SENATE-KATRINA / FEMA HEARING
00:00:00:00 BITES: 

LIEBERMAN/DYSFUNCTIONAL FEMA CITIES TRT: 28 OC: EXTREMELY DIFFICULT PROBLEM
9:15:55 Many local officials have told the committee and our staff that they fear a proliferation of dysfunctional FEMA cities across the Gulf Coast region where evacuees will have little access to jobs, schools, health care, public transportation, or other services helping hundreds of thousands of evacuees who cannot return home find suitable housing is clearly an extremely difficult problem.

LIEBERMAN/INVITING ABUSE TRT: 36 OC: GUARD AGAINST IT
9:17:38 I'm pleased to see that the administration has in fact decided to limit the government's use of a statuatory provision that it had originally asked to be changed. That provision had increased to $250,000 the amount that federal employees could charge to government credit cards for Katrina-related purchases. Similar use of much smaller authority was ciriticized in the previous auditing reports. To raise it to a quarter of a million dollars was inviting abuse at a time when we really need to take steps to guard against it. 

PAULISON/YEARS TO RECOVER TRT: 30 OC: ALONG THE WAY
9:36:54 We must work with our state and local partners to develop opportunities that will facilitate the return and provide help to those who choose to do so. Over time and with encouragement, the good people of the Gulf Coast will return and make the region better, safer, and less vunerable to disaster if disaster strikes again. These states have suffered tremendously, and speaking from experience it will take years to really recover, and there will be countless hurdles along the way. 

COBURN/RIDICULOUS TRT: 29 OC: THIS MUCH MONEY
9:54:17 We also had several Oklahomans that went down, EMTs that went down, for dispatching. And they were paid as dispatchers. One spent one weekend down there and you all paid him $5,400 to work 48 hours to dispatch care from Texas into the area. He called me, because his question was, "This is ridiculous that I'm getting paid this much money." 

PAULISON/EXPEDIENCY TRT: 25 OC: FOR FUTURE USE
10:06:30 I've been in public service a long time and I've never been a fan of no-bid contracts. Sometimes you have to do them because of the expediency of getting things done. And I can assure you that we are going to look at all of those contracts very carefully, and hopefully we can put things in place for the future where we will not have to depend upon no-bid contracts for future use. 

PAULISON/NO BID CONTRACTS [short] TRT: 15 OC: BEEN DONE SOONER [quick out]
PAULISON/NO BID CONTRACTS [long] TRT: 26 OC: AFTER ACTION REPORTS
10:08:07 All of those no-bid contracts, we are going to go back and re-bid. We are in the process of re-bidding them already. [Lieberman: So you've started that already?] Yes sir, we are going to re-bid all of those no-bid contracts, and they were in the process of starting to do that, and maybe they should have been done sooner. [ :15] That's one of those things that your committee will research and we will do also internally, for our lessons learned and after action reports. 

DAYTON/ALONE HERE TRT: 26 OC: THOSE ANSWERS TODAY
10:16:04 I noticed that you're pretty much alone here at the table; echoing what President Kennedy once said, that success has a thousand fathers but failure is an orphan.And if your counterparts in other agencies and your peers would spend as much time before this committee as they do on the Sunday talk shows, we'd be much better informed and we would have answers and the American people would have answers. And I thank you for providing some of those answers today. 

COLLINS/ICE TRUCKS [short] TRT: 36 OC: HARD TO UNDERSTAND
10:28:35 that means that we still have 150 truckloads of ice purchased to assist the Hurricane Katrina victims sitting in cold storage in Portland, Maine. And I'm also told that it costs $800 a day to haul this ice around the country. None of this ice started in the state of Maine, it was just routed there 1600 miles away from the victims. This is just really hard to understand, 

COLLINS/ICE TRUCKS [long] TRT: 1:21 OC: THEIR OWN BACKYARD
10:28:10 Just this morning, we were told actually there were not 30 trucks, there were 250 trucks that were routed to the state of Maine, and of those, about 100 have been dispatched. Now if those latest figures are correct, and they sound much more like what I observed and what my constituents have told me about, that means that we still have 150 truckloads of ice purchased to assist the Hurricane Katrina victims sitting in cold storage in Portland, Maine. And I'm also told that it costs $800 a day to haul this ice around the country. None of this ice started in the state of Maine, it was just routed there 1600 miles away from the victims. This is just really hard to understand, and again -- it erodes public confidence in the federal government's management, and I also think it erodes public support for additional appropriations ot help the victims when the public sees this kind of waste in their own backyard. 

PAULISON/POLITICAL APPOINTEES TRT: 16 OC: DOING THE JOB
10:52:09 I fully support the fact that those types of positions should be political appointees. They have to carry out the president's policies and guidelines. However, I do feel that the person has to have the capability of doing the job. (0:00) / 09:01:54:19 COLLINS 
09:01:48 this morning the committee holds its third hearing into the govt?s response to hurricane Katrina. Our focus today will be on the recovery efforts being directed by the Federal Emergency Management Agency. Our purpose is to identify the roadblocks inflexible policies, outdated laws, and wasteful practices that impede the prompt and compassionate delivery of needed assistance 

LIEBERMAN 
9:11:59 neither nature nor history will give us a vacation, a break.. 
have to do work we know we need to do, do it quickly 
9:12:16 last week at hearing... heard from official whose communities opened arms to evacuees
9:12:30 investigation of our staff- critical gaps in recovery effort
9:12:40 fema trouble just getting services to many of storm victims
9:12:49 too many hard hit communities... disaster recovery centers not been established
9:13:05 katrina alone affected some 90k square miles of gulf coast, hundreds of local jurisdictions 
9:13:53 our staff asked cong relations office at fema - were told to looki at fema website - not an adequate response
9:14:10 fema not communicated effectively 
9:14:22 who is in charge of urgent matters for housing of evacuees... complaints officials not in loop to participate in the decisions
9:14:43 most significant need fema must address is housing for thousands of evacuees who need it
9:14:58 glad fema and red cross extending program paying for 438k evacuees.... 
9:15:29 well over a billion dollars... exact number our staff not been able to determine... 
9:15:44 how much fema has spent on housing... what happened to trailers and mobile homes contracted
9:15:58 many officials told committee they fear proliferation of dysfunctional fema cities across gulf coast ****** 
9:16:15 hundreds of thousands of evacuees who cannot return home.. diff problem
9:16:27 dont minimize it... need to hear today how fema and admin plan to solve this problem 
9:16:39 like other members - fema handling of no-bid contracts has created opportunities for waste fraud and abuse
9:16:54 companies with questionable contract practices awarded multimillion dollar contracts...
9:17:08 does not have sufficient contract officers to prevent abuses 
9:17:18 need to make sure funds spent effectively... beginning to constrict willingness of congress to appropriate more money, recovery in rebuilding
9:17:39 pleased to see admin decided to limit statutes of provision... changed to increase to 250k the amount govt employees could charge to credit cards for Katrina purchases
9:18:11 raising it to quarter million dollars inviting abuse at time we need to guard against it **** 
9:18:28 talk with you about the oversight of the immediate response and relief... of the recovery and rebuilding process
9:18:48 adm allen in charge of immediate relief of Katrina response
9:18:57 under existing statute, fema role pivotal.. natl response program - fema in charge of its own programs
9:19:14 also fed coordinator for long term response.. hud, sba, agriculture, treasury 
9:19:29 disaster without precedent in our history 
9:19:35 a successful recovery from disaster compounded by addtl responsibilities to fema from rita beyond fema's capacities ****** 
9:19:59 many looking for answer how to best provide reconstruction to gulf
9:20:10 too much to ask of fema to do this... 
9:20:26 thank chief paulison for taking time
9:20:35 distinguished record in firefighting, firefighting admin.. this is tough situation, will demand your best
thank you for coming to answer questions... 

LAUTENBERG
9:21:05 prohibited from giving opening statements? thought we'd have same privileges of chair and ranking mmember? 

COLLINS
9:21:35 clear to all members that at start of this series of hearings every member would be given opp to make opening statements
9:21:53 subsequent heairngs - chairman and ranking member alone would give
9:22:04 every member welcome to give opening statemenets.. . opening statements included in record for all members

LIEBERMAN
9:22:24 agred by both of us 
9:22:34 part of it... want to get to the witness.. longer time for individual questioning 

9:23:04 raises probablitiy that its right

COLLINS
9:23:10 turn to witness.. david paulison
9:23:15 3 wks ago, took over as acting undersecty of emerg preparedness and acting director of fema
9:23:30 served as admin at us fire administrations... began career as firefighter, rose through ranks to chief of miami dade fd
9:23:50 appreciate him jkoining us this morning
9:23:55 make clear to those watching hearing... paulison only on job for 3 weeks time... 
9:24:10 problems, criticisms of today were not on his watch... you're the one in charge right now
9:24:26 work ith us to address serious problems

PAULISON
9:24:37 appreciate opp to come before you.. understand charge we have
9:24:46 only been here 3 weeks.. .will work with committee to look at all avenues how to make this better system
9:24:59 asked by pres and chertoff to take over.. didnt hesitate to lead dedicated men and women
9:25:12 astounding effort i've seen by employees of fema... some of finest people in fed govt
9:25:29 continue to learn from this catastrophic event... look forw to working with you in coming months
9:25:47 relief effort - occupying all our time
9:25:55 provide brief report on ongoing operaitons... long and eventuall ychallenging.. 
9:26:07 families separated, lives turned upside dfown... 
9:26:16 fema, fed partners, governors, mayors, parish and county officials, industry, parners.. have great deal of work ahead
9:26:34 will reuqire team effort from all.. going to be united, not divided in effort
9:26:46 believe wwercan get the job done
9:26:51 fema registered over 2 million victims
9:27:00 provide hhousing assistance
9:27:05 84 disaster recovery centers... at ne point over 300k katrina evacuees sheltered throughout 40 states
9:27:23 rita added to shelter population.. today fewer than 60k in shelters.. goal to get peopl eout of shelters by middle of month 
9:27:46 impact on effected communities and states... central role, detemrining the nature
9:27:59 will support and supplement state and local efforts... commitment from me personally. 
9:28:16 LA, MS, TX, AL... hundreds of thousands of homes damaged in one of america's largest disasters
9:28:31 need for short, midterm housing for 400-600k households
9:28:42 many of the displaced found temp accomodations.. they too require assistance to get back on their feet
9:28:59 committed to help citizens of gulf coast.. 
9:29:08 recovery strategy based on single premise... help a slong as local infrastructure can withhold them
9:29:26 provide assistance directly to individuals.. take ownership for themselves... 
9:29:38 each eligible famiy can receive temp housing for 18 months.. 
9:30:34 housing stocks strained ot limit.. recognize urgent situation
9:30:44 reimburse states for shelter costs throguh our pub asst program
9:30:54 repair damaged schools, rebuild those destroye.d.. . 
9:31:05 temp classrooms in those schools... 
9:31:15 transport students to schools... 
9:31:23 third way to help rebuild gulf.. .
9:31:32 fema public assistance program... states will pay a portion of these efforts as well 
9:31:46 through mitigation grants, sba loans, private sector
9:31:54 recovery process - - assist state local ogvts to rebuild.. .
9:32:09 recovery process for katrina will be neither fast nor easy 
9:32:20 sept 23rd 2005, fed govt announced comp housing assistance programsfor families affected by katrina
9:32:36 methods to provide transitional housing assistance.. provide aevacueess with flexibility, choice. . 
9:32:53 expedite aid for immediate housing needs
9:33:02 fema accelerating... 
9:33:09 reduce up front paperwork... receive payment of 2358 dollars to cover 3 months of housing rents
9:33:27 hud wil lprovid specialized housing assistane for these evacuees
9:33:38 comparable beenfits under hud katrina disaster program
9:34:06 many asking how fed contracting process works, concerned baout the costs
9:34:16 how that can match resources with extraordinary demands... 
9:34:34 can assure you we are enforcing fed procurement regulations
9:34:43 perform necessary work, reimburse their costs... emergency areas 
9:34:55 fema issued assignment to army corps of engineers... require services and supplies fo rocntracting process
9:35:16 local officials... 
9:35:24 last week, dhs placed on website a list of companies with whom fema has contracts with 
9:35:38 businesses in consittutent states who want biz opportunities go to dhs website for opportunities to get into system
9:35:57 much will be in form of grants
9:36:48 governments cannot compel any citizen to move back to disaster affected region 
9:37:00 provide help to those who choose to do so... over time, ppl of gulf coast will return to the region 
9:37:16 spekaing from exp, will take years to recover **** countless hurdles along way
9:37:28 spirit remains vibrant and strong, all of us committeed to restoration
9:37:39 help rebuild lives, get to some type of normalcy to their lives
happy to answer questions

COLLINS
9:37:56 warner needs to leave to chair committee hearing

WARNER
9:38:08 drawing attn to something... laid off number of city workers who could be productive
9:38:26 sheriff has problems paying funds to individuals
9:38:34 is that in your jurisdiction? 

PAULISON 
9:38:45 signif issue for NO, sev other communities
9:38:51 under stafford act, have ability to loan up to 25 percent of taxable revenue in particular community
9:39:06 capped at 5 million dollars, not sure it would have impact on city size of NO 

WARNER
9:39:27 other agency in govt? 

PAULISON 
9:39:34 not aware of any that allows us to give benefits, salaries
 9:39:45 not allowed to 

WARNER
9:39:49 our staff and others need to direct attn. to this 

LIEBERMAN
9:40:02 just heard you say.. fema can only compensate for overtime work 
because they've had tax based constituents decimated? 

PAULISON
9:40:29 dont have revenues for day to day operations
9:40:35 that is an issue.. except for 5 million dolalras allowed statuatorilyh.. rest is outside our purview
9:40:55 up to 25 percent.. .cong put a cap on it many yrs ago.. helps smaller cities, wouldnt have impact on bigger cities

WARNER
9:41:22 bill on floor.. amendment to solve this issue

COLLINS
9:41:32 one of complaints from beginning - difficult for victims of katrina to register for benefits
9:41:44 told to clal busy 1800 number... call in middle of night
9:41:54 told to go to website.. now hearing from colelagues hurricane victims turned away when they tried to register for benefits
9:42:12 at disaster recovery centers
9:42:18 looked on fema website - said hurricane victims could not go to disaster recovery centers to register for assistance
9:42:36 talked with officials... said it makes no sense to have centers and not allow ppl to register for assistance
9:42:55 to fema's credit - website was corrected policy was changed.. can go to logical place to register for assistance
9:43:13 perplexed why fema wouldnt allow individuals to discuss in the first place **** 
touted as one stop center

PAULISON 
9:43:36 they can go to centers, use our telephoness or computers to register
9:43:50 amount of ppl for aktirna exceeds anything fema ever done
9:44:00 over 12k ppl answeriung hones during height of katrina response
9:44:10 had to ramp up quickly ... thank the irs.. their call center loaned to us
9:44:21 got 5k ppl immediately
9:44:26 correct.. disaster recovery center is place people should be able to register... 
will continue to do so in the future. 

LEVIN 
9:45:17 last hearing, asked witnesses about missing children
9:45:24 few thousand unaccounted for
9:45:29 children in shelters or homes still separated from family member
do you know how many children? 

PAULSION
9:45:43 dont know how many,.. working to bring families back together
9:45:53 we are goiung into shelters... have about 57k left in shelters.. get those into housing
9:46:09 start our casework.. . 

LEVIN 
9:46:16 need a common intake form in natl database
9:46:25 trying to get this from red cross, natl ctr for missing kids
9:46:34 incredible not a single database... ppl with control of missing children.. 
9:46:45 not identifying those children.,.. 
9:46:54 find that utterly incredible - no one database for those children to be registered
9:47:08 hope fema would take charge of this issue
9:47:15 of all horror stories.. at the moment with the other problems 
9:47:24 this has got to be number one
9:47:28 also have a law... local ppl who are supposed to be used for reconstruction under stafford
9:47:40 we have story about lcoal workers being displaced by workers from other states who work for less wages
9:47:58 75 skilled electricians at air station in LA.. devastated by hurricane.. had job to repair electrical problems on base
9:48:23 then, operation shifted to KBR/halliburton... subletted to contractor withoutt state offices.. bering electricians from out of state
are you familiar with it? 

PAULISON
9:48:56 72 percent of dollars in first 3 weeks after katrina... went to small businesses
9:49:11 40 percent of subcontracts have to be awarded to small businesses
9:49:26 have to get back to you on that particular contract

LEVIN
9:49:34 maintenance workers at superdome... had job, being paid $15/hr plus benefits
9:49:50 suddenly clean up handled by out of state workers.. $12/hr no benefits
9:50:02 do you know about that problem? 

PAULISON
9:50:08 working to get contracts to workers
9:50:14 look at these contracts 

LEVIN
9:50:25 portable classrooms...
9:50:29 company that supppied port classrooms in schools in MS for 2 decades
9:50:44 offered to sell for 20 million dollars
9:50:53 instead of taking offer, went with company called akima.. no instate presence
no expereicne.. twice as much paid
9:51:17 no bid contract issued to crony.. company with those crony contracts before
9:51:28 of all things - we need to have local ppl working.. contracts bid for
9:51:38 if this contracting process is not used properlyu.. dubious contractors used 
9:51:52 find there is loss of support for cong efforts to see if we cant help folks recover from disaster
9:52:09 look into it... missing kids - number one priority t bring families together

PAULSION
9:52:30 classrooms.. .army corps of engineers
 
COBURN
9:52:47 proud of couragei n position you're holding.. in the hot seat
9:52:56 job to ensure responses to indiv need... some of what we do monday morning arm chair quarterbacking... 
9:53:11 sev ppl from oklahoma working.. natl guardsmen told to leave charity hospital 
9:53:27 only damage was flooding of basement.. news they're going to condemn hospital.. have plans to replace prior to this
9:53:46 question in my mind and your job.. if structurally damaged.. . part and parcel to replace
9:54:28 dis-patchers spend one weekend... 5400 dollars to work 48 hrs to dispatch care from tx
9:54:43 he called me.. ridiculous i'm getting paid this much money ****** 
9:54:57 contracts affecting righs... money from contractors pays more than getting from rigs
9:55:13 outline process you all go through to make decisions you make

PAULISON
9:55:25 appreciate info from charity 
9:57:25 after action report, lessons learned... 
9:57:37 lessons we learned from this... not going to get defensive... 
t staste local and fed govt... this wasnt going to hapepns qgain.. . oif we had hurricaner.. wouldnt have appened
9:58:07 andrew pales to what happeneing in this particular storm 
9:58:15 wrongdoign - fix it.. .if something wrong with policies, we fix it 

COBURN 
9:58:26 another quesiton... 
9:58:40 problem you made contract.. .2 problems with it.. 
9:58:51 net revenue... according to own reports... 
9:59:02 contract fo r6 months, quarter of a billion dollars... 

PAULSION
9:59:18 cruise ships essential to public housing issue
9:59:28 FL last yr, 4 hurricanes
9:59:33 housed more ppl in history of fema... 15-20k ppl 
9:59:42 now have to house 600k ppl.. cruise ships big piece of that
9:59:52 ships, apartments, motels, trailer homes... now serving signif needs for us
10:00:08 as of toay almost completely full 
10:00:16 30-60 day time frames.. almost completely full 
10:00:26 cost per day per person 168 dollars
10:00:33 fed per diem close to 200 dollars/day
10:00:40 becoming cost effective to do that... 
10:00:47 no bid contracts.. .weigh abilitity to do that.. 

COBURN 
10:01:02 put in for record.. cost for this comes to 70 grand. . come close tobuy nice home in tusla oklahoma
10:01:18 look at costs better... 

LIEBERMAN 
10:01:30 this cmte involved in investigation in preparation and response... focus on relief and recovery part of it
10:01:49 work with fema on this.. . 
10:01:54 we have heard initial reports that dhs and fema may have instructed personnel not to speak with cmte investigators
without permission or presence of ppl from above
10:02:18 work on some after action reports halted becuase document requests in possession of the cmte
10:02:34 ____ act prohibit fed agency personnel from providing info to congress.. whistleblower act protects employees for disclosing waste , fraud, abuse
10:03:04 produce documents and witnesses in timely matter... 

PAULISON 
10:03:18 look forw to workin with cmte... cooperate 100 percent
10:03:26 find out what did not work befor enext disaster
10:03:35 not heard any of issues you said... going to have cooperation and personal committment to do that

LIEBERMAN
10:03:52 as far as you now, neither you or dhs issued instructions re cooperation with investiga`iton

PAULSION
10:04:08 no.. .have not 
10:04:20 has to be a s open as can be.. learn lessons, do investigation from all angles

LIEBERMAN
10:04:33 not into blame game.,.. want to see who performed and who didnt
10:04:44 focus on who wants ot make it better
10:05:23 forces us to look generally at fema.. .in some ways disaster will highlight what fewma is
10:05:39 couple of thousand ppl on standby.. have a disaster like this, enormous responsibiltiies thrust on you 
10:05:56 on e of hhings to ask.. do we want to reform, transform fema 
10:06:06 ask you some general questions that may highlight this... 
10:06:16 when will fema reduce reliance on no bid contracts, eturn to contractnig procedures 

PAULISON
10:06:34 never been fan of no bid contracts
10:06:39 sometimes have to do them because of expedience of getting things done
10:06:50 put things ionto place in the future

LIEBERMAN
10:06:58 one of problems i heard that led to no bid contracts.. did not havee contracts in place before stomr
10:07:14 kind of needs.. nobody anticipated hurricane like katrina
10:07:23 dhs procurement officer should have had in place more of contracts
10:07:34 acting director been there 3 weeks... 
10:07:46 indefinite delivery... would have been bid contracts at competiive prices


PAULISON
10:08:04 were in proces s of bidding contracts
10:08:10 all no bid contractrs, going to rebid ****** 
10:08:19 in process of starting to do that.. one of things your committee will research.. for lessons learned and after action reports
10:08:40 looks with hindsight fema in better position if contracts in place bid as standby contracts... instead of no bids

COLEMAN 
10:09:21 have oversight responsibilities.. want ot make sure system works
10:09:32 ppl need to be housed.. spend quarter of a biullion dollars on cruise ships.. . 10:09:44 step forw into line of fire.. 
10:09:50 we'll elarn from this and do.. . 
10:09:55 in terms of ability to deal with payrolls.. 5 million dollar cap 
10:10:04 pay for salary.. is that loan local govts want to use
10:10:13 fix statuatory cap under these circumstances
10:10:22 change that cap? 

PAULISON
correct

COLEMAN
10:10:30 colelague from ct.. .no bid contracts
10:10:36 concern... 
10:11:08 report they didnt have enough ____... 

PAULSION
10:11:16 been shortage of blue tarps 
10:11:23 there is sea of blue roofs out there.. .tarps coming in as fast as we can use them 
10:11:44 get numbers we needed to do our job... 

COLEMAN
10:12:04 competitive bidding.. allow fema to move quickly 

PAULISON 
10:12:15 should have contracts ahead of time for items we need like blue tarps

COLEMAN
10:12:30 competitive mix in there to get best price
10:12:37 talk about housing going beyond cruise lines
10:12:46 who has responsibility for housing needs - what agency 

PAULISON 
10:12:59 fema... ppl at shelters... 
10:13:04 need to get decent living quarters.. . 
10:13:12 all of that plays a piece getting ninto decent housing
10:13:20 want them near where they can have jobs.. . whatour process is right now

10:13:35 the max a person can receive with all benefits is $26k... 
destroyed home - $10k... add damage, rendtal, medical bills.. adds up to $26k 

COLEMAN
10:14:07 inst lot of be go thtere

PAULISON
10:14:15 if person doesnt have iunsureance, significant gap... 

10:14:31 big issue... what we dont want to do is what we did in FL - create huge mobile home park
10:14:44 limit size to 200.. .if need for more than that, coord officers have to come back to me... 
10:14:57 our real focus going to be travel trailers in people's driveways.. 
10:15:15 had pads..

COLEMAN
10:15:31 ppl close to home... 

PAULISON
10:15:42 dont want to live there forever
short term.. perfect for a family... 

DAYTON 
10:16:00 first admin official with responsibility for disaster
10:16:09 alone here at table.. pres kennedy said.. success has 1000 fathers, failure is an orphan
10:16:21 if colleagues spent time before cmte than on sunday talk shows, we would have answers 
10:16:40 term emergency mgmt is an oxymoron ***** just the very nature of what we're looking for
10:16:57 hear in questions toda.. situation demands swift response... 
10:17:07 thousands of pages of laws... justificaiton... 
10:17:18 my exp up in minnestoa in 2002... fllood had same effect on that city... 
10:17:33 ppl from wash state.. .fema agency staff very dedidcated, ahrd working, on the spot
10:17:45 they were shackled.. couldnt give immediate responses
10:17:55 commanders on battlefield sdisapnese funds.. . do things immed necessary
10:18:09 indiv citizens in state of shock, despair.. needed answers about wht kind of assistnace
10:18:2210:18:22 comend chairman for pointing out.. 00 number.. didn tknow where to go, form to fill out
10:18:35 answer always no, no... 
10:18:39 i think reason we need to have hearings now.. warner offered today... 
10:18:51 sit on sidelines, wait until this over
10:19:01 roll up sleeves, improve response... got to be engaged and invovled
10:19:12 figure out whwat we need to do.. take off shackles
10:19:24 if we send ppl down there... normal contracting procedures take weeks or months... dont kow if you can address thqat in time i have shouldnt be

PAULISON
10:19:49 philosophy to push authority for decision making to lowest level
10:20:00 ppl in field should have authority to make decisions... that how we're goin t orun fema
10:20:13 we should be able to thave enough knowledfge on scene for anybody to come to fema.. procurmenet, ig, general counsel 

DAYTON
10:20:42 what about small business owner, biz destroyed, wants $100k loan 

PAULISON 
10:20:57 ppl there now... doing everything we can.. 
10:21:04 should be able to get right answer.. . 
10:21:10 hoeowner whose home destoryed.. how much money avail.. grant beginning to refurbish... 
10:21:31 that why we have field offices
10:21:36 making it easier to do that... based on colins comment what we were not doing... 


DAYTON 
10:21:56 other issue - centralized focus of one entity or person in charge
10:22:08 fed agencies interlocking, overlapping... cant have swift response if we do it
by committee or consensus
10:22:27 see now - private airplanes flying into airspace... 6 diff agencies all claiming jurisdiction and authority 
10:22:47 b ythe time they decide, puot lost license and 

COLLINS
10:23:01 stafford act requires fema to give preference to extent feasible... 
10:23:29 staff took look at contract fema issued for manufactured housing contractor.. require response in 24 hours
10:23:52 issued no bid contract to company outside gulf coast region 
10:24:03 never received any communication from fema during this process
10:24:13 troubles me.. inconsistent with letter and spirit of stafford act
10:24:25 breed resentment toward fema
10:24:30 you didnt make this decision - what will you do to ensure local resources able to bid on fema contracts that affect their region 

PAULISON 
10:24:55 believe we should be giving as many contreacts as we can... 
10:25:05 work with governor of mississippi... moving along in that direction
10:25:17 is a band aid fix.. my philosophy is to make sure... 
10:25:25 when we do big contracts.. havr to use certain number of small business or local vendors.. have to enforce that
10:25:43 told they have to use local vendors exclusively if possible
10:25:54 putitng stuff in place to make sure we can do this
10:26:01 the more jobs you can create at local level, the quiciker s community going ot recover

COLLINS
10:26:19 were local vendors avail to meet need... contract awaded without competition 
10:26:33 want to talk with you about the ice example i brought up severals times... 
10:26:43 the reason is while our first gosal is to make sure we serve basic needs o fthe victims... have serious responsibility 
10:27:05 doing so prudently... wrote to you ssking why fed govt .. haul truckloads full of ice all over country approx 1 wk ago
10:27:29 told by your office.. 30 trucks routed to maine, of those 20 dispatched to asisst rita victims
10:27:46 seemed odd to me.. was in my state.. constitutent showed me trucked lined up in parking lot.. runnning 24 hrs day, to keep refrigeration running
10:28:10 more than 03 trucks
10:28:14 told there were 250 trucks routed to maine.. of those 100 dispatched.. if those latest figures correct
10:28:34 that means we have 150 truckloads of ice purchased to asssist katrina vicitms sitting in cold storage in portland maine
10:28:56 costs $800/day to haul this ice around the country.. was routed there, 1600 miles away from the vicitms
10:29:12 this is hard to understand.. erodes public confidence in fed govt management **** 
10:29:26 erodes pub support for addtl approrpiations for victims when pub sees this waste in their backyard

PAULISON 
10:30:43 until we get through hurricne system, not going to get rid of ice, going to keep it
10:30:55 what is policy on ice - is it essential commodity 
10:31:03 shgould be, but dont want to make that jdugment without seriously looking at it. (89:24) /