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[CNN: LARRY KING LIVE - RUDY GIULIANI / JOHN EDWARDS] [LOS ANGELES, ca usa] LARRY KING LIVE FOR WEDNESDAY, FEBRUARY 14, 2007 GUEST: FORMER NEW YORK MAYOR RUDOLPH GIULIANI / RUDY GIULIANI AND JOHN EDWARDS TALK ABOUT THEIR PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGNS. 21:00:23 >> Larry: TONIGHT -- RUDY GIULIANI ANSWERS THE BIG ONE. 21:00:26 ARE YOU RUNNING OR NOT? >> YEAH, I'M RUNNING. 21:00:28 >> Larry: WHAT WOULD HE DO AS AMERICA'S NEXT PRESIDENT? 21:00:30 HOW ABOUT IRAQ, ABORTION, GAY RIGHTS AND MORE? 21:00:35 NEW YORK'S FORMER MAYOR TAKES ON SOME TOUGH QUESTIONS. 21:00:39 >> OF COURSE, THEY WERE MISTAKES. 21:00:42 >> Larry: PLUS, DEMOCRATIC PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE JOHN 21:00:44 EDWARDS ON THE CONTROVERSY THAT HAD SOME CALLING HIS CAMPAIGN 21:00:50 ANTI-CATHOLIC. IT'S ALL NEXT ON "LARRY KING 21:00:51 LIVE." GOOD EVENING. 21:01:01 WE WELCOME TO "LARRY KING LIVE" A OLD FRIEND, RUDY GIULIANI, WHO 21:01:05 HAS FORMED AN EXPLORATORY COMMIT DWROI A 2008 RACE WHICH USUALLY 21:01:11 LEADS TO AN ADVISORY COMMITTEE AND MAYBE COMMIT KBRI. 21:01:14 ARE YOU RUNNING OR NOT? >> I'M RUN. 21:01:16 >> Larry: ARE YOU MAKING AN OFFICIAL ANNOUNCEMENT OR IS THIS 21:01:19 IT? HERE RIGHT NOW? 21:01:20 >> I GUESS YOU DO ONE OF THESE THINGS FOUR, FIVE TIMES IN A DAY 21:01:24 SO I CAN GET ON YOUR SHOW AND ABOUT FIVE OTHERS. 21:01:27 >> Larry: SO YOU'RE RUN SOMETHING. 21:01:28 >> YEAH. >> Larry: FINAL -- WHAT LED TO 21:01:30 THE DECISION? >> I THINK I CAN MAKE A 21:01:32 DIFFERENCE. I BELIEVE THE COUNTRY NEEDS 21:01:33 LEADERSHIP. I THINK WE ARE GOING THROUGH A 21:01:38 WAR ON TERROR OR TERRORISTS' WAR AGAINST US, WHICH MAYBE IS A 21:01:41 BETTER WAY TO DESCRIBE IT. WE HAVE LOTS OF PROBLEMS WE HAVE 21:01:44 TO TACKLE AND RESOLVEMENT WE NEED FISCAL DISCIPLINE. 21:01:47 WE NEED BETTER EDUCATION. WE NEED ENERGY INDEPENDENCE. 21:01:50 THERE ARE SO MANY THINGS WE HAVE NOT SORT OF TACKLED. 21:01:53 ONE OF THE THINGS I DO IS -- >> Larry: TACKLE THINGS. 21:01:57 >> TACKLE THINGS, LEAD. TRY TO GET THINGS DONE. 21:02:03 >> Larry: CUT TO THE TRUTH, YOU'RE SAYING I'M THE BEST. 21:02:06 IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAY SOMETHING. 21:02:07 >> YES, AND VERY HUMBLING. IT TAKES A LONG TIME TO COME TO 21:02:11 THE:COLLUSION WITH ALL OF YOUR IMPERFECTION, ALL OF THE THINGS 21:02:14 WE ALL ARE. NONE OF DOUSE EVERYTHING ELSE. 21:02:17 NONE OF US ARE PERFECT. YOU HAVE TO SAY TO YOURSELF IS 21:02:25 THIS SOMETHING TO DO? FOR A KID FROM BROOKLYN, 21:02:27 SOMETIMES YOU SAY, GEE, IS THIS REALLY HAPPEN SOMETHING AND 21:02:29 OTHER TIMES YOU WAKE UP AND SAY,KY DO THIS. 21:02:32 >> Larry: LET'S GET TO SOME ISSUES. 21:02:34 A LEADING INDUSTRIALIST FRIEND OF MINE SAYS, IF THE UNITED 21:02:37 STATES WAS A CORPORATION, BASED ON THE IRAQ WAR, EVERYBODY ON 21:02:40 TOP WOULD BE FIRE. HOW WOULD YOU COMMENT ON THAT? 21:02:43 IN OTHER WORDS, MEANING IT AIN'T GOING RIGHT. 21:02:44 >> THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN TRUE -- HE WOULD HAVE SAID THE SAME 21:02:47 THING ABOUT THE CIVIL WAR AND ABRAHAM LINCOLN WOULD HAVE BEEN 21:02:50 FIRED AND MIGHT HAVE SAID THE SAME THING ABOUT THE BATTLE OF 21:02:53 THE BULGE AND EISENHOWER AND MARSH ALL WOULD HAVE BEEN FIRED. 21:02:57 >> Larry: ARE YOU SAYING THIS WILL ALL TURN AROUND? 21:02:59 >> I'M NOT CONFIDENT IT WILL ALL TURN AROUND. 21:03:01 WHO KNOWS THAT? YOU NEVER KNOW THAT IN A MIDDLE 21:03:04 OF A WAR. I'M CONFIDENT WE HAVE TO TRY TO 21:03:09 MAKE IT TURN AROUND. WE CAN'T JUST WALK OUT. 21:03:12 IT'S CRITICAL TO US THAT THINGS GET TO THE POINT IN IRAQ WHERE 21:03:15 WE HAVE SOME DEGREE OF STABILITY AND NOT WAY THEY ARE NOW. 21:03:18 IF WE LEAVE IT THE WAY IT IS NOW AND WE RUN OUT, THEN WE WILL 21:03:22 FACE FURTHER DIFFICULTIES IN THE FUTURE. 21:03:24 WE WILL LOSE MORE LIES IN THE FUTURE. 21:03:25 I WILL TELL YOU WHO TELLS ME THAT, A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO HAVE 21:03:28 BEEN THERE. WAYS JUST IN SAN DIEGO SPEAKING 21:03:31 TO SAILORS AND MARINES THAT HAVE BEEN IN IRAQ. 21:03:33 THAT'S WHAT THEY TELL ME. THEY TELL ME, LOOK, THIS IS A 21:03:37 VOLUNTEER ARMY, YOU WANT TO TAKE OUR ADVICE. 21:03:39 OUR ADVICE IS, GIVE US A CHANCE TO TRY TO STABILIZE THIS THAT 21:03:44 PLACE, OTHERWISE WE KNOW WHAT WILL HAPPEN TWOXT YEARS FROM NOW 21:03:46 YOU WILL SEND US BACK BECAUSE THERE WILL BE A MAJOR WAR IN 21:03:49 THIS AREA. >> Larry: WHAT DO YOU DO TO 21:03:51 CHANGE IT? 20,000 TROOPS GOING TO CHANGE 21:03:53 IT? >> I HOPE THEY CHANGE THE WHOLE 21:03:55 STRATEGY, WHICH I HOPE THEY DID. THE WHOLE STRATEGY HAS TO BE A 21:03:59 STRATEGY OF NOT JUST PACIFYING PLACES BUT HOLDING THEM AND 21:04:05 HOLDING THEM FOR SOME PERIOD OF TIME. 21:04:06 IT REMINDS ME A LITTLE, ON A MUCH BIGGER SCALE, WHAT I HAD TO 21:04:10 DO TO REDUCE CRIME IN NEW YORK CITY. 21:04:12 WE HAD TO NOT JUST GO INTO NEIGHBORHOODS AND NATH SAFE, 21:04:16 WHICH THE CITY HAD BEEN DOING FOR YEARS. 21:04:17 THE CITY HAD BEEN GOING IN THERE MAKING THEM SAFE AND LEAVING AND 21:04:20 GOING TO OTHER PLACES. MAKE IT SAFE, LEAVE. 21:04:22 WE HAVE TO GO, MAKE IT SAFE AND IN THE AREAS, DISTRICTS OF 21:04:26 BAGHDAD, AND STAY THERE FOR A PERIOD OF TIME AND STABILIZE IT 21:04:30 AND ALLOW PEOPLE TO HAVE THEIR KIDS GO TO SCHOOL. 21:04:34 WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, THERE WAS A REAL DOUBT AS TO WHETHER WE 21:04:41 COULD DO THIS NATION BUILDING. LOW PRESSURE WE WERE NOT GOING 21:04:45 TO DO IT. >> AND IT'S REALLY HARD TO DO 21:04:49 AND DIFFERENT THAN THE MILITARY HAD TO DO IN THE PAST OR 21:04:51 AMERICA. BUT RIGHT NOW IF WE DON'T DO A 21:04:53 BETTER JOB OF STABILIZING IRAQ, NOT JUST FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE 21:04:57 IRAQI PEOPLE, FOR THE BENEFIT OF OUR PEOPLE, THEN WE HAVE A 21:05:01 COUNTRY WHERE IRAN HAS GOT A MAJOR, MAJOR ABILITY TO EXPAND 21:05:05 THEIR ACTIVITIES. TWO SHIITE COUNTRIES RIGHT NEXT 21:05:08 TO EACH OTHER, SLAUGHTERING -- ONE GROUP AT LEAST, IS 21:05:12 SLAUGHTERING SUNNIS. >> Larry: WOULD YOU AGREE, MR. 21:05:14 MAYOR, IF THEY HAD TO DO THIS ALL OVER AGAIN, GO BACK YEARS, 21:05:18 NOBODY WOULD VOTE FOR THE IRAQ WAR. 21:05:22 100 TO NOTHING PROBABLY IN THE SENATE. 21:05:24 >> I GUESS. BUT I'M NOT SURE THAT EXPLAINS 21:05:26 WHAT'S RIGHT ABOUT US. THE IDEA OF TAKING OUT SADDAM 21:05:30 HUSSEIN WAS ONE THAT WAS PREMISED ON THE FACT THAT HE 21:05:33 INVADED KUWAIT, THAT HE USED CHEMICAL WEAPONS, THAT HE HAD 21:05:37 BILLIONS OF DOLLARS AT HIS DISPOSAL, WHICH HE USED TO 21:05:40 SUPPORT VARIOUS PARTS OF THIS ISLAMIC TERRORIST MOVEMENT. 21:05:44 >> Larry: YOU'RE NOT SAYING YOU WOULD DO IT AGAIN? 21:05:46 >> I WOULD REMOVE SADDAM HUSSEIN AGAIN. 21:05:48 I JUST HOPE WE DO IT BETTER AND IN A DIFFERENT WAY. 21:05:50 WE DO THE NATION BUILDING PART OR THE HANDOFF TO THE IRAQIS OR 21:05:55 REBUILDING OF THE IRAQIS -- HERE ARE THE THINGS I HAVE LEARNED 21:05:59 FROM IT. I 21:06:02 I WOULD TAKE OUT SADDAM HUSSEIN IN A SECOND AGAIN. 21:06:04 I THINK THE WORLD IS MUCH BETTER OFF WITHOUT SADDAM HUSSEIN THAN 21:06:06 WITH HIM. I THINK SOME OF THE CONFUSION 21:06:08 DOES NOT LEAD US TO REALLY SEE THAT. 21:06:10 HERE'S WHAT I WOULD CHANGE -- DO IT WITH MORE TROOPS -- 21:06:13 >> Larry: WHEN WAS RECOMMENDED AND TURNED DOWN. 21:06:17 >> MAYBE 150,000 MORE. WOULD I DO IT IN A WAY WHICH WE 21:06:21 DID NOT DISBAND THE ARMY, WHICH WE LEARNED. 21:06:23 THIS IS ALL MONDAY MORNING QUARTERBACKING BUT THE MONDAY 21:06:25 MOERN QB, IN ORDER TO PLAY THE NEXT GAME BETTER, MONDAY MORE 21:06:30 THAN QUARTERBACK, YOU JUST WANT TO CRITICIZE, CHEAP STUFF. 21:06:33 MONDAY MORNING QUARTERBACK NEXT SATURDAY OR SUNDAY SO YOU CAN 21:06:35 PLAY BETTER IS ABSOLUTELY RIGHT. I WOULD -- I WOULD HAVE US NOT 21:06:40 DISBAND THE ARMY. YOU WOULD NOT DEBADGE PHI. 21:06:44 SEE, IT SOUNDS LIKE THE RIGHT THING TO DO. 21:06:46 YOU'RE GETTING RID OF ALL OF THE SOLD ZAMD GUYS BUT THAT MEANT 21:06:50 GETTING RID OF THE ENTIRE CIVIL SERVICE. 21:06:53 THE COUNTRY HAD NO INFRASTRUCTURE. 21:06:55 >> Larry: SO WHO DO YOU BLAME, RUMSFELD? 21:06:56 >> I DON'T BLAME ANYBODY. >> Larry: SOMEBODY HAS -- 21:06:59 NOBODY'S TO BLAME? >> YOU DON'T DO IT THAT WAY. 21:07:03 THAT IS WHY YOU DON'T MAKE PROGRESS. 21:07:05 I DON'T BLAME PEOPLE FOR NOT FIGURING OUT SEPTEMBER 11 BEFORE 21:07:07 IT HAPPENED. I KIND OF LOOK AT WHAT HAPPENED 21:07:10 SO YOU LEARN FOR THE FUTURE. >> Larry: THERE WERE MISTAKE 21:07:13 ZBLZ OF COURSE THERE WERE MISTAKES. 21:07:15 LINCOLN MADE MISTAKES. ROOSEVELT MADE MISTAKES. 21:07:17 IDES ENHOUR MADE MISTAKES. THE BATTLE OF THE BULGE WAS THE 21:07:21 BIGGEST INTELLIGENCE IDEA IN THE HISTORY OF AMERICA, MUCH BIGGER 21:07:24 THAN VIETNAM OR NOW. WE DIDN'T KNOW THE SOVIETS WERE 21:07:28 MOVING 400,000, 500,000 TROOPS. >> Larry: SHOULD THEY BE BLAMED 21:07:32 FROM NOT EXPLAINING -- >> LEARN FROM IT. 21:07:35 >> Larry: THE AMERICAN PUBLIC IS SO AGAINST IT. 21:07:36 HAVE THEY DONE A BAD JOB IN EXPLAIN SOMETHING. 21:07:39 >> MAYBE, MAYBE. >> Larry: WOULD YOU COMMUNICATE 21:07:41 BETTER? >> I DON'T KNOW. 21:07:42 I HOPE I WOULD. I HOPE THAT I WOULD LEARN FROM 21:07:45 THE MISTAKES THAT WERE MADE IN THIS SITUATION, LIKE THE 21:07:54 MISTAKES I MAY AS MAYOR, I LEARNED FROM THEM. 21:07:58 IF I AM PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES, I WILL NOT MAKE THE SAME 21:08:02 MISTAKES I WILL LEARN FROM THEM AND MABLG NEW ONES. 21:08:06 AND I WILL LEARN FROM PRESIDENT CLINTON AND GEORGE BUSH. 21:08:09 THIS JOB IS SO DIFFICULT. YOU HAVE TO HAVE HUMILITY ABOUT 21:08:12 IT AND YOU HAVE TO UNDERSTAND HOW TO LOOK AT THE PAST, NOT 21:08:15 ONLY IN A WAY THAT CASTS BLAME, BUT YOU LEARN FROM IT. 21:08:18 >> Larry: THE HOUSE SPARPTLY ABOUT TO VOTE AND WILL VOTE 21:08:20 APPARENTLY, TO SAY THIS 20,000 TROOPS IS A MISTAKE. 21:08:25 IMPORTANT QUESTION -- DO YOU HOLD THOSE WHO VOTE FOR THAT AS 21:08:27 HELPING THE ENEMY? >> NO. 21:08:29 I HOLD THEM AS -- >> Larry: SOME SAY THAT. 21:08:31 YOU DON'T? >> AS PRACTICE, YOU CAN LOOK AT 21:08:34 THE PRACTICAL AND CONCLUSION ANY WAY YOU WAUCHBLT BUT WE HAVE A 21:08:42 RIGHT OF FREE SPEECH THIS THIS COUNTRY. 21:08:44 WE ELECT PEOPLE TO MAKE DECISIONS. 21:08:45 HERE'S WHAT I WOULD PREFER TO SEE THEM DO. 21:08:49 IF YOU ASK ME WHAT'S MY VIEW ON THAT. 21:08:52 THE NONBINDING RESOLUTION THING GETS ME MORE THAN ARE YOU FOR IT 21:08:54 OR AGAINST IT. I HAVE TREMENDOUS RESPECT FOR 21:08:58 THE PEOPLE WHO FEEL THAT WE EITHER MADE A MISTAKE GOING TO 21:09:02 WAR, WHO VOTED AGAINST THE WAR, WHO NOW HAVE COME TO THE 21:09:05 CONCLUSION, CHANGED THEIR MINDS. THEY HAVE EVER RIGHT TO THAT 21:09:09 THAT IT'S WRONG. YOU SHOULD IN A DYNAMIC 21:09:13 SITUATION KEEP QUESTIONING. BUT THERE'S NO DECISION. 21:09:17 >> Larry: IT'S A STATEMENT. >> THAT'S WHAT YOU DO AND WHAT 21:09:21 TIM RUSSERT DOES AND RUSH LIMBAUGH DOES. 21:09:23 MAKE COMMENTS. WE PAK THEM TO MAKE DECISIONS, 21:09:26 NOT JUST TO MAKE COMMENTS. WE PAY THEM TO DECIDE. 21:09:30 THE UNITED STATES CONGRESS DOES DECLARATIONS OF WAR. 21:09:33 >> Larry: IF YOU FEEL THAT WAY, WITHHOLD FUNDS, THAT'S THE WAY 21:09:37 YOU FEEL? >> THE ONES I THINK HAVE A 21:09:39 BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT THEIR RESPONSIBILITY IS ARE -- 21:09:44 AND ARE WILLING TO TAKE A RISK, ARE THE ONES WHO ARE SAYING, WE 21:09:47 HAVE GOT TO HOLD BACK THE FUNDS. WE HAVE TO VOTE AGAINST THE WAR 21:09:51 OR WE ARE FOR THE WAR. MAYBE IT'S BECAUSE I RAN A 21:09:55 GOVERNMENT, AND I TEND TO BE A DECISIVE PERSON. 21:09:57 I LIKE DECISIONS. ONE OF THE THINGS WRONG WITH 21:09:59 WASHINGTON IS, THEY DON'T WANT TO MAKE TOUGH DECISIONS ANYMORE. 21:10:04 NONBINDING RESOLUTION ABOUT IRAQ, NO DECISION ON 21:10:07 IMMIGRATION. NO DECISION ON SOCIAL SECURITY 21:10:09 REFORM. NO DECISION ON WHAT TO DO ABOUT 21:10:11 ENERGY INDEPENDENCE. NO DECISION. 21:10:12 YOU KNOW WHY THAT HAPPENS? BECAUSE IT'S UNPOPULAR. 21:10:15 >> Larry: I HAVE TO TAKE A BREAK. 21:10:17 I DON'T WANT TO TAKE YOUR HEART, BUT IF YOU'RE PRESIDENT, YOU 21:10:21 CANNOT ROOT FOR THE YANKEES. >> YOU HAVE TO MAKE DECISIONS. 21:10:24 >> Larry: YOU HAVE TO ROOT FOR EVERYBODY. 21:10:25 RUDY GIULIANI IS OUR GUEST AND READ CANDIDATE. 21:10:26 HE'S RUNNING! WE WILL BE RIGHT BACK. 21:13:23 >> Larry: LET'S MOVE TO SOME THINGS DOMESTIC. 21:13:27 YOU HAVE HAD SOME CALLS LATELY THAT SEEM CONTRADICTORY. 21:13:30 I KNOW YOU'RE PRO-CHOICE. YOU ARE ALWAYS WHOA CHOICE AND 21:13:34 YET YOU SAID YOU WILL APPOINT JUDGE THAT'S ARE STRICT 21:13:39 CONSTRUCTIST AND THEY DID OVERTURN ROE VS. WADE. 21:13:44 >> DON'T THINK THAT 1234. >> Larry: HOW DO YOU EXPLAIN IS 21:13:48 THAT THAT? >> I'M PRO-CHOICE BUT I'M ALSO, 21:13:52 AS YOU KNOW, AGAINST ABORTION, HATE ABORTION. 21:13:54 DON'T LIKE IT. WOULD NOT PERSONALLY ADVISE 21:13:57 ANYONE TO HAVE ABORTION. BUT I BELIEVE A WOMAN HAS A 21:13:59 RIGHT TO CHOOSE. CAN YOU NOT HAVE CRIMINAL 21:14:01 PENALTIES, AND I THINK THAT WOULD BE WRONG. 21:14:03 I WOULD SELECT JUDGES WHO TRY TO INTERPRET THE CONSTITUTION, 21:14:08 RATHER THAN INVENT IT, FROM MY VIEWS AS A LAWYER AND -- I DON'T 21:14:12 WANT TO SOUND PRESHUM CHEWOUS, I'M NOT A CONSTITUTIONAL LAWYER 21:14:16 BUT I HAVE ARGUED IN THE SUPREME COURT, AND I HAVE ARGUED IN MANY 21:14:21 OF THE CIRCUIT COURTS. SPENT MORE TIME IN COURTS THAN I 21:14:23 HAVE IN POLITICS. I THINK IT'S VERY IMPORTANT AND 21:14:29 FOR A JUDGE TO HAVE A PHILOSOPHICAL POLICY THAT SAIDLY 21:14:32 FIGURE OUT WHAT THE FRAMERS OF THE CONSTITUTION MEANT WHEN THEY 21:14:36 WROTE THIS OR WHAT THEY MEANT WHEN THEY PUT IT IN. 21:14:39 NOT WHAT I WOULD LIKE IT TO MEAN OR I FEEL IT MEANS. 21:14:41 HI THAT VIEW ABOUT THE CRIMINAL LAW. 21:14:43 I THOUGHT A LOT OF DECISIONS OF THE WARREN COURT WERE A MISTAKE. 21:14:47 I THAUS COLLUSIONARY RULE WAS A MISTAKE TOXT SOME EXTENT MIRANDA 21:14:50 WAS A MISTAKE. HERE'S WHAT THE COURT DID WITH 21:14:52 THOSE. A LOT OF PEOPLE THOUGHT WITH THE 21:14:56 BERGER -- >> Larry: LAWYERS LOVE MIRANDA. 21:14:58 MADE CASES MORE SOLID. >> MIRANDA IS OKAY, BUT WHEN 21:15:01 PEOPLE DON'T GIVE A MIRANDA WARNING QUICKLY ENOUGH WHEN 21:15:06 BLURTS OUT A CONFESSION, I STILL WANT TO PUT THAT MURDERER IN 21:15:10 JAIL. WHEN A COP MAKES A MISTAKE AND 21:15:12 FINDING A WEAPON OR DRUGS, I NEVER LIKED THE IDEA OF GIVING 21:15:15 IT BACK TO THE CRIMINAL. HERE'S WHAT THE COURT DID. 21:15:17 THE TWO COURTS THAT CAME AFTER -- TWO CONSERATIVE COURT 21:15:22 THAT'S CAME AFTER, BERGER AND REHNQUIST, PEOPLE THOUGHT THEY 21:15:25 WOULD OVERRULE MIRANDA. THEY DID NOT OVERRULE IT. 21:15:29 THEY LIMITED IT. AND LIMITED IT TO THE POINT 21:15:31 WHERE IT IS NOW QUITE RATIONAL. >> Larry: ARE YOU PRETTY SURE NO 21:15:35 MATTER WHAT YOU'RE PIPTED, ROE VS. WADE WOULD REMAIN? 21:15:38 >> NOBODY KNOW THAT'S. >> Larry: WOULD IT HURT YOU IF 21:15:41 IT WAS OVERTURNED? >> DON'T THINK IT WOULD HELP OR 21:15:43 HURT ME. >> Larry: WOULD YOU BE 21:15:46 INDIFFERENT TO IT? >> I WOULD NOT BE INDIFFERENT TO 21:15:49 IT. IT WOULD NOT BE LITMUS TEST I 21:15:51 WOULD APPOINT SOMEBODY. WOULD I APPOINT SOMEBODY WHO I 21:15:53 THOUGHT WOULD BE A GOOD JUDGE WHO WOULD DO THE BEST THEY COULD 21:15:56 DO INTERPRET THE CONSTITUTION. MAYBE NINE TIMES OUT OF TEN, I 21:15:59 WILL BE SATISFIED WITH THAT PINTMENT AND ONE OUT OF TEN 21:16:04 TIMES, I WOULD BE SITTING THERE LIKE USED TO DO WHEN I APPOINTED 21:16:07 LOTS OF PEOPLE AT MAYOR, HOW COULD THEY DO THAT? 21:16:10 I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND WHY THEY DID. 21:16:13 >> Larry: YOU'RE BASICALLY PRO THE GAY MOVEMENT. 21:16:14 GAYS HAVE EQUAL RIGHTS TO HETRO, INSURANCE BENEFITS AND ALL OF 21:16:19 THAT. >> GAYS SHOULD PROTECTED. 21:16:22 I SIGNED THE DOMESTIC PARTNERSHIP LAW IN NEW YORK. 21:16:25 THE WAY I DRIVE MY OPPONENTS, THEY SAY I'M IN FAVOR OF GAY 21:16:30 MARRIAGE. I DID 220 WEDDINGS, ALL BETWEEN 21:16:32 A MAN AND WOMAN. I HOPE THEY WERE ALL BETWEEN A 21:16:35 MAN AND WOMAN. IT LOOKED THAT WAY AT THE TIME. 21:16:38 BUT, YEAH, I BELIEVE MARRIAGE IS P SOMETHING THAT SHOULD BE 21:16:42 BETWEEN A MAN AND A WOMAN AND THE WAY TO HANDLE THIS AND THE 21:16:47 WAY TO HANDLE RESPECT AND EVERYTHING ELSE IS HAVE 21:16:49 SOMETHING LIKE DOMESTIC PARTNERSHIP, WHICH I SUPPORT. 21:16:51 >> Larry: WOULD YOU FAVOR CON TUSAL AMENDMENT FAVORING 21:16:55 MARRIAGE BETWEEN A MAN AND WOMAN? 21:16:57 >> NOT UNLESS IT REMAINS -- NOT IF IT REMAINS THE WAY IT IS NOW. 21:17:03 UNLESS A LOT OF OTHER STATES DO WHAT MASSACHUSETTS DOES, COME 21:17:06 OUT SANE, YOU CAN R CANNOT HAVE MARRIAGE BETWEEN MAN AND WOMAN. 21:17:10 IF IT CHANGES, MAYBE VERY WELL. >> Larry: ARE YOU IN FAVOR OF 21:17:14 GUN CONTROL? >> I DID. 21:17:15 BUT I ALSO UNDERSTAND THE SECOND AMENDMENT. 21:17:17 I UNDERSTAND THE RIGHT TO BEAR ARMS. 21:17:20 A LOT OF THESE THINGS HAVE TO BE RESOLVED ON A STATE-BY-STATE 21:17:23 BASIS. I USED TO SAY OFTEN WHEN I WAS 21:17:26 THE MAYOR, ONE THING FOR NEW YORK, AND SOMETHING DIFFERENT 21:17:29 FOR TEXAS. >> Larry: RUDY, WILL IT BE ROUGH 21:17:31 FOR YOU -- BY THE WAY, BIG PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE APRIL 4 IN 21:17:35 NEW HAMPSHIRE. DEMOCRATS ONE NIGHT. 21:17:37 REPUBLICANS THE NEXT. CNN IS COSPNSERRING IT WITH 21:17:41 WMMR. ARE YOU GOING TO COME? 21:17:42 >> I DIDN'T KNOW. >> Larry: I'M INVITING YOU ON 21:17:45 BEHALF OF CNN. >> LET ME TAKE A LOOK. 21:17:47 >> Larry: IF YOUR SCHEDULE IS OPEN, WILL YOU COME? 21:17:49 >> LET ME TAKE A LOOK. >> Larry: WILL IT BE HARD FOR 21:17:52 YOU? YOU'RE WAY AHEAD IN THE POLLS, 21:17:54 BY THE WAY. YOU COULD WIN THE ELECTION BUT 21:17:58 NOT THE NOMINATION BECAUSE YOU CANNOT WIN SOUTH CAROLINA. 21:18:00 YOU CANNOT WIN ALABAMA. WITH THE VIEWS YOU HAVE, VIA 21:18:05 ABORTION GAIN RIGHTS. >> YOU HEARD THE VIEWS THAT I 21:18:06 HAVE AND THERE ARE A LOT OF OTHER ISSUES YOU CAN COVER. 21:18:10 >> Larry: HOW TOUGH WILL BE IT FOR YOU IN THE SOUTH? 21:18:11 >> I HAVE BEEN IN SOUTH CAROLINA QUITE A BIT AND OTHER PARTS OF 21:18:14 THE SOUTH. SEEMS LIKE THEY ARE OPEN. 21:18:17 SEEKS LIKE PEOPLE ARE OPEN TO MAYBE APPROACHING THIS ELECTION 21:18:20 A LITTLE DIFFERENTLY FROM THE POINT -- BOTH ON THE REPUBLICAN 21:18:22 SIDE AND DEMOCRATIC SIDE. WE NEED LEADERSHIP. 21:18:25 I THINK THERE'S AN UNDERSTANDING THAT YOU CANNOT -- YOU CAN NEVER 21:18:28 FIND A CANDIDATE YOU AGREE WITH 100% OF THE TIME. 21:18:31 I DON'T AGREE WITH MYSELF 100% OF A TIME. 21:18:33 HOW ARE YOU GOING TO FIND A CANDIDATE AWE GRE WITH -- 21:18:36 >> Larry: YOU THINK THEY WILL VOTE FOR YOU? 21:18:38 >> I THINK THEY WILL ON THE BASIS OF LEADERSHIP. 21:18:42 I THINK THEY WILL ON THE BASIS WE NEED SOMEBODY WHO CAN 21:18:46 ULTIMATELY HAND THL COUNTRY AT A TIME OF WAR AND AT A TIME WE 21:18:49 HAVE TOUGH THINGS TO FACE WE HAVE NOT BEEN FACING FOR A 21:18:51 WHILE. >> Larry: A COUPLE OTHER QUICK 21:18:54 THINGS, YOUR ROLGS RELATIONSHIP WITH BERNIE CAREY, POTENTIAL 21:18:57 CAMPAIGN PROBLEM? >> YOU MEAN HIS -- RECOMMENDING 21:19:00 HIM? IT WAS A MISTAKE. 21:19:01 I MADE A MISTAKE. >> Larry: YOU THINK IT WILL HURT 21:19:03 YOU? YOU THINK AN OPPONENT WILL BRING 21:19:07 IT UP? WHY AM I BRINGING IT UP! 21:19:09 >> YES, I THINK THE ANSWER IS, I MADE A MISTAKE AND TYKE 21:19:13 RESPONSIBILITY FOR IT. >> Larry: YOUR DIVORCE AND 21:19:15 PERSONAL LIFE. >> THEY WILL BRING ALL OF THAT 21:19:17 UP AND PROBABLY BRING UP THING THAT'S ARE NOT EVEN TRUE. 21:19:20 AND THEY WILL BRING UP THINGS THAT ARE TRUE. 21:19:22 THE WAY I DEAL WITH THAT, I'M A HUMAN BEING. 21:19:24 I MADE MISTAKES. I'M NOT PERFECT. 21:19:28 I KEEP TRYING TO LEARN FROM THEM. 21:19:30 SOMETIMES I DO, SOMETIMES I DON'T. 21:19:32 I KEEP WORKING ON THAT AND TRYING TO LEARN. 21:19:34 I'M A HUMAN BEING. MUCH LIKE I THINK, EVERYBODY 21:19:37 ELSE, THEY MAY BE A PERFECT CANDIDATE IN THIS RACE. 21:19:39 I DON'T KNOW WHICH ONE THAT IS. I WOULD NOT WANT TO BE THE ONE 21:19:41 THAT IS THE PERFECT CANDIDATE. >> Larry: LAST TIME WE HAD A 21:19:44 PRESIDENTIAL RACE, I REMEMBER YOU LIKED JOHN McCAIN. 21:19:45 AND HE WAS A FRIEND OF YOURS. >> WE STILL ARE FRIENDS. 21:19:48 I LIKE JOHN McCAIN VERY MUCH. I HAVE A SINCERE ADMIRATION FOR 21:19:54 JOHN McCAIN. WE WILL BOTH BATTLE IT OUT FOR 21:19:57 THE REPUBLICAN NOMINATION. BURT IT'S NOT GOING TO IN ONE -- 21:20:01 ONE IOTA REMOVE THE KIND OF RESPECT I HAVE FOR JOHN. 21:20:05 I THINK JOHN IS A GREAT AMERICAN. 21:20:07 AND ONED THAT, HE'S A GREAT PERSON. 21:20:08 HE'S SOMEBODY I KNOW. I REALLY LIKE HIM VERY MUCH. 21:20:11 I LIKE MITT ROMNEY. I CAMPAIGNED FOR MITT ROMNEY. 21:20:14 THE NIGHT BEFORE HE GOT ELECTED GOVERNOR, I WAS GOING -- THE 21:20:17 LAST CAMPAIGN I MET WITH HIM AND WE WERE IN THE SOUTH SIDE OF 21:20:20 BOSTON. WE HAD DINNER IN A GREAT ITALIAN 21:20:23 RESTAURANT, AND TOLD GREAT STORIES. 21:20:26 >> Larry: DO YOU THINK THIS WILL BE HELD AGAINST HIM? 21:20:28 >> OF COURSE NOT. ABSOLUTELY NOT. 21:20:30 ANY MORE THAN CATHOLICISM SHOULD BE -- 21:20:32 >> HELD AGAINST YOU. >> Larry: AGAINST YOU? 21:20:39 >> BEING FROM KENNEDY, SHOULD BE HELD AGAINST HIM. 21:20:47 >> Larry: I WANT TO RUN FROM BOSTON. 21:20:49 WOULD YOU LIKE TO RUN AGAINST HILLARY? 21:20:50 >> I WOULD LIKE TO RUN AGAINST ANYBODY THE DEMOCRATS NOMINATE. 21:20:54 IF IT'S HILLARY, GOD BLESS HER. OBAMA, OR EDWARDS. 21:21:02 I HOPE I DIDN'T LEAVE EVERYBODY OUT. 21:21:05 >> Larry: THANK YOU, RUDY. HOPE TO SEE YOU ON THE 24th. 21:21:09 CHECK. ALWAYS PUSHING. 21:21:11 SENATOR JOHN EDWARDS SCHEDULED TO BE HERE. 21:21:13 LOOKING AT THE DOOR, HE AIN'T HERE YET. 21:21:14 A LOT OF TRAFFIC IN LOS ANGELES. A PANEL OF OUTSTANDING PUNDITS 21:21:17 AND HE'S LATE. IT'S ALL THE NEXT. 21:21:19 DON'T GO AWAY. >> MAYOR RUDY -- 21:21:25 >> I GUESS I AM. SURE, I'M RUNNING. 21:21:31 >> I DECLARE MY INTENTION TO RUN FOR PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED 21:21:34 STATES. >> I AM TAKING THE FIRST STEP ON 21:21:38 THE YELLOW BRICK ROAD TO THE WHITE HOUSE. 21:21:40 >> PREPARING TO RUN FOR PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES. 21:21:44 IN 2008. >> I THINK I'M IN THE BEST 21:21:49 POSITION. INTRODUCING THE ALL 21:21:57 NEW CHEVY LVERADO. UCKS WITH UPO 21:22:00 367 HORSEPOWER... AND 10,500 POUNDS 21:22:02 TOWG CAPACITY. TRUCKS WITH REAR DOORS THAT 21:22:06 C OPEN 170 DEEES. , ALL BACKED BY THE BEST 21:22:11 COVERAGE IN AMERICA. THAT'S WHY IT'S THE... 21:22:19 THE ALL NEW CHEVSILVERADO. >> Larry: AGAIN, AS WE SAID, 21:24:37 SENATOR EDWARDS STUCK SOMEWHERE. A LOT OF TRAFFIC TONIGHT ON THIS 21:24:41 VALENTINE'S NIGHT IN LOS ANGELES. 21:24:42 LET'S MEET OUR PANEL, MICHAEL, INVESTIGATIVE COMPETENT FOR 21:24:46 "NEWSWEEK." BEST-SELLING AUTHOR OF "HUBRIS," 21:24:48 INSIDE STORY OF SPIN, SCANDAL AND SELLING OF THE IRAQ WAR." 21:24:51 IN BOSTON, DAVID GERGEN, WHO SERVED AS A WHITE HOUSE ADVISE 21:24:54 TORE NIXON, FORD, REAGAN AND CLINTON. 21:24:58 EDITOR OF "U.S. WORLD NEWS" AND PROFESSOR AT HARVARD'S SCHOOL OF 21:25:02 GOVERNMENT. HERE IN L.A., ARIANA HUFFINGTON, 21:25:05 FOUNDER AND EDITOR OF HUFFINGTONPOST.COM. 21:25:10 HER WORK -- BECOMING FEARLESS IN LOVE, WORK AND LIFE. 21:25:14 AND AMY HOME, SPEECHWRITER FOUR THE GOP -- AND SPEECH MEMORY FOR 21:25:19 SENATOR MAJORITY LEADER BILL FRIST. 21:25:20 AND GOP STRATEGIST AS WELL. MICHAEL IZ ACOUGH, WHAT DO YOU 21:25:26 MAKE OF GIULIANI, IN THE UNUSUAL POSITION AHEAD IN THE POLLS BUT 21:25:31 MAYBE BEHIND IN THE REPUBLICAN PRIMARY POLLS? 21:25:32 >> I THINK YOU CAN SEE FROM THE INTERVIEW, WHY HE'S AHEAD OF THE 21:25:36 POLLS. HE'S CLEARLY ENGAGING AND 21:25:39 WINNING PERSONALITY. CAME ACROSS AS QUITE FRANK, 21:25:44 QUITE OPEN. WILLING TO ADMIT MISTAKES. 21:25:48 HE HAS A LONG WAY TO GO. HE'S GOT -- THERE'S NO GETTING 21:25:53 AROUND THE FACT THAT HE WILL BE RUNNING IN PRIMARIES WHERE 21:25:56 SOCIAL CONSERVATIVES PREDOMINANT AND HIS VIEWS ARE NOT COMPATIBLE 21:25:59 WITH THOSE. AND BEYOND THAT, I THINK I THINK 21:26:03 LIKE EVERY OTHER CANDIDATE, IRAQ WILL LOOM LARGE FOR HIM AS IT 21:26:06 WILL FOR EVERYBODY ELSE. AND RIGHT NOW HE'S SUPPORTING 21:26:10 THE SURGE. HE'S SUPPORTING THE PRESIDENT. 21:26:12 BUT THE BIG QUESTION THAT EVERY REPUBLICAN CANDIDATE IS GOING TO 21:26:15 FACE IS, SIX MONTHS DOWN THE ROAD FROM NOW, IF THINGS DON'T 21:26:20 START TO TURN AROUND, IF THERE ISN'T SOME MEASURABLE PROGRESS, 21:26:24 ARE THEY GOING TO STAY COMMITTED TO A COURSE THAT DOES NOT LOOK 21:26:28 LIKE IT'S GOING ANYWHERE? >> Larry: ARIANA? 21:26:31 >> YOU KNOW, I FIND IT AMAZING THE WAY HE'S DECIDED TO 21:26:34 COMPLETELY SUPPORT THE PRESIDENT. 21:26:36 ALL THE WAY DOWN, COMPARING THEIR POLICIES TO LINCOLN'S AND 21:26:40 ROOSEVELT'S WHEN YOU TRY TO PRESS HIM. 21:26:43 WHAT I THINK HIS CALCULATION IS, PERHAPS, GIVEN HE'S PRO-CHOICE 21:26:47 AND PRO GUN CONTROL, PROBABLY DECIDED THAT HE HAD TO BE -- TO 21:26:52 OUT McCAIN ON THE SURGE. TO BE IN FAVOR OF EVERY 21:26:57 ESCALATION, IN ORDER SOMEHOW TO IMPROVE HIS CREDENTIALS. 21:27:01 >> Larry: ARE YOU SAYING IT'S ALL CALCULATEED? 21:27:04 >> IT DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE. HE SHOULD KNOW BETTER THAN THAT. 21:27:06 ON TOP OF IT, IT'S THE WRONG CALCULATION. 21:27:09 YOU CAN NEVER OUT McCAIN/McCAIN. 21:27:13 HE OWNS THAT SPACE OF ESCALATING THE WAR. 21:27:15 ON TOP OF IT HE SPENT FIVE YEARS AT HANOI WHILE JEWEL ONNY GOT A 21:27:21 DEFERMENT BECAUSE SOME JUDGE THOUGHT HE WAS A VERY GOOD LAW 21:27:24 CLERK. IT DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE. 21:27:26 >> Larry: DAVID GERGEN, WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT THE GIULIANI 21:27:29 CANDIDACY? >> WELL, I THINK THAT'S REALLY 21:27:33 INTERESTING, LARRY, IS THE PUNDITS, COMMENT TAROT, IF YOU 21:27:37 WOULD LIKE TO CALL IT THAT, HAS DISCOUNTED -- AND I HAVE BECOME 21:27:41 AMONG THOSE THAT DISCOUNTED A GIULIANI CANDIDACY FOR SOME 21:27:47 TIME. WE SAID, HE LOOK AS TRACTIVE ON 21:27:49 THE SURFACE BUT PEOPLE WILL MOVE AWAY FROM HIM IN THE REPUBLICAN 21:27:52 PARTY. BUT SOMETHING IPING HAPPENED THE 21:27:54 LAST 30 DAYS. A MOG ATHE "USA TODAY" GALLOP 21:27:59 POLL HAD GIULIANI AND McCAIN NECK AND NECK. 21:28:02 GIULIANI AHEAD BY AROUND FOUR POINTS. 21:28:06 THE RECENT POLL HAS GIULIANI AHEAD OF JOHN McCAIN FOR THE 21:28:10 REPUBLICAN NOMINATION BY 16 POINTS. 21:28:12 16 POINTS. HE'S OPENED UP A HUGE LEAD. 21:28:14 I THOUGHT -- I MUST SAY, MY GOOD FRIEND AR ANIA, I DISAGREE IN 21:28:21 PART WHAT'S GOING ON. I THINK HE'S TAKING THESE STAND 21:28:25 BECAUSE IT'S WHAT HE BELIEVES IN. 21:28:26 I THINK HE'S TAKING THE STAND LIKE BARACK OBAMA, WHO IS ON THE 21:28:30 DEMOCRATIC SIDE, HE'S APPEALING BECAUSE THESE AUTHENTIC. 21:28:33 HE IS WHO HE IS WHO HE IS. AND IT'S NOT AT ALL CALCULATED. 21:28:36 >> Larry: LET ME GET BREAK. WE WILL PICK UP WITH AMY HOLMES' 21:28:40 THOUGHTS AND GET INTO A LOT MORE ABOUT POLITICS 2007/2008. 21:28:46 DON'T GO AWAY. >> I AM IN. 21:28:49 I AM IN TO WIN. >> MY CANDIDACY FOR PRESIDENT OF 21:28:53 THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA! >> THE SINGLE BIGGEST 21:29:03 RESPONSIBILITY OF THE NEXT PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES 21:29:05 IS TO RESTORE AMERICA'S LEADERSHIP IN THE WORLD. 21:29:07 >> I STILL PLAN ON RUNNING. I HAVE NOT, QUITE FRANKLY, NOT 21:29:12 THROUGH ALL OF THE MECHANICS OF IT AT THIS POINT. 21:29:13 >> TODAY I FILED THE PAPER WORK CREATING A PRESIDENTIAL 21:29:18 EXPLORATORY COMMITTEE. >> I'M ANNOUNCING MY CANDIDACY 21:29:20 FOR PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES. 21:29:25 I TR OSI I 21:29:31 E S 21:29:33 MENOUSAL OEOSI OSAXISD HACRE 21:29:43 OF BOTTHP SPINE WOM WITH TEOSIS . 21:29:48 NGHI MPNT TO 21:29:52 ER E, NOAB TAN ITIG F 3NU 21:29:54 DN DSE, LOUM 21:29:57 ER E, NOAB TAN L 21:30:06 TINX LL 21:30:09 RI IU VEP ORORNGRN TINX FFNF WI 21:30:13 LL OFER UER STLE 21:30:16 ENI HEAR E O TPROTEC BON 21:32:09 >> Larry: LET'S BRING OUR BUDDY AMY HOLMS INTO THE NEXT. 21:32:12 WHAT HAPPENED, AS DAVID GERGEN POINTS OUT, WHAT HAPPENED TO 21:32:15 McCAIN? >> WELL, HE'S BEEN OVERSHADOWED 21:32:18 BY THIS BIG GIULIANI ANNOUNCEMENT. 21:32:20 I THINK IN THE INTERVIEW WE SAW TONIGHT, GIULIANI PROVES WHY 21:32:24 HE'S SUCH A FORMIDABLE OPPONENT. HE'S CHARISMATIC AND CANDID AND 21:32:27 COMFORTABLE IN HIS OWN SKIN. WITH McCAIN A. AMONG 21:32:30 CONSERVATIVES, THERE'S A LOT OF EXCEPTISM. 21:32:33 REMEMBER, HE WAS FOR CAMPAIGN FINANCE REFORM AND THAT WASN'T 21:32:36 SO GREAT FOR THE RELIGIOUS CONSERVATIVE GROUPS AND RISE OF 21:32:38 THE A527s ON THE LEFT WAS AN UNHAPPY DEVELOPMENT. 21:32:44 McCAIN, THERE'S ILL WILL. SOME POLLS SHOW GIULIANI AHEAD 21:32:49 IN ALABAMA AND GEORGIA. AND WHEN HE WAS MAYOR OF NEW 21:32:52 YORK, HE WAS A HERO TO CONSERVATIVES WITH CONSERVATIVE 21:32:55 REFORMS IN NEW YORK AS MAYOR. I THINK HE'S AN EXCITING 21:32:57 CANDIDATE AND HE WILL BRING A LOT OF SIZZLE TO THIS ELECTION. 21:33:01 >> Larry: MICHAEL, WHAT ABOUT MITT ROMNEY, MORMON FROM SALT 21:33:03 LAKEHO W BECOMES GOVERNOR AND CATHOLIC MASSACHUSETTS. 21:33:06 ISN'T THAT FORMIDABLE? >> YEAH. 21:33:10 I MEAN, LOOK, I'M LIKE A LOT OF OTHER PEOPLE, DON'T KNOW ALL 21:33:13 THAT MUCH ABOUT MITT ROMNEY. I THINK HE'S POSITIONED TO BE 21:33:17 THE CON VEPGSAL CONSERVATIVE CANDIDATE IN THIS ELECTION. 21:33:23 AND PROBABLY WELL POSITIONED TO DO THAT. 21:33:26 BUT I JUST WANT -- WE CANNOT GET AROUND -- NOT TO ECHO MYSELF, 21:33:31 BUT IRAQ IS THE STUMBLING BLOCK FOR ALL OF THESE GUYS. 21:33:35 AND THEY HAVE GOT TO DEAL WITH IT. 21:33:39 AND THEY ARE ALL AT THE MOMENT SUPPORTING A WAR THE AMERICAN 21:33:41 PUBLIC DOES NOT SUPPORT. AND THE LONGER THEY DO SO, THE 21:33:48 LONGER THEY ARE GOING TO HAVE PROBLEMS, IF ANY OF THEM -- 21:33:51 WHOEVER GETS THE NOMINATION, WILL HAVE THAT PROBLEM IN A IN 21:33:57 JARM ELECTION. >> Larry: DID THAT MEAN, ARIANA, 21:34:00 IRAQ WILL BE THE LOSS FOR REPUBLICANS? 21:34:01 IRAQ WOULD BE THE SFLN. >> ABSOLUTELY. 21:34:03 I COMPLETELY AGREE WITH MIKE. TO HEAR GIULIANI RESPOND TO YOU, 21:34:07 LARRY, BY SAYING THE IRAQ IS A LITTLE BIT LIKE NEW YORK AND 21:34:11 FIGHTING THE WAR IN IRAQ IS LIKE FIGHTING CRIME IN THE STREETS OF 21:34:14 NEW YORK, IT IS SO LAUGHABLE. I CANNOT IMAGINE HOW ANYBODY CAN 21:34:17 TAKE IT SERIOUSLY AS A POSITION ON THE WAR. 21:34:21 TO IGNORE THE FACT THERE IS A CIVIL WAR GOING ON THERE IS 21:34:25 REALLY TO SHOW ABSOLUTELY NO UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT IS 21:34:28 HAPPENING AND TRY TO TREAT IT LIKE A CRIME PROBLEM. 21:34:32 SO, THEREFORE, IT'S REALLY EXACTLY WHAT MIKE SAID. 21:34:35 IT THIS WILL REMAIN A HUGE VULNERABILITY BOTH IN THE 21:34:39 PRIMARY, BECAUSE YOU HAVE SOMEONE AGAINST THE ESCALATION 21:34:44 AND 100% RATING BY THE CONSERVATIVE UNION. 21:34:47 HE HAS THE YOUNG APPROACH. HE WILL ACTUALLY PROVE QUITE 21:34:52 FORMIDABLE IF THE WAR IN IRAQ CONTINUES. 21:34:54 >> Larry: DAVID GERGEN, IS IRAQ GOING TO BE THE WIN AND THE LOSS 21:34:58 OF THIS ELECTION? >> I THINK ARIANA IS RIGHT THAT 21:35:04 IT COULD AFFECT THE ELECTIONS IN NOVEMBER 2008. 21:35:07 AT THIS POINT GIULIANI IS NOT FOCUSING ON 2008. 21:35:10 HE NEEDS TO WIN THE NOMINATION. IN THAT SENSE HE'S IN THE SAME 21:35:13 BOAT -- THE THREE FRONT RUNGSERS, AS ARIANA JUST POINTED 21:35:19 OUT FROM THE REPUBLICAN SIDE ARE ALL FOR THE SURGE. 21:35:21 IT'S NOT THE WORE THAT WILL DEFINE WHO WINS THE NOMINATION 21:35:24 SO MUCH. I THINK IT WILL -- ONCE YOU GET 21:35:26 THE NOMINATION, YOU HAVE A WHOLE NEW BALLGAME. 21:35:30 THEN THE WAR DOES WEIGH HEAVILY AGAINST REPUBLICANS. 21:35:33 YOU COULD EASILY SEE AN ELECTION IN 2008, LARRY, WHOEVER THE 21:35:37 REPUBLICAN NOMINEE IS WILL GET SWAMPED BY THE WAR AND 21:35:40 REPUBLICANS COULD LOSE A LOT OF GROUND IN THE HOUSE AND SENATE 21:35:42 AND YOU COULD HAVE A DEMOCRAT COMING IN WITH A BIG, BIG 21:35:46 MARGIN. BUT WE ARE STILL TWO YEARS AWAY. 21:35:49 LONG WAYS AWAY. RUDY GIULIANI IS RIGHT, THE WAR 21:35:51 POSITION WILL NOT DEFINE HIM NOW. 21:35:54 CAN HE WIN OVER THE E CONSERVATIVES AND WIN OVER THEIR 21:35:58 SUPPORT TO MAKE IT THROUGH THE PRIMARIES? 21:36:00 >> Larry: AMY, IS YOUR PARTY IN BIG TROUBLE? 21:36:01 >> I THINK 2008 IS WIDE OPEN AND THE WAR QUESTION IS A 21:36:05 COMPLICATED QUESTION FOR THE DEMOCRATIC SITD AS WELL. 21:36:07 WE ARE SEEING THAT PLAYED OUT WITH BARACK OBAMA AND HILLARY 21:36:09 CLINTON. BARACK BEING STAUNCHLY ANTI-WAR 21:36:12 AND BEING A FAVORITE OF THE BASE OF HIS PARTY AND HILLARY CLINTON 21:36:15 BEING ASKED OVER AND OVER AND OVER ABOUT HER VOTE IN THE 21:36:19 SENATE TO GIVE THE PRESIDENT AUTHORIZATION TO GO TO WAR. 21:36:22 I THINK GIULIANI PROMOTING THE SURGE IS SHOWING HIS LOYALTY AND 21:36:28 SUPPORT OF THE PRESIDENT AS COMMANDER IN CHIEF. 21:36:30 THE SURGE WILL PLAY OUT AND SIX MONTHS FROM NOW, EIGHT MONTHS 21:36:33 FROM NOW, GIULIANI, CAN MAKE A POLICY DEPENDING ON HOW THAT 21:36:39 SURGE WORKED. I DON'T THINK HIS POSITION TODAY 21:36:41 ON THE SURGE WILL DETERMINE HIS OUTCOME IN 2008. 21:36:44 >> Larry: WE WILL TAKE A BREAK AND COME BACK AND TALK ABOUT THE 21:36:47 DEMOCRATS. AND WE WILL ALSO INCLUDE YOUR 21:36:48 PHONE CALLS ON THIS EDITION OF "LARRY KING LIVE." 21:36:52 DON'T GO AWAY. T. 21:38:43 G CALLS FROM SPRIN 21:38:45 SAVES US ENOUGH MONE TO COV OTHER COSTS. 21:38:47 - LIKE? - LI YOUR NEPHEW. 21:38:56 TH. SPRINT H 21:38:58 FREENCOMING PLANS. CARRIE DON. OTR NS 21:39:02 NOW BUONE NYO 7000 ANGET FOUR FRE 21:39:04 VISIsprint.com/bines >> Larry: FOUR OF THE BEST OF 21:39:48 THE BUSINESS, MICHAEL ISIKOFF, ARIANA HUFFINGTON, AMY HOLMES. 21:39:54 MR. ISIKOFF, GIVE ME YOUR VIEW OF THE DEMOCRATIC PICTURE. 21:39:57 >> WELL, HILLARY CLINTON IS THE FRONT RUNNER. 21:39:59 BUT, OBVIOUSLY, SHE HAS AN IRAQ PROBLEM OF HER OWN. 21:40:02 IT'S THE QUESTION SHE'S GETTING ASKED ABOUT THE MOST EVERY TIME 21:40:08 SHE GOES AND SPEAK. SHE HAS YET TO BE ABLE TO GO AND 21:40:12 GIVE AS DIRECT AN ANSWER AS JOHN ETD WARDS HAS, STARTING WITH THE 21:40:16 WORDS, "I MADE A MISTAKE." THAT'S A CONSTITUTIONALLY VERY 21:40:21 DIFFICULT THING F. NOT IMPOSSIBLE THING, FOR HILLARY 21:40:23 CLINTON TO SAY. I THINK PEOPLE ARE TRYING TO 21:40:25 PUSH HER INTO SAYING THAT. THE INTERESTING DYNAMIC IS TO 21:40:30 WATCH AS THAT PLAYS OUT -- WILL SHE FINALLY BE ABLE TO BRING 21:40:34 HERSELF TO UTTER WORDS THAT ARE CLEARLY UNCOMFORTABLE FOR HER? 21:40:38 >> Larry: WHY IS THAT SO URGENT, ARIANNA? 21:40:45 WHY CAN'T SHE SAY I VOTED FOR HER BECAUSE OF INFORMATION I WAS 21:40:47 GIVEN AND BECAUSE OF THAT INFORMATION, I HAD WRONG 21:40:49 INFORMATION, AND THAT'S WHY VOIGHTED. 21:40:52 MY MISTAKE -- >> NOT TO BE ABLE TO SAY I MADE 21:40:55 A MISTAKE IS SUCH A FUNDAMENTAL PROBLEM ABOUT HER AND HER 21:40:59 CAMPAIGN. MARK PENN TRIED TO EXPLAIN BY 21:41:02 SAYING IT'S IMPORTANT FOR HER TO KEEP SAYING IT'S THE PRESIDENT'S 21:41:06 MISTAKE. EVERYBODY KNOWS IT'S THE 21:41:07 PRESIDENT'S MISTAKE BUT IT'S ALSO THE MISTAKE OF THOSE 21:41:09 DEMOCRATS WHO VOTES FOR THE WAR, DESPITE ALL OF THE INFORMATION 21:41:12 THEY HAD AVAILABLE TO THEM. AFTER ALL 21 SENATOR DID NOT 21:41:18 VOTE, DEMOCRATIC SENATORS, TO AUTHORIZE THE WAR. 21:41:21 CLEARLY THEY HAD BETTER JUDGMENT THAN WHAT HE WE KNOW NOW. 21:41:24 ONE OF THEM PAUL, RUNNING FOR ALSO, HAD THE GUTS TO VOTE 21:41:31 AGAINST THE ORGANIZATION. >> Larry: DAVID GERGEN, SHE SAID 21:41:34 SHE WASN'T VOTING FOR THE WAR. SHE WAS -- SHE WASN'T VOTING 21:41:37 DIRECTLY TO GO TO WAR. >> WELL, LISTEN, LET'S GIVE 21:41:44 CREDIT TO MRS. CLINTON IN ONE SENSE. 21:41:46 A MONTH AGO IN THAT SAME "USA TODAY" GALLOP POLL SHE WAS AHEAD 21:41:49 OF BARACK OBAMA BY ABOUT 11 POINTS AND NOW SHE OPENED UP A 21:41:54 LEAD OF 19 POINTS. SHE'S DOING SOMETHING RIGHT AND 21:41:56 ONE HAS TO RECOGNIZE THAT UP FRONT. 21:41:58 I DO BELIEVE THAT THE WAY SHE'S ANSWERING THESE IRAQ QUESTIONS 21:42:00 WILL COME BACK TO HAUNT HER WITH THE VOTERS. 21:42:03 WHEN SHE VOTED FOR THE RESOLUTION ON IRAQ, IT WAS 21:42:06 PERFECTLY OBVIOUS TO EVERYBODY, WE ARE ABOUT TO GO TO WAR AND 21:42:10 THIS IS A VOTE TO AUTHORIZE. WHEN YOU START PARSING THAT TOO 21:42:13 MUCH OR QUALIFYING IT TOO MUCH, BEING TOO CUTE WITH IT, I THINK 21:42:16 YOU LOOK LIKE YOU'RE TRYING TO -- YOU'RE IN EFFECT NOT 21:42:20 CLINIC. I THINK WHAT WILL WORK THIS YEAR 21:42:24 AS PETER HART AND OTHERS REMIND US, AUTHENTICITY MATTERS. 21:42:27 I THINK SHE WILL BE BETTER, AS ARIANA SAID, COME RIGHT OUT 21:42:33 SANE, SHE MAD A MISTAKE. LOOK AT THE WAY RUDY GIULIANI 21:42:36 HANDLED THAT. LOOK, WE ALL MAKE MISTAKES. 21:42:38 LEARN FROM THAT AND MOVE ON. SNEADS TO MOVE ON FROM IT. 21:42:41 I THINK TO PLAY GAMES WITH WORDS ON THIS IS A MISTAKE FOR HER IN 21:42:44 THE LONG RUN. IT WILL COME BACK TO HAUPT HER. 21:42:47 >> Larry: AMY HOLMES, BUT MIGHT SHE STILL HAVE THE NOMINATION? 21:42:51 >> SHE MAY. SHE HAS A VERY FORMIDABLE 21:42:53 MACHINE THAT IS ROLLING UP SUPPORT. 21:42:56 SHE HAS TERRY McCALL AS HER CAMPAIGN MANAGER. 21:43:00 THE CLINTONS HAVE BEEN KNOWN AS PRETTY SMOOTH OPERATORS. 21:43:04 BILL CLINTON WON THE ELECTION TWICE. 21:43:05 PART OF THE PROBLEM, THOUGH, SHE ALSO HAS A LONG RECORD OF GIVING 21:43:08 VERY FIERY SPEECHES ABOUT THE THREAT THAT SADDAM POSED AND HER 21:43:12 HUSBAND, FORMER PRESIDENT. HE HIMSELF SAID THAT SADDAM 21:43:15 HUSSEIN WAS PURSUING WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION. 21:43:18 THESE A REAL CONUNDRUM FOR HILLARY CLINTON CONTINUE WILL BE 21:43:22 HARD FOR HER TO RIGHT THAT SQUARE. 21:43:24 >> Larry: MR. ISIKOFF, CAN BARACK OBAMA CLOSE R CLOSE THE 21:43:27 GAP? >> SURE HE CAN. 21:43:29 SHE'S UNTESTED BUT HE'S CLEARLY CREATED A LOT OF EXCITEMENT OUT 21:43:34 THERE. ACTUALLY, THE MOST INTERESTING 21:43:36 DYNAMIC AT THE MOMENT IS EDWARDS. 21:43:39 TOO BAD HE ISN'T HERE YET BUT THE WAY HE'S BEEN ANSWERING, 21:43:42 AFTER SAYING, "I MADE A MISTAKE," WHEN HE'S ASKED TO 21:43:46 EXPLAIN HOW HE CAME TO THAT MISTAKE, HE HAS SAID, WELL, I 21:43:49 WAS LISTENING TO FORMER CLINTON ADMINISTRATION OFFICIALS, 21:43:55 ADVISING ME THAT I SHOULD VOTE FOR THE WAR. 21:43:57 AND THAT'S TRUE. ALMOST ALL OF THE TOP NATIONAL 21:44:00 SECURITY ADVISORS TO PRESIDENT CLINTON WERE SUPPORTIVE OF THE 21:44:05 WAR RESOLUTION. AND THAT'S A BIG REASON WHY 21:44:07 HILLARY CLINTON WAS VOTING FOR IT AS WELL. 21:44:12 SO IT'S IN VERY SUBTLE WAYS, JOHN EDWARDS IS SORT OF TAKING A 21:44:16 SHOT AT THE FORMER CLINTON ADMINISTRATION. 21:44:18 I THINK HILLARY CLINTON IS A LITTLE RELUCTANT TO EMBRACE THAT 21:44:22 FOR OBVIOUS REASONS. >> AND ALSO, IF YOU LOOK AT THE 21:44:28 WAY THE WAR IS GOING TO PLAY IN THE PRIMARY, OBVIOUSLY OBAMA IS 21:44:33 IN THE STRONGEST POSITION. HE'S CONSISTENTLY AGAINST THE 21:44:36 WAR. HIS SPEECH THAT HE GAVE IN 2002 21:44:38 AGAINST THE WAR IS A VERY POWERFUL SPEECH IN WHICH HE SAYS 21:44:42 CLEARLY, "I'M NOT AGAINST ALL WARS. 21:44:44 I'M AGAINST DUMB WARS. AND IRAQ IS A DUMB WAR." 21:44:48 HE CAULKED VERY PRESENTLY ABOUT WHAT WILL HAPPEN, HOW IMPOSSIBLE 21:44:51 IT WAS FOR US TO PREDICT WHAT WOULD HAPPEN ONCE WE INVADED. 21:44:54 IN THAT SENSE HE DOESN'T HAVE TO DO THE KIND OF EXPLAINING THAT 21:44:57 EVEN JOHN EDWARDS HAS TO DO, AS HE HAD TO DO ON "MEET THE 21:45:03 PRESS." TEN TO 15 MINUTES OF TIM RUSSERT 21:45:05 PUTTING UP ON THE SCREEN PREVIOUS STATEMENTS SUPPORTING 21:45:07 THE WAR AND HIM HAVING TO ANSWER THEM. 21:45:09 OBAMA CAN JUMP OVER ALL OF THAT AND CAN COME DIRECTLY TO WHERE 21:45:14 WE ARE TODAY. >> Larry: DOES THE AMERICAN 21:45:15 PUBLIC WANT TO PULL OUT? >> ABSOLUTELY. 21:45:17 THE MAJORITY OF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE WANT TO PULL OUT IN A 21:45:19 RESPONSIBLE WAY. NOT IRRESPONSIBLY WANTS TO PULL 21:45:22 OUT OVERNIGHT. OF COURSE, JOHN EDWARDS HAS 21:45:28 PROPOSED FUNDING AND MAKING IT CLEAR THERE WILL BE NO MILITARY 21:45:30 BASES IN IRAQ. HE'S TAKEN A REAL LEADERSHIP 21:45:33 ROLE THERE. >> Larry: HOLD ON ONE SECOND, 21:45:35 AMY. IT APPEARS SENATOR EDWARDS MAY 21:45:37 NOT BE ABLE TO MAKE IT IN THIS TRAFFIC. 21:45:41 WE SHALL FORGE FORTH. LET'S CHECK IN WITH JOHN 21:45:45 ROBERTS. HE WILL BE HOSTING FOR "ANDERSON 21:45:47 COOPER 360" AT THE TOP OF THE HOUR. 21:45:48 >> SORRY TO HEAR ABOUT JOHN EDWARD NOT MAKING IT. 21:45:51 WE HAVE A LOT TO TALK ABOUT. WEATHER AND ANNA NICOLE SMITH 21:45:54 STORY. AND A LOT OF TALK ABOUT IRAQ AND 21:45:56 TIES TO IRAN. TOE WE KNOW WHAT LED UP TO A 21:45:58 BRIEFING IN BAGHDAD THAT RATCHETED UP THE CASE FOR A RAR 21:46:01 WITH IRAN. EVERYONE FROM THE PRESIDENT ON 21:46:03 DOWN HAS BEEN BACKING AWAY OR ROW STATING WHAT WAS SAID AT 21:46:08 THAT BRIEFING. TODAY WE LEARNED HOW IT CAME TO 21:46:10 HAPPEN AND ONE BRIEFER WASN'T LITTLE TOO FAR BEYOND WHAT HIS 21:46:14 BOSSES WANTED HIM TO SAY. WE WILL LAY THAT OUT FOR YOU 21:46:17 TONIGHT. " 21:46:20 " "360" AT THE TOP OF THE HOUR. 21:46:22 >> Larry: THAT'S "ANDERSON COOPER 360" AT THE TOP OF THE 21:46:26 HOUR. WE WILL BE RIGHT BACK RIGHT 21:46:27 AFTER THIS. >> I WOULD NOT HAVE STARTED THIS 21:46:29 WAR. AND IF IT'S NOT ENDED BY 2009, 21:46:33 IF I'M PRESIDENT, I WILL END IT. >> THE WAR WAS A TERRIBLE 21:46:39 MISTAKE. IT SHOULD NOT HAVE BEEN 21:46:40 AUTHORIZED. >> THE INCREDIBLE INCOMPETENCE 21:46:42 WITH WHAT HAPPENED IN IRAQ. >> ALL OF THE KING'S HORSES, ALL 21:46:46 OF THE KING'S MEN, CANNOT HOLD IRAQ TOGETHER. 21:46:48 >> OUR SOLDERS MUST STAND FOR US IN THE FIELD. 21:46:50 WE MUST STAND FOR US IN THE LEGISLATURE. 21:46:52 >> MORE TROOPS NOT THE ANSWER. . 21:47:00 . E >>> I WOULD GIVE THEM MASS 21:49:36 SUPPORT. I WOULD NOT PULL THEM THE 21:49:38 SUPPORT RIGHT NOW. >> WE CAN ACHIEVE SUCCESS IN 21:49:40 IRAQ. THIS IS NOT JUST AN INCREASE IN 21:49:42 TROOPS. >> OUR WISEST COURSE IS TO SEEK 21:49:44 STABILITY IN IRAQ. >> I THINK WE HAVE GOT TO STAY 21:49:47 IN AND GET THE JOB DONE, BUT WE HAVE GOT TO DO IT TOGETHER. 21:49:50 >> SO WE ARE TRYING TO CHANGE THE WORLD FOR FREEDOM. 21:49:55 >> Larry: DAVID GERGEN, WHAT DO YOU MAKE OF THIS HOUSE VOTE 21:49:58 FRIDAY IN WHICH THEY WILL SAY TO THE PRESIDENT, WE DON'T LIKE 21:50:00 WHAT YOU'RE DOING? >> IT'S A VERY SIGNIFICANT VOTE, 21:50:05 LARRY. THE CONGRESS HAS NOT REGISTERED 21:50:07 ANY REAL PROTESTS AGAINST THE WAR IN FOUR LONG YEARS. 21:50:11 THEY WENT ON THE RECORD, OF COURSE, EARLY ON, ESPECIALLY THE 21:50:14 SENATE VOTE, TO SUPPORT THE WAR AND GIVE THE PRESIDENT THE GREEN 21:50:16 LIGHT. NOW THE HOUSE IS GOING TO BE 21:50:20 FLASHING A STRONG ORANGE LIGHT. "SLOW DOWN, CAUTION, DON'T DO 21:50:24 THIS." NOW, I FOUND VERY STRIKING TODAY 21:50:27 THAT THE PRESIDENT IN HIS PRESS CONFERENCE BASICALLY DISMISSED 21:50:31 THIS. WHO CARES? 21:50:33 A LOT OF KIVTIVES TWO WEEKS AGO SAID THIS WILL BE A TERRIBLE 21:50:36 THING IF YOU VOTE FOR THIS. YOU WILL BE GIVING INCOMING FOR 21:50:41 THE ENEMY AND DEMORALIZING TROOPS. 21:50:43 THE PRESIDENT SAID, THE ONLY THING I CARE ABOUT, WILL THEY 21:50:46 BIND MY HANDS IN TERMS OF MONEY? HE'S IN EFFECT CONCEDED DEFEAT 21:50:49 AND IT REALLY HAS MADE IT A LOT EASIER FOR REPUBLICANS TO GO AND 21:50:52 VOTE FOR IT. WE COULD EASILY SEE ON THE 21:50:56 HOUSE -- IN THE HOUSE VOTE AT LEAST TWO DOZEN REPUBLICANS -- 21:50:59 AND I THINK AFTER THE PRESIDENT CONCEDED DEFEAT TODAY, IT COULD 21:51:03 WELL GO ABOVE THAT. >> Larry: ALE HOLMES, RUDY 21:51:07 GIULIANI SAID THE ONLY THING HE DOESN'T LIKE ABOUT IT IS IT'S 21:51:10 NONBINDING? >> BECAUSE HE WAS POINTING OUT 21:51:13 IF THE DEMOCRATS REALLY DO OPPOSE THIS WAR, THEY OUT TO BE 21:51:16 PASSING BINDING RESOLUTION AND NOT SOMETHING MERELY SYMBOLIC. 21:51:20 BUT I THINK THE DEMOCRATS ARE MAKING A SEVERE MISTE, 21:51:23 ESPECIALLY IF THEY PASS BINDING RESOLUTION TO CUT FUNDING. 21:51:26 FIRST OF ALL "THE WALL STREET JOURNAL" SHOWS THE AMERICAN 21:51:28 PUBLIC DOES NOT WANT TO CUT FUNDS TO THE TROOPS THAT. 21:51:31 WILL MAKE DEMOCRATS VERY VULNERABLE. 21:51:33 SECONDLY, IF THE SURGE WERE TO FAIL, THEY WOULD BE COMPLICIT IN 21:51:36 THAT FAILURE BECAUSE THEY MIGHT HAVE CAPPED TROOPS WHEN EXTRA 21:51:39 TROOPS ARE NEEDED. PETRAEUS SAID THE EXTRA TROOPS 21:51:42 ARE ESSENTIAL OR IF THEY CUT FUNDING, THEY PUT THEMSELVES IN 21:51:44 A POSITION OF HAVING THEIR SO-CALLED WAR STRATEGY FAIL IN 21:51:49 IRAQ. >> Larry: MICHAEL ISIKOFF, WHAT 21:51:51 DO YOU MAKE OF THE CANDIDACY OF AL FRANKEN IN MINNESOTA? 21:51:55 >> I -- I GOT NOTHING FOR YOU ON THAT ONE. 21:51:58 BUT JUST, LOOK, ON THE RESOLUTION, IT'S NONBINDING SO 21:52:03 THE DEMOCRATS ARE NOT CUTTING OFF FUNDING AT THIS STAGE. 21:52:08 AND AMY IS RIGHT, THERE IS A RISK WERE THEY TO DO THAT IF 21:52:13 THEY STARTED TO MOVE IN THAT DIRECTION, THIS COULD COME 21:52:18 IMPLICIT. BUT YOU LOOK AT THE REDICK 21:52:21 COMING OUT FROM DEFENDING THE PRESIDENT, TALKING ABOUT HOW THE 21:52:25 CATASTROPHIC CONSEQUENCES OF A PULLOUT OF IRAQ AND HOW THIS IS 21:52:28 A KEY PART OF THE GLOBAL WAR ON TERROR. 21:52:30 AGAIN, I WANT TO TAKE YOU BACK TO -- LET'S GO BACK TO WHAT IS 21:52:34 THE PICTURE GOING TO LOOK LIKE SIX MONTHS DOWN THE ROAD? 21:52:36 EVERY ONE OF THESE HOUSE MEMBERS IS GOING TO BE UP FOR 21:52:40 RE-ELECTION. IF WE DON'T SEE MEASURABLE SIGNS 21:52:43 OF PROGRESS, THESE GUYS AND WOMEN WILL BE LOOKING AT RUNNING 21:52:46 FOR A WAR THAT IS COMPLETELY LOST THE SUPPORT OF THE AMERICAN 21:52:51 PUBLIC. >> IF YOU LIKE AT CHRIS CHASHGS 21:52:52 IT'S NOT JUST THAT. THEY ARE ALSO TALKING ABOUT IT'S 21:52:56 UNKONS TOOGSAL FOR THE CONGRESS TO BE USURPING THE POWER OF THE 21:52:59 COMMANDER IN CHIEF TO WAGE THIS WAR. 21:53:01 HE WAS GIVEN AUTHORIZATION BY THE UNITED STATES SENATE AND THE 21:53:04 UNITED STATES CONGRESS IN ORDER TO DO THIS. 21:53:06 AND YOU CANNOT HAVE 535 CONGRESSMEN AND SENATORS 21:53:10 MICROMANAGING THIS WAR. >> ACTUALLY, THIS IS ABSOLUTELY 21:53:13 NOT TRUE. AND JOHN EDWARDS IN HIS 21:53:17 ABSENCE -- >> Larry: HE COULDN'T MAKE IT, 21:53:20 BY THE WAY. >> HE WAS VERY ELOQUENT ON THIS 21:53:23 SUBJECT TODAY SAYING THERE'S NO WAY THE CONGRESS HAS ACTUALLY 21:53:26 AUTHORIZED THE CONTINUATION OF WHAT IS HAPPENING NOW, WHICH IS 21:53:30 EFFECTUALLY B REFEREEING A WAR. AT THE PRESS CONFERENCE, THE 21:53:35 PRESIDENT REFUSED TO CALL IT A CIVIL WAR. 21:53:37 AS HE PUT IT VERY QUAINTLY, LIVING IN THIS BEAUTIFUL WHITE 21:53:40 HOUSE, HOW CAN HE POSSIBLY KNOW IF THERE'S A CIVIL WAR? 21:53:43 THE TRUTH IS, IT IS A CIVIL WAR. WAY TOO MANY MILITARY EXPERTS 21:53:47 HAVE CALLED IT A CIVIL WAR. WE SEE THE RESULTS EVERY DAY. 21:53:50 THE FACT IS THE TROOPS ARE THERE REFEREEING A CIVIL WAR. 21:53:53 >> Larry: I HAVE TO GET A BREAK. WHEN I COME BACK, I WANT TO ASK 21:53:57 YOU ABOUT AL FRANKEN. IN YOUR OLD CONSERVATIVE DAYS 21:53:59 YOU DID A GREAT BIT WITH AL FRANKEN. 21:54:02 YOU BOTH WERE IN BED TOGETHER ARGUING. 21:54:03 >> WAIT UNTIL THAT COMES OUT. IT WILL SINK HIS CAMPAIGN! 21:54:07 >> Larry: WAIT UNTIL THAT COMES OUT. 21:54:09 FRANKEN IS DONE. AS WE GO TO BREAK, HERE'S 21:54:12 PRESIDENT BUSH AT THE PRESS CONFERENCE. 21:54:15 >> THERE ARE WEAPONS IN IRAQ THAT ARE HARMING U.S. TROOPS 21:54:17 BECAUSE OF THE KKD FOERZ. AS YOU KNOW THE KUDZ FORCE IS 21:54:30 PART OF THE IRANIAN GOVERNMENT. WHETHER AHMADINEJAD ENFORCED 21:54:33 THIS, WE DON'T KNOW. BUT AS YOU KNOW THEY ARE THERE 21:54:35 AND I INTEND TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT. 21:54:40 T IT GOT US DOING MORE TO PROCT OUR HEALTH... 21:54:42 LI TAKING SILV. [ Announcer ] CENTM SILVER 21:54:43 AGE JUSTED MULTIVITAMI... HAVE KEY ANTIODANTS THAT HELP 21:54:46 SUPPORT NATURAL LL REPAIR. >> Larry: DAVID GERGEN, THE 21:57:16 SCOOTER LIBBY TRIAL IS OVER. THE JURY TAKES IT TOMORROW. 21:57:20 WHY SO FAST? >> WELL, I WAS STUNNED THAT 21:57:25 SCOOTER LIBBY AND DICK CHENEY BOTH DECIDED NOT TO TESTIFY. 21:57:29 THERE'S ONE THEORY THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT THE DEFENSE ATTORNEYS 21:57:33 THINK THEY ALREADY WON THIS. BUT MANY PEOPLE CAME OUT OF 21:57:37 THE -- OF THE PROSECUTION SIDE THINKING THAT THE PROSECUTION 21:57:39 WAS AHEAD IN THIS CASE AND THE SCOOTER LIBBY DEFENSE HAS NOT 21:57:43 BEEN SUFFICIENT. SO IT -- GUESS THEY ARE AVOIDING 21:57:47 POTENTIAL EMBARRASSMENT BUT IT'S NORMALLY THE CASE IF YOU DON'T 21:57:50 PUT YOUR GUY UP THERE ON THE DEFENSE SIDE, YOU GIVE AN AWFUL 21:57:54 LOT TO THE OTHER SIDE. IT MAKES IT MUCH TOUGHER TO WIN 21:57:57 THE CASE. >> Larry: MICHAEL, WHAT IS THE 21:58:00 PRESIDENT, IF ANYTHING, DO ABOUT IRAN? 21:58:02 >> IRAN? YOU KNOW, I THINK THE PRESS 21:58:07 CONFERENCE TODAY WAS VERY REVEALING. 21:58:10 HE WAS FACED WITH THIS CONTRADICTION, WHICH HE HAD TO 21:58:14 ACKNOWLEDGE, THAT WHILE THERE IS THIS EVIDENCE OF IRANIAN 21:58:18 COMPONENTS BEING -- SHOWING UP IN IRAQ, PARTICULARLY THESE -- 21:58:22 THE IMPROVISED EXPLOSIVE DEVICES THAT SEEM TO BE MADE IN IRAN, NO 21:58:26 LEAR EVIDENTIARY TRAIL ON WHETHER THIS IS ORDERED FROM 21:58:30 OFFICIALS OF THE IRANIAN GOVERNMENT, AND IF SO, HOW HIGH 21:58:33 IN THE IRANIAN GOVERNMENT? THAT WAS GENERAL PACE, THE JOINT 21:58:39 CHIEFS, MADE THOSE COMMENTS TODAY AND KIND OF UNDERCUT THE 21:58:42 WHOLE THURSDAY THE OF ADMINISTRATION RHETORIC OVER THE 21:58:46 LAST FEW WEEKS. AND IT JUST LEAVES WHITE OPEN 21:58:48 WHAT THE POLICY IMPLICATIONS OF THIS ARE. 21:58:51 I THINK A LOT OF SKEPTICS AT THIS POINT SEE THE EMPHASIS ON 21:58:56 IRAN AS, AS MUCH A DIVERSION AS ANYTHING ELSE. 21:59:04 i think that a lot of skeptics at this point see the emphasis on Iran as, as much diversionary for political reasons as they do anything else. KING: Amy, what do you make of all of these early debates? HOLMES: I think that they're an opportunity for the American public to see these candidates, but unfortunately, it allows those candidates who are well funded, who have high name I.D., to be able to race out ahead of what they call second and third tier candidates in the Republican Party. That would be Mike Huckabee, for example. So in that -- in that case, then it's not a great -- a great system for being able to see who all of these people are who want to be president of the United States. KING: And we've only got 20 seconds. Are you going to go run home and blog this? HUFFINGTON: Yes, and in fact, the Huffington Post, in partnership with YouTube, are going to put on the first online presidential debate and we're going to get video questions from all around the country, especially young people. KING: An online video debate? HUFFINGTON: Online debate in real time. KING: Thank you all very much. Michael Isikoff, David Gergen, Arianna Huffington, and Amy Holmes. It is Valentine's Day. We don't often get personal on this show, but I want to take a moment and wish a very happy Valentine's to my lovely wife, Shawn, who is not only a great gal and a terrific wife but a partner in life and in love. Much kisses, much happiness. You deserve it. Happy Valentine's Day to the wife. And to all of you with all of yours as well. We now turn it over -- I'm sure he has the same sentiments -- to John Roberts, who will sit in for Anderson Cooper and host "AC 360" -- John. ROBERTS: Hey, Larry, thanks very much. And yes, happy Valentine's Day to my wife and everyone else out there who's celebrating this day.

[CNN: LARRY KING LIVE - RUDY GIULIANI / JOHN EDWARDS] [LOS ANGELES, ca usa] LARRY KING LIVE FOR WEDNESDAY, FEBRUARY 14, 2007 GUEST: FORMER NEW YORK MAYOR RUDOLPH GIULIANI / RUDY GIULIANI AND JOHN EDWARDS TALK ABOUT THEIR PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGNS. 21:00:23 >> Larry: TONIGHT -- RUDY GIULIANI ANSWERS THE BIG ONE. 21:00:26 ARE YOU RUNNING OR NOT? >> YEAH, I'M RUNNING. 21:00:28 >> Larry: WHAT WOULD HE DO AS AMERICA'S NEXT PRESIDENT? 21:00:30 HOW ABOUT IRAQ, ABORTION, GAY RIGHTS AND MORE? 21:00:35 NEW YORK'S FORMER MAYOR TAKES ON SOME TOUGH QUESTIONS. 21:00:39 >> OF COURSE, THEY WERE MISTAKES. 21:00:42 >> Larry: PLUS, DEMOCRATIC PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE JOHN 21:00:44 EDWARDS ON THE CONTROVERSY THAT HAD SOME CALLING HIS CAMPAIGN 21:00:50 ANTI-CATHOLIC. IT'S ALL NEXT ON "LARRY KING 21:00:51 LIVE." GOOD EVENING. 21:01:01 WE WELCOME TO "LARRY KING LIVE" A OLD FRIEND, RUDY GIULIANI, WHO 21:01:05 HAS FORMED AN EXPLORATORY COMMIT DWROI A 2008 RACE WHICH USUALLY 21:01:11 LEADS TO AN ADVISORY COMMITTEE AND MAYBE COMMIT KBRI. 21:01:14 ARE YOU RUNNING OR NOT? >> I'M RUN. 21:01:16 >> Larry: ARE YOU MAKING AN OFFICIAL ANNOUNCEMENT OR IS THIS 21:01:19 IT? HERE RIGHT NOW? 21:01:20 >> I GUESS YOU DO ONE OF THESE THINGS FOUR, FIVE TIMES IN A DAY 21:01:24 SO I CAN GET ON YOUR SHOW AND ABOUT FIVE OTHERS. 21:01:27 >> Larry: SO YOU'RE RUN SOMETHING. 21:01:28 >> YEAH. >> Larry: FINAL -- WHAT LED TO 21:01:30 THE DECISION? >> I THINK I CAN MAKE A 21:01:32 DIFFERENCE. I BELIEVE THE COUNTRY NEEDS 21:01:33 LEADERSHIP. I THINK WE ARE GOING THROUGH A 21:01:38 WAR ON TERROR OR TERRORISTS' WAR AGAINST US, WHICH MAYBE IS A 21:01:41 BETTER WAY TO DESCRIBE IT. WE HAVE LOTS OF PROBLEMS WE HAVE 21:01:44 TO TACKLE AND RESOLVEMENT WE NEED FISCAL DISCIPLINE. 21:01:47 WE NEED BETTER EDUCATION. WE NEED ENERGY INDEPENDENCE. 21:01:50 THERE ARE SO MANY THINGS WE HAVE NOT SORT OF TACKLED. 21:01:53 ONE OF THE THINGS I DO IS -- >> Larry: TACKLE THINGS. 21:01:57 >> TACKLE THINGS, LEAD. TRY TO GET THINGS DONE. 21:02:03 >> Larry: CUT TO THE TRUTH, YOU'RE SAYING I'M THE BEST. 21:02:06 IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAY SOMETHING. 21:02:07 >> YES, AND VERY HUMBLING. IT TAKES A LONG TIME TO COME TO 21:02:11 THE:COLLUSION WITH ALL OF YOUR IMPERFECTION, ALL OF THE THINGS 21:02:14 WE ALL ARE. NONE OF DOUSE EVERYTHING ELSE. 21:02:17 NONE OF US ARE PERFECT. YOU HAVE TO SAY TO YOURSELF IS 21:02:25 THIS SOMETHING TO DO? FOR A KID FROM BROOKLYN, 21:02:27 SOMETIMES YOU SAY, GEE, IS THIS REALLY HAPPEN SOMETHING AND 21:02:29 OTHER TIMES YOU WAKE UP AND SAY,KY DO THIS. 21:02:32 >> Larry: LET'S GET TO SOME ISSUES. 21:02:34 A LEADING INDUSTRIALIST FRIEND OF MINE SAYS, IF THE UNITED 21:02:37 STATES WAS A CORPORATION, BASED ON THE IRAQ WAR, EVERYBODY ON 21:02:40 TOP WOULD BE FIRE. HOW WOULD YOU COMMENT ON THAT? 21:02:43 IN OTHER WORDS, MEANING IT AIN'T GOING RIGHT. 21:02:44 >> THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN TRUE -- HE WOULD HAVE SAID THE SAME 21:02:47 THING ABOUT THE CIVIL WAR AND ABRAHAM LINCOLN WOULD HAVE BEEN 21:02:50 FIRED AND MIGHT HAVE SAID THE SAME THING ABOUT THE BATTLE OF 21:02:53 THE BULGE AND EISENHOWER AND MARSH ALL WOULD HAVE BEEN FIRED. 21:02:57 >> Larry: ARE YOU SAYING THIS WILL ALL TURN AROUND? 21:02:59 >> I'M NOT CONFIDENT IT WILL ALL TURN AROUND. 21:03:01 WHO KNOWS THAT? YOU NEVER KNOW THAT IN A MIDDLE 21:03:04 OF A WAR. I'M CONFIDENT WE HAVE TO TRY TO 21:03:09 MAKE IT TURN AROUND. WE CAN'T JUST WALK OUT. 21:03:12 IT'S CRITICAL TO US THAT THINGS GET TO THE POINT IN IRAQ WHERE 21:03:15 WE HAVE SOME DEGREE OF STABILITY AND NOT WAY THEY ARE NOW. 21:03:18 IF WE LEAVE IT THE WAY IT IS NOW AND WE RUN OUT, THEN WE WILL 21:03:22 FACE FURTHER DIFFICULTIES IN THE FUTURE. 21:03:24 WE WILL LOSE MORE LIES IN THE FUTURE. 21:03:25 I WILL TELL YOU WHO TELLS ME THAT, A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO HAVE 21:03:28 BEEN THERE. WAYS JUST IN SAN DIEGO SPEAKING 21:03:31 TO SAILORS AND MARINES THAT HAVE BEEN IN IRAQ. 21:03:33 THAT'S WHAT THEY TELL ME. THEY TELL ME, LOOK, THIS IS A 21:03:37 VOLUNTEER ARMY, YOU WANT TO TAKE OUR ADVICE. 21:03:39 OUR ADVICE IS, GIVE US A CHANCE TO TRY TO STABILIZE THIS THAT 21:03:44 PLACE, OTHERWISE WE KNOW WHAT WILL HAPPEN TWOXT YEARS FROM NOW 21:03:46 YOU WILL SEND US BACK BECAUSE THERE WILL BE A MAJOR WAR IN 21:03:49 THIS AREA. >> Larry: WHAT DO YOU DO TO 21:03:51 CHANGE IT? 20,000 TROOPS GOING TO CHANGE 21:03:53 IT? >> I HOPE THEY CHANGE THE WHOLE 21:03:55 STRATEGY, WHICH I HOPE THEY DID. THE WHOLE STRATEGY HAS TO BE A 21:03:59 STRATEGY OF NOT JUST PACIFYING PLACES BUT HOLDING THEM AND 21:04:05 HOLDING THEM FOR SOME PERIOD OF TIME. 21:04:06 IT REMINDS ME A LITTLE, ON A MUCH BIGGER SCALE, WHAT I HAD TO 21:04:10 DO TO REDUCE CRIME IN NEW YORK CITY. 21:04:12 WE HAD TO NOT JUST GO INTO NEIGHBORHOODS AND NATH SAFE, 21:04:16 WHICH THE CITY HAD BEEN DOING FOR YEARS. 21:04:17 THE CITY HAD BEEN GOING IN THERE MAKING THEM SAFE AND LEAVING AND 21:04:20 GOING TO OTHER PLACES. MAKE IT SAFE, LEAVE. 21:04:22 WE HAVE TO GO, MAKE IT SAFE AND IN THE AREAS, DISTRICTS OF 21:04:26 BAGHDAD, AND STAY THERE FOR A PERIOD OF TIME AND STABILIZE IT 21:04:30 AND ALLOW PEOPLE TO HAVE THEIR KIDS GO TO SCHOOL. 21:04:34 WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, THERE WAS A REAL DOUBT AS TO WHETHER WE 21:04:41 COULD DO THIS NATION BUILDING. LOW PRESSURE WE WERE NOT GOING 21:04:45 TO DO IT. >> AND IT'S REALLY HARD TO DO 21:04:49 AND DIFFERENT THAN THE MILITARY HAD TO DO IN THE PAST OR 21:04:51 AMERICA. BUT RIGHT NOW IF WE DON'T DO A 21:04:53 BETTER JOB OF STABILIZING IRAQ, NOT JUST FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE 21:04:57 IRAQI PEOPLE, FOR THE BENEFIT OF OUR PEOPLE, THEN WE HAVE A 21:05:01 COUNTRY WHERE IRAN HAS GOT A MAJOR, MAJOR ABILITY TO EXPAND 21:05:05 THEIR ACTIVITIES. TWO SHIITE COUNTRIES RIGHT NEXT 21:05:08 TO EACH OTHER, SLAUGHTERING -- ONE GROUP AT LEAST, IS 21:05:12 SLAUGHTERING SUNNIS. >> Larry: WOULD YOU AGREE, MR. 21:05:14 MAYOR, IF THEY HAD TO DO THIS ALL OVER AGAIN, GO BACK YEARS, 21:05:18 NOBODY WOULD VOTE FOR THE IRAQ WAR. 21:05:22 100 TO NOTHING PROBABLY IN THE SENATE. 21:05:24 >> I GUESS. BUT I'M NOT SURE THAT EXPLAINS 21:05:26 WHAT'S RIGHT ABOUT US. THE IDEA OF TAKING OUT SADDAM 21:05:30 HUSSEIN WAS ONE THAT WAS PREMISED ON THE FACT THAT HE 21:05:33 INVADED KUWAIT, THAT HE USED CHEMICAL WEAPONS, THAT HE HAD 21:05:37 BILLIONS OF DOLLARS AT HIS DISPOSAL, WHICH HE USED TO 21:05:40 SUPPORT VARIOUS PARTS OF THIS ISLAMIC TERRORIST MOVEMENT. 21:05:44 >> Larry: YOU'RE NOT SAYING YOU WOULD DO IT AGAIN? 21:05:46 >> I WOULD REMOVE SADDAM HUSSEIN AGAIN. 21:05:48 I JUST HOPE WE DO IT BETTER AND IN A DIFFERENT WAY. 21:05:50 WE DO THE NATION BUILDING PART OR THE HANDOFF TO THE IRAQIS OR 21:05:55 REBUILDING OF THE IRAQIS -- HERE ARE THE THINGS I HAVE LEARNED 21:05:59 FROM IT. I 21:06:02 I WOULD TAKE OUT SADDAM HUSSEIN IN A SECOND AGAIN. 21:06:04 I THINK THE WORLD IS MUCH BETTER OFF WITHOUT SADDAM HUSSEIN THAN 21:06:06 WITH HIM. I THINK SOME OF THE CONFUSION 21:06:08 DOES NOT LEAD US TO REALLY SEE THAT. 21:06:10 HERE'S WHAT I WOULD CHANGE -- DO IT WITH MORE TROOPS -- 21:06:13 >> Larry: WHEN WAS RECOMMENDED AND TURNED DOWN. 21:06:17 >> MAYBE 150,000 MORE. WOULD I DO IT IN A WAY WHICH WE 21:06:21 DID NOT DISBAND THE ARMY, WHICH WE LEARNED. 21:06:23 THIS IS ALL MONDAY MORNING QUARTERBACKING BUT THE MONDAY 21:06:25 MOERN QB, IN ORDER TO PLAY THE NEXT GAME BETTER, MONDAY MORE 21:06:30 THAN QUARTERBACK, YOU JUST WANT TO CRITICIZE, CHEAP STUFF. 21:06:33 MONDAY MORNING QUARTERBACK NEXT SATURDAY OR SUNDAY SO YOU CAN 21:06:35 PLAY BETTER IS ABSOLUTELY RIGHT. I WOULD -- I WOULD HAVE US NOT 21:06:40 DISBAND THE ARMY. YOU WOULD NOT DEBADGE PHI. 21:06:44 SEE, IT SOUNDS LIKE THE RIGHT THING TO DO. 21:06:46 YOU'RE GETTING RID OF ALL OF THE SOLD ZAMD GUYS BUT THAT MEANT 21:06:50 GETTING RID OF THE ENTIRE CIVIL SERVICE. 21:06:53 THE COUNTRY HAD NO INFRASTRUCTURE. 21:06:55 >> Larry: SO WHO DO YOU BLAME, RUMSFELD? 21:06:56 >> I DON'T BLAME ANYBODY. >> Larry: SOMEBODY HAS -- 21:06:59 NOBODY'S TO BLAME? >> YOU DON'T DO IT THAT WAY. 21:07:03 THAT IS WHY YOU DON'T MAKE PROGRESS. 21:07:05 I DON'T BLAME PEOPLE FOR NOT FIGURING OUT SEPTEMBER 11 BEFORE 21:07:07 IT HAPPENED. I KIND OF LOOK AT WHAT HAPPENED 21:07:10 SO YOU LEARN FOR THE FUTURE. >> Larry: THERE WERE MISTAKE 21:07:13 ZBLZ OF COURSE THERE WERE MISTAKES. 21:07:15 LINCOLN MADE MISTAKES. ROOSEVELT MADE MISTAKES. 21:07:17 IDES ENHOUR MADE MISTAKES. THE BATTLE OF THE BULGE WAS THE 21:07:21 BIGGEST INTELLIGENCE IDEA IN THE HISTORY OF AMERICA, MUCH BIGGER 21:07:24 THAN VIETNAM OR NOW. WE DIDN'T KNOW THE SOVIETS WERE 21:07:28 MOVING 400,000, 500,000 TROOPS. >> Larry: SHOULD THEY BE BLAMED 21:07:32 FROM NOT EXPLAINING -- >> LEARN FROM IT. 21:07:35 >> Larry: THE AMERICAN PUBLIC IS SO AGAINST IT. 21:07:36 HAVE THEY DONE A BAD JOB IN EXPLAIN SOMETHING. 21:07:39 >> MAYBE, MAYBE. >> Larry: WOULD YOU COMMUNICATE 21:07:41 BETTER? >> I DON'T KNOW. 21:07:42 I HOPE I WOULD. I HOPE THAT I WOULD LEARN FROM 21:07:45 THE MISTAKES THAT WERE MADE IN THIS SITUATION, LIKE THE 21:07:54 MISTAKES I MAY AS MAYOR, I LEARNED FROM THEM. 21:07:58 IF I AM PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES, I WILL NOT MAKE THE SAME 21:08:02 MISTAKES I WILL LEARN FROM THEM AND MABLG NEW ONES. 21:08:06 AND I WILL LEARN FROM PRESIDENT CLINTON AND GEORGE BUSH. 21:08:09 THIS JOB IS SO DIFFICULT. YOU HAVE TO HAVE HUMILITY ABOUT 21:08:12 IT AND YOU HAVE TO UNDERSTAND HOW TO LOOK AT THE PAST, NOT 21:08:15 ONLY IN A WAY THAT CASTS BLAME, BUT YOU LEARN FROM IT. 21:08:18 >> Larry: THE HOUSE SPARPTLY ABOUT TO VOTE AND WILL VOTE 21:08:20 APPARENTLY, TO SAY THIS 20,000 TROOPS IS A MISTAKE. 21:08:25 IMPORTANT QUESTION -- DO YOU HOLD THOSE WHO VOTE FOR THAT AS 21:08:27 HELPING THE ENEMY? >> NO. 21:08:29 I HOLD THEM AS -- >> Larry: SOME SAY THAT. 21:08:31 YOU DON'T? >> AS PRACTICE, YOU CAN LOOK AT 21:08:34 THE PRACTICAL AND CONCLUSION ANY WAY YOU WAUCHBLT BUT WE HAVE A 21:08:42 RIGHT OF FREE SPEECH THIS THIS COUNTRY. 21:08:44 WE ELECT PEOPLE TO MAKE DECISIONS. 21:08:45 HERE'S WHAT I WOULD PREFER TO SEE THEM DO. 21:08:49 IF YOU ASK ME WHAT'S MY VIEW ON THAT. 21:08:52 THE NONBINDING RESOLUTION THING GETS ME MORE THAN ARE YOU FOR IT 21:08:54 OR AGAINST IT. I HAVE TREMENDOUS RESPECT FOR 21:08:58 THE PEOPLE WHO FEEL THAT WE EITHER MADE A MISTAKE GOING TO 21:09:02 WAR, WHO VOTED AGAINST THE WAR, WHO NOW HAVE COME TO THE 21:09:05 CONCLUSION, CHANGED THEIR MINDS. THEY HAVE EVER RIGHT TO THAT 21:09:09 THAT IT'S WRONG. YOU SHOULD IN A DYNAMIC 21:09:13 SITUATION KEEP QUESTIONING. BUT THERE'S NO DECISION. 21:09:17 >> Larry: IT'S A STATEMENT. >> THAT'S WHAT YOU DO AND WHAT 21:09:21 TIM RUSSERT DOES AND RUSH LIMBAUGH DOES. 21:09:23 MAKE COMMENTS. WE PAK THEM TO MAKE DECISIONS, 21:09:26 NOT JUST TO MAKE COMMENTS. WE PAY THEM TO DECIDE. 21:09:30 THE UNITED STATES CONGRESS DOES DECLARATIONS OF WAR. 21:09:33 >> Larry: IF YOU FEEL THAT WAY, WITHHOLD FUNDS, THAT'S THE WAY 21:09:37 YOU FEEL? >> THE ONES I THINK HAVE A 21:09:39 BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT THEIR RESPONSIBILITY IS ARE -- 21:09:44 AND ARE WILLING TO TAKE A RISK, ARE THE ONES WHO ARE SAYING, WE 21:09:47 HAVE GOT TO HOLD BACK THE FUNDS. WE HAVE TO VOTE AGAINST THE WAR 21:09:51 OR WE ARE FOR THE WAR. MAYBE IT'S BECAUSE I RAN A 21:09:55 GOVERNMENT, AND I TEND TO BE A DECISIVE PERSON. 21:09:57 I LIKE DECISIONS. ONE OF THE THINGS WRONG WITH 21:09:59 WASHINGTON IS, THEY DON'T WANT TO MAKE TOUGH DECISIONS ANYMORE. 21:10:04 NONBINDING RESOLUTION ABOUT IRAQ, NO DECISION ON 21:10:07 IMMIGRATION. NO DECISION ON SOCIAL SECURITY 21:10:09 REFORM. NO DECISION ON WHAT TO DO ABOUT 21:10:11 ENERGY INDEPENDENCE. NO DECISION. 21:10:12 YOU KNOW WHY THAT HAPPENS? BECAUSE IT'S UNPOPULAR. 21:10:15 >> Larry: I HAVE TO TAKE A BREAK. 21:10:17 I DON'T WANT TO TAKE YOUR HEART, BUT IF YOU'RE PRESIDENT, YOU 21:10:21 CANNOT ROOT FOR THE YANKEES. >> YOU HAVE TO MAKE DECISIONS. 21:10:24 >> Larry: YOU HAVE TO ROOT FOR EVERYBODY. 21:10:25 RUDY GIULIANI IS OUR GUEST AND READ CANDIDATE. 21:10:26 HE'S RUNNING! WE WILL BE RIGHT BACK. 21:13:23 >> Larry: LET'S MOVE TO SOME THINGS DOMESTIC. 21:13:27 YOU HAVE HAD SOME CALLS LATELY THAT SEEM CONTRADICTORY. 21:13:30 I KNOW YOU'RE PRO-CHOICE. YOU ARE ALWAYS WHOA CHOICE AND 21:13:34 YET YOU SAID YOU WILL APPOINT JUDGE THAT'S ARE STRICT 21:13:39 CONSTRUCTIST AND THEY DID OVERTURN ROE VS. WADE. 21:13:44 >> DON'T THINK THAT 1234. >> Larry: HOW DO YOU EXPLAIN IS 21:13:48 THAT THAT? >> I'M PRO-CHOICE BUT I'M ALSO, 21:13:52 AS YOU KNOW, AGAINST ABORTION, HATE ABORTION. 21:13:54 DON'T LIKE IT. WOULD NOT PERSONALLY ADVISE 21:13:57 ANYONE TO HAVE ABORTION. BUT I BELIEVE A WOMAN HAS A 21:13:59 RIGHT TO CHOOSE. CAN YOU NOT HAVE CRIMINAL 21:14:01 PENALTIES, AND I THINK THAT WOULD BE WRONG. 21:14:03 I WOULD SELECT JUDGES WHO TRY TO INTERPRET THE CONSTITUTION, 21:14:08 RATHER THAN INVENT IT, FROM MY VIEWS AS A LAWYER AND -- I DON'T 21:14:12 WANT TO SOUND PRESHUM CHEWOUS, I'M NOT A CONSTITUTIONAL LAWYER 21:14:16 BUT I HAVE ARGUED IN THE SUPREME COURT, AND I HAVE ARGUED IN MANY 21:14:21 OF THE CIRCUIT COURTS. SPENT MORE TIME IN COURTS THAN I 21:14:23 HAVE IN POLITICS. I THINK IT'S VERY IMPORTANT AND 21:14:29 FOR A JUDGE TO HAVE A PHILOSOPHICAL POLICY THAT SAIDLY 21:14:32 FIGURE OUT WHAT THE FRAMERS OF THE CONSTITUTION MEANT WHEN THEY 21:14:36 WROTE THIS OR WHAT THEY MEANT WHEN THEY PUT IT IN. 21:14:39 NOT WHAT I WOULD LIKE IT TO MEAN OR I FEEL IT MEANS. 21:14:41 HI THAT VIEW ABOUT THE CRIMINAL LAW. 21:14:43 I THOUGHT A LOT OF DECISIONS OF THE WARREN COURT WERE A MISTAKE. 21:14:47 I THAUS COLLUSIONARY RULE WAS A MISTAKE TOXT SOME EXTENT MIRANDA 21:14:50 WAS A MISTAKE. HERE'S WHAT THE COURT DID WITH 21:14:52 THOSE. A LOT OF PEOPLE THOUGHT WITH THE 21:14:56 BERGER -- >> Larry: LAWYERS LOVE MIRANDA. 21:14:58 MADE CASES MORE SOLID. >> MIRANDA IS OKAY, BUT WHEN 21:15:01 PEOPLE DON'T GIVE A MIRANDA WARNING QUICKLY ENOUGH WHEN 21:15:06 BLURTS OUT A CONFESSION, I STILL WANT TO PUT THAT MURDERER IN 21:15:10 JAIL. WHEN A COP MAKES A MISTAKE AND 21:15:12 FINDING A WEAPON OR DRUGS, I NEVER LIKED THE IDEA OF GIVING 21:15:15 IT BACK TO THE CRIMINAL. HERE'S WHAT THE COURT DID. 21:15:17 THE TWO COURTS THAT CAME AFTER -- TWO CONSERATIVE COURT 21:15:22 THAT'S CAME AFTER, BERGER AND REHNQUIST, PEOPLE THOUGHT THEY 21:15:25 WOULD OVERRULE MIRANDA. THEY DID NOT OVERRULE IT. 21:15:29 THEY LIMITED IT. AND LIMITED IT TO THE POINT 21:15:31 WHERE IT IS NOW QUITE RATIONAL. >> Larry: ARE YOU PRETTY SURE NO 21:15:35 MATTER WHAT YOU'RE PIPTED, ROE VS. WADE WOULD REMAIN? 21:15:38 >> NOBODY KNOW THAT'S. >> Larry: WOULD IT HURT YOU IF 21:15:41 IT WAS OVERTURNED? >> DON'T THINK IT WOULD HELP OR 21:15:43 HURT ME. >> Larry: WOULD YOU BE 21:15:46 INDIFFERENT TO IT? >> I WOULD NOT BE INDIFFERENT TO 21:15:49 IT. IT WOULD NOT BE LITMUS TEST I 21:15:51 WOULD APPOINT SOMEBODY. WOULD I APPOINT SOMEBODY WHO I 21:15:53 THOUGHT WOULD BE A GOOD JUDGE WHO WOULD DO THE BEST THEY COULD 21:15:56 DO INTERPRET THE CONSTITUTION. MAYBE NINE TIMES OUT OF TEN, I 21:15:59 WILL BE SATISFIED WITH THAT PINTMENT AND ONE OUT OF TEN 21:16:04 TIMES, I WOULD BE SITTING THERE LIKE USED TO DO WHEN I APPOINTED 21:16:07 LOTS OF PEOPLE AT MAYOR, HOW COULD THEY DO THAT? 21:16:10 I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND WHY THEY DID. 21:16:13 >> Larry: YOU'RE BASICALLY PRO THE GAY MOVEMENT. 21:16:14 GAYS HAVE EQUAL RIGHTS TO HETRO, INSURANCE BENEFITS AND ALL OF 21:16:19 THAT. >> GAYS SHOULD PROTECTED. 21:16:22 I SIGNED THE DOMESTIC PARTNERSHIP LAW IN NEW YORK. 21:16:25 THE WAY I DRIVE MY OPPONENTS, THEY SAY I'M IN FAVOR OF GAY 21:16:30 MARRIAGE. I DID 220 WEDDINGS, ALL BETWEEN 21:16:32 A MAN AND WOMAN. I HOPE THEY WERE ALL BETWEEN A 21:16:35 MAN AND WOMAN. IT LOOKED THAT WAY AT THE TIME. 21:16:38 BUT, YEAH, I BELIEVE MARRIAGE IS P SOMETHING THAT SHOULD BE 21:16:42 BETWEEN A MAN AND A WOMAN AND THE WAY TO HANDLE THIS AND THE 21:16:47 WAY TO HANDLE RESPECT AND EVERYTHING ELSE IS HAVE 21:16:49 SOMETHING LIKE DOMESTIC PARTNERSHIP, WHICH I SUPPORT. 21:16:51 >> Larry: WOULD YOU FAVOR CON TUSAL AMENDMENT FAVORING 21:16:55 MARRIAGE BETWEEN A MAN AND WOMAN? 21:16:57 >> NOT UNLESS IT REMAINS -- NOT IF IT REMAINS THE WAY IT IS NOW. 21:17:03 UNLESS A LOT OF OTHER STATES DO WHAT MASSACHUSETTS DOES, COME 21:17:06 OUT SANE, YOU CAN R CANNOT HAVE MARRIAGE BETWEEN MAN AND WOMAN. 21:17:10 IF IT CHANGES, MAYBE VERY WELL. >> Larry: ARE YOU IN FAVOR OF 21:17:14 GUN CONTROL? >> I DID. 21:17:15 BUT I ALSO UNDERSTAND THE SECOND AMENDMENT. 21:17:17 I UNDERSTAND THE RIGHT TO BEAR ARMS. 21:17:20 A LOT OF THESE THINGS HAVE TO BE RESOLVED ON A STATE-BY-STATE 21:17:23 BASIS. I USED TO SAY OFTEN WHEN I WAS 21:17:26 THE MAYOR, ONE THING FOR NEW YORK, AND SOMETHING DIFFERENT 21:17:29 FOR TEXAS. >> Larry: RUDY, WILL IT BE ROUGH 21:17:31 FOR YOU -- BY THE WAY, BIG PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE APRIL 4 IN 21:17:35 NEW HAMPSHIRE. DEMOCRATS ONE NIGHT. 21:17:37 REPUBLICANS THE NEXT. CNN IS COSPNSERRING IT WITH 21:17:41 WMMR. ARE YOU GOING TO COME? 21:17:42 >> I DIDN'T KNOW. >> Larry: I'M INVITING YOU ON 21:17:45 BEHALF OF CNN. >> LET ME TAKE A LOOK. 21:17:47 >> Larry: IF YOUR SCHEDULE IS OPEN, WILL YOU COME? 21:17:49 >> LET ME TAKE A LOOK. >> Larry: WILL IT BE HARD FOR 21:17:52 YOU? YOU'RE WAY AHEAD IN THE POLLS, 21:17:54 BY THE WAY. YOU COULD WIN THE ELECTION BUT 21:17:58 NOT THE NOMINATION BECAUSE YOU CANNOT WIN SOUTH CAROLINA. 21:18:00 YOU CANNOT WIN ALABAMA. WITH THE VIEWS YOU HAVE, VIA 21:18:05 ABORTION GAIN RIGHTS. >> YOU HEARD THE VIEWS THAT I 21:18:06 HAVE AND THERE ARE A LOT OF OTHER ISSUES YOU CAN COVER. 21:18:10 >> Larry: HOW TOUGH WILL BE IT FOR YOU IN THE SOUTH? 21:18:11 >> I HAVE BEEN IN SOUTH CAROLINA QUITE A BIT AND OTHER PARTS OF 21:18:14 THE SOUTH. SEEMS LIKE THEY ARE OPEN. 21:18:17 SEEKS LIKE PEOPLE ARE OPEN TO MAYBE APPROACHING THIS ELECTION 21:18:20 A LITTLE DIFFERENTLY FROM THE POINT -- BOTH ON THE REPUBLICAN 21:18:22 SIDE AND DEMOCRATIC SIDE. WE NEED LEADERSHIP. 21:18:25 I THINK THERE'S AN UNDERSTANDING THAT YOU CANNOT -- YOU CAN NEVER 21:18:28 FIND A CANDIDATE YOU AGREE WITH 100% OF THE TIME. 21:18:31 I DON'T AGREE WITH MYSELF 100% OF A TIME. 21:18:33 HOW ARE YOU GOING TO FIND A CANDIDATE AWE GRE WITH -- 21:18:36 >> Larry: YOU THINK THEY WILL VOTE FOR YOU? 21:18:38 >> I THINK THEY WILL ON THE BASIS OF LEADERSHIP. 21:18:42 I THINK THEY WILL ON THE BASIS WE NEED SOMEBODY WHO CAN 21:18:46 ULTIMATELY HAND THL COUNTRY AT A TIME OF WAR AND AT A TIME WE 21:18:49 HAVE TOUGH THINGS TO FACE WE HAVE NOT BEEN FACING FOR A 21:18:51 WHILE. >> Larry: A COUPLE OTHER QUICK 21:18:54 THINGS, YOUR ROLGS RELATIONSHIP WITH BERNIE CAREY, POTENTIAL 21:18:57 CAMPAIGN PROBLEM? >> YOU MEAN HIS -- RECOMMENDING 21:19:00 HIM? IT WAS A MISTAKE. 21:19:01 I MADE A MISTAKE. >> Larry: YOU THINK IT WILL HURT 21:19:03 YOU? YOU THINK AN OPPONENT WILL BRING 21:19:07 IT UP? WHY AM I BRINGING IT UP! 21:19:09 >> YES, I THINK THE ANSWER IS, I MADE A MISTAKE AND TYKE 21:19:13 RESPONSIBILITY FOR IT. >> Larry: YOUR DIVORCE AND 21:19:15 PERSONAL LIFE. >> THEY WILL BRING ALL OF THAT 21:19:17 UP AND PROBABLY BRING UP THING THAT'S ARE NOT EVEN TRUE. 21:19:20 AND THEY WILL BRING UP THINGS THAT ARE TRUE. 21:19:22 THE WAY I DEAL WITH THAT, I'M A HUMAN BEING. 21:19:24 I MADE MISTAKES. I'M NOT PERFECT. 21:19:28 I KEEP TRYING TO LEARN FROM THEM. 21:19:30 SOMETIMES I DO, SOMETIMES I DON'T. 21:19:32 I KEEP WORKING ON THAT AND TRYING TO LEARN. 21:19:34 I'M A HUMAN BEING. MUCH LIKE I THINK, EVERYBODY 21:19:37 ELSE, THEY MAY BE A PERFECT CANDIDATE IN THIS RACE. 21:19:39 I DON'T KNOW WHICH ONE THAT IS. I WOULD NOT WANT TO BE THE ONE 21:19:41 THAT IS THE PERFECT CANDIDATE. >> Larry: LAST TIME WE HAD A 21:19:44 PRESIDENTIAL RACE, I REMEMBER YOU LIKED JOHN McCAIN. 21:19:45 AND HE WAS A FRIEND OF YOURS. >> WE STILL ARE FRIENDS. 21:19:48 I LIKE JOHN McCAIN VERY MUCH. I HAVE A SINCERE ADMIRATION FOR 21:19:54 JOHN McCAIN. WE WILL BOTH BATTLE IT OUT FOR 21:19:57 THE REPUBLICAN NOMINATION. BURT IT'S NOT GOING TO IN ONE -- 21:20:01 ONE IOTA REMOVE THE KIND OF RESPECT I HAVE FOR JOHN. 21:20:05 I THINK JOHN IS A GREAT AMERICAN. 21:20:07 AND ONED THAT, HE'S A GREAT PERSON. 21:20:08 HE'S SOMEBODY I KNOW. I REALLY LIKE HIM VERY MUCH. 21:20:11 I LIKE MITT ROMNEY. I CAMPAIGNED FOR MITT ROMNEY. 21:20:14 THE NIGHT BEFORE HE GOT ELECTED GOVERNOR, I WAS GOING -- THE 21:20:17 LAST CAMPAIGN I MET WITH HIM AND WE WERE IN THE SOUTH SIDE OF 21:20:20 BOSTON. WE HAD DINNER IN A GREAT ITALIAN 21:20:23 RESTAURANT, AND TOLD GREAT STORIES. 21:20:26 >> Larry: DO YOU THINK THIS WILL BE HELD AGAINST HIM? 21:20:28 >> OF COURSE NOT. ABSOLUTELY NOT. 21:20:30 ANY MORE THAN CATHOLICISM SHOULD BE -- 21:20:32 >> HELD AGAINST YOU. >> Larry: AGAINST YOU? 21:20:39 >> BEING FROM KENNEDY, SHOULD BE HELD AGAINST HIM. 21:20:47 >> Larry: I WANT TO RUN FROM BOSTON. 21:20:49 WOULD YOU LIKE TO RUN AGAINST HILLARY? 21:20:50 >> I WOULD LIKE TO RUN AGAINST ANYBODY THE DEMOCRATS NOMINATE. 21:20:54 IF IT'S HILLARY, GOD BLESS HER. OBAMA, OR EDWARDS. 21:21:02 I HOPE I DIDN'T LEAVE EVERYBODY OUT. 21:21:05 >> Larry: THANK YOU, RUDY. HOPE TO SEE YOU ON THE 24th. 21:21:09 CHECK. ALWAYS PUSHING. 21:21:11 SENATOR JOHN EDWARDS SCHEDULED TO BE HERE. 21:21:13 LOOKING AT THE DOOR, HE AIN'T HERE YET. 21:21:14 A LOT OF TRAFFIC IN LOS ANGELES. A PANEL OF OUTSTANDING PUNDITS 21:21:17 AND HE'S LATE. IT'S ALL THE NEXT. 21:21:19 DON'T GO AWAY. >> MAYOR RUDY -- 21:21:25 >> I GUESS I AM. SURE, I'M RUNNING. 21:21:31 >> I DECLARE MY INTENTION TO RUN FOR PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED 21:21:34 STATES. >> I AM TAKING THE FIRST STEP ON 21:21:38 THE YELLOW BRICK ROAD TO THE WHITE HOUSE. 21:21:40 >> PREPARING TO RUN FOR PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES. 21:21:44 IN 2008. >> I THINK I'M IN THE BEST 21:21:49 POSITION. INTRODUCING THE ALL 21:21:57 NEW CHEVY LVERADO. UCKS WITH UPO 21:22:00 367 HORSEPOWER... AND 10,500 POUNDS 21:22:02 TOWG CAPACITY. TRUCKS WITH REAR DOORS THAT 21:22:06 C OPEN 170 DEEES. , ALL BACKED BY THE BEST 21:22:11 COVERAGE IN AMERICA. THAT'S WHY IT'S THE... 21:22:19 THE ALL NEW CHEVSILVERADO. >> Larry: AGAIN, AS WE SAID, 21:24:37 SENATOR EDWARDS STUCK SOMEWHERE. A LOT OF TRAFFIC TONIGHT ON THIS 21:24:41 VALENTINE'S NIGHT IN LOS ANGELES. 21:24:42 LET'S MEET OUR PANEL, MICHAEL, INVESTIGATIVE COMPETENT FOR 21:24:46 "NEWSWEEK." BEST-SELLING AUTHOR OF "HUBRIS," 21:24:48 INSIDE STORY OF SPIN, SCANDAL AND SELLING OF THE IRAQ WAR." 21:24:51 IN BOSTON, DAVID GERGEN, WHO SERVED AS A WHITE HOUSE ADVISE 21:24:54 TORE NIXON, FORD, REAGAN AND CLINTON. 21:24:58 EDITOR OF "U.S. WORLD NEWS" AND PROFESSOR AT HARVARD'S SCHOOL OF 21:25:02 GOVERNMENT. HERE IN L.A., ARIANA HUFFINGTON, 21:25:05 FOUNDER AND EDITOR OF HUFFINGTONPOST.COM. 21:25:10 HER WORK -- BECOMING FEARLESS IN LOVE, WORK AND LIFE. 21:25:14 AND AMY HOME, SPEECHWRITER FOUR THE GOP -- AND SPEECH MEMORY FOR 21:25:19 SENATOR MAJORITY LEADER BILL FRIST. 21:25:20 AND GOP STRATEGIST AS WELL. MICHAEL IZ ACOUGH, WHAT DO YOU 21:25:26 MAKE OF GIULIANI, IN THE UNUSUAL POSITION AHEAD IN THE POLLS BUT 21:25:31 MAYBE BEHIND IN THE REPUBLICAN PRIMARY POLLS? 21:25:32 >> I THINK YOU CAN SEE FROM THE INTERVIEW, WHY HE'S AHEAD OF THE 21:25:36 POLLS. HE'S CLEARLY ENGAGING AND 21:25:39 WINNING PERSONALITY. CAME ACROSS AS QUITE FRANK, 21:25:44 QUITE OPEN. WILLING TO ADMIT MISTAKES. 21:25:48 HE HAS A LONG WAY TO GO. HE'S GOT -- THERE'S NO GETTING 21:25:53 AROUND THE FACT THAT HE WILL BE RUNNING IN PRIMARIES WHERE 21:25:56 SOCIAL CONSERVATIVES PREDOMINANT AND HIS VIEWS ARE NOT COMPATIBLE 21:25:59 WITH THOSE. AND BEYOND THAT, I THINK I THINK 21:26:03 LIKE EVERY OTHER CANDIDATE, IRAQ WILL LOOM LARGE FOR HIM AS IT 21:26:06 WILL FOR EVERYBODY ELSE. AND RIGHT NOW HE'S SUPPORTING 21:26:10 THE SURGE. HE'S SUPPORTING THE PRESIDENT. 21:26:12 BUT THE BIG QUESTION THAT EVERY REPUBLICAN CANDIDATE IS GOING TO 21:26:15 FACE IS, SIX MONTHS DOWN THE ROAD FROM NOW, IF THINGS DON'T 21:26:20 START TO TURN AROUND, IF THERE ISN'T SOME MEASURABLE PROGRESS, 21:26:24 ARE THEY GOING TO STAY COMMITTED TO A COURSE THAT DOES NOT LOOK 21:26:28 LIKE IT'S GOING ANYWHERE? >> Larry: ARIANA? 21:26:31 >> YOU KNOW, I FIND IT AMAZING THE WAY HE'S DECIDED TO 21:26:34 COMPLETELY SUPPORT THE PRESIDENT. 21:26:36 ALL THE WAY DOWN, COMPARING THEIR POLICIES TO LINCOLN'S AND 21:26:40 ROOSEVELT'S WHEN YOU TRY TO PRESS HIM. 21:26:43 WHAT I THINK HIS CALCULATION IS, PERHAPS, GIVEN HE'S PRO-CHOICE 21:26:47 AND PRO GUN CONTROL, PROBABLY DECIDED THAT HE HAD TO BE -- TO 21:26:52 OUT McCAIN ON THE SURGE. TO BE IN FAVOR OF EVERY 21:26:57 ESCALATION, IN ORDER SOMEHOW TO IMPROVE HIS CREDENTIALS. 21:27:01 >> Larry: ARE YOU SAYING IT'S ALL CALCULATEED? 21:27:04 >> IT DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE. HE SHOULD KNOW BETTER THAN THAT. 21:27:06 ON TOP OF IT, IT'S THE WRONG CALCULATION. 21:27:09 YOU CAN NEVER OUT McCAIN/McCAIN. 21:27:13 HE OWNS THAT SPACE OF ESCALATING THE WAR. 21:27:15 ON TOP OF IT HE SPENT FIVE YEARS AT HANOI WHILE JEWEL ONNY GOT A 21:27:21 DEFERMENT BECAUSE SOME JUDGE THOUGHT HE WAS A VERY GOOD LAW 21:27:24 CLERK. IT DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE. 21:27:26 >> Larry: DAVID GERGEN, WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT THE GIULIANI 21:27:29 CANDIDACY? >> WELL, I THINK THAT'S REALLY 21:27:33 INTERESTING, LARRY, IS THE PUNDITS, COMMENT TAROT, IF YOU 21:27:37 WOULD LIKE TO CALL IT THAT, HAS DISCOUNTED -- AND I HAVE BECOME 21:27:41 AMONG THOSE THAT DISCOUNTED A GIULIANI CANDIDACY FOR SOME 21:27:47 TIME. WE SAID, HE LOOK AS TRACTIVE ON 21:27:49 THE SURFACE BUT PEOPLE WILL MOVE AWAY FROM HIM IN THE REPUBLICAN 21:27:52 PARTY. BUT SOMETHING IPING HAPPENED THE 21:27:54 LAST 30 DAYS. A MOG ATHE "USA TODAY" GALLOP 21:27:59 POLL HAD GIULIANI AND McCAIN NECK AND NECK. 21:28:02 GIULIANI AHEAD BY AROUND FOUR POINTS. 21:28:06 THE RECENT POLL HAS GIULIANI AHEAD OF JOHN McCAIN FOR THE 21:28:10 REPUBLICAN NOMINATION BY 16 POINTS. 21:28:12 16 POINTS. HE'S OPENED UP A HUGE LEAD. 21:28:14 I THOUGHT -- I MUST SAY, MY GOOD FRIEND AR ANIA, I DISAGREE IN 21:28:21 PART WHAT'S GOING ON. I THINK HE'S TAKING THESE STAND 21:28:25 BECAUSE IT'S WHAT HE BELIEVES IN. 21:28:26 I THINK HE'S TAKING THE STAND LIKE BARACK OBAMA, WHO IS ON THE 21:28:30 DEMOCRATIC SIDE, HE'S APPEALING BECAUSE THESE AUTHENTIC. 21:28:33 HE IS WHO HE IS WHO HE IS. AND IT'S NOT AT ALL CALCULATED. 21:28:36 >> Larry: LET ME GET BREAK. WE WILL PICK UP WITH AMY HOLMES' 21:28:40 THOUGHTS AND GET INTO A LOT MORE ABOUT POLITICS 2007/2008. 21:28:46 DON'T GO AWAY. >> I AM IN. 21:28:49 I AM IN TO WIN. >> MY CANDIDACY FOR PRESIDENT OF 21:28:53 THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA! >> THE SINGLE BIGGEST 21:29:03 RESPONSIBILITY OF THE NEXT PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES 21:29:05 IS TO RESTORE AMERICA'S LEADERSHIP IN THE WORLD. 21:29:07 >> I STILL PLAN ON RUNNING. I HAVE NOT, QUITE FRANKLY, NOT 21:29:12 THROUGH ALL OF THE MECHANICS OF IT AT THIS POINT. 21:29:13 >> TODAY I FILED THE PAPER WORK CREATING A PRESIDENTIAL 21:29:18 EXPLORATORY COMMITTEE. >> I'M ANNOUNCING MY CANDIDACY 21:29:20 FOR PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES. 21:29:25 I TR OSI I 21:29:31 E S 21:29:33 MENOUSAL OEOSI OSAXISD HACRE 21:29:43 OF BOTTHP SPINE WOM WITH TEOSIS . 21:29:48 NGHI MPNT TO 21:29:52 ER E, NOAB TAN ITIG F 3NU 21:29:54 DN DSE, LOUM 21:29:57 ER E, NOAB TAN L 21:30:06 TINX LL 21:30:09 RI IU VEP ORORNGRN TINX FFNF WI 21:30:13 LL OFER UER STLE 21:30:16 ENI HEAR E O TPROTEC BON 21:32:09 >> Larry: LET'S BRING OUR BUDDY AMY HOLMS INTO THE NEXT. 21:32:12 WHAT HAPPENED, AS DAVID GERGEN POINTS OUT, WHAT HAPPENED TO 21:32:15 McCAIN? >> WELL, HE'S BEEN OVERSHADOWED 21:32:18 BY THIS BIG GIULIANI ANNOUNCEMENT. 21:32:20 I THINK IN THE INTERVIEW WE SAW TONIGHT, GIULIANI PROVES WHY 21:32:24 HE'S SUCH A FORMIDABLE OPPONENT. HE'S CHARISMATIC AND CANDID AND 21:32:27 COMFORTABLE IN HIS OWN SKIN. WITH McCAIN A. AMONG 21:32:30 CONSERVATIVES, THERE'S A LOT OF EXCEPTISM. 21:32:33 REMEMBER, HE WAS FOR CAMPAIGN FINANCE REFORM AND THAT WASN'T 21:32:36 SO GREAT FOR THE RELIGIOUS CONSERVATIVE GROUPS AND RISE OF 21:32:38 THE A527s ON THE LEFT WAS AN UNHAPPY DEVELOPMENT. 21:32:44 McCAIN, THERE'S ILL WILL. SOME POLLS SHOW GIULIANI AHEAD 21:32:49 IN ALABAMA AND GEORGIA. AND WHEN HE WAS MAYOR OF NEW 21:32:52 YORK, HE WAS A HERO TO CONSERVATIVES WITH CONSERVATIVE 21:32:55 REFORMS IN NEW YORK AS MAYOR. I THINK HE'S AN EXCITING 21:32:57 CANDIDATE AND HE WILL BRING A LOT OF SIZZLE TO THIS ELECTION. 21:33:01 >> Larry: MICHAEL, WHAT ABOUT MITT ROMNEY, MORMON FROM SALT 21:33:03 LAKEHO W BECOMES GOVERNOR AND CATHOLIC MASSACHUSETTS. 21:33:06 ISN'T THAT FORMIDABLE? >> YEAH. 21:33:10 I MEAN, LOOK, I'M LIKE A LOT OF OTHER PEOPLE, DON'T KNOW ALL 21:33:13 THAT MUCH ABOUT MITT ROMNEY. I THINK HE'S POSITIONED TO BE 21:33:17 THE CON VEPGSAL CONSERVATIVE CANDIDATE IN THIS ELECTION. 21:33:23 AND PROBABLY WELL POSITIONED TO DO THAT. 21:33:26 BUT I JUST WANT -- WE CANNOT GET AROUND -- NOT TO ECHO MYSELF, 21:33:31 BUT IRAQ IS THE STUMBLING BLOCK FOR ALL OF THESE GUYS. 21:33:35 AND THEY HAVE GOT TO DEAL WITH IT. 21:33:39 AND THEY ARE ALL AT THE MOMENT SUPPORTING A WAR THE AMERICAN 21:33:41 PUBLIC DOES NOT SUPPORT. AND THE LONGER THEY DO SO, THE 21:33:48 LONGER THEY ARE GOING TO HAVE PROBLEMS, IF ANY OF THEM -- 21:33:51 WHOEVER GETS THE NOMINATION, WILL HAVE THAT PROBLEM IN A IN 21:33:57 JARM ELECTION. >> Larry: DID THAT MEAN, ARIANA, 21:34:00 IRAQ WILL BE THE LOSS FOR REPUBLICANS? 21:34:01 IRAQ WOULD BE THE SFLN. >> ABSOLUTELY. 21:34:03 I COMPLETELY AGREE WITH MIKE. TO HEAR GIULIANI RESPOND TO YOU, 21:34:07 LARRY, BY SAYING THE IRAQ IS A LITTLE BIT LIKE NEW YORK AND 21:34:11 FIGHTING THE WAR IN IRAQ IS LIKE FIGHTING CRIME IN THE STREETS OF 21:34:14 NEW YORK, IT IS SO LAUGHABLE. I CANNOT IMAGINE HOW ANYBODY CAN 21:34:17 TAKE IT SERIOUSLY AS A POSITION ON THE WAR. 21:34:21 TO IGNORE THE FACT THERE IS A CIVIL WAR GOING ON THERE IS 21:34:25 REALLY TO SHOW ABSOLUTELY NO UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT IS 21:34:28 HAPPENING AND TRY TO TREAT IT LIKE A CRIME PROBLEM. 21:34:32 SO, THEREFORE, IT'S REALLY EXACTLY WHAT MIKE SAID. 21:34:35 IT THIS WILL REMAIN A HUGE VULNERABILITY BOTH IN THE 21:34:39 PRIMARY, BECAUSE YOU HAVE SOMEONE AGAINST THE ESCALATION 21:34:44 AND 100% RATING BY THE CONSERVATIVE UNION. 21:34:47 HE HAS THE YOUNG APPROACH. HE WILL ACTUALLY PROVE QUITE 21:34:52 FORMIDABLE IF THE WAR IN IRAQ CONTINUES. 21:34:54 >> Larry: DAVID GERGEN, IS IRAQ GOING TO BE THE WIN AND THE LOSS 21:34:58 OF THIS ELECTION? >> I THINK ARIANA IS RIGHT THAT 21:35:04 IT COULD AFFECT THE ELECTIONS IN NOVEMBER 2008. 21:35:07 AT THIS POINT GIULIANI IS NOT FOCUSING ON 2008. 21:35:10 HE NEEDS TO WIN THE NOMINATION. IN THAT SENSE HE'S IN THE SAME 21:35:13 BOAT -- THE THREE FRONT RUNGSERS, AS ARIANA JUST POINTED 21:35:19 OUT FROM THE REPUBLICAN SIDE ARE ALL FOR THE SURGE. 21:35:21 IT'S NOT THE WORE THAT WILL DEFINE WHO WINS THE NOMINATION 21:35:24 SO MUCH. I THINK IT WILL -- ONCE YOU GET 21:35:26 THE NOMINATION, YOU HAVE A WHOLE NEW BALLGAME. 21:35:30 THEN THE WAR DOES WEIGH HEAVILY AGAINST REPUBLICANS. 21:35:33 YOU COULD EASILY SEE AN ELECTION IN 2008, LARRY, WHOEVER THE 21:35:37 REPUBLICAN NOMINEE IS WILL GET SWAMPED BY THE WAR AND 21:35:40 REPUBLICANS COULD LOSE A LOT OF GROUND IN THE HOUSE AND SENATE 21:35:42 AND YOU COULD HAVE A DEMOCRAT COMING IN WITH A BIG, BIG 21:35:46 MARGIN. BUT WE ARE STILL TWO YEARS AWAY. 21:35:49 LONG WAYS AWAY. RUDY GIULIANI IS RIGHT, THE WAR 21:35:51 POSITION WILL NOT DEFINE HIM NOW. 21:35:54 CAN HE WIN OVER THE E CONSERVATIVES AND WIN OVER THEIR 21:35:58 SUPPORT TO MAKE IT THROUGH THE PRIMARIES? 21:36:00 >> Larry: AMY, IS YOUR PARTY IN BIG TROUBLE? 21:36:01 >> I THINK 2008 IS WIDE OPEN AND THE WAR QUESTION IS A 21:36:05 COMPLICATED QUESTION FOR THE DEMOCRATIC SITD AS WELL. 21:36:07 WE ARE SEEING THAT PLAYED OUT WITH BARACK OBAMA AND HILLARY 21:36:09 CLINTON. BARACK BEING STAUNCHLY ANTI-WAR 21:36:12 AND BEING A FAVORITE OF THE BASE OF HIS PARTY AND HILLARY CLINTON 21:36:15 BEING ASKED OVER AND OVER AND OVER ABOUT HER VOTE IN THE 21:36:19 SENATE TO GIVE THE PRESIDENT AUTHORIZATION TO GO TO WAR. 21:36:22 I THINK GIULIANI PROMOTING THE SURGE IS SHOWING HIS LOYALTY AND 21:36:28 SUPPORT OF THE PRESIDENT AS COMMANDER IN CHIEF. 21:36:30 THE SURGE WILL PLAY OUT AND SIX MONTHS FROM NOW, EIGHT MONTHS 21:36:33 FROM NOW, GIULIANI, CAN MAKE A POLICY DEPENDING ON HOW THAT 21:36:39 SURGE WORKED. I DON'T THINK HIS POSITION TODAY 21:36:41 ON THE SURGE WILL DETERMINE HIS OUTCOME IN 2008. 21:36:44 >> Larry: WE WILL TAKE A BREAK AND COME BACK AND TALK ABOUT THE 21:36:47 DEMOCRATS. AND WE WILL ALSO INCLUDE YOUR 21:36:48 PHONE CALLS ON THIS EDITION OF "LARRY KING LIVE." 21:36:52 DON'T GO AWAY. T. 21:38:43 G CALLS FROM SPRIN 21:38:45 SAVES US ENOUGH MONE TO COV OTHER COSTS. 21:38:47 - LIKE? - LI YOUR NEPHEW. 21:38:56 TH. SPRINT H 21:38:58 FREENCOMING PLANS. CARRIE DON. OTR NS 21:39:02 NOW BUONE NYO 7000 ANGET FOUR FRE 21:39:04 VISIsprint.com/bines >> Larry: FOUR OF THE BEST OF 21:39:48 THE BUSINESS, MICHAEL ISIKOFF, ARIANA HUFFINGTON, AMY HOLMES. 21:39:54 MR. ISIKOFF, GIVE ME YOUR VIEW OF THE DEMOCRATIC PICTURE. 21:39:57 >> WELL, HILLARY CLINTON IS THE FRONT RUNNER. 21:39:59 BUT, OBVIOUSLY, SHE HAS AN IRAQ PROBLEM OF HER OWN. 21:40:02 IT'S THE QUESTION SHE'S GETTING ASKED ABOUT THE MOST EVERY TIME 21:40:08 SHE GOES AND SPEAK. SHE HAS YET TO BE ABLE TO GO AND 21:40:12 GIVE AS DIRECT AN ANSWER AS JOHN ETD WARDS HAS, STARTING WITH THE 21:40:16 WORDS, "I MADE A MISTAKE." THAT'S A CONSTITUTIONALLY VERY 21:40:21 DIFFICULT THING F. NOT IMPOSSIBLE THING, FOR HILLARY 21:40:23 CLINTON TO SAY. I THINK PEOPLE ARE TRYING TO 21:40:25 PUSH HER INTO SAYING THAT. THE INTERESTING DYNAMIC IS TO 21:40:30 WATCH AS THAT PLAYS OUT -- WILL SHE FINALLY BE ABLE TO BRING 21:40:34 HERSELF TO UTTER WORDS THAT ARE CLEARLY UNCOMFORTABLE FOR HER? 21:40:38 >> Larry: WHY IS THAT SO URGENT, ARIANNA? 21:40:45 WHY CAN'T SHE SAY I VOTED FOR HER BECAUSE OF INFORMATION I WAS 21:40:47 GIVEN AND BECAUSE OF THAT INFORMATION, I HAD WRONG 21:40:49 INFORMATION, AND THAT'S WHY VOIGHTED. 21:40:52 MY MISTAKE -- >> NOT TO BE ABLE TO SAY I MADE 21:40:55 A MISTAKE IS SUCH A FUNDAMENTAL PROBLEM ABOUT HER AND HER 21:40:59 CAMPAIGN. MARK PENN TRIED TO EXPLAIN BY 21:41:02 SAYING IT'S IMPORTANT FOR HER TO KEEP SAYING IT'S THE PRESIDENT'S 21:41:06 MISTAKE. EVERYBODY KNOWS IT'S THE 21:41:07 PRESIDENT'S MISTAKE BUT IT'S ALSO THE MISTAKE OF THOSE 21:41:09 DEMOCRATS WHO VOTES FOR THE WAR, DESPITE ALL OF THE INFORMATION 21:41:12 THEY HAD AVAILABLE TO THEM. AFTER ALL 21 SENATOR DID NOT 21:41:18 VOTE, DEMOCRATIC SENATORS, TO AUTHORIZE THE WAR. 21:41:21 CLEARLY THEY HAD BETTER JUDGMENT THAN WHAT HE WE KNOW NOW. 21:41:24 ONE OF THEM PAUL, RUNNING FOR ALSO, HAD THE GUTS TO VOTE 21:41:31 AGAINST THE ORGANIZATION. >> Larry: DAVID GERGEN, SHE SAID 21:41:34 SHE WASN'T VOTING FOR THE WAR. SHE WAS -- SHE WASN'T VOTING 21:41:37 DIRECTLY TO GO TO WAR. >> WELL, LISTEN, LET'S GIVE 21:41:44 CREDIT TO MRS. CLINTON IN ONE SENSE. 21:41:46 A MONTH AGO IN THAT SAME "USA TODAY" GALLOP POLL SHE WAS AHEAD 21:41:49 OF BARACK OBAMA BY ABOUT 11 POINTS AND NOW SHE OPENED UP A 21:41:54 LEAD OF 19 POINTS. SHE'S DOING SOMETHING RIGHT AND 21:41:56 ONE HAS TO RECOGNIZE THAT UP FRONT. 21:41:58 I DO BELIEVE THAT THE WAY SHE'S ANSWERING THESE IRAQ QUESTIONS 21:42:00 WILL COME BACK TO HAUNT HER WITH THE VOTERS. 21:42:03 WHEN SHE VOTED FOR THE RESOLUTION ON IRAQ, IT WAS 21:42:06 PERFECTLY OBVIOUS TO EVERYBODY, WE ARE ABOUT TO GO TO WAR AND 21:42:10 THIS IS A VOTE TO AUTHORIZE. WHEN YOU START PARSING THAT TOO 21:42:13 MUCH OR QUALIFYING IT TOO MUCH, BEING TOO CUTE WITH IT, I THINK 21:42:16 YOU LOOK LIKE YOU'RE TRYING TO -- YOU'RE IN EFFECT NOT 21:42:20 CLINIC. I THINK WHAT WILL WORK THIS YEAR 21:42:24 AS PETER HART AND OTHERS REMIND US, AUTHENTICITY MATTERS. 21:42:27 I THINK SHE WILL BE BETTER, AS ARIANA SAID, COME RIGHT OUT 21:42:33 SANE, SHE MAD A MISTAKE. LOOK AT THE WAY RUDY GIULIANI 21:42:36 HANDLED THAT. LOOK, WE ALL MAKE MISTAKES. 21:42:38 LEARN FROM THAT AND MOVE ON. SNEADS TO MOVE ON FROM IT. 21:42:41 I THINK TO PLAY GAMES WITH WORDS ON THIS IS A MISTAKE FOR HER IN 21:42:44 THE LONG RUN. IT WILL COME BACK TO HAUPT HER. 21:42:47 >> Larry: AMY HOLMES, BUT MIGHT SHE STILL HAVE THE NOMINATION? 21:42:51 >> SHE MAY. SHE HAS A VERY FORMIDABLE 21:42:53 MACHINE THAT IS ROLLING UP SUPPORT. 21:42:56 SHE HAS TERRY McCALL AS HER CAMPAIGN MANAGER. 21:43:00 THE CLINTONS HAVE BEEN KNOWN AS PRETTY SMOOTH OPERATORS. 21:43:04 BILL CLINTON WON THE ELECTION TWICE. 21:43:05 PART OF THE PROBLEM, THOUGH, SHE ALSO HAS A LONG RECORD OF GIVING 21:43:08 VERY FIERY SPEECHES ABOUT THE THREAT THAT SADDAM POSED AND HER 21:43:12 HUSBAND, FORMER PRESIDENT. HE HIMSELF SAID THAT SADDAM 21:43:15 HUSSEIN WAS PURSUING WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION. 21:43:18 THESE A REAL CONUNDRUM FOR HILLARY CLINTON CONTINUE WILL BE 21:43:22 HARD FOR HER TO RIGHT THAT SQUARE. 21:43:24 >> Larry: MR. ISIKOFF, CAN BARACK OBAMA CLOSE R CLOSE THE 21:43:27 GAP? >> SURE HE CAN. 21:43:29 SHE'S UNTESTED BUT HE'S CLEARLY CREATED A LOT OF EXCITEMENT OUT 21:43:34 THERE. ACTUALLY, THE MOST INTERESTING 21:43:36 DYNAMIC AT THE MOMENT IS EDWARDS. 21:43:39 TOO BAD HE ISN'T HERE YET BUT THE WAY HE'S BEEN ANSWERING, 21:43:42 AFTER SAYING, "I MADE A MISTAKE," WHEN HE'S ASKED TO 21:43:46 EXPLAIN HOW HE CAME TO THAT MISTAKE, HE HAS SAID, WELL, I 21:43:49 WAS LISTENING TO FORMER CLINTON ADMINISTRATION OFFICIALS, 21:43:55 ADVISING ME THAT I SHOULD VOTE FOR THE WAR. 21:43:57 AND THAT'S TRUE. ALMOST ALL OF THE TOP NATIONAL 21:44:00 SECURITY ADVISORS TO PRESIDENT CLINTON WERE SUPPORTIVE OF THE 21:44:05 WAR RESOLUTION. AND THAT'S A BIG REASON WHY 21:44:07 HILLARY CLINTON WAS VOTING FOR IT AS WELL. 21:44:12 SO IT'S IN VERY SUBTLE WAYS, JOHN EDWARDS IS SORT OF TAKING A 21:44:16 SHOT AT THE FORMER CLINTON ADMINISTRATION. 21:44:18 I THINK HILLARY CLINTON IS A LITTLE RELUCTANT TO EMBRACE THAT 21:44:22 FOR OBVIOUS REASONS. >> AND ALSO, IF YOU LOOK AT THE 21:44:28 WAY THE WAR IS GOING TO PLAY IN THE PRIMARY, OBVIOUSLY OBAMA IS 21:44:33 IN THE STRONGEST POSITION. HE'S CONSISTENTLY AGAINST THE 21:44:36 WAR. HIS SPEECH THAT HE GAVE IN 2002 21:44:38 AGAINST THE WAR IS A VERY POWERFUL SPEECH IN WHICH HE SAYS 21:44:42 CLEARLY, "I'M NOT AGAINST ALL WARS. 21:44:44 I'M AGAINST DUMB WARS. AND IRAQ IS A DUMB WAR." 21:44:48 HE CAULKED VERY PRESENTLY ABOUT WHAT WILL HAPPEN, HOW IMPOSSIBLE 21:44:51 IT WAS FOR US TO PREDICT WHAT WOULD HAPPEN ONCE WE INVADED. 21:44:54 IN THAT SENSE HE DOESN'T HAVE TO DO THE KIND OF EXPLAINING THAT 21:44:57 EVEN JOHN EDWARDS HAS TO DO, AS HE HAD TO DO ON "MEET THE 21:45:03 PRESS." TEN TO 15 MINUTES OF TIM RUSSERT 21:45:05 PUTTING UP ON THE SCREEN PREVIOUS STATEMENTS SUPPORTING 21:45:07 THE WAR AND HIM HAVING TO ANSWER THEM. 21:45:09 OBAMA CAN JUMP OVER ALL OF THAT AND CAN COME DIRECTLY TO WHERE 21:45:14 WE ARE TODAY. >> Larry: DOES THE AMERICAN 21:45:15 PUBLIC WANT TO PULL OUT? >> ABSOLUTELY. 21:45:17 THE MAJORITY OF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE WANT TO PULL OUT IN A 21:45:19 RESPONSIBLE WAY. NOT IRRESPONSIBLY WANTS TO PULL 21:45:22 OUT OVERNIGHT. OF COURSE, JOHN EDWARDS HAS 21:45:28 PROPOSED FUNDING AND MAKING IT CLEAR THERE WILL BE NO MILITARY 21:45:30 BASES IN IRAQ. HE'S TAKEN A REAL LEADERSHIP 21:45:33 ROLE THERE. >> Larry: HOLD ON ONE SECOND, 21:45:35 AMY. IT APPEARS SENATOR EDWARDS MAY 21:45:37 NOT BE ABLE TO MAKE IT IN THIS TRAFFIC. 21:45:41 WE SHALL FORGE FORTH. LET'S CHECK IN WITH JOHN 21:45:45 ROBERTS. HE WILL BE HOSTING FOR "ANDERSON 21:45:47 COOPER 360" AT THE TOP OF THE HOUR. 21:45:48 >> SORRY TO HEAR ABOUT JOHN EDWARD NOT MAKING IT. 21:45:51 WE HAVE A LOT TO TALK ABOUT. WEATHER AND ANNA NICOLE SMITH 21:45:54 STORY. AND A LOT OF TALK ABOUT IRAQ AND 21:45:56 TIES TO IRAN. TOE WE KNOW WHAT LED UP TO A 21:45:58 BRIEFING IN BAGHDAD THAT RATCHETED UP THE CASE FOR A RAR 21:46:01 WITH IRAN. EVERYONE FROM THE PRESIDENT ON 21:46:03 DOWN HAS BEEN BACKING AWAY OR ROW STATING WHAT WAS SAID AT 21:46:08 THAT BRIEFING. TODAY WE LEARNED HOW IT CAME TO 21:46:10 HAPPEN AND ONE BRIEFER WASN'T LITTLE TOO FAR BEYOND WHAT HIS 21:46:14 BOSSES WANTED HIM TO SAY. WE WILL LAY THAT OUT FOR YOU 21:46:17 TONIGHT. " 21:46:20 " "360" AT THE TOP OF THE HOUR. 21:46:22 >> Larry: THAT'S "ANDERSON COOPER 360" AT THE TOP OF THE 21:46:26 HOUR. WE WILL BE RIGHT BACK RIGHT 21:46:27 AFTER THIS. >> I WOULD NOT HAVE STARTED THIS 21:46:29 WAR. AND IF IT'S NOT ENDED BY 2009, 21:46:33 IF I'M PRESIDENT, I WILL END IT. >> THE WAR WAS A TERRIBLE 21:46:39 MISTAKE. IT SHOULD NOT HAVE BEEN 21:46:40 AUTHORIZED. >> THE INCREDIBLE INCOMPETENCE 21:46:42 WITH WHAT HAPPENED IN IRAQ. >> ALL OF THE KING'S HORSES, ALL 21:46:46 OF THE KING'S MEN, CANNOT HOLD IRAQ TOGETHER. 21:46:48 >> OUR SOLDERS MUST STAND FOR US IN THE FIELD. 21:46:50 WE MUST STAND FOR US IN THE LEGISLATURE. 21:46:52 >> MORE TROOPS NOT THE ANSWER. . 21:47:00 . E >>> I WOULD GIVE THEM MASS 21:49:36 SUPPORT. I WOULD NOT PULL THEM THE 21:49:38 SUPPORT RIGHT NOW. >> WE CAN ACHIEVE SUCCESS IN 21:49:40 IRAQ. THIS IS NOT JUST AN INCREASE IN 21:49:42 TROOPS. >> OUR WISEST COURSE IS TO SEEK 21:49:44 STABILITY IN IRAQ. >> I THINK WE HAVE GOT TO STAY 21:49:47 IN AND GET THE JOB DONE, BUT WE HAVE GOT TO DO IT TOGETHER. 21:49:50 >> SO WE ARE TRYING TO CHANGE THE WORLD FOR FREEDOM. 21:49:55 >> Larry: DAVID GERGEN, WHAT DO YOU MAKE OF THIS HOUSE VOTE 21:49:58 FRIDAY IN WHICH THEY WILL SAY TO THE PRESIDENT, WE DON'T LIKE 21:50:00 WHAT YOU'RE DOING? >> IT'S A VERY SIGNIFICANT VOTE, 21:50:05 LARRY. THE CONGRESS HAS NOT REGISTERED 21:50:07 ANY REAL PROTESTS AGAINST THE WAR IN FOUR LONG YEARS. 21:50:11 THEY WENT ON THE RECORD, OF COURSE, EARLY ON, ESPECIALLY THE 21:50:14 SENATE VOTE, TO SUPPORT THE WAR AND GIVE THE PRESIDENT THE GREEN 21:50:16 LIGHT. NOW THE HOUSE IS GOING TO BE 21:50:20 FLASHING A STRONG ORANGE LIGHT. "SLOW DOWN, CAUTION, DON'T DO 21:50:24 THIS." NOW, I FOUND VERY STRIKING TODAY 21:50:27 THAT THE PRESIDENT IN HIS PRESS CONFERENCE BASICALLY DISMISSED 21:50:31 THIS. WHO CARES? 21:50:33 A LOT OF KIVTIVES TWO WEEKS AGO SAID THIS WILL BE A TERRIBLE 21:50:36 THING IF YOU VOTE FOR THIS. YOU WILL BE GIVING INCOMING FOR 21:50:41 THE ENEMY AND DEMORALIZING TROOPS. 21:50:43 THE PRESIDENT SAID, THE ONLY THING I CARE ABOUT, WILL THEY 21:50:46 BIND MY HANDS IN TERMS OF MONEY? HE'S IN EFFECT CONCEDED DEFEAT 21:50:49 AND IT REALLY HAS MADE IT A LOT EASIER FOR REPUBLICANS TO GO AND 21:50:52 VOTE FOR IT. WE COULD EASILY SEE ON THE 21:50:56 HOUSE -- IN THE HOUSE VOTE AT LEAST TWO DOZEN REPUBLICANS -- 21:50:59 AND I THINK AFTER THE PRESIDENT CONCEDED DEFEAT TODAY, IT COULD 21:51:03 WELL GO ABOVE THAT. >> Larry: ALE HOLMES, RUDY 21:51:07 GIULIANI SAID THE ONLY THING HE DOESN'T LIKE ABOUT IT IS IT'S 21:51:10 NONBINDING? >> BECAUSE HE WAS POINTING OUT 21:51:13 IF THE DEMOCRATS REALLY DO OPPOSE THIS WAR, THEY OUT TO BE 21:51:16 PASSING BINDING RESOLUTION AND NOT SOMETHING MERELY SYMBOLIC. 21:51:20 BUT I THINK THE DEMOCRATS ARE MAKING A SEVERE MISTE, 21:51:23 ESPECIALLY IF THEY PASS BINDING RESOLUTION TO CUT FUNDING. 21:51:26 FIRST OF ALL "THE WALL STREET JOURNAL" SHOWS THE AMERICAN 21:51:28 PUBLIC DOES NOT WANT TO CUT FUNDS TO THE TROOPS THAT. 21:51:31 WILL MAKE DEMOCRATS VERY VULNERABLE. 21:51:33 SECONDLY, IF THE SURGE WERE TO FAIL, THEY WOULD BE COMPLICIT IN 21:51:36 THAT FAILURE BECAUSE THEY MIGHT HAVE CAPPED TROOPS WHEN EXTRA 21:51:39 TROOPS ARE NEEDED. PETRAEUS SAID THE EXTRA TROOPS 21:51:42 ARE ESSENTIAL OR IF THEY CUT FUNDING, THEY PUT THEMSELVES IN 21:51:44 A POSITION OF HAVING THEIR SO-CALLED WAR STRATEGY FAIL IN 21:51:49 IRAQ. >> Larry: MICHAEL ISIKOFF, WHAT 21:51:51 DO YOU MAKE OF THE CANDIDACY OF AL FRANKEN IN MINNESOTA? 21:51:55 >> I -- I GOT NOTHING FOR YOU ON THAT ONE. 21:51:58 BUT JUST, LOOK, ON THE RESOLUTION, IT'S NONBINDING SO 21:52:03 THE DEMOCRATS ARE NOT CUTTING OFF FUNDING AT THIS STAGE. 21:52:08 AND AMY IS RIGHT, THERE IS A RISK WERE THEY TO DO THAT IF 21:52:13 THEY STARTED TO MOVE IN THAT DIRECTION, THIS COULD COME 21:52:18 IMPLICIT. BUT YOU LOOK AT THE REDICK 21:52:21 COMING OUT FROM DEFENDING THE PRESIDENT, TALKING ABOUT HOW THE 21:52:25 CATASTROPHIC CONSEQUENCES OF A PULLOUT OF IRAQ AND HOW THIS IS 21:52:28 A KEY PART OF THE GLOBAL WAR ON TERROR. 21:52:30 AGAIN, I WANT TO TAKE YOU BACK TO -- LET'S GO BACK TO WHAT IS 21:52:34 THE PICTURE GOING TO LOOK LIKE SIX MONTHS DOWN THE ROAD? 21:52:36 EVERY ONE OF THESE HOUSE MEMBERS IS GOING TO BE UP FOR 21:52:40 RE-ELECTION. IF WE DON'T SEE MEASURABLE SIGNS 21:52:43 OF PROGRESS, THESE GUYS AND WOMEN WILL BE LOOKING AT RUNNING 21:52:46 FOR A WAR THAT IS COMPLETELY LOST THE SUPPORT OF THE AMERICAN 21:52:51 PUBLIC. >> IF YOU LIKE AT CHRIS CHASHGS 21:52:52 IT'S NOT JUST THAT. THEY ARE ALSO TALKING ABOUT IT'S 21:52:56 UNKONS TOOGSAL FOR THE CONGRESS TO BE USURPING THE POWER OF THE 21:52:59 COMMANDER IN CHIEF TO WAGE THIS WAR. 21:53:01 HE WAS GIVEN AUTHORIZATION BY THE UNITED STATES SENATE AND THE 21:53:04 UNITED STATES CONGRESS IN ORDER TO DO THIS. 21:53:06 AND YOU CANNOT HAVE 535 CONGRESSMEN AND SENATORS 21:53:10 MICROMANAGING THIS WAR. >> ACTUALLY, THIS IS ABSOLUTELY 21:53:13 NOT TRUE. AND JOHN EDWARDS IN HIS 21:53:17 ABSENCE -- >> Larry: HE COULDN'T MAKE IT, 21:53:20 BY THE WAY. >> HE WAS VERY ELOQUENT ON THIS 21:53:23 SUBJECT TODAY SAYING THERE'S NO WAY THE CONGRESS HAS ACTUALLY 21:53:26 AUTHORIZED THE CONTINUATION OF WHAT IS HAPPENING NOW, WHICH IS 21:53:30 EFFECTUALLY B REFEREEING A WAR. AT THE PRESS CONFERENCE, THE 21:53:35 PRESIDENT REFUSED TO CALL IT A CIVIL WAR. 21:53:37 AS HE PUT IT VERY QUAINTLY, LIVING IN THIS BEAUTIFUL WHITE 21:53:40 HOUSE, HOW CAN HE POSSIBLY KNOW IF THERE'S A CIVIL WAR? 21:53:43 THE TRUTH IS, IT IS A CIVIL WAR. WAY TOO MANY MILITARY EXPERTS 21:53:47 HAVE CALLED IT A CIVIL WAR. WE SEE THE RESULTS EVERY DAY. 21:53:50 THE FACT IS THE TROOPS ARE THERE REFEREEING A CIVIL WAR. 21:53:53 >> Larry: I HAVE TO GET A BREAK. WHEN I COME BACK, I WANT TO ASK 21:53:57 YOU ABOUT AL FRANKEN. IN YOUR OLD CONSERVATIVE DAYS 21:53:59 YOU DID A GREAT BIT WITH AL FRANKEN. 21:54:02 YOU BOTH WERE IN BED TOGETHER ARGUING. 21:54:03 >> WAIT UNTIL THAT COMES OUT. IT WILL SINK HIS CAMPAIGN! 21:54:07 >> Larry: WAIT UNTIL THAT COMES OUT. 21:54:09 FRANKEN IS DONE. AS WE GO TO BREAK, HERE'S 21:54:12 PRESIDENT BUSH AT THE PRESS CONFERENCE. 21:54:15 >> THERE ARE WEAPONS IN IRAQ THAT ARE HARMING U.S. TROOPS 21:54:17 BECAUSE OF THE KKD FOERZ. AS YOU KNOW THE KUDZ FORCE IS 21:54:30 PART OF THE IRANIAN GOVERNMENT. WHETHER AHMADINEJAD ENFORCED 21:54:33 THIS, WE DON'T KNOW. BUT AS YOU KNOW THEY ARE THERE 21:54:35 AND I INTEND TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT. 21:54:40 T IT GOT US DOING MORE TO PROCT OUR HEALTH... 21:54:42 LI TAKING SILV. [ Announcer ] CENTM SILVER 21:54:43 AGE JUSTED MULTIVITAMI... HAVE KEY ANTIODANTS THAT HELP 21:54:46 SUPPORT NATURAL LL REPAIR. >> Larry: DAVID GERGEN, THE 21:57:16 SCOOTER LIBBY TRIAL IS OVER. THE JURY TAKES IT TOMORROW. 21:57:20 WHY SO FAST? >> WELL, I WAS STUNNED THAT 21:57:25 SCOOTER LIBBY AND DICK CHENEY BOTH DECIDED NOT TO TESTIFY. 21:57:29 THERE'S ONE THEORY THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT THE DEFENSE ATTORNEYS 21:57:33 THINK THEY ALREADY WON THIS. BUT MANY PEOPLE CAME OUT OF 21:57:37 THE -- OF THE PROSECUTION SIDE THINKING THAT THE PROSECUTION 21:57:39 WAS AHEAD IN THIS CASE AND THE SCOOTER LIBBY DEFENSE HAS NOT 21:57:43 BEEN SUFFICIENT. SO IT -- GUESS THEY ARE AVOIDING 21:57:47 POTENTIAL EMBARRASSMENT BUT IT'S NORMALLY THE CASE IF YOU DON'T 21:57:50 PUT YOUR GUY UP THERE ON THE DEFENSE SIDE, YOU GIVE AN AWFUL 21:57:54 LOT TO THE OTHER SIDE. IT MAKES IT MUCH TOUGHER TO WIN 21:57:57 THE CASE. >> Larry: MICHAEL, WHAT IS THE 21:58:00 PRESIDENT, IF ANYTHING, DO ABOUT IRAN? 21:58:02 >> IRAN? YOU KNOW, I THINK THE PRESS 21:58:07 CONFERENCE TODAY WAS VERY REVEALING. 21:58:10 HE WAS FACED WITH THIS CONTRADICTION, WHICH HE HAD TO 21:58:14 ACKNOWLEDGE, THAT WHILE THERE IS THIS EVIDENCE OF IRANIAN 21:58:18 COMPONENTS BEING -- SHOWING UP IN IRAQ, PARTICULARLY THESE -- 21:58:22 THE IMPROVISED EXPLOSIVE DEVICES THAT SEEM TO BE MADE IN IRAN, NO 21:58:26 LEAR EVIDENTIARY TRAIL ON WHETHER THIS IS ORDERED FROM 21:58:30 OFFICIALS OF THE IRANIAN GOVERNMENT, AND IF SO, HOW HIGH 21:58:33 IN THE IRANIAN GOVERNMENT? THAT WAS GENERAL PACE, THE JOINT 21:58:39 CHIEFS, MADE THOSE COMMENTS TODAY AND KIND OF UNDERCUT THE 21:58:42 WHOLE THURSDAY THE OF ADMINISTRATION RHETORIC OVER THE 21:58:46 LAST FEW WEEKS. AND IT JUST LEAVES WHITE OPEN 21:58:48 WHAT THE POLICY IMPLICATIONS OF THIS ARE. 21:58:51 I THINK A LOT OF SKEPTICS AT THIS POINT SEE THE EMPHASIS ON 21:58:56 IRAN AS, AS MUCH A DIVERSION AS ANYTHING ELSE. 21:59:04 i think that a lot of skeptics at this point see the emphasis on Iran as, as much diversionary for political reasons as they do anything else. KING: Amy, what do you make of all of these early debates? HOLMES: I think that they're an opportunity for the American public to see these candidates, but unfortunately, it allows those candidates who are well funded, who have high name I.D., to be able to race out ahead of what they call second and third tier candidates in the Republican Party. That would be Mike Huckabee, for example. So in that -- in that case, then it's not a great -- a great system for being able to see who all of these people are who want to be president of the United States. KING: And we've only got 20 seconds. Are you going to go run home and blog this? HUFFINGTON: Yes, and in fact, the Huffington Post, in partnership with YouTube, are going to put on the first online presidential debate and we're going to get video questions from all around the country, especially young people. KING: An online video debate? HUFFINGTON: Online debate in real time. KING: Thank you all very much. Michael Isikoff, David Gergen, Arianna Huffington, and Amy Holmes. It is Valentine's Day. We don't often get personal on this show, but I want to take a moment and wish a very happy Valentine's to my lovely wife, Shawn, who is not only a great gal and a terrific wife but a partner in life and in love. Much kisses, much happiness. You deserve it. Happy Valentine's Day to the wife. And to all of you with all of yours as well. We now turn it over -- I'm sure he has the same sentiments -- to John Roberts, who will sit in for Anderson Cooper and host "AC 360" -- John. ROBERTS: Hey, Larry, thanks very much. And yes, happy Valentine's Day to my wife and everyone else out there who's celebrating this day.

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[CNN: LARRY KING LIVE - RUDY GIULIANI / JOHN EDWARDS] [LOS ANGELES, ca usa] LARRY KING LIVE FOR WEDNESDAY, FEBRUARY 14, 2007 GUEST: FORMER NEW YORK MAYOR RUDOLPH GIULIANI / RUDY GIULIANI AND JOHN EDWARDS TALK ABOUT THEIR PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGNS. 21:00:23 >> Larry: TONIGHT -- RUDY GIULIANI ANSWERS THE BIG ONE. 21:00:26 ARE YOU RUNNING OR NOT? >> YEAH, I'M RUNNING. 21:00:28 >> Larry: WHAT WOULD HE DO AS AMERICA'S NEXT PRESIDENT? 21:00:30 HOW ABOUT IRAQ, ABORTION, GAY RIGHTS AND MORE? 21:00:35 NEW YORK'S FORMER MAYOR TAKES ON SOME TOUGH QUESTIONS. 21:00:39 >> OF COURSE, THEY WERE MISTAKES. 21:00:42 >> Larry: PLUS, DEMOCRATIC PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE JOHN 21:00:44 EDWARDS ON THE CONTROVERSY THAT HAD SOME CALLING HIS CAMPAIGN 21:00:50 ANTI-CATHOLIC. IT'S ALL NEXT ON "LARRY KING 21:00:51 LIVE." GOOD EVENING. 21:01:01 WE WELCOME TO "LARRY KING LIVE" A OLD FRIEND, RUDY GIULIANI, WHO 21:01:05 HAS FORMED AN EXPLORATORY COMMIT DWROI A 2008 RACE WHICH USUALLY 21:01:11 LEADS TO AN ADVISORY COMMITTEE AND MAYBE COMMIT KBRI. 21:01:14 ARE YOU RUNNING OR NOT? >> I'M RUN. 21:01:16 >> Larry: ARE YOU MAKING AN OFFICIAL ANNOUNCEMENT OR IS THIS 21:01:19 IT? HERE RIGHT NOW? 21:01:20 >> I GUESS YOU DO ONE OF THESE THINGS FOUR, FIVE TIMES IN A DAY 21:01:24 SO I CAN GET ON YOUR SHOW AND ABOUT FIVE OTHERS. 21:01:27 >> Larry: SO YOU'RE RUN SOMETHING. 21:01:28 >> YEAH. >> Larry: FINAL -- WHAT LED TO 21:01:30 THE DECISION? >> I THINK I CAN MAKE A 21:01:32 DIFFERENCE. I BELIEVE THE COUNTRY NEEDS 21:01:33 LEADERSHIP. I THINK WE ARE GOING THROUGH A 21:01:38 WAR ON TERROR OR TERRORISTS' WAR AGAINST US, WHICH MAYBE IS A 21:01:41 BETTER WAY TO DESCRIBE IT. WE HAVE LOTS OF PROBLEMS WE HAVE 21:01:44 TO TACKLE AND RESOLVEMENT WE NEED FISCAL DISCIPLINE. 21:01:47 WE NEED BETTER EDUCATION. WE NEED ENERGY INDEPENDENCE. 21:01:50 THERE ARE SO MANY THINGS WE HAVE NOT SORT OF TACKLED. 21:01:53 ONE OF THE THINGS I DO IS -- >> Larry: TACKLE THINGS. 21:01:57 >> TACKLE THINGS, LEAD. TRY TO GET THINGS DONE. 21:02:03 >> Larry: CUT TO THE TRUTH, YOU'RE SAYING I'M THE BEST. 21:02:06 IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAY SOMETHING. 21:02:07 >> YES, AND VERY HUMBLING. IT TAKES A LONG TIME TO COME TO 21:02:11 THE:COLLUSION WITH ALL OF YOUR IMPERFECTION, ALL OF THE THINGS 21:02:14 WE ALL ARE. NONE OF DOUSE EVERYTHING ELSE. 21:02:17 NONE OF US ARE PERFECT. YOU HAVE TO SAY TO YOURSELF IS 21:02:25 THIS SOMETHING TO DO? FOR A KID FROM BROOKLYN, 21:02:27 SOMETIMES YOU SAY, GEE, IS THIS REALLY HAPPEN SOMETHING AND 21:02:29 OTHER TIMES YOU WAKE UP AND SAY,KY DO THIS. 21:02:32 >> Larry: LET'S GET TO SOME ISSUES. 21:02:34 A LEADING INDUSTRIALIST FRIEND OF MINE SAYS, IF THE UNITED 21:02:37 STATES WAS A CORPORATION, BASED ON THE IRAQ WAR, EVERYBODY ON 21:02:40 TOP WOULD BE FIRE. HOW WOULD YOU COMMENT ON THAT? 21:02:43 IN OTHER WORDS, MEANING IT AIN'T GOING RIGHT. 21:02:44 >> THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN TRUE -- HE WOULD HAVE SAID THE SAME 21:02:47 THING ABOUT THE CIVIL WAR AND ABRAHAM LINCOLN WOULD HAVE BEEN 21:02:50 FIRED AND MIGHT HAVE SAID THE SAME THING ABOUT THE BATTLE OF 21:02:53 THE BULGE AND EISENHOWER AND MARSH ALL WOULD HAVE BEEN FIRED. 21:02:57 >> Larry: ARE YOU SAYING THIS WILL ALL TURN AROUND? 21:02:59 >> I'M NOT CONFIDENT IT WILL ALL TURN AROUND. 21:03:01 WHO KNOWS THAT? YOU NEVER KNOW THAT IN A MIDDLE 21:03:04 OF A WAR. I'M CONFIDENT WE HAVE TO TRY TO 21:03:09 MAKE IT TURN AROUND. WE CAN'T JUST WALK OUT. 21:03:12 IT'S CRITICAL TO US THAT THINGS GET TO THE POINT IN IRAQ WHERE 21:03:15 WE HAVE SOME DEGREE OF STABILITY AND NOT WAY THEY ARE NOW. 21:03:18 IF WE LEAVE IT THE WAY IT IS NOW AND WE RUN OUT, THEN WE WILL 21:03:22 FACE FURTHER DIFFICULTIES IN THE FUTURE. 21:03:24 WE WILL LOSE MORE LIES IN THE FUTURE. 21:03:25 I WILL TELL YOU WHO TELLS ME THAT, A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO HAVE 21:03:28 BEEN THERE. WAYS JUST IN SAN DIEGO SPEAKING 21:03:31 TO SAILORS AND MARINES THAT HAVE BEEN IN IRAQ. 21:03:33 THAT'S WHAT THEY TELL ME. THEY TELL ME, LOOK, THIS IS A 21:03:37 VOLUNTEER ARMY, YOU WANT TO TAKE OUR ADVICE. 21:03:39 OUR ADVICE IS, GIVE US A CHANCE TO TRY TO STABILIZE THIS THAT 21:03:44 PLACE, OTHERWISE WE KNOW WHAT WILL HAPPEN TWOXT YEARS FROM NOW 21:03:46 YOU WILL SEND US BACK BECAUSE THERE WILL BE A MAJOR WAR IN 21:03:49 THIS AREA. >> Larry: WHAT DO YOU DO TO 21:03:51 CHANGE IT? 20,000 TROOPS GOING TO CHANGE 21:03:53 IT? >> I HOPE THEY CHANGE THE WHOLE 21:03:55 STRATEGY, WHICH I HOPE THEY DID. THE WHOLE STRATEGY HAS TO BE A 21:03:59 STRATEGY OF NOT JUST PACIFYING PLACES BUT HOLDING THEM AND 21:04:05 HOLDING THEM FOR SOME PERIOD OF TIME. 21:04:06 IT REMINDS ME A LITTLE, ON A MUCH BIGGER SCALE, WHAT I HAD TO 21:04:10 DO TO REDUCE CRIME IN NEW YORK CITY. 21:04:12 WE HAD TO NOT JUST GO INTO NEIGHBORHOODS AND NATH SAFE, 21:04:16 WHICH THE CITY HAD BEEN DOING FOR YEARS. 21:04:17 THE CITY HAD BEEN GOING IN THERE MAKING THEM SAFE AND LEAVING AND 21:04:20 GOING TO OTHER PLACES. MAKE IT SAFE, LEAVE. 21:04:22 WE HAVE TO GO, MAKE IT SAFE AND IN THE AREAS, DISTRICTS OF 21:04:26 BAGHDAD, AND STAY THERE FOR A PERIOD OF TIME AND STABILIZE IT 21:04:30 AND ALLOW PEOPLE TO HAVE THEIR KIDS GO TO SCHOOL. 21:04:34 WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, THERE WAS A REAL DOUBT AS TO WHETHER WE 21:04:41 COULD DO THIS NATION BUILDING. LOW PRESSURE WE WERE NOT GOING 21:04:45 TO DO IT. >> AND IT'S REALLY HARD TO DO 21:04:49 AND DIFFERENT THAN THE MILITARY HAD TO DO IN THE PAST OR 21:04:51 AMERICA. BUT RIGHT NOW IF WE DON'T DO A 21:04:53 BETTER JOB OF STABILIZING IRAQ, NOT JUST FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE 21:04:57 IRAQI PEOPLE, FOR THE BENEFIT OF OUR PEOPLE, THEN WE HAVE A 21:05:01 COUNTRY WHERE IRAN HAS GOT A MAJOR, MAJOR ABILITY TO EXPAND 21:05:05 THEIR ACTIVITIES. TWO SHIITE COUNTRIES RIGHT NEXT 21:05:08 TO EACH OTHER, SLAUGHTERING -- ONE GROUP AT LEAST, IS 21:05:12 SLAUGHTERING SUNNIS. >> Larry: WOULD YOU AGREE, MR. 21:05:14 MAYOR, IF THEY HAD TO DO THIS ALL OVER AGAIN, GO BACK YEARS, 21:05:18 NOBODY WOULD VOTE FOR THE IRAQ WAR. 21:05:22 100 TO NOTHING PROBABLY IN THE SENATE. 21:05:24 >> I GUESS. BUT I'M NOT SURE THAT EXPLAINS 21:05:26 WHAT'S RIGHT ABOUT US. THE IDEA OF TAKING OUT SADDAM 21:05:30 HUSSEIN WAS ONE THAT WAS PREMISED ON THE FACT THAT HE 21:05:33 INVADED KUWAIT, THAT HE USED CHEMICAL WEAPONS, THAT HE HAD 21:05:37 BILLIONS OF DOLLARS AT HIS DISPOSAL, WHICH HE USED TO 21:05:40 SUPPORT VARIOUS PARTS OF THIS ISLAMIC TERRORIST MOVEMENT. 21:05:44 >> Larry: YOU'RE NOT SAYING YOU WOULD DO IT AGAIN? 21:05:46 >> I WOULD REMOVE SADDAM HUSSEIN AGAIN. 21:05:48 I JUST HOPE WE DO IT BETTER AND IN A DIFFERENT WAY. 21:05:50 WE DO THE NATION BUILDING PART OR THE HANDOFF TO THE IRAQIS OR 21:05:55 REBUILDING OF THE IRAQIS -- HERE ARE THE THINGS I HAVE LEARNED 21:05:59 FROM IT. I 21:06:02 I WOULD TAKE OUT SADDAM HUSSEIN IN A SECOND AGAIN. 21:06:04 I THINK THE WORLD IS MUCH BETTER OFF WITHOUT SADDAM HUSSEIN THAN 21:06:06 WITH HIM. I THINK SOME OF THE CONFUSION 21:06:08 DOES NOT LEAD US TO REALLY SEE THAT. 21:06:10 HERE'S WHAT I WOULD CHANGE -- DO IT WITH MORE TROOPS -- 21:06:13 >> Larry: WHEN WAS RECOMMENDED AND TURNED DOWN. 21:06:17 >> MAYBE 150,000 MORE. WOULD I DO IT IN A WAY WHICH WE 21:06:21 DID NOT DISBAND THE ARMY, WHICH WE LEARNED. 21:06:23 THIS IS ALL MONDAY MORNING QUARTERBACKING BUT THE MONDAY 21:06:25 MOERN QB, IN ORDER TO PLAY THE NEXT GAME BETTER, MONDAY MORE 21:06:30 THAN QUARTERBACK, YOU JUST WANT TO CRITICIZE, CHEAP STUFF. 21:06:33 MONDAY MORNING QUARTERBACK NEXT SATURDAY OR SUNDAY SO YOU CAN 21:06:35 PLAY BETTER IS ABSOLUTELY RIGHT. I WOULD -- I WOULD HAVE US NOT 21:06:40 DISBAND THE ARMY. YOU WOULD NOT DEBADGE PHI. 21:06:44 SEE, IT SOUNDS LIKE THE RIGHT THING TO DO. 21:06:46 YOU'RE GETTING RID OF ALL OF THE SOLD ZAMD GUYS BUT THAT MEANT 21:06:50 GETTING RID OF THE ENTIRE CIVIL SERVICE. 21:06:53 THE COUNTRY HAD NO INFRASTRUCTURE. 21:06:55 >> Larry: SO WHO DO YOU BLAME, RUMSFELD? 21:06:56 >> I DON'T BLAME ANYBODY. >> Larry: SOMEBODY HAS -- 21:06:59 NOBODY'S TO BLAME? >> YOU DON'T DO IT THAT WAY. 21:07:03 THAT IS WHY YOU DON'T MAKE PROGRESS. 21:07:05 I DON'T BLAME PEOPLE FOR NOT FIGURING OUT SEPTEMBER 11 BEFORE 21:07:07 IT HAPPENED. I KIND OF LOOK AT WHAT HAPPENED 21:07:10 SO YOU LEARN FOR THE FUTURE. >> Larry: THERE WERE MISTAKE 21:07:13 ZBLZ OF COURSE THERE WERE MISTAKES. 21:07:15 LINCOLN MADE MISTAKES. ROOSEVELT MADE MISTAKES. 21:07:17 IDES ENHOUR MADE MISTAKES. THE BATTLE OF THE BULGE WAS THE 21:07:21 BIGGEST INTELLIGENCE IDEA IN THE HISTORY OF AMERICA, MUCH BIGGER 21:07:24 THAN VIETNAM OR NOW. WE DIDN'T KNOW THE SOVIETS WERE 21:07:28 MOVING 400,000, 500,000 TROOPS. >> Larry: SHOULD THEY BE BLAMED 21:07:32 FROM NOT EXPLAINING -- >> LEARN FROM IT. 21:07:35 >> Larry: THE AMERICAN PUBLIC IS SO AGAINST IT. 21:07:36 HAVE THEY DONE A BAD JOB IN EXPLAIN SOMETHING. 21:07:39 >> MAYBE, MAYBE. >> Larry: WOULD YOU COMMUNICATE 21:07:41 BETTER? >> I DON'T KNOW. 21:07:42 I HOPE I WOULD. I HOPE THAT I WOULD LEARN FROM 21:07:45 THE MISTAKES THAT WERE MADE IN THIS SITUATION, LIKE THE 21:07:54 MISTAKES I MAY AS MAYOR, I LEARNED FROM THEM. 21:07:58 IF I AM PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES, I WILL NOT MAKE THE SAME 21:08:02 MISTAKES I WILL LEARN FROM THEM AND MABLG NEW ONES. 21:08:06 AND I WILL LEARN FROM PRESIDENT CLINTON AND GEORGE BUSH. 21:08:09 THIS JOB IS SO DIFFICULT. YOU HAVE TO HAVE HUMILITY ABOUT 21:08:12 IT AND YOU HAVE TO UNDERSTAND HOW TO LOOK AT THE PAST, NOT 21:08:15 ONLY IN A WAY THAT CASTS BLAME, BUT YOU LEARN FROM IT. 21:08:18 >> Larry: THE HOUSE SPARPTLY ABOUT TO VOTE AND WILL VOTE 21:08:20 APPARENTLY, TO SAY THIS 20,000 TROOPS IS A MISTAKE. 21:08:25 IMPORTANT QUESTION -- DO YOU HOLD THOSE WHO VOTE FOR THAT AS 21:08:27 HELPING THE ENEMY? >> NO. 21:08:29 I HOLD THEM AS -- >> Larry: SOME SAY THAT. 21:08:31 YOU DON'T? >> AS PRACTICE, YOU CAN LOOK AT 21:08:34 THE PRACTICAL AND CONCLUSION ANY WAY YOU WAUCHBLT BUT WE HAVE A 21:08:42 RIGHT OF FREE SPEECH THIS THIS COUNTRY. 21:08:44 WE ELECT PEOPLE TO MAKE DECISIONS. 21:08:45 HERE'S WHAT I WOULD PREFER TO SEE THEM DO. 21:08:49 IF YOU ASK ME WHAT'S MY VIEW ON THAT. 21:08:52 THE NONBINDING RESOLUTION THING GETS ME MORE THAN ARE YOU FOR IT 21:08:54 OR AGAINST IT. I HAVE TREMENDOUS RESPECT FOR 21:08:58 THE PEOPLE WHO FEEL THAT WE EITHER MADE A MISTAKE GOING TO 21:09:02 WAR, WHO VOTED AGAINST THE WAR, WHO NOW HAVE COME TO THE 21:09:05 CONCLUSION, CHANGED THEIR MINDS. THEY HAVE EVER RIGHT TO THAT 21:09:09 THAT IT'S WRONG. YOU SHOULD IN A DYNAMIC 21:09:13 SITUATION KEEP QUESTIONING. BUT THERE'S NO DECISION. 21:09:17 >> Larry: IT'S A STATEMENT. >> THAT'S WHAT YOU DO AND WHAT 21:09:21 TIM RUSSERT DOES AND RUSH LIMBAUGH DOES. 21:09:23 MAKE COMMENTS. WE PAK THEM TO MAKE DECISIONS, 21:09:26 NOT JUST TO MAKE COMMENTS. WE PAY THEM TO DECIDE. 21:09:30 THE UNITED STATES CONGRESS DOES DECLARATIONS OF WAR. 21:09:33 >> Larry: IF YOU FEEL THAT WAY, WITHHOLD FUNDS, THAT'S THE WAY 21:09:37 YOU FEEL? >> THE ONES I THINK HAVE A 21:09:39 BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT THEIR RESPONSIBILITY IS ARE -- 21:09:44 AND ARE WILLING TO TAKE A RISK, ARE THE ONES WHO ARE SAYING, WE 21:09:47 HAVE GOT TO HOLD BACK THE FUNDS. WE HAVE TO VOTE AGAINST THE WAR 21:09:51 OR WE ARE FOR THE WAR. MAYBE IT'S BECAUSE I RAN A 21:09:55 GOVERNMENT, AND I TEND TO BE A DECISIVE PERSON. 21:09:57 I LIKE DECISIONS. ONE OF THE THINGS WRONG WITH 21:09:59 WASHINGTON IS, THEY DON'T WANT TO MAKE TOUGH DECISIONS ANYMORE. 21:10:04 NONBINDING RESOLUTION ABOUT IRAQ, NO DECISION ON 21:10:07 IMMIGRATION. NO DECISION ON SOCIAL SECURITY 21:10:09 REFORM. NO DECISION ON WHAT TO DO ABOUT 21:10:11 ENERGY INDEPENDENCE. NO DECISION. 21:10:12 YOU KNOW WHY THAT HAPPENS? BECAUSE IT'S UNPOPULAR. 21:10:15 >> Larry: I HAVE TO TAKE A BREAK. 21:10:17 I DON'T WANT TO TAKE YOUR HEART, BUT IF YOU'RE PRESIDENT, YOU 21:10:21 CANNOT ROOT FOR THE YANKEES. >> YOU HAVE TO MAKE DECISIONS. 21:10:24 >> Larry: YOU HAVE TO ROOT FOR EVERYBODY. 21:10:25 RUDY GIULIANI IS OUR GUEST AND READ CANDIDATE. 21:10:26 HE'S RUNNING! WE WILL BE RIGHT BACK. 21:13:23 >> Larry: LET'S MOVE TO SOME THINGS DOMESTIC. 21:13:27 YOU HAVE HAD SOME CALLS LATELY THAT SEEM CONTRADICTORY. 21:13:30 I KNOW YOU'RE PRO-CHOICE. YOU ARE ALWAYS WHOA CHOICE AND 21:13:34 YET YOU SAID YOU WILL APPOINT JUDGE THAT'S ARE STRICT 21:13:39 CONSTRUCTIST AND THEY DID OVERTURN ROE VS. WADE. 21:13:44 >> DON'T THINK THAT 1234. >> Larry: HOW DO YOU EXPLAIN IS 21:13:48 THAT THAT? >> I'M PRO-CHOICE BUT I'M ALSO, 21:13:52 AS YOU KNOW, AGAINST ABORTION, HATE ABORTION. 21:13:54 DON'T LIKE IT. WOULD NOT PERSONALLY ADVISE 21:13:57 ANYONE TO HAVE ABORTION. BUT I BELIEVE A WOMAN HAS A 21:13:59 RIGHT TO CHOOSE. CAN YOU NOT HAVE CRIMINAL 21:14:01 PENALTIES, AND I THINK THAT WOULD BE WRONG. 21:14:03 I WOULD SELECT JUDGES WHO TRY TO INTERPRET THE CONSTITUTION, 21:14:08 RATHER THAN INVENT IT, FROM MY VIEWS AS A LAWYER AND -- I DON'T 21:14:12 WANT TO SOUND PRESHUM CHEWOUS, I'M NOT A CONSTITUTIONAL LAWYER 21:14:16 BUT I HAVE ARGUED IN THE SUPREME COURT, AND I HAVE ARGUED IN MANY 21:14:21 OF THE CIRCUIT COURTS. SPENT MORE TIME IN COURTS THAN I 21:14:23 HAVE IN POLITICS. I THINK IT'S VERY IMPORTANT AND 21:14:29 FOR A JUDGE TO HAVE A PHILOSOPHICAL POLICY THAT SAIDLY 21:14:32 FIGURE OUT WHAT THE FRAMERS OF THE CONSTITUTION MEANT WHEN THEY 21:14:36 WROTE THIS OR WHAT THEY MEANT WHEN THEY PUT IT IN. 21:14:39 NOT WHAT I WOULD LIKE IT TO MEAN OR I FEEL IT MEANS. 21:14:41 HI THAT VIEW ABOUT THE CRIMINAL LAW. 21:14:43 I THOUGHT A LOT OF DECISIONS OF THE WARREN COURT WERE A MISTAKE. 21:14:47 I THAUS COLLUSIONARY RULE WAS A MISTAKE TOXT SOME EXTENT MIRANDA 21:14:50 WAS A MISTAKE. HERE'S WHAT THE COURT DID WITH 21:14:52 THOSE. A LOT OF PEOPLE THOUGHT WITH THE 21:14:56 BERGER -- >> Larry: LAWYERS LOVE MIRANDA. 21:14:58 MADE CASES MORE SOLID. >> MIRANDA IS OKAY, BUT WHEN 21:15:01 PEOPLE DON'T GIVE A MIRANDA WARNING QUICKLY ENOUGH WHEN 21:15:06 BLURTS OUT A CONFESSION, I STILL WANT TO PUT THAT MURDERER IN 21:15:10 JAIL. WHEN A COP MAKES A MISTAKE AND 21:15:12 FINDING A WEAPON OR DRUGS, I NEVER LIKED THE IDEA OF GIVING 21:15:15 IT BACK TO THE CRIMINAL. HERE'S WHAT THE COURT DID. 21:15:17 THE TWO COURTS THAT CAME AFTER -- TWO CONSERATIVE COURT 21:15:22 THAT'S CAME AFTER, BERGER AND REHNQUIST, PEOPLE THOUGHT THEY 21:15:25 WOULD OVERRULE MIRANDA. THEY DID NOT OVERRULE IT. 21:15:29 THEY LIMITED IT. AND LIMITED IT TO THE POINT 21:15:31 WHERE IT IS NOW QUITE RATIONAL. >> Larry: ARE YOU PRETTY SURE NO 21:15:35 MATTER WHAT YOU'RE PIPTED, ROE VS. WADE WOULD REMAIN? 21:15:38 >> NOBODY KNOW THAT'S. >> Larry: WOULD IT HURT YOU IF 21:15:41 IT WAS OVERTURNED? >> DON'T THINK IT WOULD HELP OR 21:15:43 HURT ME. >> Larry: WOULD YOU BE 21:15:46 INDIFFERENT TO IT? >> I WOULD NOT BE INDIFFERENT TO 21:15:49 IT. IT WOULD NOT BE LITMUS TEST I 21:15:51 WOULD APPOINT SOMEBODY. WOULD I APPOINT SOMEBODY WHO I 21:15:53 THOUGHT WOULD BE A GOOD JUDGE WHO WOULD DO THE BEST THEY COULD 21:15:56 DO INTERPRET THE CONSTITUTION. MAYBE NINE TIMES OUT OF TEN, I 21:15:59 WILL BE SATISFIED WITH THAT PINTMENT AND ONE OUT OF TEN 21:16:04 TIMES, I WOULD BE SITTING THERE LIKE USED TO DO WHEN I APPOINTED 21:16:07 LOTS OF PEOPLE AT MAYOR, HOW COULD THEY DO THAT? 21:16:10 I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND WHY THEY DID. 21:16:13 >> Larry: YOU'RE BASICALLY PRO THE GAY MOVEMENT. 21:16:14 GAYS HAVE EQUAL RIGHTS TO HETRO, INSURANCE BENEFITS AND ALL OF 21:16:19 THAT. >> GAYS SHOULD PROTECTED. 21:16:22 I SIGNED THE DOMESTIC PARTNERSHIP LAW IN NEW YORK. 21:16:25 THE WAY I DRIVE MY OPPONENTS, THEY SAY I'M IN FAVOR OF GAY 21:16:30 MARRIAGE. I DID 220 WEDDINGS, ALL BETWEEN 21:16:32 A MAN AND WOMAN. I HOPE THEY WERE ALL BETWEEN A 21:16:35 MAN AND WOMAN. IT LOOKED THAT WAY AT THE TIME. 21:16:38 BUT, YEAH, I BELIEVE MARRIAGE IS P SOMETHING THAT SHOULD BE 21:16:42 BETWEEN A MAN AND A WOMAN AND THE WAY TO HANDLE THIS AND THE 21:16:47 WAY TO HANDLE RESPECT AND EVERYTHING ELSE IS HAVE 21:16:49 SOMETHING LIKE DOMESTIC PARTNERSHIP, WHICH I SUPPORT. 21:16:51 >> Larry: WOULD YOU FAVOR CON TUSAL AMENDMENT FAVORING 21:16:55 MARRIAGE BETWEEN A MAN AND WOMAN? 21:16:57 >> NOT UNLESS IT REMAINS -- NOT IF IT REMAINS THE WAY IT IS NOW. 21:17:03 UNLESS A LOT OF OTHER STATES DO WHAT MASSACHUSETTS DOES, COME 21:17:06 OUT SANE, YOU CAN R CANNOT HAVE MARRIAGE BETWEEN MAN AND WOMAN. 21:17:10 IF IT CHANGES, MAYBE VERY WELL. >> Larry: ARE YOU IN FAVOR OF 21:17:14 GUN CONTROL? >> I DID. 21:17:15 BUT I ALSO UNDERSTAND THE SECOND AMENDMENT. 21:17:17 I UNDERSTAND THE RIGHT TO BEAR ARMS. 21:17:20 A LOT OF THESE THINGS HAVE TO BE RESOLVED ON A STATE-BY-STATE 21:17:23 BASIS. I USED TO SAY OFTEN WHEN I WAS 21:17:26 THE MAYOR, ONE THING FOR NEW YORK, AND SOMETHING DIFFERENT 21:17:29 FOR TEXAS. >> Larry: RUDY, WILL IT BE ROUGH 21:17:31 FOR YOU -- BY THE WAY, BIG PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE APRIL 4 IN 21:17:35 NEW HAMPSHIRE. DEMOCRATS ONE NIGHT. 21:17:37 REPUBLICANS THE NEXT. CNN IS COSPNSERRING IT WITH 21:17:41 WMMR. ARE YOU GOING TO COME? 21:17:42 >> I DIDN'T KNOW. >> Larry: I'M INVITING YOU ON 21:17:45 BEHALF OF CNN. >> LET ME TAKE A LOOK. 21:17:47 >> Larry: IF YOUR SCHEDULE IS OPEN, WILL YOU COME? 21:17:49 >> LET ME TAKE A LOOK. >> Larry: WILL IT BE HARD FOR 21:17:52 YOU? YOU'RE WAY AHEAD IN THE POLLS, 21:17:54 BY THE WAY. YOU COULD WIN THE ELECTION BUT 21:17:58 NOT THE NOMINATION BECAUSE YOU CANNOT WIN SOUTH CAROLINA. 21:18:00 YOU CANNOT WIN ALABAMA. WITH THE VIEWS YOU HAVE, VIA 21:18:05 ABORTION GAIN RIGHTS. >> YOU HEARD THE VIEWS THAT I 21:18:06 HAVE AND THERE ARE A LOT OF OTHER ISSUES YOU CAN COVER. 21:18:10 >> Larry: HOW TOUGH WILL BE IT FOR YOU IN THE SOUTH? 21:18:11 >> I HAVE BEEN IN SOUTH CAROLINA QUITE A BIT AND OTHER PARTS OF 21:18:14 THE SOUTH. SEEMS LIKE THEY ARE OPEN. 21:18:17 SEEKS LIKE PEOPLE ARE OPEN TO MAYBE APPROACHING THIS ELECTION 21:18:20 A LITTLE DIFFERENTLY FROM THE POINT -- BOTH ON THE REPUBLICAN 21:18:22 SIDE AND DEMOCRATIC SIDE. WE NEED LEADERSHIP. 21:18:25 I THINK THERE'S AN UNDERSTANDING THAT YOU CANNOT -- YOU CAN NEVER 21:18:28 FIND A CANDIDATE YOU AGREE WITH 100% OF THE TIME. 21:18:31 I DON'T AGREE WITH MYSELF 100% OF A TIME. 21:18:33 HOW ARE YOU GOING TO FIND A CANDIDATE AWE GRE WITH -- 21:18:36 >> Larry: YOU THINK THEY WILL VOTE FOR YOU? 21:18:38 >> I THINK THEY WILL ON THE BASIS OF LEADERSHIP. 21:18:42 I THINK THEY WILL ON THE BASIS WE NEED SOMEBODY WHO CAN 21:18:46 ULTIMATELY HAND THL COUNTRY AT A TIME OF WAR AND AT A TIME WE 21:18:49 HAVE TOUGH THINGS TO FACE WE HAVE NOT BEEN FACING FOR A 21:18:51 WHILE. >> Larry: A COUPLE OTHER QUICK 21:18:54 THINGS, YOUR ROLGS RELATIONSHIP WITH BERNIE CAREY, POTENTIAL 21:18:57 CAMPAIGN PROBLEM? >> YOU MEAN HIS -- RECOMMENDING 21:19:00 HIM? IT WAS A MISTAKE. 21:19:01 I MADE A MISTAKE. >> Larry: YOU THINK IT WILL HURT 21:19:03 YOU? YOU THINK AN OPPONENT WILL BRING 21:19:07 IT UP? WHY AM I BRINGING IT UP! 21:19:09 >> YES, I THINK THE ANSWER IS, I MADE A MISTAKE AND TYKE 21:19:13 RESPONSIBILITY FOR IT. >> Larry: YOUR DIVORCE AND 21:19:15 PERSONAL LIFE. >> THEY WILL BRING ALL OF THAT 21:19:17 UP AND PROBABLY BRING UP THING THAT'S ARE NOT EVEN TRUE. 21:19:20 AND THEY WILL BRING UP THINGS THAT ARE TRUE. 21:19:22 THE WAY I DEAL WITH THAT, I'M A HUMAN BEING. 21:19:24 I MADE MISTAKES. I'M NOT PERFECT. 21:19:28 I KEEP TRYING TO LEARN FROM THEM. 21:19:30 SOMETIMES I DO, SOMETIMES I DON'T. 21:19:32 I KEEP WORKING ON THAT AND TRYING TO LEARN. 21:19:34 I'M A HUMAN BEING. MUCH LIKE I THINK, EVERYBODY 21:19:37 ELSE, THEY MAY BE A PERFECT CANDIDATE IN THIS RACE. 21:19:39 I DON'T KNOW WHICH ONE THAT IS. I WOULD NOT WANT TO BE THE ONE 21:19:41 THAT IS THE PERFECT CANDIDATE. >> Larry: LAST TIME WE HAD A 21:19:44 PRESIDENTIAL RACE, I REMEMBER YOU LIKED JOHN McCAIN. 21:19:45 AND HE WAS A FRIEND OF YOURS. >> WE STILL ARE FRIENDS. 21:19:48 I LIKE JOHN McCAIN VERY MUCH. I HAVE A SINCERE ADMIRATION FOR 21:19:54 JOHN McCAIN. WE WILL BOTH BATTLE IT OUT FOR 21:19:57 THE REPUBLICAN NOMINATION. BURT IT'S NOT GOING TO IN ONE -- 21:20:01 ONE IOTA REMOVE THE KIND OF RESPECT I HAVE FOR JOHN. 21:20:05 I THINK JOHN IS A GREAT AMERICAN. 21:20:07 AND ONED THAT, HE'S A GREAT PERSON. 21:20:08 HE'S SOMEBODY I KNOW. I REALLY LIKE HIM VERY MUCH. 21:20:11 I LIKE MITT ROMNEY. I CAMPAIGNED FOR MITT ROMNEY. 21:20:14 THE NIGHT BEFORE HE GOT ELECTED GOVERNOR, I WAS GOING -- THE 21:20:17 LAST CAMPAIGN I MET WITH HIM AND WE WERE IN THE SOUTH SIDE OF 21:20:20 BOSTON. WE HAD DINNER IN A GREAT ITALIAN 21:20:23 RESTAURANT, AND TOLD GREAT STORIES. 21:20:26 >> Larry: DO YOU THINK THIS WILL BE HELD AGAINST HIM? 21:20:28 >> OF COURSE NOT. ABSOLUTELY NOT. 21:20:30 ANY MORE THAN CATHOLICISM SHOULD BE -- 21:20:32 >> HELD AGAINST YOU. >> Larry: AGAINST YOU? 21:20:39 >> BEING FROM KENNEDY, SHOULD BE HELD AGAINST HIM. 21:20:47 >> Larry: I WANT TO RUN FROM BOSTON. 21:20:49 WOULD YOU LIKE TO RUN AGAINST HILLARY? 21:20:50 >> I WOULD LIKE TO RUN AGAINST ANYBODY THE DEMOCRATS NOMINATE. 21:20:54 IF IT'S HILLARY, GOD BLESS HER. OBAMA, OR EDWARDS. 21:21:02 I HOPE I DIDN'T LEAVE EVERYBODY OUT. 21:21:05 >> Larry: THANK YOU, RUDY. HOPE TO SEE YOU ON THE 24th. 21:21:09 CHECK. ALWAYS PUSHING. 21:21:11 SENATOR JOHN EDWARDS SCHEDULED TO BE HERE. 21:21:13 LOOKING AT THE DOOR, HE AIN'T HERE YET. 21:21:14 A LOT OF TRAFFIC IN LOS ANGELES. A PANEL OF OUTSTANDING PUNDITS 21:21:17 AND HE'S LATE. IT'S ALL THE NEXT. 21:21:19 DON'T GO AWAY. >> MAYOR RUDY -- 21:21:25 >> I GUESS I AM. SURE, I'M RUNNING. 21:21:31 >> I DECLARE MY INTENTION TO RUN FOR PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED 21:21:34 STATES. >> I AM TAKING THE FIRST STEP ON 21:21:38 THE YELLOW BRICK ROAD TO THE WHITE HOUSE. 21:21:40 >> PREPARING TO RUN FOR PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES. 21:21:44 IN 2008. >> I THINK I'M IN THE BEST 21:21:49 POSITION. INTRODUCING THE ALL 21:21:57 NEW CHEVY LVERADO. UCKS WITH UPO 21:22:00 367 HORSEPOWER... AND 10,500 POUNDS 21:22:02 TOWG CAPACITY. TRUCKS WITH REAR DOORS THAT 21:22:06 C OPEN 170 DEEES. , ALL BACKED BY THE BEST 21:22:11 COVERAGE IN AMERICA. THAT'S WHY IT'S THE... 21:22:19 THE ALL NEW CHEVSILVERADO. >> Larry: AGAIN, AS WE SAID, 21:24:37 SENATOR EDWARDS STUCK SOMEWHERE. A LOT OF TRAFFIC TONIGHT ON THIS 21:24:41 VALENTINE'S NIGHT IN LOS ANGELES. 21:24:42 LET'S MEET OUR PANEL, MICHAEL, INVESTIGATIVE COMPETENT FOR 21:24:46 "NEWSWEEK." BEST-SELLING AUTHOR OF "HUBRIS," 21:24:48 INSIDE STORY OF SPIN, SCANDAL AND SELLING OF THE IRAQ WAR." 21:24:51 IN BOSTON, DAVID GERGEN, WHO SERVED AS A WHITE HOUSE ADVISE 21:24:54 TORE NIXON, FORD, REAGAN AND CLINTON. 21:24:58 EDITOR OF "U.S. WORLD NEWS" AND PROFESSOR AT HARVARD'S SCHOOL OF 21:25:02 GOVERNMENT. HERE IN L.A., ARIANA HUFFINGTON, 21:25:05 FOUNDER AND EDITOR OF HUFFINGTONPOST.COM. 21:25:10 HER WORK -- BECOMING FEARLESS IN LOVE, WORK AND LIFE. 21:25:14 AND AMY HOME, SPEECHWRITER FOUR THE GOP -- AND SPEECH MEMORY FOR 21:25:19 SENATOR MAJORITY LEADER BILL FRIST. 21:25:20 AND GOP STRATEGIST AS WELL. MICHAEL IZ ACOUGH, WHAT DO YOU 21:25:26 MAKE OF GIULIANI, IN THE UNUSUAL POSITION AHEAD IN THE POLLS BUT 21:25:31 MAYBE BEHIND IN THE REPUBLICAN PRIMARY POLLS? 21:25:32 >> I THINK YOU CAN SEE FROM THE INTERVIEW, WHY HE'S AHEAD OF THE 21:25:36 POLLS. HE'S CLEARLY ENGAGING AND 21:25:39 WINNING PERSONALITY. CAME ACROSS AS QUITE FRANK, 21:25:44 QUITE OPEN. WILLING TO ADMIT MISTAKES. 21:25:48 HE HAS A LONG WAY TO GO. HE'S GOT -- THERE'S NO GETTING 21:25:53 AROUND THE FACT THAT HE WILL BE RUNNING IN PRIMARIES WHERE 21:25:56 SOCIAL CONSERVATIVES PREDOMINANT AND HIS VIEWS ARE NOT COMPATIBLE 21:25:59 WITH THOSE. AND BEYOND THAT, I THINK I THINK 21:26:03 LIKE EVERY OTHER CANDIDATE, IRAQ WILL LOOM LARGE FOR HIM AS IT 21:26:06 WILL FOR EVERYBODY ELSE. AND RIGHT NOW HE'S SUPPORTING 21:26:10 THE SURGE. HE'S SUPPORTING THE PRESIDENT. 21:26:12 BUT THE BIG QUESTION THAT EVERY REPUBLICAN CANDIDATE IS GOING TO 21:26:15 FACE IS, SIX MONTHS DOWN THE ROAD FROM NOW, IF THINGS DON'T 21:26:20 START TO TURN AROUND, IF THERE ISN'T SOME MEASURABLE PROGRESS, 21:26:24 ARE THEY GOING TO STAY COMMITTED TO A COURSE THAT DOES NOT LOOK 21:26:28 LIKE IT'S GOING ANYWHERE? >> Larry: ARIANA? 21:26:31 >> YOU KNOW, I FIND IT AMAZING THE WAY HE'S DECIDED TO 21:26:34 COMPLETELY SUPPORT THE PRESIDENT. 21:26:36 ALL THE WAY DOWN, COMPARING THEIR POLICIES TO LINCOLN'S AND 21:26:40 ROOSEVELT'S WHEN YOU TRY TO PRESS HIM. 21:26:43 WHAT I THINK HIS CALCULATION IS, PERHAPS, GIVEN HE'S PRO-CHOICE 21:26:47 AND PRO GUN CONTROL, PROBABLY DECIDED THAT HE HAD TO BE -- TO 21:26:52 OUT McCAIN ON THE SURGE. TO BE IN FAVOR OF EVERY 21:26:57 ESCALATION, IN ORDER SOMEHOW TO IMPROVE HIS CREDENTIALS. 21:27:01 >> Larry: ARE YOU SAYING IT'S ALL CALCULATEED? 21:27:04 >> IT DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE. HE SHOULD KNOW BETTER THAN THAT. 21:27:06 ON TOP OF IT, IT'S THE WRONG CALCULATION. 21:27:09 YOU CAN NEVER OUT McCAIN/McCAIN. 21:27:13 HE OWNS THAT SPACE OF ESCALATING THE WAR. 21:27:15 ON TOP OF IT HE SPENT FIVE YEARS AT HANOI WHILE JEWEL ONNY GOT A 21:27:21 DEFERMENT BECAUSE SOME JUDGE THOUGHT HE WAS A VERY GOOD LAW 21:27:24 CLERK. IT DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE. 21:27:26 >> Larry: DAVID GERGEN, WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT THE GIULIANI 21:27:29 CANDIDACY? >> WELL, I THINK THAT'S REALLY 21:27:33 INTERESTING, LARRY, IS THE PUNDITS, COMMENT TAROT, IF YOU 21:27:37 WOULD LIKE TO CALL IT THAT, HAS DISCOUNTED -- AND I HAVE BECOME 21:27:41 AMONG THOSE THAT DISCOUNTED A GIULIANI CANDIDACY FOR SOME 21:27:47 TIME. WE SAID, HE LOOK AS TRACTIVE ON 21:27:49 THE SURFACE BUT PEOPLE WILL MOVE AWAY FROM HIM IN THE REPUBLICAN 21:27:52 PARTY. BUT SOMETHING IPING HAPPENED THE 21:27:54 LAST 30 DAYS. A MOG ATHE "USA TODAY" GALLOP 21:27:59 POLL HAD GIULIANI AND McCAIN NECK AND NECK. 21:28:02 GIULIANI AHEAD BY AROUND FOUR POINTS. 21:28:06 THE RECENT POLL HAS GIULIANI AHEAD OF JOHN McCAIN FOR THE 21:28:10 REPUBLICAN NOMINATION BY 16 POINTS. 21:28:12 16 POINTS. HE'S OPENED UP A HUGE LEAD. 21:28:14 I THOUGHT -- I MUST SAY, MY GOOD FRIEND AR ANIA, I DISAGREE IN 21:28:21 PART WHAT'S GOING ON. I THINK HE'S TAKING THESE STAND 21:28:25 BECAUSE IT'S WHAT HE BELIEVES IN. 21:28:26 I THINK HE'S TAKING THE STAND LIKE BARACK OBAMA, WHO IS ON THE 21:28:30 DEMOCRATIC SIDE, HE'S APPEALING BECAUSE THESE AUTHENTIC. 21:28:33 HE IS WHO HE IS WHO HE IS. AND IT'S NOT AT ALL CALCULATED. 21:28:36 >> Larry: LET ME GET BREAK. WE WILL PICK UP WITH AMY HOLMES' 21:28:40 THOUGHTS AND GET INTO A LOT MORE ABOUT POLITICS 2007/2008. 21:28:46 DON'T GO AWAY. >> I AM IN. 21:28:49 I AM IN TO WIN. >> MY CANDIDACY FOR PRESIDENT OF 21:28:53 THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA! >> THE SINGLE BIGGEST 21:29:03 RESPONSIBILITY OF THE NEXT PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES 21:29:05 IS TO RESTORE AMERICA'S LEADERSHIP IN THE WORLD. 21:29:07 >> I STILL PLAN ON RUNNING. I HAVE NOT, QUITE FRANKLY, NOT 21:29:12 THROUGH ALL OF THE MECHANICS OF IT AT THIS POINT. 21:29:13 >> TODAY I FILED THE PAPER WORK CREATING A PRESIDENTIAL 21:29:18 EXPLORATORY COMMITTEE. >> I'M ANNOUNCING MY CANDIDACY 21:29:20 FOR PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES. 21:29:25 I TR OSI I 21:29:31 E S 21:29:33 MENOUSAL OEOSI OSAXISD HACRE 21:29:43 OF BOTTHP SPINE WOM WITH TEOSIS . 21:29:48 NGHI MPNT TO 21:29:52 ER E, NOAB TAN ITIG F 3NU 21:29:54 DN DSE, LOUM 21:29:57 ER E, NOAB TAN L 21:30:06 TINX LL 21:30:09 RI IU VEP ORORNGRN TINX FFNF WI 21:30:13 LL OFER UER STLE 21:30:16 ENI HEAR E O TPROTEC BON 21:32:09 >> Larry: LET'S BRING OUR BUDDY AMY HOLMS INTO THE NEXT. 21:32:12 WHAT HAPPENED, AS DAVID GERGEN POINTS OUT, WHAT HAPPENED TO 21:32:15 McCAIN? >> WELL, HE'S BEEN OVERSHADOWED 21:32:18 BY THIS BIG GIULIANI ANNOUNCEMENT. 21:32:20 I THINK IN THE INTERVIEW WE SAW TONIGHT, GIULIANI PROVES WHY 21:32:24 HE'S SUCH A FORMIDABLE OPPONENT. HE'S CHARISMATIC AND CANDID AND 21:32:27 COMFORTABLE IN HIS OWN SKIN. WITH McCAIN A. AMONG 21:32:30 CONSERVATIVES, THERE'S A LOT OF EXCEPTISM. 21:32:33 REMEMBER, HE WAS FOR CAMPAIGN FINANCE REFORM AND THAT WASN'T 21:32:36 SO GREAT FOR THE RELIGIOUS CONSERVATIVE GROUPS AND RISE OF 21:32:38 THE A527s ON THE LEFT WAS AN UNHAPPY DEVELOPMENT. 21:32:44 McCAIN, THERE'S ILL WILL. SOME POLLS SHOW GIULIANI AHEAD 21:32:49 IN ALABAMA AND GEORGIA. AND WHEN HE WAS MAYOR OF NEW 21:32:52 YORK, HE WAS A HERO TO CONSERVATIVES WITH CONSERVATIVE 21:32:55 REFORMS IN NEW YORK AS MAYOR. I THINK HE'S AN EXCITING 21:32:57 CANDIDATE AND HE WILL BRING A LOT OF SIZZLE TO THIS ELECTION. 21:33:01 >> Larry: MICHAEL, WHAT ABOUT MITT ROMNEY, MORMON FROM SALT 21:33:03 LAKEHO W BECOMES GOVERNOR AND CATHOLIC MASSACHUSETTS. 21:33:06 ISN'T THAT FORMIDABLE? >> YEAH. 21:33:10 I MEAN, LOOK, I'M LIKE A LOT OF OTHER PEOPLE, DON'T KNOW ALL 21:33:13 THAT MUCH ABOUT MITT ROMNEY. I THINK HE'S POSITIONED TO BE 21:33:17 THE CON VEPGSAL CONSERVATIVE CANDIDATE IN THIS ELECTION. 21:33:23 AND PROBABLY WELL POSITIONED TO DO THAT. 21:33:26 BUT I JUST WANT -- WE CANNOT GET AROUND -- NOT TO ECHO MYSELF, 21:33:31 BUT IRAQ IS THE STUMBLING BLOCK FOR ALL OF THESE GUYS. 21:33:35 AND THEY HAVE GOT TO DEAL WITH IT. 21:33:39 AND THEY ARE ALL AT THE MOMENT SUPPORTING A WAR THE AMERICAN 21:33:41 PUBLIC DOES NOT SUPPORT. AND THE LONGER THEY DO SO, THE 21:33:48 LONGER THEY ARE GOING TO HAVE PROBLEMS, IF ANY OF THEM -- 21:33:51 WHOEVER GETS THE NOMINATION, WILL HAVE THAT PROBLEM IN A IN 21:33:57 JARM ELECTION. >> Larry: DID THAT MEAN, ARIANA, 21:34:00 IRAQ WILL BE THE LOSS FOR REPUBLICANS? 21:34:01 IRAQ WOULD BE THE SFLN. >> ABSOLUTELY. 21:34:03 I COMPLETELY AGREE WITH MIKE. TO HEAR GIULIANI RESPOND TO YOU, 21:34:07 LARRY, BY SAYING THE IRAQ IS A LITTLE BIT LIKE NEW YORK AND 21:34:11 FIGHTING THE WAR IN IRAQ IS LIKE FIGHTING CRIME IN THE STREETS OF 21:34:14 NEW YORK, IT IS SO LAUGHABLE. I CANNOT IMAGINE HOW ANYBODY CAN 21:34:17 TAKE IT SERIOUSLY AS A POSITION ON THE WAR. 21:34:21 TO IGNORE THE FACT THERE IS A CIVIL WAR GOING ON THERE IS 21:34:25 REALLY TO SHOW ABSOLUTELY NO UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT IS 21:34:28 HAPPENING AND TRY TO TREAT IT LIKE A CRIME PROBLEM. 21:34:32 SO, THEREFORE, IT'S REALLY EXACTLY WHAT MIKE SAID. 21:34:35 IT THIS WILL REMAIN A HUGE VULNERABILITY BOTH IN THE 21:34:39 PRIMARY, BECAUSE YOU HAVE SOMEONE AGAINST THE ESCALATION 21:34:44 AND 100% RATING BY THE CONSERVATIVE UNION. 21:34:47 HE HAS THE YOUNG APPROACH. HE WILL ACTUALLY PROVE QUITE 21:34:52 FORMIDABLE IF THE WAR IN IRAQ CONTINUES. 21:34:54 >> Larry: DAVID GERGEN, IS IRAQ GOING TO BE THE WIN AND THE LOSS 21:34:58 OF THIS ELECTION? >> I THINK ARIANA IS RIGHT THAT 21:35:04 IT COULD AFFECT THE ELECTIONS IN NOVEMBER 2008. 21:35:07 AT THIS POINT GIULIANI IS NOT FOCUSING ON 2008. 21:35:10 HE NEEDS TO WIN THE NOMINATION. IN THAT SENSE HE'S IN THE SAME 21:35:13 BOAT -- THE THREE FRONT RUNGSERS, AS ARIANA JUST POINTED 21:35:19 OUT FROM THE REPUBLICAN SIDE ARE ALL FOR THE SURGE. 21:35:21 IT'S NOT THE WORE THAT WILL DEFINE WHO WINS THE NOMINATION 21:35:24 SO MUCH. I THINK IT WILL -- ONCE YOU GET 21:35:26 THE NOMINATION, YOU HAVE A WHOLE NEW BALLGAME. 21:35:30 THEN THE WAR DOES WEIGH HEAVILY AGAINST REPUBLICANS. 21:35:33 YOU COULD EASILY SEE AN ELECTION IN 2008, LARRY, WHOEVER THE 21:35:37 REPUBLICAN NOMINEE IS WILL GET SWAMPED BY THE WAR AND 21:35:40 REPUBLICANS COULD LOSE A LOT OF GROUND IN THE HOUSE AND SENATE 21:35:42 AND YOU COULD HAVE A DEMOCRAT COMING IN WITH A BIG, BIG 21:35:46 MARGIN. BUT WE ARE STILL TWO YEARS AWAY. 21:35:49 LONG WAYS AWAY. RUDY GIULIANI IS RIGHT, THE WAR 21:35:51 POSITION WILL NOT DEFINE HIM NOW. 21:35:54 CAN HE WIN OVER THE E CONSERVATIVES AND WIN OVER THEIR 21:35:58 SUPPORT TO MAKE IT THROUGH THE PRIMARIES? 21:36:00 >> Larry: AMY, IS YOUR PARTY IN BIG TROUBLE? 21:36:01 >> I THINK 2008 IS WIDE OPEN AND THE WAR QUESTION IS A 21:36:05 COMPLICATED QUESTION FOR THE DEMOCRATIC SITD AS WELL. 21:36:07 WE ARE SEEING THAT PLAYED OUT WITH BARACK OBAMA AND HILLARY 21:36:09 CLINTON. BARACK BEING STAUNCHLY ANTI-WAR 21:36:12 AND BEING A FAVORITE OF THE BASE OF HIS PARTY AND HILLARY CLINTON 21:36:15 BEING ASKED OVER AND OVER AND OVER ABOUT HER VOTE IN THE 21:36:19 SENATE TO GIVE THE PRESIDENT AUTHORIZATION TO GO TO WAR. 21:36:22 I THINK GIULIANI PROMOTING THE SURGE IS SHOWING HIS LOYALTY AND 21:36:28 SUPPORT OF THE PRESIDENT AS COMMANDER IN CHIEF. 21:36:30 THE SURGE WILL PLAY OUT AND SIX MONTHS FROM NOW, EIGHT MONTHS 21:36:33 FROM NOW, GIULIANI, CAN MAKE A POLICY DEPENDING ON HOW THAT 21:36:39 SURGE WORKED. I DON'T THINK HIS POSITION TODAY 21:36:41 ON THE SURGE WILL DETERMINE HIS OUTCOME IN 2008. 21:36:44 >> Larry: WE WILL TAKE A BREAK AND COME BACK AND TALK ABOUT THE 21:36:47 DEMOCRATS. AND WE WILL ALSO INCLUDE YOUR 21:36:48 PHONE CALLS ON THIS EDITION OF "LARRY KING LIVE." 21:36:52 DON'T GO AWAY. T. 21:38:43 G CALLS FROM SPRIN 21:38:45 SAVES US ENOUGH MONE TO COV OTHER COSTS. 21:38:47 - LIKE? - LI YOUR NEPHEW. 21:38:56 TH. SPRINT H 21:38:58 FREENCOMING PLANS. CARRIE DON. OTR NS 21:39:02 NOW BUONE NYO 7000 ANGET FOUR FRE 21:39:04 VISIsprint.com/bines >> Larry: FOUR OF THE BEST OF 21:39:48 THE BUSINESS, MICHAEL ISIKOFF, ARIANA HUFFINGTON, AMY HOLMES. 21:39:54 MR. ISIKOFF, GIVE ME YOUR VIEW OF THE DEMOCRATIC PICTURE. 21:39:57 >> WELL, HILLARY CLINTON IS THE FRONT RUNNER. 21:39:59 BUT, OBVIOUSLY, SHE HAS AN IRAQ PROBLEM OF HER OWN. 21:40:02 IT'S THE QUESTION SHE'S GETTING ASKED ABOUT THE MOST EVERY TIME 21:40:08 SHE GOES AND SPEAK. SHE HAS YET TO BE ABLE TO GO AND 21:40:12 GIVE AS DIRECT AN ANSWER AS JOHN ETD WARDS HAS, STARTING WITH THE 21:40:16 WORDS, "I MADE A MISTAKE." THAT'S A CONSTITUTIONALLY VERY 21:40:21 DIFFICULT THING F. NOT IMPOSSIBLE THING, FOR HILLARY 21:40:23 CLINTON TO SAY. I THINK PEOPLE ARE TRYING TO 21:40:25 PUSH HER INTO SAYING THAT. THE INTERESTING DYNAMIC IS TO 21:40:30 WATCH AS THAT PLAYS OUT -- WILL SHE FINALLY BE ABLE TO BRING 21:40:34 HERSELF TO UTTER WORDS THAT ARE CLEARLY UNCOMFORTABLE FOR HER? 21:40:38 >> Larry: WHY IS THAT SO URGENT, ARIANNA? 21:40:45 WHY CAN'T SHE SAY I VOTED FOR HER BECAUSE OF INFORMATION I WAS 21:40:47 GIVEN AND BECAUSE OF THAT INFORMATION, I HAD WRONG 21:40:49 INFORMATION, AND THAT'S WHY VOIGHTED. 21:40:52 MY MISTAKE -- >> NOT TO BE ABLE TO SAY I MADE 21:40:55 A MISTAKE IS SUCH A FUNDAMENTAL PROBLEM ABOUT HER AND HER 21:40:59 CAMPAIGN. MARK PENN TRIED TO EXPLAIN BY 21:41:02 SAYING IT'S IMPORTANT FOR HER TO KEEP SAYING IT'S THE PRESIDENT'S 21:41:06 MISTAKE. EVERYBODY KNOWS IT'S THE 21:41:07 PRESIDENT'S MISTAKE BUT IT'S ALSO THE MISTAKE OF THOSE 21:41:09 DEMOCRATS WHO VOTES FOR THE WAR, DESPITE ALL OF THE INFORMATION 21:41:12 THEY HAD AVAILABLE TO THEM. AFTER ALL 21 SENATOR DID NOT 21:41:18 VOTE, DEMOCRATIC SENATORS, TO AUTHORIZE THE WAR. 21:41:21 CLEARLY THEY HAD BETTER JUDGMENT THAN WHAT HE WE KNOW NOW. 21:41:24 ONE OF THEM PAUL, RUNNING FOR ALSO, HAD THE GUTS TO VOTE 21:41:31 AGAINST THE ORGANIZATION. >> Larry: DAVID GERGEN, SHE SAID 21:41:34 SHE WASN'T VOTING FOR THE WAR. SHE WAS -- SHE WASN'T VOTING 21:41:37 DIRECTLY TO GO TO WAR. >> WELL, LISTEN, LET'S GIVE 21:41:44 CREDIT TO MRS. CLINTON IN ONE SENSE. 21:41:46 A MONTH AGO IN THAT SAME "USA TODAY" GALLOP POLL SHE WAS AHEAD 21:41:49 OF BARACK OBAMA BY ABOUT 11 POINTS AND NOW SHE OPENED UP A 21:41:54 LEAD OF 19 POINTS. SHE'S DOING SOMETHING RIGHT AND 21:41:56 ONE HAS TO RECOGNIZE THAT UP FRONT. 21:41:58 I DO BELIEVE THAT THE WAY SHE'S ANSWERING THESE IRAQ QUESTIONS 21:42:00 WILL COME BACK TO HAUNT HER WITH THE VOTERS. 21:42:03 WHEN SHE VOTED FOR THE RESOLUTION ON IRAQ, IT WAS 21:42:06 PERFECTLY OBVIOUS TO EVERYBODY, WE ARE ABOUT TO GO TO WAR AND 21:42:10 THIS IS A VOTE TO AUTHORIZE. WHEN YOU START PARSING THAT TOO 21:42:13 MUCH OR QUALIFYING IT TOO MUCH, BEING TOO CUTE WITH IT, I THINK 21:42:16 YOU LOOK LIKE YOU'RE TRYING TO -- YOU'RE IN EFFECT NOT 21:42:20 CLINIC. I THINK WHAT WILL WORK THIS YEAR 21:42:24 AS PETER HART AND OTHERS REMIND US, AUTHENTICITY MATTERS. 21:42:27 I THINK SHE WILL BE BETTER, AS ARIANA SAID, COME RIGHT OUT 21:42:33 SANE, SHE MAD A MISTAKE. LOOK AT THE WAY RUDY GIULIANI 21:42:36 HANDLED THAT. LOOK, WE ALL MAKE MISTAKES. 21:42:38 LEARN FROM THAT AND MOVE ON. SNEADS TO MOVE ON FROM IT. 21:42:41 I THINK TO PLAY GAMES WITH WORDS ON THIS IS A MISTAKE FOR HER IN 21:42:44 THE LONG RUN. IT WILL COME BACK TO HAUPT HER. 21:42:47 >> Larry: AMY HOLMES, BUT MIGHT SHE STILL HAVE THE NOMINATION? 21:42:51 >> SHE MAY. SHE HAS A VERY FORMIDABLE 21:42:53 MACHINE THAT IS ROLLING UP SUPPORT. 21:42:56 SHE HAS TERRY McCALL AS HER CAMPAIGN MANAGER. 21:43:00 THE CLINTONS HAVE BEEN KNOWN AS PRETTY SMOOTH OPERATORS. 21:43:04 BILL CLINTON WON THE ELECTION TWICE. 21:43:05 PART OF THE PROBLEM, THOUGH, SHE ALSO HAS A LONG RECORD OF GIVING 21:43:08 VERY FIERY SPEECHES ABOUT THE THREAT THAT SADDAM POSED AND HER 21:43:12 HUSBAND, FORMER PRESIDENT. HE HIMSELF SAID THAT SADDAM 21:43:15 HUSSEIN WAS PURSUING WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION. 21:43:18 THESE A REAL CONUNDRUM FOR HILLARY CLINTON CONTINUE WILL BE 21:43:22 HARD FOR HER TO RIGHT THAT SQUARE. 21:43:24 >> Larry: MR. ISIKOFF, CAN BARACK OBAMA CLOSE R CLOSE THE 21:43:27 GAP? >> SURE HE CAN. 21:43:29 SHE'S UNTESTED BUT HE'S CLEARLY CREATED A LOT OF EXCITEMENT OUT 21:43:34 THERE. ACTUALLY, THE MOST INTERESTING 21:43:36 DYNAMIC AT THE MOMENT IS EDWARDS. 21:43:39 TOO BAD HE ISN'T HERE YET BUT THE WAY HE'S BEEN ANSWERING, 21:43:42 AFTER SAYING, "I MADE A MISTAKE," WHEN HE'S ASKED TO 21:43:46 EXPLAIN HOW HE CAME TO THAT MISTAKE, HE HAS SAID, WELL, I 21:43:49 WAS LISTENING TO FORMER CLINTON ADMINISTRATION OFFICIALS, 21:43:55 ADVISING ME THAT I SHOULD VOTE FOR THE WAR. 21:43:57 AND THAT'S TRUE. ALMOST ALL OF THE TOP NATIONAL 21:44:00 SECURITY ADVISORS TO PRESIDENT CLINTON WERE SUPPORTIVE OF THE 21:44:05 WAR RESOLUTION. AND THAT'S A BIG REASON WHY 21:44:07 HILLARY CLINTON WAS VOTING FOR IT AS WELL. 21:44:12 SO IT'S IN VERY SUBTLE WAYS, JOHN EDWARDS IS SORT OF TAKING A 21:44:16 SHOT AT THE FORMER CLINTON ADMINISTRATION. 21:44:18 I THINK HILLARY CLINTON IS A LITTLE RELUCTANT TO EMBRACE THAT 21:44:22 FOR OBVIOUS REASONS. >> AND ALSO, IF YOU LOOK AT THE 21:44:28 WAY THE WAR IS GOING TO PLAY IN THE PRIMARY, OBVIOUSLY OBAMA IS 21:44:33 IN THE STRONGEST POSITION. HE'S CONSISTENTLY AGAINST THE 21:44:36 WAR. HIS SPEECH THAT HE GAVE IN 2002 21:44:38 AGAINST THE WAR IS A VERY POWERFUL SPEECH IN WHICH HE SAYS 21:44:42 CLEARLY, "I'M NOT AGAINST ALL WARS. 21:44:44 I'M AGAINST DUMB WARS. AND IRAQ IS A DUMB WAR." 21:44:48 HE CAULKED VERY PRESENTLY ABOUT WHAT WILL HAPPEN, HOW IMPOSSIBLE 21:44:51 IT WAS FOR US TO PREDICT WHAT WOULD HAPPEN ONCE WE INVADED. 21:44:54 IN THAT SENSE HE DOESN'T HAVE TO DO THE KIND OF EXPLAINING THAT 21:44:57 EVEN JOHN EDWARDS HAS TO DO, AS HE HAD TO DO ON "MEET THE 21:45:03 PRESS." TEN TO 15 MINUTES OF TIM RUSSERT 21:45:05 PUTTING UP ON THE SCREEN PREVIOUS STATEMENTS SUPPORTING 21:45:07 THE WAR AND HIM HAVING TO ANSWER THEM. 21:45:09 OBAMA CAN JUMP OVER ALL OF THAT AND CAN COME DIRECTLY TO WHERE 21:45:14 WE ARE TODAY. >> Larry: DOES THE AMERICAN 21:45:15 PUBLIC WANT TO PULL OUT? >> ABSOLUTELY. 21:45:17 THE MAJORITY OF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE WANT TO PULL OUT IN A 21:45:19 RESPONSIBLE WAY. NOT IRRESPONSIBLY WANTS TO PULL 21:45:22 OUT OVERNIGHT. OF COURSE, JOHN EDWARDS HAS 21:45:28 PROPOSED FUNDING AND MAKING IT CLEAR THERE WILL BE NO MILITARY 21:45:30 BASES IN IRAQ. HE'S TAKEN A REAL LEADERSHIP 21:45:33 ROLE THERE. >> Larry: HOLD ON ONE SECOND, 21:45:35 AMY. IT APPEARS SENATOR EDWARDS MAY 21:45:37 NOT BE ABLE TO MAKE IT IN THIS TRAFFIC. 21:45:41 WE SHALL FORGE FORTH. LET'S CHECK IN WITH JOHN 21:45:45 ROBERTS. HE WILL BE HOSTING FOR "ANDERSON 21:45:47 COOPER 360" AT THE TOP OF THE HOUR. 21:45:48 >> SORRY TO HEAR ABOUT JOHN EDWARD NOT MAKING IT. 21:45:51 WE HAVE A LOT TO TALK ABOUT. WEATHER AND ANNA NICOLE SMITH 21:45:54 STORY. AND A LOT OF TALK ABOUT IRAQ AND 21:45:56 TIES TO IRAN. TOE WE KNOW WHAT LED UP TO A 21:45:58 BRIEFING IN BAGHDAD THAT RATCHETED UP THE CASE FOR A RAR 21:46:01 WITH IRAN. EVERYONE FROM THE PRESIDENT ON 21:46:03 DOWN HAS BEEN BACKING AWAY OR ROW STATING WHAT WAS SAID AT 21:46:08 THAT BRIEFING. TODAY WE LEARNED HOW IT CAME TO 21:46:10 HAPPEN AND ONE BRIEFER WASN'T LITTLE TOO FAR BEYOND WHAT HIS 21:46:14 BOSSES WANTED HIM TO SAY. WE WILL LAY THAT OUT FOR YOU 21:46:17 TONIGHT. " 21:46:20 " "360" AT THE TOP OF THE HOUR. 21:46:22 >> Larry: THAT'S "ANDERSON COOPER 360" AT THE TOP OF THE 21:46:26 HOUR. WE WILL BE RIGHT BACK RIGHT 21:46:27 AFTER THIS. >> I WOULD NOT HAVE STARTED THIS 21:46:29 WAR. AND IF IT'S NOT ENDED BY 2009, 21:46:33 IF I'M PRESIDENT, I WILL END IT. >> THE WAR WAS A TERRIBLE 21:46:39 MISTAKE. IT SHOULD NOT HAVE BEEN 21:46:40 AUTHORIZED. >> THE INCREDIBLE INCOMPETENCE 21:46:42 WITH WHAT HAPPENED IN IRAQ. >> ALL OF THE KING'S HORSES, ALL 21:46:46 OF THE KING'S MEN, CANNOT HOLD IRAQ TOGETHER. 21:46:48 >> OUR SOLDERS MUST STAND FOR US IN THE FIELD. 21:46:50 WE MUST STAND FOR US IN THE LEGISLATURE. 21:46:52 >> MORE TROOPS NOT THE ANSWER. . 21:47:00 . E >>> I WOULD GIVE THEM MASS 21:49:36 SUPPORT. I WOULD NOT PULL THEM THE 21:49:38 SUPPORT RIGHT NOW. >> WE CAN ACHIEVE SUCCESS IN 21:49:40 IRAQ. THIS IS NOT JUST AN INCREASE IN 21:49:42 TROOPS. >> OUR WISEST COURSE IS TO SEEK 21:49:44 STABILITY IN IRAQ. >> I THINK WE HAVE GOT TO STAY 21:49:47 IN AND GET THE JOB DONE, BUT WE HAVE GOT TO DO IT TOGETHER. 21:49:50 >> SO WE ARE TRYING TO CHANGE THE WORLD FOR FREEDOM. 21:49:55 >> Larry: DAVID GERGEN, WHAT DO YOU MAKE OF THIS HOUSE VOTE 21:49:58 FRIDAY IN WHICH THEY WILL SAY TO THE PRESIDENT, WE DON'T LIKE 21:50:00 WHAT YOU'RE DOING? >> IT'S A VERY SIGNIFICANT VOTE, 21:50:05 LARRY. THE CONGRESS HAS NOT REGISTERED 21:50:07 ANY REAL PROTESTS AGAINST THE WAR IN FOUR LONG YEARS. 21:50:11 THEY WENT ON THE RECORD, OF COURSE, EARLY ON, ESPECIALLY THE 21:50:14 SENATE VOTE, TO SUPPORT THE WAR AND GIVE THE PRESIDENT THE GREEN 21:50:16 LIGHT. NOW THE HOUSE IS GOING TO BE 21:50:20 FLASHING A STRONG ORANGE LIGHT. "SLOW DOWN, CAUTION, DON'T DO 21:50:24 THIS." NOW, I FOUND VERY STRIKING TODAY 21:50:27 THAT THE PRESIDENT IN HIS PRESS CONFERENCE BASICALLY DISMISSED 21:50:31 THIS. WHO CARES? 21:50:33 A LOT OF KIVTIVES TWO WEEKS AGO SAID THIS WILL BE A TERRIBLE 21:50:36 THING IF YOU VOTE FOR THIS. YOU WILL BE GIVING INCOMING FOR 21:50:41 THE ENEMY AND DEMORALIZING TROOPS. 21:50:43 THE PRESIDENT SAID, THE ONLY THING I CARE ABOUT, WILL THEY 21:50:46 BIND MY HANDS IN TERMS OF MONEY? HE'S IN EFFECT CONCEDED DEFEAT 21:50:49 AND IT REALLY HAS MADE IT A LOT EASIER FOR REPUBLICANS TO GO AND 21:50:52 VOTE FOR IT. WE COULD EASILY SEE ON THE 21:50:56 HOUSE -- IN THE HOUSE VOTE AT LEAST TWO DOZEN REPUBLICANS -- 21:50:59 AND I THINK AFTER THE PRESIDENT CONCEDED DEFEAT TODAY, IT COULD 21:51:03 WELL GO ABOVE THAT. >> Larry: ALE HOLMES, RUDY 21:51:07 GIULIANI SAID THE ONLY THING HE DOESN'T LIKE ABOUT IT IS IT'S 21:51:10 NONBINDING? >> BECAUSE HE WAS POINTING OUT 21:51:13 IF THE DEMOCRATS REALLY DO OPPOSE THIS WAR, THEY OUT TO BE 21:51:16 PASSING BINDING RESOLUTION AND NOT SOMETHING MERELY SYMBOLIC. 21:51:20 BUT I THINK THE DEMOCRATS ARE MAKING A SEVERE MISTE, 21:51:23 ESPECIALLY IF THEY PASS BINDING RESOLUTION TO CUT FUNDING. 21:51:26 FIRST OF ALL "THE WALL STREET JOURNAL" SHOWS THE AMERICAN 21:51:28 PUBLIC DOES NOT WANT TO CUT FUNDS TO THE TROOPS THAT. 21:51:31 WILL MAKE DEMOCRATS VERY VULNERABLE. 21:51:33 SECONDLY, IF THE SURGE WERE TO FAIL, THEY WOULD BE COMPLICIT IN 21:51:36 THAT FAILURE BECAUSE THEY MIGHT HAVE CAPPED TROOPS WHEN EXTRA 21:51:39 TROOPS ARE NEEDED. PETRAEUS SAID THE EXTRA TROOPS 21:51:42 ARE ESSENTIAL OR IF THEY CUT FUNDING, THEY PUT THEMSELVES IN 21:51:44 A POSITION OF HAVING THEIR SO-CALLED WAR STRATEGY FAIL IN 21:51:49 IRAQ. >> Larry: MICHAEL ISIKOFF, WHAT 21:51:51 DO YOU MAKE OF THE CANDIDACY OF AL FRANKEN IN MINNESOTA? 21:51:55 >> I -- I GOT NOTHING FOR YOU ON THAT ONE. 21:51:58 BUT JUST, LOOK, ON THE RESOLUTION, IT'S NONBINDING SO 21:52:03 THE DEMOCRATS ARE NOT CUTTING OFF FUNDING AT THIS STAGE. 21:52:08 AND AMY IS RIGHT, THERE IS A RISK WERE THEY TO DO THAT IF 21:52:13 THEY STARTED TO MOVE IN THAT DIRECTION, THIS COULD COME 21:52:18 IMPLICIT. BUT YOU LOOK AT THE REDICK 21:52:21 COMING OUT FROM DEFENDING THE PRESIDENT, TALKING ABOUT HOW THE 21:52:25 CATASTROPHIC CONSEQUENCES OF A PULLOUT OF IRAQ AND HOW THIS IS 21:52:28 A KEY PART OF THE GLOBAL WAR ON TERROR. 21:52:30 AGAIN, I WANT TO TAKE YOU BACK TO -- LET'S GO BACK TO WHAT IS 21:52:34 THE PICTURE GOING TO LOOK LIKE SIX MONTHS DOWN THE ROAD? 21:52:36 EVERY ONE OF THESE HOUSE MEMBERS IS GOING TO BE UP FOR 21:52:40 RE-ELECTION. IF WE DON'T SEE MEASURABLE SIGNS 21:52:43 OF PROGRESS, THESE GUYS AND WOMEN WILL BE LOOKING AT RUNNING 21:52:46 FOR A WAR THAT IS COMPLETELY LOST THE SUPPORT OF THE AMERICAN 21:52:51 PUBLIC. >> IF YOU LIKE AT CHRIS CHASHGS 21:52:52 IT'S NOT JUST THAT. THEY ARE ALSO TALKING ABOUT IT'S 21:52:56 UNKONS TOOGSAL FOR THE CONGRESS TO BE USURPING THE POWER OF THE 21:52:59 COMMANDER IN CHIEF TO WAGE THIS WAR. 21:53:01 HE WAS GIVEN AUTHORIZATION BY THE UNITED STATES SENATE AND THE 21:53:04 UNITED STATES CONGRESS IN ORDER TO DO THIS. 21:53:06 AND YOU CANNOT HAVE 535 CONGRESSMEN AND SENATORS 21:53:10 MICROMANAGING THIS WAR. >> ACTUALLY, THIS IS ABSOLUTELY 21:53:13 NOT TRUE. AND JOHN EDWARDS IN HIS 21:53:17 ABSENCE -- >> Larry: HE COULDN'T MAKE IT, 21:53:20 BY THE WAY. >> HE WAS VERY ELOQUENT ON THIS 21:53:23 SUBJECT TODAY SAYING THERE'S NO WAY THE CONGRESS HAS ACTUALLY 21:53:26 AUTHORIZED THE CONTINUATION OF WHAT IS HAPPENING NOW, WHICH IS 21:53:30 EFFECTUALLY B REFEREEING A WAR. AT THE PRESS CONFERENCE, THE 21:53:35 PRESIDENT REFUSED TO CALL IT A CIVIL WAR. 21:53:37 AS HE PUT IT VERY QUAINTLY, LIVING IN THIS BEAUTIFUL WHITE 21:53:40 HOUSE, HOW CAN HE POSSIBLY KNOW IF THERE'S A CIVIL WAR? 21:53:43 THE TRUTH IS, IT IS A CIVIL WAR. WAY TOO MANY MILITARY EXPERTS 21:53:47 HAVE CALLED IT A CIVIL WAR. WE SEE THE RESULTS EVERY DAY. 21:53:50 THE FACT IS THE TROOPS ARE THERE REFEREEING A CIVIL WAR. 21:53:53 >> Larry: I HAVE TO GET A BREAK. WHEN I COME BACK, I WANT TO ASK 21:53:57 YOU ABOUT AL FRANKEN. IN YOUR OLD CONSERVATIVE DAYS 21:53:59 YOU DID A GREAT BIT WITH AL FRANKEN. 21:54:02 YOU BOTH WERE IN BED TOGETHER ARGUING. 21:54:03 >> WAIT UNTIL THAT COMES OUT. IT WILL SINK HIS CAMPAIGN! 21:54:07 >> Larry: WAIT UNTIL THAT COMES OUT. 21:54:09 FRANKEN IS DONE. AS WE GO TO BREAK, HERE'S 21:54:12 PRESIDENT BUSH AT THE PRESS CONFERENCE. 21:54:15 >> THERE ARE WEAPONS IN IRAQ THAT ARE HARMING U.S. TROOPS 21:54:17 BECAUSE OF THE KKD FOERZ. AS YOU KNOW THE KUDZ FORCE IS 21:54:30 PART OF THE IRANIAN GOVERNMENT. WHETHER AHMADINEJAD ENFORCED 21:54:33 THIS, WE DON'T KNOW. BUT AS YOU KNOW THEY ARE THERE 21:54:35 AND I INTEND TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT. 21:54:40 T IT GOT US DOING MORE TO PROCT OUR HEALTH... 21:54:42 LI TAKING SILV. [ Announcer ] CENTM SILVER 21:54:43 AGE JUSTED MULTIVITAMI... HAVE KEY ANTIODANTS THAT HELP 21:54:46 SUPPORT NATURAL LL REPAIR. >> Larry: DAVID GERGEN, THE 21:57:16 SCOOTER LIBBY TRIAL IS OVER. THE JURY TAKES IT TOMORROW. 21:57:20 WHY SO FAST? >> WELL, I WAS STUNNED THAT 21:57:25 SCOOTER LIBBY AND DICK CHENEY BOTH DECIDED NOT TO TESTIFY. 21:57:29 THERE'S ONE THEORY THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT THE DEFENSE ATTORNEYS 21:57:33 THINK THEY ALREADY WON THIS. BUT MANY PEOPLE CAME OUT OF 21:57:37 THE -- OF THE PROSECUTION SIDE THINKING THAT THE PROSECUTION 21:57:39 WAS AHEAD IN THIS CASE AND THE SCOOTER LIBBY DEFENSE HAS NOT 21:57:43 BEEN SUFFICIENT. SO IT -- GUESS THEY ARE AVOIDING 21:57:47 POTENTIAL EMBARRASSMENT BUT IT'S NORMALLY THE CASE IF YOU DON'T 21:57:50 PUT YOUR GUY UP THERE ON THE DEFENSE SIDE, YOU GIVE AN AWFUL 21:57:54 LOT TO THE OTHER SIDE. IT MAKES IT MUCH TOUGHER TO WIN 21:57:57 THE CASE. >> Larry: MICHAEL, WHAT IS THE 21:58:00 PRESIDENT, IF ANYTHING, DO ABOUT IRAN? 21:58:02 >> IRAN? YOU KNOW, I THINK THE PRESS 21:58:07 CONFERENCE TODAY WAS VERY REVEALING. 21:58:10 HE WAS FACED WITH THIS CONTRADICTION, WHICH HE HAD TO 21:58:14 ACKNOWLEDGE, THAT WHILE THERE IS THIS EVIDENCE OF IRANIAN 21:58:18 COMPONENTS BEING -- SHOWING UP IN IRAQ, PARTICULARLY THESE -- 21:58:22 THE IMPROVISED EXPLOSIVE DEVICES THAT SEEM TO BE MADE IN IRAN, NO 21:58:26 LEAR EVIDENTIARY TRAIL ON WHETHER THIS IS ORDERED FROM 21:58:30 OFFICIALS OF THE IRANIAN GOVERNMENT, AND IF SO, HOW HIGH 21:58:33 IN THE IRANIAN GOVERNMENT? THAT WAS GENERAL PACE, THE JOINT 21:58:39 CHIEFS, MADE THOSE COMMENTS TODAY AND KIND OF UNDERCUT THE 21:58:42 WHOLE THURSDAY THE OF ADMINISTRATION RHETORIC OVER THE 21:58:46 LAST FEW WEEKS. AND IT JUST LEAVES WHITE OPEN 21:58:48 WHAT THE POLICY IMPLICATIONS OF THIS ARE. 21:58:51 I THINK A LOT OF SKEPTICS AT THIS POINT SEE THE EMPHASIS ON 21:58:56 IRAN AS, AS MUCH A DIVERSION AS ANYTHING ELSE. 21:59:04 i think that a lot of skeptics at this point see the emphasis on Iran as, as much diversionary for political reasons as they do anything else. KING: Amy, what do you make of all of these early debates? HOLMES: I think that they're an opportunity for the American public to see these candidates, but unfortunately, it allows those candidates who are well funded, who have high name I.D., to be able to race out ahead of what they call second and third tier candidates in the Republican Party. That would be Mike Huckabee, for example. So in that -- in that case, then it's not a great -- a great system for being able to see who all of these people are who want to be president of the United States. KING: And we've only got 20 seconds. Are you going to go run home and blog this? HUFFINGTON: Yes, and in fact, the Huffington Post, in partnership with YouTube, are going to put on the first online presidential debate and we're going to get video questions from all around the country, especially young people. KING: An online video debate? HUFFINGTON: Online debate in real time. KING: Thank you all very much. Michael Isikoff, David Gergen, Arianna Huffington, and Amy Holmes. It is Valentine's Day. We don't often get personal on this show, but I want to take a moment and wish a very happy Valentine's to my lovely wife, Shawn, who is not only a great gal and a terrific wife but a partner in life and in love. Much kisses, much happiness. You deserve it. Happy Valentine's Day to the wife. And to all of you with all of yours as well. We now turn it over -- I'm sure he has the same sentiments -- to John Roberts, who will sit in for Anderson Cooper and host "AC 360" -- John. ROBERTS: Hey, Larry, thanks very much. And yes, happy Valentine's Day to my wife and everyone else out there who's celebrating this day.

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[CNN: LARRY KING LIVE - RUDY GIULIANI / JOHN EDWARDS] [LOS ANGELES, ca usa] LARRY KING LIVE FOR WEDNESDAY, FEBRUARY 14, 2007 GUEST: FORMER NEW YORK MAYOR RUDOLPH GIULIANI / RUDY GIULIANI AND JOHN EDWARDS TALK ABOUT THEIR PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGNS. 21:00:23 >> Larry: TONIGHT -- RUDY GIULIANI ANSWERS THE BIG ONE. 21:00:26 ARE YOU RUNNING OR NOT? >> YEAH, I'M RUNNING. 21:00:28 >> Larry: WHAT WOULD HE DO AS AMERICA'S NEXT PRESIDENT? 21:00:30 HOW ABOUT IRAQ, ABORTION, GAY RIGHTS AND MORE? 21:00:35 NEW YORK'S FORMER MAYOR TAKES ON SOME TOUGH QUESTIONS. 21:00:39 >> OF COURSE, THEY WERE MISTAKES. 21:00:42 >> Larry: PLUS, DEMOCRATIC PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE JOHN 21:00:44 EDWARDS ON THE CONTROVERSY THAT HAD SOME CALLING HIS CAMPAIGN 21:00:50 ANTI-CATHOLIC. IT'S ALL NEXT ON "LARRY KING 21:00:51 LIVE." GOOD EVENING. 21:01:01 WE WELCOME TO "LARRY KING LIVE" A OLD FRIEND, RUDY GIULIANI, WHO 21:01:05 HAS FORMED AN EXPLORATORY COMMIT DWROI A 2008 RACE WHICH USUALLY 21:01:11 LEADS TO AN ADVISORY COMMITTEE AND MAYBE COMMIT KBRI. 21:01:14 ARE YOU RUNNING OR NOT? >> I'M RUN. 21:01:16 >> Larry: ARE YOU MAKING AN OFFICIAL ANNOUNCEMENT OR IS THIS 21:01:19 IT? HERE RIGHT NOW? 21:01:20 >> I GUESS YOU DO ONE OF THESE THINGS FOUR, FIVE TIMES IN A DAY 21:01:24 SO I CAN GET ON YOUR SHOW AND ABOUT FIVE OTHERS. 21:01:27 >> Larry: SO YOU'RE RUN SOMETHING. 21:01:28 >> YEAH. >> Larry: FINAL -- WHAT LED TO 21:01:30 THE DECISION? >> I THINK I CAN MAKE A 21:01:32 DIFFERENCE. I BELIEVE THE COUNTRY NEEDS 21:01:33 LEADERSHIP. I THINK WE ARE GOING THROUGH A 21:01:38 WAR ON TERROR OR TERRORISTS' WAR AGAINST US, WHICH MAYBE IS A 21:01:41 BETTER WAY TO DESCRIBE IT. WE HAVE LOTS OF PROBLEMS WE HAVE 21:01:44 TO TACKLE AND RESOLVEMENT WE NEED FISCAL DISCIPLINE. 21:01:47 WE NEED BETTER EDUCATION. WE NEED ENERGY INDEPENDENCE. 21:01:50 THERE ARE SO MANY THINGS WE HAVE NOT SORT OF TACKLED. 21:01:53 ONE OF THE THINGS I DO IS -- >> Larry: TACKLE THINGS. 21:01:57 >> TACKLE THINGS, LEAD. TRY TO GET THINGS DONE. 21:02:03 >> Larry: CUT TO THE TRUTH, YOU'RE SAYING I'M THE BEST. 21:02:06 IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAY SOMETHING. 21:02:07 >> YES, AND VERY HUMBLING. IT TAKES A LONG TIME TO COME TO 21:02:11 THE:COLLUSION WITH ALL OF YOUR IMPERFECTION, ALL OF THE THINGS 21:02:14 WE ALL ARE. NONE OF DOUSE EVERYTHING ELSE. 21:02:17 NONE OF US ARE PERFECT. YOU HAVE TO SAY TO YOURSELF IS 21:02:25 THIS SOMETHING TO DO? FOR A KID FROM BROOKLYN, 21:02:27 SOMETIMES YOU SAY, GEE, IS THIS REALLY HAPPEN SOMETHING AND 21:02:29 OTHER TIMES YOU WAKE UP AND SAY,KY DO THIS. 21:02:32 >> Larry: LET'S GET TO SOME ISSUES. 21:02:34 A LEADING INDUSTRIALIST FRIEND OF MINE SAYS, IF THE UNITED 21:02:37 STATES WAS A CORPORATION, BASED ON THE IRAQ WAR, EVERYBODY ON 21:02:40 TOP WOULD BE FIRE. HOW WOULD YOU COMMENT ON THAT? 21:02:43 IN OTHER WORDS, MEANING IT AIN'T GOING RIGHT. 21:02:44 >> THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN TRUE -- HE WOULD HAVE SAID THE SAME 21:02:47 THING ABOUT THE CIVIL WAR AND ABRAHAM LINCOLN WOULD HAVE BEEN 21:02:50 FIRED AND MIGHT HAVE SAID THE SAME THING ABOUT THE BATTLE OF 21:02:53 THE BULGE AND EISENHOWER AND MARSH ALL WOULD HAVE BEEN FIRED. 21:02:57 >> Larry: ARE YOU SAYING THIS WILL ALL TURN AROUND? 21:02:59 >> I'M NOT CONFIDENT IT WILL ALL TURN AROUND. 21:03:01 WHO KNOWS THAT? YOU NEVER KNOW THAT IN A MIDDLE 21:03:04 OF A WAR. I'M CONFIDENT WE HAVE TO TRY TO 21:03:09 MAKE IT TURN AROUND. WE CAN'T JUST WALK OUT. 21:03:12 IT'S CRITICAL TO US THAT THINGS GET TO THE POINT IN IRAQ WHERE 21:03:15 WE HAVE SOME DEGREE OF STABILITY AND NOT WAY THEY ARE NOW. 21:03:18 IF WE LEAVE IT THE WAY IT IS NOW AND WE RUN OUT, THEN WE WILL 21:03:22 FACE FURTHER DIFFICULTIES IN THE FUTURE. 21:03:24 WE WILL LOSE MORE LIES IN THE FUTURE. 21:03:25 I WILL TELL YOU WHO TELLS ME THAT, A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO HAVE 21:03:28 BEEN THERE. WAYS JUST IN SAN DIEGO SPEAKING 21:03:31 TO SAILORS AND MARINES THAT HAVE BEEN IN IRAQ. 21:03:33 THAT'S WHAT THEY TELL ME. THEY TELL ME, LOOK, THIS IS A 21:03:37 VOLUNTEER ARMY, YOU WANT TO TAKE OUR ADVICE. 21:03:39 OUR ADVICE IS, GIVE US A CHANCE TO TRY TO STABILIZE THIS THAT 21:03:44 PLACE, OTHERWISE WE KNOW WHAT WILL HAPPEN TWOXT YEARS FROM NOW 21:03:46 YOU WILL SEND US BACK BECAUSE THERE WILL BE A MAJOR WAR IN 21:03:49 THIS AREA. >> Larry: WHAT DO YOU DO TO 21:03:51 CHANGE IT? 20,000 TROOPS GOING TO CHANGE 21:03:53 IT? >> I HOPE THEY CHANGE THE WHOLE 21:03:55 STRATEGY, WHICH I HOPE THEY DID. THE WHOLE STRATEGY HAS TO BE A 21:03:59 STRATEGY OF NOT JUST PACIFYING PLACES BUT HOLDING THEM AND 21:04:05 HOLDING THEM FOR SOME PERIOD OF TIME. 21:04:06 IT REMINDS ME A LITTLE, ON A MUCH BIGGER SCALE, WHAT I HAD TO 21:04:10 DO TO REDUCE CRIME IN NEW YORK CITY. 21:04:12 WE HAD TO NOT JUST GO INTO NEIGHBORHOODS AND NATH SAFE, 21:04:16 WHICH THE CITY HAD BEEN DOING FOR YEARS. 21:04:17 THE CITY HAD BEEN GOING IN THERE MAKING THEM SAFE AND LEAVING AND 21:04:20 GOING TO OTHER PLACES. MAKE IT SAFE, LEAVE. 21:04:22 WE HAVE TO GO, MAKE IT SAFE AND IN THE AREAS, DISTRICTS OF 21:04:26 BAGHDAD, AND STAY THERE FOR A PERIOD OF TIME AND STABILIZE IT 21:04:30 AND ALLOW PEOPLE TO HAVE THEIR KIDS GO TO SCHOOL. 21:04:34 WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, THERE WAS A REAL DOUBT AS TO WHETHER WE 21:04:41 COULD DO THIS NATION BUILDING. LOW PRESSURE WE WERE NOT GOING 21:04:45 TO DO IT. >> AND IT'S REALLY HARD TO DO 21:04:49 AND DIFFERENT THAN THE MILITARY HAD TO DO IN THE PAST OR 21:04:51 AMERICA. BUT RIGHT NOW IF WE DON'T DO A 21:04:53 BETTER JOB OF STABILIZING IRAQ, NOT JUST FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE 21:04:57 IRAQI PEOPLE, FOR THE BENEFIT OF OUR PEOPLE, THEN WE HAVE A 21:05:01 COUNTRY WHERE IRAN HAS GOT A MAJOR, MAJOR ABILITY TO EXPAND 21:05:05 THEIR ACTIVITIES. TWO SHIITE COUNTRIES RIGHT NEXT 21:05:08 TO EACH OTHER, SLAUGHTERING -- ONE GROUP AT LEAST, IS 21:05:12 SLAUGHTERING SUNNIS. >> Larry: WOULD YOU AGREE, MR. 21:05:14 MAYOR, IF THEY HAD TO DO THIS ALL OVER AGAIN, GO BACK YEARS, 21:05:18 NOBODY WOULD VOTE FOR THE IRAQ WAR. 21:05:22 100 TO NOTHING PROBABLY IN THE SENATE. 21:05:24 >> I GUESS. BUT I'M NOT SURE THAT EXPLAINS 21:05:26 WHAT'S RIGHT ABOUT US. THE IDEA OF TAKING OUT SADDAM 21:05:30 HUSSEIN WAS ONE THAT WAS PREMISED ON THE FACT THAT HE 21:05:33 INVADED KUWAIT, THAT HE USED CHEMICAL WEAPONS, THAT HE HAD 21:05:37 BILLIONS OF DOLLARS AT HIS DISPOSAL, WHICH HE USED TO 21:05:40 SUPPORT VARIOUS PARTS OF THIS ISLAMIC TERRORIST MOVEMENT. 21:05:44 >> Larry: YOU'RE NOT SAYING YOU WOULD DO IT AGAIN? 21:05:46 >> I WOULD REMOVE SADDAM HUSSEIN AGAIN. 21:05:48 I JUST HOPE WE DO IT BETTER AND IN A DIFFERENT WAY. 21:05:50 WE DO THE NATION BUILDING PART OR THE HANDOFF TO THE IRAQIS OR 21:05:55 REBUILDING OF THE IRAQIS -- HERE ARE THE THINGS I HAVE LEARNED 21:05:59 FROM IT. I 21:06:02 I WOULD TAKE OUT SADDAM HUSSEIN IN A SECOND AGAIN. 21:06:04 I THINK THE WORLD IS MUCH BETTER OFF WITHOUT SADDAM HUSSEIN THAN 21:06:06 WITH HIM. I THINK SOME OF THE CONFUSION 21:06:08 DOES NOT LEAD US TO REALLY SEE THAT. 21:06:10 HERE'S WHAT I WOULD CHANGE -- DO IT WITH MORE TROOPS -- 21:06:13 >> Larry: WHEN WAS RECOMMENDED AND TURNED DOWN. 21:06:17 >> MAYBE 150,000 MORE. WOULD I DO IT IN A WAY WHICH WE 21:06:21 DID NOT DISBAND THE ARMY, WHICH WE LEARNED. 21:06:23 THIS IS ALL MONDAY MORNING QUARTERBACKING BUT THE MONDAY 21:06:25 MOERN QB, IN ORDER TO PLAY THE NEXT GAME BETTER, MONDAY MORE 21:06:30 THAN QUARTERBACK, YOU JUST WANT TO CRITICIZE, CHEAP STUFF. 21:06:33 MONDAY MORNING QUARTERBACK NEXT SATURDAY OR SUNDAY SO YOU CAN 21:06:35 PLAY BETTER IS ABSOLUTELY RIGHT. I WOULD -- I WOULD HAVE US NOT 21:06:40 DISBAND THE ARMY. YOU WOULD NOT DEBADGE PHI. 21:06:44 SEE, IT SOUNDS LIKE THE RIGHT THING TO DO. 21:06:46 YOU'RE GETTING RID OF ALL OF THE SOLD ZAMD GUYS BUT THAT MEANT 21:06:50 GETTING RID OF THE ENTIRE CIVIL SERVICE. 21:06:53 THE COUNTRY HAD NO INFRASTRUCTURE. 21:06:55 >> Larry: SO WHO DO YOU BLAME, RUMSFELD? 21:06:56 >> I DON'T BLAME ANYBODY. >> Larry: SOMEBODY HAS -- 21:06:59 NOBODY'S TO BLAME? >> YOU DON'T DO IT THAT WAY. 21:07:03 THAT IS WHY YOU DON'T MAKE PROGRESS. 21:07:05 I DON'T BLAME PEOPLE FOR NOT FIGURING OUT SEPTEMBER 11 BEFORE 21:07:07 IT HAPPENED. I KIND OF LOOK AT WHAT HAPPENED 21:07:10 SO YOU LEARN FOR THE FUTURE. >> Larry: THERE WERE MISTAKE 21:07:13 ZBLZ OF COURSE THERE WERE MISTAKES. 21:07:15 LINCOLN MADE MISTAKES. ROOSEVELT MADE MISTAKES. 21:07:17 IDES ENHOUR MADE MISTAKES. THE BATTLE OF THE BULGE WAS THE 21:07:21 BIGGEST INTELLIGENCE IDEA IN THE HISTORY OF AMERICA, MUCH BIGGER 21:07:24 THAN VIETNAM OR NOW. WE DIDN'T KNOW THE SOVIETS WERE 21:07:28 MOVING 400,000, 500,000 TROOPS. >> Larry: SHOULD THEY BE BLAMED 21:07:32 FROM NOT EXPLAINING -- >> LEARN FROM IT. 21:07:35 >> Larry: THE AMERICAN PUBLIC IS SO AGAINST IT. 21:07:36 HAVE THEY DONE A BAD JOB IN EXPLAIN SOMETHING. 21:07:39 >> MAYBE, MAYBE. >> Larry: WOULD YOU COMMUNICATE 21:07:41 BETTER? >> I DON'T KNOW. 21:07:42 I HOPE I WOULD. I HOPE THAT I WOULD LEARN FROM 21:07:45 THE MISTAKES THAT WERE MADE IN THIS SITUATION, LIKE THE 21:07:54 MISTAKES I MAY AS MAYOR, I LEARNED FROM THEM. 21:07:58 IF I AM PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES, I WILL NOT MAKE THE SAME 21:08:02 MISTAKES I WILL LEARN FROM THEM AND MABLG NEW ONES. 21:08:06 AND I WILL LEARN FROM PRESIDENT CLINTON AND GEORGE BUSH. 21:08:09 THIS JOB IS SO DIFFICULT. YOU HAVE TO HAVE HUMILITY ABOUT 21:08:12 IT AND YOU HAVE TO UNDERSTAND HOW TO LOOK AT THE PAST, NOT 21:08:15 ONLY IN A WAY THAT CASTS BLAME, BUT YOU LEARN FROM IT. 21:08:18 >> Larry: THE HOUSE SPARPTLY ABOUT TO VOTE AND WILL VOTE 21:08:20 APPARENTLY, TO SAY THIS 20,000 TROOPS IS A MISTAKE. 21:08:25 IMPORTANT QUESTION -- DO YOU HOLD THOSE WHO VOTE FOR THAT AS 21:08:27 HELPING THE ENEMY? >> NO. 21:08:29 I HOLD THEM AS -- >> Larry: SOME SAY THAT. 21:08:31 YOU DON'T? >> AS PRACTICE, YOU CAN LOOK AT 21:08:34 THE PRACTICAL AND CONCLUSION ANY WAY YOU WAUCHBLT BUT WE HAVE A 21:08:42 RIGHT OF FREE SPEECH THIS THIS COUNTRY. 21:08:44 WE ELECT PEOPLE TO MAKE DECISIONS. 21:08:45 HERE'S WHAT I WOULD PREFER TO SEE THEM DO. 21:08:49 IF YOU ASK ME WHAT'S MY VIEW ON THAT. 21:08:52 THE NONBINDING RESOLUTION THING GETS ME MORE THAN ARE YOU FOR IT 21:08:54 OR AGAINST IT. I HAVE TREMENDOUS RESPECT FOR 21:08:58 THE PEOPLE WHO FEEL THAT WE EITHER MADE A MISTAKE GOING TO 21:09:02 WAR, WHO VOTED AGAINST THE WAR, WHO NOW HAVE COME TO THE 21:09:05 CONCLUSION, CHANGED THEIR MINDS. THEY HAVE EVER RIGHT TO THAT 21:09:09 THAT IT'S WRONG. YOU SHOULD IN A DYNAMIC 21:09:13 SITUATION KEEP QUESTIONING. BUT THERE'S NO DECISION. 21:09:17 >> Larry: IT'S A STATEMENT. >> THAT'S WHAT YOU DO AND WHAT 21:09:21 TIM RUSSERT DOES AND RUSH LIMBAUGH DOES. 21:09:23 MAKE COMMENTS. WE PAK THEM TO MAKE DECISIONS, 21:09:26 NOT JUST TO MAKE COMMENTS. WE PAY THEM TO DECIDE. 21:09:30 THE UNITED STATES CONGRESS DOES DECLARATIONS OF WAR. 21:09:33 >> Larry: IF YOU FEEL THAT WAY, WITHHOLD FUNDS, THAT'S THE WAY 21:09:37 YOU FEEL? >> THE ONES I THINK HAVE A 21:09:39 BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT THEIR RESPONSIBILITY IS ARE -- 21:09:44 AND ARE WILLING TO TAKE A RISK, ARE THE ONES WHO ARE SAYING, WE 21:09:47 HAVE GOT TO HOLD BACK THE FUNDS. WE HAVE TO VOTE AGAINST THE WAR 21:09:51 OR WE ARE FOR THE WAR. MAYBE IT'S BECAUSE I RAN A 21:09:55 GOVERNMENT, AND I TEND TO BE A DECISIVE PERSON. 21:09:57 I LIKE DECISIONS. ONE OF THE THINGS WRONG WITH 21:09:59 WASHINGTON IS, THEY DON'T WANT TO MAKE TOUGH DECISIONS ANYMORE. 21:10:04 NONBINDING RESOLUTION ABOUT IRAQ, NO DECISION ON 21:10:07 IMMIGRATION. NO DECISION ON SOCIAL SECURITY 21:10:09 REFORM. NO DECISION ON WHAT TO DO ABOUT 21:10:11 ENERGY INDEPENDENCE. NO DECISION. 21:10:12 YOU KNOW WHY THAT HAPPENS? BECAUSE IT'S UNPOPULAR. 21:10:15 >> Larry: I HAVE TO TAKE A BREAK. 21:10:17 I DON'T WANT TO TAKE YOUR HEART, BUT IF YOU'RE PRESIDENT, YOU 21:10:21 CANNOT ROOT FOR THE YANKEES. >> YOU HAVE TO MAKE DECISIONS. 21:10:24 >> Larry: YOU HAVE TO ROOT FOR EVERYBODY. 21:10:25 RUDY GIULIANI IS OUR GUEST AND READ CANDIDATE. 21:10:26 HE'S RUNNING! WE WILL BE RIGHT BACK. 21:13:23 >> Larry: LET'S MOVE TO SOME THINGS DOMESTIC. 21:13:27 YOU HAVE HAD SOME CALLS LATELY THAT SEEM CONTRADICTORY. 21:13:30 I KNOW YOU'RE PRO-CHOICE. YOU ARE ALWAYS WHOA CHOICE AND 21:13:34 YET YOU SAID YOU WILL APPOINT JUDGE THAT'S ARE STRICT 21:13:39 CONSTRUCTIST AND THEY DID OVERTURN ROE VS. WADE. 21:13:44 >> DON'T THINK THAT 1234. >> Larry: HOW DO YOU EXPLAIN IS 21:13:48 THAT THAT? >> I'M PRO-CHOICE BUT I'M ALSO, 21:13:52 AS YOU KNOW, AGAINST ABORTION, HATE ABORTION. 21:13:54 DON'T LIKE IT. WOULD NOT PERSONALLY ADVISE 21:13:57 ANYONE TO HAVE ABORTION. BUT I BELIEVE A WOMAN HAS A 21:13:59 RIGHT TO CHOOSE. CAN YOU NOT HAVE CRIMINAL 21:14:01 PENALTIES, AND I THINK THAT WOULD BE WRONG. 21:14:03 I WOULD SELECT JUDGES WHO TRY TO INTERPRET THE CONSTITUTION, 21:14:08 RATHER THAN INVENT IT, FROM MY VIEWS AS A LAWYER AND -- I DON'T 21:14:12 WANT TO SOUND PRESHUM CHEWOUS, I'M NOT A CONSTITUTIONAL LAWYER 21:14:16 BUT I HAVE ARGUED IN THE SUPREME COURT, AND I HAVE ARGUED IN MANY 21:14:21 OF THE CIRCUIT COURTS. SPENT MORE TIME IN COURTS THAN I 21:14:23 HAVE IN POLITICS. I THINK IT'S VERY IMPORTANT AND 21:14:29 FOR A JUDGE TO HAVE A PHILOSOPHICAL POLICY THAT SAIDLY 21:14:32 FIGURE OUT WHAT THE FRAMERS OF THE CONSTITUTION MEANT WHEN THEY 21:14:36 WROTE THIS OR WHAT THEY MEANT WHEN THEY PUT IT IN. 21:14:39 NOT WHAT I WOULD LIKE IT TO MEAN OR I FEEL IT MEANS. 21:14:41 HI THAT VIEW ABOUT THE CRIMINAL LAW. 21:14:43 I THOUGHT A LOT OF DECISIONS OF THE WARREN COURT WERE A MISTAKE. 21:14:47 I THAUS COLLUSIONARY RULE WAS A MISTAKE TOXT SOME EXTENT MIRANDA 21:14:50 WAS A MISTAKE. HERE'S WHAT THE COURT DID WITH 21:14:52 THOSE. A LOT OF PEOPLE THOUGHT WITH THE 21:14:56 BERGER -- >> Larry: LAWYERS LOVE MIRANDA. 21:14:58 MADE CASES MORE SOLID. >> MIRANDA IS OKAY, BUT WHEN 21:15:01 PEOPLE DON'T GIVE A MIRANDA WARNING QUICKLY ENOUGH WHEN 21:15:06 BLURTS OUT A CONFESSION, I STILL WANT TO PUT THAT MURDERER IN 21:15:10 JAIL. WHEN A COP MAKES A MISTAKE AND 21:15:12 FINDING A WEAPON OR DRUGS, I NEVER LIKED THE IDEA OF GIVING 21:15:15 IT BACK TO THE CRIMINAL. HERE'S WHAT THE COURT DID. 21:15:17 THE TWO COURTS THAT CAME AFTER -- TWO CONSERATIVE COURT 21:15:22 THAT'S CAME AFTER, BERGER AND REHNQUIST, PEOPLE THOUGHT THEY 21:15:25 WOULD OVERRULE MIRANDA. THEY DID NOT OVERRULE IT. 21:15:29 THEY LIMITED IT. AND LIMITED IT TO THE POINT 21:15:31 WHERE IT IS NOW QUITE RATIONAL. >> Larry: ARE YOU PRETTY SURE NO 21:15:35 MATTER WHAT YOU'RE PIPTED, ROE VS. WADE WOULD REMAIN? 21:15:38 >> NOBODY KNOW THAT'S. >> Larry: WOULD IT HURT YOU IF 21:15:41 IT WAS OVERTURNED? >> DON'T THINK IT WOULD HELP OR 21:15:43 HURT ME. >> Larry: WOULD YOU BE 21:15:46 INDIFFERENT TO IT? >> I WOULD NOT BE INDIFFERENT TO 21:15:49 IT. IT WOULD NOT BE LITMUS TEST I 21:15:51 WOULD APPOINT SOMEBODY. WOULD I APPOINT SOMEBODY WHO I 21:15:53 THOUGHT WOULD BE A GOOD JUDGE WHO WOULD DO THE BEST THEY COULD 21:15:56 DO INTERPRET THE CONSTITUTION. MAYBE NINE TIMES OUT OF TEN, I 21:15:59 WILL BE SATISFIED WITH THAT PINTMENT AND ONE OUT OF TEN 21:16:04 TIMES, I WOULD BE SITTING THERE LIKE USED TO DO WHEN I APPOINTED 21:16:07 LOTS OF PEOPLE AT MAYOR, HOW COULD THEY DO THAT? 21:16:10 I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND WHY THEY DID. 21:16:13 >> Larry: YOU'RE BASICALLY PRO THE GAY MOVEMENT. 21:16:14 GAYS HAVE EQUAL RIGHTS TO HETRO, INSURANCE BENEFITS AND ALL OF 21:16:19 THAT. >> GAYS SHOULD PROTECTED. 21:16:22 I SIGNED THE DOMESTIC PARTNERSHIP LAW IN NEW YORK. 21:16:25 THE WAY I DRIVE MY OPPONENTS, THEY SAY I'M IN FAVOR OF GAY 21:16:30 MARRIAGE. I DID 220 WEDDINGS, ALL BETWEEN 21:16:32 A MAN AND WOMAN. I HOPE THEY WERE ALL BETWEEN A 21:16:35 MAN AND WOMAN. IT LOOKED THAT WAY AT THE TIME. 21:16:38 BUT, YEAH, I BELIEVE MARRIAGE IS P SOMETHING THAT SHOULD BE 21:16:42 BETWEEN A MAN AND A WOMAN AND THE WAY TO HANDLE THIS AND THE 21:16:47 WAY TO HANDLE RESPECT AND EVERYTHING ELSE IS HAVE 21:16:49 SOMETHING LIKE DOMESTIC PARTNERSHIP, WHICH I SUPPORT. 21:16:51 >> Larry: WOULD YOU FAVOR CON TUSAL AMENDMENT FAVORING 21:16:55 MARRIAGE BETWEEN A MAN AND WOMAN? 21:16:57 >> NOT UNLESS IT REMAINS -- NOT IF IT REMAINS THE WAY IT IS NOW. 21:17:03 UNLESS A LOT OF OTHER STATES DO WHAT MASSACHUSETTS DOES, COME 21:17:06 OUT SANE, YOU CAN R CANNOT HAVE MARRIAGE BETWEEN MAN AND WOMAN. 21:17:10 IF IT CHANGES, MAYBE VERY WELL. >> Larry: ARE YOU IN FAVOR OF 21:17:14 GUN CONTROL? >> I DID. 21:17:15 BUT I ALSO UNDERSTAND THE SECOND AMENDMENT. 21:17:17 I UNDERSTAND THE RIGHT TO BEAR ARMS. 21:17:20 A LOT OF THESE THINGS HAVE TO BE RESOLVED ON A STATE-BY-STATE 21:17:23 BASIS. I USED TO SAY OFTEN WHEN I WAS 21:17:26 THE MAYOR, ONE THING FOR NEW YORK, AND SOMETHING DIFFERENT 21:17:29 FOR TEXAS. >> Larry: RUDY, WILL IT BE ROUGH 21:17:31 FOR YOU -- BY THE WAY, BIG PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE APRIL 4 IN 21:17:35 NEW HAMPSHIRE. DEMOCRATS ONE NIGHT. 21:17:37 REPUBLICANS THE NEXT. CNN IS COSPNSERRING IT WITH 21:17:41 WMMR. ARE YOU GOING TO COME? 21:17:42 >> I DIDN'T KNOW. >> Larry: I'M INVITING YOU ON 21:17:45 BEHALF OF CNN. >> LET ME TAKE A LOOK. 21:17:47 >> Larry: IF YOUR SCHEDULE IS OPEN, WILL YOU COME? 21:17:49 >> LET ME TAKE A LOOK. >> Larry: WILL IT BE HARD FOR 21:17:52 YOU? YOU'RE WAY AHEAD IN THE POLLS, 21:17:54 BY THE WAY. YOU COULD WIN THE ELECTION BUT 21:17:58 NOT THE NOMINATION BECAUSE YOU CANNOT WIN SOUTH CAROLINA. 21:18:00 YOU CANNOT WIN ALABAMA. WITH THE VIEWS YOU HAVE, VIA 21:18:05 ABORTION GAIN RIGHTS. >> YOU HEARD THE VIEWS THAT I 21:18:06 HAVE AND THERE ARE A LOT OF OTHER ISSUES YOU CAN COVER. 21:18:10 >> Larry: HOW TOUGH WILL BE IT FOR YOU IN THE SOUTH? 21:18:11 >> I HAVE BEEN IN SOUTH CAROLINA QUITE A BIT AND OTHER PARTS OF 21:18:14 THE SOUTH. SEEMS LIKE THEY ARE OPEN. 21:18:17 SEEKS LIKE PEOPLE ARE OPEN TO MAYBE APPROACHING THIS ELECTION 21:18:20 A LITTLE DIFFERENTLY FROM THE POINT -- BOTH ON THE REPUBLICAN 21:18:22 SIDE AND DEMOCRATIC SIDE. WE NEED LEADERSHIP. 21:18:25 I THINK THERE'S AN UNDERSTANDING THAT YOU CANNOT -- YOU CAN NEVER 21:18:28 FIND A CANDIDATE YOU AGREE WITH 100% OF THE TIME. 21:18:31 I DON'T AGREE WITH MYSELF 100% OF A TIME. 21:18:33 HOW ARE YOU GOING TO FIND A CANDIDATE AWE GRE WITH -- 21:18:36 >> Larry: YOU THINK THEY WILL VOTE FOR YOU? 21:18:38 >> I THINK THEY WILL ON THE BASIS OF LEADERSHIP. 21:18:42 I THINK THEY WILL ON THE BASIS WE NEED SOMEBODY WHO CAN 21:18:46 ULTIMATELY HAND THL COUNTRY AT A TIME OF WAR AND AT A TIME WE 21:18:49 HAVE TOUGH THINGS TO FACE WE HAVE NOT BEEN FACING FOR A 21:18:51 WHILE. >> Larry: A COUPLE OTHER QUICK 21:18:54 THINGS, YOUR ROLGS RELATIONSHIP WITH BERNIE CAREY, POTENTIAL 21:18:57 CAMPAIGN PROBLEM? >> YOU MEAN HIS -- RECOMMENDING 21:19:00 HIM? IT WAS A MISTAKE. 21:19:01 I MADE A MISTAKE. >> Larry: YOU THINK IT WILL HURT 21:19:03 YOU? YOU THINK AN OPPONENT WILL BRING 21:19:07 IT UP? WHY AM I BRINGING IT UP! 21:19:09 >> YES, I THINK THE ANSWER IS, I MADE A MISTAKE AND TYKE 21:19:13 RESPONSIBILITY FOR IT. >> Larry: YOUR DIVORCE AND 21:19:15 PERSONAL LIFE. >> THEY WILL BRING ALL OF THAT 21:19:17 UP AND PROBABLY BRING UP THING THAT'S ARE NOT EVEN TRUE. 21:19:20 AND THEY WILL BRING UP THINGS THAT ARE TRUE. 21:19:22 THE WAY I DEAL WITH THAT, I'M A HUMAN BEING. 21:19:24 I MADE MISTAKES. I'M NOT PERFECT. 21:19:28 I KEEP TRYING TO LEARN FROM THEM. 21:19:30 SOMETIMES I DO, SOMETIMES I DON'T. 21:19:32 I KEEP WORKING ON THAT AND TRYING TO LEARN. 21:19:34 I'M A HUMAN BEING. MUCH LIKE I THINK, EVERYBODY 21:19:37 ELSE, THEY MAY BE A PERFECT CANDIDATE IN THIS RACE. 21:19:39 I DON'T KNOW WHICH ONE THAT IS. I WOULD NOT WANT TO BE THE ONE 21:19:41 THAT IS THE PERFECT CANDIDATE. >> Larry: LAST TIME WE HAD A 21:19:44 PRESIDENTIAL RACE, I REMEMBER YOU LIKED JOHN McCAIN. 21:19:45 AND HE WAS A FRIEND OF YOURS. >> WE STILL ARE FRIENDS. 21:19:48 I LIKE JOHN McCAIN VERY MUCH. I HAVE A SINCERE ADMIRATION FOR 21:19:54 JOHN McCAIN. WE WILL BOTH BATTLE IT OUT FOR 21:19:57 THE REPUBLICAN NOMINATION. BURT IT'S NOT GOING TO IN ONE -- 21:20:01 ONE IOTA REMOVE THE KIND OF RESPECT I HAVE FOR JOHN. 21:20:05 I THINK JOHN IS A GREAT AMERICAN. 21:20:07 AND ONED THAT, HE'S A GREAT PERSON. 21:20:08 HE'S SOMEBODY I KNOW. I REALLY LIKE HIM VERY MUCH. 21:20:11 I LIKE MITT ROMNEY. I CAMPAIGNED FOR MITT ROMNEY. 21:20:14 THE NIGHT BEFORE HE GOT ELECTED GOVERNOR, I WAS GOING -- THE 21:20:17 LAST CAMPAIGN I MET WITH HIM AND WE WERE IN THE SOUTH SIDE OF 21:20:20 BOSTON. WE HAD DINNER IN A GREAT ITALIAN 21:20:23 RESTAURANT, AND TOLD GREAT STORIES. 21:20:26 >> Larry: DO YOU THINK THIS WILL BE HELD AGAINST HIM? 21:20:28 >> OF COURSE NOT. ABSOLUTELY NOT. 21:20:30 ANY MORE THAN CATHOLICISM SHOULD BE -- 21:20:32 >> HELD AGAINST YOU. >> Larry: AGAINST YOU? 21:20:39 >> BEING FROM KENNEDY, SHOULD BE HELD AGAINST HIM. 21:20:47 >> Larry: I WANT TO RUN FROM BOSTON. 21:20:49 WOULD YOU LIKE TO RUN AGAINST HILLARY? 21:20:50 >> I WOULD LIKE TO RUN AGAINST ANYBODY THE DEMOCRATS NOMINATE. 21:20:54 IF IT'S HILLARY, GOD BLESS HER. OBAMA, OR EDWARDS. 21:21:02 I HOPE I DIDN'T LEAVE EVERYBODY OUT. 21:21:05 >> Larry: THANK YOU, RUDY. HOPE TO SEE YOU ON THE 24th. 21:21:09 CHECK. ALWAYS PUSHING. 21:21:11 SENATOR JOHN EDWARDS SCHEDULED TO BE HERE. 21:21:13 LOOKING AT THE DOOR, HE AIN'T HERE YET. 21:21:14 A LOT OF TRAFFIC IN LOS ANGELES. A PANEL OF OUTSTANDING PUNDITS 21:21:17 AND HE'S LATE. IT'S ALL THE NEXT. 21:21:19 DON'T GO AWAY. >> MAYOR RUDY -- 21:21:25 >> I GUESS I AM. SURE, I'M RUNNING. 21:21:31 >> I DECLARE MY INTENTION TO RUN FOR PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED 21:21:34 STATES. >> I AM TAKING THE FIRST STEP ON 21:21:38 THE YELLOW BRICK ROAD TO THE WHITE HOUSE. 21:21:40 >> PREPARING TO RUN FOR PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES. 21:21:44 IN 2008. >> I THINK I'M IN THE BEST 21:21:49 POSITION. INTRODUCING THE ALL 21:21:57 NEW CHEVY LVERADO. UCKS WITH UPO 21:22:00 367 HORSEPOWER... AND 10,500 POUNDS 21:22:02 TOWG CAPACITY. TRUCKS WITH REAR DOORS THAT 21:22:06 C OPEN 170 DEEES. , ALL BACKED BY THE BEST 21:22:11 COVERAGE IN AMERICA. THAT'S WHY IT'S THE... 21:22:19 THE ALL NEW CHEVSILVERADO. >> Larry: AGAIN, AS WE SAID, 21:24:37 SENATOR EDWARDS STUCK SOMEWHERE. A LOT OF TRAFFIC TONIGHT ON THIS 21:24:41 VALENTINE'S NIGHT IN LOS ANGELES. 21:24:42 LET'S MEET OUR PANEL, MICHAEL, INVESTIGATIVE COMPETENT FOR 21:24:46 "NEWSWEEK." BEST-SELLING AUTHOR OF "HUBRIS," 21:24:48 INSIDE STORY OF SPIN, SCANDAL AND SELLING OF THE IRAQ WAR." 21:24:51 IN BOSTON, DAVID GERGEN, WHO SERVED AS A WHITE HOUSE ADVISE 21:24:54 TORE NIXON, FORD, REAGAN AND CLINTON. 21:24:58 EDITOR OF "U.S. WORLD NEWS" AND PROFESSOR AT HARVARD'S SCHOOL OF 21:25:02 GOVERNMENT. HERE IN L.A., ARIANA HUFFINGTON, 21:25:05 FOUNDER AND EDITOR OF HUFFINGTONPOST.COM. 21:25:10 HER WORK -- BECOMING FEARLESS IN LOVE, WORK AND LIFE. 21:25:14 AND AMY HOME, SPEECHWRITER FOUR THE GOP -- AND SPEECH MEMORY FOR 21:25:19 SENATOR MAJORITY LEADER BILL FRIST. 21:25:20 AND GOP STRATEGIST AS WELL. MICHAEL IZ ACOUGH, WHAT DO YOU 21:25:26 MAKE OF GIULIANI, IN THE UNUSUAL POSITION AHEAD IN THE POLLS BUT 21:25:31 MAYBE BEHIND IN THE REPUBLICAN PRIMARY POLLS? 21:25:32 >> I THINK YOU CAN SEE FROM THE INTERVIEW, WHY HE'S AHEAD OF THE 21:25:36 POLLS. HE'S CLEARLY ENGAGING AND 21:25:39 WINNING PERSONALITY. CAME ACROSS AS QUITE FRANK, 21:25:44 QUITE OPEN. WILLING TO ADMIT MISTAKES. 21:25:48 HE HAS A LONG WAY TO GO. HE'S GOT -- THERE'S NO GETTING 21:25:53 AROUND THE FACT THAT HE WILL BE RUNNING IN PRIMARIES WHERE 21:25:56 SOCIAL CONSERVATIVES PREDOMINANT AND HIS VIEWS ARE NOT COMPATIBLE 21:25:59 WITH THOSE. AND BEYOND THAT, I THINK I THINK 21:26:03 LIKE EVERY OTHER CANDIDATE, IRAQ WILL LOOM LARGE FOR HIM AS IT 21:26:06 WILL FOR EVERYBODY ELSE. AND RIGHT NOW HE'S SUPPORTING 21:26:10 THE SURGE. HE'S SUPPORTING THE PRESIDENT. 21:26:12 BUT THE BIG QUESTION THAT EVERY REPUBLICAN CANDIDATE IS GOING TO 21:26:15 FACE IS, SIX MONTHS DOWN THE ROAD FROM NOW, IF THINGS DON'T 21:26:20 START TO TURN AROUND, IF THERE ISN'T SOME MEASURABLE PROGRESS, 21:26:24 ARE THEY GOING TO STAY COMMITTED TO A COURSE THAT DOES NOT LOOK 21:26:28 LIKE IT'S GOING ANYWHERE? >> Larry: ARIANA? 21:26:31 >> YOU KNOW, I FIND IT AMAZING THE WAY HE'S DECIDED TO 21:26:34 COMPLETELY SUPPORT THE PRESIDENT. 21:26:36 ALL THE WAY DOWN, COMPARING THEIR POLICIES TO LINCOLN'S AND 21:26:40 ROOSEVELT'S WHEN YOU TRY TO PRESS HIM. 21:26:43 WHAT I THINK HIS CALCULATION IS, PERHAPS, GIVEN HE'S PRO-CHOICE 21:26:47 AND PRO GUN CONTROL, PROBABLY DECIDED THAT HE HAD TO BE -- TO 21:26:52 OUT McCAIN ON THE SURGE. TO BE IN FAVOR OF EVERY 21:26:57 ESCALATION, IN ORDER SOMEHOW TO IMPROVE HIS CREDENTIALS. 21:27:01 >> Larry: ARE YOU SAYING IT'S ALL CALCULATEED? 21:27:04 >> IT DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE. HE SHOULD KNOW BETTER THAN THAT. 21:27:06 ON TOP OF IT, IT'S THE WRONG CALCULATION. 21:27:09 YOU CAN NEVER OUT McCAIN/McCAIN. 21:27:13 HE OWNS THAT SPACE OF ESCALATING THE WAR. 21:27:15 ON TOP OF IT HE SPENT FIVE YEARS AT HANOI WHILE JEWEL ONNY GOT A 21:27:21 DEFERMENT BECAUSE SOME JUDGE THOUGHT HE WAS A VERY GOOD LAW 21:27:24 CLERK. IT DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE. 21:27:26 >> Larry: DAVID GERGEN, WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT THE GIULIANI 21:27:29 CANDIDACY? >> WELL, I THINK THAT'S REALLY 21:27:33 INTERESTING, LARRY, IS THE PUNDITS, COMMENT TAROT, IF YOU 21:27:37 WOULD LIKE TO CALL IT THAT, HAS DISCOUNTED -- AND I HAVE BECOME 21:27:41 AMONG THOSE THAT DISCOUNTED A GIULIANI CANDIDACY FOR SOME 21:27:47 TIME. WE SAID, HE LOOK AS TRACTIVE ON 21:27:49 THE SURFACE BUT PEOPLE WILL MOVE AWAY FROM HIM IN THE REPUBLICAN 21:27:52 PARTY. BUT SOMETHING IPING HAPPENED THE 21:27:54 LAST 30 DAYS. A MOG ATHE "USA TODAY" GALLOP 21:27:59 POLL HAD GIULIANI AND McCAIN NECK AND NECK. 21:28:02 GIULIANI AHEAD BY AROUND FOUR POINTS. 21:28:06 THE RECENT POLL HAS GIULIANI AHEAD OF JOHN McCAIN FOR THE 21:28:10 REPUBLICAN NOMINATION BY 16 POINTS. 21:28:12 16 POINTS. HE'S OPENED UP A HUGE LEAD. 21:28:14 I THOUGHT -- I MUST SAY, MY GOOD FRIEND AR ANIA, I DISAGREE IN 21:28:21 PART WHAT'S GOING ON. I THINK HE'S TAKING THESE STAND 21:28:25 BECAUSE IT'S WHAT HE BELIEVES IN. 21:28:26 I THINK HE'S TAKING THE STAND LIKE BARACK OBAMA, WHO IS ON THE 21:28:30 DEMOCRATIC SIDE, HE'S APPEALING BECAUSE THESE AUTHENTIC. 21:28:33 HE IS WHO HE IS WHO HE IS. AND IT'S NOT AT ALL CALCULATED. 21:28:36 >> Larry: LET ME GET BREAK. WE WILL PICK UP WITH AMY HOLMES' 21:28:40 THOUGHTS AND GET INTO A LOT MORE ABOUT POLITICS 2007/2008. 21:28:46 DON'T GO AWAY. >> I AM IN. 21:28:49 I AM IN TO WIN. >> MY CANDIDACY FOR PRESIDENT OF 21:28:53 THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA! >> THE SINGLE BIGGEST 21:29:03 RESPONSIBILITY OF THE NEXT PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES 21:29:05 IS TO RESTORE AMERICA'S LEADERSHIP IN THE WORLD. 21:29:07 >> I STILL PLAN ON RUNNING. I HAVE NOT, QUITE FRANKLY, NOT 21:29:12 THROUGH ALL OF THE MECHANICS OF IT AT THIS POINT. 21:29:13 >> TODAY I FILED THE PAPER WORK CREATING A PRESIDENTIAL 21:29:18 EXPLORATORY COMMITTEE. >> I'M ANNOUNCING MY CANDIDACY 21:29:20 FOR PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES. 21:29:25 I TR OSI I 21:29:31 E S 21:29:33 MENOUSAL OEOSI OSAXISD HACRE 21:29:43 OF BOTTHP SPINE WOM WITH TEOSIS . 21:29:48 NGHI MPNT TO 21:29:52 ER E, NOAB TAN ITIG F 3NU 21:29:54 DN DSE, LOUM 21:29:57 ER E, NOAB TAN L 21:30:06 TINX LL 21:30:09 RI IU VEP ORORNGRN TINX FFNF WI 21:30:13 LL OFER UER STLE 21:30:16 ENI HEAR E O TPROTEC BON 21:32:09 >> Larry: LET'S BRING OUR BUDDY AMY HOLMS INTO THE NEXT. 21:32:12 WHAT HAPPENED, AS DAVID GERGEN POINTS OUT, WHAT HAPPENED TO 21:32:15 McCAIN? >> WELL, HE'S BEEN OVERSHADOWED 21:32:18 BY THIS BIG GIULIANI ANNOUNCEMENT. 21:32:20 I THINK IN THE INTERVIEW WE SAW TONIGHT, GIULIANI PROVES WHY 21:32:24 HE'S SUCH A FORMIDABLE OPPONENT. HE'S CHARISMATIC AND CANDID AND 21:32:27 COMFORTABLE IN HIS OWN SKIN. WITH McCAIN A. AMONG 21:32:30 CONSERVATIVES, THERE'S A LOT OF EXCEPTISM. 21:32:33 REMEMBER, HE WAS FOR CAMPAIGN FINANCE REFORM AND THAT WASN'T 21:32:36 SO GREAT FOR THE RELIGIOUS CONSERVATIVE GROUPS AND RISE OF 21:32:38 THE A527s ON THE LEFT WAS AN UNHAPPY DEVELOPMENT. 21:32:44 McCAIN, THERE'S ILL WILL. SOME POLLS SHOW GIULIANI AHEAD 21:32:49 IN ALABAMA AND GEORGIA. AND WHEN HE WAS MAYOR OF NEW 21:32:52 YORK, HE WAS A HERO TO CONSERVATIVES WITH CONSERVATIVE 21:32:55 REFORMS IN NEW YORK AS MAYOR. I THINK HE'S AN EXCITING 21:32:57 CANDIDATE AND HE WILL BRING A LOT OF SIZZLE TO THIS ELECTION. 21:33:01 >> Larry: MICHAEL, WHAT ABOUT MITT ROMNEY, MORMON FROM SALT 21:33:03 LAKEHO W BECOMES GOVERNOR AND CATHOLIC MASSACHUSETTS. 21:33:06 ISN'T THAT FORMIDABLE? >> YEAH. 21:33:10 I MEAN, LOOK, I'M LIKE A LOT OF OTHER PEOPLE, DON'T KNOW ALL 21:33:13 THAT MUCH ABOUT MITT ROMNEY. I THINK HE'S POSITIONED TO BE 21:33:17 THE CON VEPGSAL CONSERVATIVE CANDIDATE IN THIS ELECTION. 21:33:23 AND PROBABLY WELL POSITIONED TO DO THAT. 21:33:26 BUT I JUST WANT -- WE CANNOT GET AROUND -- NOT TO ECHO MYSELF, 21:33:31 BUT IRAQ IS THE STUMBLING BLOCK FOR ALL OF THESE GUYS. 21:33:35 AND THEY HAVE GOT TO DEAL WITH IT. 21:33:39 AND THEY ARE ALL AT THE MOMENT SUPPORTING A WAR THE AMERICAN 21:33:41 PUBLIC DOES NOT SUPPORT. AND THE LONGER THEY DO SO, THE 21:33:48 LONGER THEY ARE GOING TO HAVE PROBLEMS, IF ANY OF THEM -- 21:33:51 WHOEVER GETS THE NOMINATION, WILL HAVE THAT PROBLEM IN A IN 21:33:57 JARM ELECTION. >> Larry: DID THAT MEAN, ARIANA, 21:34:00 IRAQ WILL BE THE LOSS FOR REPUBLICANS? 21:34:01 IRAQ WOULD BE THE SFLN. >> ABSOLUTELY. 21:34:03 I COMPLETELY AGREE WITH MIKE. TO HEAR GIULIANI RESPOND TO YOU, 21:34:07 LARRY, BY SAYING THE IRAQ IS A LITTLE BIT LIKE NEW YORK AND 21:34:11 FIGHTING THE WAR IN IRAQ IS LIKE FIGHTING CRIME IN THE STREETS OF 21:34:14 NEW YORK, IT IS SO LAUGHABLE. I CANNOT IMAGINE HOW ANYBODY CAN 21:34:17 TAKE IT SERIOUSLY AS A POSITION ON THE WAR. 21:34:21 TO IGNORE THE FACT THERE IS A CIVIL WAR GOING ON THERE IS 21:34:25 REALLY TO SHOW ABSOLUTELY NO UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT IS 21:34:28 HAPPENING AND TRY TO TREAT IT LIKE A CRIME PROBLEM. 21:34:32 SO, THEREFORE, IT'S REALLY EXACTLY WHAT MIKE SAID. 21:34:35 IT THIS WILL REMAIN A HUGE VULNERABILITY BOTH IN THE 21:34:39 PRIMARY, BECAUSE YOU HAVE SOMEONE AGAINST THE ESCALATION 21:34:44 AND 100% RATING BY THE CONSERVATIVE UNION. 21:34:47 HE HAS THE YOUNG APPROACH. HE WILL ACTUALLY PROVE QUITE 21:34:52 FORMIDABLE IF THE WAR IN IRAQ CONTINUES. 21:34:54 >> Larry: DAVID GERGEN, IS IRAQ GOING TO BE THE WIN AND THE LOSS 21:34:58 OF THIS ELECTION? >> I THINK ARIANA IS RIGHT THAT 21:35:04 IT COULD AFFECT THE ELECTIONS IN NOVEMBER 2008. 21:35:07 AT THIS POINT GIULIANI IS NOT FOCUSING ON 2008. 21:35:10 HE NEEDS TO WIN THE NOMINATION. IN THAT SENSE HE'S IN THE SAME 21:35:13 BOAT -- THE THREE FRONT RUNGSERS, AS ARIANA JUST POINTED 21:35:19 OUT FROM THE REPUBLICAN SIDE ARE ALL FOR THE SURGE. 21:35:21 IT'S NOT THE WORE THAT WILL DEFINE WHO WINS THE NOMINATION 21:35:24 SO MUCH. I THINK IT WILL -- ONCE YOU GET 21:35:26 THE NOMINATION, YOU HAVE A WHOLE NEW BALLGAME. 21:35:30 THEN THE WAR DOES WEIGH HEAVILY AGAINST REPUBLICANS. 21:35:33 YOU COULD EASILY SEE AN ELECTION IN 2008, LARRY, WHOEVER THE 21:35:37 REPUBLICAN NOMINEE IS WILL GET SWAMPED BY THE WAR AND 21:35:40 REPUBLICANS COULD LOSE A LOT OF GROUND IN THE HOUSE AND SENATE 21:35:42 AND YOU COULD HAVE A DEMOCRAT COMING IN WITH A BIG, BIG 21:35:46 MARGIN. BUT WE ARE STILL TWO YEARS AWAY. 21:35:49 LONG WAYS AWAY. RUDY GIULIANI IS RIGHT, THE WAR 21:35:51 POSITION WILL NOT DEFINE HIM NOW. 21:35:54 CAN HE WIN OVER THE E CONSERVATIVES AND WIN OVER THEIR 21:35:58 SUPPORT TO MAKE IT THROUGH THE PRIMARIES? 21:36:00 >> Larry: AMY, IS YOUR PARTY IN BIG TROUBLE? 21:36:01 >> I THINK 2008 IS WIDE OPEN AND THE WAR QUESTION IS A 21:36:05 COMPLICATED QUESTION FOR THE DEMOCRATIC SITD AS WELL. 21:36:07 WE ARE SEEING THAT PLAYED OUT WITH BARACK OBAMA AND HILLARY 21:36:09 CLINTON. BARACK BEING STAUNCHLY ANTI-WAR 21:36:12 AND BEING A FAVORITE OF THE BASE OF HIS PARTY AND HILLARY CLINTON 21:36:15 BEING ASKED OVER AND OVER AND OVER ABOUT HER VOTE IN THE 21:36:19 SENATE TO GIVE THE PRESIDENT AUTHORIZATION TO GO TO WAR. 21:36:22 I THINK GIULIANI PROMOTING THE SURGE IS SHOWING HIS LOYALTY AND 21:36:28 SUPPORT OF THE PRESIDENT AS COMMANDER IN CHIEF. 21:36:30 THE SURGE WILL PLAY OUT AND SIX MONTHS FROM NOW, EIGHT MONTHS 21:36:33 FROM NOW, GIULIANI, CAN MAKE A POLICY DEPENDING ON HOW THAT 21:36:39 SURGE WORKED. I DON'T THINK HIS POSITION TODAY 21:36:41 ON THE SURGE WILL DETERMINE HIS OUTCOME IN 2008. 21:36:44 >> Larry: WE WILL TAKE A BREAK AND COME BACK AND TALK ABOUT THE 21:36:47 DEMOCRATS. AND WE WILL ALSO INCLUDE YOUR 21:36:48 PHONE CALLS ON THIS EDITION OF "LARRY KING LIVE." 21:36:52 DON'T GO AWAY. T. 21:38:43 G CALLS FROM SPRIN 21:38:45 SAVES US ENOUGH MONE TO COV OTHER COSTS. 21:38:47 - LIKE? - LI YOUR NEPHEW. 21:38:56 TH. SPRINT H 21:38:58 FREENCOMING PLANS. CARRIE DON. OTR NS 21:39:02 NOW BUONE NYO 7000 ANGET FOUR FRE 21:39:04 VISIsprint.com/bines >> Larry: FOUR OF THE BEST OF 21:39:48 THE BUSINESS, MICHAEL ISIKOFF, ARIANA HUFFINGTON, AMY HOLMES. 21:39:54 MR. ISIKOFF, GIVE ME YOUR VIEW OF THE DEMOCRATIC PICTURE. 21:39:57 >> WELL, HILLARY CLINTON IS THE FRONT RUNNER. 21:39:59 BUT, OBVIOUSLY, SHE HAS AN IRAQ PROBLEM OF HER OWN. 21:40:02 IT'S THE QUESTION SHE'S GETTING ASKED ABOUT THE MOST EVERY TIME 21:40:08 SHE GOES AND SPEAK. SHE HAS YET TO BE ABLE TO GO AND 21:40:12 GIVE AS DIRECT AN ANSWER AS JOHN ETD WARDS HAS, STARTING WITH THE 21:40:16 WORDS, "I MADE A MISTAKE." THAT'S A CONSTITUTIONALLY VERY 21:40:21 DIFFICULT THING F. NOT IMPOSSIBLE THING, FOR HILLARY 21:40:23 CLINTON TO SAY. I THINK PEOPLE ARE TRYING TO 21:40:25 PUSH HER INTO SAYING THAT. THE INTERESTING DYNAMIC IS TO 21:40:30 WATCH AS THAT PLAYS OUT -- WILL SHE FINALLY BE ABLE TO BRING 21:40:34 HERSELF TO UTTER WORDS THAT ARE CLEARLY UNCOMFORTABLE FOR HER? 21:40:38 >> Larry: WHY IS THAT SO URGENT, ARIANNA? 21:40:45 WHY CAN'T SHE SAY I VOTED FOR HER BECAUSE OF INFORMATION I WAS 21:40:47 GIVEN AND BECAUSE OF THAT INFORMATION, I HAD WRONG 21:40:49 INFORMATION, AND THAT'S WHY VOIGHTED. 21:40:52 MY MISTAKE -- >> NOT TO BE ABLE TO SAY I MADE 21:40:55 A MISTAKE IS SUCH A FUNDAMENTAL PROBLEM ABOUT HER AND HER 21:40:59 CAMPAIGN. MARK PENN TRIED TO EXPLAIN BY 21:41:02 SAYING IT'S IMPORTANT FOR HER TO KEEP SAYING IT'S THE PRESIDENT'S 21:41:06 MISTAKE. EVERYBODY KNOWS IT'S THE 21:41:07 PRESIDENT'S MISTAKE BUT IT'S ALSO THE MISTAKE OF THOSE 21:41:09 DEMOCRATS WHO VOTES FOR THE WAR, DESPITE ALL OF THE INFORMATION 21:41:12 THEY HAD AVAILABLE TO THEM. AFTER ALL 21 SENATOR DID NOT 21:41:18 VOTE, DEMOCRATIC SENATORS, TO AUTHORIZE THE WAR. 21:41:21 CLEARLY THEY HAD BETTER JUDGMENT THAN WHAT HE WE KNOW NOW. 21:41:24 ONE OF THEM PAUL, RUNNING FOR ALSO, HAD THE GUTS TO VOTE 21:41:31 AGAINST THE ORGANIZATION. >> Larry: DAVID GERGEN, SHE SAID 21:41:34 SHE WASN'T VOTING FOR THE WAR. SHE WAS -- SHE WASN'T VOTING 21:41:37 DIRECTLY TO GO TO WAR. >> WELL, LISTEN, LET'S GIVE 21:41:44 CREDIT TO MRS. CLINTON IN ONE SENSE. 21:41:46 A MONTH AGO IN THAT SAME "USA TODAY" GALLOP POLL SHE WAS AHEAD 21:41:49 OF BARACK OBAMA BY ABOUT 11 POINTS AND NOW SHE OPENED UP A 21:41:54 LEAD OF 19 POINTS. SHE'S DOING SOMETHING RIGHT AND 21:41:56 ONE HAS TO RECOGNIZE THAT UP FRONT. 21:41:58 I DO BELIEVE THAT THE WAY SHE'S ANSWERING THESE IRAQ QUESTIONS 21:42:00 WILL COME BACK TO HAUNT HER WITH THE VOTERS. 21:42:03 WHEN SHE VOTED FOR THE RESOLUTION ON IRAQ, IT WAS 21:42:06 PERFECTLY OBVIOUS TO EVERYBODY, WE ARE ABOUT TO GO TO WAR AND 21:42:10 THIS IS A VOTE TO AUTHORIZE. WHEN YOU START PARSING THAT TOO 21:42:13 MUCH OR QUALIFYING IT TOO MUCH, BEING TOO CUTE WITH IT, I THINK 21:42:16 YOU LOOK LIKE YOU'RE TRYING TO -- YOU'RE IN EFFECT NOT 21:42:20 CLINIC. I THINK WHAT WILL WORK THIS YEAR 21:42:24 AS PETER HART AND OTHERS REMIND US, AUTHENTICITY MATTERS. 21:42:27 I THINK SHE WILL BE BETTER, AS ARIANA SAID, COME RIGHT OUT 21:42:33 SANE, SHE MAD A MISTAKE. LOOK AT THE WAY RUDY GIULIANI 21:42:36 HANDLED THAT. LOOK, WE ALL MAKE MISTAKES. 21:42:38 LEARN FROM THAT AND MOVE ON. SNEADS TO MOVE ON FROM IT. 21:42:41 I THINK TO PLAY GAMES WITH WORDS ON THIS IS A MISTAKE FOR HER IN 21:42:44 THE LONG RUN. IT WILL COME BACK TO HAUPT HER. 21:42:47 >> Larry: AMY HOLMES, BUT MIGHT SHE STILL HAVE THE NOMINATION? 21:42:51 >> SHE MAY. SHE HAS A VERY FORMIDABLE 21:42:53 MACHINE THAT IS ROLLING UP SUPPORT. 21:42:56 SHE HAS TERRY McCALL AS HER CAMPAIGN MANAGER. 21:43:00 THE CLINTONS HAVE BEEN KNOWN AS PRETTY SMOOTH OPERATORS. 21:43:04 BILL CLINTON WON THE ELECTION TWICE. 21:43:05 PART OF THE PROBLEM, THOUGH, SHE ALSO HAS A LONG RECORD OF GIVING 21:43:08 VERY FIERY SPEECHES ABOUT THE THREAT THAT SADDAM POSED AND HER 21:43:12 HUSBAND, FORMER PRESIDENT. HE HIMSELF SAID THAT SADDAM 21:43:15 HUSSEIN WAS PURSUING WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION. 21:43:18 THESE A REAL CONUNDRUM FOR HILLARY CLINTON CONTINUE WILL BE 21:43:22 HARD FOR HER TO RIGHT THAT SQUARE. 21:43:24 >> Larry: MR. ISIKOFF, CAN BARACK OBAMA CLOSE R CLOSE THE 21:43:27 GAP? >> SURE HE CAN. 21:43:29 SHE'S UNTESTED BUT HE'S CLEARLY CREATED A LOT OF EXCITEMENT OUT 21:43:34 THERE. ACTUALLY, THE MOST INTERESTING 21:43:36 DYNAMIC AT THE MOMENT IS EDWARDS. 21:43:39 TOO BAD HE ISN'T HERE YET BUT THE WAY HE'S BEEN ANSWERING, 21:43:42 AFTER SAYING, "I MADE A MISTAKE," WHEN HE'S ASKED TO 21:43:46 EXPLAIN HOW HE CAME TO THAT MISTAKE, HE HAS SAID, WELL, I 21:43:49 WAS LISTENING TO FORMER CLINTON ADMINISTRATION OFFICIALS, 21:43:55 ADVISING ME THAT I SHOULD VOTE FOR THE WAR. 21:43:57 AND THAT'S TRUE. ALMOST ALL OF THE TOP NATIONAL 21:44:00 SECURITY ADVISORS TO PRESIDENT CLINTON WERE SUPPORTIVE OF THE 21:44:05 WAR RESOLUTION. AND THAT'S A BIG REASON WHY 21:44:07 HILLARY CLINTON WAS VOTING FOR IT AS WELL. 21:44:12 SO IT'S IN VERY SUBTLE WAYS, JOHN EDWARDS IS SORT OF TAKING A 21:44:16 SHOT AT THE FORMER CLINTON ADMINISTRATION. 21:44:18 I THINK HILLARY CLINTON IS A LITTLE RELUCTANT TO EMBRACE THAT 21:44:22 FOR OBVIOUS REASONS. >> AND ALSO, IF YOU LOOK AT THE 21:44:28 WAY THE WAR IS GOING TO PLAY IN THE PRIMARY, OBVIOUSLY OBAMA IS 21:44:33 IN THE STRONGEST POSITION. HE'S CONSISTENTLY AGAINST THE 21:44:36 WAR. HIS SPEECH THAT HE GAVE IN 2002 21:44:38 AGAINST THE WAR IS A VERY POWERFUL SPEECH IN WHICH HE SAYS 21:44:42 CLEARLY, "I'M NOT AGAINST ALL WARS. 21:44:44 I'M AGAINST DUMB WARS. AND IRAQ IS A DUMB WAR." 21:44:48 HE CAULKED VERY PRESENTLY ABOUT WHAT WILL HAPPEN, HOW IMPOSSIBLE 21:44:51 IT WAS FOR US TO PREDICT WHAT WOULD HAPPEN ONCE WE INVADED. 21:44:54 IN THAT SENSE HE DOESN'T HAVE TO DO THE KIND OF EXPLAINING THAT 21:44:57 EVEN JOHN EDWARDS HAS TO DO, AS HE HAD TO DO ON "MEET THE 21:45:03 PRESS." TEN TO 15 MINUTES OF TIM RUSSERT 21:45:05 PUTTING UP ON THE SCREEN PREVIOUS STATEMENTS SUPPORTING 21:45:07 THE WAR AND HIM HAVING TO ANSWER THEM. 21:45:09 OBAMA CAN JUMP OVER ALL OF THAT AND CAN COME DIRECTLY TO WHERE 21:45:14 WE ARE TODAY. >> Larry: DOES THE AMERICAN 21:45:15 PUBLIC WANT TO PULL OUT? >> ABSOLUTELY. 21:45:17 THE MAJORITY OF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE WANT TO PULL OUT IN A 21:45:19 RESPONSIBLE WAY. NOT IRRESPONSIBLY WANTS TO PULL 21:45:22 OUT OVERNIGHT. OF COURSE, JOHN EDWARDS HAS 21:45:28 PROPOSED FUNDING AND MAKING IT CLEAR THERE WILL BE NO MILITARY 21:45:30 BASES IN IRAQ. HE'S TAKEN A REAL LEADERSHIP 21:45:33 ROLE THERE. >> Larry: HOLD ON ONE SECOND, 21:45:35 AMY. IT APPEARS SENATOR EDWARDS MAY 21:45:37 NOT BE ABLE TO MAKE IT IN THIS TRAFFIC. 21:45:41 WE SHALL FORGE FORTH. LET'S CHECK IN WITH JOHN 21:45:45 ROBERTS. HE WILL BE HOSTING FOR "ANDERSON 21:45:47 COOPER 360" AT THE TOP OF THE HOUR. 21:45:48 >> SORRY TO HEAR ABOUT JOHN EDWARD NOT MAKING IT. 21:45:51 WE HAVE A LOT TO TALK ABOUT. WEATHER AND ANNA NICOLE SMITH 21:45:54 STORY. AND A LOT OF TALK ABOUT IRAQ AND 21:45:56 TIES TO IRAN. TOE WE KNOW WHAT LED UP TO A 21:45:58 BRIEFING IN BAGHDAD THAT RATCHETED UP THE CASE FOR A RAR 21:46:01 WITH IRAN. EVERYONE FROM THE PRESIDENT ON 21:46:03 DOWN HAS BEEN BACKING AWAY OR ROW STATING WHAT WAS SAID AT 21:46:08 THAT BRIEFING. TODAY WE LEARNED HOW IT CAME TO 21:46:10 HAPPEN AND ONE BRIEFER WASN'T LITTLE TOO FAR BEYOND WHAT HIS 21:46:14 BOSSES WANTED HIM TO SAY. WE WILL LAY THAT OUT FOR YOU 21:46:17 TONIGHT. " 21:46:20 " "360" AT THE TOP OF THE HOUR. 21:46:22 >> Larry: THAT'S "ANDERSON COOPER 360" AT THE TOP OF THE 21:46:26 HOUR. WE WILL BE RIGHT BACK RIGHT 21:46:27 AFTER THIS. >> I WOULD NOT HAVE STARTED THIS 21:46:29 WAR. AND IF IT'S NOT ENDED BY 2009, 21:46:33 IF I'M PRESIDENT, I WILL END IT. >> THE WAR WAS A TERRIBLE 21:46:39 MISTAKE. IT SHOULD NOT HAVE BEEN 21:46:40 AUTHORIZED. >> THE INCREDIBLE INCOMPETENCE 21:46:42 WITH WHAT HAPPENED IN IRAQ. >> ALL OF THE KING'S HORSES, ALL 21:46:46 OF THE KING'S MEN, CANNOT HOLD IRAQ TOGETHER. 21:46:48 >> OUR SOLDERS MUST STAND FOR US IN THE FIELD. 21:46:50 WE MUST STAND FOR US IN THE LEGISLATURE. 21:46:52 >> MORE TROOPS NOT THE ANSWER. . 21:47:00 . E >>> I WOULD GIVE THEM MASS 21:49:36 SUPPORT. I WOULD NOT PULL THEM THE 21:49:38 SUPPORT RIGHT NOW. >> WE CAN ACHIEVE SUCCESS IN 21:49:40 IRAQ. THIS IS NOT JUST AN INCREASE IN 21:49:42 TROOPS. >> OUR WISEST COURSE IS TO SEEK 21:49:44 STABILITY IN IRAQ. >> I THINK WE HAVE GOT TO STAY 21:49:47 IN AND GET THE JOB DONE, BUT WE HAVE GOT TO DO IT TOGETHER. 21:49:50 >> SO WE ARE TRYING TO CHANGE THE WORLD FOR FREEDOM. 21:49:55 >> Larry: DAVID GERGEN, WHAT DO YOU MAKE OF THIS HOUSE VOTE 21:49:58 FRIDAY IN WHICH THEY WILL SAY TO THE PRESIDENT, WE DON'T LIKE 21:50:00 WHAT YOU'RE DOING? >> IT'S A VERY SIGNIFICANT VOTE, 21:50:05 LARRY. THE CONGRESS HAS NOT REGISTERED 21:50:07 ANY REAL PROTESTS AGAINST THE WAR IN FOUR LONG YEARS. 21:50:11 THEY WENT ON THE RECORD, OF COURSE, EARLY ON, ESPECIALLY THE 21:50:14 SENATE VOTE, TO SUPPORT THE WAR AND GIVE THE PRESIDENT THE GREEN 21:50:16 LIGHT. NOW THE HOUSE IS GOING TO BE 21:50:20 FLASHING A STRONG ORANGE LIGHT. "SLOW DOWN, CAUTION, DON'T DO 21:50:24 THIS." NOW, I FOUND VERY STRIKING TODAY 21:50:27 THAT THE PRESIDENT IN HIS PRESS CONFERENCE BASICALLY DISMISSED 21:50:31 THIS. WHO CARES? 21:50:33 A LOT OF KIVTIVES TWO WEEKS AGO SAID THIS WILL BE A TERRIBLE 21:50:36 THING IF YOU VOTE FOR THIS. YOU WILL BE GIVING INCOMING FOR 21:50:41 THE ENEMY AND DEMORALIZING TROOPS. 21:50:43 THE PRESIDENT SAID, THE ONLY THING I CARE ABOUT, WILL THEY 21:50:46 BIND MY HANDS IN TERMS OF MONEY? HE'S IN EFFECT CONCEDED DEFEAT 21:50:49 AND IT REALLY HAS MADE IT A LOT EASIER FOR REPUBLICANS TO GO AND 21:50:52 VOTE FOR IT. WE COULD EASILY SEE ON THE 21:50:56 HOUSE -- IN THE HOUSE VOTE AT LEAST TWO DOZEN REPUBLICANS -- 21:50:59 AND I THINK AFTER THE PRESIDENT CONCEDED DEFEAT TODAY, IT COULD 21:51:03 WELL GO ABOVE THAT. >> Larry: ALE HOLMES, RUDY 21:51:07 GIULIANI SAID THE ONLY THING HE DOESN'T LIKE ABOUT IT IS IT'S 21:51:10 NONBINDING? >> BECAUSE HE WAS POINTING OUT 21:51:13 IF THE DEMOCRATS REALLY DO OPPOSE THIS WAR, THEY OUT TO BE 21:51:16 PASSING BINDING RESOLUTION AND NOT SOMETHING MERELY SYMBOLIC. 21:51:20 BUT I THINK THE DEMOCRATS ARE MAKING A SEVERE MISTE, 21:51:23 ESPECIALLY IF THEY PASS BINDING RESOLUTION TO CUT FUNDING. 21:51:26 FIRST OF ALL "THE WALL STREET JOURNAL" SHOWS THE AMERICAN 21:51:28 PUBLIC DOES NOT WANT TO CUT FUNDS TO THE TROOPS THAT. 21:51:31 WILL MAKE DEMOCRATS VERY VULNERABLE. 21:51:33 SECONDLY, IF THE SURGE WERE TO FAIL, THEY WOULD BE COMPLICIT IN 21:51:36 THAT FAILURE BECAUSE THEY MIGHT HAVE CAPPED TROOPS WHEN EXTRA 21:51:39 TROOPS ARE NEEDED. PETRAEUS SAID THE EXTRA TROOPS 21:51:42 ARE ESSENTIAL OR IF THEY CUT FUNDING, THEY PUT THEMSELVES IN 21:51:44 A POSITION OF HAVING THEIR SO-CALLED WAR STRATEGY FAIL IN 21:51:49 IRAQ. >> Larry: MICHAEL ISIKOFF, WHAT 21:51:51 DO YOU MAKE OF THE CANDIDACY OF AL FRANKEN IN MINNESOTA? 21:51:55 >> I -- I GOT NOTHING FOR YOU ON THAT ONE. 21:51:58 BUT JUST, LOOK, ON THE RESOLUTION, IT'S NONBINDING SO 21:52:03 THE DEMOCRATS ARE NOT CUTTING OFF FUNDING AT THIS STAGE. 21:52:08 AND AMY IS RIGHT, THERE IS A RISK WERE THEY TO DO THAT IF 21:52:13 THEY STARTED TO MOVE IN THAT DIRECTION, THIS COULD COME 21:52:18 IMPLICIT. BUT YOU LOOK AT THE REDICK 21:52:21 COMING OUT FROM DEFENDING THE PRESIDENT, TALKING ABOUT HOW THE 21:52:25 CATASTROPHIC CONSEQUENCES OF A PULLOUT OF IRAQ AND HOW THIS IS 21:52:28 A KEY PART OF THE GLOBAL WAR ON TERROR. 21:52:30 AGAIN, I WANT TO TAKE YOU BACK TO -- LET'S GO BACK TO WHAT IS 21:52:34 THE PICTURE GOING TO LOOK LIKE SIX MONTHS DOWN THE ROAD? 21:52:36 EVERY ONE OF THESE HOUSE MEMBERS IS GOING TO BE UP FOR 21:52:40 RE-ELECTION. IF WE DON'T SEE MEASURABLE SIGNS 21:52:43 OF PROGRESS, THESE GUYS AND WOMEN WILL BE LOOKING AT RUNNING 21:52:46 FOR A WAR THAT IS COMPLETELY LOST THE SUPPORT OF THE AMERICAN 21:52:51 PUBLIC. >> IF YOU LIKE AT CHRIS CHASHGS 21:52:52 IT'S NOT JUST THAT. THEY ARE ALSO TALKING ABOUT IT'S 21:52:56 UNKONS TOOGSAL FOR THE CONGRESS TO BE USURPING THE POWER OF THE 21:52:59 COMMANDER IN CHIEF TO WAGE THIS WAR. 21:53:01 HE WAS GIVEN AUTHORIZATION BY THE UNITED STATES SENATE AND THE 21:53:04 UNITED STATES CONGRESS IN ORDER TO DO THIS. 21:53:06 AND YOU CANNOT HAVE 535 CONGRESSMEN AND SENATORS 21:53:10 MICROMANAGING THIS WAR. >> ACTUALLY, THIS IS ABSOLUTELY 21:53:13 NOT TRUE. AND JOHN EDWARDS IN HIS 21:53:17 ABSENCE -- >> Larry: HE COULDN'T MAKE IT, 21:53:20 BY THE WAY. >> HE WAS VERY ELOQUENT ON THIS 21:53:23 SUBJECT TODAY SAYING THERE'S NO WAY THE CONGRESS HAS ACTUALLY 21:53:26 AUTHORIZED THE CONTINUATION OF WHAT IS HAPPENING NOW, WHICH IS 21:53:30 EFFECTUALLY B REFEREEING A WAR. AT THE PRESS CONFERENCE, THE 21:53:35 PRESIDENT REFUSED TO CALL IT A CIVIL WAR. 21:53:37 AS HE PUT IT VERY QUAINTLY, LIVING IN THIS BEAUTIFUL WHITE 21:53:40 HOUSE, HOW CAN HE POSSIBLY KNOW IF THERE'S A CIVIL WAR? 21:53:43 THE TRUTH IS, IT IS A CIVIL WAR. WAY TOO MANY MILITARY EXPERTS 21:53:47 HAVE CALLED IT A CIVIL WAR. WE SEE THE RESULTS EVERY DAY. 21:53:50 THE FACT IS THE TROOPS ARE THERE REFEREEING A CIVIL WAR. 21:53:53 >> Larry: I HAVE TO GET A BREAK. WHEN I COME BACK, I WANT TO ASK 21:53:57 YOU ABOUT AL FRANKEN. IN YOUR OLD CONSERVATIVE DAYS 21:53:59 YOU DID A GREAT BIT WITH AL FRANKEN. 21:54:02 YOU BOTH WERE IN BED TOGETHER ARGUING. 21:54:03 >> WAIT UNTIL THAT COMES OUT. IT WILL SINK HIS CAMPAIGN! 21:54:07 >> Larry: WAIT UNTIL THAT COMES OUT. 21:54:09 FRANKEN IS DONE. AS WE GO TO BREAK, HERE'S 21:54:12 PRESIDENT BUSH AT THE PRESS CONFERENCE. 21:54:15 >> THERE ARE WEAPONS IN IRAQ THAT ARE HARMING U.S. TROOPS 21:54:17 BECAUSE OF THE KKD FOERZ. AS YOU KNOW THE KUDZ FORCE IS 21:54:30 PART OF THE IRANIAN GOVERNMENT. WHETHER AHMADINEJAD ENFORCED 21:54:33 THIS, WE DON'T KNOW. BUT AS YOU KNOW THEY ARE THERE 21:54:35 AND I INTEND TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT. 21:54:40 T IT GOT US DOING MORE TO PROCT OUR HEALTH... 21:54:42 LI TAKING SILV. [ Announcer ] CENTM SILVER 21:54:43 AGE JUSTED MULTIVITAMI... HAVE KEY ANTIODANTS THAT HELP 21:54:46 SUPPORT NATURAL LL REPAIR. >> Larry: DAVID GERGEN, THE 21:57:16 SCOOTER LIBBY TRIAL IS OVER. THE JURY TAKES IT TOMORROW. 21:57:20 WHY SO FAST? >> WELL, I WAS STUNNED THAT 21:57:25 SCOOTER LIBBY AND DICK CHENEY BOTH DECIDED NOT TO TESTIFY. 21:57:29 THERE'S ONE THEORY THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT THE DEFENSE ATTORNEYS 21:57:33 THINK THEY ALREADY WON THIS. BUT MANY PEOPLE CAME OUT OF 21:57:37 THE -- OF THE PROSECUTION SIDE THINKING THAT THE PROSECUTION 21:57:39 WAS AHEAD IN THIS CASE AND THE SCOOTER LIBBY DEFENSE HAS NOT 21:57:43 BEEN SUFFICIENT. SO IT -- GUESS THEY ARE AVOIDING 21:57:47 POTENTIAL EMBARRASSMENT BUT IT'S NORMALLY THE CASE IF YOU DON'T 21:57:50 PUT YOUR GUY UP THERE ON THE DEFENSE SIDE, YOU GIVE AN AWFUL 21:57:54 LOT TO THE OTHER SIDE. IT MAKES IT MUCH TOUGHER TO WIN 21:57:57 THE CASE. >> Larry: MICHAEL, WHAT IS THE 21:58:00 PRESIDENT, IF ANYTHING, DO ABOUT IRAN? 21:58:02 >> IRAN? YOU KNOW, I THINK THE PRESS 21:58:07 CONFERENCE TODAY WAS VERY REVEALING. 21:58:10 HE WAS FACED WITH THIS CONTRADICTION, WHICH HE HAD TO 21:58:14 ACKNOWLEDGE, THAT WHILE THERE IS THIS EVIDENCE OF IRANIAN 21:58:18 COMPONENTS BEING -- SHOWING UP IN IRAQ, PARTICULARLY THESE -- 21:58:22 THE IMPROVISED EXPLOSIVE DEVICES THAT SEEM TO BE MADE IN IRAN, NO 21:58:26 LEAR EVIDENTIARY TRAIL ON WHETHER THIS IS ORDERED FROM 21:58:30 OFFICIALS OF THE IRANIAN GOVERNMENT, AND IF SO, HOW HIGH 21:58:33 IN THE IRANIAN GOVERNMENT? THAT WAS GENERAL PACE, THE JOINT 21:58:39 CHIEFS, MADE THOSE COMMENTS TODAY AND KIND OF UNDERCUT THE 21:58:42 WHOLE THURSDAY THE OF ADMINISTRATION RHETORIC OVER THE 21:58:46 LAST FEW WEEKS. AND IT JUST LEAVES WHITE OPEN 21:58:48 WHAT THE POLICY IMPLICATIONS OF THIS ARE. 21:58:51 I THINK A LOT OF SKEPTICS AT THIS POINT SEE THE EMPHASIS ON 21:58:56 IRAN AS, AS MUCH A DIVERSION AS ANYTHING ELSE. 21:59:04 i think that a lot of skeptics at this point see the emphasis on Iran as, as much diversionary for political reasons as they do anything else. KING: Amy, what do you make of all of these early debates? HOLMES: I think that they're an opportunity for the American public to see these candidates, but unfortunately, it allows those candidates who are well funded, who have high name I.D., to be able to race out ahead of what they call second and third tier candidates in the Republican Party. That would be Mike Huckabee, for example. So in that -- in that case, then it's not a great -- a great system for being able to see who all of these people are who want to be president of the United States. KING: And we've only got 20 seconds. Are you going to go run home and blog this? HUFFINGTON: Yes, and in fact, the Huffington Post, in partnership with YouTube, are going to put on the first online presidential debate and we're going to get video questions from all around the country, especially young people. KING: An online video debate? HUFFINGTON: Online debate in real time. KING: Thank you all very much. Michael Isikoff, David Gergen, Arianna Huffington, and Amy Holmes. It is Valentine's Day. We don't often get personal on this show, but I want to take a moment and wish a very happy Valentine's to my lovely wife, Shawn, who is not only a great gal and a terrific wife but a partner in life and in love. Much kisses, much happiness. You deserve it. Happy Valentine's Day to the wife. And to all of you with all of yours as well. We now turn it over -- I'm sure he has the same sentiments -- to John Roberts, who will sit in for Anderson Cooper and host "AC 360" -- John. ROBERTS: Hey, Larry, thanks very much. And yes, happy Valentine's Day to my wife and everyone else out there who's celebrating this day.

[CNN: LARRY KING LIVE - RUDY GIULIANI / JOHN EDWARDS] [LOS ANGELES, ca usa] LARRY KING LIVE FOR WEDNESDAY, FEBRUARY 14, 2007 GUEST: FORMER NEW YORK MAYOR RUDOLPH GIULIANI / RUDY GIULIANI AND JOHN EDWARDS TALK ABOUT THEIR PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGNS. 21:00:23 >> Larry: TONIGHT -- RUDY GIULIANI ANSWERS THE BIG ONE. 21:00:26 ARE YOU RUNNING OR NOT? >> YEAH, I'M RUNNING. 21:00:28 >> Larry: WHAT WOULD HE DO AS AMERICA'S NEXT PRESIDENT? 21:00:30 HOW ABOUT IRAQ, ABORTION, GAY RIGHTS AND MORE? 21:00:35 NEW YORK'S FORMER MAYOR TAKES ON SOME TOUGH QUESTIONS. 21:00:39 >> OF COURSE, THEY WERE MISTAKES. 21:00:42 >> Larry: PLUS, DEMOCRATIC PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE JOHN 21:00:44 EDWARDS ON THE CONTROVERSY THAT HAD SOME CALLING HIS CAMPAIGN 21:00:50 ANTI-CATHOLIC. IT'S ALL NEXT ON "LARRY KING 21:00:51 LIVE." GOOD EVENING. 21:01:01 WE WELCOME TO "LARRY KING LIVE" A OLD FRIEND, RUDY GIULIANI, WHO 21:01:05 HAS FORMED AN EXPLORATORY COMMIT DWROI A 2008 RACE WHICH USUALLY 21:01:11 LEADS TO AN ADVISORY COMMITTEE AND MAYBE COMMIT KBRI. 21:01:14 ARE YOU RUNNING OR NOT? >> I'M RUN. 21:01:16 >> Larry: ARE YOU MAKING AN OFFICIAL ANNOUNCEMENT OR IS THIS 21:01:19 IT? HERE RIGHT NOW? 21:01:20 >> I GUESS YOU DO ONE OF THESE THINGS FOUR, FIVE TIMES IN A DAY 21:01:24 SO I CAN GET ON YOUR SHOW AND ABOUT FIVE OTHERS. 21:01:27 >> Larry: SO YOU'RE RUN SOMETHING. 21:01:28 >> YEAH. >> Larry: FINAL -- WHAT LED TO 21:01:30 THE DECISION? >> I THINK I CAN MAKE A 21:01:32 DIFFERENCE. I BELIEVE THE COUNTRY NEEDS 21:01:33 LEADERSHIP. I THINK WE ARE GOING THROUGH A 21:01:38 WAR ON TERROR OR TERRORISTS' WAR AGAINST US, WHICH MAYBE IS A 21:01:41 BETTER WAY TO DESCRIBE IT. WE HAVE LOTS OF PROBLEMS WE HAVE 21:01:44 TO TACKLE AND RESOLVEMENT WE NEED FISCAL DISCIPLINE. 21:01:47 WE NEED BETTER EDUCATION. WE NEED ENERGY INDEPENDENCE. 21:01:50 THERE ARE SO MANY THINGS WE HAVE NOT SORT OF TACKLED. 21:01:53 ONE OF THE THINGS I DO IS -- >> Larry: TACKLE THINGS. 21:01:57 >> TACKLE THINGS, LEAD. TRY TO GET THINGS DONE. 21:02:03 >> Larry: CUT TO THE TRUTH, YOU'RE SAYING I'M THE BEST. 21:02:06 IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAY SOMETHING. 21:02:07 >> YES, AND VERY HUMBLING. IT TAKES A LONG TIME TO COME TO 21:02:11 THE:COLLUSION WITH ALL OF YOUR IMPERFECTION, ALL OF THE THINGS 21:02:14 WE ALL ARE. NONE OF DOUSE EVERYTHING ELSE. 21:02:17 NONE OF US ARE PERFECT. YOU HAVE TO SAY TO YOURSELF IS 21:02:25 THIS SOMETHING TO DO? FOR A KID FROM BROOKLYN, 21:02:27 SOMETIMES YOU SAY, GEE, IS THIS REALLY HAPPEN SOMETHING AND 21:02:29 OTHER TIMES YOU WAKE UP AND SAY,KY DO THIS. 21:02:32 >> Larry: LET'S GET TO SOME ISSUES. 21:02:34 A LEADING INDUSTRIALIST FRIEND OF MINE SAYS, IF THE UNITED 21:02:37 STATES WAS A CORPORATION, BASED ON THE IRAQ WAR, EVERYBODY ON 21:02:40 TOP WOULD BE FIRE. HOW WOULD YOU COMMENT ON THAT? 21:02:43 IN OTHER WORDS, MEANING IT AIN'T GOING RIGHT. 21:02:44 >> THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN TRUE -- HE WOULD HAVE SAID THE SAME 21:02:47 THING ABOUT THE CIVIL WAR AND ABRAHAM LINCOLN WOULD HAVE BEEN 21:02:50 FIRED AND MIGHT HAVE SAID THE SAME THING ABOUT THE BATTLE OF 21:02:53 THE BULGE AND EISENHOWER AND MARSH ALL WOULD HAVE BEEN FIRED. 21:02:57 >> Larry: ARE YOU SAYING THIS WILL ALL TURN AROUND? 21:02:59 >> I'M NOT CONFIDENT IT WILL ALL TURN AROUND. 21:03:01 WHO KNOWS THAT? YOU NEVER KNOW THAT IN A MIDDLE 21:03:04 OF A WAR. I'M CONFIDENT WE HAVE TO TRY TO 21:03:09 MAKE IT TURN AROUND. WE CAN'T JUST WALK OUT. 21:03:12 IT'S CRITICAL TO US THAT THINGS GET TO THE POINT IN IRAQ WHERE 21:03:15 WE HAVE SOME DEGREE OF STABILITY AND NOT WAY THEY ARE NOW. 21:03:18 IF WE LEAVE IT THE WAY IT IS NOW AND WE RUN OUT, THEN WE WILL 21:03:22 FACE FURTHER DIFFICULTIES IN THE FUTURE. 21:03:24 WE WILL LOSE MORE LIES IN THE FUTURE. 21:03:25 I WILL TELL YOU WHO TELLS ME THAT, A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO HAVE 21:03:28 BEEN THERE. WAYS JUST IN SAN DIEGO SPEAKING 21:03:31 TO SAILORS AND MARINES THAT HAVE BEEN IN IRAQ. 21:03:33 THAT'S WHAT THEY TELL ME. THEY TELL ME, LOOK, THIS IS A 21:03:37 VOLUNTEER ARMY, YOU WANT TO TAKE OUR ADVICE. 21:03:39 OUR ADVICE IS, GIVE US A CHANCE TO TRY TO STABILIZE THIS THAT 21:03:44 PLACE, OTHERWISE WE KNOW WHAT WILL HAPPEN TWOXT YEARS FROM NOW 21:03:46 YOU WILL SEND US BACK BECAUSE THERE WILL BE A MAJOR WAR IN 21:03:49 THIS AREA. >> Larry: WHAT DO YOU DO TO 21:03:51 CHANGE IT? 20,000 TROOPS GOING TO CHANGE 21:03:53 IT? >> I HOPE THEY CHANGE THE WHOLE 21:03:55 STRATEGY, WHICH I HOPE THEY DID. THE WHOLE STRATEGY HAS TO BE A 21:03:59 STRATEGY OF NOT JUST PACIFYING PLACES BUT HOLDING THEM AND 21:04:05 HOLDING THEM FOR SOME PERIOD OF TIME. 21:04:06 IT REMINDS ME A LITTLE, ON A MUCH BIGGER SCALE, WHAT I HAD TO 21:04:10 DO TO REDUCE CRIME IN NEW YORK CITY. 21:04:12 WE HAD TO NOT JUST GO INTO NEIGHBORHOODS AND NATH SAFE, 21:04:16 WHICH THE CITY HAD BEEN DOING FOR YEARS. 21:04:17 THE CITY HAD BEEN GOING IN THERE MAKING THEM SAFE AND LEAVING AND 21:04:20 GOING TO OTHER PLACES. MAKE IT SAFE, LEAVE. 21:04:22 WE HAVE TO GO, MAKE IT SAFE AND IN THE AREAS, DISTRICTS OF 21:04:26 BAGHDAD, AND STAY THERE FOR A PERIOD OF TIME AND STABILIZE IT 21:04:30 AND ALLOW PEOPLE TO HAVE THEIR KIDS GO TO SCHOOL. 21:04:34 WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, THERE WAS A REAL DOUBT AS TO WHETHER WE 21:04:41 COULD DO THIS NATION BUILDING. LOW PRESSURE WE WERE NOT GOING 21:04:45 TO DO IT. >> AND IT'S REALLY HARD TO DO 21:04:49 AND DIFFERENT THAN THE MILITARY HAD TO DO IN THE PAST OR 21:04:51 AMERICA. BUT RIGHT NOW IF WE DON'T DO A 21:04:53 BETTER JOB OF STABILIZING IRAQ, NOT JUST FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE 21:04:57 IRAQI PEOPLE, FOR THE BENEFIT OF OUR PEOPLE, THEN WE HAVE A 21:05:01 COUNTRY WHERE IRAN HAS GOT A MAJOR, MAJOR ABILITY TO EXPAND 21:05:05 THEIR ACTIVITIES. TWO SHIITE COUNTRIES RIGHT NEXT 21:05:08 TO EACH OTHER, SLAUGHTERING -- ONE GROUP AT LEAST, IS 21:05:12 SLAUGHTERING SUNNIS. >> Larry: WOULD YOU AGREE, MR. 21:05:14 MAYOR, IF THEY HAD TO DO THIS ALL OVER AGAIN, GO BACK YEARS, 21:05:18 NOBODY WOULD VOTE FOR THE IRAQ WAR. 21:05:22 100 TO NOTHING PROBABLY IN THE SENATE. 21:05:24 >> I GUESS. BUT I'M NOT SURE THAT EXPLAINS 21:05:26 WHAT'S RIGHT ABOUT US. THE IDEA OF TAKING OUT SADDAM 21:05:30 HUSSEIN WAS ONE THAT WAS PREMISED ON THE FACT THAT HE 21:05:33 INVADED KUWAIT, THAT HE USED CHEMICAL WEAPONS, THAT HE HAD 21:05:37 BILLIONS OF DOLLARS AT HIS DISPOSAL, WHICH HE USED TO 21:05:40 SUPPORT VARIOUS PARTS OF THIS ISLAMIC TERRORIST MOVEMENT. 21:05:44 >> Larry: YOU'RE NOT SAYING YOU WOULD DO IT AGAIN? 21:05:46 >> I WOULD REMOVE SADDAM HUSSEIN AGAIN. 21:05:48 I JUST HOPE WE DO IT BETTER AND IN A DIFFERENT WAY. 21:05:50 WE DO THE NATION BUILDING PART OR THE HANDOFF TO THE IRAQIS OR 21:05:55 REBUILDING OF THE IRAQIS -- HERE ARE THE THINGS I HAVE LEARNED 21:05:59 FROM IT. I 21:06:02 I WOULD TAKE OUT SADDAM HUSSEIN IN A SECOND AGAIN. 21:06:04 I THINK THE WORLD IS MUCH BETTER OFF WITHOUT SADDAM HUSSEIN THAN 21:06:06 WITH HIM. I THINK SOME OF THE CONFUSION 21:06:08 DOES NOT LEAD US TO REALLY SEE THAT. 21:06:10 HERE'S WHAT I WOULD CHANGE -- DO IT WITH MORE TROOPS -- 21:06:13 >> Larry: WHEN WAS RECOMMENDED AND TURNED DOWN. 21:06:17 >> MAYBE 150,000 MORE. WOULD I DO IT IN A WAY WHICH WE 21:06:21 DID NOT DISBAND THE ARMY, WHICH WE LEARNED. 21:06:23 THIS IS ALL MONDAY MORNING QUARTERBACKING BUT THE MONDAY 21:06:25 MOERN QB, IN ORDER TO PLAY THE NEXT GAME BETTER, MONDAY MORE 21:06:30 THAN QUARTERBACK, YOU JUST WANT TO CRITICIZE, CHEAP STUFF. 21:06:33 MONDAY MORNING QUARTERBACK NEXT SATURDAY OR SUNDAY SO YOU CAN 21:06:35 PLAY BETTER IS ABSOLUTELY RIGHT. I WOULD -- I WOULD HAVE US NOT 21:06:40 DISBAND THE ARMY. YOU WOULD NOT DEBADGE PHI. 21:06:44 SEE, IT SOUNDS LIKE THE RIGHT THING TO DO. 21:06:46 YOU'RE GETTING RID OF ALL OF THE SOLD ZAMD GUYS BUT THAT MEANT 21:06:50 GETTING RID OF THE ENTIRE CIVIL SERVICE. 21:06:53 THE COUNTRY HAD NO INFRASTRUCTURE. 21:06:55 >> Larry: SO WHO DO YOU BLAME, RUMSFELD? 21:06:56 >> I DON'T BLAME ANYBODY. >> Larry: SOMEBODY HAS -- 21:06:59 NOBODY'S TO BLAME? >> YOU DON'T DO IT THAT WAY. 21:07:03 THAT IS WHY YOU DON'T MAKE PROGRESS. 21:07:05 I DON'T BLAME PEOPLE FOR NOT FIGURING OUT SEPTEMBER 11 BEFORE 21:07:07 IT HAPPENED. I KIND OF LOOK AT WHAT HAPPENED 21:07:10 SO YOU LEARN FOR THE FUTURE. >> Larry: THERE WERE MISTAKE 21:07:13 ZBLZ OF COURSE THERE WERE MISTAKES. 21:07:15 LINCOLN MADE MISTAKES. ROOSEVELT MADE MISTAKES. 21:07:17 IDES ENHOUR MADE MISTAKES. THE BATTLE OF THE BULGE WAS THE 21:07:21 BIGGEST INTELLIGENCE IDEA IN THE HISTORY OF AMERICA, MUCH BIGGER 21:07:24 THAN VIETNAM OR NOW. WE DIDN'T KNOW THE SOVIETS WERE 21:07:28 MOVING 400,000, 500,000 TROOPS. >> Larry: SHOULD THEY BE BLAMED 21:07:32 FROM NOT EXPLAINING -- >> LEARN FROM IT. 21:07:35 >> Larry: THE AMERICAN PUBLIC IS SO AGAINST IT. 21:07:36 HAVE THEY DONE A BAD JOB IN EXPLAIN SOMETHING. 21:07:39 >> MAYBE, MAYBE. >> Larry: WOULD YOU COMMUNICATE 21:07:41 BETTER? >> I DON'T KNOW. 21:07:42 I HOPE I WOULD. I HOPE THAT I WOULD LEARN FROM 21:07:45 THE MISTAKES THAT WERE MADE IN THIS SITUATION, LIKE THE 21:07:54 MISTAKES I MAY AS MAYOR, I LEARNED FROM THEM. 21:07:58 IF I AM PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES, I WILL NOT MAKE THE SAME 21:08:02 MISTAKES I WILL LEARN FROM THEM AND MABLG NEW ONES. 21:08:06 AND I WILL LEARN FROM PRESIDENT CLINTON AND GEORGE BUSH. 21:08:09 THIS JOB IS SO DIFFICULT. YOU HAVE TO HAVE HUMILITY ABOUT 21:08:12 IT AND YOU HAVE TO UNDERSTAND HOW TO LOOK AT THE PAST, NOT 21:08:15 ONLY IN A WAY THAT CASTS BLAME, BUT YOU LEARN FROM IT. 21:08:18 >> Larry: THE HOUSE SPARPTLY ABOUT TO VOTE AND WILL VOTE 21:08:20 APPARENTLY, TO SAY THIS 20,000 TROOPS IS A MISTAKE. 21:08:25 IMPORTANT QUESTION -- DO YOU HOLD THOSE WHO VOTE FOR THAT AS 21:08:27 HELPING THE ENEMY? >> NO. 21:08:29 I HOLD THEM AS -- >> Larry: SOME SAY THAT. 21:08:31 YOU DON'T? >> AS PRACTICE, YOU CAN LOOK AT 21:08:34 THE PRACTICAL AND CONCLUSION ANY WAY YOU WAUCHBLT BUT WE HAVE A 21:08:42 RIGHT OF FREE SPEECH THIS THIS COUNTRY. 21:08:44 WE ELECT PEOPLE TO MAKE DECISIONS. 21:08:45 HERE'S WHAT I WOULD PREFER TO SEE THEM DO. 21:08:49 IF YOU ASK ME WHAT'S MY VIEW ON THAT. 21:08:52 THE NONBINDING RESOLUTION THING GETS ME MORE THAN ARE YOU FOR IT 21:08:54 OR AGAINST IT. I HAVE TREMENDOUS RESPECT FOR 21:08:58 THE PEOPLE WHO FEEL THAT WE EITHER MADE A MISTAKE GOING TO 21:09:02 WAR, WHO VOTED AGAINST THE WAR, WHO NOW HAVE COME TO THE 21:09:05 CONCLUSION, CHANGED THEIR MINDS. THEY HAVE EVER RIGHT TO THAT 21:09:09 THAT IT'S WRONG. YOU SHOULD IN A DYNAMIC 21:09:13 SITUATION KEEP QUESTIONING. BUT THERE'S NO DECISION. 21:09:17 >> Larry: IT'S A STATEMENT. >> THAT'S WHAT YOU DO AND WHAT 21:09:21 TIM RUSSERT DOES AND RUSH LIMBAUGH DOES. 21:09:23 MAKE COMMENTS. WE PAK THEM TO MAKE DECISIONS, 21:09:26 NOT JUST TO MAKE COMMENTS. WE PAY THEM TO DECIDE. 21:09:30 THE UNITED STATES CONGRESS DOES DECLARATIONS OF WAR. 21:09:33 >> Larry: IF YOU FEEL THAT WAY, WITHHOLD FUNDS, THAT'S THE WAY 21:09:37 YOU FEEL? >> THE ONES I THINK HAVE A 21:09:39 BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT THEIR RESPONSIBILITY IS ARE -- 21:09:44 AND ARE WILLING TO TAKE A RISK, ARE THE ONES WHO ARE SAYING, WE 21:09:47 HAVE GOT TO HOLD BACK THE FUNDS. WE HAVE TO VOTE AGAINST THE WAR 21:09:51 OR WE ARE FOR THE WAR. MAYBE IT'S BECAUSE I RAN A 21:09:55 GOVERNMENT, AND I TEND TO BE A DECISIVE PERSON. 21:09:57 I LIKE DECISIONS. ONE OF THE THINGS WRONG WITH 21:09:59 WASHINGTON IS, THEY DON'T WANT TO MAKE TOUGH DECISIONS ANYMORE. 21:10:04 NONBINDING RESOLUTION ABOUT IRAQ, NO DECISION ON 21:10:07 IMMIGRATION. NO DECISION ON SOCIAL SECURITY 21:10:09 REFORM. NO DECISION ON WHAT TO DO ABOUT 21:10:11 ENERGY INDEPENDENCE. NO DECISION. 21:10:12 YOU KNOW WHY THAT HAPPENS? BECAUSE IT'S UNPOPULAR. 21:10:15 >> Larry: I HAVE TO TAKE A BREAK. 21:10:17 I DON'T WANT TO TAKE YOUR HEART, BUT IF YOU'RE PRESIDENT, YOU 21:10:21 CANNOT ROOT FOR THE YANKEES. >> YOU HAVE TO MAKE DECISIONS. 21:10:24 >> Larry: YOU HAVE TO ROOT FOR EVERYBODY. 21:10:25 RUDY GIULIANI IS OUR GUEST AND READ CANDIDATE. 21:10:26 HE'S RUNNING! WE WILL BE RIGHT BACK. 21:13:23 >> Larry: LET'S MOVE TO SOME THINGS DOMESTIC. 21:13:27 YOU HAVE HAD SOME CALLS LATELY THAT SEEM CONTRADICTORY. 21:13:30 I KNOW YOU'RE PRO-CHOICE. YOU ARE ALWAYS WHOA CHOICE AND 21:13:34 YET YOU SAID YOU WILL APPOINT JUDGE THAT'S ARE STRICT 21:13:39 CONSTRUCTIST AND THEY DID OVERTURN ROE VS. WADE. 21:13:44 >> DON'T THINK THAT 1234. >> Larry: HOW DO YOU EXPLAIN IS 21:13:48 THAT THAT? >> I'M PRO-CHOICE BUT I'M ALSO, 21:13:52 AS YOU KNOW, AGAINST ABORTION, HATE ABORTION. 21:13:54 DON'T LIKE IT. WOULD NOT PERSONALLY ADVISE 21:13:57 ANYONE TO HAVE ABORTION. BUT I BELIEVE A WOMAN HAS A 21:13:59 RIGHT TO CHOOSE. CAN YOU NOT HAVE CRIMINAL 21:14:01 PENALTIES, AND I THINK THAT WOULD BE WRONG. 21:14:03 I WOULD SELECT JUDGES WHO TRY TO INTERPRET THE CONSTITUTION, 21:14:08 RATHER THAN INVENT IT, FROM MY VIEWS AS A LAWYER AND -- I DON'T 21:14:12 WANT TO SOUND PRESHUM CHEWOUS, I'M NOT A CONSTITUTIONAL LAWYER 21:14:16 BUT I HAVE ARGUED IN THE SUPREME COURT, AND I HAVE ARGUED IN MANY 21:14:21 OF THE CIRCUIT COURTS. SPENT MORE TIME IN COURTS THAN I 21:14:23 HAVE IN POLITICS. I THINK IT'S VERY IMPORTANT AND 21:14:29 FOR A JUDGE TO HAVE A PHILOSOPHICAL POLICY THAT SAIDLY 21:14:32 FIGURE OUT WHAT THE FRAMERS OF THE CONSTITUTION MEANT WHEN THEY 21:14:36 WROTE THIS OR WHAT THEY MEANT WHEN THEY PUT IT IN. 21:14:39 NOT WHAT I WOULD LIKE IT TO MEAN OR I FEEL IT MEANS. 21:14:41 HI THAT VIEW ABOUT THE CRIMINAL LAW. 21:14:43 I THOUGHT A LOT OF DECISIONS OF THE WARREN COURT WERE A MISTAKE. 21:14:47 I THAUS COLLUSIONARY RULE WAS A MISTAKE TOXT SOME EXTENT MIRANDA 21:14:50 WAS A MISTAKE. HERE'S WHAT THE COURT DID WITH 21:14:52 THOSE. A LOT OF PEOPLE THOUGHT WITH THE 21:14:56 BERGER -- >> Larry: LAWYERS LOVE MIRANDA. 21:14:58 MADE CASES MORE SOLID. >> MIRANDA IS OKAY, BUT WHEN 21:15:01 PEOPLE DON'T GIVE A MIRANDA WARNING QUICKLY ENOUGH WHEN 21:15:06 BLURTS OUT A CONFESSION, I STILL WANT TO PUT THAT MURDERER IN 21:15:10 JAIL. WHEN A COP MAKES A MISTAKE AND 21:15:12 FINDING A WEAPON OR DRUGS, I NEVER LIKED THE IDEA OF GIVING 21:15:15 IT BACK TO THE CRIMINAL. HERE'S WHAT THE COURT DID. 21:15:17 THE TWO COURTS THAT CAME AFTER -- TWO CONSERATIVE COURT 21:15:22 THAT'S CAME AFTER, BERGER AND REHNQUIST, PEOPLE THOUGHT THEY 21:15:25 WOULD OVERRULE MIRANDA. THEY DID NOT OVERRULE IT. 21:15:29 THEY LIMITED IT. AND LIMITED IT TO THE POINT 21:15:31 WHERE IT IS NOW QUITE RATIONAL. >> Larry: ARE YOU PRETTY SURE NO 21:15:35 MATTER WHAT YOU'RE PIPTED, ROE VS. WADE WOULD REMAIN? 21:15:38 >> NOBODY KNOW THAT'S. >> Larry: WOULD IT HURT YOU IF 21:15:41 IT WAS OVERTURNED? >> DON'T THINK IT WOULD HELP OR 21:15:43 HURT ME. >> Larry: WOULD YOU BE 21:15:46 INDIFFERENT TO IT? >> I WOULD NOT BE INDIFFERENT TO 21:15:49 IT. IT WOULD NOT BE LITMUS TEST I 21:15:51 WOULD APPOINT SOMEBODY. WOULD I APPOINT SOMEBODY WHO I 21:15:53 THOUGHT WOULD BE A GOOD JUDGE WHO WOULD DO THE BEST THEY COULD 21:15:56 DO INTERPRET THE CONSTITUTION. MAYBE NINE TIMES OUT OF TEN, I 21:15:59 WILL BE SATISFIED WITH THAT PINTMENT AND ONE OUT OF TEN 21:16:04 TIMES, I WOULD BE SITTING THERE LIKE USED TO DO WHEN I APPOINTED 21:16:07 LOTS OF PEOPLE AT MAYOR, HOW COULD THEY DO THAT? 21:16:10 I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND WHY THEY DID. 21:16:13 >> Larry: YOU'RE BASICALLY PRO THE GAY MOVEMENT. 21:16:14 GAYS HAVE EQUAL RIGHTS TO HETRO, INSURANCE BENEFITS AND ALL OF 21:16:19 THAT. >> GAYS SHOULD PROTECTED. 21:16:22 I SIGNED THE DOMESTIC PARTNERSHIP LAW IN NEW YORK. 21:16:25 THE WAY I DRIVE MY OPPONENTS, THEY SAY I'M IN FAVOR OF GAY 21:16:30 MARRIAGE. I DID 220 WEDDINGS, ALL BETWEEN 21:16:32 A MAN AND WOMAN. I HOPE THEY WERE ALL BETWEEN A 21:16:35 MAN AND WOMAN. IT LOOKED THAT WAY AT THE TIME. 21:16:38 BUT, YEAH, I BELIEVE MARRIAGE IS P SOMETHING THAT SHOULD BE 21:16:42 BETWEEN A MAN AND A WOMAN AND THE WAY TO HANDLE THIS AND THE 21:16:47 WAY TO HANDLE RESPECT AND EVERYTHING ELSE IS HAVE 21:16:49 SOMETHING LIKE DOMESTIC PARTNERSHIP, WHICH I SUPPORT. 21:16:51 >> Larry: WOULD YOU FAVOR CON TUSAL AMENDMENT FAVORING 21:16:55 MARRIAGE BETWEEN A MAN AND WOMAN? 21:16:57 >> NOT UNLESS IT REMAINS -- NOT IF IT REMAINS THE WAY IT IS NOW. 21:17:03 UNLESS A LOT OF OTHER STATES DO WHAT MASSACHUSETTS DOES, COME 21:17:06 OUT SANE, YOU CAN R CANNOT HAVE MARRIAGE BETWEEN MAN AND WOMAN. 21:17:10 IF IT CHANGES, MAYBE VERY WELL. >> Larry: ARE YOU IN FAVOR OF 21:17:14 GUN CONTROL? >> I DID. 21:17:15 BUT I ALSO UNDERSTAND THE SECOND AMENDMENT. 21:17:17 I UNDERSTAND THE RIGHT TO BEAR ARMS. 21:17:20 A LOT OF THESE THINGS HAVE TO BE RESOLVED ON A STATE-BY-STATE 21:17:23 BASIS. I USED TO SAY OFTEN WHEN I WAS 21:17:26 THE MAYOR, ONE THING FOR NEW YORK, AND SOMETHING DIFFERENT 21:17:29 FOR TEXAS. >> Larry: RUDY, WILL IT BE ROUGH 21:17:31 FOR YOU -- BY THE WAY, BIG PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE APRIL 4 IN 21:17:35 NEW HAMPSHIRE. DEMOCRATS ONE NIGHT. 21:17:37 REPUBLICANS THE NEXT. CNN IS COSPNSERRING IT WITH 21:17:41 WMMR. ARE YOU GOING TO COME? 21:17:42 >> I DIDN'T KNOW. >> Larry: I'M INVITING YOU ON 21:17:45 BEHALF OF CNN. >> LET ME TAKE A LOOK. 21:17:47 >> Larry: IF YOUR SCHEDULE IS OPEN, WILL YOU COME? 21:17:49 >> LET ME TAKE A LOOK. >> Larry: WILL IT BE HARD FOR 21:17:52 YOU? YOU'RE WAY AHEAD IN THE POLLS, 21:17:54 BY THE WAY. YOU COULD WIN THE ELECTION BUT 21:17:58 NOT THE NOMINATION BECAUSE YOU CANNOT WIN SOUTH CAROLINA. 21:18:00 YOU CANNOT WIN ALABAMA. WITH THE VIEWS YOU HAVE, VIA 21:18:05 ABORTION GAIN RIGHTS. >> YOU HEARD THE VIEWS THAT I 21:18:06 HAVE AND THERE ARE A LOT OF OTHER ISSUES YOU CAN COVER. 21:18:10 >> Larry: HOW TOUGH WILL BE IT FOR YOU IN THE SOUTH? 21:18:11 >> I HAVE BEEN IN SOUTH CAROLINA QUITE A BIT AND OTHER PARTS OF 21:18:14 THE SOUTH. SEEMS LIKE THEY ARE OPEN. 21:18:17 SEEKS LIKE PEOPLE ARE OPEN TO MAYBE APPROACHING THIS ELECTION 21:18:20 A LITTLE DIFFERENTLY FROM THE POINT -- BOTH ON THE REPUBLICAN 21:18:22 SIDE AND DEMOCRATIC SIDE. WE NEED LEADERSHIP. 21:18:25 I THINK THERE'S AN UNDERSTANDING THAT YOU CANNOT -- YOU CAN NEVER 21:18:28 FIND A CANDIDATE YOU AGREE WITH 100% OF THE TIME. 21:18:31 I DON'T AGREE WITH MYSELF 100% OF A TIME. 21:18:33 HOW ARE YOU GOING TO FIND A CANDIDATE AWE GRE WITH -- 21:18:36 >> Larry: YOU THINK THEY WILL VOTE FOR YOU? 21:18:38 >> I THINK THEY WILL ON THE BASIS OF LEADERSHIP. 21:18:42 I THINK THEY WILL ON THE BASIS WE NEED SOMEBODY WHO CAN 21:18:46 ULTIMATELY HAND THL COUNTRY AT A TIME OF WAR AND AT A TIME WE 21:18:49 HAVE TOUGH THINGS TO FACE WE HAVE NOT BEEN FACING FOR A 21:18:51 WHILE. >> Larry: A COUPLE OTHER QUICK 21:18:54 THINGS, YOUR ROLGS RELATIONSHIP WITH BERNIE CAREY, POTENTIAL 21:18:57 CAMPAIGN PROBLEM? >> YOU MEAN HIS -- RECOMMENDING 21:19:00 HIM? IT WAS A MISTAKE. 21:19:01 I MADE A MISTAKE. >> Larry: YOU THINK IT WILL HURT 21:19:03 YOU? YOU THINK AN OPPONENT WILL BRING 21:19:07 IT UP? WHY AM I BRINGING IT UP! 21:19:09 >> YES, I THINK THE ANSWER IS, I MADE A MISTAKE AND TYKE 21:19:13 RESPONSIBILITY FOR IT. >> Larry: YOUR DIVORCE AND 21:19:15 PERSONAL LIFE. >> THEY WILL BRING ALL OF THAT 21:19:17 UP AND PROBABLY BRING UP THING THAT'S ARE NOT EVEN TRUE. 21:19:20 AND THEY WILL BRING UP THINGS THAT ARE TRUE. 21:19:22 THE WAY I DEAL WITH THAT, I'M A HUMAN BEING. 21:19:24 I MADE MISTAKES. I'M NOT PERFECT. 21:19:28 I KEEP TRYING TO LEARN FROM THEM. 21:19:30 SOMETIMES I DO, SOMETIMES I DON'T. 21:19:32 I KEEP WORKING ON THAT AND TRYING TO LEARN. 21:19:34 I'M A HUMAN BEING. MUCH LIKE I THINK, EVERYBODY 21:19:37 ELSE, THEY MAY BE A PERFECT CANDIDATE IN THIS RACE. 21:19:39 I DON'T KNOW WHICH ONE THAT IS. I WOULD NOT WANT TO BE THE ONE 21:19:41 THAT IS THE PERFECT CANDIDATE. >> Larry: LAST TIME WE HAD A 21:19:44 PRESIDENTIAL RACE, I REMEMBER YOU LIKED JOHN McCAIN. 21:19:45 AND HE WAS A FRIEND OF YOURS. >> WE STILL ARE FRIENDS. 21:19:48 I LIKE JOHN McCAIN VERY MUCH. I HAVE A SINCERE ADMIRATION FOR 21:19:54 JOHN McCAIN. WE WILL BOTH BATTLE IT OUT FOR 21:19:57 THE REPUBLICAN NOMINATION. BURT IT'S NOT GOING TO IN ONE -- 21:20:01 ONE IOTA REMOVE THE KIND OF RESPECT I HAVE FOR JOHN. 21:20:05 I THINK JOHN IS A GREAT AMERICAN. 21:20:07 AND ONED THAT, HE'S A GREAT PERSON. 21:20:08 HE'S SOMEBODY I KNOW. I REALLY LIKE HIM VERY MUCH. 21:20:11 I LIKE MITT ROMNEY. I CAMPAIGNED FOR MITT ROMNEY. 21:20:14 THE NIGHT BEFORE HE GOT ELECTED GOVERNOR, I WAS GOING -- THE 21:20:17 LAST CAMPAIGN I MET WITH HIM AND WE WERE IN THE SOUTH SIDE OF 21:20:20 BOSTON. WE HAD DINNER IN A GREAT ITALIAN 21:20:23 RESTAURANT, AND TOLD GREAT STORIES. 21:20:26 >> Larry: DO YOU THINK THIS WILL BE HELD AGAINST HIM? 21:20:28 >> OF COURSE NOT. ABSOLUTELY NOT. 21:20:30 ANY MORE THAN CATHOLICISM SHOULD BE -- 21:20:32 >> HELD AGAINST YOU. >> Larry: AGAINST YOU? 21:20:39 >> BEING FROM KENNEDY, SHOULD BE HELD AGAINST HIM. 21:20:47 >> Larry: I WANT TO RUN FROM BOSTON. 21:20:49 WOULD YOU LIKE TO RUN AGAINST HILLARY? 21:20:50 >> I WOULD LIKE TO RUN AGAINST ANYBODY THE DEMOCRATS NOMINATE. 21:20:54 IF IT'S HILLARY, GOD BLESS HER. OBAMA, OR EDWARDS. 21:21:02 I HOPE I DIDN'T LEAVE EVERYBODY OUT. 21:21:05 >> Larry: THANK YOU, RUDY. HOPE TO SEE YOU ON THE 24th. 21:21:09 CHECK. ALWAYS PUSHING. 21:21:11 SENATOR JOHN EDWARDS SCHEDULED TO BE HERE. 21:21:13 LOOKING AT THE DOOR, HE AIN'T HERE YET. 21:21:14 A LOT OF TRAFFIC IN LOS ANGELES. A PANEL OF OUTSTANDING PUNDITS 21:21:17 AND HE'S LATE. IT'S ALL THE NEXT. 21:21:19 DON'T GO AWAY. >> MAYOR RUDY -- 21:21:25 >> I GUESS I AM. SURE, I'M RUNNING. 21:21:31 >> I DECLARE MY INTENTION TO RUN FOR PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED 21:21:34 STATES. >> I AM TAKING THE FIRST STEP ON 21:21:38 THE YELLOW BRICK ROAD TO THE WHITE HOUSE. 21:21:40 >> PREPARING TO RUN FOR PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES. 21:21:44 IN 2008. >> I THINK I'M IN THE BEST 21:21:49 POSITION. INTRODUCING THE ALL 21:21:57 NEW CHEVY LVERADO. UCKS WITH UPO 21:22:00 367 HORSEPOWER... AND 10,500 POUNDS 21:22:02 TOWG CAPACITY. TRUCKS WITH REAR DOORS THAT 21:22:06 C OPEN 170 DEEES. , ALL BACKED BY THE BEST 21:22:11 COVERAGE IN AMERICA. THAT'S WHY IT'S THE... 21:22:19 THE ALL NEW CHEVSILVERADO. >> Larry: AGAIN, AS WE SAID, 21:24:37 SENATOR EDWARDS STUCK SOMEWHERE. A LOT OF TRAFFIC TONIGHT ON THIS 21:24:41 VALENTINE'S NIGHT IN LOS ANGELES. 21:24:42 LET'S MEET OUR PANEL, MICHAEL, INVESTIGATIVE COMPETENT FOR 21:24:46 "NEWSWEEK." BEST-SELLING AUTHOR OF "HUBRIS," 21:24:48 INSIDE STORY OF SPIN, SCANDAL AND SELLING OF THE IRAQ WAR." 21:24:51 IN BOSTON, DAVID GERGEN, WHO SERVED AS A WHITE HOUSE ADVISE 21:24:54 TORE NIXON, FORD, REAGAN AND CLINTON. 21:24:58 EDITOR OF "U.S. WORLD NEWS" AND PROFESSOR AT HARVARD'S SCHOOL OF 21:25:02 GOVERNMENT. HERE IN L.A., ARIANA HUFFINGTON, 21:25:05 FOUNDER AND EDITOR OF HUFFINGTONPOST.COM. 21:25:10 HER WORK -- BECOMING FEARLESS IN LOVE, WORK AND LIFE. 21:25:14 AND AMY HOME, SPEECHWRITER FOUR THE GOP -- AND SPEECH MEMORY FOR 21:25:19 SENATOR MAJORITY LEADER BILL FRIST. 21:25:20 AND GOP STRATEGIST AS WELL. MICHAEL IZ ACOUGH, WHAT DO YOU 21:25:26 MAKE OF GIULIANI, IN THE UNUSUAL POSITION AHEAD IN THE POLLS BUT 21:25:31 MAYBE BEHIND IN THE REPUBLICAN PRIMARY POLLS? 21:25:32 >> I THINK YOU CAN SEE FROM THE INTERVIEW, WHY HE'S AHEAD OF THE 21:25:36 POLLS. HE'S CLEARLY ENGAGING AND 21:25:39 WINNING PERSONALITY. CAME ACROSS AS QUITE FRANK, 21:25:44 QUITE OPEN. WILLING TO ADMIT MISTAKES. 21:25:48 HE HAS A LONG WAY TO GO. HE'S GOT -- THERE'S NO GETTING 21:25:53 AROUND THE FACT THAT HE WILL BE RUNNING IN PRIMARIES WHERE 21:25:56 SOCIAL CONSERVATIVES PREDOMINANT AND HIS VIEWS ARE NOT COMPATIBLE 21:25:59 WITH THOSE. AND BEYOND THAT, I THINK I THINK 21:26:03 LIKE EVERY OTHER CANDIDATE, IRAQ WILL LOOM LARGE FOR HIM AS IT 21:26:06 WILL FOR EVERYBODY ELSE. AND RIGHT NOW HE'S SUPPORTING 21:26:10 THE SURGE. HE'S SUPPORTING THE PRESIDENT. 21:26:12 BUT THE BIG QUESTION THAT EVERY REPUBLICAN CANDIDATE IS GOING TO 21:26:15 FACE IS, SIX MONTHS DOWN THE ROAD FROM NOW, IF THINGS DON'T 21:26:20 START TO TURN AROUND, IF THERE ISN'T SOME MEASURABLE PROGRESS, 21:26:24 ARE THEY GOING TO STAY COMMITTED TO A COURSE THAT DOES NOT LOOK 21:26:28 LIKE IT'S GOING ANYWHERE? >> Larry: ARIANA? 21:26:31 >> YOU KNOW, I FIND IT AMAZING THE WAY HE'S DECIDED TO 21:26:34 COMPLETELY SUPPORT THE PRESIDENT. 21:26:36 ALL THE WAY DOWN, COMPARING THEIR POLICIES TO LINCOLN'S AND 21:26:40 ROOSEVELT'S WHEN YOU TRY TO PRESS HIM. 21:26:43 WHAT I THINK HIS CALCULATION IS, PERHAPS, GIVEN HE'S PRO-CHOICE 21:26:47 AND PRO GUN CONTROL, PROBABLY DECIDED THAT HE HAD TO BE -- TO 21:26:52 OUT McCAIN ON THE SURGE. TO BE IN FAVOR OF EVERY 21:26:57 ESCALATION, IN ORDER SOMEHOW TO IMPROVE HIS CREDENTIALS. 21:27:01 >> Larry: ARE YOU SAYING IT'S ALL CALCULATEED? 21:27:04 >> IT DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE. HE SHOULD KNOW BETTER THAN THAT. 21:27:06 ON TOP OF IT, IT'S THE WRONG CALCULATION. 21:27:09 YOU CAN NEVER OUT McCAIN/McCAIN. 21:27:13 HE OWNS THAT SPACE OF ESCALATING THE WAR. 21:27:15 ON TOP OF IT HE SPENT FIVE YEARS AT HANOI WHILE JEWEL ONNY GOT A 21:27:21 DEFERMENT BECAUSE SOME JUDGE THOUGHT HE WAS A VERY GOOD LAW 21:27:24 CLERK. IT DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE. 21:27:26 >> Larry: DAVID GERGEN, WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT THE GIULIANI 21:27:29 CANDIDACY? >> WELL, I THINK THAT'S REALLY 21:27:33 INTERESTING, LARRY, IS THE PUNDITS, COMMENT TAROT, IF YOU 21:27:37 WOULD LIKE TO CALL IT THAT, HAS DISCOUNTED -- AND I HAVE BECOME 21:27:41 AMONG THOSE THAT DISCOUNTED A GIULIANI CANDIDACY FOR SOME 21:27:47 TIME. WE SAID, HE LOOK AS TRACTIVE ON 21:27:49 THE SURFACE BUT PEOPLE WILL MOVE AWAY FROM HIM IN THE REPUBLICAN 21:27:52 PARTY. BUT SOMETHING IPING HAPPENED THE 21:27:54 LAST 30 DAYS. A MOG ATHE "USA TODAY" GALLOP 21:27:59 POLL HAD GIULIANI AND McCAIN NECK AND NECK. 21:28:02 GIULIANI AHEAD BY AROUND FOUR POINTS. 21:28:06 THE RECENT POLL HAS GIULIANI AHEAD OF JOHN McCAIN FOR THE 21:28:10 REPUBLICAN NOMINATION BY 16 POINTS. 21:28:12 16 POINTS. HE'S OPENED UP A HUGE LEAD. 21:28:14 I THOUGHT -- I MUST SAY, MY GOOD FRIEND AR ANIA, I DISAGREE IN 21:28:21 PART WHAT'S GOING ON. I THINK HE'S TAKING THESE STAND 21:28:25 BECAUSE IT'S WHAT HE BELIEVES IN. 21:28:26 I THINK HE'S TAKING THE STAND LIKE BARACK OBAMA, WHO IS ON THE 21:28:30 DEMOCRATIC SIDE, HE'S APPEALING BECAUSE THESE AUTHENTIC. 21:28:33 HE IS WHO HE IS WHO HE IS. AND IT'S NOT AT ALL CALCULATED. 21:28:36 >> Larry: LET ME GET BREAK. WE WILL PICK UP WITH AMY HOLMES' 21:28:40 THOUGHTS AND GET INTO A LOT MORE ABOUT POLITICS 2007/2008. 21:28:46 DON'T GO AWAY. >> I AM IN. 21:28:49 I AM IN TO WIN. >> MY CANDIDACY FOR PRESIDENT OF 21:28:53 THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA! >> THE SINGLE BIGGEST 21:29:03 RESPONSIBILITY OF THE NEXT PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES 21:29:05 IS TO RESTORE AMERICA'S LEADERSHIP IN THE WORLD. 21:29:07 >> I STILL PLAN ON RUNNING. I HAVE NOT, QUITE FRANKLY, NOT 21:29:12 THROUGH ALL OF THE MECHANICS OF IT AT THIS POINT. 21:29:13 >> TODAY I FILED THE PAPER WORK CREATING A PRESIDENTIAL 21:29:18 EXPLORATORY COMMITTEE. >> I'M ANNOUNCING MY CANDIDACY 21:29:20 FOR PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES. 21:29:25 I TR OSI I 21:29:31 E S 21:29:33 MENOUSAL OEOSI OSAXISD HACRE 21:29:43 OF BOTTHP SPINE WOM WITH TEOSIS . 21:29:48 NGHI MPNT TO 21:29:52 ER E, NOAB TAN ITIG F 3NU 21:29:54 DN DSE, LOUM 21:29:57 ER E, NOAB TAN L 21:30:06 TINX LL 21:30:09 RI IU VEP ORORNGRN TINX FFNF WI 21:30:13 LL OFER UER STLE 21:30:16 ENI HEAR E O TPROTEC BON 21:32:09 >> Larry: LET'S BRING OUR BUDDY AMY HOLMS INTO THE NEXT. 21:32:12 WHAT HAPPENED, AS DAVID GERGEN POINTS OUT, WHAT HAPPENED TO 21:32:15 McCAIN? >> WELL, HE'S BEEN OVERSHADOWED 21:32:18 BY THIS BIG GIULIANI ANNOUNCEMENT. 21:32:20 I THINK IN THE INTERVIEW WE SAW TONIGHT, GIULIANI PROVES WHY 21:32:24 HE'S SUCH A FORMIDABLE OPPONENT. HE'S CHARISMATIC AND CANDID AND 21:32:27 COMFORTABLE IN HIS OWN SKIN. WITH McCAIN A. AMONG 21:32:30 CONSERVATIVES, THERE'S A LOT OF EXCEPTISM. 21:32:33 REMEMBER, HE WAS FOR CAMPAIGN FINANCE REFORM AND THAT WASN'T 21:32:36 SO GREAT FOR THE RELIGIOUS CONSERVATIVE GROUPS AND RISE OF 21:32:38 THE A527s ON THE LEFT WAS AN UNHAPPY DEVELOPMENT. 21:32:44 McCAIN, THERE'S ILL WILL. SOME POLLS SHOW GIULIANI AHEAD 21:32:49 IN ALABAMA AND GEORGIA. AND WHEN HE WAS MAYOR OF NEW 21:32:52 YORK, HE WAS A HERO TO CONSERVATIVES WITH CONSERVATIVE 21:32:55 REFORMS IN NEW YORK AS MAYOR. I THINK HE'S AN EXCITING 21:32:57 CANDIDATE AND HE WILL BRING A LOT OF SIZZLE TO THIS ELECTION. 21:33:01 >> Larry: MICHAEL, WHAT ABOUT MITT ROMNEY, MORMON FROM SALT 21:33:03 LAKEHO W BECOMES GOVERNOR AND CATHOLIC MASSACHUSETTS. 21:33:06 ISN'T THAT FORMIDABLE? >> YEAH. 21:33:10 I MEAN, LOOK, I'M LIKE A LOT OF OTHER PEOPLE, DON'T KNOW ALL 21:33:13 THAT MUCH ABOUT MITT ROMNEY. I THINK HE'S POSITIONED TO BE 21:33:17 THE CON VEPGSAL CONSERVATIVE CANDIDATE IN THIS ELECTION. 21:33:23 AND PROBABLY WELL POSITIONED TO DO THAT. 21:33:26 BUT I JUST WANT -- WE CANNOT GET AROUND -- NOT TO ECHO MYSELF, 21:33:31 BUT IRAQ IS THE STUMBLING BLOCK FOR ALL OF THESE GUYS. 21:33:35 AND THEY HAVE GOT TO DEAL WITH IT. 21:33:39 AND THEY ARE ALL AT THE MOMENT SUPPORTING A WAR THE AMERICAN 21:33:41 PUBLIC DOES NOT SUPPORT. AND THE LONGER THEY DO SO, THE 21:33:48 LONGER THEY ARE GOING TO HAVE PROBLEMS, IF ANY OF THEM -- 21:33:51 WHOEVER GETS THE NOMINATION, WILL HAVE THAT PROBLEM IN A IN 21:33:57 JARM ELECTION. >> Larry: DID THAT MEAN, ARIANA, 21:34:00 IRAQ WILL BE THE LOSS FOR REPUBLICANS? 21:34:01 IRAQ WOULD BE THE SFLN. >> ABSOLUTELY. 21:34:03 I COMPLETELY AGREE WITH MIKE. TO HEAR GIULIANI RESPOND TO YOU, 21:34:07 LARRY, BY SAYING THE IRAQ IS A LITTLE BIT LIKE NEW YORK AND 21:34:11 FIGHTING THE WAR IN IRAQ IS LIKE FIGHTING CRIME IN THE STREETS OF 21:34:14 NEW YORK, IT IS SO LAUGHABLE. I CANNOT IMAGINE HOW ANYBODY CAN 21:34:17 TAKE IT SERIOUSLY AS A POSITION ON THE WAR. 21:34:21 TO IGNORE THE FACT THERE IS A CIVIL WAR GOING ON THERE IS 21:34:25 REALLY TO SHOW ABSOLUTELY NO UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT IS 21:34:28 HAPPENING AND TRY TO TREAT IT LIKE A CRIME PROBLEM. 21:34:32 SO, THEREFORE, IT'S REALLY EXACTLY WHAT MIKE SAID. 21:34:35 IT THIS WILL REMAIN A HUGE VULNERABILITY BOTH IN THE 21:34:39 PRIMARY, BECAUSE YOU HAVE SOMEONE AGAINST THE ESCALATION 21:34:44 AND 100% RATING BY THE CONSERVATIVE UNION. 21:34:47 HE HAS THE YOUNG APPROACH. HE WILL ACTUALLY PROVE QUITE 21:34:52 FORMIDABLE IF THE WAR IN IRAQ CONTINUES. 21:34:54 >> Larry: DAVID GERGEN, IS IRAQ GOING TO BE THE WIN AND THE LOSS 21:34:58 OF THIS ELECTION? >> I THINK ARIANA IS RIGHT THAT 21:35:04 IT COULD AFFECT THE ELECTIONS IN NOVEMBER 2008. 21:35:07 AT THIS POINT GIULIANI IS NOT FOCUSING ON 2008. 21:35:10 HE NEEDS TO WIN THE NOMINATION. IN THAT SENSE HE'S IN THE SAME 21:35:13 BOAT -- THE THREE FRONT RUNGSERS, AS ARIANA JUST POINTED 21:35:19 OUT FROM THE REPUBLICAN SIDE ARE ALL FOR THE SURGE. 21:35:21 IT'S NOT THE WORE THAT WILL DEFINE WHO WINS THE NOMINATION 21:35:24 SO MUCH. I THINK IT WILL -- ONCE YOU GET 21:35:26 THE NOMINATION, YOU HAVE A WHOLE NEW BALLGAME. 21:35:30 THEN THE WAR DOES WEIGH HEAVILY AGAINST REPUBLICANS. 21:35:33 YOU COULD EASILY SEE AN ELECTION IN 2008, LARRY, WHOEVER THE 21:35:37 REPUBLICAN NOMINEE IS WILL GET SWAMPED BY THE WAR AND 21:35:40 REPUBLICANS COULD LOSE A LOT OF GROUND IN THE HOUSE AND SENATE 21:35:42 AND YOU COULD HAVE A DEMOCRAT COMING IN WITH A BIG, BIG 21:35:46 MARGIN. BUT WE ARE STILL TWO YEARS AWAY. 21:35:49 LONG WAYS AWAY. RUDY GIULIANI IS RIGHT, THE WAR 21:35:51 POSITION WILL NOT DEFINE HIM NOW. 21:35:54 CAN HE WIN OVER THE E CONSERVATIVES AND WIN OVER THEIR 21:35:58 SUPPORT TO MAKE IT THROUGH THE PRIMARIES? 21:36:00 >> Larry: AMY, IS YOUR PARTY IN BIG TROUBLE? 21:36:01 >> I THINK 2008 IS WIDE OPEN AND THE WAR QUESTION IS A 21:36:05 COMPLICATED QUESTION FOR THE DEMOCRATIC SITD AS WELL. 21:36:07 WE ARE SEEING THAT PLAYED OUT WITH BARACK OBAMA AND HILLARY 21:36:09 CLINTON. BARACK BEING STAUNCHLY ANTI-WAR 21:36:12 AND BEING A FAVORITE OF THE BASE OF HIS PARTY AND HILLARY CLINTON 21:36:15 BEING ASKED OVER AND OVER AND OVER ABOUT HER VOTE IN THE 21:36:19 SENATE TO GIVE THE PRESIDENT AUTHORIZATION TO GO TO WAR. 21:36:22 I THINK GIULIANI PROMOTING THE SURGE IS SHOWING HIS LOYALTY AND 21:36:28 SUPPORT OF THE PRESIDENT AS COMMANDER IN CHIEF. 21:36:30 THE SURGE WILL PLAY OUT AND SIX MONTHS FROM NOW, EIGHT MONTHS 21:36:33 FROM NOW, GIULIANI, CAN MAKE A POLICY DEPENDING ON HOW THAT 21:36:39 SURGE WORKED. I DON'T THINK HIS POSITION TODAY 21:36:41 ON THE SURGE WILL DETERMINE HIS OUTCOME IN 2008. 21:36:44 >> Larry: WE WILL TAKE A BREAK AND COME BACK AND TALK ABOUT THE 21:36:47 DEMOCRATS. AND WE WILL ALSO INCLUDE YOUR 21:36:48 PHONE CALLS ON THIS EDITION OF "LARRY KING LIVE." 21:36:52 DON'T GO AWAY. T. 21:38:43 G CALLS FROM SPRIN 21:38:45 SAVES US ENOUGH MONE TO COV OTHER COSTS. 21:38:47 - LIKE? - LI YOUR NEPHEW. 21:38:56 TH. SPRINT H 21:38:58 FREENCOMING PLANS. CARRIE DON. OTR NS 21:39:02 NOW BUONE NYO 7000 ANGET FOUR FRE 21:39:04 VISIsprint.com/bines >> Larry: FOUR OF THE BEST OF 21:39:48 THE BUSINESS, MICHAEL ISIKOFF, ARIANA HUFFINGTON, AMY HOLMES. 21:39:54 MR. ISIKOFF, GIVE ME YOUR VIEW OF THE DEMOCRATIC PICTURE. 21:39:57 >> WELL, HILLARY CLINTON IS THE FRONT RUNNER. 21:39:59 BUT, OBVIOUSLY, SHE HAS AN IRAQ PROBLEM OF HER OWN. 21:40:02 IT'S THE QUESTION SHE'S GETTING ASKED ABOUT THE MOST EVERY TIME 21:40:08 SHE GOES AND SPEAK. SHE HAS YET TO BE ABLE TO GO AND 21:40:12 GIVE AS DIRECT AN ANSWER AS JOHN ETD WARDS HAS, STARTING WITH THE 21:40:16 WORDS, "I MADE A MISTAKE." THAT'S A CONSTITUTIONALLY VERY 21:40:21 DIFFICULT THING F. NOT IMPOSSIBLE THING, FOR HILLARY 21:40:23 CLINTON TO SAY. I THINK PEOPLE ARE TRYING TO 21:40:25 PUSH HER INTO SAYING THAT. THE INTERESTING DYNAMIC IS TO 21:40:30 WATCH AS THAT PLAYS OUT -- WILL SHE FINALLY BE ABLE TO BRING 21:40:34 HERSELF TO UTTER WORDS THAT ARE CLEARLY UNCOMFORTABLE FOR HER? 21:40:38 >> Larry: WHY IS THAT SO URGENT, ARIANNA? 21:40:45 WHY CAN'T SHE SAY I VOTED FOR HER BECAUSE OF INFORMATION I WAS 21:40:47 GIVEN AND BECAUSE OF THAT INFORMATION, I HAD WRONG 21:40:49 INFORMATION, AND THAT'S WHY VOIGHTED. 21:40:52 MY MISTAKE -- >> NOT TO BE ABLE TO SAY I MADE 21:40:55 A MISTAKE IS SUCH A FUNDAMENTAL PROBLEM ABOUT HER AND HER 21:40:59 CAMPAIGN. MARK PENN TRIED TO EXPLAIN BY 21:41:02 SAYING IT'S IMPORTANT FOR HER TO KEEP SAYING IT'S THE PRESIDENT'S 21:41:06 MISTAKE. EVERYBODY KNOWS IT'S THE 21:41:07 PRESIDENT'S MISTAKE BUT IT'S ALSO THE MISTAKE OF THOSE 21:41:09 DEMOCRATS WHO VOTES FOR THE WAR, DESPITE ALL OF THE INFORMATION 21:41:12 THEY HAD AVAILABLE TO THEM. AFTER ALL 21 SENATOR DID NOT 21:41:18 VOTE, DEMOCRATIC SENATORS, TO AUTHORIZE THE WAR. 21:41:21 CLEARLY THEY HAD BETTER JUDGMENT THAN WHAT HE WE KNOW NOW. 21:41:24 ONE OF THEM PAUL, RUNNING FOR ALSO, HAD THE GUTS TO VOTE 21:41:31 AGAINST THE ORGANIZATION. >> Larry: DAVID GERGEN, SHE SAID 21:41:34 SHE WASN'T VOTING FOR THE WAR. SHE WAS -- SHE WASN'T VOTING 21:41:37 DIRECTLY TO GO TO WAR. >> WELL, LISTEN, LET'S GIVE 21:41:44 CREDIT TO MRS. CLINTON IN ONE SENSE. 21:41:46 A MONTH AGO IN THAT SAME "USA TODAY" GALLOP POLL SHE WAS AHEAD 21:41:49 OF BARACK OBAMA BY ABOUT 11 POINTS AND NOW SHE OPENED UP A 21:41:54 LEAD OF 19 POINTS. SHE'S DOING SOMETHING RIGHT AND 21:41:56 ONE HAS TO RECOGNIZE THAT UP FRONT. 21:41:58 I DO BELIEVE THAT THE WAY SHE'S ANSWERING THESE IRAQ QUESTIONS 21:42:00 WILL COME BACK TO HAUNT HER WITH THE VOTERS. 21:42:03 WHEN SHE VOTED FOR THE RESOLUTION ON IRAQ, IT WAS 21:42:06 PERFECTLY OBVIOUS TO EVERYBODY, WE ARE ABOUT TO GO TO WAR AND 21:42:10 THIS IS A VOTE TO AUTHORIZE. WHEN YOU START PARSING THAT TOO 21:42:13 MUCH OR QUALIFYING IT TOO MUCH, BEING TOO CUTE WITH IT, I THINK 21:42:16 YOU LOOK LIKE YOU'RE TRYING TO -- YOU'RE IN EFFECT NOT 21:42:20 CLINIC. I THINK WHAT WILL WORK THIS YEAR 21:42:24 AS PETER HART AND OTHERS REMIND US, AUTHENTICITY MATTERS. 21:42:27 I THINK SHE WILL BE BETTER, AS ARIANA SAID, COME RIGHT OUT 21:42:33 SANE, SHE MAD A MISTAKE. LOOK AT THE WAY RUDY GIULIANI 21:42:36 HANDLED THAT. LOOK, WE ALL MAKE MISTAKES. 21:42:38 LEARN FROM THAT AND MOVE ON. SNEADS TO MOVE ON FROM IT. 21:42:41 I THINK TO PLAY GAMES WITH WORDS ON THIS IS A MISTAKE FOR HER IN 21:42:44 THE LONG RUN. IT WILL COME BACK TO HAUPT HER. 21:42:47 >> Larry: AMY HOLMES, BUT MIGHT SHE STILL HAVE THE NOMINATION? 21:42:51 >> SHE MAY. SHE HAS A VERY FORMIDABLE 21:42:53 MACHINE THAT IS ROLLING UP SUPPORT. 21:42:56 SHE HAS TERRY McCALL AS HER CAMPAIGN MANAGER. 21:43:00 THE CLINTONS HAVE BEEN KNOWN AS PRETTY SMOOTH OPERATORS. 21:43:04 BILL CLINTON WON THE ELECTION TWICE. 21:43:05 PART OF THE PROBLEM, THOUGH, SHE ALSO HAS A LONG RECORD OF GIVING 21:43:08 VERY FIERY SPEECHES ABOUT THE THREAT THAT SADDAM POSED AND HER 21:43:12 HUSBAND, FORMER PRESIDENT. HE HIMSELF SAID THAT SADDAM 21:43:15 HUSSEIN WAS PURSUING WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION. 21:43:18 THESE A REAL CONUNDRUM FOR HILLARY CLINTON CONTINUE WILL BE 21:43:22 HARD FOR HER TO RIGHT THAT SQUARE. 21:43:24 >> Larry: MR. ISIKOFF, CAN BARACK OBAMA CLOSE R CLOSE THE 21:43:27 GAP? >> SURE HE CAN. 21:43:29 SHE'S UNTESTED BUT HE'S CLEARLY CREATED A LOT OF EXCITEMENT OUT 21:43:34 THERE. ACTUALLY, THE MOST INTERESTING 21:43:36 DYNAMIC AT THE MOMENT IS EDWARDS. 21:43:39 TOO BAD HE ISN'T HERE YET BUT THE WAY HE'S BEEN ANSWERING, 21:43:42 AFTER SAYING, "I MADE A MISTAKE," WHEN HE'S ASKED TO 21:43:46 EXPLAIN HOW HE CAME TO THAT MISTAKE, HE HAS SAID, WELL, I 21:43:49 WAS LISTENING TO FORMER CLINTON ADMINISTRATION OFFICIALS, 21:43:55 ADVISING ME THAT I SHOULD VOTE FOR THE WAR. 21:43:57 AND THAT'S TRUE. ALMOST ALL OF THE TOP NATIONAL 21:44:00 SECURITY ADVISORS TO PRESIDENT CLINTON WERE SUPPORTIVE OF THE 21:44:05 WAR RESOLUTION. AND THAT'S A BIG REASON WHY 21:44:07 HILLARY CLINTON WAS VOTING FOR IT AS WELL. 21:44:12 SO IT'S IN VERY SUBTLE WAYS, JOHN EDWARDS IS SORT OF TAKING A 21:44:16 SHOT AT THE FORMER CLINTON ADMINISTRATION. 21:44:18 I THINK HILLARY CLINTON IS A LITTLE RELUCTANT TO EMBRACE THAT 21:44:22 FOR OBVIOUS REASONS. >> AND ALSO, IF YOU LOOK AT THE 21:44:28 WAY THE WAR IS GOING TO PLAY IN THE PRIMARY, OBVIOUSLY OBAMA IS 21:44:33 IN THE STRONGEST POSITION. HE'S CONSISTENTLY AGAINST THE 21:44:36 WAR. HIS SPEECH THAT HE GAVE IN 2002 21:44:38 AGAINST THE WAR IS A VERY POWERFUL SPEECH IN WHICH HE SAYS 21:44:42 CLEARLY, "I'M NOT AGAINST ALL WARS. 21:44:44 I'M AGAINST DUMB WARS. AND IRAQ IS A DUMB WAR." 21:44:48 HE CAULKED VERY PRESENTLY ABOUT WHAT WILL HAPPEN, HOW IMPOSSIBLE 21:44:51 IT WAS FOR US TO PREDICT WHAT WOULD HAPPEN ONCE WE INVADED. 21:44:54 IN THAT SENSE HE DOESN'T HAVE TO DO THE KIND OF EXPLAINING THAT 21:44:57 EVEN JOHN EDWARDS HAS TO DO, AS HE HAD TO DO ON "MEET THE 21:45:03 PRESS." TEN TO 15 MINUTES OF TIM RUSSERT 21:45:05 PUTTING UP ON THE SCREEN PREVIOUS STATEMENTS SUPPORTING 21:45:07 THE WAR AND HIM HAVING TO ANSWER THEM. 21:45:09 OBAMA CAN JUMP OVER ALL OF THAT AND CAN COME DIRECTLY TO WHERE 21:45:14 WE ARE TODAY. >> Larry: DOES THE AMERICAN 21:45:15 PUBLIC WANT TO PULL OUT? >> ABSOLUTELY. 21:45:17 THE MAJORITY OF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE WANT TO PULL OUT IN A 21:45:19 RESPONSIBLE WAY. NOT IRRESPONSIBLY WANTS TO PULL 21:45:22 OUT OVERNIGHT. OF COURSE, JOHN EDWARDS HAS 21:45:28 PROPOSED FUNDING AND MAKING IT CLEAR THERE WILL BE NO MILITARY 21:45:30 BASES IN IRAQ. HE'S TAKEN A REAL LEADERSHIP 21:45:33 ROLE THERE. >> Larry: HOLD ON ONE SECOND, 21:45:35 AMY. IT APPEARS SENATOR EDWARDS MAY 21:45:37 NOT BE ABLE TO MAKE IT IN THIS TRAFFIC. 21:45:41 WE SHALL FORGE FORTH. LET'S CHECK IN WITH JOHN 21:45:45 ROBERTS. HE WILL BE HOSTING FOR "ANDERSON 21:45:47 COOPER 360" AT THE TOP OF THE HOUR. 21:45:48 >> SORRY TO HEAR ABOUT JOHN EDWARD NOT MAKING IT. 21:45:51 WE HAVE A LOT TO TALK ABOUT. WEATHER AND ANNA NICOLE SMITH 21:45:54 STORY. AND A LOT OF TALK ABOUT IRAQ AND 21:45:56 TIES TO IRAN. TOE WE KNOW WHAT LED UP TO A 21:45:58 BRIEFING IN BAGHDAD THAT RATCHETED UP THE CASE FOR A RAR 21:46:01 WITH IRAN. EVERYONE FROM THE PRESIDENT ON 21:46:03 DOWN HAS BEEN BACKING AWAY OR ROW STATING WHAT WAS SAID AT 21:46:08 THAT BRIEFING. TODAY WE LEARNED HOW IT CAME TO 21:46:10 HAPPEN AND ONE BRIEFER WASN'T LITTLE TOO FAR BEYOND WHAT HIS 21:46:14 BOSSES WANTED HIM TO SAY. WE WILL LAY THAT OUT FOR YOU 21:46:17 TONIGHT. " 21:46:20 " "360" AT THE TOP OF THE HOUR. 21:46:22 >> Larry: THAT'S "ANDERSON COOPER 360" AT THE TOP OF THE 21:46:26 HOUR. WE WILL BE RIGHT BACK RIGHT 21:46:27 AFTER THIS. >> I WOULD NOT HAVE STARTED THIS 21:46:29 WAR. AND IF IT'S NOT ENDED BY 2009, 21:46:33 IF I'M PRESIDENT, I WILL END IT. >> THE WAR WAS A TERRIBLE 21:46:39 MISTAKE. IT SHOULD NOT HAVE BEEN 21:46:40 AUTHORIZED. >> THE INCREDIBLE INCOMPETENCE 21:46:42 WITH WHAT HAPPENED IN IRAQ. >> ALL OF THE KING'S HORSES, ALL 21:46:46 OF THE KING'S MEN, CANNOT HOLD IRAQ TOGETHER. 21:46:48 >> OUR SOLDERS MUST STAND FOR US IN THE FIELD. 21:46:50 WE MUST STAND FOR US IN THE LEGISLATURE. 21:46:52 >> MORE TROOPS NOT THE ANSWER. . 21:47:00 . E >>> I WOULD GIVE THEM MASS 21:49:36 SUPPORT. I WOULD NOT PULL THEM THE 21:49:38 SUPPORT RIGHT NOW. >> WE CAN ACHIEVE SUCCESS IN 21:49:40 IRAQ. THIS IS NOT JUST AN INCREASE IN 21:49:42 TROOPS. >> OUR WISEST COURSE IS TO SEEK 21:49:44 STABILITY IN IRAQ. >> I THINK WE HAVE GOT TO STAY 21:49:47 IN AND GET THE JOB DONE, BUT WE HAVE GOT TO DO IT TOGETHER. 21:49:50 >> SO WE ARE TRYING TO CHANGE THE WORLD FOR FREEDOM. 21:49:55 >> Larry: DAVID GERGEN, WHAT DO YOU MAKE OF THIS HOUSE VOTE 21:49:58 FRIDAY IN WHICH THEY WILL SAY TO THE PRESIDENT, WE DON'T LIKE 21:50:00 WHAT YOU'RE DOING? >> IT'S A VERY SIGNIFICANT VOTE, 21:50:05 LARRY. THE CONGRESS HAS NOT REGISTERED 21:50:07 ANY REAL PROTESTS AGAINST THE WAR IN FOUR LONG YEARS. 21:50:11 THEY WENT ON THE RECORD, OF COURSE, EARLY ON, ESPECIALLY THE 21:50:14 SENATE VOTE, TO SUPPORT THE WAR AND GIVE THE PRESIDENT THE GREEN 21:50:16 LIGHT. NOW THE HOUSE IS GOING TO BE 21:50:20 FLASHING A STRONG ORANGE LIGHT. "SLOW DOWN, CAUTION, DON'T DO 21:50:24 THIS." NOW, I FOUND VERY STRIKING TODAY 21:50:27 THAT THE PRESIDENT IN HIS PRESS CONFERENCE BASICALLY DISMISSED 21:50:31 THIS. WHO CARES? 21:50:33 A LOT OF KIVTIVES TWO WEEKS AGO SAID THIS WILL BE A TERRIBLE 21:50:36 THING IF YOU VOTE FOR THIS. YOU WILL BE GIVING INCOMING FOR 21:50:41 THE ENEMY AND DEMORALIZING TROOPS. 21:50:43 THE PRESIDENT SAID, THE ONLY THING I CARE ABOUT, WILL THEY 21:50:46 BIND MY HANDS IN TERMS OF MONEY? HE'S IN EFFECT CONCEDED DEFEAT 21:50:49 AND IT REALLY HAS MADE IT A LOT EASIER FOR REPUBLICANS TO GO AND 21:50:52 VOTE FOR IT. WE COULD EASILY SEE ON THE 21:50:56 HOUSE -- IN THE HOUSE VOTE AT LEAST TWO DOZEN REPUBLICANS -- 21:50:59 AND I THINK AFTER THE PRESIDENT CONCEDED DEFEAT TODAY, IT COULD 21:51:03 WELL GO ABOVE THAT. >> Larry: ALE HOLMES, RUDY 21:51:07 GIULIANI SAID THE ONLY THING HE DOESN'T LIKE ABOUT IT IS IT'S 21:51:10 NONBINDING? >> BECAUSE HE WAS POINTING OUT 21:51:13 IF THE DEMOCRATS REALLY DO OPPOSE THIS WAR, THEY OUT TO BE 21:51:16 PASSING BINDING RESOLUTION AND NOT SOMETHING MERELY SYMBOLIC. 21:51:20 BUT I THINK THE DEMOCRATS ARE MAKING A SEVERE MISTE, 21:51:23 ESPECIALLY IF THEY PASS BINDING RESOLUTION TO CUT FUNDING. 21:51:26 FIRST OF ALL "THE WALL STREET JOURNAL" SHOWS THE AMERICAN 21:51:28 PUBLIC DOES NOT WANT TO CUT FUNDS TO THE TROOPS THAT. 21:51:31 WILL MAKE DEMOCRATS VERY VULNERABLE. 21:51:33 SECONDLY, IF THE SURGE WERE TO FAIL, THEY WOULD BE COMPLICIT IN 21:51:36 THAT FAILURE BECAUSE THEY MIGHT HAVE CAPPED TROOPS WHEN EXTRA 21:51:39 TROOPS ARE NEEDED. PETRAEUS SAID THE EXTRA TROOPS 21:51:42 ARE ESSENTIAL OR IF THEY CUT FUNDING, THEY PUT THEMSELVES IN 21:51:44 A POSITION OF HAVING THEIR SO-CALLED WAR STRATEGY FAIL IN 21:51:49 IRAQ. >> Larry: MICHAEL ISIKOFF, WHAT 21:51:51 DO YOU MAKE OF THE CANDIDACY OF AL FRANKEN IN MINNESOTA? 21:51:55 >> I -- I GOT NOTHING FOR YOU ON THAT ONE. 21:51:58 BUT JUST, LOOK, ON THE RESOLUTION, IT'S NONBINDING SO 21:52:03 THE DEMOCRATS ARE NOT CUTTING OFF FUNDING AT THIS STAGE. 21:52:08 AND AMY IS RIGHT, THERE IS A RISK WERE THEY TO DO THAT IF 21:52:13 THEY STARTED TO MOVE IN THAT DIRECTION, THIS COULD COME 21:52:18 IMPLICIT. BUT YOU LOOK AT THE REDICK 21:52:21 COMING OUT FROM DEFENDING THE PRESIDENT, TALKING ABOUT HOW THE 21:52:25 CATASTROPHIC CONSEQUENCES OF A PULLOUT OF IRAQ AND HOW THIS IS 21:52:28 A KEY PART OF THE GLOBAL WAR ON TERROR. 21:52:30 AGAIN, I WANT TO TAKE YOU BACK TO -- LET'S GO BACK TO WHAT IS 21:52:34 THE PICTURE GOING TO LOOK LIKE SIX MONTHS DOWN THE ROAD? 21:52:36 EVERY ONE OF THESE HOUSE MEMBERS IS GOING TO BE UP FOR 21:52:40 RE-ELECTION. IF WE DON'T SEE MEASURABLE SIGNS 21:52:43 OF PROGRESS, THESE GUYS AND WOMEN WILL BE LOOKING AT RUNNING 21:52:46 FOR A WAR THAT IS COMPLETELY LOST THE SUPPORT OF THE AMERICAN 21:52:51 PUBLIC. >> IF YOU LIKE AT CHRIS CHASHGS 21:52:52 IT'S NOT JUST THAT. THEY ARE ALSO TALKING ABOUT IT'S 21:52:56 UNKONS TOOGSAL FOR THE CONGRESS TO BE USURPING THE POWER OF THE 21:52:59 COMMANDER IN CHIEF TO WAGE THIS WAR. 21:53:01 HE WAS GIVEN AUTHORIZATION BY THE UNITED STATES SENATE AND THE 21:53:04 UNITED STATES CONGRESS IN ORDER TO DO THIS. 21:53:06 AND YOU CANNOT HAVE 535 CONGRESSMEN AND SENATORS 21:53:10 MICROMANAGING THIS WAR. >> ACTUALLY, THIS IS ABSOLUTELY 21:53:13 NOT TRUE. AND JOHN EDWARDS IN HIS 21:53:17 ABSENCE -- >> Larry: HE COULDN'T MAKE IT, 21:53:20 BY THE WAY. >> HE WAS VERY ELOQUENT ON THIS 21:53:23 SUBJECT TODAY SAYING THERE'S NO WAY THE CONGRESS HAS ACTUALLY 21:53:26 AUTHORIZED THE CONTINUATION OF WHAT IS HAPPENING NOW, WHICH IS 21:53:30 EFFECTUALLY B REFEREEING A WAR. AT THE PRESS CONFERENCE, THE 21:53:35 PRESIDENT REFUSED TO CALL IT A CIVIL WAR. 21:53:37 AS HE PUT IT VERY QUAINTLY, LIVING IN THIS BEAUTIFUL WHITE 21:53:40 HOUSE, HOW CAN HE POSSIBLY KNOW IF THERE'S A CIVIL WAR? 21:53:43 THE TRUTH IS, IT IS A CIVIL WAR. WAY TOO MANY MILITARY EXPERTS 21:53:47 HAVE CALLED IT A CIVIL WAR. WE SEE THE RESULTS EVERY DAY. 21:53:50 THE FACT IS THE TROOPS ARE THERE REFEREEING A CIVIL WAR. 21:53:53 >> Larry: I HAVE TO GET A BREAK. WHEN I COME BACK, I WANT TO ASK 21:53:57 YOU ABOUT AL FRANKEN. IN YOUR OLD CONSERVATIVE DAYS 21:53:59 YOU DID A GREAT BIT WITH AL FRANKEN. 21:54:02 YOU BOTH WERE IN BED TOGETHER ARGUING. 21:54:03 >> WAIT UNTIL THAT COMES OUT. IT WILL SINK HIS CAMPAIGN! 21:54:07 >> Larry: WAIT UNTIL THAT COMES OUT. 21:54:09 FRANKEN IS DONE. AS WE GO TO BREAK, HERE'S 21:54:12 PRESIDENT BUSH AT THE PRESS CONFERENCE. 21:54:15 >> THERE ARE WEAPONS IN IRAQ THAT ARE HARMING U.S. TROOPS 21:54:17 BECAUSE OF THE KKD FOERZ. AS YOU KNOW THE KUDZ FORCE IS 21:54:30 PART OF THE IRANIAN GOVERNMENT. WHETHER AHMADINEJAD ENFORCED 21:54:33 THIS, WE DON'T KNOW. BUT AS YOU KNOW THEY ARE THERE 21:54:35 AND I INTEND TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT. 21:54:40 T IT GOT US DOING MORE TO PROCT OUR HEALTH... 21:54:42 LI TAKING SILV. [ Announcer ] CENTM SILVER 21:54:43 AGE JUSTED MULTIVITAMI... HAVE KEY ANTIODANTS THAT HELP 21:54:46 SUPPORT NATURAL LL REPAIR. >> Larry: DAVID GERGEN, THE 21:57:16 SCOOTER LIBBY TRIAL IS OVER. THE JURY TAKES IT TOMORROW. 21:57:20 WHY SO FAST? >> WELL, I WAS STUNNED THAT 21:57:25 SCOOTER LIBBY AND DICK CHENEY BOTH DECIDED NOT TO TESTIFY. 21:57:29 THERE'S ONE THEORY THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT THE DEFENSE ATTORNEYS 21:57:33 THINK THEY ALREADY WON THIS. BUT MANY PEOPLE CAME OUT OF 21:57:37 THE -- OF THE PROSECUTION SIDE THINKING THAT THE PROSECUTION 21:57:39 WAS AHEAD IN THIS CASE AND THE SCOOTER LIBBY DEFENSE HAS NOT 21:57:43 BEEN SUFFICIENT. SO IT -- GUESS THEY ARE AVOIDING 21:57:47 POTENTIAL EMBARRASSMENT BUT IT'S NORMALLY THE CASE IF YOU DON'T 21:57:50 PUT YOUR GUY UP THERE ON THE DEFENSE SIDE, YOU GIVE AN AWFUL 21:57:54 LOT TO THE OTHER SIDE. IT MAKES IT MUCH TOUGHER TO WIN 21:57:57 THE CASE. >> Larry: MICHAEL, WHAT IS THE 21:58:00 PRESIDENT, IF ANYTHING, DO ABOUT IRAN? 21:58:02 >> IRAN? YOU KNOW, I THINK THE PRESS 21:58:07 CONFERENCE TODAY WAS VERY REVEALING. 21:58:10 HE WAS FACED WITH THIS CONTRADICTION, WHICH HE HAD TO 21:58:14 ACKNOWLEDGE, THAT WHILE THERE IS THIS EVIDENCE OF IRANIAN 21:58:18 COMPONENTS BEING -- SHOWING UP IN IRAQ, PARTICULARLY THESE -- 21:58:22 THE IMPROVISED EXPLOSIVE DEVICES THAT SEEM TO BE MADE IN IRAN, NO 21:58:26 LEAR EVIDENTIARY TRAIL ON WHETHER THIS IS ORDERED FROM 21:58:30 OFFICIALS OF THE IRANIAN GOVERNMENT, AND IF SO, HOW HIGH 21:58:33 IN THE IRANIAN GOVERNMENT? THAT WAS GENERAL PACE, THE JOINT 21:58:39 CHIEFS, MADE THOSE COMMENTS TODAY AND KIND OF UNDERCUT THE 21:58:42 WHOLE THURSDAY THE OF ADMINISTRATION RHETORIC OVER THE 21:58:46 LAST FEW WEEKS. AND IT JUST LEAVES WHITE OPEN 21:58:48 WHAT THE POLICY IMPLICATIONS OF THIS ARE. 21:58:51 I THINK A LOT OF SKEPTICS AT THIS POINT SEE THE EMPHASIS ON 21:58:56 IRAN AS, AS MUCH A DIVERSION AS ANYTHING ELSE. 21:59:04 i think that a lot of skeptics at this point see the emphasis on Iran as, as much diversionary for political reasons as they do anything else. KING: Amy, what do you make of all of these early debates? HOLMES: I think that they're an opportunity for the American public to see these candidates, but unfortunately, it allows those candidates who are well funded, who have high name I.D., to be able to race out ahead of what they call second and third tier candidates in the Republican Party. That would be Mike Huckabee, for example. So in that -- in that case, then it's not a great -- a great system for being able to see who all of these people are who want to be president of the United States. KING: And we've only got 20 seconds. Are you going to go run home and blog this? HUFFINGTON: Yes, and in fact, the Huffington Post, in partnership with YouTube, are going to put on the first online presidential debate and we're going to get video questions from all around the country, especially young people. KING: An online video debate? HUFFINGTON: Online debate in real time. KING: Thank you all very much. Michael Isikoff, David Gergen, Arianna Huffington, and Amy Holmes. It is Valentine's Day. We don't often get personal on this show, but I want to take a moment and wish a very happy Valentine's to my lovely wife, Shawn, who is not only a great gal and a terrific wife but a partner in life and in love. Much kisses, much happiness. You deserve it. Happy Valentine's Day to the wife. And to all of you with all of yours as well. We now turn it over -- I'm sure he has the same sentiments -- to John Roberts, who will sit in for Anderson Cooper and host "AC 360" -- John. ROBERTS: Hey, Larry, thanks very much. And yes, happy Valentine's Day to my wife and everyone else out there who's celebrating this day.