US Republicans 3
AP-APTN-0930: US Republicans 3 Wednesday, 4 January 2012 STORY:US Republicans 3- REPLAY Romney wins Iowa caucus by tiny margin over Santorum LENGTH: 04:34 FIRST RUN: 0830 RESTRICTIONS: Part No Access N America/Internet TYPE: English/Natsound SOURCE: AP TELEVISION/ABC STORY NUMBER: 721771 DATELINE: Iowa - 3 Jan 2012 LENGTH: 04:34 AP TELEVISION - AP CLIENTS ONLY ABC - NO ACCESS N AMERICA/INTERNET SHOTLIST (FIRST RUN 0630 - 4 January, 2012) AP TELEVISION - AP CLIENTS ONLY 1. Wide of Republican presidential hopeful Rick Santorum on stage in front of supporters, UPSOUND: (English) "Game on," zoom to mid as supporters cheer 2. Wide of Santorum on stage in front of supporters 3. SOUNDBITE (English) Rick Santorum, US Republican presidential candidate: "People have asked me how I've done this, sitting back at the polls and not getting a whole lot of attention paid to us. How did you keep going out to Iowa? Ninety-nine counties and 381 town hall meetings and speeches. Well every morning when I was getting up in the morning to take on that challenge I required a strength from another particular friendship, one that is sacred. I've survived the challenges so far by the daily grace that comes from God." AP TELEVISION - AP CLIENTS ONLY 4. SOUNDBITE (English) Mitt Romney, US Republican presidential candidate: ++goes to mid shot during soundbite++ "We face an extraordinary challenge in America and you know that, and that is internationally Iran is about to have nuclear weaponry, just down the road here, and this President, what's he done in that regard? He said he'd have a policy of engagement. And I'll also do the work of finally getting ourselves to cut our federal spending and capping how much we spend and balancing our budget. I think it's immoral for us to continue to spend our kids' future, year after year, trillions of dollars, passed onto the next generation knowing we can't possibly pay it back. It's wrong and under my administration, it'll end." 5. Cutaway Romney on stage, supporters applauding (FIRST RUN 0830 - 4 January, 2012) AP TELEVISION - AP CLIENTS ONLY 6. SOUNDBITE (English) Mitt Romney, US Republican presidential candidate: "I will go to work to get America back to work by making America once again the most attractive place in the world for job creators and innovators and investors and the jobs will begin to flow like they have in the past." 7. Wide of the hall with Romney's supporters cheering 8.SOUNDBITE (English) Mitt Romney, US Republican presidential candidate: "The right course for America is to remain merit society and opportunity nation." ( audience applauding and cheering) "The right course for America - economically, personally, morally - is for America to restore the principles that made us the shining city on a hill, our conviction that freedom is a gift of God, our recognition that America is a merit society where people, based upon their education, their hard work, their risk taking, their dreams, can lift themselves, and people around them and our entire nation. That's what we need to restore in this country." (FIRST RUN 0530GMT - 4 January, 2012) AP TELEVISION - AP CLIENTS ONLY 9. Mid and zoom out of Republican presidential hopeful Ron Paul's caucus night event (FIRST RUN 0630GMT - 4 January, 2012) AP TELEVISION - AP CLIENTS ONLY 10. SOUNDBITE (English) Ron Paul, US Republican presidential candidate: "I'll tell you the best way to spread our message, and that is do our job at home - preserve our liberties at home, provide the free market, have a sound currency, balance the budget, set an example and get them, the rest of the world, to emulate us - that is the road to peace and prosperity. Thank you very much." (FIRST RUN 0530GMT - 4 January, 2012) ABC - NO ACCESS NAMERICA/INTERNET 11. Republican presidential hopeful Newt Gingrich supporters chanting (FIRST RUN 0630GMT - 4 January, 2012) 12. SOUNDBITE (English) Newt Gingrich, US Republican presidential candidate: "We have one other great debate, and that is whether this party wants a Regan conservative, who helped change Washington in the 1980s with Ronald Regan, and helped change Washington in the 1990s as the Speaker of the House, somebody who is into changing Washington, or we want a Massachusetts moderate who in fact will be pretty good at managing the decay but has given no evidence in his years at Massachusetts of any ability to change the culture or change the political structure or change the government." ++Zoom out to wide of supporters cheering and applauding++ ABC - NO ACCESS N.AMERICA/INTERNET 13. Republican presidential hopeful Rick Perry approaches microphone at his night event 14. SOUNDBITE (English) Rick Perry, US Republican presidential candidate: "There has been no greater joy in my life than to be able to share with the people of Iowa and of this country that there is a model to take this country forward and it is in the great state of Texas. God bless you and thank you all for being with us tonight." (FIRST RUN 0630GMT - 4 January, 2012) ABC - NO ACCESS NAMERICA/INTERNET 15. Wide of Republican presidential hopeful Michelle Bachmann on stage in front of supporters 16. SOUNDBITE (English) Michelle Bachmann, US Republican presidential candidate: "The people of Iowa have spoken and they have written the very first chapter in this long journey to take our country back from Barack Obama, and make no mistake we will." 17. Wide zoom of Bachmann dancing on stage STORYLINE In the US, the Chairman of the Iowa Republican Party said early on Wednesday that former Massachusetts Governor Mitt Romney had won the Iowa caucuses by eight votes. Iowa's Republican presidential caucus is the opening contest in the campaign to pick a challenger to face President Barack Obama in 2012's US election. Iowa Chairman Matt Strawn made the announcement of the razor-thin margin from Des Moines. Romney narrowly edged out former Pennsylvania Senator Rick Santorum with 30,015 votes against Santorum's 30,007. Shortly before the results were announced, the candidates spoke to their followers. Rick Santorum declared that his special friendship with God helped him to shoulder the hardships of running for president. "When I was getting up in the morning to take on that challenge I required a strength from another particular friendship, one that is sacred. I've survived the challenges so far by the daily grace that comes from God." The eventual winner, Mitt Romney, declared that that without his leadership America would be at severe risk from an Iran, "just down the road," with nuclear capability. He also used his time at the podium to criticise President Obama's domestic policy, highlight the issue of unemployment and promise he would create jobs for Americans: "I will go to work to get America back to work by making America once again the most attractive place in the world for job creators and innovators and investors and the jobs will begin to flow like they have in the past," Romney said. "The right course for America is to remain merit society and opportunity nation," Romeny said as his supporters in the hall cheered and applauded. The narrow margin, out of more than 122,000 straw poll ballots cast, was a fitting conclusion to a race as jumbled as any since Iowa gained the lead-off position in presidential campaigns four decades ago. Texas Representative Ron Paul ran third and former House Speaker Newt Gingrich was fourth. Both men vowed to carry the fight to New Hampshire's primary next week and beyond. Not so for Texas Governor Rick Perry, who came in fifth and is said to be reassessing his candidacy. Minnesota Representative Michele Bachmann was a distant sixth, and her campaign appeared in disarray. It is thought at she will carry on, although her campaign manager raised doubts in an Associated Press interview about whether she would stay in the race. Romney is heavily favoured in New Hampshire's primary on January 10. South Carolina on January 21 may be a tougher test, the first contest in the South and a state that is part of the Republican political base. Already, the top two in Iowa were staking out their turf. Officials said Romney would receive an endorsement in the morning from Senator John McCain of Arizona, who twice won the New Hampshire primary and was the the Republican presidential nominee in 2008. 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1970S TELEVISION SHOWS
The following is a list of David Susskind Shows possibly housed in a number off-site facilities--if they can be located at all. These listed programs HAVE NOT BEEN INSPECTED thus we cannot guarantee the existence, quality, duration or timely delivery of any of the material listed here. We offer access to these tapes on the following basis ONLY: All tapes are on their original 2" video format. The only way to verify the contents is to screen them, thus we will need to pull them from the inventory, ship and transfer them before we are able to verify content and quality. A $500 fee PER TAPE is required when ordering screening material from this collection. This fee is NON-REFUNDABLE. This fee will cover the cost of 2" tape handling, 2" Fed-Ex shipping (2-way) and 2" transfer. PLEASE NOTE THAT MANY SHOWS ARE ON TWO SEPARATE TAPES, THUS IT COULD COST DOUBLE ($1000) TO SCREEN SOME COMPLETE SHOWS. PLEASE UNDERSTAND THAT EVEN IF YOU ORDER A SHOW BASED ON THE CATALOG NUMBER AND TITLE FROM THIS DATABASE WE CANNOT GUARANTEE THAT YOU WILL GET THE TAPE YOU ORDER. THIS IS BECAUSE THROUGH THE YEARS TAPES MAY HAVE BEEN PLACED IN THE INCORRECT CASES AND THE WRITTEN INFORMATION ON THE CASES IS ALL WE HAVE TO ID A TAPE BEFORE IT IS TRANSFERRED. WHILE WE WILL USE ALL EFFORTS TO EXPEDITE YOUR REQUEST, BUT WE CANNOT RUSH THE PROCESS, AND YOU ORDER THESE AT YOUR OWN RISK. IF WE DO NOT LOCATE THE TAPE THERE IS NO CHARGE, BUT IF WE DO AND IT IS REMOVED FROM THE FACILITY FOR TRANSFER, YOU WILL BE RESPONSIBLE FOR THESE NON-REFUNDABLE FEES. THE DAVID SUSSKIND SHOW 1972 - 1973 9/24/72 PART I: SONS & DAUGHTERS-IN-LAW STRIKE BACK RACHELLE, MARSHA, LOUISE, JACK, MELL, JIM 20645 CHICAGO, DC 09/24/72 PART II: THE JOHN BIRCH SOCIETY--IS ALIVE AND WELL? SCOTT STANLEY, GARY ALLEN, CHARLES SMITH, ALAN STANG 20645 CHICAGO, DC 10/01/72 IS A WOMAN'S BODY HER OWN BUSINESS?--THE ABORTION BATTLE DR. ADA RYAN, ANDREW CARLAN, MRS. VIRGINIA MCLAIN, BILL BAIRD, DR. BARBARA ROBERTS, MRS. ELAINE AMENDOLA 20641 CHICAGO 10/08/72 5 WHO TRIED SUICIDE MRS. CLAIRE JOHNSON, JIM GRIFFITH, KAREN BAKER, SANDRA WALKER, PETER FISHER, ANN HARPER 20644 10/15/72 ARABS AND ISRAELIS CONFRONT EACH OTHER OMAR CHAMMA, JOEL MOKYR, SANA HASSAN, MICHAEL HANDEL, NADIM HABRA, SHMUEL HARLAP, GEORGE KHYRALLAH, PNINA LAHAV 21996 10/22/72 PART I: CAN ACUPUNCTURE CURE YOU? ARTHUR SLAVIN, DR. ARTHUR TAUB, DR. SUNG LIAO, DR. FRANK Z. WARREN, MRS. RUTH BROIDO 21973 CHICAGO 10/22/72 PART II: FAT CATS WHO CARE--MULTI MILLIONAIRES W. CLEMENT STONE AND STEWART MOTT W. CLEMENT STONE, STEWART MOTT 21973 CHICAGO 10/29/72 PART I: DROPOUT WIVES WHO RAN AWAY JUDITH ROSSNER, JOYCE, NORMA, PAT 21998 CHICAGO 10/29/72 PART II: CONFESSIONS OF AN EX-SWINDLER ANTHONY DE ANGELIS 21998 CHICAGO 11/05/72 PEEP SHOWS, DIRTY MOVIES, AND MASSAGE PARLORS--PEOPLE WHO RUN THEM BARNARD SACKETT, WAKEFIELD POOLE, MARTIN HODAS, BOB BROWN, MARTIN HODAS, BOB BROWN, MARTIN ROSS PART II: KIERAN O'DOHERTY & ALAN SCHWARTZ 22003 CHICAGO 11/12/72 EVERYTHING YOU WANTED TO KNOW ABOUT THE MAFIA, BUT WERE AFRAID TO ASK! EDWARD J. MCLAUGHLIN, MYLES AMBROSE, NICHOLAS GAGE, PETER MAAS, JOHN IANUZZI, DANIEL P. HOLLMAN 22004 CHICAGO 11/19/72 CATHOLICS AND PROTESTANTS HATING AND KILLING EACH OTHER SHAUN HERRON, FATHER SEAN MCMANUS, SEAMUS O'TUATHAIL, HAMILTON WHYTE, CHARLES REYNOLDS 22001 11/26/72 07/01/73 YOU COULD HAVE HIGH BLOOD PRESSURE--WHAT TO DO ABOUT THIS HIDDEN KILLER DR. ISADORE ROSENFELD, DR. JOHN LARAGH, DR. FRANK FINNERTY, DR. MORTON MAXWELL, MIKE GORMAN 22006 DC 12/03/72 07/22/73 PART 1: THE NEW PROSTITUTES--MASSAGE PARLOR GIRLS MARIE, LINDA, JOE SANTINO 22002 12/02/72 07/22/73 PART II: COPS WHO CRACK DOWN ON PROSTITUTION SERGEANT SIDNEY PATRICK, DEPUTY INSPECTOR JAMES DICKS, LIEUTENANT DON MCWEENEY, PATROLMAN TIMOTHY SULLIVAN, DEPUTY INSPECTOR CHARLES PETERSON, SERGEANT NILS HANSON 22002 12/10/72 08/12/73 BLACKS AND WHITES WHO MARRIED--3 INTERRACIAL COUPLES CEOLA & PETER LOAN, BILL & PAT HAMLET, HARLON & MARLENE DALTON 22005 12/10/72 08/12/73 FED UP CITIZENS SAY NOTHING WORKS AND NOBODY CARES BURTON R. SIMS, LOIS GRIPPO, CORNELIUS DONOVAN, AMON DIGGS, JANE D'AGOSTINO, ARLENE BLICKSILVER 22005 12/17/72 WE WERE SKYJACKED! -- PASSENGERS, PILOTS & STEWARDESSES TELL OF THEIR ORDEAL MADELINE WILLETT, PAUL J.C. FRIEDLANDER, SAM KINCH, JR., CAPTAIN DALE BESSANT, DR. DAVID HUBBARD, M.D., ALEX HALBERSTADT 22011 12/24/72 SHOULD ARIES MARRY VIRGO? ARE LIBRAS LOSERS? -- 6 ASTROLOGERS REVEAL YOUR HOROSCOPE KEITH CLAYTON, CLEO ABUIN, DORIS KAYE, MARIA ELISE CRUMMERE, ALAN OKEN, CHARLES JAYNE 22009 CHICAGO, DC 12/31/72 PART I: THE MAD, MAD WORLD OF FREAK ROCK SYLVESTER (THE HOT BAND), RONN GOEDERT (WHITE WITCH), WAYNE COUNTY (QUEEN ELIZABETH), BILLY JOE WHITE (TEENAGE LUST & THE LUSTETTS) 22012 CHICAGO 12/31/72 PART II: ALL ABOUT WINE SAM AARON, PETER SICHEL, TERRY ROBARDS, GERALD ASHER, ALEXIS BESPALOFF 22012 01/07/73 07/08/73 PART I: DIVORCED, LONELY AND LOOKING FOR A MAN--WOMEN IN THEIR 40s BUNNY BERKE, NATALIE DEUTZ, LOUISE HAY, KATHERINE DOUGLAS, ELIZABETH RUANE 22010 CHICAGO 01/07/73 07/08/73 PART II: A CONVERSATION WITH ANTHONY BURGESS 22010 01/14/73 HOW HIGH IS UP? -- THE BIG BOOM ON WALL STREET MONTE GORDON (DREYFUS CORPORATION), MARSHALL COGAN (HAYDEN STONE), ROBERT H. STOVALL (REYNOLDS SECURITIES, INC.) 22014 01/14/73 YOGA SALLY KIRKLAND, SACHINDRA MAJUMDAR 22014 01/21/73 BREAST CANCER--THE DISEASE WOMEN FEAR MOST! -- WOMEN WHO HAD SURGERY & CANCER SPECIALISTS DR. JEROME URBAN (MEMORIAL HOSPITAL), DR. GEORGE CRILE, JR. (CLEVELAND CLINIC), DR. EZRA GREENSPAN (MOUNT SINAI), MRS. ROSAMOND CAMPION, MRS. TERESE LASSER, SUSAN SCHACK 22013 CHICAGO (T) 01/28/73 CHINA TODAY: 5 AMERICANS WHO'VE BEEN THERE DAVID J. MAHONEY, MRS. SALLY RESTON, ROY ANDRES, DR. VICTOR SIDEL, MICHEL OKSENBERG 22015 CHICAGO 01/28/73 DR. MORTIMER FEINBERG 22015 02/04/73 I WAS A PROSTITUTE, MUGGER AND JUNKIE: THE NIGHTMARE OF BARBARA QUINN 22016 02/04/73 GHETTO PRIESTS FATHER LOUIS GIGANTE (BRONX), FATHER WALTER WALDRON (BOSTON), FATHER DONALD MCILVANE (PITTSBURGH), FATHER JOHN POWIS (BROOKLYN) 22016 02/11/73 09/09/73 HOMOSEXUAL MARRIAGE--MALE & FEMALE COUPLES BARBARA GLICKMAN & SANDY CHERNICK, NANCY JOHNSON & DINAH ROBERTSON, MICHAEL MCCONNELL & JACK BAKER, ERIC & LOUIS 22018 02/18/73 HOW TO STAY YOUNG AND BEAUTIFUL FOREVER DR. MICHAEL M. GURDIN, DR. MICHAEL HOGAN, DR. NORMAN ORENTREICH, DR. DICRAN GOULIAN, JR. , DR. DANIEL L. WEINER 22022 02/18/73 PART II: THE MAKING OF A PSYCHIATRIST--DR. DAVID VISCOTT 22022 02/25/73 PART I: DIVORCED MEN OVER 40 HAVE ALL THE WOMEN THEY WANT CORNELIUS DONOVAN, ED GRAHAM, ALFRED GUSSIN, ALDEN SHUMAN 22019 DC 02/25/73 PART II: VOCTOR GOLD, FORMER PRESS SECRETARY TO VICE PRESIDENT SPIRO AGNEW 22019 DC 03/04/73 06/24/73 PART I: THE SEXUAL FANTASIES OF WOMEN NANCY FRIDAY 22020 CHICAGO 03/04/73 06/24/73 PART II: ARE YOU A COMPULSIVE EATER? -- TRY OVEREATERS ANONYMOUS JOANNEE, PAT, BARBARA, STANLEY, JULIE, JACK 22020 CHICAGO 03/11/73 WOULD YOU WANT YOUR DAUGHTER BRIDGET TO MARRY BERNIE? -- THE BATTLE OVER "BRIDGET LOVES BERNIE" RABBI BALFOUR BRICKNER, STEPHAN LESHER, RABBI ROY A. ROSENBERG, RABBI JACOB HECHT, RABBI EDWIN FRIEDMAN, PROFESSOR LEONARD FEIN 22024 CHICAGO 03/18/73 THE NEW LOOK IN DOCTORS--6 INTERNS DR. AUGUST VALENTI, DR. ROBERT KLAW, DR. HENRY MURRAY, DR. HENRY BORKOWSKI, DR. CHARLES KENNY, DR. EVLIN KINNEY 22023 03/18/73 PART II: A CONVERSATION WITH COMMISSIONER BENJAMIN L. HOOKS 22023 03/25/73 PART I: IS THE ATKINS DIET DANGEROUS? -- DR. ROBERT ATKINS VERSUS THE A.M.A. DR. ROBERT ATKINS, DR. SAMI HASHIM 22025 03/25/73 PART II: THE BRILLIANT WIT OF ANTHONY BURGESS 22025 04/01/73 07/15/73 WHAT'S NEW WITH JACKIE, TEDDY, LIZ, HENRY AND FRANK? -- GOSSIP COLUMNISTS TELL ALL REX REED, JOYCE HABER, LIZ SMITH, JAMES BRADY, KANDY STROUD 22027 CHICAGO 04/08/73 FUNNY THINGS HAPPENED IN THE GOLDEN AGE OF TELEVISION -- 7 WRITERS WHO HAD A BALL PADDY CHAYEFSKY, ROBERT ALAN AURTHUR, LARRY GELBART, SUMNER LOCKE ELLIOTT, N. RICHARD NASH, JP MILLER, TAD MOSEL 22026 04/15/73 PART I: WHY NOT LIVE FOREVER -- FREEZE YOURSELF! GILLIAM CUMMINGS, CURTIS HENDERSON, CLAIRE HALPERT, STANFIELD HILL 22030 CHICAGO 04/15/73 PART II: HOW TO BEAT THE HIGH COST OF EATING HEDY ROSNER, VALERIE SIMONIAN, MARILYN JESSUM, BRIAN O'KANE, SUSAN HEISLER 22030 CHICAGO 04/22/73 07/29/73 MARRIAGE ENCOUNTER -- A CANDID CONVERSATION WITH 4 COUPLES TERRY & ED NOE, TERRY & KING DYKEMAN, VICKI & ALAN GOLDENBERG, BRUCE & DOLORES HERRICK 22031 04/29/73 08/05/73 PART I: CONFESSIONS OF 3 DRUG PUSHERS PREACHER, PANCHO, JOHNNY 22028 CHICAGO 04/29/73 08/05/73 PART II: HERBERT "THE TERRIBLE" DENENBERG 22028 05/06/73 PART I: LOVE, HEALTH AND WEALTH IN THE PALM OF YOUR HAND -- 4 PALMISTS PHYLLIS SAGE, MARCEL BROEKMAN, EDITH NILES, DELLIE DORFMAN 22029 CHICAGO 05/06/73 PART II: YOU COULD HAVE AN ULCER -- 20,000,000 AMERICANS DO DR. HOWARD M. SPIRO, DR. LEO MADOW, DR. HENRY D. JANOWITZ, DR. JAMES L.A. ROTH 22029 CHICAGO 05/13/73 PART I: 36"-24"-36" -- THE LOW DOWN ON THE MISS UNIVERSE CONTEST AMANDA JONES (MISS ILLINOIS), LINDA EAST (MISS MICHIGAN), VIVIAN ANITA CRAIG (MISS NORTH CAROLINA), SGT. STORM HENSLEY (MISS LOUISIANA), REBECCA LYNN BUNKERS (MISS SOUTH DAKOTA), BETTY JO GROVE (MISS MARYLAND), CINDY ARNETT (MISS WASHINGTON), JUDITH ANN GREGORY (MISS MASSACHUSETTS), SHERRY NIX (MISS ARIZONA) 22035 DC 05/13/73 PART II: BELLY DANCING FOR PHYSICAL FITNESS SERENA WILSON, JOANNE KLEIDON, DOROTHY KELLY 22035 05/20/73 08/26/73 MIND READERS, FAITH HEALERS & PSYCHICS WHO TELL THE FUTURE AND TALK TO THE DEAD DAVID HOY, EVELYN MONOHAN, BRYCE BOND, ETHEL DE LOACH, VINCENT RAGONE 22033 05/27/73 PART I; CONFESSIONS OF 5 WORKING STIFFS: WE HATE OUR JOBS PATRICK FENTON, RICKY EISENBERG, DEWEY BURTON, BILL SOLARSKI, MICKEY STELMARK 22034 CHICAGO 05/27/73 PART II: "WHAT'S THE STORY JERRY?" JERRY ROSENBERG, DICK BALCH, RICK EBENSTEIN, ERNIE BOCH 22034 06/03/73 PART I: LADY DRUNKS -- 5 WOMEN FIGHT THE BOTTLE MURIEL, FRANCINE, YVETTE, DIANE, MARJORIE 22032 06/03/73 PART II: LADY DRUNKS - 5 WOMEN FIGHT THE BOTTLE DR. STANLEY E. GITLOW, DR. LECLAIR BISSELL 22032 06/10/73 PART I: WHY DO WOMEN LOOK SO TERRIBLE? -- THE FASHION DISASTER MOLLIE PARNIS, BILL BLASS, ANNE KLEIN, GRACE MIRABELLA, JERRY SILVERMAN, CAROL HORN 22037 06/10/73 PART II: THE LATEST IN BUGGING EQUIPMENT CLYDE WALLACE (THE SPY SHOP) 22037 06/17/73 08/19/73 03/12/78 02/26/84 PART I: I WAS A KILLER FOR THE MAFIA -- CONFESSIONS OF A HIT MAN JOEY 22038 CHICAGO (T), DC 06/17/73 08/19/73 03/12/78 02/26/84 PART II: THE GRAY PANTHERS MARGARET KUHN, HOPE BAGGER, LYDIA BRAGGER, SHUBERT FRYE 22038 DC THE DAVID SUSSKIND SHOW 1973-74 09/23/73 06/30/74 PART I: UNDERGROUND TV IS WILD, WACKY, AND HILARIOUS SUSAN BLONDE, BERT PENCE, TAYLOR MEAD, CANDY DARLING, TINKERBELLE, ALEX BENNETT, NAOMI PAGE, ANTON PERICH 22036 CHICAGO 09/23/73 06/30/74 PART II: SOMETHING FOR THE LONELY WOMAN -- MALE ESCORTS FOR HIRE RICK HENDRIE, TEDRIAN CHIZICK, ERNI ADANO, GUS HEAD, GREGORY SUTTER, CHUCK HOLLAND 22036 09/30/73 WILL CHAPPAQUICCICK SINK TED'S WHITE HOUSE HOPES? -- 6 KENNEDY WATCHERS TOM WICKER, FRANK MANKIEWICZ, MATHEW TROY, ALLARD LOWENSTEIN, FRED DUTTON, JACK NEWFIELD 23204 CHICAGO 10/07/73 06/23/74 PART I: ALL ABOUT DOGS -- EXPERTS SHOW AND TELL DR. FREDERICK TIERNEY, MATTHEW MARGOLIS, DR. JACOB ANTELYES 23205 CHICAGO 10/07/73 06/23/74 PART II: PROFILE OF A MURDERER SENTENCED TO LIFE IN PRISON WARREN KIMBRO 23205 10/14/73 08/11/74 PART I: THE LUCKIEST PEOPLE ALIVE -- MILLION DOLLAR LOTTERY WINNERS JOSEPH ROWEN, MALDEN BLOUGH, PAUL MCNABB, AGNES NOWESKI, RUTH & FRANK DEVITO 23208 10/14/73 08/11/74 PART II: NEVER ON THURSDAY -- MAIDS STRIKE BACK CHERRY FOSTER, CAROLYN REED, ARNETTA CORINGTON, GERALDINE MILLER 23208 10/21/73 PART I: THE PRO FOOTBALL MADNESS -- BETTORS, BOOKIES & FANS PETE AXTHELM, LEM BANKER, NORTON PEPPIS, "FAT" THOMAS 23206 10/21/73 PART II: FOOTBALL "WIDOWS" WHO HATE THE GAME PATTI PEPPIS, LINDA SINGER, BEVERLY NEWMAN 23206 10/28/73 PART I: THE JEWISH-GENTILE MARRIAGE BOOM -- 3 MIXED COUPLES WILBUR & ELEANOR TALISMAN, JOSEPH & LINDA DILIBERTO, JAY & MARIE HARRIS 23203 CHICAGO (T) 10/28/73 PART II: THE TWO LONGEST SURVIVING HEART TRANSPLANT PATIENTS BETTY ANICK, LOUIS B. RUSSELL, JR. 23203 CHICAGO (T) 11/04/73 PART I: IS HE IRRITABLE, TIRED, AND IMPOTENT? -- MAYBE IT'S MALE MENOPAUSE DR. HAROLD LEAR, DR. DAVID REED, DR. DAVID MCWHIRTER, DR. HERBERT S. KUPPERMAN, DR. ISADORE ROSSMAN 23210 11/04/73 PART II: GORE VIDAL ON THE NIXON MESS 23210 11/11/73 MARILYN MONROE: THE LIFE AND DEATH OF A SEX GODDESS -- 5 OF HER CLOSEST FRIENDS INCLUDING ELI WALLACH & JOSHUA LOGAN ELI WALLACH, JOSHUA LOGAN, NORMAN ROSTEN, AMY AND MILTON GREENE 23207 11/18/73 07/21/74 "DID YOU HEAR THE ONE ABOUT...?" -- LOTSA LAUGHS WITH 6 COMEDIANS FREDDIE ROMAN, VIC ARNELL, DICK LORD, DICK CAPRI, JACK EAGLE, MICKEY MANNERS 23209 CHICAGO, DC 11/25/73 PART I: WORLD'S GREATEST JEWEL THIEF ALBIE BAKER 23211 DC 11/25/73 PART II: ARE BLACKS INFERIOR TO WHITES? -- DR. WILLIAM SHOCKLEY & DR. ALVIN POUSSAINT 23211 CHICAGO, DC 12/02/73 WHAT EVER HAPPENED TO SPIRO AGNEW? FRANK VAN DER LINDEN, ROY COHN, PETE HAMILL, JAMES NAUGHTON, JULES WITCOVER, WILLIAM RUSHER 23215 12/09/73 PART I: CONFESSIONS OF A CROOKED COP WILLIAM PHILLIPS 23216 12/09/73 PART II: ANGRY AIRLINE HOSTESSES KAREN EITELBERG, LIZ RICH, CYNTHIA GLACKEN, LYNN SMYDEN, SANDY OSIP 23216 12/16/73 PART I: THE BIG STEAL: SHOPLIFTING BILL LANDRES, JACK BOGASKY, SANDI SUTTON, GEORGE GORRA, ROY MCPOLAND, PETER TRIER 23217 CHICAGO 12/16/73 02/03/74 07/14/74 PART II: CLIVE BARNES -- DRAMA CRITIC, THE NEW YORK TIMES 23217 CHICAGO 12/23/73 PART I: SINGLES SING THE BLUES BUNNY BERKE, IRVING GRUBER, GLORIA BENTLEY, SOL RICHFIELD, BARBARA LEWIS, SCOTT WARNER 23213 DC 12/23/73 PART II: "THE SINGLES BUSINESS" NIC CHRISTOFF, KENNETH ENOCHS, HY STEIRMAN 23213 DC 12/30/73 PART I: SEEN ANY FLYING SAUCERS LATELY? -- THE UFO CONTROVERSY STANTON FRIEDMAN, BETTY HILL, JOHN HEALEY, JOHN FULLER, PHILIP KLASS 23212 12/30/73 PART II: TOP STUDENTS FROM LEADING LAW SCHOOLS 23212 01/06/74 WOULD YOU SLEEP BETTER WITH A FORD IN THE WHITE HOUSE? CONGRESSMAN LAWRENCE J. HOGAN, CONGRESSMAN ELFORD A. CEDERBERG, CONGRESSMAN JOHN CONYERS, JR., JOSEPH L. RAUH, JR., KIERAN O'DOHERTY 23221 CHICAGO 01/06/74 PART II: JESSICA MITFORD 23221 01/13/74 A CONVERSATION WITH DICK CAVETT 23223 CHICAGO 01/20/74 07/07/74 PART I: GIVE 'EM HELL HARRY -- THE TRUMAN NOBODY KNEW MERLE MILLER, ROBERT ALAN AURTHUR 23220 CHICAGO 01/20/74 07/07/74 PART II: THE VITAMIN CRAZE GARY NULL, DR. EMANUAL CHERASKIN, DR. VICTOR HERBERT, MARCELLA KATZ 23220 CHICAGO 01/27/74 THE BEAUTY BUSINESS -- BILLION DOLLAR RIP-OFF? DR. EARLE BRAUER, LINDA SCHOEN, SHIRLEY LORD, BRENDA JOHNSON, DR. JAMES LEYDEN 23214 02/03/74 07/14/74 PART I: WOULD YOU WANT YOUR DAUGHTER TO BE A PRIEST? -- ANGRY WOMEN VERSUS THE CATHOLIC CHURCH FATHER WILLIAM B. SMITH, DR. WILLIAM MARRA, THERESE ICKINGER, CLARA HENNING, WALDA HESS, DR. ROSEMARY RUETHER 23219 02/10/74 WHAT'S NEW WITH LIZ & DICK, JACKIE & ARI, ALI & STEVE, TRICIA & EDDIE, ETC? -- GOSSIP COLUMNISTS TELL ALL REX REED, JOYCE HABER, KANDY STROUD, JAMES BRADY, PATRICK O'HIGGINS 23224 NY (2" NOT COMPLETE), CHICAGO 02/17/74 09/08/74 PART I; "I WAS POSSESSED BY THE DEVIL" -- A TRUE STORY OF EXORCISM THELMA & TOM TADKINS, PHYLLIS VIRTUE SCHLEMMER, JOSEPH DELOUISE, FATHER JOHN BANAHAN, FATHER ARTHUR GIBSON 23226 CHICAGO 02/17/74 09/08/74 PART II: THE HUMOR OF ART BUCHWALD 23226 CHICAGO 02/24/74 HOW COULD IT HAPPEN TO US? -- 5 HEART ATTACK VICTIMS STEPHAN LESHER, CHARLES LUFTIG, LOUIS NARDONE, HAROLD SACKS, LEE MELE, DR. ISADORE ROSENFELD 23228 CHICAGO 03/03/74 07/28/74 HOMOSEXUALS WHO HAVE COME OUT OF HIDING -- GUESTS INCLUDE DOCTORS & TEACHERS DR, HOWARD BROWN, ELAINE NOBLE, PROFESSOR JOSEPH NORTON, DAVID ROTHENBERG, CAROLYN INNES, DR. ADRIENNE SMITH 23227 DC 03/10/74 PART I: KINGPINS OF THE NUMBERS WORLD JAMES LAWSON, BUBBA ROBINSON, SAM, FRANKIE, JOHNNY 23229 03/10/74 PART II: WE LOST OUR SHIRTS ON WALL STREET RITA WEISSFELD, DOM LOSCALZO, RICHARD PLOTKA, DR. SANTO FARINA, HANS REINISH 23229 03/17/74 PART I: WE SERVED A LIFETIME IN PRISON -- 6 EX-CONS RODNEY TAYLOR, JOSEPH YEAMANS, TOMMY IRISH, JOE R RIVENBURGH, MIKE DALAKIAN, PETER GETER 23230 CHICAGO 03/17/74 PART II: "EMPLOYERS OF EX-CONS" CHARLES DOUGLAS AIDES, DAVID LEIBOWITZ, LEONARD RATHE 23230 CHICAGO 03/24/74 08/04/74 FAITH HEALERS DEMONSTRATE THEIR PSYCHIC POWERS ANNA MAE DENTON, ETHEL DE LOACH, CLEM TAMBURRINO, DR. OLGA WORRALL, REV. ALEX HOLMES 23233 03/31/74 PART I: HOW TO MAKE A LOT OF MONEY AND KEEP IT HARRY BROWNE 23231 CHICAGO 03/31/74 PART II: THE LADY IS A COP SHARON KOEHLER, MARYLOU NICHOLS (MIAMI), NONA NELSON, SGT. MARY ELLEN ABRECHT (WASH., D.C.), LT. JOYCE LELAND (WASH., D.C.), ANNMARIE BUTLER, HELEN KNEDLHANS (N.Y.) 23231 CHICAGO 04/07/74 09/15/74 PART I: SEXUAL FANTASIES OF THE AMERICAN MALE -- GUESTS INCLUDE A CALL GIRL AND 2 THERAPISTS JULIE, DR. DAVID REED, DR. WILLIAM SIMON 23232 CHICAGO 04/07/74 09/15/74 PART II: THE REMARKABLE GEORGE FRAZIER 3232 CHICAGO 04/14/74 CANNIBALISM! HOW WE SURVIVED 71 DAYS IN THE ANDES NANDO PARRADO, ROBERTO CANESSA 23235 04/21/74 "OUT OF THEMOUTHS OF BABES" -- KIDS DISCUSS PARENTS, POT, AND POLITICS DAVID NORMAN, MONIQUE JACKSON, ROBERT JOHANSEN, MAUREEN FREEHILL, MERCEDES DIAZ, STEVE SPINOZA, ROBERT NISONOFF, NICO SIDOTI, VANESSA STEIN 23234 04/21/74 PART II: SHOULD SMOKING BE REGULATED? WARREN BRAREN, HORACE KORNEGAY, CONGRESSMAN ED YOUNG, JOHN BANZHAF 23234 CHICAGO 04/28/74 PART I: HE'S NOT A CROOK -- WE STILL LOVE RICHARD NIXON RABBI BARUCH KORFF, W. CLEMENT STONE, ANNA CLINKSCALES, OTHAL BRAND 23239 04/28/74 PART II: HOUSEHOLD HUSBANDS & WORKING WIVES ROBERT KIMMEL SMITH, HAROLD & RRNEE KELVIN, DOUGLAS & SALLY RIDGEWAY 23239 05/05/74 08/18/74 PART I: ADULTERY -- 2 HOUSEWIVES WHO CHEAT MARJORIE, SHIRLEY 23241 05/05/74 08/18/74 PART II: AN EXPOSE OF OLD AGE HOMES DR. MICHAEL MILLER, DAPHNE KRAUSE, VAL HALAMANDARIS, BERKELEY BENNETT 23241 05/12/74 SOME OF MY BEST FRIENDS ARE JEWS -- IS THERE A NEW ANTI-SEMITISM? ARTHUR A. COHEN, ARNOLD FORSTER, DAVID MCREYNOLDS, RICHARD J. WALTON, RABBI ARTHUR HERTZBERG, PADDY CHAYEFSKYN 23243 05/19/74 PART I: DIVORCED & ABANDONED -- P.O.W.'S WHO CAME HOME TO NOTHING CHARLES PLUMB, COL. ROBERT STIRM, DON & ANDREA RANDER, CHARLOTTE CHRISTIAN, LIEUTENANT COMMANDER JAMES BELL 23237 05/19/74 PART II: DESERTERS WHO'VE COME OUT OF HIDING EDDIE MCNALLY, EDDIE SOWDERS 23237 05/26/74 PART I: THE MAKING OF A BEST SELLER JOHN LEONARD, AL SILVERMAN, MARC JAFFE, LYNN NESBIT, ROBERT GOTTLIEB 23246 CHICAGO (T), UCLA 05/26/74 PART II: THE MAD, MAD WORLD OF THE FIRESIGN THEATRE PHIL PROCTOR, PHIL AUSTIN, PETER BERGMAN, DAVID OSSMAN 23246 CHICAGO (T) 06/02/74 08/25/74 PART I: MARLENE DIETRICH, BETTE MIDLER, & MAE WEST -- FEMALE IMPERSONATORS JEAN GUILDA (MARLENE DIETRICH), CLAUDE SACHA (BETTE MIDLER), ARTHUR BLAKE (MAE WEST), BRYAN MURPHY (PEARL BAILEY), J.C. GAYNOR (DIANA ROSS) 23242 06/02/74 08/25/74 PART II: CONFESSIONS OF A HEROIN SMUGGLER RICHARD BERDIN, ROBERT GREENE 23242 06/09/74 THE PRESIDENT'S PRIEST -- FATHER JOHN MC LAUGHLIN FATHER JOHN MC LAUGHLIN 23247 (L.A.) 06/16/74 PART I: WHAT MAKES BERNIE CORNFELD RUN? -- OR, HOW TO BE RICH WITHOUT REALLY TRYING BERNIE CORNFELD 23249 (L.A.) 06/16/74 PART II: WASHINGTON CONFIDENTIAL -- THE PRIVATE LIVES OF PUBLIC PEOPLE MARTIN NOLAN (THE BOSTON GLOBE), AL HUNT (THE WALL STREET JOURNAL), DAN THOMASSON (SCRIPPS-HOWARD), NINA TOTENBERG (NEW TIMES MAGAZINE), JOHN LINDSAY (NEWSWEEK) 23249 THE DAVID SUSSKIND SHOW 1974-75 09/22/74 ARE WE HEADED FOR ANOTHER CRASH? DR. PIERRE RINFRET, ELIOT JANEWAY, JOHN BUNTING, DR. CAROLYN BELL, MARSHALL LOEB, ROBERT LEKACHMAN 25502 09/29/74 08/10/75 PART I: WOMEN ALONE -- DIVORCEES & WIDOWS PAT LOUD, RENE CARPENTER, LYNN CAINE, MERLE SHAIN 25501 CHICAGO 09/29/74 PART II: THE MAD ADVENTURES OF RABBI KORFF RABBI BARUCH KORFF 25501 10/06/74 CAN OUR CITIES BE SAVED? MAYORS KEVIN WHITE, JOSEPH ALIOTO, MOON LANDRIEU, RICHARD HATCHER, ABE BEAME 25503 10/13/74 A CONVERSATION WITH BILL MOYERS BILL MOYERS 25504 CHICAGO 10/20/74 FUMBLERS, BUMBLERS, SOLDIERS, SPIES -- ALL ABOUT THE CIA CONGRESSMAN MICHAEL HARRINGTON, SEYMOUR HERSH, DR. RAY S. CLINE, WILLIAM RUSHER, TAD SZULC 25508 10/27/74 PORTRAIT OF A FUNNYMAN: MILTON BERLE MILTON BERLE 25506 CHICAGO (T), UCLA 11/03/74 PART I: GORE VIDAL ON THE DECLINE & FALL OF AMERICA GORE VIDAL 11/03/74 PART II: AS OTHERS SEE US -- FOREIGN CORRESPONDENTS GITTA BAUER, STEPHEN BARBER, CLAUDE MOISY 11/10/74 07/27/75 PART I: "DEAR ANN LANDERS...I HAVE A PROBLEM" ANN LANDERS 23244 CHICAGO 11/10/74 07/25/75 PART II: HOW TO BE YOUR OWN BEST FRIEND -- DRS. NEWMAN & BERKOWITZ MILDRED NEWMAN, BERNARD BERKOWITZ 23244 CHICAGO 11/17/74 09/14/75 FACING DEATH: A YOUNG MAN WHO HAS SIX MONTHS TO LIVE LARRY & MARIAN BOHNE, ROBERT NEALE, SAMUEL KLAGSBRUN 25513 DC 11/24/74 07/13/75 PART I: THE TRUTH ABOUT FAT FARMS EMILY WILKINS, JAMES VILLAS, KAY THOMAS, SUZANNE PIEROT 23238 DC 11/17/74 07/13/75 PART II: "I AM THE SON OF THE REAL GODFATHER": A CONVERSATION WITH BILL BONANNO BILL BONANNO 23238 DC 12/01/74 SIX SOVIET STUDENTS COMPARE LIFE IN THE U.S. AND THE U.S.S.R. ALEXANDER TSEPELEV, EVGENY KRAMARENKO, ANDREY MALOV, ALEXANDER MARKIN, SERGEY KARMENSKY, IGOR POLUYAN DAVID KUNST 25509 12/08/74 ARE DOCTORS GETTING AWAY WITH MURDER? -- THE MEDICAL MALPRACTICE MESS RONNIE HARRISON, N. CARL SCHWARTZ, DR. BURTON WHITE, DR. GEORGE SAYPOL, DR. CYRIL WECHT, JOHN J. BOWER, ALFRED JULIEN 25505 12/15/74 CAN WE FEED 500 MILLION STARVING PEOPLE DR. JOHN KNOWLES, SARWAR LATEEF, GARRETT HARDIN, ALAN BERG, LESTER BROWN 25512 12/22/74 PART I: THE IRREPRESSIBLE REX REED REX REED 25514 DC 12/22/74 07/20/75 PART II: THE SECRET WORLD OF PLANTS RANDALL FONTES, RICHARD CHAMPION, RALPH SNODSMITH, PROFESSOR ARTHUR GALSTON, PETER TOMPKINS 25514 DC 12/29/74 07/06/75 PART I: THE LAST OF THE MOVIE MOGULS: JOSEPH E. LEVINE JOSEPH E. LEVINE 25515 DC 12/29/74 07/06/75 PART II: THE MEANEST CRITIC IN AMERICA: JOHN SIMON JOHN SIMON 25515 DC 01/05/75 08/24/75 PART I: TO SLEEP, PER CHANCE TO DREAM -- ALL ABOUT INSOMNIA DR. RICHARD BOOTZIN, JUNE FREBERGE, ABRAHAM WEINBERG, RICHARD KAGAN, DR. PETER HAURI 25516 DC 01/05/75 08/24/75 PART II: GROWING OLD IN AMERICA MAE LAUFER, MOLLY POLLAK, JULIA AVERY, MARY KEALTY, SARA RICKARD, CHRISTINE TARATETA 25516 DC 01/12/74 06/29/75 SIX JUDGES DEBATE CRIME AND PUNISHMENT ALPHONSO SEPE, BRUCE WRIGHT, NICHOLAS TSOUCALAS, ALFRED BURKA, CHARLES HALLECK, BURTON ROBERTS 25518 01/19/75 PART I: PROFILE OF A FASCINATING WOMAN: CLARE BOOTHE LUCE CLARE BOOTH LUCE 25507 01/19/75 08/10/75 PART II: SHERLOCK HOLMES IS ALIVE AND WELL NICHOLAS MEYER, JOHN BENNETT SHAW, ALBERT ROSENBLATT, SAM ROSENBERG 25507 CHICAGO 01/26/75 IT'S HELL BEING UNEMPLOYED -- SIX VICTIMS OF THE RECESSION CHARLES GROHE, PAUL JARVIS, ANNE IMHOFF, RICHARD CAMPBELL, MARY LOU BRIGGS, VERNON MCCOY 25520 01/26/75 PART II: EXPERTS LOUIS LEVINE, JAMES FUCHS 25520 02/02/75 08/17/75 PART I: TEEN-AGE CRIMINALS TELL ALL 25517 CHICAGO, DC 02/02/75 08/17/75 PART II: EXPERTS DISCUSS TEEN-AGE CRIMINALS DR. ESTHER ROTHMAN, ASSEMBLYMAN ALFRED DELLIBOVI, DETECTIVE IRWIN SILVERMAN, CHARLES KING 25517 CHICAGO, DC 02/09/75 PART I: NATURAL CHILDBIRTH -- A LABOR OF LOVE DR. IRWIN CHABON, CAROLYN HECHT, ROGER AND CAROL AUGLIERA, JULIE AND TOM CORE 25522 02/09/75 PART II: WILLIAM "FISHBAIT" MILLER WILLIAM "FISHBAIT" MILLER 25522 02/16/75 HAS HENRY KISSINGER OUTLIVED HIS USEFULLNESS SENATOR JACOB JAVITS, JOSEPH KRAFT, ANTHONY LEWIS, DR. ZBIGNIEW BRZEZINSKI 25525 02/23/75 09/07/75 PART I: THE MYSTERY OF THE BERMUDA TRIANGLE JOHN WALLACE SPENCER, CLAES ROOTH, DON HENRY, DAMIAN HOUSMAN, CHARLES BERLITZ 25519 CHICAGO, DC 02/23/75 09/07/75 PART II: THE AGONY OF BEING BLACK IN SOUTH AFRICA JOHN KANI, WINSTON NTSHONA 25519 CHICAGO, DC 03/02/75 IS PSYCHIATRY DEAD -- 6 PSYCHIATRISTS IN HEATED DEBATE DR. NATHAN S. KLINE, DR. SAUL TUTTMAN, DR. E. FULLER TORREY, DR. THEODORE LIDZ, DR. RICHARD M. RESTAK, DR. RAYMOND VEEDER 25526 03/09/75 CAN ARABS AND ISRAELIS LIVE IN PEACE? PART I: EGYPTIAN AMBASSADOR TO THE U.N. DR. ESMAT ABDEL-MEGUID 25533 03/09/75 CAN ARABS AND ISRAELIS LIVE IN PEACE? PART II: AN ISRAELI ANSWER -- DR. SHLOMO AVINERI 25530 03/16/75 PART I: ILLEGAL ALIENS WHO LIVE IN FEAR 25528 03/16/75 PART II: EXPERTS DEBATE DEPORTATION OR AMNESTY FATHER LOUIS GIGANTE, EDWARD KAVAZANJIAN, IRA GOLLOBIN, JAMES BISHOP, ARTHUR FRIEDMAN, NICHOLAS KISBURG 25528 03/23/75 07/27/75 PART I: WHAT GOES ON BEHIND LOCKED DOORS: 12 JURORS DISCUSS THEIR VERDICT JOHN BURDSALL, BUNNY WEISS, HAROLD KEELING, KAREN SEITEL, PHINEAS YOSHIDA, THERESA MORRISON, NED HOPKINS, GLORIA MORALES, MAE JOHNSON, ELICH BUDOVSKY, CHARITY SHACKELFORD, ARTHUR COLLINS 25531 DC 03/23/75 07/27/75 PART II: JOSEPH BURTON -- FORMER SPY FOR THE F.B.I. 25531 DC 03/30/75 06/22/75 PART I: GOD AND THE REVEREND COFFIN AT YALE WILLIAM SLOANE COFFIN, JR. 25529 DC 03/30/75 06/22/75 PART II: DAVID KLEIN - A CONSUMER WHO FIGHTS BACK PROFESSOR DAVID KLEIN 25529 DC 04/06/75 THE DESPERATION OF THE BLACKS REVEREND JESSE JACKSON, MARGARET BUSH WILSON, CONG. RONALD DELLUMS, VERNON JORDAN, JR., BAYARD RUSTIN, JULIAN BOND 25523 04/13/75 PART I: WILLIAM LOEB: THE MAN POLITICIANS FEAR MOST 25532 04/13/75 PART II: A SNEAK PREVIEW OF THE NEW HAMPSHIRE PRIMARY JOHN PERRONI, DAVID BANKS, ROBERT RAICHE, LUCILLE KELLEY, KIM ZACHOS, JERRY CARMEN 25532 04/20/75 PART I: THE INSIDE STORY OF AN ACADEMY AWARD MOVIE: "HEARTS AND MINDS" PETER DAVIS, BERT SCHNEIDER, WALTER GOODMAN 25534 04/20/75 PART II: TRANSCENDENTAL MEDITATION HERBERT MOSS, DENISE DENNISTON, DON PEASE, DR. ALFRED JENKINS, JAMES SINCLAIR, CHARLES DONAHUE 25534 04/27/75 HOW TO FIND A "GOOD" NURSING HOME -- PART I: ELDERLY PEOPLE HAPPY IN THEIR HOMES ANNETTE RUEFF, LORETTA GERARD, DR. RICHARD BLACK, TILLIE LEVY, LENA ROUDA, ANNA WEISS 25533 DC 04/27/75 HOW TO FIND A "GOOD" NURSING HOME -- PART II: NURSING HOME ADMINISTRATORS WHO CARE JACOB REINGOLD, MOTHER M BERNADETTE, PASTOR RICHARD REICHARD, DR. EVERETT LUTHER, REV. HOWARD WASHBURN 25533 DC 05/04/75 PART I: J.F.K. WITHOUT TEARS BENJAMIN BRADLEE 25535 05/04/75 PART II: BUTLERS TELL ALL TONY BECKETT, HENRY BURKE, ERIC BERTENSHAW, LORENZE ARMENDARIZ 25535 05/11/75 PART I: THE P.L.O. OBSERVER TO THE U.N. SAADAT HASAN 25538 05/11/75 PART II: ISRAEL'S NEW AMBASSADOR TO THE U.N.: GEN. CHAIM HERZOG 25538 05/18/75 PART I: KISS & TELL -- THE LIFE AND LOVES OF HELEN LAWRENSON 25536 05/18/75 PART II: FOREIGN MEDICAL STUDENTS RICHARD LANDER, MIKE RITOTA, THOMAS MATRKA, ANDREW WELLMAN, ROBERT BRAUN, JUDY WRIGHT 25536 05/25/75 THE DECLINE & FALL OF RICHARD NIXON -- PART I: THEODORE WHITE 25539 05/25/75 THE DECLINE & FALL OF RICHARD NIXON -- PART II: JIMMY BRESLIN 25539 06/01/75 STOP THE PRESSES: 6 JOURNALISTS CRITICIZE THEIR CRAFT JAMES WECHSLER, PATRICK BUCHANAN, RICHARD POLLAK, NEIL SHEEHAN, PAUL WEAVER, J. ANTHONY LUKAS 25537 06/08/75 CAMPUS '75: CUTTHROAT COMPETITION FOR GRADES -- PART I: STUDENTS FRED WEISS, JOHN MACEY, RICHARD SANDLER, FRAN CARPENTIER, "KIP" EAWLEY, GENE BUCKNER, JONATHAN DAVIS 25524 06/08/75 CAMPUS '75: CUTTHROAT COMPETITION FOR GRADES -- PART II: DEANS DR. ERNEST BUCK, DR. PHILLIP MAYERSON, DR. ELDON NONNAMAKER, ARCHIE EPPS, LEE VERSTANDIG 25524 06/15/75 PART I: A CONVERSATION WITH A CHIMP NIM CHIMPSKY, STEPHANIE LAFARGE, DR. HERBERT TERRACE, DR. GEOFFREY BOURNE 25540 DC 06/15/75 07/20/75 PART II: "THE KIDNAPPING OF THE PRESIDENT" CHARLES TEMPLETON 25540 DC 06/15/75 PART III: 102 YEAR OLD MAN MORTIMER CHESHIRE 25540 DC THE DAVID SUSSKIND SHOW 1975-76 09/21/75 WHO KILLED JOHN F. KENNEDY - PART I DAVID BELIN, WESLEY LIEBELER, JOSIAH THOMPSON, DR. JOHN K. LATTIMER, DR. ROBERT JOLING, ALLARD LOWENSTEIN 26701 DC 09/28/75 WHO KILLED JOHN F. KENNEDY - PART II DAVID BELIN, WESLEY LIEBELER, ALLARD LOWENSTEIN, PETER DALE SCOTT, FRANK MANKIEWICZ 26702 DC 10/05/75 06/20/76 DIVORCED MEN WHO WON CUSTODY OF THEIR CHILDREN JERRY RENKE, RICHARD DAVAMOS, BILL BELICKIS, THOMAS SCHENDORF, DR. PAUL HANSON, ALFRED PASCARELLA 25541 DC 10/05/75 06/20/76 PART II: BILL GERAWAY 25541 DC 10/12/75 ARE EUROPEAN WOMEN DIFFERENT MRS. OSCAR DE LA RENTA, DIANE VON FURSTENBERG, ADELA HOLZER, MAXIME DE LA FALAISE MCKENDRY 25542 10/12/75 PART II: VEGETARIANS FRANCES GOULART, VIRGINIA BELL, HOHN MCMATH, FRANCES MOORE LAPPE, LYNNE SKRESKO, JAY DINSHAH 25542 10/19/75 THE BATTLE OVER BUSING IN BOSTON JANET PALMARILLO, LEON SNEED, BEVERLY LEWIS, QUINCY ALLEN, LUTHER ALLEN, RICHARD LAWS, MRS. R. JOHNNENE, CAROL MURPHY, ROBERT JOHNNENE, MARIE CLARKE, MARY PERRY, MARY FOREMAN 26703 DC 10/26/75 IS ASTROLOGY A FAKE? DR. ZIPPORAH DOBYNS, ROBERT HAND, CHARLES JAYNE, DR. PAUL KURTZ, LAWRENCE JEROME, DR. RICHARD BERENDZEN 26704 11/02/75 06/27/76 PART I: DWARFS -- THE WORLD OF LITTLE PEOPLE GERALD RASA, GINA ZINGARO, CHARLES BEDOW, GEORGE BAEHM, JANET PICKARD 26707 11/02/75 06/27/76 PART II: COLLEGE SUPERSTARS -- 5 POPULAR PROFESSORS JEROME LETTVIN, PETER STANSKY, VINCENT SCULLY, J. ALAN HYNEK, ROBERT GURLAND 26707 11/09/75 08/15/76 TRAMPS & THIEVES? GYPSIES STRIKE BACK PART I: MICHAEL JOSEPH, BARBARA GILK, MANUEL GILK, DINAH GILK, GEORGE GILK, MARY YOFON, DAVID GILK, PAT YOFON 26710 11/09/75 TRAMPS & THIEVES? GYPSIES STRIKE BACK PART II: STEVE, JOHN COSTELLO, GEORGE, NICK 26710 11/16/75 PART I: WHO KILLED HOFFA? FRANK RAGANO 26713 11/16/75 PART II: THE PRIVATE LIVES OF THE RICH AND THE POWERFUL MYRA MCPHERSON, MARILYN BENDER 26713 08/01/76 PART I: LITTLE MICHAEL -- MIRACLES FOR SALE "LITTLE MICHAEL" LORD 26705 CHICAGO 08/01/76 PART II: ADDICTED DOCTORS -- THE BEST KEPT SECRET IN MEDICINE 26705 CHICAGO 11/30/75 PART I: "ON THE TRACK OF MURDER": HOMICIDE DETECTIVES BARBARA GELB, JAMES GRANT, SGT. GERALD MCQUEEN, SGT. RICHARD DAVIES, DET. THOMAS KILCULLEN, DET. JEFF GREENE 26709 11/30/75 PART II: A CONVERSATION WITH ROBERT ALTMAN 26709 12/07/75 PART I: WHO SAYS WOMEN CAN'T BE PRIESTS? REV. JEANETTE PICCARD, REV. LEE MCGEE, REV. BETTY BONE SCHIESS, REV. ALISON PALMER 26711 CHICAGO 12/07/75 PART II: MALE PRIESTS -- THAT'S WHO MRS. EMILY GARDINER NEAL, REV. GEORGE RUTLER, REV. ROBERT TERWILLIGER, MOTHER ELISE 26711 12/14/75 GORE VIDAL ON SEX, POLITICS AND TURNING 50 26716 12/21/75 PART I: WHY WE CAN'T HAVE NEW LIFE SAVING DRUGS: DOCTORS VS. F.D.A. DR. JOHN LARAGH, DR. STEPHEN L. DEFELICE, DR. J. RICHARD CROUT, DR. ROBERT TEMPLE, DR. SIDNEY WOLFE, DR. JAMES HOLLAND 26718 12/21/75 PART II: SHOULD THE RAILROADS BE SUBSIDIZED FRED CURRY, PAUL REISTRUP 26718 01/04/76 PART I: THE BRILLIANT ANTHONY BURGESS 26714 01/04/76 PART II: OLDER WOMEN WITH YOUNGER MEN NICK & BEA UNGARD, RANDY MUDGETT, MYRTIS COLLINS 26714 01/04/76 PART III: CRIME FIGHTER - DENIS DILLON 26714 01/11/76 07/11/76 "OH, YOUR ACHING BACK": HOW TO PREVENT AND CURE BACK PAIN ROBERT HIGGENS, YVONNE LAPPAS, DR. MERVIN RHOADES, DR. LYMAN SMITH, DR. LEON ROOT, DR. HANS KRAUS, DR. ALBERT FINKELSTYNE, DR. KEITH MACELROY 26715 CHICAGO, DC 01/18/76 THE TRUTH ABOUT LYNDON JOHNSON JACK VALENTI, ALLARD LOWENSTEIN 26720 01/25/76 08/29/76 PART I: HOMOSEXUALITY IN PRO FOOTBALL -- DAVE KOPAY 26719 01/25/76 08/29/76 PART II: WE'VE GONE BANKRUPT JUNE RENO, MAURICE ALEVY, RICHARD RUBINO, KAREN KOWALSKI, JUDGE ROY BABITT, JEROME MEYERS, LINN TWINEM 26719 02/01/76 THE HOWARD HUGHES CONNECTION: WHAT WATERGATE WAS ALL ABOUT J. ANTHONY LUKAS, TERRY LENZNER, HANK GREENSPUN 26723 02/08/76 PART I: MARION JAVITS TALKS ABOUT MARION JAVITS 26721 02/08/76 PART II: THE NEW MILLIONAIRES BOB GUCCIONE, DAVID BROWN 26721 02/15/76 09/12/76 PART I: LOAN SHARKS REVEAL THEIR DIRTY BUSINESS JACK, SAL 26717 CHICAGO, DC 02/15/76 09/12/76 PART II: VICTIMS OF LOAN SHARKS BERNIE PALMER, JERRY, GEORGE IRWIN 26717 CHICAGO, DC 02/22/76 08/08/76 PART I: WE'VE SEEN THE LOCH NESS MONSTER DR. ROBERT RINES, ROY P. MACKAL, CHARLES WYCKOFF, ISAAC BLONDER 26722 02/22/76 08/08/76 PART II: EX-CONS DEBATE GUN CONTROL GARLAND LANIER, JOE YEAMENS, JOE SULLIVAN, BOB DAVIS, BURR LEYSON 26722 02/29/76 PART I: JACK ANDERSON REVEALS THE LOVE LIFE OF J.F.K. 26725 02/29/76 PART II: A CONVERSATION WITH WYATT COOPER 26725 03/07/76 THE SELLING OF A PRESIDENT 1976 FRED DUTTON, FRANK MANKIEWICZ, JOHN SEARS, ROBERT KEEFE, F. CLINTON WHITE 26726 03/14/76 PART I: WHY THE RICH GET A KICK FORM COCAINE JOHN CUSACK, DR. ROBERT DUPONT, RICHARD ASHLEY, RICHARD WOODLEY 26724 CHICAGO 03/14/76 PART II: A CONVERSATION WITH JONATHAN KOZOL 26724 CHICAGO 03/21/76 07/25/76 THE EST WAY TO HAPPINESS AND SUCCESS EST GRADUATES 26728 DC 03/28/76 PART I: IS EST GOOD FOR YOU? LUKE RHINEHART, JESSE KORNBLUTH, ADELAIDE BRY, CARL FREDERICK 26729 DC 03/28/76 PART II: UNWED TEENAGE MOTHERS NAOMI, LINDA, LYDIA, RENEE, CYNTHIA, MIRIAM, SUSAN 26729 DC 03/28/76 PART III: A CONVERSATION WITH JERRY RUBIN 26729 04/04/76 ADOPTEES WHO FOUND THEIR MOTHERS ELEANOR KAY, CRYSTAL HOLJES, ELLEN TURNER, FRAN BLANKENSTEIN, HOLLY CABOT, YODY WORCESTER, KATRINA MAXTONE-GRAHAM, CHARLES LEVENSOHN, MRS. ZORAH BUCHTMAN, LINDA TRAUM 26730 DC 04/11/76 UNFIT DOCTORS, UNNECESSARY SURGERY -- THE MEDICAL CRISIS DR. WILLIAM NOLEN, DR. MAX PARROTT, DR. WILLIAM STAHL, DR. MARVIN BELSKY, DR. MICHAEL HALBERSTAM 26727 04/18/76 07/04/76 RAPE, ROBBERY AND ASSAULT IN OUR SCHOOLS IRVING WITKIN, LINDA SADUR, WILLIAM BELL, GAIL RAE HORN, JOSEPH SHERMAN, BRUCE CARR 26733 04/18/76 07/04/76 PART II: POLISH-AMERICANS STANLEY KOKOSKA, TED MALISZEWSKI, EUGENE KUSIELEWICZ, MAGDA RATASKI 26733 04/25/76 WIFE BEATING -- 6 BATTERED WOMEN PAM, DIANE, RUTH, CAREY, CINDY, SALLY, KATY 26731 DC 04/25/76 PART II: EXPERTS DISCUSS BATTERED WOMEN DR. RICHARD GELLES, DR. ERIKA FREEMAN, DR. MURRAY STRAUS, MARJORY FIELDS 26731 DC 05/02/76 YOU CAN HARDLY AFFORD TO DIE ANYMORE JOHN KASTING, JOHN CURRAN, BURTON HIRSCH, MARIAN LIGON, BARBARA KRONMAN, VAL WASHINGTON, RAYMOND ARVIO, BECKY COHEN 26734 CHICAGO, DC 05/02/76 PART II: ADLAI STEVENSON REMEMBERED -- JOHN BARTLOW MARTIN 26734 DC 05/09/76 07/18/76 SOVIET JEWS TELL WHY THEY LEFT RUSSIA YURI BROKHIN, DR. LEONID TARASSUK, VALERY KUHARETZ, HELENA SHALAMOV, DR. IRENE GUNTHER 26732 DC 05/09/76 07/18/76 PART II: NARCOLEPSY - THE URGE TO SLEEP WILLIAM BAIRD, DR. CHARLES POLLAK, DR. WILLIAM DEMENT, JEAN LYMAN, GENE RALSTON, MARY REID 26732 DC 05/16/76 08/22/76 PART I: "STRAIGHT LIB" STRIKES BACK RICHARD, PETER, RITA, JOAN, BOB 26735 DC 05/16/76 08/22/76 PART II: CAMPUS QUEENS KAREN DAVIS, JANE WERTZ, ANDREA FOXE, NANCY WHITE 26735 DC 05/16/76 08/22/76 PART III: CLEANING WOMEN EDNA RADIGAN, DARLENE WILLIS, MELBA TONGE, MIRIAM BLUE 26735 DC 05/23/76 FACE TO FACE CONFRONTATION BETWEEN AN ISRAELI AND A P.L.O. SPOKESMAN YOSEF TEKOAH, IBRAHIM ABU-LUGHOD 26736 DC 05/30/76 IS SOCIAL SECURITY GOING BROKE? ROBERT TILOVE, IRWIN SCHIFF, BERT SEIDMAN, WARREN SHORE, NELSON CRUIKSHANK 26738 DC 05/30/76 PART II: AN UNAUTHORIZED LOOK AT NELSON ROCKEFELLER SAM ROBERTS, MICHAEL KRAMER 26738 DC 06/06/76 NEW BREAKTHROUGHS IN THE WAR AGAINST CANCER DR. JAMES HOLLAND, DR. JORDAN GUTTERMAN, DR. NORMAN JAFFE, DR. DONALD MORTON, DR. VINCENT DEVITA, JR.26740 DC 06/13/76 HOW TO BEAT THE BLUE COLLAR BLUES DR. SIDNEY HARMAN, DR. MICHAEL MACCOBY, IRVING BLUESTONE, ARTHUR MCCARVER, LILLIE GATEWOOD, AUGUSTA HOWARD 26741 DC 06/13/76 PART II: FRANK MUIR 26741 DC THE DAVID SUSSKIND SHOW 1976-77 09/19/76 PART I: HOPELESS AND DESPERATE: BLACK UNEMPLOYMENT 27801 DC 09/19/76 PART II: COMMUNITY WORKERS DONALD MORRIS, ROSEMARIE HARRIS, FREDERICK JONES, SANDY KOONTZ, HERBERT CROSSMAN 27801 DC 09/26/76 07/03/77 PART I: HOW TO COPE WITH JET LAG DR. JAMES CRANE, MARIAN KARPEN, WILLIAM HOOVER, HARVEY SCHEIN, EVA MAKITALO, CAPT. ROD GILSTRAP 27802 DC 09/26/76 07/03/77 PART II: WHITHER THE WEATHER: THE ALARMING CHANGES IN OUR CLIMATE LOWELL PONTE, DR. STEPHEN SCHNEIDER, DR. REID BRYSON 27802 10/03/76 PART I: IS COLLEGE NECESSARY ANYMORE? HENRY SCHUYLER, LEON BOTSTEIN, FRED WHITEHEAD, DR. J. HERBERT HOLLOMON, DR. JOHN SILBER, STEVEN FISCHER 27803 10/03/76 PART II: CHINA AFTER MAO: A CONVERSATION WITH HAN SUYIN 27803 10/10/76 06/19/77 ARE WE WINNING THE ARE AGAINST HEART ATTACKS? DR. MICHAEL DEBAKEY, DR. ISADORE ROSENFELD 27804 DC 10/17/76 FAMILIES IN TROUBLE: CONFRONTATION BETWEEN PARENTS AND CHILDREN JOE GAULD, EDWARD LEGG 27806 CHICAGO 10/24/76 THE MAFIA-CIA CONNECTION WITH NORMAN MAILER, ROBERT SAM ANSON, NICHOLAS GAGE, HARRY ROSITZKE 27807 10/31/76 08/14/77 11/06/77 SUPER SLEUTHS: PRIVATE EYES REVEAL THEIR SECRETS FRED OTASH, JERRY MCAWARD, MIKE PASCAL, FRED RAYNE, DAVID FREENBERG, IRWIN BLYE 27809 CHICAGO, DC 11/07/76 06/26/77 12/31/78 RE-INCARNATION -- IS THERE LIFE AFTER DEATH DICK SUTPHEN, RUTH MONTGOMERY, GINA CERMINARA, HUGH LYNN CAYCE 26737 CHICAGO, DC 11/14/76 PART I: HELL NO! WE DIDN'T VOTE FOR PRESIDENT HOWARD SINGER, MARY PRITZ, WILLARD ESPY, LARRY SHERMAN, ANN WEBSTER MARVEL, WILLIAM SLATTERY 27808 11/14/76 PART II: CONVERSATION WITH A 100 YEAR OLD MAN MR. AND MRS. RODNEY JONES 27808 11/21/76 CARTER VERSUS FORD -- DID THE MEDIA PLAY FAIR? ELIE ABEL, THOMAS VAIL, EDWARD KOSNER, MICHAEL DANN, FREDERICK TAYLOR, BURNS ROPER 27810 11/28/76 07/24/77 PART I: THE NAZI NEXT DOOR -- WAR CRIMINALS HIDING IN THE U.S.A. CHARLES ALLEN, VINCENT SCHIANO, SAM BERNSEN, JOHN BARRY, HOWARD BLUM, ANTHONY DEVITO 27811 DC 11/28/76 07/24/77 PART II: WHAT THE GOVERNMENT IS DOING ABOUT IT CONGRESSMAN JOSHUA EILBERG, CONGRESSWOMAN ELIZABETH HOLTZMAN 27811 DC 12/05/76 PART I: PEPSI COLA & SOYBEANS -- DOING BUSINESS WITH THE RUSSIANS DWAYNE ANDREAS, DONALD KENDALL 27812 12/05/76 PART II: AMERICANS WHO'VE LIVED IN RUSSIA LEONA & JERROLD SCHECTER, ALAN ZEITHAMER, WILLIAM DYESS 27812 10/23/76 12/12/76 07/31/77 PART I: THIS SHOW COULD SAVE YOUR LIFE -- HOW TO RESCUE A HEART ATTACK VICTIM? DR. JOSEPH ORNATO, FRED HEWITT, GERARD CASE, EDWARD FRIEDMAN 27805 DC 12/12/76 07/31/77 PART II: ARE WE CHANGING OUR DRINKING HABITS? JAMES VILLAS, MARK KELLER, PATRICK CAMPBELL, MARVIN SHANKEN, CHARLES BURCK, KIRKE WALSH 27805 DC 01/30/77 "IS IT TRUE WHAT THEY SAY ABOUT DIXIE?" TOM WICKER, SHELDON HACKNEY, A.J. COOPER, WILLIAM EMERSON, BRANDT AYERS, BETTY TALMADGE, BARRY BINGHAM 27820 02/06/77 THE TRUTH ABOUT SPORTS -- FUNNY, GLAMOROUS, AND SEEDY RED SMITH, DAN JENKINS, DICK SCHAAP, MORRIE SIEGEL, DAVE ANDERSON PETE AXTHELM 27821 02/13/77 NEVER AGAIN -- THE BITTER LEGACY OF VIET NAM WILLIAM COLBY, DAVID HALBERSTAM, GLORIA EMERSON 27823 02/20/7 08/21/77 PART I: THE BARE FACTS ABOUT BALDNESS JERRY DELLA FEMINA, KENNETH BATTELLE, ROBERT TEMLIAK, ELLIOT NONAS, DENIS LAMARSH, DR. JAY BARNETT 27824 CHICAGO, DC 02/20/77 08/21/77 PART II: GET THE COCKROACHES OUT OF YOUR HOME ALICE GRAY, NORMAN COOPER, RICHARD ELDREDGE, NORMAN GOLDENBERG 27824 CHICAGO, DC 02/27/77 07/17/77 GIVE 'EM DEATH? THE BATTLE OVER CAPITAL PUNISHMENT JUDGE BURTON ROBERTS, ROBERT LEONARD, BRYANT HUFF, MORRIS DEES, SENATOR JOHN RUSSO, JOE FREEMAN BRITT 27826 DC 03/06/77 08/07/77 PART I: SINGLES IN THE SUBURBS LINDA NARD, JEFF BEAL, SARA HUDSON, KELLY EMMONS, ED ZEIDNER, JACQUE DEJOHN, GENE MIKOLS, KITTY GREENSETIN. 27827 DC 02/22/77 03/06/77 08/07/77 PART II: REGGAE MUSIC TIMOTHY WHITE, MICHAEL COOPER, STEPHEN COORE, PERRY HENZELL, BARBARA GLOUDON, MAX ROMEO, BRETT ALEXANDER 27827 DC 03/01/77 03/13/77 09/11/77 05/27/79 PART I: CONVERSATION WITH A PIMP TOM 27829 CHICAGO 03/01/77 03/13/77 09/11/77 05/27/79 PART II: THE PIMP SQUAD SERGEANT GEORGE TRAPP, JOHN MCMORMICK, ARTIE STOECKER, EDWARD MILLER, RICHIE CONFORT 27829 CHICAGO 02/12/77 03/20/77 HOW TO GET RID OF YOUR HEADACHES A. PATIENTS - JOELLA CRAMBLIT, BEN SMITH, JAMES ANDERSON, SHERRY HUBER B. EXPERTS - DR. DAVID CODDON, DR. SEYMOUR DIAMOND, DR. CHARLES DEMIRJIAN, DR. WALTER CASKEY 27825 DC 03/08/77 03/27/77 GORE VIDAL UNCENSORED 27832 03/02/77 03/11/77 04/03/77 TEENAGE MUGGERS CONFESS A. MUGGERS: JOHN, BILL, MIKE, PETER SAVAGE, MICHELLE, TOM, GENE B. BLACK KIDS WHO'VE MADE IT: CARLOS GRIFFITH, VERNICE MILLER, GEORGE O'NEAL LYONS, VIETTA JOHNSON, ROBERT HARPER 27830 DC 03/11/77 04/10/77 DON'T GET SICK IN AMERICA -- THE RUNAWAY COST OF MEDICAL CARE DR. MILES GALIN, DR. JAMES G. HAUGHTON, DR. MARTIN CHERKASKY, DR. C. ROLLINS HANLON, WALTER J. MCNERNEY, CONGRESSMAN ANDREW MAGUIRE 27833 DC 03/01/77 04/17/77 PART I: YOU SHOULD MEET STUDS TERKEL 27828 03/02/77 04/17/77 PART II: JEWS WHO'VE BECOME CATHOLICS & OTHER CONVERTS TOBY STEIN, ALBERT SIMON, PAUL MAYER, CLARE ROSEN, BEVERLY SPERRY 27828 04/19/77 04/24/77 TERRORISTS: HOSTAGES, POLICE AND THE MEDIA A. LIEUTENANT FRANK BOLZ, LARRY HABER, ANTHONY COOPER, JULIE HARSTON, DR. FREDERICK HACKER, BERNARD SIMON B. ROBERT MACNEIL, EUGENE METHVIN, JAMES HOGE, BERNARD JOHNPOLL, PAT POLILLO 27834 04/20/77 05/01/77 PART I: HOW CHILDREN FEEL ABOUT THEMSELVES AND THE WORLD AROUND THEM KARA ZAITZ, JEREMIAH AND JOSHUA COHEN, CLAUDE BROOKS, AISSIA RICHARDSON, MATTHEW NEWTON, ORIANA ZILL, POLLY ERICKSEN, PETER BURRIS, ADAM MICHAELS 27835 04/20/77 05/01/77 PART II: EXPERTS ON CHILD BEHAVIOR DR. LEE SALK, DR. NICHOLAS ZILL, PEGGY CHARREN 27835 DC 04/26/77 05/08/77 PART I: WE'VE COME A LONG WAY: WOMEN MOVIE MAKERS NANCY DOWD, BARBARA KOPPLE, ELEANOR PERRY, JOAN MICKLIN SILVER 27836 04/26/77 05/08/77 PART II: A CONVERSATION WITH JOHN CHEEVER 27836 05/03/77 05/15/77 PART I: WHERE THE BEAUTIFUL PEOPLE EAT PEARL WONG, ARMANDO ORSINI, PAUL KOVI, SHELDON TANNEN, WALLY GANZI, WARNER LEROY 27838 05/03/77 05/15/77 PART II: ARE WE A NATION OF JUNK FOOD JUNKIES? JOHN HESS, MIMI SHERATON, MARVIN HEAPS, DAVID SISK, WEXLER, CALVIN TRILLIN 27838 05/17/77 05/22/77 YOU CAN SURVIVE A PLANE CRASH -- HERE'S HOW A. SURVIVORS: ALAN BRESLAU, JANET MACAA, DICK SMITH, SARAH UZZELL B. EXPERTS: JAMES O. ROBINSON, HARRY ROBERTSON, CAPT. RAY GERBER, CAPT. J.D. SMITH, RICHARD WITKIN, CHARLES O. MILLER, NORMAN COUSINS 27837 DC 05/20/77 05/29/77 THE BIG BOOM ON BROADWAY ALEXANDER COHEN, DAVID MAMET, ZELDA FICHANDLER, HAROLD PRINCE, ANTHONY PERKINS, CLIVE BARNES 27840 DC 05/24/77 06/05/77 WE STILL LIKE NIXON: THREE DIEHARDS BRUCE HERSCHENSOHN, HENRY CASHEN, ARAM BAKSHIAN 27841 DC 07/10/77 PART I: THE CAT'S MEOW -- SEVEN FELINES AND THEIR OWNERS JOAN BREARLEY, DR. ALFRED GROSSMAN, BILL WIELER, JUDY FIREMAN, LINDA WORTHINGTON 27815 CHICAGO, DC 07/10/77 PART II: DR. HERBERT BENSON AND "THE RELAXATION RESPONSE" 27815 CHICAGO, DC 08/28/77 PART I: MISTRESSES ANNONYMOUS BARBARA CONDOS, MELISSA SANDS 27842 DC 08/28/77 PART II: HITLERMANIA: OUR FASCINATION WITH THE NAZIS DR. ROBERT JAY LIFTON, ROBERT G.L. WAITE, DR. LOUIS SNYDER, JOHN TOLAND, DR. WILLIAM SHERIDAN ALLEN, DR. HENRY TURNER, TIM MASON 27842 DC THE DAVID SUSSKIND SHOW 1977-78 06/07/77 09/18/77 PART I: SHAPE-UP AMERICA -- THE PHYSICAL FITNESS EXPLOSION DR. HERMAN HELLERSTEIN, DR. NORBERT SANDER, KATHERINE SWITZER, DR. PAUL MILVY 27843 DC 05/31/77 09/18/77 PART II: CONFESSIONS OF THREE WHITE COLLAR CRIMINALS JOE BRISBOIS, JACKIE BUTNER, BILL SCHONOWSKI 27843 05/17/77 09/25/77 WE'RE MAD AS HELL -- SECRETARIES STRIKE BACK PAT FITZGERALD, JUDITH RINK, RENEE LORD, TESSA GEORGE, MARGIE ALBERT, JUDI FREEMAN 27839 CHICAGO, DC 06/07/77 09/25/77 FORMER SECRETARIES CHARLOTTE JONES, PAULA HUGHES 27839 CHICAGO, DC 09/21/77 10/02/77 WHO WAS LEE HARVEY OSWALD? JACK ANDERSON, ROBERT SAM ANSON, DAVID PHILLIPS, ROBERT GEMBERLING, JONES HARRIS, PETER DALE SCOTT 29201 09/24/77 10/09/77 PART I: THIN IS IN RAYSA BONOW, BLAIR SABOL, ROBERT L. GREEN, DR. MARCI GREENWOOD 29203 CHICAGO (T) 10/01/77 10/09/77 PART II: SUCCESS -- LOOKING OUT FOR #1 DR. WAYNE DYER, ROBERT J. RINGER, MICHAEL KORDA, JANE TRAHEY 29203 CHICAGO (T) 10/01/77 10/16/77 06/25/78 PART I: MAFIA INFORMERS -- NO PLACE TO HIDE FRED GRAHAM, EDWIN STIER, JAMES DRUKER, MARVIN EVANS, HERB HARWOOD 29202 CHICAGO 09/24/77 10/16/77 06/25/78 PART II: TODAY'S WORLD OF ROCK DAVE MARSH, JOHN ROCKWELL, DEE ANTHONY, JOHNNY WINTER, GEORGE FRAYNE aka COMMANDER CODY 29202 10/08/77 10/23/77 06/18/78 PART I: HYPNOSIS CURES: DOCTORS AND PATIENTS DEMONSTRATE DR. ERNEST ROCKEY, DR. BARBARA DEBETZ, DR. HERBERT SPIEGEL, DR. DAVID SPIEGEL, DR. JEFFREY TARTE, D.D.S., CHARLES SNYDER, MARJORIE STRIDER, ELYCE ENGLAND, HERBERT KLIEGERMAN, SANDRA BEHRMAN 29204 CHICAGO, DC 10/29/77 10/30/77 PART I: "TORTURE AND MURDER -- THE HUMAN RIGHTS DEBATE" AMBASSADOR ALLARD LOWENSTEIN, CONGRESSMAN PHILIP CRANE, REVEREND WILLIAM SLOANE COFFIN, JR., DR. FRED WARNER NEAL 29207 10/29/77 10/30/77 PART II: THE WORLD OF ADVERTISING GEORGE LOIS, BOB GIRALDI, GENE FEDERICO 29207 10/19/77 11/13/77 PART I: CELEBRITY WATCHING -- JACKIE, BARBRA, REDFORD AND FARRAH TOO! RICHARD B. STOLLEY, LIZ SMITH, ALBIN KREBS, REX REED, JAMES BRADY 29206 10/19/77 11/13/77 PART II: BETTING ON SPORTS -- TOUTS AND TIPSTERS RICHARD BOMZE, GREG PELLINI, JULIUS "GAFFNEY" SCHANZER, JIM FEIST 29206 10/15/77 11/20/77 PART I: ALL ABOUT SEX THERAPY DR. HELEN SINGER KAPLAN, M.D., DR. JOSEPH LOPICCOLO, PH. D., DR. MAJ-BRITT ROSENBAUM, M.D., DR. BENJAMIN SADOCK, M.D., DR. VIRGINIA SADOCK, M.D., ROBERT KOLODNY, M.D. 29205 CHICAGO 10/15/77 11/20/77 PART II: CHILDREN OF THE HOLOCAUST JODY CUKIER, JACOB FRUCHTMAN, ABRAHAM KRIEGER, CHAIM ZLOTOGORSKY, DIANA WYSHOGROD ZLOTOGORSKY 29205 *11/12/77 11/27/77 09/10/78 02/10/85 TALK SHOW HOSTS SPEAK OUT -- DICK CAVETT, PHIL DONAHUE AND STANLEY SIEGEL 29210 CHICAGO (T), DC (copy @ NY TV MUSEUM) 11/05/77 12/04/77 PART I: IS THERE TOO MUCH SEX AND VIOLENCE ON TELEVISION? ALFRED R. SCHNEIDER, DR. FOY VALENTINE, JIM KARAYN, VAN GORDON SAUTER, DR. EVERETT C. PARKER 29208 DC 11/05/77 12/04/77 04/29/79 PART II: THE NEW BREED OF IMMIGRANT -- RICH AND GLAMOROUS JACLINE MAZARD, JOHN RICHARDSON, COUNTESS MARINA DE BRANTES, BARNEY GOODMAN, MARIAN SCHIANO 29208 CHICAGO, DC 11/12/77 12/11/77 PART I: "WHITES NEED NOT APPLY" -- THE FIGHT OVER REVERSE DISCRIMINATION ARNOLD FORSTER, PAUL J. ASCIOLLA, CONG. JOHN CONYERS, JOSEPH L. RAUH 29209 DC 11/19/77 12/11/77 PART II: THE WHISTLE BLOWERS RALPH STAVINS, DR. ANTHONY MORRIS, ERNIE FIRZGERALD, DR. STANLEY MAZALESKI, FRED KISTLER 29209 DC 11/30/77 12/18/77 "DOES THE BIRTH CONTROL PILL KILL?" DR. NATALEE S. GREENFIELD, JAMES LUGGEN, HEIDI EVANS, ILA COOPER, BARBARA SEAMAN, HOWARD SHAPIRO, M.D., EDWIN ORTIZ, M.D., BEN-ZION TABER, M.D., MELVIN TAYMOR, M.D. 29213 12/17/77 12/25/77 07/09/78 OUR HOUSES ARE HAUNTED -- SPIRITS, PHANTOMS AND TRUE GHOST STORIES JAY ANSON, ARNOLD COPPER, FRED MOORE, BETTY MOORE, DR. JOHN FRANK, SUSAN C. GIGLIO, EDWARD WARREN, LORRAINE WARREN, FR. ALPHONSUS TRABOLD, OFM, DR. ALEX THOMAS 29217 CHICAGO, DC 12/07/77 01/08/78 PART I: ARE CRIMINALS BORN OR MADE? DR. STANTON SAMENOW, WILLIAM HELLERSTEIN, MEL RIVERS, DR. EMANUEL HAMMER, JOSEPH BORKIN, JOEL KLEIN 29214 12/07/77 01/08/78 PART II: HOW TO SAVE YOUR TEETH FRANK BOWYER, D.D.S., JERRY LYNN, D.D.S., DAVID SCOTT, D.D.S., STANLEY BEHRMAN, D.S.S. 29214 12/10/77 01/15/78 PART I: RUSSIAN SPIES ARE EVERYWHERE -- THE TRUTH ABOUT THE KGB JOHN BARRON, JACK FISHMAN, LEW NAVROZOV, HARRY ROSITZKE 29215 11/19/77 01/15/78 PART II: WEST POINT GOES COED JOAN ZECH, DIANE HAASE, KATHY ANN WILDEY 29215 01/21/78 01/22/78 PART I: FEELING DEPRESSED? -- HOW TO OVERCOME IT MYRNA WEISSMAN, PH.D., HELEN DEROSIS, M.D., RONALD FIEVE, M.D., AARON BECK, M.D. PATIENTS: HILDA ROBBINS, RAYMOND GUMBRECHT, NANCY SMITH, MICHAEL BAVAR 29221 CHICAGO 12/10/77 01/22/78 PART II: SECOND LADY AT THE WHITE HOUSE -- PRESIDENTIAL ASSISTANT MIDGE COSTANZA MIDGE COSTANZA 29221 01/14/78 01/29/78 HOUSE-HUSBANDS, LONG-DISTANCE MARRIAGE, AND OTHER LOVING COUPLES BURT WOLF, LINDA HOWARD, TUCKER CLARK, JAMES & LINDA FOX, LANA SKIRBALL, ANTHONY COLLIS 29219 CHICAGO 01/14/78 01/29/78 PART II: DR. ROBER LIBBY, DR. ROBERT RYDER, NENA O'NEILL 29219 01/07/78 02/05/78 07/30/78 01/07/79 THE FUNNIEST WOMEN AROUND -- ANNE MEARA, JANE CURTIN, MARILYN SOKOL AND OTHERS COMEDIANS: ANNE MEARA, JANE CURTIN, ZORA RASMUSSEN, REBECCA REYNOLDS, NANCY PARKER, MARILYN SOKOL 29216 DC 01/21/78 02/05/78 01/07/79 THE FUNNIEST WOMEN AROUND - PART II WRITERS: DEANNE STILLMAN, ANNE BEATTS, MARILYN MILLER, ROSIE SHUSTER 29216 DC 01/28/78 02/12/78 09/17/78 PART I: HOMOSEXUALS VS. COPS: A CONFRONTATION GAYS: DAVID ROTHENBERG, GREGORY NORRIS, ALAN BELL, JEREMY WEISS, NICK BOLLMAN COPS: JOHN TOBACCO, IGNATIUS SCLAFANI, FRANK ODESSA, STEVEN BERVINE, JOHN CODIGLIA 29222 CHICAGO, DC 01/28/78 02/12/78 09/17/78 PART II: THE HORROR OF MEXICAN PRISONS PRISONERS: DWIGHT WORKER, DAVID SEIGLINGER, DAVID ALSOP, CONGRESSMAN FORTNEY STARK, ROBERT HENNEMEYER 29222 DC 01/07/78 02/19/78 PART I: YOUR SMOKE GETS IN MY EYES - THE BATTLE OVER SMOKING JACOB J. MEYER, CHARLES MORGAN, JR., RHODA NICHTER, WILLIAM DWYER, PETER GEORGIADES, ETHEL GOLDBERG 29218 CHICAGO, DC 12/17/77 02/19/78 PART II: A CONVERSATION WITH LEO ROSTEN 29218 DC 02/11/78 02/26/78 07/23/78 04/29/79 PART I: OUR WIVES BEAT US UP -- CONFESSIONS OF THREE BATTERED HUSBANDS VICTIMS: MICHAEL FRENCH, JOHN, BOB EXPERTS: ROGER LANGLEY, PAULETTE OWENS, JAMES WALSH 29224 CHICAGO, DC 02/11/78 02/26/78 07/23/78 PART II: BOBBY HALPERN - A REAL LIFE ROCKY BOBBY HALPERN, CHARLIE CASERTA 29224 CHICAGO, DC 02/08/78 03/05/78 07/02/78 SATURDAY NIGHT FEVER - THE REAL TONY MANEROS DISCO: VICTOR MEDINA, CARMEN PISANI, JODY OLIVER, GENE ROBINSON, CHUCK RUSINAK, SUSAN RAINONE, DIANE LUDWIG, ALEX MARCHAK SOLO INTERVIEW: STEVE RUBELL BALLROOM: DON DENATALE, OLGA VARVARO, NORMA MCLAIN STOOP, NICK PARNELL, JOHN LUCHESE, NANCY BRECKER LEEDS, ALAN & JOSEPHINE HALL TAP: HOWARD "SANDMAN" SIMS, CHUCK GREEN, BUNNY BRIGGS 29223 CHICAGO, DC 02/25/78 03/19/78 MORRIS UDALL -- THE MAN WHO SHOULD BE PRESIDENT CONGRESSMAN MORRIS UDALL 29225 03/11/78 03/26/78 08/13/78 PART I: SHOW BIZ KIDS AND STAGE MOTHERS CHILDREN: SUZANNE FIERO, DAWN WALKER, DAVID REED, MONICA WOLFF, TINA FOX, WAYNE HARDING, GLYNIS BIG, JUSTIN FREIMAN, MISSY HOPE PARENTS: ANINA REED, LOIS FREIMAN, BETTE FOX, CAROL FIERO, KAY BIG 29228 CHICAGO 03/02/78 03/26/78 08/13/78 PART II: CHARLES TEMPLETON CHARLES TEMPLETON 29228 06/18/78 PART II: TIMOTHY LEARY 29204 07/16/78 PART I: ELVIS LIVES AGAIN - THREE PRESLEY IMPERSONATORS 29230 CHICAGO (T), DC 07/16/78 PART II: ON THE WATERFRONT -- DOCK WORKERS SPEAK OUT 29230 CHICAGO (T), DC 08/06/78 YOU CAN'T LOCK US UP -- MENTAL PATIENTS ARE ROAMING THE STREETS 29229 CHICAGO 08/20/78 YOUR COMPLETE MEDICAL EXAM -- DR. 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PLEASE UNDERSTAND THAT EVEN IF YOU ORDER A SHOW BASED ON THE CATALOG NUMBER AND TITLE FROM THIS DATABASE WE CANNOT GUARANTEE THAT YOU WILL GET THE TAPE YOU ORDER. THIS IS BECAUSE THROUGH THE YEARS TAPES MAY HAVE BEEN PLACED IN THE INCORRECT CASES AND THE WRITTEN INFORMATION ON THE CASES IS ALL WE HAVE TO ID A TAPE BEFORE IT IS TRANSFERRED. WHILE WE WILL USE ALL EFFORTS TO EXPEDITE YOUR REQUEST, BUT WE CANNOT RUSH THE PROCESS, AND YOU ORDER THESE AT YOUR OWN RISK. IF WE DO NOT LOCATE THE TAPE THERE IS NO CHARGE, BUT IF WE DO AND IT IS REMOVED FROM THE FACILITY FOR TRANSFER, YOU WILL BE RESPONSIBLE FOR THESE NON-REFUNDABLE FEES. THE DAVID SUSSKIND SHOW 1969 - 1984 12/29/69 SAMANTHA SUSSKIND AND JULIET FUNT: BABES IN TOYLAND SAMANTHA SUSSKIND, JULIET FUNT, MRS. DAVID SUSSKIND, MRS. ALLEN FUNT, STEPHEN MILLER 18449 10/04/70 WOMEN'S LIB - MEN WHO LOVE IT! WOMEN WHO HATE IT! PART I - THE WOMEN:JEANNIE SAKOL, MONA ROMAN, VALERIE PASCAL DELACORTE, LUCI ANNE GOLDBERG, SUZANNE JAMES, CAROL GREGER PART II - THE MEN: TIMOTHY COONEY, DR. SHEPARD ARONSON, MARC FASTEAU, CARTER BALES, GERALD GARDNER 19437 11/22/70 GROUP ENCOUNTERS MEAN TOUCHING, FEELING, SCREAMING, STRIPPING HANNAH WEINER, HARRY SLOAN, BOB KRIEGEL, DAVIS SCHIFFMAN, MARTIN SHEPARD M.D, STEVE GELMAN 19444 12/27/70 OVERWEIGHT? UNHAPPY? EXPERTS ON DIETING DR. ROBERT ATKINS, ALYCE FINELL, DR. MORTON GLEN, JEREMY STEVENS, NANCY GOULD, DR. IRWIN STILLMAN 19445 12/27/70 WHERE THE BEAUTIFUL PEOPLE SWING DEREK HALL - CAINE, ELAINE KAUFMAN, PIERRE GROLEAU, OLEG CASSINI, WARNER LEROY 19445 01/24/71 THE PRO AND CON OF THE JEWISH DEFENSE LEAGUE PRO: RABBI MEIR KAHANE, NBERTRAM ZWEIBON, DOV SPERLING, JOSHUA JOFFEE CON: RABBI MARC TANENBAUM, MORRIS ABRAM, RABBI ARTHUR SCHNEIER, ARNOLD FORSTER 19457 01/31/71 LANDLORDS AND TENANTS AT WAR LANDLORDS: ROBERT KOENIG, WILLIAM MOSES, ABRAHAM KATZ, ROBERT MALOOF TENANTS: RUDY TOLBERT, VERTELLE X REEDER, REVEREND WILFREDO VELEZ, BERNARD LEONARD 19456 02/07/71 BEAUTIFUL ACTRESSES TURNED AUTHORS - VIVA, DIANE CILENTO, JOANNA BARNES 19831, 19458 02/14/71 ARE YOU HUNG UP AND NEUROTIC? 6 PSYCHIATRISTS! DR. NATHANIEL ROSS, DR. ROBERT JAY LIFTON, DR. ABRAHAM WEINBERG, DR. CHARLES SOCARIDES, DR. ANDREW FERBER, DR. CYRIL FRANKS 19459 02/21/71 ROCK MUSIC THAT SOUNDS GOOD: SEALS AND CROFTS! JIMMY SEALS AND DASH CROFTS 19460 02/28/71 HOW TO CONQUER THE FEAR OF DEATH DR. MORTON M. KLIGERMAN, MRS. MARY BRITTEN, DR. MICHAEL BRESCIA, SISTER MAUREEN PATRICIA FLANNERY, DR. MELVIN J. KRANT, REVEREND CARL NIGHSWONGER 19447 03/14/71 THE EXPLOSION IN THE CATHOLIC CHURCH! KENNETH L. WOODWARD, WILLIAM VAN ETTEN CASEY, SJ, THOMAS DAVIS, FRANCINE GRAY, KENNETH BAKER, SJ, DR. EVER CURTIS 19462 03/21/71 ANGRY TAXPAYERS BATTLE MILITANT WELFARE MOTHERS! MARVIN DANSINGER, EMMA MCPHERSON, BOGDAN WASIUTYNSKI, GEORGEANN SALISBURY, JACKI MCKINNEY, EUGENE BARFOOT, DAVID HIMMELSTEIN, HELEN REICHENBECHER 19463 03/28/71 WHAT IT'S LIKE TO BE OUT OF WORK - 5 EXECUTIVES HIT BY THE RECESSION VERNON MACKIE, JANE MILLER, EDWARD BOTWIN, FRED THOME, SAL CAVALLARO 19464 04/11/71 6 WHO'VE QUIT THE RAT RACE ANDRE GROS DAILLON, HELENGROS DAILLON, REV. HAROLD SKIDMORE, MARY ORPIN, SIDNEY DICKLER, FRANK VAN DYK 19458 04/11/71 THE OUTRAGEOUS WITH OF GORE VIDAL 19458 04/18/71 WHAT HAPPENS AT THE MASTERS AND JOHNSON SEX CLINIC JOAN AND HAROLD K 19466 04/18/71 UNWED MOTHERS CLAIM HUSBANDS ARE OBSOLETE MARY JANE GEIGER, JANE HARRIMAN, ODE BITTON, BARBARA CROSBY 19466 04/25/71 THE HELL OF VIETNAM AS YOU'VE NEVER HEARD IT BEFORE! 6 VETERANS BRADFORD BRITT, ROBERT O. MULLER, STEPHEN MCDONOUGH, CHARLES KNIGHT, JERRY CONER, STEVEN UZZI 19468 05/02/71 THE MATING GAME - THE SWINGING SINGLES SCENE ALICE WAYNE, MARTY O'HARA, JOE MAURO, SANDY SCHNALL, IRVING GRUBER, ANETTA LABOURENE, SAUL RITCHFIELD, GLORIA BENTLEY, AL STILLMAN, BARBARA KASENETZ 19469 05/09/71 WHITE PARENTS WHO ADOPT BLACK CHILDREN JOHN AND STEPHANIE HARAKAL, GEORGE AND MARJORIE RUBIN, TONY AND PEGGY MANGOGNA 19471 05/09/71 THE MAN WHO RUNS AGAINST NIXON - REPRESENTATIVE PAUL N. MCCLOSKEY 19471 05/16/71 A TOUGH JUDGE SAYS: DON'T CODDLE CRIMINALS - THEY'RE PUNKS, VERMIN AND ANIMALS JUDGE SAMUEL S. LEIBOWITZ 19467 05/30/71 HOW TO DRIVE YOUR CHILDREN SANE - DR. HAIM GINOTT DR. HAIM GINOTT ALONE AND THEN IN A SEMINAR WITH 8 MOTHERS 19470 06/06/71 6 EX - CONVICTS TELL THE BRUTALITY AND HORROR OF OUR PRISONS MEL RIVERS, DANIEL KEANE, PRENTICE WILLIAMS, STANLEY TELEGA, GEORGE FREEMAN, CHUCK BERGANSKY 19474 06/13/71 WHEN BLACKS AND RADICALS GO BERSERK IN THE COURTROOM - CAN THE SYSTEM SURVIVE? WILLIAM M. KUNSTLER, GERALRD LEFCOURT, THEODORE KOSKOFF, MELVIN BELLI, TERENCE F. MACCARTHY 19475 09/26/71 NOT WITH MY CHILDREN YOU DON'T - BATTLE OVER BUSING SID GOULD, IRENE MCCABE, LOIS FAISON, DOLORES ROBINSON, CAROL SWEENEY, JERRY GIORGIO, ELLIOT SOLOMON, JEAN RICHARDSON 20602 10/03/71 PART 1: THE JESUS FREAKS ARE HERE ARTHUR BLESSITT, SCOTT ROSS, JACKIE BODNER, BARBARA TAI - SING, RICHIE ALVAREZ, DAVID SHANNON, IKE MCKINNON, PETER KAKOS, CHARLES RIZZO, STEVE ENGLAND 20603 10/03/71 PART II: WATCH YOUR STEP - DOGS ARE EVERYWHERE FRAN LEE, DR. 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MCCURDY 20608 11/28/71 PART II: LEMON OWNERS SQUEEZE AUTO DEALERS SUSAN D-ALLURA, ROBERT E. DILLON, JOE ROGERS, EDWARD SOUKUP, LOWELL DODGE, ANDREW SULNER 20612 12/05/71 PART I: LOVE FOR SALE - 3 PROSTITUTES CHRIS, PAT, RACHAEL 20611 12/12/71 PART I: 2 VICTIMS OF RAPE DOROTHY, MARIE 20613 12/12/71 PART II: SHOW BIZ GOES RADICAL: JANE FONDA AND HER ANTI WAR TROUPE JANE FONDA, DONALD SUTHERLAND, HOLLY NEAR, MICHAEL ALAIMO, RITA MARTINSON, PAMELA DONEGAN, PAUL MOONEY, LEN CHANDLER JR., YALE ZIMMERMAN, FRANCINE PARKER 20613 01/02/72 HAS ANYONE HERE SEEN GOD? FATHER FRANCIS X. MURPHY, CSSR, AVERY CORMAN, FATHER RICHARD MCBRIEN, RABBI DANIEL WOLK, REVEREND JAMES MCGRAW, REVEREND RICHARD NEUHAUS 20617 01/09/72 THE BLACK - WHITE WAR IS RAGING IN OUR SCHOOLS: PARENTS, TEACHERS, STUDENTS AND MAYOR KENNETH GIBSON STEVE ADUBATO, EDWARD GOODALL, FRAN ALSTON, ROBERT GIACOBBE, MARGARET MEEHAN, STEVE MUSTACCHIO, PETE SHAW, KATHY PERRY, MAYOR KENNETH GIBSON 20615 01/30/71 UNWED MOTHERS WHO WANT THEIR BABIES BACK - THE ADOPTION BATTLE FLORENCE LADDEN FISHER, JUDY KROLL, BARBARA DONALDSON, ROBERT LANNA, MRS. VICKI ROMAN, MRS. JANE EDWARDS, ANN DOYLE 20619 02/06/72 PART I: THE GROUP SEX SCENE - 4 MARRIED COUPLES WHO SWING DICK AND JULIE, BILL AND PAT, RICHARD AND LIZ, JOAN AND MARK 20624 02/06/72 PART II: PSYCHIATRISTS WHO SAY SWINGING IS SICK DR. CHARLES SOCARIDES, DR. MELVIN HELLER 20624 02/27/72 CRIMINALS ARE GETTING AWAY WITH MURDER - HAS JUSTICE BECOME A JOKE? 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TOM WICKER, SHELDON HACKNEY, A.J.COOPER, WILLIAM EMERSON, BRANDT AYERS, BETTY TALMADGE, BARRY BINGHAM 27820 02/06/77 THE TRUTH ABOUT SPORTS - FUNNY, GLAMOROUS AND SEEDY RED SMITH, DAN JENKINS, DICK SCHAPP, MORRIE SIEGEL, DAVE ANDERSON, PETE AXTHELM 27821 02/13/77 NEVER AGAIN - TEH BITTER LEGACY OF VIETNAM WILLIAM COLBY, DAVID HALBERSTAM, GLORIA EMERSON 27823 02/20/77 PART I: THE BARE FACTS ABOUT BALDNESS JERRY DELLA FEMINA, KENNETH BATTELLE, ROBERT TEMLIAK, ELLIOT NONAS, DENIS LAMARSH, DR.JAY BARNETT 27824 02/20/77 PART II: GET THE COCKROACHES OUT OF YOUR HOME ALICE GRAY, NORMAN COOPER, RICHARD ELDREDGE, NORMAN GOLDENBERG 27824 03/06/77 PART I: SINGLES IN THE SUBURBS LINDA NARD, JEFF BEAL, SARA HUDSON, KELLY EMMONS, ED ZEIDNER, JACQUE DEJOHN, GENE MIKOLS, KITTY GREENSETIN 27827 03/06/77 PART II: REGGAE MUSIC TIMOTHY WHITE, MICHAEL COOPER, STEPHEN COORE, PERRY HENZELL, BARBARA GLOUDEN, MAX ROMEO, BRETT ALEXANDER 27827 03/13/77 PART I: CONVERSATION WITH A PIMP TOM 27829 03/20/77 HOW TO GET RID OF YOUR HEADACHES A.PATIENTS - JOELLA CRAMBLIT, BEN SMITH, JAMES ANDERSON, SHERRY HUBER B.EXPERTS - DR.DAVID CODDON, DR.SEYMOUR DIAMOND, DR.CHARLES DEMIRJIAN, DR.WALTER CASKEY 27825 03/27/77 GORE VIDAL UNCENSORED 27832 04/03/77 TEENAGE MUGGERS CONFESS A.MUGGERS: JOHN,BILL,MIKE,PETER SAVAGE,MICHELLE,TOM,GENE B.BLACK KIDS WHO'VE MADE IT: CARLOS GRIFFITH, VERNICE MILLER, GEORGE O'NEAL LYONS, VIETTA JOHNSON, ROBERT HARPER 27830 05/01/77 PART I: HOW CHILDREN FEEL ABOUT THEMSELVES AND THE WORLD AROUND THEM KARA ZAITZ, JEREMIAH & JOSHUA COHEN, CLAUDE BROOKS, AISSIA RICHARDSON, MATTHEW NEWTON, ORIANA ZILL, POLLY ERICKSEN, PETER BURRIS, ADAM MICHAELS 27835 05/01/77 PART II: EXPERTS ON CHILD BEHAVIOR DR.LEE SALK, DR.NICHOLAS ZILL, PEGGY CHARREN 27835 05/08/77 PART I: WE'VE COME A LONG WAY: WOMEN MOVIE MAKERS NANCY DOWD, BARBARA KOPPLE, ELEANOR PERRY, JOAN MICKLIN, SILVER 27836 05/15/77 PART I: WHERE THE BEAUTIFUL PEOPLE EAT PEARL WONG, ARMANDO ORSINI, PAUL KOVI, SHELDON TANNEN, WALLY GANZI, WARNER LEROY 27838 05/15/77 PART II: ARE WE A NATION OF JUNK FOOD JUNKIES? JOHN HESS, MIMI SHERATON, MARVIN HEAPS, DAVID SISK, WEXLER, CALVIN TRILLIN 27838 05/22/77 YOU CAN SURVIVE A PLANE CRASH - HERE'S HOW A.SURVIVORS: ALAN BRESLAU, JANET MACAA, DICK SMITH, SARAH UZZELL B.EXPERTS: JAMES O.ROBINSON, HARRY ROBERTSON, CAPT.RAY GERBER, CAPT.J.D.SMITH, RICHARD WITKIN, CHARLES O. 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HEYMANN, STEPHANIE KAPILIAN, BOB EVANS 32139 11/09/80 - 10/04/81 PART II: NO KIDS FOR US PLEASE SNNE SEIFERT, WALTER CALLAHAN, BARBARA COFFEY, DOROTHY WILSON, IVAN MENDELSON 32139 11/16/80 - 07/12/81 PART I: LIFE AFTER DARK - NIGHT PEOPLE TELL ALL RICHARD WEXLER, CINDY CAPALDO, BLEECKER BOB PLOTNIK, ABLE ABEL, SAVARIO COSTANZA 33601 11/23/80 - 09/20/81 PART I: WOMEN RATE MEN: LOVERS AND LOSERS NAN ROBERTSON, SUSANNA HOFFMAN, CAROL BOTWIN 32136 11/30/80 PART I: THE JEANING OF AMERICA: MODELS, MOGULS AND MAKERS JOSEPH NAKASH (JORDACHE), PAUL GUEZ (SASSOON), WARREN HIRSH (GLORIA VANDERBILT) 33603 11/30/80 PART II: NOT FOR WOMEN ONLY - MEN'S COSMETICS TONY CARVETTE (GEORGETTE KLINGER), TOM DAY (CLINIQUE), JAN STUART (JAN STUART), CHIP TOLBERT (MENS FASHION ASSOCIATION), PAUL WILMOT (HALSTON) 33603 12/07/80 - 08/02/81 PART II: A CONVERSATION WITH MICHAEL THOMAS MICHAEL THOMAS, AUTHOR GREEN MONDAY 33609 12/14/80 - 07/18/81 PART I: ARE LAWYERS RUINING OUR LIVES? PHILIP M. STERN, GEOFFREY C. HAZARD, FRANK R. ROSINY, ALAN B. MORISON, JUDGE WILLIAM B. LAWLESS 33607 12/14/80 PART II: NORMAN DACEY, ROSEMARY FURMAN 33607 12/21/80 - 08/30/81 PART I: FEELING GOOD ALL UNDER - THE ELEGANT NEW LINGERIE REBECCA ASPAN, BELL TICE, ORA FEDER, DAVID STIFFLER, SAMI 33613 12/21/80 - 08/30/81 PART II: BEST FRIENDS AND BEST SELLERS CONSUELO BAEHR, SUSAN ISAACS, HILMA WOLITZER 33613 12/28/80 THE REMARKABLE JONATHAN SCHWARTZ - A SPECAL PERFORMANCE JONATHAN SCHWATRZ 33612 01/11/81 - 09/13/81 PART I: THE INCREDIBLE WORLD OF MOTHER TERESA JOYCE DAVIDSON SUSSKIND 33608 01/11/81 - 09/13/81 PART II: HOW TO SUCCEED? GO TO BUSINESS SCHOOL SUSAN THOMAS, JED DALY, ROBERT FRIEDMAN, JAY ESSEY. ELIZABETH CLOSTERMAN 33608 01/18/81 - 04/15/84 PART I: WATCH YOUR LANGUAGE JOHN SIMON, RICHARD MITCHELL, EDWIN NEWMAN 33611 01/18/81 PART II: WHERE THE BODIES ARE BURIED - WASHINGTON LOWDOWN DONALD LAMBRO, CHARLES PETERS, MICHAEL J. MALBIN, FRANK SILBEY 33611 01/25/81 PART II: HOW TO IMPROVE YOUR EATING HABITS RICHARD S. RIVLIN M.D., RICHARD PASSWATER, DR. ROBERT PALMER, JOSEPH RECHTSCHAFFEN M.D. 33616 02/08/81 - 08/23/81 PART I: TAKE THOSE INCHES OFF! SHAPE UP WITH EXCERCISE MARJORIE CRAIG, LYDIA BACH, CHARLES GAINES, MARUSCHKA 33614 02/08/81 - 08/23 81 PART II: THE ESTABLISHMENT LEONARD AND MARK SILK, STEPHEN BIRMINGHAM 33614 02/15/81 CELEBRITY WATCHING WITH LIZ SMITH, TAKI, JAMES BRADY AND JODY JACOBS 33620 02/22/81 HOW TO SURVIVE AND PROSPER IN THE 80'S HOWARD RUFF, DOUGLAS CASEY, JEROME SMITH, THOMAS HOLT 33621 03/01/81 - 08/09/81 PART 1: PRETTY BABIES - THE NEW TEEN AGE MODELS BETTINA, LORI LOUGHLIN, CATHLEEN ESS, FELICE SCHACHTER, LENA REID 33619 03/01/81 - 08/09/81 PART II: ARE YOUR CHILDREN BECOMING ADULTS TOO SOON? DR. AARON HASS, PATRICIA O'BRIEN, ARTHUR KORNHABER M.D., ADELE HOFFMAN, M.D. 33619 03/08/81 BIGOTRY RIDES AGAIN WILLIAM SLOANE COFFIN, ARNOLD FORSTER, WILLIAM A. FUSHER, CONGRESSMAN JOHN CONYERS, DR. M. MORAN WESTON 33622 03/15/81 THE BATTLE FOR SURVIVAL - THE AMERICAN AUTO INDUSTRY WENDELL H. MILLER, STEPHEN L. SCHLOSSBERG, TOM HANNA, JERRY FLINT, DAVID HEALY 33623 03/22/82 - 07/26/81 PART I: POURING OUT YOUR TROUBLES - BARTENDERS TELL ALL PADDY QUINN, CHARLIE SCHOENEMAN, RAY FOLEY, JOHN "SHIRTS" HUGHES, KITTY FITZKE 33615 03/22/81 - 07/26/81 PART II: TWINS WHO MARRIED TWINS BARBI GOLDENBERG, D.D.S., BRUCE GOLDENBERG, D.D.S., CHERYL GOLDENBERG, D.D.S., BARRY GOLDENBERG, D.D.S., 33615 03/29/81 - 09/27/81 THE MORAL MAJORITY ON THE WAR PATH DR. TIM LA HAYE, DR. DAN C. FORE, SENATOR FRANK CHURCH. DR. DANIEL C. MAQUIRE 33624 04/05/81 - 08/16/81 PART I: WOMEN AND SUCCESS - MAKING IT TO THE TOP JUDY MELLO, ANNE P. HYDE, SUSAN HOROWITZ, PAULA D. HUGHES, JO FOXWORTH 33625 04/05/81 - 08/16/81 - 05/06 84 PART II: THE TRUTH ABOUT SENILITY ROBERT N. BUTLER, M.D., DENNETH L. DAVIS, M.D., DR. PETER DAVIES, DR. ROSE ROBROF 33625 04/12/81 PART I: BANKS ON THE BRINK MURIEL SIEBERT, LEE GUNDERSON, H. ERICH HEINEMANN, WILLIAM E. DONOGHUE, DR. SAUL B. KLAYMAN 33626 04/12/81 - 05/20/84 PART II: DOCTORS WIVES CARLA FINE, LINDA SHIPLEY, LINDA SEDA, LORI TAYLOR 33626 04/26/81 THE AMERICAN MILITARY MACHINE: ARE WE READY FOR BATTLE? CONGRESSMAN JIM COURTER, BARRY R. POSEN, BRIGADIER GENERAL ALBION KNIGHT JR., EDWARD LUTTWALK, GENERAL VOLNEY F. WARNER 33628 05/10/81 FROM HOLLYWOOD TO BROADWAY - PART II: MCCANN AND NUGENT NELLE NUGENT AND ELIZABETH MCCANN 33631 05/18/81 PART I: HOMELESS AND HELPLESS - PEOPLE WHO LIVE ON THE STREETS ANN MARIE ROUSSEAU, WILLIAM KUEHNE, ANTON GALENOS, SELMA (MARIE) PRICE, SYD ROLFS, VERONICA (VIRGINIA) WILLIAMS, GENE PALMER 33632 05/17/81 PART II: SPORTS AMERICAN STYLE: BIG, BRUISING BUSINESS DICK SHAAP, PETER BONVENTRE, MIKE LUPICA, DAN JENKINS 33632 05/24/81 PART I: SURVIVALISTS: PREPARING FOR DOOMSDAY KURT SAXON, JOSEPH RUSTICK M.D., ROBERT FIRTH, GENE AND PEARL TARMAN 33633 05/24/81 PART II: DELAYED MOTHERHOOD - HAVING CHILDREN AT AGE 35 JULIE HOUSTON, LYNN POVICH, JACQULINE PESUT, LUISA LA VIOLA, DR. PEGGY EWING 33633 06/07/81 PART II: A VANISHING BREED - THE PROFESSIONAL VOLUNTEER VIVIAN HARRIS, MARY LINDSAY, JEAN DELAFIELD, ISABELLE STEVENSON, GLORIA W. MILLIKEN 33635 06/14/81 PART II: THE TRUTH ABOUT THE TONY AWARDS ALEXANDER H. COHEN, HILDY PARKS 33636 06/21/81 PART I: REPORT FROM THREE DOCTORS - THE LATEST IN MEDICINE ISADORE ROSENFELD, M.D., DR. JOHN H. LARAGH, DR. JOSEPH WILDER 33630 06/21/81 PART II: HOW TO SUE WITHOUT A LAWYER JOHN STRIKER, ANDREW SHAPIRO 33630 06/28/81 PART I: SHOW BUSINESS COUPLES RENEE TAYLOR, JOSEPH BOLOGNA, MERGE REDMOND, JACK WESTON 33634 06/28/81 PART II: WHO REMEMBERS CARTER - JOSEPH CALIFANO DOES, THAT'S WHO 33634 10/11/81 - 08/08/82 STARTING OVER AFTER DIVORCE: MIDDLE AGED SINGLES RICHARD SCHICKEL, ANNE PARK, MARTHA HUGHES, STEVEN BRALOVE, RITA MCDOWELL 33637 10/18/81 - 08/01/82 PART I: THE REAL CHORUS LINE: BROADWAY DANCERS DONNA DRAKE, BOB HEATH, MARYBETH KURDOCK, DAVID EVANS, RON SCHWINN, JOAN BELL, DEAN BADOLATE, MARY ANN NILES 33638 10/18/81 - 08/01/82 PART II: FACES IN THE CROWD - MOVIE EXTRAS ROZ BRAVERMAN, ANDREW MURPHY, BARRY WISEMAN, SHANNON SORIN, VELA CERES 33638 10/25/81 PART I: MAKING MARRIAGE WORK: MARRIAGE COUNSELORS LAURA SINGER, DR. ROBERT RYDER, DR. MEL KRANTZLER, DR. FREDERICK HUMPHREY 35451 10/25/81 PART II: DIVORCE MEDIATORS DR. JOHN M. HAYNES, LAWRENCE GAUGHAN, SAMUEL MARGUILES, VIRGINIA STAFFORD 35451 11/01/81 WHAT PLASTIC SURGERY CAN DO FOR YOU DR. RALPH MILLARD, DR. CHRISTOPHER WEATHERLEY-WHITE, DR. BRUCE CONNELL, DR. MICHAEL HOGAN 35452 11/08/81 - 07/18/82 PART II: THE MYSTERY OF SLEEP DR. RICHARD BOOTZIN, DR. QUENTIN REGESTEIN, DR. ELLIOT WEITZMAN 35453 11/15/81 PART I: MOTHERS WITHOUT CUSTODY ELLEN KIMBALL, "JACKIE", BARBARA 35455 11/15/81 PART II: CAMPUS CONSERVATIVES KEENEY JONES, JOHN GOODWIN, BENNETT COOPER, TERRY QUIST 35455 11/22/81 PART I: A TALK WITH FATHER THEODORE HESBURGH 34556 11/29/81 - 07/04/82 PART I: THE SWINGERS PARADISE OF CLUB MED ROD FRANKEL, DOREEN WOODRUM, SUSAN FRAYTUS, RICKY DETRES, BOB LEIGHTON, CLAUDE KEBBE 35454 11/29/81 - 07/04/82 PART II: RETURN TO THE NEST STEPHANIE GANGI, TOM RIPP, FRANK SCHIRALLI, SCOTT MARTONE, ANGELA DIVERGILIO 35454 12/20/81 - 06/27/82 PART I: DON'T GO NEAR THE WATER! ELEGANT NEW SWIMWEAR LIZA BRUCE, ANNE COLE, STANLEY REGENBOGAN, FRANK FRIEND, MIRIAM RUZOW 35459 12/20/81 - 06/27/82 - 01/08/84 - 07/22/84 - 02/16/86 PART II: ALL ABOUT HANGOVERS DAVID OUTERBRIDGE, NELSON DEMILLE, PETER WALSH, HERBERT GOULD, M.D. 35459 01/03/82 PART I: AN INTERVIEW WITH GLADYCE BEGELMAN: CO-AUTHOR OF "NEW YORK ON $1000.00 A DAY" 35457 01/03/82 - 08/29/82 - 04/01/84 PART II: CAN YOU ERASE THOSE WRINKLES? THE TRUTH ABOUT SILICON AND COLLAGEN DR. LEWIS FEDER. DR. ROBERT AUERBACH, DR. JAMES LEYDEN 35457 01/20/82 - 07/25/82 PART I: TOUGHLOVE: PARENTS FIGHT BACK PHYLLIS AND DAVID YORK, LANE PEER, RICHARD SURVING, JEAN BAKER WUNDER 35459 01/10/82 - 07/25/82 PART II: ALL ABOUT CATS ANITRA FRAZIER, SIMON BOND, SAMANTHA SUSSKIND, JERRY BENISATTO, PATRICIA NELL WARREN, RICHARD GEBHARDT 35459 01/17/82 - 08/15/82 PART I: WEIGHT LOSS NORMA SKOPIN, STEVE SILVA, GERALDINE O'CONNOR, ANNE MCCARTHY, IRENE CURTIN 35459 01/17/82 - 08/15/82 - 03/25/84 - 09/16/84 - 02/09/86 - 07/06/86 PAT II: "LISA H." OPERATION LINTON WHITAKER, M.D., JAMES KATOWITZ, M.D., DEREK BRUCE, M.D., CH.B 35462 01/24/82 "NO MR. PRESIDENT, WE'RE NOT BETTER OFF" PART I: VICTIMS OF THE BUDGET CUTS MATILDE COLON, ZELDA WEINER, MARY GARBUTT, MURIEL ZGARDOWSKI, MARY GALE 35463 02/07/82 - 09/26/82 PART I: BACHELORS OF THE MONTH MICHAEL JEFFREY GRIFFITH, PETER KUHN, O. STEVEN FREDRICKSON, JIM ZERBE, JOEL DIAMOND 35465 02/07/82 - 09/26/82 PART II: CHIROPRACTORS VS. M.D.'S DR. STEPHEN BARRETT, LOUIS SPORTELLI, D.C., CHESTER WILK, D.C., REUBEN HOPPENSTEIN, M.D. 35465 02/21/82 WHO'S HOT, WHO'S NOT - WHO'S IN, WHO'S OUT - THE LATEST GOSSIP MADELLEINE SCHAAP, MAXINE MESSINGER, LIZ SMITH, JAMES BRADY, BOB COLACELLO 35467 02/28/82 PART I: ASTROLOGERS PREDICRT WHAT'S IN THE STARS FOR 1982 MARIA ELISA CRUMMERE, MARTIN SCHULMAN, DARRELL MARTINI, MAE WILSON-LUDLAM 35464 02/28/82 PART II: SABINA SHALOM 35464 03/07/82 THE WILD WORLD OF SPORTS DICK SCHAPP, DAN JENKINS, MIKE LUPICA, DAVE ANDERSON, MIKE DOWNEY 35469 03/07/82 TRAVELLING SALESMEN JIM O'CONNOR, JOEL KATZ, JIM PRENDERGAST, DICK ORNSTEIN 35469 03/14/82 - 07/11/82 CRIMINALS ARE GETTING AWAY WITH MURDER PHIL SEELIG, BILL CLARK, JUDGE EDWIN TORRES, SEYMOUR WISHMAN 35471 03/21/82 - 09/12/82 PART I: ARE WOMEN THEIR OWN WORST ENEMIES? MARY VANN HUNTER, MONIQUE VAN VOOREN, KATHRYN LIVINGSTON, DORIS LILLY 35471 03/21/82 - 09/12/82 PART II: NICE GIRLS DO DR. IRENE KASSORLA 35471 04/04/82 - 08/29/82 SUPERMOMS COLETTE ROSSANR, KATHRYN DARROW, MEG WHITCOMB, PENNY HAWKEY 35470 04/18/82 PUBLIC SERVICE OR PUBLIC RIP OFF? - UTILITIES EDWARD LARKIN, EDWARD HYNES, THOMAS FITZPATRICK, KAREN BURSTEIN, CAROL BARGER, ALFRED NARDELLI 35473 04/25/82 ON THE VERGE OF RUIN: AMERICA'S DESPERATE FARMERS NITA GIBSON, WAYNE CRYTS, JOHN STULP, PETER CURRA, VAREL BAILEY 35476 05/02/82 COUNTDOWN TO DOOMSDAY: THE NUCLEAR ARMS DEBATE ADMIRAL ELMO ZUMWALT, DR. DANIEL MACGUIRE, DR. SCOTT THOMPSON, JACK GEIGER, M.D., FRITZ ERMARTH, CONGRESSMAN THOMAS DOWNEY 35477 05/09/82 PART I: FAST AND FUNNY - COLLEGE DEBATERS DAVID BAILIN, HARRY WALTERS, LARRY EICHENFIELD, EDWARD O'TOOLE, DAVID KIDD, J.J. GERTLER, GRANT OLIPHANT, RICHARD SOMMER 35473 05/09/82 PART II: VIDEO GAME CRAZE EDWIN VELAQUEZ, CRAIG ROSS, JEFF LOMBARDI, OPHELLA VONBRANDON, JOHNNY ZADUBARA, NANDO RAMOS, MICHAEL BLANCHET 35473 05/23/82 - 10/03/82 "I'M ON WELFARE AND I HATE IT" - A WELFARE MOTHER SHARON HUNT 35478 05/30/82 PART I: NOT FOR MEN ONLY - BLUE COLLAR WOMEN TINA NANNARONE, LAURA SCHWARTZ, JANE KELLEY, SHARON HOLMES, JUDY HUGHES 35480 05/30/82 PART II: OUT OF CASH - TRY BARTER ANNIE PROULX, JERRY WEINER, GENE HOLYZMAN, CONNIE STAPLETON 35480 06/13/82 WHO CAN AFFORD COLLEGE ANYMORE? - PART I: ADMINISTRATORS JAMES POWELL, STEPHEN TRACHTENBERG, WILLIAM MAXWELL, HARVEY GROTRAIN 35482 06/13/82 WHO CAN AFFORD COLLEGE ANYMORE? - PART II: PARENTS JOSEPH ZULLO, JOHN KAUFMAN, FREDERIC KRAMER, GLORIA GATTI, ALEXANDRA GREELEY 35482 06/20/82 NO MORE LAND OF PLENTY NORMAN BERG, KREKEL KARCH, NEIL SAMPSON 35484 06/20/82 CAREER COUNSELORS JOHN CRYSTAL, STANLEY HYMAN, ROBERT SWAIN, IRENE ANSHER 35484 10/24/82 - 08/28/83 TOP TRIAL LAWYERS DEMONSTRATE THE ART OF JURY SELECTION PHILIP CORBOY, HAROLD PRICE FAHRINGER, AARON BRODER, BILL COLSON 35483 10/31/82 - 07/17/83 PART I: COCAINE: A 30 BILLION DOLLAR EPIDEMIC ROBERT MILLMAN, M.D., ANDY KOWL, TOM HENDERSON, "AMY" "A.J.", "LIZA" 35475 11/21/82 - 01/26/86 - 05/25/86 - 08/17/86 PART I: DOLLAR A DANCE - TAXI DANCERS ARIEL LUCAS, PAUL PRICKETT, PENNY PRUCHA, ELLEN STOKES, CAROL SUNDQUIST 37030 02/27/83 PART II: THE MYSTERY OF THE COMMON COLD STEVEN MOSTOW, M.D., R. GORDON DOUGLAS, M.D., SANFORD CHODOSH, M.D., HYLAN BICKERMAN, MN.D., JOHN ABELES, M.D. 37042 03/06/83 PART I: ANGRY CRIME VICTIMS DIANI MONTENEGRO, SHIRLEY BERNSTEIN, GUILIA PAGANO, ROBERT GRAYSON, DR. MICHAEL ROBINSON 37047 03/20/83 - 06/10/84 PART I: PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATES JAMES IRVIN GLOVER, GRADY O'CUMMINGS III, LESTER BYERLEY, GERARD HIMMELMAN 37049 05/22/83 - 08/07/83 PART I: LONELINESS JANE ADAMS, JOAN GOULD, JOHN HOLLANDER, MURRAY KELLMAN, MAURA SWANSON 37058
US Campaign - Schwarzenegger endorses McCain for Republican candidacy
NAME: US CAMPAIGN 20080131I TAPE: EF08/0123 IN_TIME: 11:13:08:22 DURATION: 00:02:21:08 SOURCES: ABC DATELINE: Los Angeles - 1 Feb 2008 RESTRICTIONS: No NAmerica/ Internet SHOTLIST 1. Pull out of Republican presidential candidates John McCain and Rudy Giuliani, with Arnold Schwarzenegger at podium. 2. SOUNDBITE: (English) Arnold Schwarzenegger, California Governor: "They're talking about a great future, this is the very reason why I am endorsing Senator (John) McCain to be the next President of the United States, because I am interested in a great future and I think that Senator McCain has proven over and over again that he is reaching across the aisle in order to get things done. There are people out there that talk about reaching across the aisle but he has show the action over and over again. He is also crusaded to end wasteful spending in Washington, which is so important - and he is a crusader, has a great vision in protecting the environment and also protecting simultaneously the economy. He has incredible credentials in national security and of course he is a fantastic, outstanding public servant. He is a great American hero and an extraordinary leader and this is why I am endorsing him to be our next president of the United States - so lets hear for Senator McCain. Thank you very much." 3. (previous shot continues) Close-up two men shaking hands 4. (previous shot continues) SOUNDBITE: (English) Senator John McCain, Republican presidential hopeful: "Thank you very much. Thank you. Thank you Governor and I am very honoured by your endorsement and your support. I am also very honoured to be with my friend the Mayor of New York City (Rudy Giuliani)." 5. (dissolves from previous shot) SOUNDBITE: (English) Senator John McCain, Republican presidential hopeful: "I could never, never ever be anything but be honoured by the presence of these two great American heroes. Today Governor Rick Perry, the Governor of Texas, will be endorsing me. You will see a flood of endorsements across this country from both liberal and conservative and let me say, I am prepared to lead our party in the nation and I am prepared and am succeeding in uniting it. We need all parts of our party together if we are going to win in November. I believe our party is beginning to realise that." 6. Mid shot as McCain walks away STORYLINE: Californian governor Arnold Schwarzenegger endorsed US Senator John McCain in the Republican presidential race on Thursday, praising him as an "extraordinary leader" who can "reach across the aisle" to get things done. At a news conference, Schwarzenegger said McCain has the national security credentials to do the job, and has "crusaded against wasteful spending." Former New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani also attended the event, one day after he dropped out of the race and threw his support behind his long-time friend. McCain is counting on both men, Schwarzenegger in California and Giuliani in New York, to help propel him to victory in the two biggest states holding primaries next week. Combined, they offer 271 delegates, more than one quarter of the 1,023 at stake in a Super Tuesday slew of primaries and caucuses. Schwarzenegger delivered his endorsement after a tour of a solar-energy company. McCain has been a supporter of efforts to deal with global warming and on Thursday he pledged he would work to leave the planet in better shape than it currently is. Schwarzenegger's endorsement of McCain is yet another setback for Mitt Romney, the former Massachusetts governor who saw Florida slip from his grasp Tuesday after McCain rolled up the support of that state's two top elected Republicans, Governor Charlie Crist and Senator Mel Martinez. Giuliani's impact was being felt as well, when several of his former supporters in New Jersey threw their support to McCain earlier in the day. New Jersey has 52 delegates at stake in next week's primary, and like New York, gives them all to the winner of the popular vote. His strategy uncertain, Romney plans to offer himself as the conservative alternative to McCain as he pushes ahead in hopes of winning enough delegates to topple the Arizona senator when 21 states vote in the Republican contest on Tuesday. Both McCain and Romney have signalled they intend to air television ads in at least some of the states on the ballot. Former Arkansas Governor Mike Huckabee and Texas Representative Ron Paul are also on the ballot. McCain, the four-term senator, is running strongly ahead of all three in California. Candidates secure three delegates for each of the state's 53 congressional districts they win in the primary, in which only Republicans can vote. The ultimate effect of Schwarzenegger's endorsement is unclear. The celebrity governor and former actor is universally known in the state, and his political network certainly will be helpful to McCain, who has virtually no organised effort in California after his candidacy nearly collapsed last summer. The actor-turned-governor also is a prolific fundraiser. But Schwarzenegger has a strained relationship with some conservatives in his own party and McCain, himself, is fighting to convince GOP rank-and-file that he's committed to conservative values. Schwarzenegger's nod could exacerbate concerns about McCain among the party establishment. Those sentiments were refuted by McCain, who answered a few questions after receiving Schwarzenegger's endorsement. "I could never, never ever be anything but be honoured by the presence of these two great American heroes," McCain said. "We need all parts of our party together if we are going to win in November, I believe our party is beginning to realise that."
CAMPAIGN 2012 / ABC REPUBLICAN DEBATE BACKUP SD
CAMPAIGN 2012 / ABC REPUBLICAN DEBATE BACKUP SD ABC News IOWA REPUBLICAN DEBATE FINAL TRANSCRIPT Michele Bachmann, RICK SANTORUM, Mitt Romney, Rick Perry, Ron Paul, Newt Gingrich ANCHORED BY George Stephanopoulos and Diane Sawyer Media outlets who use this material must credit the ABC News/Yahoo News debate co-sponsored by WOI-TV, The Des Moines Register and Drake University. DIANE SAWYER: 21:01:31:00 And a good evening to all of you welcome to Iowa, welcome to Drake University as the presidential voting draws near, the time is coming. And the political team of ABC News has been out in force throughout this state. And we just wanna say to the people of Iowa, we are endlessly struck by how seriously you take your role as first in line for the vote. GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS: 21:01:52:00 Every four years first. DIANE SAWYER: 21:01:53:00 That is true. And it's 24 days now and counting until the voting begins in the caucuses. And-- and it's at the time for closing arguments, so let us introduce the presidential candidates from the Republican party for the United States of America here at the debate tonight. 21:02:13:00 Former Senator Rick Santorum of Pennsylvania, Governor Rick Perry of Texas, former Governor Mitt Romney of Massachusetts (AUDIENCE WHOOP), former Speaker of the House Newt Gingrich of Georgia (AUDIENCE WHOOP), Texas Congressman Ron Paul, (APPLAUSE) and Congresswoman from Minnesota, Michele Bachmann. (APPLAUSE) Thank you all. 21:02:45:00 Before we begin if we can just one note, because George and I have been talking and all of us have been talking to many of you about what it takes to run for the presidency in this country right now. And we are talking about the determination, the physical stamina, the road you travel, the miles you travel and the sacrifices your families make as you do it. So we thought maybe at the end of this year-- the-- the end of this road does approach, we could all just salute your commitment to the presidential race and to democracy in this country. We salute you. (APPLAUSE) GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS: 21:03:38:00 The rules of the debate are pretty straightforward, the candidates have negotiated them, agreed to them. They're gonna forgo opening statements and then they will give, they've agreed, one minute responses to questions from Diane and me, 30 seconds for rebuttal to those. And we wanna show everybody at home that the candidates can see as well, this clock right here. And we'll shift from green to yellow to red over the course of the allotted time. 21:04:01:00 The audience here at Drake was chosen by the Iowa Republican Party, and all of you at home can follow on ABCNews.com and Yahoo.com. You can even join the discussion by downloading Yahoo's Enter Now app on your iPhone, and with that you can actually pitch in with opinions during this debate. DIANE SAWYER: 21:04:17:00 So it is time to begin. And people are telling us that they do feel it's time to choose. And the number one issue on which they're going to choose, jobs in America. And we would like to hear from all of you in this opening round. And the question is this: what is your distinguishing idea, distinguishing, from all of the others on this stage, about how to create jobs in this create, how to bring jobs back from overseas. And if you will, how many jobs do you think you can create and how long will that take? And Speaker Gingrich, will you lead us off? NEWT GINGRICH: 21:04:53:00 Well, I think that there's a clear record, I worked with Ronald Reagan in the early '80s and his recovery program translated into today's population of about 25 million new jobs in a seven-year period. As Speaker of the House, I worked with-- President Clinton and he followed with a very similar plan. 21:05:08:00 And we ended up with about 11 million new jobs in a four-year period. Went down to 4.2% unemployment. Starts very simply, taxes, lower taxes, less regulation, an American energy plan, and actually be positive with our people to create jobs. The opposite of the Obama plan, which is higher taxes, more regulation, no American energy, and attack people who create jobs with class warfare. 21:05:30:00 So I think there are a number of steps you can take. I would start with zero capital gains, hundreds of billions of dollars would pour into the country, I'd go to 12.5% corporate tax rate, that would bring in at least $700 billion in repatriated money back from overseas. I would then go to 100% expensing for all new equipment-- abolish the (UNINTEL) news-- write it off in one year, and I'd abolish the death tax penalty. Those steps would begin to dramatically create jobs. DIANE SAWYER: 21:05:55:00 And I want to turn to Governor Romney, if I can. Because you've given a number and you've given a time frame, 11.5 million jobs in four years, aiming for six percent-- unemployment rate at the end of the first time. What is the distinguishing idea to do that? MITT ROMNEY: 21:06:12:00 Well, having spent my life in the private sector, I understand where jobs are created. They're not created in government, they're not created in Washington. They're created on Main Streets and streets all over America. And to help make America the most attractive place in the world for investment, for new enterprise, for entrepreneurs and for job growth, there's seven things you have to do. There's not just one, there's seven. 21:06:34:00 One, make sure that our employer tax rates are competitive with other nations. They're not now. We're the highest in the world. Number two, get regulators and regulations to recognize their job is not to burden the-- the private enterprise system, but to encourage it. Number three, to have trade policies that make sense for America, not just for the people with whom we trade. 21:06:55:00 This president has not done that. And China, that's been cheating, has to be cracked down on. Number four, we have to have energy policies that take advantage of our extraordinary energy resources. Number five, the rule of law, and the Boeing-- effort on the part of the N.L.R.B. violated that. Number six, grade institutions to create human capital, and number seven, finally a government that doesn't spend more money than it takes in. DIANE SAWYER: 21:07:17:00 And Congressman Paul, a number as a time frame and an idea. RON PAUL: 21:07:24:00 My-- approach is slightly different. Where I think all for less taxes and less regulations, we recognize this. But I emphasize the fact that you have to know why we have a recession, and why we have unemployment before you can solve the problem. And the re-- the financial bubbles are created by excessive credit and stimulation by the Federal Reserve. And then you have bubbles and you have to have a correction. 21:07:46:00 The-- this stimulus creates es-- excessive debt and malinvestment. As long as you don't correct that and you maintain the debt and the malinvestment, you can't get back to economic growth again. Unfortunately, so far what we have done, is we have not liquidated the debt, we have dumped the debt on the American people through TARP funding and-- and as well as the Federal Reserve. 21:08:08:00 So the debt is dumped on the people. And what did we do? We bailed out the people that were benefiting during the formation of the bubble. So as long as we do that, we're not gonna have economic growth. We-- you did the same thing in the Depression, the Japanese are doing it right now, so it's time we liquidate the debt and look at monetary policy. And then, of course, lower taxes. And I would like to-- do in the first year, cut $1 trillion, 'cause that is the culprit, big spending and big government. DIANE SAWYER: 21:08:35:00 I wanna come back to those of you with another direct question of whether there is a number of jobs that can be created and a time frame you can tell the American people you can do it in. But I want to turn to Governor Perry for your distinguishing idea. RICK PERRY: 21:08:49:00 Yeah, the distinguishing mark is-- a tax policy that puts a flat tax in place of-- 20%. And you-- as they've said, you get rid of the regulatory burden that's killing people. And I have a record of doing that as the governor of the state of Texas over the last 11 years. We created over a million jobs in that state while America lost over two million jobs. 21:09:10:00 So there's a very clear blueprint of how to make this work. But I wanna talk about one other issue, and-- and Congressman Paul touched on it. And it's this idea, I can-- I can on a map diagram the problem that we've got in America today. And it d-- it's this direct line between Washington D.C. and Wall Street. And it's the corruption that's gone on. It's the idea of TARP. It's the idea of $7.7 trillion that we didn't even know was being put into these peoples and these banks. 21:09:39:00 That's what Americans are really upset with. And it's gonna take an outsider who can come in to put in the model of taxes and regulation. And-- and be able to balance that budget by the year 2020 with 18% of G.D.P. That's what the American people want, and an outsider like Rick Perry is gonna do that. DIANE SAWYER: 21:09:59:00 All right, Congresswoman Bachmann? MICHELE BACHMANN: 21:10:01:00 Well-- one of our former competitors was Herman Cain and he always reminded us of the 9-9-9 plan. And what I would like to do is have the Win-Win-Win plan. And the way that we can do that is first addressing the tax code. I'm a former federal tax lawyer. And that literally, we will create millions of dollars if we abolish the tax code and embrace a pro-growth policy not only by lowering the rates for businesses, but by individuals as well. 21:10:28:00 And making it a tax code that applies fairly and the same to all Americans. That's very important. And something else I wanna do with my tax code policy is make sure that everyone pays something. Because today, 47% of the American people pay nothing in federal income tax. Everyone benefits by the country, they need to pay. But also, one of my "Win" points is with American energy production. 21:10:50:00 If we legalize American energy, we'll create 1.4 million jobs in just a few years' time. And here's something we-- else that we can do under the "Win" plan. We can cut government bureaucracy, which is ObamaCare. N.F.I.B. tells us, that's the small business agency, that we will lose 1.6 million jobs over five years if we keep ObamaCare. I wanna-- I am committed to repealing ObamaCare, Dodd-Frank, cutting out the E.P.A., and we'll save millions of jobs if we do that. DIANE SAWYER: 21:11:23:00 Senator Santorum? RICK SANTORUM: 21:11:24:00 Well, I was just down in Fremont County, which is down in the far southwest corner of the state, and they just lost about, a couple hundred jobs at a ConAgra plant down there. And Governor Branstad and Lieutenant Governor Reynolds understand, that's why they asked us to have a forum here in Pella a few weeks ago on manufacturing. 21:11:40:00 They understand that the heartland of America is suffering because the manufacturing economy of this country continues to go down. We used to have 21% of people employed in this country in manufacturing, it's now nine. And it hurts disproportionately small town and rural America. So what I learned from traveling around Iowa is we had to get a plan together that'll revitalized manufacturing. 21:11:58:00 So I took the corporate tax, not the 12%. I zeroed it out for all manufacturers. We want manufacture, we want "Made in the U.S.A." to be the moniker under my administration. We want an administra-- we want-- to put a platform together that's gonna repeal regulations that are crushing our-- our b-- manufacturers and businesses. I'll repeal, one thing a president can do, he can't pass a law, but he can repeal regulations. 21:12:18:00 And Barack Obama has given us-- a bevy of regulations that need to be repealed, starting with a lot of our energy regulations that driving up our energy costs. That's another part of d-- of the plan, is to-- to make sure we have lower electricity rates, that we have oil and gas drilling going on here, so manufacturing can afford to be here. You put together that plan, we will get-- not only revitalize the economy, we'll-- we'll take care of an area of the ec-- of this country that has suffered in-- in recent times. And that's rural and small-town America. DIANE SAWYER: 21:12:47:00 I just wanna point out, I think that Governor Romney is the only one who actually gave a four-year, first-term number, which was again, 11.5 million jobs. Wondered if anyone else wanted to come in with a four-year, first-term promise for the American people. RICK SANTORUM: 21:13:04:00 I'm not-- MALE VOICE #2: 21:13:05:00 Well-- RICK SANTORUM: 21:13:05:00 --I-- I-- I-- I'm not gonna make a promise, because I don't believe you s-- I don't believe that government can sit there and-- and-- and from the top down dictate how many jobs are here. What we can do is we can create an atmosphere for businesses to thrive. And we know what that means. Less regulation, where-- a regulation that works for-- for-- for businesses, taxation that makes us competitive, a litigation environment that makes us competitive. 21:13:26:00 You create the platform. You create the-- you create that petri dish, you'll get lots of things growing there. And I don't need-- some government bean counter to tell us we've got a right-- right program to be able to c-- create jobs in this country. DIANE SAWYER: 21:13:38:00 I wanna move on if I can, to another question which represents some of the urgent and tough choices presidents have to make, because this one is coming up soon, December 31st. And it is the payroll tax cut. And as we know, the payroll tax cut, which funds the Social Security-- fund in this country is part of the argument, part of the debate, part of the consideration about the economy in this country right now. 21:14:07:00 And-- by some estimates, if this tax cut expires on December 31st, it could add as much as $1,000 to the tax burden of American working families. And I know you are divided down the middle, if I can turn to you, Congresswoman Bachmann, and we know that you are a tax attorney, and-- you're familiar with these issues. Should this tax cut go? MICHELE BACHMANN: 21:14:32:00 Well, I-- this tax shouldn't-- cut shouldn't have been put in the first place, the payroll tax extension, because last December, I fought against this. And I encouraged my colleagues not to go down this road. This is President Obama's plan, a temporary gimmick, not permanent solution. That's what the business community is looking for. 21:14:52:00 That's where real jobs will be created. The reason why this is so detrimental to the economy as well is that this blew a hole, in other words, it took away $111 billion away from the Social Security Trust Fund. This is a very real issue for senior citizens, because we have to pay the Social Security checks that are going out. 21:15:13:00 I'm completely different from b-- Barack Obama on this issue. I don't agree with Barack Obama. We have candidates on this stage that are standing with Barack Obama on this issue. But this year alone, it-- this will also cost the Social Security Trust Fund another $112 billion. And we don't have enough money this year in the Social Security Trust Fund to put out those checks. 21:15:37:00 Which means, we have to go to the General Treasury to get the money. And trust me, when you open the door to the General Treasury, the only thing that comes out are moths and feathers. There's nothing in there. So we have to recognize, we can't spend money that we don't have. And that's what Barack Obama's trying to do. Temporary gimmicks, not permanent solutions-- DIANE SAWYER: 21:15:56:00 But (UNINTEL) is a decision that does have to be made in three weeks. And Governor Romney, you have said it's a "temporary Band-Aid," but you have indicated that you are in favor of keeping it. So how do you differ from Congresswoman Bachmann? Is it worth it? MITT ROMNEY: 21:16:12:00 Well, I don't wanna raise taxes on people-- particularly people in the middle class that are suffering right now under the Obama economy. It's a temporary tax-- cut, and it'll help people in a d-- very difficult time. But-- but let's-- let's recognize, this is just a Band-Aid. 21:16:26:00 The extraordinary thing is, we have a president who's been in office three years with a fiscal crisis and a jobs crisis. The-- these unemployment numbers we're seeing, they're not just statistics, they're real people. They're young people that can't start their lives, can't go to college, they're people in their 50s that ex-- expected to be in their big earning years, and they're not gonna be able to-- to have the-- the kind of future they hope for. 21:16:47:00 And-- and this is a president who has not, at this stage, put forward a plan to get this economy going again. All he does is talk about little Band-Aids here and there throwing gasoline on a fire, on a few embers. The right thing to do is to talk about how he's gonna make America competitive again. I spoke with businesspeople all over the country and have been one myself for 25 years. 21:17:07:00 People aren't investing in America because this president has made America a less attractive place for investing and hiring than other places in the world. That's got to change. And it's a shame that we've got a president who thinks that being hands-on in the economy means working on his golf cred. You know, the-- the-- the right course for America is to have a president who understands the economy and will make that his-- his focus and put in place a plan to get this economy going. GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS: 21:17:31:00 I wanna grab that-- this conversation, but-- but very quickly, I believe Speaker Gingrich is also for extending the payroll taxes and so is Congressman Paul, Governor Perry, I believe you're against it-- some are so tur-- RICK PERRY: 21:17:40:00 Very much so. GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS: 21:17:41:00 Yeah, you're the only one I-- what is your position on it? RICK PERRY: 21:17:44:00 Is there a Social Security Trust Fund and-- or not? And is the Social Security system gonna be funded by payroll taxes or not? And the President of the United States runs around and talks about how Republicans don't care about Social Security and how they're gonna-- they're gonna rip apart the Social Security system, and he's the one defunding the Social Security system. 21:18:00:00 We're either gonna have a serious debate on how to fix Social Security, and we're not gonna do it by taking resources away from Social Security to pay benefits. So I'm-- I'm all for tax cuts, I-- I mean, I'll welcome the president to sit down with-- Republicans in Congress to work on a tax cut that's gonna create growth in the economy. But to-- to take the Social Security Trust Fund that is-- that is so sacrosanct to the Democrats when it comes for election time. 21:18:23:00 And then to use that as a tax and then try to beat up Republicans for-- for not supporting the tax cut is-- is absurd. You either care about Social Security and you wanna fund it, or you don't. GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS: 21:18:34:00 So it's very divided. Three and three, Congressman Paul, 30 seconds rebuttal, Senate-- 21:18:37:00 (OVERTALK) RON PAUL: 21:18:38:00 Well-- well I want to-- extend the tax cut, because if you don't, you raise the taxes. But I wanna pay for it. And it's not that difficult. In my proposal, in my budget, I wanna cut hundreds of billions of dollars from overseas. The trust fund is gone. But how are we gonna restore it? We have to quit the spending. We have to quit this being the policemen of the world. 21:18:55:00 We don't need another war in Syria and another war in Iran. Just get rid of the embassy in Baghdad. We're pretending we're comin' home from Baghdad. We built an embassy there that cost a billion dollars and we're putting 17,000 contractors in there, pretending our troops are coming home. I could save-- 21:19:10:00 (GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS: UNINTEL) RON PAUL: 21:19:11:00 --and we don't have to raise taxes on Social Security-- on the-- on the-- on the-- on the tax-- 21:19:17:00 (OVERTALK) GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS: 21:19:17:00 As I said, I do wanna broaden this out, and all of you have been debating for the past several months-- two big questions for this nomination fight. Who has the most consistent conservative candidate among you, and which of you is best able to defeat President Obama? And Governor Romney, Speaker Gingrich crystallized his argument a couple of weeks ago. He said, and I quote, "I'm a lot more conservative than Mitt Romney, and a lot more electable than anyone else." (LAUGH) I know you don't agree with that thought. (LAUGH) MITT ROMNEY: 21:19:44:00 Well, of course I don't agree with that. (LAUGHTER) I don't think most people agree with that. Speaker Gingrich has been in government for a long time and we can look at his record, we can look at my record. But really, this is more about-- about us talking about what we believe. And w-- and whether we can lead the country at a time when-- when we need to restore the kind of values that make America the greatest nation on Earth. 21:20:05:00 We have in Washington a president who believes in a fundamental transformation of America into an entitlement society. Where the government takes for some from some and gives to everybody else. And the only people that do real well in that setting are the people in the government. This nation was founded on the principle of being a merit society, where education, hard work, risk taking, have lifted certain individual, and they have helped lift-- lift the entire nation. 21:20:28:00 That's what's going on today. And the reason I oughta be the nominee of our party is I believe I can take that message to our president and to the American people. And they'll say, "Mitt Romney understands the economy 'cause he's lived in it." I understand a merit-based society, I believe in the principles that made America the greatest nation on Earth. And Speaker Gingrich and I have a lot of places where we disagree, we'll talk about those-- GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS: 21:20:49:00 Why don't you name them? MITT ROMNEY: 21:20:49:00 What, places where we disagree? Let's see-- we can start with-- with his idea to-- to have-- a lunar colony that would mine-- minerals from the-- from the moon, I'm not in favor of spendin' that kinda money-- to do that. (LAUGHTER) He said that he would-- he would like to-- eliminate in some cases the child labor laws so that kids could clean schools. I don't agree with that-- that idea. 21:21:12:00 His plan in capital gains, to remove capital gains for people-- at the very highest level of income is different than mine. I'd-- I'd-- eliminate capital gains, interest, and dividends for people in middle income. So-- we have differences of viewpoint on-- on some issues. But-- but the real difference, I believe, is our backgrounds. I spent my life in the private sector. 21:21:31:00 I-- I understand how the economy works. And I believe that for Americans to-- to say goodbye to President Obama and elect a Republican, they need to have confidence that the person they're electing knows how to make this economy work again and create jobs for the American middle class. GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS: 21:21:47:00 Your response? NEWT GINGRICH: 21:21:49:00 (THROAT CLEAR) Just a second. You had four allegations, do I get four responses? GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS: 21:21:53:00 Take your time. (LAUGHTER) NEWT GINGRICH: 21:21:55:00 Okay. Let's start with the last one, let-- let's be candid. The only reason you didn't become a career politician is you lost to Teddy Kennedy in 1994. (LAUGHTER) MITT ROMNEY: 21:22:03:00 Now-- now wait a second, that-- (AUDIENCE BOOING) I mean you'll-- Okay, go ahead. GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS: 21:22:11:00 --you'll get another response, go ahead. MITT ROMNEY: 21:22:12:00 Okay. (LAUGH) NEWT GINGRICH: 21:22:14:00 Do I-- do I get to-- continue-- MITT ROMNEY: 21:22:15:00 Please, please. NEWT GINGRICH: 21:22:16:00 No, and I'm just saying, I've-- I looked at it, I thought, you know, I'm a citizen, I've served the country in many ways, you're a citizen, you served the country in many ways. But it's a bit much, you'da been a 17-year career politician by now, if you'd won. That's-- that's all I'm saying on that one. 21:22:29:00 Now number two, I'm proud of trying to find things that give young people a reason to study science and math and technology and telling them that some day in their lifetime, they could dream of going to the moon, they could dream of going to Mars. I grew up in a generation where the space program was real, where it was important, and where frankly it is tragic that NASA has been so bureaucratized, aims at you-- Iowa-- Iowa State's a perfect example. 21:22:53:00 Iowa State's doing brilliant things, attracting brilliant students. I wanna give them places to go and things to do. And I'm happy to defend the idea that America should be in space and should be there in an aggressive, entrepreneurial way. Third, as to schools, I think virtually every person up here worked at a young age. What I suggested was, kids oughta be allowed to work part-time in school, particularly in the poorest neighborhoods, both because they could use the money. 21:23:16:00 If you take one-half of the New York janitors who are unionized and paid more than the teachers, an entry-level janitor gets paid twice as much as an entry-level teacher. You take half of those janitors, you could give virtually-- you could give lots of poor kids a work experience in the cafeteria and the school library and-- and front office, and a lot of different things. 21:23:35:00 I'll stand by the idea, young people oughta learn how to work. Middle class kids do it routinely. We should give poor kids the same chance to pursue happiness. Finally (APPLAUSE) on-- finally on capital gains taxes I asked you about this at Dartmouth (?). I'm astonished, you're a businessman. You wanna create jobs. A $200,000 cap on or capital gains tax cut is lower than Obama. 21:23:59:00 Now you know if you really wanna create jobs, you wanna-- you wanna encourage the people who make more than $200,000 who actually have capital to invest the capital in the U.S. I'll stick with zero capital gains will create vastly more jobs than your proposal-- 21:24:13:00 (OVERTALK) GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS: 21:24:13:00 Governor Romney, your response, then I wanna bring in the others. MITT ROMNEY: 21:24:14:00 Yeah, yeah. My proposal actually does create 11.5 million jobs, and it does so by a higher-- a G.D.P. growth rate than we've seen over these last Obama years. And-- and in my view, the place that we could spend our precious tax dollars for a tax cut is on the middle class, that's been most hurt by the Obama economy. That's where I wanna eliminate taxes on interest dividends and capital gains. 21:24:35:00 And with regards to the idea that if I'da beaten Ted Kennedy I coulda been a career politician, that's probably true. If I would've been able to get in the NFL liked I hope when I was a kid, why, I woulda been a football star all my life too, (LAUGHTER) but-- but I-- but I-- (APPLAUSE) I spent-- I spent my life in the private sector. Losing to pl-- Teddy Kennedy was probably the best thing I coulda done for-- for preparing me for the job I'm seeking, because it-- it put me back in the private sector. I worked in the private sector, I learned lessons that are desperately needed in Washington. GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS: 21:25:07:00 I wanna bring-- MITT ROMNEY: 21:25:07:00 We don't need-- we don't need folks who are lifetime-- lifetime Washington people to-- to-- to get this country out of the mess it's in. We need people from outside Washington, outside K Street. And by the way, one more thing, to have kids work in the-- in the library and to-- and to help out in school and to clean the blackboards does not require changing our-- our-- our child labor laws in this country. We of course should encourage more kids to-- 21:25:29:00 (OVERTALK) GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS: 21:25:28:00 We will-- we will come back to that, I wanna bring Congressman Paul in on this, because-- Congressman, you've been running ads that are quite tough-- RON PAUL: 21:25:36:00 Quite what? GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS: 21:25:36:00 Quite tough on Speaker Gingrich here in Iowa this week, accusing him of quote, and this is a quote from your ad, "serial hypocrisy." Why do you think Speaker Gingrich is a hypocrite? RON PAUL: 21:25:48:00 Well, he's been on different positions, you know, on so many issues. You know, single payer-- he's taken some positions that are not conservative. He-- he supported the TARP funds. And-- the other-- really annoy-- should've (LAUGH) annoyed a lot of people, he received a lot of money from Freddie Mac. Now, Freddie Mac is essentially a government organization. 21:26:09:00 While he was earning a lot of money from Freddie Mac, I was fighting over a decade to try to explain to people where the housing bubble was coming from. So Freddie Mac is bailed out by the tax payers. So in a way, Newt, I think you probably (LAUGH) got some of our tax payer's money. They g-- they got taxed, and they got money on, and they're still getting bailed out. 21:26:28:00 But-- you're a spokesman for 'em and you received money for 'em, so I think-- I think this is-- something that-- the people oughta know about. But there's been many positions, and you have admitted many of the positions where you have changed positions. But-- you know, if you were lookin' for a consistent position, you know, I-- I think there's gonna be a little bit of trouble anybody competing with me on consistency. (LAUGHTER) (APPLAUSE) 21:26:52:00 (OFF-MIC CONVERSATION) NEWT GINGRICH: 21:26:56:00 Well, first of all, as you say in your own, normally in your own speeches, the housing bubble came from the Federal Reserve inflating the money supply. Now, that's the core of the housing bubble and I happen to be with you on auditing the Fed and on fund-- and frankly on firing Bernanke. Second, I was never a spokesman for any agency, I never did any lobbying for any agency. I offered strategic advice. I was in the private sector. And I was doing things (LAUGHTER) in the private sector. RON PAUL: 21:27:21:00 Oh come-- okay, okay. (LAUGHTER) (APPLAUSE) 21:27:24:00 (OVERTALK) RON PAUL: 21:27:25:00 --private sector. (LAUGH) NEWT GINGRICH: 21:27:25:00 And-- and when you're in the private sector, and you have a company and you offer advice like McKinsey does, like a bunch of other companies do, you're allowed to charge money for it. GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS: 21:27:35:00 All right-- NEWT GINGRICH: 21:27:35:00 Ca-- ca-- it's called free enterprise. RON PAUL: 21:27:37:00 It's the tax payer's money though, we had to bail these people out-- NEWT GINGRICH: 21:27:39:00 Well I was-- I'm not for bailing them out, in fact, I'm for breaking them up. GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS: 21:27:42:00 Let me bring Congresswoman Bachmann in on this, because you make similar accusations against Speaker Gingrich. You called him a "poster boy of crony capitalism." Did he answer your concerns? MICHELE BACHMANN: 21:27:51:00 Well, when you're talking about taking over $100 million, and when your office is on the Rodeo Drive of Washington D.C., which is K Street, and you're taking money to influence the outcome of legislation in Washington, that's the epitome of the establishment, that's the epitome of a consummate insider. But your question was, who's the proven con-- constitutional conservative in this race, and that would be me. 21:28:16:00 I'm 55 years old, I've spent 50 years in the real world as a private business woman living real life and-- and building a real business. But you have to take a look at the candidates that-- that are on the stage. You started out with Mitt Romney with Newt Gan-- Gingrich, asking them about whether or not they're the conservative in this race. 21:28:33:00 But you have to take a look. You-- when you look at Newt Gingrich, for 20 years, he's been advocating for the individual mandate in healthcare. That's-- that's longer than Barack Obama. Or if you look at Mitt Romney as the governor of Massachusetts, he's the only governor that put into place socialized medicine. No other governor did. Our nominee has to stand on a stage and debate Barack Obama and be completely different. 21:28:59:00 I led 40,000 Americans to Washington D.C., to the Capitol, to fight ObamaCare. I didn't advocate for it. If you look at-- at-- at Newt/Romney, they were for ObamaCare principles. If you look at Newt/Romney, they were for cap and trade. If you look at Newt/Romney, they were for the illegal immigration problem. And if you look at (LAUGH) Newt/Romney, they were for the $700 billion bailout. And you just heard Newt/Romney is also with Obama on the issue of the payroll extension. GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS: 21:29:31:00 Okay. MICHELE BACHMANN: 21:29:32:00 So if you want a difference, Michele Bachmann is the proven conservative. It's not Newt/Romney. GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS: 21:29:37:00 You threw-- you threw a lot out there. (APPLAUSE) So let's get both-- both of them a chance to respond, Speaker Gingrich, you go first, because you were in there twice-- also on r-- on-- Romney, and then-- NEWT GINGRICH: 21:29:46:00 Okay-- those four points-- GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS: 21:29:47:00 --Senator Romney, right go ahead. NEWT GINGRICH: 21:29:48:00 Well, Michele, you know, a lot of what you say just isn't true, period. I have never-- I have-- I oppose cap and trade, I testified against it, the same day that Al Gore testified for it. I helped defeat it in the Senate through American solutions. It is simply untrue. I fought against ObamaCare at every step of the way. I did it with-- the Center for Health Transformation was actively opposed, we actively campaigned against it. 21:30:12:00 You know, I think it's important for you, and the-- this is a fair game, and everybody gets to-- to-- to pick fights. It's important that you be accurate when you say these things. Those are not true. And most of the money I made, frankly, I made in ways that are totally-- had nothing to do with anything you've described. I did no lobbying, no representation. And frankly, my-- my speech-- my-- my speech money and other things I did, they had nothing to do with that. 21:30:36:00 It was a lot larger source of income. So, you know, I've had 24 books and I've had 13 New York Times best-sellers. Now-- that was not people who wanted influence running around buying my books. I know that doesn't fit your model, it happens to be true. MICHELE BACHMANN: 21:30:48:00 Can I respond? (APPLAUSE) GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS: 21:30:49:00 Thirty seconds, then Governor Romney. MICHELE BACHMANN: 21:30:51:00 Well you'd have to go back to 1993 when Newt first advocated for the individual mandate in healthcare, and as recently as May of this year, he was still advocating for the individual mandate in healthcare. And Governor Romney sent his team to the White House to meet with President Obama to teach them how to spread the RomneyCare model across the nation. That's why I say, Newt/Romney, you've got to have our nominee as someone who is a stark, distinct difference with President Obama. 21:31:22:00 Who can go toe to toe and hold him accountable. President Obama knows me in Washington D.C. I've taken him on on issue after issue. Our nominee has to be willing to not agree with Barack Obama the-- on these issues, but stand 180° opposite of all the candidates on this stage I've been fighting President Obama for every year that I've been there, and I've taken him on. And I will take him on in the debate and defeat him. GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS: 21:31:48:00 Governor Romney. (APPLAUSE) MITT ROMNEY: 21:31:51:00 I know Newt Gingrich. And Newt Gingrich is a friend of mine. But, he and I are not clones, I promise. (LAUGH) That-- that is not the case. So this Newt Gingrich thing, we gotta get that out of our mind altogether-- Newt and Romney thing, sorry. Let-- let me say this about-- about health care. One, I didn't send a team of anybody to meet with Barack Obama. I wish he'd have given me a call. I wish when he was putting together his health care plan, he'd have had the courtesy and-- and perhaps the judgment to say, "Let me-- let me talk to a governor. Let's talk to somebody who's dealt with a real problem that-- that understands this topic," and get on the phone. 21:32:23:00 I'd have said (BACKGROUND VOICE), "Mr. President, you're going down a very, very bad path. Do not continue going down that path because what you're gonna do is you're gonna raise taxes on the American people. You're gonna cut Medicare. Let's not forget, only one president has ever cut Medicare for seniors in this country, and it's Barack Obama. We're gonna remind him of that time and time again. 21:32:41:00 And finally, the plan we put in place in Massachusetts, it deals with the 8% of our people who didn't have insurance. The 92% of people who did have insurance, nothing changes for them. If I'm President of the United States, we're gonna get rid of ObamaCare and return, under our constitution, the 10th Amendment, the responsibility and care of health care to the people in the states. GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS: 21:33:01:00 I wanna bring Governor Perry-- (APPLAUSE) you've heard this argument, I wonder which side you come down on. RICK PERRY: 21:33:08:00 Yeah, well, I-- I'm-- I'm stunned, 'cause-- the fact of the matter is, you know, Michele kinda hit the nail on the head when we talked about the individual mandate. Both of these gentlemen have been for the-- individual mandate. And I'm even more stunned, Mitt, that you said you wished you could've talked to Obama and said-- "You're goin' down the wrong path," because that is exactly the path that you've taken Massachusetts. The Beacon Hill study itself said that there's been 18,000 jobs lost because of that individual mandate. 21:33:38:00 The study continued to say that there've been over $8 billion of additional cost. I wish you coulda had the conversation with the people of Massachusetts a long time before that phone call would've been with-- the-- President Obama, 'cause the fact of the matter is, you're for individual mandate. And you can get up and stand-- up and talk about, you know, "I'm against it now. And I'm gonna-- rescind ObamaCare. I'm gonna repeal ObamaCare." But the record is very clear. You and Newt were for individual mandates. And that is the problem. And the question is then, "Who can stand on the stage, look Obama in the eye, and say, 'ObamaCare is an abomination for this country,'?" And I'm gonna do that. And I can take that fight to him and win that fight. DIANE SAWYER: 21:34:23:00 Governor Romney, (INAUDIBLE). (APPLAUSE) MITT ROMNEY: 21:34:27:00 A good deal of what you said was right. Some was wrong. Speaker Gingrich said that he was for a federal individual mandate. That's something I've always opposed. What we did in our state was designed by the people in our state for the needs of our state. You believe in the 10th Amendment. I believe in the 10th Amendment. The people of Massachusetts favor our plan three to one. They don't like it, they can get rid of it. (COUGH) That's the great thing about (COUGH) a democracy, where individuals under the 10th Amendment have the power to craft their own solutions. 21:34:52:00 By the way, the-- the problem with President Obama's plan is it does three things we didn't in my opinion, among others. I understand we disagree on this. But among others, one, it raises taxes by $500 billion. We (NOISE) didn't raise taxes. Two, it cuts Medicare by $500 billion. We didn't do that, either. And three, it doesn't just deal with the people that don't have insurance. It's a 2,000-page bill that takes over health care for all the American people. It is wrong for health care. It's wrong for the American people. It's unconstitutional. And I'm absolutely adamantly opposed to ObamaCare. 21:35:25:00 And if I'm the President of the United States, I will return to the people and the states the power they have under the constitution and they can craft the solutions they think are best for them. And my view-- you had a mandate in your state. You mandate that girls at 12 years old had to get a vaccination for-- for a sexually-transmitted disease. So it's not like we have this big difference on mandates. We had different things we mandated over. I-- I wanted to give people health insurance. You want to get young girls-- a vaccine. There are differences. DIANE SAWYER: 21:35:51:00 Governor, if we could ask Speaker Gingrich to respond. NEWT GINGRICH: 21:35:54:00 Yeah, I-- I just wanna make one point that's historical. (CLEARS THROAT) In 1993, in fighting HillaryCare, virtually every conservative saw the mandate as a less-dangerous future than what Hillary was trying to do. The Heritage Foundation was a major advocate of it. After HillaryCare disappeared it became more and more obvious that mandates have all sorts of problems built into them. People gradually tried to find other techniques. I frankly was floundering, trying to find a way to make sure that people who could afford it were paying their hospital bills while still leaving an out so libertarians to not buy insurance. And that's what we're wrestling with. It's now clear that the mandate, I think, is clearly unconstitutional. But, it started as a conservative effort to stop HillaryCare in the 1990s. GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS: 21:36:38:00 Governor Perry. RICK PERRY: 21:36:38:00 I'm-- I'm-- (THROAT CLEARING) I'm listenin' to you, Mitt, and I'm hearin' you say all the right things. But I read your first book and it said in there that your mandate in Massachusetts which should be the model for the country. And I know it came out of-- of the-- the reprint of the book. But, you know, I'm just sayin', you were for individual mandates, my friend. MITT ROMNEY: 21:37:00:00 You know what? You've raised that before, Rick. And-- you're simply wrong. RICK PERRY: 21:37:02:00 It-- it-- it was true then. (CHUCKLE) It's true now. MITT ROMNEY: 21:37:04:00 That-- now, this-- Rick, I'll-- I'll tell you what. (CHUCKLE) 10,000 bucks-- (APPLAUSE) $10,000 bet? RICK PERRY: 21:37:12:00 I'm not in the bettin' business, but, okay. MITT ROMNEY: 21:37:14:00 Oh, I-- I'll-- RICK PERRY: 21:37:15:00 I'll show you the-- I'll-- I'll-- I'll show you the book. MITT ROMNEY: 21:37:16:00 I wrote-- I've got the book. And-- RICK PERRY: 21:37:18:00 And we'll show-- (LAUGH) MITT ROMNEY: 21:37:20:00 And I-- and I-- and I wrote the book. And I haven't-- and chapter seven is a section called The Massachusetts Model. And I say as close as I can quote, I say, "In my view, each state should be able to-- to fashion their own program for the specific needs of their distinct citizens." And then I go on to talk about the states being the laboratories of democracy. And we could learn from one another. I have not said, in that book, first edition or the latest edition, anything about our plan being a national mo-- model imposed on the nation. 21:37:49:00 The right course for America, and I said this durin' the debates the last time around, I'll say it now and time again, is to let individual states-- this is a remarkable nation. This idea of federalism is so extraordinary. Let states craft their own solutions. Don't have ObamaCare put on us by the federal government. MICHELE BACHMANN: 21:38:07:00 George and Diane-- 21:38:07:00 (OVERTALK) MICHELE BACHMANN: 21:38:08:00 George and Diane, can I just say something? This is such an important issue. We have one shot to get rid of ObamaCare, that's it. It is 2012. Do we honestly believe that two men who've just stood on this stage and defended RomneyCare when it was put in place in Massachusetts and the individual mandate when he proposed it in 1993, are they honestly going to get rid of it in 2012? MITT ROMNEY/NEWT GINGRICH: 21:38:33:00 Yes. MICHELE BACHMANN: 21:38:34:00 This is going to be a very-- (LAUGH) but, I don't think so. (CHEERING) It's gonna be a very heavy lift. GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS: 21:38:41:00 I gotta get Senator Santorum in here. MICHELE BACHMANN: 21:38:42:00 It's gonna be a very heavy lift. GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS: 21:38:44:00 Senator. RICK SANTORUM: 21:38:45:00 This is not about what you say at a debate or what you say in a campaign when you're talking to audiences that you wanna get-- that you-- that you know what you wanna hear. Back in 1994 when they would-- I was running for the United States Senate and I did not support an individual mandate and I was a conservative, I supported something called Medical Savings Accounts that I drafted with John Kasich when I was in the House because I believe in bottom-up solving the problems in America, not top-down government solutions. 21:39:10:00 That's what I learned-- I actually learned it, some of it, in listening to some of your GOPAC tapes. But, you've strayed on that issue, as you have on others. The record is important. But what the question was about a consistent conservative, well, you can't talk about whether someone's consistent unless you look at their record. And I'd agree with Michele. I mean, I think Michele has been consistent in-- as-- as a consistent conservative. But, she's been fighting and losing. I fought and won. I was in the United States Senate and I fought and-- and passed Welfare Reform. It-- I was the principal author when I was in the United States House and was-- and-- and managed the bill on the floor of the United States Senate. 21:39:45:00 I was the-- leader on-- on pro-life issues and pro-family issues. And I fought those issues and endured tough debates and won. I went out and fought on na-- national security issues, conservative things like putting sanctions on Iran. And again, the consistent track record of being there in good times and in bad, and I think you heard the difference-- you're not gonna hear them talk about all the positions I took and flip-flopped on. I was there. I led. And I won. 21:40:12:00 And if you're lookin' for someone who can be a consistent conservative, and there's others on this platform, but who can lead the fight, win the issues, and plus, win in states that are important for us to win elections like Pennsylvania and-- GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS: 21:40:25:00 I-- I-- I'm tryin' to be-- we've tried to-- I'll-- I'll-- I'll risk using the word, we've tried to be liberal with the time. But, the time (LAUGH)-- (UNINTEL)close as we can. We-- and we are running up against a commercial break, but it did invoke you kinda swimming backwards, so 30 seconds to respond. MICHELE BACHMANN: 21:40:37:00 Well, you know, I think the important thing to know is that you fight and that you lead. And I led when I-- I was-- when I was in the United States Congress, we were in the minority. Nancy Pelosi wasn't interested in my pro-- pro-- pro-- growth policy on health care. But, I didn't sit on my hands. I saw what was happening to this country. Our country was going to lose because of socialized medicine. 21:41:00:00 And so I did everything I could, including bringing and leading 40,000 people to the Capitol to get the attention of the-- of the Congress to get rid of ObamaCare. As President of the United States, my proven consistent record will be that I will take on every special interest. I will take on K Street. And I will pre-lobby. And I'll make sure that I help elect 13 more Republican U.S. Senators so we have 60 senators in the Senate, a full complement in the House. And I won't rest until we repeal ObamaCare. You can take it to the bank. RICK SANTORUM: 21:41:35:00 But, if I can-- if I can res-- if I can respond to that, because she referenced that-- she referenced there (BACKGROUND VOICE) are differences between the two of us, I was in the minority in the House of Representatives, too. And along with Jim Nussle from here in Iowa, I-- we formed a-- a group called the Gang of Seven and we won. We exposed the House banking scandal. We overturned a huge scandal. We-- we sent the-- eventually sent the Chairman of the Ways and Means Committee, Dan Rostenkowski ended up in jail, because, no, we didn't just fight. But we fight and we figured out a way to win, even in the minority. DIANE SAWYER: 21:42:04:00 And we wanna thank all of you. And again, these are the rules that you set up. We wanna be fair. And we wanna hear everything you have to say. These issues are so important. But, it really does help if you stick to the rules that were agreed on. And we appreciate that. And if-- we could, when we come back, we're gonna tackle some other very big issues, immigration, big questions about foreign policy, and also one about states and family values. And that will be when we come back. (MUSIC) ANNOUNCER: 21:42:32:00 You're watching live ABC News coverage of the Iowa Republican Party debate. (MUSIC) 21:42:41:00 (COMMERCIAL BREAK) MITT ROMNEY: 21:44:48:00 (MUSIC) The real difference, I believe, is our backgrounds. I spent my life in the private sector. I understand how the economy works. And I believe that for Americans to-- to say goodbye to President Obama and elect a Republican, they need to have confidence that the person they're electing knows how to make this economy work again and create jobs for the American middle class. GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS: 21:45:07:00 Your response? NEWT GINGRICH: 21:45:10:00 (CLEARS THROAT) Just a second. We had four allegations. Do I get four responses? GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS: 21:45:14:00 Take your time. (THROAT CLEARING) (CHUCKLE) NEWT GINGRICH: 21:45:15:00 Okay. Let's-- let's start with the last one. Let's be candid. The only reason you didn't become a career politician is you lost to Teddy Kennedy in 1994. (BOOS) MITT ROMNEY: 21:45:24:00 Now-- now wait a second, now wait a second. That's-- that was-- that was-- GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS: 21:45:31:00 That was-- you'll-- you'll get another response, go ahead. NEWT GINGRICH: 21:45:34:00 Do-- do I get to go ahead and continue? MITT ROMNEY: 21:45:35:00 Please, please. NEWT GINGRICH: 21:45:36:00 No, and I'm just saying-- MICHELE BACHMANN: 21:45:37:00 You want a difference, Michele Bachmann is a proven conservative. It's not Newt Romney. MALE VOICE: 21:45:42:00 You threw-- you threw a lot out there. (APPLAUSE) ANNOUNCER: 21:45:44:00 Back live from Des Moines, Iowa (INAUDIBLE). 21:46:09:00 (OFF-MIC CONVERSATION) ANNOUNCER: 21:47:56:00 Live from Drake University in Des Moines, Iowa, once again, Diane Sawyer and George Stephanopoulos. GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS: 21:48:04:00 We are back. It has been a rocking debate so far. And we want to get to another issue that you all talked about extensively in this campaign, and that is values, family, and faith. Governor Romney and Governor Perry, you both made it a feature of ads you ran in Iowa this week, which leads to this question from our partners at the Des Moines Register. And we're gonna show it up on the screen. "Should voters consider marital fidelity in making their choices for president?" And-- and Governor Perry, in South Carolina this week you said this is an important issue. Why? RICK PERRY: 21:48:35:00 Well-- it-- I said that-- not only did I make a vow to my wife, but I made a vow to God. And-- that's pretty heavy liftin' in my book. When I make a vow to God-- then-- I would suggest to you that's-- even stronger than a handshake in Texas. (APPLAUSE) GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS: 21:48:58:00 The question is-- is about its relevance to the presidential race. So, let me just follow up quickly. Do you think a candidate who breaks his marital vows is more likely to break faith with voters? RICK PERRY: 21:49:06:00 Well, you know, I-- I think the voters are wise enough to figure that one out. I've always kind of been of the opinion that-- if you cheat on your wife, you'll cheat on your business partner. So-- I think that-- issue of fidelity is-- important. I mean, it's-- it-- it's a characteristic of which people look at-- individuals, whether it's in their business lives or whether it's in their personal lives, or whether it's pickin' someone that-- served-- in public office for them. 21:49:32:00 Individuals who have been-- fidelit-- in-- in fidelity with-- with their spouse-- I think that sends a very powerful message. If you will cheat on your wife, if you will cheat on your spouse, then why wouldn't you cheat on your business partner or why wouldn't you cheat on anybody for that matter? GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS: 21:49:49:00 Senator Santorum, you ran this week, last Sunday, and you-- summed up your position of character counts. You said this is relevant as well. RICK SANTORUM: 21:49:57:00 I-- I think character issues do count. And I think-- all-- all of-- all of your record-- personal as well as political record is there-- for the public to look at. I would not say it's a disqualifier. I wouldn't go that far. I think people make mistakes and-- you are held accountable to those mistakes and-- the public can listen to-- the circumstances and-- and make their decision. 21:50:20:00 But certainly, it's a factor. And it-- and it should be a factor. You're electing a leader. You're electing someone that trust is everything, and particularly in this election. This election, the people of this-- of Iowa-- I hear this all the time. Who can we trust? And I-- I go out and talk about my record. I talk about the fact that I've been married 21 years and have seven children. 21:50:40:00 I talk about the fact that I'm-- I have a record of consistent-- and-- and conservative politics. I talk about-- you know, my past. I think that's important, and for the people to go and determine whether they're trustworthy enough to earn their support. GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS: 21:50:54:00 Congressman Paul, what's your view on this? RON PAUL: 21:50:56:00 You know, I think character is, obviously-- very important. I-- I don't think it should be necessary to have to talk about it. I think it should show through in the way we live. And I think it should show through in-- in a marriage. And I happen to have been married for 54 years and family person. But, I don't think we should have to talk about it. But, you know what? (UNINTEL) is-- every bit as important. It-- if your marriage vows are important, what about our oath of office? That's what really gets to me. 21:51:21:00 That's where you're really on the line as a public figure. And that's where I think a lot of people come up real short. Because there's many times that I have been forced to Congress because I take my oath very seriously. I am up sometimes, believe it or not, voting all by myself (CHUCKLE) thinking that, "Why aren't there people paying att-- why don't they read Article One, Section Eight?" You know, if-- if we took that oath of office seriously in Washington, we'd get rid of 80% of the government. 21:51:46:00 The budget would be balanced. We'd have sound money. And we would have prosperity. And we wouldn't be the policemen of the world. We wouldn't have a Federal Reserve System, and we wouldn't be invading the privacy of every single individual in this country with bills like the Patriot Act. We'd have a free society and a prosperous society. (APPLAUSE) GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS: 21:52:08:00 Governor Romney, you-- you chose to make your family and your faith-- the feature of your first ad here in Iowa this week. Why? MITT ROMNEY: 21:52:15:00 Well, actually-- the president, President Obama's PAC-- came out with an ad attacking me-- and said that I'm-- I'm not a person of core values, I'm not-- I don't have a core. And we said-- you know in my prior campaigns I've come out with ads that show who I am and why I've gotten in this race. And that relates to my family and my kids. I'm really concerned about America. I think the issue people have to concentrate on is-- is, "Who can lead America to a place where we-- we don't become a Greece or an Italy?" 21:52:41:00 Because, frankly, that's the path we're on. That's where we're going. Who can make sure that America's values, our merit-based society, continues to be the-- the hallmark of what allows our economy to create jobs? Who can make sure that it's good to be middle class in America again? Who can make sure that America is the job-creating engine it once w-- once was? Who can make sure that the kids going to school know that when they get outta school, they're gonna have a job waiting for them that meets the-- the-- the kinda skills that they've created? 21:53:06:00 I-- I believe I'm that person. And-- and part of my motivation for doing those things is I love this country, I love the values of this country, a-- and I wanna make sure that-- that my kids and my grandkids, and I have quite a few of them, 16, that they have an America that's as prosperous as the America that I've enjoyed and just as free. GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS: 21:53:23:00 I wanna get-- Congressman-- Congresswoman Bachmann and then Speaker Gingrich, you wrap this up. MICHELE BACHMANN: 21:53:28:00 Well, the founders spoke about this. And the question was asked, "What is it that we need to have in the president?" And they wrote in the Federalist Papers. They didn't look at wealth. They didn't look at education. They didn't look at position. (COUGH) They looked at just one issue. And it was, "What's the measure of a man? Or, what's the measure of a woman, in our case, for being the next president of the United States. Will they keep their word? Will they be a man or woman of integrity?" That's what they cared about. 21:53:55:00 That was more important than anything else. And I think-- here in Iowa, that's what I've seen. That is also what people care about. Who are you, really? What is your center? What's your core? What's your world view? What drives you? And so people want to know, "What's your faith?" I'm-- I'm a Christian. I'm-- I'm unashamed and unapologetic about that. I have a strong faith. I made a proclamation of my faith in Christ when I was 16. And I don't mind if people ask me those questions or ask me about my husband or our family. I'm happy to talk about that, because after all, people (COUGH) need to take the measure of the man or the measure of the woman when they make that decision. GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS: 21:54:32:00 Speaker Gingrich, what do voters need to know about this issue from your perspective? NEWT GINGRICH: 21:54:35:00 Well, (CLEARS THROAT) first of all, I think it is a real issue. And people have to look at the person whom they're gonna loan the presidency. And they have the-- they have the right to ask every single question. They have to have a feeling that this is a person that they can trust with the level of power we give to the presidency. And I think it's a very, very important issue. And I think people have to render judgment. In my case, I've said up-front openly I've made mistakes at times. I've had to go to God for forgiveness. I've had to seek reconciliation. But I'm also a 68-year-old grandfather. And I think people have to measure who I am now and whether I'm a person they can trust. And all I can tell you is that, you know, I am-- delighted at the way people have been willing to look at who I am, to look at what my record has been, and the amount of support we're getting from the American people and from all across the State of Iowa, the number of people who have supported-- the candidacy of real change and a record of real change. DIANE SAWYER: 21:55:27:00 And I'd like to turn now, if we can, to the issue of immigration. And so many people talk about it in their living room, talk about it around their dinner tables at night-- if I can. And can we just do one thing for the interest of time? Can we stipulate that every single person on this stage tonight has said the number one thing to do is secure the borders, secure the borders, secure the borders, secure the borders. You may have slightly different prescriptions to do it. But, we stipulate that, that that's what you all want to do first. 21:55:57:00 I'd like to turn, now, the question, the 11 million undocumented people in this country. And Speaker Gingrich, I'm gonna come back to you because you have talked about citizen review boards to review individual cases, that treated them in individual basis. You-- you've-- you mentioned the fact that someone who's been here 25 years, served the community, should get special consideration under this board. How many years is the threshold for your-- is it five years-- has served the community under the criteria that you've set out before, five years also a candidate? NEWT GINGRICH: 21:56:39:00 I think, first of all, that anybody you would apply to a-- the citizen review board idea came out of a selective service model. It was used as draft boards in World War II. We relied on the local citizens to render judgment about who oughta be deferred, who oughta be drafted. Did they have local knowledge? That's the starting point. 21:56:56:00 Second, I started wi-- with-- with cases that I think are very hard to-- to argue about. Someone who's been here 25 years, somebody who has been a good local citizen, may well belong to your church, has children and grandchildren in the United States, and I will just say flatly, I do not believe the people of the United States are gonna send the police in to rip that kinda person out and ship them outta this country, (COUGH) particularly because those are precisely the people that end up in churches as sanctuaries. 21:57:25:00 And I think we oughta be honest about that. I think most of the workers who are here who have no ties to us should go home immediately. I think we should make deportation dramatically easier. This is, I think frankly we oughta make English the official language of government. And we oughta have an effective guest worker program with very severe penalties for those employers who hire people illegally. DIANE SAWYER: 21:57:44:00 But, the Pew Center for Hispanic Center, as you know, has said that maybe 3.5 million people could come under the criteria that you laid out. NEWT GINGRICH: 21:57:53:00 I-- I don't think there's 3.5 million people who've been here 25 years. DIANE SAWYER: 21:57:57:00 But they're talking about people who have been here 15 years. 15 years. NEWT GINGRICH: 21:58:01:00 Well, I wasn't. They were. You used a number that doesn't relate to my proposal. DIANE SAWYER: 21:58:05:00 But, under the criteria that you have set out, do you have a threshold on the number of people you would consider before the review board? NEWT GINGRICH: 21:58:12:00 Well, I-- that's why you have the citizen review panel. The per-- the person has to have been here 25 years, have genuine ties to the community, be a good citizen, and have an American family sponsor them. And they still don't get citizenship. This is not amnesty. They get residency. And they pay a penalty in order to get residency. DIANE SAWYER: 21:58:30:00 Okay, I'm gonna turn it to k-- to Governor Romney because we heard Speaker Gingrich say we're not gonna round people up and deport them. And I think at one point-- you said something similar in a meeting at Bloomberg that-- that they're not going to be tracking everybody down and moving them out. And yet, to our colleague David Muir-- wanna try to clarify something. You said, "You seem to indicate that people should go back home to their country." And in some cases it may mean as much as five years if they get at the back of the line or more. Are you saying-- how many people should be sent back home to their countries? Should they be tracked down to establish who they are, sent back home to their country? MITT ROMNEY: 21:59:16:00 I-- I believe that any time that we start talking about a-- a form of amnesty, whether it's technically amnesty or not, when we start talking about how people have been able to come here and stay illegally for some period of time, that they're gonna be able to stay here permanently and become a permanent resident of the United States with-- with rights to our education system, our health care system, and so forth, we will then create another magnet that draws people into our country illegally. 21:59:41:00 So, the right course for us is to, once again, talk about what you described. Secure the border. Once we do that, we can start talking about the 11 million or whatever number that may be that are in the country illegally. My own view is those 11-- 11 million people should register the fact that they're here in the country. They should be given some transition period of time to allow them to-- settle their affairs and then return home and get in the-- in line at the back of the line with everybody else that wants to come here. 22:00:08:00 Don't forget, when we talk about-- about-- the difficulty of people going home, there are millions of people who-- many of whom have relatives here in this country who are in line, who want to come here. I want to bring people into this country who have skill, experience, family here who want to draw them in. I do not want to do something. (NOISE) I do not want to do something which encourages another wave of illegal immigration. So, from my view-- viewpoint, the key-- the key measure is this: No favoritism for permanent residency or citizenship for those that have come here illegally. DIANE SAWYER: 22:00:41:00 So, you've said all 11 million. If I could Governor Perry-- there is a case or there are a number of these cases of-- of people who have signed up for the military, the U.S. military, who have been undocumented but nonetheless go and sign up. What should happen with them? GOVERNOR RICK PERRY: 22:00:58:00 Well, let me-- address the issue that you asked from the start, and obviously securing that border is the-- is the key. And any of these conversations that we're having now are nothing more than intellectual-- discussions until you secure that border. 22:01:12:00 But if this country would simply enforce the laws that are already on the book, you think about all of the laws that we have that are already out there, laws that clearly saw-- that-- that, "Here are punishments," and, "Here's what will happen." If this country would simply enforce the laws that we have on the book-- I will tell you one thing: As the president of the United States, you will not see me sending my Justice Department to sue states like Arizona that are havin' to sovereign rights, I think, put in jeopardy by our Justice Department. 22:01:49:00 You will not see a catch and release program like this administration has today th-- where people who are caught who are illegally in this country, and because they haven't been (RUSTLING) caught in a violent situation, they're released. Released into the general population. That's the problem that we've got in this country. 22:02:11:00 I would suggest to you we spend time with the laws that we've got on the book being enforced, we'll have a substantial smaller number of people of which we're gonna have to make decisions about at that particular point in time. And then we can have a legitimate conversation about immigration reform. GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS: 22:02:29:00 I wanna change subjects now because-- (APPLAUSE) foreign policy was-- Speaker Gingrich caused something of a stir overnight in the Middle East with comments he made in interview with the Jewish channel in which he called the Palestinians an invented people. And-- I just wondered-- G-- Congressman Paul, if I can start with you: Do you agree with that characterization, that the Palestinians are an invented people? CONGRESSMAN RON PAUL: 22:02:52:00 N-- no, I don't agree with that. And that's just stirrin' up trouble. And I-- I believe in a non-interventionist foreign policy. I don't think we should get in the middle of these squabbles. But to go out of our way and say that so-and-so is not a real people? Technically and historically, yes-- you know, under the Ottoman Empire, the Palestinians didn't have a state, but neither did Israel have a state then too. 22:03:13:00 But this is how we get involved in so many messes. And I think it just fails on the side of-- practicing a little bit of diplomacy, getting ourselves (LAUGH) into trouble mentioning things that are unnecessary. The people in those regions should be dealing with these problems; we shouldn't be dealing with these things. 22:03:30:00 But-- historically, it-- it-- you know, under the Ottoman Empire, that i-- that is-- technically-- correct. But to make these decisions in deciding what the settlement's going to be should be the people that are involved. This idea that we can be the policemen of the world and settle all these disputes, I mean, soon we'll have to quit because we're flat out broke. But we-- we cannot continue to get into these issues like this and-- and-- and-- and getting ourselves into more trouble. GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS: 22:04:00:00 Speaker Gingrich, as I've said, this has caused quite a reaction in-- in the Middle East. The chief Palestinian negotiator, Sa-- Saeb Erekat, said, "Mark my words: These statements of Gingrich will be the ammunition and weapons of the bin Ladens and the extremists for a long, long time." SPEAKER NEWT GINGRICH: 22:04:13:00 How would he know the difference? Look from historic, George, simply. Is-- is what I said factually correct? Yes. Is it historically true? Yes. Are we in a situation where every day, rockets are fired into Israel while the United States, the current administration, tries to pressure the Israelis into a peace process? 22:04:33:00 Hamas does not admit the-- the right of Israel to exist, and says publicly, "Not a single Jew will remain." The Palestinian Authority ambassador to India said last month, "There is no difference between Fatah and Hamas. We both agree Israel has no right to exist." 22:04:50:00 Somebody oughta have the courage to tell the truth: These people are terrorists. They teach terrorism in their schools. They have textbooks that say, "If there are 13 Jews and nine Jews are killed, how many Jews are left?" We pay for those textbooks through our aid money. It's fundamentally-- time for somebody to have the guts to stand up and say, "Enough lying about the Middle East." GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS: 22:05:09:00 Governor Romney, (APPLAUSE) you just heard the Speaker say he was just telling the truth. Do you take any issue with that characterization of the Palestinians as an invented people? GOVERNOR MITT ROMNEY: 22:05:22:00 I-- I happen to agree with-- with most of what the speaker said, except by going down and saying the Palestinians are an invented people. That I think was a mistake on the speaker's part. I-- I think-- you-- you-- I think the speaker would probably suggest that as well. I-- I don't think we want to-- 22:05:35:00 (SPEAKER NEWT GINGRICH: UNINTEL) GOVERNOR MITT ROMNEY: 22:05:37:00 Maybe not. I-- (LAUGHTER) I think we're very wise to stand with our friends, Israel, and not get out ahead of them. This president decided he was gonna try and negotiate for Israel by sayin', "Let's go back to the '67 borders." That's not what Israel wanted to h-- hear. 22:05:51:00 They-- Israel does not want us to make it more difficult for them to sit down with the Palestinians. Ultimately, the Palestinians and the Israelis are gonna have to agree on how they're gonna settle the-- the differences between them. And the United States-- 22:06:02:00 (OVERTALK) GOVERNOR MITT ROMNEY: 22:06:03:00 --and the-- and the United States of America should not jump ahead of Bibi Netanyahu and say something that makes it more difficult for him to-- to do his job. My view is this: We stand with the Israeli people. We link arms with them. If we disagree with them, like this president has time and time again, we don't do it in public like he's done it, we do it in private. 22:06:21:00 And we let the Israeli leadership describe what they believe the right course is going forward. We don't negotiate for the Israeli people. We stand with the Israeli people, stand with our friends, and make it very clear: We are gonna t-- we're gonna tell the truth, but we're not gonna throw incendiary words into a-- a place which is-- a boiling pot when our friends the Israelis would probably say, "What in the world are you doin'?" GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS: 22:06:43:00 So there you have it, Mr. Speaker. He says this is gonna make life more difficult for the Israelis. SPEAKER NEWT GINGRICH: 22:06:47:00 The Israelis are getting rocketed every day. The-- we're not making life more difficult. The Obama administration's making life more difficult. The fact is, the Palestinian claim to a right of return is based on a historically false story. Somebody oughta have the courage to go all the way back to the 1921 League of Nations mandate for a Jewish homeland, point out the context in which Israel came into existence, and "Palestinian" did not become a common term until after 1977. This is a propaganda war in which our side refuses to engage. And we refuse to tell the truth when the other side lies. And you're not gonna win the long run if you're afraid to stand firm and stand for the truth. GOVERNOR MITT ROMNEY: 22:07:25:00 Of course you s-- of course you stand firm, and stand for the truth. But you don't speak for Israel. SPEAKER NEWT GINGRICH: 22:07:30:00 I didn't. GOVERNOR MITT ROMNEY: 22:07:30:00 If-- if-- if-- if Bibi Netanyahu wants to say what you said, let him say it. But our ally, b-- the-- the people of Israel, should be able to take their own positions and not have us negotiate for them. DIANE SAWYER: 22:07:41:00 I want to turn, if I can, to-- SPEAKER NEWT GINGRICH: 22:07:42:00 But can-- can I just say one last thing? Because I didn't speak for the people of Israel. I spoke as a historian who's looked at the world stage for a very long time. I've known Bibi since 1984. I feel quite confident an amazing number of Israelis found it nice to have an American tell the truth about the war they are in the middle of and the casualties they're taking and the people who surround them who say, "You do not have the right to exist, and we want to destroy you." GOVERNOR MITT ROMNEY: 22:08:04:00 I-- I've known-- I've-- (APPLAUSE) I've also known Bibi Netanyahu for a long time. We worked together at-- at Boston Consulting Group. And the last thing Bibi Netanyahu needs to have is not just a person who's an historian, but somebody who is also running for president of the United States, stand up and say things that create extraordinary tumult in-- in his neighborhood. DIANE SAWYER: 22:08:29:00 Congresswoman-- GOVERNOR MITT ROMNEY: 22:08:29:00 And I'm president of the United States, I will exercise sobriety, care, stability. And make sure that in a setting like this, anything I say that can affect a place with-- with rockets going in, with people dying, I don't do anything that would harm that-- that process. 22:08:47:00 And therefore, before I made a statement of that nature, I'd get on the phone to my friend Bibi Netanyahu and say, "Would it help if I said this? What would you like me to do? Let's work together, because we're partners." I'm not a bomb thrower, rhetorically or literally. DIANE SAWYER: 22:09:00:00 Under the rules, we need-- your response. (APPLAUSE) SPEAKER NEWT GINGRICH: 22:09:05:00 I think sometimes it is helpful to have a president of the United States with the courage to tell the truth, just as was Ronald Reagan who went around his entire national security apparatus to call the Soviet Union an evil empire and who overruled his entire State Department in order to say, "Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall." Reagan believed the power of truth restated the world and reframed the world. I am a Reaganite, I'm proud to be a Reaganite. I will tell the truth, even if it's at the risk of causing some confusion sometimes with the timid. GOVERNOR MITT ROMNEY: 22:09:32:00 I think it's important (APPLAUSE)-- GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS: 22:09:37:00 Who's got the better of this argument, Congresswoman Bachmann? Who's got the better of this argument? CONGRESSWOMAN MICHELE BACHMANN: 22:09:41:00 Who has the better of this argument? GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS: 22:09:42:00 Yeah. (LAUGHTER) CONGRESSWOMAN MICHELE BACHMANN: 22:09:46:00 In 1974, I went to Israel for the first time and I worked on a kibbutz for the summer. And I saw a brand new nation that had begun in 1948 and was making its way into the modernization that we know today. They're a first world nation. I was able to return as a member of Congress multiple times, and I also met with Fayad in Ramallah in the very room that Arafat used as his conference room. When I was in there, I-- I had asked Fayad about the issue that we were very concerned about, and that's how the Palestinians teach their children to hate the Jews and call them pigs and swine and descendants from Hades. GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS: 22:10:24:00 Okay, but do you think-- CONGRESSWOMAN MICHELE BACHMANN: 22:10:24:00 And I-- and let me finish-- 22:10:25:00 (OVERTALK) CONGRESSWOMAN MICHELE BACHMANN: 22:10:26:00 And I have asked him about this very important issues, because how do you find peace when you continue to teach your children hatred? And asked Fayad about this issue, and he said, "Oh, tha-- we don't do that anymore. Our textbooks aren't filled with that." 22:10:38:00 And I said, "Oh really?" I pulled out a manila envelope that I'd brought with me, and I pulled out the pages that I'd photocopied out of current books that were being used that clearly showed that. And he said, "Oh, but these are old textbooks." And he said-- I said, "Really? Well, then why don't you send me the new textbooks that no longer say that and compare them with the old?" And I checked my mailbox today; he still hasn't me those textbooks. That's what needs to change. DIANE SAWYER: 22:11:06:00 Senator Santorum, let me put to you George's question. Who's got the better of the argument? SENATOR RICK SANTORUM: 22:11:11:00 Well, I-- I think you have to speak the truth-- but you have to do so with prudence. I mean, it's-- it's a combination. Th-- and, you know, I-- I-- I sat there and I listened to both of 'em; I thought they both had-- made excellent points. 22:11:23:00 But we're in a real-life situation. This isn't an academic exercise. We've got-- we have a-- we have an ally, and the policy of this country should be to stand shoulder to shoulder with our ally. And-- we-- we didn't have an ally in the Soviet Union. The only allies we had were sitting in gulags, and they desperately needed to hear the truth. And Ronald Reagan provided that truth. GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS: 22:11:44:00 So-- so do we-- SENATOR RICK SANTORUM: 22:11:44:00 Here, we have-- 22:11:45:00 (OVERTALK) GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS: 22:11:45:00 --with prudence, would that be saying (NOISE) Palestinians are invented or not? SENATOR RICK SANTORUM: 22:11:50:00 If I can finish my s-- comment, I'll get to that, George. (LAUGHTER) That-- that we-- we have an ally here that we have to work closely with. And I think Mitt's point was-- was the correct one. We need to be working with the Israelis to find out, you know what? Is this a wise thing for us to do, to step forward and to engage this issue? Maybe it is. 22:12:10:00 My guess is, at this point in time, it's not. Not that we shouldn't tell the truth, but we should be talking to our allies. It's their fight. We are to be their ally, we're to be-- supporting them. And I'm-- I-- I've been out here very publicly-- that the Israelis have the right to determine what happens in their land. And all of Israel, including the quote-- you know, West Bank, is Israeli land. And we need to work with them as to the solution that works best for our ally. DIANE SAWYER: 22:12:36:00 Governor Perry, close this-- GOVERNOR RICK PERRY: 22:12:37:00 Let me-- DIANE SAWYER: 22:12:37:00 --please. GOVERNOR RICK PERRY: 22:12:38:00 --just say that I think this is a minor issue-- that the media is blowing-- way out of proportion. We have a president of the United States who has put the most muddled foreign policy in place that is causing the problems in the Middle East. Whether it goes back to two thousand and-- and-- nine when we had an opportunity to impact Iran, whether it has been the way that-- he stood back in Egypt and did not try to negotiate people who would come in that w-- could work with us, and now we have radical Islamists as the head of Egypt, whether it was leading from the rear, if you will, in-- in Libya. 22:13:18:00 The idea that this president now, with Iran getting one of our predator drones in their possession, and he had two opportunities-- well, he didn't have two opportunities, he had two choices-- actually, he had three. And he chose the worst. 22:13:33:00 And those two opportunities he had was to either retrieve that drone, or to destroy it, and he did the worst of the three and he did absolutely nothing. And the Russians and the Chinese will have our highly technical equipment now. This president is the problem, not something that Newt Gingrich said. (APPLAUSE) DIANE SAWYER: 22:14:06:00 We have to take a break right now, and I just want to say that we have a partner in all of this, which of course is Yahoo. I want to put up a question which we want to address when we come back about the struggles of the middle class in this country. And we have a question on Yahoo about the last time those of you had a personal financial strain that forced you to cut back on a necessity, as so many people in the middle class say they do. What were the consequences you fa-- you faced, and will you weigh in on that? And that's when we come back. 22:14:43:00 (COMMERCIAL BREAK) (MUSIC) 22:16:02:00 (REVIEW CLIPS NOT TRANSCRIBED) ANNOUNCER: 22:19:56:00 Live from Drake University in Des Moines, Iowa, once again, Diane Sawyer and George Stephanopoulos. DIANE SAWYER: 22:20:02:00 And we welcome all of you back and, again, we thank the Republican candidates for president of the United States for debating here tonight. I'm gonna return to the Yahoo question, which brings the struggles of the middle class down to something personal for everyone who is behind a podium up there. 22:20:18:00 And here's what it said: "Many of us are forced to make cuts to continue necessities such as mortgage payments, groceries, transportation to work, and health care." And then the question continues, they want to know, "When is the last time you had a personal financial strain that forced you, not only to give up a luxury, but also to cut back on necessity? And what were the consequences you faced?" This is from Andrew in Texas. And I'd like to start, Governor Perry, with you. GOVERNOR RICK PERRY: 22:20:46:00 Well, obviously-- growin' up where I grew up-- there were some people that probably said-- as a matter of fact, I was on-- radio station here, WHO-- yesterday and-- and talked about my upbringing. And-- growin' up in a house that didn't have-- running water until I was five or six years old and-- and my mother-- sewin' my own clothes for me till I went off to college. 22:21:12:00 And-- the idea that-- luxury really wasn't in my lexicon. But as I grew and as I-- went off and flew in the United States Air Force and I came back home, and as a 27-year-old boy-- well, I was a m-- grown man by then-- but I didn't have anything-- I-- my social security-- has a zero in 1978. So I'm sure I was givin' up some things that other people would consider to be luxuries. 22:21:44:00 But the fact is-- I've never had a time in my life when I felt like that I gave anything up that I didn't have everything I needed. And-- I know there are people that are-- that are suffering in America today, and that's the reason we need to get this country back working and having people so that they can have a job. And the policies that I've laid out, and the record that I've had in the State of Texas for the last decade, clearly gives that record to the people of this country. DIANE SAWYER: 22:22:14:00 Again, we just want to remind you that, when the red comes up, you-- the rules that were agreed on here. I'll do the two governors; Governor Romney grew up in very different circumstances. What about this question? GOVERNOR MITT ROMNEY: 22:22:24:00 I didn't grow up poor. And if somebody is looking for someone who's grown up with that background, I'm-- I'm not the person. But I-- but I grew up with a dad who'd been poor, and my dad wanted to make sure I understood the lessons of hard work. And my mom and dad wanted to make sure that I understood the principles that made America the greatest nation on earth. 22:22:43:00 And so they made sure we had jobs as we were growing up. They made sure we didn't spend money foolishly. And they made sure that I had-- a care and concern for other people. I was able to serve my church overseas, and to-- to meet people there that had very difficult circumstances in their life. I also spent time in this country, serving as a pastor in my-- in my church, and again, having the occasion to work with people that were really struggling. I saw marriages under great stress. 22:23:06:00 You see, when-- when people lose jobs, marriages get strained, people's health gets affected-- people become depressed. And-- and I'm in this race, not-- not because I grew up without means, but because I understand what it takes to get America working again. And I love this country enormously and understand the principles and understand the specifics that it takes to get America creating jobs again. That's why I'm in the race. DIANE SAWYER: 22:23:30:00 And Congressman Paul, what does this question evoke? How much does it matter to have personal experience? CONGRESSMAN RON PAUL: 22:23:38:00 Well-- I feel very fortunate because-- although I was raised in-- in a system that-- in a family that was rather poor, but we-- (LAUGH) I didn't even know it. You know, it was durin' the Depression and World War II, and we didn't have very much, and I worked my way through college, and that was a natural instinct because that's what you were supposed to do. But-- I-- I-- I finally-- did a little bit better in medical school because I had my wife work our way through cool-- (LAUGH) medical school. (LAUGHTER) So that worked out a little bit better. 22:24:06:00 But middle class is suffering, but not only because we bale out the rich and dump on the poor and they lose their jobs and they lose their houses, but there's a characteristic about monetary policy. When a country destroys its currency, it transfers wealth from the middle class to the wealthy, and this is what you're seeing today: the elimination of the middle class. And going to get a lot worse unless we address the subject overspending, over-borrowing, and printing too much money, and understanding the business cycle. DIANE SAWYER: 22:24:36:00 Senator Santorum. (APPLAUSE) SENATOR RICK SANTORUM: 22:24:40:00 I c-- I can say that I grew up in a very modest home and was very blessed to have-- all my basic needs met. And one of the most basic needs and the most important one that I've learned was that I was blessed to have a mother and a father. That was the most important gift that I was given, that I had two parents who were together, who loved me, who supported me and made me feel safe. And made the-- the-- the little things that no one would consider luxuries today feel like luxuries because I had that sense of security. 22:25:09:00 Unfortunately, America, we see the family continuing to break down. And with that, the economic status of those families. Single-parent households in America now have poverty levels approaching 40%. So-- you not only have the lack of security and stability in so many cases, because moms are doin' heroic work tryin' to hold things together, but it's hard. 22:25:31:00 And so what we can do as a federal government, we can do more importantly as the leader of this country, to try to promote this institution of marriage. Try to promote the family and try to nurture this environment that we have to-- to make sure that families are elevated and supported and fathers and mothers are there to take care of their families and-- and-- and-- and be there for their children. That's the most important luxury, is a mom and a dad. DIANE SAWYER: 22:25:54:00 And Congresswoman Bachmann, someone said recently that troubled banks got a bailout, troubled homeowners got evicted. Your response on this question and the struggle for the middle class. CONGRESSWOMAN MICHELE BACHMANN: 22:26:07:00 Well, I opposed the $700 bailout for Wall Street because Wall Street rolled the dice and they made some very foolish decisions. They were only too happy to pocket profits when times were good, but when times went south and things got sour then they decided to socialize their losses. And the-- American taxpayer was only too good to bail them out. 22:26:29:00 There's people on this stage that-- supported that bailout; I didn't. Behind closed doors, I took on the Treasury secretary, Hank Paulson; I took on my own president because I knew this was going to be a very bad deal. 22:26:42:00 You'd asked the question about luxuries and where we come from. I was born here in Iowa to a middle-class family, but my family went through a tragedy that millions of families go through: My folks got divorced. And when it happened, my mom found herself a single mom who'd been a full-time homemaker, she had four kids. We went to below poverty overnight. And when I was 13, I had to start getting a job to help out the family. 22:27:06:00 I know what the-- it's like for single moms to struggle. And throughout most of our marriage, we're still coupon clippers today. We still go to consignment stores today. We get what that feels like. And I think it's important for the next president of the United States to be in touch with what real people struggle with across the country, and I have. GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS: 22:27:26:00 Speaker Gingrich? (APPLAUSE) SPEAKER NEWT GINGRICH: 22:27:30:00 Well, let me say first of all, the-- that-- when I was young, we lived-- in an apartment above a gas station on the square in Holmestown (PH), Pennsylvania. I had relatives who were steel workers, others who were delivery men, some who worked in department stores. My dad was in the Army and we'd moved around, and he lived on the pay of a junior officer. By the time-- it was fairly frugal, but you-- you didn't feel desperate. 22:27:50:00 Today, I've had several relatives in the last three years who've been out of work, who've had to go through very difficult times. My wife Callista runs Gingrich Productions as a company. It's a very small company, does basically movies and books and things like that. We have to meet a payroll. We have to find markets. We have to find-- you know-- d-- well, do-- do everything that small businesses go through. And I know how difficult this economy is at a practical level if you're a small business. GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS: 22:28:16:00 I wanna stick with Yahoo because as you-- we said at the start, we're getting real-time feedback from our Yahoo audience. Over 12,000 people have already weighed in on Yahoo and ABCNews.com. An-- and this is directed at-- at Speaker Gingrich and-- and-- and Governor Romney, because more than 72% say right now they want to hear more from you about your past support for health care mandates. 22:28:37:00 That's something that they're still not fully satisfied with what they've heard-- (NOISE) from you. And-- and Speaker Gingrich-- I mean, Governor Romney, let me begin with you because-- you were clear. You've said you've always been against a federal mandate; you supported it in the State of Massachusetts. Where there has been some ambiguity, at least in the past, is whether you think that other states should try the mandate. Back in 2007, you said that you thought it would be good for most states to try it; now you say you wouldn't encourage other states to try. Can you explain that? GOVERNOR MITT ROMNEY: 22:29:06:00 States can do whatever the heck they want to do; that's the great thing about-- (APPLAUSE) about our system. I-- I think there's a good deal that we did that people can look at and find as a model, that could-- GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS: 22:29:17:00 The mandate? GOVERNOR MITT ROMNEY: 22:29:17:00 --help other state-- if some-- if they want to, sure. They could try what they think is best. I-- that's-- it's up to other states to try what works for them. Some will like that; some will think it's a terrible idea. We had this idea of exchanges where people could buy insurance-- from companies, private companies-- we have no government insurance, by the way, in our state. It's all-- other than the federal Medicare/Medic-- Medicaid programs. It's all private pay. So people can learn from one another. 22:29:40:00 But-- but my-- (LAUGH) my plan-- was designed for our state, and other states should have the right to create plans that work for them. And if they come up with something better than we did, then we can learn from them. But the idea of a federal government or a federal mandate, as you see with Obamacare, flies in the face of the Constitution, violates the tenth amendment. I think the Supreme Court will strike it down. If they don't, I will. GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS: 22:30:02:00 Speaker Gingrich-- Congresswoman Bachmann pointed out that as-- as late as May of this year, you supported some form of the mandate when everyone else had-- had come out against it. What finally tipped you over and convinced you that it was unconstitutional? SPEAKER NEWT GINGRICH: 22:30:17:00 Well, I think first of all for the federal government to do it is unconstitutional because it means the Congress-- the Congress, which could compel you to purchase this item, could compel you to purchase any item. And so the question of freedom would be d-- would be missed. And any (MIC NOISE) majority could then decide to make you do virtually anything. I think that's part of why you're seeing a dramatic shift back towards limiting the federal government and towards imposing the tenth amendment as a very serious barrier. 22:30:42:00 I-- I've been working on health issues since 1974. And I've been t-- and-- and I tried to find a way to break out of where we are, because the fact is the whole third-party payment model, whether public or private, has grown more and more expensive, more and more difficult to sustain. And helped found the Center for Health Transformation that-- for that reason, wrote a book called Saving Lives and Saving Money back in 2002. 22:31:04:00 We need to fundamentally rethink the entire health system to move back towards a doctor-patient relationship, and back toward something like what Rick Santorum talked about with health savings accounts where people are directly engaged in their own health and in taking care of themselves to a much greater degree than they are in the current insurance system. DIANE SAWYER: 22:31:22:00 If I can switch to this question, and-- and it is about health care, because a number of people-- in fact, I was just at a pharmacy here-- I-- have a cough. But I was (LAUGH) at the pharmacy here in Iowa, and the pharmacists were talking about a big-- driver of health care costs. And they specifically mentioned habits, unhealthy habits that we all need to learn to be better on at a young age. They talked about obesity, they talked about exercise. If I can ask you, Congressman Paul: Anything government should do on these fronts? CONGRESSMAN RON PAUL: 22:31:58:00 On-- on medical? Or? DIANE SAWYER: 22:31:59:00 On these fronts, specifically, of healthy behavior at very young-- ages for-- it's-- CONGRESSMAN RON PAUL: 22:32:05:00 No, essentially not, but they have to be-- a referee. If people are doing things that hurt other people, yes. But if you embark on instituting a society where government protects you from yourself, you're in big trouble, and that's what they're doing. (APPLAUSE) 22:32:27:00 I think-- I think what we've had here is a demonstration of-- why should we have a candidate that's gonna have to explain themselves? 70% of the people want further explanations on what your positions are. So I think that it is endless. But you talk about the-- the Obamacare using force, but that's all government is, is force. 22:32:48:00 I mean, do you have a choice about paying Medicare taxes? So there's not a whole of different-- you're forced to buy insurance. That's one step further. But you have to stop with force. Once government uses force to mold behavior or mold the economy, they've overstepped the bounds and they've violated the whole concept of our revolution and our Constitution. (APPLAUSE) GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS: 22:33:15:00 We-- we are running short on time. I just want to ask quickly, does anyone disagree with the first part of Congressman Paul's answer there, where he said the government really shouldn't be getting involved in these broader issues of behavior? GOVERNOR RICK PERRY: 22:33:25:00 Listen, I happen to think that the states-- that's their call, not the federal government. The states should be able to make decisions on whether they-- Terry, you probably have some programs here-- in Iowa to get-- 22:33:38:00 (MALE VOICE: UNINTEL) GOVERNOR RICK PERRY: 22:33:40:00 There you go. (LAUGHTER) (APPLAUSE) So-- it-- it-- it should be their call. But listen, this goes back, and-- and-- and Congressman Paul and I, you know, we disagree from time to time. But the real issues that we have in this country are that people are sick of Washington, D.C. They're sick of the money that they're seeing spent, they're sick of the fraud and the corruption that they're seeing. 22:34:02:00 They're sick of seeing their-- their kids' futures mortgaged because we've got a Washington, D.C., that is out of touch with the country. It's the reason, when I talk about my overhauling Washington plan, and I've gotten a pretty good response across the country when I talk about goin' to a part-time Congress. Cut their pay in half, let 'em spend half the time in Washington, D.C. Send 'em back home to have a regular job like the rest of the people in their districts, and work under the laws that they pass. That I will suggest to you, along with a balanced budget amendment to the United States Congress, will go a long way toward stoppin' a lot of the nonsense that we're seeing comin' out of Washington-- GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS: 22:34:41:00 Now, it was Governor-- GOVERNOR RICK PERRY: 22:34:41:00 --D.C. GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS: 22:34:41:00 --Branstad who said this is the-- healthiest-- CONGRESSWOMAN MICHELE BACHMANN: 22:34:44:00 Healthiest-- GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS: 22:34:44:00 --state in the nation, and we will return to the healthiest state in the nation in just a minute. ANNOUNCER: 22:34:48:00 (MUSIC) You're watching live ABC News coverage of the Iowa Republican Party debate. ANNOUNCER: 22:40:20:00 Live from Drake University in Des Moines, Iowa. Once again, Diane Sawyer and George Stephanopoulos. DIANE SAWYER: 22:40:27:00 And George and I were just talking about the fact, the question we get so often is, why can't people who disagree show respect for each other, and can we all work together, even people who disagree, to move the country forward? And so-- GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS: 22:40:40:00 So we're-- in form of closing, still we just want each of you, you're running against each other. But in these last few minutes, and just think of a minute where we will not run over to commercial, (LAUGH) tell us the one thing you've learned from someone else, one of your challengers, on stage. Senator Santorum? RICK SANTORUM: 22:40:56:00 Well, I'll-- I'll go back to-- you know, the comment I made earlier. I mean, I-- when I was first running for office-- you know, Newt Gingrich was the guy that-- who's-- who's tapes I've listened to as a young man-- and tryin' to-- at 30 years old, deciding to run for Congress. He laid out-- a vision for conservative governance that-- that I-- adopted and-- and ran with in a very, very tough Congressional district outside of suburban Pittsburgh, so tough that no one gave me a chance of winnin' it. 22:41:24:00 Fact, election night the Wall Street Journal called the Republican National Committee to find out the name of the guy that won. And they didn't even know my name at the RNC. (LAUGHTER) That's a true story. And-- and you don't get a lotta true stories. But that's a true story. And-- and so, you know-- I-- I came out of the blue as a conservative. 22:41:44:00 Think that's, again, the-- the thing that distinguishes me. I-- I've run as a conservative in a 60% Democratic district and won in a 70% Democratic district and won in the State of Pennsylvania with almost a million more Republicans than Democrats and won. I defeated an incumbent and-- and won again. And-- in a year that George Bush lost the election by five, I won by six. And-- and I stuck by the conservative principles that Newt outlined in the-- in the late '80s. And-- and it's always served me well. I've been a consistent conservative. GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS: 22:42:11:00 Governor Perry? RICK PERRY: 22:42:13:00 I'd say-- Congressman Paul got me really intrigued with the whole-- the federal reserve. And I've spent a substantial amount of time reading about and Currency Wars, the book by James Rickards that-- but Congressman Paul is-- is-- is the individual in the stage that got me most interested in-- in a subject that I found to be quite interesting and at the root of a lotta the problems that we have. And I thank you for that. But the one thing that I found-- outside of-- of these fine-- individuals on this stage is that the people of this country, the people of this country really want to get America back on track. 22:42:54:00 And Ri-- Congressman Keane, whether it's somebody like you and-- and your Idea Act that-- that we talked about the other day-- there are really good men and women in this country that wanna get this country back headed down a track. And they understand, Michele, just as you've said, that this election is about the future of this country. One of the most important elections, if not the most important election, and we gotta get it right. DIANE SAWYER: 22:43:20:00 Over to you, Governor Romney. (APPLAUSE) MITT ROMNEY: 22:43:25:00 I-- I always find-- the principle of leadership to be most interesting. And-- and as I look at the people on this stage, each exhibits different qualities of leadership. And they've each exercised leadership in different ways. Wha-- one of the about Ron Paul that always-- amazes me is when I come to a debate like this, the only signs I see are the Ron Paul people out there-- (LAUGHTER) in freezing. (APPLAUSE) 22:43:51:00 In freezing temperatures, they're always there. He ignites an enthusiasm with a number of people. That's very exciting to watch. In choosing a president, it-- it's the qualities of leadership that are gonna make the difference. Because our positions on issues are-- are-- are important, of course. 22:44:05:00 And I happen to think I've got the right positions on issues, of course. Or I wouldn't have 'em. But-- but fundamentally-- we know that down the road what's gonna de-- determine who is a great president or not is-- is their qualities of leadership in getting America back on track. And-- and-- and I believe-- right now-- and just as-- as Governor Perry just said, this is the time for real leadership because this country is going in a very dangerous direction. This is a time where America has got to return to principles that will keep us the hope of the earth and-- and the shining city on the hill. That light from that shining city has dimmed over the last three years. And I will help restore it. (APPLAUSE) GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS: 22:44:40:00 Mister speaker. NEWT GINGRICH: 22:44:45:00 Well, I-- I wanna say two people, one on the stage and one not. Governor Terry Branstad is my role model. Get outta politics for a while doin' something else, be involved in health care, (LAUGHTER) come back when you're clearly too old, too experienced, too tied to the past, win the governorship decisively, do a great job. (CHEERS) (APPLAUSE) 22:45:09:00 And the-- the other-- I just wanna say two other people very briefly. Rick Perry got me engaged about three years ago on this whole tenth amendment in a big, serious way. And I think that he is-- he h-- he has helped ignite a fire that is gonna change America. And Rick Santorum's consistency and courage on Iran has been a hallmark of why, if we do survive, it will be in part because of people like Rick who've had the courage to te-- tell the truth about the Iranians for a long time. (APPLAUSE) RON PAUL: 22:45:43:00 Well, I have learned that you should never give up on your opposition. Because if you're persistent, (LAUGH) and you present your case, they will come your way. So Rick, I appreciate it. (LAUGHTER) Rick, I appreciate it. (UNINTEL) appreciate it. You're open to the federal reserve. That's wonderful. But I-- I work from the assumption that freedom brings people together. 22:46:04:00 And if you understand freedom, it's based on tolerance and nonviolence. So if it's tolerance, it should be bringing all kinds of people together and that's following our Constitution. And we shouldn't be fighting among ourselves. Because we shouldn't be fighting in Washington if we all take the same oath of office. Where does the fight come from? Somebody is messin' up somewhere. (LAUGHTER) So-- so I say that with persistence, I think that we can all prevail and come up with the right answers. (APPLAUSE) 22:46:33:00 (OFF-MIC CONVERSATION) MICHELE BACHMANN: 22:46:36:00 Well, I would agree with everything that's been said here tonight. But I would also add again, someone that I mentioned a little bit earlier and that was Herman Cain. Herman Cain, I think when he brought up the 999 plan, and that you can't have a debate without saying "999" in the debate, I think one thing that he showed us is the power of being very plain spoken. 22:46:58:00 And also reducing something to a very simple level so people get it. And people were very excited about that plan. Because they could understand what that meant. And I think that's a challenge for every one of us; 'cause a lotta times, you can end up sounding and talking like a big bureaucrat in Washington. People don't want that. They don't want Washington. They want outside of Washington. And rightfully so. That's why I think in this race, I'm-- I'm the proven consistent conservative and I'm gonna go with win-win-win rather than 999. DIANE SAWYER: 22:47:32:00 Well again, we are at the end of the (APPLAUSE) time agreed upon by all of you, the candidates. And we thank you so much and we thank the people of Iowa, 24 days the voting begins. GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS: 22:47:42:00 That's the time for us. We're gonna be back with our political team for their independent analysis. We're hearing lots of opinions on Yahoo and Twitter and Facebook. We'll get to that in just a minute. (MUSIC) ANNOUNCER: 22:47:52:00 Much more to come as ABC's live coverage of the Iowa Republican Party Debate continues. (APPLAUSE) * * *END OF TRANSCRIPT* * *
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CAMPAIGN 2012 / ABC REPUBLICAN DEBATE PRIMARY SD ABC News IOWA REPUBLICAN DEBATE FINAL TRANSCRIPT Michele Bachmann, RICK SANTORUM, Mitt Romney, Rick Perry, Ron Paul, Newt Gingrich ANCHORED BY George Stephanopoulos and Diane Sawyer Media outlets who use this material must credit the ABC News/Yahoo News debate co-sponsored by WOI-TV, The Des Moines Register and Drake University. DIANE SAWYER: 21:01:31:00 And a good evening to all of you welcome to Iowa, welcome to Drake University as the presidential voting draws near, the time is coming. And the political team of ABC News has been out in force throughout this state. And we just wanna say to the people of Iowa, we are endlessly struck by how seriously you take your role as first in line for the vote. GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS: 21:01:52:00 Every four years first. DIANE SAWYER: 21:01:53:00 That is true. And it's 24 days now and counting until the voting begins in the caucuses. And-- and it's at the time for closing arguments, so let us introduce the presidential candidates from the Republican party for the United States of America here at the debate tonight. 21:02:13:00 Former Senator Rick Santorum of Pennsylvania, Governor Rick Perry of Texas, former Governor Mitt Romney of Massachusetts (AUDIENCE WHOOP), former Speaker of the House Newt Gingrich of Georgia (AUDIENCE WHOOP), Texas Congressman Ron Paul, (APPLAUSE) and Congresswoman from Minnesota, Michele Bachmann. (APPLAUSE) Thank you all. 21:02:45:00 Before we begin if we can just one note, because George and I have been talking and all of us have been talking to many of you about what it takes to run for the presidency in this country right now. And we are talking about the determination, the physical stamina, the road you travel, the miles you travel and the sacrifices your families make as you do it. So we thought maybe at the end of this year-- the-- the end of this road does approach, we could all just salute your commitment to the presidential race and to democracy in this country. We salute you. (APPLAUSE) GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS: 21:03:38:00 The rules of the debate are pretty straightforward, the candidates have negotiated them, agreed to them. They're gonna forgo opening statements and then they will give, they've agreed, one minute responses to questions from Diane and me, 30 seconds for rebuttal to those. And we wanna show everybody at home that the candidates can see as well, this clock right here. And we'll shift from green to yellow to red over the course of the allotted time. 21:04:01:00 The audience here at Drake was chosen by the Iowa Republican Party, and all of you at home can follow on ABCNews.com and Yahoo.com. You can even join the discussion by downloading Yahoo's Enter Now app on your iPhone, and with that you can actually pitch in with opinions during this debate. DIANE SAWYER: 21:04:17:00 So it is time to begin. And people are telling us that they do feel it's time to choose. And the number one issue on which they're going to choose, jobs in America. And we would like to hear from all of you in this opening round. And the question is this: what is your distinguishing idea, distinguishing, from all of the others on this stage, about how to create jobs in this create, how to bring jobs back from overseas. And if you will, how many jobs do you think you can create and how long will that take? And Speaker Gingrich, will you lead us off? NEWT GINGRICH: 21:04:53:00 Well, I think that there's a clear record, I worked with Ronald Reagan in the early '80s and his recovery program translated into today's population of about 25 million new jobs in a seven-year period. As Speaker of the House, I worked with-- President Clinton and he followed with a very similar plan. 21:05:08:00 And we ended up with about 11 million new jobs in a four-year period. Went down to 4.2% unemployment. Starts very simply, taxes, lower taxes, less regulation, an American energy plan, and actually be positive with our people to create jobs. The opposite of the Obama plan, which is higher taxes, more regulation, no American energy, and attack people who create jobs with class warfare. 21:05:30:00 So I think there are a number of steps you can take. I would start with zero capital gains, hundreds of billions of dollars would pour into the country, I'd go to 12.5% corporate tax rate, that would bring in at least $700 billion in repatriated money back from overseas. I would then go to 100% expensing for all new equipment-- abolish the (UNINTEL) news-- write it off in one year, and I'd abolish the death tax penalty. Those steps would begin to dramatically create jobs. DIANE SAWYER: 21:05:55:00 And I want to turn to Governor Romney, if I can. Because you've given a number and you've given a time frame, 11.5 million jobs in four years, aiming for six percent-- unemployment rate at the end of the first time. What is the distinguishing idea to do that? MITT ROMNEY: 21:06:12:00 Well, having spent my life in the private sector, I understand where jobs are created. They're not created in government, they're not created in Washington. They're created on Main Streets and streets all over America. And to help make America the most attractive place in the world for investment, for new enterprise, for entrepreneurs and for job growth, there's seven things you have to do. There's not just one, there's seven. 21:06:34:00 One, make sure that our employer tax rates are competitive with other nations. They're not now. We're the highest in the world. Number two, get regulators and regulations to recognize their job is not to burden the-- the private enterprise system, but to encourage it. Number three, to have trade policies that make sense for America, not just for the people with whom we trade. 21:06:55:00 This president has not done that. And China, that's been cheating, has to be cracked down on. Number four, we have to have energy policies that take advantage of our extraordinary energy resources. Number five, the rule of law, and the Boeing-- effort on the part of the N.L.R.B. violated that. Number six, grade institutions to create human capital, and number seven, finally a government that doesn't spend more money than it takes in. DIANE SAWYER: 21:07:17:00 And Congressman Paul, a number as a time frame and an idea. RON PAUL: 21:07:24:00 My-- approach is slightly different. Where I think all for less taxes and less regulations, we recognize this. But I emphasize the fact that you have to know why we have a recession, and why we have unemployment before you can solve the problem. And the re-- the financial bubbles are created by excessive credit and stimulation by the Federal Reserve. And then you have bubbles and you have to have a correction. 21:07:46:00 The-- this stimulus creates es-- excessive debt and malinvestment. As long as you don't correct that and you maintain the debt and the malinvestment, you can't get back to economic growth again. Unfortunately, so far what we have done, is we have not liquidated the debt, we have dumped the debt on the American people through TARP funding and-- and as well as the Federal Reserve. 21:08:08:00 So the debt is dumped on the people. And what did we do? We bailed out the people that were benefiting during the formation of the bubble. So as long as we do that, we're not gonna have economic growth. We-- you did the same thing in the Depression, the Japanese are doing it right now, so it's time we liquidate the debt and look at monetary policy. And then, of course, lower taxes. And I would like to-- do in the first year, cut $1 trillion, 'cause that is the culprit, big spending and big government. DIANE SAWYER: 21:08:35:00 I wanna come back to those of you with another direct question of whether there is a number of jobs that can be created and a time frame you can tell the American people you can do it in. But I want to turn to Governor Perry for your distinguishing idea. RICK PERRY: 21:08:49:00 Yeah, the distinguishing mark is-- a tax policy that puts a flat tax in place of-- 20%. And you-- as they've said, you get rid of the regulatory burden that's killing people. And I have a record of doing that as the governor of the state of Texas over the last 11 years. We created over a million jobs in that state while America lost over two million jobs. 21:09:10:00 So there's a very clear blueprint of how to make this work. But I wanna talk about one other issue, and-- and Congressman Paul touched on it. And it's this idea, I can-- I can on a map diagram the problem that we've got in America today. And it d-- it's this direct line between Washington D.C. and Wall Street. And it's the corruption that's gone on. It's the idea of TARP. It's the idea of $7.7 trillion that we didn't even know was being put into these peoples and these banks. 21:09:39:00 That's what Americans are really upset with. And it's gonna take an outsider who can come in to put in the model of taxes and regulation. And-- and be able to balance that budget by the year 2020 with 18% of G.D.P. That's what the American people want, and an outsider like Rick Perry is gonna do that. DIANE SAWYER: 21:09:59:00 All right, Congresswoman Bachmann? MICHELE BACHMANN: 21:10:01:00 Well-- one of our former competitors was Herman Cain and he always reminded us of the 9-9-9 plan. And what I would like to do is have the Win-Win-Win plan. And the way that we can do that is first addressing the tax code. I'm a former federal tax lawyer. And that literally, we will create millions of dollars if we abolish the tax code and embrace a pro-growth policy not only by lowering the rates for businesses, but by individuals as well. 21:10:28:00 And making it a tax code that applies fairly and the same to all Americans. That's very important. And something else I wanna do with my tax code policy is make sure that everyone pays something. Because today, 47% of the American people pay nothing in federal income tax. Everyone benefits by the country, they need to pay. But also, one of my "Win" points is with American energy production. 21:10:50:00 If we legalize American energy, we'll create 1.4 million jobs in just a few years' time. And here's something we-- else that we can do under the "Win" plan. We can cut government bureaucracy, which is ObamaCare. N.F.I.B. tells us, that's the small business agency, that we will lose 1.6 million jobs over five years if we keep ObamaCare. I wanna-- I am committed to repealing ObamaCare, Dodd-Frank, cutting out the E.P.A., and we'll save millions of jobs if we do that. DIANE SAWYER: 21:11:23:00 Senator Santorum? RICK SANTORUM: 21:11:24:00 Well, I was just down in Fremont County, which is down in the far southwest corner of the state, and they just lost about, a couple hundred jobs at a ConAgra plant down there. And Governor Branstad and Lieutenant Governor Reynolds understand, that's why they asked us to have a forum here in Pella a few weeks ago on manufacturing. 21:11:40:00 They understand that the heartland of America is suffering because the manufacturing economy of this country continues to go down. We used to have 21% of people employed in this country in manufacturing, it's now nine. And it hurts disproportionately small town and rural America. So what I learned from traveling around Iowa is we had to get a plan together that'll revitalized manufacturing. 21:11:58:00 So I took the corporate tax, not the 12%. I zeroed it out for all manufacturers. We want manufacture, we want "Made in the U.S.A." to be the moniker under my administration. We want an administra-- we want-- to put a platform together that's gonna repeal regulations that are crushing our-- our b-- manufacturers and businesses. I'll repeal, one thing a president can do, he can't pass a law, but he can repeal regulations. 21:12:18:00 And Barack Obama has given us-- a bevy of regulations that need to be repealed, starting with a lot of our energy regulations that driving up our energy costs. That's another part of d-- of the plan, is to-- to make sure we have lower electricity rates, that we have oil and gas drilling going on here, so manufacturing can afford to be here. You put together that plan, we will get-- not only revitalize the economy, we'll-- we'll take care of an area of the ec-- of this country that has suffered in-- in recent times. And that's rural and small-town America. DIANE SAWYER: 21:12:47:00 I just wanna point out, I think that Governor Romney is the only one who actually gave a four-year, first-term number, which was again, 11.5 million jobs. Wondered if anyone else wanted to come in with a four-year, first-term promise for the American people. RICK SANTORUM: 21:13:04:00 I'm not-- MALE VOICE #2: 21:13:05:00 Well-- RICK SANTORUM: 21:13:05:00 --I-- I-- I-- I'm not gonna make a promise, because I don't believe you s-- I don't believe that government can sit there and-- and-- and from the top down dictate how many jobs are here. What we can do is we can create an atmosphere for businesses to thrive. And we know what that means. Less regulation, where-- a regulation that works for-- for-- for businesses, taxation that makes us competitive, a litigation environment that makes us competitive. 21:13:26:00 You create the platform. You create the-- you create that petri dish, you'll get lots of things growing there. And I don't need-- some government bean counter to tell us we've got a right-- right program to be able to c-- create jobs in this country. DIANE SAWYER: 21:13:38:00 I wanna move on if I can, to another question which represents some of the urgent and tough choices presidents have to make, because this one is coming up soon, December 31st. And it is the payroll tax cut. And as we know, the payroll tax cut, which funds the Social Security-- fund in this country is part of the argument, part of the debate, part of the consideration about the economy in this country right now. 21:14:07:00 And-- by some estimates, if this tax cut expires on December 31st, it could add as much as $1,000 to the tax burden of American working families. And I know you are divided down the middle, if I can turn to you, Congresswoman Bachmann, and we know that you are a tax attorney, and-- you're familiar with these issues. Should this tax cut go? MICHELE BACHMANN: 21:14:32:00 Well, I-- this tax shouldn't-- cut shouldn't have been put in the first place, the payroll tax extension, because last December, I fought against this. And I encouraged my colleagues not to go down this road. This is President Obama's plan, a temporary gimmick, not permanent solution. That's what the business community is looking for. 21:14:52:00 That's where real jobs will be created. The reason why this is so detrimental to the economy as well is that this blew a hole, in other words, it took away $111 billion away from the Social Security Trust Fund. This is a very real issue for senior citizens, because we have to pay the Social Security checks that are going out. 21:15:13:00 I'm completely different from b-- Barack Obama on this issue. I don't agree with Barack Obama. We have candidates on this stage that are standing with Barack Obama on this issue. But this year alone, it-- this will also cost the Social Security Trust Fund another $112 billion. And we don't have enough money this year in the Social Security Trust Fund to put out those checks. 21:15:37:00 Which means, we have to go to the General Treasury to get the money. And trust me, when you open the door to the General Treasury, the only thing that comes out are moths and feathers. There's nothing in there. So we have to recognize, we can't spend money that we don't have. And that's what Barack Obama's trying to do. Temporary gimmicks, not permanent solutions-- DIANE SAWYER: 21:15:56:00 But (UNINTEL) is a decision that does have to be made in three weeks. And Governor Romney, you have said it's a "temporary Band-Aid," but you have indicated that you are in favor of keeping it. So how do you differ from Congresswoman Bachmann? Is it worth it? MITT ROMNEY: 21:16:12:00 Well, I don't wanna raise taxes on people-- particularly people in the middle class that are suffering right now under the Obama economy. It's a temporary tax-- cut, and it'll help people in a d-- very difficult time. But-- but let's-- let's recognize, this is just a Band-Aid. 21:16:26:00 The extraordinary thing is, we have a president who's been in office three years with a fiscal crisis and a jobs crisis. The-- these unemployment numbers we're seeing, they're not just statistics, they're real people. They're young people that can't start their lives, can't go to college, they're people in their 50s that ex-- expected to be in their big earning years, and they're not gonna be able to-- to have the-- the kind of future they hope for. 21:16:47:00 And-- and this is a president who has not, at this stage, put forward a plan to get this economy going again. All he does is talk about little Band-Aids here and there throwing gasoline on a fire, on a few embers. The right thing to do is to talk about how he's gonna make America competitive again. I spoke with businesspeople all over the country and have been one myself for 25 years. 21:17:07:00 People aren't investing in America because this president has made America a less attractive place for investing and hiring than other places in the world. That's got to change. And it's a shame that we've got a president who thinks that being hands-on in the economy means working on his golf cred. You know, the-- the-- the right course for America is to have a president who understands the economy and will make that his-- his focus and put in place a plan to get this economy going. GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS: 21:17:31:00 I wanna grab that-- this conversation, but-- but very quickly, I believe Speaker Gingrich is also for extending the payroll taxes and so is Congressman Paul, Governor Perry, I believe you're against it-- some are so tur-- RICK PERRY: 21:17:40:00 Very much so. GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS: 21:17:41:00 Yeah, you're the only one I-- what is your position on it? RICK PERRY: 21:17:44:00 Is there a Social Security Trust Fund and-- or not? And is the Social Security system gonna be funded by payroll taxes or not? And the President of the United States runs around and talks about how Republicans don't care about Social Security and how they're gonna-- they're gonna rip apart the Social Security system, and he's the one defunding the Social Security system. 21:18:00:00 We're either gonna have a serious debate on how to fix Social Security, and we're not gonna do it by taking resources away from Social Security to pay benefits. So I'm-- I'm all for tax cuts, I-- I mean, I'll welcome the president to sit down with-- Republicans in Congress to work on a tax cut that's gonna create growth in the economy. But to-- to take the Social Security Trust Fund that is-- that is so sacrosanct to the Democrats when it comes for election time. 21:18:23:00 And then to use that as a tax and then try to beat up Republicans for-- for not supporting the tax cut is-- is absurd. You either care about Social Security and you wanna fund it, or you don't. GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS: 21:18:34:00 So it's very divided. Three and three, Congressman Paul, 30 seconds rebuttal, Senate-- 21:18:37:00 (OVERTALK) RON PAUL: 21:18:38:00 Well-- well I want to-- extend the tax cut, because if you don't, you raise the taxes. But I wanna pay for it. And it's not that difficult. In my proposal, in my budget, I wanna cut hundreds of billions of dollars from overseas. The trust fund is gone. But how are we gonna restore it? We have to quit the spending. We have to quit this being the policemen of the world. 21:18:55:00 We don't need another war in Syria and another war in Iran. Just get rid of the embassy in Baghdad. We're pretending we're comin' home from Baghdad. We built an embassy there that cost a billion dollars and we're putting 17,000 contractors in there, pretending our troops are coming home. I could save-- 21:19:10:00 (GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS: UNINTEL) RON PAUL: 21:19:11:00 --and we don't have to raise taxes on Social Security-- on the-- on the-- on the-- on the tax-- 21:19:17:00 (OVERTALK) GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS: 21:19:17:00 As I said, I do wanna broaden this out, and all of you have been debating for the past several months-- two big questions for this nomination fight. Who has the most consistent conservative candidate among you, and which of you is best able to defeat President Obama? And Governor Romney, Speaker Gingrich crystallized his argument a couple of weeks ago. He said, and I quote, "I'm a lot more conservative than Mitt Romney, and a lot more electable than anyone else." (LAUGH) I know you don't agree with that thought. (LAUGH) MITT ROMNEY: 21:19:44:00 Well, of course I don't agree with that. (LAUGHTER) I don't think most people agree with that. Speaker Gingrich has been in government for a long time and we can look at his record, we can look at my record. But really, this is more about-- about us talking about what we believe. And w-- and whether we can lead the country at a time when-- when we need to restore the kind of values that make America the greatest nation on Earth. 21:20:05:00 We have in Washington a president who believes in a fundamental transformation of America into an entitlement society. Where the government takes for some from some and gives to everybody else. And the only people that do real well in that setting are the people in the government. This nation was founded on the principle of being a merit society, where education, hard work, risk taking, have lifted certain individual, and they have helped lift-- lift the entire nation. 21:20:28:00 That's what's going on today. And the reason I oughta be the nominee of our party is I believe I can take that message to our president and to the American people. And they'll say, "Mitt Romney understands the economy 'cause he's lived in it." I understand a merit-based society, I believe in the principles that made America the greatest nation on Earth. And Speaker Gingrich and I have a lot of places where we disagree, we'll talk about those-- GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS: 21:20:49:00 Why don't you name them? MITT ROMNEY: 21:20:49:00 What, places where we disagree? Let's see-- we can start with-- with his idea to-- to have-- a lunar colony that would mine-- minerals from the-- from the moon, I'm not in favor of spendin' that kinda money-- to do that. (LAUGHTER) He said that he would-- he would like to-- eliminate in some cases the child labor laws so that kids could clean schools. I don't agree with that-- that idea. 21:21:12:00 His plan in capital gains, to remove capital gains for people-- at the very highest level of income is different than mine. I'd-- I'd-- eliminate capital gains, interest, and dividends for people in middle income. So-- we have differences of viewpoint on-- on some issues. But-- but the real difference, I believe, is our backgrounds. I spent my life in the private sector. 21:21:31:00 I-- I understand how the economy works. And I believe that for Americans to-- to say goodbye to President Obama and elect a Republican, they need to have confidence that the person they're electing knows how to make this economy work again and create jobs for the American middle class. GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS: 21:21:47:00 Your response? NEWT GINGRICH: 21:21:49:00 (THROAT CLEAR) Just a second. You had four allegations, do I get four responses? GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS: 21:21:53:00 Take your time. (LAUGHTER) NEWT GINGRICH: 21:21:55:00 Okay. Let's start with the last one, let-- let's be candid. The only reason you didn't become a career politician is you lost to Teddy Kennedy in 1994. (LAUGHTER) MITT ROMNEY: 21:22:03:00 Now-- now wait a second, that-- (AUDIENCE BOOING) I mean you'll-- Okay, go ahead. GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS: 21:22:11:00 --you'll get another response, go ahead. MITT ROMNEY: 21:22:12:00 Okay. (LAUGH) NEWT GINGRICH: 21:22:14:00 Do I-- do I get to-- continue-- MITT ROMNEY: 21:22:15:00 Please, please. NEWT GINGRICH: 21:22:16:00 No, and I'm just saying, I've-- I looked at it, I thought, you know, I'm a citizen, I've served the country in many ways, you're a citizen, you served the country in many ways. But it's a bit much, you'da been a 17-year career politician by now, if you'd won. That's-- that's all I'm saying on that one. 21:22:29:00 Now number two, I'm proud of trying to find things that give young people a reason to study science and math and technology and telling them that some day in their lifetime, they could dream of going to the moon, they could dream of going to Mars. I grew up in a generation where the space program was real, where it was important, and where frankly it is tragic that NASA has been so bureaucratized, aims at you-- Iowa-- Iowa State's a perfect example. 21:22:53:00 Iowa State's doing brilliant things, attracting brilliant students. I wanna give them places to go and things to do. And I'm happy to defend the idea that America should be in space and should be there in an aggressive, entrepreneurial way. Third, as to schools, I think virtually every person up here worked at a young age. What I suggested was, kids oughta be allowed to work part-time in school, particularly in the poorest neighborhoods, both because they could use the money. 21:23:16:00 If you take one-half of the New York janitors who are unionized and paid more than the teachers, an entry-level janitor gets paid twice as much as an entry-level teacher. You take half of those janitors, you could give virtually-- you could give lots of poor kids a work experience in the cafeteria and the school library and-- and front office, and a lot of different things. 21:23:35:00 I'll stand by the idea, young people oughta learn how to work. Middle class kids do it routinely. We should give poor kids the same chance to pursue happiness. Finally (APPLAUSE) on-- finally on capital gains taxes I asked you about this at Dartmouth (?). I'm astonished, you're a businessman. You wanna create jobs. A $200,000 cap on or capital gains tax cut is lower than Obama. 21:23:59:00 Now you know if you really wanna create jobs, you wanna-- you wanna encourage the people who make more than $200,000 who actually have capital to invest the capital in the U.S. I'll stick with zero capital gains will create vastly more jobs than your proposal-- 21:24:13:00 (OVERTALK) GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS: 21:24:13:00 Governor Romney, your response, then I wanna bring in the others. MITT ROMNEY: 21:24:14:00 Yeah, yeah. My proposal actually does create 11.5 million jobs, and it does so by a higher-- a G.D.P. growth rate than we've seen over these last Obama years. And-- and in my view, the place that we could spend our precious tax dollars for a tax cut is on the middle class, that's been most hurt by the Obama economy. That's where I wanna eliminate taxes on interest dividends and capital gains. 21:24:35:00 And with regards to the idea that if I'da beaten Ted Kennedy I coulda been a career politician, that's probably true. If I would've been able to get in the NFL liked I hope when I was a kid, why, I woulda been a football star all my life too, (LAUGHTER) but-- but I-- but I-- (APPLAUSE) I spent-- I spent my life in the private sector. Losing to pl-- Teddy Kennedy was probably the best thing I coulda done for-- for preparing me for the job I'm seeking, because it-- it put me back in the private sector. I worked in the private sector, I learned lessons that are desperately needed in Washington. GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS: 21:25:07:00 I wanna bring-- MITT ROMNEY: 21:25:07:00 We don't need-- we don't need folks who are lifetime-- lifetime Washington people to-- to-- to get this country out of the mess it's in. We need people from outside Washington, outside K Street. And by the way, one more thing, to have kids work in the-- in the library and to-- and to help out in school and to clean the blackboards does not require changing our-- our-- our child labor laws in this country. We of course should encourage more kids to-- 21:25:29:00 (OVERTALK) GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS: 21:25:28:00 We will-- we will come back to that, I wanna bring Congressman Paul in on this, because-- Congressman, you've been running ads that are quite tough-- RON PAUL: 21:25:36:00 Quite what? GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS: 21:25:36:00 Quite tough on Speaker Gingrich here in Iowa this week, accusing him of quote, and this is a quote from your ad, "serial hypocrisy." Why do you think Speaker Gingrich is a hypocrite? RON PAUL: 21:25:48:00 Well, he's been on different positions, you know, on so many issues. You know, single payer-- he's taken some positions that are not conservative. He-- he supported the TARP funds. And-- the other-- really annoy-- should've (LAUGH) annoyed a lot of people, he received a lot of money from Freddie Mac. Now, Freddie Mac is essentially a government organization. 21:26:09:00 While he was earning a lot of money from Freddie Mac, I was fighting over a decade to try to explain to people where the housing bubble was coming from. So Freddie Mac is bailed out by the tax payers. So in a way, Newt, I think you probably (LAUGH) got some of our tax payer's money. They g-- they got taxed, and they got money on, and they're still getting bailed out. 21:26:28:00 But-- you're a spokesman for 'em and you received money for 'em, so I think-- I think this is-- something that-- the people oughta know about. But there's been many positions, and you have admitted many of the positions where you have changed positions. But-- you know, if you were lookin' for a consistent position, you know, I-- I think there's gonna be a little bit of trouble anybody competing with me on consistency. (LAUGHTER) (APPLAUSE) 21:26:52:00 (OFF-MIC CONVERSATION) NEWT GINGRICH: 21:26:56:00 Well, first of all, as you say in your own, normally in your own speeches, the housing bubble came from the Federal Reserve inflating the money supply. Now, that's the core of the housing bubble and I happen to be with you on auditing the Fed and on fund-- and frankly on firing Bernanke. Second, I was never a spokesman for any agency, I never did any lobbying for any agency. I offered strategic advice. I was in the private sector. And I was doing things (LAUGHTER) in the private sector. RON PAUL: 21:27:21:00 Oh come-- okay, okay. (LAUGHTER) (APPLAUSE) 21:27:24:00 (OVERTALK) RON PAUL: 21:27:25:00 --private sector. (LAUGH) NEWT GINGRICH: 21:27:25:00 And-- and when you're in the private sector, and you have a company and you offer advice like McKinsey does, like a bunch of other companies do, you're allowed to charge money for it. GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS: 21:27:35:00 All right-- NEWT GINGRICH: 21:27:35:00 Ca-- ca-- it's called free enterprise. RON PAUL: 21:27:37:00 It's the tax payer's money though, we had to bail these people out-- NEWT GINGRICH: 21:27:39:00 Well I was-- I'm not for bailing them out, in fact, I'm for breaking them up. GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS: 21:27:42:00 Let me bring Congresswoman Bachmann in on this, because you make similar accusations against Speaker Gingrich. You called him a "poster boy of crony capitalism." Did he answer your concerns? MICHELE BACHMANN: 21:27:51:00 Well, when you're talking about taking over $100 million, and when your office is on the Rodeo Drive of Washington D.C., which is K Street, and you're taking money to influence the outcome of legislation in Washington, that's the epitome of the establishment, that's the epitome of a consummate insider. But your question was, who's the proven con-- constitutional conservative in this race, and that would be me. 21:28:16:00 I'm 55 years old, I've spent 50 years in the real world as a private business woman living real life and-- and building a real business. But you have to take a look at the candidates that-- that are on the stage. You started out with Mitt Romney with Newt Gan-- Gingrich, asking them about whether or not they're the conservative in this race. 21:28:33:00 But you have to take a look. You-- when you look at Newt Gingrich, for 20 years, he's been advocating for the individual mandate in healthcare. That's-- that's longer than Barack Obama. Or if you look at Mitt Romney as the governor of Massachusetts, he's the only governor that put into place socialized medicine. No other governor did. Our nominee has to stand on a stage and debate Barack Obama and be completely different. 21:28:59:00 I led 40,000 Americans to Washington D.C., to the Capitol, to fight ObamaCare. I didn't advocate for it. If you look at-- at-- at Newt/Romney, they were for ObamaCare principles. If you look at Newt/Romney, they were for cap and trade. If you look at Newt/Romney, they were for the illegal immigration problem. And if you look at (LAUGH) Newt/Romney, they were for the $700 billion bailout. And you just heard Newt/Romney is also with Obama on the issue of the payroll extension. GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS: 21:29:31:00 Okay. MICHELE BACHMANN: 21:29:32:00 So if you want a difference, Michele Bachmann is the proven conservative. It's not Newt/Romney. GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS: 21:29:37:00 You threw-- you threw a lot out there. (APPLAUSE) So let's get both-- both of them a chance to respond, Speaker Gingrich, you go first, because you were in there twice-- also on r-- on-- Romney, and then-- NEWT GINGRICH: 21:29:46:00 Okay-- those four points-- GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS: 21:29:47:00 --Senator Romney, right go ahead. NEWT GINGRICH: 21:29:48:00 Well, Michele, you know, a lot of what you say just isn't true, period. I have never-- I have-- I oppose cap and trade, I testified against it, the same day that Al Gore testified for it. I helped defeat it in the Senate through American solutions. It is simply untrue. I fought against ObamaCare at every step of the way. I did it with-- the Center for Health Transformation was actively opposed, we actively campaigned against it. 21:30:12:00 You know, I think it's important for you, and the-- this is a fair game, and everybody gets to-- to-- to pick fights. It's important that you be accurate when you say these things. Those are not true. And most of the money I made, frankly, I made in ways that are totally-- had nothing to do with anything you've described. I did no lobbying, no representation. And frankly, my-- my speech-- my-- my speech money and other things I did, they had nothing to do with that. 21:30:36:00 It was a lot larger source of income. So, you know, I've had 24 books and I've had 13 New York Times best-sellers. Now-- that was not people who wanted influence running around buying my books. I know that doesn't fit your model, it happens to be true. MICHELE BACHMANN: 21:30:48:00 Can I respond? (APPLAUSE) GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS: 21:30:49:00 Thirty seconds, then Governor Romney. MICHELE BACHMANN: 21:30:51:00 Well you'd have to go back to 1993 when Newt first advocated for the individual mandate in healthcare, and as recently as May of this year, he was still advocating for the individual mandate in healthcare. And Governor Romney sent his team to the White House to meet with President Obama to teach them how to spread the RomneyCare model across the nation. That's why I say, Newt/Romney, you've got to have our nominee as someone who is a stark, distinct difference with President Obama. 21:31:22:00 Who can go toe to toe and hold him accountable. President Obama knows me in Washington D.C. I've taken him on on issue after issue. Our nominee has to be willing to not agree with Barack Obama the-- on these issues, but stand 180° opposite of all the candidates on this stage I've been fighting President Obama for every year that I've been there, and I've taken him on. And I will take him on in the debate and defeat him. GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS: 21:31:48:00 Governor Romney. (APPLAUSE) MITT ROMNEY: 21:31:51:00 I know Newt Gingrich. And Newt Gingrich is a friend of mine. But, he and I are not clones, I promise. (LAUGH) That-- that is not the case. So this Newt Gingrich thing, we gotta get that out of our mind altogether-- Newt and Romney thing, sorry. Let-- let me say this about-- about health care. One, I didn't send a team of anybody to meet with Barack Obama. I wish he'd have given me a call. I wish when he was putting together his health care plan, he'd have had the courtesy and-- and perhaps the judgment to say, "Let me-- let me talk to a governor. Let's talk to somebody who's dealt with a real problem that-- that understands this topic," and get on the phone. 21:32:23:00 I'd have said (BACKGROUND VOICE), "Mr. President, you're going down a very, very bad path. Do not continue going down that path because what you're gonna do is you're gonna raise taxes on the American people. You're gonna cut Medicare. Let's not forget, only one president has ever cut Medicare for seniors in this country, and it's Barack Obama. We're gonna remind him of that time and time again. 21:32:41:00 And finally, the plan we put in place in Massachusetts, it deals with the 8% of our people who didn't have insurance. The 92% of people who did have insurance, nothing changes for them. If I'm President of the United States, we're gonna get rid of ObamaCare and return, under our constitution, the 10th Amendment, the responsibility and care of health care to the people in the states. GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS: 21:33:01:00 I wanna bring Governor Perry-- (APPLAUSE) you've heard this argument, I wonder which side you come down on. RICK PERRY: 21:33:08:00 Yeah, well, I-- I'm-- I'm stunned, 'cause-- the fact of the matter is, you know, Michele kinda hit the nail on the head when we talked about the individual mandate. Both of these gentlemen have been for the-- individual mandate. And I'm even more stunned, Mitt, that you said you wished you could've talked to Obama and said-- "You're goin' down the wrong path," because that is exactly the path that you've taken Massachusetts. The Beacon Hill study itself said that there's been 18,000 jobs lost because of that individual mandate. 21:33:38:00 The study continued to say that there've been over $8 billion of additional cost. I wish you coulda had the conversation with the people of Massachusetts a long time before that phone call would've been with-- the-- President Obama, 'cause the fact of the matter is, you're for individual mandate. And you can get up and stand-- up and talk about, you know, "I'm against it now. And I'm gonna-- rescind ObamaCare. I'm gonna repeal ObamaCare." But the record is very clear. You and Newt were for individual mandates. And that is the problem. And the question is then, "Who can stand on the stage, look Obama in the eye, and say, 'ObamaCare is an abomination for this country,'?" And I'm gonna do that. And I can take that fight to him and win that fight. DIANE SAWYER: 21:34:23:00 Governor Romney, (INAUDIBLE). (APPLAUSE) MITT ROMNEY: 21:34:27:00 A good deal of what you said was right. Some was wrong. Speaker Gingrich said that he was for a federal individual mandate. That's something I've always opposed. What we did in our state was designed by the people in our state for the needs of our state. You believe in the 10th Amendment. I believe in the 10th Amendment. The people of Massachusetts favor our plan three to one. They don't like it, they can get rid of it. (COUGH) That's the great thing about (COUGH) a democracy, where individuals under the 10th Amendment have the power to craft their own solutions. 21:34:52:00 By the way, the-- the problem with President Obama's plan is it does three things we didn't in my opinion, among others. I understand we disagree on this. But among others, one, it raises taxes by $500 billion. We (NOISE) didn't raise taxes. Two, it cuts Medicare by $500 billion. We didn't do that, either. And three, it doesn't just deal with the people that don't have insurance. It's a 2,000-page bill that takes over health care for all the American people. It is wrong for health care. It's wrong for the American people. It's unconstitutional. And I'm absolutely adamantly opposed to ObamaCare. 21:35:25:00 And if I'm the President of the United States, I will return to the people and the states the power they have under the constitution and they can craft the solutions they think are best for them. And my view-- you had a mandate in your state. You mandate that girls at 12 years old had to get a vaccination for-- for a sexually-transmitted disease. So it's not like we have this big difference on mandates. We had different things we mandated over. I-- I wanted to give people health insurance. You want to get young girls-- a vaccine. There are differences. DIANE SAWYER: 21:35:51:00 Governor, if we could ask Speaker Gingrich to respond. NEWT GINGRICH: 21:35:54:00 Yeah, I-- I just wanna make one point that's historical. (CLEARS THROAT) In 1993, in fighting HillaryCare, virtually every conservative saw the mandate as a less-dangerous future than what Hillary was trying to do. The Heritage Foundation was a major advocate of it. After HillaryCare disappeared it became more and more obvious that mandates have all sorts of problems built into them. People gradually tried to find other techniques. I frankly was floundering, trying to find a way to make sure that people who could afford it were paying their hospital bills while still leaving an out so libertarians to not buy insurance. And that's what we're wrestling with. It's now clear that the mandate, I think, is clearly unconstitutional. But, it started as a conservative effort to stop HillaryCare in the 1990s. GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS: 21:36:38:00 Governor Perry. RICK PERRY: 21:36:38:00 I'm-- I'm-- (THROAT CLEARING) I'm listenin' to you, Mitt, and I'm hearin' you say all the right things. But I read your first book and it said in there that your mandate in Massachusetts which should be the model for the country. And I know it came out of-- of the-- the reprint of the book. But, you know, I'm just sayin', you were for individual mandates, my friend. MITT ROMNEY: 21:37:00:00 You know what? You've raised that before, Rick. And-- you're simply wrong. RICK PERRY: 21:37:02:00 It-- it-- it was true then. (CHUCKLE) It's true now. MITT ROMNEY: 21:37:04:00 That-- now, this-- Rick, I'll-- I'll tell you what. (CHUCKLE) 10,000 bucks-- (APPLAUSE) $10,000 bet? RICK PERRY: 21:37:12:00 I'm not in the bettin' business, but, okay. MITT ROMNEY: 21:37:14:00 Oh, I-- I'll-- RICK PERRY: 21:37:15:00 I'll show you the-- I'll-- I'll-- I'll show you the book. MITT ROMNEY: 21:37:16:00 I wrote-- I've got the book. And-- RICK PERRY: 21:37:18:00 And we'll show-- (LAUGH) MITT ROMNEY: 21:37:20:00 And I-- and I-- and I wrote the book. And I haven't-- and chapter seven is a section called The Massachusetts Model. And I say as close as I can quote, I say, "In my view, each state should be able to-- to fashion their own program for the specific needs of their distinct citizens." And then I go on to talk about the states being the laboratories of democracy. And we could learn from one another. I have not said, in that book, first edition or the latest edition, anything about our plan being a national mo-- model imposed on the nation. 21:37:49:00 The right course for America, and I said this durin' the debates the last time around, I'll say it now and time again, is to let individual states-- this is a remarkable nation. This idea of federalism is so extraordinary. Let states craft their own solutions. Don't have ObamaCare put on us by the federal government. MICHELE BACHMANN: 21:38:07:00 George and Diane-- 21:38:07:00 (OVERTALK) MICHELE BACHMANN: 21:38:08:00 George and Diane, can I just say something? This is such an important issue. We have one shot to get rid of ObamaCare, that's it. It is 2012. Do we honestly believe that two men who've just stood on this stage and defended RomneyCare when it was put in place in Massachusetts and the individual mandate when he proposed it in 1993, are they honestly going to get rid of it in 2012? MITT ROMNEY/NEWT GINGRICH: 21:38:33:00 Yes. MICHELE BACHMANN: 21:38:34:00 This is going to be a very-- (LAUGH) but, I don't think so. (CHEERING) It's gonna be a very heavy lift. GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS: 21:38:41:00 I gotta get Senator Santorum in here. MICHELE BACHMANN: 21:38:42:00 It's gonna be a very heavy lift. GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS: 21:38:44:00 Senator. RICK SANTORUM: 21:38:45:00 This is not about what you say at a debate or what you say in a campaign when you're talking to audiences that you wanna get-- that you-- that you know what you wanna hear. Back in 1994 when they would-- I was running for the United States Senate and I did not support an individual mandate and I was a conservative, I supported something called Medical Savings Accounts that I drafted with John Kasich when I was in the House because I believe in bottom-up solving the problems in America, not top-down government solutions. 21:39:10:00 That's what I learned-- I actually learned it, some of it, in listening to some of your GOPAC tapes. But, you've strayed on that issue, as you have on others. The record is important. But what the question was about a consistent conservative, well, you can't talk about whether someone's consistent unless you look at their record. And I'd agree with Michele. I mean, I think Michele has been consistent in-- as-- as a consistent conservative. But, she's been fighting and losing. I fought and won. I was in the United States Senate and I fought and-- and passed Welfare Reform. It-- I was the principal author when I was in the United States House and was-- and-- and managed the bill on the floor of the United States Senate. 21:39:45:00 I was the-- leader on-- on pro-life issues and pro-family issues. And I fought those issues and endured tough debates and won. I went out and fought on na-- national security issues, conservative things like putting sanctions on Iran. And again, the consistent track record of being there in good times and in bad, and I think you heard the difference-- you're not gonna hear them talk about all the positions I took and flip-flopped on. I was there. I led. And I won. 21:40:12:00 And if you're lookin' for someone who can be a consistent conservative, and there's others on this platform, but who can lead the fight, win the issues, and plus, win in states that are important for us to win elections like Pennsylvania and-- GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS: 21:40:25:00 I-- I-- I'm tryin' to be-- we've tried to-- I'll-- I'll-- I'll risk using the word, we've tried to be liberal with the time. But, the time (LAUGH)-- (UNINTEL)close as we can. We-- and we are running up against a commercial break, but it did invoke you kinda swimming backwards, so 30 seconds to respond. MICHELE BACHMANN: 21:40:37:00 Well, you know, I think the important thing to know is that you fight and that you lead. And I led when I-- I was-- when I was in the United States Congress, we were in the minority. Nancy Pelosi wasn't interested in my pro-- pro-- pro-- growth policy on health care. But, I didn't sit on my hands. I saw what was happening to this country. Our country was going to lose because of socialized medicine. 21:41:00:00 And so I did everything I could, including bringing and leading 40,000 people to the Capitol to get the attention of the-- of the Congress to get rid of ObamaCare. As President of the United States, my proven consistent record will be that I will take on every special interest. I will take on K Street. And I will pre-lobby. And I'll make sure that I help elect 13 more Republican U.S. Senators so we have 60 senators in the Senate, a full complement in the House. And I won't rest until we repeal ObamaCare. You can take it to the bank. RICK SANTORUM: 21:41:35:00 But, if I can-- if I can res-- if I can respond to that, because she referenced that-- she referenced there (BACKGROUND VOICE) are differences between the two of us, I was in the minority in the House of Representatives, too. And along with Jim Nussle from here in Iowa, I-- we formed a-- a group called the Gang of Seven and we won. We exposed the House banking scandal. We overturned a huge scandal. We-- we sent the-- eventually sent the Chairman of the Ways and Means Committee, Dan Rostenkowski ended up in jail, because, no, we didn't just fight. But we fight and we figured out a way to win, even in the minority. DIANE SAWYER: 21:42:04:00 And we wanna thank all of you. And again, these are the rules that you set up. We wanna be fair. And we wanna hear everything you have to say. These issues are so important. But, it really does help if you stick to the rules that were agreed on. And we appreciate that. And if-- we could, when we come back, we're gonna tackle some other very big issues, immigration, big questions about foreign policy, and also one about states and family values. And that will be when we come back. (MUSIC) ANNOUNCER: 21:42:32:00 You're watching live ABC News coverage of the Iowa Republican Party debate. (MUSIC) 21:42:41:00 (COMMERCIAL BREAK) MITT ROMNEY: 21:44:48:00 (MUSIC) The real difference, I believe, is our backgrounds. I spent my life in the private sector. I understand how the economy works. And I believe that for Americans to-- to say goodbye to President Obama and elect a Republican, they need to have confidence that the person they're electing knows how to make this economy work again and create jobs for the American middle class. GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS: 21:45:07:00 Your response? NEWT GINGRICH: 21:45:10:00 (CLEARS THROAT) Just a second. We had four allegations. Do I get four responses? GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS: 21:45:14:00 Take your time. (THROAT CLEARING) (CHUCKLE) NEWT GINGRICH: 21:45:15:00 Okay. Let's-- let's start with the last one. Let's be candid. The only reason you didn't become a career politician is you lost to Teddy Kennedy in 1994. (BOOS) MITT ROMNEY: 21:45:24:00 Now-- now wait a second, now wait a second. That's-- that was-- that was-- GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS: 21:45:31:00 That was-- you'll-- you'll get another response, go ahead. NEWT GINGRICH: 21:45:34:00 Do-- do I get to go ahead and continue? MITT ROMNEY: 21:45:35:00 Please, please. NEWT GINGRICH: 21:45:36:00 No, and I'm just saying-- MICHELE BACHMANN: 21:45:37:00 You want a difference, Michele Bachmann is a proven conservative. It's not Newt Romney. MALE VOICE: 21:45:42:00 You threw-- you threw a lot out there. (APPLAUSE) ANNOUNCER: 21:45:44:00 Back live from Des Moines, Iowa (INAUDIBLE). 21:46:09:00 (OFF-MIC CONVERSATION) ANNOUNCER: 21:47:56:00 Live from Drake University in Des Moines, Iowa, once again, Diane Sawyer and George Stephanopoulos. GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS: 21:48:04:00 We are back. It has been a rocking debate so far. And we want to get to another issue that you all talked about extensively in this campaign, and that is values, family, and faith. Governor Romney and Governor Perry, you both made it a feature of ads you ran in Iowa this week, which leads to this question from our partners at the Des Moines Register. And we're gonna show it up on the screen. "Should voters consider marital fidelity in making their choices for president?" And-- and Governor Perry, in South Carolina this week you said this is an important issue. Why? RICK PERRY: 21:48:35:00 Well-- it-- I said that-- not only did I make a vow to my wife, but I made a vow to God. And-- that's pretty heavy liftin' in my book. When I make a vow to God-- then-- I would suggest to you that's-- even stronger than a handshake in Texas. (APPLAUSE) GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS: 21:48:58:00 The question is-- is about its relevance to the presidential race. So, let me just follow up quickly. Do you think a candidate who breaks his marital vows is more likely to break faith with voters? RICK PERRY: 21:49:06:00 Well, you know, I-- I think the voters are wise enough to figure that one out. I've always kind of been of the opinion that-- if you cheat on your wife, you'll cheat on your business partner. So-- I think that-- issue of fidelity is-- important. I mean, it's-- it-- it's a characteristic of which people look at-- individuals, whether it's in their business lives or whether it's in their personal lives, or whether it's pickin' someone that-- served-- in public office for them. 21:49:32:00 Individuals who have been-- fidelit-- in-- in fidelity with-- with their spouse-- I think that sends a very powerful message. If you will cheat on your wife, if you will cheat on your spouse, then why wouldn't you cheat on your business partner or why wouldn't you cheat on anybody for that matter? GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS: 21:49:49:00 Senator Santorum, you ran this week, last Sunday, and you-- summed up your position of character counts. You said this is relevant as well. RICK SANTORUM: 21:49:57:00 I-- I think character issues do count. And I think-- all-- all of-- all of your record-- personal as well as political record is there-- for the public to look at. I would not say it's a disqualifier. I wouldn't go that far. I think people make mistakes and-- you are held accountable to those mistakes and-- the public can listen to-- the circumstances and-- and make their decision. 21:50:20:00 But certainly, it's a factor. And it-- and it should be a factor. You're electing a leader. You're electing someone that trust is everything, and particularly in this election. This election, the people of this-- of Iowa-- I hear this all the time. Who can we trust? And I-- I go out and talk about my record. I talk about the fact that I've been married 21 years and have seven children. 21:50:40:00 I talk about the fact that I'm-- I have a record of consistent-- and-- and conservative politics. I talk about-- you know, my past. I think that's important, and for the people to go and determine whether they're trustworthy enough to earn their support. GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS: 21:50:54:00 Congressman Paul, what's your view on this? RON PAUL: 21:50:56:00 You know, I think character is, obviously-- very important. I-- I don't think it should be necessary to have to talk about it. I think it should show through in the way we live. And I think it should show through in-- in a marriage. And I happen to have been married for 54 years and family person. But, I don't think we should have to talk about it. But, you know what? (UNINTEL) is-- every bit as important. It-- if your marriage vows are important, what about our oath of office? That's what really gets to me. 21:51:21:00 That's where you're really on the line as a public figure. And that's where I think a lot of people come up real short. Because there's many times that I have been forced to Congress because I take my oath very seriously. I am up sometimes, believe it or not, voting all by myself (CHUCKLE) thinking that, "Why aren't there people paying att-- why don't they read Article One, Section Eight?" You know, if-- if we took that oath of office seriously in Washington, we'd get rid of 80% of the government. 21:51:46:00 The budget would be balanced. We'd have sound money. And we would have prosperity. And we wouldn't be the policemen of the world. We wouldn't have a Federal Reserve System, and we wouldn't be invading the privacy of every single individual in this country with bills like the Patriot Act. We'd have a free society and a prosperous society. (APPLAUSE) GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS: 21:52:08:00 Governor Romney, you-- you chose to make your family and your faith-- the feature of your first ad here in Iowa this week. Why? MITT ROMNEY: 21:52:15:00 Well, actually-- the president, President Obama's PAC-- came out with an ad attacking me-- and said that I'm-- I'm not a person of core values, I'm not-- I don't have a core. And we said-- you know in my prior campaigns I've come out with ads that show who I am and why I've gotten in this race. And that relates to my family and my kids. I'm really concerned about America. I think the issue people have to concentrate on is-- is, "Who can lead America to a place where we-- we don't become a Greece or an Italy?" 21:52:41:00 Because, frankly, that's the path we're on. That's where we're going. Who can make sure that America's values, our merit-based society, continues to be the-- the hallmark of what allows our economy to create jobs? Who can make sure that it's good to be middle class in America again? Who can make sure that America is the job-creating engine it once w-- once was? Who can make sure that the kids going to school know that when they get outta school, they're gonna have a job waiting for them that meets the-- the-- the kinda skills that they've created? 21:53:06:00 I-- I believe I'm that person. And-- and part of my motivation for doing those things is I love this country, I love the values of this country, a-- and I wanna make sure that-- that my kids and my grandkids, and I have quite a few of them, 16, that they have an America that's as prosperous as the America that I've enjoyed and just as free. GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS: 21:53:23:00 I wanna get-- Congressman-- Congresswoman Bachmann and then Speaker Gingrich, you wrap this up. MICHELE BACHMANN: 21:53:28:00 Well, the founders spoke about this. And the question was asked, "What is it that we need to have in the president?" And they wrote in the Federalist Papers. They didn't look at wealth. They didn't look at education. They didn't look at position. (COUGH) They looked at just one issue. And it was, "What's the measure of a man? Or, what's the measure of a woman, in our case, for being the next president of the United States. Will they keep their word? Will they be a man or woman of integrity?" That's what they cared about. 21:53:55:00 That was more important than anything else. And I think-- here in Iowa, that's what I've seen. That is also what people care about. Who are you, really? What is your center? What's your core? What's your world view? What drives you? And so people want to know, "What's your faith?" I'm-- I'm a Christian. I'm-- I'm unashamed and unapologetic about that. I have a strong faith. I made a proclamation of my faith in Christ when I was 16. And I don't mind if people ask me those questions or ask me about my husband or our family. I'm happy to talk about that, because after all, people (COUGH) need to take the measure of the man or the measure of the woman when they make that decision. GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS: 21:54:32:00 Speaker Gingrich, what do voters need to know about this issue from your perspective? NEWT GINGRICH: 21:54:35:00 Well, (CLEARS THROAT) first of all, I think it is a real issue. And people have to look at the person whom they're gonna loan the presidency. And they have the-- they have the right to ask every single question. They have to have a feeling that this is a person that they can trust with the level of power we give to the presidency. And I think it's a very, very important issue. And I think people have to render judgment. In my case, I've said up-front openly I've made mistakes at times. I've had to go to God for forgiveness. I've had to seek reconciliation. But I'm also a 68-year-old grandfather. And I think people have to measure who I am now and whether I'm a person they can trust. And all I can tell you is that, you know, I am-- delighted at the way people have been willing to look at who I am, to look at what my record has been, and the amount of support we're getting from the American people and from all across the State of Iowa, the number of people who have supported-- the candidacy of real change and a record of real change. DIANE SAWYER: 21:55:27:00 And I'd like to turn now, if we can, to the issue of immigration. And so many people talk about it in their living room, talk about it around their dinner tables at night-- if I can. And can we just do one thing for the interest of time? Can we stipulate that every single person on this stage tonight has said the number one thing to do is secure the borders, secure the borders, secure the borders, secure the borders. You may have slightly different prescriptions to do it. But, we stipulate that, that that's what you all want to do first. 21:55:57:00 I'd like to turn, now, the question, the 11 million undocumented people in this country. And Speaker Gingrich, I'm gonna come back to you because you have talked about citizen review boards to review individual cases, that treated them in individual basis. You-- you've-- you mentioned the fact that someone who's been here 25 years, served the community, should get special consideration under this board. How many years is the threshold for your-- is it five years-- has served the community under the criteria that you've set out before, five years also a candidate? NEWT GINGRICH: 21:56:39:00 I think, first of all, that anybody you would apply to a-- the citizen review board idea came out of a selective service model. It was used as draft boards in World War II. We relied on the local citizens to render judgment about who oughta be deferred, who oughta be drafted. Did they have local knowledge? That's the starting point. 21:56:56:00 Second, I started wi-- with-- with cases that I think are very hard to-- to argue about. Someone who's been here 25 years, somebody who has been a good local citizen, may well belong to your church, has children and grandchildren in the United States, and I will just say flatly, I do not believe the people of the United States are gonna send the police in to rip that kinda person out and ship them outta this country, (COUGH) particularly because those are precisely the people that end up in churches as sanctuaries. 21:57:25:00 And I think we oughta be honest about that. I think most of the workers who are here who have no ties to us should go home immediately. I think we should make deportation dramatically easier. This is, I think frankly we oughta make English the official language of government. And we oughta have an effective guest worker program with very severe penalties for those employers who hire people illegally. DIANE SAWYER: 21:57:44:00 But, the Pew Center for Hispanic Center, as you know, has said that maybe 3.5 million people could come under the criteria that you laid out. NEWT GINGRICH: 21:57:53:00 I-- I don't think there's 3.5 million people who've been here 25 years. DIANE SAWYER: 21:57:57:00 But they're talking about people who have been here 15 years. 15 years. NEWT GINGRICH: 21:58:01:00 Well, I wasn't. They were. You used a number that doesn't relate to my proposal. DIANE SAWYER: 21:58:05:00 But, under the criteria that you have set out, do you have a threshold on the number of people you would consider before the review board? NEWT GINGRICH: 21:58:12:00 Well, I-- that's why you have the citizen review panel. The per-- the person has to have been here 25 years, have genuine ties to the community, be a good citizen, and have an American family sponsor them. And they still don't get citizenship. This is not amnesty. They get residency. And they pay a penalty in order to get residency. DIANE SAWYER: 21:58:30:00 Okay, I'm gonna turn it to k-- to Governor Romney because we heard Speaker Gingrich say we're not gonna round people up and deport them. And I think at one point-- you said something similar in a meeting at Bloomberg that-- that they're not going to be tracking everybody down and moving them out. And yet, to our colleague David Muir-- wanna try to clarify something. You said, "You seem to indicate that people should go back home to their country." And in some cases it may mean as much as five years if they get at the back of the line or more. Are you saying-- how many people should be sent back home to their countries? Should they be tracked down to establish who they are, sent back home to their country? MITT ROMNEY: 21:59:16:00 I-- I believe that any time that we start talking about a-- a form of amnesty, whether it's technically amnesty or not, when we start talking about how people have been able to come here and stay illegally for some period of time, that they're gonna be able to stay here permanently and become a permanent resident of the United States with-- with rights to our education system, our health care system, and so forth, we will then create another magnet that draws people into our country illegally. 21:59:41:00 So, the right course for us is to, once again, talk about what you described. Secure the border. Once we do that, we can start talking about the 11 million or whatever number that may be that are in the country illegally. My own view is those 11-- 11 million people should register the fact that they're here in the country. They should be given some transition period of time to allow them to-- settle their affairs and then return home and get in the-- in line at the back of the line with everybody else that wants to come here. 22:00:08:00 Don't forget, when we talk about-- about-- the difficulty of people going home, there are millions of people who-- many of whom have relatives here in this country who are in line, who want to come here. I want to bring people into this country who have skill, experience, family here who want to draw them in. I do not want to do something. (NOISE) I do not want to do something which encourages another wave of illegal immigration. So, from my view-- viewpoint, the key-- the key measure is this: No favoritism for permanent residency or citizenship for those that have come here illegally. DIANE SAWYER: 22:00:41:00 So, you've said all 11 million. If I could Governor Perry-- there is a case or there are a number of these cases of-- of people who have signed up for the military, the U.S. military, who have been undocumented but nonetheless go and sign up. What should happen with them? GOVERNOR RICK PERRY: 22:00:58:00 Well, let me-- address the issue that you asked from the start, and obviously securing that border is the-- is the key. And any of these conversations that we're having now are nothing more than intellectual-- discussions until you secure that border. 22:01:12:00 But if this country would simply enforce the laws that are already on the book, you think about all of the laws that we have that are already out there, laws that clearly saw-- that-- that, "Here are punishments," and, "Here's what will happen." If this country would simply enforce the laws that we have on the book-- I will tell you one thing: As the president of the United States, you will not see me sending my Justice Department to sue states like Arizona that are havin' to sovereign rights, I think, put in jeopardy by our Justice Department. 22:01:49:00 You will not see a catch and release program like this administration has today th-- where people who are caught who are illegally in this country, and because they haven't been (RUSTLING) caught in a violent situation, they're released. Released into the general population. That's the problem that we've got in this country. 22:02:11:00 I would suggest to you we spend time with the laws that we've got on the book being enforced, we'll have a substantial smaller number of people of which we're gonna have to make decisions about at that particular point in time. And then we can have a legitimate conversation about immigration reform. GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS: 22:02:29:00 I wanna change subjects now because-- (APPLAUSE) foreign policy was-- Speaker Gingrich caused something of a stir overnight in the Middle East with comments he made in interview with the Jewish channel in which he called the Palestinians an invented people. And-- I just wondered-- G-- Congressman Paul, if I can start with you: Do you agree with that characterization, that the Palestinians are an invented people? CONGRESSMAN RON PAUL: 22:02:52:00 N-- no, I don't agree with that. And that's just stirrin' up trouble. And I-- I believe in a non-interventionist foreign policy. I don't think we should get in the middle of these squabbles. But to go out of our way and say that so-and-so is not a real people? Technically and historically, yes-- you know, under the Ottoman Empire, the Palestinians didn't have a state, but neither did Israel have a state then too. 22:03:13:00 But this is how we get involved in so many messes. And I think it just fails on the side of-- practicing a little bit of diplomacy, getting ourselves (LAUGH) into trouble mentioning things that are unnecessary. The people in those regions should be dealing with these problems; we shouldn't be dealing with these things. 22:03:30:00 But-- historically, it-- it-- you know, under the Ottoman Empire, that i-- that is-- technically-- correct. But to make these decisions in deciding what the settlement's going to be should be the people that are involved. This idea that we can be the policemen of the world and settle all these disputes, I mean, soon we'll have to quit because we're flat out broke. But we-- we cannot continue to get into these issues like this and-- and-- and-- and getting ourselves into more trouble. GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS: 22:04:00:00 Speaker Gingrich, as I've said, this has caused quite a reaction in-- in the Middle East. The chief Palestinian negotiator, Sa-- Saeb Erekat, said, "Mark my words: These statements of Gingrich will be the ammunition and weapons of the bin Ladens and the extremists for a long, long time." SPEAKER NEWT GINGRICH: 22:04:13:00 How would he know the difference? Look from historic, George, simply. Is-- is what I said factually correct? Yes. Is it historically true? Yes. Are we in a situation where every day, rockets are fired into Israel while the United States, the current administration, tries to pressure the Israelis into a peace process? 22:04:33:00 Hamas does not admit the-- the right of Israel to exist, and says publicly, "Not a single Jew will remain." The Palestinian Authority ambassador to India said last month, "There is no difference between Fatah and Hamas. We both agree Israel has no right to exist." 22:04:50:00 Somebody oughta have the courage to tell the truth: These people are terrorists. They teach terrorism in their schools. They have textbooks that say, "If there are 13 Jews and nine Jews are killed, how many Jews are left?" We pay for those textbooks through our aid money. It's fundamentally-- time for somebody to have the guts to stand up and say, "Enough lying about the Middle East." GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS: 22:05:09:00 Governor Romney, (APPLAUSE) you just heard the Speaker say he was just telling the truth. Do you take any issue with that characterization of the Palestinians as an invented people? GOVERNOR MITT ROMNEY: 22:05:22:00 I-- I happen to agree with-- with most of what the speaker said, except by going down and saying the Palestinians are an invented people. That I think was a mistake on the speaker's part. I-- I think-- you-- you-- I think the speaker would probably suggest that as well. I-- I don't think we want to-- 22:05:35:00 (SPEAKER NEWT GINGRICH: UNINTEL) GOVERNOR MITT ROMNEY: 22:05:37:00 Maybe not. I-- (LAUGHTER) I think we're very wise to stand with our friends, Israel, and not get out ahead of them. This president decided he was gonna try and negotiate for Israel by sayin', "Let's go back to the '67 borders." That's not what Israel wanted to h-- hear. 22:05:51:00 They-- Israel does not want us to make it more difficult for them to sit down with the Palestinians. Ultimately, the Palestinians and the Israelis are gonna have to agree on how they're gonna settle the-- the differences between them. And the United States-- 22:06:02:00 (OVERTALK) GOVERNOR MITT ROMNEY: 22:06:03:00 --and the-- and the United States of America should not jump ahead of Bibi Netanyahu and say something that makes it more difficult for him to-- to do his job. My view is this: We stand with the Israeli people. We link arms with them. If we disagree with them, like this president has time and time again, we don't do it in public like he's done it, we do it in private. 22:06:21:00 And we let the Israeli leadership describe what they believe the right course is going forward. We don't negotiate for the Israeli people. We stand with the Israeli people, stand with our friends, and make it very clear: We are gonna t-- we're gonna tell the truth, but we're not gonna throw incendiary words into a-- a place which is-- a boiling pot when our friends the Israelis would probably say, "What in the world are you doin'?" GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS: 22:06:43:00 So there you have it, Mr. Speaker. He says this is gonna make life more difficult for the Israelis. SPEAKER NEWT GINGRICH: 22:06:47:00 The Israelis are getting rocketed every day. The-- we're not making life more difficult. The Obama administration's making life more difficult. The fact is, the Palestinian claim to a right of return is based on a historically false story. Somebody oughta have the courage to go all the way back to the 1921 League of Nations mandate for a Jewish homeland, point out the context in which Israel came into existence, and "Palestinian" did not become a common term until after 1977. This is a propaganda war in which our side refuses to engage. And we refuse to tell the truth when the other side lies. And you're not gonna win the long run if you're afraid to stand firm and stand for the truth. GOVERNOR MITT ROMNEY: 22:07:25:00 Of course you s-- of course you stand firm, and stand for the truth. But you don't speak for Israel. SPEAKER NEWT GINGRICH: 22:07:30:00 I didn't. GOVERNOR MITT ROMNEY: 22:07:30:00 If-- if-- if-- if Bibi Netanyahu wants to say what you said, let him say it. But our ally, b-- the-- the people of Israel, should be able to take their own positions and not have us negotiate for them. DIANE SAWYER: 22:07:41:00 I want to turn, if I can, to-- SPEAKER NEWT GINGRICH: 22:07:42:00 But can-- can I just say one last thing? Because I didn't speak for the people of Israel. I spoke as a historian who's looked at the world stage for a very long time. I've known Bibi since 1984. I feel quite confident an amazing number of Israelis found it nice to have an American tell the truth about the war they are in the middle of and the casualties they're taking and the people who surround them who say, "You do not have the right to exist, and we want to destroy you." GOVERNOR MITT ROMNEY: 22:08:04:00 I-- I've known-- I've-- (APPLAUSE) I've also known Bibi Netanyahu for a long time. We worked together at-- at Boston Consulting Group. And the last thing Bibi Netanyahu needs to have is not just a person who's an historian, but somebody who is also running for president of the United States, stand up and say things that create extraordinary tumult in-- in his neighborhood. DIANE SAWYER: 22:08:29:00 Congresswoman-- GOVERNOR MITT ROMNEY: 22:08:29:00 And I'm president of the United States, I will exercise sobriety, care, stability. And make sure that in a setting like this, anything I say that can affect a place with-- with rockets going in, with people dying, I don't do anything that would harm that-- that process. 22:08:47:00 And therefore, before I made a statement of that nature, I'd get on the phone to my friend Bibi Netanyahu and say, "Would it help if I said this? What would you like me to do? Let's work together, because we're partners." I'm not a bomb thrower, rhetorically or literally. DIANE SAWYER: 22:09:00:00 Under the rules, we need-- your response. (APPLAUSE) SPEAKER NEWT GINGRICH: 22:09:05:00 I think sometimes it is helpful to have a president of the United States with the courage to tell the truth, just as was Ronald Reagan who went around his entire national security apparatus to call the Soviet Union an evil empire and who overruled his entire State Department in order to say, "Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall." Reagan believed the power of truth restated the world and reframed the world. I am a Reaganite, I'm proud to be a Reaganite. I will tell the truth, even if it's at the risk of causing some confusion sometimes with the timid. GOVERNOR MITT ROMNEY: 22:09:32:00 I think it's important (APPLAUSE)-- GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS: 22:09:37:00 Who's got the better of this argument, Congresswoman Bachmann? Who's got the better of this argument? CONGRESSWOMAN MICHELE BACHMANN: 22:09:41:00 Who has the better of this argument? GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS: 22:09:42:00 Yeah. (LAUGHTER) CONGRESSWOMAN MICHELE BACHMANN: 22:09:46:00 In 1974, I went to Israel for the first time and I worked on a kibbutz for the summer. And I saw a brand new nation that had begun in 1948 and was making its way into the modernization that we know today. They're a first world nation. I was able to return as a member of Congress multiple times, and I also met with Fayad in Ramallah in the very room that Arafat used as his conference room. When I was in there, I-- I had asked Fayad about the issue that we were very concerned about, and that's how the Palestinians teach their children to hate the Jews and call them pigs and swine and descendants from Hades. GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS: 22:10:24:00 Okay, but do you think-- CONGRESSWOMAN MICHELE BACHMANN: 22:10:24:00 And I-- and let me finish-- 22:10:25:00 (OVERTALK) CONGRESSWOMAN MICHELE BACHMANN: 22:10:26:00 And I have asked him about this very important issues, because how do you find peace when you continue to teach your children hatred? And asked Fayad about this issue, and he said, "Oh, tha-- we don't do that anymore. Our textbooks aren't filled with that." 22:10:38:00 And I said, "Oh really?" I pulled out a manila envelope that I'd brought with me, and I pulled out the pages that I'd photocopied out of current books that were being used that clearly showed that. And he said, "Oh, but these are old textbooks." And he said-- I said, "Really? Well, then why don't you send me the new textbooks that no longer say that and compare them with the old?" And I checked my mailbox today; he still hasn't me those textbooks. That's what needs to change. DIANE SAWYER: 22:11:06:00 Senator Santorum, let me put to you George's question. Who's got the better of the argument? SENATOR RICK SANTORUM: 22:11:11:00 Well, I-- I think you have to speak the truth-- but you have to do so with prudence. I mean, it's-- it's a combination. Th-- and, you know, I-- I-- I sat there and I listened to both of 'em; I thought they both had-- made excellent points. 22:11:23:00 But we're in a real-life situation. This isn't an academic exercise. We've got-- we have a-- we have an ally, and the policy of this country should be to stand shoulder to shoulder with our ally. And-- we-- we didn't have an ally in the Soviet Union. The only allies we had were sitting in gulags, and they desperately needed to hear the truth. And Ronald Reagan provided that truth. GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS: 22:11:44:00 So-- so do we-- SENATOR RICK SANTORUM: 22:11:44:00 Here, we have-- 22:11:45:00 (OVERTALK) GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS: 22:11:45:00 --with prudence, would that be saying (NOISE) Palestinians are invented or not? SENATOR RICK SANTORUM: 22:11:50:00 If I can finish my s-- comment, I'll get to that, George. (LAUGHTER) That-- that we-- we have an ally here that we have to work closely with. And I think Mitt's point was-- was the correct one. We need to be working with the Israelis to find out, you know what? Is this a wise thing for us to do, to step forward and to engage this issue? Maybe it is. 22:12:10:00 My guess is, at this point in time, it's not. Not that we shouldn't tell the truth, but we should be talking to our allies. It's their fight. We are to be their ally, we're to be-- supporting them. And I'm-- I-- I've been out here very publicly-- that the Israelis have the right to determine what happens in their land. And all of Israel, including the quote-- you know, West Bank, is Israeli land. And we need to work with them as to the solution that works best for our ally. DIANE SAWYER: 22:12:36:00 Governor Perry, close this-- GOVERNOR RICK PERRY: 22:12:37:00 Let me-- DIANE SAWYER: 22:12:37:00 --please. GOVERNOR RICK PERRY: 22:12:38:00 --just say that I think this is a minor issue-- that the media is blowing-- way out of proportion. We have a president of the United States who has put the most muddled foreign policy in place that is causing the problems in the Middle East. Whether it goes back to two thousand and-- and-- nine when we had an opportunity to impact Iran, whether it has been the way that-- he stood back in Egypt and did not try to negotiate people who would come in that w-- could work with us, and now we have radical Islamists as the head of Egypt, whether it was leading from the rear, if you will, in-- in Libya. 22:13:18:00 The idea that this president now, with Iran getting one of our predator drones in their possession, and he had two opportunities-- well, he didn't have two opportunities, he had two choices-- actually, he had three. And he chose the worst. 22:13:33:00 And those two opportunities he had was to either retrieve that drone, or to destroy it, and he did the worst of the three and he did absolutely nothing. And the Russians and the Chinese will have our highly technical equipment now. This president is the problem, not something that Newt Gingrich said. (APPLAUSE) DIANE SAWYER: 22:14:06:00 We have to take a break right now, and I just want to say that we have a partner in all of this, which of course is Yahoo. I want to put up a question which we want to address when we come back about the struggles of the middle class in this country. And we have a question on Yahoo about the last time those of you had a personal financial strain that forced you to cut back on a necessity, as so many people in the middle class say they do. What were the consequences you fa-- you faced, and will you weigh in on that? And that's when we come back. 22:14:43:00 (COMMERCIAL BREAK) (MUSIC) 22:16:02:00 (REVIEW CLIPS NOT TRANSCRIBED) ANNOUNCER: 22:19:56:00 Live from Drake University in Des Moines, Iowa, once again, Diane Sawyer and George Stephanopoulos. DIANE SAWYER: 22:20:02:00 And we welcome all of you back and, again, we thank the Republican candidates for president of the United States for debating here tonight. I'm gonna return to the Yahoo question, which brings the struggles of the middle class down to something personal for everyone who is behind a podium up there. 22:20:18:00 And here's what it said: "Many of us are forced to make cuts to continue necessities such as mortgage payments, groceries, transportation to work, and health care." And then the question continues, they want to know, "When is the last time you had a personal financial strain that forced you, not only to give up a luxury, but also to cut back on necessity? And what were the consequences you faced?" This is from Andrew in Texas. And I'd like to start, Governor Perry, with you. GOVERNOR RICK PERRY: 22:20:46:00 Well, obviously-- growin' up where I grew up-- there were some people that probably said-- as a matter of fact, I was on-- radio station here, WHO-- yesterday and-- and talked about my upbringing. And-- growin' up in a house that didn't have-- running water until I was five or six years old and-- and my mother-- sewin' my own clothes for me till I went off to college. 22:21:12:00 And-- the idea that-- luxury really wasn't in my lexicon. But as I grew and as I-- went off and flew in the United States Air Force and I came back home, and as a 27-year-old boy-- well, I was a m-- grown man by then-- but I didn't have anything-- I-- my social security-- has a zero in 1978. So I'm sure I was givin' up some things that other people would consider to be luxuries. 22:21:44:00 But the fact is-- I've never had a time in my life when I felt like that I gave anything up that I didn't have everything I needed. And-- I know there are people that are-- that are suffering in America today, and that's the reason we need to get this country back working and having people so that they can have a job. And the policies that I've laid out, and the record that I've had in the State of Texas for the last decade, clearly gives that record to the people of this country. DIANE SAWYER: 22:22:14:00 Again, we just want to remind you that, when the red comes up, you-- the rules that were agreed on here. I'll do the two governors; Governor Romney grew up in very different circumstances. What about this question? GOVERNOR MITT ROMNEY: 22:22:24:00 I didn't grow up poor. And if somebody is looking for someone who's grown up with that background, I'm-- I'm not the person. But I-- but I grew up with a dad who'd been poor, and my dad wanted to make sure I understood the lessons of hard work. And my mom and dad wanted to make sure that I understood the principles that made America the greatest nation on earth. 22:22:43:00 And so they made sure we had jobs as we were growing up. They made sure we didn't spend money foolishly. And they made sure that I had-- a care and concern for other people. I was able to serve my church overseas, and to-- to meet people there that had very difficult circumstances in their life. I also spent time in this country, serving as a pastor in my-- in my church, and again, having the occasion to work with people that were really struggling. I saw marriages under great stress. 22:23:06:00 You see, when-- when people lose jobs, marriages get strained, people's health gets affected-- people become depressed. And-- and I'm in this race, not-- not because I grew up without means, but because I understand what it takes to get America working again. And I love this country enormously and understand the principles and understand the specifics that it takes to get America creating jobs again. That's why I'm in the race. DIANE SAWYER: 22:23:30:00 And Congressman Paul, what does this question evoke? How much does it matter to have personal experience? CONGRESSMAN RON PAUL: 22:23:38:00 Well-- I feel very fortunate because-- although I was raised in-- in a system that-- in a family that was rather poor, but we-- (LAUGH) I didn't even know it. You know, it was durin' the Depression and World War II, and we didn't have very much, and I worked my way through college, and that was a natural instinct because that's what you were supposed to do. But-- I-- I-- I finally-- did a little bit better in medical school because I had my wife work our way through cool-- (LAUGH) medical school. (LAUGHTER) So that worked out a little bit better. 22:24:06:00 But middle class is suffering, but not only because we bale out the rich and dump on the poor and they lose their jobs and they lose their houses, but there's a characteristic about monetary policy. When a country destroys its currency, it transfers wealth from the middle class to the wealthy, and this is what you're seeing today: the elimination of the middle class. And going to get a lot worse unless we address the subject overspending, over-borrowing, and printing too much money, and understanding the business cycle. DIANE SAWYER: 22:24:36:00 Senator Santorum. (APPLAUSE) SENATOR RICK SANTORUM: 22:24:40:00 I c-- I can say that I grew up in a very modest home and was very blessed to have-- all my basic needs met. And one of the most basic needs and the most important one that I've learned was that I was blessed to have a mother and a father. That was the most important gift that I was given, that I had two parents who were together, who loved me, who supported me and made me feel safe. And made the-- the-- the little things that no one would consider luxuries today feel like luxuries because I had that sense of security. 22:25:09:00 Unfortunately, America, we see the family continuing to break down. And with that, the economic status of those families. Single-parent households in America now have poverty levels approaching 40%. So-- you not only have the lack of security and stability in so many cases, because moms are doin' heroic work tryin' to hold things together, but it's hard. 22:25:31:00 And so what we can do as a federal government, we can do more importantly as the leader of this country, to try to promote this institution of marriage. Try to promote the family and try to nurture this environment that we have to-- to make sure that families are elevated and supported and fathers and mothers are there to take care of their families and-- and-- and-- and be there for their children. That's the most important luxury, is a mom and a dad. DIANE SAWYER: 22:25:54:00 And Congresswoman Bachmann, someone said recently that troubled banks got a bailout, troubled homeowners got evicted. Your response on this question and the struggle for the middle class. CONGRESSWOMAN MICHELE BACHMANN: 22:26:07:00 Well, I opposed the $700 bailout for Wall Street because Wall Street rolled the dice and they made some very foolish decisions. They were only too happy to pocket profits when times were good, but when times went south and things got sour then they decided to socialize their losses. And the-- American taxpayer was only too good to bail them out. 22:26:29:00 There's people on this stage that-- supported that bailout; I didn't. Behind closed doors, I took on the Treasury secretary, Hank Paulson; I took on my own president because I knew this was going to be a very bad deal. 22:26:42:00 You'd asked the question about luxuries and where we come from. I was born here in Iowa to a middle-class family, but my family went through a tragedy that millions of families go through: My folks got divorced. And when it happened, my mom found herself a single mom who'd been a full-time homemaker, she had four kids. We went to below poverty overnight. And when I was 13, I had to start getting a job to help out the family. 22:27:06:00 I know what the-- it's like for single moms to struggle. And throughout most of our marriage, we're still coupon clippers today. We still go to consignment stores today. We get what that feels like. And I think it's important for the next president of the United States to be in touch with what real people struggle with across the country, and I have. GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS: 22:27:26:00 Speaker Gingrich? (APPLAUSE) SPEAKER NEWT GINGRICH: 22:27:30:00 Well, let me say first of all, the-- that-- when I was young, we lived-- in an apartment above a gas station on the square in Holmestown (PH), Pennsylvania. I had relatives who were steel workers, others who were delivery men, some who worked in department stores. My dad was in the Army and we'd moved around, and he lived on the pay of a junior officer. By the time-- it was fairly frugal, but you-- you didn't feel desperate. 22:27:50:00 Today, I've had several relatives in the last three years who've been out of work, who've had to go through very difficult times. My wife Callista runs Gingrich Productions as a company. It's a very small company, does basically movies and books and things like that. We have to meet a payroll. We have to find markets. We have to find-- you know-- d-- well, do-- do everything that small businesses go through. And I know how difficult this economy is at a practical level if you're a small business. GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS: 22:28:16:00 I wanna stick with Yahoo because as you-- we said at the start, we're getting real-time feedback from our Yahoo audience. Over 12,000 people have already weighed in on Yahoo and ABCNews.com. An-- and this is directed at-- at Speaker Gingrich and-- and-- and Governor Romney, because more than 72% say right now they want to hear more from you about your past support for health care mandates. 22:28:37:00 That's something that they're still not fully satisfied with what they've heard-- (NOISE) from you. And-- and Speaker Gingrich-- I mean, Governor Romney, let me begin with you because-- you were clear. You've said you've always been against a federal mandate; you supported it in the State of Massachusetts. Where there has been some ambiguity, at least in the past, is whether you think that other states should try the mandate. Back in 2007, you said that you thought it would be good for most states to try it; now you say you wouldn't encourage other states to try. Can you explain that? GOVERNOR MITT ROMNEY: 22:29:06:00 States can do whatever the heck they want to do; that's the great thing about-- (APPLAUSE) about our system. I-- I think there's a good deal that we did that people can look at and find as a model, that could-- GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS: 22:29:17:00 The mandate? GOVERNOR MITT ROMNEY: 22:29:17:00 --help other state-- if some-- if they want to, sure. They could try what they think is best. I-- that's-- it's up to other states to try what works for them. Some will like that; some will think it's a terrible idea. We had this idea of exchanges where people could buy insurance-- from companies, private companies-- we have no government insurance, by the way, in our state. It's all-- other than the federal Medicare/Medic-- Medicaid programs. It's all private pay. So people can learn from one another. 22:29:40:00 But-- but my-- (LAUGH) my plan-- was designed for our state, and other states should have the right to create plans that work for them. And if they come up with something better than we did, then we can learn from them. But the idea of a federal government or a federal mandate, as you see with Obamacare, flies in the face of the Constitution, violates the tenth amendment. I think the Supreme Court will strike it down. If they don't, I will. GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS: 22:30:02:00 Speaker Gingrich-- Congresswoman Bachmann pointed out that as-- as late as May of this year, you supported some form of the mandate when everyone else had-- had come out against it. What finally tipped you over and convinced you that it was unconstitutional? SPEAKER NEWT GINGRICH: 22:30:17:00 Well, I think first of all for the federal government to do it is unconstitutional because it means the Congress-- the Congress, which could compel you to purchase this item, could compel you to purchase any item. And so the question of freedom would be d-- would be missed. And any (MIC NOISE) majority could then decide to make you do virtually anything. I think that's part of why you're seeing a dramatic shift back towards limiting the federal government and towards imposing the tenth amendment as a very serious barrier. 22:30:42:00 I-- I've been working on health issues since 1974. And I've been t-- and-- and I tried to find a way to break out of where we are, because the fact is the whole third-party payment model, whether public or private, has grown more and more expensive, more and more difficult to sustain. And helped found the Center for Health Transformation that-- for that reason, wrote a book called Saving Lives and Saving Money back in 2002. 22:31:04:00 We need to fundamentally rethink the entire health system to move back towards a doctor-patient relationship, and back toward something like what Rick Santorum talked about with health savings accounts where people are directly engaged in their own health and in taking care of themselves to a much greater degree than they are in the current insurance system. DIANE SAWYER: 22:31:22:00 If I can switch to this question, and-- and it is about health care, because a number of people-- in fact, I was just at a pharmacy here-- I-- have a cough. But I was (LAUGH) at the pharmacy here in Iowa, and the pharmacists were talking about a big-- driver of health care costs. And they specifically mentioned habits, unhealthy habits that we all need to learn to be better on at a young age. They talked about obesity, they talked about exercise. If I can ask you, Congressman Paul: Anything government should do on these fronts? CONGRESSMAN RON PAUL: 22:31:58:00 On-- on medical? Or? DIANE SAWYER: 22:31:59:00 On these fronts, specifically, of healthy behavior at very young-- ages for-- it's-- CONGRESSMAN RON PAUL: 22:32:05:00 No, essentially not, but they have to be-- a referee. If people are doing things that hurt other people, yes. But if you embark on instituting a society where government protects you from yourself, you're in big trouble, and that's what they're doing. (APPLAUSE) 22:32:27:00 I think-- I think what we've had here is a demonstration of-- why should we have a candidate that's gonna have to explain themselves? 70% of the people want further explanations on what your positions are. So I think that it is endless. But you talk about the-- the Obamacare using force, but that's all government is, is force. 22:32:48:00 I mean, do you have a choice about paying Medicare taxes? So there's not a whole of different-- you're forced to buy insurance. That's one step further. But you have to stop with force. Once government uses force to mold behavior or mold the economy, they've overstepped the bounds and they've violated the whole concept of our revolution and our Constitution. (APPLAUSE) GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS: 22:33:15:00 We-- we are running short on time. I just want to ask quickly, does anyone disagree with the first part of Congressman Paul's answer there, where he said the government really shouldn't be getting involved in these broader issues of behavior? GOVERNOR RICK PERRY: 22:33:25:00 Listen, I happen to think that the states-- that's their call, not the federal government. The states should be able to make decisions on whether they-- Terry, you probably have some programs here-- in Iowa to get-- 22:33:38:00 (MALE VOICE: UNINTEL) GOVERNOR RICK PERRY: 22:33:40:00 There you go. (LAUGHTER) (APPLAUSE) So-- it-- it-- it should be their call. But listen, this goes back, and-- and-- and Congressman Paul and I, you know, we disagree from time to time. But the real issues that we have in this country are that people are sick of Washington, D.C. They're sick of the money that they're seeing spent, they're sick of the fraud and the corruption that they're seeing. 22:34:02:00 They're sick of seeing their-- their kids' futures mortgaged because we've got a Washington, D.C., that is out of touch with the country. It's the reason, when I talk about my overhauling Washington plan, and I've gotten a pretty good response across the country when I talk about goin' to a part-time Congress. Cut their pay in half, let 'em spend half the time in Washington, D.C. Send 'em back home to have a regular job like the rest of the people in their districts, and work under the laws that they pass. That I will suggest to you, along with a balanced budget amendment to the United States Congress, will go a long way toward stoppin' a lot of the nonsense that we're seeing comin' out of Washington-- GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS: 22:34:41:00 Now, it was Governor-- GOVERNOR RICK PERRY: 22:34:41:00 --D.C. GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS: 22:34:41:00 --Branstad who said this is the-- healthiest-- CONGRESSWOMAN MICHELE BACHMANN: 22:34:44:00 Healthiest-- GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS: 22:34:44:00 --state in the nation, and we will return to the healthiest state in the nation in just a minute. ANNOUNCER: 22:34:48:00 (MUSIC) You're watching live ABC News coverage of the Iowa Republican Party debate. ANNOUNCER: 22:40:20:00 Live from Drake University in Des Moines, Iowa. Once again, Diane Sawyer and George Stephanopoulos. DIANE SAWYER: 22:40:27:00 And George and I were just talking about the fact, the question we get so often is, why can't people who disagree show respect for each other, and can we all work together, even people who disagree, to move the country forward? And so-- GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS: 22:40:40:00 So we're-- in form of closing, still we just want each of you, you're running against each other. But in these last few minutes, and just think of a minute where we will not run over to commercial, (LAUGH) tell us the one thing you've learned from someone else, one of your challengers, on stage. Senator Santorum? RICK SANTORUM: 22:40:56:00 Well, I'll-- I'll go back to-- you know, the comment I made earlier. I mean, I-- when I was first running for office-- you know, Newt Gingrich was the guy that-- who's-- who's tapes I've listened to as a young man-- and tryin' to-- at 30 years old, deciding to run for Congress. He laid out-- a vision for conservative governance that-- that I-- adopted and-- and ran with in a very, very tough Congressional district outside of suburban Pittsburgh, so tough that no one gave me a chance of winnin' it. 22:41:24:00 Fact, election night the Wall Street Journal called the Republican National Committee to find out the name of the guy that won. And they didn't even know my name at the RNC. (LAUGHTER) That's a true story. And-- and you don't get a lotta true stories. But that's a true story. And-- and so, you know-- I-- I came out of the blue as a conservative. 22:41:44:00 Think that's, again, the-- the thing that distinguishes me. I-- I've run as a conservative in a 60% Democratic district and won in a 70% Democratic district and won in the State of Pennsylvania with almost a million more Republicans than Democrats and won. I defeated an incumbent and-- and won again. And-- in a year that George Bush lost the election by five, I won by six. And-- and I stuck by the conservative principles that Newt outlined in the-- in the late '80s. And-- and it's always served me well. I've been a consistent conservative. GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS: 22:42:11:00 Governor Perry? RICK PERRY: 22:42:13:00 I'd say-- Congressman Paul got me really intrigued with the whole-- the federal reserve. And I've spent a substantial amount of time reading about and Currency Wars, the book by James Rickards that-- but Congressman Paul is-- is-- is the individual in the stage that got me most interested in-- in a subject that I found to be quite interesting and at the root of a lotta the problems that we have. And I thank you for that. But the one thing that I found-- outside of-- of these fine-- individuals on this stage is that the people of this country, the people of this country really want to get America back on track. 22:42:54:00 And Ri-- Congressman Keane, whether it's somebody like you and-- and your Idea Act that-- that we talked about the other day-- there are really good men and women in this country that wanna get this country back headed down a track. And they understand, Michele, just as you've said, that this election is about the future of this country. One of the most important elections, if not the most important election, and we gotta get it right. DIANE SAWYER: 22:43:20:00 Over to you, Governor Romney. (APPLAUSE) MITT ROMNEY: 22:43:25:00 I-- I always find-- the principle of leadership to be most interesting. And-- and as I look at the people on this stage, each exhibits different qualities of leadership. And they've each exercised leadership in different ways. Wha-- one of the about Ron Paul that always-- amazes me is when I come to a debate like this, the only signs I see are the Ron Paul people out there-- (LAUGHTER) in freezing. (APPLAUSE) 22:43:51:00 In freezing temperatures, they're always there. He ignites an enthusiasm with a number of people. That's very exciting to watch. In choosing a president, it-- it's the qualities of leadership that are gonna make the difference. Because our positions on issues are-- are-- are important, of course. 22:44:05:00 And I happen to think I've got the right positions on issues, of course. Or I wouldn't have 'em. But-- but fundamentally-- we know that down the road what's gonna de-- determine who is a great president or not is-- is their qualities of leadership in getting America back on track. And-- and-- and I believe-- right now-- and just as-- as Governor Perry just said, this is the time for real leadership because this country is going in a very dangerous direction. This is a time where America has got to return to principles that will keep us the hope of the earth and-- and the shining city on the hill. That light from that shining city has dimmed over the last three years. And I will help restore it. (APPLAUSE) GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS: 22:44:40:00 Mister speaker. NEWT GINGRICH: 22:44:45:00 Well, I-- I wanna say two people, one on the stage and one not. Governor Terry Branstad is my role model. Get outta politics for a while doin' something else, be involved in health care, (LAUGHTER) come back when you're clearly too old, too experienced, too tied to the past, win the governorship decisively, do a great job. (CHEERS) (APPLAUSE) 22:45:09:00 And the-- the other-- I just wanna say two other people very briefly. Rick Perry got me engaged about three years ago on this whole tenth amendment in a big, serious way. And I think that he is-- he h-- he has helped ignite a fire that is gonna change America. And Rick Santorum's consistency and courage on Iran has been a hallmark of why, if we do survive, it will be in part because of people like Rick who've had the courage to te-- tell the truth about the Iranians for a long time. (APPLAUSE) RON PAUL: 22:45:43:00 Well, I have learned that you should never give up on your opposition. Because if you're persistent, (LAUGH) and you present your case, they will come your way. So Rick, I appreciate it. (LAUGHTER) Rick, I appreciate it. (UNINTEL) appreciate it. You're open to the federal reserve. That's wonderful. But I-- I work from the assumption that freedom brings people together. 22:46:04:00 And if you understand freedom, it's based on tolerance and nonviolence. So if it's tolerance, it should be bringing all kinds of people together and that's following our Constitution. And we shouldn't be fighting among ourselves. Because we shouldn't be fighting in Washington if we all take the same oath of office. Where does the fight come from? Somebody is messin' up somewhere. (LAUGHTER) So-- so I say that with persistence, I think that we can all prevail and come up with the right answers. (APPLAUSE) 22:46:33:00 (OFF-MIC CONVERSATION) MICHELE BACHMANN: 22:46:36:00 Well, I would agree with everything that's been said here tonight. But I would also add again, someone that I mentioned a little bit earlier and that was Herman Cain. Herman Cain, I think when he brought up the 999 plan, and that you can't have a debate without saying "999" in the debate, I think one thing that he showed us is the power of being very plain spoken. 22:46:58:00 And also reducing something to a very simple level so people get it. And people were very excited about that plan. Because they could understand what that meant. And I think that's a challenge for every one of us; 'cause a lotta times, you can end up sounding and talking like a big bureaucrat in Washington. People don't want that. They don't want Washington. They want outside of Washington. And rightfully so. That's why I think in this race, I'm-- I'm the proven consistent conservative and I'm gonna go with win-win-win rather than 999. DIANE SAWYER: 22:47:32:00 Well again, we are at the end of the (APPLAUSE) time agreed upon by all of you, the candidates. And we thank you so much and we thank the people of Iowa, 24 days the voting begins. GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS: 22:47:42:00 That's the time for us. We're gonna be back with our political team for their independent analysis. We're hearing lots of opinions on Yahoo and Twitter and Facebook. We'll get to that in just a minute. (MUSIC) ANNOUNCER: 22:47:52:00 Much more to come as ABC's live coverage of the Iowa Republican Party Debate continues. (APPLAUSE) * * *END OF TRANSCRIPT* * *
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CAMPAIGN 2012 / ABC REPUBLICAN DEBATE CLEAN SD ABC News IOWA REPUBLICAN DEBATE FINAL TRANSCRIPT Michele Bachmann, RICK SANTORUM, Mitt Romney, Rick Perry, Ron Paul, Newt Gingrich ANCHORED BY George Stephanopoulos and Diane Sawyer Media outlets who use this material must credit the ABC News/Yahoo News debate co-sponsored by WOI-TV, The Des Moines Register and Drake University. DIANE SAWYER: 21:01:31:00 And a good evening to all of you welcome to Iowa, welcome to Drake University as the presidential voting draws near, the time is coming. And the political team of ABC News has been out in force throughout this state. And we just wanna say to the people of Iowa, we are endlessly struck by how seriously you take your role as first in line for the vote. GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS: 21:01:52:00 Every four years first. DIANE SAWYER: 21:01:53:00 That is true. And it's 24 days now and counting until the voting begins in the caucuses. And-- and it's at the time for closing arguments, so let us introduce the presidential candidates from the Republican party for the United States of America here at the debate tonight. 21:02:13:00 Former Senator Rick Santorum of Pennsylvania, Governor Rick Perry of Texas, former Governor Mitt Romney of Massachusetts (AUDIENCE WHOOP), former Speaker of the House Newt Gingrich of Georgia (AUDIENCE WHOOP), Texas Congressman Ron Paul, (APPLAUSE) and Congresswoman from Minnesota, Michele Bachmann. (APPLAUSE) Thank you all. 21:02:45:00 Before we begin if we can just one note, because George and I have been talking and all of us have been talking to many of you about what it takes to run for the presidency in this country right now. And we are talking about the determination, the physical stamina, the road you travel, the miles you travel and the sacrifices your families make as you do it. So we thought maybe at the end of this year-- the-- the end of this road does approach, we could all just salute your commitment to the presidential race and to democracy in this country. We salute you. (APPLAUSE) GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS: 21:03:38:00 The rules of the debate are pretty straightforward, the candidates have negotiated them, agreed to them. They're gonna forgo opening statements and then they will give, they've agreed, one minute responses to questions from Diane and me, 30 seconds for rebuttal to those. And we wanna show everybody at home that the candidates can see as well, this clock right here. And we'll shift from green to yellow to red over the course of the allotted time. 21:04:01:00 The audience here at Drake was chosen by the Iowa Republican Party, and all of you at home can follow on ABCNews.com and Yahoo.com. You can even join the discussion by downloading Yahoo's Enter Now app on your iPhone, and with that you can actually pitch in with opinions during this debate. DIANE SAWYER: 21:04:17:00 So it is time to begin. And people are telling us that they do feel it's time to choose. And the number one issue on which they're going to choose, jobs in America. And we would like to hear from all of you in this opening round. And the question is this: what is your distinguishing idea, distinguishing, from all of the others on this stage, about how to create jobs in this create, how to bring jobs back from overseas. And if you will, how many jobs do you think you can create and how long will that take? And Speaker Gingrich, will you lead us off? NEWT GINGRICH: 21:04:53:00 Well, I think that there's a clear record, I worked with Ronald Reagan in the early '80s and his recovery program translated into today's population of about 25 million new jobs in a seven-year period. As Speaker of the House, I worked with-- President Clinton and he followed with a very similar plan. 21:05:08:00 And we ended up with about 11 million new jobs in a four-year period. Went down to 4.2% unemployment. Starts very simply, taxes, lower taxes, less regulation, an American energy plan, and actually be positive with our people to create jobs. The opposite of the Obama plan, which is higher taxes, more regulation, no American energy, and attack people who create jobs with class warfare. 21:05:30:00 So I think there are a number of steps you can take. I would start with zero capital gains, hundreds of billions of dollars would pour into the country, I'd go to 12.5% corporate tax rate, that would bring in at least $700 billion in repatriated money back from overseas. I would then go to 100% expensing for all new equipment-- abolish the (UNINTEL) news-- write it off in one year, and I'd abolish the death tax penalty. Those steps would begin to dramatically create jobs. DIANE SAWYER: 21:05:55:00 And I want to turn to Governor Romney, if I can. Because you've given a number and you've given a time frame, 11.5 million jobs in four years, aiming for six percent-- unemployment rate at the end of the first time. What is the distinguishing idea to do that? MITT ROMNEY: 21:06:12:00 Well, having spent my life in the private sector, I understand where jobs are created. They're not created in government, they're not created in Washington. They're created on Main Streets and streets all over America. And to help make America the most attractive place in the world for investment, for new enterprise, for entrepreneurs and for job growth, there's seven things you have to do. There's not just one, there's seven. 21:06:34:00 One, make sure that our employer tax rates are competitive with other nations. They're not now. We're the highest in the world. Number two, get regulators and regulations to recognize their job is not to burden the-- the private enterprise system, but to encourage it. Number three, to have trade policies that make sense for America, not just for the people with whom we trade. 21:06:55:00 This president has not done that. And China, that's been cheating, has to be cracked down on. Number four, we have to have energy policies that take advantage of our extraordinary energy resources. Number five, the rule of law, and the Boeing-- effort on the part of the N.L.R.B. violated that. Number six, grade institutions to create human capital, and number seven, finally a government that doesn't spend more money than it takes in. DIANE SAWYER: 21:07:17:00 And Congressman Paul, a number as a time frame and an idea. RON PAUL: 21:07:24:00 My-- approach is slightly different. Where I think all for less taxes and less regulations, we recognize this. But I emphasize the fact that you have to know why we have a recession, and why we have unemployment before you can solve the problem. And the re-- the financial bubbles are created by excessive credit and stimulation by the Federal Reserve. And then you have bubbles and you have to have a correction. 21:07:46:00 The-- this stimulus creates es-- excessive debt and malinvestment. As long as you don't correct that and you maintain the debt and the malinvestment, you can't get back to economic growth again. Unfortunately, so far what we have done, is we have not liquidated the debt, we have dumped the debt on the American people through TARP funding and-- and as well as the Federal Reserve. 21:08:08:00 So the debt is dumped on the people. And what did we do? We bailed out the people that were benefiting during the formation of the bubble. So as long as we do that, we're not gonna have economic growth. We-- you did the same thing in the Depression, the Japanese are doing it right now, so it's time we liquidate the debt and look at monetary policy. And then, of course, lower taxes. And I would like to-- do in the first year, cut $1 trillion, 'cause that is the culprit, big spending and big government. DIANE SAWYER: 21:08:35:00 I wanna come back to those of you with another direct question of whether there is a number of jobs that can be created and a time frame you can tell the American people you can do it in. But I want to turn to Governor Perry for your distinguishing idea. RICK PERRY: 21:08:49:00 Yeah, the distinguishing mark is-- a tax policy that puts a flat tax in place of-- 20%. And you-- as they've said, you get rid of the regulatory burden that's killing people. And I have a record of doing that as the governor of the state of Texas over the last 11 years. We created over a million jobs in that state while America lost over two million jobs. 21:09:10:00 So there's a very clear blueprint of how to make this work. But I wanna talk about one other issue, and-- and Congressman Paul touched on it. And it's this idea, I can-- I can on a map diagram the problem that we've got in America today. And it d-- it's this direct line between Washington D.C. and Wall Street. And it's the corruption that's gone on. It's the idea of TARP. It's the idea of $7.7 trillion that we didn't even know was being put into these peoples and these banks. 21:09:39:00 That's what Americans are really upset with. And it's gonna take an outsider who can come in to put in the model of taxes and regulation. And-- and be able to balance that budget by the year 2020 with 18% of G.D.P. That's what the American people want, and an outsider like Rick Perry is gonna do that. DIANE SAWYER: 21:09:59:00 All right, Congresswoman Bachmann? MICHELE BACHMANN: 21:10:01:00 Well-- one of our former competitors was Herman Cain and he always reminded us of the 9-9-9 plan. And what I would like to do is have the Win-Win-Win plan. And the way that we can do that is first addressing the tax code. I'm a former federal tax lawyer. And that literally, we will create millions of dollars if we abolish the tax code and embrace a pro-growth policy not only by lowering the rates for businesses, but by individuals as well. 21:10:28:00 And making it a tax code that applies fairly and the same to all Americans. That's very important. And something else I wanna do with my tax code policy is make sure that everyone pays something. Because today, 47% of the American people pay nothing in federal income tax. Everyone benefits by the country, they need to pay. But also, one of my "Win" points is with American energy production. 21:10:50:00 If we legalize American energy, we'll create 1.4 million jobs in just a few years' time. And here's something we-- else that we can do under the "Win" plan. We can cut government bureaucracy, which is ObamaCare. N.F.I.B. tells us, that's the small business agency, that we will lose 1.6 million jobs over five years if we keep ObamaCare. I wanna-- I am committed to repealing ObamaCare, Dodd-Frank, cutting out the E.P.A., and we'll save millions of jobs if we do that. DIANE SAWYER: 21:11:23:00 Senator Santorum? RICK SANTORUM: 21:11:24:00 Well, I was just down in Fremont County, which is down in the far southwest corner of the state, and they just lost about, a couple hundred jobs at a ConAgra plant down there. And Governor Branstad and Lieutenant Governor Reynolds understand, that's why they asked us to have a forum here in Pella a few weeks ago on manufacturing. 21:11:40:00 They understand that the heartland of America is suffering because the manufacturing economy of this country continues to go down. We used to have 21% of people employed in this country in manufacturing, it's now nine. And it hurts disproportionately small town and rural America. So what I learned from traveling around Iowa is we had to get a plan together that'll revitalized manufacturing. 21:11:58:00 So I took the corporate tax, not the 12%. I zeroed it out for all manufacturers. We want manufacture, we want "Made in the U.S.A." to be the moniker under my administration. We want an administra-- we want-- to put a platform together that's gonna repeal regulations that are crushing our-- our b-- manufacturers and businesses. I'll repeal, one thing a president can do, he can't pass a law, but he can repeal regulations. 21:12:18:00 And Barack Obama has given us-- a bevy of regulations that need to be repealed, starting with a lot of our energy regulations that driving up our energy costs. That's another part of d-- of the plan, is to-- to make sure we have lower electricity rates, that we have oil and gas drilling going on here, so manufacturing can afford to be here. You put together that plan, we will get-- not only revitalize the economy, we'll-- we'll take care of an area of the ec-- of this country that has suffered in-- in recent times. And that's rural and small-town America. DIANE SAWYER: 21:12:47:00 I just wanna point out, I think that Governor Romney is the only one who actually gave a four-year, first-term number, which was again, 11.5 million jobs. Wondered if anyone else wanted to come in with a four-year, first-term promise for the American people. RICK SANTORUM: 21:13:04:00 I'm not-- MALE VOICE #2: 21:13:05:00 Well-- RICK SANTORUM: 21:13:05:00 --I-- I-- I-- I'm not gonna make a promise, because I don't believe you s-- I don't believe that government can sit there and-- and-- and from the top down dictate how many jobs are here. What we can do is we can create an atmosphere for businesses to thrive. And we know what that means. Less regulation, where-- a regulation that works for-- for-- for businesses, taxation that makes us competitive, a litigation environment that makes us competitive. 21:13:26:00 You create the platform. You create the-- you create that petri dish, you'll get lots of things growing there. And I don't need-- some government bean counter to tell us we've got a right-- right program to be able to c-- create jobs in this country. DIANE SAWYER: 21:13:38:00 I wanna move on if I can, to another question which represents some of the urgent and tough choices presidents have to make, because this one is coming up soon, December 31st. And it is the payroll tax cut. And as we know, the payroll tax cut, which funds the Social Security-- fund in this country is part of the argument, part of the debate, part of the consideration about the economy in this country right now. 21:14:07:00 And-- by some estimates, if this tax cut expires on December 31st, it could add as much as $1,000 to the tax burden of American working families. And I know you are divided down the middle, if I can turn to you, Congresswoman Bachmann, and we know that you are a tax attorney, and-- you're familiar with these issues. Should this tax cut go? MICHELE BACHMANN: 21:14:32:00 Well, I-- this tax shouldn't-- cut shouldn't have been put in the first place, the payroll tax extension, because last December, I fought against this. And I encouraged my colleagues not to go down this road. This is President Obama's plan, a temporary gimmick, not permanent solution. That's what the business community is looking for. 21:14:52:00 That's where real jobs will be created. The reason why this is so detrimental to the economy as well is that this blew a hole, in other words, it took away $111 billion away from the Social Security Trust Fund. This is a very real issue for senior citizens, because we have to pay the Social Security checks that are going out. 21:15:13:00 I'm completely different from b-- Barack Obama on this issue. I don't agree with Barack Obama. We have candidates on this stage that are standing with Barack Obama on this issue. But this year alone, it-- this will also cost the Social Security Trust Fund another $112 billion. And we don't have enough money this year in the Social Security Trust Fund to put out those checks. 21:15:37:00 Which means, we have to go to the General Treasury to get the money. And trust me, when you open the door to the General Treasury, the only thing that comes out are moths and feathers. There's nothing in there. So we have to recognize, we can't spend money that we don't have. And that's what Barack Obama's trying to do. Temporary gimmicks, not permanent solutions-- DIANE SAWYER: 21:15:56:00 But (UNINTEL) is a decision that does have to be made in three weeks. And Governor Romney, you have said it's a "temporary Band-Aid," but you have indicated that you are in favor of keeping it. So how do you differ from Congresswoman Bachmann? Is it worth it? MITT ROMNEY: 21:16:12:00 Well, I don't wanna raise taxes on people-- particularly people in the middle class that are suffering right now under the Obama economy. It's a temporary tax-- cut, and it'll help people in a d-- very difficult time. But-- but let's-- let's recognize, this is just a Band-Aid. 21:16:26:00 The extraordinary thing is, we have a president who's been in office three years with a fiscal crisis and a jobs crisis. The-- these unemployment numbers we're seeing, they're not just statistics, they're real people. They're young people that can't start their lives, can't go to college, they're people in their 50s that ex-- expected to be in their big earning years, and they're not gonna be able to-- to have the-- the kind of future they hope for. 21:16:47:00 And-- and this is a president who has not, at this stage, put forward a plan to get this economy going again. All he does is talk about little Band-Aids here and there throwing gasoline on a fire, on a few embers. The right thing to do is to talk about how he's gonna make America competitive again. I spoke with businesspeople all over the country and have been one myself for 25 years. 21:17:07:00 People aren't investing in America because this president has made America a less attractive place for investing and hiring than other places in the world. That's got to change. And it's a shame that we've got a president who thinks that being hands-on in the economy means working on his golf cred. You know, the-- the-- the right course for America is to have a president who understands the economy and will make that his-- his focus and put in place a plan to get this economy going. GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS: 21:17:31:00 I wanna grab that-- this conversation, but-- but very quickly, I believe Speaker Gingrich is also for extending the payroll taxes and so is Congressman Paul, Governor Perry, I believe you're against it-- some are so tur-- RICK PERRY: 21:17:40:00 Very much so. GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS: 21:17:41:00 Yeah, you're the only one I-- what is your position on it? RICK PERRY: 21:17:44:00 Is there a Social Security Trust Fund and-- or not? And is the Social Security system gonna be funded by payroll taxes or not? And the President of the United States runs around and talks about how Republicans don't care about Social Security and how they're gonna-- they're gonna rip apart the Social Security system, and he's the one defunding the Social Security system. 21:18:00:00 We're either gonna have a serious debate on how to fix Social Security, and we're not gonna do it by taking resources away from Social Security to pay benefits. So I'm-- I'm all for tax cuts, I-- I mean, I'll welcome the president to sit down with-- Republicans in Congress to work on a tax cut that's gonna create growth in the economy. But to-- to take the Social Security Trust Fund that is-- that is so sacrosanct to the Democrats when it comes for election time. 21:18:23:00 And then to use that as a tax and then try to beat up Republicans for-- for not supporting the tax cut is-- is absurd. You either care about Social Security and you wanna fund it, or you don't. GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS: 21:18:34:00 So it's very divided. Three and three, Congressman Paul, 30 seconds rebuttal, Senate-- 21:18:37:00 (OVERTALK) RON PAUL: 21:18:38:00 Well-- well I want to-- extend the tax cut, because if you don't, you raise the taxes. But I wanna pay for it. And it's not that difficult. In my proposal, in my budget, I wanna cut hundreds of billions of dollars from overseas. The trust fund is gone. But how are we gonna restore it? We have to quit the spending. We have to quit this being the policemen of the world. 21:18:55:00 We don't need another war in Syria and another war in Iran. Just get rid of the embassy in Baghdad. We're pretending we're comin' home from Baghdad. We built an embassy there that cost a billion dollars and we're putting 17,000 contractors in there, pretending our troops are coming home. I could save-- 21:19:10:00 (GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS: UNINTEL) RON PAUL: 21:19:11:00 --and we don't have to raise taxes on Social Security-- on the-- on the-- on the-- on the tax-- 21:19:17:00 (OVERTALK) GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS: 21:19:17:00 As I said, I do wanna broaden this out, and all of you have been debating for the past several months-- two big questions for this nomination fight. Who has the most consistent conservative candidate among you, and which of you is best able to defeat President Obama? And Governor Romney, Speaker Gingrich crystallized his argument a couple of weeks ago. He said, and I quote, "I'm a lot more conservative than Mitt Romney, and a lot more electable than anyone else." (LAUGH) I know you don't agree with that thought. (LAUGH) MITT ROMNEY: 21:19:44:00 Well, of course I don't agree with that. (LAUGHTER) I don't think most people agree with that. Speaker Gingrich has been in government for a long time and we can look at his record, we can look at my record. But really, this is more about-- about us talking about what we believe. And w-- and whether we can lead the country at a time when-- when we need to restore the kind of values that make America the greatest nation on Earth. 21:20:05:00 We have in Washington a president who believes in a fundamental transformation of America into an entitlement society. Where the government takes for some from some and gives to everybody else. And the only people that do real well in that setting are the people in the government. This nation was founded on the principle of being a merit society, where education, hard work, risk taking, have lifted certain individual, and they have helped lift-- lift the entire nation. 21:20:28:00 That's what's going on today. And the reason I oughta be the nominee of our party is I believe I can take that message to our president and to the American people. And they'll say, "Mitt Romney understands the economy 'cause he's lived in it." I understand a merit-based society, I believe in the principles that made America the greatest nation on Earth. And Speaker Gingrich and I have a lot of places where we disagree, we'll talk about those-- GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS: 21:20:49:00 Why don't you name them? MITT ROMNEY: 21:20:49:00 What, places where we disagree? Let's see-- we can start with-- with his idea to-- to have-- a lunar colony that would mine-- minerals from the-- from the moon, I'm not in favor of spendin' that kinda money-- to do that. (LAUGHTER) He said that he would-- he would like to-- eliminate in some cases the child labor laws so that kids could clean schools. I don't agree with that-- that idea. 21:21:12:00 His plan in capital gains, to remove capital gains for people-- at the very highest level of income is different than mine. I'd-- I'd-- eliminate capital gains, interest, and dividends for people in middle income. So-- we have differences of viewpoint on-- on some issues. But-- but the real difference, I believe, is our backgrounds. I spent my life in the private sector. 21:21:31:00 I-- I understand how the economy works. And I believe that for Americans to-- to say goodbye to President Obama and elect a Republican, they need to have confidence that the person they're electing knows how to make this economy work again and create jobs for the American middle class. GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS: 21:21:47:00 Your response? NEWT GINGRICH: 21:21:49:00 (THROAT CLEAR) Just a second. You had four allegations, do I get four responses? GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS: 21:21:53:00 Take your time. (LAUGHTER) NEWT GINGRICH: 21:21:55:00 Okay. Let's start with the last one, let-- let's be candid. The only reason you didn't become a career politician is you lost to Teddy Kennedy in 1994. (LAUGHTER) MITT ROMNEY: 21:22:03:00 Now-- now wait a second, that-- (AUDIENCE BOOING) I mean you'll-- Okay, go ahead. GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS: 21:22:11:00 --you'll get another response, go ahead. MITT ROMNEY: 21:22:12:00 Okay. (LAUGH) NEWT GINGRICH: 21:22:14:00 Do I-- do I get to-- continue-- MITT ROMNEY: 21:22:15:00 Please, please. NEWT GINGRICH: 21:22:16:00 No, and I'm just saying, I've-- I looked at it, I thought, you know, I'm a citizen, I've served the country in many ways, you're a citizen, you served the country in many ways. But it's a bit much, you'da been a 17-year career politician by now, if you'd won. That's-- that's all I'm saying on that one. 21:22:29:00 Now number two, I'm proud of trying to find things that give young people a reason to study science and math and technology and telling them that some day in their lifetime, they could dream of going to the moon, they could dream of going to Mars. I grew up in a generation where the space program was real, where it was important, and where frankly it is tragic that NASA has been so bureaucratized, aims at you-- Iowa-- Iowa State's a perfect example. 21:22:53:00 Iowa State's doing brilliant things, attracting brilliant students. I wanna give them places to go and things to do. And I'm happy to defend the idea that America should be in space and should be there in an aggressive, entrepreneurial way. Third, as to schools, I think virtually every person up here worked at a young age. What I suggested was, kids oughta be allowed to work part-time in school, particularly in the poorest neighborhoods, both because they could use the money. 21:23:16:00 If you take one-half of the New York janitors who are unionized and paid more than the teachers, an entry-level janitor gets paid twice as much as an entry-level teacher. You take half of those janitors, you could give virtually-- you could give lots of poor kids a work experience in the cafeteria and the school library and-- and front office, and a lot of different things. 21:23:35:00 I'll stand by the idea, young people oughta learn how to work. Middle class kids do it routinely. We should give poor kids the same chance to pursue happiness. Finally (APPLAUSE) on-- finally on capital gains taxes I asked you about this at Dartmouth (?). I'm astonished, you're a businessman. You wanna create jobs. A $200,000 cap on or capital gains tax cut is lower than Obama. 21:23:59:00 Now you know if you really wanna create jobs, you wanna-- you wanna encourage the people who make more than $200,000 who actually have capital to invest the capital in the U.S. I'll stick with zero capital gains will create vastly more jobs than your proposal-- 21:24:13:00 (OVERTALK) GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS: 21:24:13:00 Governor Romney, your response, then I wanna bring in the others. MITT ROMNEY: 21:24:14:00 Yeah, yeah. My proposal actually does create 11.5 million jobs, and it does so by a higher-- a G.D.P. growth rate than we've seen over these last Obama years. And-- and in my view, the place that we could spend our precious tax dollars for a tax cut is on the middle class, that's been most hurt by the Obama economy. That's where I wanna eliminate taxes on interest dividends and capital gains. 21:24:35:00 And with regards to the idea that if I'da beaten Ted Kennedy I coulda been a career politician, that's probably true. If I would've been able to get in the NFL liked I hope when I was a kid, why, I woulda been a football star all my life too, (LAUGHTER) but-- but I-- but I-- (APPLAUSE) I spent-- I spent my life in the private sector. Losing to pl-- Teddy Kennedy was probably the best thing I coulda done for-- for preparing me for the job I'm seeking, because it-- it put me back in the private sector. I worked in the private sector, I learned lessons that are desperately needed in Washington. GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS: 21:25:07:00 I wanna bring-- MITT ROMNEY: 21:25:07:00 We don't need-- we don't need folks who are lifetime-- lifetime Washington people to-- to-- to get this country out of the mess it's in. We need people from outside Washington, outside K Street. And by the way, one more thing, to have kids work in the-- in the library and to-- and to help out in school and to clean the blackboards does not require changing our-- our-- our child labor laws in this country. We of course should encourage more kids to-- 21:25:29:00 (OVERTALK) GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS: 21:25:28:00 We will-- we will come back to that, I wanna bring Congressman Paul in on this, because-- Congressman, you've been running ads that are quite tough-- RON PAUL: 21:25:36:00 Quite what? GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS: 21:25:36:00 Quite tough on Speaker Gingrich here in Iowa this week, accusing him of quote, and this is a quote from your ad, "serial hypocrisy." Why do you think Speaker Gingrich is a hypocrite? RON PAUL: 21:25:48:00 Well, he's been on different positions, you know, on so many issues. You know, single payer-- he's taken some positions that are not conservative. He-- he supported the TARP funds. And-- the other-- really annoy-- should've (LAUGH) annoyed a lot of people, he received a lot of money from Freddie Mac. Now, Freddie Mac is essentially a government organization. 21:26:09:00 While he was earning a lot of money from Freddie Mac, I was fighting over a decade to try to explain to people where the housing bubble was coming from. So Freddie Mac is bailed out by the tax payers. So in a way, Newt, I think you probably (LAUGH) got some of our tax payer's money. They g-- they got taxed, and they got money on, and they're still getting bailed out. 21:26:28:00 But-- you're a spokesman for 'em and you received money for 'em, so I think-- I think this is-- something that-- the people oughta know about. But there's been many positions, and you have admitted many of the positions where you have changed positions. But-- you know, if you were lookin' for a consistent position, you know, I-- I think there's gonna be a little bit of trouble anybody competing with me on consistency. (LAUGHTER) (APPLAUSE) 21:26:52:00 (OFF-MIC CONVERSATION) NEWT GINGRICH: 21:26:56:00 Well, first of all, as you say in your own, normally in your own speeches, the housing bubble came from the Federal Reserve inflating the money supply. Now, that's the core of the housing bubble and I happen to be with you on auditing the Fed and on fund-- and frankly on firing Bernanke. Second, I was never a spokesman for any agency, I never did any lobbying for any agency. I offered strategic advice. I was in the private sector. And I was doing things (LAUGHTER) in the private sector. RON PAUL: 21:27:21:00 Oh come-- okay, okay. (LAUGHTER) (APPLAUSE) 21:27:24:00 (OVERTALK) RON PAUL: 21:27:25:00 --private sector. (LAUGH) NEWT GINGRICH: 21:27:25:00 And-- and when you're in the private sector, and you have a company and you offer advice like McKinsey does, like a bunch of other companies do, you're allowed to charge money for it. GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS: 21:27:35:00 All right-- NEWT GINGRICH: 21:27:35:00 Ca-- ca-- it's called free enterprise. RON PAUL: 21:27:37:00 It's the tax payer's money though, we had to bail these people out-- NEWT GINGRICH: 21:27:39:00 Well I was-- I'm not for bailing them out, in fact, I'm for breaking them up. GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS: 21:27:42:00 Let me bring Congresswoman Bachmann in on this, because you make similar accusations against Speaker Gingrich. You called him a "poster boy of crony capitalism." Did he answer your concerns? MICHELE BACHMANN: 21:27:51:00 Well, when you're talking about taking over $100 million, and when your office is on the Rodeo Drive of Washington D.C., which is K Street, and you're taking money to influence the outcome of legislation in Washington, that's the epitome of the establishment, that's the epitome of a consummate insider. But your question was, who's the proven con-- constitutional conservative in this race, and that would be me. 21:28:16:00 I'm 55 years old, I've spent 50 years in the real world as a private business woman living real life and-- and building a real business. But you have to take a look at the candidates that-- that are on the stage. You started out with Mitt Romney with Newt Gan-- Gingrich, asking them about whether or not they're the conservative in this race. 21:28:33:00 But you have to take a look. You-- when you look at Newt Gingrich, for 20 years, he's been advocating for the individual mandate in healthcare. That's-- that's longer than Barack Obama. Or if you look at Mitt Romney as the governor of Massachusetts, he's the only governor that put into place socialized medicine. No other governor did. Our nominee has to stand on a stage and debate Barack Obama and be completely different. 21:28:59:00 I led 40,000 Americans to Washington D.C., to the Capitol, to fight ObamaCare. I didn't advocate for it. If you look at-- at-- at Newt/Romney, they were for ObamaCare principles. If you look at Newt/Romney, they were for cap and trade. If you look at Newt/Romney, they were for the illegal immigration problem. And if you look at (LAUGH) Newt/Romney, they were for the $700 billion bailout. And you just heard Newt/Romney is also with Obama on the issue of the payroll extension. GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS: 21:29:31:00 Okay. MICHELE BACHMANN: 21:29:32:00 So if you want a difference, Michele Bachmann is the proven conservative. It's not Newt/Romney. GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS: 21:29:37:00 You threw-- you threw a lot out there. (APPLAUSE) So let's get both-- both of them a chance to respond, Speaker Gingrich, you go first, because you were in there twice-- also on r-- on-- Romney, and then-- NEWT GINGRICH: 21:29:46:00 Okay-- those four points-- GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS: 21:29:47:00 --Senator Romney, right go ahead. NEWT GINGRICH: 21:29:48:00 Well, Michele, you know, a lot of what you say just isn't true, period. I have never-- I have-- I oppose cap and trade, I testified against it, the same day that Al Gore testified for it. I helped defeat it in the Senate through American solutions. It is simply untrue. I fought against ObamaCare at every step of the way. I did it with-- the Center for Health Transformation was actively opposed, we actively campaigned against it. 21:30:12:00 You know, I think it's important for you, and the-- this is a fair game, and everybody gets to-- to-- to pick fights. It's important that you be accurate when you say these things. Those are not true. And most of the money I made, frankly, I made in ways that are totally-- had nothing to do with anything you've described. I did no lobbying, no representation. And frankly, my-- my speech-- my-- my speech money and other things I did, they had nothing to do with that. 21:30:36:00 It was a lot larger source of income. So, you know, I've had 24 books and I've had 13 New York Times best-sellers. Now-- that was not people who wanted influence running around buying my books. I know that doesn't fit your model, it happens to be true. MICHELE BACHMANN: 21:30:48:00 Can I respond? (APPLAUSE) GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS: 21:30:49:00 Thirty seconds, then Governor Romney. MICHELE BACHMANN: 21:30:51:00 Well you'd have to go back to 1993 when Newt first advocated for the individual mandate in healthcare, and as recently as May of this year, he was still advocating for the individual mandate in healthcare. And Governor Romney sent his team to the White House to meet with President Obama to teach them how to spread the RomneyCare model across the nation. That's why I say, Newt/Romney, you've got to have our nominee as someone who is a stark, distinct difference with President Obama. 21:31:22:00 Who can go toe to toe and hold him accountable. President Obama knows me in Washington D.C. I've taken him on on issue after issue. Our nominee has to be willing to not agree with Barack Obama the-- on these issues, but stand 180° opposite of all the candidates on this stage I've been fighting President Obama for every year that I've been there, and I've taken him on. And I will take him on in the debate and defeat him. GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS: 21:31:48:00 Governor Romney. (APPLAUSE) MITT ROMNEY: 21:31:51:00 I know Newt Gingrich. And Newt Gingrich is a friend of mine. But, he and I are not clones, I promise. (LAUGH) That-- that is not the case. So this Newt Gingrich thing, we gotta get that out of our mind altogether-- Newt and Romney thing, sorry. Let-- let me say this about-- about health care. One, I didn't send a team of anybody to meet with Barack Obama. I wish he'd have given me a call. I wish when he was putting together his health care plan, he'd have had the courtesy and-- and perhaps the judgment to say, "Let me-- let me talk to a governor. Let's talk to somebody who's dealt with a real problem that-- that understands this topic," and get on the phone. 21:32:23:00 I'd have said (BACKGROUND VOICE), "Mr. President, you're going down a very, very bad path. Do not continue going down that path because what you're gonna do is you're gonna raise taxes on the American people. You're gonna cut Medicare. Let's not forget, only one president has ever cut Medicare for seniors in this country, and it's Barack Obama. We're gonna remind him of that time and time again. 21:32:41:00 And finally, the plan we put in place in Massachusetts, it deals with the 8% of our people who didn't have insurance. The 92% of people who did have insurance, nothing changes for them. If I'm President of the United States, we're gonna get rid of ObamaCare and return, under our constitution, the 10th Amendment, the responsibility and care of health care to the people in the states. GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS: 21:33:01:00 I wanna bring Governor Perry-- (APPLAUSE) you've heard this argument, I wonder which side you come down on. RICK PERRY: 21:33:08:00 Yeah, well, I-- I'm-- I'm stunned, 'cause-- the fact of the matter is, you know, Michele kinda hit the nail on the head when we talked about the individual mandate. Both of these gentlemen have been for the-- individual mandate. And I'm even more stunned, Mitt, that you said you wished you could've talked to Obama and said-- "You're goin' down the wrong path," because that is exactly the path that you've taken Massachusetts. The Beacon Hill study itself said that there's been 18,000 jobs lost because of that individual mandate. 21:33:38:00 The study continued to say that there've been over $8 billion of additional cost. I wish you coulda had the conversation with the people of Massachusetts a long time before that phone call would've been with-- the-- President Obama, 'cause the fact of the matter is, you're for individual mandate. And you can get up and stand-- up and talk about, you know, "I'm against it now. And I'm gonna-- rescind ObamaCare. I'm gonna repeal ObamaCare." But the record is very clear. You and Newt were for individual mandates. And that is the problem. And the question is then, "Who can stand on the stage, look Obama in the eye, and say, 'ObamaCare is an abomination for this country,'?" And I'm gonna do that. And I can take that fight to him and win that fight. DIANE SAWYER: 21:34:23:00 Governor Romney, (INAUDIBLE). (APPLAUSE) MITT ROMNEY: 21:34:27:00 A good deal of what you said was right. Some was wrong. Speaker Gingrich said that he was for a federal individual mandate. That's something I've always opposed. What we did in our state was designed by the people in our state for the needs of our state. You believe in the 10th Amendment. I believe in the 10th Amendment. The people of Massachusetts favor our plan three to one. They don't like it, they can get rid of it. (COUGH) That's the great thing about (COUGH) a democracy, where individuals under the 10th Amendment have the power to craft their own solutions. 21:34:52:00 By the way, the-- the problem with President Obama's plan is it does three things we didn't in my opinion, among others. I understand we disagree on this. But among others, one, it raises taxes by $500 billion. We (NOISE) didn't raise taxes. Two, it cuts Medicare by $500 billion. We didn't do that, either. And three, it doesn't just deal with the people that don't have insurance. It's a 2,000-page bill that takes over health care for all the American people. It is wrong for health care. It's wrong for the American people. It's unconstitutional. And I'm absolutely adamantly opposed to ObamaCare. 21:35:25:00 And if I'm the President of the United States, I will return to the people and the states the power they have under the constitution and they can craft the solutions they think are best for them. And my view-- you had a mandate in your state. You mandate that girls at 12 years old had to get a vaccination for-- for a sexually-transmitted disease. So it's not like we have this big difference on mandates. We had different things we mandated over. I-- I wanted to give people health insurance. You want to get young girls-- a vaccine. There are differences. DIANE SAWYER: 21:35:51:00 Governor, if we could ask Speaker Gingrich to respond. NEWT GINGRICH: 21:35:54:00 Yeah, I-- I just wanna make one point that's historical. (CLEARS THROAT) In 1993, in fighting HillaryCare, virtually every conservative saw the mandate as a less-dangerous future than what Hillary was trying to do. The Heritage Foundation was a major advocate of it. After HillaryCare disappeared it became more and more obvious that mandates have all sorts of problems built into them. People gradually tried to find other techniques. I frankly was floundering, trying to find a way to make sure that people who could afford it were paying their hospital bills while still leaving an out so libertarians to not buy insurance. And that's what we're wrestling with. It's now clear that the mandate, I think, is clearly unconstitutional. But, it started as a conservative effort to stop HillaryCare in the 1990s. GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS: 21:36:38:00 Governor Perry. RICK PERRY: 21:36:38:00 I'm-- I'm-- (THROAT CLEARING) I'm listenin' to you, Mitt, and I'm hearin' you say all the right things. But I read your first book and it said in there that your mandate in Massachusetts which should be the model for the country. And I know it came out of-- of the-- the reprint of the book. But, you know, I'm just sayin', you were for individual mandates, my friend. MITT ROMNEY: 21:37:00:00 You know what? You've raised that before, Rick. And-- you're simply wrong. RICK PERRY: 21:37:02:00 It-- it-- it was true then. (CHUCKLE) It's true now. MITT ROMNEY: 21:37:04:00 That-- now, this-- Rick, I'll-- I'll tell you what. (CHUCKLE) 10,000 bucks-- (APPLAUSE) $10,000 bet? RICK PERRY: 21:37:12:00 I'm not in the bettin' business, but, okay. MITT ROMNEY: 21:37:14:00 Oh, I-- I'll-- RICK PERRY: 21:37:15:00 I'll show you the-- I'll-- I'll-- I'll show you the book. MITT ROMNEY: 21:37:16:00 I wrote-- I've got the book. And-- RICK PERRY: 21:37:18:00 And we'll show-- (LAUGH) MITT ROMNEY: 21:37:20:00 And I-- and I-- and I wrote the book. And I haven't-- and chapter seven is a section called The Massachusetts Model. And I say as close as I can quote, I say, "In my view, each state should be able to-- to fashion their own program for the specific needs of their distinct citizens." And then I go on to talk about the states being the laboratories of democracy. And we could learn from one another. I have not said, in that book, first edition or the latest edition, anything about our plan being a national mo-- model imposed on the nation. 21:37:49:00 The right course for America, and I said this durin' the debates the last time around, I'll say it now and time again, is to let individual states-- this is a remarkable nation. This idea of federalism is so extraordinary. Let states craft their own solutions. Don't have ObamaCare put on us by the federal government. MICHELE BACHMANN: 21:38:07:00 George and Diane-- 21:38:07:00 (OVERTALK) MICHELE BACHMANN: 21:38:08:00 George and Diane, can I just say something? This is such an important issue. We have one shot to get rid of ObamaCare, that's it. It is 2012. Do we honestly believe that two men who've just stood on this stage and defended RomneyCare when it was put in place in Massachusetts and the individual mandate when he proposed it in 1993, are they honestly going to get rid of it in 2012? MITT ROMNEY/NEWT GINGRICH: 21:38:33:00 Yes. MICHELE BACHMANN: 21:38:34:00 This is going to be a very-- (LAUGH) but, I don't think so. (CHEERING) It's gonna be a very heavy lift. GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS: 21:38:41:00 I gotta get Senator Santorum in here. MICHELE BACHMANN: 21:38:42:00 It's gonna be a very heavy lift. GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS: 21:38:44:00 Senator. RICK SANTORUM: 21:38:45:00 This is not about what you say at a debate or what you say in a campaign when you're talking to audiences that you wanna get-- that you-- that you know what you wanna hear. Back in 1994 when they would-- I was running for the United States Senate and I did not support an individual mandate and I was a conservative, I supported something called Medical Savings Accounts that I drafted with John Kasich when I was in the House because I believe in bottom-up solving the problems in America, not top-down government solutions. 21:39:10:00 That's what I learned-- I actually learned it, some of it, in listening to some of your GOPAC tapes. But, you've strayed on that issue, as you have on others. The record is important. But what the question was about a consistent conservative, well, you can't talk about whether someone's consistent unless you look at their record. And I'd agree with Michele. I mean, I think Michele has been consistent in-- as-- as a consistent conservative. But, she's been fighting and losing. I fought and won. I was in the United States Senate and I fought and-- and passed Welfare Reform. It-- I was the principal author when I was in the United States House and was-- and-- and managed the bill on the floor of the United States Senate. 21:39:45:00 I was the-- leader on-- on pro-life issues and pro-family issues. And I fought those issues and endured tough debates and won. I went out and fought on na-- national security issues, conservative things like putting sanctions on Iran. And again, the consistent track record of being there in good times and in bad, and I think you heard the difference-- you're not gonna hear them talk about all the positions I took and flip-flopped on. I was there. I led. And I won. 21:40:12:00 And if you're lookin' for someone who can be a consistent conservative, and there's others on this platform, but who can lead the fight, win the issues, and plus, win in states that are important for us to win elections like Pennsylvania and-- GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS: 21:40:25:00 I-- I-- I'm tryin' to be-- we've tried to-- I'll-- I'll-- I'll risk using the word, we've tried to be liberal with the time. But, the time (LAUGH)-- (UNINTEL)close as we can. We-- and we are running up against a commercial break, but it did invoke you kinda swimming backwards, so 30 seconds to respond. MICHELE BACHMANN: 21:40:37:00 Well, you know, I think the important thing to know is that you fight and that you lead. And I led when I-- I was-- when I was in the United States Congress, we were in the minority. Nancy Pelosi wasn't interested in my pro-- pro-- pro-- growth policy on health care. But, I didn't sit on my hands. I saw what was happening to this country. Our country was going to lose because of socialized medicine. 21:41:00:00 And so I did everything I could, including bringing and leading 40,000 people to the Capitol to get the attention of the-- of the Congress to get rid of ObamaCare. As President of the United States, my proven consistent record will be that I will take on every special interest. I will take on K Street. And I will pre-lobby. And I'll make sure that I help elect 13 more Republican U.S. Senators so we have 60 senators in the Senate, a full complement in the House. And I won't rest until we repeal ObamaCare. You can take it to the bank. RICK SANTORUM: 21:41:35:00 But, if I can-- if I can res-- if I can respond to that, because she referenced that-- she referenced there (BACKGROUND VOICE) are differences between the two of us, I was in the minority in the House of Representatives, too. And along with Jim Nussle from here in Iowa, I-- we formed a-- a group called the Gang of Seven and we won. We exposed the House banking scandal. We overturned a huge scandal. We-- we sent the-- eventually sent the Chairman of the Ways and Means Committee, Dan Rostenkowski ended up in jail, because, no, we didn't just fight. But we fight and we figured out a way to win, even in the minority. DIANE SAWYER: 21:42:04:00 And we wanna thank all of you. And again, these are the rules that you set up. We wanna be fair. And we wanna hear everything you have to say. These issues are so important. But, it really does help if you stick to the rules that were agreed on. And we appreciate that. And if-- we could, when we come back, we're gonna tackle some other very big issues, immigration, big questions about foreign policy, and also one about states and family values. And that will be when we come back. (MUSIC) ANNOUNCER: 21:42:32:00 You're watching live ABC News coverage of the Iowa Republican Party debate. (MUSIC) 21:42:41:00 (COMMERCIAL BREAK) MITT ROMNEY: 21:44:48:00 (MUSIC) The real difference, I believe, is our backgrounds. I spent my life in the private sector. I understand how the economy works. And I believe that for Americans to-- to say goodbye to President Obama and elect a Republican, they need to have confidence that the person they're electing knows how to make this economy work again and create jobs for the American middle class. GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS: 21:45:07:00 Your response? NEWT GINGRICH: 21:45:10:00 (CLEARS THROAT) Just a second. We had four allegations. Do I get four responses? GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS: 21:45:14:00 Take your time. (THROAT CLEARING) (CHUCKLE) NEWT GINGRICH: 21:45:15:00 Okay. Let's-- let's start with the last one. Let's be candid. The only reason you didn't become a career politician is you lost to Teddy Kennedy in 1994. (BOOS) MITT ROMNEY: 21:45:24:00 Now-- now wait a second, now wait a second. That's-- that was-- that was-- GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS: 21:45:31:00 That was-- you'll-- you'll get another response, go ahead. NEWT GINGRICH: 21:45:34:00 Do-- do I get to go ahead and continue? MITT ROMNEY: 21:45:35:00 Please, please. NEWT GINGRICH: 21:45:36:00 No, and I'm just saying-- MICHELE BACHMANN: 21:45:37:00 You want a difference, Michele Bachmann is a proven conservative. It's not Newt Romney. MALE VOICE: 21:45:42:00 You threw-- you threw a lot out there. (APPLAUSE) ANNOUNCER: 21:45:44:00 Back live from Des Moines, Iowa (INAUDIBLE). 21:46:09:00 (OFF-MIC CONVERSATION) ANNOUNCER: 21:47:56:00 Live from Drake University in Des Moines, Iowa, once again, Diane Sawyer and George Stephanopoulos. GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS: 21:48:04:00 We are back. It has been a rocking debate so far. And we want to get to another issue that you all talked about extensively in this campaign, and that is values, family, and faith. Governor Romney and Governor Perry, you both made it a feature of ads you ran in Iowa this week, which leads to this question from our partners at the Des Moines Register. And we're gonna show it up on the screen. "Should voters consider marital fidelity in making their choices for president?" And-- and Governor Perry, in South Carolina this week you said this is an important issue. Why? RICK PERRY: 21:48:35:00 Well-- it-- I said that-- not only did I make a vow to my wife, but I made a vow to God. And-- that's pretty heavy liftin' in my book. When I make a vow to God-- then-- I would suggest to you that's-- even stronger than a handshake in Texas. (APPLAUSE) GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS: 21:48:58:00 The question is-- is about its relevance to the presidential race. So, let me just follow up quickly. Do you think a candidate who breaks his marital vows is more likely to break faith with voters? RICK PERRY: 21:49:06:00 Well, you know, I-- I think the voters are wise enough to figure that one out. I've always kind of been of the opinion that-- if you cheat on your wife, you'll cheat on your business partner. So-- I think that-- issue of fidelity is-- important. I mean, it's-- it-- it's a characteristic of which people look at-- individuals, whether it's in their business lives or whether it's in their personal lives, or whether it's pickin' someone that-- served-- in public office for them. 21:49:32:00 Individuals who have been-- fidelit-- in-- in fidelity with-- with their spouse-- I think that sends a very powerful message. If you will cheat on your wife, if you will cheat on your spouse, then why wouldn't you cheat on your business partner or why wouldn't you cheat on anybody for that matter? GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS: 21:49:49:00 Senator Santorum, you ran this week, last Sunday, and you-- summed up your position of character counts. You said this is relevant as well. RICK SANTORUM: 21:49:57:00 I-- I think character issues do count. And I think-- all-- all of-- all of your record-- personal as well as political record is there-- for the public to look at. I would not say it's a disqualifier. I wouldn't go that far. I think people make mistakes and-- you are held accountable to those mistakes and-- the public can listen to-- the circumstances and-- and make their decision. 21:50:20:00 But certainly, it's a factor. And it-- and it should be a factor. You're electing a leader. You're electing someone that trust is everything, and particularly in this election. This election, the people of this-- of Iowa-- I hear this all the time. Who can we trust? And I-- I go out and talk about my record. I talk about the fact that I've been married 21 years and have seven children. 21:50:40:00 I talk about the fact that I'm-- I have a record of consistent-- and-- and conservative politics. I talk about-- you know, my past. I think that's important, and for the people to go and determine whether they're trustworthy enough to earn their support. GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS: 21:50:54:00 Congressman Paul, what's your view on this? RON PAUL: 21:50:56:00 You know, I think character is, obviously-- very important. I-- I don't think it should be necessary to have to talk about it. I think it should show through in the way we live. And I think it should show through in-- in a marriage. And I happen to have been married for 54 years and family person. But, I don't think we should have to talk about it. But, you know what? (UNINTEL) is-- every bit as important. It-- if your marriage vows are important, what about our oath of office? That's what really gets to me. 21:51:21:00 That's where you're really on the line as a public figure. And that's where I think a lot of people come up real short. Because there's many times that I have been forced to Congress because I take my oath very seriously. I am up sometimes, believe it or not, voting all by myself (CHUCKLE) thinking that, "Why aren't there people paying att-- why don't they read Article One, Section Eight?" You know, if-- if we took that oath of office seriously in Washington, we'd get rid of 80% of the government. 21:51:46:00 The budget would be balanced. We'd have sound money. And we would have prosperity. And we wouldn't be the policemen of the world. We wouldn't have a Federal Reserve System, and we wouldn't be invading the privacy of every single individual in this country with bills like the Patriot Act. We'd have a free society and a prosperous society. (APPLAUSE) GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS: 21:52:08:00 Governor Romney, you-- you chose to make your family and your faith-- the feature of your first ad here in Iowa this week. Why? MITT ROMNEY: 21:52:15:00 Well, actually-- the president, President Obama's PAC-- came out with an ad attacking me-- and said that I'm-- I'm not a person of core values, I'm not-- I don't have a core. And we said-- you know in my prior campaigns I've come out with ads that show who I am and why I've gotten in this race. And that relates to my family and my kids. I'm really concerned about America. I think the issue people have to concentrate on is-- is, "Who can lead America to a place where we-- we don't become a Greece or an Italy?" 21:52:41:00 Because, frankly, that's the path we're on. That's where we're going. Who can make sure that America's values, our merit-based society, continues to be the-- the hallmark of what allows our economy to create jobs? Who can make sure that it's good to be middle class in America again? Who can make sure that America is the job-creating engine it once w-- once was? Who can make sure that the kids going to school know that when they get outta school, they're gonna have a job waiting for them that meets the-- the-- the kinda skills that they've created? 21:53:06:00 I-- I believe I'm that person. And-- and part of my motivation for doing those things is I love this country, I love the values of this country, a-- and I wanna make sure that-- that my kids and my grandkids, and I have quite a few of them, 16, that they have an America that's as prosperous as the America that I've enjoyed and just as free. GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS: 21:53:23:00 I wanna get-- Congressman-- Congresswoman Bachmann and then Speaker Gingrich, you wrap this up. MICHELE BACHMANN: 21:53:28:00 Well, the founders spoke about this. And the question was asked, "What is it that we need to have in the president?" And they wrote in the Federalist Papers. They didn't look at wealth. They didn't look at education. They didn't look at position. (COUGH) They looked at just one issue. And it was, "What's the measure of a man? Or, what's the measure of a woman, in our case, for being the next president of the United States. Will they keep their word? Will they be a man or woman of integrity?" That's what they cared about. 21:53:55:00 That was more important than anything else. And I think-- here in Iowa, that's what I've seen. That is also what people care about. Who are you, really? What is your center? What's your core? What's your world view? What drives you? And so people want to know, "What's your faith?" I'm-- I'm a Christian. I'm-- I'm unashamed and unapologetic about that. I have a strong faith. I made a proclamation of my faith in Christ when I was 16. And I don't mind if people ask me those questions or ask me about my husband or our family. I'm happy to talk about that, because after all, people (COUGH) need to take the measure of the man or the measure of the woman when they make that decision. GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS: 21:54:32:00 Speaker Gingrich, what do voters need to know about this issue from your perspective? NEWT GINGRICH: 21:54:35:00 Well, (CLEARS THROAT) first of all, I think it is a real issue. And people have to look at the person whom they're gonna loan the presidency. And they have the-- they have the right to ask every single question. They have to have a feeling that this is a person that they can trust with the level of power we give to the presidency. And I think it's a very, very important issue. And I think people have to render judgment. In my case, I've said up-front openly I've made mistakes at times. I've had to go to God for forgiveness. I've had to seek reconciliation. But I'm also a 68-year-old grandfather. And I think people have to measure who I am now and whether I'm a person they can trust. And all I can tell you is that, you know, I am-- delighted at the way people have been willing to look at who I am, to look at what my record has been, and the amount of support we're getting from the American people and from all across the State of Iowa, the number of people who have supported-- the candidacy of real change and a record of real change. DIANE SAWYER: 21:55:27:00 And I'd like to turn now, if we can, to the issue of immigration. And so many people talk about it in their living room, talk about it around their dinner tables at night-- if I can. And can we just do one thing for the interest of time? Can we stipulate that every single person on this stage tonight has said the number one thing to do is secure the borders, secure the borders, secure the borders, secure the borders. You may have slightly different prescriptions to do it. But, we stipulate that, that that's what you all want to do first. 21:55:57:00 I'd like to turn, now, the question, the 11 million undocumented people in this country. And Speaker Gingrich, I'm gonna come back to you because you have talked about citizen review boards to review individual cases, that treated them in individual basis. You-- you've-- you mentioned the fact that someone who's been here 25 years, served the community, should get special consideration under this board. How many years is the threshold for your-- is it five years-- has served the community under the criteria that you've set out before, five years also a candidate? NEWT GINGRICH: 21:56:39:00 I think, first of all, that anybody you would apply to a-- the citizen review board idea came out of a selective service model. It was used as draft boards in World War II. We relied on the local citizens to render judgment about who oughta be deferred, who oughta be drafted. Did they have local knowledge? That's the starting point. 21:56:56:00 Second, I started wi-- with-- with cases that I think are very hard to-- to argue about. Someone who's been here 25 years, somebody who has been a good local citizen, may well belong to your church, has children and grandchildren in the United States, and I will just say flatly, I do not believe the people of the United States are gonna send the police in to rip that kinda person out and ship them outta this country, (COUGH) particularly because those are precisely the people that end up in churches as sanctuaries. 21:57:25:00 And I think we oughta be honest about that. I think most of the workers who are here who have no ties to us should go home immediately. I think we should make deportation dramatically easier. This is, I think frankly we oughta make English the official language of government. And we oughta have an effective guest worker program with very severe penalties for those employers who hire people illegally. DIANE SAWYER: 21:57:44:00 But, the Pew Center for Hispanic Center, as you know, has said that maybe 3.5 million people could come under the criteria that you laid out. NEWT GINGRICH: 21:57:53:00 I-- I don't think there's 3.5 million people who've been here 25 years. DIANE SAWYER: 21:57:57:00 But they're talking about people who have been here 15 years. 15 years. NEWT GINGRICH: 21:58:01:00 Well, I wasn't. They were. You used a number that doesn't relate to my proposal. DIANE SAWYER: 21:58:05:00 But, under the criteria that you have set out, do you have a threshold on the number of people you would consider before the review board? NEWT GINGRICH: 21:58:12:00 Well, I-- that's why you have the citizen review panel. The per-- the person has to have been here 25 years, have genuine ties to the community, be a good citizen, and have an American family sponsor them. And they still don't get citizenship. This is not amnesty. They get residency. And they pay a penalty in order to get residency. DIANE SAWYER: 21:58:30:00 Okay, I'm gonna turn it to k-- to Governor Romney because we heard Speaker Gingrich say we're not gonna round people up and deport them. And I think at one point-- you said something similar in a meeting at Bloomberg that-- that they're not going to be tracking everybody down and moving them out. And yet, to our colleague David Muir-- wanna try to clarify something. You said, "You seem to indicate that people should go back home to their country." And in some cases it may mean as much as five years if they get at the back of the line or more. Are you saying-- how many people should be sent back home to their countries? Should they be tracked down to establish who they are, sent back home to their country? MITT ROMNEY: 21:59:16:00 I-- I believe that any time that we start talking about a-- a form of amnesty, whether it's technically amnesty or not, when we start talking about how people have been able to come here and stay illegally for some period of time, that they're gonna be able to stay here permanently and become a permanent resident of the United States with-- with rights to our education system, our health care system, and so forth, we will then create another magnet that draws people into our country illegally. 21:59:41:00 So, the right course for us is to, once again, talk about what you described. Secure the border. Once we do that, we can start talking about the 11 million or whatever number that may be that are in the country illegally. My own view is those 11-- 11 million people should register the fact that they're here in the country. They should be given some transition period of time to allow them to-- settle their affairs and then return home and get in the-- in line at the back of the line with everybody else that wants to come here. 22:00:08:00 Don't forget, when we talk about-- about-- the difficulty of people going home, there are millions of people who-- many of whom have relatives here in this country who are in line, who want to come here. I want to bring people into this country who have skill, experience, family here who want to draw them in. I do not want to do something. (NOISE) I do not want to do something which encourages another wave of illegal immigration. So, from my view-- viewpoint, the key-- the key measure is this: No favoritism for permanent residency or citizenship for those that have come here illegally. DIANE SAWYER: 22:00:41:00 So, you've said all 11 million. If I could Governor Perry-- there is a case or there are a number of these cases of-- of people who have signed up for the military, the U.S. military, who have been undocumented but nonetheless go and sign up. What should happen with them? GOVERNOR RICK PERRY: 22:00:58:00 Well, let me-- address the issue that you asked from the start, and obviously securing that border is the-- is the key. And any of these conversations that we're having now are nothing more than intellectual-- discussions until you secure that border. 22:01:12:00 But if this country would simply enforce the laws that are already on the book, you think about all of the laws that we have that are already out there, laws that clearly saw-- that-- that, "Here are punishments," and, "Here's what will happen." If this country would simply enforce the laws that we have on the book-- I will tell you one thing: As the president of the United States, you will not see me sending my Justice Department to sue states like Arizona that are havin' to sovereign rights, I think, put in jeopardy by our Justice Department. 22:01:49:00 You will not see a catch and release program like this administration has today th-- where people who are caught who are illegally in this country, and because they haven't been (RUSTLING) caught in a violent situation, they're released. Released into the general population. That's the problem that we've got in this country. 22:02:11:00 I would suggest to you we spend time with the laws that we've got on the book being enforced, we'll have a substantial smaller number of people of which we're gonna have to make decisions about at that particular point in time. And then we can have a legitimate conversation about immigration reform. GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS: 22:02:29:00 I wanna change subjects now because-- (APPLAUSE) foreign policy was-- Speaker Gingrich caused something of a stir overnight in the Middle East with comments he made in interview with the Jewish channel in which he called the Palestinians an invented people. And-- I just wondered-- G-- Congressman Paul, if I can start with you: Do you agree with that characterization, that the Palestinians are an invented people? CONGRESSMAN RON PAUL: 22:02:52:00 N-- no, I don't agree with that. And that's just stirrin' up trouble. And I-- I believe in a non-interventionist foreign policy. I don't think we should get in the middle of these squabbles. But to go out of our way and say that so-and-so is not a real people? Technically and historically, yes-- you know, under the Ottoman Empire, the Palestinians didn't have a state, but neither did Israel have a state then too. 22:03:13:00 But this is how we get involved in so many messes. And I think it just fails on the side of-- practicing a little bit of diplomacy, getting ourselves (LAUGH) into trouble mentioning things that are unnecessary. The people in those regions should be dealing with these problems; we shouldn't be dealing with these things. 22:03:30:00 But-- historically, it-- it-- you know, under the Ottoman Empire, that i-- that is-- technically-- correct. But to make these decisions in deciding what the settlement's going to be should be the people that are involved. This idea that we can be the policemen of the world and settle all these disputes, I mean, soon we'll have to quit because we're flat out broke. But we-- we cannot continue to get into these issues like this and-- and-- and-- and getting ourselves into more trouble. GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS: 22:04:00:00 Speaker Gingrich, as I've said, this has caused quite a reaction in-- in the Middle East. The chief Palestinian negotiator, Sa-- Saeb Erekat, said, "Mark my words: These statements of Gingrich will be the ammunition and weapons of the bin Ladens and the extremists for a long, long time." SPEAKER NEWT GINGRICH: 22:04:13:00 How would he know the difference? Look from historic, George, simply. Is-- is what I said factually correct? Yes. Is it historically true? Yes. Are we in a situation where every day, rockets are fired into Israel while the United States, the current administration, tries to pressure the Israelis into a peace process? 22:04:33:00 Hamas does not admit the-- the right of Israel to exist, and says publicly, "Not a single Jew will remain." The Palestinian Authority ambassador to India said last month, "There is no difference between Fatah and Hamas. We both agree Israel has no right to exist." 22:04:50:00 Somebody oughta have the courage to tell the truth: These people are terrorists. They teach terrorism in their schools. They have textbooks that say, "If there are 13 Jews and nine Jews are killed, how many Jews are left?" We pay for those textbooks through our aid money. It's fundamentally-- time for somebody to have the guts to stand up and say, "Enough lying about the Middle East." GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS: 22:05:09:00 Governor Romney, (APPLAUSE) you just heard the Speaker say he was just telling the truth. Do you take any issue with that characterization of the Palestinians as an invented people? GOVERNOR MITT ROMNEY: 22:05:22:00 I-- I happen to agree with-- with most of what the speaker said, except by going down and saying the Palestinians are an invented people. That I think was a mistake on the speaker's part. I-- I think-- you-- you-- I think the speaker would probably suggest that as well. I-- I don't think we want to-- 22:05:35:00 (SPEAKER NEWT GINGRICH: UNINTEL) GOVERNOR MITT ROMNEY: 22:05:37:00 Maybe not. I-- (LAUGHTER) I think we're very wise to stand with our friends, Israel, and not get out ahead of them. This president decided he was gonna try and negotiate for Israel by sayin', "Let's go back to the '67 borders." That's not what Israel wanted to h-- hear. 22:05:51:00 They-- Israel does not want us to make it more difficult for them to sit down with the Palestinians. Ultimately, the Palestinians and the Israelis are gonna have to agree on how they're gonna settle the-- the differences between them. And the United States-- 22:06:02:00 (OVERTALK) GOVERNOR MITT ROMNEY: 22:06:03:00 --and the-- and the United States of America should not jump ahead of Bibi Netanyahu and say something that makes it more difficult for him to-- to do his job. My view is this: We stand with the Israeli people. We link arms with them. If we disagree with them, like this president has time and time again, we don't do it in public like he's done it, we do it in private. 22:06:21:00 And we let the Israeli leadership describe what they believe the right course is going forward. We don't negotiate for the Israeli people. We stand with the Israeli people, stand with our friends, and make it very clear: We are gonna t-- we're gonna tell the truth, but we're not gonna throw incendiary words into a-- a place which is-- a boiling pot when our friends the Israelis would probably say, "What in the world are you doin'?" GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS: 22:06:43:00 So there you have it, Mr. Speaker. He says this is gonna make life more difficult for the Israelis. SPEAKER NEWT GINGRICH: 22:06:47:00 The Israelis are getting rocketed every day. The-- we're not making life more difficult. The Obama administration's making life more difficult. The fact is, the Palestinian claim to a right of return is based on a historically false story. Somebody oughta have the courage to go all the way back to the 1921 League of Nations mandate for a Jewish homeland, point out the context in which Israel came into existence, and "Palestinian" did not become a common term until after 1977. This is a propaganda war in which our side refuses to engage. And we refuse to tell the truth when the other side lies. And you're not gonna win the long run if you're afraid to stand firm and stand for the truth. GOVERNOR MITT ROMNEY: 22:07:25:00 Of course you s-- of course you stand firm, and stand for the truth. But you don't speak for Israel. SPEAKER NEWT GINGRICH: 22:07:30:00 I didn't. GOVERNOR MITT ROMNEY: 22:07:30:00 If-- if-- if-- if Bibi Netanyahu wants to say what you said, let him say it. But our ally, b-- the-- the people of Israel, should be able to take their own positions and not have us negotiate for them. DIANE SAWYER: 22:07:41:00 I want to turn, if I can, to-- SPEAKER NEWT GINGRICH: 22:07:42:00 But can-- can I just say one last thing? Because I didn't speak for the people of Israel. I spoke as a historian who's looked at the world stage for a very long time. I've known Bibi since 1984. I feel quite confident an amazing number of Israelis found it nice to have an American tell the truth about the war they are in the middle of and the casualties they're taking and the people who surround them who say, "You do not have the right to exist, and we want to destroy you." GOVERNOR MITT ROMNEY: 22:08:04:00 I-- I've known-- I've-- (APPLAUSE) I've also known Bibi Netanyahu for a long time. We worked together at-- at Boston Consulting Group. And the last thing Bibi Netanyahu needs to have is not just a person who's an historian, but somebody who is also running for president of the United States, stand up and say things that create extraordinary tumult in-- in his neighborhood. DIANE SAWYER: 22:08:29:00 Congresswoman-- GOVERNOR MITT ROMNEY: 22:08:29:00 And I'm president of the United States, I will exercise sobriety, care, stability. And make sure that in a setting like this, anything I say that can affect a place with-- with rockets going in, with people dying, I don't do anything that would harm that-- that process. 22:08:47:00 And therefore, before I made a statement of that nature, I'd get on the phone to my friend Bibi Netanyahu and say, "Would it help if I said this? What would you like me to do? Let's work together, because we're partners." I'm not a bomb thrower, rhetorically or literally. DIANE SAWYER: 22:09:00:00 Under the rules, we need-- your response. (APPLAUSE) SPEAKER NEWT GINGRICH: 22:09:05:00 I think sometimes it is helpful to have a president of the United States with the courage to tell the truth, just as was Ronald Reagan who went around his entire national security apparatus to call the Soviet Union an evil empire and who overruled his entire State Department in order to say, "Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall." Reagan believed the power of truth restated the world and reframed the world. I am a Reaganite, I'm proud to be a Reaganite. I will tell the truth, even if it's at the risk of causing some confusion sometimes with the timid. GOVERNOR MITT ROMNEY: 22:09:32:00 I think it's important (APPLAUSE)-- GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS: 22:09:37:00 Who's got the better of this argument, Congresswoman Bachmann? Who's got the better of this argument? CONGRESSWOMAN MICHELE BACHMANN: 22:09:41:00 Who has the better of this argument? GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS: 22:09:42:00 Yeah. (LAUGHTER) CONGRESSWOMAN MICHELE BACHMANN: 22:09:46:00 In 1974, I went to Israel for the first time and I worked on a kibbutz for the summer. And I saw a brand new nation that had begun in 1948 and was making its way into the modernization that we know today. They're a first world nation. I was able to return as a member of Congress multiple times, and I also met with Fayad in Ramallah in the very room that Arafat used as his conference room. When I was in there, I-- I had asked Fayad about the issue that we were very concerned about, and that's how the Palestinians teach their children to hate the Jews and call them pigs and swine and descendants from Hades. GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS: 22:10:24:00 Okay, but do you think-- CONGRESSWOMAN MICHELE BACHMANN: 22:10:24:00 And I-- and let me finish-- 22:10:25:00 (OVERTALK) CONGRESSWOMAN MICHELE BACHMANN: 22:10:26:00 And I have asked him about this very important issues, because how do you find peace when you continue to teach your children hatred? And asked Fayad about this issue, and he said, "Oh, tha-- we don't do that anymore. Our textbooks aren't filled with that." 22:10:38:00 And I said, "Oh really?" I pulled out a manila envelope that I'd brought with me, and I pulled out the pages that I'd photocopied out of current books that were being used that clearly showed that. And he said, "Oh, but these are old textbooks." And he said-- I said, "Really? Well, then why don't you send me the new textbooks that no longer say that and compare them with the old?" And I checked my mailbox today; he still hasn't me those textbooks. That's what needs to change. DIANE SAWYER: 22:11:06:00 Senator Santorum, let me put to you George's question. Who's got the better of the argument? SENATOR RICK SANTORUM: 22:11:11:00 Well, I-- I think you have to speak the truth-- but you have to do so with prudence. I mean, it's-- it's a combination. Th-- and, you know, I-- I-- I sat there and I listened to both of 'em; I thought they both had-- made excellent points. 22:11:23:00 But we're in a real-life situation. This isn't an academic exercise. We've got-- we have a-- we have an ally, and the policy of this country should be to stand shoulder to shoulder with our ally. And-- we-- we didn't have an ally in the Soviet Union. The only allies we had were sitting in gulags, and they desperately needed to hear the truth. And Ronald Reagan provided that truth. GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS: 22:11:44:00 So-- so do we-- SENATOR RICK SANTORUM: 22:11:44:00 Here, we have-- 22:11:45:00 (OVERTALK) GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS: 22:11:45:00 --with prudence, would that be saying (NOISE) Palestinians are invented or not? SENATOR RICK SANTORUM: 22:11:50:00 If I can finish my s-- comment, I'll get to that, George. (LAUGHTER) That-- that we-- we have an ally here that we have to work closely with. And I think Mitt's point was-- was the correct one. We need to be working with the Israelis to find out, you know what? Is this a wise thing for us to do, to step forward and to engage this issue? Maybe it is. 22:12:10:00 My guess is, at this point in time, it's not. Not that we shouldn't tell the truth, but we should be talking to our allies. It's their fight. We are to be their ally, we're to be-- supporting them. And I'm-- I-- I've been out here very publicly-- that the Israelis have the right to determine what happens in their land. And all of Israel, including the quote-- you know, West Bank, is Israeli land. And we need to work with them as to the solution that works best for our ally. DIANE SAWYER: 22:12:36:00 Governor Perry, close this-- GOVERNOR RICK PERRY: 22:12:37:00 Let me-- DIANE SAWYER: 22:12:37:00 --please. GOVERNOR RICK PERRY: 22:12:38:00 --just say that I think this is a minor issue-- that the media is blowing-- way out of proportion. We have a president of the United States who has put the most muddled foreign policy in place that is causing the problems in the Middle East. Whether it goes back to two thousand and-- and-- nine when we had an opportunity to impact Iran, whether it has been the way that-- he stood back in Egypt and did not try to negotiate people who would come in that w-- could work with us, and now we have radical Islamists as the head of Egypt, whether it was leading from the rear, if you will, in-- in Libya. 22:13:18:00 The idea that this president now, with Iran getting one of our predator drones in their possession, and he had two opportunities-- well, he didn't have two opportunities, he had two choices-- actually, he had three. And he chose the worst. 22:13:33:00 And those two opportunities he had was to either retrieve that drone, or to destroy it, and he did the worst of the three and he did absolutely nothing. And the Russians and the Chinese will have our highly technical equipment now. This president is the problem, not something that Newt Gingrich said. (APPLAUSE) DIANE SAWYER: 22:14:06:00 We have to take a break right now, and I just want to say that we have a partner in all of this, which of course is Yahoo. I want to put up a question which we want to address when we come back about the struggles of the middle class in this country. And we have a question on Yahoo about the last time those of you had a personal financial strain that forced you to cut back on a necessity, as so many people in the middle class say they do. What were the consequences you fa-- you faced, and will you weigh in on that? And that's when we come back. 22:14:43:00 (COMMERCIAL BREAK) (MUSIC) 22:16:02:00 (REVIEW CLIPS NOT TRANSCRIBED) ANNOUNCER: 22:19:56:00 Live from Drake University in Des Moines, Iowa, once again, Diane Sawyer and George Stephanopoulos. DIANE SAWYER: 22:20:02:00 And we welcome all of you back and, again, we thank the Republican candidates for president of the United States for debating here tonight. I'm gonna return to the Yahoo question, which brings the struggles of the middle class down to something personal for everyone who is behind a podium up there. 22:20:18:00 And here's what it said: "Many of us are forced to make cuts to continue necessities such as mortgage payments, groceries, transportation to work, and health care." And then the question continues, they want to know, "When is the last time you had a personal financial strain that forced you, not only to give up a luxury, but also to cut back on necessity? And what were the consequences you faced?" This is from Andrew in Texas. And I'd like to start, Governor Perry, with you. GOVERNOR RICK PERRY: 22:20:46:00 Well, obviously-- growin' up where I grew up-- there were some people that probably said-- as a matter of fact, I was on-- radio station here, WHO-- yesterday and-- and talked about my upbringing. And-- growin' up in a house that didn't have-- running water until I was five or six years old and-- and my mother-- sewin' my own clothes for me till I went off to college. 22:21:12:00 And-- the idea that-- luxury really wasn't in my lexicon. But as I grew and as I-- went off and flew in the United States Air Force and I came back home, and as a 27-year-old boy-- well, I was a m-- grown man by then-- but I didn't have anything-- I-- my social security-- has a zero in 1978. So I'm sure I was givin' up some things that other people would consider to be luxuries. 22:21:44:00 But the fact is-- I've never had a time in my life when I felt like that I gave anything up that I didn't have everything I needed. And-- I know there are people that are-- that are suffering in America today, and that's the reason we need to get this country back working and having people so that they can have a job. And the policies that I've laid out, and the record that I've had in the State of Texas for the last decade, clearly gives that record to the people of this country. DIANE SAWYER: 22:22:14:00 Again, we just want to remind you that, when the red comes up, you-- the rules that were agreed on here. I'll do the two governors; Governor Romney grew up in very different circumstances. What about this question? GOVERNOR MITT ROMNEY: 22:22:24:00 I didn't grow up poor. And if somebody is looking for someone who's grown up with that background, I'm-- I'm not the person. But I-- but I grew up with a dad who'd been poor, and my dad wanted to make sure I understood the lessons of hard work. And my mom and dad wanted to make sure that I understood the principles that made America the greatest nation on earth. 22:22:43:00 And so they made sure we had jobs as we were growing up. They made sure we didn't spend money foolishly. And they made sure that I had-- a care and concern for other people. I was able to serve my church overseas, and to-- to meet people there that had very difficult circumstances in their life. I also spent time in this country, serving as a pastor in my-- in my church, and again, having the occasion to work with people that were really struggling. I saw marriages under great stress. 22:23:06:00 You see, when-- when people lose jobs, marriages get strained, people's health gets affected-- people become depressed. And-- and I'm in this race, not-- not because I grew up without means, but because I understand what it takes to get America working again. And I love this country enormously and understand the principles and understand the specifics that it takes to get America creating jobs again. That's why I'm in the race. DIANE SAWYER: 22:23:30:00 And Congressman Paul, what does this question evoke? How much does it matter to have personal experience? CONGRESSMAN RON PAUL: 22:23:38:00 Well-- I feel very fortunate because-- although I was raised in-- in a system that-- in a family that was rather poor, but we-- (LAUGH) I didn't even know it. You know, it was durin' the Depression and World War II, and we didn't have very much, and I worked my way through college, and that was a natural instinct because that's what you were supposed to do. But-- I-- I-- I finally-- did a little bit better in medical school because I had my wife work our way through cool-- (LAUGH) medical school. (LAUGHTER) So that worked out a little bit better. 22:24:06:00 But middle class is suffering, but not only because we bale out the rich and dump on the poor and they lose their jobs and they lose their houses, but there's a characteristic about monetary policy. When a country destroys its currency, it transfers wealth from the middle class to the wealthy, and this is what you're seeing today: the elimination of the middle class. And going to get a lot worse unless we address the subject overspending, over-borrowing, and printing too much money, and understanding the business cycle. DIANE SAWYER: 22:24:36:00 Senator Santorum. (APPLAUSE) SENATOR RICK SANTORUM: 22:24:40:00 I c-- I can say that I grew up in a very modest home and was very blessed to have-- all my basic needs met. And one of the most basic needs and the most important one that I've learned was that I was blessed to have a mother and a father. That was the most important gift that I was given, that I had two parents who were together, who loved me, who supported me and made me feel safe. And made the-- the-- the little things that no one would consider luxuries today feel like luxuries because I had that sense of security. 22:25:09:00 Unfortunately, America, we see the family continuing to break down. And with that, the economic status of those families. Single-parent households in America now have poverty levels approaching 40%. So-- you not only have the lack of security and stability in so many cases, because moms are doin' heroic work tryin' to hold things together, but it's hard. 22:25:31:00 And so what we can do as a federal government, we can do more importantly as the leader of this country, to try to promote this institution of marriage. Try to promote the family and try to nurture this environment that we have to-- to make sure that families are elevated and supported and fathers and mothers are there to take care of their families and-- and-- and-- and be there for their children. That's the most important luxury, is a mom and a dad. DIANE SAWYER: 22:25:54:00 And Congresswoman Bachmann, someone said recently that troubled banks got a bailout, troubled homeowners got evicted. Your response on this question and the struggle for the middle class. CONGRESSWOMAN MICHELE BACHMANN: 22:26:07:00 Well, I opposed the $700 bailout for Wall Street because Wall Street rolled the dice and they made some very foolish decisions. They were only too happy to pocket profits when times were good, but when times went south and things got sour then they decided to socialize their losses. And the-- American taxpayer was only too good to bail them out. 22:26:29:00 There's people on this stage that-- supported that bailout; I didn't. Behind closed doors, I took on the Treasury secretary, Hank Paulson; I took on my own president because I knew this was going to be a very bad deal. 22:26:42:00 You'd asked the question about luxuries and where we come from. I was born here in Iowa to a middle-class family, but my family went through a tragedy that millions of families go through: My folks got divorced. And when it happened, my mom found herself a single mom who'd been a full-time homemaker, she had four kids. We went to below poverty overnight. And when I was 13, I had to start getting a job to help out the family. 22:27:06:00 I know what the-- it's like for single moms to struggle. And throughout most of our marriage, we're still coupon clippers today. We still go to consignment stores today. We get what that feels like. And I think it's important for the next president of the United States to be in touch with what real people struggle with across the country, and I have. GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS: 22:27:26:00 Speaker Gingrich? (APPLAUSE) SPEAKER NEWT GINGRICH: 22:27:30:00 Well, let me say first of all, the-- that-- when I was young, we lived-- in an apartment above a gas station on the square in Holmestown (PH), Pennsylvania. I had relatives who were steel workers, others who were delivery men, some who worked in department stores. My dad was in the Army and we'd moved around, and he lived on the pay of a junior officer. By the time-- it was fairly frugal, but you-- you didn't feel desperate. 22:27:50:00 Today, I've had several relatives in the last three years who've been out of work, who've had to go through very difficult times. My wife Callista runs Gingrich Productions as a company. It's a very small company, does basically movies and books and things like that. We have to meet a payroll. We have to find markets. We have to find-- you know-- d-- well, do-- do everything that small businesses go through. And I know how difficult this economy is at a practical level if you're a small business. GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS: 22:28:16:00 I wanna stick with Yahoo because as you-- we said at the start, we're getting real-time feedback from our Yahoo audience. Over 12,000 people have already weighed in on Yahoo and ABCNews.com. An-- and this is directed at-- at Speaker Gingrich and-- and-- and Governor Romney, because more than 72% say right now they want to hear more from you about your past support for health care mandates. 22:28:37:00 That's something that they're still not fully satisfied with what they've heard-- (NOISE) from you. And-- and Speaker Gingrich-- I mean, Governor Romney, let me begin with you because-- you were clear. You've said you've always been against a federal mandate; you supported it in the State of Massachusetts. Where there has been some ambiguity, at least in the past, is whether you think that other states should try the mandate. Back in 2007, you said that you thought it would be good for most states to try it; now you say you wouldn't encourage other states to try. Can you explain that? GOVERNOR MITT ROMNEY: 22:29:06:00 States can do whatever the heck they want to do; that's the great thing about-- (APPLAUSE) about our system. I-- I think there's a good deal that we did that people can look at and find as a model, that could-- GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS: 22:29:17:00 The mandate? GOVERNOR MITT ROMNEY: 22:29:17:00 --help other state-- if some-- if they want to, sure. They could try what they think is best. I-- that's-- it's up to other states to try what works for them. Some will like that; some will think it's a terrible idea. We had this idea of exchanges where people could buy insurance-- from companies, private companies-- we have no government insurance, by the way, in our state. It's all-- other than the federal Medicare/Medic-- Medicaid programs. It's all private pay. So people can learn from one another. 22:29:40:00 But-- but my-- (LAUGH) my plan-- was designed for our state, and other states should have the right to create plans that work for them. And if they come up with something better than we did, then we can learn from them. But the idea of a federal government or a federal mandate, as you see with Obamacare, flies in the face of the Constitution, violates the tenth amendment. I think the Supreme Court will strike it down. If they don't, I will. GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS: 22:30:02:00 Speaker Gingrich-- Congresswoman Bachmann pointed out that as-- as late as May of this year, you supported some form of the mandate when everyone else had-- had come out against it. What finally tipped you over and convinced you that it was unconstitutional? SPEAKER NEWT GINGRICH: 22:30:17:00 Well, I think first of all for the federal government to do it is unconstitutional because it means the Congress-- the Congress, which could compel you to purchase this item, could compel you to purchase any item. And so the question of freedom would be d-- would be missed. And any (MIC NOISE) majority could then decide to make you do virtually anything. I think that's part of why you're seeing a dramatic shift back towards limiting the federal government and towards imposing the tenth amendment as a very serious barrier. 22:30:42:00 I-- I've been working on health issues since 1974. And I've been t-- and-- and I tried to find a way to break out of where we are, because the fact is the whole third-party payment model, whether public or private, has grown more and more expensive, more and more difficult to sustain. And helped found the Center for Health Transformation that-- for that reason, wrote a book called Saving Lives and Saving Money back in 2002. 22:31:04:00 We need to fundamentally rethink the entire health system to move back towards a doctor-patient relationship, and back toward something like what Rick Santorum talked about with health savings accounts where people are directly engaged in their own health and in taking care of themselves to a much greater degree than they are in the current insurance system. DIANE SAWYER: 22:31:22:00 If I can switch to this question, and-- and it is about health care, because a number of people-- in fact, I was just at a pharmacy here-- I-- have a cough. But I was (LAUGH) at the pharmacy here in Iowa, and the pharmacists were talking about a big-- driver of health care costs. And they specifically mentioned habits, unhealthy habits that we all need to learn to be better on at a young age. They talked about obesity, they talked about exercise. If I can ask you, Congressman Paul: Anything government should do on these fronts? CONGRESSMAN RON PAUL: 22:31:58:00 On-- on medical? Or? DIANE SAWYER: 22:31:59:00 On these fronts, specifically, of healthy behavior at very young-- ages for-- it's-- CONGRESSMAN RON PAUL: 22:32:05:00 No, essentially not, but they have to be-- a referee. If people are doing things that hurt other people, yes. But if you embark on instituting a society where government protects you from yourself, you're in big trouble, and that's what they're doing. (APPLAUSE) 22:32:27:00 I think-- I think what we've had here is a demonstration of-- why should we have a candidate that's gonna have to explain themselves? 70% of the people want further explanations on what your positions are. So I think that it is endless. But you talk about the-- the Obamacare using force, but that's all government is, is force. 22:32:48:00 I mean, do you have a choice about paying Medicare taxes? So there's not a whole of different-- you're forced to buy insurance. That's one step further. But you have to stop with force. Once government uses force to mold behavior or mold the economy, they've overstepped the bounds and they've violated the whole concept of our revolution and our Constitution. (APPLAUSE) GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS: 22:33:15:00 We-- we are running short on time. I just want to ask quickly, does anyone disagree with the first part of Congressman Paul's answer there, where he said the government really shouldn't be getting involved in these broader issues of behavior? GOVERNOR RICK PERRY: 22:33:25:00 Listen, I happen to think that the states-- that's their call, not the federal government. The states should be able to make decisions on whether they-- Terry, you probably have some programs here-- in Iowa to get-- 22:33:38:00 (MALE VOICE: UNINTEL) GOVERNOR RICK PERRY: 22:33:40:00 There you go. (LAUGHTER) (APPLAUSE) So-- it-- it-- it should be their call. But listen, this goes back, and-- and-- and Congressman Paul and I, you know, we disagree from time to time. But the real issues that we have in this country are that people are sick of Washington, D.C. They're sick of the money that they're seeing spent, they're sick of the fraud and the corruption that they're seeing. 22:34:02:00 They're sick of seeing their-- their kids' futures mortgaged because we've got a Washington, D.C., that is out of touch with the country. It's the reason, when I talk about my overhauling Washington plan, and I've gotten a pretty good response across the country when I talk about goin' to a part-time Congress. Cut their pay in half, let 'em spend half the time in Washington, D.C. Send 'em back home to have a regular job like the rest of the people in their districts, and work under the laws that they pass. That I will suggest to you, along with a balanced budget amendment to the United States Congress, will go a long way toward stoppin' a lot of the nonsense that we're seeing comin' out of Washington-- GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS: 22:34:41:00 Now, it was Governor-- GOVERNOR RICK PERRY: 22:34:41:00 --D.C. GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS: 22:34:41:00 --Branstad who said this is the-- healthiest-- CONGRESSWOMAN MICHELE BACHMANN: 22:34:44:00 Healthiest-- GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS: 22:34:44:00 --state in the nation, and we will return to the healthiest state in the nation in just a minute. ANNOUNCER: 22:34:48:00 (MUSIC) You're watching live ABC News coverage of the Iowa Republican Party debate. ANNOUNCER: 22:40:20:00 Live from Drake University in Des Moines, Iowa. Once again, Diane Sawyer and George Stephanopoulos. DIANE SAWYER: 22:40:27:00 And George and I were just talking about the fact, the question we get so often is, why can't people who disagree show respect for each other, and can we all work together, even people who disagree, to move the country forward? And so-- GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS: 22:40:40:00 So we're-- in form of closing, still we just want each of you, you're running against each other. But in these last few minutes, and just think of a minute where we will not run over to commercial, (LAUGH) tell us the one thing you've learned from someone else, one of your challengers, on stage. Senator Santorum? RICK SANTORUM: 22:40:56:00 Well, I'll-- I'll go back to-- you know, the comment I made earlier. I mean, I-- when I was first running for office-- you know, Newt Gingrich was the guy that-- who's-- who's tapes I've listened to as a young man-- and tryin' to-- at 30 years old, deciding to run for Congress. He laid out-- a vision for conservative governance that-- that I-- adopted and-- and ran with in a very, very tough Congressional district outside of suburban Pittsburgh, so tough that no one gave me a chance of winnin' it. 22:41:24:00 Fact, election night the Wall Street Journal called the Republican National Committee to find out the name of the guy that won. And they didn't even know my name at the RNC. (LAUGHTER) That's a true story. And-- and you don't get a lotta true stories. But that's a true story. And-- and so, you know-- I-- I came out of the blue as a conservative. 22:41:44:00 Think that's, again, the-- the thing that distinguishes me. I-- I've run as a conservative in a 60% Democratic district and won in a 70% Democratic district and won in the State of Pennsylvania with almost a million more Republicans than Democrats and won. I defeated an incumbent and-- and won again. And-- in a year that George Bush lost the election by five, I won by six. And-- and I stuck by the conservative principles that Newt outlined in the-- in the late '80s. And-- and it's always served me well. I've been a consistent conservative. GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS: 22:42:11:00 Governor Perry? RICK PERRY: 22:42:13:00 I'd say-- Congressman Paul got me really intrigued with the whole-- the federal reserve. And I've spent a substantial amount of time reading about and Currency Wars, the book by James Rickards that-- but Congressman Paul is-- is-- is the individual in the stage that got me most interested in-- in a subject that I found to be quite interesting and at the root of a lotta the problems that we have. And I thank you for that. But the one thing that I found-- outside of-- of these fine-- individuals on this stage is that the people of this country, the people of this country really want to get America back on track. 22:42:54:00 And Ri-- Congressman Keane, whether it's somebody like you and-- and your Idea Act that-- that we talked about the other day-- there are really good men and women in this country that wanna get this country back headed down a track. And they understand, Michele, just as you've said, that this election is about the future of this country. One of the most important elections, if not the most important election, and we gotta get it right. DIANE SAWYER: 22:43:20:00 Over to you, Governor Romney. (APPLAUSE) MITT ROMNEY: 22:43:25:00 I-- I always find-- the principle of leadership to be most interesting. And-- and as I look at the people on this stage, each exhibits different qualities of leadership. And they've each exercised leadership in different ways. Wha-- one of the about Ron Paul that always-- amazes me is when I come to a debate like this, the only signs I see are the Ron Paul people out there-- (LAUGHTER) in freezing. (APPLAUSE) 22:43:51:00 In freezing temperatures, they're always there. He ignites an enthusiasm with a number of people. That's very exciting to watch. In choosing a president, it-- it's the qualities of leadership that are gonna make the difference. Because our positions on issues are-- are-- are important, of course. 22:44:05:00 And I happen to think I've got the right positions on issues, of course. Or I wouldn't have 'em. But-- but fundamentally-- we know that down the road what's gonna de-- determine who is a great president or not is-- is their qualities of leadership in getting America back on track. And-- and-- and I believe-- right now-- and just as-- as Governor Perry just said, this is the time for real leadership because this country is going in a very dangerous direction. This is a time where America has got to return to principles that will keep us the hope of the earth and-- and the shining city on the hill. That light from that shining city has dimmed over the last three years. And I will help restore it. (APPLAUSE) GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS: 22:44:40:00 Mister speaker. NEWT GINGRICH: 22:44:45:00 Well, I-- I wanna say two people, one on the stage and one not. Governor Terry Branstad is my role model. Get outta politics for a while doin' something else, be involved in health care, (LAUGHTER) come back when you're clearly too old, too experienced, too tied to the past, win the governorship decisively, do a great job. (CHEERS) (APPLAUSE) 22:45:09:00 And the-- the other-- I just wanna say two other people very briefly. Rick Perry got me engaged about three years ago on this whole tenth amendment in a big, serious way. And I think that he is-- he h-- he has helped ignite a fire that is gonna change America. And Rick Santorum's consistency and courage on Iran has been a hallmark of why, if we do survive, it will be in part because of people like Rick who've had the courage to te-- tell the truth about the Iranians for a long time. (APPLAUSE) RON PAUL: 22:45:43:00 Well, I have learned that you should never give up on your opposition. Because if you're persistent, (LAUGH) and you present your case, they will come your way. So Rick, I appreciate it. (LAUGHTER) Rick, I appreciate it. (UNINTEL) appreciate it. You're open to the federal reserve. That's wonderful. But I-- I work from the assumption that freedom brings people together. 22:46:04:00 And if you understand freedom, it's based on tolerance and nonviolence. So if it's tolerance, it should be bringing all kinds of people together and that's following our Constitution. And we shouldn't be fighting among ourselves. Because we shouldn't be fighting in Washington if we all take the same oath of office. Where does the fight come from? Somebody is messin' up somewhere. (LAUGHTER) So-- so I say that with persistence, I think that we can all prevail and come up with the right answers. (APPLAUSE) 22:46:33:00 (OFF-MIC CONVERSATION) MICHELE BACHMANN: 22:46:36:00 Well, I would agree with everything that's been said here tonight. But I would also add again, someone that I mentioned a little bit earlier and that was Herman Cain. Herman Cain, I think when he brought up the 999 plan, and that you can't have a debate without saying "999" in the debate, I think one thing that he showed us is the power of being very plain spoken. 22:46:58:00 And also reducing something to a very simple level so people get it. And people were very excited about that plan. Because they could understand what that meant. And I think that's a challenge for every one of us; 'cause a lotta times, you can end up sounding and talking like a big bureaucrat in Washington. People don't want that. They don't want Washington. They want outside of Washington. And rightfully so. That's why I think in this race, I'm-- I'm the proven consistent conservative and I'm gonna go with win-win-win rather than 999. DIANE SAWYER: 22:47:32:00 Well again, we are at the end of the (APPLAUSE) time agreed upon by all of you, the candidates. And we thank you so much and we thank the people of Iowa, 24 days the voting begins. GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS: 22:47:42:00 That's the time for us. We're gonna be back with our political team for their independent analysis. We're hearing lots of opinions on Yahoo and Twitter and Facebook. We'll get to that in just a minute. (MUSIC) ANNOUNCER: 22:47:52:00 Much more to come as ABC's live coverage of the Iowa Republican Party Debate continues. (APPLAUSE) * * *END OF TRANSCRIPT* * *
RED STATE GATHERING REPUBLICAN CANDIDATE FORUM P4 / HD
FTG FROM RED STATE CANDIDATE FORUM PART 1 - BOBBY JINDAL GOP PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATES SPEAKING: 10:30 - 11:00 a.m. Governor Chris Christie 11:30 - Noon Governor Rick Perry 1:30 - 2:00 p.m. Governor Bobby Jindal 3:30 - 4:00 p.m. Carly Fiorina 4:30 - 5:00 p.m. Senator Marco Rubio From the Atlanta Journal-Constitution Atlanta becomes the center of the American political universe this weekend as 10 Republican presidential hopefuls here for the RedState Gathering at the Intercontinental Buckhead on Peachtree Road. The gathering, named after the conservative political website, is the brainchild of WSB Radio host Erick Erickson. It's a three-day convention of top GOP elected officials, 700 activists, 150 journalists and begins this evening - concurrent with the first major debates of the 2016 presidential campaign. Tickets for the gathering are sold out. It's not just presidential candidates speaking. A number of governors and other Republican luminaries will appear, all sandwiched around panels on topics such as The Power of Twitter and civil asset forfeiture. (LINK <http://politics.blog.ajc.com/2015/08/06/everything-you-need-to-know-about-the-atlanta-redstate-gathering/>) Full schedule Friday, August7, 2015 8:00a.m. - 5:00p.m. Registration Intercontinental, Ballroom Foyer 7:30 - 9:00a.m. Breakfast, Ballroom Foyer 8:00 - 8:45a.m. You Will Be Made to Care - Erick Erickson and Casey Mattox, Windsor Ballroom 8:45 - 9:00 a.m. Welcome, Opening Prayer, Pledge of Allegiance 9:00- 9:30a.m. The Elephant in the Room: Planned Parenthood - Ed Morrissey, HotAir.com and Amanda Muatoz, Townhall Media 9:30- 10:00a.m. The Power of Twitter - Lori Ziganto, Twitchy and Sean Evins, Twitter 10:00- 10:15 a.m. Senator Jim DeMint 10:15- 10:30a.m. Senator Tim Scott 10:30 - 11:00a.m. Governor Chris Christie 11:00- 11:30a.m. A Conversation with Governor Nikki Haley 11:30 - Noon Governor Rick Perry Noon - 1:30p.m. Lunch - Ballroom Foyer 12:30- 1:15 p.m. They Are Coming For You: Even Red State Republicans Are Trying To Criminalize Conservatives Michael Sullivan and Dustin Matocha, Empower Texans Windsor Ballroom 1:30 - 2:00 p.m. Governor Bobby Jindal 2:00 - 2:30p.m. Governor Pete Ricketts 3:30 - 4:00p.m. Carly Fiorina 4:00 - 4:30p.m. Governor Greg Abbott 4:30 - 5:00p.m. Senator Marco Rubio BUSH, WALKER, JINDAL, PERRY, FIORINA TO APPEAR AT REDSTATE GATHERING IN ATLANTA AUGUST 6-9 RedState's Erick Erickson will have the following announcement post up tomorrow on RedState at the following link. Excerpt from the RS post: I am asking the 2016 candidates to do one thing, though, which we rarely do. Though I am loathe to ever suggest a topic for speakers, I have asked each of the 2016 candidates to focus on one thing: if they become President, their re-election would be in 2020. I'd like them to present their 2020 vision for what the nation should look like after their first four years. We do not need Obama bashing. We need to know what they would do differently and how they would shape the nation. They should be elected not on their ability to bash the opposition, but their ability to sell a vision for the future that resonances with the base and the nation as a whole. We do not, right now, need a 50 point plan. We need to know what they see as the areas that need fixing and how their fixes will reshape the country. <http://www.redstate.com/2015/05/12/round-one-for-the-redstate-gathering/> Round One For the RedState Gathering I hope you have gotten your tickets to the RedState Gathering, because with this post today I suspect we are going to see them start going quickly. Backers of the various candidates want to see their preferred pick and with Atlanta being an easy place to get to, well . . . I hope you got your ticket. You can register at this link. This morning I want to tell you about the first wave of 2016 Presidential candidates who are speaking at the RedState Gathering. They will not be the only speakers. We have some really awesome candidates and elected officials coming. But I promised to release the names of the 2016 candidates first. While the complete list of speakers isn't being released at this time, as of this morning, I can announce that the RedState Gathering will get to hear from Scott Walker, Rick Perry, Bobby Jindal, Carly Fiorina and Jeb Bush. We have also extended invitations to Ted Cruz, Mike Huckabee, Rand Paul (R-KY) 80% and Marco Rubio but have not yet confirmed their attendance. There are a few special surprise guests heading to the Gathering as well, but mentioning them right now would ruin the fun. The RedState Gathering started in 2009 in Atlanta and we've returned to that city for the 2015 Gathering. The event has always been a very grassroots event. The speakers cover their costs, which helps keep your cost low. They take questions, which will happen this year. But most of all, you get to see and hear from them up close. This year, the RedState Gathering will kick off on the evening of August 6, 2015, with a very special party that will feature a discussion with Joe Scarborough. The Presidential candidates will take center stage on August 7th. There will be even more on August 8th. When we did the first RedState Gathering in 2009, we heard from some relatively unknown candidates: Ted Cruz (R-TX) 100%, Marco Rubio (R-FL) 100%, and Nikki Haley to name a few. This year there will be few unknowns, but a lot of people the RedState grassroots have helped over the years. I am asking the 2016 candidates to do one thing, though, which we rarely do. Though I am loathe to ever suggest a topic for speakers, I have asked each of the 2016 candidates to focus on one thing: if they become President, their re-election would be in 2020. I'd like them to present their 2020 vision for what the nation should look like after their first four years. We do not need Obama bashing. We need to know what they would do differently and how they would shape the nation. They should be elected not on their ability to bash the opposition, but their ability to sell a vision for the future that resonances with the base and the nation as a whole. We do not, right now, need a 50 point plan. We need to know what they see as the areas that need fixing and how their fixes will reshape the country. Please join Scott Walker, Rick Perry, Bobby Jindal, Carly Fiorina, Jeb Bush, and me in Atlanta on August 6th to August 9th at the Intercontinental Buckhead Hotel for the 2015 RedState Gathering. More exciting announcements to come soon. ------ FIORINA FIORINA: Thank you. Thank you. Thank you so much. (APPLAUSE) FIORINA: Well, I don't know, I think we kind of rumbled last night. What do you think? (APPLAUSE) FIORINA: Thank you. I had a lot of fun last night, but I am really delighted to be with all of you this afternoon. You know, Eric (ph) just said that I've gained something of a reputation for answering questions and for going on any show, and -- I've also gained a reputation, maybe, for saying some things that other people aren't prepared to say. So one of my first speeches, I was thinking about this today, one of my very first speeches was at CPAC, I know many of you were there, and I asked this question of Hillary Clinton. Mrs. Clinton, flying is an activity, not an accomplishment. Please name an accomplishment. (LAUGHTER) FIORINA: And, you know, we don't have an answer yet. We don't have an answer yet. Or then there was that Saturday morning, when I was asked on a national television show whether I thought a woman's hormones prevented her from serving in the Oval Office. And my response was, "gee, can anyone think of any instance in which a man's judgment might have been clouded by his hormones?" (LAUGHTER) FIORINA: Including in the Oval Office! And then there was the time that I went on The View. (LAUGHTER) FIORINA: I know. I know. But, you know, as one of your previous panels said, sometimes we have to go where people don't know they agree with us yet. And I was asked, on The View -- Rosie O'Donnell, who I really like -- she -- Rosie Perez, I'm sorry, who I really like, not Rosie O'Donnell, that was last night's debate, sorry. Rosie Perez. (LAUGHTER) FIORINA: Anyway, Rosie Perez said, "you know, I really like you. Why are you a conservative?" You know, that tone people get. "I like you. I think I agree with you. Why are you a conservative?" And I said this: I said "I'm a conservative because I know no one of us is any better than any other one of us. Each of us are gifted by God. All of us want to live lives of dignity and purpose and meaning, and I know that our values, our principles and our policies work better to lift everyone up." It's fair to say that Rosie and many in the audience were surprised by that answer. It's also fair to say, as I said last night, that 2016 is gonna be a fight, a real fight, between conservatism and the progressivism that has completely dominated the Democrat party and that is now not only undermining the character of our nation, but crushing the potential of this nation. You see, progressives don't believe what I just said. They don't believe that no one of us is any better than any other one of us. In fact, if you look at their policies, if you look at how they talk about things, how they talk about people, whether it's what they're doing to defend Planned Parenthood or how they continue to support the teachers' unions. No matter what they say, the core message is this: some of us are smarter than others. Some of us are better than others. Some of you really can't live lives of dignity an purpose and meaning, but don't worry, some of us are gonna take care of the rest of you. It is the height of disrespect and disregard, and it is the fight we must have in 2016. (APPLAUSE) FIORINA: You know, sometimes, we tend to think of politics as a game, a sport, you know, and everybody got ready for fight night last night, you know? It kind of feels like a sport and a game. The only think big, of course, politics, while it sometimes can be fun, like a sport, or maybe disappointing, like a sport, it's not a game, because politics and politicians and the policies they pursue impact every single person's life. We are at a pivotal point in our nation's history. We must win in 2016. (APPLAUSE) FIORINA: And in order to win, we're gonna have to have a nominee who throws every punch, who will not ever pull her punches. (APPLAUSE) FIORINA: We're gonna have to have a nominee who will point out Hillary Clinton's lack of accomplishment. We're gonna have to have a nominee who points out that she is not trustworthy, and yes, indeed, as I told Chris Matthews over and over again last night, on MSNBC, she did lie about Benghazi, she did lie about her e-mails, and she did lie about her server. (APPLAUSE) FIORINA: And we're also gonna have to have a nominee who is prepared to take on every mythology of the Democrat party, whether it's the war on women, or they're the party who care most about African-Americans or Hispanics or the poor. The truth is the Democrats have been bad. Bad for women, bad for African-Americans, bad for Hispanics, bad for economic growth, opportunity, and respect in this nation. That's what we need to win this job. I can win this job. (APPLAUSE) FIORINA: But then we have to have someone who can do the job, because the job needs doing now, and I think, to do this job in 2016, at a pivotal point in our nation's history, we need someone who actually understands how the economy works, who understands that when we tangle people's lives up in webs of dependence, we are not only hurting them, we are hurting everyone in this nation who understands that the real engine of economic growth in this nation is not big companies. Crony capitalism is crushing the engine of economic growth in this country, which is, and always has been, small businesses, community-based businesses, family-owned businesses. (APPLAUSE) FIORINA: Many of you know that I started out as a secretary in a nine-person real estate firm. My husband, Frank, who I've been married to for 30 years, started out driving a tow truck in a family- owned auto body shop. It is how most people start, so when we crush that engine of economic growth, and we're now destroying more small businesses than we're creating for the first time in U.S. history, we crush opportunity for everyone. Someone who understands that, in order to educate our children for the 21st century, we have to give every single parent a choice so every child has a chance. (APPLAUSE) FIORINA: We need somebody who understands how the world works and who's in it, and, as I have pointed out many times, to Mrs. Clinton, among others, I know more world leaders on the stage today than anyone running, only I didn't do photo-ops like Mrs. Clinton did. I had serious, substantive meetings, and that's why I know it is so critical that, on day one in the Oval Office, the president of the United States sends an unmistakable signal, and I will do so by making two phone calls: one to Bibi Netanyahu, to assure him we will stand with the state of Israel. (APPLAUSE) FIORINA: The other phone call will be to the supreme leader of Iran. He might not take my phone call, but he will get the message, and the message is "New deal, new deal. Until you open every nuclear and military facility to full and unfettered inspections, we will make it as hard as possible for you to move money around the world." We need an unmistakable signal that America is back in the leadership business. We need a president... (APPLAUSE) FIORINA: ...we need a president who understands bureaucracies, how to hold them accountable and cut them down to size, because the federal government has become one giant, bloated, corrupt bureaucracy, and we need... (APPLAUSE) FIORINA: ...we need somebody who understands technology, which is a great tool, but it's also a weapon that's being used against us. And finally, and perhaps most importantly of all, we need someone who understands what leadership is. Yes, it is sometimes a tough call, in tough times, with high stakes, for which you are prepared to stand and be held to account. I have a track record of leadership, but the highest calling of leadership is to challenge the status quo. We need someone who can challenge the status quo of Washington, D.C., not someone who's been in the political process all their lives. The highest calling of leadership, as well, is to unlock the potential of others. We need a leader in the Oval Office who understands their highest calling is to unlock the potential of this great nation. With your help and your support, I will lead the resurgence of a great nation. Thank you so very much, ladies and gentlemen. (APPLAUSE) FIORINA: Thank you so much. (APPLAUSE) MODERATOR: So, they took you seriously. I got a stack of questions. FIORINA: Are we sitting in the... MODERATOR: Do you wanna sit, or do you wanna stand? FIORINA: I don't... MODERATOR: I've been standing, asking questions. Alright? Alex from St. Petersburg, Florida. Why -- OK, so, we have -- we have -- I can't read the handwriting, Alex, I'm sorry. Bob -- hey, Bob! -- from Pennsylvania. "How do you reduce the power of the Chamber of Commerce?" FIORINA: Well, it's a loaded question, but not so much. First of all, what does the Chamber of Commerce do, remind me? (LAUGHTER) FIORINA: See, I ask the question because, here's the truth: every single agency of government has been getting bigger and bigger and bigger and more powerful year after year after year, and the truth is, we barely know what some of them do anymore. And let us sell (sic) the truth: this has been going on for 40 years under Republicans and Democrats alike, which is why, I think, we need, now, to move to systemic solutions. Big levers we gotta pull to cut bureaucracies down to size. The first two that I think are critically important: number one, we gotta know where our money is being spent and what it's being spent on. It's called zero-based budgeting... (APPLAUSE) FIORINA: ...because the truth is we're spending way too much in some places, and not enough in others. You know, we need to reinvest in our military, for example, so that everybody knows we have the strongest military on the face of the planet. (APPLAUSE) FIORINA: But here's the thing: every time something important needs to be done in government, what does the federal government tell us? "I need more money. "You want me to secure the border, we need more money. You want me to invest in the military, we need more money. You want me to build highways and bridges? We need more money." No. The government needs less money, so we need to look at where the money is being spent. Zero-based budgeting. What's the second lever that needs to get pulled? Remember when the V.A. scandal broke in Arizona, a year and a half ago? Right? Everybody was outraged, as they should have. The V.A. has been a stain on our nation's honor for decades, but that particular story got everybody riled up, and, within three short weeks, the political class did what? They came together and passed a bipartisan bill that said what? We could fire the 400 senior executives in the V.A. Now, ladies and gentlemen, nobody's been fired much, but what a great idea. Let's do that all throughout the federal government. That's a lever that needs to get pulled. (APPLAUSE) MODERATOR: Jackie, from Murfreesboro, Tennessee, says "you've eloquently taken on Hillary Clinton. Could you as eloquently explain the way the world works to Mitch McConnell and John Boehner?" (LAUGHTER) FIORINA: You know, one of the things that happens, seriously, is people get captured by a system they've been in for too long. People get used to the status quo. It happens in all walks of life. I'm prepared to accept that most people who go to Washington are good people and who want to serve, but I've also seen it in politics, in business, in charity, in life. People settle into the status quo, and the people who protect the status quo most aggressively are those who have benefited from it. We have a lot of people in Washington who have benefited from the status quo, and they're the last people who are gonna change it, which is why someone who understands how the status quo works, but is not of it, and who can see it, and who has the courage to change it, has to come in and challenge the status quo. (APPLAUSE) MODERATOR: I'm reminded, by the way, flipping through these cards, how many people we have, from so many states. I'm trying to be diverse in states. Tim from Farmington, Pennsylvania, wants to know if you would describe your style of leadership. FIORINA: These are all such great questions. You know, I will begin by saying that people sometimes ask me, "how did you go from being a secretary of a nine-person real estate firm to the chief executive of a $90 billion technology firm?" And the truth is, I didn't have a plan to do that, but what I always did, because I like a challenge and I want to make a difference, is I would run to the problem, and every time I ran to the problem, I would find people who knew how to solve the problem. They just had never been asked. Ladies and gentlemen, I think we know how to solve our problems, but you have been asked enough, and so one of the things that I would do -- my leadership style is to ask people who know how to solve the problem. Unlock their potential so they can help solve it, and let me give you a very simple example of what I mean, too, actually. I talked about the V.A. -- the V.A. being a stain on our nation's honor. It is. You know what I would do? I would start by putting about 10 veterans in a room, and I would say to them, tell us how you want to be served. (APPLAUSE) FIORINA: And you know what, those 10 veterans, and all of their fellow veterans that they would represent, would give us a better blueprint for how to finally serve those who have served us than all the bureaucrats in Washington combined. (APPLAUSE) FIORINA: Let me give you another simple example. I talked just a moment ago about zero-based budgeting and, you know, being able to fire people who watch pornography all day long instead of doing their jobs. That's not an idle example. We have inspector general reports that tell us, every several months, that they find federal government employees who are watching porn all day long and pulling down the same pay, pension, and benefits as somebody trying to do a good job. Really? As Donald Trump would say, you're fired. (LAUGHTER) FIORINA: The point is this: how do you get that done? How do you get that done? You get it done by asking the people what should be done, and, you know, who knows what should be done? You and citizens like you, and so I will go into the Oval Office regularly -- once a week for example -- in a weekly radio address, and I will say to you, "fellow citizens, please take out your smartphones. I'd like to ask you a couple questions. "Question number one, do you think it's important that we know where your money is being spent? Press one for yes, two for no." (LAUGHTER) FIORINA: You know what, ladies and gentlemen? You may laugh, but that technology exists. We use it to vote for silly things, like The Voice. We ought to use it to vote for the things that matter to this nation, and we will put pressure on the political system. (APPLAUSE) MODERATOR: Anne from Atlanta asks, "last night, you indicated your willingness to have government surveil social media to help fight in the war on terror. What safeguards would you put in place to protect American citizens from the government surveilling them through social media?" FIORINA: Yes, and I think it's a really important question, because what I'm not talking about is broadly surveying everyone. That's a problem. What I am talking about, if you look at every single lone-wolf terrorist-inspired attack that we have seen in this nation, from Major Hasan to the Boston Marathon bombers, every single one of those attacks, we had clues. People knew something was wrong, and when we know something is wrong and we have clues, we should be trying to figure out who these people are and what they're going to do next. Secondly, what I know from my background in technology is that if we are going to adequately detect and repel cyber attacks, and, as we know, China and Russia have been using technology as a weapon against us, what's sad about what I just said is I served as the chairman of the advisory board of the Central Intelligence Agency. I have the highest security clearance available to a civilian, and so I can tell you with assurance that we have known for at least 12 years that the Chinese and the Russians had a plan to attack our systems and our databases. It is ineptitude that we could not detect or repel this, and in fact we now know that the inspector general went to the Office of Personnel Management -- by the way, I'm quite sure the Chinese have my personal information, because I've gotten so many clearances, but the point is, the Inspector General went to the Office of Personnel Management and said "these are vulnerabilities. You need to fix these things." They didn't get fixed. That's ineptitude, ladies and gentlemen. My point is this: in order to detect and repel in real time, we need some collaboration between the private sector and the public sector, because the private sector has some very important tools in this battle, and so does the public sector. And so we need, for the right reasons, at the right times, for the private and public sectors to be able to talk about what's going on on the Internet so our enemies cannot use this marvelous tool to attack us, which is what they're doing today. (APPLAUSE) MODERATOR: Martin from West Windsor, New Jersey, wants to know -- started the question on this side and rewrote it here -- "what will you do to engage Hispanic and black voters and woo them back to the party of Lincoln?" FIORINA: Let me start with what I won't do. I won't do what the Democrats do. The Democrats play identity politics, and they play identity politics by saying, "okay, you're of this identity, you're in the African-American group, and you care about this issue, and you're Hispanic, so you care about that issue, and you're a woman, so you care about these issues," and then they pit those identity groups one against the other. Here's what I will do: I will start by saying to every American, regardless of their gender, regardless of their circumstances, regardless of the color of their skin, I will say to every American, each of us is gifted by God. No one of us is any better than any other one of us. All of us can live lives of dignity and purpose and meaning. In other words, I don't believe we should change our message depending on what you look like, but I do believe we need to point out that the policies that Democrats have pursued are demonstrably holding African-Americans back and keeping them in poverty and tangling their lives up in webs of dependence. The Democrats purposefully have never resolved the immigration issue, and, if you doubt that, remember this: it is Democrats who sunk George Bush's comprehensive immigration reform plan, with all its flaws, and when President Obama ran on solving the immigration problem, and he held the White House and the House and the Senate, did he do anything to resolve immigration? No, because he doesn't really want it resolved. He wants it to be a wedge issue. So we have to go step-by-step and disentangle people's lives from those webs of dependence. Instead of discouraging them, we encourage them to move forward. We need to solve the immigration problem by starting with what we should've done 30 years ago: secure the border. This isn't rocket science! (APPLAUSE) FIORINA: And fix the legal immigration system for once and for all, and it's just an example of what I mean when I say, whatever your issue, your cause, the festering problem that you hope would've been resolved by now, how long have we been talking about the border being insecure? Twenty-five years. Every election cycle, we hear about it again. It's still insecure. This is not rocket science, ladies and gentlemen. It takes money, manpower, but mostly, apparently, it takes political willpower, and certainly it takes leadership from the Oval Office. (APPLAUSE) MODERATOR: This is totally a softball question, but it's appropriate as the last question. Diane from Mooresville, Indiana, says "what can the people in this room who like what they're hearing from you do to help your campaign? (APPLAUSE) FIORINA: Oh, Diane, we love you! I love all of you, they -- they are great questions. So, first, go on to CarlyForPresident.com. Please go on to CarlyForPresident.com and help me. Sign up. Sign up to -- whether it's your treasure or your time or your network of people that you deal with -- look. At this time in previous presidential elections, the polls, the pundits, the money said Jimmy Carter couldn't win, Ronald Reagan couldn't win, Bill Clinton couldn't win, and Barack Obama couldn't win. You know why all of those men served as president? Because people decided they wanted them to win. This is going to be an election that you, the grassroots activists of this movement, decide. So help me, stand up and decide that we're gonna take our government back. (APPLAUSE) FIORINA: Ours was intended to be a citizen government, so, citizens, let's take it back. MODERATOR: Thank you so much. FIORINA: Thank you so much, everybody, God bless you. Thank you. MODERATOR: Carly Fiorina. END
IOWA FAMILY VALUES SUMMIT 1700 RICK PERRY, LINDSEY GRAHAM, BOBBY JINDAL, RICK SANTORUM
Coverage of the The 2015 Family Leadership Summit held at Stephens Auditorium, Ames, Iowa SITDOWN CONVERSATIONS WITH RICK PERRY, SENATOR LINDSEY GRAHAM, GOVERNOR BOBBY JINDAL, AND RICK SANTORUM The FAMiLY LEADER is thrilled to partner with Frank Luntz and his team at Luntz Global Partners. At the Summit, Frank will be hosting interactive discussions with Iowans along with potential focus groups giving a unique opportunity for Iowans to gain insight about issues that affect the family. The purpose of The Family Leadership Summit is to inspire, motivate, and educate conservatives regarding worldview application and the most pressing issues facing America's families. The Summit will provide Iowans the opportunity to engage with national conservative leaders and hear their leadership vision on the issues that matter most to the future of America. Speakers include Republica presidential candidates Lindsey Graham, 5:39pm-6:01pm Bobby Jindal, 6:23pm-6:45pm Rick Santorum, 6:46pm-7:08pm ANNOUNCER: Ladies and gentlemen, please welcome back Frank Luntz, and welcome to Iowa and the 2015 Family Leadership Summit, former Texas Governor Rick Perry. (APPLAUSE) PERRY: Thank you, thank you, thank you. Do you want me on the left or the right? LUNTZ: Sure. PERRY: I normally don't like to be on the left. LUNTZ: Sit. The governor was telling me he normally doesn't like sitting down, but... PERRY: No, I said I don't like to sit on the left. LUNTZ: Oh. (APPLAUSE) OK, all the question I had prepared for you are now gone. (LAUGHTER) Again, we always begin with a question from the audience. If there was to be an investment in three different professions, I'd like to get an idea from the audience which profession would they invest in the most? One would be our teachers, who have the responsibility of educating our children, teaching them to read, and write, and act properly. The second would be our nurses, who help us stay well, and get us well if we are sick. The third would be our veterans who defend this country. (APPLAUSE) Who -- we're not investing in parents, I'm sorry, parents are not getting a tax break for that -- tonight. Who would choose teachers, applaud. (APPLAUSE) Who would choose nurses, applaud. (APPLAUSE) And who would choose veterans? (APPLAUSE) What is your reaction to that? PERRY: I would like to vote, I would like to add my voice to that. Keeping in mind that I am married to a nurse. (LAUGHTER) And a really good one. If you don't first keep this country free, if you don't first have the investment in the men and women who are willing to hold their hand up and say, here I am, send me, you will never have the dollars to hire a teacher, you will never have the dollars to hire a nurse. And I just want to take a moment. Driving back in here today from the airport, I left my grandchildren to come specially to be here with you all. And before the night is up, Lord willing, I will be back with them. But driving back in here, I heard something that was as disturbing to me as I have heard in this entire process of running for the presidency of the United States. And there was an individual who sat upon this stage earlier today, who doesn't understand or doesn't care about people who serve this country. To discharge a legitimate American hero like John McCain. You may disagree with his policies, and that's fine. I tell people all the time, it's OK to question your government. But don't question the men and women of the military who sacrificed, and sometimes pay a huge price for our safety, and our freedom, and our economics. (APPLAUSE) As an individual who has worn the uniform of this country, I was highly offended what Donald Trump said about John McCain and his years of sacrifice in a dirty, dingy, terrible prison in North Vietnam. Donald Trump owes every American veteran and in particular, John McCain, an apology. (APPLAUSE) So, to finish that thought up, I think it makes Iowans very wise in being able to identify that without a strong military, without our ability to defend and protect these values of this extraordinary country we live in, that America is lost. I want to say thank you to everyone of you who has worn the uniform of this country, that are wearing the uniform of this country today, or those of you who have helped to raise great and extraordinary patriots. Thank you for your gift to this country. (APPLAUSE) LUNTZ: Governor, this is a policy discussion rather than a political discussion, and I'm going to come right up to the line. I hope I don't cross it. If Donald trump does not apologize to John McCain, do you feel that that disqualifies him as a legitimate presidential candidate? PERRY: And as the commander-in-chief in this country, in one word, yes. (APPLAUSE) LUNTZ: As governor of Texas, you had the tremendous challenge both financially and politically, of defending a border and you were very critical of the president in how he handled it. What does the next president have to do? It's the question that more people have asked about than any other in this forum. What does the next president have to do to ensure that the promises that have been made about border security actually happen, and for you as the governor, you wanted the power to make those decisions on the border. Should the next president give those governors the power, or is it the responsibility of Washington to secure the border in Texas, Arizona, New Mexico, and California? PERRY: It is obviously the latter. Our Constitution -- understanding the Constitution is really important. I am sure the current resident of the White House, as a constitutional law professor, has studied the Constitution. For whatever reason if he doesn't want to follow it, that's another issue. But the Constitution enumerates those powers that are to be given to the federal government. One of those is to stand a strong military, and another one is to secure our border. I tell people, I say, wouldn't it be awesome if the federal government just got those two things right? (APPLAUSE) And left everything else to the states like the Tenth Amendment tell them to do, to have those powers not delegated to the federal government by the Constitution, or reserves for the states or the individuals? The Tenth Amendment really matters. But back to this issue of the border. I understand how to deal with the border. I have been dealing with it for 14 years, the last seven or eight years, in particular, we have had extraordinary challenges. And when the president came to Dallas, and I asked to meet with him, and after a short conversation on that ramp at that airport in Dallas, I realized that the president was not going to engage in his Constitutional duty. I told him, I said, "Mr. President, if you don't secure the border, Texas will." That's exactly what we did. I went back to Austin, Texas, I asked for volunteers of our Texas National Guard. We had over 2000 that volunteered. We sent a thousand to be force multipliers on that southern region of the border, where the bulk of those apprehensions were occurring, along with our Texas ranger recon teams, our parks and wildlife wardens, who were literally in the river in boats. We had a 74 percent decrease in the number of apprehensions in that southern region of the border by November. (APPLAUSE) I don't consider that to be a failure but of one place, it's a failure of the federal government when a state has to go and do the federal government's responsibility. I want to share with you one thing. You elect me your president, and the will to secure the border with Mexico and the United States will reside in the White House. (APPLAUSE) LUNTZ: What he... PERRY: And Frank, let me just share with you how... LUNTZ: What he meant to say is that whoever gets elected president will hopefully, as -- as I have to tell every person who comes here, this is not an advocacy. This is a discussion of policy, so that the family leader doesn't get into trouble. PERRY: Oh. (LAUGHTER) Let me share with you how to secure the border. And you know, there is all of this rhetoric that gets thrown out, about, you know, we will just go build a wall from here to there. I know about securing the border. You have to have personnel, and you have to have personnel in the right places. Our president didn't even know that the border patrol is 45 or 50 miles away from the border in many places in an apprehension position. We need those individuals to be on the border, in the river in many cases, in a prevention position. You put the personnel on the border, you have the strategic fencing in those metropolitan areas, and the one thing that is really missing today is the aviation assets, from Tijuana to El Paso, to Brownsville, 1,933 miles, flying 24/7, looking down with our technology, analyzing what is going on that border. When you see activities that are clearly illegal either or suspicious, you have quick response teams that go to that border. And at that particular point in time, the border with Mexico and the United States will be secured. That is how you do it. (APPLAUSE) LUNTZ: OK, we are going to go to the audience for questions. Let's start in the front with microphone two. QUESTION: Hello, I am Tracy (ph) from Mackinaw, Illinois (inaudible). I have a question regarding Obamacare. We obviously all know that it has not been good for our country. It's -- as a small business owner, it has been a disaster actually for my company, and it caused us a lot of problems. I hear over and over that we are expecting that whoever becomes president is going to repeal it. But I want to ask the question that this train has been loaded so heavily, and it is going down the hill so fast that it's difficult to stop it. Is it really possible to repeal it once we have so many people working in those jobs, we have people doing things that are difficult to just stop? PERRY: Yes, yes. And the simple answer is yes. What do you replace it with, I think is the more appropriate question. It's one that the Republican party must be able to lay out a cogent and a thoughtful approach to this. And I will suggest to you that it is done, and it goes back to, it is not the federal government's responsibility to be delivering health care in this country. (APPLAUSE) It is not the federal government's responsibility to be directing the states' curriculum on education policy. It is one of the reasons I am against Common Core. (APPLAUSE) I will suggest you it is not the federal government's responsibility to be telling the governor of Iowa and the legislature here how to build transportation infrastructure. This is a -- clearly goes back to my belief that the Tenth Amendment means what it says, and that the state's responsibility to come up with the ways to deliver health care. I know for a fact that the governors of the states, and the legislators working with the citizens and the health care providers will come up with a way to more efficiently, effectively deliver health care. One of the reasons we didn't expand Medicaid in the state of Texas is because the president himself even said this is a broken system in 2009, and I agree with him, it is a broken system. So, why in the world would I want my home state to engage in the expansion of a system that is already broken? We know that the studies that have been done, the health care results between people who don't have that Medicaid program and the ones that do, there is no difference in their results and their health care quality. So the issue for me is you let the states come up with it. They will come up with different ideas that best serve their states and their citizens, whether it's health savings accounts, whether it's -- you know, co-pays. I mean, they will come up with a broad menu of ideas about how to deliver health care. I trust these states. We know that we can deliver health care more efficiently, more effectively. That is the real answer for this, is there is no one-size-fits-all approach to this that is going to come out of Washington D.C., and we need to respect that. We need to stand up and be very open about it, and say that the states are where this health care innovation is going to come from. Louis Brandeis, this old (ph) Supreme Court justice said, listen, the states are supposed to be the laboratories of Democracy. We're supposed to -- the states are supposed to go out there and experiment, come up with novel ideas about how to deliver this government that their people want. Folks in Connecticut, and folks in Iowa, and folks in New Mexico are going to have different ideas about how to do all that. States are supposed to experiment. He said, from time to time, a state will fail, and their citizens will be impacted negatively from it. When I heard that, or read that, Frank, I always think about Colorado. (LAUGHTER) But I will defend Colorado's right to be wrong. I mean, I think that's the real issue there. Let the states have this opportunity to come up with the ways to deliver health care. And so, you repeal it and then you allow the states to reform it the way they best see fit. And I will suggest to you, and not only will Americans be healthier, they will be better served, and at the end of the day, they will be happier. (APPLAUSE) Let's do a question over here. Front left, microphone one. QUESTION: My name is Westin Cliner (ph), I am -- I live here in Ames and I work here in Ames. I am also a gay man. The reason I came to the summit today was to, was in the hopes of getting a better understanding of why people who have different views than mine, have those views, and the reasoning for having those views. PERRY: Yes, sir. QUESTION: So my question is, as a person who could potentially be elected into office, who is responsible for representing all Americans, how can a person who would push an agenda that would deny me and tens of millions of other American citizens their right to pursue happiness? In addition, what do you for, as a leader of conservatives, what do you -- what is your fear or what do you see the risk could be in allowing equal opportunities to achieve a marriage license, to gain that legal status? PERRY: Yeah, there are gonna be issues that we don't agree upon all across this country. As there -- as there always are and there always have been, and I'm -- I'm pretty much on the record about my beliefs about that marriage is between one man and one woman, and I happen to agree that... (APPLAUSE) I happen to agree with those four justices on the Supreme Court who were on the -- the losing side of that argument. But it really brings us to -- to two issues. One is, I believe with all my heart, as I have already talked about, the 10th amendment, that those decisions should be made at the states. I think that is the appropriate place for them to be made, and here is what I want to -- here is what I really want you to think about today, all of us, whether we agree with this issue or not. The next president of the United States very possibly could pick three Supreme Court justices in their term of office, and the next president's gonna be in office for the next four to eight years, but these Supreme Court justices could be in there for the next 30-50 years, I mean, certainly through my lifetime, and I think it's really important for us to think about Republicans haven't done that great a job of putting justices on the Supreme Court in the last 30-something years, if you think about. And you go back and look at those courts, look at those appointments, and whether it was Souter or whether it was Kennedy, or whether it was even Roberts -- and as the governor of Texas, for 14 years I had the great honor and privilege to appoint six of our nine Supreme Court justices, and those are credentialed conservatives, and I don't think we can take a chance as a people of having individuals be put on our court that don't understand the clear role of being a Supreme Court justice. And it is not to come up with ways to redefine definitions, it is not for them to legislate from that court, it is to be a judge. (APPLAUSE) George Will -- I'm gonna wrap up with this, Frank, but George Will wrote a column this week that I recommend all of you go take a look at. George Will wrote about Justice John Roberts and Justice Don Willett who is on the Texas Supreme Court, and about the clear difference in these two individuals' understanding about judicial supremacy, and I just want to remind you, I appointed Don Willett to the Texas Supreme Court. LUNTZ: Hold on, every person gets one question. QUESTION: He didn't answer my question, though. LUNTZ: I'm gonna -- I'm gonna do a follow up. (APPLAUSE) QUESTION: Thank you. PERRY: Please take the mic -- thank you. QUESTION: How can you ensure equal protection? I understand the policy, but this is not just about sexual choice, or gender, or age, or race, it is all of it, how do we ensure that every American has equal protection? PERRY: I gave a speech a week ago where I talk about race, I talked about poverty, I talked about the Fourteenth Amendment, and I talked about the Tenth Amendment. I think it is important for us as Americans to get back to understanding that that Fourteenth Amendment, about all people are created equal, and that they truly are, and that we respect that. Being able to put men and women on the court -- again, this goes back to truly having credentialed conservatives on this theme court. Men and women who understand that our founding fathers, and that Constitution and that Bill of Rights, that was extraordinary work. QUESTION: So to you it's the courts that will protect our basic rights, and... PERRY: Each one of us have the -- the executive branch has a role, the legislative branch has a role, and the courts have a role. They are different, but they each have a role in ensuring that the people of this country are protected, that equal rights are protected, and that our courts do not need to be in the business about being confused about being in the legislative branch. And frankly, we need a president that understands that you need it to work with the U.S. Congress, and that this unilaterally going it alone is not good for America, and it's not good for the future of this country. President Obama today... (APPLAUSE) ... I think he puts America in jeopardy, I think he puts the world i jeopardy by this go it alone -- when he can't get it done with Congress, he just says, well, I'm going to go it alone; and I do not think that is good for America, and I don't think it bodes well for the world. (APPLAUSE) LUNTZ: As a way to wrap this up, on January 20th, 2017, somebody will take the oath of office. That individual can do something within the first few hours. What should be the very first executive action, or the very first decision, or the very first comments that new president should do on January 20th, 2017? PERRY: Well, there are obviously things that the president of the United States will say in his inaugural address to bring this country together. And I think Americans are ready for a president who brings this country together, that lays out a vision that gives people hope for the future of this country, hope for their children, hope for their grandchildren. And that starts with an inaugural address that is optimistic, that is positive, that lays out a vision that both economically and militarily give people hope that we are going to live in a country that we are economically secure, and that we are secure in our safety. One of the first things I would do as president of the United States, is negate this deal with Iran, and send a clear message to our allies in the Middle East that America will be there with them, day in, and day out. And we will do everything we can to stop Iran from getting a nuclear weapon. (APPLAUSE) LUNTZ: Ladies and gentlemen, Governor Rick Perry. PERRY: Thank you. Thank you, sir. LUNTZ: Thank you. END ---------------------- JINDAL: Thank y'all very much. Thank you. (APPLAUSE) Thanks, Frank. AUDIENCE MEMBER: Go, Bobby, go. JINDAL: Thank you very much. LUNTZ: So the way that we've done it, this is the first candidate that I've actually had a chance to sit with for about 30 seconds before we begin. And I have to warn the people who are filming this, when I started this, I acknowledged that I am suffering from laryngitis. And I've actually made it this far, but there might be a moment, I can tell, in the next 20 minutes when I will depart. It is not -- has nothing to do with him, and I just don't want to mess up this very nice floor right here. My question to you all is, I know you're frustrated with the courts. I know you're frustrated with Congress, the legislation branch, and I know you're frustrated, obviously, with the president. Which of those three branches do you feel best represents what you think and the one that you feel is closest to you? You've gotta choose one of them. You don't get to chose none of them. The executive branch, applaud if the executive -- not the -- not President Obama, but of three branches, which do you feel closest to? Who says the executive branch. (APPLAUSE) It's Ms. Obama, I guess. JINDAL: Yeah, that's right. (LAUGHTER) LUNTZ: Who feels closest to the legislative branch. (APPLAUSE) LUNTZ: And the judicial branch? (APPLAUSE) You used to be a member of Congress as governor. You've thought about these issues. What is the proper role -- and I know this is getting a little bit more intellectual, but what is the proper role and relationship between the executive, the legislative and the judicial? Because the next president is going to have to set a new tone. JINDAL: You're exactly right, and first of all, thank you very much for having me. Look, I think this president -- that was a very tough question you've just asked, because we've got a president who's made it a consistent practice to ignore the Constitution, ignore the laws. As conservatives, we can't say it's OK for a Republican president to do that. We don't want to set that precedent. So on the first day, as president, I'm going to rescind his illegal amnesty orders, I'm going to rescind all the exemptions and the special rules he's made in Obamacare and go back to the rule of law. Second... (APPLAUSE) LUNTZ: Now, just -- I want you to say it -- people who've been watching all day know this. I want you to say it in terms of the next president, because this isn't a campaign appearance here. (LAUGHTER) Nobody wants to get sued. JINDAL: Alright. Secondly, in terms of the proper role of the courts, the greatest violation we've seen was two weeks when in one week, they couldn't be bothered to read a dictionary or a Constitution. (APPLAUSE) I said we might as well just get rid of the court to save some money. Hillary Clinton didn't like that. She criticized that yesterday. So I'm -- I'm a reasonable person. Let's just get rid of two thirds of the court. There're three of them I don't mind keeping. (APPLAUSE) We need justices who don't look to international law or opinion polls. If they want to make law, they should run for Congress. They need to apply the United States Constitution, not anything else. (APPLAUSE) And by the way, no earthly court can change for me the definition of marriage. As a Christian, I believe it's between a man and a woman. That is not the role for any court in this land. In terms of finally Congress, Frank, I think we need structural changes. It's not enough just to have Republicans in charge; we need term limits, balanced-budget amendment, and we need to stop them from becoming lobbyists. (APPLAUSE) LUNTZ: So what happens then -- what happens when the court makes a decision that you don't like? JINDAL: Well... LUNTZ: The court decided what a marriage is. Are you going to ignore that as president? JINDAL: Well, as president, what... LUNTZ: Should the president ignore it? JINDAL: I like the way you asked that the first time, by the way. But that's alright. (LAUGHTER) You broke your own rules, but that's alright. LUNTZ: Thank you for that. JINDAL: The next president -- I'll get better -- the next president, I think should do what we did in Louisiana: Issue an executive order immediately, saying the federal government will not discriminate or take action against any individual or business that has a traditional view of marriage. We're not going to threaten their tax rights, not going to fire them... (APPLAUSE) The next president will appoint as many as one to four Supreme Court justices. Hearing my frustration, how many of you were wondering how the Democratic justices were going to rule? Nobody. We all knew how they were going to rule. We're here because of Roberts and Kennedy. (BOOING) The Democrats, though, were nominated by Republicans. When the Democrats nominate justices, they nominate liberals, and they make no apologies for it, and a bunch of Senate Republicans vote to confirm them. When Republicans nominate justices, we all -- our presidents pretend. They say, "We're going to find someone who's never made a ruling, somebody who's never had a legal riding, and we're going to pretend that we don't have any idea what they believe." Why not instead say, "You know what? I'm nominating a conservative who will apply the Constitution. I'll find somebody from the Federalist Society." (APPLAUSE) I want a Scalia. I want a Thomas. I want an Alito. I don't want a Roberts, a Kennedy, and I certainly don't want any of the other four, those types of justices on this court. (APPLAUSE) LUNTZ: And I'm going to open up to questions in a moment, so if you've got questions for the governor, please line up at the microphones. But I just want to clear. You're saying that even if the Supreme Court says, "This is the law of the land," you're prepared -- you think the next president should say to the Supreme Court, "I'm sorry. You're wrong"? JINDAL: Well, look, clearly... LUNTZ: That's significant. JINDAL: Clearly, the Supreme Court is wrong. I mean, they can't change what God has created an institute. But a couple things. I am for the federal laws and constitutional amendments that'll get us our 10th amendment rights back, I am for the federal constitutional amendment that defines marriage between a man and a woman. The executive... LUNTZ: (inaudible) the whole constitution? JINDAL: I'm for the whole constitution. LUNTZ: Everything? JINDAL: And that's why I'm for an executive order and a law that reinforces -- this isn't new law. Our first amendment rights -- the founding fathers put this in the first amendment, saying we've got religious liberty rights. The government should not be able to fire me, the government should not be able to take away my tax status, the government should not be able to discriminate against me for being a Christian and wanting to live my life according to my beliefs. That's what's happening today. (APPLAUSE) LUNTZ: So, I wanna raise something that might be a little bit difficult, but I'm familiar, obviously, with your career, I've known you for a while... JINDAL: Sure. LUNTZ: ... and I know that early in your career you faced some -- some discrimination, and that some believe that you did not get one of the offices that you sought because the people voted based on your ethnicity rather than your ideas and your record. What -- can you explain what it's like to go through that, to know that you deserve that job, but because of your ethnicity you're being denied it? JINDAL: Well, a couple of things, I've never, look, I've never believed I've been discriminated against. I do think the Democrats tried, they ran -- they've run adds, they have attacked me, they have attacked me for being a Christian, they've tried to -- to say false things about me. Frank, my experience has been this. I think, as Americans, we need to stop the hyphenated Americans and the divisions. We are not African-Americans or Asian-Americans, or rich or poor American, we're all Americans... (APPLAUSE) JINDAL: ... and this is very important for me, and I say this to my children as well, I say this not only as a governor, but as a father, I'm not a victim. We've got too many victims in this country. This president's trying to turn us all into victims. I think I'm the best candidate to be president. I wouldn't run if I didn't, but I'm gonna win, not based on the color of my skin, I'm gonna win based on my ideas, my experience, what we have done, and the fact that I'm willing to go to D.C. and take on the establishment in both the Republican and the Democratic parties to get us off the path of socialism. LUNTZ: Of course, being the next president will (inaudible). OK. We're gonna go to questions, so we've got someone in the front left, microphone one. QUESTION: Welcome to Iowa, it is paradise here. JINDAL: Thank you, it's a little warm but yeah, it's paradise, I'll -- I'll agree with you there. QUESTION: This is a -- a question related, in the existing culture war going on. What should the next president do to restore, take back, and continue to maintain my freedoms and my liberties and that of everybody else in this auditorium? JINDAL: That's a great question, so in terms of restoring our liberties, I think there are at least three things the next president -- the next president has to do. Number one, we've talked about this a little bit, right now, the left is trying to take God out of the public square. They're trying to secularize our country and I have said this before, you have heard me and I'm gonna keep saying this until Hillary Clinton understand it. America did not create religious liberty, religious liberty created the United States of America. (APPLAUSE) JINDAL: The next president's gotta be ready to fight the New York Times, the ACLU, the Washington Post and whoever gets in our way so that we don't give up our first amendment rights. Secondly, we've got to rein in the IRS. We need a lower, flatter tax code so they are not running our lives. (APPLAUSE) JINDAL: Third, we need to explicitly tell these bureaucracies and agencies what they're not allowed to do. So, the Federal Department of Education has no business trying to push Common Core in our classrooms. (APPLAUSE) JINDAL: The EPA has no business trying to regulate water in your backyard. (APPLAUSE) JINDAL: The DOJ has no right trying to take away your second amendment rights to own firearms. (APPLAUSE) JINDAL: I'm ready -- I'm so sick and tired of all these scandals. I'm ready for some of these bureaucrats to lose their jobs, lose their benefits, and go to prison. (APPLAUSE) JINDAL: You throw some of these IRS or some of these other bureaucrats in jail, you won't have these scandals again. They're all getting bonuses, nobody's getting fired after all of these -- so those are three things we can -- we gotta shrink government to restore our freedom. (APPLAUSE) LUNTZ: You're critical of the press, they're sitting right in front of you. He's right there. JINDAL: New York Times or Washington Post, which one? LUNTZ: What are you -- I'm not choosing. JINDAL: I'm not critical of all of them... LUNTZ: I believe in your right to choose. What's -- what are you critical of. JINDAL: Look, I'm not -- I am critical when the mainstream media, when they are not -- they don't apply the same standards to this president that they apply to the rest of us. (APPLAUSE) LUNTZ: Stop, ok. That is the first question I actually now think I should not have asked, and in my normal role I would actually then give the people here a chance to to respond, and I don't have that opportunity. JINDAL: Oh, they gets lots of ink (ph). They'll respond, don't worry, I'll get -- I know what the stories are gonna say. But let me -- let say this. If we nominate a Republican that wants to be liked by the media, that wants to be liked by the establishment, wants to go to the pool cocktail parties, we are done. (APPLAUSE) JINDAL: The -- the smart people in the D.C. tell you you can't do (inaudible), you can't balance the budget, you can't really repeal the Obamacare. They'll tell you, you can't really be smart and conservative. You can't be smart and religious. My message to them is you need to get out more, get out of D.C., go into the real world, meet some real Americans. (APPLAUSE) LUNTZ: I'm gonna be looking at his copy tomorrow from all of you to see what it is. Are we out of -- I do remind because we're heading towards the end of this, and I want everyone who wants to speak to get a chance to ask a question. So, if you've asked a question already today, you should give someone else the opportunity to. We have someone over here who wants to ask a question. QUESTION: Thank you. Hi, Governor Jindal. JINDAL: Hi, how are you? QUESTION: I have a question. Since we are a nation of laws (ph), as the new president comes in, what would the president do to actually enforce the laws, such as Sanctuary City, since the federal law says you cannot harbor illegal aliens? Yet, if you get to choose which laws you want to enforce, how can we just enforce the laws and live by the laws? JINDAL: That is a great question. So you've got -- absolutely. (APPLAUSE) JINDAL: So you've got today, you've got the president saying he's gonna pick and choose which immigration laws he's gonna enforce, you've got Sanctuary Cities. Now here's the argument, they're violating federal law but they're getting federal grants for the very purpose of the law they're not enforcing. They're getting dollars to lock up people that are here illegally, to detain them, turn them over to I.C.E., they're not doing that. They're still getting those grants. You've got the Supreme Court rewriting the law. So, as president, the next president needs to first, not only overturn those executive orders, but secondly, make it very clear -- you know, this president keeps saying he's got the power of the pen and the phone. Well, if he's got the power of the open and the phone, secure the border, don't talk about it. (APPLAUSE) JINDAL: We don't need a 1,000-page bill. If he -- the only good of a 1,000-page bill is you can stack it up against the wall at the border, it might help. That's the only reason you need 1,000 pages. (APPLAUSE) JINDAL: When it comes to those Sanctuary Cities, cut off their federal funding, make sure that ICS is actually going and getting the folks when they detain them, because they're not doing that today. There's a law called Kay's law (ph) that I support -- you may have seen this in response to the horrific murder in San Francisco -- that would say if somebody has been deported, they come back illegally, they should be convicted, it should be a five-year sentence. They should be a felony if they do that. There needs to be real consequences. We can't have people picking and choosing the laws. You know, the left loves to tell us, well look, you've got to follow the law except when they don't want to follow the law, when it comes to "Obamacare" and immigration, the laws they don't like. (APPLAUSE) LUNTZ: You're going to -- the next president has to be able to work with the Democrats; it cannot just be your way or the highway. You've done a very good job of describing what's wrong with them. How are they -- how are you ever going to work with them? Why would they ever work with you? JINDAL: It's a great question. So look, three things. President Reagan got tax cuts, reinvested in the Pentagon, and won the Cold War, even though he had a Democratic majority in Congress. How did he do it? He didn't compromise his principles, he went around Congress to the American people and he convinced them he was right. You've got to make structural changes in Congress. Not just Democrats, I'm going to have trouble working with some of these Republicans in Congress, too. It's not just the Democrats. (APPLAUSE) Well, that's not exactly -- they're going to have trouble with me, I'm not going to have trouble with them. I'm not real worried about that. I think you need term limits, I don't think we need a permanent governing class. They go to become members of Congress, they become lobbyists. (APPLAUSE) We need a part-time legislature. What the Founding Fathers intended was they left their jobs, they left their farms, they left their factories, worked part-time, came up back home to live under the same rules and regulations that applied for the rest of us. (APPLAUSE) LUNTZ: So I'm going to -- and I'm going to ask you again. Is there anything -- can you name three issues where you will find it relatively easy to get something done with the Democrats? JINDAL: Sure. Well look, in Louisiana -- and this is my third point. In Louisiana, we did, for example, school choice reform, where the dollars follow the child instead of the child following the dollars. We trust parents. (APPLAUSE) Whether it's home schooling, private schools, we trust parents -- public schools -- we trust parents. Fifty percent of the Senate Democrats, a quarter of the House Democrats voted for that. A lot of children that are in some of the worst public school today are in the poorest zip codes, that's not right. And a lot of Democrats understand that the teacher unions are standing in the way of those kids getting a great education. They will work with us on school choice. (APPLAUSE) Secondly, the next president has to stand with Israel, has to stop Iran from becoming a nuclear power, has to declare war on radical Islamic terrorism by name. (APPLAUSE) There are Democrats that want to stand with Israel. There are Democrats that are national security Democrats that are Americans first before we are Democrats, before we are Republicans that will work with us. (APPLAUSE) Third, we've got to grow our private sector economy. Look, as an example, this president has turned his back on energy, has turned his back on the Keystone Pipeline. There are private-sector unions that want those good paying manufacturing and energy-related jobs in our country. There are Democrats that will work with me, or the next president, will work with the next president to bring good paying jobs back to America by reining in the EPA, cutting and lowering taxes. Reagan's -- the last time we had successful tax reform, lower and flatter taxes, was actually back in Reagan, in the late 80's was bipartisan -- the reason I say -- both parties have to give up their carve-outs and special interests. That means Republicans and Democrats. (APPLAUSE) And by the way, I say we should pay them on a per diem basis. Let me be clear, I mean pay them every day they stay outside of D.C., not every day they go to D.C. (APPLAUSE) The Republicans aren't going to like that either. LUNTZ: In the very back, back left, Microphone three. QUESTION: Hello. I just want to thank you so much for being the first person to investigate Planned Parenthood Louisiana and for speaking up for that. (APPLAUSE) JINDAL: Thank you. QUESTION: My question isn't about that, it's about welfare abuse. I have been a recipient of that as a minor and it's helped me and it's helped feed my family and feed me as a child. But nowadays, there is more people on welfare than ever and there's a lot of abuse, and I'm wondering how you would handle that and how you would handle people abusing the system? JINDAL: That's a great question. And so -- look, my wife teases me. She says if she asks me what I want for dinner, everything is three parts. I always say I've got three things. I don't why that happens, but there are three things I want to say in response to that. One, one of the most successful reforms in the '90s, bipartisan, was welfare reform. And the idea was welfare should be temporary, it should help people get back on their feet and they should go to work or get an education. But there had to be accountability there. (APPLAUSE) This president has systematically worked to undermine those reforms, and I believe by administrative and other actions has weakened some of those reforms. We've got to get back to the work requirements, the eligibility enforcement, and we've got to stop -- and this brings me to my second point, we've got to change our culture. We've got to move away from a culture of dependence where we celebrate dependence instead of celebrating people getting good paying private sector jobs. That is a cultural -- - (APPLAUSE) This is an administration -- look, give Bernie Sanders credit. At least he's honest, at least he admits he's a socialist. (APPLAUSE) Hilly Clinton and President Obama, they're no better, they're just not honest about it. They want government -- they celebrate record high food stamps and record low participation rates in the workforce. They are changing the American Dream. The most dangerous thing they're trying to do is change the definition of America, and we've got to stop that, otherwise, we will be Europe. The third thing, I trust states, and so I think there need to be -- when it -- whether it's Medicaid or other aspects of welfare, give global grants to the states and give them flexibility, give them accountability. I bet you if you secretly surveyed Democratic governors and say we'll give you $0.85 on the dollar for some of these programs but we'll give you freedom from the red tape and bureaucracy, it's not just the Republicans that would take that. I bet you there are Democrats that would anonymously say absolutely we can do a better job because the federal government wastes so much money in these one-size-fits all programs. So there are legal reforms. We can get back to the spirit of the '90s bipartisan welfare reform. But folks, I'm telling you, we have got to fight to get our culture back. The American Dream is about growth and opportunity, it's not about redistribution, envy, or government dependence and that's what at stake. (APPLAUSE) LUNTZ: Ladies and gentlemen, Governor Jindal. That was a better ending. I never knew you were that good. I'm sorry you're not doing well. JINDAL: God bless you all. Thank you all very much. END ------ ANNOUNCER: Please welcome back Frank Luntz, and welcome to Iowa and to the 2015 Family Leadership Summit, South Carolina's United States senator, Lindsey Graham. (APPLAUSE) GRAHAM: Thank you very much. Thank you, thank you. Wow. More roads for Iowa. LUNTZ: How many visits have you made to Iowa so far? GRAHAM: Oh, more than a half a dozen, and that's why I say more roads for Iowa. We need to improve your roads here, like in South Carolina. (LAUGHTER) You can't get there from here. Everything is two hours and fifteen minutes from the other place, but it's worth the travel, because there's nice people when you get there. LUNTZ: I have never had someone walked out and take a shot at a state before, so that's... (LAUGHTER) GRAHAM: I feel... LUNTZ: Usually, I am the idiot who does that. GRAHAM: I feel their pain. LUNTZ: So, here is your question now, and it is a question that is pretty serious. What is the balance between results and principles? We've had a pretty long conversation, and I admire the fact that you all -- in fact, let me thank you all for being quick with your questions, being insightful with your approach, for participating, and for being engaged. I hear that the coverage that people are tuning in, and they are watching this, and they appreciate what you are saying. So, Iowa, you should be proud of yourselves today. GRAHAM: Here, here. (APPLAUSE) LUNTZ: So the question is the balance of principle and results. And I'm going to use the 80 percent number, because this was Ronald Reagan's number; he suggested if you can get 80 percent of what you are trying to do, it is perfectly fine to compromise the other 20 percent, because in the end, you had to get something done. There are others today who believe that 80 percent is not enough, that we should be fighting. If we actually believe in something, then there is no reason to compromise, even if nothing happens. So, please give us an indication, do you prefer candidates who will provide a record of accomplishment for conservative principles at about 80 percent and get things done, or do you want to fight for the 95 or 100 percent because you want them to stand for principle, and not give in, at all? Who prefers the 80 percent candidate? (APPLAUSE) And actually, I need to correct that, it's the 80 percent leader. Who prefers a 100 percent leader? (APPLAUSE) OK, so this is one of the great challenges the next president will face, when to compromise and when to fight for principle. When will you not compromise, when will you go to the wall, on what are those topics should the next president should say, there are no other alternative, this is the way it's going to be? GRAHAM: Well, I am not going to compromise when it comes to defeating radical, because you get nothing for second place. (APPLAUSE) We are in a religious war, don't you think? They would kill everybody in this room, if they could. LUNTZ: Do you think -- do you all -- how many of you, by applause, think that we are in a religious war? (APPLAUSE) GRAHAM: So I would never compromise national security, because without that, everything else is talk. I would never compromise the American dream, because without that, we are just another nation. What is the American dream? Picking your own leader, criticizing your government, raising your children the way that you would like. Working hard and making something of yourself. That is worth dying for. We as a nation better get our act together quickly, we're are becoming Greece, somebody better do something about it. (APPLAUSE) To the 100 percenters out there, how do you become -- how do you save the country from becoming Greece without getting a Democrat to help you? I don't know how to do that. How many of you are on Social Security? How many of you want to be on Social Security? What would I do to save Social Security? Whatever it took, because when I was 21, my mom died, a year later, my dad died. I'm 22, my sister is 13. We owned a restaurant, a liquor store, and a pool room. This might be a good present -- I ran the pool room. My mom had Hodgkin's disease. We got completely wiped out because we were under insured, so I don't need a lecture from a Democrat about health care. If it were not for my aunt and uncle helping raise my sister, I wouldn't have made it. If it was not for my family, my friends and my faith, I would not be sitting here today. We got Social Security survivor benefits to help my family, because my sister was a minor. I'm 60 years old, I'm not married, I do not have any kids. What would I do to save Social Security for people who need it more than I do? Almost anything. I would give up some of my benefits to save it for those who needed it more. I work with a Democrat to save Medicare and Social Security, because if we do not, we are all going down together. (APPLAUSE) Remember Ronald Reagan and Tip O'Neill? They adjusted the age of retirement in the '80s to save Social Security from bankruptcy. Barack Obama has done nothing but talk. He had a chance to do something about our national debt, sent some bowls. He threw it in the garbage can, you cannot tell the left something they do not want to hear. I guarantee you, I will tell the right what I think is best for America, and I get us in the middle if that is what it takes to save the country. (APPLAUSE) LUNTZ: You raised it, and I have not done it as much in this forum as I would have liked to. You lost your parents at a very early age, both of them. If they were sitting right where those two reporters are right now, if they had those seats right there, they would see that there son was a United States senator, and a candidate for president of the United States. What would you tell them? GRAHAM: That Darlene (ph) turned out really good. (APPLAUSE) And I tried hard, and thanks to you I have come a long way. LUNTZ: I know they can hear you. GRAHAM: Love is not the size of the house, it is what happens inside the house. I was well loved. To all of those kids who are not well loved, I feel so sorry for you. This is a family leadership council, we are all one car wreck away from needing somebody's help. I am a proud Republican, but there is a time and a place for government. I have been on my knees, and some people helped me get up, and I am glad I had college loans for my sister, I'm glad that Social Security was there. If I got to be president of the United States, I would make sure that we did the right thing and hard thing, because the country needs a leader and Barack Obama has been a miserable failure as president. (APPLAUSE) LUNTZ: It's one of the things... GRAHAM: I feel like I'm on Oprah, I'm sorry. LUNTZ: What does that make me? (LAUGHTER) GRAHAM: I'll get back with you on that. Makes you a billionaire. LUNTZ: I know there is something else that concerns you, as a veteran, which is what has happened at our V.A. hospitals. But how did it get to be this bad? GRAHAM: Monopolies are bad, do you agree? A monopoly is bad. When you're in a monopoly, you get whatever they decide to give to you. There are a lot of people in the V.A. that work hard, let's don't slam everybody in the V.A. But let's admit to ourselves the V.A. system is a monopoly. This is what America's going to look like if you implement Obamacare. (APPLAUSE) This is exactly where we're headed. So if I'm president of the United States, the number one job for the next president of the United States, and the one after that, and the one after that, is to defend this nation. If you do not take care of your veterans, how can you do it? So, to every veteran out there, here's the deal I would have with you. I would give you a card to go to any doctor, any hospital you would like to go to, any time you needed to go; and if the V.A. served you well, you would keep going there. If you didn't like the V.A., we would shut that facility down. I'd give you choice. Competition is the only way to make the V.A. do better. (APPLAUSE) Whatever that policy cost. LUNTZ: So why doesn't that happen? Why not pass it through the House, pass it through the Senate and have the president sign it? GRAHAM: Well, one, you've got who are hard -- well, it's hard to convince some people to give up government monopolies. We have choice, now, if you live over 40 miles away from a V.A. clinic, but it too people to die to get that choice. We have choice now, if you have to wait over 30 days, but it took people to die. What you need is a president of the United States who will say "We're going to change the system and I dare you to get in my way." (APPLAUSE) Speaking of veterans, John McCain was one of the guys who pushed the system that we have today. Senator McCain is the chairman of the Armed Services Committee, and I'm glad he is. He is my friend. He has served our country in a unique way. Through Senator McCain, I've met some incredible people, his fellow POWs. Never heard of Bud Day... (APPLAUSE) ... he was captured, but I don't think he was a loser. (APPLAUSE) So, we've had a discussion today about being captured and about service. If you really want to be commander in chief and you are serious about that job, the last thing you would ever do is say anything that would show disrespect for anybody who has served. (APPLAUSE) I just retired from the Air Force after 30 years, and let me tell you who I think is an American hero, the family who stays behind, the spouse who's raising the kids when the mom and dad are deployed. I have been a military lawyer in a unit that was deployed in the first Gulf War. I know exactly what the families go through. When the phone rings at night, you jump out of your skin. When some car comes up the driveway you don't expect, your heart skips a beat. John McCain and every other POW deserves our respect and our admiration. LUNTZ: I had to ask you... (APPLAUSE) ... I have to ask you the direct question. If he does not apologize to Senator McCain, does that disqualify, in your mind, Donald Trump from being a candidate? GRAHAM: I believe in democracy, don't you? Let me tell you how this works, Frank. The good people of Iowa, the good people of New Hampshire, and the good people of South Carolina are gonna figure this out, and here is what I think they're gonna say, "Donald Trump you're fired." (APPLAUSE) LUNTZ: There's no way I'm gonna follow up with that question. Audience, we're gonna go to microphone three in the back left. QUESTION: Yes, I -- I think when we look in the -- in the mirror, the enemy is us, because we buy the oil from the Middle East countries that give them the money to go and buy guns train ISIS, and do all that stuff. We have enough oil in the upper Midwest of our country, why in the world can we not get the keystone deal done? Let's keep passing it until the president's veto ink goes dry, and let's this country moving again. GRAHAM: Yay, all right. (APPLAUSE) I am tired of borrowing money from a communist dictatorship to run our government. So, that's why I want to get us out of debt. The 80 million baby boomers are gonna return the next 25 years, of which I am one. We're gonna want ourselves some security checks and we'll want our Medicare bills paid. I'll get to energy in a minute. The bottom line is, we're gonna wipe out Social Security, Medicare, and become Greece, because we're down to two workers for every retiree in about 25 years. By 2030, all the taxes you pay is going to pay Medicare, Social Security, Medicaid and interest on the debt. If we don't reform entitlements, like Ronald Reagan and Tip O'Neill, if we don't flatten out the tax code and take some of the money to pay down debt, and get Democrats to work with us, we're gonna lose the American dream. I am not going to let that happen if I am president. As to energy, I would build a pipeline and so would every other Republican. I would explore for oil and gas off the coast of South Carolina, Virginia and Georgia, because there's a lot to be found there. If we got it, I want it. (APPLAUSE) But you ask the question, why doesn't she, Hillary Clinton, want to build the pipeline? You got 16 people to choose from. Here's the test. Can we beat Hillary? If we can't beat her, it's all talk. I can beat her. (APPLAUSE) Let me tell you why. I would say, "Why in the world don't you want to build the pipeline? They're going to sell the oil from the oil sands, which I've actually been to, to China if we don't buy it. That's really stupid, Hillary. Tell the environmentalists they're whatever." (LAUGHTER) And if you're looking for something new, folks, she ain't it. (APPLAUSE) If you like the six and a half years, soon to be eight, then you're going to love the next four with her. And let me say this, Frank. Her definition of "flat broke" and mine are a bit different. (APPLAUSE) I can show you flat broke, and after two terms in the White House, that ain't it. We need to beat her. I think I can beat her. I think at the end of the day, she's been the architect of a failed foreign policy. Getting a straight answer out of her about Iran is like pulling teeth. It's easier to talk to the leader of North Korea than it is her. (APPLAUSE) She can't hide forever. And I'll ask her about the pipeline, but I'll also ask her about Benghazi. Where the hell were you... (APPLAUSE) ... when those people needed you the most? How could you allow it to become a death trap? How could you not know they needed your help? Why did your people say five times no to additional security, and why did you and Susan Rice lie to the American people about how they died? (APPLAUSE) LUNTZ: (OFF-MIKE) five standing ovations. GRAHAM: Then we'll talk about Obamacare and why you're for that. Because you sold it better than he did. Sorry. Go ahead. That was a good answer on the pipeline, I thought. LUNTZ: Just want you to know, there've only been five standing ovations today, and that's a significant response. GRAHAM: That's alright. We're not counting. It only matters what happens at the end. I hope we're cheering in November 2016. (APPLAUSE) LUNTZ: Let's take a question from the front left, microphone one. QUESTION: Good afternoon, Senator. I'm here with my friend, Julie, because we're the leaders of the Global Health Club at Iowa State University, and we know... GRAHAM: Go Cyclones. QUESTION: ... that one of President Bush's greatest foreign-policy decisions was the creation of the president's emergency plan for AIDS relief, which has saved millions of lives... GRAHAM: Absolutely. QUESTION: ... stabilized global security and affirmed our nation's commitment to global health. But unfortunately, under the Obama administration, this program has been cut for years, and last week, the Senate committee you lead failed to restore the funding we need to keep the program on track. And we're wondering if you'll live up to your promises by restoring PEPFAR funding by $300 million by the end of the year. GRAHAM: I don't know if I can close the gap, but I'll try. Sequestration's killing this account. Do you understand what she's talking about? Do you remember George W. Bush? (APPLAUSE) I miss him. I don't know about y'all. About 10 years ago -- I can't remember exactly when it was -- early on his presidency, he invested $40 billion over a period of time to fight AIDS in Africa. Anybody here go to church? (APPLAUSE) Do any of you support mission work in Africa? (APPLAUSE) Don't you think God blesses you when you're helping the least among us? (APPLAUSE) Let me tell you about Lindsey Graham, Africa and AIDS and helping people. The $40 billion that we spent saved an entire generation of African children from almost certain death from AIDS, and now we're dealing with malaria. 75-percent reduction in mother-to-child AIDS transmission in the last decade. Babies alive today because you, the American taxpayer, helped people in Africa who are going to die without your help. Rick Warren and all the NGOs, faith-based organizations on the ground in Africa, God bless you. If I'm president of the United States, we're going to restore the funding. But if you do not deal with the entitlement program, where all the money goes to pay Medicare and Social Security, there won't be a dime left for the military, a dime left to help people in Africa. The reason I want to help people in Africa, it makes us safer here. I want customers for our products. I think America's at her best when she's leading the world. As to foreign assistance, it's 1 percent of the budget. When it comes to radical Islam, here's my policy: Whatever it takes as long as it takes to defeat these guys. (APPLAUSE) Now, how do you defeat radical Islam? You keep them from preying on the poor and the orphaned. You help people because it's good for you. You build a small schoolhouse for a poor young girl in a remote village, which is a bigger threat to radical Islam, giving her an education, than any bomb you could drop on their head. This is a generational struggle, folks. (APPLAUSE) These are religious Nazis. They can't be dealt with. They have to be degraded and eventually destroyed, and the way we're going to do it is partnering with people in the region. We're going to help them help themselves. We're going to build lines of defenses between us and radical Islam. If I'm president, they're not coming here again. We're going to rebuild our defenses, and we're going to go after these bastards and kill every one of them if we have to. There is no other way to do it. (APPLAUSE) And in the process, we're going to help people. (APPLAUSE) Sorry for the bad word. (LAUGHTER) That was actually one of the words that Bob gave me that I was not allowed to use during this (inaudible). GRAHAM: I apologize. LUNTZ: So I'm glad you did. GRAHAM: I can't wait to -- I can't wait to be commander-in-chief. I can't wait to be the leader of the free world. I'm tired of leading from behind. We are cutting our military to the bone. You're worried about PEPFAR? You ought to be worried about the Army. We have the smallest Army since 1940. Does that make any sense to you? We have the smallest Navy since 1915. If I'm president of the United States, we're going to rebuild our military, we're going to send them back over there to partner with other people, and we're going to take the gloves off. (APPLAUSE) And to the ayatollah, if I'm president, we're going to set this deal aside, because it's a crazy deal. To our friends in Israel, you're going to have a partner in the White House, not an enemy in the White House. (APPLAUSE) God blesses those who bless the State of Israel. To the ayatollah, you're not going to get a penny unless you change your behavior. You're never going to be able to buy another bullet if I'm president, and when it comes to your nuclear program, you're not going to have a bomb, and if you choose to go down that path and you want a war with the United States, you will lose it. (APPLAUSE) LUNTZ: Ladies and gentleman, Senator Lindsey Graham. (APPLAUSE) There's no way I can close better than that. GRAHAM: Thank you very much. END
CAMPAIGN 2012 / WN MUIR ROMNEY MATERIAL
DAVID MUIR INTV W/ REPUBLICAN PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE MITT ROMNEY MUIR CAMERA/2 SHOT MUIR CAM WIDE SHOT 18:19:13 18:03:03 DM: GOVERNOR THANK YOU FOR DOING THIS. 18:19:14 18:03:04 MR: THANK YOU // DM: I SURE APPRECIATE THE TIME - I KNOW YOU HAVE A VERY BUSY SCHEDULE. 18:19:15 18:03:09 DM: SO WE HAVE THE DEBATE TOMORROW NIGHT. WE'RE AWARE OF NEWT GINGRICH'S SURGING POLL NUMBERS AND SO A LOT OF PEOPLE WANT TO KNOW - ARE YOU GOING TO TAKE ON NEWT GINGRICH TOMORROW NIGHT? 18:19:17 18:03:21 MR: WELL WE'LL BE TALKING ABOUT ISSUES OF COURSE, AND WE HAVE DIFFERENT VIEWS ON SOME ISSUES AND WE'LL BE TALKING ABOUT THOSE DIFFERENCES, THAT'S AFTER ALL THE NATURE OF A DEBATE. 18:19:24 18:03:31 MR: WE'LL DESCRIBE DIFFERENT VIEWPOINTS ON MATTERS OF CONSEQUENCE AND RIGHT NOW AMERICA IS FACING A VERY IMPORTANT DECISION - ARE WE GOING TO KEEP GOING DOWN THE PATH TOWARDS EUROPE OR ARE WE GOING TO RESTORE AMERICA? 18:19:32 18:03:38 DM: BUT DO YOU HAVE TO AGGRESSIVELY TAKE HIM ON AT THIS POINT TO STOP THESE SURGING POLL NUMBERS FOR HIM? 18:19:35 18:03:42 MR: WELL OVER THE LAST FEW DEBATES WE'VE TALKED ABOUT DIFFERENCES BETWEEN MYSELF AND OTHER CANDIDATES. RICK PERRY FOR INSTANCE - HE AND I WENT AT IT ON SOCIAL SECURITY AND ON IMMIGRATION AND I'D EXPECT NEWT GINGRICH AND I WILL HAVE SOME DIFFERENCES AND WE'LL BE ABLE TO DISCUSS THOSE AS WELL. 18:19:50 18:03:57 DM: IN THE LAST 24 HOURS YOUR SURROGATES HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT GINGRICH, SAYING HE IS QUOTE, UNRELIBLE, UNTRUSTWORTHY, DO YOU BELIEVE NEWT GINGRICH IS UNTRUSTWORTHY? 18:20:00 18:04:06 MR: WELL THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT WORKED FOR SPEAKER GINGRICH IN THE PAST AND THEY'RE GOING TO SAY WHATEVER THEY WILL AND HEAVEN KNOWS I CAN'T WRITE A SCRIPT FOR ALL THE PEOPLE WHO SUPPORT ME. 18:20:10 18:04:17 MR: MY OWN VIEW IS THAT ALL THE PEOPLE ON THE REPUBLICAN SIDE THAT I'VE SEEN ON THAT STAGE RUNNING AGAINST BARACK OBAMA WOULD DO A BETTER JOB THAN BARACK OBAMA. THE DIFFERENCE I HAVE WITH SPEAKER GINGRICH IS ON ISSUES - AND I'LL BE TALKING ABOUT THOSE DIFFERENCES. 18:20:23 18:04:30 DM: BUT THESE ARE YOUR SURROGATES, AND ON THIS NOTION OF UNTRUSTWORTHINESS - DO YOU FIND HIM UNTRUSTWORTHY? 18:20:29 18:04:35 MR: YEAH AGAIN I DON'T WRITE THE SCRIPT FOR WHAT OTHER PEOPLE SAY - I'LL DESCRIBE MY OWN DIFFERENCES WITH THE SPEAKER BASED UP ON THE ISSUES WHERE WE HAVE PRETTY DISTINCT DIFFERENCES. ONE OF THE MOST STRIKING WAS THE REACTION TO THE MEDICARE REFORM PLAN PROPOSED BY PAUL RYAN. 18:20:44 18:04:51 MR: I THINK THE SPEAKER CALLED THAT RIGHT WING SOCIAL ENGINEERING PLAN. I CALL IT A MAJOR STEP FORWARD. AND MY OWN PLAN IS VERY SIMILAR TO PAUL RYAN'S.WE HAVE DIFFERENCES ON THAT AND OTHER ISSUES. 18:20:54 18:05:01 DM: But Paul Ryan's plan would change medicare as we know it. 18:20:58 18:05:06 MR: I certainly hope we'll be able to sustain medicare over a long period of time and make sure that it is financially stable, and Paul Ryan's plan, like mine, does not change the plan for current retirees or new retirees, but for young people coming along it says you're now going to get a premium support payment that allows you either to purchase the standard medicare like we have today, or a private plan. That kind of change is fundamental, it's important, and in my view its essential to maintain the fiscal stability of medicare. TOOK A HIT THE REFEED HERE: 18:21:27 18:07:25 DM (SHOT PULLS TO A TWO SHOT) - On immigration I heard you talking in the town hall that you don't propose going around the country and rounding up millions who are here illegally, that you propose some sort of transition period. What does that mean? Would they stay in the country? Do they get in line here? 18:21:42 18:07:42 (SHOT PUSHES BACK INTO MITT ISO) MR: Well my view on immigration is that we should focus exclusively on securing our border. That we need to make sure that people do not come into the country illegally and once we have shown and demonstrated that we can do that, we can discuss what we're going to do with a plan relating to our current illegal immigrants. I don't think anyone has proposed going around the country to round up 11 million people and deport them all at once. There's going to have to be a period as we secure our border and then put into place a plan to have those people who want to become legal residents go to their home country, apply and get in the back of the line. By virtue of having come here illegally, they should not be treated on a more favorable basis than those who stayed in line in their own countries. 18:22:23 18:08:25 DM: So when you say they have to get to the back of the line, that's in their home country. They would leave this country, go home and get in line with everybody else? 18:22:30 18:08:29 MR: That's correct. 18:22:31 18:08:33 DM: Let me ask you about this. We're here reporting on you in this town hall in Iowa and newt gingrich is in Washington today selling and signing books. What do you make of that? 18:22:41 18:08:40 MR: You know, ah, I'm not going to talk about the speaker's campaign. He's going to do what he thinks is best for his campaign. I'm going to do what's best for mine and be in Iowa and New Hampshire in particular because these first two states get things started. But of course its going to be a long road. I don't know how long this process will take. I doubt it's going to be over in a couple of weeks. It's going to take much longer than that. We want to have a campaign that can go the full distance and gather for me the 11 hundred and 50 some odd delegates that I need to become the nominee. 18:23:11 18:09:11 DM: But where does a candidate draw the line between selling books, holding book signings, and being out here in Iowa campaigning? 18:23:18 18:09:19 MR: You know again that's up to the speaker as to what he does with his time. I'm spending my time raising money for a campaign to make sure that we have what it takes to go the distance, and at the same time campaigning, town meeting to town meeting, answering questions on the part of voters. I want folks here in Iowa to go to the caucuses. I want folks in New Hampshire that know me best to go to the polls and cast their ballot, and I'm going to be working right now, from now until election days and caucus days to get my message across. 18:23:46 18:09:47 DM: We saw your ad this week celebrating your long marriage and your beautiful family and Gingrich advisors said to ABC that what the Romney campaign was implying there was that Romney's family is better than Gingrich's family. I'm curious, do you think Gingrich's three marriages is fair game in an election year? 18:24:04 18:10:03 MR: Actually, in each of my campaigns I've begun the advertising season with an ad about me and my family and my values. I think it is an important thing for voters to know who I am as an individual, not just to know me as a policy guy. And so its pretty traditional for me to start off with an ad about my family. I think people are looking for someone they can trust on a personal basis, and who they see as a leader. So getting to know me and the things that matter to me is very important and uh there was no attempt to in any way implicate anyone else in that. I'm just trying to let people know who I am. 18:24:40 18:10:39 DM: So whether Newt Gingrich has been married three times doesn't matter to you? 18:24:45 18:11:07 MR: Well when I learned is that I'm not going to give advice to the American people as to what they should look at when they decide to be their nominee or their president. I'm not going to tell them which things they're allowed to consider, which things they're not. I know that I'm going to do my best to describe who I am. If they like me and they like my vision for the country, I'll be the nominee and the president. If they don't, someone else will. And that's fine. 18:25:08 18:11:06 DM: Karl Rove said to ABC today that he thought within the Romney campaign, staffers must be saying we should have to come out swinging against Gingrich sooner? Do you believe so Governor? 18:25:19 18:11:17 MR: Well, you know I. I'm just out there talking about what I believe is the right thing for the country. I think the American people recognize that we have a president that is turning us into Europe, and Europe isn't working in Europe. They want a president who believes in America, and believes in the principals that made America, America. Discussions about the differences between my views and the views of Newt Gingrich are issues that I think you'll see pretty clearly over the coming weeks. But you know what this season, this primary season, despite the attention that some have the for the just the first couple of contests actually goes on a long time. And as you know, we watched the Democrats go month after month after month. I expect that Speaker Gingrich and I, or someone else and I , will be going for a considerable period of time fighting for the things we believe in and drawing distinctions with those we're competing with. 18:26:09 18:12:08 DM: How long do you think this will last? 18:26:10 18:12:10 MR: I have no way of telling [laughs]. You know its possible that one or the other of us will capture a whole slew of early contests and it will be over relatively soon, or its also possible that it will go on for months and months. They way the Hillary Clinton Barak Obama campaign did last time. But we have to be prepared for whatever the nation sends to us. And that means I have to be prepared to take a campaign not just through Iowa, New Hampshire, but Iowa, New Hampshire, South Caroline, Florida, Nevada, Michigan, Colorado, Arizona, on and on and on to make sure I get the delegates. 18:26:40 18:12:48 (SHOT PULLS OUT TO TWO SHOT) DM: One last question before I let you go. The SuperPAC ad this week. It showed a president Obama smiling and implied that the President would be much happier if he was going up against Newt Gingrich than going up against you (shot goes back to Romney ISO). Do you believe Newt Gingrich would be easier to beat in an election? 18:26:59 18:12:59 MR: No question in my mind that I represent the best chance we have of defeating President Obama. I believe that someone who has spent their lives in the private sector, who knows where jobs come from and how to create jobs, and has a record of leadership, sound leadership, running enterprises, running an Olympics, running a state to the extent anyone runs those things. I believe that someone with that kind of leadership and that background in the private sector distinguishes me relative to everyone else on the Republican stage in terms of my capacity to defeat Barak Obama and to get the country back on track.
SENATE ENERGY COMMITTEE HEARING - RICK PERRY CONFIRMATION HEARING 11:15 TO THE END
SENATE ENERGY AND NATURAL RESOURCES COMMITTEE HEARING Nomination hearing of the Honorable Rick Perry for Secretary to be Energy 366 Dirksen 09:30 AM The Senate Committee on Energy and Natural Resources hearing The purpose of the hearing is to consider the nomination of the Honorable Rick Perry to be the Secretary of Energy. Opening Remarks Sen. Lisa Murkowski Chairman Senate Committee on Energy and Natural Resources Sen. Maria Cantwell Ranking Member Senate Committee on Energy and Natural Resources Witness Panel 1 The Honorable Rick Perry 11:16:41 THANK YOU ON THE GOVERNOR. 11:16:43 THANK YOU, GOVERNOR. SENATOR HIRONO. 11:16:48 THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. ALOHA. FORTUNATELY -- UNFORTUNATELY I ONLY HAVE A MINUTE. I FRAME THE QUESTIONS ELICIT RESPONSES FROM YOU AND I HOPE YOU'LL STAY WITH A. THANK YOU SO MUCH. GOVERNOR, YOU HAVE TALKED ABOUT PURSUING AND ALL OF THE ABOVE ENERGY STRATEGY OF AND AS SENATOR STABENOW JUST MENTIONED AND I ALSO AM AWARE THAT THIS MORNING WE LEARNED THAT THE TERM TRANSITION TEAM INTENDS TO PROPOSE ELIMINATING THE DEPARTMEDEPARTME NT OF ENERGY'S OFFICE OF RENEWABLE ENERGY, OFFICE OF ELECTRICITY. WHICH FOCUSES ON TECHNOLOGY TO REDUCE CARBON DIOXIDE EMISSIONS AND MAKE OTHER MASSIVE CUTS TO YOUR DEPARTMENT. IT IS HARD TO SEE HOW WE CAN PURSUE AND ALL OF THE ABOVE STRATEGY IS SO MUCH AS THE DEPARTMENTS ALL OF THE ABOVE CAPABILITIES ARE NOMINATED. MY QUESTION IS YOU SUPPORT THESE CUTS? YES OR NO. 11:17:50 SENATOR, MAYBE THEY'LL HAVE THE SAME EXPERIENCE I HAD THEM FORGET THEY SAID THAT. >> WE ARE COUNTING ON YOU. [LAUGHTER] 11:17:58 WE ARE COUNTING ON YOU TO EDUCATE THE INCOMING PRESIDENT. MOVING ON. [LAUGHTER] SO YOU ALSO STATED HAVING EDUCATED YOURSELVES VERY THAT THE CLIMATE IS CHANGING AND WHEN IT COMES TO CLIMATE CHANGE AND COMMIT TO MAKING DECISIONS BASED ON SOUND SCIENCE AND ALSO TAKES INTO ACCOUNT ECONOMIC IMPACT. WE'VE HEARD A LOT THIS MORNING ABOUT MAKING SURE THERE IS A BALANCE BETWEEN WHAT WE NEED TO DO WITH REGARD TO OUR ENERGY FUTURE. DOES THE ECONOMIC IMPACT INCLUDE THE COST OF NOT DOING ANYTHING TO ADDRESS CLIMATE CHANGE? 11:18:40 ABSOLUTELY. IT'S THE REASON I TOOK THOSE STEPS I TOOK AS THE GOVERNOR TO LOWER THOSE EMISSIONS. THEY MIGHT THANK YOU. HAWAII AS RECENTLY AS 2006 RELIED ON IMPORTED FOSSIL YOU'LL FOR 92% OF ITS ENERGY NEEDS. SO RESEARCH TECHNICAL ASSISTANT IN GRANTS, PARTICULARLY THE PROGRAM FROM THE U.S. DEPARTMENT OF ENERGY HAVE BEEN INSTRUMENTAL IN SUPPORTING A WIDE SHIFTER IS LOCALLY PRODUCED RENEWABLE ENERGY. IN FACT, HAWAII HAS THE MOST AMBITIOUS RENEWABLE ENERGY GOALS IN THE ENTIRE COUNTRY BECAUSE YOU WANT TO BECOME 100% ENERGY SELF-SUFFICIENT FOR ELECTRICITY BY 2045. CAN A STATE OF HAWAII COUNT ON YOUR CONTINUED SUPPORT FROM THE DEPARTMENT OF ENERGY AS IT SEEKS TO BECOME ENERGY INDEPENDENT AND A LEADER IN THE CLEAN ENERGY ECONOMY? 11:19:34 YES. 11:19:35 THANK YOU. 11:19:38 FINALLY. 11:19:39 I AM VERY TROUBLED BY RECENT REPORTS THAT THE PRESIDENT-ELECT TRANSITION TEAM AS NON-AS THE ADMINISTRATOR AND DEPUTY MANUS WRITER OF THE NATIONAL NUCLEAR ADMINISTRATION, NSA TO EXPAND THEIR SERVICE TESTING RICH ON IT. THIS'LL BE THE FIRST TIME IN NSA 16 YEAR HISTORY THAT SENIOR LEADERSHIP WILL NOT BE KEPT FOR THE INCOMING AND A SMOOTH TRANSITION, BUT I WONDER WHETHER THIS IS AN AREA WE CAN AFFORD TO NOT KEEP. WE COMMIT TO A CONTINUITY OF STAFF TO ENSURE DEPARTMENT TO MANAGE OUR NUCLEAR WEAPONS STOP FILE. 11:20:27 SENATOR, I AM NOT CONCERNED AT THE CONTINUITY OF PROTECTING OUR STOCKPILE IS GOING TO BE IN PLACE. AS I SAID EARLIER, WE HAVE SENT THE MESSAGE. WE HAVE INTERVIEWED THE EXISTING STAFF. I DON'T THINK ANYONE WOULD SAY HERE, I HOPE NOT ANYWAY AND SAY YOU WILL KEEP EVERY PERSON THAT THEIR LIVES OVER THERE WITHOUT INTERVIEWING THEM, HAVING INTERACTION. I WILL SUGGEST TO YOU BY 14 YEARS OF GOVERNING TEXAS AND BEING THE CEO OF THE 12th LARGEST ECONOMY IN THE WORLD, I KNOW ABOUT IDENTIFYING GOOD TALENT, PUTTING THEM INTO PLACE AND I WILL INTERVIEW APPROPRIATELY. AS I SHARED THE FINAL DECISION ON A PRESIDENTIAL APPOINTMENT. 11:21:20 SO I ALSO UNDERSTAND ONE OF THE REASON TEXAS' SUCCESS AND WHY IS BRAD ADOPTION OF RENEWABLE ENERGY IS A GOAL THAT THE STATES THAT INMATE TEAM 99. HAWAII HAS A SIMILAR GOAL. IN 2012 I CALLED FOR THE NATIONAL RENEWAL STANDARD. SETTING A GOAL GIVES THE DIRT ASSERT ME TO MAKE THE KIND OF INVESTMENTS NEEDED TO MEET THE GOALS THAT BY A LARGE STATE LIKE TEXAS. WOULD YOU SUPPORT OUR NATIONAL RENEWABLE ENERGIES ENTERED PROVIDED THAT IT CAN ACHIEVE -- THE ACHIEVABLE BASELINE GANDER AT. 11:22:04 YOU KNOW MY DECISION ON FEDERALISM AND NOT ONE-SIZE-FITS-ALL ACCEPTING GYM SOCKS DOESN'T WORK THAT WELL. >> THAT'S FAIR. 11:22:18 IF YOU'RE GOING TO LEAVE IT UP TO THE STATES, WOULD YOU AT LEAST CONTINUE TO SUPPORT SAFE EFFORTS? ABSOLUTELY. I WILL TALK ABOUT THE WISDOM OF USING THEIR UNIVERSITIES, USING THEIR PRIVATE SECTOR, THE DEPARTMENT OF ENERGY WERE FIT TO COME UP WITH TECHNOLOGIES THAT MOVES FORWARD THEIR STATES POSITIONS FROM THE STANDPOINT OF RENEWABLES WERE FIT AND, WHERE IT MAKES SENSE AND I'LL BE HAPPY TO GIVE THEM THE ROADMAP ON HOW TO DO THAT. 11:22:43 THANK YOU. MY TIME IS THAT. 11:22:47 THANK YOU UNAMENDED CHAIR. WELCOME TO THE ENERGY. THE PROCESS OF BANKS AS WELL BEEN HERE TO SUPPORT YOU ON A FOLLOW UP ON WHAT SENATOR DAVE TALKED ABOUT. IT'S IMPORTANT TO RECOGNIZE THEIR PLACES ACROSS THE COUNTRY THAT BATTERY TO COLORADO, MAKER COLORADO, DEALT TO COLORADO. THESE ARE PLACES A LOT OF PEOPLE MAY NEVER HEAR OF, THE PLACE IS DRAMATICALLY AFFECTED BY OUR GOVERNMENT, PLACES HER BY OVER REGULATIONS. THEY ARE PLACES WHO ARE OUT OF WORK BECAUSE OF THE GOVERNMENT THAT IS BASELESS TO THEM THAT HAD REAL CONSEQUENCES AT THE DINNER TABLE. HERE'S THE COLD REGULATION, A WIND REGULATION BECAUSE THAT'S NOT ALL BUT THE DEPARTMENT OF ENERGY DOES IT HAVE MADE THE NO ROLE IN CERTAIN OF THOSE AREAS. CERTAINLY THE EPA HAS AFFECTED GREATLY WESTERN SLOPE OF COLORADO, CERTAINLY THE DEPARTMENT OF THE INTERIOR HAS AFFECTED THE JOBS CREATED AS PART OF OUR ALL OF THE ABOVE ENERGY STRATEGY IN THIS COUNTRY. EVEN THE DEPARTMENT OF AGRICULTURE HAS AFFECTED OUR ABILITY TO PRODUCE AFFORDABLE ENERGY, WHETHER IT'S NATIONAL GRASSLANDS IN AREAS OF THE WESTERN SLOPE. I WOULD ENCOURAGE AS YOU SAID IN THE CABINET AND THE CAUSE FOR THE COUNTRY WOULD TALK ABOUT THE IMPACT THIS HAS HAD, KNOW THAT ONE AGENCY HAS A TREMENDOUS IMPACT ON THE WORK THEY ARE DOING AND IT SHOULDN'T BE THE EPA OUT AGAINST THIS PART OF COLORADO AND INTERIOR DEPARTMENT AND A BIG WAY THAT HAS REAL IMPACT ON THE PEOPLE OF OUR COUNTRY. THANK YOU FOR COMMITMENT TO WORK WITH THOSE TANGLED WEBS OF OVERREACH THAT HAS LED PEOPLE OUT OF WORK AND HER PEOPLE IN OUR STATE OF COLORADO. WE RECOGNIZE THE NEED TO PROTECT OUR GREAT OUTDOORS. WE TALK ABOUT HOW WE CAN MAKE SURE IT'S BETTER TOMORROW THAN IT IS TODAY. WE HAVE TO RECOGNIZE THOSE PEOPLE IN MONTROSE CAN'T ALL BE TRAINED TO INSTALL SOLAR PANELS. YOU AND I HAVE HAD DISCUSSIONS ABOUT THEM ENERGY POLICY. THE SIXTH RANK OVER THE PAST COUPLE YEARS. THE LEADING-EDGE OF THE BLADE MANUFACTURING, ONE KEY COMPONENT OF THAT IS NATIONAL LABORATORY IN COLORADO. THIS IS A NEARLY BILLION DOLLARS ECONOMIC IMPACT FOR EVERY 1 DOLLAR INVESTED AT THE DEPARTMENT OF ENERGY SECURES ABOUT FIVE ADDITIONAL DOLLARS IN PRIVATE-SECTOR SPENDING. IT'S KNOWN FOR ITS COMMERCIALIZATION TAKING PROJECTS FROM THE LAB TO THE MARKETPLACE, READY TO BE A PART OF OUR ENERGIES THERE. THE FIRST AID ON THE COMMITTEE AND THE END YOU HAVE AN EARLY INVITATION TO VISIT THEM NOW. AND ENERGY MIX. 11:26:25 I LOOK FORWARD YOU ARE VERY ENLIGHTENING. THOSE ARE OBVIOUSLY THE TYPES OF TECHNOLOGY OF APPLIED RESEARCH THAT CAN THEN BE COMMERCIALIZED THAT WE HAVE A ROLE TO PLAY ENGAGING IN. I LOOK FORWARD TO A LONG VISIT THERE. 11:26:56 THANK YOU. OBVIOUSLY SOME OF THE WORK WE ARE DOING WITH GRID MODERNIZATION EFFORTS TO THE SUPERCOMPUTERS THEY HAVE AND ACROSS THE COUNTRY OF GRID MODERNIZATION, ENERGY EFFICIENCY. THE ENERGY FACILITY LOCATED AT A RESEARCH CENTER WITH PRIVATE ENERGY IN THE PRIVATE SECTOR IS USING TO MODERNIZE FOR INTEGRATION OF PRIVATE AND PUBLIC RESEARCH EFFORTS ON WIND, SOLAR, BIOFUELS. WOULD YOU CONTINUE THE WORK BEING DONE ON GRID MODERNIZATION EFFORTS. THE NIGHT YES, SIR. THE TWO AREAS THAT WILL HAVE A ROLE TO PLAY, I WOULD SUGGEST GOING FORWARD WITHOUT HARMING DEEP KNOWLEDGE OF THE PROGRAMMATIC LINE ITEMS THERE. BUT OBVIOUSLY DEVELOPING THAT NEXT LEVEL OF SUPERCOMPUTING AS ITS IMPACT UPON THE GRID IN BOTH HEARTENING AND PROTECTING THE GRID. BOTH OF THOSE ARE GOING TO PLAY A VERY IMPORTANT ROLE AS WE GO FORWARD. THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. 11:28:11 SENATOR MANCHIN. 11:28:16 CONTINUING TO WANT TO SERVE AND I HOPE THAT'S THE CASE. COMING FROM AN ENERGY STATE, THE LIGHTS WILL COME ON BEHALF OF SUCH. BUT WE'LL KEEP OUR FOOD FROM PARACHUTE. I HAD A PERSON SAY I DON'T KNOW WHY YOU ALL USE COAL IN WEST VIRGINIA. WHEN IT'S USED MORE ELECTRICITY? THAT TELLS YOU WHAT WE ARE DEALING WITH. I REALLY TELLS YOU THE SCOPE OF WHAT WE ARE DEALING WITH. I WANT TO PUT IT IN DAVE BECAUSE SITTING WHERE I SAT AND TRYING TO DEPEND ON THE ENERGY POLICY FOR EVERYTHING, IM FOR ALL THE WIND, SOLAR, RENEWABLES AND EVERYTHING. THEY HAVE TO BE RATIONAL AND PRACTICAL. WHERE DOES OUR BASE VOTE COME FROM? PEOPLE KNOW WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT. I SUGGEST EVERYTHING I'VE TALKED ABOUT. YOUR REFRIGERATOR WORKS ANYONE AT, WASHER GOES WHEN YOU WANT TO. YOU'VE GOT TO HAVE SOMETHING THAT WILL WORK 24/7. DEALMAKING IN THIS COUNTRY 11:29:31 GIVES YOU BASELOAD TODAY IS THAT GIVES YOU BASELOAD TODAY IS: NUCLEAR. GAS IS COMING ON AS BASELOAD, BUT UNTIL THEY GET THE PIPELINE COMING ON NOT HAVE ANYTHING YOU WANT. MAYBE IN WASHINGTON BECAUSE OTHER THAN NOT, A LOT OF US DON'T GET IT. SO I'M TRYING TO LOOK AT A RATIONAL POSITION. SO I SAID -- WE ARE TALKING ABOUT ALL THE CUTS IN EVERYTHING AND I REALLY APPRECIATE YOUR ANSWERS. THEY ARE REALLY GOOD. YOU WILL LOOK AT WHATEVER YOU HAVE. WHATEVER MONEY YOU HAVE TO WORK WITH. ALL I'M ASKING FOR IS PROPORTIONATE OF HOW YOU'RE GOING TO SPEND RESEARCH AND TECHNOLOGY. THE MIX WE HAVE RIGHT HERE IN ENERGY. COAL AND NATURAL GAS IN 2015 WITH 66% OF THE ENERGY. COAL AND NATURAL GAS. NUCLEAR 20%. RENEWABLES, 13%. THE BUDGET FOR 2017 AND THEY WONDER WHY THEY HAVE AUTHORED THIS. 66% IS SUPPOSED TO CALM FROM COAL AND GAS. THE RESEARCH THEY COMMITTED UNDER 4.5 BILLION. THAT IS 13%. NUCLEAR IS PRODUCE 20%. 994 MILLION. THAT IS 20%. 20% PROPORTIONAL. 13% AND ONLY GET A RETURN ON ENERGY. 75%. IT'S NOT GOING TO BE A BASELOAD. THE WIND AT NIGHT. YOU DO IS YOUR ELECTRICITY. UNTIL WE GET THE NEW TECHNOLOGY, YOU BETTER TAKE CARE BUT YOU GOT GOT. I THAT'S BASICALLY WITH THIS MIX, CAME A LOOK FOR MORE OF A PROPORTIONATE MIX SO WE CAN DO IT BETTER. 11:31:43 SENATOR, WHAT YOU HAVE MY COMMITMENT TO INSTALL SO BACKED UP BY MY RECORD. WHO'S NOT AFRAID TO GET OUTSIDE OF THE BOX AMOK AT THINGS TWO DAYS JURY DECISIONS ON SOUND SCIENCE AND INTERESTING WITH THAT. AND SOMETIMES SIZE GETS IT WRONG. AGAIN, WE HAD A LOT OF PEOPLE COME AND TELL US IN EARLY 2000 THAT WE FOUND ALL THE OIL WE WERE GOING TO FIND. WE FOUND OUT THAT WASN'T THE CASE. I'M COMMITTED TO ANALOGY ABOVE POLICY WITH THE KNOWLEDGE AND THE HISTORY OF BEING AN INDIVIDUAL THAT BELIEVES IN FINDING MORE EFFICIENT, MORE EFFECT DID MORE POSITIVE IMPACT AND TECHNOLOGIES. 11:32:51 REAL QUICKLY. THE ONLY THING I'M SAYING IS WE GET TO GET THE BEAT OUT OF US, DOING THE HEAVY LIFTING A DIRTY WORD. THEY DIDN'T NATURAL GAS. AND NOBODY LIKES IT. THEY SURE AS HECK USE IT. THEY SAY WE CANNOT MAKE IT CLEANER. WHEN YOU DON'T HAVE ANY COMMITMENT FROM THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT TO DO WHAT THEY SAID THEY WANTED TO GIVE US THE MONEY TO FIND THE NEXT TECHNOLOGY COME IN THE NEXT RESEARCH THAT WE CAN GET THE NEXT LEVEL, THEN DON'T CONTINUE TO BERATE US BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT GOING TO DO IT ANY OTHER WAY. WE WILL DO IT BETTER IF YOU WORK WITH US. 11:33:31 DON'T GET CONFUSED AT THE PREVIOUS ADMINISTRATION. FROM THE STANDPOINT -- FROM THE STANDPOINT OF BEING AN INDIVIDUAL WHO HAS PROMOTED THOSE SOURCES OF ENERGY THAT CAN DRIVE AN ECONOMY AND AT THE SAME TIME HELP OUR ENVIRONMENT. I HAVE A RECORD OF DOING THAT, SENATOR. YOU CAN EXPECT IF I'M SO FORTUNATE AS TO BE CONFIRMED BY THIS COMMITTEE, THAT SAME COMMITMENT, BUT ALSO THAT SAME ACTION AND ACTIVITY. 11:34:08 APPRECIATE THAT. LOOK FORWARD TO WORKING WITH YOU. 11:34:11 THANK YOU, SENATOR MANCHIN. SENATOR FLANK. 11:34:14 THANK YOU GOOD GREAT TO HEAR FROM YOU AND I JUST WANT TO FOLLOW-UP ON A CONVERSATION I HAD THERE AS WELL. AND I OFTEN HEAR FROM ELECTRIC CONSUMERS WITH THE WESTERN AREA POWER ADMINISTRATION. THE CUSTOMERS IN A RURAL CO-OPS AND DISTRICTS THAT NEED TO KEEP THEIR ELECTRIC RATES LOW. THEY'VE BEEN CONCERNED WITH THEIR TRANSPARENCY AS SOME OF THE SPENDING THAT'S BEEN GOING ON IN SOME OF THE I'M OBLIGATED TRADE BALANCES AND THE BALANCES THEY HAVE AND WHY THOSE HAVEN'T RESULTED IN A LOWERING OF RATES. JUST YESTERDAY I SAT DOWN WITH ADMINISTRATOR GABRIEL FOR A NAP DATE AND THEIR NUMEROUS INTERNAL AUDIT. CAN YOU COMMIT TO WORK WITH ME. 11:35:22 WE WILL COMMIT TO WORK WITH YOU TO MAKE SURE THEY FOLLOW THE STATUTE AND THE LAWS AND THE CONS TO TUITION AND NOT CAUGHT SIGHT OF THOSE BALANCE. IF YOU EVER SEE THE AGENCY PARTICIPATING IN SOMETHING LIKE THAT, I NOW EXPECT A PHONE CALL FROM YOU. 11:35:45 THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE THAT. ARIZONA IS HOME TO THE NATION'S LARGEST NUCLEAR PLANT IN THE NUCLEAR POLICY IS ADVENTUROUS TO ANY WESTERN ARIZONA. THE NUCLEAR POWER INDUSTRY NEEDS A RESOLUTION AND WHAT WILL D.O.E. DO UNDER YOUR LEADERSHIP TO BRING SOME RESOLUTION TO THAT ISSUE. 11:36:14 ? >> SENATOR, AS I'VE MADE IN AN EARLIER REMARKS, BOTH TO THE RANKING MEMBER AND THE NUMBER IS THAT THE WHOLE AT THE TIME KICKING THE CAN DOWN THE ROAD I'M DEALING WITH THIS ISSUE, MICHAEL WILL BE THOSE DAYS ARE OVER, THAT WE CAN HAVE A THOUGHTFUL CONVERSATION, A PRODUCTIVE CONVERSATION WHERE THE CITIZENS OF YOUR STATE AND THOSE THAT HAVE THESE 35 DIFFERENT STATES AND THEIR REPOSITORIES TODAY. NOT BY THEIR DESIRE, BUT BY THE INACTION OF THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT OVER THE COURSE OF THE DECADE THAT WE CAN IN FACT NUMBER ONE BY MAKING DECISIONS HERE, BUT CANNOT ALTERNATIVES, BY MAKING A REAL COMMITMENT TO CLEAN UP THE ENVIRONMENT IN THE STATES AND TRULY FIND BOTH THE INTERIM AND THE LONG-TERM STORAGE ANSWERS TO THIS EXTREMELY DIFFICULT. SITUATION. 11:37:31 ? >> THANK YOU. 11:37:34 ? >> I'M ENCOURAGED TO SEE THAT NEW TECHNOLOGY, THE SMALL MODULAR REACTORS. IN WHAT WAYS CAN D.O.E. WORK WITH THE PRIVATE SECTOR? I KNOW THAT THEIR COMPANY'S NEW SCALE POWER, OBVIOUSLY NEED TO WORK WITH THE NUCLEAR REGULATORY COMMISSION ON THIS. HOW CAN D.O.E. FURTHER THIS RESEARCH AND SPEED THE ADOPTION OF SOME OF THESE NEW TECHNOLOGIES? 11:38:05 ? >> AGAIN, MY HISTORICAL ENGAGEMENT WITH UNIVERSITIES AS A GOVERNOR AND THE RELATIONSHIP OF 11 SENATORS WHO WERE GOVERNORS AND THEIR COUNTERPARTS IN THEIR STATE. HOPEFULLY WE CAN FIND NOT JUST THE AREA AND D.O.E., BUT ALSO A THIRD PARTNER THAT I THINK IS VERY IMPORTANT AND THAT THEIR UNIVERSITIES AND THE SCIENTISTS AND MEN AND WOMEN BETTER THEY ARE. I FIND THE ENTIRE CONS.AT THE SMALL MODULAR REACTORS AS A FASCINATING, AS ONE OF THE ALTERNATIVES WITH A CONVERSATION WITH. BUT AGAIN, I WILL GO BACK TO SAY WE'LL MOVE FORWARD WITH THE EXPEDITION UNTIL WE FIND THE ANSWER AND ARE WILLING TO ADDRESS THIS ISSUE OF DEALING WITH THE WAYS THAT WE HAVE IN THE STATE TODAY. 11:39:09 ? >> THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. 11:39:12 ? >> THANK YOU, SENATOR FLAKE. SENATOR FRANKEN. 11:39:16 ? >> THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR COMING INTO MY OFFICE. DID YOU ENJOY MEETING ME? LAST NIGHT'S 11:39:23 ? >> I YOU'RE AS MUCH FUN ON MY DIET SINCE YOU WERE ON YOUR COUCH. >> WELL -- [LAUGHTER] 11:39:31 ? >> WELL -- [LAUGHTER] >> MAY I REPHRASE THAT, AS THERE? 11:39:36 ? >> PLEASE, PLEASE. ZERO MY LORD. [LAUGHTER] 11:39:45 ? >> WELL, I THINK WE'VE FOUND OUR SATURDAY NIGHT LIVE SOUND BITE. 11:39:54 ? >> LET'S MOVE ON. ONE OF THE FUN THINGS ON THE COUCH WAS WHEN YOU SAID [LAUGHTER] AT THE SHELL ENERGY BOOM OWED A LOT TO THE DEPARTMENT OF ENERGY. AND IT'S ALMOST GOTTEN SICK OF ME SINGING. YOU MAKE A GREAT VALIDATOR. WE TALKED ABOUT THIS. WE KNOW THAT YOU AGREE THE DEPARTMENT OF ENERGY WAS AN ENORMOUS BACK TO HER AND THE SHALE BOOM. 11:40:36 ? >> I WOULD SUGGEST TO YOU TECHNOLOGIES THAT WERE MOVED FORWARD AT THE D.O.E. THAT DOORS ARE UNIVERSITIES AND THE PRIVATE SECTOR THAT CAN IMPLEMENT IT TOGETHER THAT ALLOWED FOR THE SHALE REVOLUTION TO OCCUR. THE PRIVATE SECTOR HAD A SUBSTANTIAL AMOUNT TO DO WITH THAT. GEORGE MITCHELL WHO WAS A TEXAS GEOLOGIST WAS A GREAT EXAMPLE OF AN INDIVIDUAL WHO HEARD SCIENCE IS A MAN OR HIS PRIVATE SECTOR FRIENDS TIME AFTER TIME SO YOU'RE WASTING YOUR TIME AND MONEY. BUT HE BELIEVED IN IT. I GIVE AS MUCH CREDIT TO HIM AS I DO THE D.O.E., BUT I THINK THE D.O.E. HAS A ROLE TO PLAY. 11:41:31 ? >> AS A MATTER OF FACT, THE VICE PRESIDENT THAT HIS COMPANY, DAN STUART SAID THIS IN A QUOTE. HE ONLY STARTED IT AND OTHER PEOPLE TOOK THE BALL AND RAN WITH IT. YOU CANNOT DIMINISH D.O.E.'S INVOLVEMENT. AND REALLY THE REASON I BRING THIS UP, NOT JUST TO LORD THAT OVER MY COLLEAGUES WHO DOUBTED ME, BUT ALSO TO POINT TO THE IMPORTANCE OF RESEARCH FOR THE D.O.E. IN SOLVING ALL THESE PROBLEMS THAT WE HAVE. THAT'S WHY THESE REPORTS ON CAUSE AND D.O.E. ARE TRUE. THINGS IN THE NEW ADMINISTRATION SEEMS TO BE FLUID SHALL I SAY. I WANT TO GO TO CLIMATE CHANGE. AS WE DISCUSS IN MY OFFICE, I BELIEVE THAT CLIMATE CHANGES IN THE ESSENTIAL GUIDE IN ONE OF THE MOST SERIOUS CHALLENGES OF OUR TIME. AND YOUR 2010 BUT COME YOU CLAIM QUOTE WE HAVE BEEN EXPERIENCING A COOLING TREND THAT WAS JUST ANNOUNCED YESTERDAY THAT THE YEAR BEFORE THE SAUCER RECORD IN THE YEAR BEFORE THAT FIRST TIME IN THREE YEARS IN A ROW. IN 2014, AND I DON'T BELIEVE THAT WE HAVE A SUBTLE SCIENCE BY ANY SENSE OF THE IMAGINATION WITH A POLLUTANT DOING DISSERVICE TO THE COUNTRY. I BELIEVE A DISSERVICE TO THE WORLD. NOW I SEE IN YOUR TESTIMONY THAT YOUR VIEWS HAVE BEEN EVOLVING ON THIS. YOU KNOW THE MAN IS RESPONSIBLE FOR SOME CLIMATE CHANGE. HOW MUCH CLIMATE CHANGE DO YOU THINK THE SCIENCE SHOWS IS DUE TO HUMAN ACTIVITY? 11:43:24 ? >> SENATOR, FIRE FOR ME TO BE SITTING BEFORE YOU TODAY AND CLAIMING TO BE A CLIMATE SCIENTIST. I WILL NOT DO THAT. 11:43:33 ? >> I DO THINK YOU'RE EVER GOING TO BE A CLIMATE SCIENTIST. BUT YOU'RE GOING TO BE THE HEAD OF DEPARTMENT OF ENERGY. 11:43:39 ? >> THAT'S CORRECT. I'LL HIRE A REALLY GOOD SCIENTISTS. 11:43:44 ? >> 97% OF CLIMATE SCIENTISTS SAY THAT THIS IS REAL AND THAT WE ARE GOING TO BE APPROACHING AT THE END OF THE CENTURY 3.5 CELSIUS INCREASES IN TEMPERATURE , WHICH WOULD BE DISASTROUS AND I DON'T WANT THAT FOR MY GRANDCHILDREN. LET ME PUT THAT NUMBER AND CONTACT. A RECENT SURVEY FOUND THAT 95% PRESSURE THAT CIGARETTES CAUSE CANCER. SO IT SEEMS TO ME THAT SCIENCE ON CLIMATE CHANGE IS PRETTY DEFINITIVE. SO I JUST DON'T WANT, AND I KNOW MY TIME IS OUT. IS THE ECONOMY IN ADDRESSING CLIMATE CHANGE ARE AT ODDS AT ALL. AS YOU SAW IN YOUR STATE, PEOPLE STAY IN YOUR COMMUNITIES THAT HAVE WANED. THOSE TOWERS ARE BID. THEY ARE TALL. ON THE YOUNG PEOPLE CAN GO UP THOSE TOWERS AND KEEP YOUNG PEOPLE IN YOUR COMMUNITY. AND WE OWE IT -- I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'VE GRANDCHILDREN YET. 11:45:06 ? >> THEY WERE JUST MARRIED IN OCTOBER. 11:45:15 ? >> MY TIME IS OVER, DONE, DONE. 11:45:22 ? >> THANK YOU. NEED A LITTLE LEVITY EVERY NOW AND AGAIN. LET'S GO TO SENATOR RESCH FOR SOME MORE. 11:45:37 ? >> WE ARE GOING TO IGNORE THAT, SENATOR. 11:45:40 ? >> THANK YOU FOR BEING WILLING TO DO THIS. FIRST OF ALL, YOU EARLIER APOLOGIZE FOR READING FOR BUSINESSES AND OTHER STATES IN YOUR GOVERNOR. THERE'S FORMER GOVERNORS ON THIS COMMITTEE. IN THAT REGARD, YOU DON'T EVER HAVE TO APOLOGIZE FOR THAT. WE HAVE ALL SINNED IN THAT REGARD IN OUR FORMER ALLIES TO MISS HIM QUITE SUCCESSFULLY. NO APOLOGIES NECESSARY. ARGUABLY, YOU ARE TAKING OVER ARGUABLY THE MOST COMPLEX AND BROAD REACHING AGENCY WITHIN THE GOVERNMENT. NOW YOU MIGHT SAY THAT D.O.E. MAY BE GOD A BROADER STAND IN DIFFERENT WAYS. AS FAR AS REACHING -- THIS IS PROBABLY AS BROAD REACHING AS IT GETS AND IS INCREDIBLY COMPLEX. YOUR SOON-TO-BE PREDECESSOR WITH A NUCLEAR PHYSICIST AS YOU KNOW. WE ACTUALLY GOT ALONG QUITE WELL BUT IN ANY EVENT, YOU DON'T HAVE TO BE A NUCLEAR PHYSICIST AS TO RUN THIS AGENCY. I SENATOR WHEN YOU BECOME GOVERNOR, YOUR SUCCESS OR FAILURE DEPENDS ON YOUR OWN ABILITY WITH AN INCREDIBLY REACHING RANGE OF SERVICES FOR THE PEOPLE IN YOUR STATE. AND IT ALL DEPENDS ON THE PEOPLE YOU BRING AROUND IT OBVIOUSLY BECAUSE YOU'VE GOT TO HAVE EXPERTS AROUND YOU. BELIEVE ME IN THIS AGENCY YOU'RE GOING TO NEED LOTS OF EXPERTS TO DO THAT. WE HAVE IN IDAHO THE IDAHO NATIONAL LABORATORY WHICH IS THE BIRTH PLACE, THE FIRST LIGHT BULBS THAT NUCLEAR ENERGY WERE DONE SO THERE AT THE LAB. IT IS TODAY THE LATE LABORATORY ON NUCLEAR ENERGY. I'VE GOT TO TELL YOU AFTER HE MET WITH U.S. REALLY IMPRESSED WITH HOW YOU'RE GETTING YOUR ARMS AROUND IT. THERE'S A LOT OF DIFFERENT LABORATORIES IN THE COUNTRY. MOST AMERICANS HAVE NO IDEA WHAT THEY DO FOR THE COMPLEX VIA THEM. I WAS VERY IMPRESSED WITH THE WAY YOU GET YOUR ARMS AROUND THEM. A COUPLE THINGS YOU AND I TALKED ABOUT AND I APPRECIATE YOUR COMMITMENT TO AND THAT IS ALSO IN ADDITION TO ITS NUCLEAR MISSION ARE NOW BECOMING ONE LAID LABORATORIES ALTOGETHER DEALING WITH CYBERSECURITY AND CONTROL SYSTEMS ISSUE THAT IS INCREDIBLE VULNERABILITY HERE IN AMERICA. CAN YOU GIVE ME YOUR THOUGHTS ON NOT PUBLICLY? WE TALKED ABOUT IT PRIVATELY. HE SHOULD HAVE THE ABILITY TO TALK ABOUT THIS PUBLICLY. 11:48:34 ? >> THANK YOU, SENATOR. THANK YOU FOR RELAYING THE INTERESTING JUXTAPOSITION THAT GOVERNORS HAVE WHEN IT COMES TO MANAGING KIND OF COMPLEX ISSUES THAT THEY FACE. AGAIN, I GO BACK -- I THINK THAT IS A VERY GOOD PREREQUISITE AND FOUNDATION. ERNIE MONIZ AND I ARE GOOD FRIENDS. WE'VE KNOWN EACH OTHER -- BILL RICHARDSON INTEREST AND LATE IN THE HISTORY OF THE AGENCY, THERE HAVE ONLY BEEN TWO NUCLEAR PHYSICIST THAT WERE THE HEADS OF THE AGENCY THERE WERE A GOVERNOR OR TO. THE ISSUE FROM MY PERSPECTIVE IS BEING ABLE TO MANAGE AND PRIORITIZE WHAT IS IMPORTANT IN FINDING THOSE INDIVIDUALS WHO ARE SOME OF THE BEST IN THE BUSINESS. YOU MAY NOT BE ABLE TO BRING THEM INTO GOVERNMENT, BUT YOU CAN DRAW THEM IN TO THE PROCESS. A GREAT MANY TIMES BECAUSE OF THEIR PATRIOTIC COMMITMENT TO THIS COUNTRY. AND SO ON THE CYBERSECURITY SIDE, THAT WILL BE MY INTENTION IS TO DULL FINE MEN AND WOMEN IN OUR UNIVERSE IS THAT THE DOB. AND AS YOU KNOW, OUR NATIONAL LABS, THEY ARE THE REPOSITORY OF SOME OF THE EXTRAORDINARY BRILLIANCE IN THE WORLD. THEY TRULY ARE THE CROWN JEWEL OF THIS COUNTRY FROM AN INTELLECTUAL AND PARTICULARLY SCIENTIFIC STANDPOINT. PUTTING TOGETHER A TEAM, OBVIOUSLY WORKING WITH OTHER AGENCIES. DARPA WILL PLAY AN IMPORTANT ROLE. AND COORDINATE ACROSS AGENCY WILL REALLY BE IMPORTANT AS WELL AND TO HAVE THE SUPPORT, NOT ONLY THE ADMINISTRATION, BUT OF CONGRESS AND THE PRIVATE SECTOR ON WHAT I CONSIDER TO BE ONE OF THE GREAT CHALLENGES WE HAVE IN THE SHORT SPAN BECAUSE THIS ARENA IS GOING TO CHANGE IN A HURRY. JUST LIKE THE SUPERCOMPUTING DIED. WE HAVE ALLOWED OURSELVES TO GET A BIT BEHIND IN SUPERCOMPUTING. AS A MATTER OF FACT, THAT IS ONE OF THE AREAS THAT DOVETAILS TO THE CYBERSECURITY SIDE IS THE ABILITY TO MOVE FORWARD TO THAT NEXT GENERATION OF SUPERCOMPUTING, THE EXIT GALA MODELS THAT ARE GOING TO BE OUT THERE. SO YOU WILL SEE THE SAME COMMITMENT THAT I MADE, THAT I HAD, THAT WE HAD SUCCESS IN MY HOME STATE OF GOING LITERALLY FROM ZERO TO THE MANUFACTURING OF VACCINES FOR PANDEMIC EVENTS. I MEAN, I KNOW THAT WE CAN DO THIS AND I KNOW THAT WE HAVE THE EXPERTISE. WE NEED TO MANAGEMENT. WE NEED THE RESOURCES, BUT WE CAN SUCCESSFULLY PUT INTO PLACE CYBERSECURITY PRODUCT SAYS THAT NOT ONLY SECURE OUR PRIVATE CONVERSATION TO THAT MATTER, BUT THE MORE IMPORTANT SIDE OF THINGS AS SORRY BUT OLD GRAD AND OUR MILITARY CAPABILITIES. 11:52:08 ? >> WELL SAID. I'M SORRY WE DIDN'T GET A CHANCE TO TALK ABOUT THE SMALL MODULAR ARE. I KNOW YOU ARE A REAL FAN OF THAT BEING DEVELOPED AND REDEVELOPED OFFICE-BASED BATTERIES THAT PRODUCE THE SPACE BATTERIES THAT GO OUT ON THESE MISSIONS. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. 11:52:28 ? >> THANK YOU, SENATOR RESCH. SENATOR KAINE. 11:52:32 ? >> AT THE RISK OF BEATING THE FRATERNAL ORDER OF GOVERNORS INTO THE GROUND, I REMEMBER MEETING YOU 16 YEARS AGO TOMORROW ON THE STEPS OF THE CAPITAL STANDING NEXT TO ONE ANOTHER AT GEORGE W. BUSH'S INAUGURATION. THE AMAZING THING IS THAT THEY'RE ONE US HAS AGED A DAY. I WANT TO CAUTION YOU THIS IS THE ONLY COMMITTEE OR YOU CAN USE WERE SEQUESTERED AT A POSITIVE RESPONSE. 11:53:03 ? >> YES, SIR. PEOPLE HAVE TALKED ABOUT YOUR CUT. YOU WILL BE CALLED UPON TO LEAD IN THE NEXT SEVERAL WEEKS AND. THE CUTS THAT ARE BEING PROPOSED IF INDEED THE MEDIA REPORTS IT THIS MORNING ARE DEVASTATING AND GO TO THE HEART OF WHAT WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT TODAY. I HOPE THAT THE PEOPLE THAT ARE PROPOSING THESE CUTS ARE. SENATOR HOLDEN USED THE TERM TECHNOLOGY REALLY IS THE WAY FORWARD. YOU'VE TALKED ABOUT IT. WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THE ROLE OF THE DEPARTMENT OF ENERGY AND TO BE JUST MOMENTS AGO YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT ADVANCED COMPUTING. THAT IS ONE OF THE ITEMS ON THE CUTTING BOARD APPARENTLY, WHICH IS ABSOLUTELY BEYOND ME, ELIMINATE THE OFFICE OF ELECTRICITY, OFFICE OF ELECTRICAL -- FOSSIL ENERGY. THIS IS ABSOLUTELY NOT IN TERMS OF THE FUTURE OF ENERGY IN THIS COUNTRY. IT SEEMS TO ME DEARLY HAS ESSENTIALLY TWO FUNCTIONS. ONE IS THE NUCLEAR ENTERPRISE WHICH YOU DISCUSSED. THE OTHER IS RESEARCH IN BASIC RESEARCH THAT CAN THEN BE TAKEN BY THE PRIVATE SECTOR AND TURNED INTO THE REVOLUTIONARY CHANGES THAT ARE CHANGING OUR SOCIETY WHETHER IT'S IN TRACKING OUR RENEWABLES FRACTURE ENERGY, WHATEVER IT IS. YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE TO REALLY DO SOME HARD PUSHING BACK EN MASSE BECAUSE ASSUMING THIS IS TRUE, I FIND IT ALMOST TELLS RARITY TO BE CUTTING ENERGY RESEARCH AT THIS MOMENT IN TIME. WILL YOU COMMIT TO ME THAT YOU ARE GOING TO BE LIONHEARTED IN THIS ENDEAVOR TO PROTECT YOUR AGENCY BECAUSE THEY ARE CUTTING THE LEGS OUT FROM UNDER YOU. 11:54:50 ? >> SENATOR, AND I HAVE A RATHER INTERESTING BACKGROUND, NOT UNLIKE YOURS DEFENDING BUDGET VOTES FROM -- BOTH FROM THOSE IN THE KNOW AND SOMETIMES PEOPLE -- THEY MAKE IT HARD TO BELIEVE THE PEOPLE RECOMMENDED THESE CUTS ARE IN ANY KIND OF KNOW. 11:55:15 ? >> ALL ALLOW YOUR STATEMENT TO STAND. MY POINT IS I KNOW WHAT THE DEPARTMENT OF ENERGY SHOULD BE GOOD AT. I HAVE SPENT ENOUGH TIME MAKING MYSELF AWAY OR OF TALKING TO INDIVIDUALS INSIDE THE AGENCIES, INDIVIDUALS WHO HAVE BEEN THERE BEFORE. 11:55:40 ? >> I HAVE TO CUT YOU OFF BECAUSE THE CHAIR IS SO RIGOROUS ABOUT HER TIME, BUT I REALLY HOPE YOU WILL BE STRONG AND I THINK YOU'VE INDICATED SHE WILL. AN ENTIRELY DIFFERENT SUBJECT. BUT ON SEVERAL DIFFERENT TIMES OF AN ELEGY X PORT. HERE'S WHAT'S OF CONCERN TO ME. WE HAVE NOW GOT THE TOTAL PRODUCTION OF NATURAL GAS IN THE COUNTRY IS ABOUT 75 BCS TODAY. WE'VE ALREADY APPROVED 14, WHICH IS ABOUT 20% OF THE TOTAL PRODUCTION FOR EXPORT IN THE? IS 71% OF THE PRODUCTION FOR EXPORT. IF THAT HAPPENS, THERE IS NO WAY IN THE WORLD. THIS CONGRESS CANNOT REPEAL THE LAW OF SUPPLY AND DEMAND AND THERE'S NO WAY IN THE WORLD PROBLEM NOT DRASTICALLY AND SIGNIFICANTLY AFFECT DOMESTIC PRICES, WHICH HAS BEEN ONE OF OUR DAMAGES VIS-A-VIS THE REST OF THE WORLD IN TERMS OF BRINGING MANUFACTURING BACK IN THING IN OUR ECONOMY. THE NATURAL GAS ACT BACK IN THE 38 SAVES FOR THE DEPARTMEDEPARTME NT OF ENERGY TO ISSUE A PERMIT, IT HAS TO BE IN THE PUBLIC INTEREST. BY REQUEST OF VIEW IS TO BE SURE THE PUBLIC INTEREST -- THE PUBLIC INTEREST DEFINITION INCLUDES AFFECT ON DOMESTIC PRICES. WE GIVE ME THAT COMMITMENT? 11:57:00 ? >> SENATOR, WHAT I WILL COMMIT TO IS FINDING WAYS TO MAKE SURE THAT WE DON'T ARTIFICIALLY AFFECT SUPPLY AND DEMAND. BUT I WILL SUGGEST TO YOU IS THAT THERE WERE DECISIONS MADE IN WASHINGTON D.C. THAT HAVE ARTIFICIALLY AFFECTED SUPPLY AND DEMAND AND IT'S BEEN ON THE SUPPLY SIDE. I WOULD ASK THE EPA AND DEPARTMENT OF THE INTERIOR WHETHER IT'S CONGRESS ON THE TAX AND REGULATORY SIDE TAKING EFFECT TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO BOTH SUPPLY BECAUSE THE DEMAND IS GOING TO BE THERE. IF WE PRODUCED IT IN AMERICA, AND MAKE ABUNDANT GOOD SENSE TO ME FOR US TO SELL IT TO THE WORLD. 11:57:43 ? >> UNLESS DOING SO SIGNIFICANTLY INCREASES DOMESTIC IS, WHICH IS EXACTLY WHAT HAPPENED IN AUSTRALIA WHERE THEY ARE NOW EXPORTING ALMOST ALL OF THEIR NATURAL GAS AND THEIR NATURAL GAS DOMESTICALLY TRIPLED IN PRICE. THAT WOULD BE A DISASTER FOR THE ECONOMY OF THIS COUNTRY. >> AND I TOTALLY UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT MY POINT IS WHEN WE LOOK AT THIS ENTIRE ISSUE GLOBALLY, TO MAKE SURE IT THAT WE ARE NOT MAKING DECISIONS HERE THAT IS AFFECTING MOST OF THE ABILITY TO SUPPLY SO THAT YOU CAN KEEP THE DEMAND ADDRESSED IN A THOUGHTFUL AND FAIR WAY THAT DOES NOT TRY THE COST TO WHERE HE MANUFACTURING BASE, FOR INSTANCE, OF WHICH WE ARE TRYING TO BRING AMERICA BACK IN A STRONG AND POWERFUL WAY WOULD BE EFFECTIVE IN A NEGATIVE WAY. 11:58:35 ? >> LOW-PRICE NATURAL GAS IS AN ADVANTAGE. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. 11:58:38 ? >> THANK YOU. IN AN APARTMENT. 11:58:43 ? >> GOVERNOR PERRY, THANK YOU THEIR WILLINGNESS TO STEP UP AND SERVE IT IN A DIFFERENT WAY FOR SACRIFICES THAT INVOLVES THE EXAGGERATOR MEETING. IT IS SIMPLY NOT THE CONFERENCE TABLE AS YOUR ONE ON THE COUCH FROM A COLLEAGUE WITH MINNESOTA. BUT IT WAS INTERESTING AND WE TALKED ABOUT A NUMBER OF TOPICS. ONE WAS THE IMPORTANCE TO MY STATE AND OUR NATION OF HAVING A URANIUM ENRICHMENT CAPABILITY AND ACT IN OHIO. WE HAVE A PLANNED THAT PRODUCE ENRICHED URANIUM AND TILL ABOUT 2000 AT THAT POINT OR SHUT DOWN. AS THE GASEOUS DIFFUSION METHOD NOW BEEN CLEANED OUT. WHEN PRESIDENT OBAMA RAN IN 2008, PROMISE TO ACCELERATE THE CLEANUP. PRETTY MUCH EVERY FIGHT JUST TO GET THE CLEANUP IN PLACE IS GONE FROM 2024 TIMES RANGE TO A 2044 AND EIGHT, COSTING TAX YEARS WILLIAMS FOR BY STRETCHING IT OUT AND NOT BE MORE EFFICIENT ABOUT IT. I'M VERY DISAPPOINTED IN THE DEPARTMENT OF ENERGY FOR THEIR INABILITY TO FOLLOW THROUGH ON THEIR COMMITMENTS TO THE PLANT AND FRANKLY IT'S REALLY DIFFICULT FOR PEOPLE WHO WORK THERE. THEY NEVER KNOW WHEN THEIR NEXT PAYCHECK IS GOING TO BE THERE. IT USUALLY HAPPENS AROUND CHRIS THIS TIME IF IT DID THIS PAST CHRISTMAS. WOULD YOU BE COMMITTED TO LOOKING AT THIS CLEANUP EFFORT IN A MORE LOGICAL WAY HELPING TO ENSURE WE HAVE THE FUNDS NECESSARY WHICH AGAIN PROVIDE SECURITY TO THESE FAMILIES, BUT IMPORTANTLY LOWERS THE COST OF THE TAXPAYER BY GETTING THE CLEANUP DONE. 12:00:11 ? >> SENATOR, I WILL COMMIT TO YOU THAT IS EDUCATED ON THIS ISSUE AS I CAN AND MUST EXPEDITIOUS WAY THAT I CAN MANAGE IT AND EMPLOYEE MANAGEMENT SKILLS AND CAPABILITIES. AGAIN, WITHOUT KNOWING THE DEEP DETAILS OF THIS, BUT MY INSTINCT TELLS ME THAT THIS IS AN ISSUE OF EXECUTION OF GOOD MANAGEMENT. .. WE AS AMERICANS, MY QUESTION FOR YOU THERE IS, WOULD WOULD YOU ALSO BE WILLING TO LOOK INTO THIS ISSUE AND I'M NOT GOING TO ASK YOU FOR A SPECIFIC COMMITMENT TODAY FOR RESTARTING THIS BECAUSE I YOU NEED TO RESEARCH IT BUT I HOPE IT WILL BE GIVEN YOUR PERSONAL ATTENTION AND CONSIDERATION BECAUSE WE NEED TO HAVE ENRICHMENT CAPABILITIES AND THIS COUNTRY. DO YOU HAVE A VERY RESPONSE TO THAT. 12:02:24 ? >> I WILL GIVE IT THE APPROPRIATE AND THOROUGH STUDY. IN ADDITION, I WILL SAY THE ENRICHMENT OF URANIUM IN THE UNITED STATES IS A NATIONAL SECURITY ISSUE AND ONE THAT I TAKE VERY SERIOUSLY. I LOOK FORWARD TO WORKING WITH YOU TO NOT ONLY UNDERSTAND THIS ISSUE BETTER, BUT IF IT IS CONCLUDED, AS I SUSPECT IT WILL, THAT THIS IS INDEED A NATIONAL SECURITY ISSUE THAT NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED, EITHER EITHER BY THE UNITED STATES CONGRESS AND/OR THE ADMINISTRATION, YOU WILL HAVE A WILLING PARTNER IN MAKING SURE THE DOE DOES IT IN THE MOST EFFICIENT, MOST EFFECTIVE AND MOST ECONOMICALLY FEASIBLE WAY THAT WE CAN'T. 12:03:11 ? >> IT IS A NATIONAL SECURITY ISSUE, THERE IS NO QUESTION ABOUT IT, BUT ALSO BECAUSE WE NEED URANIUM TO THE NUCLEAR STOCKPILE AND WE NEED TO HAVE IT FOR OUR NUCLEAR NAVY. I KNOW WE HAVE STOCKPILED NOW, BUT WE DON'T HAVE THE ABILITY TO BE ABLE TO QUICKLY ENRICH. IT PROBABLY TAKES A DECADE TO GET THIS BACK UP AND GOING IF WE SHUT IT DOWN ALTOGETHER AND AN ENORMOUS COST TO THE TAXPAYERS. ONE MUST QUESTION, WE TALKED TALKED A LOT ABOUT ENERGY EFFICIENCY IN OUR MEETING. THEY HAD TAKEN 22 MILLION CARS OFF THE ROAD BY 2030, IT'S AN EQUIVALENT OF THAT, WE ALSO PASSED AT 82 - 15. BOTH THE RANKING MEMBER AND THE CHAIR HAVE BEEN AT THE FOREFRONT ON THIS ISSUE.I WOULD LIKE YOUR COMMITMENT THAT YOU WOULD WORK WITH US ON ENERGY EFFICIENCY. 12:04:04 ? >> YES, SIR, USE ME AS YOU SEE FIT. 12:04:07 ? >> THANK YOU. 12:04:08 ? >> THANK YOU SENATOR PORTMAN. 12:04:09 ? >> SENATOR DUCKWORTH. 12:04:11 ? >> THANK YOU MADAM CHAIR. THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE GOVERNOR PERRY. I LOOK FORWARD TO YOUR VISIT TO TWO OF THE DOE. WHILE I SERVED IN IRAQ, I SERVED AND WRIST LIFE AND LIMB. I SAW THE PAINFUL PRICE THIS NATION PAID BECAUSE OF OUR RELIANCE ON OIL. INVESTMENT AND RENEWABLE ENERGY IS NOT ONLY ABOUT THE ENVIRONMENT AND JOBS AND COMPETING WITH CHINA AND OTHER NATIONS ARE MAKING HUGE INVESTMENTS IN CLEAN ENERGY, IT'S ALSO A VERY CLEAR NATIONAL SECURITY IMPERATIVE FOR US. UNDER YOUR LEADERSHIP, TEXAS MADE IMPRESSIVE PROD PROGRESS IN WIND ENERGY BUT I DO WORRY YOU HAVE MADE STATEMENTS OPPOSING FEDERAL GOVERNMENT AND INVOLVEMENT TO ENCOURAGE INVESTMENTS IN ANY ENERGY SECTOR I KNOW YOU MUST RECOGNIZE THESE GAINS COULD NOT HAVE BEEN MADE WITHOUT FEDERAL SUPPORT. OUR NATION'S WIND INDUSTRY WOULD NOT BE WHERE IT WAS WITHOUT THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT AND I WANT TO REPLICATE THE SUCCESS IN WIND ENERGY THAT YOU SAW IN TEXAS UNDER YOUR LEADERSHIP. I WOULD LIKE TO DO THAT IN ILLINOIS AND ACROSS THE NATION. WILL MAINTAIN THE SUPPORTED PROGRAMS AT DOE TO PROMOTE RENEWABLE ENERGY PROGRAMS THAT STRIVE TO MOVE US FORWARD AND AWAY FROM OUR HEAVY RELIANCE ON FOSSIL FUELS? 12:05:44 ? >> THANK YOU, JUST AS A SIDE, I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE. THERE ARE FEW PEOPLE IN THIS ROOM THAT HAVE MADE THE COMMITMENT TO THIS COUNTRY THAT YOU HAVE. THERE ARE SOME IN THIS AUDIENCE THAT HAVE, BUT WE COLLECTIVELY THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE. YOU AND I HAD A PRETTY BROAD RANGE CONVERSATION ABOUT THE ALTERNATIVE RENEWABLES THAT ARE OUT THERE. THE LEAST OF WHICH IS NOT WIND AND MY HOME STATE AGGRESSIVELY AND VERY POSITIVELY SUPPORTED THAT. THERE ARE, I THINK A ROLE FOR THE DOE AS WE GO FORWARD CONTINUING TO FIND THE TECHNOLOGICAL ADVANCES, WHETHER IT IS ON TURBINES OR BLADE DESIGN TO BE. ONE OF THE FIRST EMERGING TECHNOLOGY FUND GRANTS THAT WE MADE AFTER I HELPED CREATE THIS PROGRAM THE FLAG SHOES WE RECRUITED TOP SCIENTISTS IN THE WORLD ON THE SOLAR SIDE. MY COMMITMENT WILL BE TO LOOK AT EVERY PROGRAM IT LIKE. I'M A FISCAL CONSERVATIVE AND I DON'T BACK AWAY FROM THAT AND I WEAR THAT BADGE WITH HONOR. I DO BELIEVE THERE IS A ROLE FOR US TO PLAY, BOTH AT THE STATE LEVEL AND AT THE FEDERAL LEVEL TO CONTINUE TO PUT FORWARD, FUNDED BY OUR TAXPAYER DOLLARS, TECHNOLOGIES THAT CAN IN FACT MAKE US MORE EFFICIENT, MAKE US MORE ECONOMICALLY VIABLE, IMPROVE OUR QUALITY OF LIFE, AND THAT IS MY RECORD. YOU CAN'T CHANGE THE STRIPES ON THE ZEBRA. IT'S JUST THE WAY I AM, IT'S WHAT I BELIEVE IN. THE ADMINISTRATION KNEW THAT WHEN THEY ASKED ME TO SERVE IN THIS ROLE. I AM COMMITTED TO THE CONTINUATION OF USING THE SCIENTISTS IN OUR UNIVERSITIES IN COLLABORATION WITH FINDING THE SOLUTIONS TO THE CHALLENGES, WHETHER IT'S ON RENEWABLES OR WHETHER IT IS WAYS TO USE RESOURCES THAT WE HAVE IN A MORE EFFICIENT, SAFE AND EFFECTIVE MANNER. 12:08:24 ? >> THANK YOU. 12:08:37 ? >> YOU'VE SPOKEN QUITE PROUDLY OF OUR NATIONAL LABORATORIES AND THEY ARE MAJOR EMPLOYERS IN ILLINOIS, BUT THEY ARE ALSO DEVELOPING NEXT GENERATION BATTERY STORAGE AND EXPLORING THE SMALLEST BUILDING BLOCKS OF MATTER. YOU AND I SPOKE AT LENGTH ABOUT THE NEED TO DEVELOP WAYS TO STORE OR REUSE NUCLEAR FUEL. I POPPED OUT A LITTLE BIT AGO TO GO MEET WITH THE STUDENT FROM DIANE BENTON ILLINOIS. THEY ARE FROM A TOWN THAT CANNOT DEVELOP VALUABLE LAKEFRONT PROPERTY BECAUSE THERE IS A NUCLEAR REACTOR THERE AND THAT NUCLEAR FUEL, WE HAVE NOT BEEN ABLE TO FIND A WAY. 12:09:32 ? >> I WOULD SUGGEST TO YOU, IT'S IT'S BEEN A POLITICAL AND MANAGEMENT CHALLENGE AND HOPEFULLY AS WE GO FORWARD, WE CAN STAND TOGETHER AS A COUNTRY AND TALK ABOUT A LEGACY THAT WE FINALLY MADE SUBSTANTIAL PROGRESS IN REMOVING WASTE FROM YOUR STATES TO PLACES BOTH IN ROOM OR FAR LONG-TERM THAT ADDRESS THIS CHALLENGE. 12:10:02 ? >> WE HAVE FINISHED OUR FIRST ROUND WE WILL HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR ANOTHER CHANCE AND I UNDERSTAND YOU HAVE BEEN SITTING FOR A CONSIDERABLE AMOUNT OF TIME. HOPEFULLY WE CAN MOVE QUICKLY THROUGH THE SECOND ROUND AND NOT PUT YOU THROUGH TOO MUCH MORE. 12:10:23 ? >> I AM HERE AT YOUR SERVICE, MA'AM. 12:10:25 ? >> THAT'S WHAT WE LOVE TO HEAR. WE APPRECIATE THAT. GOVERNOR, I'M JUST LOOKING THROUGH MY MORNING CLIPS AND THE FRONT PAGE OF THE DAILY NEWS MINER WHERE I WENT TO HIGH SCHOOL. FRIGID FAIRBANKS TODAY AND THE DENALI STATE BANK SIGN A SET IT'S 52 BELOW. THAT THAT IS THE PICTURE. SO IT'S COLD BACK HOME AND WHEN IT'S COLD, YOU NEED TO STAY WARM AND WHEN YOU NEED TO STAY WARM, SOMETIMES IT CAN BE VERY COSTLY TO STAY WARM AND WHEN WE TALK ABOUT ALL OF THE -- AT TIMES LIKE THIS YOUR LIFE DEPENDS ON THE ABILITY TO KEEP WARM, BUT IT'S NOT JUST THE OIL AND THE NATURAL GAS IN THE COAL THAT WE HAVE. THE PEOPLE IN FAIRBANK DON'T HAVE THE BENEFIT OF NATURAL GAS. THEY ARE RELYING ON HOME HEATING FUEL. AS WE LOOK TO FIND SOLUTIONS, 11 OF THE THINGS WE ARE LOOKING TO IS THE ABILITY TO ACCESS OUR NATURAL GAS FROM THE SLOPE AND TO BE ABLE TO ACCESS THAT FOR THE BENEFIT OF ALASKANS AND THE BENEFIT OF THE COUNTRY. 24% OF OUR ENERGY PRODUCED IN THE STATE COMES FROM HYDROPOWER. AN AMAZING RESOURCE, IT'S NOT VIEWED AS A RENEWABLE RESOURCE AND I'D LIKE TO WORK TO CHANGE THAT WITH YOU. WE ALSO HAVE 33000 MILES OF COASTLINE. THAT'S A LOT OF COASTLINE AND A LOT OF WATER. THAT IS TITLE ENERGY AND MARINE HYDROKINETIC IF WE CAN HARNESS THE POWER OF THE YUKON. IT IS BOUNTIFUL. WE HAVE THE BIOMASS POTENTIAL. WE HAVE AGAIN. WE NEED TO WORK WITH YOU AS THE INCOMING SECRETARY TO MAKE SURE THEY ARE NOT STANDING IN THE WAY IN THE INNOVATION THAT IS COMING FROM THE NATIONAL LABS AND INNOVATORS ON THE GROUND AS WE ARE WORKING TO HELP FACILITATE THIS. WE NEED YOU TO HELP US CUT THROUGH A LOT OF WHAT HAS BEEN PUT IN PLACE THAT HOLDS BACK THE INNOVATION FOR THE PEOPLE WHO ARE TRYING TO STAY WARM AND IT'S COSTING THEM UP PRETTY PENNY AND TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY HAVE OPTIONS. I LOOK FORWARD TO WORKING WITH YOU ON SOME OF THOSE SPECIFICS. ONE OF THE THINGS YOU DON'T HAVE IS WE DON'T HAVE ANY NUCLEAR. WE HAVE A SMALL POPULATION. THE PROSPECT FOR WHAT SMALL MODULAR, I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE YOU ADDRESS THAT IF YOU TALK ABOUT THE BROADER PLAY OF ENERGY OPTIONS, BUT THE POTENTIAL FOR SMALL REMOTE COMMUNITIES, SOME OF OUR FORWARD OPERATING BASE OUTPOST, BUT AS SENATOR DUCKWORTH MADE THE POINT, AND I THINK APPROPRIATELY SO, SO, RELIANCE ON AT RISK FUEL SUPPLY CAN BE LIFE-THREATENING. THE POTENTIAL THAT WE HAVE WITH MICRO AND SMALL MODULE REACTORS, INCLUDING THE MORE ADVANCED REACTORS, I THINK HOLDS GREAT PROSPECTS. 12:15:04 ? >> I'M NOT SURE I CAN DO IT ANYMORE ELOQUENTLY BEEN YOU JUST HAVE, THOSE ARE THE THINGS THAT THE DEPARTMENT OF ENERGY SHOULD BE ENGAGED WITH AND SHOULD BE FUNDING. I WILL SHARE WITH YOU IN ANY SMALL OR OTHER WAY. THERE NEEDS TO BE LEGISLATION THAT CHANGES FEDERAL LAW ON THE MICRO GRID ISSUE AND I WILL BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO HELP YOU DO THAT. IT MAKES ABUNDANT GOOD SENSE, THAT CLASSIC ONE SIZE DOESN'T FIT ALL, IT REALLY HADN'T THOUGHT THROUGH, IT MAY BE A GREAT IDEA. MY STATE ISN'T ATTACHED TO THE FEDERAL GRID EITHER AND IT WORKS PRETTY GOOD FOR US, BUT WE ARE A DIVERSE COUNTRY. WE HAVE A DIFFERENT GEOGRAPHY IN DIFFERENT PEOPLE AND DIFFERENT REGIONS AND TO THOUGHTFULLY PUT INTO PLACE ENERGY POLICIES. I'M OBVIOUSLY A STRONG SUPPORTER FROM A SAFETY STANDPOINT. WE WENT TO LOOK AT IT FROM BEING ABLE TO SECURE IT PROPERLY. THERE ARE PLACES, SENATOR DUCKWORTH AND I HAVE THAT CONVERSATION. IT COULD BE A GOOD STARTING POINT ON THOSE AND THEN PLUG THEM INTO THE NEARBY NEIGHBORHOODS AND HAVE THAT ALTERNATIVE FORM OF ENERGY THAT CAN IN FACT MAKE IT AVAILABLE AND AFFORDABLE. 12:17:29 ? >> AUGUST 17, 2011, CBS NEWS QUOTE. RICK PIRES SAID WEDNESDAY MORNING HE DOES NOT BELIEVE IN GLOBAL WARMING SCIENCE AND SUGGESTED IT IS GROUNDED IN SCIENTISTS MANIPULATING FOR FINANCIAL GAIN. THE CLIMATE IS CHANGING BUT IT HAS BEEN CHANGING EVER SINCE THE EARTH WAS FORMED AND HE ADDED THAT THE ISSUE OF GLOBAL WARMING HAS BEEN POLITICIZED THAT AMERICA SHOULD NOT SPEND BILLIONS OF DOLLARS ADDRESSING A SCIENTIFIC THEORY THAT HAS NOT BEEN PROVEN, AND FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, IS MORMOR BEING PUT INTO QUESTION. END OF QUOTE. THAT POSITION IS AT VARIANCE WITH THE ENTIRE SCIENTIFIC COMMUNITY THAT HAS STUDIED CLIMATE CHANGE. THE SCIENTIST I HEAR FROM BELIEVE CLIMATE CHANGE IS GREAT PLANETARY PLANETARY ENVIRONMENTAL CRISIS THAT WE FACE AND WE NEED TO MOVE AGGRESSIVELY TO TRANSFORM OUR SYSTEM. DO YOU STILL HOLD THE VIEW THAT YOU EXPRESSED IN 2011. DO YOU AGREE WITH THOSE SCIENTISTS WHETHER IT IS ABSOLUTELY IMPERATIVE THAT WE TRANSFORM OUR ENERGY SYSTEM AWAY FROM ENERGY EFFICIENCY SO WE CAN LEAVE THIS PLANET IN A WAY THAT IS HEALTHY AND HABITABLE FOR OUR KIDS AND FUTURE GENERATIONS. 12:18:53 ? >> I BELIEVE THE CLIMATE IS CHANGING. I BELIEVE SOME OF ITS NATURALLY OCCURRING AND SOME OF IT IS CAUSED BY MAN-MADE ACTIVITY. I THINK THERE ARE WAYS THAT DON'T AFFECT OUR ENERGY -- 12:19:23 ? >> I DON'T MEAN TO BE RUDE BUT WE JUST HAVE A SHORT PERIOD OF TIME. I APOLOGIZE. SENATOR CANTWELL MADE AN IMPORTANT POINT ON THIS AND THAT IS WE ARE IN DANGER OF SPENDING GOD KNOWS HOW MANY BILLIONS OF DOLLARS TO REPAIR THE DAMAGE DONE BY CLIMATE CHANGE AND IT WILL IMPACT AGRICULTURE IN A SIGNIFICANT WAY. BASICALLY WHAT I'M ASKING YOU, LET'S GET BEYOND THE RHETORIC AND YOU DON'T HAVE TO AGREE WITH ME, THE SCIENTIST THAT I TALKED TO, I THINK THE MAJORITY OF THE SCIENTISTS PUTS CLIMATE CHANGE AT A GLOBAL CRISIS. IT'S NOT A QUESTION OF THE BALANCE OF THIS AND A BALANCE OF THAT. IT'S A GLOBAL CRISIS WHICH REQUIRES MASSIVE CUTS IN CARBON AND TRANSFORMATION OF OUR ENERGY SYSTEM. HOW DO YOU RESPOND TO THAT. 12:20:19 ? >> I LIKE GETTING PAST THE RHETORIC AND GETTING PAST THE RHETORIC IS LOOKING AT THE RECORD. I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO TALK ABOUT THE FOURTH LARGEST ECONOMY IN THE WORLD. IS CLIMATE CHANGE A CRISIS AND WE NEED TO MAKE CHANGES TO PROTECT FUTURE GENERATIONS. 12:20:49 ? >> I WILL RESPOND THAT I THINK HAVING AN ACADEMIC DISCUSSION, WHETHER IT IS WITH SCIENTISTS OR WITH YOU, IT IS AN INTERESTING EXERCISE, BUT DO I HAVE A RECORD OF AFFECTING THE CLIMATE IN THE WORLD AND IN THIS COUNTRY AND THE ANSWER IS YES, WHEN YOU LOWER CARBON EMISSIONS BY 17% AND SULFUR DIOXIDE BY 66%, DON'T YOU THINK THAT IS A GOOD THING? 12:21:21 ? >> I THINK WHAT WOULD BE A BETTER THING IS FOR YOU TO SAY RIGHT NOW YOU RECOGNIZE WE HAVE A GLOBAL CRISIS IN THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA SHOULD HELP LEAD THE WORLD, WORKING WITH CHINA, RUSSIA AND RUSSIA AND COUNTRIES AROUND THE WORLD AND TRANSFORM OUR ENERGY. LET ME CHANGE THE SUBJECT. MORE THAN 60% OF DOE BUDGET DEALS WITH NUCLEAR ENERGY. I THINK MANY AMERICANS WERE CONCERNED ABOUT PRESIDENT-ELECT TRUMPS REMARKS REGARDING ALLOWING OR SUPPORTING MORE COUNTRIES AROUND THE WORLD TO GET NUCLEAR WEAPONS. THE UNITED STATES UNDER DEMOCRATIC AND REPUBLICAN ADMINISTRATIONS FOR MANY, MANY DECADES NOW HAS BEEN STRONG IN SAYING WE WANT NOT TO BE TESTING WEAPONS. DO YOU AGREE THAT TESTING NUCLEAR WEAPONS IS A DANGEROUS IDEA. 12:22:30 ? >> I THINK IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT FOR THE UNITED STATES TO HAVE AN ARSENAL THAT IS MODERN, SAFE. AT THIS TIME I THINK IF WE HAD GENERAL CROSS HERE HE WOULD TELL YOU THAT IS PROBABLY THE CASE. 12:22:50 ? >> THE QUESTION IS DEALING WITH NUCLEAR TESTING. 12:22:53 ? >> YES OR. 12:22:55 ? >> WILL YOU SUPPORT THE BAN ON NUCLEAR TESTING. 12:22:59 ? >> THAT'S WHAT I WAS GETTING TOO, OBVIOUSLY THE SCIENTIST THAT WE HAVE AT THE DOE, THE SCIENTISTS IN THE PRIVATE SECTOR, I'M GOING TO RELY UPON THEIR OBSERVATION WHETHER THERE IS CLEAR IF WE NEVER NEED TO TEST A NUCLEAR WEAPON THAT WOULD BE A GOOD THING, NOT NOT ONLY FOR THE UNITED STATES, BUT FOR THE WORLD. 12:23:39 ? >> SENATOR LEE. 12:23:45 ? >> THANK YOU FOR YOUR WILLINGNESS TO BE CONSIDERED FOR THIS POSITION. I WANT TO TALK TOO ABOUT A COUPLE THINGS THAT RELATE TO THE DEPARTMENT THAT YOU WILL BE HEADING IF YOU ARE CONFIRMED. ONE OF THEM RELATES TO URANIUM, SOMETHING THAT THE SENATOR MENTIONED. IN SOME INSTANCES IT GETS INVOLVED WITH WINNERS AND LOSERS, OFTEN FAVORING LARGE CORPORATIONS OVER NEWER STARTUPS BY THEIR VERY NATURE THEY TEND TO HAVE A HARDER TIME. GOVERNMENT GETS INVOLVED AND OCCUPIES A MARKET AND TAKES OVER THE WHOLE MARKET. ONE OF THOSE AREAS RELATES TO THE DEPARTMENT OF ENERGIES ACCESS URANIUM MANAGEMENT PLAN. THE USEC PRIVATIZATION ACT PROHIBITS THE DEPARTMENT OF ENERGY FROM SELLING OR TRANSFERRING URANIUM. IF THE SALE OR TRANSFER WILL HARM THE DOMESTIC URANIUM INDUSTRY, YOU CAN UNDERSTAND WHY THAT POLICY MIGHT BE IN PLACE. IT'S AN INDUSTRY THAT IF DESTROYED. BETWEEN 2009 AND 2011 THE DEPARTMENT THOUSAND 11 THE DEPARTMENT OF ENERGY TRANSFERRED MORE URANIUM THAN ALLOWED TO TRANSFER UNDER THE 2008 PLAN. THE GAO FOUND NO COMPENSATION FOR A VERY LARGE TRANSFER OF URANIUM. FURTHERMORE, THE DEPARTMENT OF ENERGY 2013 ACCESS URANIUM PLAN ELIMINATED ALL ANNUAL CAPS ON THE TRANSFER. THIS IS A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF UNCERTAINTY IN HAZARD WITHIN THE DOMESTIC URANIUM INDUSTRY. IF YOU ARE CONFIRMED TO THIS POSITION, WE YOU HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY, AFTER BEING CONFIRMED TO UPDATE THE DEPARTMENT OF ENERGY MANAGEMENT PLAN WITH ACCESS URANIUM? CAN YOU ASSURE US THAT YOUR PLAN WILL TAKE INTO ACCOUNT THE COMMERCIAL URANIUM MARKET AND ONE THAT HONORS THE MARKET AND STICK TO THE PLAN THEREAFTER. 12:26:50 ? >> YOU AND SENATOR BARRASSO HELPED BRING ME TO UNDERSTAND THIS ISSUE BETTER THAN WHEN I CAME INTO YOUR OFFICE AND THANK YOU FOR THAT. AS I FURTHER BECOME UP TO SPEED, IF YOU WILL, KNOWLEDGEABLE OF IT, BUT A BROAD LOOK AT THIS, YOU CORRECTLY IDENTIFY THIS AS A BUDGETARY MANAGEMENT ISSUE. I LIKE TO REMIND FOLKS THAT FOR 14 YEARS I DELIVERED A BUDGET TO THE TEXAS LEGISLATOR, WE NEGOTIATED THOSE BUDGETS AND PRIORITIZED. , WORKING WITH MEMBERS OF THIS COMMITTEE TO FIND THE DOLLARS, THE LAW CLEARLY STATES THIS CANNOT, SHOULD NOT HAPPEN TO MANIPULATE THE URANIUM SUPPLIES WHERE IT HAS A NEGATIVE EFFECT. I WILL FOLLOW THE LAW OF THIS COUNTRY. 12:28:16 THANK YOU, I APPRECIATE THAT. I LIKE TO GET OUT ONE MORE POINT. THE NUCLEAR WAS
President George W. Bush / GW Bush Discusses Comprehensive Immigration Reform: Pool and Cuts
President George W. Bush / GW Bush Discusses Comprehensive Immigration Reform in Texas at Anzalduas Park in Mission, Texas. 2:40 P.M. CDT THE PRESIDENT: Thank you all very much. It's good to be home. Thank you for coming. Please be seated. You know, when I left the governor's office, I knew I would leave it in capable hands with Rick Perry. And I'm proud of the job he's done as Governor of the state of Texas, and I'm proud to have been introduced by the Governor of my state. I want to thank you all for the warm welcome. It's nice to get out of Washington. (Laughter.) It's even better to come down to Texas. (Applause.) And I'm proud -- I'm proud to be with my fellow Texans. I learned a lot growing up here. I learned a lot as your governor. And as Rick said, I understand this border, and I want to talk to you today about border policy. We have an obligation to secure our border, and we have an obligation to treat people with decency and respect. And we're going to do both in the United States of America. (Applause.) I just traveled and met some of the fine men and women of the National Guard and Border Patrol who are working long hours to do the -- to keep this border secure. And I first -- I want to say thanks to all the Border Patrol agents and the Guard men and women who are here. (Applause.) You've got a tough job, and the role of the federal government is to give you the tools necessary to do your job. So we landed, and we saw choppers with all kinds of new equipment on it -- airplanes that can interdict people flying in drugs, fast boats to stop the people trying to bring drugs or people up and down the coast of Texas. One of the things you'll hear me talk about is the need to modernize the technology along this border. And that's what we're going to do. I also recognized we needed more people to help the Guard and to help the Border Patrol do its job. And so, last May, I said we'll deploy up to 6,000 National Guard members to assist the Border Patrol. And I said we'd get it done by August 1st. Well, we got it done by August 1st. And I want to thank those in the National Guard who have joined us. (Applause.) It's good to look out in the crowd and see a lot of folks I got to know over the years. And most of the folks that I got to know over the years realize that I married well. And so Laura sends her deep affection to the people of south Texas and our friends here in the audience. She's doing just fine, by the way. She's a great First Lady. (Applause.) And I'm proud to be here with Congressman Ralph Hall, right out of the Dallas area. Thanks for coming, Congressman. He's a fine Texan who cares deeply about the people along the border here. I'm traveling today with the Commissioner of the U.S. Customs and Border Protection, Ralph Basham. Ralph, thank you for joining us. (Applause.) So, what happens when the President sets policy in Washington, like on the Guard policy -- I said, we need to get 6,000 members of the Guard down to help the Border Patrol. And then that order goes down the chain of command, and the first person whose desk it landed on in the chain of command after Secretary Rumsfeld was Lieutenant General Steve Blum of the Guard Bureau. General Blum said, Mr. President, we're going to get the job done. I said, that's good, General Blum, because come August 1st, I'm going to come down to the area and take a look-see. And he did. Thank you, General Blum, for a job well done. (Applause.) David Aguilar is the Chief of the U.S. Border Patrol. I don't know if you know this or not, but David's mother lives here in the area. And he made sure the first person I met when I got off the airplane, as far as he is concerned, was his mother. (Laughter.) One reason he's advanced so highly in the Border Patrol, like the head of the whole thing, is because he has listened to his mother -- (laughter) -- just like I have listened to mine. So thank you for being here, David. Thanks for serving. Major General Chuck Rodriguez, Adjutant General of the Texas National Guard, very instrumental in making sure we've got the troops here to help the Border Patrol. General, thank you very much. General Alan Dehnert is the Adjutant General for the Texas Air National Guard. General Dehnert, thank you very much, as well. General Mike Kostelnik is the Assistant Commissioner, Office of CDP, Air and Marine, U.S. Customs and Border Patrol. Look, he's the guy in charge of airplanes and boats. (Laughter.) We're here, as well, with Lieutenant Colonel Jos Carrillo. He is the Rio Grande Valley Texas National Guard Task Force Commander. See, in other words, when you got to bring people down from other states to help the Border Patrol do their job, you have to have an organization. You just can't send people down here. And one thing the Guard has done well is they've organized this effort. I'm also proud to be here with Chief Lynne Underdown. She is the Rio Grande Valley Border Patrol Sector Chairman. Chief, thank you for being here. Thanks for serving. (Applause.) I want to thank Mayor Salinas of Mission who's with us today. Mayor, thank you for joining us. Proud you're here. (Applause.) Mayor Cortez of McAllen is with us. Mayor, good to see you. Thank you very much. (Applause.) Yes, that's a good sign, Mayor. It's a good sign. Finally, one of my dear friends, I've known him for a long time, and that's Mayor John David Franz of Hidalgo. Mayor, it's good to see you. (Applause.) John David told me just as I got off the airplane -- I said, how is your family? He said, "My son has just enrolled in West Point." And you tell him thank you, John David, on behalf of a grateful nation. (Applause.) For those of you who have got a loved one in the United States military, you tell them the Commander-in-Chief is incredibly proud of the job they're doing to help secure this nation and bring peace to this world. We've got a fantastic military, and it's a military that will have the full support -- (applause.) I'm going to talk today about comprehensive immigration reform. I say comprehensive because unless you have all five pieces working together it's not going to work at all. There's an important debate facing our nation, and the debate is, can we secure this border and, at the same time, honor our history of being a land of immigrants? And the answer is, absolutely, we can do both. And we will do both. (Applause.) First, we've got to secure the border. We will keep it open to lawful trade and commerce, and we will work to secure the border to prevent people and goods and weapons from being brought illegally here. That's our job. It's the job of federal government, it's the job working with the state government to get the job done. That's what the American people expect. All this strategy has got to start with more money, and so we've increased funding for border security from $4.6 billion in 2001 to more than $7.6 billion in 2006. In other words, you can't say the American people are going to make a commitment to secure the border unless you spend money to secure the border, and we're doing just that. And I recently signed an emergency supplemental spending bill that provides an additional $1.9 billion in immediate funding for border security. And what does that mean? Well, it means we're going to give the Border Patrol, the people on the front lines of securing this border, better technology, and we're going to expand the number of Border Patrol agents that will be able to use that technology. That's the strategy. We put new resources in people's hands, and as a result of the hard work of Border Patrol since 2001, federal agents have apprehended and sent home more than 6 million people entering America illegally. People are working hard. There's people doing their job, but we could do more. There's more work to be done. And so we've called for increases in manpower and technology. We're going to train 6,000 additional agents, so that you've got more people to help you do the job. And in the meantime, the reason we brought the Guard down here was because we knew we had an immediate need to enforce the border. And so, until those 6,000 are trained, we're going to be using National Guard units from over 30 states here. And the plan is working. It makes sense. If we need more manpower and the need for manpower is immediate, it makes sense to call upon our Guard troops to come and help the Border Patrol do the job. We're going to help build a virtual border by using infrared and motion sensors. We'll deploy unmanned aerial vehicles, and those are going to leverage the manpower we have. It's amazing, the new technologies that are arriving. People are -- these Border Patrol agents will tell you that they're seeing more and better equipment. You got heat sensors on guard stations that will enable people to detect movement. We got choppers that are able to send real-time video streams back to Border Patrol command centers that will then enable a dispatcher to help an agent catch somebody who's smuggling people or drugs on a near real-time basis. This border is changing, and it needs to change so the Border Patrol can do its job. We call this, by the way, this operation when we moved the Guard down here, Operation Jump-Start. So when you hear about Operation Jump Start, that means Guard. And the Guard has helped a lot. You know, it's interesting that -- and by the way, the Guard is not just in Texas. It's in Mexico, Arizona, and California, as well. In other words, Border Patrol agents all up and down this southern border are getting help from our Guard men and women. And the Guard are doing -- look, they're not arresting people. We're not going to militarize this border. The job of arresting people is up to the Border Patrol. That's your job. That's what you're trained to do. That's what your skill level is. Their job is to help the Border Patrol -- you know, surveillance and construction, logistics. I mean, if you've got a Guard person dispatching, it means there's more -- one more Border Patrol agent out on the front line. And so we're going to use this Guard until we get 6,000 more people trained. For the people who wonder whether the Guard could be effective down here when we deployed Operation Jump Start, since we've deployed it, our agents have seen 17,000 pounds of illegal drugs and apprehended 2,500 illegal immigrants. In other words, the Guard is leveraging -- giving the Border Patrol more opportunity. Last month, Border Patrol agents in this sector confiscated more than 4,200 pounds of marijuana that was hidden in a tractor trailer. And the support of the Guard was important in making this seizure happen. So for those of you in the Guard, I want to thank you for coming down here and helping these good folks in the Border Patrol, and your presence is making a difference. (Applause.) In order to make sure the Border Patrol is effective, we've got to stop what's called catch and release. For the veterans down here, they know what catch and release means. And it had to have been discouraging for you -- risk your life, or you're spending long hours, and all of a sudden, you apprehend people who are sneaking in here illegally. But we didn't have enough detention space to hold people. And so the people are given a court date. And they said, you check back in when your court date comes back up. But a lot of folks didn't want to check back in when their court date came up. So they just didn't show up. And one of the things I learned early on was how discouraging that can be for the people on the front line of securing this border. You can imagine what it must feel like to work hard and chase somebody down, treat them humanely, send them in for their court date -- and they don't show up. It seemed like wasted effort, didn't it? So this government is committed to ending this unacceptable practice. Step one is to add detention beds. If you didn't have enough detention space in the first place, the way you solve the problem is you add beds. And here in the Rio Grande Valley, we're going to add 1,500 beds in short order. We're also accelerating the deportation process, particularly for people who are not from Mexico that we catch coming across the border. Last year, for example, we put together what was called Operation Texas Hold 'Em. We cut through red tape so we could quickly return Brazilians that we caught illegally crossing this border. We sent a clear message: When we catch you there will be immediate deportation. And guess what happened. As a result of that clear message the number of illegal immigrants from Brazil has dropped significantly across the whole region. That's the message we must continually send over and over again to people who feel like they can come from Central America, for example, and if caught, be let back into society, and if not caught, they're able to escape the Border Patrol. We want to send a clear message: We will enforce our border. But in order to make sure these Border Patrol agents can do their job, we must have a temporary worker program. You got to understand here, and I know you do, there are people doing jobs Americans aren't doing. There are people who have come across this border to do work Americans are not doing. And it makes sense to let them come on a temporary basis in a legal way. (Applause.) Wouldn't you rather have people who are doing work Americans are not doing not trying to sneak across the border? I know the Border Patrol agents would rather not have people try to sneak across the border. It makes sense to me to say to somebody, if you're going to do a job Americans aren't doing, you can come for a period of time -- say, three years -- and do that work, and support your family back home. And then you go home after your time is up. That's the way to treat people humanely. I don't like a system that's not working, and a system that forces people who want to work in the back of 18-wheelers. I don't like a system that encourages smuggling. I don't like a system that encourages people to walk across the desert to risk their life. (Applause.) I think we need to have a system that is orderly and fair and transparent. We've got to enforce our immigration laws at the work site. But as a result of illegal activities in trying to get people into this country, there's a lot of document forgery. Our employers cannot be document verifiers. They don't know whether they've got a real document to look at or a fake document to look at. One of the temporary -- parts of the temporary worker program would be to give people a tamper-proof temporary worker card, that they could say, I'm legal, I'm here to do the job, I'm going to work for a period of time and then I'm going to go home after I work a period of time. I can be here legally. That will make it easier for us to have work site enforcement. Listen, we will hold people to account. It's against the law in the United States to employ somebody who is here illegally. And a nation of law is a nation that upholds its laws. But we've got to be wise about the policy that we enforce. We've got to give people something that document forgers can't tamper with, so our employers know whether or not they're hiring somebody who's here illegally, or not. Fourthly, we've got to make sure that we resolve the status of illegal immigrants who are already in this country. It's an interesting debate taking place in America -- I'll give you my position. One, I do not think we ought to grant amnesty to people who are here illegally. And the reason I don't is I think that will encourage a whole other bunch of people to come. (Applause.) But I know you cannot deport 10 million people who have been here working. It's unrealistic. It may sound good in certain circles and political circles. It's not going to work. The best plan is to say to somebody who has been here illegally, if you've been paying your taxes, and you've got a good criminal record, that you can pay a fine for being here illegally, and you can learn English, like the rest of us have done, and you can get in a citizenship line to apply for citizenship. You don't get to get in the front, you get to get in the back of the line. But this idea of deporting people is just not -- it doesn't make any sense to me, and it doesn't make any sense to a lot of people who understand this issue. So here's a reasonable way to treat people with respect and accomplish what we want to accomplish, which is to be a country of law and a country of decency and respect. (Applause.) And finally, in order to make a comprehensive immigration plan work, we've got to help folks assimilate into our society. And what does that mean? It means, help people learn English, to help people understand the traditions and history of the United States of America. One of the fabulous things about our country is that our soul has constantly been renewed by people seeking the American Dream, people coming here to work to realize their dream, people wanting to raise a family in the United States of America. And we come from different backgrounds, but we're all united by the great ideal of being an American citizen. That's why we say, we're one nation under God. And to help people assimilate will help us keep that in place. (Applause.) And so it's good to be down here on our border. It's an exciting part of the United States of America. It's amazing how this country has grown and how vital the valley is of the state of Texas. It's got to be exciting for people to grow up in this part of the world and see the new prosperity. Gosh, it wasn't all that long ago that -- I know these Mayors can remember -- the economy was tough down here. It was kind of farming, and that was all. And now, there's economic vitality. People are making a living, and the schools are improving. It's a great place to raise a family. It's a great place to also come and honor those who wear the uniform of the United States of America, whether it be local law enforcement, or the sheriff's departments, or the Border Patrol, or the United States military. We're a blessed country. We're a great country because we've got people who stand up and say, I want to serve. And it's the service of the men and women in uniform that are doing the job down here that the American people expect. I can't tell you how proud I am to be the Commander-in-Chief of the military and to be the President of the United States, full of such decent and honorable people. I'm honored to be back in this part of the world. I want to thank you for coming out and giving me a chance to talk about a comprehensive immigration plan. I expect the United States Congress to do its duty and pass comprehensive immigration reform. God bless. (Applause.) 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CAMPAIGN 2012 / GINGRICH LAS VEGAS NEVADA 020312
IN INTERPLAY: 5115 CAMPAIGN 2012 GINGRICH RALLY LAS VEGAS NV 020312 13:53:47 Gingrich and Callista walk to stage and ascend to the podium, gladhanding with supporters holding 'newt 2012' placards. "Only in America" plays in background. 13:54:50: gingrich indicates something in crowd and laughs 13:55:01: Gingrich: "A certain amount of rhythm was starting to build right then - that's fun, that's great. Thank you very much for hosting us - this was a great opportunity the day before the Caucaus. I want to say thank you for all your help and we need your help tomorrow during the caucaus, we're grateful that you're here. I also have to tell you as a former teacher speaking with a number of the students behind me (LAUGHTER) - keep an eye on them, make sure that they stay okay. (LAUGHTER) But Callista and I are thrilled to be here. I want to ask you all a question that I think actually defines the race at the primary level and explains a lot about why we are going to contest this all the way to Tampa and why we are going to win the nomination." (CHEERS) 13:55:48: "A very simple set of questions: how many of you agree that Washington is badly on the wrong track?" (APPLAUSE) (WOMAN IN CROWD SHOUTS: 'YOU ARE GOING TO WIN!') Gingrich: "Thank you - this is a future commercial" (GINGRICH AND CROWD LAUGH) 13:56:12: Gingrich: "How many of you also agree that it's about a lot more than personality, it's about fundamental policies and fundamental - (DROWNED OUT BY CHEERS) "And how many of you think it's a lot more than the Oval Office, it's about the Congress and the Courts, it's the bureaucracy?" (CHEERS) 13:56:38: Gingrich: "Well - one last question, how many of you agree that even if we win a decisive victory, which I think we could win this one - that the old order will fight everyday to stop us?" (CHEERS) "Now, given what you've just said - if you want to see the clearest and simplest explanation of why Callista and I chose to run, knowing there would be attack ads, knowing we'd get hit in the media, all the stuff you have to live through in order to serve the country. There's a brand new video that was released this morning in which George Soros, who is a billionaire, (BOOS) "Okay, so you at least in general have a good idea of who George Soros is then - well every once in awhile the clouds part and enlightenment comes in. And it dawns on the World Economic Forum where all the big guys get together annually to discuss their view of the world. Soros gave an interview to a European reporter, and we have it in our new video, and he says: "you know, between Obama and Romney there's no real difference - " ('YEAH!') "And the new video starts with Soros saying there's no real difference, and then it takes you to gun control where Romney was for Massachusetts gun control, it takes you through taxes where Romney increased taxes, it takes you through Obamney care - where they're identical, it takes you all the way down the list and then it ends with Soros saying you know: 'there's no real difference.' It isn't good enough for the Republican party to nominate Obamalite." 13:58:44: "Now - let me tell you what the difference is - if you're a genuine Conservative, first of all you don't say that you 'don't care about the poor'. As a genuine Conservative you believe that we are endowed by our Creator with certain unalienable rights among those which are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness" (CHEERS) 13:59:09: "And we think it is the Left has abandoned and betrayed the poor because it's safety net is actually a spiderweb and it traps people in dependency." (CHEERS) 13:59:25: "My goal, unlike Governor Romney, is not to ignore the poor. My goal is to turn the safety net into a trampoline to allow the poor to rise to be like the rest of us and have a job and buy a house!" (CHEERS - STANDING OVATION) 14:00:00: "And now I challenge Governor Romney to a Lincoln-Douglass style debate, no moderator, timekeeper - let's talk about our two visions of America, mine is for all Americans, mine is inclusive, mine is progress for everybody, mine is a job for every American, I want to pit paychecks against food stamps, I want to say: 'I want every American to have a paycheck'. We now know from Governor Romney, he joins Obama, Obama's big food stamp, he's little food stamp but they both think food stamps are okay. I don't think food stamps are a future for America, they're a necessary bridge back to getting a job and back to being independent from government." (CHEERS) 14:00:45: "I do not believe the Republican party wants to nominate a George Soros-approved candidate, I think we want a candidate who represents Americans who work, pay taxes, and believe in the Declaration of Independence not somebody who clearly is against the American ideal." (CHEERS) 14:01:05: "Governor Romney trying to recover from his 'boo boo' as the elite media did exactly what Obama will do this fall which is playing 'I don't really care about the poor' which by the way is not a clever thing for somebody's whose very wealthy to say. I mean talk about every possible of what we don't want in a general election candidate. He then come backs and says 'well, he's really for indexing minimum wage to inflation'. Now this is just a stunningly inflationary idea. We have today in Nevada 31% teenage unemployment, we hve today nationwide 43% African-American teenage unemployment. Govenor Romney would raise the barrier against them getting a job, increase long-term unemployment, because the truth is I don't think he understand the free market. I think he understands a lot about finance. But finance isn't the free market and Wall Street isn't Main Street and giant businesses aren't small businesses and what matters in America is the ability of a small local businessperson, man or woman, to go out and create enough jobs and hire enough people and start people down the road - my theory of life is simple: we want you to get a job, then we want you to get a better job, and someday we want you to own the job." (CHEERS) 14:02:30: "Now I'm going to talk about a couple of things that relate directly to Nevada and which I hope you will go to the Caucauses and explain to everybody that shows up, okay? Because I'm going to be clear - this is a campaign about people power versus money power." (SHOUTS OF 'YEAH!') "You look at George Soros' of the world, you know who their candidate is. You can tell by the amount of money he's put on TV in attack ads. But if you look at folks, everyday people, we have 160,000 donors at newt.org the average, 97% are less than $250. We have everyday people who walk up and say they really care about this country's future. Now in that setting, let me talk about three things that matter here in Nevada: jobs, gasoline, and housing." 14:03:08: "Start with jobs - we need a decisive, aggressive American jobs program for the whole country and that means what Reagan did and what I did. Under Reagan we created 16 million new jobs in the 4 years I was Speaker. Working with Bill Clinton we created 11 million jobs, we got unemployment down to 4.2% - can you imagine how healthy we'd be as a country right now at 4.2%? How do you do it? You cut taxes, you cut regulations, you develop American energy, and you praise the people who create jobs. The opposite of Obamaism. Obama raises taxes, increases regulation, is anti-American energy, and engages in class warfare. It's sort of the anti-jobs Presidency." 14:04:02: "Now in that setting we have a very bold tax program - we propose a 0 capital gains tax to bring hundreds of billions of dollars into America in investment overnight." (CHEERS) 14:04:18: "We propose 100% new expensing so whether you're a factory, a farm, a mine, whatever you are - all new equipment is written off in one year, with the goal being to make American workers the most productive workers in the world." "We also propose changing unemployment compensation so that if you sign up for unemployment compensation you automatically enroll in a business-training program to increase your skill level." 14:04:53: "We should never ever again give someone 99 weeks of money for doing nothing." (CHEERS) 14:05:02: "In 99 weeks you could earn an Associate's Degree. I mean it's just profoundly wrong the way it's currently designed." 14:5:09: "We also reduce the corporate tax rate to 12.5% which is the Irish level, lower than the Canadian tax level that means about 700 billion dollars of profits locked up overseas will come home." "It means that businesses will be able to compete in the world market and I tell my liberal friends it even means that General Electric will pay taxes. Because at 12.5%, it's cheaper to fire the tax lawyers and write the check." "Now we also abolish the death permanately beacuse it is an anti-jobs, anti-work, anti-savings tax." (CHEERS) 14:05:53: "Finally, for individuals, we adopt an idea that's been going on in Hong Kong for over 40 years. We create a tax code that says you can keep the current code, all the deductions, all the paperwork, all the red tape or you can adopt a 15% flat tax where you fill in this is how much I earned, this is how many dependants I have, here's the money. One page" (APPLAUSE) "Now we had picked 15%, I was just on a conference call with Governor Rick Perry who had also had a flat tax in his campaign, we were talking about how powerful this idea is - and we picked 15% before we learned Governor Romney had actually paid about 15%, what makes me the opposite of liberals is that liberals are going to say to you 'we've got to raise Governor Romney's taxes'. No. I want to lower your taxes to the Romney rate, so we're calling this the 'Mitt Romney flat tax' (CHEERS) 14:07:02: "And I had a very simple principle, this is why the Washington-New York establishment is so deeply against me - I have no intention of raising revenue to catch up with Obama's spending, I have every intention of shrinking spending to get down to the level of revenues." (CHEERS - STANDING OVATION - CHEERS OF 'NEWT', GINGRICH LOOKS DELIGHTED AND LAUGHS) 14:07:43: "I just want to point out - Ronald (indicates man standing in back of him on platform) - who started that last outburst behind me. He's an example of what I mean by people power. He has made 2300 phone calls helping the campaign." (APPLAUSE) "And by the way - he told me yesterday that makes him #5 of our volunteers around the country, I can't imagine how many calls #1 has made - but this is how we're off-setting the Romney machine. We have people out here talking to people, some Twitter, some Facebook, some e-mail, some telephone, a few even see each other physically face-to-face (LAUGHTER) It's an old-fashioned way of doing things. But we encourage all of that." 14:08:26: "So - having helped in 1997 pass the Balanced Budget Act which led to four consecutive balanced budget. And remember we were doing that with a liberal Democrat in the White House. So the ability to work across the aisle and the ability to get something done that seemed impossible. The only time in your lifetime we've had four consecutive balanced budgets, paid off 405 billion dollars in debt. How do you do it? You get the economy going, you rebuild the American energy system so that it's paying royalties to the government and you control spending and reformed the government. I've done it before, I'm the only person in this race who can say I helped balance the federal budget for four consecutive years." (CHEERS) 14:09:12: "One of the keys to this is that in addition to accelerating job creation and that means in my judgement, you have to also have regulatory reform. So I would replace the Environmental Protection Agency with a brand-new Environmental Solutions Agency." (CHEERS) "Which will have to apply common sense and will have to cooperate with States as opposed to dictating to them." 14:09:42: "In addition, I would modernize the Food and Drug Administration, I would fundamentally reform the Occupational Safety and Health Administration; there are a number of steps we need to take on the regulatory side. But it's really important to build from jobs, now let me talk about gasoline and energy. Obama has more than doubled the cost of gasoline since he became President. Now if you're a NY Times editorial writer and you live in a high-rise in Manhattan and you ride the subway this is all very cool and you're really glad to see that Americans are being punished for paying for the energy they shouldn't be using anyway. But if you live in the rest of America, this is a disaster. It's directly expensive because each one of you knows everytime you fill up your truck or your car that in fact it's a real problem. But it's also an indirect problem because every truck that delivers groceries, everything made of plastic, all this stuff builds up prices this is part of what happens to the cost of food, it's what happens to the cost of electricity and so the President's anti-American energy policy is a disaster." 14:10:45: "He also has an anti-mining policy. Remember when you talk about jobs in Nevada, mining is the #2 employer in Nevada." (APPLAUSE) "Now you're a state in which the Federal government owns approximately 85% of the state. Okay? And the Bureau of Land Management is anti-farming, anti-agriculture, and anti-development. It makes you wonder exactly who they think is going to pay their wages. I mean if the Left actually ends up destroying all of free enterprise where are they going to get any money to run their government. That's right they'll borrow it from China to pay Brazil, it's not a very sustainable model. (APPLAUSE) "So I come from the opposite direction - The Bureau of Land Management should be reformed to use common sense and to actually favor development. Look Theodore Roosevelt was a Conservationist, not a Preservationist. He thought land was there to be used wisely. He thought we had an obligation to use it intelligently. He wanted renewable forest. But he also understood Forest Services has forgotten. If you don't take care of the forests, they get destroyed. We've lost a million acres in wood in Arizona through mismanagement by the Forest Service. And so we need to have an honest, fundamental change in how we approach this." 14:12:02: "But in the area of energy, we have more energy in the United States than any other country in the world - more than Saudi Arabia, more than Canada - and you have an anti-energy President. Now this is not complicated." "If we create enough opportunities to develop oil and gas and coal, you go down the list, biofuels, solar, and wind - I am for an all-source American energy solution and I have two goals in mind: the first is economic. We want to keep the money at home. We want to create the jobs at home. And we want to drive down the cost of energy so we can have a very vibrant economy with inexpensive energy. That's the economic goal." (APPLAUSE) 14:12:54: "there is no objective reason we can't get back to $2 a gallon for gasoline. You know when Michele Bachmann said this all sorts of left-wingers attacked but the fact is that $2 gasoline wasn't very long ago and this is without us producing any energy. When you watch the Iranians practice closing the Straits of Hormus so they can blackmail the world. You know the #1 security goal of the United States should be an energy policy that makes us independent of all these dictatorships." (APPLAUSE) 14:13:28: "And I have a simple measure of our American energy policy: no President should ever again bow to a Saudi King, period." (STANDING OVATION AND CHEERS - CHANTS OF 'NEWT') 14:13:52: "Now, well I would say out of the current group (AUDIENCE MEMBER SHOUTS OUT 'ALAN WEST' (?)" "Well yes, Alan West did know how to fight them and did." 14:14:10: "Let me go one step further because I want to build on what we're talking about, in terms of where we have to go as a country. We can solve our energy problems. An example - if you know what you're doing, I know this is a big idea to the Obama Administration and frankly it's a major reason against hiring any of my three main competitors because the truth is to actually get the American Constitutional system to work is really complicated. It was designed by the Founding Fathers to be really complicated. They wanted to invent a machine so inefficient that no dictator could force it to work. They succeeded so brilliantly we can barely get it to work voluntarily. And it takes leadership." 14:14:55: "So let me give you an example as it relates to energy and to leadership. This President, in an utterly destructive move, vetoed the Keystone Pipeline." (BOOS) "By the way to show you how much this relates everywhere, yesterday I was at 'Extreme Manufacturing' right here in Las Vegas. And 'Extreme Manufacturing' makes forklifts - they would actually make forklifts to be used in building the Pipeline so it directly relates to jobs in Las Vegas. People need to understand this is not some Midwestern problem." 14:15:30: "Listen, here is a President in the middle of great economic problems with gasoline having doubled in price says 'I'm going to turn down 30-50,000 in construction jobs, I'm going to turn down Houston and Galveston processing and shipping oil for 50 years and I'm going to drive Canada into a partnership with China due West across the Rockies to Vancouver'. Now this is about as destructive, just imagine an American President who drives Canada into a partnership with China." "So I want to say to the Canadians - you don't have to cut a deal with the Chinese. Election night - when Obama's defeated - start (APPLAUSE) "Start ordering the construction equipment because on the first day I am President I will sign an executive order to approve the Keystone Pipeline as of that day." (CHEERS) 14:16:43: "Let me also say, it's an example of 'if you know what you're doing, things'll get done' - I'm going to make two pledges to you. One is conditional. The other is unconditional. If you will help me and together we keep the Senate seat here Republican, we pick up Senate seats around the country, we increase our strength in the House and we do it on a platform this fall that is an agenda like the contract was, where people know what they're running for. Part of that contract will say when this Congress is sworn in on January 3rd it will not go home, it will stay in session and by the time I am sworn in as President on January 22nd it will have repealed Obamacare completely." (CHEERS - STANDING OVATION) 14:17:35: "It will have repealed the Dodd-Frank bill which is killing the housing business." (APPLAUSE) "And by the way, the current estimate is that 1,000 small banks will go out of business in the next 2 years because of Dodd-Frank, that's how bad it is." "Finally, it will repeal Sarbanes-Oxley which is a redtape bill that costs businesses money with no positive results. All three - (APPLAUSE) "We want to campaign on all three being on my desk so that the very first day I am President you can watch me sign the repeal of Obamacare, the repeal of Dodd-Frank, the repeal of Sarbanes-Oxley, and that's in the opening 10 minutes." (CHEERS) 14:18:26: "Now in addition, there's going to be a series of executive orders. I already mentioned one to you, the Keystone Pipeline. And we're going to have these all published by October 1st so everyone will know if you vote for Newt Gingrich this is where we're going, if you vote for Barack Obama this is where you're going. If you go to newt.org right now you can offer your ideas and we'll have them all posted. Let me just give you two or three quick examples: 1) the very first executive order will abolish all of the White House Czars as of that day." (CHEERS - CHANTS OF 'NEWT') 14:19:15: "2 - as many of you know, the Obama Administration has declared war on the Catholic Church. I will sign an executive order on the very first day repealing every anti-religious act of the Obama administration." (APPLAUSE) 14:19:39: "And - I will sign an executive order instructing the State Department that as of that day to open the American embassy in Jerusalem in recognition of Israel." (APPLAUSE) 14:19:56: "I should tell you by the way, since your dog is here we have a section you can go to that's for pets with newt (LAUGHTER) so you can actually, oh see he's all ready! So you can pet right there on 'petswithnewt'." "I, by the way, thought it was quite clever the other day that the Obama team opened up 'pet owners for Obama', about 5 weeks after we opened up 'petswithnewt'. (SCATTERED BOOS) Imitation is a high form of flattery." (LAUGHTER) "I'm for it - the next thing you know Obama will be saying he likes jobs, a lot of things will come down the road, it'll be very very exciting." 14:20:32: "I want to talk briefly about housing. I want to say first of all that sadly Governor Romney is currently running an ad that is totally fale and misleading and he knows it." "I urged the Congress to vote 'no' - it's in the NY Times in 2008. I said 'do not give Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac any more money.' These are institutions that are out of control, they're ineffective, they need to be broken up, and frankly I believe that each of them should be broken up into 5 or 6 smaller companies and gradually weaned of all government sponsorship and they ought to be back in the housing business. What they are doing right now is making it harder to refinance mortgages and Congress ought to be investigating them right now because their current behavior is totally against the interest of American housing." (APPLAUSE) 14:21:23: "We did not create Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac so rich guys like Mitt Romney and Goldman Sachs could make money. We created them to provide low-cost housing to the American people and their current behavior is a betrayal of the very purpose of founding them and Congress should be investigating them right now." (CHEERS) 14:21:45: "We did four things: repeal Dodd-Frank immediately which will make housing prices start back up becuse Dodd-Frank is depressing housing prices. It has federal regulators going around telling banks 'don't make loans'. We have a personal friend who put down a bid on a house in May and it took him until December to get it approved. All of this is driving down the price of housing, increasing the number of foreclosures, so that's number 1. Number 2 - Fannie and Freddie should be told unequivocally 'you will refinance everybody who is eligible for a lower-cost mortgage' because you will save them hundreds of millions of dollars a month. We are not in the business of making Fannie and Freddie profitable, we are in the business of helping the American people keep their homes." (APPLAUSE) 14:22:26: "3: As I said they should be broken up as a rapidly as possible and 4: we have to get the economy growing. You cannot sustain housing prices if people don't have jobs and so we need to get back to a full-employment economy. America only works when Americans are working, it's that simple." (APPLAUSE) 14:22:48: "Let me say one last thing in conclusion because I want you to understand how deeply I feel about this. We have to have a national security program that is fundamentally stronger, clearer, and far more powerful than Obama. We are in real danger, and I say this because there are many people here from (?) and elsewhere, who understand the realities of the world." "We are in real danger of the Obama administration so weakening our defenses, cutting the budget so deeply, and following policies of appeasing our radical, Islamist enemies to such a degree that we are literally going to put American cities at risk." 14:23:26: "We need a national security program that recognizes the long-term challenge from China and recognizes the immediate challenge from radical Islamists and is prepared to do what is necessary to protect the United States of America." (CHEERS) 14:23:49: "So if you're going to help me tomorrow, go home and Facebook, Tweet, e-mail, whatever - tell every friend you've got to go to the Caucaus tomorrow. You go to the Caucaus and speak up for a people's campaign. Then this fall one of our key symbols is going to be very simple. I want to be the best paycheck President in American history. Barack Obama is the best food stamp President in American history. His policies have put more people on food stamps than any other President in history, I don't believe there is a neighborhood in America of any ethnic background in which a majority of parents would rather have their children be dependent on food stamps rather than independent earning a paycheck. And I want us to run, while I'm running for the Republican nomination, I want us to run an American campaign this fall. I want to ask every American three simple questions - if you'd rather have a paycheck than food stamps come join us, if you believe the Declaration of Independence is more important than the radicalism of Saul Alinsky come with us." (CHEERS) 14:25:00: "If you believe there is danger in the world and you want America strong enough to be safe, come join us." (APPLAUSE) "With your help - with your help, together, we will win the nomination and we will then win the election and we will then have an extraordinarily exciting time because we will change the establishment, we will get America back on the right track together. Thank you and God bless you!"
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HOUSE INTELLIGENCE COMMITTEE: KURT VOLKER AND TIM MORRISON TESTIMONY Kurt Volker, the former U.S. special envoy to Ukraine, and Tim Morrison, a National Security Council aide, publicly testified before the House Judiciary Committee as part of impeachment inquiry of President Trump. 152538 SCHIFF >> Meeting will come to order. Good afternoon. This is the fourth in a series of public hearings the committee will be holding as part of the house of representatives impeachment inquiry. Without objection the chair is authorized to declare a recess of the committee at any time. There is a quorum present. We'll proceed today in the same fashion as our other hearings. I'll make an opening statement and then the ranking member will have an opportunity to make his opening statement and we will turn to our witnesses for opening statements and then to questions. 152604 With that, I now recognize myself to give an opening statement in the impeachment inquiry into Donald J Trump the 45th president of the United States. This afternoon we will hear from two witnesses requested by the minority, ambassador Kurt Volker, the state department special representative for Ukraine negotiations and Tim Morrison, the senior -- former senior director of European affairs at the national security council. 152629 I appreciate the minority's request for these two important witnesses, as well as undersecretary of state David Hale from whom we will hear tomorrow. As we have heard from other witnesses, when Joe Biden was considering whether to enter the race for presidency in 2020, the presidents personal lawyer Rudy Giuliani began a campaign to weaken vice president Biden's candidacy by pushing Ukraine to investigate him and his son. 152655 To clear away any obstacle to the scheme, days after the new Ukrainian president was elected, Trump ordered the recall of Marie Yovanovitch, the American ambassador in Kiev, who was konw n for pushing anti corruption efforts. Trump also canceled Mike pence's participation in the inauguration of president zelenskiy on May 20 and instead sent a delegation headed by Energy Secretary Rick Perry, ambassador to the EU Gordan sondland and ambassador Kurt Volker. 152725 These three returned from kiev and briefed president trump on their encouraging first interactions with the new Ukrainian administration. Hopes that trump would agree to an early meeting with Ukrainian president were soon diminished, however, when Trump pushed back. According to Volker, he just didn't believe it. He was skeptical and said "That's not what I hear. I hear, you know, he's got some terrible people around him." President trump also told them he believed that Ukraine tried to take him down. He told the three amigos "talk to Rudy" and they did. 152800 One of those interactions took place a week before the July 25th phone call between Trump and Zelenskiy when ambassador Volker had breakfast with Rudy Giuliani at the Trump hotel. Volker testified that he pushed back on Giuliani's accusation against Joe Biden. On July 22nd, just days before trump would talk To zelenskiy, ambassador Volker had a telephone conference with Giuliani and Andriy Yermak, top advisor to the Ukranian president so that Giuliani could be introduced to Yermak. 152830 On July 25th, the same day as the call between president Trump and Zelenskiy but before it took place, ambassador Volker sent a text message to Yermak: "heard from the white house, assuming president Z convinces Trump, he will investigate/get to the bottom of what happened in 2016. We will nail down date for a visit to Washington. Good luck. Exclamation point." 152856 Later that day Donald Trump would have the now infamous phone call with Zelenskiy in which he responded to Ukraine's appreciation for U.S. Defense support and a request by president Zelenskiy to buy more javelin anti-tank missiles by saying "I would like you to do us a favor, though." And the favor involved the two investigations that Giuliani had been pushing for into the Bidens in 2016. Ambassador Volker was not on the call but when asked what it reflected he testified "no president of the United States should ask a foreign leader to help interfere in a U.S. Election." 152933 Among those listening in on the July 25th call was Tim Morrison who had taken over as the NSC's senior director for European Affairs at the NSC only days before, but had been briefed by his predecessor Fiona Hill about the irregular second channel that was operating parallel to the official one. Lieutenant Colonel Vinman and Ms. Williams from whom we heard this morning---like them, Morrison emerged from the call, troubled. He was concerned enough about what he heard on the July 25th call that he went to see the NSC senior advisors soon after it had ended. 153008 Colonel Vindman's fear was that the President had broken the law, potentially, but Morrison said his concern was that the call could be damaging if it were leaked. Soon after this discussion with lawyers at the NSC, the call record was hidden away on a secure server used to store highly classified intelligence, where it remained until late September when the call record was publicly released. 153035 Following the July 25th call, Ambassador Volker worked with Sondland and the Ukrainian president's close advisor Yermak on a statement that would satisfy Giuliani. When Yermak sent over a draft that still failed to include the specific words Burisma and 2016, Giuliani said the statement would lack credibility. Ambassador Volker then added both Burisma and 2016 to the draft statement. Both Volker and Morrison were, by late July, aware that the security assistance had been cut off at the direction of the President and acting White House Chief of Staff Mick Mulvaney. 153107 As the Ukrainians became aware of the suspension of security assistance and the negotiations over the scheduling of a White House meeting between Trump and Zelenskiy dragged on, the pressure increased and any pretense that there was no linkage soon dropped away. Morrison accompanied Vice-President Pence to Warsaw on September 1, where Pence and Zelenskiy met and Zelenskiy raised the suspended security assistance. 153132 Following that meeting, Sondland approached Yermak to tell him that he believed that what could help them move the aid was if the Ukrainian prosecutor general would go to the mike and announce that he was opening the Burisma investigation. On September 7, Ambassador Sondland had a telephone call with Trump and asked him what he wanted from Ukraine. According to Morrison, who spoke with Sondland after the call, Trump insisted that there was no quid pro quo, but President Zelenskiy must personally announce the opening of the investigations and he should want to do it. 153206 Sondland also said that, if President Zelenskiy didn't agree to make a public statement about the investigations, the U.S. and Ukraine would be at a stalemate-meaning, it would not receive the much-needed security assistance. Morrison had "a sinking feeling" after the call as he realized that the ask was now being directed at Zelenskiy himself and not the Prosecutor Gener -- General as Sondland had relayed to a senior Ukrainian aide in Warsaw on September 1. 153234 While president Trump claimed there was no quid pro quo, his insistence that Zelenskiy himself must publicly announce the investigations or they would be at a stalemate, made clear that at least two official acts - a White House meeting and $400 million in military aid - were conditioned on receipt of what Trump wanted, the investigations to help his campaign. 153258 The efforts to secure the investigations would continue for several more days, but appear to have abruptly ended soon after the three Committees of Congress announced an investigation into the Trump-Giuliani-Ukraine scheme. Only then, would the aid be released. I now recognize ranking member Nunes for any remarks he would like to make. 153319 NUNES>> Welcome come back to Act II of today's circus, ladies and gentlemen. We are here to continue what the Democrats tell this is a serious, somber, and even prayerful process of attempting to overthrow a duly elected president. If they are successful, the end result would be to disenfranchise tens of millions of Americans who thought the president is chosen by the American people, not by a 13 Democrat partisans on a committee that is supposed to be overseeing the government's intelligence agencies. 153351 And isn't it strange how we have morphed into the impeachment committee, presiding over a matter that has no intelligence component whatsoever. Impeachment, of course, is the jurisdiction of the judiciary committee, not the intelligence committee. Putting this farce in our court provides two main advantages for the Democrats. It made it easier for them to shroud their depositions in secrecy and it allowed them to avoid giving too big of a role, in this spectacle, to another democratic committee chairman in whom the Democrat leaders obviously have no confidence. 153429 Who can possibly view these proceedings as fair and impartial? They are being conducted by Democrats who spent three years saturating the airways with dire warnings that President Trump is a Russian agent and these outlandish attacks continue to this very day. Just this weekend, in front of a crowd of democratic party activists, the chairman of this committee denounced president trump as a profound threat to our democracy. 153458 And vowed that "we will send that a charlatan in the white house back to the golden throne he came from." How can anyone believe that people who would utter such dramatic absurdities are conducting a fair impeachment process and are only trying to discover the truth? It is obvious the Democrats are trying to topple the president solely because they despise him. Because they promised since election day to impeach him and because they are afraid he will win reelection next year. 153530 No witnesses have identified any crime or impeachable offense committed by the president, but that doesn't matter. Last week, the Democrats told us his infraction was asking for a quid pro quo. This week, it';s bribery. Who knows what ridiculous crime they will be accusing him of next week. As witnesses, the Democrats have called a parade of government officials who don't like president Trump's Ukraine policy. Even though they the knowledge he provided Ukraine with lethal military aid after the Obama administration refused to do so. 153611 They also resent his conduct of policy through channels outside their own authority and control. These actions they argue contradict the so-called inter-agency consensus. They don't seem to understand that the president alone is constitutionally vested with the authority to set the policy. The American people elect a president, not an interagency consensus. 153639 And of course, our previous witnesses had very lit new -- very little new information to share in these hearings. That's because these hearings are not designed to uncover new information. They are meant to showcase a handpicked group of witnesses who the Democrats determined through their secret audition process will provide testimony most conductive -- conducive to their accusations. 153703 In fact, by the time any witness says anything here, people are actually hearing it for the third time. They heard it first through the Democrats cherry pick leaks to their media sympathizers during the secret depositions. And second, when the Democrats published those deposition transcripts in a highly staged manner. Of course, there are no transcripts from crucial witnesses like Hunter Biden, who could testify about his well-paying job on the board of a corrupt Ukrainian company or Alexander Chalupa who worked on an election meddling scheme with Ukranian officials on behalf the democratic national committee and the Clinton campaign. 153742 That is because the Democrats refused to let us hear from them. As for evidence, we're left with -- what we're left with is the transcript of the trump-zelenskiy phone call which the president made public. That means Americans can read for themselves an unremarkable conversation with president zelenskiy who repeatedly expressed satisfaction with the call afterward. 153805 The Democrats however claimed president Zelenskiy was being bribed and therefore, he must be lying when he says the call was friendly and posed no problems. There's some irony here. For weeks, we heard the Democrats bemoan the damage president trump supposedly caused to the u.s.-ukrainian relations. 153826 But when the Ukrainian president contradicts their accusations, they publicly dismiss him as a liar. I may be wrong, but I am fairly sure calling a friendly foreign president, newly elected, a liar violates their so-called interagency consensus. So overall, the Democrats would have you believe President Zelenskiy was being blackmailed with a pause on lethal military aid that he didn't even know about, that President trump did not mention to him, and that diplomats have testified they always assumed would be lifted. 153905 Which it was without the Ukrainians undertaking any of the actions they were supposedly being coerced into doing. This process is not serious, it is not sober, and it is certainly not prayerful. It's an ambitious attack to deprive the American people of the right to elect a president the Democrats don't like. As I mentioned, the chairman of this committee claims that democracy is under threat. That is true, it is not the president who poses the danger. I yield back. 153946 SCHIFF>> I thank the gentlemen. We are joined this afternoon by ambassador Kurt Volker and Mr. Timothy Morrison. Ambassador Kurt Volker served in the U.S. Foreign service for nearly 30 years, working on European and eurasian political and security issues under five different presidential administrations. During the George W. Bush administration, he served as the acting director for European and Eurasian affairs and the national security council and later as a deputy assistant secretary of state for European and eurasian affairs. 154013 In 2008, president bush appointed ambassador Volker to the United States permanent representative to NATO where he served until may 2009. In July 2017, ambassador Volker was appointed to be the U.S. Special representative for Ukraine negotiations, serving in that position until he resigned in September. It is a pleasure to welcome Mr. Morrison back to the legislative branch where he served for almost two decades as a Republican staffer. He was a professional staff member for representative mark Kennedy of Minnesota and senator John Keil of Arizona. 154044 Later, Mr. Morrison served as the long-time policy director for the Republican staff of the House armed services committee. On July 2018, Mr. Morrison joined the national security council as senior director for countering weapons of mass destruction. Following the departure of Dr. Fiona hill in July 2019, Mr. Morrison assumed the position of senior director for Russia and Europe. Two final points before the witnesses are sworn. 154109 First, witnesses--witness depositions as part of this inquiry were unclassified in nature and all open hearings will also be held at the unclassified level. Any information they touch----unclassified information will be addressed separately. Second, congress will not tolerate any reprisal, threat of reprisal, or attempt to retaliate against any U.S. Government official testifying before congress including you or any of your colleagues. 154136 If you would both please rise and raise your right hand, I will begin by swearing you in. Do you swear or affirm that the testimony you're about to give is the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, so help you god? Let the record show that the witnesses answered in the affirmative. Thank you and please be seated. The microphones are sensitive, so please speak directly into them. Without objection, your written statements will be made part of the written record. 154207 With that, Mr. Morrison, you are recognized for your opening statement and immediately thereafter, ambassador Volker, you are recognized for your opening statement. MORRISON> Chairman Schiff, ranking member Nunes, and members of the committee, I appear before you today under subpoena to answer your questions about my time as senior director for European affairs at the white house and the national security council as related to Ukraine and US security sector assistance to that country. 154233 I will provide you the most complete and accurate information I can, consistent with my obligations to protect classified and privileged information. Whether the conduct that is the subject of this inquiry merits impeachment is a question for the U.S. House of Representatives. I appear here today only to provide factual information based upon my knowledge and recollection of events. I will not waste time restating the details of my opening statement from my deposition on October 31, 2019 which has recently been made public. 154302 However, I will highlight the following key points. First, as I previously stated, I do not know who the whistle-blower is, nor do I intend to speculate as to who the individual may be. Second, I have great respect for my former colleagues from the NSC and the rest of the inter-agency. I am not here today to question their character or integrity. My recollections and judgments are my own. 154326 Some of my colleagues' recollections of conversations and interactions may differ from mine but I do not view those differences as the result of an untoward purpose. Third, I continue to believe Ukraine is on the front lines of a strategic competition between the west and Vladimir Putin's revanchist Russia. Russia is a failing power, but it is still a dangerous one. The United States aids Ukraine and her people so they can fight Russia over there and we don't have to fight Russia here. Support for Ukraine's territorial integrity and sovereignty has been a bipartisan objective since Russia's military invasion in 2014. 154403 It must continue to be. As I stated during my deposition, I feared at the time of the call on July 25th how its disclosure would play in Washington's political climate. My fears have been realized. I understand the gravity of these proceedings, but I beg you not to lose sight of the military conflict underway in Eastern Ukraine today. The ongoing illegal occupation of crimea. And the importance of reform of Ukraine's politics and economy. 154429 Every day that the focus of discussion involving Ukraine is centered on these proceedings instead of those matters is a day when we are not focused on the interest Ukraine, the United States, and Western-style liberalism share. Finally, I concluded my act of service at the national security council the da after I last appeared before you. I left the nsc completely of my own volition. I felt no pressure to resign, nor have I feared any retaliation for my testimony. 154456 I made this career choice sometime before I decided to testify on October 31st. I am prepared to answer your questions to the best of my ability and recollection. SCHIFF>> Thank you. Ambassador Volker. 154517 VOLKER>>Thank you very much for the opportunity to provide this testimony today. As you know, I was the first person to come forward to testify as part of this Inquiry. I did so voluntarily, and likewise, voluntarily provided relevant documentation in my possession, in order to be as cooperative, clear and complete as possible. I am here today voluntarily, and I remain committed to cooperating fully and truthfully with this Committee. 154545 All I can do is provide the facts as I understood them at the time. I did this on October 3rd in private, and I will do so again today. Like many others who have testified in this inquiry, I am a career foreign policy professional. I began my career as an intelligence analyst for Northern Europe for the Central Intelligence Agency in 1986, before joining the State Department in 1988. 154612 I served in diplomatic postings, primarily focused on European political and security issues, for over twenty years, under Presidents Ronald Reagan, George H.W. Bush, Bill Clinton, George W. Bush, and Barack Obama. 154628 My last three positions before leaving the Senior Foreign Service in 2009 were as Director for NATO and West European Affairs at the National Security Council, Principal Deputy Assistant Secretary of State for European Affairs at the State Department, and, finally, as U.S. Ambassador to NATO. 154644 In the Spring of 2017, then-Secretary of State Tillerson asked if I would come back to government service as U.S. Special Representative for Ukraine Negotiations. I did this on a part-time, voluntary basis, with no salary paid by the U.S. taxpayer, simply because I believed it was important to serve our country in this way. I believed I could steer U.S. policy in the right direction. 154710 For over two years, as U.S. Special Representative for Ukraine Negotiations, my singular focus was advancing the foreign policy and national security interests of the United States. In particular, that meant pushing back on Russian aggression and supporting the development of a strong, resilient, democratic, and prosperous Ukraine - one that overcomes a legacy of corruption and becomes integrated into a wider transatlantic community. This is critically important for U.S. national security. If we can stop and reverse Russian aggression in Ukraine, we can prevent it elsewhere. 154752 If Ukraine, the cradle of Slavic civilization predating Moscow, succeeds as a freedom-loving, prosperous and secure democracy, it gives us enormous hope that Russia may one day change - providing a better life for Russian people, and overcoming its current plague of authoritarianism, corruption, aggression toward neighbors, and threats to NATO Allies and the United States. The stakes for the United States in a successful Ukraine could not be higher. 154819 At no time was I aware of or knowingly took part in an effort to urge Ukraine to investigate former Vice President Biden. As you know from the extensive, real-time documentation I have provided, Vice President Biden was not a topic of our discussions. I was not on the July 25 phone call between President Trump and President Zelenskiy. I was not made aware of any reference to Vice President Biden or his son by President Trump, until the transcript of that call was released on September 25, 2019. 154852 From July 7, 2017 until September 27, 2019, I was the lead U.S. diplomat dealing with Russia's war on Ukraine. My role was not some irregular channel, but the official channel. I reported directly to Secretaries of State Tillerson and Pompeo, kept the National Security Advisor and Secretary of Defense well-informed of my efforts, and worked closely with Ambassador Masha Yovanovitch, NSC Senior Director Hill and her successor Tim Morrison, then-Assistant Secretary Wess Mitchell and his successor, Acting Assistant Secretary Philip Reeker, Deputy Assistant Secretary George Kent, Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense Laura Cooper, NSC Director Alex Vindman, and many, many others. I have known many of them for several years. It was a team effort. 154945 When Ambassador Yovanovitch left Kyiv, I identified and recommended Bill Taylor to Secretary Pompeo, so we would still have a strong, seasoned professional on the ground. For two years before the events at the heart of this investigation took place, I was the most senior U.S. diplomat visiting the conflict zone; meeting with victims of Russia's aggression; urging increased U.S. security assistance, including lethal defensive weapons; working with Ukrainian President Poroshenko and then his successor, President Zelenskiy, and their teams; working with France and Germany and the so-called "Normandy Process," pressing for support from NATO, the EU, and OSCE; supporting the OSCE's special monitoring mission; and engaging in negotiations and other contacts with Russian officials. 155036 At the time I took the position in the summer of 2017, there were major, complicated questions swirling in public debate about the direction of U.S. policy toward Ukraine. Would the Administration lift sanctions against Russia? Would it make some kind of "grand bargain" with Russia, in which it would trade recognition of Russia's seizure of Ukrainian territory for some other deal in Syria or elsewhere? Would the Administration recognize Russia's claimed annexation of Crimea? Will this just become another frozen conflict? There were also a vast number of vacancies in key diplomatic positions, so no one was really representing the United States in the negotiating process about ending the war in eastern Ukraine. 155118 During over two years of my tenure as U.S. Special Representative, we fundamentally turned U.S. policy around. U.S. policy toward Ukraine was strong, consistent, and enjoyed support across the Administration, bipartisan support in Congress, and support among our Allies and Ukraine. 155137  We changed the language commonly used to describe Russia's aggression. I was the Administration's most outspoken, public figure highlighting Russia's invasion and occupation of parts of Ukraine, and calling out Russia's responsibility to end the war. 155151  I visited the war zone three times, meetings with soldiers and civilians alike - always bringing media with me, to try to raise the public visibility of Russia's aggression and the humanitarian impact on the lives of the citizens of the Donbas. 155205  We coordinated closely with our European Allies and Canada, to maintain a united front against Russian aggression, and for Ukraine's democracy, reform, sovereignty, and territorial integrity. Ukraine policy is perhaps the one area where the U.S. and its European Allies had been in lock-step. 155225  This coordin -- this coordination helped to strengthen U.S. sanctions against Russia, and to maintain EU sanctions as well. 155233  Along with others in the Administration, I strongly advocated for lifting the ban on the sale of lethal defensive weapons---or lethal defensive arms to Ukraine, advocated for increasing U.S. security assistance to Ukraine, and urged other countries to follow suit. 155250  My team and I drafted the "Pompeo Declaration" of July 25, 2018, in which the Secretary clearly and definitively laid out the US policy of non-recognition of Russia's claimed annexation of Crimea. 155303  I engaged with our Allies, with Ukraine, and with Russia in negotiations to implement the Minsk Agreements, holding a firm line on insisting on the withdrawal of Russian forces, dismantling of the so-called "People's Republics," and restoring Ukrainian sovereignty and territorial integrity. Together with others in the Administration, we kept U.S. policy steady through Presidential and Parliamentary elections in Ukraine, and worked hard to strengthen the U.S.-Ukraine bilateral relationship under the new President and government, helping shepherd in a peaceful transition of power in Ukraine. 155334 So, in short, whereas two years ago, most observers would have said that time is on Russia's side, by 2019, when I departed, we had turned the tables, and time was now on Ukraine's side. It is a tragedy for the United States and for Ukraine that our efforts in this area, which were bearing fruit, have now been thrown into disarray. 155356 One of the critical aspects of my role as U.S. Special Representative was that as the most senior U.S. official appointed to work solely on the Ukraine portfolio, I needed to step forward to provide leadership. If we needed to adopt a policy position, I made the case for it. If any -- if we need to -- if anyone needed to speak out publicly, I would do it. 155417 When we failed to get a timely statement about Russia's illegal attack on Ukraine's navy and seizure of Ukraine's sailors, I tweeted about it in order to condemn the act. If a problem arose, I knew it was my job to try to fix it. That was my perspective when I learned in May 2019 that we had a significant problem that was impeding our ability to strengthen our support for Ukraine's new president in his effort to ramp up Ukraine's fight against corruption and implementation of needed reforms. 155446 I found myself faced with a choice: to be aware of a problem and to ignore it, or to accept that it was my responsibility to try to fix it. I tried to fix it.The problem was that despite the unanimous, positive assessment and recommendations of those of us who were part of the U.S. Presidential Delegation that attended the inauguration of President Zelenskiy, President Trump was receiving a different, negative narrative about Ukraine and President Zelenskiy. That narrative was fueled by accusations from Ukraine's then-Prosecutor General and conveyed to the President by former Mayor Rudy Giuliani. 155528 As I previously told this committee, I became aware of the negative impact this was having on our policy efforts when four of us who were part of the Presidential Delegation to the inauguration, met as a group with President Trump on May 23rd. We stressed our finding that President Zelenskiy represented the best chance for getting Ukraine out of the mire of corruption it had been in for over 20 years. We urged him to invite President Zelenskiy to the White House. The President was very skeptical. 155556 Given Ukraine's history of corruption, that's understandable. He said that Ukraine was a corrupt country, full of terrible people. He said they "tried to take me down." In the course of that conversation, he referenced conversations with Mayor Giuliani. It was clear to me that despite the positive news and recommendations being conveyed by this official delegation about the new President, President Trump had a deeply rooted negative view on Ukraine rooted in the past. He was receiving other information from other sources, including Mayor Giuliani, that was more negative, causing him to retain this negative view. 155634 Within a few days, on May 29, President Trump indeed signed the congratulatory letter to President Zelenskiy, which included an invitation to the President to visit him at the White House. However, more than four weeks passed and we could not nail down a date for the meeting. I came to believe that the President's long-held negative view toward Ukraine was causing hesitation in actually scheduling the meeting, much as we had seen in our Oval Office discussion. 155705 After weeks of reassuring the Ukrainians that it was just a scheduling issue, I decided to tell President Zelenskiy that we had a problem with the information reaching President Trump from Mayor Giuliani. I did so in a bilateral meeting at a conference on Ukrainian economic reform in Toronto, on July 2nd, 2019, where I led the U.S. delegation. 155729 I suggested that he call President Trump directly in order to renew their personal relationship, and to assure President Trump that he was committed to investigating and fighting corruption, things on which President Zelenskiy had based his presidential campaign. I was convinced that getting the two Presidents to talk with each other would overcome the negative perception of Ukraine that President Trump still harbored. President Zelenskiy's senior aide, Andrey Yermak, approached me several days later to ask to be connected to Mayor Giuliani. I agreed to make that connection. 155802 I did so because I understood that the new Ukrainian leadership wanted to convince those, like Mayor Giuliani, who believed such a negative narrative about Ukraine, that times have changed and that, under President Zelenskiy, Ukrainey -- Ukraine is worthy of U.S. support. Ukrainians believed that if they could get their own narrative in -- across in a way that convinced Mayor Giuliani that they were serious about fighting corruption and advancing reform, Mayor Giuliani would convey that assessment to President Trump, thus correcting the previous, negative narrative. 155837 That made sense to me and I tried to be helpful. I made clear to the Ukrainians that Mayor Giuliani was a private citizen, the President's personal lawyer, and not representing the U.S. government. Likewise, in my conversations with Mayor Giuliani, I never considered him to be speaking on the President's behalf, or giving "instructions." Rather, the information flow was the other way - from Ukraine to Mayor Giuliani, in the hopes this would clear up the information reaching President Trump. 155904 On July 10, after hearing from Mr. Yermak, I wrote to Mayor Giuliani to seek to get together, and finally on July 19, we met for breakfast for a longer discussion. At that meeting, I told Mr. Giuliani that, in my view, the Prosecutor General with whom he had been speaking, Mr. Lutsenko, was not credible and was acting in a self-serving capacity. To my surprise, Mayor giu---Mayor Giuliani said that he had already come to the same conclusion. 155933 Mr. Giuliani also mentioned both the accusations about Vice President Biden, and about interference in the 2016 election, and stressed that all he wanted to see was for Ukraine to investigate what happened in the past and apply its own laws. Concerning the allegations, I stressed that no one in the new team governing Ukraine had anything to do with anything that may have happened in 2016. They were making television shows at the time. 160000 I also said that it is not credible to me that former Vice President Biden would have been influenced in any way by financial or personal motives in carrying out his duties as Vice President. 160011 A different issue is whether some individual Ukrainians may have attempted to influence the 2016 election or thought they could buy influence: that is at least plausible, given Ukraine's reputation for corruption. But the accusation that Vice President Biden acted inappropriately did not seem at all credible to me. After that meeting, I connected Mayor Giuliani and Mr. Yermak by text and later by phone. They met in person on August 2nd, 2019. 160045 In conversations with me following their meeting, which I did not attend, Mr. Giuliani said that he had stressed the importance of Ukraine conducting investigations into what happened in the past, and Mr. Yermak stressed that he told Mr. Giuliani it is the government's program to root out corruption and implement reforms, and they would be conducting investigations as part of this process anyway. 160105 Mr. Giuliani said he believed the Ukrainian President needed to make a statement about fighting corruption, and that he had discussed this with Mr. Yermak. I said I did not think this would be a problem, since that is the government's position anyway. I followed up with Mr. Yermak, and he said that they would indeed be prepared to make a statement. He said it would reference Burisma and 2016, in a wider context of bilateral relations and rooting out corruption anyway. There was no mention of Vice President Biden. 160136 Rather, in referencing Burisma and 2016 election interference, it was clear to me that he, Mr. Yermak, was only talking about whether any Ukrainians had acted inappropriately. At this time, I was focused on our goal of getting President Zelenskiy and President Trump to meet with each other, and I believed that their doing so would overcome the chronically negative view President Trump had toward Ukraine. 160201 I was seeking to solve the problem I saw when we met with President Trump in the Oval Office on May 23. As a professional diplomat, I was comfortable exploring whether there was a statement Ukraine could make about its own intentions to investigate possible corruption that would be helpful in convincing Mr. Giuiliani to convey to President Trump a more positive assessment of the new leadership in Ukraine. On August 16, Mr. Yermak shared a draft with me, which I thought looked perfectly reasonable. 160229 It did not mention Burisma or 2016 elections, but was generic. Ambassador Sondland and I had a further conversation with Mr. Giuliani, who said that in his view, in order to be convincing that this government represented real change in Ukraine, the statement should include specific reference to "Burisma" and "2016." Again, there was no mention of Vice President Biden in these conversations. 160256 Ambassador Sondland and I discussed these points, and I edited the statement, drafted by Mr. Yermak, to include these points to see how it looked. I then discussed it further with Mr. Yermak. He said that for a number of reasons - including the fact that Mr. Lutsenko was still officially the Prosecutor General -- they did not want to mention Burisma or 2016. I agreed -and the idea of putting out a statement was shelved. These were the last conversations I had about this statement, which were on or about August 17-18. 160331 My last contact with Mr. Giuliani, according to my records, was on August 13, until he tried to reach me on September 20th after the impeachment inquiry was launched. At this time, That is to say, in the middle of August, I thought the idea of issuing this statement had been definitively scrapped. In September, I was surprised to learn that there had been further discussions with the Ukrainians about President Zelenskiy possibly making a statement in an interview with U.S. media similar to what we had discussed in August. 160402 Since these events, and since I gave my testimony on October 3, a great deal of additional information and perspectives have come to light. I've learned many things that I did not know at the time of the events in question. First, at the time I was connecting Mr. Yermak and Mr. Giuliani, and discussing with Mr. Yermak and Ambassador Sondland a possible statement that could be made by the Ukrainian President, I did not know of any linkage between the hold on security assistance and Ukraine pursuing investigations. No one had ever said that to me - and I never conveyed such a linkage to the Ukrainians. 160437  I opposed the hold on U.S. security assistance as soon as I learned about it on July 18, and I thought we could turn it around before it the Ukrainians ever knew or became alarmed about it. I did not know the reason for the hold, but I viewed it as a U.S. policy problem that we needed to fix internally, and I was confident we would do so. 160456  I believe the Ukrainians became aware of the hold on August 29, and not before. That date is the first time any of them asked me about the hold, by forwarding an article that had been published in Politico 160508  When I spoke to the Ukrainians about the hold after August 29, instead of telling them that they needed to do something to get the hold released, I told them the opposite - that they should not be alarmed, it was an internal U.S. problem, and we were working to get it fixed. I did not know others were conveying a different message to them around that same time. Second, I did not know about the strong concerns expressed by then-National Security Advisor John Bolton to members of his NSC staff regarding the discussion of investigations. 150540  I participated in the July 10th meeting between National Security Advisor Bolton and then- Ukrainian Chairman of the National Security and Defense Council, Alex Danylyuk. As I remember, the meeting was essentially over when Ambassador Sondland made a general comment about investigations. I think all of us thought it was inappropriate; the conversation did not continue and the meeting concluded. Later on, in the Ward Room, I may have been engaged in a side conversation, or had already left the complex, because I do not recall further discussion regarding investigations or Burisma. 160613 Third, I did not understand that others believed that any investigation of the Ukrainian company, Burisma, which had a history of accusations of corruption, was tantamount to investigating Vice President Biden. I drew a sharp distinction between the two. 160629  It has long been U.S. policy under multiple administrations to urge Ukraine to investigate and fight internal corruption. I was quite comfortable with Ukraine making its own statement, about its own policy, of investigating and fighting corruption at home. 160645  At the one in-person meeting I had with Mayor Giuliani on July 19th, Mayor Giuliani raised, and I rejected, the conspiracy theory that Vice President Biden would have been influenced in his duties as Vice President by money paid to his son. As I previously testified, I have known Vice President Biden for 24 years. He is an honorable man and I hold him in the highest regard. 160705  At no time was I aware of or knowingly took part in an effort to urge Ukraine to investigate former Vice President Biden and as you know from the extensive documentation I have provided, Vice President Biden was not a topic of discussion. I was not on the July 25th phone call between President Trump and President Zelenskiy. I was not made aware of any reference to Vice President Biden or his son by President Trump, until the transcript of that call was released on September 25th, 2019. 160731  Throughout this time, I understood that there was an important distinction between "Burisma" and "Biden", and I urged the Ukrainians to maintain such a distinction. I did not know that President Trump or others had raised Vice President Biden with the Ukrainians, or had conflated the investigation of possible Ukrainian corruption, with investigation of the former Vice President. In retrospect, for the Ukrainians, it would clearly have been confusing. 160754  In hindsight, I now understand that others saw the idea of investigating possible corruption involving the Ukrainian company, "Burisma," as equivalent to investigating former President---Vice President Biden. I saw them as very different - the former being appropriate and unremarkable, the latter being unacceptable. In retrospect, I should have seen that connection differently, and had I done so, I would have raised my own objections. 160816 Fourth, much has been made of the term "three amigos" in reference to Secretary Perry, Ambassador Sondland, and myself. I've never used that term - and frankly cringe when I hear it -because for me, the "three amigos" will always refer to Senator McCain, Senator Lieberman, and Senator Graham, in reference to their work to support the surge in Iraq. 160835  Moreover, I was never aware of any designation by President Trump or anyone else putting Ambassador Sondland, or the three of us as a group, in charge of Ukraine policy. Rather, as I understood it, each of us, in our own respective official capacities, continued to work together after our attendance at President Zelenskiy's inauguration to push for greater U.S. support for Ukraine. 160858 Leading the diplomacy around Ukraine negotiations had long been my official responsibility, but I welcomed the added support and influence of a cabinet secretary and our EU Ambassador. Fifth, I was not aware that Ambassador Sondland spoke with President Trump on July 26th, while Ambassador Taylor and I were visiting the conflict zone. 160919 Mr. Chairman and members of the Committee, allow me to thank you again for the opportunity to provide this testimony. I believe that U.S. foreign policy and national security interests in Ukraine are of critical importance. And would be pleased to answer your questions. Thank you. 160934 SCHIFF > Thank you gentlemen for your opening statements. We'll now proceed to the first round of questions as detailed in the memo, we'll provide the committee members there'll be 45 minutes of questions conducted by the chairman or majority counsel, followed by 45 minutes for the ranking member of minority counsel. Following that, unless I specify additionally, equal time for extending questioning will proceed under the five minute rule and every member will have a chance to ask questions. I now recognize myself or counsel for the first round of questions. 161005 Ambassador Volker, I was going to just yield to the minority counsel, but there are a couple of points that you made in your opening statement that I wanted to ask about first. First, you said that now former attorney general Lutsenko was not credible. Mr. Lutsenko is the author of a number of allegations against ambassador Yovanovitch, the number of allegations that were shared with the John Solomon of The Hill, a number of allegations that have been repeatedly brought up by my Republican colleagues. Why is it that you found Mr. Lutsenko not credible and told Mr. Giuliani so? 161049 VOLKER >> Thank you, Mr. Chairman. First of all, the allegations themselves, including those against ambassador yovanovitch, did not appear to me to be credible at all. I know her to be an incredibly competent professional, someone I have worked with for many, many years. The suggestions that she was acting in some inappropriate manner were not credible to me. I have known vice president Biden for a long time. Those accusations were not credible. 161116 And then, separate from that, I was also aware of the political situation in Ukraine. We had a situation where president Poroshenko appeared to not be in a favorable position going into elections where it was increasingly apparent then-candidate Zelenskiy was going to win. As is often in the case of Ukraine, a change in power would mean a change in prosecutorial powers as well and there have been prosecuting the previous government. 161148 I think Mr. Lutsenko, in my estimation, and I said this to mayor Giuliani when I met with him, was interested in preserving his own position. He wanted to avoid being fired by a new government in order to prevent prosecution of himself---possible prosecution of himself. Possibly also this is something that the president Poroshenko would have welcomed as well, because he probably would've avoided any efforts to prosecute President Poroshenko as well. 161214 So, by making allegations like this and making sure they were reaching U.S. Media, I think that Mr. Lutsenko was trying to make himself appear to be an important and influential player in the United States. SCHIFF>> Ambassador, let me also ask you about the allegations against Joe Biden because that has been a continuing refrain from some of my colleagues as well. Why was it that you found the allegations against Joe Biden related to his son or Burisma not to be believed? 161244 VOLKER>> Simply because I have known vice president---former vice president Biden for a long time. I know how he respects his duties of higher office. And it's just not credible to me that a vice president of the United States is going to do anything other than act as how he sees best for the national interest. 161303 SCHIFF>> And finally, ambassador, before I turn it over, I was struck by something you said on page 8 of your statement which reads "In hindsight, I now understand that others saw the idea of investigating possible corruption involving the Ukrainian company Burisma as equivalent to investigating former vice president Biden. I saw them as different, the former being appropriate and unremarkable, the latter being unacceptable. 161329 In retrospect, you said "I should have seen it connection differently. And had I done so, I would've raised my own objections." What is it now, ambass ador, in retrospect that you recognize that you didn't at the time that lead you to conclude that you would or should have raised these objections? 161350 VOLKER >> That others did not see the distinction between these things as I saw it. As I said, there is a history of corruption in Ukraine. There's a history with the company of Burisma that's been investigated. That is well known. There is a separate allegation about the vice president acting inappropriately. His son was a board member of this company. But those things I saw as completely distinct. 161419 And what I was trying to do in working with the Ukrainians was to thread a needle to see whether things that they can do that are appropriate and reasonable as part of Ukraine's own policy of fighting corruption that helped clarify for our president that they are committed to that very -- that very effort. There is a way to thread the needle. I thought it was worth the effort to try to solve that problem. As it turns out, I now understand that most of the other people did not see or didn't consider this distinction. That for them, it was synonymous. 161453 SCHIFF>> well one of those people who saw it as synonymous turns out to be the president of the United States. I take it you do not know until the call record was released that the president in that call does not raise Burisma, he asks for an investigation of the Bidens. Is that right? VOLKER>> That is correct. SCHIFF>> I take it since you say that you acknowledge that asking for an investigation of the Bidens would have been unacceptable and objectionable that had the president asked you to get Ukraine to investigate the Bidens, you would have told him so. 161527 VOLKER>> I would have objected to that, yes sir. SCHIFF>> Mr. Goldman. 161532 GOLDMAN>> Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Just one follow-up on that ambassador Volker. When you say "Thread the needle," your --you mean that you understood the relationship between vice president Biden's son and Burisma but you were trying to separate the two of them in your mind? Is that right? VOLKER>> Well I believe that they were separate. That -- and the-- this references the conversation I had with Mr Giuliani as well where I think the allegations against vice president Biden are self-serving and not credible. 161605 Separate question is whether it is appropriate for Ukraine to investigate possible corruption of Ukranians that may have tried to corrupt things or buy influence. To me, they are very different things. And as I said, I think the former is unacceptable. I think the latter in this case is --- GOLDMAN>> Understood. But you -- you understood the relationship between hunter Biden and Burisma. That's the question. VOLKER>> I knew that he had been a board member of the company. Yes. GOLDMAN>> Let's go back --- VOLKER>> That is why it is so important to maintain the distinction. 161631 GOLDMAN>> Let's focus on the July 25th call for a moment. And Mr. Morrison, July 25th was day number what for you as the senior director overseeing Ukraine. MORRISON>> I officially took over on the 15th, approximately ten days, very few days actually in the office.
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POOL HEAD ON PODIUM FEED FROM THE REPUBLICAN NATIONAL CONVENTION / WILLIE ROBERTSON SPEECH 20:04:33 Ya'll fired up? Thank you so much. I'm honored to be here. As some of you know, we end every episode of Duck Dynasty with a family prayer at the dinner table. And I know we just said one, but I'm going to throw one more up with the way things are going in this country. Father we're so thankful and blessed to be in this country. And father tonight we want to pray that you keep us safe. I am mindful of my brothers and sisters in Louisiana, father, be with them in their pain. We love you through Jesus, Amen. 20:05:19 I've always said that me and Mr. Trump have three things in common. We're both successful businessmen, although I flew commercial here I'm guessing he didn't. We've both had hit television shows. And we both have intelligent wives who are much better looking than we are. 20:05:51 Are you cheering because we're ugly? It's been a rough year for the media experts. It must be humbling to be so wrong about so much for so long. [ cheers and applause ] But I have a theory about how they missed the Trump Train: they don't hang out with regular folks like us who like to hunt, and fish, and pray and actually work for a living. [ cheers ] Heck, I don't even know if they know how to talk to people from middle America. I mean, when I tell them I'm from Louisiana, they really start talking real slow and loud. 20:06:56 Let me tell you why I've been on the Trump Train from the beginning. When you grow up in the South with rednecks, there are some occasional. disagreements. Sometimes, disagreements sometimes turn into. fisticuffs. But anytime I was ever in a bad spot, I always knew my brothers would have my back. Today, in a lot of ways, America is in a bad spot. We need a president who will have our back. 20:07:32 And I can promise you this: no matter who you are, Donald Trump will have your back. If you're looking for a job, or trying to grow a business like I am, Donald Trump will have your back. If you're a serviceman fighting overseas, or a cop keeping us safe at home, Donald Trump will have your back. 20:08:16 If you're an average American who feels like you've been forgotten, neglected by far away leaders, that the deck is stacked against you and you just can't win-Donald Trump will have your back. Now he may not always tell you what you want to hear, you may not always agree, and he may not always be politically correct. But when your father's Phil Robinson, I'm used to that, okay? [ laughter ] 20:08:51 But I'll say this, Donald Trump will always - always - tell you the truth as he sees it. And that is why we can trust him to make America great again as our next president. Thank you, and God bless you. ### SCOTT BAIO SPEECH 20:09:27 Thank you for the warm welcome thank you so much. Tonight's theme is making America safe. So I want to thank all the brave men and women who served our country, including Retired Lt. Col. Charles Kettles, who just this morning received the Medal of Honor for his heroism in Vietnam. And I want to thank Mr. Trump for asking me to be here tonight. I can't tell you how much of an an honor it is to stand up here and talk about a man that I trust with the lives of my family and the health of our country-America-the greatest country God ever created. 20:10:20 Now, America is an easy place to get to. But-for you first time voters-it's important for you to know what it means to be an American. It doesn't mean getting free stuff. [ cheers and applause ] It means sacrificing, winning, losing, failing, succeeding. And sometimes doing things you don't want to do, including the hard work, in order to get where you want to be. And that's what it means to be an American. 20:11:09 [ applause ] But folks, our country right now is in a very bad spo. You can feel it and you can see it everywhere. There's no stability, nothing seems right. And all the things that we hold dear are being attacked every single day. We cannot go down this road anymore. We need to stop. We need Donald Trump to fix this. [ cheers and applause ] 20:11:52 Is Donald Trump a messiah? No, he's just a man. A man who wants to give back to his country-America. The country that has given him everything. A country that has also given us so much. Now it's time to give back to her. 20:12:15 We have a choice in November. We can go for Hillary Clinton [crowd booing]--I agree, who wants to continue the same policies that are wrecking this country. Policies that make us unsafe. A woman who somehow feels that she's entitled to the presidency-that she is somehow owed it. Or we can go for Donald Trump: A man doing this from the goodness of his heart and genuinely wants to help. A man who knows how to get things done-and a man who says what he means and means what he says. 20:13:10 Hillary Clinton wants to be president for Hillary Clinton. Donald Trump wants to be President for all of us. So, of course let's make not just make America great again, but let's make America America again! Thank you and God Bless you. Go Trump! Goodnight. ### RICK PERRY SPEECH 20:14:12 Hello, Cleveland! [Cheers] You know, back in 2006, my wife Anita and I, we had this extraordinary experience, this great pleasure of touring a naval base in San Diego. Our guide that day just happened to be this big old tall drink of water Navy seal who was recovering from combat related injuries. Now, he is a Texas boy. [Cheers] He was, he was pretty plainspoken and respectful and his love for America came through loud and clear. 20:15:06 As we departed that day, I just told him kind of in passing, if you're ever in Austin, come by and see us. Now some people might say that that meeting was just blind chance. Or a twist of fate. I will tell you, it was by the grace of god. [Cheering] He and I kept in touch. Over the course of the months through a tour he had in Iraq and his return to Texas. Darned if you did not show up on the doorstep of the governor's mansion unannounced. With nowhere else to go. We welcomed him into our home. We helped him get the care that he needed. 20:16:03 And today, he's like a second son. Many of you know the battles he fought in Afghanistan, but too few of you know the battles he and thousands of veterans just like him face when they come home. [Cheering] Tonight, our commitment is this, making America great again starts by taking care of our veterans. [Cheering] Thank you. [Cheering] Ladies and gentlemen, please welcome an American hero, the lone survivor, Marcus Luttrell.. MARCUS LUTTRELL SPEECH 20:17:11 LUTTRELL>> Cleveland! [Cheering] Yeah. You all know I love you. I love coming down here. Thank you. Thank you. [Cheering] Thank you. All right. >> [ chant ] Usa! 20:18:00 LUTTRELL>> All right. Thank you. Thank you again for having me back. For those of you, I've said before in the past, it is a pleasure to do so again. For those of you I've not stood in front of, thank you for the privilege to do that. Really I mean it from the bottom of my heart. [Cheers] I was fortunate enough in life to be born from a patriotic family. 20:18:27 Taught me to love this country and the people who make her up. Unconditionally. To die for any woman and to fight beside any man. Without hesitation. Or hopes of individual achievement. That's how I was raised and that's the way I still walk my life. For generations the men and women of my family have served this country probably at home and abroad. My father served in Vietnam. And although he was shamed out of his uniform, it only solidified his resolve to raise his boys, me and my twin brother, to be patriotic and love this country and its l people more than we love ourselves. [Cheers] 20:19:15 The past 10 years of my Navy seal career, the first 10 was in combat and the next part of it I was traveling around the country, state to state, city to city, town to town. Armed only with the memories of your bravest fighters and the story of how hard they fought to protect our way of life. Because I was willing to completely open up my life and speak about the worst week of it, I was blessed with meeting and seeing all the greatest people America had to offer. I think it is important to say that we've got to make sure that the hell veterans return from is not the hell veterans come home to, okay?. [Cheering] That's what was promised and that is what is deserved, period. 20:20:16 It also speaks volumes about my generation and how I love my generation. Generation X. The X men. It was an honor to fight alongside all of you. Even when the system does not take care of our boys, citizens step up and start foundations and programs to help the wounded and the families of the fallen. So from the bottom of my heart, and literally please know that I end every day on my knees thanking god for ya'll and what you do and how you (?) it my generation of veterans coming home. [Cheering] I got a chance, for those of you who know me, I only talk about stuff that I've experienced and usually on the worst side of it and the best side of it. I had a chance to spend time with Mr. Trump and I know he understands what is going to take to fix this. The only way we we're gonna keep America safe is having an elite military, all right. [Cheering] 20:21:20 Made up of the warriors and prepared by the toughest training that we have to offer. Supported by the best equipment and backed up by the nation, well that puts those people in harm's way. Everyone of us has to step up in some way. We need our leaders to lead by example. They need to lead by example and show the American public that each and every flag should be family and treated accordingly. [Cheering] 20:21:59 I'm sorry, I'm so used to speaking from the heart when I have to read this it goes wrong. So I'm just going to go. Are you ready? [Cheering] 20:22:11 Not only do leaders have to step up and support us, but the family and those of us in here, we are all family. We step up and we back them up too. Not only that, we hold them accountable for every position and office that they hold [Cheering] Either way, look, either way, the only way we survive this is together, not a part. 20:22:34 In order for any life to matter, we all have to matter. You understand? [Cheering] To my generation, to the next generation, this is for you. Your war is here. You don't have to go searching for it. Your people are afraid. I stand among you walking, I was allowed to walk with giants, alright. Now we are looking for the next generation of giants. Who among you will love something more than you love yourself, alright. Who among you will step up and take the fight to the enemy? Because it's here. [Cheering] 20:23:26 I challenge all of you to fight for this country and for each and every one of us. The world outside of our borders is a dark place. A scary place. America is the light. And her people are the goodness that grows from that. She will always be worth fighting for it was my greatest honor to fight for her every day of my adult life. [Cheering] I just wanted to come up here and thank each and every one of you from the bottom of my heart for allowing me to serve you for 20 years and I swear to god I'm going to spend the next 20 paying you back. So thank you again. [Cheering] God bless! [Cheering] PAT SMITH 20:24:50 >> My name is Patricia Smith. My son Sean was one of four brave Americans killed during the 2012 terrorist attack in Benghazi. Sean was a wonderful son and father to my two amazing grandchildren. Samantha and Nathan, now 10 and 11. He was proud to serve his country with the United States foreign service. The last time I talk to Sean, the night before the terrorist attack, he told me mom, I'm going to die. All security had been pulled from the embassy he explained. When he asked why, he never received a response. Nobody listened, nobody seemed to care. 20:25:43 The very next day, he was murdered by radical islamic terrorists. To this day I don't even know why a computer guy like Sean was sent to Benghazi. That night we lost sons, brothers, fathers, and husbands. We lost four brave Americans who made the ultimate sacrifice for the country they chose to serve and the American people lost the truth for all of this loss, for all of this grief, for all of the citizens of the tragedy in Benghazi,has brought upon America, I blame Hillary Clinton [Cheering] 20:26:43 I blame Hillary Clinton personally for the death of my son. That's personally. In an e-mail to her daughter shortly after the attack, Hillary Clinton blamed it on terrorism, but when I saw Hillary Clinton -- >> Liar! SMITH>> She sure is. She sure is. She lied to me and then called me a liar. >> [ boos ] 20:27:16 When I saw Hillary Clinton at Sean's coffin ceremony just days later, she looked me squarely in the eye and told me a video was responsible. >> [ boos ] SMITH>> Since then I have repeatedly asked Hillary Clinton to explain to me the real reason why my son is dead. I'm still waiting. Whenever I called the state department, no one would speak to me because they say I am not a member of the immediate family. >> [ boos ] 20:28:01 Sean is my son. Hillary Clinton is a woman, a mother, and a grandmother of two. I, I am a woman, a mother, and a mother of two. How could she do this to me? [ applause ] How could she do this to any American family? Donald Trump is everything Hillary Clinton is not. [Cheering] 20:28:55 He is blunt, direct, and strong. He speaks his mind and his heart. And when it comes to the threat posed by radical islamic terrorism, he will not hesitate to kill the terrorists who threaten American lives. [Cheering] He will make America stronger, not weaker. This entire campaign comes down to a single question, if Hillary Clinton can't give us the truth, why should we give her the presidency? [Cheering] That is right. Hillary Clinton for prison. [Cheering] She deserves to be in stripes. 20:30:15 [video plays] MARK GEIST AND JOHN TIEGEN 20:34:11 GEIST: Thank you so much. Thank you. Thank you America for showing us the support and dedication that should have been offered by Hillary and her State Department to those who actually saved their asses. [ cheers ] 20:34:34 TIEGEN: September 11, 2012, at approximately 9:35, 9:40, we got a call that the U.S. consulate had been overrun. We immediately got our gear ready to go, got the vehicles ready and on three separate occasions, we got told to wait by the chief of base Bob and we got told to stand down. Next thing we know we hear the State Department over the radio saying hey if you guys don't get here we are all going to die! Stand down order be damned, the consulate's under siege, we took off we left, we weren't waiting no more. 20:35:28 TIEGEN: As the three of us moved onto the consulate the first thing you see is the main village engulfed in fire and smoke, and just pouring out, I moved up to the front steps of the consulate off to my right I see them pulling a body out of the window, limp body, it ended up being Sean Smith and he was already dead of smoke inhalation by the time we showed up. Myself and (?) we continued to move, we went in, just the heat of the fire blasted in our fire, the smoke just obliterated our sight it was so thick. We tried to get on our bellies to see underneath the smoke, no luck. LIttle while later Tanto and DB came through the back gate as we made their way onto the consulate grounds started searching. After a few minutes, Tanto went and helped the State department guys gather up the classified information get them ready to go in their armored vehicle. 20:36:29 And all of a sudden we end up getting counter assaulted. And at that time instead of the state department security agents jumping out and helping us defend their U.S. Consulate, they took off, which left the six of us to defend the consulate. You know I got out went up on the roof of the villa made my way up towards the black gate, the guy who initiated was with an RPG, on his third shot it was coming out, I was (?) on top of (?) I let loose in about a ten round volley and he dropped. 20:37:10 It was calm for about five minutes, then we got word they were gathering about another 100 or so terrorists from the drone feed that good ole Hillary was watching. And it came to a point where we had to make a decision. At that time we didn't know the U.S. Ambassador was even still at the consulate. If he had been kidnapped prior to us even getting there or pretty sure if he was there, he was dead. We had a responsibility of over 30 other personnel over at the Annex so we had to make a tough decision and we headed back to the annex without the ambassador. 20:37:41 GEIST: You know, as the team arrived back at the annex, we took up our fighting positions. Because we knew that they were gonna be following up from the consulate and coming to our place. But you know, we were ready for them! We started seeing movement on the east side of our compound. Then all the sudden something came flying over the wall, had sparks flying it from it, landed between Tig and I, and It exploded. 20:38:04 And that's when they opened up on us. But we also unleashed some hell on them. [ cheer sand applause ] The first wave had about 20 terrorists in it. They went away with a whole lot less. [ cheers and applause ] 20:38:28 TIEGEN: After that first initial firefight, Oz is being kind of old, you know, he's like 40 years older than I am, so he had to pull out his med kid, grabbed some gauze, he's like shoving it in his hear. Really funny, looked like he got a tampon hanging out of his -- Sorry, but I kind of smiled at him, I looked at him, said hey, was that kind of loud much? [ laughter ] 20:38:46 GEIST: You know, that's because Tig came right up beside me, stuck his gun right here, fired right next to my ear. Can't hear out of it till this day. Thanks to him. TIEGEN: Should've moved. [ laughter ] GEIST: You know, soon after that, we got word that the support team from Tripoli led by Glen Doherty had landed at the Benghazi airport. You think security at our airports is bad, you ought to try landing at an airport in a foreign country controlled by a militia that you don't know who their loyalty is to and you've got a bunch of guns and a bag of money. Thank goodness money talks. 20:39:22 TIEGEN: Mine doesn't. Going around 1:30 in the morning, you still have the Ambassador, he's still missing. And still, we got movement starting to come up again on our east side. And, you know, I get on the radio and said hey, you know, hey Bob, is there, are they going to secure the outer perimeter. Again, looking at 1:30, about three half hours into the attack. And we get the answer, I don't know. 20:39:49 Good Intel. At that point, a vehicle actually came out of the darkness. A guy jumped out of the vehicle, immediately drew his arm back. How Oz saw him, you know, old age with the eyes. End up picking him out, through three rounds into him, he dropped like a bag, a sack potatoes. [Cheering] 20:40:13 You would take that guy out, another guy would pop up. And then another guy would pop up. GEIST: You know, it was kind like that arcade game, down on that main strip, you always go play Whack a Mole. A guy would stick his head out and you'd take him out, another guy would stick his head out and you'd shoot him. [ applause ] 20:40:37 TIEGEN: You know, pretty much, a little bit after that we got a call that the ambassador was located at the hospital in Benghazi. You know, there was no way for us to determine if this was a valid, if he was alive or if he was dead. You know, we don't know if it could have been a trick for us to spread our defense you know and you know pretty much screw everybody else over at the consulate. But you know, we had decided to stay put again. 20:41:09 GEIST: At this time I had moved from where at with Tig and got up on top of the roof, we call it building C. Now I was up there with Tyrone and you know, during the downtime, me and Tyrone had started talking about events that night. And Tyrone had told me about earlier that night when Tig had saved his life, cause he got lost in the smoke in the building over at the consulate. And he started yelling out for Tig with total disregard for his own safety, after having just come out of the smoke-filled room went back in and pulled Tig--pulled Tyrone out. [applause] It was during that -- you know, he was also talking about his kids. And it was really -- cause all of us had a lot of young kids out there. Every one of that was there. And , heck, Jack had just found out that his wife had been pregnant. 20:42:06 GEIST: So he had a newborn baby coming.None of us at that point knew if we would make it home or not. This was getting onto that time in the morning about 5:30 when the sun starts coming up and you start seeing that change on the horizon where the sky turns from really dark to that dark blue kind of starting to turn light blue. And you're hearing the morning prayers from the (?) in the distance. About the time the call for prayer finished, we thought, hey the next attack will be here. By that time, when we heard over the radio that Glenn and the team from Tripoli had made their way to the annex and were getting ready to pull in, when they did, instead of going inside the building, Glenn, he came up on top of the roof. He wanted to get in the fight. He joined us up there. Tyrone introduced me to going to Glenn because I had never met him before. First thing out of my mouth it's was good to have another gunfighter up on top of the roof. 20:43:10 He turned and started walking away from it and it was about that time that the final attack started. A rocket propelled grenade hit the back of the wall. Small arms fire opened up from the north right in front of me and Ty. A mortar hit on top of our outer wall. The state department guy yelled he was hit. Took some shrapnel up onto his forehead. We opened up with fire. Tyrone opened up with a machine gun I opened up with my assault rifle. That's when the second mortar hit, hit about 15 15 feet to my right. The explosion kind of knocked me back a little bit and as I stood back up, I kind of noticed that Tyrone was in a fetal position to my left at my feet. I raised my left hand up to grab my rifle and start shooting and that's when I noticed that I was first injured. My left arm about six inches above the wrist was hanging off at a 90 degree angle. 20:44:07 It was then that the third mortar hit. As I glanced over my right shoulder, I noticed Glenn was face down on the roof and he was out of the fight. I tried again to bring my arm up to grab my weapon because I wanted to get back into the fight. It just would not work. I could not get it to hold on. That's when the fourth mortar hit. That's really the first time I felt any pain that night and it felt like I got stung by a thousand bees. I figured at that time, the hardheaded marine ought to get to some cover in case he dropped another one on us.So I dove for cover and everything went quiet. I pulled a tourniquet out started to get it out on my arm but I kinda got distracted I wanted to check on (?) so I crawled over tried to find a pulse. Couldn't find one. It was about that time, I saw a shadow come up on the roof and that was sig. The dust and debris still had not finished falling when he got up on the roof. 20:45:14 TIEGEN>> He kind of got scared where we were initially fighting and he got on the roof. As I'm standing there, at first round, he was saying (?) way just laying (?) pretty much. When that first round hits the roof it just went dead quiet.The debris was so thick, you cannot see the stars. Just went pitch black. Pitch quiet. I start moving towards the building C and I get on the radio and I said hey are you guys all right up on building C? Of course I didn't expect a response at all. The team later said they were all right in here of course you have to tell them to shut up talking about the guys up on the roof. Jackets on and says, hey got no movement ran over there. First thing I do, I jump over the parapet and the first guy I see is the state guy leaning up against the wall. Has his pistol put. 20:46:08 His left leg just below the knee almost severed off. His left arm below the elbow is almost completely severed off. I had to disarm him really quick lucky he didn't shoot me. Maybe I would have got a medal if he would have. I got 2 tourniquets.Put a tourniquet on his leg. Put a tourniquet on his arm. I'm asking for extra help from the guys below inside the building. Whole time I'm doing that I'm also hearing like something crying behind me, weird sound don't hear that too often. I get him down, give his pistol back to him. Unloaded it of course because you're not going to give him a loaded pistol back. As I start moving across, again I can hear the whimpering and the next thing I know I notice it's Oz. He's kind of sitting his back against the wall and playing with his wrist like a little kid. You need to quit doing that it will be worse. 20:47:03 GEIST>> I kind of figured I was trying to put it back in place but it wouldn't stay there. TEIGEN>> I didn't have any superglue. He had his tourniquet out. I grabbed his tourniquet on his arm, stood him up and said hey man can you get to the ladder by yourself? GEIST>> I told him yeah, hell yeah because I knew that Tyrone and Glenn still needed help. Somewhere in the back my mind I was hoping they were still alive. So I walked over to the ladder that went down and kind of sat up on the ledge. And I'm sitting there looking down thinking how am I going to get down off this thing. I just survived two or three assaults on our compound and three mortars landed on me and the next thing you know, I'm sitting there thinking, my luck I'm going to fall off this roof and break my neck. Those are not stores I want my kids to hear about how I die. If I'm going to go out, I want to go out in a blaze of glory. [Cheering] 20:48:01 GEIST: So I ended up hooking my good arm on the top rung of the ladder and I was thinking I might swing my feet down around the ladder but sure enough Murphy's law, what can go wrong will go wrong. Right as I slide my feet down I fell off the ladder. Luckily I caught myself with my good arm and pulled myself back up. Got myself together and climbed on the ladder. Walked around through the front of the building, meeting one of our other guys coming out. He walked me in and laid me down on the floor. I was sitting there. And they were looking at me, and I told him you know hey you need to cut my clothes off because I know I got a bunch of other holes in me. I know there's a bunch of other wounds that need to be treated. So finally they got my clothes cut off of me and we found about 20 or 30 other shrapnel holes. Most of them weren't bleeding too bad so we got them plugged and ready to go again. 20:48:48 TIEGAN>> You know, after I got Oz up, and you know, he kind of mumbled a bit cause he lost his cane when the motors hit. So he didn't have a cane to walk across the roof anymore. But you know, immediately I went over to where the next guy was, which was Rone. I rolled him over. Immediately checked for a pulse. His throat moved just a little bit. I didn't get a pulse. So I immediately ripped off his body armour. You know, lifted up his shirt. And did what they call look, listen, feel. Kind of out your ear on their mouth. So you're trying to hear or feel their breath and see if their chest or the stomach's moving at all. Didn't get anything. I got the flashlight. Checked for a pupil dilation. And there was nothing. So at that moment, you know, I knew he was gone. And you know, Oz, I knew he just went down. 20:49:38 And, you know, so I knew the next radio call was gonna be for him and -- cause Tyrone was also our medic. So I had announced, hey, you know, Tyrone is gone. Got up, moved over to the next guy. Which ended up being, you know, Glen Doherty Bub. Again, same like Oz, never worked with him, never met him. Rolled him over, same thing. Checked for a pulse. Look, listen, feel. Did a pupil dilation. Same thing, there was nothing. Immediately went back over to Rone. Grabbed all of his weapons and stuff like that. Kneeled down, said a prayer over him, went over to Bub, you know, grabbed his weapon system, kneeled down and said a prayer over him. 20:50:24 By that time, you know, we all got off the roof. And, you know, we knew we had to get out of there. We had to get everyone else out of there, cause there's nothing that we had that could defend against mortar attack, and the fact that a building just got hit by 3 81 millimeter mortars and it didn't collapse on everybody inside, well it definitely wasn't the construction of the building, it was definitely from upstairs. 20:50:52 GEIST: It was the grace of god. [Cheering] Once we all us wounded got stabilized, we secured the dead, we made sure we didn't have any critical information left behind. And that's when we made our way to the airport. To get there, we ended up having to enlist the militia, happened to be Gaddafi loyalists. Those are the ones that helped us -- the ones that Hillary wanted to get out of Libya. They're the ones that helped the Americans get to the hospitals. 20:51:24 And get to the airport. [ cheers ] When we got there, we loaded up the non-shooting personnel. I made my trip in the back of a hilux pickup truck. It's kind of like a Toyota. They came over to me, I was sitting on a gourney. They came to grab the gurney and that's when I kind of sat up and told them I walked into Benghazi, I'm gonna walk out. [Cheering] 20:51:51 TIEGAN>> That was the same plane that brought Glen and the guys down from Tripoli. But you know, this was one of the planes Glenn did not make it back on. The plane that they secured, the Tripoli team secured from a Libyan that they had just met that day they had just met that day. Again, I don't really think it is a coincidence. You know, we got an overwatcher with us that night. You know, we got everybody loaded up, headed to Tripoli and then we had to turn our task, cause we got left, you know we didn't get left behind, we stayed behind because they couldn't hold everybody. 20:52:28 Again, the Gaddafi loyalist militia stepped up and said, hey, we can get the ambassador. They looked up and came back, returned with the ambassador's body. Myself, Tanto, and one of the Delta Force guys, you know, made, checked to make sure it was him. Looked him over. You know, he was wearing the exact same clothes at the morning I saw him, when we went over there, cause there was a threat on a local, well there was a threat on a government compound that day. And, you know, but he was wearing the exact same clothes. The only difference, he had black soot on his feet, on his fingernails, around his ears, -- you know, but there was no sign of torture, not sign of mutilation. You know, it was obvious to us he died of smoke inhalation. And all the rumors about that happening to him and our own government not squashing it right away is a bunch of bull crap. ` 20:57:15 [video plays] ANTONIO SABATO, JR. 21:00:20 >> Good evening. I'm honored to be here. This November we're going to win. [Cheering] I know I'm not your typical convention speaker. You might be wondering why I chose to speak. The truth is, I never consider myself very political or spoken out politically before. My belief in this country, my faith in Jesus Christ have compelled me to speak now. That is right. [Cheering] I'm concerned about our country's future. I'm concerned about my children's future and I believe we need Donald Trump who shares my beliefs, my faith, to get our country back on track. In the past eight years, failed policies have caused our country to deteriorate. Our rights have been trembled? And our security threatened. We are weaker by almost every measure. We are on the wrong path. 21:00:33 It is clear even to someone who was not even born here, I came to the United States from Rome, Italy in 1985. [Cheering] I follow all the rules and finally became a naturalized citizen in 1996. [Cheering] That's right. Others, who want to come to the U.S. To live and work should follow the same rules. [Cheering] That's right. We are a nation of laws for a reason. There should be no shortcuts for those who don't want to pay or wait. My mother was born in communist Prague, escaped the Czech Republic and met my dad in Italy I know what socialism looks like and I don't want that for my children. Not at all. But that is the path. That is the path we are headed down with the leader we have had and the candidate he endorses. Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton promote division. 21:02:53 Don't be fooled. Donald Trump is for unity. [Cheering] Donald Trump believes in one America with liberty and justice for all. Having secure borders, protecting our citizens, none of this is hateful.This is the responsibility of the government. [Cheering] That's right. It is the right thing to do. Donald Trump will get it done and put us back on the right track. 21:03:34 People know this and that is why they have voted as they had. We can no longer afford to be silent. Our country needs Donald Trump to make us great again. [Cheering] God bless you and god bless the United States of America! [Cheering] Mary Ann Mendoza, Sabine Durden, Jamiel Shaw 21:04:15 MARY ANN >> Good evening. My son, Sergeant Brandon Mendoza, was killed two years ago by an illegal alien who was a repeat criminal. Everyone of the crimes that he committed have laws that should have resulted in court mandated jail time. But it didn't happen. Instead, I had my son's life stolen from the by a man who was three times the legal limit drunk, was high on meth and drove for over 35 miles the wrong way on four different freeways and he had no business being in this country. 21:05:02 My son was an intricate part of a community and his death had left a large void in many people's lives. This is a good cop story that was cut short. He was a modern day beat cop. He went door-to-door and met everyone in his beat. They invited them in for dinner, he checked in on the elderly, he got drug dealers out of the neighborhood, he advocated for children, he provided an annual thanksgiving dinner, he shopped for children at Christmas and he inspired children to stay in school. A memorial is still up in the area he patrolled. My son's life was stolen at the hands of an illegal alien. It is time that we have an administration that cares more about Americans than about illegals. [Cheering] 21:06:07 A vote for Hillary is putting all of our children's lives at risk. It's time for Donald Trump. Thank you. [ cheers ] 21:06:24 SABINE >> Sadly, I have a similar story to share with you. My best friend, my rock, my son Dominic, my only child was also killed by an illegal immigrant. I call them illegal aliens. [Cheering] He was an amazing young man who was loved by all. He was fun, generous, outgoing. He was also in law-enforcement. He was a 9-1-1 dispatcher and pursuing his dream to be a helicopter pilot for the police department. 21:07:08 Life was good. His future looked bright. Until a criminal illegal alien turned his car in front of him riding his motorcycle to work and he killed him instantly. [ gets choked up ] The killer was from Guatemala and had recently been deported for felonies of armed robbery and grand theft. After returning to America illegally again, he was caught drunk driving. No license, no registration, no insurance and he got probation. Another DUI, another probation. Five weeks later, while barely under the legal limit of being drunk, he killed my Dom. He was given a misdemeanor and served just 35 days in jail. >> [Boos] 21:08:23 I have been talking about illegal immigration since 2012. Since he got killed and no one listened. Until Donald Trump. [Cheering] Donald Trump is not only my hero, he's my lifesaver. [Cheering] Hillary Clinton, or as we know her, crooked Hillary -- [cheering] Always talks about what she will do for illegal aliens and what she will do for refugees. What Donald Trump talks about what he will do for Americans. 20:09:36 [Cheering] Usa. Usa. Usa. Usa. We need to enforce our immigration -- our existing immigration laws. We need to secure our borders so no other person has to ever go through this kind of grief, pain, agony knowing this could have been prevented. Build the wall. Americans need to come first. Thank you. [Cheering] 20:10:11 JAMIEL >> Thank you to the RNC for the invitation to speak about my beloved son. Jamiel Jazz Shaw the 2nd. Special thank you to my friend, the undisputed GOP nominee and the next president of the united States. Donald J trump. [Cheering] On March the second, 2008, my life changed in a twinkling of an eye. One minute I'm hearing my son's voice, "be right home old man. I'm right around the corner" The next minute, gunshots. And Jazz is dead. I saw the hole in his head and blood everywhere. It happened so fast Jazz was still holding his phone. At the same moment, his mother was serving in our military overseas. The day we buried Jazz, LAPD came to my home to tell us they found the killer. For two weeks local politicians supported us and every black politician in la did too. 21:11:28 They even put up a permanent memorial. Two weeks after that, everything changed. We learned the killer was an illegal alien gang banger from Mexico. Released from jail, with a deportation hold, three gun charges and assault and battery on a police officer. And the politicians disappeared. In 2012, we finally had our day in court. The D.A. Proved Jazz was murdered because he was black. The coroner testified while he was on his back, bleeding from a stomach wound, his hands were up and his second bullet went through his hand and into his head. It was also provedthat the killer's gang targeted black males. You would think Obama cared and black lives matter, no. We all know Hillary is Obama's third term. Only trump called me on the phone to see how I was doing. Only trump will stand against terrorists and end illegal immigration. [Cheering] Build the wall. 21:13:13 Only trump mentions Americans killed by illegals. Donald Trump will put America first. Not crooked Hillary. I will say it again, like I said before, trump is sent from god. Support trump and pence. Let's come together and make America safe and a great again. Thank you [Cheering] REP MICHAEL MCCAUL 21:14:06 >> Good evening. I'm Michael Mccaul, chairman of the homeland security committee. And I'm a fourth-generation texan. [Cheering] Born and raised in Dallas Texas. Let us remember tonight the Dallas and Louisiana police officers who tragically lost their lives. America stands with my hometown and we will never forget. And to law-enforcement officers across this nation, we are with you and we will always support you. [Cheering] 21:14:59 Tonight, we heard powerful testimony from people who have been devastated by Obama's reckless immigration policies. Haven't we had enough? And now Hillary Clinton is promising more of the same. Open borders, executive amnesty, and a surge of Syrian refugees. [crowd booing] This is a dangerous liberal agenda and it is time for a change. It's time to take back our country and make America safe again. [Cheering, chanting USA] 21:16:06 We need to end sanctuary cities, . [Cheering] Keep dangerous people out of our country. [Cheering] And secure our borders once and for all. [Cheering build that wall] Our country's national security is at risk. President Reagan once reminded us that America is a shining city upon a hill. A beacon of hope to the world. But after eight years of weak leadership, our city on a hill is now a city under siege. Today, our allies no longer trust us. Our adversaries no longer fear us. And our enemies are plotting against us. 21:17:06 This did not happen by accident. It happened by design. It is the work of a Barack Obama and the architect of his failed foreign policy Hillary Clinton. [Cheering] For years, they presided over America's retreat. And the consequences clear. Leading from behind has led us into danger. When Hillary stopped talking about the war on terror, our enemies noticed. When she helped withdraw our forces from Iraq, creating a power vacuum, she paved the way for ISIS to rear its ugly head and our enemies noticed. When four Americans were murdered and Benghazi burned. She blamed it on a video. And our enemies noticed. When she stood on the sidelines while terror hotspots erupted across the globe, our enemies noticed. 21:18:15 We have all witnessed the recent attacks in Nice, Paris, Brussels, and Istanbul and now we are in the crosshairs. Our own city streets have become the battleground. Ft. Hood, Boston, Chattanooga, San Bernardino, and Orlando. But instead of protecting Americans, the Obama administration turned a blind eye to the dangers. So let's cut through the suffocating political correctness. [Cheering] And call the threat what it really is, the enemy is radical Islam. [Cheering] 21:19:13 These fanatics have radicalized a religion into a weapon targeting our way of life. President Reagan once asked are you better off than you were four years ago? But tonight, let me ask you this question. Are you safer than you were eight years ago? CROWD>> No! MCCAUL>> No. Is our military stronger? CROWD>> No. MCCAUL>> Is America still respected? CROWD>> No. 21:19:49 MCCAUL>> Over and over Obama and Hillary have apologized for America and allowed jihadists to spread like wildfire. We cannot afford Hillary in the white house again. [Cheering] We need someone who can repair the damage she has done, take the fight to the enemy and put America first. That man is Donald Trump. [Cheering] 21:20:50 I am proud to serve as a member of his national security team. And I can tell you this, I can tell you this, Donald will never apologize for American greatness. He will promote it. [Cheering] It is time to unify as a party. It is time to unify as a party. He will never bow down to our enemies. He will stand up to them. And Donald will never allow terrorists to gain ground against America. He will shake the ground they walk on. [Cheering] 21:21:52 My father was a bombardier in World War II and participated in the d-day invasion against the Nazis. His generation often defined as the greatest defeated fascism and communism handing down a better and safer america to my generation. Now we are in a struggle against the forces of radical Islam and terror which must be defeated for our children and our grandchildren. [Cheering] A trump administration will take on this and send a clear message to islamic terrorists. You may have fired the first shot, but rest assured, America will fire the last. [Cheering] CROWD>> Usa! Usa! Usa! 21:23:18 MCCAUL: Thank you and may god bless America. God bless the next president of the United States Donald Trump. DAVID CLARKE 21:24:10 Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen. I would like to make something very clear, blue lives matter in America. [Cheering] >> [chant ] Usa. Usa. Usa. 21:24:48 >> I stand before you tonight with a heavy heart as the law enforcement community prepares to bury three of Baton Rouge's, Louisiana finest. But there is some good news out of Baltimore Maryland as lieutenant Brian Rice was acquitted on all charges [Cheering] in the malicious prosecution of activist state attorney Marilyn Mosby. >> Boo! 21:25:29 Now I want to talk to you about something important. Indeed, a concept that five law enforcement officers were murdered and nine more were wounded for earlier this month. And for was three more were murdered two days ago in Baton Rouge, Louisiana. And that is the importance of making America safe again. [Cheering] 21:26:02 You see I believe that this noble mission is not just a requirement but a prerequisite for achieving this campaign's goal of making America great again. [Cheering] We simply cannot be great if we do not feel safe in our homes, on our streets, and in our schools. I see this every day at street level where many Americans increasingly have an uneasiness about the ability of their families to live safely in these troubling times. This transcends race, religion, ethnicity, gender, age, and lifestyle. [Cheering] 21:26:52 And if you don't believe it, a recent Gallup poll confirms it. More than half of all Americans now worry a great deal about crime and violence. Up consistently and dramatically from just a few years ago. And for African-Americans, that number is 70%. Sadly, for a growing number of communities, the sense of safety that many of us once took for granted has been shattered. 21:27:25 Americans don't always feel safe no matter if they're working in a big city, living in a suburb or rural areas all around this great country. I often tell residents of Milwaukee and the cities and towns that visit, that safety is a shared endeavor. It starts with a willing acceptance of people to play by society's rules. A code, a code, if you will, where we collectively agree upon that insures stability, fairness and inspect. It is built on the foundation of trust in each other. And the people who administer and enforce society's rules which at its foundation is the rule of law. [cheering] 21:28:21 In 1963, Dr. Martin Luther king wrote passionately about the interrelatedness of all communities and states and about our inescapable network of mutuality tying us in a single garment of destiny. He spoke of the basic reality of the rule of law provided that it is applied equally to both the wealthy and the impoverished, both men and women, and yes the majority and the minority. [Cheering] 21:29:00 What we witnessed in Ferguson and Baltimore and Baton Rouge was a collapse of the social order. So many of the actions of the occupy movement and black lives matter transcend peaceful protest and violates the code of conduct we rely on. I call it anarchy. [Cheering] 21:29:26 You see, American law enforcement officers understand that race is and has been a heated issue in our country. Most appreciate the vital need for thoroughness and transparency in pursuit of the greater good in their actions and in their investigations. These are truths that are self evident to me and which I practice. And they are the truths the Donald Trump understands and supports. [cheers] 21:30:01 Donald Trump is the steadfast leader our nation needs. He has spoken passionately to me of his belief in our American system of justice. He speaks to the values that are at the foundation of our social contract. Throughout his campaign and over many years he has consistently and constantly raised his voice not only in defense of the character of the police officer but the need for all people to feel that they are being treated fairly and respectfully by law enforcement. [Applause] >> [ chant ] USA! 21:30:48 You see, Donald Trump understands that what can make our nation safe again is a recommitment to a system of justice in which no government official, not even those who have fought their way to the marble and granite halls of Washington, no private citizen, no elected official, even Hillary Clinton, and no group of people despite the fervor with which they put forth in their grievances can claim privilege above the law. It cannot happen in the United States. [Applause] 21:31:33] The tradition of the primacy of the rule of law in America is strong. It is in those simple facts and in our acts that we will move forward toward making America safe again. God bless you and may God continue to bless these united States of America. SEAN AND RACHEL DUFFY 21:32:20 SEAN DUFFY: Hello America. I met Rachel 19 years ago on America's first reality TV show. Six weeks ago we had our eighth little baby. Who said nothing good comes out of reality TV? RACHEL DUFFY>> So with a family of 10 it gets a little crazy. So we have some pretty simple rules in our house. Clean your room. SEAN DUFFY: No teenage boys in your bedroom. RACHEL: No waking mom and dad up on Saturday mornings. SEAN: No private servers in the basement. 21:33:17 RACHEL: And no lying-- SEAN: Especially to the FBI. For us, it is all about family. I come from a long line of lumberjacks. My Irish family were tough farmers and sawyers who came to Wisconsin to work. They knew anyone could succeed in America with grit, faith and family. Rachel: My grandparents came here from Mexico. They settled in Arizona where my father was a shoeshine boy. By the age of 12 he started his own business making pinatas. My mother taught herself English and both of my parents attended night school and earned their degrees while raising a family. [Applause] 21:34:30 Sean: Hard work, discipline, self-reliance and opportunity. That is the American dream that we believe in. Rachel: It is a dream that is bigger and more satisfying than any bureaucrat or government check could ever hope to deliver. [Applause] Sean: Our grandparents chose to be Americans. We choose to be Republicans. The Republican party offers upward mobility rooted in individual liberty and economic freedom. Rachel: We cannot let America become the corrupt socialist regimes that our families left behind. 21:35:24 Sean: Sadly, Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton have left us in $19 trillion in debt. And thousands of new rules and regulations that are crushing the American workers. Do you want four more years of that? [crowd yells no] Radical jihadists are killing Americans. While all the time, Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama are fretting over whether to call it workplace violence or hate crime. Do you want four more years of that? We need to unify behind a new president who can strengthen, protect and restore our nation for the next generation. 21:36:25 Rachel: Every morning I look into the eyes of what is at stake in this election. Our children. Yours and mine. The challenges facing America have never been greater. We must meet those challenges. [Applause] Sean: We can make America great again. And we will. But it is going to take all of us, in Wisconsin and hello Wisconsin. We turned our blue state red. We have won every election except for the big one. We can't stay home now. If we're going to save our country. America, let's rally behind Donald Trump and together let's make America great again. May god bless you all. [Applause] Let's have a great convention. DARRYL GLENN 21:37:54 Give God the glory. [ cheers ] Good evening. I said good evening. >> Good evening! My name's Darryl Glenn, and I'm an unapologetic constitutional conservative, pro-life, second amendment loving veteran. [ cheers ] 21:38:28 And I'm your republican nominee for senate in the number one battle ground state in this country, and that's Colorado. It is my privilege to stand here and support our next president, Donald Trump. [ cheers ] You know, I'm often asked, why are you a republican? Well, it's because the Democrat party is the party of handouts. And after seven and half years, the only thing we have left in our pockets is change. 21:39:08 [ laughter and cheers ] This president ran to be commander-in-chief. Unfortunately, his rhetoric has made him the divider in chief. We are more racially divided today than before he ran. But there is more. 21:39:38 Did you see the new black panthers outside? Where are Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton? They don't speak for black America and they don't speak for me. Mr. President, I have a message. This is not about black America, white America, brown America. This is about the United States of America. And quite frankly somebody with a nice tan needs to say this. All lives matter. [Applause] 21:40:48 Here are some more facts Mr. President. Neighborhoods have become more violent under your watch. Your rhetoric has a direct impact on the relationships between the community and the police. We can bring this country together. But we must realize that our heroes in blue are part of the solution and not the problem. Stand up and support those men and women in Dallas. Stand up and support those law enforcement in Louisiana. Let's make sure we hear them this is your opportunity. Blue lives matter. Yes that's right ladies and gentlemen. [Applause] 21:41:42 Nobody wants bad caps off the street more than good cops. But if we really want to heal all our community, more men need to start stepping up and taking care of their children. [Applause] Safe neighborhoods happen when fathers and mothers are at home. But there's more. We also must recognize that evil exists in this world. The threat from radical islamic terrorism is real. 21:42:16 Our troops don't care what party you represent. They care about having the tools, training, and equipment to be able to do their jobs. And if you put them in harm's way, let them win. [cheers] And when they come home, honor them and care for their injuries. My friends, we must win this election. Hillary Clinton is unfit to be president. [cheers] 21:43:11 And we all know she loves her pantsuits. Yes, you know it's coming. But we should send her an e-mail and tell her she deserves a bright orange jumpsuit. [cheers and applause] Here's the bottom line. American exceptionalism is alive and well. Evil exists. And as God as my witness, this battle has already been fought and won. 21:43:49 Believe we can win. Believe we can change things. Believe that together we can make America great again. [Applause] My name is Darryl Glenn, I can't do this without your help. God bless each and everyone of you. God bless the great state of Colorado. And God bless the United States of America. Thank you ladies and gentlemen. TOM COTTON 21:44:55 For eight years, we've seen what happens when America leads from behind. Leading from behind-that's not what the Army taught me. To everyone who agrees that America ought to lead the way, I have a message to deliver and let me say it loud and clear: help is on the way. 21:45:26 Let me tell you a story about an Arkansas farm boy who became a soldier. When America was at war, he was in school and then in a comfortable professional job exempt from service. But he sacrificed that comfort, against the wishes of his family against the wishes of his father, who himself had served. He volunteered for the Army. He became an infantryman. That farm boy was my dad, Lynn Cotton. He went to Vietnam in 1969. 21:46:14 Thirty-five years later, because of 9/11 I did the same. Against the wishes of my family, I gave up my legal career and I volunteered for the Army. I became an infantryman. I went to Iraq and Afghanistan. My dad said he felt like God was punishing him for what he did to his dad. But God wasn't punishing them; God had called us to serve. Just as He calls so many of you to serve as well. My family isn't extraordinary; in fact, we're very ordinary. From farms in Arkansas to fire stations in New York, so many families could tell the same story. The defense of this country is always a family affair and these families shoulder more than their share of the task. We don't fight because we hate our enemies, but because we love our country. We love its freedom. We love that we as americans are born equal and live free, that no one can boss us around or rule us without our consent. 21:47:49 We know, we know these things are worth fighting and dying for because they make life worth living for. [ cheers ] Our warriors and their families don't ask for much. We're blessed to serve, and we're grateful for the generosity of our fellow citizens. But there are a few things we'd like. We'd like a commander-in-chief who speaks of winning wars and not merely ending wars. [ cheers and applause ] We'd like a commander in chief who calls the enemy by its name. [ cheers ] A commander in chief who draws red lines cautiously, but enforces them ruthlessly. [ cheers ] 21:48:51 And it would be nice to have a commander in chief who could be trusted to handle classified information. [ cheers ] And we'd like politicians who treat our common defense as the chief responsibility of the federal government, not just another government program. This isn't much to ask for, but eight years without it is more than enough, and another 4 years is unthinkable. So let me quote the last republican vice president about the consequences of the last time a Clinton was in the White House. And let me say again, this time, directly to our troops in a Trump-Pence administration and with a Republican Congress, help is on the way. [ cheers ] 21:50:05 Now believe me. No man wants more war if he's seen the face of war. I've planned memorial services for fallen comrades in the mountains of Afghanistan, I've carried their flag-draped caskets off a plane, I've buried them at Arlington National Cemetery. But the wisdom of the ages affirms the counsel of our first president to be prepared for war as one of the most effectual means of preserving peace." The purpose of our common defense, after all, is to protect the American people and preserve our independence so that we can enjoy the blessings of peace-faith, freedom, family, prosperity. 21:51:00 My father and his father were willing to fight so that their children and grandchildren might live in peace. Sadly that wasn't to be. But my generation is fighting, has fought, and will fight so that our children, my infant son Gabriel and the christmas baby my wife and I are expecting might one day live in peace. And for that cause, I speak tonight not only to Republicans, but to the millions of independents and Democrats who share that dream and who wish to make America safe again. Thank you and god bless you. KAREN VAUGHN 21:52:16 Thank you so much for the opportunity to be here tonight. It is a great honor. I am here because I remember when America was strong and proud. When our word meant something. I am here because I raised a son who believed in this country enough to give his life for it. And most of all, I am here because we are at a crossroads unlike anything we have ever witnessed in our lifetime and something must change now. [Applause] 21:53:00 We need new leadership, strong leadership. Leadership we can trust to protect us in the face of ever changing dangers, both here and abroad. Leadership that will longer sit idly by and let our enemies define the world in which we live. [ applause ] There is no adversary the U.S. Military cannot defeat if we unbind from them from the restrictive, ludicrous rules of engagement they've been forced to fight under for the past seven years. [cheers and applause] Thank you. Thank you. 21:53:46 Our national leaders desire to win hearts and minds at whatever cost to our own has had devastating effects. Too many American sons and daughters have died needless deaths due to these absurd rules. Including my only son Aaron. 5535 RNC POOL PROGRAM SWITCHED C16 071816 P6 21:54:10 And the 29 other brave fearless warriors on board Extortion 17. Countless others have curtailed their military careers because of the culture they know puts their lives in needless risk . As one brave war fighter put it, I did not join to be sacrificed. I joined to fight. [Applause] We have lost the will to defend ourselves against enemies who are hell-bent on destroying us. Because we have been unwilling to lead with strength. We have been unwilling to even call our enemies by name. How can you defeat an enemy you cannot even name. [Applause] We must elect to leaders who will give our soldiers every tool possible to win. Leaders we can trust to stand strong against our enemies. Leaders like Donald Trump. [Applause] 21:55:27 It is way past time to make America strong and safe again. Thank you and God bless this amazing United States of America. Thank you. [ cheers ] JEFF SESSIONS 21:55:57 Thank you. Thank you, so much, good friends. Thank you Alabama. Speaking from this podium today is a long way from the rafters seats my wife and I had as college students in Miami in 1972. I gotta tell you. This year our voters spoke clearly on two critical issues in our primaries. Trade and immigration. They affirmed Donald Trump and his positions. They opposed Obama trade. And they demanded a lawful system of immigration that protects their safety and their financial well-being. [ applause ] 21:56:55 Average Americans have been the first to know that something is wrong with this economy. Our middle class is steadily declining. With our African-American and hispanic communities being hurt the most. But he Washington establishment and the media and big corporations have been in denial. 21:57:19 Fellow Republicans, we must understand that the incomes of middle-class Americans today are $4000 less per year than in 1999. This is an economic disaster. We are on the wrong track. The American people know it. [Applause] Yet Hillary Clinton's plan is more of the same. More government and more taxes and more regulations and more illegal immigration and more debt. She has been the champion of globalist trade agreements. But the facts are in. They have not worked for the American people. When those agreements were signed president Clinton and Obama promised our dangerous trade deficits with China and Korea would be reduced. But the deficit with China has increased fivefold. And the deficit with Korea has more than doubled in less than four years. These are job killing numbers.
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Inspire us to build a more noble society that reflects your divine image to a world that is broken and brought low by sin. You have endowed many peoples and nations with a gift of charity, may we be mindful of those who suffer here and abroad. Father, we know that our true citizenship is in your kingdom. You remind us that to inherit eternal life, we must love the Lord, your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength and with all your mind. And to love your neighbor as yourself. 19:56:13 Your son instructs us with the parable of the good samaritan as to who is our neighbor. May we defend life when most vulnerable in the womb or in old age. And let us not forget our obligation s to the poor and the sick, the prisoner and the alien in our midst, we make this prayer through your holy name, amen. [Applause] 19:56:47 >> Please remain standing while the colors are retired. [Applause] 19:56:56 [COLORS ARE RETIRED] 19:57:47 [BAND PLAYING] WILLIE ROBERTSON SPEECH 20:04:33 Ya'll fired up? Thank you so much. I'm honored to be here. As some of you know, we end every episode of Duck Dynasty with a family prayer at the dinner table. And I know we just said one, but I'm going to throw one more up with the way things are going in this country. Father we're so thankful and blessed to be in this country. And father tonight we want to pray that you keep us safe. I am mindful of my brothers and sisters in Louisiana, father, be with them in their pain. We love you through Jesus, Amen. 20:05:19 I've always said that me and Mr. Trump have three things in common. We're both successful businessmen, although I flew commercial here I'm guessing he didn't. We've both had hit television shows. And we both have intelligent wives who are much better looking than we are. 20:05:51 Are you cheering because we're ugly? It's been a rough year for the media experts. It must be humbling to be so wrong about so much for so long. [ cheers and applause ] But I have a theory about how they missed the Trump Train: they don't hang out with regular folks like us who like to hunt, and fish, and pray and actually work for a living. [ cheers ] Heck, I don't even know if they know how to talk to people from middle America. I mean, when I tell them I'm from Louisiana, they really start talking real slow and loud. 20:06:56 Let me tell you why I've been on the Trump Train from the beginning. When you grow up in the South with rednecks, there are some occasional. disagreements. Sometimes, disagreements sometimes turn into. fisticuffs. But anytime I was ever in a bad spot, I always knew my brothers would have my back. Today, in a lot of ways, America is in a bad spot. We need a president who will have our back. 20:07:32 And I can promise you this: no matter who you are, Donald Trump will have your back. If you're looking for a job, or trying to grow a business like I am, Donald Trump will have your back. If you're a serviceman fighting overseas, or a cop keeping us safe at home, Donald Trump will have your back. 20:08:16 If you're an average American who feels like you've been forgotten, neglected by far away leaders, that the deck is stacked against you and you just can't win-Donald Trump will have your back. Now he may not always tell you what you want to hear, you may not always agree, and he may not always be politically correct. But when your father's Phil Robinson, I'm used to that, okay? [ laughter ] 20:08:51 But I'll say this, Donald Trump will always - always - tell you the truth as he sees it. And that is why we can trust him to make America great again as our next president. Thank you, and God bless you. ### SCOTT BAIO SPEECH 20:09:27 Thank you for the warm welcome thank you so much. Tonight's theme is making America safe. So I want to thank all the brave men and women who served our country, including Retired Lt. Col. Charles Kettles, who just this morning received the Medal of Honor for his heroism in Vietnam. And I want to thank Mr. Trump for asking me to be here tonight. I can't tell you how much of an an honor it is to stand up here and talk about a man that I trust with the lives of my family and the health of our country-America-the greatest country God ever created. 20:10:20 Now, America is an easy place to get to. But-for you first time voters-it's important for you to know what it means to be an American. It doesn't mean getting free stuff. [ cheers and applause ] It means sacrificing, winning, losing, failing, succeeding. And sometimes doing things you don't want to do, including the hard work, in order to get where you want to be. And that's what it means to be an American. 20:11:09 [ applause ] But folks, our country right now is in a very bad spo. You can feel it and you can see it everywhere. There's no stability, nothing seems right. And all the things that we hold dear are being attacked every single day. We cannot go down this road anymore. We need to stop. We need Donald Trump to fix this. [ cheers and applause ] 20:11:52 Is Donald Trump a messiah? No, he's just a man. A man who wants to give back to his country-America. The country that has given him everything. A country that has also given us so much. Now it's time to give back to her. 20:12:15 We have a choice in November. We can go for Hillary Clinton [crowd booing]--I agree, who wants to continue the same policies that are wrecking this country. Policies that make us unsafe. A woman who somehow feels that she's entitled to the presidency-that she is somehow owed it. Or we can go for Donald Trump: A man doing this from the goodness of his heart and genuinely wants to help. A man who knows how to get things done-and a man who says what he means and means what he says. 20:13:10 Hillary Clinton wants to be president for Hillary Clinton. Donald Trump wants to be President for all of us. So, of course let's make not just make America great again, but let's make America America again! Thank you and God Bless you. Go Trump! Goodnight. ### RICK PERRY SPEECH 20:14:12 Hello, Cleveland! [Cheers] You know, back in 2006, my wife Anita and I, we had this extraordinary experience, this great pleasure of touring a naval base in San Diego. Our guide that day just happened to be this big old tall drink of water Navy seal who was recovering from combat related injuries. Now, he is a Texas boy. [Cheers] He was, he was pretty plainspoken and respectful and his love for America came through loud and clear. 20:15:06 As we departed that day, I just told him kind of in passing, if you're ever in Austin, come by and see us. Now some people might say that that meeting was just blind chance. Or a twist of fate. I will tell you, it was by the grace of god. [Cheering] He and I kept in touch. Over the course of the months through a tour he had in Iraq and his return to Texas. Darned if you did not show up on the doorstep of the governor's mansion unannounced. With nowhere else to go. We welcomed him into our home. We helped him get the care that he needed. 20:16:03 And today, he's like a second son. Many of you know the battles he fought in Afghanistan, but too few of you know the battles he and thousands of veterans just like him face when they come home. [Cheering] Tonight, our commitment is this, making America great again starts by taking care of our veterans. [Cheering] Thank you. [Cheering] Ladies and gentlemen, please welcome an American hero, the lone survivor, Marcus Luttrell.. MARCUS LUTTRELL SPEECH 20:17:11 LUTTRELL>> Cleveland! [Cheering] Yeah. You all know I love you. I love coming down here. Thank you. Thank you. [Cheering] Thank you. All right. >> [ chant ] Usa! 20:18:00 LUTTRELL>> All right. Thank you. Thank you again for having me back. For those of you, I've said before in the past, it is a pleasure to do so again. For those of you I've not stood in front of, thank you for the privilege to do that. Really I mean it from the bottom of my heart. [Cheers] I was fortunate enough in life to be born from a patriotic family. 20:18:27 Taught me to love this country and the people who make her up. Unconditionally. To die for any woman and to fight beside any man. Without hesitation. Or hopes of individual achievement. That's how I was raised and that's the way I still walk my life. For generations the men and women of my family have served this country probably at home and abroad. My father served in Vietnam. And although he was shamed out of his uniform, it only solidified his resolve to raise his boys, me and my twin brother, to be patriotic and love this country and its l people more than we love ourselves. [Cheers] 20:19:15 The past 10 years of my Navy seal career, the first 10 was in combat and the next part of it I was traveling around the country, state to state, city to city, town to town. Armed only with the memories of your bravest fighters and the story of how hard they fought to protect our way of life. Because I was willing to completely open up my life and speak about the worst week of it, I was blessed with meeting and seeing all the greatest people America had to offer. I think it is important to say that we've got to make sure that the hell veterans return from is not the hell veterans come home to, okay?. [Cheering] That's what was promised and that is what is deserved, period. 20:20:16 It also speaks volumes about my generation and how I love my generation. Generation X. The X men. It was an honor to fight alongside all of you. Even when the system does not take care of our boys, citizens step up and start foundations and programs to help the wounded and the families of the fallen. So from the bottom of my heart, and literally please know that I end every day on my knees thanking god for ya'll and what you do and how you (?) it my generation of veterans coming home. [Cheering] I got a chance, for those of you who know me, I only talk about stuff that I've experienced and usually on the worst side of it and the best side of it. I had a chance to spend time with Mr. Trump and I know he understands what is going to take to fix this. The only way we we're gonna keep America safe is having an elite military, all right. [Cheering] 20:21:20 Made up of the warriors and prepared by the toughest training that we have to offer. Supported by the best equipment and backed up by the nation, well that puts those people in harm's way. Everyone of us has to step up in some way. We need our leaders to lead by example. They need to lead by example and show the American public that each and every flag should be family and treated accordingly. [Cheering] 20:21:59 I'm sorry, I'm so used to speaking from the heart when I have to read this it goes wrong. So I'm just going to go. Are you ready? [Cheering] 20:22:11 Not only do leaders have to step up and support us, but the family and those of us in here, we are all family. We step up and we back them up too. Not only that, we hold them accountable for every position and office that they hold [Cheering] Either way, look, either way, the only way we survive this is together, not a part. 20:22:34 In order for any life to matter, we all have to matter. You understand? [Cheering] To my generation, to the next generation, this is for you. Your war is here. You don't have to go searching for it. Your people are afraid. I stand among you walking, I was allowed to walk with giants, alright. Now we are looking for the next generation of giants. Who among you will love something more than you love yourself, alright. Who among you will step up and take the fight to the enemy? Because it's here. [Cheering] 20:23:26 I challenge all of you to fight for this country and for each and every one of us. The world outside of our borders is a dark place. A scary place. America is the light. And her people are the goodness that grows from that. She will always be worth fighting for it was my greatest honor to fight for her every day of my adult life. [Cheering] I just wanted to come up here and thank each and every one of you from the bottom of my heart for allowing me to serve you for 20 years and I swear to god I'm going to spend the next 20 paying you back. So thank you again. [Cheering] God bless! [Cheering] PAT SMITH 20:24:50 >> My name is Patricia Smith. My son Sean was one of four brave Americans killed during the 2012 terrorist attack in Benghazi. Sean was a wonderful son and father to my two amazing grandchildren. Samantha and Nathan, now 10 and 11. He was proud to serve his country with the United States foreign service. The last time I talk to Sean, the night before the terrorist attack, he told me mom, I'm going to die. All security had been pulled from the embassy he explained. When he asked why, he never received a response. Nobody listened, nobody seemed to care. 20:25:43 The very next day, he was murdered by radical islamic terrorists. To this day I don't even know why a computer guy like Sean was sent to Benghazi. That night we lost sons, brothers, fathers, and husbands. We lost four brave Americans who made the ultimate sacrifice for the country they chose to serve and the American people lost the truth for all of this loss, for all of this grief, for all of the citizens of the tragedy in Benghazi,has brought upon America, I blame Hillary Clinton [Cheering] 20:26:43 I blame Hillary Clinton personally for the death of my son. That's personally. In an e-mail to her daughter shortly after the attack, Hillary Clinton blamed it on terrorism, but when I saw Hillary Clinton -- >> Liar! SMITH>> She sure is. She sure is. She lied to me and then called me a liar. >> [ boos ] 20:27:16 When I saw Hillary Clinton at Sean's coffin ceremony just days later, she looked me squarely in the eye and told me a video was responsible. >> [ boos ] SMITH>> Since then I have repeatedly asked Hillary Clinton to explain to me the real reason why my son is dead. I'm still waiting. Whenever I called the state department, no one would speak to me because they say I am not a member of the immediate family. >> [ boos ] 20:28:01 Sean is my son. Hillary Clinton is a woman, a mother, and a grandmother of two. I, I am a woman, a mother, and a mother of two. How could she do this to me? [ applause ] How could she do this to any American family? Donald Trump is everything Hillary Clinton is not. [Cheering] 20:28:55 He is blunt, direct, and strong. He speaks his mind and his heart. And when it comes to the threat posed by radical islamic terrorism, he will not hesitate to kill the terrorists who threaten American lives. [Cheering] He will make America stronger, not weaker. This entire campaign comes down to a single question, if Hillary Clinton can't give us the truth, why should we give her the presidency? [Cheering] That is right. Hillary Clinton for prison. [Cheering] She deserves to be in stripes. 20:30:15 [video plays] MARK GEIST AND JOHN TIEGEN 20:34:11 GEIST: Thank you so much. Thank you. Thank you America for showing us the support and dedication that should have been offered by Hillary and her State Department to those who actually saved their asses. [ cheers ] 20:34:34 TIEGEN: September 11, 2012, at approximately 9:35, 9:40, we got a call that the U.S. consulate had been overrun. We immediately got our gear ready to go, got the vehicles ready and on three separate occasions, we got told to wait by the chief of base Bob and we got told to stand down. Next thing we know we hear the State Department over the radio saying hey if you guys don't get here we are all going to die! Stand down order be damned, the consulate's under siege, we took off we left, we weren't waiting no more. 20:35:28 TIEGEN: As the three of us moved onto the consulate the first thing you see is the main village engulfed in fire and smoke, and just pouring out, I moved up to the front steps of the consulate off to my right I see them pulling a body out of the window, limp body, it ended up being Sean Smith and he was already dead of smoke inhalation by the time we showed up. Myself and (?) we continued to move, we went in, just the heat of the fire blasted in our fire, the smoke just obliterated our sight it was so thick. We tried to get on our bellies to see underneath the smoke, no luck. LIttle while later Tanto and DB came through the back gate as we made their way onto the consulate grounds started searching. After a few minutes, Tanto went and helped the State department guys gather up the classified information get them ready to go in their armored vehicle. 20:36:29 And all of a sudden we end up getting counter assaulted. And at that time instead of the state department security agents jumping out and helping us defend their U.S. Consulate, they took off, which left the six of us to defend the consulate. You know I got out went up on the roof of the villa made my way up towards the black gate, the guy who initiated was with an RPG, on his third shot it was coming out, I was (?) on top of (?) I let loose in about a ten round volley and he dropped. 20:37:10 It was calm for about five minutes, then we got word they were gathering about another 100 or so terrorists from the drone feed that good ole Hillary was watching. And it came to a point where we had to make a decision. At that time we didn't know the U.S. Ambassador was even still at the consulate. If he had been kidnapped prior to us even getting there or pretty sure if he was there, he was dead. We had a responsibility of over 30 other personnel over at the Annex so we had to make a tough decision and we headed back to the annex without the ambassador. 20:37:41 GEIST: You know, as the team arrived back at the annex, we took up our fighting positions. Because we knew that they were gonna be following up from the consulate and coming to our place. But you know, we were ready for them! We started seeing movement on the east side of our compound. Then all the sudden something came flying over the wall, had sparks flying it from it, landed between Tig and I, and It exploded. 20:38:04 And that's when they opened up on us. But we also unleashed some hell on them. [ cheer sand applause ] The first wave had about 20 terrorists in it. They went away with a whole lot less. [ cheers and applause ] 20:38:28 TIEGEN: After that first initial firefight, Oz is being kind of old, you know, he's like 40 years older than I am, so he had to pull out his med kid, grabbed some gauze, he's like shoving it in his hear. Really funny, looked like he got a tampon hanging out of his -- Sorry, but I kind of smiled at him, I looked at him, said hey, was that kind of loud much? [ laughter ] 20:38:46 GEIST: You know, that's because Tig came right up beside me, stuck his gun right here, fired right next to my ear. Can't hear out of it till this day. Thanks to him. TIEGEN: Should've moved. [ laughter ] GEIST: You know, soon after that, we got word that the support team from Tripoli led by Glen Doherty had landed at the Benghazi airport. You think security at our airports is bad, you ought to try landing at an airport in a foreign country controlled by a militia that you don't know who their loyalty is to and you've got a bunch of guns and a bag of money. Thank goodness money talks. 20:39:22 TIEGEN: Mine doesn't. Going around 1:30 in the morning, you still have the Ambassador, he's still missing. And still, we got movement starting to come up again on our east side. And, you know, I get on the radio and said hey, you know, hey Bob, is there, are they going to secure the outer perimeter. Again, looking at 1:30, about three half hours into the attack. And we get the answer, I don't know. 20:39:49 Good Intel. At that point, a vehicle actually came out of the darkness. A guy jumped out of the vehicle, immediately drew his arm back. How Oz saw him, you know, old age with the eyes. End up picking him out, through three rounds into him, he dropped like a bag, a sack potatoes. [Cheering] 20:40:13 You would take that guy out, another guy would pop up. And then another guy would pop up. GEIST: You know, it was kind like that arcade game, down on that main strip, you always go play Whack a Mole. A guy would stick his head out and you'd take him out, another guy would stick his head out and you'd shoot him. [ applause ] 20:40:37 TIEGEN: You know, pretty much, a little bit after that we got a call that the ambassador was located at the hospital in Benghazi. You know, there was no way for us to determine if this was a valid, if he was alive or if he was dead. You know, we don't know if it could have been a trick for us to spread our defense you know and you know pretty much screw everybody else over at the consulate. But you know, we had decided to stay put again. 20:41:09 GEIST: At this time I had moved from where at with Tig and got up on top of the roof, we call it building C. Now I was up there with Tyrone and you know, during the downtime, me and Tyrone had started talking about events that night. And Tyrone had told me about earlier that night when Tig had saved his life, cause he got lost in the smoke in the building over at the consulate. And he started yelling out for Tig with total disregard for his own safety, after having just come out of the smoke-filled room went back in and pulled Tig--pulled Tyrone out. [applause] It was during that -- you know, he was also talking about his kids. And it was really -- cause all of us had a lot of young kids out there. Every one of that was there. And , heck, Jack had just found out that his wife had been pregnant. 20:42:06 GEIST: So he had a newborn baby coming.None of us at that point knew if we would make it home or not. This was getting onto that time in the morning about 5:30 when the sun starts coming up and you start seeing that change on the horizon where the sky turns from really dark to that dark blue kind of starting to turn light blue. And you're hearing the morning prayers from the (?) in the distance. About the time the call for prayer finished, we thought, hey the next attack will be here. By that time, when we heard over the radio that Glenn and the team from Tripoli had made their way to the annex and were getting ready to pull in, when they did, instead of going inside the building, Glenn, he came up on top of the roof. He wanted to get in the fight. He joined us up there. Tyrone introduced me to going to Glenn because I had never met him before. First thing out of my mouth it's was good to have another gunfighter up on top of the roof. 20:43:10 He turned and started walking away from it and it was about that time that the final attack started. A rocket propelled grenade hit the back of the wall. Small arms fire opened up from the north right in front of me and Ty. A mortar hit on top of our outer wall. The state department guy yelled he was hit. Took some shrapnel up onto his forehead. We opened up with fire. Tyrone opened up with a machine gun I opened up with my assault rifle. That's when the second mortar hit, hit about 15 15 feet to my right. The explosion kind of knocked me back a little bit and as I stood back up, I kind of noticed that Tyrone was in a fetal position to my left at my feet. I raised my left hand up to grab my rifle and start shooting and that's when I noticed that I was first injured. My left arm about six inches above the wrist was hanging off at a 90 degree angle. 20:44:07 It was then that the third mortar hit. As I glanced over my right shoulder, I noticed Glenn was face down on the roof and he was out of the fight. I tried again to bring my arm up to grab my weapon because I wanted to get back into the fight. It just would not work. I could not get it to hold on. That's when the fourth mortar hit. That's really the first time I felt any pain that night and it felt like I got stung by a thousand bees. I figured at that time, the hardheaded marine ought to get to some cover in case he dropped another one on us.So I dove for cover and everything went quiet. I pulled a tourniquet out started to get it out on my arm but I kinda got distracted I wanted to check on (?) so I crawled over tried to find a pulse. Couldn't find one. It was about that time, I saw a shadow come up on the roof and that was sig. The dust and debris still had not finished falling when he got up on the roof. 20:45:14 TIEGEN>> He kind of got scared where we were initially fighting and he got on the roof. As I'm standing there, at first round, he was saying (?) way just laying (?) pretty much. When that first round hits the roof it just went dead quiet.The debris was so thick, you cannot see the stars. Just went pitch black. Pitch quiet. I start moving towards the building C and I get on the radio and I said hey are you guys all right up on building C? Of course I didn't expect a response at all. The team later said they were all right in here of course you have to tell them to shut up talking about the guys up on the roof. Jackets on and says, hey got no movement ran over there. First thing I do, I jump over the parapet and the first guy I see is the state guy leaning up against the wall. Has his pistol put. 20:46:08 His left leg just below the knee almost severed off. His left arm below the elbow is almost completely severed off. I had to disarm him really quick lucky he didn't shoot me. Maybe I would have got a medal if he would have. I got 2 tourniquets.Put a tourniquet on his leg. Put a tourniquet on his arm. I'm asking for extra help from the guys below inside the building. Whole time I'm doing that I'm also hearing like something crying behind me, weird sound don't hear that too often. I get him down, give his pistol back to him. Unloaded it of course because you're not going to give him a loaded pistol back. As I start moving across, again I can hear the whimpering and the next thing I know I notice it's Oz. He's kind of sitting his back against the wall and playing with his wrist like a little kid. You need to quit doing that it will be worse. 20:47:03 GEIST>> I kind of figured I was trying to put it back in place but it wouldn't stay there. TEIGEN>> I didn't have any superglue. He had his tourniquet out. I grabbed his tourniquet on his arm, stood him up and said hey man can you get to the ladder by yourself? GEIST>> I told him yeah, hell yeah because I knew that Tyrone and Glenn still needed help. Somewhere in the back my mind I was hoping they were still alive. So I walked over to the ladder that went down and kind of sat up on the ledge. And I'm sitting there looking down thinking how am I going to get down off this thing. I just survived two or three assaults on our compound and three mortars landed on me and the next thing you know, I'm sitting there thinking, my luck I'm going to fall off this roof and break my neck. Those are not stores I want my kids to hear about how I die. If I'm going to go out, I want to go out in a blaze of glory. [Cheering] 20:48:01 GEIST: So I ended up hooking my good arm on the top rung of the ladder and I was thinking I might swing my feet down around the ladder but sure enough Murphy's law, what can go wrong will go wrong. Right as I slide my feet down I fell off the ladder. Luckily I caught myself with my good arm and pulled myself back up. Got myself together and climbed on the ladder. Walked around through the front of the building, meeting one of our other guys coming out. He walked me in and laid me down on the floor. I was sitting there. And they were looking at me, and I told him you know hey you need to cut my clothes off because I know I got a bunch of other holes in me. I know there's a bunch of other wounds that need to be treated. So finally they got my clothes cut off of me and we found about 20 or 30 other shrapnel holes. Most of them weren't bleeding too bad so we got them plugged and ready to go again. 20:48:48 TIEGAN>> You know, after I got Oz up, and you know, he kind of mumbled a bit cause he lost his cane when the motors hit. So he didn't have a cane to walk across the roof anymore. But you know, immediately I went over to where the next guy was, which was Rone. I rolled him over. Immediately checked for a pulse. His throat moved just a little bit. I didn't get a pulse. So I immediately ripped off his body armour. You know, lifted up his shirt. And did what they call look, listen, feel. Kind of out your ear on their mouth. So you're trying to hear or feel their breath and see if their chest or the stomach's moving at all. Didn't get anything. I got the flashlight. Checked for a pupil dilation. And there was nothing. So at that moment, you know, I knew he was gone. And you know, Oz, I knew he just went down. 20:49:38 And, you know, so I knew the next radio call was gonna be for him and -- cause Tyrone was also our medic. So I had announced, hey, you know, Tyrone is gone. Got up, moved over to the next guy. Which ended up being, you know, Glen Doherty Bub. Again, same like Oz, never worked with him, never met him. Rolled him over, same thing. Checked for a pulse. Look, listen, feel. Did a pupil dilation. Same thing, there was nothing. Immediately went back over to Rone. Grabbed all of his weapons and stuff like that. Kneeled down, said a prayer over him, went over to Bub, you know, grabbed his weapon system, kneeled down and said a prayer over him. 20:50:24 By that time, you know, we all got off the roof. And, you know, we knew we had to get out of there. We had to get everyone else out of there, cause there's nothing that we had that could defend against mortar attack, and the fact that a building just got hit by 3 81 millimeter mortars and it didn't collapse on everybody inside, well it definitely wasn't the construction of the building, it was definitely from upstairs. 20:50:52 GEIST: It was the grace of god. [Cheering] Once we all us wounded got stabilized, we secured the dead, we made sure we didn't have any critical information left behind. And that's when we made our way to the airport. To get there, we ended up having to enlist the militia, happened to be Gaddafi loyalists. Those are the ones that helped us -- the ones that Hillary wanted to get out of Libya. They're the ones that helped the Americans get to the hospitals. 20:51:24 And get to the airport. [ cheers ] When we got there, we loaded up the non-shooting personnel. I made my trip in the back of a hilux pickup truck. It's kind of like a Toyota. They came over to me, I was sitting on a gourney. They came to grab the gurney and that's when I kind of sat up and told them I walked into Benghazi, I'm gonna walk out. [Cheering] 20:51:51 TIEGAN>> That was the same plane that brought Glen and the guys down from Tripoli. But you know, this was one of the planes Glenn did not make it back on. The plane that they secured, the Tripoli team secured from a Libyan that they had just met that day they had just met that day. Again, I don't really think it is a coincidence. You know, we got an overwatcher with us that night. You know, we got everybody loaded up, headed to Tripoli and then we had to turn our task, cause we got left, you know we didn't get left behind, we stayed behind because they couldn't hold everybody. 20:52:28 Again, the Gaddafi loyalist militia stepped up and said, hey, we can get the ambassador. They looked up and came back, returned with the ambassador's body. Myself, Tanto, and one of the Delta Force guys, you know, made, checked to make sure it was him. Looked him over. You know, he was wearing the exact same clothes at the morning I saw him, when we went over there, cause there was a threat on a local, well there was a threat on a government compound that day. And, you know, but he was wearing the exact same clothes. The only difference, he had black soot on his feet, on his fingernails, around his ears, -- you know, but there was no sign of torture, not sign of mutilation. You know, it was obvious to us he died of smoke inhalation. And all the rumors about that happening to him and our own government not squashing it right away is a bunch of bull crap. ` 20:57:15 [video plays] ANTONIO SABATO, JR. 21:00:20 >> Good evening. I'm honored to be here. This November we're going to win. [Cheering] I know I'm not your typical convention speaker. You might be wondering why I chose to speak. The truth is, I never consider myself very political or spoken out politically before. My belief in this country, my faith in Jesus Christ have compelled me to speak now. That is right. [Cheering] I'm concerned about our country's future. I'm concerned about my children's future and I believe we need Donald Trump who shares my beliefs, my faith, to get our country back on track. In the past eight years, failed policies have caused our country to deteriorate. Our rights have been trembled? And our security threatened. We are weaker by almost every measure. We are on the wrong path. 21:00:33 It is clear even to someone who was not even born here, I came to the United States from Rome, Italy in 1985. [Cheering] I follow all the rules and finally became a naturalized citizen in 1996. [Cheering] That's right. Others, who want to come to the U.S. To live and work should follow the same rules. [Cheering] That's right. We are a nation of laws for a reason. There should be no shortcuts for those who don't want to pay or wait. My mother was born in communist Prague, escaped the Czech Republic and met my dad in Italy I know what socialism looks like and I don't want that for my children. Not at all. But that is the path. That is the path we are headed down with the leader we have had and the candidate he endorses. Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton promote division. 21:02:53 Don't be fooled. Donald Trump is for unity. [Cheering] Donald Trump believes in one America with liberty and justice for all. Having secure borders, protecting our citizens, none of this is hateful.This is the responsibility of the government. [Cheering] That's right. It is the right thing to do. Donald Trump will get it done and put us back on the right track. 21:03:34 People know this and that is why they have voted as they had. We can no longer afford to be silent. Our country needs Donald Trump to make us great again. [Cheering] God bless you and god bless the United States of America! [Cheering] Mary Ann Mendoza, Sabine Durden, Jamiel Shaw 21:04:15 MARY ANN >> Good evening. My son, Sergeant Brandon Mendoza, was killed two years ago by an illegal alien who was a repeat criminal. Everyone of the crimes that he committed have laws that should have resulted in court mandated jail time. But it didn't happen. Instead, I had my son's life stolen from the by a man who was three times the legal limit drunk, was high on meth and drove for over 35 miles the wrong way on four different freeways and he had no business being in this country. 21:05:02 My son was an intricate part of a community and his death had left a large void in many people's lives. This is a good cop story that was cut short. He was a modern day beat cop. He went door-to-door and met everyone in his beat. They invited them in for dinner, he checked in on the elderly, he got drug dealers out of the neighborhood, he advocated for children, he provided an annual thanksgiving dinner, he shopped for children at Christmas and he inspired children to stay in school. A memorial is still up in the area he patrolled. My son's life was stolen at the hands of an illegal alien. It is time that we have an administration that cares more about Americans than about illegals. [Cheering] 21:06:07 A vote for Hillary is putting all of our children's lives at risk. It's time for Donald Trump. Thank you. [ cheers ] 21:06:24 SABINE >> Sadly, I have a similar story to share with you. My best friend, my rock, my son Dominic, my only child was also killed by an illegal immigrant. I call them illegal aliens. [Cheering] He was an amazing young man who was loved by all. He was fun, generous, outgoing. He was also in law-enforcement. He was a 9-1-1 dispatcher and pursuing his dream to be a helicopter pilot for the police department. 21:07:08 Life was good. His future looked bright. Until a criminal illegal alien turned his car in front of him riding his motorcycle to work and he killed him instantly. [ gets choked up ] The killer was from Guatemala and had recently been deported for felonies of armed robbery and grand theft. After returning to America illegally again, he was caught drunk driving. No license, no registration, no insurance and he got probation. Another DUI, another probation. Five weeks later, while barely under the legal limit of being drunk, he killed my Dom. He was given a misdemeanor and served just 35 days in jail. >> [Boos] 21:08:23 I have been talking about illegal immigration since 2012. Since he got killed and no one listened. Until Donald Trump. [Cheering] Donald Trump is not only my hero, he's my lifesaver. [Cheering] Hillary Clinton, or as we know her, crooked Hillary -- [cheering] Always talks about what she will do for illegal aliens and what she will do for refugees. What Donald Trump talks about what he will do for Americans. 20:09:36 [Cheering] Usa. Usa. Usa. Usa. We need to enforce our immigration -- our existing immigration laws. We need to secure our borders so no other person has to ever go through this kind of grief, pain, agony knowing this could have been prevented. Build the wall. Americans need to come first. Thank you. [Cheering] 20:10:11 JAMIEL >> Thank you to the RNC for the invitation to speak about my beloved son. Jamiel Jazz Shaw the 2nd. Special thank you to my friend, the undisputed GOP nominee and the next president of the united States. Donald J trump. [Cheering] On March the second, 2008, my life changed in a twinkling of an eye. One minute I'm hearing my son's voice, "be right home old man. I'm right around the corner" The next minute, gunshots. And Jazz is dead. I saw the hole in his head and blood everywhere. It happened so fast Jazz was still holding his phone. At the same moment, his mother was serving in our military overseas. The day we buried Jazz, LAPD came to my home to tell us they found the killer. For two weeks local politicians supported us and every black politician in la did too. 21:11:28 They even put up a permanent memorial. Two weeks after that, everything changed. We learned the killer was an illegal alien gang banger from Mexico. Released from jail, with a deportation hold, three gun charges and assault and battery on a police officer. And the politicians disappeared. In 2012, we finally had our day in court. The D.A. Proved Jazz was murdered because he was black. The coroner testified while he was on his back, bleeding from a stomach wound, his hands were up and his second bullet went through his hand and into his head. It was also provedthat the killer's gang targeted black males. You would think Obama cared and black lives matter, no. We all know Hillary is Obama's third term. Only trump called me on the phone to see how I was doing. Only trump will stand against terrorists and end illegal immigration. [Cheering] Build the wall. 21:13:13 Only trump mentions Americans killed by illegals. Donald Trump will put America first. Not crooked Hillary. I will say it again, like I said before, trump is sent from god. Support trump and pence. Let's come together and make America safe and a great again. Thank you [Cheering] REP MICHAEL MCCAUL 21:14:06 >> Good evening. I'm Michael Mccaul, chairman of the homeland security committee. And I'm a fourth-generation texan. [Cheering] Born and raised in Dallas Texas. Let us remember tonight the Dallas and Louisiana police officers who tragically lost their lives. America stands with my hometown and we will never forget. And to law-enforcement officers across this nation, we are with you and we will always support you. [Cheering] 21:14:59 Tonight, we heard powerful testimony from people who have been devastated by Obama's reckless immigration policies. Haven't we had enough? And now Hillary Clinton is promising more of the same. Open borders, executive amnesty, and a surge of Syrian refugees. [crowd booing] This is a dangerous liberal agenda and it is time for a change. It's time to take back our country and make America safe again. [Cheering, chanting USA] 21:16:06 We need to end sanctuary cities, . [Cheering] Keep dangerous people out of our country. [Cheering] And secure our borders once and for all. [Cheering build that wall] Our country's national security is at risk. President Reagan once reminded us that America is a shining city upon a hill. A beacon of hope to the world. But after eight years of weak leadership, our city on a hill is now a city under siege. Today, our allies no longer trust us. Our adversaries no longer fear us. And our enemies are plotting against us. 21:17:06 This did not happen by accident. It happened by design. It is the work of a Barack Obama and the architect of his failed foreign policy Hillary Clinton. [Cheering] For years, they presided over America's retreat. And the consequences clear. Leading from behind has led us into danger. When Hillary stopped talking about the war on terror, our enemies noticed. When she helped withdraw our forces from Iraq, creating a power vacuum, she paved the way for ISIS to rear its ugly head and our enemies noticed. When four Americans were murdered and Benghazi burned. She blamed it on a video. And our enemies noticed. When she stood on the sidelines while terror hotspots erupted across the globe, our enemies noticed. 21:18:15 We have all witnessed the recent attacks in Nice, Paris, Brussels, and Istanbul and now we are in the crosshairs. Our own city streets have become the battleground. Ft. Hood, Boston, Chattanooga, San Bernardino, and Orlando. But instead of protecting Americans, the Obama administration turned a blind eye to the dangers. So let's cut through the suffocating political correctness. [Cheering] And call the threat what it really is, the enemy is radical Islam. [Cheering] 21:19:13 These fanatics have radicalized a religion into a weapon targeting our way of life. President Reagan once asked are you better off than you were four years ago? But tonight, let me ask you this question. Are you safer than you were eight years ago? CROWD>> No! MCCAUL>> No. Is our military stronger? CROWD>> No. MCCAUL>> Is America still respected? CROWD>> No. 21:19:49 MCCAUL>> Over and over Obama and Hillary have apologized for America and allowed jihadists to spread like wildfire. We cannot afford Hillary in the white house again. [Cheering] We need someone who can repair the damage she has done, take the fight to the enemy and put America first. That man is Donald Trump. [Cheering] 21:20:50 I am proud to serve as a member of his national security team. And I can tell you this, I can tell you this, Donald will never apologize for American greatness. He will promote it. [Cheering] It is time to unify as a party. It is time to unify as a party. He will never bow down to our enemies. He will stand up to them. And Donald will never allow terrorists to gain ground against America. He will shake the ground they walk on. [Cheering] 21:21:52 My father was a bombardier in World War II and participated in the d-day invasion against the Nazis. His generation often defined as the greatest defeated fascism and communism handing down a better and safer america to my generation. Now we are in a struggle against the forces of radical Islam and terror which must be defeated for our children and our grandchildren. [Cheering] A trump administration will take on this and send a clear message to islamic terrorists. You may have fired the first shot, but rest assured, America will fire the last. [Cheering] CROWD>> Usa! Usa! Usa! 21:23:18 MCCAUL: Thank you and may god bless America. God bless the next president of the United States Donald Trump. DAVID CLARKE 21:24:10 Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen. I would like to make something very clear, blue lives matter in America. [Cheering] >> [chant ] Usa. Usa. Usa. 21:24:48 >> I stand before you tonight with a heavy heart as the law enforcement community prepares to bury three of Baton Rouge's, Louisiana finest. But there is some good news out of Baltimore Maryland as lieutenant Brian Rice was acquitted on all charges [Cheering] in the malicious prosecution of activist state attorney Marilyn Mosby. >> Boo! 21:25:29 Now I want to talk to you about something important. Indeed, a concept that five law enforcement officers were murdered and nine more were wounded for earlier this month. And for was three more were murdered two days ago in Baton Rouge, Louisiana. And that is the importance of making America safe again. [Cheering] 21:26:02 You see I believe that this noble mission is not just a requirement but a prerequisite for achieving this campaign's goal of making America great again. [Cheering] We simply cannot be great if we do not feel safe in our homes, on our streets, and in our schools. I see this every day at street level where many Americans increasingly have an uneasiness about the ability of their families to live safely in these troubling times. This transcends race, religion, ethnicity, gender, age, and lifestyle. [Cheering] 21:26:52 And if you don't believe it, a recent Gallup poll confirms it. More than half of all Americans now worry a great deal about crime and violence. Up consistently and dramatically from just a few years ago. And for African-Americans, that number is 70%. Sadly, for a growing number of communities, the sense of safety that many of us once took for granted has been shattered. 21:27:25 Americans don't always feel safe no matter if they're working in a big city, living in a suburb or rural areas all around this great country. I often tell residents of Milwaukee and the cities and towns that visit, that safety is a shared endeavor. It starts with a willing acceptance of people to play by society's rules. A code, a code, if you will, where we collectively agree upon that insures stability, fairness and inspect. It is built on the foundation of trust in each other. And the people who administer and enforce society's rules which at its foundation is the rule of law. [cheering] 21:28:21 In 1963, Dr. Martin Luther king wrote passionately about the interrelatedness of all communities and states and about our inescapable network of mutuality tying us in a single garment of destiny. He spoke of the basic reality of the rule of law provided that it is applied equally to both the wealthy and the impoverished, both men and women, and yes the majority and the minority. [Cheering] 21:29:00 What we witnessed in Ferguson and Baltimore and Baton Rouge was a collapse of the social order. So many of the actions of the occupy movement and black lives matter transcend peaceful protest and violates the code of conduct we rely on. I call it anarchy. [Cheering] 21:29:26 You see, American law enforcement officers understand that race is and has been a heated issue in our country. Most appreciate the vital need for thoroughness and transparency in pursuit of the greater good in their actions and in their investigations. These are truths that are self evident to me and which I practice. And they are the truths the Donald Trump understands and supports. [cheers] 21:30:01 Donald Trump is the steadfast leader our nation needs. He has spoken passionately to me of his belief in our American system of justice. He speaks to the values that are at the foundation of our social contract. Throughout his campaign and over many years he has consistently and constantly raised his voice not only in defense of the character of the police officer but the need for all people to feel that they are being treated fairly and respectfully by law enforcement. [Applause] >> [ chant ] USA! 21:30:48 You see, Donald Trump understands that what can make our nation safe again is a recommitment to a system of justice in which no government official, not even those who have fought their way to the marble and granite halls of Washington, no private citizen, no elected official, even Hillary Clinton, and no group of people despite the fervor with which they put forth in their grievances can claim privilege above the law. It cannot happen in the United States. [Applause] 21:31:33] The tradition of the primacy of the rule of law in America is strong. It is in those simple facts and in our acts that we will move forward toward making America safe again. God bless you and may God continue to bless these united States of America. SEAN AND RACHEL DUFFY 21:32:20 SEAN DUFFY: Hello America. I met Rachel 19 years ago on America's first reality TV show. Six weeks ago we had our eighth little baby. Who said nothing good comes out of reality TV? RACHEL DUFFY>> So with a family of 10 it gets a little crazy. So we have some pretty simple rules in our house. Clean your room. SEAN DUFFY: No teenage boys in your bedroom. RACHEL: No waking mom and dad up on Saturday mornings. SEAN: No private servers in the basement. 21:33:17 RACHEL: And no lying-- SEAN: Especially to the FBI. For us, it is all about family. I come from a long line of lumberjacks. My Irish family were tough farmers and sawyers who came to Wisconsin to work. They knew anyone could succeed in America with grit, faith and family. Rachel: My grandparents came here from Mexico. They settled in Arizona where my father was a shoeshine boy. By the age of 12 he started his own business making pinatas. My mother taught herself English and both of my parents attended night school and earned their degrees while raising a family. [Applause] 21:34:30 Sean: Hard work, discipline, self-reliance and opportunity. That is the American dream that we believe in. Rachel: It is a dream that is bigger and more satisfying than any bureaucrat or government check could ever hope to deliver. [Applause] Sean: Our grandparents chose to be Americans. We choose to be Republicans. The Republican party offers upward mobility rooted in individual liberty and economic freedom. Rachel: We cannot let America become the corrupt socialist regimes that our families left behind. 21:35:24 Sean: Sadly, Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton have left us in $19 trillion in debt. And thousands of new rules and regulations that are crushing the American workers. Do you want four more years of that? [crowd yells no] Radical jihadists are killing Americans. While all the time, Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama are fretting over whether to call it workplace violence or hate crime. Do you want four more years of that? We need to unify behind a new president who can strengthen, protect and restore our nation for the next generation. 21:36:25 Rachel: Every morning I look into the eyes of what is at stake in this election. Our children. Yours and mine. The challenges facing America have never been greater. We must meet those challenges. [Applause] Sean: We can make America great again. And we will. But it is going to take all of us, in Wisconsin and hello Wisconsin. We turned our blue state red. We have won every election except for the big one. We can't stay home now. If we're going to save our country. America, let's rally behind Donald Trump and together let's make America great again. May god bless you all. [Applause] Let's have a great convention. DARRYL GLENN 21:37:54 Give God the glory. [ cheers ] Good evening. I said good evening. >> Good evening! My name's Darryl Glenn, and I'm an unapologetic constitutional conservative, pro-life, second amendment loving veteran. [ cheers ] 21:38:28 And I'm your republican nominee for senate in the number one battle ground state in this country, and that's Colorado. It is my privilege to stand here and support our next president, Donald Trump. [ cheers ] You know, I'm often asked, why are you a republican? Well, it's because the Democrat party is the party of handouts. And after seven and half years, the only thing we have left in our pockets is change. 21:39:08 [ laughter and cheers ] This president ran to be commander-in-chief. Unfortunately, his rhetoric has made him the divider in chief. We are more racially divided today than before he ran. But there is more. 21:39:38 Did you see the new black panthers outside? Where are Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton? They don't speak for black America and they don't speak for me. Mr. President, I have a message. This is not about black America, white America, brown America. This is about the United States of America. And quite frankly somebody with a nice tan needs to say this. All lives matter. [Applause] 21:40:48 Here are some more facts Mr. President. Neighborhoods have become more violent under your watch. Your rhetoric has a direct impact on the relationships between the community and the police. We can bring this country together. But we must realize that our heroes in blue are part of the solution and not the problem. Stand up and support those men and women in Dallas. Stand up and support those law enforcement in Louisiana. Let's make sure we hear them this is your opportunity. Blue lives matter. Yes that's right ladies and gentlemen. [Applause] 21:41:42 Nobody wants bad caps off the street more than good cops. But if we really want to heal all our community, more men need to start stepping up and taking care of their children. [Applause] Safe neighborhoods happen when fathers and mothers are at home. But there's more. We also must recognize that evil exists in this world. The threat from radical islamic terrorism is real. 21:42:16 Our troops don't care what party you represent. They care about having the tools, training, and equipment to be able to do their jobs. And if you put them in harm's way, let them win. [cheers] And when they come home, honor them and care for their injuries. My friends, we must win this election. Hillary Clinton is unfit to be president. [cheers] 21:43:11 And we all know she loves her pantsuits. Yes, you know it's coming. But we should send her an e-mail and tell her she deserves a bright orange jumpsuit. [cheers and applause] Here's the bottom line. American exceptionalism is alive and well. Evil exists. And as God as my witness, this battle has already been fought and won. 21:43:49 Believe we can win. Believe we can change things. Believe that together we can make America great again. [Applause] My name is Darryl Glenn, I can't do this without your help. God bless each and everyone of you. God bless the great state of Colorado. And God bless the United States of America. Thank you ladies and gentlemen. TOM COTTON 21:44:55 For eight years, we've seen what happens when America leads from behind. Leading from behind-that's not what the Army taught me. To everyone who agrees that America ought to lead the way, I have a message to deliver and let me say it loud and clear: help is on the way. 21:45:26 Let me tell you a story about an Arkansas farm boy who became a soldier. When America was at war, he was in school and then in a comfortable professional job exempt from service. But he sacrificed that comfort, against the wishes of his family against the wishes of his father, who himself had served. He volunteered for the Army. He became an infantryman. That farm boy was my dad, Lynn Cotton. He went to Vietnam in 1969. 21:46:14 Thirty-five years later, because of 9/11 I did the same. Against the wishes of my family, I gave up my legal career and I volunteered for the Army. I became an infantryman. I went to Iraq and Afghanistan. My dad said he felt like God was punishing him for what he did to his dad. But God wasn't punishing them; God had called us to serve. Just as He calls so many of you to serve as well. My family isn't extraordinary; in fact, we're very ordinary. From farms in Arkansas to fire stations in New York, so many families could tell the same story. The defense of this country is always a family affair and these families shoulder more than their share of the task. We don't fight because we hate our enemies, but because we love our country. We love its freedom. We love that we as americans are born equal and live free, that no one can boss us around or rule us without our consent. 21:47:49 We know, we know these things are worth fighting and dying for because they make life worth living for. [ cheers ] Our warriors and their families don't ask for much. We're blessed to serve, and we're grateful for the generosity of our fellow citizens. But there are a few things we'd like. We'd like a commander-in-chief who speaks of winning wars and not merely ending wars. [ cheers and applause ] We'd like a commander in chief who calls the enemy by its name. [ cheers ] A commander in chief who draws red lines cautiously, but enforces them ruthlessly. [ cheers ] 21:48:51 And it would be nice to have a commander in chief who could be trusted to handle classified information. [ cheers ] And we'd like politicians who treat our common defense as the chief responsibility of the federal government, not just another government program. This isn't much to ask for, but eight years without it is more than enough, and another 4 years is unthinkable. So let me quote the last republican vice president about the consequences of the last time a Clinton was in the White House. And let me say again, this time, directly to our troops in a Trump-Pence administration and with a Republican Congress, help is on the way. [ cheers ] 21:50:05 Now believe me. No man wants more war if he's seen the face of war. I've planned memorial services for fallen comrades in the mountains of Afghanistan, I've carried their flag-draped caskets off a plane, I've buried them at Arlington National Cemetery. But the wisdom of the ages affirms the counsel of our first president to be prepared for war as one of the most effectual means of preserving peace." The purpose of our common defense, after all, is to protect the American people and preserve our independence so that we can enjoy the blessings of peace-faith, freedom, family, prosperity. 21:51:00 My father and his father were willing to fight so that their children and grandchildren might live in peace. Sadly that wasn't to be. But my generation is fighting, has fought, and will fight so that our children, my infant son Gabriel and the christmas baby my wife and I are expecting might one day live in peace. And for that cause, I speak tonight not only to Republicans, but to the millions of independents and Democrats who share that dream and who wish to make America safe again. Thank you and god bless you. KAREN VAUGHN 21:52:16 Thank you so much for the opportunity to be here tonight. It is a great honor. I am here because I remember when America was strong and proud. When our word meant something. I am here because I raised a son who believed in this country enough to give his life for it. And most of all, I am here because we are at a crossroads unlike anything we have ever witnessed in our lifetime and something must change now. [Applause] 21:53:00 We need new leadership, strong leadership. Leadership we can trust to protect us in the face of ever changing dangers, both here and abroad. Leadership that will longer sit idly by and let our enemies define the world in which we live. [ applause ] There is no adversary the U.S. Military cannot defeat if we unbind from them from the restrictive, ludicrous rules of engagement they've been forced to fight under for the past seven years. [cheers and applause] Thank you. Thank you. 21:53:46 Our national leaders desire to win hearts and minds at whatever cost to our own has had devastating effects. Too many American sons and daughters have died needless deaths due to these absurd rules. Including my only son Aaron.