HOUSE HAD WE ALLOWED THE SESSION TO GO ON RECESS WITH NO MORE MONEY ON THE BORDER, THEN THE BLAME WOULD HAVE BEEN MORE THAN WHAT IT ALREADY IS, BOTH SIDES HAVE TO TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR WHAT IS HAPPENING ON THAT BORDER AND I CERTAINLY THINK THAT THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION SHOULD NOT GET AWAY WITH BLAMING THE CONGRESS ENTIRELY ON -- ON -- BLAMING THE PROBLEM ENTIRELY ON CONGRESS, CONGRESS HAD JUST TAKEN OVER SO OBVIOUSLY THERE'S A LOT OF BLAME THAT COULD BE CAST. I WANT TO LOOK AT THE ADMINISTRATION'S ZERO TOLERANCE POLICY THAT FORCED THE SEPARATION OF 2800 CHILDREN THAT WE ARE STILL HEARING AND STILL LIVING WITH AND LED TO OVERCROWDING AND NOBODY WOULD WANT TO JUSTIFY. WITH THAT DECISION TO SEPARATE CHILDREN REQUIRED BY LAW -- 15:50:49 ABSOLUTELY NOT, ABSOLUTELY NOT. 15:50:54 THAT HAD TO HAVE BEEN MADE AT THE ADMINISTRATION'S LEVEL? 15:50:56 YES, THE FEDERAL COURT HAS HELD THAT IT IS UNCONSTITUTIONAL TO SEPARATE CHILDREN FROM THEIR FAMILIES FOR DETERRENCE PURPOSES, THE FIFTH AMENDMENT OF THE UNITED STATES CONSTITUTION PROTECTS FAMILY INTEGRITY. 15:51:12 NOT ONLY NOT REQUIRED BUT LAW BUT UNCONSTITUTIONAL AS IT HAPPENED. NOW, IT SHOULD BE CLEAR THAT THAT POLICY OVERLOADED THE -- THE SYSTEM. ONE OF MY FRIENDS ON THE OTHER SIDE TALKED ABOUT WHAT WHAT -- WHAT HAPPENS WHEN EMERGENCY DEPARTMENT IS OVERLOADED. LET ME LOOK AT ALTERNATIVES THAT WERE AVAILABLE, APPARENTLY THIS ADMINISTRATION DID PERMIT THE RELEASE OF IMMIGRANT FAMILIES, THE DATA I'M GIVEN IS JUNE 2017 AND THEY HAD TO REPORT INTO ICE AND FREQUENTLY CHECK IN, NOT UNTIL THIS YEAR I LEARNED THAT THERE WAS 99% SUCCESS RATE, WE FINALLY GOT SUCCESS ON SOMETHING WE DIDN'T ALL GRAB IT AND SAID THANK GOODNESS LET'S GO FROM THERE. LOOK, I BET WE DON'T HAVE 99% SUCCESS RATE WHEN WE DO BAILS FOR CRIMINALS IN OUR OWN CRIMINAL JUSTICE SYSTEM. WHY IN THE WORLD DID THAT END, WHAT DECISION -- WHAT EFFECT -- WHY DID IT END, WHAT EFFECT DOES THAT HAVE ON IMMIGRANT CHILDREN -- SEPARATING IMMIGRANT CHILDREN FROM THEIR FAMILIES? 15:52:44 THANK YOU REPRESENTATIVE, I CAN'T SPEAK TO WHY THE PROGRAM ENDED. I DO KNOW THAT WHEN THE PROGRAM ENDED WE LOST A VERY EFFECTIVE TOOL THAT ALLOWED INDIVIDUALS TO LIVE IN THE COMMUNITY TOGETHER TO FIND ATTORNEYS AND WE DO KNOW THAT WHEN FAMILIES AND CHILDREN HAVE COUNSEL THEY APPEAR AT THEIR HEARINGS, THEY PARTICIPATE IN CASES. 15:53:05 IT'S ALMOST LIKE THEY ARE AFRAID NOT TO APPEAR, THAT YOU KNOW, THEY ALREADY WERE AFRAID AT THE BORED AND THEN IF YOU GET HERE AND DON'T APPEAR AND YOU HAVE THE FULL FORCE OF LAW THAT YOU CAN UNDERSTAND INTIMIDATION THAT I BETTER GO, I BETTER GO, I BETTER GO THERE. I WAS INTERESTED, I HAD MY STAFF -- PLEASE EXPLAIN THIS TO ME, DHS INSPECTOR SYSTEM ISSUED A REPORT THAT FOUND THAT METERING MAY HAVE LED TO ADDITIONAL BORDER CROSSINGS. WE ARE TRYING TO CUT DOWN ON BORDER CROSSINGS BUT APPARENTLY METERING, I FOUND OUT, WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? LIMITS THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE WHO CAN ASK ASYLUM AT THE BORDER, COULD YOU TELL ME HOW THAT -- HOW DID THAT PROVE -- HAVE THE OPPOSITE EFFECT TO FROM WHAT WAS DESIGNED? 15:54:04 I WAS IN TIJUANA EARLIER THIS YEAR AND I WITNESSED FIRSTHAND THE PROBLEMS WITH METERING SYSTEM. 15:54:11 EXPLAIN -- EXPLAIN METERING. SOUNDS LIKE JARGON TO US. 15:54:18 THOUSANDS OF ASYLUM SEEKERS WHO WANT TO PRESENT THEMSELVES LAWFULLY AT PORT OF ENTRY, CBP OFFICERS WORK, THEY WANT TO GO TO CBP OFFICERS AND REQUEST ASYLUM, THE UNITED STATES HAS BLOCKED OFF PORTS OF ENTRY THROUGHOUT SOUTHERN BORDER AND LIMITS THE NUMBER OF ASYLUM SEEKERS WHO CAN ENTER THE COUNTRY EVERY DAY. THE FIRST DAY THAT I GOT TO TIJUANA, ZERO ASYLUM SEEKERS WERE ALLOWED TO CROSS AT THAT PORT OF ENTRY. IN SUBSEQUENT DAYS, I SAW THE NUMBERS GO UP TO 40 ASYLUM SEEKERS, 60 ASYLUM SEEKERS AND THAT IS WHAT IS HELPING TO CONTRIBUTE TO MASSIVE PROBLEMS ON THE SOUTHERN SIDE OF THE U.S. BORDER. 15:55:02 UNLAWFUL BORDER CROSSINGS? 15:55:06 EXACTLY. 15:55:07 THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. CHAIRMAN. 15:55:09 THANK YOU, MR. GARCIA, WELCOME TO OUR COMMITTEE. 15:55:11 THANK YOU SO MUCH, MR. CHAIRMAN, I'M VERY GRATEFUL FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO PARTICIPATE AS PART OF THIS PANEL ASKING QUESTIONS OF THE WITNESSES TODAY. I'D LIKE TO JUST REMIND EVERYONE OF A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT IT WAS THE THEN CHIEF LAW ENFORCEMENT OF THE LAND JEFF SESSIONS WHO INTRODUCED ZERO TOLERANCE POLICY, THAT WAS THE MESSAGE THAT THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION WANTED TO SEND TO THE WORLD, AND IT WAS THAT ANNOUNCEMENT THAT LED TO THE PECKING ORDER OF OTHER FUNCTIONARIES WITHIN THE ADMINISTRATION TO DEVELOP WHAT IS LAYED OUT IN THE MEMO PREVIOUSLY MENTIONED, THAT MR. HOMAN AND OTHERS SIGNED ONTO, THEY WERE RESPONSIBLE FOR OPERATION OF ZERO TOLERANCE POLICY, THAT IS AT THE ROOT OF FAMILY SEPARATION THAT WE HAVE COME TO KNOW AND MANY OF THE HORROR STORIES THAT WE HAVE HEARD HERE THIS AFTERNOON. MS. COSTELLO, THE INSPECTOR GENERAL'S OFFICE THAT YOU HAD REPORTED THAT SOME OF THE MOST ATROCIOUS AND INHUMANE CONDITIONS THAT OUR COUNTRY HAS EVER HEARD OF AND WITNESSED AT THE BORDER HAVE TAKEN PLACE, TO YOUR KNOWLEDGE, MS. COSTELLO, DID ANY CHILDREN DIE AT THE BORDER DURING THE OBAMA ADMINISTRATION? 15:56:38 I DON'T -- I DON'T HAVE ANY REPORTING OR FACTS ON THAT, SIR. 15:56:41 THANK YOU. I'M DEEPLY CONCERNED BY THE FINDINGS FROM MULTIPLE INDEPENDENT REPORTS THAT THE GOVERNMENT FAILED TO ADEQUATELY TRACK SEPARATED FAMILIES WHICH MADE IT MUCH HARDER TO REUNIFY THEM LATER ON. MS. MAXWELL, JANUARY HHS REPORT, FACED SIGNIFICANT CHALLENGES IN IDENTIFYING SEPARATED CHILDREN INCLUDING LACK OF INTEGRATED DATA SYSTEM TO TRACK FAMILIES ACROSS DHS AND COMPLEXITY OF DETERMINING WHICH CHILDREN SHOULD BE CONSIDERED SEPARATED. WHY WOULD INTEGRATED TRACKING SYSTEM WOULD HAVE BEEN IMPORTANT? 15:57:26 MAKE SURE THAT WE IDENTIFIED THE CHILDREN THAT WERE SEPARATED AND THE PEOPLE AND PARENTS THAT THEY WERE SEPARATED FROM THIS. WE ARE CONCERNED TODAY, THOUGH, WITH ONGOING ISSUES WITH THAT DATA SYSTEM IN PARTICULAR THE QUALITY OF INFORMATION THAT SYSTEM ABOUT CURRENT CHILDREN THAT ARE BEING SEPARATED FROM THEIR PARENTS AND THE REASONS FOR THOSE SEPARATIONS. 15:57:43 WHAT IMPACT DID THE ABSENCE OF A TRACKING SYSTEM HAVE ON THE REUNIFICATION OF SEPARATED CHILDREN? 15:57:50 IT MEANT THAT THE GOVERNMENT HAD TO SPEND SIGNIFICANT TIME JUST IDENTIFYING WHO THOSE CHILDREN WERE, SO IN THE ABSENCE OF A SYSTEM TO TRACK CHILDREN AND THEIR FAMILIES, THE GOVERNMENT FACED AN INTENSIVE EFFORT IN WHICH THEY HAD TO LOOK AT 60 DATABASES ACROSS BOTH PROGRAMS, LOOKED AT 12,000 CASE FILES AND EVEN THEN HAD TO GO TO GET CERTIFICATIONS TO IDENTIFY THE CHILDREN. 15:58:15 AND PRODUCE MORE DELAYS. THESE EGREGIOUS AND CRUEL CONDITIONS AND POLICIES ARE NOT ACCIDENTAL, MR. HOMAN, DURING YOUR TIME AS ICE DIRECTOR, DETERRENCE WAS THE ORDER OF DAY FOR YOU, THE MEMO BEARS THAT OUT EXACTLY WHAT YOU PLANNED FOR, THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION CLAIMED THEY HAD NO CHOICE BUT TO RIP CHILDREN FROM THEIR PARENTS BECAUSE THEY WERE CRIMINALLY PROSECUTING THE PARENTS PURSUANT TO ZERO TOLERANCE POLICY, AGAIN, POLICIES THAT THE ADMINISTRATION CREATED AND THAT YOU, MR. HOMAN, ACCEPTED, ENFORCED AND CHAMPIONED AS WE HAVE SEEN. LET ME REMIND EVERYONE THAT THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION TRIED TO BAN ASYLUM-SEEKING AND STARTED THE PROCESS OF METERING WHICH THEN PREVENTS PEOPLE FROM COMING THROUGH LEGAL PORTS OF ENTRY, THAT EXACERBATED THE CRISIS, PEOPLE ARE WAITING MONTHS JUST TO GET IN LINE AND BE GRANTED THE RIGHTS OF DUE PROCESS, MR. HOMAN, YOU HAVE SAID THAT MOST IMMIGRANTS ARE, QUOTE, NOT CRIMINALS OTHER THAN THE CRIMINAL ACT THAT THEY DO WHEN THEY ENTER THE COUNTRY ILLEGALLY. THAT IS WHY I THINK WE OUGHT TO REVISIT THE CRIMINALIZING DESPERATION, STRIKING SECTIONS 1325 AND 1326 OF TITLE A OF THE U.S. CODE, THE STATUTE THAT IS THE ADMINISTRATION HAS LEVERAGED TO SEPARATE THOUSANDS OF CHILDREN FROM THE FAMILIES, MR. HOMAN, DO YOU UNDERSTAND THAT THE CONSEQUENCES OF SEPARATION OF MANY CHILDREN WILL BE LIFE-LONG TRAUMA AND CARRIED ACROSS GENERATIONS, HAVE WE NOT LEARNED FROM THE JAPANESE AMERICANS, MR. HOMAN, I'M A FATHER, DO YOU HAVE CHILDREN? HOW CAN YOU POSSIBLY ALLOW THAT TO HAPPEN UNDER YOUR WATCH, DO YOU NOT CARE? IS IT BECAUSE THE CHILDREN DON'T LOOK LIKE CHILDREN THAT ARE AROUND YOU, I DON'T GET IT. HAVE YOU EVER HELD A DECEASED CHILD IN YOUR ARMS? 16:00:15 FIRST OF ALL, YOUR COMMENTS ARE DISGUSTING, I'VE SERVED MY COUNTRY -- I'VE SERVED MY COUNTRY 34 YEARS. I'VE SERVED MY COUNTRY 34 YEARS. I'VE HELD A 5-YEAR-OLD BOY, SAID A PRAYER FOR HIM BECAUSE I KNEW WHAT HIS LAST 30 MINUTES WAS LIKE. I HAD A 5-YEAR-OLD SON AT THE TIME. .. .. [INAUDIBLE] THE GENTLEMAN'S TIME HAS EXPIRED. 16:01:04 IT IS MY TIME. THE GENTLEMAN WHIPPED OFF ABOUT SEVEN DIFFERENT QUESTIONS DESIGNED TO GO AFTER CHARACTER OF MR. HOMAN AND HE SHOULD BE GIVEN A CHANCE TO RESPOND. IT WAS RIDICULOUS, THE WAY HE RATTLED THE MOUTH AND WOULD NOT LET HIM RESPOND. 16:01:23 UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT FIRST OF ALL I HAVE CIVILITY IN MY EARS. -- I HAVE THE FLOOR. 16:01:32 I UNDERSTAND AND AGREE. 16:01:38 THAT'S WHY I WAS BANGING SO WE CAN HEAR EACH PERSON SPEAK. I'VE BEEN VERY CURATED CURIOUS. MR. HOMAN DEALS WITH THE TO SAY? 16:01:47 NO ONE IN THIS ROOM HAS SEEN WHAT I'VE SEEN IN MY 34 YEAR CAREER. NO ONE HAS EXPERIENCED WHAT I'VE EXPLAINED. I SAW MANY DEAD BODIES COMING ACROSS THIS BORDER. AND IF YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT THIS MEMO, IT IS ONE OPTION TO STOP THAT. NOT JUST ABOUT ENFORCING LAW, IF YOU WANT TO LEGALIZE IMMIGRATION GOOD LUCK WITHOUT A WILL GET A HELL OF A LOT WORSE. THERE WILL BE NO CONSEQUENCE AND NOBODY WILL BE ABLE TO COME LEGALLY 31% OF WOMEN WOULD BE RAPED AND MORE CHILDREN WILL DIE. FOR A NATION OF LAW, IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT CHANGE IT. YOU'RE THE LEGISLATOR. I'M THE EXECUTIVE BRANCH. I SERVE MY COUNTRY HONORABLY FOR 34 YEARS AND I WILL NOT SAY HERE AND HAVE ANYBODY SAY I DON'T CARE ABOUT CHILDREN BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT THE SAME COLOR AS MY CHILDREN. 16:02:39 THE HEBREW MUCH IT IS MY TIME. I AM NOT AS QUESTIONS YET AND I'M QUITE A FEW. FIRST OF ALL LET ME SAY THIS TO MR. HOMAN. I AM NUMBER AND I'M HOPING -- I LISTEN TO ALL OF THIS AND SOMETIMES I THINK WE PUT ISSUES ON TOP OF ISSUES AND THERE'S QUITE A BIT OF ISSUES FLOATING AROUND. I THINK ALL OF US APPRECIATE BORDER PATROL AND THOSE PEOPLE THAT WORK AROUND FEDERAL GOVERNMENT. I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE TODAY. I THINK I UNDERSTAND WHY YOU GET A LITTLE BIT UPSET. I GET THAT. BUT I ALSO SAY, WE HAVE TO BE, WE NEED TO CONCENTRATE -- I THINK MRS. SAID THAT. ON THE LIVING AND JUST NOT THE DEAD AND ALL THE PROBLEMS BUT WE HAVE TO FIGURE OUT SOME SOLUTIONS AND I THINK YOU PRESENTISM. AND MR. HOMAN FIVE TIMES NOW HAS PRESENTED THREE THINGS THAT HE THOUGHT OUGHT TO BE DONE. AND THAT COULD RESOLVE THIS PROBLEM. BUT YOU SAID SOMETHING THAT IS REALLY BOTHERING ME AND IT MAKES ME THINK YOU SAID IT IS NOT NECESSARILY ABOUT THE MONEY IT IS ABOUT A WILL. I HAVE TWO PIECES OF THAT. I WANT TO TO TALK ABOUT WHETHER MR. HOMAN A MAN WHO HAS BEEN AT HIS JOB OVER 30 YEARS? OVER 30 YEARS. AND DEDICATED FOR PUBLIC SERVICE IN HIS RECOMMENDATIONS. AND I WANT YOU TO ELABORATE ON THE ISSUE OF -- IT DOES NOT HAVE TO BE THIS WAY IN OTHER WORDS YOU WILL GO AHEAD. 16:04:54 THANK YOU. IN TERMS OF HIS RECOMMENDATIONS THEY WILL NOT WORK. THE CHILDREN AND FAMILIES WHO I REPRESENT ARE REFUGEES THEY ARE FLEEING TERRIBLE VIOLENCE IN THEIR COMING TO THE UNITED STATES TO SEEK SAFETY THE UNITED STATES IS NOT THE ONLY COUNTRY IN OUR REGION THAT HAS SEEN AN INCREASE IN REFUGEES AND ASYLUM-SEEKERS AND ALL OF THE COUNTRIES SURROUNDING THE NORTHERN TRIANGLE HAVE SEEN MARKET INCREASES IN THE NUMBER OF ASYLUM-SEEKERS COMING TO THEIR COUNTRIES. WHAT WE NEED IS NOT TO END THE FLUORIDE SETTLEMENT AGREEMENT. WHAT WE NEED IS TO NOT CHANGE THE TRAFFICKING VICTIMS REAUTHORIZATION ACT. THOSE ARE TWO CRITICAL PILLARS THAT PROTECT IMMIGRANT CHILDREN IN FEDERAL CUSTODY. THAT LIMIT THEIR TIME IN CBP FACILITIES TO 72 HOURS AND REQUIRE THAT CHILDREN BE RELEASED TO FAMILY MEMBERS AFTER APPROPRIATE BUDDY AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE AND LET ME OFFER YOU FIVE SOLUTIONS. ONE, LET'S INDEPENDENT DOCTORS INTO THESE FACILITIES. TWO, LET PUBLIC HEALTH EXPERTS INSPECT THESE FACILITIES AND GIVE THEM AUTHORIZATION TO ORDER REMEDIATION. THAT IS WHAT THE COUNCIL AND THE FLORAS CASE SOUGHT TO TWO WEEKS AGO TWO WEEKS AGO.. THE MINISTRATION TO THIS REQUEST WAS NO. THE ADMINISTRATION ARGUED AND I QUOTE THAT THAT WOULD BE A COERCIVE REMEDY. THE THIRD RECOMMENDATION THAT I HAVE IS TO ENSURE THAT PEOPLE ARE NOT IN CBP CUSTODY FOR ANY LONGER THAN 72 HOURS THIS MINISTRATION HAS REFUSED AND FAILED TO PROVIDE PLAINTIFFS CANCEL WITH FLORAS OF HOW LONG CHILDREN ARE BEING HELD IN CBP CUSTODY. YOU HAVE OVERSIGHT POWERS ON THIS QUESTION. FOURTH, CHILDREN SHOULD NOT BE SEPARATED FROM THEIR PARENTS. IMMIGRATION OFFICERS SHOULD NOT BE SEPARATING CHILDREN FROM THEIR MOTHERS, FATHERS, BROTHERS, GRANDMOTHERS ABSENT A REASON TO BELIEVE THERE IS IMMINENT RISK OF HARM TO THE CHILD. FINALLY, BY FAITH RECOMMENDATION IS THAT WE LOOK AT THE DATA AND DO WHAT WORKS. WHEN FAMILIES HAVE ACCESS TO A LAWYER THEY APPEAR AT THE IMMIGRATION COURT HEARINGS, 99% OF THE TIME. WHEN FAMILIES ARE OFFERED SUPPORT FROM A SOCIAL WORKER DUE TO THE ICE FAMILY CASE MANAGEMENT PROGRAM THEY SHOW UP FOR IMMIGRATION PROCEEDINGS 99% OF THE TIME. CHILDREN AND FAMILIES BELONG TOGETHER THEY DO NOT BELONG IN DETENTION, THEY SHOULD BE RELEASED AND THEY SHOULD BE FREE. DO WE NOT WOULD BE FAR LESS EXPENSIVE THAN WHAT WE ARE DOING NOW. THE ICE CASE FAMILY MANAGEMENT PROGRAM COST ONLY $38 A DAY PER FAMILY UNIT. TO DETAIN ONE PERSON IN A FAMILY DETENTION CENTER COST ON AVERAGE $320 PER DAY. TO DETAIN A CHILD AT HOMESTEAD LIKE THE EQUALLY LINE CHILD I FOUND THERE IN MARCH IT COST THE U.S. TAXPAYERS BETWEEN 750 AND $775 A DAY. THAT CHILD WAS DETAINED THERE ABOUT 120 DAYS UNNECESSARILY WHEN HE HAD A FATHER WHO IS DESPERATE TRYING THE -- 16:08:54 WE ARE SPENDING A MINIMUM OF $300 A DAY, MINIMUM, ON THESE CHILDREN IS THAT WHAT YOU ARE TELL ME CUSTOMER. 16:09:05 THAT IS THE RATE THAT WE ARE PAYING FOR ONE PERSON A DAY AT THE FAMILY DETENTION CENTER. 16:09:12 IF ANY OF US WERE GIVEN $300 A DAY TO TAKE CARE OF HERSELF THAT'S QUITE A BIT OF MONEY AND YOU COULD DO ALL KINDS OF THINGS. IN MY RIGHT? 16:09:28 THAT IS RIGHT LET ME GOING. I WANT TO ASK YOU ABOUT DHS INSPECTIONS OF SEVERAL IMMIGRATION DETENTION CENTERS ON THE SOUTHERN BORDER. THESE REPORTS WERE TALKING. I THINK THEY WILL SHOCK ANY AMERICAN WHO TAKES THE TIME TO READ THEM. OR EVEN TO LOOK AT THE PICTURES. MAY 2019 YOU ISSUED A REPORT ON DANGEROUS OVERCROWDING AND PROLONGED DETENTION AT BORDER FACILITIES IN EL PASO, TEXAS. I UNDERSTAND YOUR TEAM SAW ATTAIN THESE FOR 425? IS THAT RIGHT? 16:10:14 YES, SIR. 16:10:16 REPORTS ON SOME DETAINED IMMIGRANTS "IN HELD IN STANDING ROOM ONLY FOR DAYS OR WEEKS AND THE REPORT GOES ON TO SAY "WITH LIMITED ACCESS TO SHOWERS AND CLEAN CLOTHING DETAINEES WERE WEARING SOILED CLOTHING FOR DAYS OR WEEKS AND THE REPORT CONCLUDES THAT THESE CONDITIONS PROVIDE AN IMMEDIATE RISK TO THE HEALTH AND SAFETY NOT JUST OF THE DETAINEES BUT ALSO THE DHS AGENTS AND OFFICERS. IN ALL OF YOUR YEARS IN GOVERNMENT SERVICE HAVE YOU SEEN ANYTHING LIKE THIS CUSTOMER. 16:10:59 NO I HAVE NOT BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY THE INSPECTION TEAM THAT DID THE WORK ON THE GROUND FOR ME HAS NOT AND THEY HAVE BEEN DOING THIS FOR YEARS. THE REASON WE ISSUED THE MANAGEMENT ALERTS WAS BECAUSE THEY HAVE NEVER SEEN ANYTHING LIKE WHAT THEY SAW IN BOTH THE EL PASO CENTER IN THE FACILITIES IN THE RIO GRANDE VALLEY. 16:11:18 BUT THIS IS NOT AN ISOLATED INCIDENT, JUST LAST WEEK YOU ISSUED ANOTHER REPORT DESCRIBING DANGEROUS OVERCROWDING AND PROLONGED DETENTION AT FIVE DIFFERENT BORDER FACILITIES IN TEXAS. TOGETHER THESE HOLD OVER 200500 YOUNG PEOPLE. HE REPORTED THAT NEARLY ONE THIRD OF THESE CHILDREN HAD BEEN HELD LONGER THAN THE 72 HOUR LIMIT MS. COSTELLO, WHAT WERE THE CONDITIONS LIKE FOR THE CHILDREN IN THESE FACILITIES? 16:11:59 IT WAS SIMILAR TO THE SITUATION IN EL PASO FOR THE CHILDREN. THE OVERCROWDING WAS DANGEROUS, SIGNIFICANT AND AGAIN, MY INSPECTORS DESCRIBE THE SITUATION LIKE THEY HAD NEVER SEEN BEFORE AND THAT IS THE PICTURE. 16:12:11 CAN YOU TELL US WHAT'S IN THE PICTURE. 16:12:15 IS AN OVERCROWDED FACILITY IT IS FAMILIES IN A FACILITY IN A SPACE THAT THEY CANNOT POSSIBLY FIT IN. I THINK THE CAPTION UNDERNEATH -- I DON'T KNOW IF IT DESCRIBES A NUMBER. 16:12:36 NO. SO PEOPLE HAD TO BE LIKE THAT PRETTY MUCH 24/7? 16:12:45 YES. 16:12:45 TO CLARIFY, THEY VISITED ON THE DAYS THAT THEY VISITED. SO THAT'S THEIR AUTHORIZATION FROM THAT SNAPSHOT IN TIME. BUT THE UNDERSTANDING IS THAT FOLKS HAVE BEEN IN THAT CONDITION FOR A WHILE. 16:12:57 WHEN YOU WENT AND YOU WERE INSPECTOR GENERAL AND IT WAS ALLOWED TO TAKE A PHOTO? 16:13:06 YES. THAT IS PART OF HOW WE DO OUR WORK, HOW WE COLLECTOR EVIDENCE AND IT FRANKLY WOULD NEVER OCCUR TO NOT TO HAVE HER TEAM GOING TO TAKE PICTURES. 16:13:14 THANK YOU VERY MUCH. HOW LONG WOULD EACH CHILDREN BE KEPT IN THESE CONDITIONS? 16:13:24 IN THE RIO GRAND VALLEY, THE INFORMATION THAT WE HAVE IS THAT CHILDREN WERE 31% OR MORE THAN THEIR THAN 72 HOURS. 165 FOR LONGER THAN A WEEK. THAT IS CHILDREN WITH REGARD TO UNACCOMPANIED ALIEN CHILDREN, WE HAD 50 UNDER SEVEN WHO WERE THERE FOR OVER TWO WEEKS. 16:13:48 LET ME ASK YOU THIS, I'M JUST CURIOUS WHERE ON THE TOILET FACILITIES IN THIS? DO YOU KNOW? NO I DO NOT ACTUALLY BUT CHILDREN ARE SUPPOSED TO HAVE ACCESS TO TOILETS IN THE HOLDING ROOM. 16:14:14 IN FACILITIES LIKE THIS AND THIS IS KNOWLEDGE BASED ON HIS TROOPINTERVIEWING HUNDREDS OF FAMILIES PRESENT TOILETS ARE OPEN. THERE IS NO PRIVACY TO USE THE TOILET. CHILDREN TRY TO USE THE FOIL WRAPPERS THAT YOU SEEK TO COVER THEMSELVES WHERE THEIR TOILETING. AND THIS LEADS TO PROBLEMS. AND WE TALK TO GIRLS WHO ARE SO EMBARRASSED THAT BOYS COULD SEE THEM WHILE THEY WERE USING THE TOILET. WE TALKED TO A BOY WHO TRIED NOT TO EAT BECAUSE HE WAS SO EMBARRASSED TO USE THE TOILET EVERY DAY THESE CHILDREN ARE BEING DEGRADED BY HAVING NO ACCESS TO ANY PRIVACY WHEN THEY'RE USING THE TOILET. 16:15:01 YES MUSCALA. 16:15:02 A MEMBER OF MY TEAM WAS ABLE TO CLARIFY. YOU CANNOT TELL FROM THE PICTURE BUT APPARENTLY THE TOILET IS IN THE BACK. 16:15:12 IN THE BACK AND AREN'T THERE? 16:15:13 ESTHER. YOU CANNOT SEE THE OBVIOUSLY AND APPARENTLY THAT IS WHERE IT'S LOCATED. 16:15:18 OKAY. 16:15:21 ONE OFFICER INTERVIEWED A SECURITY SITUATION AS A QUOTE TICKING TIME BOMB. MS. COSTELLO CBP HAS DETAILED STANDARDS IN ATTAINING THESE CHILDREN. BASED ON YOUR INSPECTION DO BELIEVE THE CBP IS MEETING THOSE? 16:15:49 NOT FOR EVERYONE OF THE STANDARDS. I DO WANT TO EMPHASIZE WHEN WE VISITED THE FACILITIES THEY WERE WELL STOCKED AS I SAID IN MY PREPARED STATEMENT WITH DIAPERS, JUICE SNACKS -- OLIVER INSPECTIONS ARE UNANNOUNCED AND THAT IS REALLY THE ONLY WAY TO DO IT. WHAT THEY'RE NOT MEETING STANDARDS ON IS OBVIOUSLY THE CROWDING, PROLONGED DETENTION, SOME OF THE HYGIENE THAT THE CHILDREN ARE SUPPOSED TO HAVE. IT WOULD BE IMPOSSIBLE TO DO SO IN THE CONDITIONS THAT WE SAW THERE IT IS SHOCKING. 16:16:22 DOESN'T SHOCK YOU THAT WERE SPENDING A MINIMUM OF $300 PER DAY? 16:16:33 I DON'T HAVE INFORMATION THAT VALIDATES THAT PARTICULAR NUMBER. 16:16:35 THAT IS NOT WHAT I ASKED TO PRINT. [LAUGHTER] 16:16:38 WOULD IT SHOCK YOU TO KNOW THAT WERE SPENDING A MINIMUM OF $300 A DAY FOR FOLKS TO LIVE IN A FACILITY LIKE THAT? 16:16:52 IF THAT WERE AN ACCURATE NUMBER YES. 16:16:54 I'VE A QUESTION. THE $300 A DAY IS FOR FAMILY RESIDENTIAL CENTERS AND THE REASON THAT PRICE IS $300 A DAY BECAUSE WE HAVE TO PROVIDE COLLEGE PSYCHOLOGISTS, EDUCATIONAL PROGRAMS, AND PICTURES YOU'RE BEING SHOWN ARBITRAL FACILITIES PRAY THERE IS NOT UP COST PER DAY. THE $300 A DAY IS A NICE FACILITY, DIFFERENT FACILITY. 16:17:19 WHEREVER THE PICTURES WE PUT IN SOMEBODY IS NOT FOR FREE. 16:17:26 I DON'T KNOW WHAT BOARD APPROVED UNDER FACILITIES COSTS. 16:17:31 UNDERSTAND. 16:17:32 I WANT TO AGREE WITH HIM. THAT IS CORRECT. 16:17:39 THANK YOU VERY MUCH MS. COSTELLO, YOU TESTIFIED THAT DHS IS NOT DEVELOPING LONG-TERM PLANS TO ADDRESS ISSUES WITHIN DETENTION CENTERS ALONG THE SOUTHERN BORDER. IN THE DHS HAS TAKEN TO ALLEVIATE OVERCROWDING AND CONTINUE IN YOUR WORDS, FALL SHORT. IS THAT ACCURATE? 16:18:13 I THINK THE EFFORTS TO PUT IN PLACE AND CREATE MORE SPACE TO ELIMINATE THE OVERCROWDING OUR FIRST STEPS AND I DID TESTIFY EARLIER IT IS ABOUT MOVING CHILDREN AND FAMILIES AND ADULTS ADDED THESE FACILITIES TO BEGINNING. THEY WERE NEVER INTENDED TO HOUSE FOLKS FOR AS MANY AS LONGER THAN 70 CHARTS. WE ARE CURRENTLY ENGAGED IN EFFORTS TO TRY TO IDENTIFY WHY THEY ARE STAYING THERE LONGER THAN 72 HOURS AND OFFER RECOMMENDATION FOR THINGS WE CAN DO ABOUT THAT. 16:18:55 HOW SOON DO YOU EXPECT US TO BE MADE? 16:19:04 WE ARE JUST GETTING INVOLVED IN NETWORK. 16:19:05 THAT'S NOT WHAT I ASKED YOU. 16:19:06 I KNOW. IF I PROMISE YOU DATE -- 16:19:08 I KNOW YOU ASKED ME AGAIN. 16:19:10 IT WILL TAKE SOME TIME FOR US TO GET THERE AND I THINK WE HAVE SEVERAL LINES OF WORK THAT WERE ENGAGED IN ON ALL OF THESE ISSUES THAT HAVE BEEN DISCUSSED TODAY. SOME WILL BE READY THIS FALL AND THAT ONE PROBABLY NOT YET. 16:19:25 I WANT YOU TO UNDERSTAND, THIS IS VERY UNUSUAL FOR US TO BE HERE THIS LATE ON A GETAWAY DAY. 16:19:32 I KNOW SIR. BUT IT IS URGENT FOR US, IT'S A LIFE-AND-DEATH SITUATION AND THAT IS WHY I AM PRESSING A LITTLE BIT AND LIKE 70 SET ON THE OTHER SIDE WE ARE LOOKING FOR SOLUTIONS AND SOMETIMES TO GET THE SOLUTIONS YOU HAVE TO HAVE ACCOUNTABILITY AND PRESSURE SO WE WANT TO SEE SOMETHING GET DONE AS FAST AS WE CAN. 16:20:09 YES, MA'AM I WANT TO ADD TO THE RECORD THAT CBP HAS DEALT WITH LARGER NUMBERS APPREHENSION IN THE PAST WITHOUT CAUSING AND CREATING A HEALTH AND SAFETY CRISIS. IF APPREHENSIONS CONTINUE AT THE RATE THAT THEY HAVE BEEN IN A 2019 WITHOUT THE DROP THAT WE SAW -- WITHOUT THE 20% DROP THAT WE SOLDIER. 2018 WILL SEE NO MORE THAN 67% OF THE NUMBER OF APPREHENSION THAT WE SELL IN 1986 AND 1998 AND 1999 AND IN 2000. FLORIDA'S SETTLEMENT AGREEMENT WAS REACHED IN 1997 AND IT REQUIRES THE GOVERNMENT TO PLAN FOR AN INFLUX IN TWO WEEKS AGO A FEDERAL COURT RECOGNIZED THAT THE GOVERNMENT HAS HAD 22 YEARS TO PLAN FOR AN INFLUX. THE COURT ORDERED THE GOVERNMENT TO DO SO WILL. I AGREE WITH YOU ABOUT THE URGENCY OF THE SITUATION AND THE ADMINISTRATION NEEDS TO ACT NOW TO CARE FOR THESE CHILDREN AND RELEASE THEM PROPERLY. 16:21:11 MRS. COSTELLO YOU GET BACK TO ME RIGHT? 16:21:17 AND I BELIEVE YOU CAN GET THAT THE CUSTOMER. 16:21:18 OF COURSE WE WILL. 16:21:19 I WOULD REALLY APPRECIATE THAT. I WILL LET EACH ONE OF THEM ASK ONE QUESTION. WE WILL LET, YOU ALL HAVE BEEN SO KIND TO STAY HERE AND I JUST WANT TO CHECK TO SEE IF YOU ALL HAD A QUESTION OR TWO WE WILL GO TO MR. RASKIN AND THEN COME BACK THIS WAY. 16:21:45 THANK YOU VERY MUCH AND I'M VERY PROUD TO BE A MEMBER OF THE COMMITTEE. WITH ALL THE EXTERNAL WORK THAT WE DID THIS WEEK TO OPENING AMERICA'S EYES TO WHAT IS GOING ON IN THE NAME OF EVERY AMERICAN CITIZEN AT THE BORDER. I WANTED TO ASK YOU BECAUSE YOU'VE BEEN DOING THIS WORK AS I UNDERSTAND IT SINCE YOU WERE A LAW STUDENT. IN THE CLINICAL PROGRAM IN 2003. SO YOU HAVE SOME HISTORICAL AS A HUMAN RIGHTS ADVOCATE IN THE LAWYER FROM THAT PERSPECTIVE. CAN YOU COMPARE THE CONDITIONS THAT YOU SEE AT IMMIGRATION FACILITIES OVER THE LAST YEAR TO WHAT YOU SAW BEFORE THIS. THE TRUTH IS, I AM LIKE MOST AMERICANS WHO ARE NOT IN THE IMMIGRATION LAW FIELD AND I HAVE NOT PAID CLOSE ATTENTION TO THIS BUT IF THIS IS WHAT IT'S ALWAYS BEEN LIKE OR HAVE WE SEEN A DEGRADATION AND DETERIORATION OF THE CONDITIONS. HOW DO WE UNDERSTAND THIS AND HISTORICAL CONTENT? 16:22:51 I HAVE NEVER SEEN ANYTHING LIKE THIS. I HAVE BEEN INVOLVED IN SUING THREE DEMONSTRATIONS TO TRY AND SEEK BETTER PRETENSION FOR IMMIGRANT CHILDREN IN DETENTION. BUT NEVER BEFORE HAVE I SEEN WHAT I SAW HEARD AND SMELLED AS WHAT I DID IN CLINTON LAST MONTH. NEVER BEFORE HAVE WE LEARNED THAT 700 CHILDREN BEING DETAINED IN A FACILITY DESIGNED FOR 100 ADULTS, NEVER BEFORE HAVE I MET WITH CHILDREN DETAINED IN CBP CUSTODY FOR EVEN A WEEK, MUCH LESS SEVERAL WEEKS. NEVER BEFORE HAS MY TEAM OF LAWYERS HAD TO DIRECTLY INTERVENE TO GET BABIES ADMITTED TO THE HOSPITAL. THE WEEK OF JUNE 10 MY COLLEAGUES, A PEDIATRICIAN AND SEVERAL LAWYERS DID INTERVIEWS IN MCALLEN TEXAS AT THE FACILITY AND THEY IDENTIFIED FIVE BABIES WHO WERE SO SICK THAT THEY NEEDED TO BE ADMITTED TO THE NEONATAL INTENSIVE CARE UNIT AT THE LOCAL HOSPITAL. FOR NEARLY A DECADE AS THE COMMITTEE KNOWS THERE WAS NO REPORTED DEATHS OF CHILDREN IN FEDERAL IMMIGRATION CUSTODY. IN JUST THE PAST YEAR CHILDREN HAVE DIED IN CUSTODY OR JUST AFTER BEING RELEASED. THIS IS DIFFERENT THAN WHAT I'VE EVER SEEN BEFORE. 16:24:14 THINKING. 16:24:14 THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. YOU ARE CLEARLY THE EXPERT AND THE PERSON THAT PERFORMED THE SACRIFICE TO DEFEND THE BORDER AND TRY TO SAVE LIVES FROM AMERICANS AND OTHERS WHO ARE HERE LEGALLY OR ILLEGALLY HOWEVER, THEY'RE HERE. DO YOU HAVE ANY CLOSING REMARKS BECAUSE I KNOW YOU BEEN CUT OFF A LOT AND I AM VERY SORRY THAT A MEMBER ON THE OTHER SIDE QUESTION YOUR INTEGRITY BECAUSE CLEARLY YOUR CREDIBLE AND HAVE SERVED THIS COUNTRY WITH HONOR AND I WANTED TO GIVE YOU AN OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE CLOSING REMARKS AND TOUCH ON ANYTHING THAT IS BEEN MENTIONED IN THE LAST 30 MINUTES. 16:25:10 I'LL JUST SAY THIS, I HAVE SERVED MY COUNTRY FOR 34 YEARS AND THERE'S A, AND MADE EARLIER THAT IN MY LINKEDIN I OVERSAW 310,000 IN THE FOUR YEARS IN MY LEADERSHIP WE OVERSAW A MILLION ILLEGAL ALIENS BEING REMOVED AND BEING DEPORTED. I HAD A PRESIDENTIAL RANKING AWARD FROM PRESIDENT OBAMA FOR DISTINGUISHED SERVICE. I WORKED FOR SIX PRESIDENTS AND I RESPECT EACH AND EVERY ONE OF THEM. BUT MY JOB IS TO EXECUTE A MISSION WITHIN THE FRAMEWORK PROVIDED WITH RESOURCES AND POLICIES. I EXECUTED UNDER PRESIDENT OBAMA IN THE LEADER SHOW UNDER ICE AND PRESIDENT TRUMP. I DID MY JOB. A LOT OF THIS GOES BACK IN FOR TODAY AND I'LL LEAVE IT WITH US. THE SITUATION AT THE BORDER IS FOR CONGRESS TO ACT. 16:26:03 THESE CHILDREN ARE BACK CONDITIONS AND MY HEART BREAKS FOR THEM. BORDER PATROL JAILS WERE NOT BUILT FOR VULNERABLE PEOPLE LIKE WOMEN IN TOTAL. GIVEN THE HHS AND WHAT THEY NEED TO GET THESE PEOPLE TO THE FACILITY THAT IS BUILT IN PAYING FOR THEM. NO ONE WANTS TO SEE THAT. BUT WE DO STOP THE VILIFICATION OF MEN AND WOMEN WHO ARE DOING THE BEST I CAN ON A VERY DIFFICULT CIRCUMSTANCE. THEY HAVE SAID MANY OF TARIFFS OF WHAT IS GOING ON. I HOPE CONGRESS WILL WORK WITH US A MINISTRATION AND TRYING TO FIX IT. I THINK WERE COUNTRY OF LAWS AND WE NEED TO ENFORCE THE LAWS FOR ANYBODY IN CONGRESS TO SAY IGNORE THE LAW BECAUSE WOULD RATHER NOT FIX IT IS THE WRONG WAY TO GO. I ASKED BORDER PATROL AND ICE TO DO THE JOB AND I US GUYS TO DO THIS. 16:26:55 TWO THINGS, SOMETHING THAT IS GOOD TO POINT OUT. THESE FACILITIES, CORRECT ME FROM WRONG WERE NOT BUILT FOR CHILDREN. THERE JAILS. NUMBER TWO, YOU HAVE GIVEN THREE SOLUTIONS THAT I AGREE 100% WOULD BEGIN TO SOLVE THE PROBLEM. AND I ASSURE YOU THIS SIDE OF THE AISLE WILL DO EVERYTHING THAT WE CAN TO WORK WITH THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION TO IMPLEMENT THAT IT TAKES 218 VOTES TO PASS LEGISLATION, MOVE THE SENATE, WE HAVE ABOUT 198 AND I HOPE THAT WE CAN WORK IN A BIPARTISAN WAY BECAUSE TO GET TO A SOLUTION IN THE CONGRESS IT WILL TAKE BIPARTISAN SUPPORT. I YELL BACK. 16:27:46 THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. MR. HOMAN I WAS WONDERING IF YOU COULD ANSWER A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS THAT I WAS UNABLE TO GET ANSWERED DURING OUR VISITS AS CBP. ARE YOU AWARE OF EXACTLY WHAT IS THE TEMPERATURE WHERE FAMILIES ARE BEING DETAINED SHOULD BE AT AND SECONDARILY, WHAT DOES THE INDEX NEED TO BE OUTSIDE FOR PEOPLE TO BE MOVED FROM TENTS INSIDE. 16:28:19 I DO NOT KNOW THE ANSWER. I SAY THE BIGGEST COMPLAINT WE HEAR FROM FOLKS IS BORDER PATROL IS VERY COLD. THEY CALL THEM ICE BOXES. THE REASON FOR THAT, MANY OF THE PEOPLE FROM CENTRAL AMERICA DON'T EXPERIENCE AIR-CONDITIONING ON ATTORNEY FOR SEVEN BASIS. BUT I DON'T KNOW IF THEY HAVE A LIMIT IN WORSHIP YET. I DO NOT HAVE AN ANSWER THE QUESTION. 16:28:46 OR ANYONE ON THE PANEL THAT CAN SPEAK TO OVERCOMMITTED TEMPERATURE? 16:28:53 I DON'T HAVE THOSE NUMBERS BUT I KNOW ADVOCACY GROUPS HAVE PULLED THAT IN THE PAST AND I'D BE HAPPY TO SHARE A PREPARED REPORT AND WHAT THEY'VE BEEN TOLD WHAT ARE THE STANDARDS. 16:29:06 DOES NOT INCLUDE ANYTHING SO FAR AS LAVATORY AND A TOILET. I'D BE CURIOUS AGAIN WE MAKE THIS ABOUT FUNDING AND IF YOU SEND EQUIPMENT SOMEPLACE AND MORE GOODS IN USE AND ONE TOILET TO SERVE 500 PEOPLE THAT IS NOT SANITARY. THAT IS A PUBLIC HEALTH ISSUE. SO I WOULD BE CURIOUS TO KNOW FOR MY EDIFICATION WHAT IS RECOMMENDED. 16:29:37 I DON'T THINK WE'VE EVER HAD THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS BECAUSE WE HAVE NEVER BEEN IN A CIRCUMSTANCE WHERE WE HAD TO SAY HOW MANY TOILETS ARE NEEDED FOR CHILDREN. THE PRIVACY REQUIRED THEY HAVE NEVER BEEN THIS BAD. SO THOSE REPORTS DO NOT EXIST BUT I EXPECT THEY'RE ON THEIR WAY. MR. HOMAN I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMITMENT ON THE RECORD TO PARTNER WITH ME AND DO EVERYTHING YOU CAN TO SAVE THIS ANGLE AND DETAINEE IN MY CHIEF OF STAFF, SHE WILL APPROACH YOU AS HIS HEARING ADJOURNED SO WE CAN GET ON THE PHONE RIGHT AWAY. 16:30:11 THANK YOU. 16:30:16 MS. OCASIO-CORTEZ. 16:30:16 THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. WHEN WE WERE AT THESE FACILITIES, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I HAD NOTICED THERE WERE TENTS IN THE BACK AND THEY LOOK LIKE CAGES AND A LOT OF THE MIGRANTS THEY CALL THE PENS DOG POUNDS. THERE WAS A LOT OF THEM BUT THEY WERE EMPTY WHEN I WRITE. AND WE HAVE HEARD REPORTS THAT THERE WAS HUNDREDS OF PEOPLE IN THE EL PASO BORDER STATION. SO I ASKED SOME OF THE MIGRANTS IS IT TRUE THAT THERE WERE PEOPLE HERE. IS ANYONE ELSE HERE? THEY SAID NO. AND WERE THERE PEOPLE HERE. WE HEARD THERE WAS HUNDREDS OF PEOPLE BEING KEPT IN THE FACILITY. AND THEY SAID THEY TOOK THEM AWAY. AND I HAVE HEARD FROM THESE MIGRANTS AND OTHER FACILITIES THAT WE HAD VISITED A WELCOME STATION FOR FAMILIES AND WE HEARD SIMILAR THINGS IN THE PAST AS WELL THAT AS CBP CHANGES FACILITIES WHEN THEY KNOW AND HAVE ADVANCE NOTICE OF CONGRESSIONAL COHESION IS COMING. I'M CURIOUS IF YOU HEARD ANYTHING ABOUT THIS OR ACCOUNTS TO COOPERATE WHAT THEY SAID. 16:31:54 WHAT I CAN SAY, THE GOVERNMENT HAD THREE WEEKS NOTICE THAT WE WERE COMING TO THE EL PASO SECTOR AND THE OFFICERS ON THE GROUND AT THE FACILITY NEW DAYS IN ADVANCE THAT WE WERE COMING AND WHAT WE SAW WAS SO APPALLING THAT WE HAD TO SHARE IT WITH AMERICA. WE HAD NO OTHER CHOICE IN THEIR QUICKLY AFTER WE HEARD CHILDREN WERE BEING MOVED OUT OF THE FACILITY IN THE HUNDREDS AND CBP WAS RELEASING THOUSANDS OF CHILDREN. 16:32:28 THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I'M GOING TO MAKE MY CLOSING STATEMENT BY HAVE TWO OR THREE QUESTIONS AND THEN WILL BE FINISHED IN THE NEXT FIVE MINUTES. MS. COSTELLO I WAS SHOCKED TO READ THE REPORTS ABOUT THE RACIST AND SEXIST POST AND SECRET SERVICE FACEBOOK PAGE MY CURRENT AND FORMER PORTABLE AGENT CAN YOU CONFIRM WHETHER YOUR OFFICE IS INVESTIGATING THIS ISSUE AND BEFORE YOU ENTER, I UNDERSTAND YOU HAVE CERTAIN LIMITATIONS AND I'M JUST ASKING THE QUESTION. 16:33:08 I CAN ANSWER. IN THIS CASE. IF YOU ALLOW ME TOO ELABORATE. THOSE KINDS OF COMPLAINT WE DO GET THEM. AND BECAUSE WE RELATE TO BUY IT UNDER VIOLATIONS OF BEHAVIOR AND CODE OF CONDUCT THE CBP OFFICE OF RESPONSIBLE TO HANDLES US. WE GET SO MANY COMPLAINTS THAT WE WANT CRIMINAL INVESTIGATORS TO FOCUS ON CORRUPTION AND VERY HIGH-LEVEL MISCONDUCT. THE INDIVIDUAL BEHAVIOR, WE STILL FEEL THOSE ARE APPROPRIATE FOR CBP OFFICE OF PROFESSIONAL RESPONSIBILITY. GIVEN THAT THERE WAS ALLEGATIONS THAT LEADERSHIP KNEW THAT THEY USED THE FACEBOOK PAGE TO GET INFORMATION THAT THEY DID NOT TAKE ACTION EARLIER WHEN THEY KNEW WE DO FEEL THAT'S AN APPROPRIATE ISSUE FOR MY OFFICE TO LOOK INTO BUT IT WON'T BE A CRIMINAL INVESTIGATION, IT'LL BE DONE OUT OF OUR OFFICE AND SPECIAL REVIEWS. WHICH IS THE SAME OFFICE THE DID THE MANAGEMENT ALERT. 16:34:14 CUMMINGS AS WE CONCLUDE. I LISTENED TO EVERYBODY. EVEN YOU AND I WAS LOOKING AT IT, I WAS IN A MEETING AND I HEARD YOUR TESTIMONY. I HEARD EVERYBODY'S TESTIMONY. AS A LISTEN TO ALL OF WHAT IS HAPPENED TODAY. I GO BACK TO WHAT I SENT A LITTLE EARLIER. I THINK WE REALLY HAVE TO CONCENTRATE ON THE CHILDREN WHO ARE TRYING AND THEIR PARENTS ARE TRYING TO SIMPLY LIVE A BETTER LIFE. MANY OF THEM ARE ESCAPING FROM PURE HORROR STORIES. WHEN YOU USE MS. COSTELLO'S WORDS LIKE IMMINENT DANGER, I FORGET WHO USED TO BUT TO ME THAT IS LIFE AND DEATH STUFF. I'M IMMEDIATELY GOING TO HOLD OTHER YEAR. BECAUSE IT IS ABOUT SAVING SOMEBODY'S LIFE, SAVING A LOT OF PEOPLE'S LIVES. THERE IS ANOTHER PIECE TO THIS. I THINK WHAT HAPPENS, I LISTEN TO YOUR TESTIMONY AND PARTICULARLY THE LAST STATEMENT THAT YOU MADE AN ANSWER TO MR. COLEMAN'S GIVING YOU THE OPPORTUNITY. YOU HAVE A GOOD POINT. YOU'RE TRYING TO CARRY OUT THE LAW IN AND IF ANYTHING IS TO HAPPEN WE NEED TO DO IT. BUT IN THE MEANTIME. IT IS THE MEANTIME THAT I'M WORRIED ABOUT. WHAT HAPPENS. I TELL MY CHILDREN WHENEVER YOU GO INTO A STORM YOU HAVE TO RESPECT THE STORM. IN OTHER WORDS, YOU DO NOT -- ON ICY CONDITIONS SPEEDING. RIGHT NOW I THINK WE HAVE TWO GO THE EXTRA MILE TO TRY TO MAKE SURE WE DO THE THINGS IMMEDIATELY TO BRING COMFORT TO THESE CHILDREN. WE HAD A HEARING YESTERDAY WHERE WE TALKED ABOUT THE EFFECTS OF TRAUMA ON CHILDREN. ALL IT WAS CHILLING. AND I CANNOT HELP WHEN LISTENING TO THE WITNESSES OF THINKING OF THESE CHILDREN. YOU HEARD ME SAY AT THE BEGINNING OF THIS HEARING ARE CHILDREN OF THE LIVING MESSENGERS THAT WE SENT TO THE FUTURE WE WILL NEVER SEE. THE QUESTION IS HOW DO WE SEND THEM. HOW ARE WE SENDING THEM. YOU THINK ABOUT A CHILD WALKING AROUND WITH A DIRTY DIAPER NO TOOTHPASTE, TORN AWAY FROM THE. SPELLING BACK, THERE'S SOME KIND OF WAY, I'M NOT BLAMING YOU MR. HOMAN, WHAT WE'RE SAYING IS WE WANT TO FIND SOLUTIONS TO RESOLVE THIS ISSUE. THESE CHILDREN WILL GROW UP WHEN WE'RE DONE. WE WILL BE DEAD WITH THE ANGELS. AND WHAT KIND OF MESSAGE WILL WE HAVE SENT. I THINK THAT IS THE REASON WHY WE HAVE SO MUCH INTEREST, THESE ARE MEMBERS ON BOTH SIDES ARE CONCERNED ABOUT WHO IS THIS YOUNG MAN, THIS LITTLE BABY WHO IS NOW FOUR YEARS OLD GOING TO GROW INTO. WHAT IS HE GOING TO BE LIKE. IT IS OUR DUTY. THIS MOMENT IS OUR WATCH, WERE ON WATCH RIGHT NOW. AND WHAT WE DO NOW, WE CAN PUT OUR HANDPRINTS AND FINGERPRINTS ON THEIR FUTURES. AND ON THEIR DESTINIES. PART OF THIS HEARING IS ABOUT TRYING TO CHANGE THE TRAJECTORY. TRYING TO CHANGE THE TRAJECTORY OF THEIR DESTINY. ALL SO HELP ME GOD. I WILL DO EVERYTHING IN OUR POWER AND WORK WITH THE ENTIRE COMMITTEE TO RESOLVE THESE ISSUES AS FAST AS WE POSSIBLY CAN. WITHOUT OBJECTION THE FOLLOWING ITEMS SHALL BE ENTERED INTO THE HEARING RECORD. A LETTER FROM THE ANTI-DEFAMATION LEAGUE, RECOGNITION FROM KIDS AND NEEDS OF THE DEFENSE IN A STATEMENT FROM THE CHURCH WORLD SERVICE, A STATEMENT FROM THE CENTER OF VICTIMS TORTURE, A LETTER FROM THE ORGANIZATION OF 023. THESE DOCUMENTS SUPPORT RECOMMENDATIONS SEPARATING CHILDREN FROM THEIR FAMILIES IN UNNECESSARY DETENTIONS AND ENSURE WE PROVIDE HUMANE TREATMENT TO EVERYONE IN GOVERNMENT CUSTODY. AGAIN I WOULD LIKE TO THINK OUR WITNESS FOR TESTIFYING TODAY. AND I WANT TO THANK ALL OF YOU, ALL THE MEMBERS WHO MOST OF YOU ALL WOULD'VE BEEN ON A PLANE GOING TO PLACES YOU GOTTA GO. BUT YOU FELT IT WAS SO IMPORTANT THAT YOU BE HERE. I APPRECIATE THAT. WITHOUT OBJECTION ALL MEMBERS WILL HAVE FIVE LEGISLATIVE DAYS TO SUBMIT ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS FOR THE WITNESSES. TO THE CHAIR. IT WILL BE FORWARDED TO THE WITNESSES FOR THE RESPONSE. I ASKED OUR WITNESSES TO PLEASE RESPOND AS PROPERLY AS POSSIBLE AND AS FAST AS YOU POSSIBLY CAN. AGAIN I WANT TO THANK ALL OF YOU AND THIS HEARING IS ADJOURNED.

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