HOUSE APPROPRIATIONS SUBCOMMITTEE ON COMMERCE, JUSTICE HEARING WITH ATTORNEY GENERAL ERIC HOLDER. 14:03:25 THE PLAN CALLS FOR A 5.4% BUNT INCREASE AT THE JUSTICE 14:03:29 DEPARTMENT WITH TOTAL SPENDING OF ABOUT $29 BILLION. 14:03:32 THIS IS HIVE COVERAGE ON C-SPAN3. 14:03:39 >> I WOULD LIKE TO START OFF BY RECOGNIZING JUST A FEW OF THE 14:03:44 NUMEROUS POSITIVE DEVELOPMENTS WE'VE SEEN AT THE DEPARTMENT OF 14:03:48 JUSTICE OVER THE LAST YEAR. UNDER YOUR LEADERSHIP THE 14:03:51 DEPARTMENT HAS SHOWN RENEWED COMMITMENT TO ENFORCEMENT 14:03:54 COMMISSIONS INCLUDING INTERNATIONAL ORGANIZED CRIME, 14:03:56 DRUG TRAFFICKING AND CIVIL RIGHTS. 14:03:58 YOU HAVE PLACED A NEW EMPHASIS ON FUNDING EFFECTIVE STATE AND 14:04:02 LOCAL GRANT PROGRAMS, INCLUDING THE COPS HIRING PROGRAM WHICH 14:04:07 SAVES OR CAUSED NEARLY 5,000 JOBS THROUGH THE STIMULUS 14:04:13 FUNDING PROVIDED BY THIS COMMITTEE LAST YEAR. 14:04:17 YOU'VE SEEN A NEW AND FAIRLY COMPREHENSIVE COMMITMENT BY THE 14:04:21 DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE TO BEGIN ADDRESSING THE TRULY DEPLORABLE 14:04:26 LAW ENFORCEMENT SITUATION IN INDIAN COUNTRY. 14:04:27 THIS COMMITMENT IS REFLECTED IN YOUR BUDGET REQUEST, WHICH HAS 14:04:30 INDIAN COUNTRY INCREASES ALMOST ACROSS THE BOARD. 14:04:35 WE CERTAINLY WELCOME THAT AS WE INITIATED SUCH INVESTMENTS IN 14:04:38 THIS VERY COMMITTEE LAST YEAR. FINALLY, I'VE BEEN PLEASED TO 14:04:44 SEE VIOLENT CRIME RATES HAVE CONTINUED TO DECREASE OVER THE 14:04:48 PAST TWO YEARS DESPITE CONTINUING ECONOMIC DISTRESS 14:04:50 THAT SEEMED LIKELY TO PRODUCE THE OPPOSITE RESULT. 14:04:53 TO THE EXTENT THAT THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE IS A 14:04:57 NATIONAL LAW ENFORCEMENT LEADER, YOU SHARE IN THAT SUCCESS ALONG 14:05:01 WITH YOUR STATE AND LOCAL PARTNERS. 14:05:04 WHILE WE ENJOY AND APPRECIATE THE SUCCESSES, MR. ATTORNEY 14:05:08 GENERAL, THE DEPARTMENT ALSO HAS ITS SHARE OF CHALLENGES. 14:05:12 ONE OF THE MOST VISIBLE OF THESE CHALLENGES IS THE ENORMOUS AND 14:05:16 GROWING WORKLOAD OF WHITE COLLAR CRIME CASES. 14:05:20 YOUR CURRENT LOAD OF MORTGAGE, SECURITIES AND GOVERNMENT FRAUD 14:05:25 CASES COVERS BILLIONS AND BILLIONS OF DOLLARS OF REALIZED 14:05:29 LOSSES AND YOU ONLY JUST STARTED TO SCRATCH THE SURFACE. 14:05:32 ANOTHER LOOMING ISSUE IS THE BURGEONING FEDERAL INMATE 14:05:36 POPULATION, WHICH IS INCREASINGLY OUTSTRIPPING THE 14:05:39 CAPACITY OF OUR PRISON SYSTEM. PERHAPS YOU HAVE HAD NO GREATER 14:05:45 CHALLENGE SINCE ARRIVING AT DEPARTMENT JUSTICE THAN WORKING 14:05:48 TO FULFILL THE PRESIDENT'S COMMITMENT TO CLOSE THE 14:05:51 DETENTION FACILITIES AT GUANTANAMO BAY. 14:05:54 THE PROCESS OF CLOSING GUANTANAMO ACTUALLY BEGAN UNDER 14:05:59 PRESIDENT BUSH. HE WORKED TO REDUCE THE DETAINEE 14:06:03 POPULATION BY MORE THAN 500 DETAINEES, ALL WITHOUT 14:06:07 INVOLVEMENT BY THE CONGRESS AND WITHOUT ANY PUBLICITY, 14:06:13 PUBLICALLY DISCERNIBLE PROCESS FOR CHOOSING WHOM TO RELEASE AND 14:06:17 UNDER WHAT TERMS. THIS ADMINISTRATION PLACED THAT 14:06:24 AD HOC SYSTEM ASIDE AND REPLACED IT WITH A FORMALIZED CONSISTENT 14:06:28 PROCESS FOR REVIEWING EACH DETAINEE AND DETERMINING THE 14:06:32 SAFEST, MOST APPROPRIATE DISPOSITION FOR HIM. 14:06:35 YOUR SYSTEM ENSURES THAT THE GOVERNMENT'S MILITARY, 14:06:41 INTELLIGENCE, LAW ENFORCEMENT, HOMELAND SECURITY AND DIPLOMATIC 14:06:45 COMMUNITIES HAVE REVIEWED EACH CASE AND COME TO AGREEMENT ON 14:06:49 EACH OUTCOME. I THINK HAVING SUCH A SYSTEM 14:06:51 THAT WE CAN SIT HERE AND DISCUSS TODAY IN A WAY WE NEVER COULD 14:06:57 HAVE UNDER AN AD HOC PROCESS IS AN ACHIEVEMENT IN ITS OWN RIGHT. 14:07:02 WHILE REASONABLE PEOPLE MIGHT DISAGREE ABOUT SOME OF THE 14:07:05 SPECIFIC OUTCOMES YOUR SYSTEM PRODUCED, I DON'T THINK ANYONE 14:07:09 SHOULD DISPUTE THAT THE SYSTEM ITSELF WAS WELL SEENED AND HAD 14:07:15 INTEGRITY. YOUR PROCESS ULTIMATELY PRODUCED 14:07:17 RECOMMENDATIONS TO BRING A SMALL NUMBER OF GUANTANAMO DETAINEES 14:07:21 HERE TO THE U.S. FOR PROSECUTION. 14:07:24 THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS GENERATED AN ENORMOUS AMOUNT OF DEBATE AND 14:07:29 ENGENDERED AN ENTRENCHED OPPOSITION THAT WOULD LIKE TO 14:07:33 LIMIT THE DETAINEES PROSECUTION EXCLUSIVELY TO THE MILITARY 14:07:38 SYSTEM. I SUPPORT THE REFORM MILITARY 14:07:39 COMMISSION PROCESS AND BELIEVE THERE ARE TIMES WHEN A 14:07:43 COMMISSION MAY BE THE ONLY APPROPRIATE VENUE, THE ONLY 14:07:47 APPROPRIATE FORM BASED ON CONSIDERATIONS LIKE 14:07:51 ADMISSIBILITY OF EVIDENCE OR THE NEED TO PROTECT INTELLIGENCE 14:07:55 COURSES AND METHODS, BUT THERE ARE EQUALLY VALID REASONS WHY AN 14:07:58 ARTICLE III OR CIVILIAN COURT MAY BE JUST AS NECESSARY AND 14:08:03 JUST AS APPROPRIATE. ARTICLE III TRIALS CAN BE 14:08:06 SIGNIFICANTLY SHORTER GIVEN THEIR BROADER AUTHORITY TO 14:08:08 ACCEPT GUILTY PLEAS, CERTAINLY. SOME OF OUR ALLIES WILL NOT 14:08:13 COOPERATE WITH OUR PROSECUTION EFFORTS OUTSIDE OF THE CIVILIAN 14:08:18 SYSTEM. SOME CASES PRESENT LEGAL OR 14:08:21 OPERATIONAL ISSUES THAT REQUIRE THE ACCUMULATED LEGAL PRECEDENCE 14:08:24 AND RULES OF COURTROOM PROCEDURE THAT HAD DEVELOPED OVER HUNDREDS 14:08:28 OF YEARS IN THE ARTICLE III COURTS. 14:08:32 THESE ARE THINGS THAT THE RELATIVELY NEW MILITARY 14:08:35 COMMISSION SYSTEM, NO MATTER HOW VALUABLE, SIMPLY CANNOT PROVIDE 14:08:40 RIGHT NOW. FOR THESE REASONS, I THINK IT 14:08:42 WOULD BE A MISTAKE TO CATEGORICALLY DENY THE SYSTEM. 14:09:03 TODAY THERE ARE MORE THAN 300 INTERNATIONAL OR DOMESTIC 14:09:06 TERRORISTS INCARCERATED IN CIVILIAN PRISON FACILITIES. 14:09:12 THE MILITARY COMMISSION SYSTEM BY WAY OF COMPARISON HAS 14:09:14 PRODUCED THREE PROSECUTIONS, TWO OF WHICH CAME FROM GUILTY PLEAS. 14:09:19 I THINK THE RESULTS SPEAK FOR THEMSELVES. 14:09:21 FORMER OFFICIALS FROM THE LAST ADMINISTRATION ALSO SUPPORT THE 14:09:25 CIVILIAN TRIAL OPTION AND BELIEVE THAT PRECLUDING CIVILIAN 14:09:28 TRIALS OUT OF HAND IS A DANGEROUS PROPOSAL. 14:09:32 THE DECISION ABOUT WHETHER TO TRY A CASE IN A CIVILIAN COURT 14:09:36 IS BEST LEFT TO THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE TO DETERMINE VOID OF 14:09:41 POLITICS JUST AS WHAT'S DONE IN THE PREVIOUS ADMINISTRATION. 14:09:45 I'M SURE THAT WE'LL BE DISCUSSING THESE ISSUES IN 14:09:48 DETAIL THROUGHOUT THE AFTERNOON. THERE IS ALSO A LOT OF INTEREST 14:09:51 ON ALL SIDES ABOUT THE FINAL VENUE DETERMINATION OF THE 9/11 14:09:55 TRIALS, WHICH I UNDERSTAND IS STILL UNDER CONSIDERATION. 14:09:58 WE REALLY CAN'T DISCUSS THE MERITS OF THE VENUE UNTIL IT HAS 14:10:04 BEEN DETERMINED, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO GIVE YOU AN OPPORTUNITY 14:10:07 TO EXPLAIN TO US THE UNDERLYING CRITERIA THAT ARE BEING USED TO 14:10:12 MAKE FORM AND VENUE DETERMINATIONS FOR THE ARTICLE 3 14:10:16 IN MILITARY COURTS SO THAT WE CAN UNDERSTAND THE 14:10:19 CONSIDERATIONS AND CONSTRAINTS THAT ARE INVOLVED IN THAT 14:10:24 PROCESS. IN A MOMENT WE'LL HAVE YOU 14:10:26 PROVIDE AND ORAL SUMMARY OF YOUR TESTIMONY, MR. ATTORNEY GENERAL, 14:10:31 YOUR WRITTEN STATEMENT, OF COURSE, WILL BE MADE PART OF THE 14:10:33 RECORD. BEFORE WE DO THAT, HOWEVER, I 14:10:35 WOULD LIKE TO TURN TO THE SUBCOMMITTEE'S RANKING MEMBER 14:10:39 MR. WOLF FOR ANY OPENING REMARKS WOE LIKE TO MAKE. 14:10:42 >> THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. MR. ATTORNEY GENERAL, WE WELCOME 14:10:45 YOU TO COMMITTEE AND LOOK FORWARD TO YOUR TESTIMONY. 14:10:46 THANK YOU. >> MR. ATTORNEY GENERAL? 14:11:08 >> TODAY IT IS MY PRIVILEGE TO DISCUSS THE PRESIDENT'S 14:11:11 DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE BUDGET FOR FISCAL YEAR 2011, AND TO PROVIDE 14:11:16 AN UPDATE ON THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT'S PROGRESS, TOP 14:11:20 PRIORITIES AND FUTURE PLANS. FIRST, LET ME THANK YOU FOR YOUR 14:11:24 ONGOING SUPPORT OF THE DEPARTMENT'S WORK AND YOUR 14:11:26 RECOGNITION OF ITS ESSENTIAL ROLE IN PROTECTING OUR NATION'S 14:11:30 PEOPLE, AS WELL AS OUR HIGHEST PRINCIPLES. 14:11:34 WHEN I MET WITH THIS SUBCOMMITTEE LAST APRIL, I 14:11:36 PLEDGED THAT UNDER MY LEADERSHIP THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT WOULD 14:11:42 VIGOROUSLY PURSUE A SPECIFIC AND CRITICAL SET OF OBJECTIVES, 14:11:46 COMBATTING TERRORISM, FIGHTING CRIME, ENFORCING OUR LAWS IN A 14:11:50 NEUTRAL AND IN A NONPARTISAN WAY AND REASON VIG RATING THE 14:11:55 DEPARTMENT'S COMMITMENT TO INTEGRITY, TRANSPARENCY AND 14:11:58 RESULTS. I BELIEVE WE ARE ON THE RIGHT 14:12:00 PATH TO ACHIEVING THESE GOALS, ALTHOUGH UNPRECEDENTED 14:12:04 CHALLENGES AND NEW DEMANDS HAVE EMERGED, OUR KEY PRIORITIES 14:12:09 REMAIN CLEAR IN ENSURING THE SAFETY OF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE 14:12:12 CONTINUES TO BE OUR PARAMOUNT RESPONSIBILITY. 14:12:14 OVER THE LAST YEAR, WE HAVE ENHANCED OUR NATIONAL SECURITY 14:12:19 PROGRAMS AND CAPABILITIES. WE'VE ALSO STRENGTHENED EFFORTS 14:12:22 TO PROTECT OUR ENVIRONMENT AS WELL AS OUR MOST VULNERABLE 14:12:29 COMMUNITIES. WE REINVAGUED OUR CIVIL RIGHTS 14:12:33 IN OUR WORK PLACES, VOTING BOOTHS AS WELL AS OUR BORDER 14:12:37 AREAS. PART OF OUR FOCUS ON SECURING 14:12:39 OUR ECONOMY AND COMBATTING MORTGAGE AND FINANCIAL FRAUD, 14:12:42 THE DEPARTMENT IS NOW SPEARHEADING THE FINANCIAL FRAUD 14:12:47 ENFORCEMENT TASK FORCE PRESIDENT OBAMA LAUNCHED LAST YEAR. 14:12:50 THE PRESIDENT'S BUDGET REQUEST OF $29 BILLION DEMONSTRATES A 14:12:53 STRONG COMMITMENT TO THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT'S KEY PRIORITIES. 14:12:57 LET ME ASSURE YOU THAT IN DISTRIBUTING AND USING THESE 14:13:01 FUNDS, WE WILL THINK CAREFULLY AND WE WILL THINK STRATEGICALLY 14:13:05 AND ACT TO ENSURE ACCOUNTABILITY AS WELL AS TRANSPARENCY. 14:13:09 AS YOU'VE SEEN, THE PRESIDENT'S BUDGET REQUEST $300 MILLION IN 14:13:13 PROGRAMMING INCREASES TO HELP STRENGTHEN NATIONAL SECURITY AND 14:13:16 COUNTER THE THREAT OF TERRORISM. THESE RESOURCES WILL ENABLE US 14:13:20 TO EXPAND ON THE PROGRESS WE MADE IN THE LAST YEAR. 14:13:24 DUE TO THE VIGILANCE OF OUR LAW ENFORCEMENT AND INTELLIGENCE 14:13:28 AGENCIES, WE SUCCEEDED IN IDENTIFYING AND AVERTING SOME 14:13:35 PLOTS, SOME KNOWN TO THE PUBLIC, MANY NOT, INCLUDING THE MOST 14:13:39 SEAR WRUS THREATS OF SEPTEMBER 11, 2001. 14:13:42 THREE WEEKS AGO THE MASTER MIND BEHIND THE PLOT TO BOMB THE NEW 14:13:49 YORK CITY SUBWAY SYSTEM PLED GUILTY. 14:13:51 FOUR OTHERS HAVE BEEN CHARGED AS A RESULT OF OUR INVESTIGATION. 14:13:53 THIS ATTEMPTED ATTACK ON OUR HOMELAND, ON OUR MOST POPULATED 14:14:00 CITY, WAS REAL IT WAS IN MOTION AND IT WOULD HAVE BEEN DEADLY, 14:14:05 BUT BECAUSE OF CAREFUL ANALYSIS BY OUR INTELLIGENCE AGENTS AND 14:14:09 PROMPT ACTIONS BY LAW ENFORCEMENT, WE WERE ABLE TO SHA 14:14:17 W THWART POTENTIAL DISASTER. 14:14:19 JUST LAST MONTH AGAIN IN NEW YORK CITY, A UNITED STATES 14:14:23 TRAINED PAKISTANI PHYSICIST WAS CONVICTED OF ATTEMPTED MURDER 14:14:27 AND ARMED ASSAULT. SHE HAD A CLEAR INTENT TO KILL 14:14:31 AMERICANS. AT THE TIME OF HER ARREST 14:14:33 POSSESSED DOCUMENTS THAT REFERRED TO A, QUOTE, MASS 14:14:37 CASUALTY ATTACK, UNQUOTE, AND LISTED SPECIFIC LOCATIONS, 14:14:40 INCLUDING THE EMPIRE STATE BUILDING, STATUE OF LIBERTY AND 14:14:43 THE BROOKLYN BRIDGE. LAST WEEK IN PHILADELPHIA, AN 14:14:47 AMERICAN CITIZEN WAS CHARGED WITH CONSPIRING TO PROVIDE 14:14:51 MATERIAL SUPPORT TO TERRORISTS AND TO COMMIT MURDER OVERSEAS. 14:14:55 THESE RECENT CASES REMIND US THAT TERRORIST METHODS ARE 14:15:00 EVOLVING AS ARE THE TYPES OF INDIVIDUALS INVOLVED IN 14:15:02 TERRORIST ACTIVITIES. WE FACE A SERIOUS CAPABLE AND 14:15:07 DETERMINED ENEMY IN THE WAR WE ARE FIGHTING. 14:15:12 THIS UNDERSCORES WHY THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT MUST HAVE THE 14:15:13 CAPACITY TO RESPOND EFFECTIVELY AND QUICKLY, AND OUR ACTIONS 14:15:17 OVER THE PAST YEAR, I BELIEVE, PROVIDE EVIDENCE THAT WE ARE 14:15:21 MAKING SIGNIFICANT ADVANCEMENTS IN COMBATTING THESE THREATS. 14:15:24 DESPITE THIS RECENT PROGRESS, HOWEVER, WE CANNOT BECOME 14:15:28 COMPLACENT AND WE MUST NOT AND WILL NOT LOSE FOCUS IN OUR 14:15:31 EFFORTS TO BRING TERRORISTS TO JUSTICE. 14:15:33 I REALIZE THERE ARE DIFFERENT VIEWS ON HOW BEST TO APPROACH 14:15:37 THIS WORK. THERE IS A VERY LEGITIMATE AND 14:15:40 ROBUST CONVERSATION THAT WE SHOULD HAVE ABOUT IT, BUT WE 14:15:43 CANNOT ALLOW THE POLITICS OF FEAR TO DRIVE US APART. 14:15:50 FACTS, FACTS, NOT FEAR MUST BE THE BASIS OF ALL OUR 14:15:54 DISCUSSIONS. NOW MORE THAN EVER THE AMERICAN 14:15:56 PEOPLE DESERVE THIS. AGAIN, WE ARE AT WAR. 14:15:59 WE MUST USE EVERY INSTRUMENT IN OUR POWER, INCLUDING THE FULL 14:16:03 SCOPE OF OUR MILITARY, LAW ENFORCEMENT INTELLIGENCE AND 14:16:06 DIPLOMATIC CAPABILITIES TO WIN THIS WAR. 14:16:08 IN THE PURSUIT OF VICTORY, WE MUST NOT TURN OUR BACKS ON WHAT 14:16:12 HAS MADE OUR NATION AN EXAMPLE TO ALL THE WORLD. 14:16:17 TODAY OUR CHALLENGE IS NOT ONLY TO REMAIN SAFE, BUT ALSO TO BE 14:16:21 TRUE TO OUR HERITAGE, TRUE TO OUR PRINCIPLES AND TRUE TO OUR 14:16:25 BEST SELVES. THIS IS THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT'S 14:16:27 MOST URGENT AND MOST ESSENTIAL WORK. 14:16:30 ONCE AGAIN, I THANK YOU FOR SUPPORTING US. 14:16:33 I LOOK FORWARD TO CONTINUING TO WORK WITH THIS SUBCOMMITTEE AND 14:16:36 ALSO WITH CONGRESS. I WOULD BE GLAD TO ANSWER ANY 14:16:41 QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE. >> THANK YOU, MR. ATTORNEY 14:16:45 GENERAL. I WOULD LIKE TO INFORM THE 14:16:49 SUBCOMMITTEE THAT MR. WOLF AND I WILL TAKE 20 MINUTES AT THE 14:16:54 BEGINNING OF OUR QUESTIONING. THE REST OF THE SUBCOMMITTEE ON 14:16:57 FIRST ROUND WILL HAVE TEN MINUTES THAT. 14:16:59 SHOULD GET US INTO A SECOND ROUND AND WE'LL SEE WHAT KIND OF 14:17:02 TIME WE HAVE AFTER THAT. I THINK THAT GIVES MYSELF AND 14:17:05 MR. WOLF AN OPPORTUNITY TO EXPLORE QUESTIONS AND THEN FOR 14:17:08 THE SUBCOMMITTEE LIKEWISE TO HAVE PLENTY OF TIME TO EXPLORE 14:17:14 FOLLOW-UP QUESTIONS. MR. ATTORNEY GENERAL, THANK YOU 14:17:20 FOR YOUR STATEMENT. THE PRESIDENT'S EXECUTIVE ORDER 14:17:22 ON THE CLOSURE OF THE DETENTION FACILITIES AT GUANTANAMO BAY 14:17:27 REQUIRED A REVIEW OF THE STATUS OF EACH DETAINEE IN ORDER TO 14:17:33 DETERMINE WHETHER THAT DETAINEE SHOULD BE TRANSFERRED, SHOULD BE 14:17:38 PROSECUTED OR PLACED IN CONTINUING DETENTION. 14:17:42 DOJ WAS TASKED WITH COORDINATING THAT REVIEW. 14:17:46 MR. ATTORNEY GENERAL, WHICH OTHER AGENCIES WERE INVOLVED IN 14:17:50 MAKING THE RECOMMENDATIONS AND DECISIONS ABOUT WHICH SUSPECTS 14:17:53 TO TRANSFER, WHO TO PROSECUTE AND WHO TO DETAIN? 14:17:58 >> IN THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE WE HAVE THE DEPARTMENT OF 14:18:01 DEFENSE, DEPARTMENT OF STATE, DEPARTMENT OF HOMELAND SECURITY, 14:18:03 THE OFFICE OF THE DIRECTOR OF NATIONAL INTELLIGENCE AS WELL AS 14:18:06 JOINT CHIEFS OF STAFF. >> WHEN THOSE AGENCIES ACTUALLY 14:18:14 SAT DOWN TO MAKE DECISIONS AND AFTER THE PROCESS THEY WENT 14:18:20 THROUGH TO ARRIVE AT THE DISCUSSIONS TO MAKE DECISIONS, 14:18:28 WERE THOSE VOTES UNANIMOUS? >> WHEN THE PRINCIPALS OF THOSE 14:18:33 AGENCIES MET TO MAKE FINAL DETERMINATIONS BROUGHT TO THE 14:18:36 DISCIPLINE OF THE 240 DETAIN HE'S, ALL THE DECISIONS WERE 14:18:40 UNANIMOUS. >> WHAT WERE THE CRITERIA TASK 14:18:42 FORCE MEMBERS USED IN FORMING THEIR RECOMMENDATIONS? 14:18:44 >> FIRST AND FOREMOST, WE FOCUSED ON THE NATIONAL SECURITY 14:18:49 IN TRYING TO DECIDE IF A PERSON COULD BE RELEASED AND WHERE THAT 14:18:54 PERSON MIGHT BE TRANSFERRED. NATIONAL SECURITY WAS ALWAYS OUR 14:19:00 PRIMARY CONCERN. WE LOOKED AT A PERSON'S HISTORY, 14:19:05 THE PERSON'S POSSIBILITY FOR FUTURE VIOLENCE, AND THEN ALSO 14:19:09 TO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION IN TRYING TO REPAT RIATE A CERTAIN 14:19:22 PEOPLE. IT WAS A MIX OF THOSE FACTORS 14:19:24 THAT LED TO THE DECISION WE MADE. 14:19:26 >> ARE THESE DETAINEES, DO THEY HAVE ACCESS TO HABIUS CORPUS? 14:19:36 >> YES, THEY DO. >> ALL OF THEM? 14:19:38 >> I DON'T BELIEVE ALL FILED HABIUS PETITION AT THIS POINT. 14:19:43 >> HAVE SOME DETAINEES ACTUALLY FILED HABIUS CORPUS PETITION? 14:19:49 >> SOME HAVE AND AS A RESULT HAVE BEEN RELEASED. 14:19:55 >> IN THE LAST ADMINISTRATION, THIS ADMINISTRATION, BOTH OR? 14:20:00 >> I BELIEVE THAT IS TRUE WITH REGARD TO THE LAST 14:20:04 ADMINISTRATION, AS WELL. I DON'T HAVE SPECIFIC FIGURES, 14:20:07 BUT THE HABIUS PROCESS HAS BEEN GOING ON FOR SOME TIME. 14:20:11 >> HOW ARE YOU HANDLING THESE CASES? 14:20:13 >> WE HAVE A DEDICATED, REALLY DEDICATED CREW OF LAWYERS HEADED 14:20:19 BY THE HEAD OF OUR CIVIL DIVISION TONY WEST. 14:20:24 THEY HAVE TRIED ABOUT 50 CASES AT THIS POINT, 50 HABIUS CASES. 14:20:29 WE HAVE PEOPLE THAT COME IN FROM AROUND THE COUNTRY, IN ADDITION 14:20:33 TO WASHINGTON, D.C., JUSTICE DEPARTMENT LAWYERS AND LAWYERS 14:20:36 FROM OTHER ORGANIZATIONS TO EP HELP PUT THESE CASES TOGETHER 14:20:38 AND TRY THEM BEFORE JUDGES HERE IN THE DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA. 14:20:47 >> MR. ATTORNEY GENERAL, DECIDING BETWEEN THE MILITARY 14:20:53 AND CIVILIAN FORMS FOR TRIAL, THAT HAS A LOT OF CONSTERNATION. 14:21:10 ONCE THE TASK FORCE YOU JUST DESCRIBED, ONCE THAT TASK FORCE 14:21:16 DECIDED WHICH INDIVIDUAL WOULD BE REFERRED FOR PROSECUTION AND 14:21:21 THEN THERE WAS A SUBSEQUENT PROCESS SET UP TO MAKE THE 14:21:24 CHARGING DECISIONS FOR EACH DETAINEE, THIS PROCESS HAS BEEN 14:21:28 THE SOURCE OF SOME OF THE MOST VIGOROUS GUANTANAMO RELATED TO 14:21:34 DATE. AS THERE ARE A SIGNIFICANT 14:21:38 NUMBER OF INDIVIDUALS WHO ARE OPPOSED TO EVEN THE 14:21:41 CONSIDERATION OF HOLDING DETAINEES, DETAINEE TRIALS IN 14:21:46 ARTICLE III COURTS OR CIVILIAN COURTS, THESE INDIVIDUALS 14:21:54 ABDICATE FOR HOLDING ANY OF THESE TRIALS IN A MILITARY 14:22:01 COMMISSION. JUST PAST EXPERIENCE IN PREVIOUS 14:22:05 ADMINISTRATIONS, WE HAVE HELD A NUMBER OF TERRORIST TRIALS IN 14:22:09 ARTICLE III CIVILIAN COURTS, HAVE WE NOT, THROUGH VARIOUS 14:22:14 ADMINISTRATIONS, DEMOCRATIC AND REPUBLICAN? 14:22:15 >> THAT'S TRUE. YOUR OPENING REMARKS ARE 14:22:18 ACCURATE. THERE ARE APPROXIMATELY 300 14:22:19 PEOPLE OR SO IN OUR FEDERAL PRISON SYSTEM NOW AS A RESULT OF 14:22:23 THEIR MOVEMENT THROUGH THE ARTICLE III SYSTEM, I BELIEVE, 14:22:27 IN THE LAST ADMINISTRATION ABOUT 150, 160 TRIALS OR SO IN THE 14:22:32 ARTICLE III COURTS. >> THERE IS SOME INDICATION IN 14:22:36 THE PRESS WE HAVE PICKED UP, AND I GUESS NOTHING DETERMINETIVE OF 14:22:49 THE QUESTION, BUT THE PRESIDENT MAY BE CONSIDERING THE 14:22:52 POSSIBILITY OF MOVING THE 9/11 TRIALS INTO A MILITARY SETTING. 14:22:55 IS THAT AN INDICATION OF CHANGE IN THE ADMINISTRATION'S OVERALL 14:22:59 POLICY? >> I WOULDN'T SAY SO. 14:23:08 WE REMAIN COMMITTED TO USING ALL THE TOOLS WE HAVE TO WIN THIS 14:23:12 WAR, THAT MEANS TRYING PEOPLE IN TRIBUNAL COURTS AND MILITARY 14:23:15 COMMISSIONS. MY DECISION TO TRY KHALID SHAIKH 14:23:21 MUHAMMED INDICATED FIVE OR SIX DETAINEES WERE GOING TO BE TRIED 14:23:27 IN MILITARY COMMISSIONS. SO CERTAIN CASES ARE MORE 14:23:31 APPROPRIATE IN ARTICLE III COURTS, CERTAIN IN MILITARY 14:23:35 COMMISSIONS. ONE OF THE THINGS THIS 14:23:36 ADMINISTRATION WANTS TO HOLD ON TO IS THE ABILITY TO USE OUR 14:23:40 DISCRETION TO TRY THESE DETAINEES IN THE APPROPRIATE 14:23:44 FORUMS. >> WHY SHOULD WE KEEP OPEN THE 14:23:48 OPTION OF CIVILIAN ARTICLE III PROSECUTION FOR THESE TERRORIST 14:23:55 SUSPECTS? >> THEY ARE TESTED, WE HAVE 14:24:01 TRIED A NUMBER OF THESE CASES IN ARTICLE III COURTS. 14:24:05 THEY ARE SECURE. WE TRIED THESE CASE NECESSARY A 14:24:07 SAFE MANNER. OUR ALLIES AROUND THE WORLD 14:24:15 SUPPORT US IN BRINGING THESE CASES IN ARTICLE III COURTS. 14:24:19 WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO DISRUPT AND TO DETAIN PEOPLE THROUGH THE 14:24:23 LONG SENTENCES WE GET OUT OF ARTICLE III COURTS. 14:24:32 WE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO GET COOPERATION FROM PEOPLE CHARGED 14:24:35 THERE AND WHO DO NOT WANT TO FACE LONG SENTENCES OR THE 14:24:38 PROSPECT OF SERVING SIGNIFICANT AMOUNTS OF TIME IN OUR SUPER-MAX 14:24:43 FACILITIES. WE SAW FROM ZHAZI, ABDUL 14:24:56 MUTTALAH. LASTLY, ONE OF THE THINGS YOU 14:24:57 CAN CLEARLY DO IN AN ARTICLE III COURT IS YOU CANNOT SO CLEARLY 14:25:03 DO IN A MILITARY COMMISSION IS ACCEPT A GUILTY PLEA IN A 14:25:07 CAPITAL CASE. >> THIS SEEMS TO ME LOOKING AS A 14:25:18 LAWYER, THERE ARE A LOT OF TOOLS IN A CIVILIAN COURT THAT THE 14:25:23 COURT HAS TO MANAGE, NOT ONLY JUST THE PROCESS OF THE TRIAL, 14:25:29 BUT THE DECORUM OF THE DEFENDANT. 14:25:32 THAT SEEMS TO BE A REAL CONCERN THAT DEFENDANTS IN THESE COURTS 14:25:37 TAKE OPPORTUNITY TO PROPAGANDAIZE. 14:25:41 >> THAT IS A VERY GOOD POINT AND THERE IS A MISPERCEPTION THAT 14:25:45 SOMEHOW OR ANOTHER IF WE HAVE A TRIAL IN AN ARTICLE III COURT 14:25:49 THIS WILL BECOME A FORUM FOR THESE DEFENDANTS TO SPOUT THEIR 14:25:56 HATEFUL LANGUAGE, THEIR PROPAGANDA. 14:25:59 IF ONE COMPARES THE WAY IN WHICH THESE DEFENDANTS ARE TREATED IN 14:26:02 MILITARY COMMISSIONS AS OPPOSED TO ARTICLE III COURTS, THAT IS 14:26:05 ANYTHING BUT THE TRUTH. IN THE CASE I MENTIONED BEFORE 14:26:09 INVOLVING THIS WOMAN SFRNL EDIKI, SHE WAS IN AN ARTICLE III 14:26:13 COURT IN NEW YORK CITY AND IN HER TRIAL FOR ONE DAY. 14:26:15 THE JUDGE DETERMINED SHE WAS A DISRUPTIVE INFLUENCE, THAT SHE 14:26:19 WAS TRYING TO DISRUPT THE PROCEEDINGS AND SHE WAS REMOVED 14:26:23 FROM THAT COURTROOM AND WATCHED HER OWN TRIAL FROM OUTSIDE THE 14:26:27 COURTROOM. IN MILITARY COMMISSIONS, I THINK 14:26:29 WHAT WE HAVE SEEN, CERTAINLY WITH REGARD TO KHALID SHAIKH 14:26:34 MUHAMMED, LONG SPEECHES ABOUT A WHOLE VARIETY OF NONSENICAL 14:26:41 THINGS, BUT THE JUDGES THERE DON'T FEEL AS COMFORTABLE MOVING 14:26:43 OR CLAMPING DOWN ON A DEPARTMENT TRYING TO DO THAT. 14:26:47 >> WHO IS INVOLVED IN THE PROCESS OF DECIDING WHICH 14:26:51 DETAINEES WILL BE TRIED IN A CIVILIAN COURT AND WHICH MIGHT 14:26:54 BE TRIED IN A MILITARY COMMISSION? 14:26:58 >> IT'S ULTIMATELY MY DECISION IN CONSULTATION WITH THE 14:27:01 SECRETARY OF DEFENSE. WE HAVE A PROPERTY CAL THAT WE 14:27:04 HAVE PUT TOGETHER AND THAT WE USE BECAUSE THESE ARE NATIONAL 14:27:09 SECURITY DETERMINATIONS, THE PRESIDENT IS CONSULTED, AS WELL, 14:27:13 BUT THERE IS, AS I SAID, A PROTOCOL THAT HAS BEEN WORKED 14:27:17 ON, AND THAT THE SECRETARY OF DEFENSE AND I APPLY IN MAKING 14:27:22 DETERMINATIONS. THE DECISION IS ULTIMATELY MINE, 14:27:24 BUT ALSO INVOLVES CONSULTATION WITH THE PRESIDENT. 14:27:33 >> I WOULD LIKE FOR YOU TO ELABORATE. 14:27:37 THERE MUST BE CIRCUMSTANCES WHERE IT'S THE PREPONDERANCE OF 14:27:43 YOUR CONSIDERATION OR CRITERIA YOU USE SUGGESTS AN ARTICLE III 14:27:47 COURT AND SITUATIONS WHERE A MILITARY COMMISSION WOULD BE THE 14:27:51 BEST FORUM. COULD YOU ELABORATE ON THAT A 14:27:54 LITTLE BIT? WHAT IS GOING THROUGH YOUR MIND? 14:27:56 WHAT IS THE CRITERIA BEING USED AS THESE DECISIONS ARE BEING 14:28:00 MADE AND ULTIMATELY BY YOU? >> WELL, ON THE SAME DAY I 14:28:07 ANNOUNCED THE DECISION TO TRY KHALID SHAIKH MUHAMMED IN 14:28:11 ARTICLE III COURT IN NEW YORK, I MADE THE DETERMINATION ANOTHER 14:28:16 WOULD BE TRIED IN MILITARY XHICHLGTS HE IS ONE OF THE 14:28:18 PEOPLE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE BOMBING OF THE "USS COLE." 14:28:24 A MILITARY TARGET WAS INVOLVED, CASUALTIES ARE BRAVE SAILORS, 14:28:29 MILITARY MEN, AND THAT'S ONE OF THE DISTINCTIONS THAT WE MADE. 14:28:33 THERE ARE RULES OF EVIDENCE THAT EXIST IN THE MILITARY 14:28:40 COMMISSIONS THAT ARE MORE FAVORABLE TOWARD THE ACCEPTANCE 14:28:43 OF HEARSAY EVIDENCE. YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT THESE CASES 14:28:47 INDIVIDUALLY. AND ON A CASE BY CASE 14:28:49 DETERMINATION MAKE THE DECISION AS TO WHERE THE CASE CAN BE BEST 14:28:56 TRIED. IT DOESN'T MEAN YOU'RE BEING 14:28:58 UNFAIR, I THINK, TO THE DEFENDANT. 14:29:00 SIMPLY LOOKING AT THE FORUM THAT REALLY BEST SUITS THE PARTICULAR 14:29:04 FACTS OF EACH CASE. MILITARY COMMISSIONS CERTAINLY 14:29:08 PLAY A ROLE. WITH THE MODIFICATIONS, THE 14:29:12 AMENDMENTS WE'VE DONE TO THE MILITARY COMMISSION AS COUPLE OF 14:29:16 YEARS AGO, THOSE ARE FINE PLACES WHICH THESE CASES CAN ACTUALLY 14:29:19 BE TRIED. >> WHAT ABOUT THE QUESTION OF 14:29:22 NATIONAL SECURITY CONCERNS? DOES THAT ENTER INTO THESE 14:29:23 DECISIONS? >> YEAH, ALTHOUGH I THINK NOT TO 14:29:28 THE DEGREE SOME OF THE CRITICS OF MY EARLIER DECISION HAVE 14:29:34 INDICATED. CONCERNS ABOUT THE LEAKING OF 14:29:38 INFORMATION, THE PROTECTION OF NATIONAL SECURITY SECRET SOURCES 14:29:42 AND METHODS CAN BE EQUALLY ACCOMPLISHED IN ARTICLE III 14:29:46 COURTS AS THEY CAN IN MILITARY COMMISSIONS. 14:29:47 IN FACT, THE SYSTEM THAT IS IN PLACE IN THE MILITARY 14:29:50 COMMISSIONS TO PROTECT SECRETS IS ACTUALLY BASED ON CEPA IN THE 14:30:02 ARTICLE III SYSTEM. >> HOW DO YOU RESPOND TO THE 14:30:05 ARGUMENT HOLDING TRIALS IN THE CIVILIAN COURT WILL GIVE 14:30:08 DETAINEES THAT PUBLIC FORUM. YOU REALLY HAVE ALREADY SPOKEN 14:30:12 TO THAT. IF YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE TO ADD 14:30:15 TO THAT, THAT'S BEEN A MAJOR CRITICISM, NOT ONLY PROTECTING 14:30:20 THE OUTBURST, BUT ALSO THE SECURITY ASPECTS OF TRYING IF AN 14:30:25 ARTICLE III COURT. >> AS I SAID, THERE ARE ARTICLE 14:30:31 III JUDGES WHO ARE FAMILIAR WITH DISRUPTIVE DEFENDANTS, NOT ONLY 14:30:36 IN A TERRORISM CONTEXT, BUT IN OTHER CASES, AS WELL. 14:30:39 ARTICLE III JUDGES ARE USED TO DEALING WITH PEOPLE LIKE THIS 14:30:43 AND KNOW HOW TO DEAL WITH THEM. I LOOK BACK TO THAT RECENT CASE 14:30:51 WHICH CONCLUDED TWO OR THREE WEEKS AGO IN NEW YORK AND HELD 14:30:54 THE DEFENDANT THERE WAS APPROPRIATELY TREATED BEGIN THE 14:30:57 WAY IN WHICH SHE CONDUCTED HERSELF DURING HER TRIAL. 14:31:01 >> WHAT ABOUT THE CONCERN MEMBERS OF CONGRESS REPRESENT 14:31:03 COMMUNITIES AND THEY'RE CONCERNED ABOUT THE DISRUPTION 14:31:06 TO THE COMMUNITIES AND EVEN THE SAFETY OF THE COURTS HOLDING 14:31:13 SUCH TRIALS IN LOCAL COMMUNITIES? 14:31:15 >> I CAN UNDERSTAND HOW PEOPLE WOULD ASK THOSE QUESTIONS. 14:31:18 MY ANSWER TO BE TO LOOK AT HISTORY AND LOOK AT THE WAY IN 14:31:22 WHICH THESE CASES HAVE BEEN CONDUCTED, SAFELY, WITHOUT 14:31:26 INCIDENT TO NEIGHBORHOODS AND COMMUNITIES THAT SURROUND THE 14:31:31 COURTHOUSES WHERE THESE CASES HAVE BEEN HELD. 14:31:37 WE TRIED MR. MOUSSAI. WE TRIED THESE IN PARTS OF OUR 14:31:56 COUNTRY ALWAYS WITHOUT INCIDENT BECAUSE OF THE EXPERIENCE WE 14:32:01 HAVE AND THE WORK THE MARSHAL SERVICE GOES THROUGH TO PREPARE 14:32:04 FOR THESE TRIALS. SOMETIMES INVOLVES THE CLOSING 14:32:07 OF STREETS AND SOMETIMES CAUSES DISRUPTIONS, BUT THE AT THE END 14:32:11 OF THE DAY THESE CASES HAVE ALWAYS BEEN HELD IN A SAFE 14:32:12 MANNER. >> FINALLY, ATTORNEY GENERAL 14:32:19 HOLDER, THERE IS A CONCERN OR THE ARGUMENT AT LEAST MADE THAT 14:32:23 HOLDING TRIALS IN CIVILIAN COURTS SOMEHOW AFFORD DETAINEES 14:32:33 TOO MANY RIGHTS. AS A LAWYER I ALWAYS WONDERED 14:32:43 ABOUT THOSE ARGUMENTS. I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR YOU SPEAK 14:32:46 TO THAT CONCERN. >> I'M GLAD YOU ASKED THAT 14:32:48 QUESTION AND ONE THAT TENDS TO GET MY BLOOD BOILING. 14:32:51 THE NOTION THAT A DEFENDANT IN AN ARTICLE III COURT IS SOMEHOW 14:32:56 BEING TREATED IN AN INAPPROPRIATE, SPECIAL WAY, THAT 14:33:03 HE IS BEING CODDLED IS ANYTHING BUT THE TRUTH. 14:33:05 A PERSON CHARGED WITH MURDER, MANY OF THESE, AND MANY OF THESE 14:33:15 DEFENDANTS ARE, WOULD BE TREATED LIKE ANY OTHER MURDER DEFENDANT 14:33:19 BE. ARE THEY GETTING MORE RIGHTS 14:33:23 THAN THE AVERAGE AMERICAN CITIZEN? 14:33:25 NO. ARE THEY GETTING TREATED THE WAY 14:33:27 MURDERS WOULD BE TREATED? YES. 14:33:29 THEY HAVE THE SAME RIGHTS THAT A CHARLES MANSON WOULD HAVE. 14:33:33 ANY OTHER KIND OF MASS MURDERER. THOSE ARE THE COMPARISONS PEOPLE 14:33:37 SHOULD BE MAKING TRYING TO MAKE THE DETERMINATION HOW TERRORISTS 14:33:40 ARE BEING TREATED AND NOT COMPARE THEM TO AVERAGE CITIZENS 14:33:44 WHO CREATE NO HARM, WHO HAVE COMMITTED NO TRIMS. 14:33:52 >> IS THERE ANY TRUTH TO COUNTER THAT CONCERN THAT MILITARY 14:33:58 T TRIBUNALS ARE THE RIGHTS OF THE 14:34:01 DEFENDANTS, MANY OF WHICH COME BEFORE THEM ARE SERVICE 14:34:06 PERSONNEL, THAT THE RIGHTS ARE SKEWED IN FAVOR OF THE 14:34:12 DEFENDANTS IN THE MILITARY ENVIRONMENT? 14:34:14 IS THAT CORRECT OR INCORRECT? >> I WOULD NOT SAY THEY ARE 14:34:17 SKEWED TOWARD THE DEFENDANT. I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS YOU DO 14:34:21 FIND THOUGH IS BECAUSE OF THE LACK OF FAMILIARITY WITH THESE 14:34:25 KINDS OF CASES, THERE IS A GREATER COMFORT, I THINK, IN THE 14:34:31 ARTICLE III SETTING TO BE MORE -- AGGRESSIVE ISN'T THE 14:34:36 RIGHT WORD, BUT TO BE MORE STRICT WITH INTERACTING WITH 14:34:39 DEFENDANTS THAN YOU PERHAPS SEE IN THE MILITARY COMMISSION 14:34:42 SETTING, WHICH IS NOT TO SAY YOU CANNOT TRY SUCCESSFULLY AND 14:34:47 APPROPRIATELY THESE MATTERS IN MILITARY COMMISSIONS. 14:34:53 >> MR. ATTORNEY GENERAL, WITH REGARD TO CHOOSING A SPECIFIC 14:34:57 VENUE IN A CIVIL TRIAL, YOUR BUDGET REQUEST INCLUDES $73 14:35:02 MILLION FOR FIRST YEAR COSTS OF HOLDING THE 9/11 PERPETRATORS 14:35:07 TRIAL IN FEDERAL COURT IN THE CENTRAL DISTRICT OF NEW YORK. 14:35:10 SINCE THE TIME THE BUDGET WAS FINALIZED, YOU ANNOUNCED THE 14:35:13 FINAL CHOICE OF FORUM IS STILL UNDER CONSIDERATION AND COULD 14:35:19 THEORETICALLY CHANGE. IF WE ACCEPT RECENT NEWS REPORTS 14:35:21 AT FACE VALUE AND YOU'VE SPOKEN TO THIS, IN FACT, IT APPEARING 14:35:26 POSSIBLE THE 9/11 TRIALS WILL ULTIMATELY BE HELD IN THAT 14:35:29 MILITARY SETTING. WHEN A FINAL DETERMINATION HAS 14:35:32 BEEN MADE ON A FORUM FOR THESE TRIALS, WILL YOU SUBMIT A BUDGET 14:35:36 AMENDMENT TO REFLECT ANY NEW COST ESTIMATES? 14:35:38 >> YES, WE WOULD. THE MONEY WE HAVE SOUGHT FOR THE 14:35:47 POTENTIAL TRIALS, I THINK WOULD PROBABLE YIB APPROPRIATE ALMOST 14:35:53 REGARDLESS OF WHERE THE TRIAL WOULD BE HELD. 14:35:55 IF, HOWEVER, WE END UP IN A VENUE WHERE THE COSTS ARE 14:36:01 SUBSTANTIALLY LESS OR LESS THAN WHAT IS INCLUDED IN OUR BUDGET, 14:36:04 WE WOULD COME BACK TO THIS COMMITTEE AND SEEK TO AMEND. 14:36:22 THE OTHER WITH REGARD TO PRISON REQUIREMENTS, YOUR BUDGET WHAT 14:36:28 WOULD ANY SUCH BUDGET AMENDMENT AFFECT YOUR REQUEST, WHICH I 14:36:33 BELIEVE IS FOR $107 MILLION, TO ACQUIRE AND RENOVATE THE PRISON 14:36:39 AT THOMPSON, ILLINOIS, WOULD THE DECISION WHERE TO TRY THESE 14:36:51 INMATES AND DISPOSITION AND WHERE THEY WOULD BE HELD, IS 14:36:56 YOUR BUDGET FOR THOMPSON CONTINGENT ON THESE TERRORIST 14:36:59 TRIALS AND THEIR ULTIMATE DISPOSITION AND LOCATION OF THE 14:37:02 SUSPECTS? >> NOT AT ALL. 14:37:08 OUR BUDGET REQUESTS MONEY TO REQUIRE TWO FACILITIES, ONE IN 14:37:12 BERLIN, NEW HAMPSHIRE, ONE IN THOMPSON, ILLINOIS. 14:37:15 THE BUREAU OF PRISONS JUSTICE DEPARTMENT HAS GREAT INTEREST 14:37:18 ACQUIRING THESE NEW FACILITIES AT A COST SUBSTANTIALLY SMALLER 14:37:22 THAN WE WOULD INCUR IF WE BUILT THESE NEW FACILITIES. 14:37:27 OUR INTEREST IN THOMPSON EXISTS IRRESPECTIVE IN ANY OF THESE 14:37:40 DETAINEES FROM GUANTANAMO STEP FOOT THERE. 14:37:54 >> IS THE ADMINISTRATION PAYING ON THE COST OF LOCAL COMMUNITIES 14:37:59 IN ANY GIVEN VENUE? >> YES. 14:38:01 I THINK WHAT I SAID ON THE DAY OF THE ANNOUNCEMENT IS THAT THE 14:38:06 TRIALS OF THESE MATTERS ARE NOT LOCAL TRIALS. 14:38:12 ON SEPTEMBER 11th, THE BUILDINGS FELL IN NEW YORK, ALTHOUGH THE 14:38:16 PENTAGON WAS HIT AND ALTHOUGH THERE WAS A CRASH IN 14:38:20 PENNSYLVANIA, ALL OF THIS COUNTRY WAS IMPACTED. 14:38:22 ALL OF THIS COUNTRY WAS AFFECTED. 14:38:24 THESE ARE TRULY NATIONAL TRIALS AND AS A RESULT, IT SEEMS TO ME 14:38:28 THERE SHOULD BE A NATIONAL RESPONSIBILITY IN PAYING THE 14:38:36 BILLS THAT THESE TRIALS WOULD GENERATE. 14:38:38 IT IS UNFAIR THAT THE LOCAL COMMUNITIES WHEREVER THESE CASES 14:38:41 MIGHT BE TRIED SHOULD BEAR A DISPROPORTIONATE SHARE FOR WHAT, 14:38:47 IN ESSENCE, ARE NATIONAL CRIMES. >> THANK YOU. 14:38:48 MR. WOLF. >> SIMON AND GARFUNKEL HAVE THE 14:39:00 SONG "THE BOXER," A MAN HEARS WHAT HE WANTS TO HEAR AND 14:39:05 DISREGARDS THE REST. WITHOUT DEBATING ALL THESE 14:39:07 ISSUES, I WOULD LIKE TO PUT IN THE RECORD A NUMBER OF ARTICLES 14:39:11 AND POSITIONS BY ANDY McCARTHY AND A GROUP OF LAWYERS THAT GO 14:39:15 TO THE HEART OF THE ANSWERS YOU ACTUALLY MADE. 14:39:19 THE DIFFERENCE OF THE KHALID SHAIKH MUHAMMED, MASTER MIND FOR 14:39:24 THE 9/11, 3,000 PEOPLE, MS. ALI WAS IN ALEXANDRIA FOUR YEARS AND 14:39:33 THERE WAS NOT THE PATENT AND TRADE OFFICE, THERE WAS NOT THE 14:39:37 HOTEL. THE COST FOR KHALID SHAIKH 14:39:39 MUHAMMED IN NEW YORK, IF HE WERE THERE THREE YEARS, THE FIGURES 14:39:42 FROM NEW YORK CITY AND THE BRIEFS, REIMBURSEMENT, $206 14:39:46 MILLION A YEAR FOR THE CITY OF NEW YORK POLICE DEPARTMENT. 14:39:49 WE'VE ALSO GOTTEN A BRIEFING FROM THE MARSHAL SERVICE OF THE 14:39:55 AIRPLANE THEY WERE GOING TO BUY AND THE CARS ROUNDING OUT TO 14:39:59 ABOUT 1 BILLION TO TRY HIM THERE. 14:40:00 A LITTLE BIT OF A DIFFERENT KIND OF THOUGHTS ABOUT THAT. 14:40:08 THE SECOND THING IS THERE ARE MAJOR DIFFERENCES. 14:40:15 THE ADMINISTRATION AND MY GOOD FRIEND THE CHAIRMAN TALKED ABOUT 14:40:17 THE PROCESS. TO RELEASE SIX PEOPLE BACK TO 14:40:23 YEMEN WHEN YOU ARE IN YEMEN AT THAT MOMENT TO AL QAEDA IN THE 14:40:28 ARABIAN PENINSULA WAS A BAD IDEA. 14:40:30 ONE OF THEM MAY HAVE GONE BACK. ALSO, THE ADMINISTRATION 14:40:34 RELEASED TWO TO SOMALIA LAND. I'VE BEEN TO SOMALIA. 14:40:37 THERE IS NO GOVERNMENT THERE. TO PUT TWO PEOPLE BACK INTO 14:40:45 SOMALIA AND AL QAEDA IN THE ARABIAN PENINSULA, THE 14:40:49 GOVERNMENT OF YEMEN CONTROLS THE CAPITAL OF YEMEN AND NOT MUCH 14:40:53 OUTSIDE. WE SPOKE TO THE WHITE HOUSE 14:40:58 WITHOUT MENTIONING NAMES. ONE DAY THEY SAID WE'RE PUSHING 14:41:01 AHEAD. TWO DAYS LATER WHEN THIS BLEW UP 14:41:03 THEY SAID WE ARE GOING TO STOP IT. 14:41:06 THERE WERE SOME PROBLEMS, AND I HAD A PROBLEM, AND I DON'T WANT 14:41:10 TO TAKE TOO MUCH TIME, YOU WERE GOING TO RELEASE SEVERAL 14:41:17 GUANTANAMO BAY PEOPLE INTO OUR CONGRESSIONAL AREA, WHETHER IT 14:41:20 BE IN MY DISTRICT OR ADJOINING, AND YOUR PEOPLE CAME UP TO ME AT 14:41:25 THIS TIME LAST YEAR, ASKED ME THE AT A HEARING, PLEASE DON'T 14:41:29 ASK ATTORNEY GENERAL HOLDER THAT QUESTION. 14:41:32 OUT OF RESPECT BECAUSE I THOUGHT THERE WOULD BE SOME 14:41:36 CONSULTATION, I DIDN'T ASK THE QUESTION. 14:41:37 I DON'T THINK IT'S APPROPRIATE FOR MEMBERS TO TO DO A GOTCHA 14:41:41 TYPE OF THING. WE NEVER ASKED THAT, THEN GOT 14:41:44 CALLS FROM SEVERAL PEOPLE IN THE ADMINISTRATION AT A LOW LEVEL 14:41:46 SAYING THEY'RE COMING TO NORTHERN VIRGINIA AND HERE IS 14:41:52 WHAT'S COMING -- SO THERE'S BEEN A STRONG DIFFERENCE ON A LOT OF 14:41:57 THESE ISSUES. I'LL PUT A NUMBER OF THINGS IN 14:42:00 THE RECORD WITHOUT DEBATING IT. I WANT THE RECORD TO SHOW IT. 14:42:05 IN 1942, GERMAN SABOTEURS ARRESTED IN NEW YORK AND FLORIDA 14:42:09 WERE ARRESTED BY THE FBI. TRANSFER OF THE MILITARY CUSTODY 14:42:14 FOR TRIAL. ROOSEVELT TREATED THEM AS WAR 14:42:18 CRIMINALS. WE ARE AT WAR. 14:42:24 YOU SAID THAT EARLIER. IF YOU TALK TO MOST OF THE 14:42:27 FAMILY MEMBERS AND YOU LOOK TO PEOPLE, THEY BELIEVE THIS TRIAL 14:42:30 OUGHT TO BE IN A MILITARY COURT. WHEN WILL YOU BE MAKING A 14:42:37 DECISION ON THE KHALID SHAIKH MUHAMMED ISSUE WHEREVER YOU ARE 14:42:40 GOING TO MAKE THE DECISION? WHEN DO YOU EXPECT THAT TO COME 14:42:44 OUT? >> I THINK WE ARE WEEKS AWAY 14:42:47 FROM MAKING THAT DETERMINATION. I DON'T THINK WE ARE TALKING 14:42:50 ABOUT MONTHS. I THINK WE ARE PROBABLY WEEKS 14:42:54 AWAY. >> ON THE DIFFERENCE OF CIVILIAN 14:42:56 AND MILITARY, THE PENTAGON, AS YOU KNOW VERY WELL, IS A 14:43:00 MILITARY, THE CENTER, THE HEART BEAT OF THE MILITARY SYSTEM IN 14:43:04 THE UNITED STATES AND THERE WERE MILITARY PEOPLE KILLED. 14:43:06 YOU COULD HAVE USED THE SAME ARGUMENT WITH REGARD TO KHALID 14:43:10 SHAIKH MUHAMMED TO BE TRIED IN A MILITARY AS YOU DID ON THE OTHER 14:43:13 ONE BECAUSE THERE WERE PEOPLE WEARING THE AMERICAN UNIFORM AND 14:43:16 IT WAS THE PENTAGON WHERE MOST OF OUR MILITARY GENERALS AND ALL 14:43:23 ARE. THE OTHER THING IS I SENT A 14:43:25 LETTER. WE JUST HAVE A HARD TIME GETTING 14:43:27 ANSWERS FROM THE ADMINISTRATION. THERE ARE GOING TO BE 14:43:35 DIFFERENCES OF OPINION. IF YOU CALL ME, I'LL TRY TO GET 14:43:39 YOU ANYTHING I CAN. YOU ASK ME A QUESTION, IF I 14:43:41 DON'T HAVE IT, I'LL GET YOU THE ANSWER. 14:43:43 IF I CAN'T TELL YOU, I WILL GIVE YOU A DATE WHEN I'LL TELL YOU. 14:43:47 CALL ME AND I'LL TRY TO COOPERATE IN EVERY WAY POSSIBLE. 14:43:51 WE CAN NEVER GET ANY COOPERATION. 14:43:57 FROM THE UIGHUR ISSUE WE WEREN'T ABLE TO GET CONFIRMATION. 14:44:00 WE GOT A LETTER FROM YOUR DEPARTMENT LAST NIGHT. 14:44:02 THERE WAS NOBODY IN MY OFFICE 11:00 LAST NIGHT. 14:44:04 THAT IS A GOTCHA WAY TO CLEAN THE DECKS BEFORE YOU COME UP 14:44:08 HERE. IT'S NOT A VERY GOOD WAY. 14:44:10 I SENT A LETTER BACK IN JANUARY ASKING THE ADMINISTRATION TO 14:44:15 BRING BACK THE 9/11 COMMISSION. LEE HAMILTON EXPRESSED IT. 14:44:23 WE ASKED SECRETARY BAKER AND CONGRESSMAN HAMILTON TO COME. 14:44:26 THEY DID A GREAT JOB. THEY DID AT 9/11. 14:44:30 I CAN'T GET AN ANSWER. WILL THE ADMINISTRATION BRING 14:44:32 BACK THE 9/11 COMMISSION TO TAKE A LOOK AT WHERE WE ARE TODAY, 14:44:36 WHAT RECOMMENDATIONS WERE ADOPTED, WHAT ONES WERE NOT 14:44:39 ADOPTED AND WHAT ONES WERE NOT ADOPTED BY THE CONGRESS THAT 14:44:43 SHOULD HAVE BEEN ADOPTED, THEN GO AWAY AFTER SIX MONTHS. 14:44:46 I HAD THAT REQUEST AND I JUST CAN'T GET ANY RESPONSE. 14:44:50 DO YOU HAVE THAT I THOUGHT, WILL THE ADMINISTRATION BRING BACK 14:44:53 THE 9/11 COMMISSION PER MY REQUEST? 14:44:57 I THINK LEE HAMILTON WANTS THAT TO HAPPEN, TOO. 14:45:00 >> I'M NOT FAMILIAR WHAT THE DECISION MIGHT BE BY THE 14:45:03 PRESIDENT. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT STRIKES 14:45:04 ME IS THAT THE 9/11 COMMISSION DID A GREAT JOB. 14:45:07 IT EXHAUSTED HEARINGS WITH A SPECIFIC SET OF RECOMMENDATIONS. 14:45:13 I THINK ALMOST ANY OBJECTIVE OBSERVER CAN LOOK AT THAT 14:45:16 REPORT, COMPARE THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS TO WHERE THE 14:45:18 PAST ADMINISTRATION WAS, WHERE THIS ADMINISTRATION IS AND MAKE 14:45:21 A DETERMINATION. >> CORRECT, THEY HAVE THE 14:45:25 EXPERTISE. I CALLED CONGRESSMAN HAMILTON. 14:45:27 HE THOUGHT IT WOULD BE A GOOD IDEA TO COME BACK FOR SIX 14:45:32 MONTHS. NOT THE WHOLE 9/11, BUT HE AND 14:45:35 THE GOVERNOR OF NEW JERSEY, TO COME BACK AND LOOK AND SEE, 14:45:39 BECAUSE THEY HAVE THE HISTORICAL HISTORY OF WHAT THEY SAID, WHAT 14:45:42 WAS ADOPTED, WHAT NOT. I THINK THAT WOULD MAKE THE 14:45:45 COUNTRY SAFER. I THINK IT WOULD BE A GOOD 14:45:47 THING. I GUESS THE ANSWER IPS YOU'RE 14:45:49 NOT SURE. >> AGAIN. 14:45:52 I'M NOT SURE FROM MY OWN PERSPECTIVE. 14:45:55 >> I'M JUST TRYING TO GET AN ANSWER. 14:45:57 SECONDLY, WE ASK THEY PUT TOGETHER TEAM B MADE UP OF BRUCE 14:46:02 HOFFMAN AND A GROUP OF OUTSTANDING PEOPLE, BIPARTISAN 14:46:07 OUTSIDE THE GOVERNMENT TO LOOK AT THE SAME CIRCUMSTANCES TO SEE 14:46:09 WHAT WE ARE DOING TODAY TO FIGHT TERRORISM IS EVERYTHING WE 14:46:13 SHOULD BE DOING. THE REQUEST WAS BRING BACK BRUCE 14:46:20 HOFFMAN, HEAD UP TEAM B. I CAN'T GET AN ANSWER. 14:46:23 IS THERE ANY INTEREST IN THE ADMINISTRATION IN RESPONSING TO 14:46:26 BRINGING BACK A TEAM B APPROACH? >> I HAVE TO TELL YOU AGAIN WE 14:46:30 HAVE GOOD PEOPLE, EXPERIENCED PEOPLE WHO HAVE DEDICATED THEIR 14:46:33 LIVES TO DOING THE VERY THINGS THAT THEY ARE DOING IN VERY 14:46:37 RESPONSIBLE POSITIONS, THE NATIONAL SECURITY COUNCIL IN 14:46:40 ARMED FORCES. I HAVE GREAT FAITH IN THE 14:46:42 DECISION MAKING THEY MADE. I'M NOT SURE OUTSIDERS ARE 14:46:48 NECESSARILY NEEDED. >> A LOT OF PEOPLE THINK IT 14:46:53 WOULD BE A PRETTY GOOD IDEA. I ASK THAT THE ADMINISTRATION 14:46:58 HAVE THE TSA ADMINISTRATOR BE A SET TERM SIMILAR TO THE DIRECTOR 14:47:02 OF THE FBI. WE HAD FIVE IN SIX YEARS. 14:47:05 ANY THOUGHT ABOUT THEM DOING ANYTHING WITH REGARD TO THAT? 14:47:10 >> ONE THING I WILL CALL ON IS FOR THE SENATE TO CONFIRM A TSA 14:47:17 ADMINISTRATOR BEFORE WE START TALKING ABOUT LIMITING THE 14:47:19 TERMS. >> YOU CAN CONFIRM THIS 14:47:22 GENTLEMAN FOR THIS TERM, BUT WE HAD FIVE IN THE LAST SIX YEARS. 14:47:26 TO BRING CONTINUITY, I THINK DIRECTOR MUELLER HAS DONE A GOOD 14:47:30 JOB AND THAT HAS BEEN A PRETTY GOOD SYSTEM. 14:47:32 ANY THOUGHT OF DOING THAT? >> AGAIN, THAT IS NOT SOMETHING 14:47:36 I HAD ANY CONVERSATIONS WITH PEOPLE IN THE ADMINISTRATION. 14:47:39 >> LASTLY I ASK THAT THE INTERROGATION TEAM BE LOCATED 14:47:45 NOT WHERE THEY ARE GOING TO PUT THEM, BUT LOCATED AT THE 14:47:49 COUNTERTERRORISM CENTER. I KNOW THAT COMES UNDER YOU TO A 14:47:52 CERTAIN DEGREE. WHAT'S THE THOUGHT OF THE 14:47:55 RECOMMENDATION MADE FOR THAT? THE LETTER'S BEEN 2 1/2 MONTHS 14:48:01 THERE ASKING THAT HI GIVEN BE RELOCATED AT THE 14:48:08 COUNTERTERRORISM CENTER. WHAT ABOUT THIS? 14:48:10 >> THE HIG IS TO BE HOUSED AT THE FBI. 14:48:14 >> NO. THE HIG IS NOT AT THE FBI. 14:48:17 IT IS OUT IN VIRGINIA. THEY SIGNED THE LEASE AT A 14:48:20 BUILDING NOT NEAR THE FBI. I KNOW WHERE THE BUILDING IS. 14:48:23 I ASKED THAT THE CO-LOCATION OF THE HIG BE WITH THE 14:48:28 COUNTERTERRORISM CENTER DIRECTLY THERE SO THAT THIS EXCHANGE OF 14:48:33 INFORMATION, THAT'S THE WHOLE PURPOSE OF THE CENTER TO BREAK 14:48:35 DOWN THE BARRIERS SO FBI, CIA ARE TALKING TO ONE ANOTHER. 14:48:41 SINCE THIS IS YOUR RESPONSIBILITY, WHAT ABOUT A 14:48:43 RECOMMENDATION I MADE THAT YOU CO-LOCATE THE HIG? 14:48:46 >> I THINK THE QUESTION IS NOT PHYSICAL PROXIMITY AS MUCH AS IT 14:48:50 IS HAVING COMMUNICATION BETWEEN THE HIG AND THE VARIETY OF 14:48:53 GOVERNMENT YAF ENTITIES THAT NEEDS TO BE IN TOUCH. 14:48:56 >> OKAY. IT IS PHYSICAL PROXIMITY. 14:49:01 THAT'S THE WHOLE PURPOSE OF THE COUNTERTERRORISM CENTER. 14:49:03 THAT'S WHY THE WALLS WERE BROKEN DOWN AND THEY PUT EVERYBODY 14:49:07 TOGETHER. THAT WAS THE WHOLE PURPOSE OF 14:49:09 IT. ANYWAY, OKAY. 14:49:10 >> THE HIG BY ITS NATURE DRAWS TOGETHER PEOPLE OF DIFFERENT 14:49:14 AGENCIES, CO-LOCATES THEM, GETS THEM READY TO GO OUT. 14:49:17 >> THAT'S WHAT THE COUNTERTERRORISM CENTER DOES. 14:49:20 THAT'S WHY THEY -- ANYWAY, THE ANSWER TO THAT IS PROBABLY NOT? 14:49:23 >> I THINK WE HAVE CO-LOCATION. >> NO, THEY ARE NOT. 14:49:27 THEY SIGNED A LEASE IN A BUILDING WHICH I CAN TELL YOU 14:49:31 NOT, NOT, NOT NEAR THERE. I'M ASKING THEY BE LOCATED 14:49:35 THERE. YOU HAVE THE NDI THERE, YOU 14:49:38 WHAFB THE WHOLE TEAM THERE. THAT'S WHERE IT MAKES SENSE. 14:49:41 EVERYONE I TALK TO OFF THE RECORD THINKS IT SHOULD BE 14:49:44 THERE. I MADE THE REQUEST THAT IT BE 14:49:45 THERE. I'M TRYING TO GET AN ANSWER 14:49:48 SINCE IT COMES UNDER YOU, WILL YOU CO-LOCATE IT AND PUT IT 14:49:51 THERE? >> I WILL CERTAINLY TAKE THAT 14:49:54 RECOMMENDATION INTO CONSIDERATION, BUT AS I SAID, 14:49:56 THE FACT IS THAT THE HIG IS A MULTIAGENCY ENTITY. 14:50:04 THE FACT OF ITS EXISTENCE MEANS THERE IS WHEREVER 14:50:10 THE LARGER AGENCY IS PLACED. >> OKAY. 14:50:14 THAT'S PROBABLY A MAYBE MAYBE. JOHN ADAM PROJECT. 14:50:16 OVER THE WEEKEND THE WASHINGTON TIMES REPORTED THAT DEPARTMENT 14:50:19 OF JUSTICE OFFICIALS REFUSED TO SHARE CIA CONCERNS IN THE 14:50:22 BRIEFING FOR THE PRESIDENT WITH REGARD TO THE CONSEQUENCES OF 14:50:25 THE ACLU JOHN ADAM PROS JENGT, WHICH HIRED PHOTOGRAPHERS TO 14:50:29 TRACK DOWN CIA OFFICERS, MANY WHO PROBABLY LIVE IN MY DISTRICT 14:50:34 AND SHARE PHOTOS AND PERSONAL INFORMATION WITH ALLEGED 14:50:38 TERRORISTS AT GUANTANAMO. IS THIS REPORT ACCURATE? 14:50:43 IF NOT, WHY? >> IF YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE 14:50:50 "WASHINGTON TIMES" REPORT? >> I'M TALKING ABOUT THE JOHN 14:50:54 ADAMS -- Y I'M TALKING ABOUT THAT. 14:50:55 THE INFORMATION THAT IT WAS NOT PUT IN THERE AS THEY REQUESTED. 14:51:00 >> THE "TIMES" ARTICLE IS RIDDLED WITH INACCURACIES. 14:51:06 THERE IS ONLY SO MUCH I CAN SAY ABOUT THAT BECAUSE THERE'S AN 14:51:11 INVESTIGATION INTO THE CORE OF THAT "TIMES" ARTICLE. 14:51:16 >> I -- WITH RESPECT, I HAVEN'T FOUND MUCH OF WHAT YOU SAID 14:51:20 TODAY REALLY IN RESPONSE TO THE LEGITIMATE QUESTIONS THAT WE 14:51:24 TRIED TO -- 1998 I CAME BACK FROM ALGERIA, WHERE 175,000 14:51:29 PEOPLE WERE KILLED. AND THE BOMBING TOOK PLACE IN 14:51:34 NAIROBI, TANZANIA, PEOPLE FROM MY DISTRICT DIED. 14:51:37 I PUT IN A BILL TO SET UP A NATIONAL COMMISSION ON 14:51:40 TERRORISM, THE BREMER COMMISSION, THE BUSH 14:51:43 ADMINISTRATION IGNORED IT SO DID THE CLINTON ADMINISTRATION. 14:51:46 WE'RE TRYING TO LEGITIMATELY ASK SOME QUESTIONS. 14:51:49 EVERY ONE I'VE ASKED THERE'S NOT A YES, A NO, I'LL DO THIS, WE'LL 14:51:54 REPORT TO YOU. FROM THE UIGHURS STRAIGHT ON TO 14:51:58 THE YEMENS, STRAIGHT ON TO SOMALIA, WE CAN'T FIND OUT ANY 14:52:05 ANSWERS. WITH ALL DUE RESPECT, MR. 14:52:07 ATTORNEY GENERAL, I DON'T THINK YOU SERVE WELL WHEN YOU'RE ASKED 14:52:14 A LEGITIMATE, MORAL, QUESTION -- I RESPECT YOU. 14:52:17 I'M NOT TRYING TO CREATE A PROBLEM. 14:52:19 I'M TRYING TO GET TO THE ANSWERS. 14:52:21 30 PEOPLE FROM MY DISTRICT DIED FROM MY DISTRICT IN THE 14:52:27 PENTAGON. THE FIRST PERSON KILLED, I WENT 14:52:29 TO HIS FUNERAL AT ARLINGTON CEMETERY. 14:52:31 I'M JUST TRYING TO FIND OUT THE PILOT OF THE AIRPLANE THAT WENT 14:52:35 INTO THE PENTAGON WAS FROM MY DISTRICT. 14:52:37 WE'RE TRYING TO GET TO WORK IN A BIPARTISAN WAY TO DO WHAT'S BEST 14:52:41 FOREVER THE COUNTRY. NOT IN A GOT YOU WAY, BUT IN A 14:52:46 WAY TO MAKE THE COUNTRY SAFE. BUT I HAVEN'T HAD ANY ANSWERS. 14:52:49 I CAN'T GET AN ANSWER OUT OF YOUR DEPARTMENT. 14:52:51 THE LETTER YOU SENT UP THE OTHER DAY, YOU SAID REFERENCED IN THIS 14:52:55 LETTER, THIS LETTER, THIS LETTER, THIS IS THE ANSWER. 14:52:58 THERE'S NO ANSWER. LET ME MOVE ON. 14:53:00 WITH ALL DUE RESPECT, I THINK WITH REGARD TO THE RESPONSES WE 14:53:04 HAVE SENT UP THERE, THERE ARE MORE LETTERS THAT YOU HAVE SENT 14:53:06 TO US, THERE ARE FEWER RESPONSES WE HAVE SENT BACK. 14:53:09 BUT I THINK THE RESPONSES WE HAVE SENT BACK DO, IN FACT, 14:53:13 ANSWER ALL OF THE THINGS THAT ARE CONTAINED IN THE LETTERS YOU 14:53:16 SENT. >> WITH RESPECT, I DON'T THINK 14:53:18 THAT'S ACCURATE. I WILL PUT MY LETTERS IN THE 14:53:21 RECORD AT THIS POINT, YOUR TWO LETTERS, AND HISTORY CAN MAKE A 14:53:26 JUDGE WHETHER OR NOT THAT'S ACCURATE. 14:53:28 >> CONGRESS UNANIMOUSLY PASSED MY BILL WITH FORMER SENATOR 14:53:31 KENNEDY, THE PRISON RAPE ELIMINATION ACT OF 2003 IN 14:53:34 RECOGNITION OF THE URGENT NEED TO ADDRESS THE CRISIS OF SEXUAL 14:53:37 ABUSE IN U.S. CORRECTION FACILITIES. 14:53:39 THE NATIONAL PRISON RAPE ELIMINATION COMMISSION SPENT 14:53:42 MORE THAN FIVE YEARS HOLDING PUBLIC HEARINGS AND RECOMMENDING 14:53:46 STANDARDS. THE LAW REQUIRES THAT YOU ISSUE 14:53:48 A FINAL RULE MAKING BY JUNE 23, 2010. 14:53:52 ONE YEAR AFTER THE COMMISSION ISSUED ITS RECOMMENDATIONS. 14:53:58 YOU'RE NOT GOING TO MAKE THAT. PRISON RAPE IS A SERIOUS 14:54:01 PROBLEM, PARTICULARLY WITH REGARD TO YOUNG PEOPLE BUT 14:54:04 ANYONE. I CAN'T UNDERSTAND WHY YOU WOULD 14:54:05 NOT FOLLOW THROUGH. WE HAD THE COMMISSION. 14:54:07 WE HAD THE RECOMMENDATION. WE HAD EVERYTHING SET UP, AND 14:54:10 NOW WHAT IS THE STATUS? WILL THERE BE A FINAL RULING? 14:54:14 WHAT'S STATUS OF THAT. LASTLY, THE QUESTION THAT 14:54:17 TROUBLES ME, THE BUDGET REQUEST FOR 2011 INCLUDES A $10 MILLION 14:54:23 REDUCTION IN PRISON RAPE ELIMINATION RELATED FUNDING 14:54:26 LEAVING JUST 5 MILLION FOR EFFORTS TO ADDRESS SEXUAL 14:54:28 VIOLENCE IN DETENTION. I THINK TO HAVE RAPE OF A PERSON 14:54:33 WHO GOES TO PRISON IS UNACCEPTABLE AND SENATOR KENNEDY 14:54:39 HAD THAT IN, BOBBY SCOTT AND I DID, WE EXPECT THIS TO BE 14:54:42 IMPLEMENTED NOW TO PROTECT PEOPLE THAT ARE IN PRISON. 14:54:47 >> I SHARE YOUR CONCERNS ABOUT THE SEXUAL MISTREATMENT OF 14:54:52 PEOPLE WHO GO TO PRISON. I WAS A JUDGE. 14:54:54 I SENT PEOPLE TO PRISON. I WOULD NEVER WANT TO THINK THAT 14:54:57 ANYBODY I SENT TO PRISON TO SERVE TIME WOULD HAVE TO DEAL 14:55:02 WITH THE THINGS THAT THAT COMMISSION UNCOVERED. 14:55:05 ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I WOULD NOTE IS THAT THE COMMISSION WAS 14:55:08 GIVEN TWO YEARS IN ORDER TO MAKE ITS FINDINGS. 14:55:12 WE WERE GIVEN ONE YEAR IN WHICH TO THEN IMPLEMENT THEM. 14:55:15 WE ARE DOING THE BEST WE CAN. I MET WITH THE COMMISSION ON 14:55:18 THREE OCCASIONS AT THIS POINT. MET WITH THE CHAIRMAN OF THAT 14:55:22 COMMISSION, JUDGE WALTON. WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE GET 14:55:25 THIS RIGHT AND FOLLOW THE DICTATES OF THE STATUTE, WHICH 14:55:32 SAYS CHANGE THIS SITUATION, MAKE SURE YOU ELIMINATE TO THE EXTENT 14:55:37 THAT YOU CAN, SEXUAL PREDATOR AND PREDATOR ACTIVITY IN 14:55:41 PRISONS, BUT NOT INCREASE THE AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT ANY LOCAL 14:55:46 JURISDICTION HAS TO SPEND IN ORDER TO DO THAT IT IS NOT AN 14:55:50 EASY TASK. WE WILL NOT MAKE THAT ONE-YEAR 14:55:53 DEADLINE, BUT WE WILL DO THIS AS QUICKLY AS WE CAN. 14:55:55 THE FACT THAT WE WILL NOT MAKE THAT DEADLINE IS NOT IN ANY WAY 14:55:59 AN INDICATION THAT THIS IS NOT A PROBLEM WE TAKE SERIOUSLY. 14:56:03 I HAVE EXPERIENCE WITH THIS IN A WAY THAT OTHERS DO NOT. 14:56:08 I HAVE, AS I SAID, SENT PEOPLE TO JAIL. 14:56:11 I KNOW WHAT HAPPENS IN OUR PRISONS. 14:56:14 I KNOW THE PEOPLE WHO I SENT TO LORTON BEFORE THAT FACILITY WAS 14:56:19 CLOSED. IT WEIGHED ON MY CONSCIENCE AS A 14:56:22 JUDGE. IT WEIGHS ON MY CONSCIENCE AS 14:56:24 ATTORNEY GENERAL. I'M DETERMINED TO TRY TO DO 14:56:26 THIS, BUT DO IT IN THE RIGHT WAY. 14:56:28 >> WELL, I HAVE CLOSED DOWN LORTON BECAUSE OF THAT VERY, 14:56:32 VERY REASON. BUT YOU ARE REDUCING -- YOUR 14:56:38 BUDGET INCLUDES A 10 MILLION REDUCTION IN FUNDING FOR THE 14:56:46 PROGRAM. YOU CAN SAY YOU'RE A JUDGE AND 14:56:47 YOU'RE INTERESTED, BUT THE REDUCTION SENDS A WRONG MESSAGE. 14:56:50 YOU ARE KNOWN BY YOUR BUDGET, IN ESSENCE. 14:56:53 THAT'S SORT OF THE LANDMARK. ANY WAY, MOVE -- EVERY TIME, 14:56:58 EVERY DELAY F YOU'VE BEEN READING THE SERIES OF ARTICLES 14:57:01 THAT HAVE BEEN GOING ON, PRISON RAPE IS A SERIOUS PROBLEM. 14:57:06 ANOTHER LONG DELAY WILL MEAN MORE PEOPLE WILL FACE THIS IN 14:57:09 PRISON. I'M DISAPPOINTED IN THE FACT 14:57:11 THAT YOU REDUCED THE FUNDING FOR SOMETHING THAT YOU SAY YOU'RE 14:57:15 INTERESTED IN. THE LAST QUESTION -- 14:57:16 >> WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH A DEADLINE THAT, WITH ALL DUE 14:57:20 RESPECT, THAT I THINK WAS ARTIFICIALLY SHORT. 14:57:23 GIVEN THE FACT THAT YOU GAVE TWO YEARS TO THE COMMISSION TO DO 14:57:26 ITS WORK AND ONLY ONE YEAR TO THE DEPARTMENT TO EFFECTUATE 14:57:34 THE -- >> BECAUSE THE DEPARTMENT DRUG 14:57:36 ITS HEELS ON THE ISSUE. WE BROUGHT SOME OF THE BEST 14:57:38 MINDS TO LOOK AT THIS AND GIVE THEM ADEQUATE TIME. 14:57:41 RIGHT NOW THE DEPARTMENT SHOULD HAVE ENOUGH INFORMATION TO MOVE 14:57:43 AHEAD. PEOPLE ARE BEING RAPED IN PRISON 14:57:46 EVERY DAY, EVERY DAY. TODAY, BY THE END OF THE DAY, 14:57:49 SOMEONE WILL BE -- THAT WILL HAPPEN TO THEM. 14:57:51 SO TO PUSH THIS OFF FOR ANOTHER YEAR IS UNACCEPTABLE. 14:57:55 TO REDUCE YOUR FUNDING AT THE SAME TIME. 14:57:58 THE LAST QUESTION -- >> I WILL DO WHAT THE STATUTE 14:58:02 SAYS WE HAVE TO DO. WE WILL DO IT RIGHT. 14:58:04 BUT LET ME JUST SAY ONE THING. THE DEGREE TO WHICH WE MEASURE 14:58:10 SERIOUSNESS, IF YOU WANT TO SAY IT'S ABOUT MONEY, I HAVE TO 14:58:15 WONDER, WHAT WAS IT THAT DROVE THIS BODY TO SAY YOU HAVE THE 14:58:19 RESPONSIBILITY TO MAKE THESE CHANGES, TO MAKE SURE THESE 14:58:22 CHANGES OCCUR, AND YET YOU CANNOT HAVE -- IT CANNOT HAVE A 14:58:26 COST IMPACT. WHEN I SPEAK TO WARDENS, WHEN I 14:58:29 SPEAK TO PEOPLE WHO RUN LOCAL JAILS, WHEN I SPEAK TO PEOPLE 14:58:33 WHO RUN STATE FACILITIES, THEY LOOK AT ME AND SAY ERIC, HOW ARE 14:58:38 WE GOING TO DO THIS? WHO ARE WE SUPPOSED TO DO THIS? 14:58:41 THAT IS WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO WORK OUT. 14:58:43 WAYS IN WHICH WE CAN FOLLOW THE DICTATES OF THE STATUTE AND DO 14:58:47 SOMETHING THAT IS MEANINGFUL. NOT SOMETHING THAT IS GOING TO 14:58:50 BE, YOU KNOW, A SHOW THING. SOMETHING THAT WILL HAVE A 14:58:54 MEASURABLE IMPACT. >> I KNOW. 14:58:55 WE PUT THE LEGISLATION IN BECAUSE WE TALKED TO PEOPLE THAT 14:58:59 IT HAPPENED TO. IT'S NOT A SHOW THING. 14:59:01 IT'S A REAL THING. IS A REALITY THING.

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Ford TV commercial promoting three different Mustangs in the 1969 Ford lineup: the Mustang, the Mustang Mach I with the Cobra Jet engine, and the Mustang Grande, . The Going Thing was a group assembled by Ford's agency J. Walter Thompson to promote Ford for the 1969 model year. This commercial mimics the style of Rowan & Martin's Laugh-In TV show. Talent in this spot: Tom Bahler, John Bahler, Janis Hansen Klinger (deceased 2017), Mitch Gordon, Steve Flanagan (deceased 2019), Wes Oldaker, Jacquie Wiseman Sullivan, Susie Teague, Arte Johnson (deceased 2019). Song copyrighted in 1968 by Maurice Skurnik (deceased 2020) & Stan Tarner (deceased 2006). Directed by Russ Mayberry (deceased 2012).

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US Soldier firing his thompson sub-machine gun

US Soldier firing his thompson sub-machine gun

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