1980s NEWS
Back to Host Lipsyte in studio, leaning on piano and talking with Colon who is seated at piano.
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Robert Lipsyte:
Always a lot more than salsa has always been going on at the East Harlem Music School. But salsa is still the bottom line. It's the basis of it all. What exactly is it? I mean, is it is it a beat? Give me some salsa.
Johnny Colon:
Okay. I'll tell you what, let me give you this. That is that is salsa in the essence. And some people will argue well, that's that's, you know, well, I won't go you know, elements of a roomba, what have you. And they would be right. It's a it's a derivative of that. But because of the contribution that young kids like Tito Puente, I say young because I'm going back to when he started contributing to the music, who were born and raised in New York had a different cultural upbringing. And they contributed a certain amount to that music. Of course, my era contributed something else. So that when you start bringing all these different musical contributions to the music, it changes to the point of where it's not called salsa. Salsa is also a commercial term which blankets all the different rhythms you know the one called a song or someone to a tune or a chacha so
Robert Lipsyte:
You can overlay salsa on anything then, in a sense, you could give something a salsa beat.
Johnny Colon:
Yeah, there was a pianist called Joe Loco.
Robert Lipsyte:
Joe Loco?
Johnny Colon:
Joe Loco, yeah, from the from the late 40s, early 50s, who said you give me any, any tune in to 2/4 or 4/4 time and turn it into salsa, and he was right.
Robert Lipsyte:
Can you do that?
Johnny Colon:
Well, I can't do it. Because I haven't, I haven't done it. Well,
Robert Lipsyte:
I mean, can you give me 20 seconds right now of something that I would have known otherwise with a salsa?
Johnny Colon: (plays a salsa beat on piano)
Well, let me see if I can think of something. You could- look let me let me put it to you this way you could do, uh, just a vamp. But you could add anything that you wanted to on top of that. 6/8, just as an example, this is 6/8 time. Keeping that in mind, I'll try to do it together. I know if I can. Sings while clapping the beat: "The most beautiful sound I ever heard Maria, Maria:- right, so there's Maria right from West Side Story. You could also do something like the most beautiful sound I have ever heard. So you can, yeah, you can lay it over.
Robert Lipsyte:
Okay, now I know what salsa is. Why is it so important for kids growing up in East Harlem or the South Bronx to know what it is?
Johnny Colon:
Because it's part of their culture at this point in time. It's it's part of their roots. And what happens is every other generation is coming back to it, looking for its roots later in life. When I was a kid, probably came around to when I was about 16 years old, or between 14 and 16. I heard a guy who was not a Latino named Cal Tjader, who was a drummer first and then a vibus. And he fused jazz and Latin together. And that- that was the bridge for me. So that set it off.
Robert Lipsyte:
When you were growing up, and you wanted music early, you weren't into salsa right away.
Johnny Colon:
Absolutely not.
Robert Lipsyte:
I was born and raised in East Harlem. When I was a kid I was into Latin trio music. And then by the time I was nine, I said I'm not gonna play this stuff. It's not It's not my roots. Well, you grew up in East Harlem. Then what's in your roots, Frank Sinatra?
Johnny Colon:
Oh, Frank Sinatra, Country and Western, you know, Gene Autry. Uh, more of a range concept.
Robert Lipsyte:
Did you take music lessons?
Johnny Colon:
Well, I started taking music lessons when I was about six or seven. And it was a quarter an', and I used to go to all old guitarists to teach. And I took that for about two years.
Robert Lipsyte:
Where'd you get the quarters from?
Johnny Colon:
My mother. My mother worked in a factory and she, she pulled lace in the factory, you know, the lace on women slips. And so and she's she come home with her fingers bleeding from pulling lace in the factory. And that's where I got my quarter from.
Robert Lipsyte:
The bloody quarters went to your music lessons.
Johnny Colon:
Absolutely. Absolutely. And after two years, the guy kicked me out because he said "I can't teach you anymore." You know, I just swallowed it up. And I wanted it so badly. And by the time I got tonight, I said well, you know, I want to try something else. And I did. I went into rock and roll years after that. And because that was happening, you know. And then I went- actually, rhythm blues, The Moon Blows, The Flamingos, the Cadillacs, Frankie Lymon and the Teenagers that kind of stuff. Chuck Berry. And then I went from that to, into, back to the roots, because I heard the music.
Robert Lipsyte:
When the roots hit you, I mean, what when did it suddenly mean something to you?
Johnny Colon :
Well, probably once I got introduced to the music, I wanted to find out, you know, more of actually who I was because, you know, that's when everything just gelled together. And I said wait a minute, the name is not co-lan like they say in school. It's not colon, you know, nobody's intestines. And then I found out that the my name was Colon, you know, and I started wanting to know more. And I found out that the my forefather was not George Washington, you know, and where my- I knew where my people were from, because I was taught that early on, but I started finding out more about my people. My roots.