WOMEN'S ISSUES
INTERVIEW WITH GLORIA STEINEM SPEAKING WITH UNSEEN INTERVIEWER
Gloria Steinem
I think in early childhood, I mean, it's a really little girl, I had the idea that I could be something, even if it was a pretty conventional thing. And then the adolescent period came along and just the role, the whole female role just came down like a vise. And then I began to think that I couldn't be anything, even a conventional thing I had to marry it. And the whole, you know, feeling that you had to find somebody who wanted to do what you also wanted to do in life and attach yourself to that person was really very, very strong. I just thought that on the side, I would do this other little things. I mean, maybe I would, you know, have an interesting job on the side. But it was still very definitely on the side. And it makes it impossible really to find anyone whom you want to share your life with. If you think that your his limitations are going to be totally yours that after that you're you're never going to have a choice. Somebody Elektra once asked me if why it was that women didn't gamble as much as men. And I gave the usual answer, you know, which is that? Well, we don't have enough money, you know, we just don't feel we can risk the money. And afterwards, it occurred to me that the reason we don't gamble cards and poker as much as because our total instinct for gambling is satisfied by marriage. I mean, what could be a bigger gamble, this this problem of being of your total identity, coming from a man, whether the man is your husband, or your father or the person you work for as assistant or CO or advice or whatever it is, Are you the Secretary to that in the movement in the women's movement is known as being male identified, looking for approval for men, for men, total definition for men. But I think you have to talk about being a man junkie, to really get the sense of the strength of it and to understand it as an addiction, which it really is, I mean, you need a kind of shot of identity to to prove that you're really a person, you're just nobody, unless you have a man standing next to you. Whether it's your boss or your husband or a date on Saturday night, and men don't understand how little it matters which man is standing next to you. It's, you know, it's just you're not a complete person. Without that, man, it took me a very long time. I mean, I wasted many, many years. Working Yes, supporting myself, Yes, but doing research for man I knew who were writers giving my ideas and meetings to men because it wouldn't be more acceptable if they suggested it, entertaining their friends living their lives, even if they didn't encourage me to, I mean, I would do it all by myself, even if the men weren't quite able to accept, you know, as a strong woman, I still felt that that was the way I had to behave. I think I had the same problem that a lot of women do. And that is that because society had told me that my group was second class or supportive, at best, I kind of believed. And if I got a little bit up in the world, I didn't want to associate with members of my own group. That kind of dislike of oneself and of one's own group, is something that the women's movement has helped to cure. And it's very joyful. Now to see women making a connection with other women, because at last, we respect ourselves.