AP-APTN-2330: Spain Arrests Tuesday, 15 June 2010 STORY:Spain Arrests- REPLAY Police arrest suspects of international crime gang LENGTH: 02:06 FIRST RUN: 1330 RESTRICTIONS: AP Clients Only TYPE: Natsound/Mute SOURCE: POLICE HANDOUT STORY NUMBER: 802205 DATELINE: Valencia - 15 June 2010 LENGTH: 02:06 Police Handout - AP Clients Only SHOTLIST 1. Spanish police enter courtyard of house and then storm it ++MUTE++ 2. Police officers lead handcuffed man to chair where he sits down 3. Police officer examines documents on table 4. Police officer counts money 5. Handcuffed man stands with shirt over hand, police officer stands next to him in safety vest 6. Various of tools, equipment on workbench and floor of credit card cloning laboratory 7. Police officer looks through credit card blanks on floor 8. Various of police officer examining credit card reader machines 9. Close-up of credit card machine 10. Police officer holds objects found in raided laboratory 11. Blank credit cards on table 12. Police officer holds stack of blank cards 13. Close-up of credit card copying machine 14. Police officer holds parts from bank machine 15. Pan of table with items seized in raid, including money, cards, passports and drugs 16. Close-up of table with items seized in raid STORYLINE The Spanish Interior Ministry said Tuesday that police have arrested 178 people in 12 countries suspected of being part of an international crime gang with a large base in Spain. The ministry said raids also took place in France, Italy, Germany, Ireland, Romania, Australia, Sweden, Greece, Finland, Hungary and the United States, where eight of the suspects were arrested. Police found 11 laboratories for falsifying credit cards during their 84 raids. It said in a statement that a two-year investigation found the organisation was involved in credit card fraud, robbery with violence, extortion, sexual exploitation and money laundering. It is believed to have made more than 20 (m) million euros (24.5 (m) million US dollars) from illegal activities. Clients are reminded: (i) to check the terms of their licence agreements for use of content outside news programming and that further advice and assistance can be obtained from the AP Archive on: Tel +44 (0) 20 7482 7482 Email: infoaparchive.com (ii) they should check with the applicable collecting society in their Territory regarding the clearance of any sound recording or performance included within the AP Television News service (iii) they have editorial responsibility for the use of all and any content included within the AP Television News service and for libel, privacy, compliance and third party rights applicable to their Territory. APTN APEX 06-15-10 1937EDT

Perhaps you have heard complaints about the new credit and debit cards with a chip in them. The owner of Gold Medal Market & Deli in Minneapolis hears them every day."Come on, Edward! We've got only half an hour," owner Edward Elias answered when asked what he hears from customers. "We need to take our food and go back to work."He isn't the only one noticing some unexpected problems with chip card readers.Guy Berg is now a vice president at the Federal Reserve Bank of Minneapolis. Before that, he worked for Mastercard and specialized in implementing the new chip cards. To an extent, Berg says they are working. Remember, the whole point of the chip cards is to combat fraud."Counterfeit fraud has been one of the fastest growing frauds globally, and it needed to be stopped," Berg explained.But change is hard.Berg pointed to two issues in particular. One, he said the credit card industry hoped more businesses would be using the new chip-reading terminals by now. Two, this is the one you may have noticed, they're slow.So how much longer do the new terminals take? According to a Mastercard study, which Berg participated in before joining the Fed, the difference is about 12 to 15 seconds, which can be very significant depending on the business."You add a second or two seconds to the transaction time," Berg said, "the stores are contacting their management, 'What can we do about this time?'"The good news is changes are in the works. Some credit card companies have already rolled out faster cards. Also, starting as early as 2017, Berg said we can expect contact-less terminals. He said they are as fast as the old ones that read magnetic strips, but they are more secure.It's welcome news for business owners. At Gold Medal Market & Deli in Minneapolis, most of their business is within a two hour stretch during lunch. In other words, speed matters.

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Shot 03/27/2007. Good B-roll credit card readers.

Forged credit cards, equipment, passports and health services identification cards are confiscated highlight how skilled identity thieves have become at forging false documents.

People walking along a city street may become victims of identity theft at some point. Confiscated equipment and fake ID and credit cards including card printers highlight how much the problem has grown. A fake ID is shown complete with a hologrammed image identical to that used on real cards.

NAME: V PHI PREVIEW 080504N TAPE: EF04/0487 IN_TIME: 10:48:36:04 DURATION: 00:02:03:24 SOURCES: APTN/FPJ Productions DATELINE: Manila, Recent RESTRICTIONS: See Script VOICED BY VERA FRANKL SHOTLIST: APTN Manila - Recent 0000 Wide of fortune tellers 0003 Close up palm reader 0007 Close up hands 0010 Close up tarot cards 0012 Fortune teller 0016 Tarot card reader 0021 UPSOUND (Tagalog) Tarot card reader 0033 Various of President Arroyo campaigning 0052 Various of train going through slums 0058 Wide shot Manila skyline with shanty town in foreground 0102 Various of Fernando Poe Junior campaigning FPJ Productions MUST ON-SCREEN CREDIT "FPJ PRODUCTIONS" 0114 Clip from the 2003 film "Pakners" starring Fernando Poe Junior APTN Manila - Recent 0128 Various of Poe campaigning 0139 SOUNDBITE: (English) Benito Lim, Professor of Asian Studies "It is as if they look at the Philippines society as a sick man. They have consulted the experts. The experts were unable to solve their problems. So they turn to faith healers for a miracle." 0153 Tarot card reader 0157 Close up sign for horoscopes 0201 Mid shot fortune tellers 0204 VISION ENDS LEAD-IN: Filipinos go to the polls on Monday for national elections. More than 50,000 candidates are running for about 17,000 public offices, including president, vice president, senators, congressmen and local positions. The presidential race is largely seen as a showdown between incumbent Gloria Macapagal Arroyo and film star Fernando Poe Jr., who have led surveys. VOICE-OVER: 0002 In the heart of Manila, Filipinos come to hear their fortune... ...Be it by palm reading, a lucky scattering of tarot cards or just plain intuition. 0011 Many fortune tellers are now turning their attention to Monday''s presidential election. But predicting the outcome is far from straightforward. 0022 Myrna Robledo reads tarot cards. For her, there''s no clear winner emerging. My cards are very confusing right now, she says. 0034 The same could be said for the campaign, President Gloria Macapagal Arroyo holding the slightest of leads over her nearest rival. Staunchly pro-American, Arroyo has been a key ally for the U-S in the war on terror, her stature belying a toughness in dealing with Islamic militants. 0053 Closer to home, she faces an economy still lagging behind its Asian neighbours. The gap between rich and poor is also growing. 0103 Getting mileage out of the country''s poor economic performance, Arroyo''s closest rival, Fernando Poe - movie star and self-styled man of the people. 0114 FX movie clip 0116 In his films, he''s best known for playing strong, silent types who defend the oppressed. FX movie clip 0126 No surprise then, that he finds most support in the slums of Manila. Poe''s one of several showbiz personalities running for office - a sign, analysts say, that people have lost faith in politicians. 0139 SOUNDBITE: (English) Benito Lim, Professor of Asian Studies "It is as if they look at the Philippines society as a sick man. They have consulted the experts. The experts were unable to solve their problems. So they turn to faith healers for a miracle." 0154 Regardless of the outcome of Monday''s vote, what is clear is that the fortunes of the Filipino people can only get better. 0204 VISION ENDS

HOLIDAY SHOPPERS AT FILENE’S DEPARTMENT STORE DURING THE CHRISTMAS HOLIDAY SEASON DURING THE MID 1990’s.

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A computer chip embedded "Smart Card" will help doctors in the efficient handling of patient records.

Scenes of shoppers at Walmart locations and clerks swiping Visa cards through credit card readers accompany a report about the retailer reaching an agreement with the credit card company to allow shoppers in Canada to use the card as a payment option. PLEASE NOTE News anchor and reporter image and audio, along with any commercial production excerpts, are for reference purposes only and are not clearable and cannot be used within your project.

President Barck Obama Remarks at the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau / CFPB - STIX AND CUTS AND MOTORCADE TRAVEL POOL TO AND FROM CFPB DC SLUG: 1145 CFPB TVL RS33 73 NYRS: WASH-3 DISC#: 339 (Cheers, applause.) 12:00:27 PRESIDENT BARACK OBAMA: Hello, everybody! Hello! Good job, everybody! (Cheers, applause.) Everybody please have a seat. Well, it is good to be back at CFPB. I want to -- yeah, it is a -- it is a enthusiastic and rowdy crowd this week. (Laughter.) That's what happens when you do good things, you know. You -- you feel good, and -- and this group is doing great work. I want to thank your director, Rich Cordray, for hosting me here today, and I want to thank all of you for doing a great job in looking out for the financial security of all Americans. 12:01:08 Obviously, right now, the news is dominated by Ebola. And, you know, we've got an all-hands-on-deck approach across government to make sure that we are keeping the American people safe. But even as we meet that particular challenge, it's also important that we don't lose sight of the other challenges that we face as a nation, especially the challenge of making sure that our economy works for every single American. And that includes the challenge that brings me here today, protecting Americans from financial fraud and identity theft. 12:01:47 As president, I believe that America is stronger when our middle class can count on things like affordable health insurance and Medicare and Social Security, where there are rules to protect our kids from dirty air or dirty water, rules to protect consumers from being taken advantage of. And I know you agree, those of you at CFPB, because that's your mission. And that's why part of the financial reform that we passed in the wake of the worst financial crisis since the Great Depression was the creation of this agency to make sure that we are looking at every aspect of the financial system and ensuring that the American people have the basic protections that they should be able to count on. You have one mission. You are a watchdog for consumers to make sure that the American people have somebody who's got their backs. And because of the good work of many of the people who are here today, Americans have saved millions because they have been protected from predatory mortgage practices, you've protected folks from deceptive credit card practices, you've set up "know before you owe" to help college be a little more affordable for young people and to make sure that they know the kind of debt that they're accruing, you've simplified mortgage forms so homeowners don't get tricked in the final print. But all this work, you know, taken together, the reason it's important is because it's not abstraction, it saves people money and time and heartache. And before you, Americans who'd gotten taken advantage of often had no way of achieving some sort of compensation. 12:03:37 Today you've actually secured billions of dollars in relief for victims, helped to make people a little more whole after somebody engaged in fraudulent behavior. Some folks in Congress fought tooth and nail to keep this agency from getting off the ground. There are some, frankly, who are still fighting to undo the rules we've put in place to protect consumers. But I refuse to back down and go back to the days when mortgage lenders or financial firms could take advantage of consumers and consumers had no recourse. We're moving forward. 12:04:13 America is better because of this agency and because the rules that we've put in place. And the good news is, is that we got more work to do. And today we're building on the progress that's already been made by announcing new measures to protect America from identity theft and fraud. Now, we've all experienced the benefits of new technologies that let us buy and sell things faster and more efficiently than ever before. But there are risks that come with these technologies as well. 12:04:43 Last year millions of American became victims of identity theft. Millions were victims of this kind of fraud. More than a hundred million Americans had information that was compromised in data breaches in some of our largest companies. And identity theft is now America's fastest-growing crime. These crimes don't just cost companies and consumers billions of dollars every year, they also threaten the economic security of middle-class Americans who worked really hard for a lifetime to build some sort of security. The idea that somebody halfway around the world could run up thousands of dollars in charges in your name just because they stole your number or because you swiped your card at the wrong place and the wrong time, that's infuriating. For victims, it's heartbreaking. And as a country, we've got to do more to stop it. 12:05:39 And that's why today, we are launching an initiative called Buy Secure, because you should be able to buy the things that you need without risking your identity, your credit score or your savings. Now first, starting next year, we're going to begin making sure that credit cards and credit card readers issued by the United States government come equipped with two new layers of protection: a microchip in the card that's harder for thieves to clone than a magnetic strip and a pin number that you enter into the reader just as you do with an ATM. We know this technology works. When Britain switched to a chip-and-pin system, they cut fraud in stores by 70 percent -- 70 percent. Now of course, no one security measure no matter how powerful can stop fraud on its own, so today, I'm also directing federal law enforcement to share more information with the private sector when they discover identity theft rings. Folks here at the CFPB are working with banks to help make it easier for consumers to discover if fraudulent charges have been made to their account. The Federal Trade Commission will add new features to identitytheft.gov, and they're going to work with credit bureaus to dramatically cut down on the time it takes for victims to recover their stolen identities. 12:07:02 And in the coming months, I'll be bringing together industry leaders and consumer advocates for a cybersecurity summit focused on protecting consumers using the next generation of mobile payment systems and devices. And I'm happy to say that the private sector is already deeply engaged in this effort. Today, a group of retailers that includes some of our largest -- Home Depot, Target, Walgreens, Wal-Mart -- and representing more than 15,000 stores across the country, all of them are pledging to adopt chip-and-pin technology by the beginning of next year. American Express is pledging $10 million to replace outdated card readers at small businesses, MasterCard is pledging to provide its customers with free identity theft monitoring and resolution support, and Citi is joining other financial institutions in making free FICO scores available to customers because a sudden drop in your credit rating is one of the clearest signs that you've been hit by fraud. So I want to thank all the business leaders who are choosing to protect their companies and their customers from the kind of hacking that we saw too many times this past year. I want to encourage every retailer, every bank and every credit card company to join them in this effort. 12:08:21 And even though I'm taking action today without Congress, Congress needs to do its part as well. Today, data breaches are handled by dozens of separate state laws, and it's time to have one clear national standard that brings certainty to businesses and keeps consumers safe. 12:08:37 Let me close by saying this. Last week, I saw a survey that asked folks from all over the world what they thought of the idea that success in life is pretty much determined by forces outside of our control. Of all the advanced economies on Earth, Americans, as you might expect, were the least likely to agree with that. We think our fate's in our own hands. We think that if we work hard, that we can get ahead. For all the challenges of the 21st century, for all the tough, grueling work that's been required to rebuild this economy and people rebuilding their individual lives after a terrible recession, we still believe that our destiny is written by us, not for us. We believe that this is a country where hard work should pay off, and responsibility should be rewarded. 12:09:30 That's the principle that all of you here at the Consumer Finance Protection Bureau deeply believe in. That's what you're fighting for every single day. That's what I'm going to keep on fighting for as long as I have the opportunity to be president, and the executive order I'm signing and the great work that the companies are doing who are participating here today is going to just be one more brick in that bridge that we provide to, hopefully, all Americans so that they can translate their dreams into reality. So good job, everybody. Let me sign this. (Applause.) 12:10:40 Rich, I should mention, by the way, I went to a restaurant up in New York when I was - during the U.N. General Assembly, and my credit card was rejected. (Laughter.) It turned out I guess I don't use it enough. (Laughter.) They were - they thought there was some fraud going on. (Laughter.) Fortunately, Michelle had hers. (Laughter.) I was trying to explain to the waitress, you know, I really think that I've been paying my bills. (Laughter.) Even I'm affected by this. Thank you very much, everybody. (Cheers, applause.) (END)

HOW A SMARTCARD COULD HELP MANAGE YOUR PERSONAL FINANCES.

[VOTE 2008: GOP Presidential Debate: 2100 - 2200] [Republican Presidential Debate: 2100 - 2200] [SIMI VALLEY, CA USA] Ten Republican candidates appear at a debate at the Reagan Library in Simi Valley, California. Debating are: Rudy Giuliani, John McCain, Mitt Romney, Sam Brownback, Ron Paul, Duncan Hunter, Mike Huckabee, Tommy Thompson, Tom Tancredo, and James Gilmore. 21:00:00 REAGAN THE ALTERNATIVES WHICH ARE ADULT STEM CELLS. 21:00:01 >> GOVERNOR THOMPSON. >> THERE IS SO MUCH RESEARCH 21:00:06 GOING ON, YOU CAN'T ANSWER THAT YES OR NO. 21:00:08 THERE IS RESEARCH GOING ON IN MADISON, WISCONSIN, THAT IS 21:00:12 GOING TO LOU FOR ADULT STEM CELLS WHICH WILL HAVE THE SAME 21:00:17 CHARACTERISTICS OF OTHERS SO YOU DO NOT HAVE TO KILL AN 21:00:23 EMBOROUGHO. >> I WANT TO THANK MRS. REAGAN 21:00:25 FOR THE MANY KINDNESSES EXTENDED TO MY FELLOW PRISONERS 21:00:31 OF WAR WHEN WE CAME HOME TO THIS WONDERFUL STATE. 21:00:33 WE NEED TO FUND THIS. THIS IS A TOUGH ISSUE FOR THOSE 21:00:36 OF US IN THE PRO LIFE COMMUNITY. 21:00:38 I WOULD REMIND YOU THAT THESE STEM CELLS ARE GOING TO BE 21:00:42 DISCARDED OR FROZEN. WE NEED TO DO WHAT WE CAN TO 21:00:46 RELIEVE HUMAN SUFFERING. IT'S A TOUGH ISSUE. 21:00:49 >> THAT'S A YES. >> YES OR NOR? 21:00:51 >> PROGRAMS ARE NOT AUTHORIZED UNDER THE CONSTITUTION. 21:00:55 THE TROUBLE WITH THIS, ISSUES LIKE THIS IN WASHINGTON WE 21:01:00 EITHER PROHIBIT OR SUB SI DISEASE IT AND THE MARKETS AND 21:01:03 STATES SHOULD DEAL WITH IT. >> AS LONG AS WE'RE NOT 21:01:06 CREATING LIFE IN ORDER TO DESTROY. 21:01:08 WE'RE NOT HAVING HUMAN CLONING AND WE LIMIT IT TO THAT AND 21:01:11 THERE IS PLENTY OF OPPORTUNITY TO USE FEDERAL FUNDS IN THOSE 21:01:15 SITUATIONS WHERE YOU HAVE LIMITATIONS SO I WOULD SUPPORT 21:01:17 IT WITH THOSE ELIMINATIONS LIKE THE BILL IN CONGRESS. 21:01:21 >> THERE ARE BILLIONS OF DOLLARS GOING INTO THIS 21:01:23 RESEARCH RIGHT NOW, IT DOES NOT REQUIRE ME TAKING MONEY FROM 21:01:27 TAXPAYERS IN THE UNITED STATES TO FUND IT. 21:01:32 >> GOVERNOR ROMNEY A YEAR AGO IT SEEMED LIKE YOU COULDN'T 21:01:36 WAIT TO TELL ABOUT YOUR HEALTH CARE EXPERIMENT IN 21:01:39 MASSACHUSETTS. IT'S BEEN CRITICIZED AS 21:01:42 SOMETHING HILLARY CLINTON COULD BE DEVISED. 21:01:43 YOU HARDLY MENTION IT ON YOUR WEBSITE. 21:01:46 WHAT'S CHANGED? >> I LOVE IT. 21:01:48 IT'S A FABULOUS PROGRAM. I'M DELIGHTED THAT IN OUR STATE 21:01:53 WE WORKED TOGETHER ACROSS THE AISLE TO FIND A WAY TO GET 21:01:55 HEALTH CARE FOR ALL OF OUR CITIZENS, IT'S AFFORDABLE AND 21:01:59 PORTABLE. THERE IS SOME PEOPLE THAT DON'T 21:02:00 LIKE IT. BUT WHEN IT CAME TIME TO VOTE, 21:02:03 WE WON 198-2. THE HERITAGE FOUNDATION WORKED 21:02:06 ON IT WITH US. WE HAD PEOPLE ON BOTH SIDES OF 21:02:08 THE AISLE. THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO WONDER 21:02:10 ABOUT IT. SENATOR KENNEDY AT THE SIGNING 21:02:12 OF THE BILL, WE WERE ALL THERE TOGETHER, IF YOU GOT MITT 21:02:16 ROMNEY AND TED KENNEDY AGREEING, WE DIDN'T READ IT. 21:02:22 BUT I HELPED RIGHT IT. INSTEAD GET THE MARKET TO DO 21:02:30 ITS JOB. LET PEOPLE HAVE HEALTH CARE 21:02:32 THAT THEY CAN AFFORD, GET THE MARKET TO DO ITS JOB. 21:02:34 LET PEOPLE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO CHOOSE POLICIES IN THE 21:02:37 PRIVATE SECTOR. WE DIDN'T EXPAND GOVERNMENT 21:02:40 PROGRAMS, WE DIDN'T RAISE TAXES. 21:02:42 THERE WAS NO GOVERNMENT TAKEOVER. 21:02:44 THE MARKET CAN WORK TO SOLVE OUR HEALTH CARE NEEDS AND 21:02:46 THAT'S THE GREAT EXCITING NEWS AND 27 OTHER STATES ARE WORKING 21:02:49 ON HEALTH CARE REFORM RIGHT NOW. 21:02:51 IT'S A GREAT PROGRAM, A GREAT OPPORTUNITY FOR THE ENTIRE 21:02:55 COUNTRY. >> JOHN. 21:02:56 >> SENATOR MCCAIN, SOME OF YOUR COLLEAGUES HAVE BEEN HIT PRETTY 21:03:00 HARD ON FLIP-FLOPS BUT YOU NOW SUPPORT EXTENDING THE TAX CUTS 21:03:05 WHICH YOU ORIGINALLY VOTED AGAINST THEM. 21:03:07 THAT MAKES NO SENSE? >> IN THE PROPOSAL I HAD THERE 21:03:11 WERE SIGNIFICANT TAX CUTS AND THERE WAS NO PROVISION TO START 21:03:15 ADDRESSING SOCIAL SECURITY OR A CONTINGENCY. 21:03:19 WE HAD THAT CALLED THE IRAQ WAR AND WE HAD NO RESTRAINT ON 21:03:22 SPENDING AND SPENDING GOT COMPLETELY OUT OF CONTROL. 21:03:25 YES, THESE TAX CUTS NEED TO BE MADE PERMANENT. 21:03:29 OTHERWISE THEY'LL HAVE THE AFFECT OF A TAX INCREASE. 21:03:31 BUT SPENDING IS DESTROYING THE FUTURE OF THIS COUNTRY AND 21:03:34 WE'VE GOT TO GET IT UNDER CONTROL AND AS I STARTED TO SAY 21:03:38 BEFORE, THE FIRST PORK BARREL EARMARKED BILL THAT CROSSES MY 21:03:42 DESK AS PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES, I'M GOING TO VETO IT 21:03:44 AND I'M GOING TO MAKE THE AUTHORS OF IT FAMOUS. 21:03:46 >> LET'S START WITH AN ENJOYABLE DOWN THE LINE. 21:03:50 I WANT EACH CANDIDATE TO MENTION A TAX HE'D LIKE TO CUT 21:03:54 IN ADDITION TO THE BUSH TAX CUTS KEEPING THEM IN EFFECT. 21:03:56 GOVERNOR. >> I'D LIKE MIDDLE INCOME 21:03:59 AMERICANS TO BE ABLE TO SAVE THEIR MONEY AND NOT HAVE TO PAY 21:04:02 ANY TAX AT ALL ON INTEREST, DIVIDENDS, OR CAPITAL GAINS AND 21:04:06 BY THE WAY -- >> ZERO RATE. 21:04:09 >> FOR MIDDLE INCOME AMERICANS. WE'RE ALL TALKING ABOUT HOW 21:04:13 ANXIOUS WE ARE TO VETO OVERSPENDING. 21:04:15 I WAS A GOVERNOR. I'VE DONE IT HUNDREDS OF TIMES. 21:04:17 I CAN'T WAIT TO GET MY HANDS ON WASHINGTON'S BUDGET. 21:04:21 >> I PUT FORWARD AN ALTERNATIVE FLAT TAX AND ALLOW PEOPLE TO 21:04:25 CHOOSE BETWEEN THE CURRENT TAX CODE SYSTEM WHICH DOESN'T WORK 21:04:28 WHICH OUGHT TO BE TAKEN BEHIND THE BARN AND KILLED WITH A DULL 21:04:31 AX AND LET THEM CHOOSE. >> GOVERNOR, A TAX YOU WOULD 21:04:35 LIKE TO CUT. >> I'VE BEEN A GOVERNOR OF 21:04:40 VIRGINIA, I RAN ON ELIMINATE AGE CAR TAX IN VIRGINIA, I 21:04:44 RECEIVED OPPOSITION. WE ELIMINATED THAT CAR TAX. 21:04:47 NOW THE QUESTION IS WHO IS ACTUALLY GOING TO DO WHAT THEY 21:04:50 SAY THEY'RE GOING TO DO? WHERE YOU HAVE BEEN IS WHERE 21:04:54 YOU'RE GOING TO GO AND I'VE LIVED UP TO MY WORD AND THE 21:04:57 ANSWER IS THE ALTERNATIVE MINIMUM TAX WHICH IS CONTINUING 21:05:00 TO DRIVE THE PEOPLE IN THE MIDDLE CLASS UP. 21:05:03 >> I CUT TAXES 94 TIMES AS GOVERNOR BUT TINKERING WITH IT 21:05:07 DOESN'T WORK. I WOULD OVERHAUL IT. 21:05:10 I WOULD MEET FOR THE FLAT TAX. WE GET RID OF THE I.R.S. AND 21:05:16 ALL CAPITAL GAINS, INCOME, CORPORATE AND WE'D HAVE A 21:05:19 CONSUMPTION TAX. THE FAIR TAX PROPOSAL, I 21:05:21 BELIEVE, OFFERS THE BEST OPPORTUNITY FOR ALL LEVELS OF 21:05:25 AMERICANS. >> CONGRESSMAN, YOUR TURN. 21:05:26 >> ABSOLUTELY, CHRIS, YOU KNOW RIGHT NOW OUR MANUFACTURERS ARE 21:05:30 GETTING KILLED. WE'RE SEEING MANUFACTURING MOVE 21:05:34 OFFSHORE BECAUSE OF A TRADE DEAL THAT WE SIGNED WITH THE 21:05:37 REST OF THE WORLD ALLOWS ALL OF OUR EXPORTS TO BE TAXED TWICE 21:05:40 WHILE THEIR EXPORTS TO US ARE NOT TAXED AT ALL. 21:05:43 THE ONLY WAY THAT WE CAN EVEN COME CLOSE TO LEVELING THAT 21:05:47 PLAYING FIELD IS TO ELIMINATE MANUFACTURING TAXES. 21:05:50 SO ELIMINATE ALL TAXES ON AMERICANS WHO WILL STAY IN THE 21:05:54 UNITED STATES AND MAKE PRODUCTS AND HIRE AMERICAN WORKERS. 21:05:57 >> GOVERNOR. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 21:05:59 I'M EXCITED ABOUT THIS QUESTION BECAUSE I WAS GOVERNOR OF 21:06:03 WISCONSIN AND VETOED 1,900 ITEMS, 1,900 TIMES REDUCED 21:06:08 TAXES 16.4 BILLION, THE BIGGEST PROBLEM WE'VE GOT IN AMERICA IS 21:06:14 THE ALTERNATIVE MINIMUM TAX THAT'S BRINGING MORE MIDDLE 21:06:17 INCOME IN. LET'S PUT IT IN AND HAVE THE 21:06:19 PEOPLE HAVE A FLAT TAX AND HAVE THE OPTION OF PAYING WHICHEVER 21:06:22 IS LEAST. >> SENATOR MCCAIN. 21:06:24 >> I GIVE THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES THE LINE-ITEM 21:06:27 VETO ON THESE BILLS AS WELL AS SPENDING BILLS. 21:06:30 THE ALTERNATIVE MINIMUM TAX IS OBVIOUSLY EATING AMERICANS 21:06:33 ALIVE AND IT'S GOT TO BE REPEELED. 21:06:36 ANOTHER ONE THAT I THINK IS IMPORTANT IS A TAX CREDIT FOR 21:06:40 PEOPLE TO BE ABLE TO PURCHASE HEALTH INSURANCE. 21:06:43 LOW INCOME AMERICANS WILL HAVE ACCESS TO HEALTH CARE WHICH IS 21:06:46 AN AMAZING AND DIFFICULT PROBLEM TODAY AND SIMPLER 21:06:50 FLATTER FAIR TAX SO AMERICANS DON'T HAVE TO SPENT $140 21:06:55 BILLION AS THEY JUST DID LAST APRIL TO PREPARE THEIR TAX 21:07:00 RETURNS. >> WELL, IN MY FIRST WEEK, I 21:07:01 ALREADY GOT RID OF THE INCOME TAX. 21:07:04 MY SECOND WEEK, I WOULD GET RID OF THE INFLATION TAX, A TAX 21:07:07 THAT NOBODY TALKS ABOUT. WE LIVE WAY BEYOND OUR MEANS 21:07:10 WITH A FOREIGN POLICY WE CAN'T AFFORD AND A SYSTEM THAT WE 21:07:14 HAVE ENCOURAGED. WE PRINT MONEY FOR IT. 21:07:16 THE VALUE OF THE MONEY GOES DOWN AND POOR PEOPLE PAY HIGHER 21:07:20 PRICES. THAT IS A TAX. 21:07:21 THAT'S A TRANSFER OF WEALTH OF THE POOR TO WALL STREET. 21:07:27 THE INFLATION IS EATING AWAY AT THE MIDDLE CLASS OF THIS 21:07:30 COUNTRY. WE NEED TO GET RID OF THE 21:07:32 INFLATION TAX WITH SOUND MONEY. >> MAYOR. 21:07:34 >> WE HAVE TO ADJUST THE A.M.T., THAT HAS TO BE REDUCED. 21:07:38 WE HAVE TO GET RID OF THE DEATH TAX WHICH IS GOING TO GO TO 21:07:42 ZERO IN 2010 WHICH IS GOING TO CREATE AN INCENTIVE, I CAN'T 21:07:46 IMAGINE WHAT KIND IT'S GOING TO CREATE. 21:07:48 IT'S GOING TO ZEROO AND 2011 IT'S GOING TO 55% AND THE TAX 21:07:53 CUTS THAT WENT INTO EFFECT REMAINS. 21:07:56 WE'RE GOING TO HAVE ONE OF THE BIGGEST TAX INCREASES IN 21:07:58 HISTORY IN 2011. I WOULD LOOK TO TRY TO 21:08:04 REGULARIZE THE RATES AND LOOK FOR SOME REDUCTION BEYOND WHAT 21:08:08 WE'RE DOING RIGHT NOW. >> FOR ALL OF THE REASONS 21:08:11 MENTIONED, I SUPPORT THE FAIR TAX, IT'S ACCOMPANIED WITH THE 21:08:15 REPEAL OF THE 16TH AMENDMENT. WE END UP WITH A CONSUMPTION 21:08:19 TAX AND AN INCOME TAX AND ALL THIS TALK ABOUT VETOING 21:08:23 SPENDING BILLS AND HOW THAT'S GOING TO SOLVE OUR PROBLEM, LET 21:08:26 ME TELL YOU, YOU CAN VETO ALL OF THE SPENDING BILLS YOU WANT. 21:08:30 YOU WILL NOT TOUCH THE DEFICIT UNTIL YOU ACTUALLY DEAL WITH 21:08:33 THE STRUCTURAL PROBLEM IN MANDATORY SPENDING. 21:08:35 THAT'S WHERE ALL THE MONEY IS. YOU CAN VETO EVERY ONE OF THE 21:08:38 BILLS THAT COME TO YOU AS DISCRETIONARY FUNDING INCLUDING 21:08:43 THE MILITARY. IT IS IN FACT MANDATORY 21:08:45 SPENDING THAT HAS TO BE DEALT WITH OR FORGET THE IDEA OF 21:08:50 DEFICIT SPENDING. >> SENATOR MCCAIN, YOU SAID YOU 21:08:53 PLAN TO POISON A DEMOCRAT TO THE MAJOR CABINET POINT. 21:08:59 TELL US NAMES. YOU GIVE BONUS POINTS IF YOU 21:09:04 SAY OTHER THAN JOE LIEBERMAN. >> THERE MUST BE OTHERS. 21:09:06 >> THERE ARE OTHERS WHO ARE QUALIFIED. 21:09:09 THERE ARE MANY AMERICANS WHO ARE INDEPENDENTS OR DEMOCRATS 21:09:13 OR REPUBLICANS, WHATEVER THEY ARE WHO ARE HIGHLY QUALIFIED 21:09:16 AND I'LL TELL YOU WHAT. I'D GO TO CORPORATE AMERICA. 21:09:19 I'D GO TO SILICON VALLEY AND I'D GO TO JOHN WHO HAS MADE HIS 21:09:26 MONEY, COME AND SERVE OUR COUNTRY. 21:09:29 I DON'T CARE IF THESE PEOPLE WITH THIS GREAT TALENT THAT 21:09:33 HAVE MADE THE PEOPLE A LEADER, I GO TO THESE PEOPLE NOW COME 21:09:36 AND SERVE YOUR COUNTRY AND MY FIRST PRIORITY WOULD BE THEIR 21:09:40 TALENTS AND WHAT THEY CAN CONTRIBUTE RATHER THAN WHAT 21:09:43 THEIR PARTY IDENTIFICATION IS. WE NEED TO COME TOGETHER MORE. 21:09:47 I KNOW HOW TO REACH ACROSS THE AISLE TO THE DEMOCRATS AND THEY 21:09:50 KNOW HOW TO REACH ACROSS THE AISLE FOR ME. 21:09:52 I'VE BEEN DOING IT FOR A LONG TIME. 21:09:54 >> TIME FOR OUR FINAL INTERACTIVE SEGMENT OF THE 21:09:56 PROGRAM AND THE DEBATE. JIM VANDEHEI. 21:10:00 >> CONGRESSMAN HUNTER, RYAN FROM LOS ANGELES WANTS YOU TO 21:10:03 NAME ONE THING THAT THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT DOES REALLY WELL AND 21:10:05 ONE THING THAT IT DOES POORLY. >> REALLY WELL, PRECISION 21:10:12 MUNITIONS ON THE SAFE HOUSE. REALLY POORLY. 21:10:15 SECURE THE BORDER. THE BORDER IS 2,000 MILES OF A 21:10:19 VERY POROUS AREA WHERE HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE COME 21:10:22 ACROSS ON AN ANNUAL BASIS AND LAST YEAR WE HAD 155,000 FOLKS 21:10:27 WHO CAME ACROSS FROM MEXICO WHO WERE FROM OTHER COUNTRIES IN 21:10:31 THE WORLD, SOME FROM CHINA, SOME FROM IRAN, WE HAVE TO 21:10:35 SECURE THE BORDER. THAT'S THE BIGGEST FAILURE OF 21:10:38 THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT. >> SENATOR MCCAIN, THIS COMES 21:10:41 FROM A POLITICO.COM READER AND WAS AMONG THE TOP VOTE GETTERS. 21:10:45 THEY WANT A YES OR NO. DO YOU BELIEVE IN EVOLUTION? 21:10:49 >> YES. >> I'M CURIOUS, IS THERE 21:10:51 ANYBODY ON THE STAGE THAT DOES NOT BELIEVE IN EVOLUTION? 21:10:56 >> MAY I JUST ADD TO THAT, I BELIEVE IN EVOLUTION BUT I ALSO 21:11:00 BELIEVE WHEN I HIKE THE GRAND CANYON AND SEE A SUNSET THAT 21:11:04 THE HAND OF GOD IS THERE ALSO. >> GOVERNOR ROMNEY, ROBERT FROM 21:11:10 MARYLAND WANTS TO KNOW WHICH CABINET OFFICIAL WOULD BE AT 21:11:13 THE TOP OF THE LIST OF THOSE YOU WOULD LIKE TO CARRY INTO 21:11:15 YOUR ADMINISTRATION IF YOU'RE ELECTED? 21:11:17 >> WELL MY GUESS IT WOULD BE AN ENTIRELY NEW TEAM. 21:11:20 YOU WANT TO BUILD A GROUP OF PEOPLE WHO ARE EXCITED ABOUT 21:11:23 THE FUTURE AND WHAT I WANT TO DO IS TO SEE THAT WE STRENGTHEN 21:11:28 OUR MILITARY, THE ECONOMY AND THE AMERICAN FAMILY. 21:11:31 THAT'S THE HEART OF THE REPUBLICAN PARTY, THE AMERICAN 21:11:35 FAMILY. THE FAMILY IS SEEING AN 21:11:36 EXPLOSION IN OUT OF WEDLOCK BIRTHS. 21:11:38 WE HAVE GREAT SINGLE MOMS DOING THEIR BEST BUT WE HAVE TO 21:11:41 ENCOURAGE MOM'S AND DADS BECAUSE THE CRITICAL WORK FOR 21:11:44 THE FUTURE OF MARK IS THE WORK THAT GOES ON IN THE FOUR WALLS 21:11:48 OF THE HOME. WE HAVE TO HELP THE FAMILY AND 21:11:51 GET MORE MARGESE BEFORE BABIES. >> MAYOR GIULIANI, THIS COMES 21:11:55 FROM ERIC TAYLOR FROM CALIFORNIA, HE WANTS TO KNOW 21:11:59 WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A SUNNI AND SHI'IA MUST LEM. 21:12:03 >> THE DIFFERENCE IS DESCENDANT OF HOMEDE. 21:12:10 THEY BELIEVE THAT IT SHOULD BE SELECTED AND THE SUNNIS BELIEVE 21:12:15 IT SHOULD BE DID I DESCENT. THERE WAS A SLAUGHTER OF 21:12:20 SHIITES IN THE EARLY PART OF THE HISTORY OF ISLAM AND IT IS 21:12:27 FORTUNATE. >> GOVERNOR GILMORE A 21:12:29 POLITICO.COM READER SAYS YOU CLAIM TO BE THE ONLY REAL 21:12:31 CONSERVATIVE IN THIS RACE. THEY WANT TO YOU EXPLAIN WHY 21:12:34 NONE OF THE OTHER CANDIDATES DESERVE THE LABEL THEMSELVES AS 21:12:37 I TRUE CONSERVATIVE? >> I'VE NOT SAID I'M THE ONLY 21:12:40 CONSERVATIVE IN THE RACE. I AM A CONSISTENT SEVERT, THE 21:12:44 ONE THAT YOU CAN COUNT ON. SOMEONE ISN'T GOING TO SAY ONE 21:12:48 THING ONE YEAR AND ANOTHER THING ANOTHER YEAR AND FLIP AND 21:12:52 FLOP AND CHANGE AROUND. I RAN AS A CONSERVATIVE. 21:12:54 I GONCHEDE AS A CONSERVATIVE. I WAS AN ALTERNATIVE DELEGATE 21:12:57 FOR RONALD REAGAN TO THE KANSAS CITY CONVENTION BACK IN 1976 SO 21:13:02 I'VE BEEN CONSISTENT ALL THROUGHOUT AND I'M SOMEONE THAT 21:13:05 PEOPLE CAN COUNT ON AS A CONSERVATIVE. 21:13:07 >> CONGRESSMAN PAUL, KERRY FROM CONNECTICUT ASKS DO YOU TRUST 21:13:14 THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA? >> SOME OF THEM. 21:13:16 BUT I TRUST THE INTERNET A LOT MORE AND I TRUST THE FREEDOM OF 21:13:22 EXPRESSION AND THAT'S WHY WE SHOULD NEVER INTERFERE WITH THE 21:13:25 INTERNET. THAT'S WHY I'VE NEVER VOTED TO 21:13:28 REGULATE THE INTERNET EVEN WHEN THERE IS THE TEMPTATION TO PUT 21:13:31 BAD THINGS ON THE INTERNET, REGULATION OF BAD AND GOOD ON 21:13:34 THE INTERNET SHOULD BE DONE DIFFERENTLY. 21:13:36 BUT THERE IS EVERY REASON TO BELIEVE THAT WE HAVE ENOUGH 21:13:39 FREEDOM IN THIS COUNTRY TO HAVE FREEDOM OF EXPRESSION. 21:13:41 THAT IS WHAT IS IMPORTANT. AND WHETHER OR NOT WE TRUST THE 21:13:43 MAINSTREAM OR NOT, I THINK YOU PICK OR CHOOSE. 21:13:46 THERE ARE SOME FRIENDS AND SOME AREN'T SO FRIENDLY. 21:13:50 >> SENATOR BROWNBACK, A READER WANTS TO KNOW IF YOUR PERSONAL 21:13:55 RELIGIOUS BELIEFS INFLUENCE YOUR FOREIGN POLICY THINKING? 21:13:58 >> I THINK PERSONAL BELIEFS OF EVERYONE SHAPE EVERYONE. 21:14:02 WE HAVE VALUES AND IT'S TAKEN IN AND TAKEN FORWARD. 21:14:05 I'VE SERVED ON THE INTERNATIONAL RELATIONS 21:14:07 COMMITTEE, I'VE WORKED ON THESE ISSUES. 21:14:09 I'VE CARRIED BILLS CONCERNING SUDAN AND CONGO AND NORTH KOREA 21:14:14 AND IRAN AND IRAQ. I WOULDN'T SAY IT DOMINATES IT 21:14:18 BUT I WOULD SAY IT INFLUENCES IT AS IT DOES FOR EVERYONE AND 21:14:21 I'VE GOT A CONSISTENT RECORD HERE OF AN AGGRESSIVE, CLEAR, 21:14:26 COMPASSION NATE FOREIGN POLICY THAT I THINK IS KEY. 21:14:28 IT'S GOING TO BE KEY FOR A FUTURE PRESIDENT AND MY 21:14:31 PRESIDENCY WILL HAVE A STRONG AGGRESSIVE FOREIGN POLICY. 21:14:34 >> MAYOR GIULIANI, WHAT DO YOU CONSIDER TO BE YOUR MOST 21:14:40 SIGNIFICANT WEAKNESS AS A CANDIDATE FOR THE PRESIDENT OF 21:14:42 THE UNITED STATES? >> I DON'T KNOW. 21:14:50 I THINK MY STRENGTHS OUTWEIGH MY WEAKNESSES, I HAVE PLENTY OF 21:14:53 WEAK NOTICED AND I WORK ON THEM BUT I THINK I'M A PERSON WHO IS 21:14:57 A OPTIMIST I LOOK AT THE HALF FULL GLASS RATHER THAN THE HALF 21:15:01 EMPTY GLASS. THE ONLY WAY YOU COULD TURN 21:15:03 AROUND THE CITY OF NEW YORK CITY THAT WAS CONSIDERED THE 21:15:06 CRIME CAPITAL OF AMERICA IS TRYING TO BRING IN THAT RONALD 21:15:11 REAGAN OPTIMISM AND LOOKED TO TRY TO CREATE RESULTS THAT 21:15:13 PEOPLE THOUGHT WERE IMPOSSIBLE AND WE DID. 21:15:17 >> SENATOR BRONBACK DO YOU FIND ANY FOULTS IN MAYOR GIULIANI? 21:15:22 I SAW YOU LOOK AT HIM WAITING FOR HIM TO SAY SOMETHING? 21:15:26 >> NO, I DON'T. I THINK THE AUDIENCE WILL SEE 21:15:30 THIS IS A SET OF QUALITY CANDIDATES. 21:15:32 THAT'S WHAT I LOVE ABOUT THIS IS WE'VE GOT A CHANCE TO DEBATE 21:15:34 IDEAS. AND WE WENT AS A PARTY WHEN WE 21:15:36 RUN ON IDEAS, BIG IDEAS AND PRINCIPALS AND YOU'RE SEEING 21:15:41 THESE ARTICULATED HERE AND THAT'S WHY WE'RE GOING TO WIN 21:15:43 IN 2008. IT'S ON PRINCIPALS AND IDEAS 21:15:45 AND BIG IDEAS HOW WE LEAD. >> THANK YOU. 21:15:48 GOVERNOR HUCKABEE, THIS QUESTION COMES FROM A READER IN 21:15:50 NEW YORK. IN LIGHT OF THE SCANDALS 21:15:53 PLAGUING THE CURRENT ADMINISTRATION AND ITS ALLIES 21:15:55 INVOLVING CORRUPTION AND CRONYISM, WHICH MISTAKES HAVE 21:15:58 YOU LEARNED NOT TO REPEAT? NO MOST IMPORTANT THING A 21:16:03 PRESIDENT NEEDS TO DO IS MAKE IT CLEAR THAT WE'RE NOT GOING 21:16:05 TO CONTINUE TO SEE JOBS SHIPPED OVERSEAS, JOBS THAT ARE LOST BY 21:16:10 AMERICAN WORKERS, MANY IN THEIR 50'S WHO HAVE WORKED TO MAKE A 21:16:14 COMPANY RICH AND THEN WATCH AS A C.E.O. TAKES $100 MILLION 21:16:19 BONUS TO JETTISON THOSE AMERICAN JOBS SOMEWHERE ELSE 21:16:24 AND THE WORKER NOT ONLY LOSES HIS JOB BUT HIS PENSION. 21:16:27 THAT'S CRIMINAL. IT'S WRONG, AND IF REPUBLICANS 21:16:29 DON'T STOP IT, WE DON'T DESERVE TO WIN IN 2008. 21:16:34 >> CONGRESSMAN TANCREDO, THIS READER REQUESTS A YES OR NO 21:16:38 ANSWER. WILL YOU WORK TO PROTECT 21:16:40 WOMEN'S RIGHTS IN FAIR WAGES AND REPRODUCTIVE CHOICE? 21:16:44 >> I WILL WORK TO PROTECT WOMEN'S RIGHTS. 21:16:48 THE REPRODUCTIVE CHOICE PART OF THAT IF I HEARD YOU CORRECTLY 21:16:51 IS IN REFERENCE TO ABORTION, THE RIGHT TO KILL ANOTHER 21:16:55 PERSON IS NOT A RIGHT THAT I WOULD AGREE WITH AND SUPPORT. 21:17:00 >> GOVERNOR THOMPSON, HOW MANY AMERICAN SOLDIERS HAVE LOST 21:17:07 THEIR LIVES IN THE IRAQ WAR AND HOW MANY HAVE BEEN INJURED TO 21:17:11 DATE? >> THERE HAS BEEN OVER 3,000 21:17:12 WHO HAVE LOST AND SEVERAL THOUSANDS HAVE BEEN INJURED AND 21:17:16 THE TRUTH OF THE MATTER IS THAT WE HAVE TO DO EVERYTHING WE 21:17:19 POSSIBLY CAN TO GIVE OUR TROOPS THE NECESSARY DOLLARS, THE 21:17:23 RESOURCES, THE WEAPONS, AND THE ARMED FORCES IN ORDER TO 21:17:26 PROTECT THEMSELVES. IT'S A BOND THAT EVERY AMERICAN 21:17:29 HAS WITH OUR ARMED FORCES. ANYTIME AN AROUND SOLDIER IS IN 21:17:34 HARM'S WAY WE HAVE TO DO EVERYTHING TO PROTECT THEM. 21:17:38 >> WE'RE AT THE LAST ROUND. IT'S 30-SECOND RESPONSES. 21:17:42 START WITH MAYOR GIULIANI. SOMETHING WE COME OUT FOR, I 21:17:44 WANT YOU TO EXPLAIN AND DEFEND IT. 21:17:47 A NATIONAL TAMPER PROOF I.D. CARD. 21:17:50 >> THAT'S CRITICAL TO HAVING IMMIGRATION SECURITY. 21:17:53 EVERY SINGLE PERSON WHO COMES IN SHOULD BE IDENTIFIED SHOULD 21:17:56 BE IN A DATABASE BASE, I PROBABLY HAVE THE MOST 21:18:00 EXPERIENCE IN DEALING WITH SECURITY. 21:18:01 I HAD TO TAKE A CITY THAT HAD A LOT CRIME AND REDUCE IT. 21:18:06 SO THE VERY BEST WAY TO SENSIBLY CREATE SECURITY IS TO 21:18:12 HAVE A TAMPER PROOF CARD AND A DATABASE AND BACK UP FROM 21:18:16 THERE. HOW DO WE GET THERE THAT WOULD 21:18:19 HAVE A TECHNOLOGICAL FENCE, HAVING PEOPLE COMING FORWARD 21:18:23 WHO ARE PAYING TAXES OR WANT TO PAY TAXES. 21:18:26 GOD BLESS THEM. >> I HAD THE OCCASION FOLLOWING 21:18:33 THE GREAT DISASTER OF 9/11 TO HELP ORGANIZE THE WINTERER 21:18:38 GAMES BRING PEOPLE TOGETHER IN SLARKS SALT LAKE CITY AND BRING 21:18:46 LAW ENFORCEMENT ALL OVER THE COUNTRY, COORDINATE THEM IN A 21:18:48 WAY THAT WE COULD COMMUNICATE WITH EACH OTHER. 21:18:51 AS WE DEAL WITH IMMIGRATION HAVING A NATIONAL SPECIAL CARD 21:18:54 THAT INDICATES A PERSON'S NAME, DATE, BIRTH DATE, BUY GRAPHIC 21:18:59 INFORMATION AND AN INDICATION OF THEIR WORK STATUS WILL TELL 21:19:04 US THAT INFORMATION. >> IS SOMEONE AGAINST THIS ON 21:19:08 GROUNDS? >> I DON'T THINK THIS IS THE 21:19:09 WAY TO GO AND I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO GO THIS WAY. 21:19:13 I'VE BEEN WORKING ON THESE IMMIGRATION ISSUES. 21:19:15 WE NEED TO SECURE THE BORDER WITH A FENCE AND THEN 21:19:18 INTERIORWISE WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT SOCIAL SECURITY 21:19:22 NUMBER MEANS SOMETHING. >> HOW IS THAT DIFFERENT THAN A 21:19:25 NATIONAL I.D. CARD IF IT WORKS? >> WE DON'T NEED A NEW SYSTEM 21:19:29 OR I.D. CARD. >> SENATOR MCCAIN ARE YOU FOR 21:19:32 TAMPER PROOF I.D. CARDS? >> THAT'S ONE OF THE 21:19:37 RECOMMENDATIONS OF THE 9/11 COMMISSION. 21:19:38 AND IF SOMEONE WANTS TO WORK, THEY NEED A DOCUMENT THAT IS 21:19:41 TAMPER PROOF AND ANY EMPLOYER WHO EMPLOYEES SOMEBODY ELSE 21:19:47 WITH A FALSE CARD OR CERTIFICATE SHOULD BE 21:19:49 PROSECUTED TO THE FULLEST EXTENT OF THE LAW. 21:19:52 >> DR. PAUL. >> I'M OPPOSED TO IT. 21:19:54 THIS IS A TOTAL CONTRADICTION OF WHAT A FREE SOCIETY IS ALL 21:19:57 ABOUT. THE PURPOSE OF GOVERNMENT IS TO 21:20:00 PROTECT THE SECRECY AND THE PRIVACY OF ALL INDIVIDUALS, NOT 21:20:04 THE SECRECY OF GOVERNMENT. WE DON'T NEED A NATIONAL I.D. 21:20:08 CARD. >> MR. TANCREDO, DO YOU AGREE 21:20:11 WITH THE NATIONAL TAMPER PROOF I.D. CARD? 21:20:14 >> I DO NOT THINK IT MUCH FOR THE SAME REASONS THAT DR. PAUL 21:20:17 SAID. WE NEED A VERIFIABLE SOCIAL 21:20:20 SECURITY CARD. THEY ARE TWO SEPARATE THINGS. 21:20:22 WE CAN ACCOMPLISH THE FORMER WITHOUT JAPAN DIESING RIGHTS. 21:20:29 >> -- JEOPARDIZING RIGHTS. >> LET ME GO THAT IT WOULD BE 21:20:36 PASSING AND DECIDED IN THE NEXT SEVERAL MONTHS. 21:20:38 THIS ISN'T AS MUCH FUN AS CUTTING TAXES. 21:20:42 DO YOU THINK SCOOTER LIBBY SHOULD BE PARDONED? 21:20:45 >> GOVERNOR. >> I DON'T THINK SOMEBODY WHO 21:20:47 IS RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT LET ALONE SOMEONE WHO IS PRESIDENT 21:20:49 SHOULD MAKE THAT DECISION UNTIL THE JUDICIAL PROCESS IS 21:20:53 COMPLETE. I CAN TELL YOU THAT I THINK IT 21:20:55 WAS OUTRAGEOUS FOR THE PROSECUTOR KNOWING THAT SCOOTER 21:20:58 LIBBY WAS NOT THE SOURCE OF THE LEAK TO INTERVIEW HIM, 21:21:01 GATHERING INFORMATION AND SETTING UP A CASE, IT WAS 21:21:05 PROSECUTORIAL INDISCRETION. THE NATIONAL I.D. CARD IS FOR 21:21:09 ALIENS, NOT FOR CITIZENS. IT'S FOR THOSE WHO COME HERE 21:21:12 OUTSIDE THE COUNTRY. >> MAYOR, YOU WANT IT FOR 21:21:15 EVERYONE? >> I'M TALKING ABOUT PEOPLE 21:21:18 COMING INTO THE UNITED STATES. >> THAT WILL BE INTERESTING HOW 21:21:22 THAT IS. LET ME GO TO SENATOR, DO YOU 21:21:25 THINK SCOOTER LIBBY SHOULD BE -- 21:21:27 >> LET THE LEGAL PROCESS MOVE FORWARD AND I LEAVE THAT UP TO 21:21:30 PRESIDENT BUSH. >> THE JUDGE IS GOING TO RULE 21:21:31 ON THAT CASE NEXT MONTH AND DECIDE WHETHER HE WILL BE 21:21:35 IMPRISONNED DURING HIS APPEAL? >> I'D LEAVE THAT UP TO THE 21:21:39 PRESIDENT. AT THE END OF THE TERM HE 21:21:41 DECIDES TO LET HIM OUT. >> YOU DON'T ENCOURAGE HIM TO 21:21:45 APPEAL? >> I WOULD SEE WILLINGNESS TO 21:21:47 GO EITHER WAY ON THIS BECAUSE THE UNDERLYING FACTS ON THIS 21:21:51 CASE ARE THERE WAS NOT A LAW THAT WAS VIOLATED. 21:21:54 THEY'RE SAYING IS OK, YOU DIDN'T REMEMBER RIGHT AND 21:21:57 THAT'S WHAT YOU WERE BEING PROSECUTED AND FOUND GUILTY 21:22:01 FOR. >> DO NO PORTIONS SO FAR. 21:22:03 >> NOT YET. >> I THINK WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH 21:22:08 THESE PAPERS WITH RESPECT TO ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS, NOT WITH 21:22:11 RESPECT TO ALL AMERICANS. WE SHOULD NOT HAVE A NATIONAL 21:22:14 I.D. CARD. WE SHOULD HAVE THAT DIFFUSE 21:22:16 ACROSS THE STATES. WITH RESPECT TO SCOOTER LIBBY I 21:22:19 WAS AN ELECTED PROSECUTOR, I HANDLED MANY CASES MYSELF AND 21:22:22 MANAGED OTHERS. THE LAW HAS TO APPLY WITHIN THE 21:22:25 DISCRETION OF THE PROSECUTOR. IF A PRESIDENT IS GOING TO 21:22:29 EXERCISE, WHICH I HAVE BY THE WAY DONE MYSELF AS A CHIEF 21:22:33 EXECUTIVE PARTS, IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE AS HIGH PROFILE 21:22:36 AS IT IS, YOU GO TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE AND MAKE YOUR 21:22:39 CASE AS TO WHY THAT KIND OF DISCRETION OUGHT TO BE APPLIED. 21:22:41 IF YOU CAN'T MAKE THAT CASE, HE SHOULDN'T DO IT. 21:22:44 >> YOU DON'T WANT ANOTHER MARK RICH? 21:22:47 >> WHAT? >> NEVER MIND. 21:22:49 DOES ANYONE WANT TO RAISE HIS HAND AND SAY PARDON HIM? 21:22:56 OK >> THERE R-TWO PEOPLE SERVING 21:23:02 PRISON TIME FOR ACTUALLY DOING THEIR TIMETONNED BORDER. 21:23:05 >> DR. PAUL, DO YOU WANT TO PARDON HIM. 21:23:08 >> HE DOESN'T IMMEDIATE A PARDON. 21:23:12 HE WAS INSTRUMENTAL IN THE MISINFORMATION THAT LET THE 21:23:14 CONGRESS AND THE PEOPLE TO SUPPORT A WAR THAT WE DIDN'T 21:23:17 NEED TO BE IN. >> LET ME ASK YOU A QUESTION 21:23:20 WHICH HAS GRABBED A LOT OF AMERICAN'S PERSONALLY. 21:23:23 THE SHIVEO CASE. IT WAS A QUESTION WHETHER THE 21:23:27 UNITED STATES SHOULD HAVE INTERVENED AND PASSED A LAW TO 21:23:29 ADVISE THE APPELLATE COURT WHETHER TO ACT OR NOT. 21:23:34 SHOULD CONGRESS HAVE ACTED OR LET THE FAMILY MADE THE 21:23:38 DECISION? >> I THINK WE SHOULD GENERALLY 21:23:41 LET THE FAMILY MAKE THE DECISION OF THIS NATURE. 21:23:42 >> THE HUSBAND SHOULD HAVE DECIDED. 21:23:44 >> GENERALLY WE SHOULD MAKE THAT DECISION AND THE CASE HERE 21:23:46 THE COURTS DECIDED WHAT THEY THOUGHT WAS THE RIGHT THING TO 21:23:50 DO AND JEB BUSH AND THE LEGISLATURE DID THE THING BUT 21:23:56 THE DECISION OF CONGRESS GETTING INVOLVED WAS A MISTAKE. 21:23:58 THE CONGRESS'S JOB IS TO MAKE SURE THAT LAWS ARE RESPECTING 21:24:02 THE SANCTITY OF LIFE BUT TO ADD JUDE INDICATE A CASE LIKE THIS, 21:24:07 IT SHOULD BE DOWN BY THE GOVERNOR. 21:24:09 >> SHOULD CONGRESS HAVE BEEN INVOLVED? 21:24:11 >> YES, IT SHOULD HAVE AND IT GAVE HER THE RIGHT AND THE 21:24:13 FAMILY THE RIGHT TO TAKE THAT APPEAL TO THE COURT. 21:24:16 THAT'S WHAT THE CONGRESS DID. AND HER LIFE IS SACRED. 21:24:20 EVEN IF IT'S THAT DIFFICULT MOMENT THAT SHE'S IN AT THAT 21:24:23 POINT IN TIME, THAT LIFE IS SACRED AND WE SHOULD STAND FOR 21:24:26 LIFE IN ALL CIRCUMSTANCES. >> SENATOR MCCAIN, WAS CONGRESS 21:24:28 RIGHT IN INTERVENING IN THAT CASE? 21:24:31 >> IT WAS A VERY DIFFICULT ISSUE. 21:24:33 ALL OF US WERE DEEPLY MOVED BY THE PICTURES AND THE DEPICTION 21:24:36 OF THIS TERRIBLE TRAGIC CASE. IN RETROSPECT, WE SHOULD HAVE 21:24:40 TAKEN SOME MORE TIME AND LOOKED AT IT MORE CAREFULLY AND 21:24:43 PROBABLY WE ACTED TOO HASTILY. >> MAYOR, WAS THAT A GOOD THING 21:24:47 FOR CONGRESS TO DO? >> THE FAMILY WAS IN DISPUTE. 21:24:49 THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE COURTS FOR. AND THE BETTER PLACE TO DECIDE 21:24:53 THAT IN A MUCH FAIRER AND A DEEPER WAY IS IN FRONT A COURT. 21:24:58 >> I WANT TO ASK YOU A QUESTION -- I WANT TO GET TO THE NEXT 21:25:02 QUESTION BECAUSE YOU CAN EXPAND ON YOUR THOUGHT AS PART OF THIS 21:25:05 ANSWER. I ASKED ABOUT RAISING TAXES AND 21:25:07 IT WAS ALMOST LIKE THE REAGAN ROUND HERE, EVERYONE WANTED TO 21:25:11 DO THAT. I'M SURE HE WAS LISTENING TO 21:25:12 THAT GOOD THOUGHT. LET ME ASK YOU ABOUT SOMETHING 21:25:15 ELSE THAT MIGHT BE A NEGATIVE IN THE UPCOMING CAMPAIGN. 21:25:19 WOULD IT BE GOOD FOR AMERICA TO HAVE BILL CLINTON BACK LIVING 21:25:23 IN THE WHITE HOUSE? >> YOU HAVE GOT TO BE KIDDING. 21:25:28 >> NO, I'M NOT. HIS WIFE IS RUNNING. 21:25:31 >> THE ONLY THING THAT I COULD THINK OF THAT WOULD BE AS BAD 21:25:34 AS THAT IS HAVE THE GANG OF THREE RUNNING THE WAR ON 21:25:38 TERROR, PELOSI, REID, AND HILLARY CLINTON. 21:25:40 SO I HAVE BEEN HONEST WOULD YOU, IT WOULD BE AN ALL OF 21:25:44 THING -- AWFUL THING FOR A LOT OF REASONS. 21:25:47 >> HILLARY CLINTON WOULD BE ELECTED NOT BECAUSE OF WHO SHE 21:25:49 IS BUT BECAUSE OF THE POLICIES THAT SHE STANDS FOR, RAISING 21:25:53 TAXES, OF NOT STANDING UP FOR LIFE OR MARRIAGE, THOSE ARE 21:25:56 WHAT WOULD BE BAD. >> GOVERNOR, BILL CLINTON BACK 21:26:00 IN THE WHITE HOUSE? >> NO, BECAUSE THAT WOULD MEAN 21:26:03 THAT HILLARY CLINTON WOULD BE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES 21:26:05 AND WHERE YOU'VE BEEN IS WHERE YOU'RE GOING TO GO AND SHE 21:26:08 TRIED TO SOCIALIZE MEDICINE IN THIS COUNTRY, A VERY BAD IDEA. 21:26:11 YOU NEED TO KEEP THAT IN THE PRIVATE SECTOR AND YET SHE SAID 21:26:14 IN THE ONLY -- >> WE HAVE A RAISOR BACK TO 21:26:19 TALK. SHOULD THEY COME BACK AND BILL? 21:26:22 >> NO ONE ON THIS STAGE KNOWS HILLARY CLINTON BETTER THAN I 21:26:25 DO AND I WILL TELL YOU IT'S NOT A GOOD IDEA TO HAVE EITHER OF 21:26:28 THEM IN THE WHITE HOUSE. >> BILL CLINTON CUT THE U.S. 21:26:32 ARMY BY ALMOST 50% IN THIS WAR AGAINST TERROR. 21:26:35 HE'S THE WRONG GUY TO HAVE IN THERE. 21:26:38 AND ON THE OTHER CASE, RONALD REAGAN SAID ON THE QUESTION OF 21:26:41 LIFE, WHEN THERE IS A QUESTION, ERR ON THE SIDE OF LIFE. 21:26:44 I THINK CONGRESS DID THE RIGHT THING. 21:26:47 >> GOVERNOR, SHOULD BILL CLINTON BACK IN THE WHITE HOUSE 21:26:50 BE GOOD FOR AMERICA? IT IS A POSSIBILITY HERE. 21:26:52 >> A BAD POSSIBILITY. NO NATIONAL I.D. AND THE 21:26:58 MEDICAL CASE SHOULD BE LEFT UP TO THE STATES AND BILL CLINTON 21:27:01 SHOULD NOT BE IN THE WHITE HOUSE AND WE CERTAINLY SHOULD 21:27:03 NOT ELECT ANY DEMOCRAT TO THE WHITE HOUSE, ONE OF US HERE 21:27:06 SHOULD BE. >> GOOD CLEAN-UP HITTING THERE. 21:27:10 SENATOR. >> NO, BECAUSE IT OBVIOUSLY 21:27:12 WOULD MEAN THAT SENATOR CLINTON IS THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED 21:27:15 STATES AND WE DON'T WANT THAT. MOST IMPORTANTLY, IT WOULD MEAN 21:27:19 THAT THE APPOINTMENT OF SUPREME COURT JUSTICES AND OTHER JUDGES 21:27:24 WOULD TAKE A SHARP TURN TO THE LEFT. 21:27:26 ONE OF OUR GREATEST PROBLEMS IN AMERICA TODAY IS JUSTICES THAT 21:27:30 LEGISLATE FROM THE BENCH, I'M PROUD THAT WE HAVE JUSTICE 21:27:33 ALITO AND ROBERTS ON THE UNITED STATES SUPREME COURT. 21:27:36 I'M VERY PROUD TO HAVE PLAYED A SMALL ROLE IN MAKING THAT 21:27:39 HAPPEN. >> DR. PAUL. 21:27:40 >> I AM KNOWN FOR STICKING TO PRINCIPAL AND NOT 21:27:44 FLIP-FLOPPING. I VOTED TO IMPEACH HIM. 21:27:48 >> MAYOR GIULIANI. >> IT WOULD MEAN THAT WE WERE 21:27:50 BACK ON DEFENSE AGAINST TERRORISM GIVEN SENATOR 21:27:53 CLINTON'S RECENT POSITIONS AND THE REALITY IS IN THE 1990'S WE 21:27:57 WERE ON DEFENSE IN DEALING WITH TERRORISM. 21:28:00 WHEN YOU HAD THIS DEBATE LAST WEEK AND ALL THE DEMOCRATS WERE 21:28:02 UP HERE, I NEVER REMEMBER THE WORDS ISLAMIC FUNDAMENTALIST 21:28:07 TERRORISM BEING SPOKEN BY ANY OF THEM. 21:28:09 >> MR. TANCREDO, LAST THOUSAND. >> I KNOW HE IS PRESENTLY 21:28:13 MEASURING THE DRAPES OVER IN THE OVAL OFFICE, BUT NO, IT'S A 21:28:18 LOUSY IDEA. >> YOU THINK HE'S MEASURING THE 21:28:21 DRAPES. LET ME START WITH THE QUESTION. 21:28:23 IF YOU WANT TO PASS, PLEASE PASS. 21:28:26 EVERY PRESIDENT IF YOU LOOK BACK WAS ELECTED TO FILL THE 21:28:29 PROBLEMS OF THE PREVIOUS PRESIDENT. 21:28:31 WE ARE CORRECTING ALL THE TIME IN THIS COUNTRY. 21:28:34 HOW WILL YOU BE DIFFERENT IN ANY WAY FROM PRESIDENT GEORGE 21:28:37 W. BUSH? >> WE'RE EACH OUR OWN PERSON. 21:28:39 WE HAVE OUR OWN VALUES. I RESPECT THE PRESIDENT'S 21:28:42 CHARACTER, HIS PASSION, HIS LOVE FOR THIS COUNTRY. 21:28:45 I BELIEVE EVERYTHING HE DOES IN THIS CAR AGAINST TERROR FLOWS 21:28:47 FROM A DESIRE TO PROTECT THE AMERICAN PEOPLE AND TO MAKE OUR 21:28:50 FUTURE SECURE. BUT I WILL GO TO WORK NOT ONLY 21:28:52 TO WIN THE WAR ON TERROR AS IT RELATES TO IRAQ AND 21:28:55 AFGHANISTAN, BUT ON A GLOBAL BASIS, NOT ONLY WITH A STRONG 21:28:59 MILITARY. WE NEED MORE TROOPS AND MORE 21:29:02 MILITARY SPENDING BUT AT THE SAME TIME WE HAVE TO STRENGTHEN 21:29:04 OUR ECONOMY AND MAKE SURE THAT SOMEBODY WHO HAS BEEN IN THE 21:29:06 PRIVATE SECTOR ALL HIS LIFE CAN PROTECT JOBS AND FINALLY 21:29:10 STRENGTHEN THE AMERICAN FAMILY. THAT'S WHAT WE GOT TO DO. 21:29:12 >> SENATOR MCCAIN. >> I WOULD NOT HAVE MISMANAGED 21:29:15 THE WAR. IT WAS BADLY MISMANAGED FOR 21:29:17 FOUR YEARS. WE A NEW STRATEGY THAT I THINK 21:29:20 AND PRAY EVERY NIGHT WILL SUCCEED. 21:29:23 I WOULD HAVE VETOED SPENDING BILL AFTER SPENDING BILL AFTER 21:29:28 PORK BARREL PROJECT IN THE TRADITION OF PRESIDENT REAGAN. 21:29:31 >> MR. GILMORE. >> CHRIS, THIS CAMPAIGN IS 21:29:34 ABOUT THE NATIONAL SECURITY OF THE UNITED STATES AND THERE ARE 21:29:36 AT LEAST FOUR THINGS THAT NEED TO BE DONE. 21:29:38 WE NEED TO BE VIGOROUS ON THE WAR ON TERROR AND WE NEED TO 21:29:41 DRAW OTHER PEOPLE ACROSS THE WORLD TO US AS WE ADDRESS IT. 21:29:44 HOMELAND SECURITY HAS GOT TO BECOME AN ENTIRE EFFORT OF AN 21:29:48 ENTIRE COMMUNITY OF THE UNITED STATES AND WE HAVE NOT YET 21:29:50 ACHIEVED THAT. >> MR. HUCKABEE WE HAVE TO 21:29:53 MOVE. >> I WANT TO GIVE EVERYONE A 21:29:55 SHOT. >> I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE 21:29:56 WENT TO A PLACE WHERE THE STATES HAD MORE POWER AND NOT 21:29:59 CENTRAL LIES IN THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT. 21:30:02 THAT'S BEEN A MISTAKE IN THIS ADMINISTRATION. 21:30:04 A HUGE MISTAKE. AND WE NEED TO HONOR THE 10TH 21:30:07 EAFMENT AND REMEMBER THAT WE ARE A NATION OF STRONG STATES 21:30:11 AND WEAK FEDERAL GOVERNMENT. >> WE WON WORLD WAR II, WORLD 21:30:18 WAR I AND THE COLD WAR. WE'RE LOSING OUR INDUSTRIAL 21:30:21 BASE THROUGH BAD TRADE POLICY RIGHT NOW. 21:30:24 CHINA IS CHEATING ON TRADE. I WOULD ENFORCE TRADE LAWS 21:30:26 THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THE PRESIDENT IS NOT DOING. 21:30:29 >> I'D PUSH MORE A POLITICAL SOLUTION ALONG WITH A MILITARY 21:30:32 SOLUTION IN IRAQ AND HERE I WOULD PUSH A THREE STATE, ONE 21:30:36 CONCURRENT SOLUTION WITH IRAQ. BAGHDAD IS THE CENTRAL CITY. 21:30:42 WE'VE GOT TO PUSH A POLITICAL SOLUTION ALONG WITH THE 21:30:45 MILITARY TO GET TO A STABLE SITUATION IN IRAQ WHICH IS OUR 21:30:48 KEY POLITICAL ISSUE OF THE DAY. >> MR. TANCREDO. 21:30:52 >> THE PRESIDENT HAS DONE MANY GOOD THINGS AND I'M PROUD OF 21:30:55 HIM FOR IT. ON A NUMBER OF ISSUES, 21:30:58 ESPECIALLY NO CHILD LEFT BEHIND, THE MEDICARE 21:31:00 PRESCRIPTION DRUG BILL, THESE THINGS WERE OVER ARCHING AND 21:31:06 REACHING FOR THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT. 21:31:07 IN TERMS OF IRAQ, IT'S TIME, YOU KNOW, FRANKLIN SAID IN 1727 21:31:12 THAT HE WANTED TO -- COULD I PLEASE -- 21:31:16 >> GOVERNOR THOMPSON PLEASE. >> I WOULD TRANSFORM THE HEALTH 21:31:20 CARE SYSTEM A LOT DIFFERENT THAN THE PRESIDENT IS TALKING 21:31:23 ABOUT. I WOULD SET UP A PEACEFUL WAY 21:31:26 TO SETTLE THE SITUATION IN IRAQ BY ALLOWING THE IRAQIS TO ELECT 21:31:30 THEIR OWN LEADERS IN THE STATES AND BE ABLE TO SPLIT THE OIL 21:31:33 REVENUES. I WOULD SET UP MEDICAL AND 21:31:41 EDUCATIONAL DIPLOMA SI TO BE INVOLVED IN OUR FOREIGN 21:31:46 RELATIONS. >> ON SEPTEMBER 11, 2001 WE 21:31:47 THOUGHT WE WERE GOING TO BE ATTACKED MANY TIMES BETWEEN 21:31:50 THEN AND NOW. WE HAVEN'T BEEN. 21:31:52 I BELIEVE WE HAD A PRESIDENT WHO MADE THE RIGHT DECISION AT 21:31:54 THE RIGHT TIME ON SEPTEMBER 20, 2001 TO PUT US ON OFFENSE 21:31:59 AGAINST TERRORISTS. HISTORY WILL REMEMBER HIM FOR 21:32:01 THAT AND WE AS REPUBLICANS SHOULD REMIND PEOPLE OF THAT. 21:32:03 >> DR. PAUL. >> I CERTAINLY WOULD CONTINUE 21:32:06 ON MY EARLIER THEME THAT FOREIGN POLICY NEEDS TO BE 21:32:10 CHANGED. MR. REPUBLICAN, REPORTER TAFT, 21:32:13 WE HAVE A STATUE OF HIM IN WASHINGTON. 21:32:18 I WOULD WORK VERY HARD TO PROTECT THE PRIVACY OF AMERICAN 21:32:21 CITIZENS BEING VERY, VERY CAUTIOUS ABOUT WARRANTLESS 21:32:23 SEARCHES AND I WOULD GUARANTEE THAT I WOULD NEVER ABUSE HABEAS 21:32:27 CORPUS. >> THIS IS HARDLY THE END OF 21:32:30 THE 2008 PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE OR EVEN THE BEGINNING OF THE 21:32:34 END BUT IT IS AT LEAST THE END OF THE BEGINNING. 21:32:36 THIS DEBATE AIRS AGAIN TONIGHT ON MSNBC AT 11:00 EASTERN TIME. 21:32:42 I'LL JOIN KEITH OLBERMANN ON MSNBC FOR A COMPLETE DEBATE 21:32:45 ANALYSIS AND COVERAGE AS THE CAMPAIGN HEADS TO THE SPIN 21:32:48 ROOM. I WANT TO THANK EVERYONE HERE, 21:32:50 ESPECIALLY MRS. RONALD REAGAN AND THE REAGAN LIBRARY. 21:32:56 [APPLAUSE] >> A FEW TRIP-UPS, A FEW 21:33:12 LAUGHS, PERHAPS FOR IRAN AND IRAQ. 21:33:14 CERTAINLY MORE IRAN THAN IRAQ THAT WE EXPECTED AND PERHAPS 21:33:18 SOME CRITICISM. >> THANKS TO THE PEOPLE OF NBC 21:33:24 NEWS AND MSNBC AND THANKS TO THE 10 REPUBLICAN PRESIDENTIAL 21:33:28 CANDIDATES HERE TONIGHT. FROM THE RONALD REAGAN 21:33:31 PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY, GOOD NIGHT. 21:33:34 [APPLAUSE] >> AND NO MATTER THE 21:33:44 CANDIDATES, NO MATTER THE PARTY, CHRIS MATTHEWS WILL 21:33:48 ALWAYS HAVE THE LAST WORD. A FEW TRIP-UPS, A FEW LAUGHS, 21:33:54 MORE IRAN THAN IRAQ PERHAPS, MORE CRITICISM BUT NOT BY NAME 21:33:58 OF PRESIDENT BUSH'S POLICIES IN IRAQ. 21:34:02 AND THOSE OPEN QUESTIONS, WHO LOOKED PRESIDENTIAL, WHO DID 21:34:05 NOT, WHO GOT THEIR POINTS ACROSS, WHO SEEMED TO BE TRYING 21:34:07 TOO HARD TO GET THEIR POINTS ACROSS. 21:34:10 YOU'VE BEEN WATCHING THE FIRST IN THE NATION REPUBLICAN 21:34:14 PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATES DEBATE HERE AT THE RONALD REAGAN IN 21:34:19 SIMI VALLEY, CALIFORNIA. CHRIS MATTHEWS WILL BE JOINING 21:34:22 US AFTER THE HANDSHAKES AND BACK SLAPS. 21:34:25 I'M KEITH OLBERMANN ABOVE THE CROWD AND ABOVE THE FRAY 21:34:29 ALONGSIDE THE "CHICAGO TRIBUNE"'S JILL AND 21:34:32 "NEWSWEEK"'S HOWARD AND WE BID YOU A GOOD EVENING FROM THE 21:34:37 LIBRARY. THERE ARE MANY OF THE HUGE 21:34:39 POINTS AND MANY EXTRAORDINARY POLICY STATEMENTS THAT WE HEARD 21:34:42 HERE, WE'LL GO THROUGH THEM THROUGH THE COURSE OF THE NEXT 21:34:45 90 MINUTES. BUT THE BIGGEST POINT, WHO 21:34:47 LOOKED PRESIDENTIAL, WHO SOUNDED PRESIDENTIAL, WHO DID 21:34:51 NOT? >> I THINK THAT RUDY GIULIANI 21:34:54 DID NOT QUITE. HE CAME IN AS THE FRONTRUNNER. 21:34:57 I THINK THIS WAS NOT A SITUATION THAT HE COULD 21:34:58 DOMINATE AND HE DIDN'T DOMINATE IT BECAUSE HE HAD TO TALK ABOUT 21:35:02 ABORTION, STEM CELL RESEARCH, A LOT OF SOCIAL ISSUES THAT HE 21:35:05 WAS NOT ON FIRM TURF WITH

[VOTE 2008: GOP Presidential Debate: 2100 - 2200] [Republican Presidential Debate: 2100 - 2200] [SIMI VALLEY, CA USA] Ten Republican candidates appear at a debate at the Reagan Library in Simi Valley, California. Debating are: Rudy Giuliani, John McCain, Mitt Romney, Sam Brownback, Ron Paul, Duncan Hunter, Mike Huckabee, Tommy Thompson, Tom Tancredo, and James Gilmore. 21:00:00 REAGAN THE ALTERNATIVES WHICH ARE ADULT STEM CELLS. 21:00:01 >> GOVERNOR THOMPSON. >> THERE IS SO MUCH RESEARCH 21:00:06 GOING ON, YOU CAN'T ANSWER THAT YES OR NO. 21:00:08 THERE IS RESEARCH GOING ON IN MADISON, WISCONSIN, THAT IS 21:00:12 GOING TO LOU FOR ADULT STEM CELLS WHICH WILL HAVE THE SAME 21:00:17 CHARACTERISTICS OF OTHERS SO YOU DO NOT HAVE TO KILL AN 21:00:23 EMBOROUGHO. >> I WANT TO THANK MRS. REAGAN 21:00:25 FOR THE MANY KINDNESSES EXTENDED TO MY FELLOW PRISONERS 21:00:31 OF WAR WHEN WE CAME HOME TO THIS WONDERFUL STATE. 21:00:33 WE NEED TO FUND THIS. THIS IS A TOUGH ISSUE FOR THOSE 21:00:36 OF US IN THE PRO LIFE COMMUNITY. 21:00:38 I WOULD REMIND YOU THAT THESE STEM CELLS ARE GOING TO BE 21:00:42 DISCARDED OR FROZEN. WE NEED TO DO WHAT WE CAN TO 21:00:46 RELIEVE HUMAN SUFFERING. IT'S A TOUGH ISSUE. 21:00:49 >> THAT'S A YES. >> YES OR NOR? 21:00:51 >> PROGRAMS ARE NOT AUTHORIZED UNDER THE CONSTITUTION. 21:00:55 THE TROUBLE WITH THIS, ISSUES LIKE THIS IN WASHINGTON WE 21:01:00 EITHER PROHIBIT OR SUB SI DISEASE IT AND THE MARKETS AND 21:01:03 STATES SHOULD DEAL WITH IT. >> AS LONG AS WE'RE NOT 21:01:06 CREATING LIFE IN ORDER TO DESTROY. 21:01:08 WE'RE NOT HAVING HUMAN CLONING AND WE LIMIT IT TO THAT AND 21:01:11 THERE IS PLENTY OF OPPORTUNITY TO USE FEDERAL FUNDS IN THOSE 21:01:15 SITUATIONS WHERE YOU HAVE LIMITATIONS SO I WOULD SUPPORT 21:01:17 IT WITH THOSE ELIMINATIONS LIKE THE BILL IN CONGRESS. 21:01:21 >> THERE ARE BILLIONS OF DOLLARS GOING INTO THIS 21:01:23 RESEARCH RIGHT NOW, IT DOES NOT REQUIRE ME TAKING MONEY FROM 21:01:27 TAXPAYERS IN THE UNITED STATES TO FUND IT. 21:01:32 >> GOVERNOR ROMNEY A YEAR AGO IT SEEMED LIKE YOU COULDN'T 21:01:36 WAIT TO TELL ABOUT YOUR HEALTH CARE EXPERIMENT IN 21:01:39 MASSACHUSETTS. IT'S BEEN CRITICIZED AS 21:01:42 SOMETHING HILLARY CLINTON COULD BE DEVISED. 21:01:43 YOU HARDLY MENTION IT ON YOUR WEBSITE. 21:01:46 WHAT'S CHANGED? >> I LOVE IT. 21:01:48 IT'S A FABULOUS PROGRAM. I'M DELIGHTED THAT IN OUR STATE 21:01:53 WE WORKED TOGETHER ACROSS THE AISLE TO FIND A WAY TO GET 21:01:55 HEALTH CARE FOR ALL OF OUR CITIZENS, IT'S AFFORDABLE AND 21:01:59 PORTABLE. THERE IS SOME PEOPLE THAT DON'T 21:02:00 LIKE IT. BUT WHEN IT CAME TIME TO VOTE, 21:02:03 WE WON 198-2. THE HERITAGE FOUNDATION WORKED 21:02:06 ON IT WITH US. WE HAD PEOPLE ON BOTH SIDES OF 21:02:08 THE AISLE. THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO WONDER 21:02:10 ABOUT IT. SENATOR KENNEDY AT THE SIGNING 21:02:12 OF THE BILL, WE WERE ALL THERE TOGETHER, IF YOU GOT MITT 21:02:16 ROMNEY AND TED KENNEDY AGREEING, WE DIDN'T READ IT. 21:02:22 BUT I HELPED RIGHT IT. INSTEAD GET THE MARKET TO DO 21:02:30 ITS JOB. LET PEOPLE HAVE HEALTH CARE 21:02:32 THAT THEY CAN AFFORD, GET THE MARKET TO DO ITS JOB. 21:02:34 LET PEOPLE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO CHOOSE POLICIES IN THE 21:02:37 PRIVATE SECTOR. WE DIDN'T EXPAND GOVERNMENT 21:02:40 PROGRAMS, WE DIDN'T RAISE TAXES. 21:02:42 THERE WAS NO GOVERNMENT TAKEOVER. 21:02:44 THE MARKET CAN WORK TO SOLVE OUR HEALTH CARE NEEDS AND 21:02:46 THAT'S THE GREAT EXCITING NEWS AND 27 OTHER STATES ARE WORKING 21:02:49 ON HEALTH CARE REFORM RIGHT NOW. 21:02:51 IT'S A GREAT PROGRAM, A GREAT OPPORTUNITY FOR THE ENTIRE 21:02:55 COUNTRY. >> JOHN. 21:02:56 >> SENATOR MCCAIN, SOME OF YOUR COLLEAGUES HAVE BEEN HIT PRETTY 21:03:00 HARD ON FLIP-FLOPS BUT YOU NOW SUPPORT EXTENDING THE TAX CUTS 21:03:05 WHICH YOU ORIGINALLY VOTED AGAINST THEM. 21:03:07 THAT MAKES NO SENSE? >> IN THE PROPOSAL I HAD THERE 21:03:11 WERE SIGNIFICANT TAX CUTS AND THERE WAS NO PROVISION TO START 21:03:15 ADDRESSING SOCIAL SECURITY OR A CONTINGENCY. 21:03:19 WE HAD THAT CALLED THE IRAQ WAR AND WE HAD NO RESTRAINT ON 21:03:22 SPENDING AND SPENDING GOT COMPLETELY OUT OF CONTROL. 21:03:25 YES, THESE TAX CUTS NEED TO BE MADE PERMANENT. 21:03:29 OTHERWISE THEY'LL HAVE THE AFFECT OF A TAX INCREASE. 21:03:31 BUT SPENDING IS DESTROYING THE FUTURE OF THIS COUNTRY AND 21:03:34 WE'VE GOT TO GET IT UNDER CONTROL AND AS I STARTED TO SAY 21:03:38 BEFORE, THE FIRST PORK BARREL EARMARKED BILL THAT CROSSES MY 21:03:42 DESK AS PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES, I'M GOING TO VETO IT 21:03:44 AND I'M GOING TO MAKE THE AUTHORS OF IT FAMOUS. 21:03:46 >> LET'S START WITH AN ENJOYABLE DOWN THE LINE. 21:03:50 I WANT EACH CANDIDATE TO MENTION A TAX HE'D LIKE TO CUT 21:03:54 IN ADDITION TO THE BUSH TAX CUTS KEEPING THEM IN EFFECT. 21:03:56 GOVERNOR. >> I'D LIKE MIDDLE INCOME 21:03:59 AMERICANS TO BE ABLE TO SAVE THEIR MONEY AND NOT HAVE TO PAY 21:04:02 ANY TAX AT ALL ON INTEREST, DIVIDENDS, OR CAPITAL GAINS AND 21:04:06 BY THE WAY -- >> ZERO RATE. 21:04:09 >> FOR MIDDLE INCOME AMERICANS. WE'RE ALL TALKING ABOUT HOW 21:04:13 ANXIOUS WE ARE TO VETO OVERSPENDING. 21:04:15 I WAS A GOVERNOR. I'VE DONE IT HUNDREDS OF TIMES. 21:04:17 I CAN'T WAIT TO GET MY HANDS ON WASHINGTON'S BUDGET. 21:04:21 >> I PUT FORWARD AN ALTERNATIVE FLAT TAX AND ALLOW PEOPLE TO 21:04:25 CHOOSE BETWEEN THE CURRENT TAX CODE SYSTEM WHICH DOESN'T WORK 21:04:28 WHICH OUGHT TO BE TAKEN BEHIND THE BARN AND KILLED WITH A DULL 21:04:31 AX AND LET THEM CHOOSE. >> GOVERNOR, A TAX YOU WOULD 21:04:35 LIKE TO CUT. >> I'VE BEEN A GOVERNOR OF 21:04:40 VIRGINIA, I RAN ON ELIMINATE AGE CAR TAX IN VIRGINIA, I 21:04:44 RECEIVED OPPOSITION. WE ELIMINATED THAT CAR TAX. 21:04:47 NOW THE QUESTION IS WHO IS ACTUALLY GOING TO DO WHAT THEY 21:04:50 SAY THEY'RE GOING TO DO? WHERE YOU HAVE BEEN IS WHERE 21:04:54 YOU'RE GOING TO GO AND I'VE LIVED UP TO MY WORD AND THE 21:04:57 ANSWER IS THE ALTERNATIVE MINIMUM TAX WHICH IS CONTINUING 21:05:00 TO DRIVE THE PEOPLE IN THE MIDDLE CLASS UP. 21:05:03 >> I CUT TAXES 94 TIMES AS GOVERNOR BUT TINKERING WITH IT 21:05:07 DOESN'T WORK. I WOULD OVERHAUL IT. 21:05:10 I WOULD MEET FOR THE FLAT TAX. WE GET RID OF THE I.R.S. AND 21:05:16 ALL CAPITAL GAINS, INCOME, CORPORATE AND WE'D HAVE A 21:05:19 CONSUMPTION TAX. THE FAIR TAX PROPOSAL, I 21:05:21 BELIEVE, OFFERS THE BEST OPPORTUNITY FOR ALL LEVELS OF 21:05:25 AMERICANS. >> CONGRESSMAN, YOUR TURN. 21:05:26 >> ABSOLUTELY, CHRIS, YOU KNOW RIGHT NOW OUR MANUFACTURERS ARE 21:05:30 GETTING KILLED. WE'RE SEEING MANUFACTURING MOVE 21:05:34 OFFSHORE BECAUSE OF A TRADE DEAL THAT WE SIGNED WITH THE 21:05:37 REST OF THE WORLD ALLOWS ALL OF OUR EXPORTS TO BE TAXED TWICE 21:05:40 WHILE THEIR EXPORTS TO US ARE NOT TAXED AT ALL. 21:05:43 THE ONLY WAY THAT WE CAN EVEN COME CLOSE TO LEVELING THAT 21:05:47 PLAYING FIELD IS TO ELIMINATE MANUFACTURING TAXES. 21:05:50 SO ELIMINATE ALL TAXES ON AMERICANS WHO WILL STAY IN THE 21:05:54 UNITED STATES AND MAKE PRODUCTS AND HIRE AMERICAN WORKERS. 21:05:57 >> GOVERNOR. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 21:05:59 I'M EXCITED ABOUT THIS QUESTION BECAUSE I WAS GOVERNOR OF 21:06:03 WISCONSIN AND VETOED 1,900 ITEMS, 1,900 TIMES REDUCED 21:06:08 TAXES 16.4 BILLION, THE BIGGEST PROBLEM WE'VE GOT IN AMERICA IS 21:06:14 THE ALTERNATIVE MINIMUM TAX THAT'S BRINGING MORE MIDDLE 21:06:17 INCOME IN. LET'S PUT IT IN AND HAVE THE 21:06:19 PEOPLE HAVE A FLAT TAX AND HAVE THE OPTION OF PAYING WHICHEVER 21:06:22 IS LEAST. >> SENATOR MCCAIN. 21:06:24 >> I GIVE THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES THE LINE-ITEM 21:06:27 VETO ON THESE BILLS AS WELL AS SPENDING BILLS. 21:06:30 THE ALTERNATIVE MINIMUM TAX IS OBVIOUSLY EATING AMERICANS 21:06:33 ALIVE AND IT'S GOT TO BE REPEELED. 21:06:36 ANOTHER ONE THAT I THINK IS IMPORTANT IS A TAX CREDIT FOR 21:06:40 PEOPLE TO BE ABLE TO PURCHASE HEALTH INSURANCE. 21:06:43 LOW INCOME AMERICANS WILL HAVE ACCESS TO HEALTH CARE WHICH IS 21:06:46 AN AMAZING AND DIFFICULT PROBLEM TODAY AND SIMPLER 21:06:50 FLATTER FAIR TAX SO AMERICANS DON'T HAVE TO SPENT $140 21:06:55 BILLION AS THEY JUST DID LAST APRIL TO PREPARE THEIR TAX 21:07:00 RETURNS. >> WELL, IN MY FIRST WEEK, I 21:07:01 ALREADY GOT RID OF THE INCOME TAX. 21:07:04 MY SECOND WEEK, I WOULD GET RID OF THE INFLATION TAX, A TAX 21:07:07 THAT NOBODY TALKS ABOUT. WE LIVE WAY BEYOND OUR MEANS 21:07:10 WITH A FOREIGN POLICY WE CAN'T AFFORD AND A SYSTEM THAT WE 21:07:14 HAVE ENCOURAGED. WE PRINT MONEY FOR IT. 21:07:16 THE VALUE OF THE MONEY GOES DOWN AND POOR PEOPLE PAY HIGHER 21:07:20 PRICES. THAT IS A TAX. 21:07:21 THAT'S A TRANSFER OF WEALTH OF THE POOR TO WALL STREET. 21:07:27 THE INFLATION IS EATING AWAY AT THE MIDDLE CLASS OF THIS 21:07:30 COUNTRY. WE NEED TO GET RID OF THE 21:07:32 INFLATION TAX WITH SOUND MONEY. >> MAYOR. 21:07:34 >> WE HAVE TO ADJUST THE A.M.T., THAT HAS TO BE REDUCED. 21:07:38 WE HAVE TO GET RID OF THE DEATH TAX WHICH IS GOING TO GO TO 21:07:42 ZERO IN 2010 WHICH IS GOING TO CREATE AN INCENTIVE, I CAN'T 21:07:46 IMAGINE WHAT KIND IT'S GOING TO CREATE. 21:07:48 IT'S GOING TO ZEROO AND 2011 IT'S GOING TO 55% AND THE TAX 21:07:53 CUTS THAT WENT INTO EFFECT REMAINS. 21:07:56 WE'RE GOING TO HAVE ONE OF THE BIGGEST TAX INCREASES IN 21:07:58 HISTORY IN 2011. I WOULD LOOK TO TRY TO 21:08:04 REGULARIZE THE RATES AND LOOK FOR SOME REDUCTION BEYOND WHAT 21:08:08 WE'RE DOING RIGHT NOW. >> FOR ALL OF THE REASONS 21:08:11 MENTIONED, I SUPPORT THE FAIR TAX, IT'S ACCOMPANIED WITH THE 21:08:15 REPEAL OF THE 16TH AMENDMENT. WE END UP WITH A CONSUMPTION 21:08:19 TAX AND AN INCOME TAX AND ALL THIS TALK ABOUT VETOING 21:08:23 SPENDING BILLS AND HOW THAT'S GOING TO SOLVE OUR PROBLEM, LET 21:08:26 ME TELL YOU, YOU CAN VETO ALL OF THE SPENDING BILLS YOU WANT. 21:08:30 YOU WILL NOT TOUCH THE DEFICIT UNTIL YOU ACTUALLY DEAL WITH 21:08:33 THE STRUCTURAL PROBLEM IN MANDATORY SPENDING. 21:08:35 THAT'S WHERE ALL THE MONEY IS. YOU CAN VETO EVERY ONE OF THE 21:08:38 BILLS THAT COME TO YOU AS DISCRETIONARY FUNDING INCLUDING 21:08:43 THE MILITARY. IT IS IN FACT MANDATORY 21:08:45 SPENDING THAT HAS TO BE DEALT WITH OR FORGET THE IDEA OF 21:08:50 DEFICIT SPENDING. >> SENATOR MCCAIN, YOU SAID YOU 21:08:53 PLAN TO POISON A DEMOCRAT TO THE MAJOR CABINET POINT. 21:08:59 TELL US NAMES. YOU GIVE BONUS POINTS IF YOU 21:09:04 SAY OTHER THAN JOE LIEBERMAN. >> THERE MUST BE OTHERS. 21:09:06 >> THERE ARE OTHERS WHO ARE QUALIFIED. 21:09:09 THERE ARE MANY AMERICANS WHO ARE INDEPENDENTS OR DEMOCRATS 21:09:13 OR REPUBLICANS, WHATEVER THEY ARE WHO ARE HIGHLY QUALIFIED 21:09:16 AND I'LL TELL YOU WHAT. I'D GO TO CORPORATE AMERICA. 21:09:19 I'D GO TO SILICON VALLEY AND I'D GO TO JOHN WHO HAS MADE HIS 21:09:26 MONEY, COME AND SERVE OUR COUNTRY. 21:09:29 I DON'T CARE IF THESE PEOPLE WITH THIS GREAT TALENT THAT 21:09:33 HAVE MADE THE PEOPLE A LEADER, I GO TO THESE PEOPLE NOW COME 21:09:36 AND SERVE YOUR COUNTRY AND MY FIRST PRIORITY WOULD BE THEIR 21:09:40 TALENTS AND WHAT THEY CAN CONTRIBUTE RATHER THAN WHAT 21:09:43 THEIR PARTY IDENTIFICATION IS. WE NEED TO COME TOGETHER MORE. 21:09:47 I KNOW HOW TO REACH ACROSS THE AISLE TO THE DEMOCRATS AND THEY 21:09:50 KNOW HOW TO REACH ACROSS THE AISLE FOR ME. 21:09:52 I'VE BEEN DOING IT FOR A LONG TIME. 21:09:54 >> TIME FOR OUR FINAL INTERACTIVE SEGMENT OF THE 21:09:56 PROGRAM AND THE DEBATE. JIM VANDEHEI. 21:10:00 >> CONGRESSMAN HUNTER, RYAN FROM LOS ANGELES WANTS YOU TO 21:10:03 NAME ONE THING THAT THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT DOES REALLY WELL AND 21:10:05 ONE THING THAT IT DOES POORLY. >> REALLY WELL, PRECISION 21:10:12 MUNITIONS ON THE SAFE HOUSE. REALLY POORLY. 21:10:15 SECURE THE BORDER. THE BORDER IS 2,000 MILES OF A 21:10:19 VERY POROUS AREA WHERE HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE COME 21:10:22 ACROSS ON AN ANNUAL BASIS AND LAST YEAR WE HAD 155,000 FOLKS 21:10:27 WHO CAME ACROSS FROM MEXICO WHO WERE FROM OTHER COUNTRIES IN 21:10:31 THE WORLD, SOME FROM CHINA, SOME FROM IRAN, WE HAVE TO 21:10:35 SECURE THE BORDER. THAT'S THE BIGGEST FAILURE OF 21:10:38 THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT. >> SENATOR MCCAIN, THIS COMES 21:10:41 FROM A POLITICO.COM READER AND WAS AMONG THE TOP VOTE GETTERS. 21:10:45 THEY WANT A YES OR NO. DO YOU BELIEVE IN EVOLUTION? 21:10:49 >> YES. >> I'M CURIOUS, IS THERE 21:10:51 ANYBODY ON THE STAGE THAT DOES NOT BELIEVE IN EVOLUTION? 21:10:56 >> MAY I JUST ADD TO THAT, I BELIEVE IN EVOLUTION BUT I ALSO 21:11:00 BELIEVE WHEN I HIKE THE GRAND CANYON AND SEE A SUNSET THAT 21:11:04 THE HAND OF GOD IS THERE ALSO. >> GOVERNOR ROMNEY, ROBERT FROM 21:11:10 MARYLAND WANTS TO KNOW WHICH CABINET OFFICIAL WOULD BE AT 21:11:13 THE TOP OF THE LIST OF THOSE YOU WOULD LIKE TO CARRY INTO 21:11:15 YOUR ADMINISTRATION IF YOU'RE ELECTED? 21:11:17 >> WELL MY GUESS IT WOULD BE AN ENTIRELY NEW TEAM. 21:11:20 YOU WANT TO BUILD A GROUP OF PEOPLE WHO ARE EXCITED ABOUT 21:11:23 THE FUTURE AND WHAT I WANT TO DO IS TO SEE THAT WE STRENGTHEN 21:11:28 OUR MILITARY, THE ECONOMY AND THE AMERICAN FAMILY. 21:11:31 THAT'S THE HEART OF THE REPUBLICAN PARTY, THE AMERICAN 21:11:35 FAMILY. THE FAMILY IS SEEING AN 21:11:36 EXPLOSION IN OUT OF WEDLOCK BIRTHS. 21:11:38 WE HAVE GREAT SINGLE MOMS DOING THEIR BEST BUT WE HAVE TO 21:11:41 ENCOURAGE MOM'S AND DADS BECAUSE THE CRITICAL WORK FOR 21:11:44 THE FUTURE OF MARK IS THE WORK THAT GOES ON IN THE FOUR WALLS 21:11:48 OF THE HOME. WE HAVE TO HELP THE FAMILY AND 21:11:51 GET MORE MARGESE BEFORE BABIES. >> MAYOR GIULIANI, THIS COMES 21:11:55 FROM ERIC TAYLOR FROM CALIFORNIA, HE WANTS TO KNOW 21:11:59 WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A SUNNI AND SHI'IA MUST LEM. 21:12:03 >> THE DIFFERENCE IS DESCENDANT OF HOMEDE. 21:12:10 THEY BELIEVE THAT IT SHOULD BE SELECTED AND THE SUNNIS BELIEVE 21:12:15 IT SHOULD BE DID I DESCENT. THERE WAS A SLAUGHTER OF 21:12:20 SHIITES IN THE EARLY PART OF THE HISTORY OF ISLAM AND IT IS 21:12:27 FORTUNATE. >> GOVERNOR GILMORE A 21:12:29 POLITICO.COM READER SAYS YOU CLAIM TO BE THE ONLY REAL 21:12:31 CONSERVATIVE IN THIS RACE. THEY WANT TO YOU EXPLAIN WHY 21:12:34 NONE OF THE OTHER CANDIDATES DESERVE THE LABEL THEMSELVES AS 21:12:37 I TRUE CONSERVATIVE? >> I'VE NOT SAID I'M THE ONLY 21:12:40 CONSERVATIVE IN THE RACE. I AM A CONSISTENT SEVERT, THE 21:12:44 ONE THAT YOU CAN COUNT ON. SOMEONE ISN'T GOING TO SAY ONE 21:12:48 THING ONE YEAR AND ANOTHER THING ANOTHER YEAR AND FLIP AND 21:12:52 FLOP AND CHANGE AROUND. I RAN AS A CONSERVATIVE. 21:12:54 I GONCHEDE AS A CONSERVATIVE. I WAS AN ALTERNATIVE DELEGATE 21:12:57 FOR RONALD REAGAN TO THE KANSAS CITY CONVENTION BACK IN 1976 SO 21:13:02 I'VE BEEN CONSISTENT ALL THROUGHOUT AND I'M SOMEONE THAT 21:13:05 PEOPLE CAN COUNT ON AS A CONSERVATIVE. 21:13:07 >> CONGRESSMAN PAUL, KERRY FROM CONNECTICUT ASKS DO YOU TRUST 21:13:14 THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA? >> SOME OF THEM. 21:13:16 BUT I TRUST THE INTERNET A LOT MORE AND I TRUST THE FREEDOM OF 21:13:22 EXPRESSION AND THAT'S WHY WE SHOULD NEVER INTERFERE WITH THE 21:13:25 INTERNET. THAT'S WHY I'VE NEVER VOTED TO 21:13:28 REGULATE THE INTERNET EVEN WHEN THERE IS THE TEMPTATION TO PUT 21:13:31 BAD THINGS ON THE INTERNET, REGULATION OF BAD AND GOOD ON 21:13:34 THE INTERNET SHOULD BE DONE DIFFERENTLY. 21:13:36 BUT THERE IS EVERY REASON TO BELIEVE THAT WE HAVE ENOUGH 21:13:39 FREEDOM IN THIS COUNTRY TO HAVE FREEDOM OF EXPRESSION. 21:13:41 THAT IS WHAT IS IMPORTANT. AND WHETHER OR NOT WE TRUST THE 21:13:43 MAINSTREAM OR NOT, I THINK YOU PICK OR CHOOSE. 21:13:46 THERE ARE SOME FRIENDS AND SOME AREN'T SO FRIENDLY. 21:13:50 >> SENATOR BROWNBACK, A READER WANTS TO KNOW IF YOUR PERSONAL 21:13:55 RELIGIOUS BELIEFS INFLUENCE YOUR FOREIGN POLICY THINKING? 21:13:58 >> I THINK PERSONAL BELIEFS OF EVERYONE SHAPE EVERYONE. 21:14:02 WE HAVE VALUES AND IT'S TAKEN IN AND TAKEN FORWARD. 21:14:05 I'VE SERVED ON THE INTERNATIONAL RELATIONS 21:14:07 COMMITTEE, I'VE WORKED ON THESE ISSUES. 21:14:09 I'VE CARRIED BILLS CONCERNING SUDAN AND CONGO AND NORTH KOREA 21:14:14 AND IRAN AND IRAQ. I WOULDN'T SAY IT DOMINATES IT 21:14:18 BUT I WOULD SAY IT INFLUENCES IT AS IT DOES FOR EVERYONE AND 21:14:21 I'VE GOT A CONSISTENT RECORD HERE OF AN AGGRESSIVE, CLEAR, 21:14:26 COMPASSION NATE FOREIGN POLICY THAT I THINK IS KEY. 21:14:28 IT'S GOING TO BE KEY FOR A FUTURE PRESIDENT AND MY 21:14:31 PRESIDENCY WILL HAVE A STRONG AGGRESSIVE FOREIGN POLICY. 21:14:34 >> MAYOR GIULIANI, WHAT DO YOU CONSIDER TO BE YOUR MOST 21:14:40 SIGNIFICANT WEAKNESS AS A CANDIDATE FOR THE PRESIDENT OF 21:14:42 THE UNITED STATES? >> I DON'T KNOW. 21:14:50 I THINK MY STRENGTHS OUTWEIGH MY WEAKNESSES, I HAVE PLENTY OF 21:14:53 WEAK NOTICED AND I WORK ON THEM BUT I THINK I'M A PERSON WHO IS 21:14:57 A OPTIMIST I LOOK AT THE HALF FULL GLASS RATHER THAN THE HALF 21:15:01 EMPTY GLASS. THE ONLY WAY YOU COULD TURN 21:15:03 AROUND THE CITY OF NEW YORK CITY THAT WAS CONSIDERED THE 21:15:06 CRIME CAPITAL OF AMERICA IS TRYING TO BRING IN THAT RONALD 21:15:11 REAGAN OPTIMISM AND LOOKED TO TRY TO CREATE RESULTS THAT 21:15:13 PEOPLE THOUGHT WERE IMPOSSIBLE AND WE DID. 21:15:17 >> SENATOR BRONBACK DO YOU FIND ANY FOULTS IN MAYOR GIULIANI? 21:15:22 I SAW YOU LOOK AT HIM WAITING FOR HIM TO SAY SOMETHING? 21:15:26 >> NO, I DON'T. I THINK THE AUDIENCE WILL SEE 21:15:30 THIS IS A SET OF QUALITY CANDIDATES. 21:15:32 THAT'S WHAT I LOVE ABOUT THIS IS WE'VE GOT A CHANCE TO DEBATE 21:15:34 IDEAS. AND WE WENT AS A PARTY WHEN WE 21:15:36 RUN ON IDEAS, BIG IDEAS AND PRINCIPALS AND YOU'RE SEEING 21:15:41 THESE ARTICULATED HERE AND THAT'S WHY WE'RE GOING TO WIN 21:15:43 IN 2008. IT'S ON PRINCIPALS AND IDEAS 21:15:45 AND BIG IDEAS HOW WE LEAD. >> THANK YOU. 21:15:48 GOVERNOR HUCKABEE, THIS QUESTION COMES FROM A READER IN 21:15:50 NEW YORK. IN LIGHT OF THE SCANDALS 21:15:53 PLAGUING THE CURRENT ADMINISTRATION AND ITS ALLIES 21:15:55 INVOLVING CORRUPTION AND CRONYISM, WHICH MISTAKES HAVE 21:15:58 YOU LEARNED NOT TO REPEAT? NO MOST IMPORTANT THING A 21:16:03 PRESIDENT NEEDS TO DO IS MAKE IT CLEAR THAT WE'RE NOT GOING 21:16:05 TO CONTINUE TO SEE JOBS SHIPPED OVERSEAS, JOBS THAT ARE LOST BY 21:16:10 AMERICAN WORKERS, MANY IN THEIR 50'S WHO HAVE WORKED TO MAKE A 21:16:14 COMPANY RICH AND THEN WATCH AS A C.E.O. TAKES $100 MILLION 21:16:19 BONUS TO JETTISON THOSE AMERICAN JOBS SOMEWHERE ELSE 21:16:24 AND THE WORKER NOT ONLY LOSES HIS JOB BUT HIS PENSION. 21:16:27 THAT'S CRIMINAL. IT'S WRONG, AND IF REPUBLICANS 21:16:29 DON'T STOP IT, WE DON'T DESERVE TO WIN IN 2008. 21:16:34 >> CONGRESSMAN TANCREDO, THIS READER REQUESTS A YES OR NO 21:16:38 ANSWER. WILL YOU WORK TO PROTECT 21:16:40 WOMEN'S RIGHTS IN FAIR WAGES AND REPRODUCTIVE CHOICE? 21:16:44 >> I WILL WORK TO PROTECT WOMEN'S RIGHTS. 21:16:48 THE REPRODUCTIVE CHOICE PART OF THAT IF I HEARD YOU CORRECTLY 21:16:51 IS IN REFERENCE TO ABORTION, THE RIGHT TO KILL ANOTHER 21:16:55 PERSON IS NOT A RIGHT THAT I WOULD AGREE WITH AND SUPPORT. 21:17:00 >> GOVERNOR THOMPSON, HOW MANY AMERICAN SOLDIERS HAVE LOST 21:17:07 THEIR LIVES IN THE IRAQ WAR AND HOW MANY HAVE BEEN INJURED TO 21:17:11 DATE? >> THERE HAS BEEN OVER 3,000 21:17:12 WHO HAVE LOST AND SEVERAL THOUSANDS HAVE BEEN INJURED AND 21:17:16 THE TRUTH OF THE MATTER IS THAT WE HAVE TO DO EVERYTHING WE 21:17:19 POSSIBLY CAN TO GIVE OUR TROOPS THE NECESSARY DOLLARS, THE 21:17:23 RESOURCES, THE WEAPONS, AND THE ARMED FORCES IN ORDER TO 21:17:26 PROTECT THEMSELVES. IT'S A BOND THAT EVERY AMERICAN 21:17:29 HAS WITH OUR ARMED FORCES. ANYTIME AN AROUND SOLDIER IS IN 21:17:34 HARM'S WAY WE HAVE TO DO EVERYTHING TO PROTECT THEM. 21:17:38 >> WE'RE AT THE LAST ROUND. IT'S 30-SECOND RESPONSES. 21:17:42 START WITH MAYOR GIULIANI. SOMETHING WE COME OUT FOR, I 21:17:44 WANT YOU TO EXPLAIN AND DEFEND IT. 21:17:47 A NATIONAL TAMPER PROOF I.D. CARD. 21:17:50 >> THAT'S CRITICAL TO HAVING IMMIGRATION SECURITY. 21:17:53 EVERY SINGLE PERSON WHO COMES IN SHOULD BE IDENTIFIED SHOULD 21:17:56 BE IN A DATABASE BASE, I PROBABLY HAVE THE MOST 21:18:00 EXPERIENCE IN DEALING WITH SECURITY. 21:18:01 I HAD TO TAKE A CITY THAT HAD A LOT CRIME AND REDUCE IT. 21:18:06 SO THE VERY BEST WAY TO SENSIBLY CREATE SECURITY IS TO 21:18:12 HAVE A TAMPER PROOF CARD AND A DATABASE AND BACK UP FROM 21:18:16 THERE. HOW DO WE GET THERE THAT WOULD 21:18:19 HAVE A TECHNOLOGICAL FENCE, HAVING PEOPLE COMING FORWARD 21:18:23 WHO ARE PAYING TAXES OR WANT TO PAY TAXES. 21:18:26 GOD BLESS THEM. >> I HAD THE OCCASION FOLLOWING 21:18:33 THE GREAT DISASTER OF 9/11 TO HELP ORGANIZE THE WINTERER 21:18:38 GAMES BRING PEOPLE TOGETHER IN SLARKS SALT LAKE CITY AND BRING 21:18:46 LAW ENFORCEMENT ALL OVER THE COUNTRY, COORDINATE THEM IN A 21:18:48 WAY THAT WE COULD COMMUNICATE WITH EACH OTHER. 21:18:51 AS WE DEAL WITH IMMIGRATION HAVING A NATIONAL SPECIAL CARD 21:18:54 THAT INDICATES A PERSON'S NAME, DATE, BIRTH DATE, BUY GRAPHIC 21:18:59 INFORMATION AND AN INDICATION OF THEIR WORK STATUS WILL TELL 21:19:04 US THAT INFORMATION. >> IS SOMEONE AGAINST THIS ON 21:19:08 GROUNDS? >> I DON'T THINK THIS IS THE 21:19:09 WAY TO GO AND I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO GO THIS WAY. 21:19:13 I'VE BEEN WORKING ON THESE IMMIGRATION ISSUES. 21:19:15 WE NEED TO SECURE THE BORDER WITH A FENCE AND THEN 21:19:18 INTERIORWISE WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT SOCIAL SECURITY 21:19:22 NUMBER MEANS SOMETHING. >> HOW IS THAT DIFFERENT THAN A 21:19:25 NATIONAL I.D. CARD IF IT WORKS? >> WE DON'T NEED A NEW SYSTEM 21:19:29 OR I.D. CARD. >> SENATOR MCCAIN ARE YOU FOR 21:19:32 TAMPER PROOF I.D. CARDS? >> THAT'S ONE OF THE 21:19:37 RECOMMENDATIONS OF THE 9/11 COMMISSION. 21:19:38 AND IF SOMEONE WANTS TO WORK, THEY NEED A DOCUMENT THAT IS 21:19:41 TAMPER PROOF AND ANY EMPLOYER WHO EMPLOYEES SOMEBODY ELSE 21:19:47 WITH A FALSE CARD OR CERTIFICATE SHOULD BE 21:19:49 PROSECUTED TO THE FULLEST EXTENT OF THE LAW. 21:19:52 >> DR. PAUL. >> I'M OPPOSED TO IT. 21:19:54 THIS IS A TOTAL CONTRADICTION OF WHAT A FREE SOCIETY IS ALL 21:19:57 ABOUT. THE PURPOSE OF GOVERNMENT IS TO 21:20:00 PROTECT THE SECRECY AND THE PRIVACY OF ALL INDIVIDUALS, NOT 21:20:04 THE SECRECY OF GOVERNMENT. WE DON'T NEED A NATIONAL I.D. 21:20:08 CARD. >> MR. TANCREDO, DO YOU AGREE 21:20:11 WITH THE NATIONAL TAMPER PROOF I.D. CARD? 21:20:14 >> I DO NOT THINK IT MUCH FOR THE SAME REASONS THAT DR. PAUL 21:20:17 SAID. WE NEED A VERIFIABLE SOCIAL 21:20:20 SECURITY CARD. THEY ARE TWO SEPARATE THINGS. 21:20:22 WE CAN ACCOMPLISH THE FORMER WITHOUT JAPAN DIESING RIGHTS. 21:20:29 >> -- JEOPARDIZING RIGHTS. >> LET ME GO THAT IT WOULD BE 21:20:36 PASSING AND DECIDED IN THE NEXT SEVERAL MONTHS. 21:20:38 THIS ISN'T AS MUCH FUN AS CUTTING TAXES. 21:20:42 DO YOU THINK SCOOTER LIBBY SHOULD BE PARDONED? 21:20:45 >> GOVERNOR. >> I DON'T THINK SOMEBODY WHO 21:20:47 IS RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT LET ALONE SOMEONE WHO IS PRESIDENT 21:20:49 SHOULD MAKE THAT DECISION UNTIL THE JUDICIAL PROCESS IS 21:20:53 COMPLETE. I CAN TELL YOU THAT I THINK IT 21:20:55 WAS OUTRAGEOUS FOR THE PROSECUTOR KNOWING THAT SCOOTER 21:20:58 LIBBY WAS NOT THE SOURCE OF THE LEAK TO INTERVIEW HIM, 21:21:01 GATHERING INFORMATION AND SETTING UP A CASE, IT WAS 21:21:05 PROSECUTORIAL INDISCRETION. THE NATIONAL I.D. CARD IS FOR 21:21:09 ALIENS, NOT FOR CITIZENS. IT'S FOR THOSE WHO COME HERE 21:21:12 OUTSIDE THE COUNTRY. >> MAYOR, YOU WANT IT FOR 21:21:15 EVERYONE? >> I'M TALKING ABOUT PEOPLE 21:21:18 COMING INTO THE UNITED STATES. >> THAT WILL BE INTERESTING HOW 21:21:22 THAT IS. LET ME GO TO SENATOR, DO YOU 21:21:25 THINK SCOOTER LIBBY SHOULD BE -- 21:21:27 >> LET THE LEGAL PROCESS MOVE FORWARD AND I LEAVE THAT UP TO 21:21:30 PRESIDENT BUSH. >> THE JUDGE IS GOING TO RULE 21:21:31 ON THAT CASE NEXT MONTH AND DECIDE WHETHER HE WILL BE 21:21:35 IMPRISONNED DURING HIS APPEAL? >> I'D LEAVE THAT UP TO THE 21:21:39 PRESIDENT. AT THE END OF THE TERM HE 21:21:41 DECIDES TO LET HIM OUT. >> YOU DON'T ENCOURAGE HIM TO 21:21:45 APPEAL? >> I WOULD SEE WILLINGNESS TO 21:21:47 GO EITHER WAY ON THIS BECAUSE THE UNDERLYING FACTS ON THIS 21:21:51 CASE ARE THERE WAS NOT A LAW THAT WAS VIOLATED. 21:21:54 THEY'RE SAYING IS OK, YOU DIDN'T REMEMBER RIGHT AND 21:21:57 THAT'S WHAT YOU WERE BEING PROSECUTED AND FOUND GUILTY 21:22:01 FOR. >> DO NO PORTIONS SO FAR. 21:22:03 >> NOT YET. >> I THINK WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH 21:22:08 THESE PAPERS WITH RESPECT TO ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS, NOT WITH 21:22:11 RESPECT TO ALL AMERICANS. WE SHOULD NOT HAVE A NATIONAL 21:22:14 I.D. CARD. WE SHOULD HAVE THAT DIFFUSE 21:22:16 ACROSS THE STATES. WITH RESPECT TO SCOOTER LIBBY I 21:22:19 WAS AN ELECTED PROSECUTOR, I HANDLED MANY CASES MYSELF AND 21:22:22 MANAGED OTHERS. THE LAW HAS TO APPLY WITHIN THE 21:22:25 DISCRETION OF THE PROSECUTOR. IF A PRESIDENT IS GOING TO 21:22:29 EXERCISE, WHICH I HAVE BY THE WAY DONE MYSELF AS A CHIEF 21:22:33 EXECUTIVE PARTS, IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE AS HIGH PROFILE 21:22:36 AS IT IS, YOU GO TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE AND MAKE YOUR 21:22:39 CASE AS TO WHY THAT KIND OF DISCRETION OUGHT TO BE APPLIED. 21:22:41 IF YOU CAN'T MAKE THAT CASE, HE SHOULDN'T DO IT. 21:22:44 >> YOU DON'T WANT ANOTHER MARK RICH? 21:22:47 >> WHAT? >> NEVER MIND. 21:22:49 DOES ANYONE WANT TO RAISE HIS HAND AND SAY PARDON HIM? 21:22:56 OK >> THERE R-TWO PEOPLE SERVING 21:23:02 PRISON TIME FOR ACTUALLY DOING THEIR TIMETONNED BORDER. 21:23:05 >> DR. PAUL, DO YOU WANT TO PARDON HIM. 21:23:08 >> HE DOESN'T IMMEDIATE A PARDON. 21:23:12 HE WAS INSTRUMENTAL IN THE MISINFORMATION THAT LET THE 21:23:14 CONGRESS AND THE PEOPLE TO SUPPORT A WAR THAT WE DIDN'T 21:23:17 NEED TO BE IN. >> LET ME ASK YOU A QUESTION 21:23:20 WHICH HAS GRABBED A LOT OF AMERICAN'S PERSONALLY. 21:23:23 THE SHIVEO CASE. IT WAS A QUESTION WHETHER THE 21:23:27 UNITED STATES SHOULD HAVE INTERVENED AND PASSED A LAW TO 21:23:29 ADVISE THE APPELLATE COURT WHETHER TO ACT OR NOT. 21:23:34 SHOULD CONGRESS HAVE ACTED OR LET THE FAMILY MADE THE 21:23:38 DECISION? >> I THINK WE SHOULD GENERALLY 21:23:41 LET THE FAMILY MAKE THE DECISION OF THIS NATURE. 21:23:42 >> THE HUSBAND SHOULD HAVE DECIDED. 21:23:44 >> GENERALLY WE SHOULD MAKE THAT DECISION AND THE CASE HERE 21:23:46 THE COURTS DECIDED WHAT THEY THOUGHT WAS THE RIGHT THING TO 21:23:50 DO AND JEB BUSH AND THE LEGISLATURE DID THE THING BUT 21:23:56 THE DECISION OF CONGRESS GETTING INVOLVED WAS A MISTAKE. 21:23:58 THE CONGRESS'S JOB IS TO MAKE SURE THAT LAWS ARE RESPECTING 21:24:02 THE SANCTITY OF LIFE BUT TO ADD JUDE INDICATE A CASE LIKE THIS, 21:24:07 IT SHOULD BE DOWN BY THE GOVERNOR. 21:24:09 >> SHOULD CONGRESS HAVE BEEN INVOLVED? 21:24:11 >> YES, IT SHOULD HAVE AND IT GAVE HER THE RIGHT AND THE 21:24:13 FAMILY THE RIGHT TO TAKE THAT APPEAL TO THE COURT. 21:24:16 THAT'S WHAT THE CONGRESS DID. AND HER LIFE IS SACRED. 21:24:20 EVEN IF IT'S THAT DIFFICULT MOMENT THAT SHE'S IN AT THAT 21:24:23 POINT IN TIME, THAT LIFE IS SACRED AND WE SHOULD STAND FOR 21:24:26 LIFE IN ALL CIRCUMSTANCES. >> SENATOR MCCAIN, WAS CONGRESS 21:24:28 RIGHT IN INTERVENING IN THAT CASE? 21:24:31 >> IT WAS A VERY DIFFICULT ISSUE. 21:24:33 ALL OF US WERE DEEPLY MOVED BY THE PICTURES AND THE DEPICTION 21:24:36 OF THIS TERRIBLE TRAGIC CASE. IN RETROSPECT, WE SHOULD HAVE 21:24:40 TAKEN SOME MORE TIME AND LOOKED AT IT MORE CAREFULLY AND 21:24:43 PROBABLY WE ACTED TOO HASTILY. >> MAYOR, WAS THAT A GOOD THING 21:24:47 FOR CONGRESS TO DO? >> THE FAMILY WAS IN DISPUTE. 21:24:49 THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE COURTS FOR. AND THE BETTER PLACE TO DECIDE 21:24:53 THAT IN A MUCH FAIRER AND A DEEPER WAY IS IN FRONT A COURT. 21:24:58 >> I WANT TO ASK YOU A QUESTION -- I WANT TO GET TO THE NEXT 21:25:02 QUESTION BECAUSE YOU CAN EXPAND ON YOUR THOUGHT AS PART OF THIS 21:25:05 ANSWER. I ASKED ABOUT RAISING TAXES AND 21:25:07 IT WAS ALMOST LIKE THE REAGAN ROUND HERE, EVERYONE WANTED TO 21:25:11 DO THAT. I'M SURE HE WAS LISTENING TO 21:25:12 THAT GOOD THOUGHT. LET ME ASK YOU ABOUT SOMETHING 21:25:15 ELSE THAT MIGHT BE A NEGATIVE IN THE UPCOMING CAMPAIGN. 21:25:19 WOULD IT BE GOOD FOR AMERICA TO HAVE BILL CLINTON BACK LIVING 21:25:23 IN THE WHITE HOUSE? >> YOU HAVE GOT TO BE KIDDING. 21:25:28 >> NO, I'M NOT. HIS WIFE IS RUNNING. 21:25:31 >> THE ONLY THING THAT I COULD THINK OF THAT WOULD BE AS BAD 21:25:34 AS THAT IS HAVE THE GANG OF THREE RUNNING THE WAR ON 21:25:38 TERROR, PELOSI, REID, AND HILLARY CLINTON. 21:25:40 SO I HAVE BEEN HONEST WOULD YOU, IT WOULD BE AN ALL OF 21:25:44 THING -- AWFUL THING FOR A LOT OF REASONS. 21:25:47 >> HILLARY CLINTON WOULD BE ELECTED NOT BECAUSE OF WHO SHE 21:25:49 IS BUT BECAUSE OF THE POLICIES THAT SHE STANDS FOR, RAISING 21:25:53 TAXES, OF NOT STANDING UP FOR LIFE OR MARRIAGE, THOSE ARE 21:25:56 WHAT WOULD BE BAD. >> GOVERNOR, BILL CLINTON BACK 21:26:00 IN THE WHITE HOUSE? >> NO, BECAUSE THAT WOULD MEAN 21:26:03 THAT HILLARY CLINTON WOULD BE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES 21:26:05 AND WHERE YOU'VE BEEN IS WHERE YOU'RE GOING TO GO AND SHE 21:26:08 TRIED TO SOCIALIZE MEDICINE IN THIS COUNTRY, A VERY BAD IDEA. 21:26:11 YOU NEED TO KEEP THAT IN THE PRIVATE SECTOR AND YET SHE SAID 21:26:14 IN THE ONLY -- >> WE HAVE A RAISOR BACK TO 21:26:19 TALK. SHOULD THEY COME BACK AND BILL? 21:26:22 >> NO ONE ON THIS STAGE KNOWS HILLARY CLINTON BETTER THAN I 21:26:25 DO AND I WILL TELL YOU IT'S NOT A GOOD IDEA TO HAVE EITHER OF 21:26:28 THEM IN THE WHITE HOUSE. >> BILL CLINTON CUT THE U.S. 21:26:32 ARMY BY ALMOST 50% IN THIS WAR AGAINST TERROR. 21:26:35 HE'S THE WRONG GUY TO HAVE IN THERE. 21:26:38 AND ON THE OTHER CASE, RONALD REAGAN SAID ON THE QUESTION OF 21:26:41 LIFE, WHEN THERE IS A QUESTION, ERR ON THE SIDE OF LIFE. 21:26:44 I THINK CONGRESS DID THE RIGHT THING. 21:26:47 >> GOVERNOR, SHOULD BILL CLINTON BACK IN THE WHITE HOUSE 21:26:50 BE GOOD FOR AMERICA? IT IS A POSSIBILITY HERE. 21:26:52 >> A BAD POSSIBILITY. NO NATIONAL I.D. AND THE 21:26:58 MEDICAL CASE SHOULD BE LEFT UP TO THE STATES AND BILL CLINTON 21:27:01 SHOULD NOT BE IN THE WHITE HOUSE AND WE CERTAINLY SHOULD 21:27:03 NOT ELECT ANY DEMOCRAT TO THE WHITE HOUSE, ONE OF US HERE 21:27:06 SHOULD BE. >> GOOD CLEAN-UP HITTING THERE. 21:27:10 SENATOR. >> NO, BECAUSE IT OBVIOUSLY 21:27:12 WOULD MEAN THAT SENATOR CLINTON IS THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED 21:27:15 STATES AND WE DON'T WANT THAT. MOST IMPORTANTLY, IT WOULD MEAN 21:27:19 THAT THE APPOINTMENT OF SUPREME COURT JUSTICES AND OTHER JUDGES 21:27:24 WOULD TAKE A SHARP TURN TO THE LEFT. 21:27:26 ONE OF OUR GREATEST PROBLEMS IN AMERICA TODAY IS JUSTICES THAT 21:27:30 LEGISLATE FROM THE BENCH, I'M PROUD THAT WE HAVE JUSTICE 21:27:33 ALITO AND ROBERTS ON THE UNITED STATES SUPREME COURT. 21:27:36 I'M VERY PROUD TO HAVE PLAYED A SMALL ROLE IN MAKING THAT 21:27:39 HAPPEN. >> DR. PAUL. 21:27:40 >> I AM KNOWN FOR STICKING TO PRINCIPAL AND NOT 21:27:44 FLIP-FLOPPING. I VOTED TO IMPEACH HIM. 21:27:48 >> MAYOR GIULIANI. >> IT WOULD MEAN THAT WE WERE 21:27:50 BACK ON DEFENSE AGAINST TERRORISM GIVEN SENATOR 21:27:53 CLINTON'S RECENT POSITIONS AND THE REALITY IS IN THE 1990'S WE 21:27:57 WERE ON DEFENSE IN DEALING WITH TERRORISM. 21:28:00 WHEN YOU HAD THIS DEBATE LAST WEEK AND ALL THE DEMOCRATS WERE 21:28:02 UP HERE, I NEVER REMEMBER THE WORDS ISLAMIC FUNDAMENTALIST 21:28:07 TERRORISM BEING SPOKEN BY ANY OF THEM. 21:28:09 >> MR. TANCREDO, LAST THOUSAND. >> I KNOW HE IS PRESENTLY 21:28:13 MEASURING THE DRAPES OVER IN THE OVAL OFFICE, BUT NO, IT'S A 21:28:18 LOUSY IDEA. >> YOU THINK HE'S MEASURING THE 21:28:21 DRAPES. LET ME START WITH THE QUESTION. 21:28:23 IF YOU WANT TO PASS, PLEASE PASS. 21:28:26 EVERY PRESIDENT IF YOU LOOK BACK WAS ELECTED TO FILL THE 21:28:29 PROBLEMS OF THE PREVIOUS PRESIDENT. 21:28:31 WE ARE CORRECTING ALL THE TIME IN THIS COUNTRY. 21:28:34 HOW WILL YOU BE DIFFERENT IN ANY WAY FROM PRESIDENT GEORGE 21:28:37 W. BUSH? >> WE'RE EACH OUR OWN PERSON. 21:28:39 WE HAVE OUR OWN VALUES. I RESPECT THE PRESIDENT'S 21:28:42 CHARACTER, HIS PASSION, HIS LOVE FOR THIS COUNTRY. 21:28:45 I BELIEVE EVERYTHING HE DOES IN THIS CAR AGAINST TERROR FLOWS 21:28:47 FROM A DESIRE TO PROTECT THE AMERICAN PEOPLE AND TO MAKE OUR 21:28:50 FUTURE SECURE. BUT I WILL GO TO WORK NOT ONLY 21:28:52 TO WIN THE WAR ON TERROR AS IT RELATES TO IRAQ AND 21:28:55 AFGHANISTAN, BUT ON A GLOBAL BASIS, NOT ONLY WITH A STRONG 21:28:59 MILITARY. WE NEED MORE TROOPS AND MORE 21:29:02 MILITARY SPENDING BUT AT THE SAME TIME WE HAVE TO STRENGTHEN 21:29:04 OUR ECONOMY AND MAKE SURE THAT SOMEBODY WHO HAS BEEN IN THE 21:29:06 PRIVATE SECTOR ALL HIS LIFE CAN PROTECT JOBS AND FINALLY 21:29:10 STRENGTHEN THE AMERICAN FAMILY. THAT'S WHAT WE GOT TO DO. 21:29:12 >> SENATOR MCCAIN. >> I WOULD NOT HAVE MISMANAGED 21:29:15 THE WAR. IT WAS BADLY MISMANAGED FOR 21:29:17 FOUR YEARS. WE A NEW STRATEGY THAT I THINK 21:29:20 AND PRAY EVERY NIGHT WILL SUCCEED. 21:29:23 I WOULD HAVE VETOED SPENDING BILL AFTER SPENDING BILL AFTER 21:29:28 PORK BARREL PROJECT IN THE TRADITION OF PRESIDENT REAGAN. 21:29:31 >> MR. GILMORE. >> CHRIS, THIS CAMPAIGN IS 21:29:34 ABOUT THE NATIONAL SECURITY OF THE UNITED STATES AND THERE ARE 21:29:36 AT LEAST FOUR THINGS THAT NEED TO BE DONE. 21:29:38 WE NEED TO BE VIGOROUS ON THE WAR ON TERROR AND WE NEED TO 21:29:41 DRAW OTHER PEOPLE ACROSS THE WORLD TO US AS WE ADDRESS IT. 21:29:44 HOMELAND SECURITY HAS GOT TO BECOME AN ENTIRE EFFORT OF AN 21:29:48 ENTIRE COMMUNITY OF THE UNITED STATES AND WE HAVE NOT YET 21:29:50 ACHIEVED THAT. >> MR. HUCKABEE WE HAVE TO 21:29:53 MOVE. >> I WANT TO GIVE EVERYONE A 21:29:55 SHOT. >> I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE 21:29:56 WENT TO A PLACE WHERE THE STATES HAD MORE POWER AND NOT 21:29:59 CENTRAL LIES IN THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT. 21:30:02 THAT'S BEEN A MISTAKE IN THIS ADMINISTRATION. 21:30:04 A HUGE MISTAKE. AND WE NEED TO HONOR THE 10TH 21:30:07 EAFMENT AND REMEMBER THAT WE ARE A NATION OF STRONG STATES 21:30:11 AND WEAK FEDERAL GOVERNMENT. >> WE WON WORLD WAR II, WORLD 21:30:18 WAR I AND THE COLD WAR. WE'RE LOSING OUR INDUSTRIAL 21:30:21 BASE THROUGH BAD TRADE POLICY RIGHT NOW. 21:30:24 CHINA IS CHEATING ON TRADE. I WOULD ENFORCE TRADE LAWS 21:30:26 THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THE PRESIDENT IS NOT DOING. 21:30:29 >> I'D PUSH MORE A POLITICAL SOLUTION ALONG WITH A MILITARY 21:30:32 SOLUTION IN IRAQ AND HERE I WOULD PUSH A THREE STATE, ONE 21:30:36 CONCURRENT SOLUTION WITH IRAQ. BAGHDAD IS THE CENTRAL CITY. 21:30:42 WE'VE GOT TO PUSH A POLITICAL SOLUTION ALONG WITH THE 21:30:45 MILITARY TO GET TO A STABLE SITUATION IN IRAQ WHICH IS OUR 21:30:48 KEY POLITICAL ISSUE OF THE DAY. >> MR. TANCREDO. 21:30:52 >> THE PRESIDENT HAS DONE MANY GOOD THINGS AND I'M PROUD OF 21:30:55 HIM FOR IT. ON A NUMBER OF ISSUES, 21:30:58 ESPECIALLY NO CHILD LEFT BEHIND, THE MEDICARE 21:31:00 PRESCRIPTION DRUG BILL, THESE THINGS WERE OVER ARCHING AND 21:31:06 REACHING FOR THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT. 21:31:07 IN TERMS OF IRAQ, IT'S TIME, YOU KNOW, FRANKLIN SAID IN 1727 21:31:12 THAT HE WANTED TO -- COULD I PLEASE -- 21:31:16 >> GOVERNOR THOMPSON PLEASE. >> I WOULD TRANSFORM THE HEALTH 21:31:20 CARE SYSTEM A LOT DIFFERENT THAN THE PRESIDENT IS TALKING 21:31:23 ABOUT. I WOULD SET UP A PEACEFUL WAY 21:31:26 TO SETTLE THE SITUATION IN IRAQ BY ALLOWING THE IRAQIS TO ELECT 21:31:30 THEIR OWN LEADERS IN THE STATES AND BE ABLE TO SPLIT THE OIL 21:31:33 REVENUES. I WOULD SET UP MEDICAL AND 21:31:41 EDUCATIONAL DIPLOMA SI TO BE INVOLVED IN OUR FOREIGN 21:31:46 RELATIONS. >> ON SEPTEMBER 11, 2001 WE 21:31:47 THOUGHT WE WERE GOING TO BE ATTACKED MANY TIMES BETWEEN 21:31:50 THEN AND NOW. WE HAVEN'T BEEN. 21:31:52 I BELIEVE WE HAD A PRESIDENT WHO MADE THE RIGHT DECISION AT 21:31:54 THE RIGHT TIME ON SEPTEMBER 20, 2001 TO PUT US ON OFFENSE 21:31:59 AGAINST TERRORISTS. HISTORY WILL REMEMBER HIM FOR 21:32:01 THAT AND WE AS REPUBLICANS SHOULD REMIND PEOPLE OF THAT. 21:32:03 >> DR. PAUL. >> I CERTAINLY WOULD CONTINUE 21:32:06 ON MY EARLIER THEME THAT FOREIGN POLICY NEEDS TO BE 21:32:10 CHANGED. MR. REPUBLICAN, REPORTER TAFT, 21:32:13 WE HAVE A STATUE OF HIM IN WASHINGTON. 21:32:18 I WOULD WORK VERY HARD TO PROTECT THE PRIVACY OF AMERICAN 21:32:21 CITIZENS BEING VERY, VERY CAUTIOUS ABOUT WARRANTLESS 21:32:23 SEARCHES AND I WOULD GUARANTEE THAT I WOULD NEVER ABUSE HABEAS 21:32:27 CORPUS. >> THIS IS HARDLY THE END OF 21:32:30 THE 2008 PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE OR EVEN THE BEGINNING OF THE 21:32:34 END BUT IT IS AT LEAST THE END OF THE BEGINNING. 21:32:36 THIS DEBATE AIRS AGAIN TONIGHT ON MSNBC AT 11:00 EASTERN TIME. 21:32:42 I'LL JOIN KEITH OLBERMANN ON MSNBC FOR A COMPLETE DEBATE 21:32:45 ANALYSIS AND COVERAGE AS THE CAMPAIGN HEADS TO THE SPIN 21:32:48 ROOM. I WANT TO THANK EVERYONE HERE, 21:32:50 ESPECIALLY MRS. RONALD REAGAN AND THE REAGAN LIBRARY. 21:32:56 [APPLAUSE] >> A FEW TRIP-UPS, A FEW 21:33:12 LAUGHS, PERHAPS FOR IRAN AND IRAQ. 21:33:14 CERTAINLY MORE IRAN THAN IRAQ THAT WE EXPECTED AND PERHAPS 21:33:18 SOME CRITICISM. >> THANKS TO THE PEOPLE OF NBC 21:33:24 NEWS AND MSNBC AND THANKS TO THE 10 REPUBLICAN PRESIDENTIAL 21:33:28 CANDIDATES HERE TONIGHT. FROM THE RONALD REAGAN 21:33:31 PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY, GOOD NIGHT. 21:33:34 [APPLAUSE] >> AND NO MATTER THE 21:33:44 CANDIDATES, NO MATTER THE PARTY, CHRIS MATTHEWS WILL 21:33:48 ALWAYS HAVE THE LAST WORD. A FEW TRIP-UPS, A FEW LAUGHS, 21:33:54 MORE IRAN THAN IRAQ PERHAPS, MORE CRITICISM BUT NOT BY NAME 21:33:58 OF PRESIDENT BUSH'S POLICIES IN IRAQ. 21:34:02 AND THOSE OPEN QUESTIONS, WHO LOOKED PRESIDENTIAL, WHO DID 21:34:05 NOT, WHO GOT THEIR POINTS ACROSS, WHO SEEMED TO BE TRYING 21:34:07 TOO HARD TO GET THEIR POINTS ACROSS. 21:34:10 YOU'VE BEEN WATCHING THE FIRST IN THE NATION REPUBLICAN 21:34:14 PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATES DEBATE HERE AT THE RONALD REAGAN IN 21:34:19 SIMI VALLEY, CALIFORNIA. CHRIS MATTHEWS WILL BE JOINING 21:34:22 US AFTER THE HANDSHAKES AND BACK SLAPS. 21:34:25 I'M KEITH OLBERMANN ABOVE THE CROWD AND ABOVE THE FRAY 21:34:29 ALONGSIDE THE "CHICAGO TRIBUNE"'S JILL AND 21:34:32 "NEWSWEEK"'S HOWARD AND WE BID YOU A GOOD EVENING FROM THE 21:34:37 LIBRARY. THERE ARE MANY OF THE HUGE 21:34:39 POINTS AND MANY EXTRAORDINARY POLICY STATEMENTS THAT WE HEARD 21:34:42 HERE, WE'LL GO THROUGH THEM THROUGH THE COURSE OF THE NEXT 21:34:45 90 MINUTES. BUT THE BIGGEST POINT, WHO 21:34:47 LOOKED PRESIDENTIAL, WHO SOUNDED PRESIDENTIAL, WHO DID 21:34:51 NOT? >> I THINK THAT RUDY GIULIANI 21:34:54 DID NOT QUITE. HE CAME IN AS THE FRONTRUNNER. 21:34:57 I THINK THIS WAS NOT A SITUATION THAT HE COULD 21:34:58 DOMINATE AND HE DIDN'T DOMINATE IT BECAUSE HE HAD TO TALK ABOUT 21:35:02 ABORTION, STEM CELL RESEARCH, A LOT OF SOCIAL ISSUES THAT HE 21:35:05 WAS NOT ON FIRM TURF WITH