MARTHA RADDATZ ABOARD USS KEARSARGE
MARTHA RADDATZ ABOARD THE USS KEARSARGE ( LHD3 / LHD-3 ) OFF THE COAST OF ITALY AS THEY SUPPORT OPERATION ODYSSEY DAWN AGAINST LIBYA. 13:34:29 USS Mt. Whitney at pier / USS MOUNT WHITNEY FROM CATANIA, ITALY 13:34:37 ts mast of Mt. Whitney 13:35:02 Marines on board 13:35:12 sailors on board 13:35:43 commander? Mt. Whitney 13:36:02 female sailors lined up 13:37:36 sailors waiting around 13:38:17 sailors lined up on sides of red carpet 13:38:43 General Ham, MR. commander of Mt Whitney 13:38:56 NATS whistle, Ham arrives on board 13:39:09 NATS whistle, MR on board 13:39:46 helo / helicopter lands on tarmac 13:39:52 MV-22 Ospreys starting up, propellers turning 13:40:57 Blackhawk taxing 13:42:09 vs Gen Ham standing around 13:42:26 MR and Ham walking *** 13:42:54 ss Ham walking 13:43:19 MR putting on survival kits 13:44:59 MR walks on board MV22 Osprey / MV-22 13:45:24 MR and Ham in helmets, sitting next to each other in Osprey 13:46:31 Ham talking on comms system 13:47:28 ws group seated in MV-22 13:47:59 looking out back, flying over fields 13:48:50 MR and Ham seated, looking out back 13:49:01 Ham looking down 13:49:10 crew members sitting on floor 13:49:33 crew members in seats 13:50:24 other Osprey through shot 13:50:40 looking out back, ocean, bright light 13:50:50 better light 13:51:32 over water, shaky 13:51:55 sun reflected over water 13:52:18 landing on USS Kearsarge / NOW ABOARD USS KEARSARGE 13:53:05 moving bombs in front of helo, shaky 13:53:09 Ham arrives on board USS Kearsarge, shaking hands 13:54:09 group photo taken 13:54:38 Ham talking to officer, has cap in hand PILOTS Captain Joe Andrejack ( USMC ) / UNITED STATES MARINE CORPS 13:55:27 TWO SHOT MJR: Tell me about that night. You knew you were going in to get a downed pilot right? (04) JA: Yes maam. That's about all the information we had. (06) We didn't know exactly what the situation was on the ground. (09) 13:55:55 TWO SHOT MJR: So you always look at it as possible hostile territory even thought that was a rebel-held area. JA: Yes maam. (05) 13:56:32 MJR: So you were on night vision? JA: Yes. 13:56:44 JA: We saw his flare on the ground. And we got eyes on his position. And a airplane way up overhead at about 25,000 feet was able to shine a laser down (15) in the vicinity of the downed pilot (17) and that just confirmed where we thought he was. (19) And we landed pretty much right on top of him. (21) 13:57:21 TWO SHOT MJR: How did he describe the situation? He was understandably a little frazzled. (06) And that was coming through in his communications over the radio. (10) CAPTAIN Erik Kolle, copilot ( USMC ) 14:00:52 EK: When we landed // and I turned and looked at Angry and // I was like you know that was probably the coolest thing I've done since I've been in the Marines. (05) 14:01:02 EK: We felt very good you know. We did something that was. (03) You know getting a guy out like that and having everything go off the way it's supposed to is very satisfying. (08) And it was very personally satisfying to see this guy - you know he's gonna get to go home. (13) 14:01:59 EK: Honestly the recon guys ran out and I was expecting to be there for a little bit and the crew chief about five seconds later said, "Hey, he's on board. Let's go." (09) 14:02:32 EK: We had our jets up there as well (ROUGH CAMERA PUSH) that were talking to him and I think they were just kind of telling him what they were seeing around him. (05) Because like Angry mentioned he didn't have goggles. Whereas the jets had a good picture what was going on down there. (11) So they were communicating with him. There was a few times I think his wing man was saying hey drink some water, take it easy. You know just trying to keep him a little bit - you know very mellow. (22) 14:03:06 MJR: So was he hiding in grass? (OFF CAM) EK: I think he was hiding like near a little bush. And there was - there was kind of rolling terrain there. (06) And there was little desert shrub-type bushes. I think he was hiding in that. And then (11) As soon as we set up for our approach to land he just started bolting to the airplane. I think he said that he was in our dust cloud by the time we landed. (21) 14:03:38 TWO SHOT EK: He had his sidearm away. Because he knew we had a lot of very -- MJR: You mean he had it out? Ready to shoot? EK: No he had it put away. (07) MJR: Put away, OK. Oh. And he was running at the airplane like this (09) (EK HAS HANDS UP IN SURRENDER) because you know the Marines in the back they're gonna treat everybody as an unknown until they identify that he's a friendly (16) so he didn't want any confusion that he was intending the airplane any harm or anything like that. (21) So he pretty much did everything right. Presented a very non-threatening image. 14:04:16 TWO SHOT MJR: Boy how'd that feel when you were taking off? EK: Oh it was awesome. (03) 14:04:32 TWO SHOT EK: It was awesome when they said "hey we got him," and I was like yes. You know he's not hurt. We got him on board. (04) And a few minutes from now we'll be out over the water and everything will be good. (08) Overall 45 minutes. Maybe 150-160 miles. 14:06:43 MR and pilots standing around talking 14:07:00 ws 14:07:13 low shot 14:07:27 MR walking in hallway of ship 14:08:08 following MR down ramp 14:08:31 Marines lined up in hangar of ship, vs 14:09:44 Raddatz SU - this crew has actually been underway for 210 days, only 4 days in port 14:10:58 reversal - Gen Ham speaking to crew 14:11:21 ss Gen Ham speaking 14:12:06 "tell anyone engaged in this operation, thanks from the President.whatever order he gives us will be accomplished precisely and with skill." 14:12:36 "recovery of downed jet crew or control of the air space..i used a very technical term as I was talking to the president, and he said 'how are the attacks going in Asidmihyah? And i said, mr President, the Marines are hammering the shit out of them.(laughter) he understood what that meant.all of us involved in this operation.we could not be more proud of what you're doing every day.there are missions out there that we can't see it.thank you from the bottom of my heart for all you are doing for our country, makes all of us very very proud" 14:14:24 Ham pinning awards on sailors Intv Gunnery SGT MABE / SERGEANT MABE 14:16:20 16 years, 2nd deployment since 2001 Intv Petty Officer Kelly Wiley 14:17:09 I was part of the intel support team, 14:17:21 first deployment 14:17:29 on board 2 and a half years.trying not to count anymore 14:17:51 from southern Maryland, calvert county 14:18:01 Lt Joshua Lyon, Danville, VA 14:18:15 2nd deployment, 1st to Afghan, last summer 14:18:28 24 years old 14:18:32 we just got here a little bit ago, it's been a whole new experience aboard ship 14:18:44 it's been great, we've worked a lot with sailors on board ship 14:19:16 Ham in survival gear, talking to others 14:19:45 following Ham out to MV-22 Osprey 14:20:34 MR and Ham in Osprey talking 14:21:52 USS Kearsarge aerial 14:22:18 MR riding in Osprey Interview with General Carter Ham 14:23:15 Q I want to ask you first about giving command to an intl body or NATO, where do we stand? HAM: as far I know there has not been a decision. But we're planning to hand over to NATO, the question is do we hand over the entirety of the mission, which is arms embargo, no fly zone and protect civilians, or some subset of that - obviously the preference is to hand off the entirety of the mission, so that's the discussion that's ongoing now - .what we are doing preparatory to that, is some of the mechanical work, establishing the NATO command and control system, communication system that is common throughout NATO, those kinds of things, starting to bring in officers from various NATO HQ so they become familiar with what we do so that when the decision is made, we are able affect this transition more easily. 14:24:18 Q it doesn't' sound like something that's just going to take a few days? 14:24:25 there are 2 pieces of it. The overall command piece can be done relatively quickly and I'm confident about that, but there are some frankly mechanical pieces and procedural pieces, particularly with regard to the air operations which are very, very complex, and we want to make sure that obviously we operate, we make that transition so that our airmen can operate safely, but we also want to ensure there is no loss of momentum in the air operations as well, while we affect the transition. 14:24:59 Q today, how kinetic? 14:25:06 there has been a shift - there are not as many fixed targets - we were targeting fixed sites, we are doing less of that, more dynamic targeting, regime ground forces that are engaging civilians in cities across the country 14:25:41 Q what do y ou see after you are no longer in command - how much involvement of US military 14:25:57 phrase we use is US will contribute its unique capabilities to second phase of operation - intel support we weill continue to provide, communications, tankers for aircraft, we wouldn'4t see a large number of fighter aircraft- the kind of mission would handover to others 14:26:47 Q first violation of nfz? 14:26:55 same report we saw a Libyan fighter jet taking off, it was detected by a French aircraft - in accordance with UNSCR, and withstanding rules of engagement appropriately, it attacked the aircraft 14:27:21 Q: in zirata, tanks and snipers 14:27:36 most difficult mission is when we have regime forces in cities - we remain conscouls and careful about civilian casualties = diff to distinguish btw opposition forces and regime forces, very difficult to discern who is attack who.toughest thing to do, it's very hard 14:28:26 Q how do you do that? 14:28:30 we have very precise weapons systems, we don't have all those systems brought to bear, even with those, there willb e difficulty of civilians in .very complex situation. What we are able to do what we have seen with good effect, disrupt command and control, effect on supply..get to a sniper on a rooftop is a very difficult for us 14:29:23 Q does it frustrate you? 14:29:29 as commander, I get the mission I get, I present operation to achieve that. There's, it's easy to say if we just had this or that, leads to other complicateing factors. Opposition says they don't want other ground forces engaged. It's a tough situation.it's going to be a tough one 14:30:18 Q you said you were worried about stalemate? 14:30:28 end state is pretty cleawr, establish NFZ, arms embargo, protect civilians and hand over to floow on HQ.this is an ongoing discussion, where is it where want to be.I am confident that conversation is occurring 14:31:09 Q does it surprise you that we are just now discussing what the next phase is? Given that you don't want to go in unless you know how you're going to get out? 14:31:23 sometimes conditions, things happen that don't let you do that. we could have had and obviously would have been nice to have , the longer debate about eventually what do you want to get to, like to see the intl community support in Libya. But he was slaughtering his own people, you can't stand by I don't think you can stand by and have a debate about that endstate while he is killing his own people, but that point it may have become a moot point. So I think what we did collectively to try to stop the killing is the right thing and I'm confident now that the discussions about what's next are occurring. 14:32:09 Q Gadhafi do you think he is waiting out? 14:32:20 we do see he is trying to be more on TV and radio, perhaps he is under int'l pressure, he is an int'l paraiah, I don't have a sense of his timeline.we are trying to protect as many civilians as we can 14:32:55 Q given his state of mind..do you see this thing dragging on for years. 14:33:10 I don't know, I can't state it any more plainly, I don't think about him. It's not in my mission set, disruopt the ability for leaders to control military forces, and that's what we focus on, that's the effort, our mission is clear, protect the civilians 14:33:48 Q could be a stalemate? 14:33:53 the way ahead, if we could get violence stopped - first step, Libyan people have self determination 14:34:16 Q to stop violence, you've said can't stop all the violence, you can't stop all the violence through air power, you can't get those snipers, you can't really tell people apart? 14:34:30 there are some pretty bad people, there is evil in the world, you just have look at regime actors. Maybe I'm just bought into this too much. I believe we are and can continue to make a difference, will we stopped all the violence, no, we haven't. does it bother me that there are innocent, civilian people who have been slaughtered by these people while it's been my mission to protect them, I absolutely take that to heart and that's why I think we have to do the absolute best we can each and every day for those who need our protection at this desperate moment. MR SU / RADDATZ STANDUP 14:35:30 Good evening david, we spent a day with Carter Ham..we traveled with him to in this Osprey behind me to see the troops at work OPEN: 14:36:17 Good David, from Sigonella Airbase in Italy. we spent an extraordinary day in the Mediterranean with General Carter Ham, who took over command of Africa command, just ten before this war began :15 CLOSE: 14:36:47 and David the Osprey that you see right behind me is the very one that rescued the F-15 pilot :08 CLOSE/ANSWER TO QUESTION: 14:37:03 that rescue truly was extraordinary, in fact the osprey right behind me is the Osprey they used in that rescue, David? :08 ] ANSWER TO QUESTION: 14:37:19 well those two Marine corps captains felt absolutely amazed by the whole rescue, as I said in the piece, it was the first time they'd ever done anything like that. Basically one of the captains said to me 'that was my best day in the Marine Corps,' David? :15 14:37:47 Question for David - tell us more what it was like, what they said to you, the marine corps pilots about the rescue... 14:38:05 Ham press conf cuts 14:38:22 side shot DV tape 4x3 14:40:37 Osprey taxiing 14:40:42 Erik in right hand (screen left) seat of Osprey 14:43:02 quick shot Osprey in flight 14:44:39 Ham arrival on deck 14:48:53 USS Kearsarge photo display 14:49:22 MV-22s on deck, props spinning 14:49:25 Anderjack walking out 14:52:12 Anderjack in pilot's seat 14:54:59 ws rear of Marines lined up 14:56:44 General Carter Ham talking to Marines 14:57:22 Marines milling around 14:57:28 MR / Martha Raddatz and Ham 14:58:32 Ham talking to aide
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London. <br/> <br/>L/S of a high-rise tower block with red double-decker buses driving past, tilt up the height of the building - "one problem, now solved, was whether these modern homes incurred a greater fire risk than the normal house". <br/> <br/>Boreham Wood (Borehamwood), Hertfordshire. <br/> <br/>M/S of a man carrying a wooden lattice block. He places the block on a table next to two smaller blocks. Panning shot along the row of blocks, models of modern multi-skyscrapers. M/S of two researchers at the Joint Fire Research Organisation. A metal tank is suspended from a cantilever, one of the researchers places a block in the tank. The experiment records how rapidly the skyscraper model burns by how quickly it loses weight. C/U of the weighing device at the top of the cantilever. C/U of a researcher starting a fire at the bottom of the block in the tank. M/S of the cantilever and the block burning very fiercely. C/U of the block burning, tilt up to the cantilever cable. M/S of the researcher kneeling taking notes, panning shot to the other researcher watching some instruments. C/U of flames coming from the tank, tilt up to the cantilever. C/U of one of the researchers looking at the fire, the heat and flames cause him to squint, tilt down to the fire - the block is almost reduced to ashes. <br/> <br/>M/S of another laboratory, flames leap from an open hatch in a large tank, two researchers are observing the experiment. C/U of the male researcher turning a knob that lets gas into the tank to control the rate of burning and discover if it is affected by the height or ferocity of the flames. C/U of the flames. C/U of a graph pen moving. M/S of the laboratory with the flaming tank. <br/> <br/>M/S of the radiation room, a female researcher is putting on asbestos gloves. C/U of the researcher placing a piece of fibreboard in front of a "gas fired panel". M/S of the researcher watching as the board bursts into flames, tilt down to reveal a male researcher taking notes on a clipboard. <br/> <br/>Exterior. M/S of a crowd of observers. M/S, looking through a window, of a researcher examining a pile of lattice wood blocks. Smoke rises from the bottom of the pile and the researcher exits. L/S of the four-storey building "specially constructed with fire-preventative material" that should limit any fire to the floor it started in. Tilt down the height of the building and the crowd. M/S of two men taking notes, panning shot to smoke coming from the windows. L/S of the crowd and the building. M/S of two men backing away from the flames leaping from the windows. High angle M/S of four official looking men observing the fire. M/S of the fierce flames, tilt up the height of the building. M/S of the burning building. M/S of a woman and a man using a cine camera to film the fire, panning shot to the fire.
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MARTHA RADDATZ ABOARD USS KEARSARGE - DISC 1
MARTHA RADDATZ ABOARD THE USS KEARSARGE ( LHD3 / LHD-3 ) OFF THE COAST OF ITALY AS THEY SUPPORT OPERATION ODYSSEY DAWN AGAINST LIBYA. DISC 1 Martha Raddatz with General Carter Ham 23 March 2011 13:34:29 USS Mt. Whitney at pier / USS MOUNT WHITNEY FROM CATANIA, ITALY 13:34:37 ts mast of Mt. Whitney 13:35:02 Marines on board 13:35:12 sailors on board 13:35:43 commander? Mt. Whitney 13:36:02 female sailors lined up 13:37:36 sailors waiting around 13:38:17 sailors lined up on sides of red carpet 13:38:43 General Ham, MR. commander of Mt Whitney 13:38:56 NATS whistle, Ham arrives on board 13:39:09 NATS whistle, MR on board 13:39:46 helo / helicopter lands on tarmac 13:39:52 MV-22 Ospreys starting up, propellers turning 13:40:57 Blackhawk taxing 13:42:09 vs Gen Ham standing around 13:42:26 MR and Ham walking *** 13:42:54 ss Ham walking 13:43:19 MR putting on survival kits 13:44:59 MR walks on board MV22 Osprey / MV-22 13:45:24 MR and Ham in helmets, sitting next to each other in Osprey 13:46:31 Ham talking on comms system 13:47:28 ws group seated in MV-22 13:47:59 looking out back, flying over fields 13:48:50 MR and Ham seated, looking out back 13:49:01 Ham looking down 13:49:10 crew members sitting on floor 13:49:33 crew members in seats 13:50:24 other Osprey through shot 13:50:40 looking out back, ocean, bright light 13:50:50 better light 13:51:32 over water, shaky 13:51:55 sun reflected over water 13:52:18 landing on USS Kearsarge / NOW ABOARD USS KEARSARGE 13:53:05 moving bombs in front of helo, shaky 13:53:09 Ham arrives on board USS Kearsarge, shaking hands 13:54:09 group photo taken 13:54:38 Ham talking to officer, has cap in hand PILOTS Captain Joe Andrejack ( USMC ) / UNITED STATES MARINE CORPS 13:55:27 TWO SHOT MJR: Tell me about that night. You knew you were going in to get a downed pilot right? (04) JA: Yes maam. That's about all the information we had. (06) We didn't know exactly what the situation was on the ground. (09) 13:55:55 TWO SHOT MJR: So you always look at it as possible hostile territory even thought that was a rebel-held area. JA: Yes maam. (05) 13:56:32 MJR: So you were on night vision? JA: Yes. 13:56:44 JA: We saw his flare on the ground. And we got eyes on his position. And a airplane way up overhead at about 25,000 feet was able to shine a laser down (15) in the vicinity of the downed pilot (17) and that just confirmed where we thought he was. (19) And we landed pretty much right on top of him. (21) 13:57:21 TWO SHOT MJR: How did he describe the situation? He was understandably a little frazzled. (06) And that was coming through in his communications over the radio. (10) CAPTAIN Erik Kolle, copilot ( USMC ) 14:00:52 EK: When we landed // and I turned and looked at Angry and // I was like you know that was probably the coolest thing I've done since I've been in the Marines. (05) 14:01:02 EK: We felt very good you know. We did something that was. (03) You know getting a guy out like that and having everything go off the way it's supposed to is very satisfying. (08) And it was very personally satisfying to see this guy - you know he's gonna get to go home. (13) 14:01:59 EK: Honestly the recon guys ran out and I was expecting to be there for a little bit and the crew chief about five seconds later said, "Hey, he's on board. Let's go." (09) 14:02:32 EK: We had our jets up there as well (ROUGH CAMERA PUSH) that were talking to him and I think they were just kind of telling him what they were seeing around him. (05) Because like Angry mentioned he didn't have goggles. Whereas the jets had a good picture what was going on down there. (11) So they were communicating with him. There was a few times I think his wing man was saying hey drink some water, take it easy. You know just trying to keep him a little bit - you know very mellow. (22) 14:03:06 MJR: So was he hiding in grass? (OFF CAM) EK: I think he was hiding like near a little bush. And there was - there was kind of rolling terrain there. (06) And there was little desert shrub-type bushes. I think he was hiding in that. And then (11) As soon as we set up for our approach to land he just started bolting to the airplane. I think he said that he was in our dust cloud by the time we landed. (21) 14:03:38 TWO SHOT EK: He had his sidearm away. Because he knew we had a lot of very -- MJR: You mean he had it out? Ready to shoot? EK: No he had it put away. (07) MJR: Put away, OK. Oh. And he was running at the airplane like this (09) (EK HAS HANDS UP IN SURRENDER) because you know the Marines in the back they're gonna treat everybody as an unknown until they identify that he's a friendly (16) so he didn't want any confusion that he was intending the airplane any harm or anything like that. (21) So he pretty much did everything right. Presented a very non-threatening image. 14:04:16 TWO SHOT MJR: Boy how'd that feel when you were taking off? EK: Oh it was awesome. (03) 14:04:32 TWO SHOT EK: It was awesome when they said "hey we got him," and I was like yes. You know he's not hurt. We got him on board. (04) And a few minutes from now we'll be out over the water and everything will be good. (08) Overall 45 minutes. Maybe 150-160 miles. 14:06:43 MR and pilots standing around talking 14:07:00 ws 14:07:13 low shot 14:07:27 MR walking in hallway of ship 14:08:08 following MR down ramp 14:08:31 Marines lined up in hangar of ship, vs 14:09:44 Raddatz SU - this crew has actually been underway for 210 days, only 4 days in port 14:10:58 reversal - Gen Ham speaking to crew 14:11:21 ss Gen Ham speaking 14:12:06 "tell anyone engaged in this operation, thanks from the President.whatever order he gives us will be accomplished precisely and with skill." 14:12:36 "recovery of downed jet crew or control of the air space..i used a very technical term as I was talking to the president, and he said 'how are the attacks going in Asidmihyah? And i said, mr President, the Marines are hammering the shit out of them.(laughter) he understood what that meant.all of us involved in this operation.we could not be more proud of what you're doing every day.there are missions out there that we can't see it.thank you from the bottom of my heart for all you are doing for our country, makes all of us very very proud" 14:14:24 Ham pinning awards on sailors Intv Gunnery SGT MABE / SERGEANT MABE 14:16:20 16 years, 2nd deployment since 2001 Intv Petty Officer Kelly Wiley 14:17:09 I was part of the intel support team, 14:17:21 first deployment 14:17:29 on board 2 and a half years.trying not to count anymore 14:17:51 from southern Maryland, calvert county 14:18:01 Lt Joshua Lyon, Danville, VA 14:18:15 2nd deployment, 1st to Afghan, last summer 14:18:28 24 years old 14:18:32 we just got here a little bit ago, it's been a whole new experience aboard ship 14:18:44 it's been great, we've worked a lot with sailors on board ship 14:19:16 Ham in survival gear, talking to others 14:19:45 following Ham out to MV-22 Osprey 14:20:34 MR and Ham in Osprey talking 14:21:52 USS Kearsarge aerial 14:22:18 MR riding in Osprey Interview with General Carter Ham 14:23:15 Q I want to ask you first about giving command to an intl body or NATO, where do we stand? HAM: as far I know there has not been a decision. But we're planning to hand over to NATO, the question is do we hand over the entirety of the mission, which is arms embargo, no fly zone and protect civilians, or some subset of that - obviously the preference is to hand off the entirety of the mission, so that's the discussion that's ongoing now - .what we are doing preparatory to that, is some of the mechanical work, establishing the NATO command and control system, communication system that is common throughout NATO, those kinds of things, starting to bring in officers from various NATO HQ so they become familiar with what we do so that when the decision is made, we are able affect this transition more easily. 14:24:18 Q it doesn't' sound like something that's just going to take a few days? 14:24:25 there are 2 pieces of it. The overall command piece can be done relatively quickly and I'm confident about that, but there are some frankly mechanical pieces and procedural pieces, particularly with regard to the air operations which are very, very complex, and we want to make sure that obviously we operate, we make that transition so that our airmen can operate safely, but we also want to ensure there is no loss of momentum in the air operations as well, while we affect the transition. 14:24:59 Q today, how kinetic? 14:25:06 there has been a shift - there are not as many fixed targets - we were targeting fixed sites, we are doing less of that, more dynamic targeting, regime ground forces that are engaging civilians in cities across the country 14:25:41 Q what do y ou see after you are no longer in command - how much involvement of US military 14:25:57 phrase we use is US will contribute its unique capabilities to second phase of operation - intel support we weill continue to provide, communications, tankers for aircraft, we wouldn'4t see a large number of fighter aircraft- the kind of mission would handover to others 14:26:47 Q first violation of nfz? 14:26:55 same report we saw a Libyan fighter jet taking off, it was detected by a French aircraft - in accordance with UNSCR, and withstanding rules of engagement appropriately, it attacked the aircraft 14:27:21 Q: in zirata, tanks and snipers 14:27:36 most difficult mission is when we have regime forces in cities - we remain conscouls and careful about civilian casualties = diff to distinguish btw opposition forces and regime forces, very difficult to discern who is attack who.toughest thing to do, it's very hard 14:28:26 Q how do you do that? 14:28:30 we have very precise weapons systems, we don't have all those systems brought to bear, even with those, there willb e difficulty of civilians in .very complex situation. What we are able to do what we have seen with good effect, disrupt command and control, effect on supply..get to a sniper on a rooftop is a very difficult for us 14:29:23 Q does it frustrate you? 14:29:29 as commander, I get the mission I get, I present operation to achieve that. There's, it's easy to say if we just had this or that, leads to other complicateing factors. Opposition says they don't want other ground forces engaged. It's a tough situation.it's going to be a tough one 14:30:18 Q you said you were worried about stalemate? 14:30:28 end state is pretty cleawr, establish NFZ, arms embargo, protect civilians and hand over to floow on HQ.this is an ongoing discussion, where is it where want to be.I am confident that conversation is occurring 14:31:09 Q does it surprise you that we are just now discussing what the next phase is? Given that you don't want to go in unless you know how you're going to get out? 14:31:23 sometimes conditions, things happen that don't let you do that. we could have had and obviously would have been nice to have , the longer debate about eventually what do you want to get to, like to see the intl community support in Libya. But he was slaughtering his own people, you can't stand by I don't think you can stand by and have a debate about that endstate while he is killing his own people, but that point it may have become a moot point. So I think what we did collectively to try to stop the killing is the right thing and I'm confident now that the discussions about what's next are occurring. 14:32:09 Q Gadhafi do you think he is waiting out? 14:32:20 we do see he is trying to be more on TV and radio, perhaps he is under int'l pressure, he is an int'l paraiah, I don't have a sense of his timeline.we are trying to protect as many civilians as we can 14:32:55 Q given his state of mind..do you see this thing dragging on for years. 14:33:10 I don't know, I can't state it any more plainly, I don't think about him. It's not in my mission set, disruopt the ability for leaders to control military forces, and that's what we focus on, that's the effort, our mission is clear, protect the civilians 14:33:48 Q could be a stalemate? 14:33:53 the way ahead, if we could get violence stopped - first step, Libyan people have self determination 14:34:16 Q to stop violence, you've said can't stop all the violence, you can't stop all the violence through air power, you can't get those snipers, you can't really tell people apart? 14:34:30 there are some pretty bad people, there is evil in the world, you just have look at regime actors. Maybe I'm just bought into this too much. I believe we are and can continue to make a difference, will we stopped all the violence, no, we haven't. does it bother me that there are innocent, civilian people who have been slaughtered by these people while it's been my mission to protect them, I absolutely take that to heart and that's why I think we have to do the absolute best we can each and every day for those who need our protection at this desperate moment. MR SU / RADDATZ STANDUP 14:35:30 Good evening david, we spent a day with Carter Ham..we traveled with him to in this Osprey behind me to see the troops at work OPEN: 14:36:17 Good David, from Sigonella Airbase in Italy. we spent an extraordinary day in the Mediterranean with General Carter Ham, who took over command of Africa command, just ten before this war began :15 CLOSE: 14:36:47 and David the Osprey that you see right behind me is the very one that rescued the F-15 pilot :08 CLOSE/ANSWER TO QUESTION: 14:37:03 that rescue truly was extraordinary, in fact the osprey right behind me is the Osprey they used in that rescue, David? :08 ] ANSWER TO QUESTION: 14:37:19 well those two Marine corps captains felt absolutely amazed by the whole rescue, as I said in the piece, it was the first time they'd ever done anything like that. Basically one of the captains said to me 'that was my best day in the Marine Corps,' David? :15 14:37:47 Question for David - tell us more what it was like, what they said to you, the marine corps pilots about the rescue... 14:38:05 Ham press conf cuts 14:38:22 side shot DV tape 4x3 14:40:37 Osprey taxiing 14:40:42 Erik in right hand (screen left) seat of Osprey 14:43:02 quick shot Osprey in flight 14:44:39 Ham arrival on deck 14:48:53 USS Kearsarge photo display 14:49:22 MV-22s on deck, props spinning 14:49:25 Anderjack walking out 14:52:12 Anderjack in pilot's seat 14:54:59 ws rear of Marines lined up ---------------------------------------------------------------
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APEX 04-25-10 1956EDT -----------End of rundown----------- AP-APTN-2330: US Tornado 2< Sunday, 25 April 2010< < STORY:US Tornado 2- REPLAY Tornado kills 10, wipes away homes; search and rescue continues LENGTH: 03:31 FIRST RUN: 2030 RESTRICTIONS: AP Clients Only/Must Courtesy TYPE: English/Natsound SOURCE: AP TELEVISION/POOL/AMVID STORY NUMBER: 643908 DATELINE: Yazoo - 24/25 April 2010 LENGTH: 03:31   AMATEUR VIDEO - MUST COURTESY MARVIN DAVIS / AP CLIENTS ONLY  POOL - AP CLIENTS ONLY  AP TELEVISION - AP CLIENTS ONLY  SHOTLIST:  AMATEUR VIDEO - MUST COURTESY MARVIN DAVIS / AP CLIENTS ONLY Yazoo City, Mississippi - 24 April, 2010 1. Wide of tornado seen over buildings, UPSOUND: sirens blaring 2. Pull out to wide of tornado  POOL - AP CLIENTS ONLY Yazoo County - 25 April, 2010 3. Aerial of house without roof 4. Aerial of debris and damaged houses 5. Aerial, push into trees knocked over by force of wind 6. UPSOUND (English) Ron Sullivan, survivor (describing what happened to Mississippi Governor Haley Barbour): "All I heard was the explosion, it literally took me back about 15-20 feet. I hit the wall and the wall went with me. (Barbour: And the wall went with you?) I have no bruises on my back. The wall absolutely went with me and then the debris came down on top of me." 7. Pan from equipment to debris where unidentified survivor ended up  AP TELEVISION - AP CLIENTS ONLY Yazoo County - 25 April, 2010 8. Mid of flag poles bent over 9. Pan of debris at site of where Hillcrest Baptist Church once stood, onlookers surveying damage 10. SOUNDBITE (English) Dale Thrasher, survivor: "I was at the front door and I seen the storm coming and the windows shaking, so I ran into sanctuary and got under the Communion Table. About that time I heard the windows coming out and then the building fell around me and the good Lord just put his arms around me and that Communion Table and I think that is the only two things that didn't move or destroyed in the church." 11. Various of congregation singing 'Amazing Grace' amid rubble 12. Pull out of man holding bible, looking at damage 13. Interior pan of house 14. Mid of roof of house on ground 15. Close of Sharon Moore and daughter Albreshauna looking at the wreckage of their new home 16. Pan of water flowing from damaged pipes on Moore's house's foundation pad 17. SOUNDBITE (English) Sharon Moore, survivor: "I'm just getting ready to move in, it was like the weekend coming up we were getting ready to move." 18. Zoom in to Albreshauna Moore crying, being comforted by mother and volunteer 19. Close of burst pipe and debris 20. SOUNDBITE (English) Albreshauna Moore, survivor: "The storm picked the bottom of my house and laid the roof on the concrete. And I am glad that I wasn't in the house." 21. Pan of wreckage of house 22. SOUNDBITE (English) Judy Miller, volunteer: "Last week we had just finished landscaping the area for her home and you know yesterday happened and it was gone in the blink of an eye." 23. Mid of Moore and friend looking at her destroyed home  STORYLINE:  Officials in rural Mississippi were trying to finalise the death toll and assess the damage on Sunday after a tornado tore across the state on Saturday.  At least six counties were hit and 10 people killed.  Dozens more were injured and hundreds of homes damaged.  The stories told by survivors on Sunday showed how much higher the toll could have been.  After an aerial tour of the damage, Mississippi Governor Haley Barbour described the scene in Yazoo County, where he grew up, as "utter obliteration.''  Barbour heard first hand from some survivors.  In Yazoo County, home to around 28-thousand, all that remained of Sullivan's Crossroads Grocery was a pile of rubble and some jars of pickled eggs and pigs' feet.  But owner Ron Sullivan, his wife and four other people managed to ride out the storm and suffered only some cuts and bruises.  Sullivan had been on the phone, describing the weather conditions to a meteorologist, when the line went dead and the twister hit, tearing the wooden roof off the store and hurling Sullivan into a brickwork wall.  A steel fuel storage tank, about 10 feet long, was uprooted by the twister and rolled into the store, coming to rest against a freezer.  Another man spoke of how he was forced to take refuge under a communion table as his church was blown to pieces around him.  Hundreds of homes were damaged in the storm, which carved a path of devastation from the Louisiana line to east-central Mississippi, and at least three dozen people were hurt.  Tornadoes also were reported in Louisiana, Arkansas and Alabama. The storm system tracked northeastwards, downing trees in northwest Georgia early on Sunday before moving offshore.  Mississippi's Choctaw County suffered the highest confirmed deaths: five, including a baby and two other children.  On Sunday, many people were focused on cleanup, with the buzz of chainsaws and tractors rumbling across the region.  Rescuers spread out to find anyone who might still be trapped, while survivors returned to demolished homes to salvage what they could and bulldoze the rubble.  Hundreds were still without power, and officials said some may be without power until Tuesday or even Wednesday.  Sharon Moore and daughter Albreshauna surveyed their ruined home in tears. Moore, a single mother with three children, had been participating in a programme to move economically disadvantaged families into new homes.  After spending 500 hours herself working on the house in the past year, she was preparing to move in next weekend.  All that changed after Saturday's tornado tore the roof off their home and left it in a neighbour's yard.  At least four people were killed in Yazoo County, and one died in neighbouring Holmes County.  Mississippi Emergency Management Agency spokesman Greg Flynn said at least three dozen people were hurt and nearly 200 homes damaged in Attala, Holmes, Monroe and Warren Counties.  Officials were still working to assess the total damage in Choctaw and Yazoo counties.  About 40 National Guard soldiers patrolled Yazoo City, some in Humvees and others in a Blackhawk helicopter on Sunday.  Dozens of state troopers and other law enforcement officers also came from far-flung parts of the state to help.  Meteorologists said it was too soon to tell whether a single long-lasting tornado, or multiple shorter ones, carved the path of destruction from northeastern Louisiana to east-central Mississippi.  ===============  Clients are reminded: (i) to check the terms of their licence agreements for use of content outside news programming and that further advice and assistance can be obtained from the AP Archive on: Tel +44 (0) 20 7482 7482 Email: info@aparchive.com (ii) they should check with the applicable collecting society in their Territory regarding the clearance of any sound recording or performance included within the AP Television News service (iii) they have editorial responsibility for the use of all and any content included within the AP Television News service and for libel, privacy, compliance and third party rights applicable to their Territory.  APTN (Copyright 2010 by The Associated Press. All Rights Reserved.) AP-NY-04-25-10 1927EDT< ------------------- END -- OF -- ITEM ------------------- AP-APTN-2330: ++US Mine< Sunday, 25 April 2010< < STORY:++US Mine- NEW Obama and Biden at memorial service for West Virginia miners LENGTH: 03:48 FIRST RUN: 2330 RESTRICTIONS: AP Clients Only TYPE: English/Natsound SOURCE: POOL STORY NUMBER: 643913 DATELINE: Beckley, West Virginia - 25 April 2010 LENGTH: 03:48    POOL - AP CLIENTS ONLY  SHOTLIST:  1. US President Barack Obama and US Vice President Joe Biden walking into memorial service, UPSOUND: audience applause 2. Obama and Biden shaking hands and taking their seats 3. Pull out from Obama and Biden with backs to camera to wide of stage, with white memorial crosses, photos of the miners, and large wreath with 29 white roses 4. Wide of West Virginia First Lady Gayle Manchin reading out the miners' names 5. STILL showing miner Jason Matthew Atkins (first name to be read out) 6. Applause as Atkins' family walks in, Obama clapping (standing right of screen) 7. Mid of row of photos of miners who died 8. Obama walking to the podium 9. SOUNDBITE (English) Barack Obama, US President: "How can we fail them? How can a nation that relies on its miners not do everything in its power to protect them? How can we let anyone in this country put their lives at risk by simply showing up to work, by simply pursuing the American Dream?" 10. Close of miners' photos on stage 11. SOUNDBITE (English) Barack Obama, US President: "They began their day as they worked in darkness, in coveralls and hard-toe boots, a hardhat over their heads. They would sit quietly for their hour-long journey, five miles (eight kilometres) into the mountain, the only light the lamp on their caps, or the glow from the mantrip (underground transport vehicle) they rode in." 12. Close pan of miners' helmets with lamps, each on a white cross (++overlaid with music at source++) 13. SOUNDBITE (English) Barack Obama, US President: "Most days, they would emerge from the dark mine, squinting at the light. Most days, they'd emerge, sweaty and dirty and dusted from coal. Most days they'd come home. But not that day." 14. Miner's helmets on crosses, pan up to photomontage of miners who died (++overlaid with music at source++) 15. SOUNDBITE (English) Barack Obama, US President: "All that hard work. All that hardship. All the time spent underground. It was all for their families. It was all for you. For a car in the driveway, a roof overhead. For a chance to give their kids opportunities they would never know, and enjoy retirement with their spouses. It was all in the hopes of something better. And so these miners lived as they died, in pursuit of the American Dream." 16. Various of lights on miners' helmets turned on in sequence 17. Wide of lights on miners' helmets alighting in unison, UPSOUND: audience applause 18. Mid of Obama walking out, with his arm on mourner's shoulder, shaking hands with people as he walks out (++overlaid with music at source++) 19. Miners' families walking out after memorial service (++overlaid with music at source++)  STORYLINE:  US President Barack Obama paid tribute on Sunday to the coal miners who died in a West Virginia mine accident earlier this month, the worst mining accident in a generation.  He said they had lived and died pursuing the American Dream.  Speaking at a memorial service in Beckley, Obama told the miners' families that the nation would honour the men's memories by improving safety in the mines.  "How can we fail them?" Obama asked.  "How can a nation that relies on its miners not do everything in its power to protect them?" he added.  With the families sitting near him, and the executive from the Massey Energy Company which runs the mine, sitting near the rear of the hall, Obama spoke broadly about the 29 workers killed in the explosion.  "Most days they would emerge, sweaty, dirty, dusted from coal," Obama said. "Most days they'd come home. But not that day."  Investigators have detected high levels of two potentially explosive gases inside the mine, and it could be a month before investigators can get inside to determine what caused the blast on 5 April, 2010 at the Upper Big Branch mine.  Federal regulators have identified highly explosive methane gas, coal dust or a mixture of the two as the likely cause of the blast, but the ignition source is unknown.  The explosion will be the subject of a Senate hearing on Tuesday, with the nation's top mine safety official expected to testify.  Obama has ordered a broad review of coal mines with poor safety records and urged federal officials to strengthen laws which he previously described as "so riddled with loopholes that they allow unsafe conditions to continue."  Vice President Joe Biden, speaking before Obama at the service, called miners "the spine of this nation" and "roughneck angels."  He said the time would come to account for the safety conditions that led to the disaster.  Obama linked the West Virginia deaths with the challenges Americans faced from coast to coast in a moribund economy.  Before the sombre memorial service, Obama and Biden met privately with the miners' families.  At the service a row of 29 white crosses fronted the main stage.  Behind the crosses were photos of the miners, and to the side of the stage stood a large wreath with 29 white roses, with two yellow roses in recognition of two injured miners.  Gayle Manchin, wife of the state governor, read out the miners' names, as a member from each family walked up and placed a miner's helmet on a corresponding cross.  During the service, the lights dimmed and one by one, each helmet-mounted lamp was lit in the darkness.  Governor Joe Manchin also promised action to improve mine safety, making a pledge to the families that their loved ones "would not die in vain."  ===============  Clients are reminded: (i) to check the terms of their licence agreements for use of content outside news programming and that further advice and assistance can be obtained from the AP Archive on: Tel +44 (0) 20 7482 7482 Email: info@aparchive.com (ii) they should check with the applicable collecting society in their Territory regarding the clearance of any sound recording or performance included within the AP Television News service (iii) they have editorial responsibility for the use of all and any content included within the AP Television News service and for libel, privacy, compliance and third party rights applicable to their Territory.  APTN (Copyright 2010 by The Associated Press. All Rights Reserved.) AP-NY-04-25-10 2036EDT< ------------------- END -- OF -- ITEM ------------------- AP-APTN-2330: Cuba Elections 2< Sunday, 25 April 2010< < STORY:Cuba Elections 2- REPLAY Municipal elections in Cuba, Raul Castro, Alarcon, march LENGTH: 03:02 FIRST RUN: 2030 RESTRICTIONS: Pt No Access Cuba TYPE: Spanish/Nat SOURCE: AP TELEVISION/CUBAVISION STORY NUMBER: 643907 DATELINE: Havana - 25 April 2010 LENGTH: 03:02   AP TELEVISION - AP CLIENTS ONLY CUBAVISION - NO ACCESS CUBA  SHOTLIST:  (FIRST RUN 1530 NEWS UPDATE - 25 APRIL 2010) AP TELEVISION - AP CLIENTS ONLY 1. Wide exterior of polling station 2. Ballot box been prepared for election, zoom in on ballot box 3. Candidates' resumes and photograph on window 4. Pan from man to election officials registering voter 5. Children dressed in their school uniforms standing next to ballot box as "guard of honour" as ballot being cast, man shakes hand with boy guard and kisses girl guard 6. Pull out of official registering voters 7. Wide of Havana street scene with people, bus and Cuban flag 8. Wide exterior of polling station with sign reading (Spanish): "Long Live Fidel" 9. Mid of polling station  (FIRST RUN 2030 LATAM PRIME NEWS - 25 APRIL 2010) CUBAVISION - NO ACCESS CUBA 10. Cuban President Raul Castro arriving at polling station 11. Various of Castro greeting and talking to election officials  (FIRST RUN 2030 LATAM PRIME NEWS - 25 APRIL 2010) AP TELEVISION - AP CLIENTS ONLY 12. Set up of President of the Cuban National Assembly Ricardo Alarcon coming out of polling station 13. SOUNDBITE (English) Ricardo Alarcon, President of the Cuban National Assembly: "Mrs Clinton is a very intelligent lady and I don't want to be rude with her but if she really believes that the continuation of the embargo is in the benefit of our government, it's very simple for her: ask Congress to lift the embargo." 14. Wide of Alarcon surrounded by media  (FIRST RUN 2030 LATAM PRIME NEWS - 25 APRIL 2010) AP TELEVISION - AP CLIENTS ONLY 15. Ladies in White beginning to march on 5th Avenue 16. Ladies in White are met by government sympathisers chanting pro-government slogans at them 17. Wide of pro-government group surrounding Ladies in White impeding their march 18. Ladies in White being pushed and shoved by government supporters 19. Ladies in White covered by Cuban flag brought by government supporters 20. Pan right of Ladies in White surrounded by chanting crowd  STORYLINE  Cuba held elections to fill municipal assemblies across the island on Sunday in a vote the communist government says belies criticism in Washington and Europe that Fidel Castro's half-century old revolution is not democratic.  Almost all of Cuba's 8.4 (m) million eligible voters were expected to turn out for the vote - which will choose 15,000 people to fill seats in 169 municipal assemblies.  Those elected won't be dealing with big geopolitical issues such as how to thaw frozen relations with the United States, or what measures must be taken to revitalise a near-dormant economy. Instead, they will be the first point of contact most Cubans have with their government, the person to see if electricity service is spotty or if the neighbours are making too much noise.  The municipal assemblies also have some role in electing those who will fill more important bodies including the regional assemblies and the national parliament, which in turn decides who will serve on the Council of State, Cuba's supreme governing body.  As president, Raul Castro is head of the Council of State. His brother Fidel, who stepped down permanently in 2008 after an undisclosed illness, remains leader of the Communist Party.  Cuba's leaders have charged that the international news media ignore the local voting as part of a global campaign to discredit the revolution. They say their system is, in fact, the most democratic in the world because it requires participation on a block-by-block level and is not influenced by money.  Critics say the elections are window-dressing since all real power is concentrated in the hands of the Castros and an aging cadre of revolutionaries who have been with them since they overthrew dictator Fulgencio Batista in 1959.  Raul Castro cast his ballot in Havana's Vedado neighbourhood. It was not clear whether Fidel would also venture out to a polling station. In 2007, the last time elections were held, a ballot box was brought to the ailing revolutionary so that he could vote.   Fidel, 83, has looked strong and alert in recent video released by the government, but he has not been seen in public in nearly four years.  Candidates in Sunday's vote are nominated by a show of hands at gatherings organised by the local government. Committees for the Defence of the Revolution - or CDRs - neighbourhood watch groups charged with keeping close tabs on their areas and with reporting seditious activity, help get people out to the gatherings.  While candidates do not need to be members of the Communist Party, the vast majority are in good standing with local authorities. The nomination process is done by a show of hands, but a committee must approve each candidate in order for their names to get on the ballot.  Campaigning is outlawed in Cuba, so voters learn about the candidates based either on word of mouth in the community or through a resume and photograph pasted onto the walls of voting centres.  As in other countries, each voter places a check mark by the name of the candidate they want, and the balloting is secret. While participation is not mandatory, it is strongly encouraged. Cubans 16 years of age or older can vote, and even younger schoolchildren play a role. Each ballot box is "guarded" by two children dressed in their school uniforms. In 2007, the last time municipal elections were held, turnout topped 95 percent.  Results were expected on Monday. A run-off to decide elections in which no candidate received at least 50 percent of the vote will be held on May 2.  Meanwhile, a small group of carefully choreographed government supporters shouted down an even smaller contingent of wives and mothers of jailed opposition activists, preventing their traditional march for the third straight week in another ugly confrontation that may be becoming a Cuban weekend tradition.  After seven years of peaceful protests following Mass in Havana's upscale Miramar neighbourhood, Cuba has begun blocking the "Ladies in White" from marching since the group never obtained written permission to do so.  Officials first broke up their demonstration on April 11, with a pro-government mob and buses that eventually gave the women a ride home.  The following Sunday, counter-demonstrators surrounded the ?Women in White,? refused to let them march and shouted insults in an hourslong standoff that ended with the women again being driven home.  This time, six members - down from nine last week - left the Santa Rita de Casia Church and crossed swank Fifth Avenue to hold their demonstration on a sidewalk that runs down the middle of the boulevard.  A state agent in a Che Guevara T-shirt said they couldn't march and Laura Pollan, one of the group's founders, tried to respond.  But the agent turned and walked away and that cued two waiting groups of about 50 counter-protesters each who came up the sidewalk from both directions hoisting large Cuban flags.  The women marched until they ran into one group, then retraced their steps until meeting the other.  They shouted "Freedom!" and held skyward the pink gladiolas they always carry.  The counter- protesters surrounded them and shouted "Fidel! Fidel!"  Muscular state security agents with earpieces wedged themselves in between the duelling protests to prevent violence.  Organisers in plainclothes moved through the counter-demonstrators suggesting chants.  The women moved to a nearby park, where they were surrounded and remained for more than two hours.  Members of the ?Women in White? are relatives of 75 opposition activists arrested in a 2003 crackdown on dissent, but Cuba claims they are agents of Washington out to destabilise government.  Also on Sunday, Ricardo Alarcon, head of Cuba's parliament, became the first top official to respond to an assertion by US Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton, that Fidel and Raul Castro don't want Washington's 48-year embargo lifted because they would no longer be able to blame America for their country's problems.  "Mrs. Clinton is a very intelligent woman and I don't want to be rude with her," Alarcon said. "If she really believes the continuation of the embargo is in the benefit of our government, it's very simple for her to ask Congress to lift the embargo."  He also suggested Washington suspend its trade restrictions for one year to see what happens.  ===============  Clients are reminded: (i) to check the terms of their licence agreements for use of content outside news programming and that further advice and assistance can be obtained from the AP Archive on: Tel +44 (0) 20 7482 7482 Email: info@aparchive.com (ii) they should check with the applicable collecting society in their Territory regarding the clearance of any sound recording or performance included within the AP Television News service (iii) they have editorial responsibility for the use of all and any content included within the AP Television News service and for libel, privacy, compliance and third party rights applicable to their Territory.  APTN (Copyright 2010 by The Associated Press. All Rights Reserved.) AP-NY-04-25-10 1927EDT< ------------------- END -- OF -- ITEM ------------------- AP-APTN-2330: Iran Missiles< Sunday, 25 April 2010< < STORY:Iran Missiles- REPLAY Iran fires short-range missiles in Gulf war games LENGTH: 01:06 FIRST RUN: 1830 RESTRICTIONS: NO ACCESS IRAN/BBC PERSIAN/VOA PERSIAN TYPE: Farsi/Nat SOURCE: IRIB STORY NUMBER: 643906 DATELINE: Persian Gulf - 25 April 2010 LENGTH: 01:06   CLIENTS NOTE: VIDEO ONLY - SHOTLIST AND STORYLINE TO FOLLOW AS SOON AS POSSIBLE  IRIB - NO ACCESS IRAN / NO ACCESS BBC PERSIAN / NO ACCESS VOA PERSIAN  ++AP Television is adhering to Iranian law that stipulates all media are banned from providing BBC Persian or VOA Persian any coverage from Iran, and under this law if any media violate this ban the Iranian authorities can immediately shut down that organisation in Tehran.++  SHOTLIST  1. Various of missiles being launched, vessels being hit by missiles as part of war games 2. SOUNDBITE (Farsi) General Ahmad Vahidi, Iranian Defence Minister: "(The war game) was a serious warning to extra regional powers who are after their own illegitimate interests (in the region) and showed how the security of the region can be realised by countries of the region." 4. Close-up of a radar screen 5. Mid of Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC) commanders  STORYLINE  Iran's state TV on Sunday showed a series of missiles being launched from Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC) naval vessels and launchers on the beach as part of an ongoing war game in the Persian Gulf and Strait of Hormuz.  The TV report Sunday said five ground-to-sea and sea-to-sea missiles were simultaneously fired.  It did not elaborate on the specifications of the missiles or say whether they are new.  However, the semiofficial Fars news agency said on Saturday that four types of short-range missiles would be launched on Sunday in the war games, including Nasr 1, a short-range cruise capable of destroying targets up to 3,000 tons in size.  Iran's Revolutionary Guard began the war games on Thursday, an annual show of military strength that often leads to heightened tension in the region. ===============  Clients are reminded: (i) to check the terms of their licence agreements for use of content outside news programming and that further advice and assistance can be obtained from the AP Archive on: Tel +44 (0) 20 7482 7482 Email: info@aparchive.com (ii) they should check with the applicable collecting society in their Territory regarding the clearance of any sound recording or performance included within the AP Television News service (iii) they have editorial responsibility for the use of all and any content included within the AP Television News service and for libel, privacy, compliance and third party rights applicable to their Territory.  APTN (Copyright 2010 by The Associated Press. All Rights Reserved.) AP-NY-04-25-10 1928EDT< ------------------- END -- OF -- ITEM ------------------- AP-APTN-2330: US IMF Greece 2< Sunday, 25 April 2010< < STORY:US IMF Greece 2- REPLAY Greek finance min confident debt talks will finish soon, presser LENGTH: 04:01 FIRST RUN: 1830 RESTRICTIONS: AP Clients Only TYPE: English/Nat SOURCE: AP TELEVISION STORY NUMBER: 643905 DATELINE: Washington DC - 25 April 2010 LENGTH: 04:01   AP TELEVISION - AP CLIENTS ONLY  ++VIDEO QUALITY AS INCOMING++  SHOTLIST:  (FIRST RUN 1630 EUROPE PRIME NEWS - 25 APRIL 2010) 1. Greek Finance Minister George Papaconstantinou walking in to news conference 2. SOUNDBITE: (English) George Papaconstantinou, Greek Finance Minister: "We are very confident that these negotiations, which have started even before we actually asked for the activation of the mechanism, will be concluded rather soon. They are going very well. We have a framework, which is a three year framework with strong conditionality criteria. A framework of a fiscal consolidation that will reassure first of all the Greek citizens that we're putting an end to the kind of fiscal situation that the country has and that we inherited when we came into government six months ago, that will reassure our European partners, the international community and the financial markets." 3. Pan of news conference 4. SOUNDBITE: (English) George Papaconstantinou, Greek Finance Minister: "We have full confidence that when the framework is completed and the negotiations are done that we will have is a statement of, rather a framework of conditionality and a finance conditions attached to it to which all European partners will be able to subscribe." 5. Various graphics of statement released by IMF Managing Director Dominique Strauss-Kahn 6. SOUNDBITE: (English) George Papaconstantinou, Greek Finance Minister: "I think early May is a good ballpark figure. I don't want to give a particular date. We all know that these negotiations take weeks. We are working very fast. As we talk here, the team of the EU, the ECB and the IMF in Greece is working with our collaborators on technical aspects. So, it is very clear that we want to conclude this as soon as possible." 7. Wide of G-20 Finance Group photo 8. Pan from World Bank President Robert Zoellick to IMF Managing Director Dominique Strauss-Kahn speaking with US Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner 9. Wide of finance ministers walking away 10. Various of ministers preparing for their round table discussions  (FIRST RUN 1830 NORTH AMERICA PRIME NEWS - 25 APRIL 2010) 11. Wide of news conference 12. SOUNDBITE: (English) Robert Zoellick, World Bank Chairman: "Today was a very good day for multi-lateralism and I would like to start by thanking our 186 share-holding countries for their strong vote of confidence in the World Bank group." 13. Mid of World Bank and IMF Officials 14. SOUNDBITE: (English) Robert Zoellick, World Bank Chairman: "We also made important strides of increasing the voice and influence of developing countries at the World Bank group. The endorsement of the shift in voting power is crucial for the banks legitimacy. It recognises that we need to consign outdated concepts like 'Third World' to the history books." 15. Cutaway of cameramen 16. SOUNDBITE: (English) Robert Zoellick, World Bank Chairman: "Well the first thing I will say is Japan is number two and the US remains number one. What this shift reflects is an agreement by our shareholders, because they are the ones that have to decide on the allocation to try to recognise the changes in the world economy." 17. End of news conference  STORYLINE  Greece's finance minister expressed confidence on Sunday that European governments and the International Monetary Fund soon would provide (b) billions of US dollars in emergency aid so his debt-burdened nation could make a large repayment on time in May.  George Papaconstantinou said that Greece had no intention of defaulting on its debt obligations by repaying creditors less than what they are owed.  After weekend talks at the International Monetary Fund's headquarters blocks from the White House, he said he expected the IMF's executive board in early May to approve Greece's request for about 13.4 (b) billion US dollars in loans.  The IMF's managing director, Dominique Strauss-Kahn, said he was optimistic that "we will conclude discussions in time to meet Greece's needs."  The Greek government, which is putting in place austerity measures, faces a debt payment of 11.3 (b) billion US dollars on May 19.  "We are all aware of the seriousness of the situation and the courageous efforts being made by the Greek people," Strauss-Kahn said in a statement.  In addition to the 13.4 (b) billion from the IMF, Greece is hoping to obtain loans of about 40 (b) billion US dollars from a group of 16 European countries that use the euro.  Strauss-Kahn said everyone involved in trying to help Greece sees "the need for speed," given the severity of the debt crisis.  Greece's woes weighed heavily on financial leaders as they wrapped up the spring meetings of the IMF and World Bank with a pledge to address the risks facing the global economic recovery.  The bank's steering committee discussed how to increase support to cushion the world's poorest countries from a recession that appears to be ending, even though serious threats such as high government debt and unemployment remain.  Crippled by soaring borrowing costs, Greece on Friday made a formal request for the aid. Prime Minister George Papandreou declared in a televised address that his country's economy was a "sinking ship."  European and IMF officials have made clear that their support will carry a high price: putting Greece's fiscal house in order. Greece has already agreed to begin an austerity program that cuts civil servants' pay, freezes pensions and raises taxes. But the country faces years of painful cutbacks and doubts about its long-term finances.  The austerity programme has already generated massive street protests and labour strikes in Greece.  Meanwhile the World Bank has agreed to dramatically increase the voting power of China, lifting it to the No. 3 spot in the 186-nation lending organisaton.  World Bank President Robert Zoellick said that the decision was made on Sunday by the organisation's policy-setting Development Committee.  The Committee also agreed to increase raise extra capital.  Briefing reporters, Zoellick welcomed the developments by saying, "today was a very good day for multilateralism."  The United States will retain the No. 1 spot in terms of voting power followed by Japan.  Before the realignment, China had ranked below a number of European countries. It has been pushing for a bigger say in international organisations to reflect its growing importance in the global economy.  ===============  Clients are reminded: (i) to check the terms of their licence agreements for use of content outside news programming and that further advice and assistance can be obtained from the AP Archive on: Tel +44 (0) 20 7482 7482 Email: info@aparchive.com (ii) they should check with the applicable collecting society in their Territory regarding the clearance of any sound recording or performance included within the AP Television News service (iii) they have editorial responsibility for the use of all and any content included within the AP Television News service and for libel, privacy, compliance and third party rights applicable to their Territory.  APTN (Copyright 2010 by The Associated Press. All Rights Reserved.) AP-NY-04-25-10 1930EDT< ------------------- END -- OF -- ITEM ------------------- AP-APTN-2330: ++Greece Finance< Sunday, 25 April 2010< < STORY:++Greece Finance- NEW Greeks struggle as gov says it's confident of landing billions in loans LENGTH: 02:08 FIRST RUN: 2330 RESTRICTIONS: No Access UK/CNNi/RTE/AL JAZEERA ENGLISH TYPE: English/Nat SOURCE: SKY STORY NUMBER: 643916 DATELINE: Athens - 25 Apr 2010 LENGTH: 02:08   SKY - NO ACCESS UK/RTE/CNNi/AL JAZEERA ENGLISH  SHOTLIST  1. Tilt down of fruit stall in main square 2. Vendor weighing out produce 3. Close of money and produce being exchanged 4. Close of weighing scales 5. Vendor weighing fruit 6. SOUNDBITE: (English) Vox pop, name unknown, Athens resident: "It had 'minused' the whole market and the profit has gone down." 7. SOUNDBITE: (English) Vox pop, name unknown, Athens resident: "It's very bad because the people feel poor." 8. Street artist Sava Relu-Ionel at work 9. Wide of artists drawing 10. Relu-Ionel drawing 11. Close of charcoal drawing 12. Various of Relu-Ionel drawing 13. Close of part of drawing with word reading (English): "Debt" 14. Relu-Ionel holding up finished drawing showing Greek god Atlas carrying globe on his shoulders representing Greece's debt 15. SOUNDBITE: (English) Sava Relu-Ionel, street artist, originally from Romania: "Step by step, the people don't have money, problems, economics, and the life - more difficult for me now. Before - it's incomparable." 16. Various of people at fruit stall 17. People in square 18. Man in square selling balloons 19. Shoppers walking in square 20. Teacher Anna Skoura getting out of tent at protest outside parliament building, walking over to another protester 21. SOUNDBITE: (English) Anna Skoura, teacher: "I think that we all have to pay things that we're not responsible about. People in Greece haven't created the crisis." 22. Two men talking, tilt down to child eating ice cream 23. Miniature train passing by  STORYLINE  Greece's finance minister said on Sunday he was confident that his country would be able to secure (b) billions of dollars in emergency loans from the International Monetary Fund and European countries - but many Greeks are worried about what the consequences of the borrowing will be for them, according to a Sky News report.  Many Greeks are struggling with the effects of the country's crippling debt crisis.  The government has already implemented painful cuts to try to improve the national finances.  But it is likely the IMF and the euro-zone governments will require even tougher measures in return for assistance, which many Greeks are worried could lead to further public sector job losses, Sky said.  In central Athens on Sunday, many people said the effects of the crisis could be felt across the whole economy.  Street artist Sava Relu-Ionel, who moved to Greece from his native Romania in 2001, said his income had shrunk dramatically.  Life now was "incomparable" to how it was before, he said.  Other people complained that the government's request for aid had come too late.  According to a poll published on Saturday in the weekly Proto Thema newspaper, more than 37 percent of Greeks believed the government, led by Prime Minister George Papandreou, had been too slow in responding to the crisis.  Greece's government was forced to formally request assistance from other European nations and the IMF on Friday, after months of saying it would be able to weather the debt crisis using its own resources.  Greece is now hoping to obtain emergency loans of about 40 (b) billion US dollars from the group of 16 European countries which, like Greece, use the euro as a common currency, and an additional 13.4 (b) billion US dollars from the IMF.  Many public sector workers are worried that the emergency aid will have tough consequences for them.  Teacher Anna Skoura was taking part in a protest outside the parliament building in Athens on Sunday.  She blamed government corruption for the debt crisis but said ordinary people would end up paying for it.  "I think that we all have to pay things that we're not responsible about. People in Greece haven't created the crisis," she said.  In Washington on Sunday, Greek Finance Minister George Papaconstantinou said he had no doubts that his country would be able to secure the emergency aid, and warned market speculators betting against Greece would "lose their shirts."  Papaconstantinou told reporters that he expected the IMF board would approve its portion of the loan support within the first 10 days of May and that approval would be in time to meet a large payment of 11.3 (b) billion US dollars on Greek bonds due on May 19.  He said that he expected the support from the IMF and the European governments to be provided at the same time, but said if some European parliaments were delayed in approving their contributions, the IMF support could be used to obtain bridge financing from other sources.  ===============  Clients are reminded: (i) to check the terms of their licence agreements for use of content outside news programming and that further advice and assistance can be obtained from the AP Archive on: Tel +44 (0) 20 7482 7482 Email: info@aparchive.com (ii) they should check with the applicable collecting society in their Territory regarding the clearance of any sound recording or performance included within the AP Television News service (iii) they have editorial responsibility for the use of all and any content included within the AP Television News service and for libel, privacy, compliance and third party rights applicable to their Territory.  APTN (Copyright 2010 by The Associated Press. All Rights Reserved.) AP-NY-04-25-10 1956EDT< ------------------- END -- OF -- ITEM ------------------- AP-APTN-2330: Mexico Spain Matador< Sunday, 25 April 2010< < STORY:Mexico Spain Matador- REPLAY Top Spanish matador gored by bull, needed 8 litres of blood LENGTH: 02:39 FIRST RUN: 2030 RESTRICTIONS: AP Clients Only/Must Courtesy TYPE: Natsound SOURCE: AGUASCALIENTES TV STORY NUMBER: 643915 DATELINE: Aguascalientes - 24 Apr 2010 LENGTH: 02:39   AGUASCALIENTES TV - AP CLIENTS ONLY / MUST ON SCREEN COURTESY AGUASCALIENTES TV  SHOTLIST  ++DAY SHOTS++ 1. Matador Jose Tomas fighting bull, bull turns quickly and lifts Tomas into air on its horns, Tomas falls to ground 2. Same shot in slow motion, Tomas rolling on the ground 3. Other bullfighters and workers running into the ring to help, carrying Tomas out, UPSOUND: crowd applauding 4. Trail of Tomas' blood on floor 5. People forming security barrier in front of emergency room at bullfighting ring where Tomas is receiving first aid, zoom in to Tomas' father, also named Jose Tomas, crying and being comforted 6. Tomas' blood on steps 7. People talking outside emergency room ++NIGHT SHOTS++ 8. Top shot of Jose Tomas' father about to get into car, tilt down to other people getting into car, zoom in to Salvador Boix, manager of Jose Tomas 9. Close of another bullfighter 10. Tracking shot of Tomas on trolley being wheeled to ambulance, UPSOUND: people applauding 11. Wide of crowd outside bullfighting ring, ambulance driving away  STORYLINE  One of Spain's top matadors was seriously injured in Mexico when a 1,100-pound (500-kilogram) bull gored him in the groin and hoisted him into the air, causing major blood loss, his manager said on Sunday.  Jose Tomas received a transfusion of eight litres (17 pints) of blood after being gored on Saturday by a beast named Navegante in the Mexican city of Aguascalientes.  The bull's horn penetrated 4 inches (10 centimetres) into Tomas' groin and punctured a vein and an artery, Tomas' manager told Spanish radio.  Tomas, one of Spain's most popular matadors, has a relatively rare blood type; A- , and bled so profusely that bullring officials appealed over the arena loudspeakers for compatible donors to come forward for transfusions, Boix said.  Bullring doctors operated on the 34-year-old Tomas immediately to stabilise him, and he underwent more surgery later at a hospital for more than three hours.  Television footage broadcast by Aguascalientes TV showed Tomas working the animal with his cape, when the bull made a quick turn towards him and caught him in the groin, lifting him into the air for a few seconds and shaking its head with Tomas dangling from its left horn.  Once on the ground, Tomas rolled away and held his hands up as if to say he was OK, but a large, dark red stain was already spreading through his glittering gold suit.  The newspaper El Pais said Tomas' injury was so serious that the bullring doctors who first operated on him did not even take time to anesthetise him.  Tomas is known for a daring bullfighting style in which he gets particularly close to the bull.  His full name is Jose Tomas Roman Martin, but he goes by just Jose Tomas.  In Spain, he has been something of an enigma: in 2002, at the peak of his career, Tomas suddenly retired without saying why.  Tomas returned to the ring in 2007 to tremendous fanfare - he told one interviewer that "living without bullfighting is not living."  Since then he has suffered a number of serious gorings in Spain.  ===============  Clients are reminded: (i) to check the terms of their licence agreements for use of content outside news programming and that further advice and assistance can be obtained from the AP Archive on: Tel +44 (0) 20 7482 7482 Email: info@aparchive.com (ii) they should check with the applicable collecting society in their Territory regarding the clearance of any sound recording or performance included within the AP Television News service (iii) they have editorial responsibility for the use of all and any content included within the AP Television News service and for libel, privacy, compliance and third party rights applicable to their Territory.  APTN (Copyright 2010 by The Associated Press. All Rights Reserved.) AP-NY-04-25-10 1930EDT< ------------------- END -- OF -- ITEM ------------------- AP-APTN-2330: Germany Stork< Sunday, 25 April 2010< < STORY:Germany Stork- REPLAY Blue stork attracts tourists to village of Biegen LENGTH: 02:23 FIRST RUN: 1730 RESTRICTIONS: See Script TYPE: German/Nats SOURCE: RTL STORY NUMBER: 643903 DATELINE: Biegen - 25 April 2010 LENGTH: 02:23   RTL - No Access Germany, Austria (except: Infoscreen, ATV+), German-speaking Switzerland (except: Telezueri), Luxemburg &amp;amp; Alto Adige  SHOTLIST  1. Tilt up from chimney to blue stork standing on nest with white mate 2. Wide top shot of spectators, pan to storks 3. Close up of photographer taking picture, zoom-out 4. Mid shot of storks 5. Spectators watching stork with binoculars and camera 6. Mid of storks 7. Pan of women watching stork 8. Mid of storks; UPSOUND: Blue stork makes distinctive beak clattering sound 9. Mid of man and woman watching stork 10. SOUNDBITE (German) Vox Pop, no name given, man from Berlin who came to see the blue stork: "Well, it's the blue stork! Nobody knows why it is blue and it is nowhere written, there is only speculation about it, that it may have taken a bath in paint or that someone may have made a joke. But a blue stork, actually it is turquoise, you must have seen it. It is the first blue stork in my life." 11. Pan from stork to spectator 12. Wide of blue stork in field 11. Mid of two female ostriches in nearby field 12. Wide of blue stork flying 13. Close-up of post card showing image of blue and white stork, reading: (German) "Greetings from the 'Blue inhabitant of Biegen'" 14. Mid of Manfred Wilke, district mayor of Biegen, with poster of blue stork and mate 15. Restaurant owner Martin Pfeiffer laying blue stork postcards on table 16. SOUNDBITE (German) Martin Pfeiffer, owner of restaurant in Beigen: "It became an attraction in Biegen. It is good for the economy, for the small economy of Biegen, starting with the small carpentry, to the cafes and restaurants . It's well accepted. We just reopened. And I hope that it will attract more guests." 17. Pfeiffer serving ice cream dessert called "Blue Stork" 18. Close-up of dessert called "Blue Stork" 19. Wide of blue stork walking in field  STORYLINE  The village of Biegen in Germany has become home to a rare specimen which is ruffling feathers: a stork with a striking blue plumage.  How the normally white bird got its unusual colouring isn't certain, although experts believe the most likely explanation is that the stork took a bath in some blue paint or coloured water. Storks migrate long distances and often rest in rubbish dumps where it is thought this individual may have picked up its distinctive hue.  Tourists have travelled from around Germany to catch a glimpse of the animal.  "It is the first blue stork in my life," said one visitor from Berlin.  Local restaurant owner Martin Pfeiffer is selling postcards of the stork and its white mate and he says the bird has been good for business generally.  "It became an attraction in Biegen. It is good for the economy, for the small economy of Biegen, starting with the small carpentry, to the cafes and restaurants," Pfeiffer said. ===============  Clients are reminded: (i) to check the terms of their licence agreements for use of content outside news programming and that further advice and assistance can be obtained from the AP Archive on: Tel +44 (0) 20 7482 7482 Email: info@aparchive.com (ii) they should check with the applicable collecting society in their Territory regarding the clearance of any sound recording or performance included within the AP Television News service (iii) they have editorial responsibility for the use of all and any content included within the AP Television News service and for libel, privacy, compliance and third party rights applicable to their Territory.  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AP-APTN-1830 North America Prime News -Final Sunday, 2 May 2010 North America Prime News US Times Sq 6 03:14 PART NO ACCESS NAMERICA/INT REPLAY AP pix as Taliban claims responsibility; intv with hot dog vendor; Napolitano ++Internet Pakistan Taliban 01:18 See Script NEW +GRAPHIC+ Purported Pakistani Taliban msg claims responsibility for NYC bomb attempt ++US Iran 01:27 See Script NEW Clinton says Iran is in violation of nuclear non-proliferation treaty EU Greece 3 05:02 AP Clients Only REPLAY Eurozone ministers discuss Greece bailout; roundtable; Merkel Italy Pope 2 02:29 AP Clients Only REPLAY Pope Benedict XVI visits Turin, views Shroud Germany Video 00:34 AP Clients Only REPLAY Police investigate after officer seen in AmVid kicking protester in the head ++EU Greece 4 03:03 AP Clients Only NEW Juncker says aid plan for Greece will be euros 110 billion over 3 years Iraq Blasts 2 02:48 Part No Access Iraq WRAP At least 1 dead, 100 injured in double bomb attack; scene of blasts MidEast Talks 2 02:47 AP Clients Only WRAP Israeli PM welcomes progress toward peace talks; Hamas reax B-u-l-l-e-t-i-n begins at 1830 GMT. APEX 05-02-10 1456EDT -----------End of rundown----------- AP-APTN-1830: US Times Sq 6 Sunday, 2 May 2010 STORY:US Times Sq 6- REPLAY AP pix as Taliban claims responsibility; intv with hot dog vendor; Napolitano LENGTH: 03:14 FIRST RUN: 1630 RESTRICTIONS: PART NO ACCESS NAMERICA/INT TYPE: English/Natsound SOURCE: AP TELEVISION/ABC STORY NUMBER: 644503 DATELINE: New York, 2 May 2010 LENGTH: 03:14 AP TELEVISION - AP CLIENTS ONLY ABC - NO ACCESS NORTH AMERICA/ INTERNET SHOTLIST: AP TELEVISION - AP CLIENTS ONLY 1. Wide of Times Square 2. People on street 3. Police from New York Police Department on street 4. Pan of electronic billboards ABC - NO ACCESS NORTH AMERICA/ INTERNET 5. Mid shot of Janet Napolitano and TV anchor 6. SOUNDBITE: (English) Janet Napolitano, Homeland Security Secretary: "Well, right now we have no evidence that it is anything other than a one-off, but we are alerting state and local officials around the country, letting them know, what is going on, the forensics are being done. As leads evolve or develop, they will all be tracked down. This is getting attention - FBI (Federal Bureau of Investigation), Department of Homeland Security, New York City police - everybody is on it." AP TELEVISION - AP CLIENTS ONLY 7. Pan of Times Square 8. Tourists shopping at street stall 9. SOUNDBITE: (English) Duane Jackson, street vendor who notified the police: "The mounted police came by and we directed them to the car saying, you know, 'we don't know whose it is.' And then shortly after that, the smoke started coming out of the car, you know and I was like, 'whoa', you know. And they were saying, "Did anybody call the fire department?" And of course, the fire department had been called at that particular point. And maybe about three or four minutes after that, that's when we first heard the popping sound and it was like firecrackers going off, and black smoke, and that's when everybody just ran down the street, you know. I took off, everybody took off." 10. Police crossing the road 11. SOUNDBITE: (English) Duane Jackson, street vendor who notified the police: "If somebody comes into Kennedy Airport right now and doesn't read the newspapers or look at television and comes to Times Square, they would assume, it's business as usual, nothing happened. And that's the resilience of New York and the resilience of Times Square. I mean, you know, every day there's a whole new group of tourists that come in from all over the world and that's what we thrive on." 12. Various of people sitting in street cafe 13. People shopping at street stall 14. SOUNDBITE: (English) Latoma (no last name), tourist from Indiana "Not at all. I think there's enough security out here this morning, police are everywhere. I think if they're going to try something, there's nothing I can do about it. So, I'm not going to let it, I'm not going to be fearful of it, I'm just going to get out here and enjoy what I can enjoy while I'm here and be happy." 15. SOUNDBITE: (English) Earl Morriss, tourist from Seattle: "Hey, that's the world today, it's like, I've been to a lot of other places in the world where a terrorist attack happened while I was there or shortly afterwards. In Moscow, I was in front of a hotel that a week later, peoples' heads got blown off. It's a sad state of affairs, but you know, that's just the world." 16. Police on street 17. Wide of street cafe in Times Square STORYLINE: The Pakistani Taliban claimed responsibility in a video released on Sunday for the attempted car bomb attack in Times Square in New York City according to a monitoring website. Police found an "amateurish" but potentially powerful bomb in a smoking sport utility vehicle parked in Times Square - one of the city's main tourist destinations, authorities said on Sunday. Several hours after the incident, the Pakistani Taliban claimed responsibility in a video released on Sunday for the attempted car bomb attack. Thousands of tourists were cleared from the streets near the Broadway theatres for 10 hours after two vendors alerted police to the suspicious vehicle, which contained three propane tanks, fireworks, two filled 5-gallon (19-litre) gasoline containers, and two clocks with batteries, electrical wire and other components, Police Commissioner Raymond Kelly said. The bomb appeared to be starting to detonate but malfunctioned, a top police spokesman said on Sunday. Firefighters and witnesses said they heard a popping sound from inside the vehicle. In one minute video allegedly released by the Pakistani Taliban, the group says the attack is revenge for the death of its leader Baitullah Mehsud and the recent killings of the top leaders of al-Qaida in Iraq. The video was uncovered on Sunday by the US-based SITE intelligence Group, which monitors militant websites. Before the announcement from the Taliban, US Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano said on NBC's "Meet the Press" that officials are treating the incident as a potential extremist attack. "As leads evolve or develop, they will all be tracked down. This is getting attention - FBI (Federal Bureau of Investigation), Department of Homeland Security, New York City police - everybody is on it," she added. A T-shirt vendor and a handbag vendor alerted police at about 6:30 pm (2230 GMT) the height of dinner hour before theatre goers head to Saturday night shows. Duane Jackson, a 58-year-old handbag vendor, said he noticed the car and wondered who had left it there. Jackson said he looked in the car and saw keys in the ignition with 19 or 20 keys on a ring. He said he alerted a passing mounted police officer. "That's when we first heard the popping sound and it was like firecrackers going off, and black smoke, and that's when everybody just ran down the street, you know. I took off, everybody took off," he said. He didn't think the car had been there for more than 10 or 15 minutes. A white robotic police arm broke windows of the SUV to remove any explosive materials. US President Barack Obama, praised the quick response by the New York Police Department, a White House spokesman said. Officials said the device found on Saturday was crudely constructed, but Islamic militants have used propane and compressed gas for years to enhance the force of explosives. Those instances include the 1983 suicide attack on the US Marines barracks at the Beirut airport that killed 241 US service members, and the 2007 attack on the international airport in Glasgow, Scotland. In 2007, the US military announced that an al-Qaida front group was using propane to rig car bombs in Iraq. The Pakistani Taliban is one of Pakistan's largest and deadliest militant groups. It has strong links to al-Qaida and is based in the northwest close to the Afghan border. The group has carried out scores of bloody attacks inside Pakistan in recent years, mostly against Pakistani targets, but it has made no secret of its hatred toward the United States. If the claim of responsibility is genuine, it would be the first time the group has struck outside of South Asia. Last year, its then commander, Baitullah Mehsud, vowed to "amaze everyone in the world" with an attack on Washington or even the White House. But Mehsud also reportedly said his men were behind a mass shooting in March 2009 at the American Civic Association in Binghamton in April 2009. That claim turned out to be false. Clients are reminded: (i) to check the terms of their licence agreements for use of content outside news programming and that further advice and assistance can be obtained from the AP Archive on: Tel +44 (0) 20 7482 7482 Email: infoaparchive.com (ii) they should check with the applicable collecting society in their Territory regarding the clearance of any sound recording or performance included within the AP Television News service (iii) they have editorial responsibility for the use of all and any content included within the AP Television News service and for libel, privacy, compliance and third party rights applicable to their Territory. APTN APEX 05-02-10 1444EDT ------------------- END -- OF -- ITEM ------------------- AP-APTN-1830: ++Internet Pakistan Taliban Sunday, 2 May 2010 STORY:++Internet Pakistan Taliban- NEW +GRAPHIC+ Purported Pakistani Taliban msg claims NYC car bomb attempt LENGTH: 01:18 FIRST RUN: 1830 RESTRICTIONS: See Script TYPE: Natsound SOURCE: SITE STORY NUMBER: 644515 DATELINE: Unknown date and location LENGTH: 01:18 ++PLEASE NOTE THIS VIDEO CONTAINS SOME GRAPHIC IMAGES OF DEAD BODIES++ SITE INTELLIGENCE GROUP - AP CLIENTS ONLY THE ASSOCIATED PRESS HAS NO WAY OF INDEPENDENTLY VERIFYING THE CONTENT, LOCATION OR DATE OF THIS VIDEO PLEASE DO NOT OBSCURE ON-SCREEN LOGO AND CREDIT SITE INTELLIGENCE GROUP IN ANY ACCOMPANYING VOICE-OVER SITE INTELLIGENCE GROUP IS A WASHINGTON-BASED MONITOR OF MILITANT WEB SITES THE TRANSLATIONS OVERLAID ARE NOT AP TRANSLATIONS SHOTLIST ++VIDEO SUBTITLED IN ENGLISH THROUGHOUT. PLEASE NOTE: THE TRANSLATIONS OVERLAID ARE NOT AP TRANSLATIONS++ 1. Slate reading (English) "Tehrik-e-Taliban (TTP) Claim of Times Square Attack. May 2, 2010 SITE Intelligence Group" 2. Text in gold letters on a black background celebrating the "jawbreaking blow to Satan's USA." UPSOUND: Unidentified speaker 3. Various of dead bodies, some purported to be slain militants, according to speaker. Second image (man with red background) is of slain Al Qaida leader in Iraq Abu Ayyub al-Masri. Image of woman is alleged al-Qaida associate Aafia Siddiqui seen in the custody of Counter Terrorism Department of Ghazni province in Ghazni City, Afghanistan in 2008. UPSOUND: Unidentified speaker 4. Various of purported NATO (North Atlantic Treaty Organisation) meeting UPSOUND: Unidentified speaker 5. Graphic montage of various images, including picture of US President Barack Obama UPSOUND: Unidentified speaker STORYLINE The Pakistani Taliban has claimed responsibility in a video released on Sunday for the attempted car bomb attack in New York City's Times Square. Despite the claim of responsibility, New York City's police commissioner said there was no evidence of a Taliban link to the failed car bomb. In the 1 minute, 11 second video allegedly released by the Pakistani Taliban, the group says the attack is revenge for the death of its leader, Baitullah Mehsud, and the recent slayings of leaders of al-Qaida in Iraq - Abu Omar al-Baghdadi and Abu Ayyub al-Masri - killed by US and Iraqi troops last month north of Baghdad. An unidentified speaker on the tape also says the attack comes in response to American "interference and terrorism in Muslim Countries, especially in Pakistan," and cites US missile attacks in Pakistan's tribal areas that have targeted Taliban leaders hiding there. If the claim of responsibility is genuine, it would be the first time the group has struck outside of South Asia. It has no known global infrastructure like al-Qaida. In at least one past instance, the Pakistani Taliban has claimed responsibility for an attack it played no role in. The claim, which was posted on militant websites and uncovered by the US-based SITE Intelligence Group, could not be immediately confirmed. The tape makes no specific reference to Saturday's failed attack in New York; it does not mention that it was a car bomb or where the attack took place. At the start of the video, a text in gold letters on a black background celebrates the "jawbreaking blow to Satan's USA." As the speaker delivers the message, images of the purported slain militants referred to flash across the screen. English subtitles are provided at the bottom of the screen. The video also includes a 2008 still of alleged al-Qaida female associate Aafia Siddiqui seen in the custody of Counter Terrorism Department of Ghazni province in Ghazni City, Afghanistan. Siddiqui was accused of grabbing a US Army officer's rifle in Afghanistan in July 2008 and firing at US soldiers and FBI agents. The voice also calls on NATO countries to oppose "evil US policies" and "sincerely apologise for the massacres in Iraq, Yemen, Afghanistan and Pakistani tribal areas." The video was uncovered Sunday by SITE, which monitors militant websites. The claim came a day after police in New York found a potentially powerful car bomb that apparently began to detonate but did not explode in a smoking sport utility vehicle in Times Square. Thousands of tourists were cleared from the streets for 10 hours after two vendors alerted police to the suspicious vehicle, which contained three propane tanks, fireworks, two filled 5-gallon gasoline containers, and two clocks with batteries, electrical wire and other components, officials said. The Pakistani Taliban is one of Pakistan's largest and deadliest militant groups. It has strong links to al-Qaida and is based in the northwest close to the Afghan border. The group has carried out scores of bloody attacks inside Pakistan in recent years, mostly against Pakistani targets, but it has made no secret of its stance against the United States. Last year, its then commander, Baitullah Mehsud, vowed to "amaze everyone in the world" with an attack on Washington or even the White House. But Mehsud also reportedly said his men were behind a mass shooting in March 2009 at the American Civic Association in Binghamton in April 2009. That claim turned out to be false. Clients are reminded: (i) to check the terms of their licence agreements for use of content outside news programming and that further advice and assistance can be obtained from the AP Archive on: Tel +44 (0) 20 7482 7482 Email: infoaparchive.com (ii) they should check with the applicable collecting society in their Territory regarding the clearance of any sound recording or performance included within the AP Television News service (iii) they have editorial responsibility for the use of all and any content included within the AP Television News service and for libel, privacy, compliance and third party rights applicable to their Territory. APTN APEX 05-02-10 1623EDT ------------------- END -- OF -- ITEM ------------------- AP-APTN-1830: ++US Iran Sunday, 2 May 2010 STORY:++US Iran- NEW Clinton says Iran is in violation of nuclear non-proliferation treaty LENGTH: 01:27 FIRST RUN: 1830 RESTRICTIONS: See Script TYPE: English/Nat SOURCE: NBC STORY NUMBER: 644514 DATELINE: Washington DC - 30 Apr 2010 LENGTH: 01:27 NBC - Meet the Press - Must On-Screen Courtesy 'Meet The Press' - No Archive SHOTLIST 30 April 2010 ++AIRED FOR THE FIRST TIME ON 2ND OF MAY++ 1. Wide of US Secretary of State, Hillary Clinton on "Meet the Press" 2. SOUNDBITE: (English) Hillary Clinton, US Secretary of State: (overlaid with wide cutaways) "I don't know what he's (referring to Iran's president, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad) showing up for because the purpose of the Non-proliferation Treaty Review Conference is to reiterate the commitment of the international community to the three goals: disarmament, non-proliferation, the peaceful uses of nuclear energy. So the vast majority of countries are coming to see what progress we can make." 3. Clinton on set of "Meet the Press" 4. SOUNDBITE: (English) Hillary Clinton, US Secretary of State: "If Iran is coming to say we're willing to abide by the Non-proliferation Treaty (NPT), that would be very welcome news. I have a feeling that's not what they're coming to do. I think they're coming to try to divert attention and confuse the issue. And there is no confusion. They have violated the terms of the NPT. They have been held under all kinds of restrictions and obligations that they have not complied with by the IAEA, the International Atomic Energy Agency, by the UN Security Council. So we're not going to permit Iran to try to change the story from their failure to comply and in any way upset the efforts we are in the midst of, which is to get the international community to adopt a strong Security Council resolution that further isolates them and imposes consequences for their behaviour." 5. Clinton on "Meet the Press" STORYLINE: US Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton said in an interview aired on Sunday that it is clear that Iran is in violation of a treaty designed to prevent the spread of nuclear weapons. The United Nations is holding a conference this coming week on the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty and Iran's president, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, is expected to address delegates ahead of Clinton on Monday. Clinton told NBC's "Meet the Press" that his trip was an effort to divert attention and confuse people about Iran's violation of the treaty. She says the UN conference was designed to make clear the global commitment to disarmament, peaceful nuclear energy and limiting the spread of nuclear weapons. "I don't know what he's showing up for because the purpose of the Non-proliferation Treaty Review Conference is to reiterate the commitment of the international community to the three goals: disarmament, non-proliferation, the peaceful uses of nuclear energy. So the vast majority of countries are coming to see what progress we can make," she said in an interview filmed on Friday but aired on Sunday. Clinton said it would be welcome news if Ahmadinejad was coming to say Tehran would abide by the Non-proliferation Treaty. But she said she had "a feeling that's not what they're coming to do." "We're not going to permit Iran to try to change the story from their failure to comply and in any way upset the efforts we are in the midst of." Delegates from 189 nations will convene on Monday for a twice-a-decade marathon of diplomacy and deal making over the 40-year-old treaty designed to check the spread of nuclear weapons worldwide. Ahmadinejad is expected to address the delegates ahead of Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton on Monday, the opening day of the conference at the United Nations. The presence of Ahmadinejad, the only head of state taking part, ensures sharp words will fly over Tehran's nuclear programme and Israel's reported secret bombs, as well as over treaty outsider North Korea and the huge US and Russian nuclear arsenals. Iran last year rejected a UN-backed plan that offered nuclear fuel rods in exchange for most of Iran's stock of lower-level enriched uranium. Beyond meeting Iran's needs, the US and its allies saw the proposal as delaying Iran's ability to make a nuclear weapon by stripping it of much of the enriched uranium it would need for such a project. Tehran denies seeking such arms, insisting it is enriching only for an envisaged network of power-generating nuclear reactors. The main stumbling block has been Tehran's refusal to ship the bulk of its low-enriched uranium abroad, a condition insisted upon by the West as key to slowing Iran's accumulation of enriched uranium and thereby any bomb-making capacities. 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APTN APEX 05-02-10 1505EDT ------------------- END -- OF -- ITEM ------------------- AP-APTN-1830: EU Greece 3 Sunday, 2 May 2010 STORY:EU Greece 3- REPLAY Eurozone ministers discuss Greece bailout; roundtable; Merkel LENGTH: 05:02 FIRST RUN: 1630 RESTRICTIONS: AP Clients Only TYPE: Various/Natsound SOURCE: AP TELEVISION/EBS STORY NUMBER: 644507 DATELINE: Various - 2 May 2010 LENGTH: 05:02 AP TELEVISION - AP CLIENTS ONLY EBS - AP CLIENTS ONLY SHOTLIST (FIRST RUN 1530 NEWS UPDATE - 02 MAY 2010) AP TELEVISION - AP CLIENTS ONLY Brussels, Belgium 1. Wide exterior of European Union (EU) Council headquarters, the Justus Lipsius building 2. Various of German Finance Minister Wolfgang Schaeuble arriving at Eurogroup meeting 3. Schauble being greeted by French Finance Minister Christine Lagarde 4. SOUNDBITE (French) Christine Lagarde, French Finance Minister: "European citizens from the Eurozone, including the citizens of France, will of course see their money back. Why is that? Because they are bilateral loans. So France is going to lend Greece at a well determined interest rate and this loan will be reimbursed, the capital and with interest. Is this the tutelage of the Greek economy? Yes and no. From one side there are very precise commitments made by the Greek government and on the other hand there are controls which can be exercised by the (European) Commission and the International Monetary Fund (IMF) to make sure that these commitments are respected." 5. EU monetary affairs commissioner, Olli Rehn arriving 6. Cutaway of cameras 7. SOUNDBITE (English) Luc Frieden, Luxembourg Finance Minister: "I think that what the Greek government decided this morning is very impressive. It'll be very tough for the Greek people and it is in our interest, the interest of the common Eurozone, that we now give the bilateral loans, otherwise the markets will doubt the seriousness of the European Union to act. I think the Eurozone is ready to act." 8. Greek finance minister George Papaconstantinou arriving 9. European Central Bank President Jean-Claude Trichet arriving (FIRST RUN 1530 NEWS UPDATE - 02 MAY 2010) EBS - AP CLIENTS ONLY Brussels, Belgium 10. SOUNDBITE (English) Jose Manuel Barroso, EU Commission President: "Greece has approved a very credible and solid package. I just now spoke on the phone with (Greek) Prime Minister Papandreou to pay tribute to its determination. We believe this is the only way for Greece to assure stability and prosperity of the Greek people. The European Commission considers that the conditions are now met for the activation of the European mechanism for financial assistance to Greece. We want also to make it clear that all needs of Greece will be met on time." 11. Frieden, Schaeuble talking with other officials 12. Lagarde shaking hands with officials 13. Lagarde speaking with Frieden and Schaeuble 14. Various of Portuguese Finance Minister Fernando Teixeira dos Santos 15. Trichet arriving for round table meetings with Italian Finance Minister Giulio Tremonti 16. Tremonti seated at table 17. Various of Papaconstantinou (FIRST RUN 1630 EUROPE PRIME NEWS - 02 MAY 2010) AP TELEVISION - AP CLIENTS ONLY Bonn, Germany 18. Angela Merkel, German Chancellor and Felipe Calderon, Mexico President arriving for news conference 19. SOUNDBITE (German) Angela Merkel, German Chancellor: "I welcome that the Greek government, the ECB (European Central Bank), the commission and the IMF managed to negotiate (agreed on) a programme and also to get the approval of the Greek cabinet. I had telephone conversation with the Greek Prime Minister and I think, and I made clear, that it is a very challenging programme." 20. Cutaway of photographer 21. SOUNDBITE (German) Angela Merkel, German Chancellor: "We will now certainly work, if the agreement of the Finance Ministers will be made in Brussels today, that the aid measures of the other European states can be pushed through accordingly. If the finance ministers find an agreement today, the German government will hold talks in the cabinet tomorrow and will then inform the heads of the parties and fractions in the German Bundesrat (Upper House of Parliament) and then we will start to hold talks, so that we might be able to find a national agreement by Friday if there are positive developments." 22. Merkel and Calderon shaking hands, leaving (FIRST RUN 1530 NEWS UPDATE - 02 MAY 2010) AP TELEVISION - AP CLIENTS ONLY Athens, Greece 23. Greek flag flying, seen through tree branch 24. Medium of people walking in Syntagma Square 25. SOUNDBITE (English) Platon Monokroussos, Greek economist: "The new austerity programme will be painful for the domestic economy as it will place a heavy burden on disposable incomes, especially for public sector employees. On the more positive side, and assuming rigorous implementation of the package, the measures will assist the government to tackle long-standing imbalances in the domestic economy and eventually bring the economy towards a more sustainable growth path." 26 . Street scene in Athens STORYLINE Greece outlined strict new austerity measures required by an international bailout and Germany said on Sunday there was a good chance it would approve its part of the euro-zone and International Monetary Fund (IMF) rescue before next weekend. The finance ministers of the 16 European Union (EU) nations that use the euro were holding an emergency meeting in Brussels to discuss the plan - the first-ever bailout of a euro-zone country - under which euro- zone countries and the IMF will extend loans to Greece over three years. The exact amount of the three-year package will be agreed on during the meeting, but is expected to be about 120 (b) billion euro (160 (b) billion US dollars). Germany, the euro zone's largest economy and Greece's toughest critic, will be the largest contributor of loans, but has been reluctant to release funds. Before entering the eurozone meeting, German Finance Minister, Wolfgang Schaeuble outlined the reasons why the Eurozone was offering financial assistance to Greece. Chancellor Angela Merkel had insisted Greece needed to implement more austerity measures - a move which the country made on Sunday. Berlin needs to pass the issue through parliament before it can approve activating its part in the rescue. Merkel will meet on Monday with her Cabinet and parliamentary party leaders to set the process in motion. Merkel's Christian Democrats and their coalition partners, the Free Democrats, hold a majority in parliament. Speaking in the German city of Bonn, while holding talks with Mexico President Felipe Calderon, Merkel said she was pleased that the Greek government, the ECB, EU commission and the IMF had managed to a agree on a "very challenging programme." Merkel and Calderon were meeting ahead of the official opening of the Petersberg Climate Dialogue summit. Christine Lagarde, the French Finance Minister, attempted to reassure European citizens on Sunday that this was simply a loan and they were guaranteed to get their money back. "They are bilateral loans. So France is going to lend Greece at a well determined interest rate and this loan will be reimbursed, the capital and with interest," she added. Luc Frieden, Luxembourg Finance Minister, said the Greek government should be commended for their efforts as they had done what was asking of them by the Eurozone. "It'll be very tough for the Greek people and it is in our interest, the interest of the common Eurozone that we now give the bilateral loans, otherwise the markets will doubt the seriousness of the European Union to act," he added. A senior International Monetary Fund official said the IMF's executive board was meeting in Washington to consider how much aid to grant Athens under a massive rescue loan package. The meeting coincides with the emergency talks in Brussels among eurozone finance ministers. The IMF's Poul Thomsen told reporters in Athens it would take at least a week for Greece to start receiving funds. He praised Greece's "draconian reforms." The lead European Union negotiator in Athens insisted the aid package would not serve as a "blueprint" for other eurozone countries with troubled finances. Earlier Sunday, Greece outlined strict measures, including cuts in civil servants' salaries and pensions, and tax increases, as part of an agreement reached late Saturday night with the IMF and EU. The measures aim to cut the deficit to below 3 percent of gross domestic product, within EU limits, by 2014. The deficit currently stands at 13.6 percent. EU Commission President Jose Manuel Barroso described the aid as "decisive" in getting Greece back on track and protect the financial stability of the 16 nations using the euro currency. "We believe this is the only way for Greece to assure stability and prosperity of the Greek people. The European Commission considers that the conditions are now met for the activation of the European mechanism for financial assistance to Greece. We want also to make it clear that all needs of Greece will be met on time," he added. The Greek announcements also won praise from the EU's monetary affairs commissioner, Olli Rehn. It remains unclear whether Sunday's meeting in Brussels will be enough to give final approval for Athens to start receiving the money or whether a summit of eurozone heads of government will be required. Greece has 8.5 (b) billion euro (11.3 (b) billion US dollars) worth of a 10-year bond maturing on May 19. Papaconstantinou said savings worth 30 (b) billion euro (39.9 (b) billion US dollars) through 2012 would be achieved through public service and pension pay cuts, higher taxes and a streamlined government. Annual holiday bonuses will be capped at one thousand euros (1,330 US dollars) per year for civil servants and scrapped for those with gross monthly salaries over three thousand euro (3,995 US dollars), he said. Pensioners' bonuses will also be capped at 800 euro (1062 US dollars) and cancelled for those paid more than 2,500 euro (3,330 US dollars). Salary cuts will not extend to the private sector, as had been widely feared. Greeks receive their annual pay in 14 salaries, receiving extra at Christmas, Easter and for their summer vacations. Taxes would also be increased, including further hikes on fuel, alcohol and tobacco. The top bracket of sales tax rises from 21 percent to 23 percent. Papaconstantinou said his country's debt would reach 140 percent of GDP (gross domestic product) in 2013 and start falling from 2014, while economic output is set to contract by 4 percent in 2010 and by 2.6 percent in 2011 before it starts recovering slowly beginning in 2012. The new austerity measures were seen as essential for the EU and IMF to unblock the rescue package, which Athens asked for last week and which will see other eurozone countries and the IMF extend loans to Greece. Papaconstantinou said the government hoped to be able to return to borrowing on the market soon, but that the plan would allow the government breathing space to implement its austerity program and put its finances in order. Earlier, Greek Prime Minister George Papandreou announced his government had reached an agreement in tough negotiations with the IMF and EU on the measures. Papandreou called on Greeks to make "great sacrifices" to avoid a catastrophe, and said the country's problematic civil service would bear the brunt. There will also be deep cuts in defence spending and hospital procurement, the prime minister said. In Athens, Platon Monokroussos, a Greek economist said the new austerity package would be painful but would eventually lead the country to a more sustainable growth path. Monokroussos said the package announced by the country's finance minister would place a burden on disposable incomes especially for public sector employees but would help the government overcome imbalances in the domestic economy and would eventually lead to growth. "On the more positive side, and assuming rigorous implementation of the package, the measures will assist the government to tackle long-standing imbalances in the domestic economy and eventually bring the economy towards a more sustainable growth path," he added. Some economists believe that Greece's adjustment will be painful, but no more so than when the country devalued its then currency, the drachma, twice in the 1980s and once in the 1990s. 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APTN APEX 05-02-10 1444EDT ------------------- END -- OF -- ITEM ------------------- AP-APTN-1830: Italy Pope 2 Sunday, 2 May 2010 STORY:Italy Pope 2- REPLAY Pope Benedict XVI visits Turin, views Shroud LENGTH: 02:29 FIRST RUN: 1630 RESTRICTIONS: AP Clients Only TYPE: Italian/Natsound SOURCE: Vatican TV STORY NUMBER: 644509 DATELINE: Turin, 2 May 2010 LENGTH: 02:29 VATICAN TV - AP CLIENTS ONLY SHOTLIST 1. Exterior of Turin's Cathedral 2. Pull out from dome to the wide of the Cathedral's exteriors 3. Various of Pope Benedict XVI entering the Cathedral 4. Wide of the altar and the Shroud 5. Close-up pan right of the Shroud 6. Pope praying 7. Zoom in of Pope meditating 8. Zoom out of nuns praying 9. Wide of Pope praying 10. Pope making sign of the cross and getting up 11. Wide of Pope speaking 12. SOUNDBITE (Italian) Pope Benedict XVI, leader of the Catholic church: "What does the Shroud tell us? The Shroud talks through blood, but blood is life. The Shroud is an icon written in blood; the blood of a man who was whipped, crowned with thorns, crucified and injured on his right side. The image of the Shroud is the image of a dead man, but the blood talks of life." 13. Wide of pope giving blessing 14. Mid of Shroud 15. Various of Pope leaving the church 16. Wide exterior of Turin's Cathedral STORYLINE Pope Benedict XVI took a break on Sunday from dealing with the clerical sex abuse scandal to pray before the Shroud of Turin, the linen with an image of a crucified man on it that some believe is Christ's burial cloth and others dismiss as a medieval fake. Benedict did not definitively declare the Shroud that of Jesus Christ, but said it was "an icon written in blood; the blood of a man who was whipped, crowned with thorns, crucified and injured on his right side." In a meditation delivered after praying for four minutes before the Shroud, the pope said the relic should be seen as a photographic document of the "darkest mystery of faith" - that of Christ's crucifixion and resurrection. The 14-foot-long, 3.5-foot-wide (4.3-metre-long, 1 metre-wide) cloth has gone on public display for the first time since the 2000 Millennium celebrations and a subsequent 2002 restoration. Kept in a bulletproof, climate-controlled case in Turin's cathedral, it has drawn nearly 2 million (m) reservations from pilgrims and tourists eager to spend three to five minutes viewing it. At the start of a Mass, Turin archbishop Cardinal Severino Poletto welcomed Benedict to join those who have silently prayed before the sepia-toned cloth. The Shroud bears the figure of a crucified man, complete with blood seeping from his hands and feet, and believers say Christ's image was recorded on the linen's fibres at the time of his resurrection. Benedict's visit to the holy relic is a bit of a respite from meetings with bishops to discuss resignations from inside their ranks over sex abuse by priests of children and the bishops' failure to report it to civil authorities. In the past week, Benedict met with German bishops to discuss one high-profile resignation and he has another such meeting planned Monday with Belgian bishops. In between, he met with five Vatican investigators who reported on an eight-month probe into the Legionaries of Christ; the Vatican announced Saturday that Benedict would appoint a personal delegate to lead the discredited order and reform it after revelations that its founder sexually abused seminarians and fathered at least one child. While the visit to Turin is a break of sorts, it's not without its own controversies: The Vatican has tiptoed around the issue of just what the Shroud of Turin is, calling it a powerful symbol of Christ's suffering while making no claim to its authenticity. A Vatican researcher said late last year that faint writing on the linen, which she studied through computer-enhanced images, proves the cloth was used to wrap Jesus' body after his crucifixion. But experts stand by carbon-dating of scraps of the cloth that determine the linen was made in the 13th or 14th century in a kind of medieval forgery. That testing didn't explain how the image on the Shroud - of a man with wounds similar to those suffered by Christ - was formed. However, some have suggested the dating results might have been skewed by contamination and called for a larger sample to be analysed. 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APTN APEX 05-02-10 1445EDT ------------------- END -- OF -- ITEM ------------------- AP-APTN-1830: Germany Video Sunday, 2 May 2010 STORY:Germany Video- REPLAY Police investigate after officer seen in AmVid kicking protester in the head LENGTH: 00:34 FIRST RUN: 1630 RESTRICTIONS: AP Clients Only TYPE: Natsound SOURCE: AMATEUR VIDEO STORY NUMBER: 644504 DATELINE: Berlin, 1 May 2010 LENGTH: 00:34 AMATEUR VIDEO - AP CLIENTS ONLY ++CLIENTS NOTE: AP CANNOT INDEPENDENTLY VERIFY THIS VIDEO++ SHOTLIST: 1. Wide of demonstration 2. Demonstrators running from police line 3. Close of police running after demonstrators, one officer stumbles over a fallen protester as the next officer is seen kicking him in the head as he runs past, the protester is then lifted to his feet by onlookers STORYLINE: Berlin police are investigating an officer who was caught on video kicking a black-clad protester in the head as police broke up a mass of demonstrators at Saturday's May Day protests. Berlin police superintendent Dieter Glietsch said on Sunday that footage of the helmeted officer kicking the protester - who had stumbled to the ground and caused another officer to lose his footing - was caught on internal video. But another amateur video, shot by someone in the crowd and posted on the internet site YouTube, also showed Saturday's incident. In the video, a young man stumbled to the pavement as police moved forward at a brisk pace. He was caught underfoot by one officer, who stumbled, while the next policeman can be seen lifting his right leg and striking the man's head with his boot. AP Television could not independently verify the contents of the video. Police have not yet identified the officer seen delivering the swift kick nor the person who was struck. The video showed the protestor lifted to his feet by others in the crowd, police have appealed for the victim and any witnesses to come forward. 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APTN APEX 05-02-10 1445EDT ------------------- END -- OF -- ITEM ------------------- AP-APTN-1830: ++EU Greece 4 Sunday, 2 May 2010 STORY:++EU Greece 4- NEW Juncker says aid plan for Greece will be euros 110 billion over 3 years LENGTH: 03:03 FIRST RUN: 1830 RESTRICTIONS: AP Clients Only TYPE: English/French/Natsound SOURCE: EBS STORY NUMBER: 644508 DATELINE: Brussels - 2 May 2010 LENGTH: 03:03 ++CLIENTS PLEASE NOTE STORYLINE UPDATED 2030 GMT++ EBS - AP CLIENTS ONLY SHOTLIST: 1. Wide of podium 2. Panel sitting down for news conference 3. SOUNDBITE: (English) Jean-Claude Juncker, Eurogroup President: "In the context of a three year joint programme with the IMF, the financial package made available: 110 (b) billion euros to help Greece meet its financial needs with euro area member states ready to contribute for their part 80 (b) billion euros of which up to 30 (b) billion euros in the first year." 4. Cutaway of reporter 5. SOUNDBITE: (English) Olli Rehn, EU Monetary Affairs Commissioner: "I am indeed grateful that the eurogroup has today decided to endorse this programme. The Commission strongly supports the economic programme of fiscal consolidation and structural reforms announced today by the government of Greece on the basis of our agreement last night. The steps being taken, while difficult, are necessary to restore confidence in the Greek economy." 6. Wide of podium 7. SOUNDBITE: (English) Olli Rehn, EU Monetary Affairs Commissioner: "If implemented effectively, and I am certain it will be, the programme will lead to a more dynamic economy that will deliver growth jobs and prosperity for Greece and the Greek people that they need in the future." 8. Cutaway of reporter 9. SOUNDBITE: (English) George Papaconstantinou, Greek finance minister: We are fully aware that this is a programme that is not going to be easy. It is not going to be easy on Greek citizens, despite the efforts that have been made and will continue to be made to protect the weakest in society. We are absolutely convinced that this is a necessary programme." 10. Wide of podium 11. SOUNDBITE: (French) George Papaconstantinou, Greek finance minister: "We have made an enormous effort not to touch on the lowest salaries in the public sector, nor the lowest pensions in the public and the private sectors." 12. Cutaway of reporter 13. SOUNDBITE: (French) Jean-Claude Juncker, Eurogroup President: "I almost lost my patience during this process but I realise our processes are complicated, that there are cultural differences in the euro area. Not everyone is the same, we have to respect parliamentary procedures, internal political discussions and the public has to have things explained to it. Different questions are put in different countries." 14. Wide of podium STORYLINE: Finance ministers from the 16 countries that use the euro agreed on Sunday to rescue Greece with 147 (b) billion dollars in loans over three years to keep it from defaulting on its debts. The loan package with the International Monetary Fund (IMF) is also aimed at keeping Greece's debt crisis from spreading to other financially weak countries such as Spain and Portugal - just as Europe is struggling out of a painful recession. In return, Greece had to agree to an austerity programme that will impose painful spending cuts and tax increases on its people for years to come. The plan will still need approval by some countries' parliaments. But the head of the eurogroup, Luxembourg's Jean-Claude Juncker, said Greece will get the first funds by May 19, when Athens has 8.5 (b) billion euros (11.3 (b) billion US dollars) worth of a 10-year bond maturing. Fears that the money might be held up by objections in powerful eurozone member Germany - where the Greek bailout is not popular - sent shudders through bond and stock markets last week. But European Union President Herman Van Rompuy called for a special summit of the euro countries on May 7 to "conclude the whole process" once national parliaments deal with the issue "in the next few days." Berlin needs parliament to approve its part in the rescue but Finance Minister Wolfgang Schaeuble and Chancellor Angela Merkel said that could be wrapped up by Friday. Juncker said the eurozone would contribute 107 (b) billion dollars to the package, with 40 (b) billion of that to be made available his year. The rest of the money would come from the Washington, DC-based IMF. EU Monetary Affairs Commissioner Ollie Rehn said the loans from other eurozone countries to Greece would carry an interest rate of around five percent. Because the interest rate is higher than the one those countries face themselves on the market, they could make money out of the rescue package. But the rate is significantly lower than Greece would face if it tried to borrow on the international market, where it has seen its borrowing costs spiral because of investor fears it would default. Athens has said the plan will allow it breathing space to implement harsh new austerity measures it announced earlier on Sunday to bring its economy into order. The new measures Greek Finance Minister George Papaconstantinou announced earlier in Athens include cuts in civil servants' salaries and pensions, and tax increases that aim to cut the deficit to below 3 percent of gross domestic product, within EU limits, by 2014. The deficit currently stands at 13.6 percent. He said savings worth 40 (b) billion dollars through 2012 would be achieved through public service and pension pay cuts, higher taxes and streamlining government. Annual holiday bonuses will be capped at 1,330 dollars per year for civil servants and scrapped for those with gross monthly salaries over 3,995 dollars, he said. Pensioners' bonuses will also be capped at 1,068 dollars and cancelled for those paid more than 3,330 dollars. Salary cuts will not extend to the private sector, as had been widely feared. Greeks receive their annual pay in 14 salaries, receiving extra at Christmas, Easter and for their summer vacations. The IMF and EU said the bailout and austerity programme were tough and would help Greece out of its troubles, but warned it would take years. "The steps being taken, while difficult, are necessary to restore confidence in the Greek economy and to secure a better future for the Greek people," said a joint statement by Rehn and IMF head Dominique Strauss-Kahn. "We are confident that Greece will rise to the challenge and succeed." Many economists say that while a bailout would keep Greece from defaulting in the next year or two, its meagre prospects for economic growth mean it will have difficulty paying off its debt pile over the long term. Clients are reminded: (i) to check the terms of their licence agreements for use of content outside news programming and that further advice and assistance can be obtained from the AP Archive on: Tel +44 (0) 20 7482 7482 Email: infoaparchive.com (ii) they should check with the applicable collecting society in their Territory regarding the clearance of any sound recording or performance included within the AP Television News service (iii) they have editorial responsibility for the use of all and any content included within the AP Television News service and for libel, privacy, compliance and third party rights applicable to their Territory. APTN APEX 05-02-10 1632EDT ------------------- END -- OF -- ITEM ------------------- AP-APTN-1830: Iraq Blasts 2 Sunday, 2 May 2010 STORY:Iraq Blasts 2- WRAP At least 1 dead, 100 injured in double bomb attack; scene of blasts LENGTH: 02:48 FIRST RUN: 1530 RESTRICTIONS: Part No Access Iraq TYPE: Mute/Commnentary/Natsound SOURCE: AP TELEVISION/Al Mosuliyah TV STORY NUMBER: 644502 DATELINE: Mosul/Irbil, 2 May 2010 LENGTH: 02:48 AP TELEVISION - AP CLIENTS ONLY MOSULIYAH TV - NO ACCESS IRAQ ++AUDIO AS INCOMING++ SHOTLIST: (FIRST RUN 1530 NEWS UPDATE - 02 MAY 2010) MOSULIYAH TV - NO ACCESS IRAQ Mosul ++MUTE++ 1. Wide of bus hit by blast 2. Close of blood stains and blast debris including woman's shoe, on floor of bus 3. Various of blood stained seats and blast debris inside bus 4. Pan of damage to second bus hit by blast 5. Various of blood stains and debris inside second bus 6. Zoom out from damaged bus to Iraqi solders standing near by 7. Officials at blast site 8. Tracking shot of buses, Iraqi soldier's gun in foreground ++COMMENTARY++ (FIRST RUN 1330 EUROPE PRIME NEWS - 02 MAY 2010) AP TELEVISION - AP CLIENTS ONLY Irbil 9. Wide of Irbil General Hospital 10. Cutaway of hospital door, sign reading (Arabic/ English) 'Emergency Management Centre' 11. Injured man on stretcher being brought into emergency room 12. Injured woman on stretcher 13. Injured man being helped into hospital 15. Wide of people inside hospital 16. Various of wounded victims lying in hospital beds 17. Injured man being tended to by nurse, Christian priest standing nearby 18. Close up of face of injured woman 19. Various of injured person on hospital bed 20. Iraqi officials visiting the injured 21. Medical and security staff inside hospital STORYLINE: Two bombs exploded minutes apart in the northern Iraq city of Mosul on Sunday, killing at least one bystander and injuring around 100 others, a security official said. The attack began with a roadside bomb that exploded around 7:30 am (4:30 am GMT) and appeared to target buses carrying Christian students to the Mosul University. Moments later, a car bomb exploded nearby. A shop owner in the area was killed in the attack, according to Abdul-Rahim al-Shammari, the head of the provincial council's security committee. The injured included students and other civilians, he said. Video from local broadcaster Mosuliyah TV, taken in the aftermath of the blasts, showed two severely damaged buses with blood stains and debris littering their interiors. At least 17 people with serious wounds were taken to a hospital in Irbil, in the Kurdish autonomous region, said a medical doctor who works at the hospital. Sunni Muslim insurgents have frequently targeted members of Iraq's Christian minority, especially in Mosul, which is home to a large Christian community. Some extremist Sunnis consider Christians to be non-believers and supporters of the Shiite-led government they oppose. The US-based National Council of Churches sent a letter last week to US Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton calling on her to urge Iraqi officials to do more to protect Iraq's Christian community. The organisation said they were particularly worried now as Iraq struggles to seat a government after the March 7 parliamentary elections. Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki's bloc narrowly lost to a coalition led by secular challenger Ayad Allawi, but the prime minister has challenged the results. The ensuing political vacuum has left many observers worried that violence will rise as political battles spill over into the streets. 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APTN APEX 05-02-10 1444EDT ------------------- END -- OF -- ITEM ------------------- AP-APTN-1830: MidEast Talks 2 Sunday, 2 May 2010 STORY:MidEast Talks 2- WRAP Israeli PM welcomes progress toward peace talks; Hamas reax LENGTH: 02:47 FIRST RUN: 1230 RESTRICTIONS: AP Clients Only TYPE: Various/Natsound SOURCE: AP TELEVISION STORY NUMBER: 644497 DATELINE: Jerusalem/Gaza - 2 May 2010 LENGTH: 02:47 AP TELEVISION - AP CLIENTS ONLY SHOTLIST: (FIRST RUN 0930 AMERICAS PRIME NEWS - 02 MAY 2010) Jerusalem 1. Wide of Israeli President Shimon Peres meeting with Danish Foreign Minister Lene Espersen 2. SOUNDBITE (English) Shimon Peres, Israel's President: ++AUDIO QUALITY AS INCOMING++ "We are very close to begin the proximity talks. It took a bit longer than we hoped for and the problems are not yet solved, but at least a way how to handle them is open." 3. Exterior of Israeli Prime Minister's office 4. Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu arriving at cabinet meeting 5. SOUNDBITE (English) Uzi Landau, Israeli Minister of Energy and Infrastructure: "We wish to see people who are prepared to talk, not those who are setting each time new conditions. One should be very concerned to listen to the Palestinian Authority." 6. Israeli Cabinet Minister Avishai Braverman talking to media 7. SOUNDBITE (English) Avishai Braverman, Minister of Minorities: "The most important issue for Israel is to move as soon as possible, not only to proximity talks, to direct talks with the support of the United States, Europe, the moderate Arab countries, Mubarak (referring to Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak), Egypt, in order to have two states. Essentially most of the West Bank will go to Palestine, certain small areas - with most of the settlers - will stay in Israel, and we will work on all the other issues." 8. Wide of Israeli Cabinet meeting 9. Pan of meeting (FIRST RUN 1230 NEWS UPDATE - 02 MAY 2010) Gaza City, Gaza Strip 10. Various of Hamas leader in Gaza, Ismail Haniyeh, arriving and taking his seat at news conference 11. SOUNDBITE (Arabic) Ismail Haniyeh, Hamas leader in Gaza: "We regret the Arab Committee decision of giving Arab backing to resuming the negotiations which are called indirect negotiations. I can't explain the difference between direct or indirect negotiations. All this aims to do is to trick the Palestinians into returning to the negotiation table. Regretfully, this comes during a dangerous Israeli decision which is continuation of judaising Jerusalem, continuation of building settlements and lately the decision of deporting Palestinians from their land." 12. Cutaway of media 13. Haniyeh leaving news conference STORYLINE Israel's prime minister on Sunday welcomed Arab nations' endorsement of indirect, US-brokered peace talks with the Palestinians. Benjamin Netanyahu's office said the prime minister still awaited a formal Palestinian statement on the resumption of peace talks, but renewed his willingness to restart them "at any time and at any place" while insisting they begin "without preconditions." Israeli President Shimon Peres, meanwhile, expressed optimism about the developments whilst meeting visiting Danish Foreign Minister Lene Espersen. "It looks like we are very close to begin the proximity talks," he said in Jerusalem. "It took a little longer than we hoped for and problems are not yet solved but at least the way to handle them is open." Israeli and Palestinian officials said they expect the talks to begin by early next week, and one Israeli official said the dialogue would go beyond formalities and include preliminary discussions on "core issues" in the decades-long conflict. Details on the exact timing and scope of the talks were still being finalised on Sunday, a day after the 22-member Arab League gave the Palestinians the green light for negotiations. At the weekly Cabinet meeting in Jersualem, one Israeli cabinet minister outlined what he expected would be the result of the talks. "Essentially most of the West Bank will go to Palestine, certain small areas - with most with most of the settlers - will stay in Israel, and we will work on all the other issues," Avishai Braverman, the Minister of Minorities said. US Mideast envoy George Mitchell is scheduled to return to the region at the end of the week, and the executive committee of the Palestine Liberation Organisation (PLO) plans to announce the formal resumption of talks on Saturday. The last round of peace talks broke down in late 2008, reportedly when the sides were close to an agreement. Netanyahu's predecessor, Ehud Olmert, was in office at the time. The Palestinians have refused to sit down with Netanyahu until he agrees to freeze all Jewish housing construction in the West Bank and east Jerusalem - areas they want for an independent state along with the Gaza Strip. Netanyahu has imposed a 10-month slowdown in the West Bank but has refused to include east Jerusalem in the order. The indirect talks, with Mitchell shuttling between the two sides, are seen as a compromise. Indirect talks were set to begin in March when - during a visit by Vice President Joe Biden - Israel announced plans for building new Jewish housing units in an east Jerusalem neighbourhood. The decision drew fierce criticism from the United States and led to the worst rift between the two allies in decades. The Arab League's endorsement gives Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas critical backing to sell the indirect talks to a sceptical Palestinian public. An Israeli government official said he hoped the talks would lead to direct peace negotiations that ultimately touch on all the contested issues between the parties - such as final borders, refugees and the status of Jerusalem. However Abbas' rivals in the militant Islamic Hamas movement, which seized control of Gaza from Abbas' forces nearly three years ago, rejected the Arab League endorsement. Ismail Haniyeh, Hamas leader in Gaza, told a group of workers he met at the Hamas labour ministry on Sunday that the decision by the Arab League was aimed at tricking the Palestinians to return to the negotiation table. "Regretfully, this comes during a dangerous Israeli decision which is continuation of judaising Jerusalem, continuation of building settlements and lately the decision of deporting Palestinians from their land," he said in Gaza City. In an interview with the Palestinian daily Al-Ayam, Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas said President Barack Obama assured him that the Americans were "committed not to allow any provocative measures from any party" - an apparent reference to Israeli building in east Jerusalem. Municipal officials in the city claim Netanyahu has already unofficially frozen Jewish housing construction in east Jerusalem, despite his public claims to the contrary. Abbas said that despite the obstacles ahead he remained hopeful. 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FTG FOR COVERAGE OF THE CASEY ANTHONY MURDER TRIAL / DAY 2 OF TRIAL / SWITCHED POOL Early Morning Session 9:01:03 - I'm not going to have a jury waiting around as you search for files. How much time do need to search for a file? if you continue this you'll be working Sundays to. You need to put your heads together. there's be a 10 minute recess. SESSION RESUMES AT 9:14:50 - Cameron Campana called to stand - lond dark hair, wearing dark colored shirt. 9:16:11 - 2007 to 2009, almost three years. did you graduate from full sail? yes, 9:16:30 - what do you currently do? I'm a club promoter in cleveland 9;16:45- sutton place apartments, I forget which apartment number. I lived with Anthony Lazarro. It was a two bedroom, two bathroom apartment, maybe one thousand square feet. 9:18:26 - at one point you had four men living in this apartment? yes. 9:18:55 - directing your attention to May, June, 2008. can you tell me your school schedule? 9:19:54 - SIDEBAR 9:21:50- did your classes also entail working? no. after you went to classes from 1-9, you were done? yes. 9:22:34 - we started at the same time, we were on different schedules. did you have the occassion to meet casey. 9:23:04- I met her through anthony lazarro after a birthday party, May 24th or around that date. 9:23:32- she was just a regular 22 year old girl, happy, just seemed normal. just your average 22 year old. 9:24:12- the middle of June, 2008 (casey started staying with them) 9:24:30- I would see har daily once she would start staying with us. outside the apartent, 2 or 3 times. 9:24:55 - about four times maybe three (met caylee). either in lazarro's room or in lving room watching tv 9:25:33- Caylee never spent the night at the apartment. 9:25:58 - she had mentioned to us she worked for universal as an event coordinator. she would talk about her job every now and them. she had mentioned picking up tickets for a batman premeiere. she'd say work was stressing her out. she told anthony she was going to get red carpet tickets for the premeier but it never happened. 9:28:20 - she told us she was looking for an apartment with amy. had you met her? i believe once. 9:29:05 - did you ever see defendant getting ready to go to work? no. 9:29:20 - when she started living with you did you ever see caylee again? I believe once. we had asked and one time she said she was going to universal with the nanny. the other time she was going to cocoa beach for a birthday party. 9:30:03 - she said she'd talk to caylee on the phone. 9:30:21- did you ever hear her on the phone talking to her daughter? no. did you hear her talking to the nanny? no. did you ever hear her on the phone? she'd step outside and talk. she'd go out by the pond out back. when she came back to the apartment did she tell you who she was talking to? I asked her why she always went out side and she said it was her time to vent. 9:31:50- who was doing the cooking? everyone would do their part. she'd started cooking and buying groceries. 9:32:28 - it was mostly her laundry, sometimes anthony's and I think one time she did mine. she helped clean, we all helped keep it. 9:33:15- did you have a computer? yes, macbook pro. did your roomates have computer? yes. did you see the defendant with a compyuter? yes. did you see her using it? yes. Did you ever use it? no. did she ever ask to borrow your computer? no. anyone else? no. 9:34:11 - she seemed just the same, nothing had changed. she was happy. seemed excited about life. did you ever socailize outsid the apartment? one or two times. 9:34:51- have you ever heard of fusion. 9:35:55- have you ever met george or cindy anthony? no 9:36:11 - did you see any clothing that belonged to caylee? only when she brought her over. did you see it after she started living with you? not that I saw. any stuffed animals? no. 9:37:00- did she ever tell you her daughter was missing? no. that she'd been kidnapped? no. did she ever ask you for help in finding caylee? no. are you aware of an incident July 15 when the defendants mother came to your apartment? I had class and anthony told me what happened. 9:38:10 - had you ever met lee anthony before? no. what did you tell him? I was sorry about what had happened. how did he seem? he seemed calm but at the same time he was worried. he came and picked up a bag of clothes casey had in anthony's room. did you have any contact with defendant after that night? no. lee anthony? no. 9:39;15 - NO FURTHER QUESTIONS, CROSS EXAMINATION BEGINS 9:39:36- were you in casey's home, June, 2008, when caylee drowned? no. end of questions. NEXT WITNESS - NATHAN LEZNIEWICZ - buzz cut, tan shirt 9:41:28 - Nathan Lezniewicz called to stand 94:2:33 - lived in Orlando, going to full sail university for audio engineering. attended for a year and half. attained no degree. currently in band in Vero Beach, also played in bands while attending full sail. 9:43:40 - first started living with Tony Lazarro at end of May 2008. slept on couch, planned on staying for about a month once lease ended 9:44:30 - school schedule for month of June was 9-5. no work outside of school at time. left town a lot. 9:45:08 - how did you first meet Casey Anthony? the drummer of my band, Daniel Howard, had a birthday party which is where Tony and Casey first met. She seemed like a normal 22 year old girl. She was outgoing. 9:46:04 - where did you first meet Caylee? at my apartment 9:46:39 - did she ever spend the night? did casey or caylee ever spend the night? no sir. did there ever come a time she stayed every day? when? third and fourth week of june her staying over picked up quite a bit. 9:47:25 - did she every tell you about her employment? she said she was employed at universal. did you ever see ID badge? no sir. did she ever talk about her work? once in a while. The only thing she talkd about a batman premiere. 9:48:30 - did she ever complain about her work? no sir 9:48:45 - while you were getting ready for school, was she getting ready for work? she was getting ready also and I assumed that's where she was going. 9:49:22- did you spend time alone with her? yes sir. what did you do? hang out, watch tv. was Tony's other roommate, from Ft. Pierce, was in a band, travelled a 9:45:18 - first met casey when drummer in his band had a bday party. Casey was there. That's where tony met her. 9:45:44 - she seemed like a normal girl 9:51:10 - typically she was with the nanny, out doing things. was there anything about casey's demeanor that made you qeustion what she was telling you? no sir. 9:51:50- did she tell you about her parents? not much. when she had a conversation with her parents, she'd leave the apartment because she didn't want us to hear them. did you ever hear here speaking to her daughter? no sir. the nanny? no sir. 9:52:53- did you ever get near car? no sir. did she tell you she was having car trouble? just one morning when she broke down near the amscot. 9:53:40 - what did she do while in the apartment? did she cook? yes. did she clean? yes. did she do the laundry? no, not mine. where did you socialize? fusion nightclub, mostly friday evenings. were there any things going on friday nights? 9:54:44 - how many times were you at fusion with casey? two or three times maybe. 9:56:20 - pic of casey with NATHAN 9:56:40- when you were at fusion did she participate in a contest? yes. what was that contest? a hot body contest. 9:57:30- where was that photo taken? at fusion. was this during June, 2008? yes sir. BAEZ ASKS FOR SIDEBAR, JUDGE SAYS Not at this point. 9:58:16 - photo admitted into evidence. 9:58:34 - SIDEBAR AGAIN. 10:02:58 - JUDGE ALLOWS PHOTO TO BE PUBLISHED TO JURY 10:03:20 - she always seemed like she was having a good time. she's an outgoing personality. at any time she was living with you, did you ever see her distraught? no sir. depressed? no sir. scared? no sir. angry? no sir. did she ever tell you her daughter was missing? no sir. her daughter was kidnapped? no sir. did she ever ask for help in trying to find her? no sir. 10:05:03 - during this time period, was there anything about her demeanor that gave you concern? no sir. when there was a knock on the door, there was a blond girl there I didn't recognize. casey stepped outside and closed the door. she came back inside with her mother and amy huizinga. did you see casey come back after she left with the blond gir? yes. what happened? she was in an argument with cindy and cindy told her to get her stuff and go. did she go outside? yes sir. did she come back? no. did you ever see her again? no. did you speak with her on the phone. no sir. 10:06:51 - we were confused. we didn't know what was going on. we thought it was just something between her, her mother and roommmate. 10:07:30 - lee felt bad for us and said his sister was known to get into trouble ...objection, sustained. 10:08:12- were you visited by law enforcement? yes. how many times? twice. 100900 - did law enforcement question you about amy? no. how long were they there? about five minutes, just enough to collect cell phone. 10:09:46 - what did police do the second time? they searched the apartment. how long where they there? maybe 20-25 minutes. did they take items with them? I do not recall. 10:10:15 =- did you see any clothing belonging to caylee? no sir. any stuffed animals? no sir. NO FURTHER QUESTIONS CROSS EXAMINATION 10:11:12 - you saw caylee how many times? two to three. did she look hungry? no. well fed? yes. did casey seem attentive? yes. 10:12:10 - looking back at casey's behavior, there was no indication that caylee was dead? no sir. there was no signs in any way shape or form? no sir. 10:13:07 - she didn't park 50 yards away where no other cars were parked? no sir. I have no further questions. 10:13:30 - were you present on june 2008 when caylee drowned in the pool? no sir. SIR YOU MAY STAND DOWN. BREAK Late Morning Session TESTIMONY RESUMES AT 10:36:09 STATE CALLS ROY HAUSE GOES BY CLINT - short dark hair, blue button down. 10:39:04 - where do you live? jacksonville, sir. was there a time you lived in orlando? yes sir. when? 2007-2009. what were you studying there? recording arts to engineer and produce music. how long were you there? 10 months. did you get a degree? no. 10:39:56 - where did you live? with tony and cam. what time period in 2008? I was only there a few months. I moved in the end of April and moved out June, 2008. 10:40:43- do you recall during that time period you were at school? I'd be there from 1am to 5am, sometimes 1pm to 5pm. 10:41:20 - did you meet casey? yes I did. do you recall where? tony and I met her at a party. 10:41:56 - she seemed like a fun party girl who'd get along with our group of friends. 10:42:30 - did you ever meet caylee? yes. where? at the sutton place apartments. how many times? four or five times. did caylee ever stayed over? no she never stayed over? did there come a times casey started staying full time? yes. when? middle of June she started spending most of the nights there. did you mind? no, not at all? was this a big apartment? no, we were all kind of crammed in there. 10:43:55 - did casey ever tell you about her employment? she said she worked at universal. did you ever see credentials? no. did she complain about it? no. 10:44:41 - she didn't talk about her work all that much. 10:44:55- when she started staying full time, did you ever see caylee? when she started aying on regular basis we stopped seeing caylee. did you ask her about caylee? yes. she said she was with the nanny. did she indicate nanny was local? yes. did she indicate caylee was anywhere but orlando? no. did it seem odd child was always with nanny. objection. did you question her about where caylee was? i asked her where caylee was and she said she was with the nanny. was there any concern in her voice? no. did she appear worried about where caylee was? no. did she seem sad about not seeing her? her demeanor never changed. 10:47:10 - did you also had a laptop? yes. did casey have a laptop? yes. what kind? hp. did you ever use her computer? no. did she ever use yours? no. did she ever use anyone's but her own? no. while she was staying with you, were you ever present when she spoke on the phone? yes. to whom was she speaking? she'd always walk outside and was either on phone with nanny or her mother. was there any change in her demeanor? no. did she appear nervous? no sir. scared? no sir. 10:48:52- did you see her on daily basis at this time? yes. where did you recall going with her? every friday night we had our own promotional night at fusion and she'd come every friday. she'd try to help us bring people out. when you say she helped bring people out, what do you mean? because she was tony's girlfriend, she'd tell her friends to come out using facebook, myspace, texts. 10:50:29 - none of her friends ever came. 10:50:40 - did casey participate in those events? yes. what role did she play? she was in a couple contests I hosted. she was in a hot body contest, she would mingle with the crowd. 10:51:40 - did casey have anything to do with selecting shot girls? no. did she have anything to do with how they dressed? she'd give them some tidbits but I was telling the girls what they needed to wear. she would say maybe they should wear these shorts with this shot. 10:52:55- do you know a woman by the name of marie kish? yes. did she attend any of the nights at fusion? yes she did. DEFENSE CONFERS, NOW A SIDEBAR. 10:59:50 - SHOT OF GEORGE AND CINDY IN COURTROOM. 11:04:00 - testimony resumes 11:04:11 - what was her demeanor at fusion? she was partying and having a good time. did she seem upset about anything? no. did she seem happy? yes. 11:04:58 - they both seemed happy with each other. she'd come over and cook dinner for everybody. tony seemed happy and so did she. did you see casey and tony fight? no. did you ever notice casey sad? no. angry? no. depressed? no. withdrawn? no. she was still same. 11:06:08 - were you home July 15? no, I moved out. moved out two weeks before that. 11:07:20 - did you have any further contact with casey? no. did she ever tell you her daughter was kidnapped? no. was she worried about her? no. she needed help? no. NO FURTHER QUESTIONS 11:08:36 - the extent you know casey is a month and a half? yes. and you saw caylee how many times? four or five times. did she have backpack? yes. she would have toys, flashcards with shaped and colors. what other learning tools did you see casey teach caylee. never saw any other learning tools. she did have some dvds she brought over. in this bag you'd see diapers, other snacks? yes sir. did you see caylee malnourished? no sir. neglected? no sir. see casey strike caylee? no sir. treat caylee as a burden? no. would you say she was a good mother? yes I would. 11:10:55 - did you ever seen them go out to the pool? no. were you aware that tony lazarro casey and caylee went to pool on june 2nd? yes. who else was there? no one but them. 11:1:44- you weren't keeping a close eye on casey's computer at any time? no sir. 11:13:30- discussion about fusion, what it is, sushi bar, etc. 11:14:17 - this business with shot girls, that's part of your ambiance? yes. casey wasn't a shot girl, was she? no sir. she volunteered to manage these girls? she wasn't managing anybody. that was me and tony. this was while she was staying with you, rent free? yes. part of pulling her weight helping you financially? yes. cooking? yes. cleaning? yes. trash? no, that was us guys. 11:16:00- casey was a friendly girl? yes. she cared about people? yes. she cared about you? yes. you saw her caring for her child? yes. you found out caylee was dead during that time period? yes, i have. you noticed no change in her behavior from the time period she was a loving and caring mother up until the time caylee was deceased? never saw one change in her. 11:17:00 WITNESS EXCUSED 11:18:30 - MARIA KISSH - LONG DARK HAIR, GRAY BLAZER, BLUE BLOUSE. 11:19:20 - she describes who she is, her job in retail sales, educational background at UF, majored in political science, 2007. employed in 2008. working for man running for county office. paying job. had position in may, june 2008. 11:22:00 - I was introduced through clint. had you already known tony? yes. had you known nathan? yes. you knew all these people but casey was a new person you met? yes. did you meet her daughter? no. at some point did you meet caylee? yes. where? at tony's apartment. what do you recall about meeting her? caylee answered the door by herself. had you seen her before? no sir. did you ask her who she was? I knew who she was and said hi, how are you. when you walking in did you see casey? no. at some point did you see her? I did. where from? tony's room. how much time did you spend with caylee? not long, a half hour. 11:24:20 - was casey anywhere around? I saw her come out of the room for a minute and then she went back into tony's room. 11:24:55 - I ended up sitting on balcony and caylee was out there as well. clint got me and said he was ready to go. I felt uncomfortable. why? I didn't want to leave caylee alone. was it (balcony) screened? yes, it was. OBJECTION. APPROACH. 11:26:27 - SHOT OF GEORGE ANTHONY 11:28:30 - SHOT OF CASEY TALKING WITH FEMALE ATTORNEY 11:30:14 - SHOT OF EVIDENCE, FILES, FILE BOXES 11:33:10 - testimony continues 11:33:23 - right around that time, tony caylee and casey were going to leave as well. so casey and tony came out and casey told caylee to get her shoes on because it was time to leave. that was about it. I saw caylee struggling to put on her shoes and socks so i helped her put on her shoes. was caylee verbal with you? yes. she was. was the plan for all of you to go out together? no. 11:35:10 - after that visit, did you see caylee again? yes sir. how often were you at your boyfriend's? 2 to 3 times a week. did you stay the night? a couple times. when you were there, did you recall a time casey was there? I do. all the time? yes. how did you become aware of that. I talked to clint and he would tell me casey's been there all day. OBJECTION. sustained. 11:36:22- was the defendant there? yes. when you stayed for dinner was she there? yes. how would you describe relationship with casey? we saw each other several times because tony and clint would be together. we didn't have a friendship but it was an acquaintance. 11:37:18 - she said she worked for univeral as an event planner. any other details? no sir. ever tell you her hours? not that i can remember. ever see any ID from universal? no sir. did you question if she workd at universal? no sir. 11:38:10 - spend time with casey outside apartment? yes. what kinds of things? going out at night to bar or club and grabbing a bite to eat. did you see casey and tony together? yes. what were your observations on them as couple? OBJECTION, opinion, overruled. 11:39:08 - They got along well, it seemd to be beneficial for tony. did they appear to like each other? I believe so. 11:39:40 - did you ever see them argue? no. do you know what fusion is? yes. what is it? restaurant slash night club. were you at fusion with boyfriend and casey? yes sir. how many times? one time. 11:40:30 - I went to fusion with casey on June 20th. how do you remember? it was a friday and there was a hot body contest that night. 11:41:10 - what do you recall about hot body contest. objection. sustained. did you witness it? yes sir. did defendant participate? yes sir. what was defendant wearing during contest? she was wearing thin knit dress, blueish color. 11:42:34 - pic of casey and nathan 11:43:00 - based on outfit she appears to be wearing, is this an accurate representation of what she was wearing on june 20, 2008. yes. did you participate? no sir. PIC REPUBLISHED TO JURY 11:44:00 - do you recall any role other than being in hot body contest? yes. what was her role? she was in charge of the shot girls. did you see her interacting with them? i did. did you hear her telling them what they were supposed to do? i did. did you hear her discussing their attire? i can't remember. was there anyting about casey's demeanor that alarmed you? no. did she appear angry or upset? no sir. 11:45:20 - where did you stay that night? at the apartment. did you see casey next morning? yes, in kitchen in the morning. did you have a discussion? yes. I asked her where caylee was. she said she was spending weekend at the beach with the nanny. did she give you nanny's name? no. she told me she paid the nanny 400 dollars a week. 11:46:40 - did you ask casey about caylee's dad? APPROACH OBJECTION OVERRULED 11:48:40- what did casey tell you about caylee's dad? she told me he was deceased. 11:49:20 - what did she tell you her living situation was? that she was going to move into her parent's house and they were giving the house to her and caylee. when? didn't give an exact time, within the next couple of months. did casey ever tell you her daughter was missing? no. kidnapped? no. out looking for her? no. asked for help? no. 11:50:15 - did you ride in her car? yes. when? can't remember exact date. it was while she was staying with them, cling and tony. when you were in the car, who were you with? I was with casey, tony and clint. THANK YOU. CROSS EXAMINATION. 11:51;10 - where did you go in the car? to get something to eat. when you sat in back seat did you smell odor? no sir. clint was in backseat? yes. did he say anything? no sir. did tony say anything? no sir. 11:52:30 - you didn't like her being at house? it didn't bother me. your boyfriend lived at house? correct. and casey was at the same house? correct. it struck you odd she was there all the time? yes sir. you would call your boyfriend when she was there? yes. that didn't bother you? no, it never bothered me at all. END OF QUESTIONING around 11:50am Early Afternoon Session 13:14:12 - defense claims the testimony to the shovel is not relevant. says the shovel is misleading, not related nor tied to the offense. we present motion to exclude mention of shovel 13:16:36 - DENIED - just because you're not contesting does not alleviate state's obligation to prove something. anything else before we bring jury back in. BAEZ - objects again. 13:17:34 - discussion of audio problems. 13:20:11 - JURY RETURNS 13:21:15 STATE CALLS BRIAN BURNER - neighbor with shovel. heavy-set man with blue button down shirt, dark hair. 13:22:08 - do you know george and cindy? I do. how do you know them? neighbors. They are your next door neighbors? correct. when did you move into your home? 2005. when you moved in where the anthonys already living there? yes. was casey living there? yes. Lee? I don't recall. how would you describe your relationship with the anthonys? cordial neighbors. did they go to your house for dinner? no. you to theirs? no. 13:24:04 - are any of your children friends with casey or lee? no. 13:24:20 - week of june 16, 2008. were you in your home at that time? yes. did you take a vacation? I did. June 2008? yes. when did you return home? evening of the 16th. you were home on June 17th? yes. did you see casey? I saw casey's vehicle. it was backing into the garage. had you seen casey drive that car before? yes. did anyone else drive it during this time period? no. 12:26:00 - was car into garage or driveway? into the garage. I could see the front end of garage from our window. Did that seem strange? no. have you seen the car backed into the driveway before? not until that day. do you know how long car was there? no. were you home on the 18th? i was doing yardwork outside. was anyone else outside? no. 13:27:15 - did you see casey? she approached me later in the afternoon? when? around 1:30. why did she approach you? she said she wanted to borrow a shovel to dig up a bamboo root. 13:28:20 - pic of shovel 13:28:30 - is that the shovel you lent to casey? yes. OBJECTION OVERRULED AND IT WILL BE RECEIVED INTO EVIDENCE. 13:29:38 - did you see where she came from? no. had she ever asked to borrow anything before? no. did you have a problem with it? no. I walked around to the shed and gave her the shovel. 13:30:29 - did you see her walking into her home? only into the garage. 13:31:00 - while you were cleaning up did you see casey? no. I put equipment in shed then to see if casey was finished. I then went back into the house. I told my son casey borrowed the shovel and if she knocked on the door to take the shovel from her. 13:31:48 - did you get your shovel back? I did. she knocked on the door an hour after I gave her the shovel. did you notice anything different? no. what did you do? I opened garage door and set it in the garage. did you see defendant leave? no. did you see her white car? where? it was back into the garage. 13:32:50 - did you see casey car again that week? one other time. When? either 19 or 20th. 13:33:45 - did you see car pull into the driveway? the car backed in. did you see anything else? no. do you know how long car stayed there? no. 13:34:25 - other than those three instances in June 2008, did you have contact with casey? no. did you have contact with george? one time ...in July. 13:34:55 - when police arrived, did you go outside? no. did you talk to george? no. Cindy? no. when you saw casey on June 18, 2008, did she tell you her daughter was missing? no. kidnapped? no. that she was looking for her? no. did she tell you anything was wrong with her daughter? no. was she upset? no. sad? no. angry? no. just normal. 13:36:40 - THANK YOU SIR. CROSS EXAMINATION 13:37:03 - you fist gave a statement to law enforce. on July 17, 2008, right when media attention began? yes. you saw police cars next door on the 16th? I believe so. do you recall you gave a statement July 17? it was a Thursday. 13:38:10 - when you spoke with them, you told them you didn't know the date casey had borrowed the shovel but knew it was the week of the 16th? correct. you were called into sheriff's on June 30th? yes. you met with corporal edwards? yes. you then spoke with him a while? correct. that's when you started giving them dates? yes. do you recall if edwards asked you to close your eyes to remember because this was important? yes. did edwards tell you that as time passes you start to remember things. would you agree? to some extent. after you closed your eyes, that's when the dates became clear? no. that's when you told him the dates? no. you're saying as time passed you could recall the dates? correct. 12:41:00 - you wouldn't make it a habit to see how she parked her car? no. you're just the average neighbor? yes. you wouldn't consider yourself a nosy neighbor? no. you wouldn't notice how she parks her car every day? correct. 13:41:50 - when she gave you shovel back it wasn't muddy? no. she didn't look sweaty or digging a ditch? not that I recall. 13:42:30 - you can't offer us anything more than speculation about what she did with shovel? yes. NO FURTHER QUESTIONS REDIRECT 13:43:20 - do you recall telling him you saw a pickup? yes, wasn't sure of the vehicle. what do you recall about the incident? that was the monday the gas cans were taken. I looked out window and saw casey and thought nothing of it. 13:44:00 - where did you see casey? in the driveway. could you hear them speaking? no. there was casey and a man? correct. 13:44:33 - do you recall any other car in driveway? no. in garage? no. 13:45:27 - did you see casey drive away? no. did you hear any noises? no. 13:46:00 - was the white car there? no. RECROSS EXAMINATION 13:46:35 - when you started talking about them it was a month later after they occurred? correct. it's tough to recall everything a month prior? correct. no one told you on that day you should be looking for a certain car? correct. 13:48:35 - the anthony family home would be towards the right? correct. 13:49:03 - the date ...CAN I HAVE JUST A MOMENT? 13:49:35 - you didn't see the male? I saw casey and I saw the male first. any time you saw cars, you never saw anyone driving them? no. any time you saw casey's car you didn't see who was driving? correct. this shovel was then turned into fbi? I believe so. after you made that statement, there were media trucks outside your home? yes. for how long? months. STATE OBJECTS TO RELEVANCE. sustained 13:51:15 - you told mr george casey seemed normal? correct. WITHDRAWN WITNESS EXCUSED. RECESS ? 13:55:55 - shots of EVIDENCE BAGS 13:57:05 - MORE SHOTS OF EVIDENCE BAGS Late Afternoon Session 14:06:58 - testimony resumes JAMIE REALANDER - DARK, RED HAIR, BEIGE SWEATER, RED/ORANGE TOP 14:09:10 - detailing where she went to school and where she was working, rosen hotels, working with golf club at shingle creek. 14:10:11 - how did you first meet casey? I met her through a friend at fusion night club. 14:10:40 - who introduced you to casey? I believe it was my friend jenna prentice. who is she? just a friend at the time. was she an employee at fusion? not at that time? how was casey's demeanor? she was happy, seemd like a nice person to be friends with. was this may 2008? yes. was anything odd or out of place? no. 14:11:53- were you employed at some point at fusion? yes. as what? a shot girl. 14;13:10- directing your attention to june 20, 2008, were you a shot girl? no. june 13th? no. june 27th? yes. did you see casey? yes. what was your understanding of her role? she was the one we'd go to with questions. questions such as? where to be stationed, where to go for information. 14:14:15 - did you attend fusion on June 20, not as a shot girl? yes. do you recall a hot body contest? yes. 14:53:52 - do you see photo on monitor? yes. do you recognize yourself? yes. circle where you are. 14:15:19 - pic at FUSION. do you recognize casey? yes. what is she wearing? a blue dress. 14:15:45 - he circles her dress/pic 14:16:00 - anything out of the ordinary you recall from conversations with casey? no. 14:16:25 - is this pic a fair representation of what you and casey looked like on june 20, 2008? yes. You recognize this to be fusion night club? yes. PIC ADMITTED INTO EVIDECE. BAEZ OBJECTS. OBJECTION OVERRULED. PIC MAY BE PUBLISHED 14:17:30 - was she (casey) upset? no. crying? no. objection, overruled. 14:18:30 - were you talked to about what to wear? I don't know if it was by casey. and when you came to work as a shot girl on the 27th of June, casey more or less passed on what you were wearing? yes. did she give you any tips on what to wear? not directly to me. 14:19:40 -was there ever a problem that occurred? yes. tell us. there was large group of people and someone tried to grab one of the shot girls, scratching her. what did casey do? for our safety, she had us leave for the night. we spoke to her on July 15th. was this conversation in person? over the phone. prior to this conversation, were you aware she jad a daughter? no. did you know if she was in a relationship? yes. with who? anthony lazarro. 14:21:00 - we had a conversation about what she'd be diong that day. she went to her job at universal then pick up her daughter casey (on july 15th). 14:21:45 - did she call her daughter by name? no. did she tell you antying about her daughter? that her birthday was the next month and that I was invited to her birthday party? that you were invited? yes. did you see casey outside fusion? no. any subsequent phone calls? not to my knowledge? ever receive text? yes. the one I remember was the day after her mother reported her missing to cops. CROSS EXAMINATION 14:23:50 - did anything happen that had to do with caylee? no. no one saw her? no. did anything happen that night that had to do with her death? no. 14:24:45 - the casey you knew was a nice person? yes. she treated you with respect? yes. she looked out for you and the other girls? yes. was she considered a big sister? yes. she always made sure we were ok and weren't in harms way at all. 14:25:35 - casey was somewhat of a protector? yes. 14:26:00 - you have no information that helps this jury decide what happened june 16th? no. REDIRECT 14:26:30 - did she tell you her daughter was missing? no, kidnapped? no. needed help? no. did she give you any indication something was wrong? no. ERICA GONZALEZ - DARK LONG BLACK HAIR, BLACK SWEATER/BLAZER 14:29:00 - detailing work history, full time mom, education, location, working at fusion night club, shot girl. 14:30:00 - was that a nightly occurrence? it was once every friday. did you work every friday in june 2008? I believe so. OBJECTION, OVERRULED. 14:30:35- did you come into contact with casey? I did. was this at fusion? it was. did you know her beforehand? I did not. how did you meet? I met her through one of the girls at the night club. 14:31:15 - did you have the opportunity to speak with her? when I was a shot girl I spoke to her many times. 14:31:40 - she was kind of like our manager. we'd tell her what we were wearing and if anything happened, she'd protect us. 14:32:30 - did casey ever tell you what to wear? no. ever make suggestions? no. did you ever speak to casey about things outside fusion? 14:33:16 - from speaking with her did you know where she was living? no. 14:33:44 - do you know ms. realander? I do. did an incident happen that you brought to 14:34:00 - did you know she had a child? yes. how? we were in the bathroom one day and she mentioned her daughter. she was taking care of us and explained she had a daughter. did she tell you anything about her? no. how old? no. her name? no. she was missing? NO. kidnapped? no. actively looking for her? no. anything wrong with her daughter? no. anything going on with her? no. ever see anything in her behavior that would lead you to believe anything was wrong? absolutely not. THANK YOU. CROSS EXAMINATION BACK TO PROSECUTION 14:36:25 - we were talking about dinner with all the shot girls. what else? she was going to call me back so we could meet up. she never called back. said she was heading to airport to pick someone up. did she say who? no. did you learn casey's daughter was missing? yes. what did you do? I heard that night I talked to her. I texted her the next day that if she needed anything let me know. I made flyers for my job. did you get response? she said thank you and that she was worried about caylee. did she say when she saw caylee last? with the nanny. 14:38:45 - did you have any understanding that there was anyone else in car with her? I don't recall. do you recall what your phone number was? yes. may I have it? 321-439-4577. CROSS EXAMINATION 14:40:00 - you stated casey was kind to you? she was. she was nice to you? yes. she looked out for all of you? she did. she talked about her daughter in bathroom? yes. did you see casey drink or get drunk? no. do you have any info as to what may have happened to caylee? as far as? how she died. no. WITNESS EXCUSED. RECESS AT 14:41:50 Late Afternoon Session WITNESS ANTHONY LAZZARO - short dark hair, white shirt, black tie 15:09:40 - when you moved into sutton place who did you live with? cameron. just the two of you for awhile? yes. two of my friends slept on the couch. one was roy house and nathan. did they pay any rent? no, it was just a friendly gesture. 15:10:45 - talks about full sail, college schedule, school open 24-7. 15:11:20 - what was your schedule may june 2008? it wasn't consistent. morning class 9-1 then sometimes an evening lab. 15::12:09- did you receive a computer? yes, macbook pro. as part of your education did you take it upon yourself to put on either shows or do some sort of events? they wanted you to get involved with the other kids because these could be people you'd work with in the music industry. 15:13:00- during may, june 2008, did you try to set up a small business? yes. what did you do? i had experience deejaying. me and clint started our own company doing promotion. did it have a name? we had a bunch of names but it became DBC entertainment. 15:14:15 -when did you start working as deejay? we went to fusion. we met with the owner. we said hey we're deejays, we have experience, if you're interested we could do a party on a friday night. that's basically how that started. 15:15:08 - that started in june. at the same time you were taking classes? yes sir. did you own a car this time period? yes. what kind? 97 jeep grand cherokee. 15:15:50 - may 2008, did there come a time you came in contact with casey? yes sir? how did that start? I met her on facebook, we became friends. I found her through facebook, it shows people in your area, so i sent her a friend request. did she respond immediately? I don't know. 15:17:10 - first time we met in person was at my friend's birthday. his name was dan howard. this was the same time I was starting deejay company around the end of May. I was inviting a ton of people and made it a facebook event. That's when she got back to me to go to the party. 15:18:15 - while you were talking did you learn she had a child? I believe so? did you know her name? I can't recall? do you know how old she was? a toddler 15:18:48 - what were your first impressions? pretty girl. she showed up with bunch of friends. we hit it off. 15:19:20 - did you make plans to see her again? Not that night but shortly after. 15:19:45 - she would come over and show up to my apartment. how often? a couple of times. a week? more or less a couple times a week. 15:20:15- did she bring her daughter? yes. did you two stay at apt. or go out? we went to the pool. she brought her daughter over and we went down by the pool. at your apt. complex? yes sir. do you remember when? I'd say June 2nd. 15:21:06 - do you know what arden villas is? That's not ringing a bell. did you invite her to another party? I remember inviting her to a pool party. did she attend? yes. bring anyone? no. 15:22:00 - aware of her car? yes. what was she driving? white pontiac. on june 4th 2008, did you attend party for troy brown? yes. who went? me, clint and maria. when you went to that party where was it? club voyage. when you went there on the 4th of june, who drove? casey did. what car did you take? her car. was it during this time you first met caylee? yes. did you see her in any other context? yes, when we went to mall of millenia. it was a friday afternoon, I'd say the 13th. 15:24:30 - went to mall to hand out flyers for event. when you did that, was casey with you? no. did she go to mall with you? yes. she and caylee walked around the mall. did you meet up again? yes. we went to cheesecake factory and had a late lunch. how did you get to mall? I believe it was in her car. 15:25:30 - did caylee ever spend the night at your apartment? no sir. 15:25:50 - when casey dropped you off at the apartment, was that the last time you saw caylee? yes sir. 15:26:30- did you go to fusion june 13, 2008. yes sir. did casey attend? yes sir. who hires the shot girls? it was between me and clint and the other two promoters. who would instruct the shot girls? it came down to the owner. 15:27:59 - casey wanted to help out so we said you could tell the shot girls what they needed to know. did she tell them what to wear? I don't recall. 15:28:40 - she had a job at universal studios? did she tell you what she did? something with events. did she ever give you details about the job? throughout the relationship she'd talk abuot specific people. I recall a Jeff, other girls names. did she complain about the job? I can't remember specifics. She might have. see her with ID? she'd walk in apt. with universal badge. did it have pic on it? yes. 15:30;15 - her babysitter and her mother (were taking care of caylee while casey was at work). did she talk to you about the babysitter's name? at that point, zani. this was at begining of relationship? yes. tell you where zani lived? no. any relatives? no. cared for any other kids? no. ever discuss what she paid zani? I don't remember. did she ever tell you when the nanny would take care of her and when her mother would take care of her? it would be either or. 15:32:06 COUNSEL APPROACHES BENCH 10 MINUTE RECESS. 15:40:18 - testimony resumes. 15:42:17- pic of tony and casey. 15:42:30 - was that pic taken in june, 2008? yes sir. can you tell when it was taken? it'd have to be early june when I began promoting ....is that accurate representation of what you both looked like on June 13, 2008? yes sir. 15:43:43 - SIDEBAR shot of george and cindy at 15:46:10 15:48:20 - OBJECTION NOTED AND OVERRULED 15:48:41 - PIC IS PUBLISHED TO THE JURY 15:49:15 - after this showcase, did casey return to your apt? yes. did she stay over? yes. was this the first time she stayed over? I believe so yes, definitely. did there come a time after june 13 that casey began spending more time with you? yes. mid to late june. did she spend every night? yes. 15:50:45 - did you see defendant that day (June 16)? yes. what time? anywhere after 6:30-7. do you recall going to blockbuster? yes. with casey? yes. 15:51:45 - JUDGGE READS: copy of video surveillance at blockbuster are true and accurate represenation. parties have agreed to this fact. should be considered true in your deliberations. you may proceed. 15:52:40 - move DVD of video into evidence. 15:53:30- video published to jury 15:53:39 - shots of video surveillance at blockbuster being shown in court 15:54:30 - did you recognize yourself? yes, that's the marbury jersey. you have your arms around someone? who? casey. this is on june 16, 2008? yes sir. how would you describe her demeanor? the way she was every day. which was? happy ..happy to see me, having a grand old time. did she ever cry? no. act scared? no. nervous? tell you that dauther was missing? no. something wrong with her? no. something happeend to her? no. attitude any different than previous times you had seen her? no.did she stay over that night? yes sir. from there on did she stay with you? yes. 15:56:51- any toiletries for caylee? no. do you recall her talking to caylee on phone? not taht I recall. her parents? any time she talked on phone she went outside. on this night, did she call anyone? no. on june 16th,this was a new relationship? yes. did you care for her? yes. it was going well? yes. any fights? no. disagreements? no. She stayed that night, correct? yes. the following day did you spend with her? yes, I played hookey. why? didn't feel like leaving my home. you spent you day with Casey? yes. what was your phone number? i've changed it so many times, I can't remember. It was an ATT. 15:59:20 - on june 17th you play hookey? yes. what did you do? stayed in my room. any change in casey's behavior? no. did she give you any indication anything wrong? no. say antying about her daughter? no. do you recall if she ever called anyone in your presence? not in my presence. you spend the entire day and night with her june 17? yes sir. how about june 18? I went to class. what was casey doing? going to work, going to see caylee, wherever she had to go. did she tell you where she'd go? no. you understood she had a job? yes. 16:01:25 - on june 19 did you go looking for apt? yes. did you go with casey? yes. 16:01:58 -who were you planning on living with? nathan and brian. did you bring defendant? yes. did you both look at it? no. she didn't have ID on her. during this time period, where was casey living? she was living at home, she was always talking about taking the anthony's home because they were going to move out. 16:03:37 - the defendant was goin gto live with amy, either in another home or apt? yes. did she say anything about her dad? not at that time? her mother? not that I can recall at that time. Right now everything's pretty good? yes sir. 16:04:15 - by the 18th of june were you sharing any of your secrets? not that I recall. June 20th, did you go to fusion again? yes sir. another hip hop showcase? did casey go with you? yes sir. did anything different happen? yes, there was a hot body contest. promoted beforehand? I can't recall but it was a last minute decision. when you got there, were there enough to have a contest? more or less. At some point did casey particpate? yes. who asked her to participate? I wasn't present. she told me about it. any objections to it? I can't recall, I maybe hestitated for a second. 16:06:45 - since this is your showcase, what is your role? my role is to make sure nothing got out of hand. that was basically it. 16:07:55 - do you recognize that photo? yes. what is it? the hot body contest? do you recogize casey? yes. what is she wearing? a blue dress. you were present while this was going on? yes. a fair and accurate representation of contest? yes sir. MOVE INTO EVIDENCE. BAEZ OBJECTS. OVERRULED. RECEIVED INTO EVIDENCE. PUBLISHED TO JURY. 16:10:00 - any diffrence in casey's behavior? no sir. any time did she tell you caylee is missing? no sir. kidnapped? no sir. actively looking for her? no sir. ask you for help? no. she needed help? something had happened to her? no. 16:11:22- was showcase a success? yes. defendant came home with you? yes sir. June 23rd, was there a time casey told you she had run out of gas? yes sir. what time? mid to late afternoon. where you in class? I was at home. what did she tell you? she ran out of gas and needed to be picked up. did she sound scared? no. frantic? no. worried? no. I went to where she was an picked her up. 16:13:16 - did you talk to her on phone while going to meet her? yes. did she have anything with her? a backpack. had you seen it before? I can't remember. where did you go? she said she had gas at her house. had you been to her house? no. did she direct you? yes. Parked in driveway. where there any cars in driveway? no. where did you go? to her backyard. did you go into garage? yes. how did you get in? she opened it. 16:14:38 - when door opened, any cars in garage? no. did you go in anthony home? we went to back yard. did you recall being inside home? I don't recall. you went to side of house? we went to the shed. we had to open it. that;s where gas cans werre. we broke lock with tire iron from my truck. were you concerned? yes. she said it's ok it's my shed. 16:16:08 - did you break the lock? yes. how many gas cans did you take? two. what did you do with them? put them in the truck and she directed me to her car. who put gas into car? casey did. after, what did she do with cans? she put them in trunk. what kind of car? white pontiac. when she opened the trunk could you see inside? no. where did you go? back to my apt. did casey express concern with breaking into shed? no. did her mood change? no. was she ok? yes. 16:18:04 - what happened when she took a phone call? she'd go outside. 16:18:25 - did you find it odd she'd leave every time she took a phone call? yes and no. i thought it'd be a private matter with her mom. was there a change in mood? no. ever give you any details? no. did casey ever say to you I'm going to call the babysitter? yes. did she dial a phone? she'd grab phone and go outside. did she tell you about arguments with mom? I don't remember anything specific. did her mood change after talking with mom? no, not drastically. did she give you details? no, it wasn't my business. 16:20:20 - did she give you any indication about home life? after I got back from NY. Gone June 30 to 5th july. 16:21:25 - did she tell you where she was? at an amscot. where? end of goldenrod road. did you pick her up? yes. did yo get out of car? no. was she in car? outside of car. did she have anything in her hands? bags or groceries. what did she have? groceries. when she got in car, did she have anger about running out of gas? she said the car broke down and my father will look at it. 16:23:10 - what did casey say when you offered help? that her father would take care of it. after you picked her up did you go to apt.? yes. drop off groceries? yes. did you go to fashion square mall later that day? yes. 16:24:20 - COPY OF VIDEO SURVEILLANCE FROM JC PENNEY. SUBMITTED INTO EVIDENCE. PUBLISHED TO JURY. 16:25:50 - VIDEO SHOWN TO JURY AND IN COURT 16:27:17 - do you recognize yourself? yes. how about casey is she there? yes. 16:27:55 - more shots of video 16:28:57 - I take it you drove to the mall? yes sir. did you ever see that car again? no. did you buy anything at the mall? did I personally? no. June 27, did you go to fusion again? yes. another showcase? yes. did casey go with you? yes sir. 16:29:57 - do you recognize that photo? yes. who is that? myself and casey anthony. when was it taken? june 27th. 16:30:57 - is this accurate representation of what you and casey looked like on june 27th? yes. BAEZ OBJECTS. OVERRULED. RECEIVED INTO EVIDENCE. 16:31:47 - on this night, was there any change in casey's demeanor? no sir. was she upset? no sir. angry? no sir. sad? no sir. her daughter was missing? no sir. kidnapped? no sir. she needed help? no sir. 16:32:45- what date did you leave for vacation? the 30th of june. how did you get to airport? casey drove me and cameron to the airport. how did you get to airport? in my jeep. did you drive? yes. what was the plan for the car? casey was supposed to drop it off at sutton place. 16:33:48 - did you agree to let her use your car? no. did you talk abuot the status of her car? yes. her dad was supposed to take is someplace ...mechanic or dealership. her father was taking care of it. 16:34:36 - is casey in this court? yes. what is she wearing? she's wearing a blue blouse. THANK YOU YOUR HONOR. WITNESS IS SUBJECT TO RECALL. CROSS EXAMINATION. 16:35:52 - you realize casey is standing trial on a death penalty case? yes. did she talk about murders she committed? no. did she borrow duct tape? no. get any weapons? no. what about the second photo. did she talk about murdering anyone? no. murdering caylee? no. any weapons? no. borrow any knives and guns? no. borrow anything she could use to commit a murder? no. what about JC Penny. buy any duct tape? no. plastic bags? no. weapons? no. 16:39:00 -you had no issues dating a girl with a child? no. you liked caylee? yes. did casey be attentive to caylee? yes. did she neglect her? no. go without food? no. wearing dirty clothes? no. most of interaction was that she was a good mother? yes. 16:40:03 - on june 2nd you went to pool? yes. did casey discipline caylee? not that I recall. Do you recall by the pool where she raised her voice? not by the pool. do you recall that at all? no. if i show you your statement on september 18, 2008, would that help? sure. 16:42:02 - tell jury what happened? she was going near pool, didn;t want her to go near pool. what did casey do? what any mother would do, stop her from getting near the pool. did caylee enjoy the pool? yes. you saw that? yes. 16:43:15 - there was a secret she shared, right? yes. OBJECT. sustained on heresay. SIDEBAR. 16:44:30 - OBJECTION SUSTAINED. 16:45:00 - you were cooperative with law enforcement? yes sir. the only people you talked to was law enforcement? yes sir. you wouldn't speak to defense? you cooperated with their every request? yes. you allowed them to tap your phone? yes. you wore a wire? yes. 16:46:00 - you never made any statements to media? no. you never sold any photos or made money off this case? no sir. 16:46:40 - the first time casey ran out of gas, you had to break into the shed? yes. Could she have broken in? she could have. 16:47:28 - at that point, you drove to her car? yes. did she say stay away from the car? no. was she blocking you in any way? no. did she tell you to stay away? no. when she poured the gas into tank, you were standing next to her? right. how far is trunk, a few feet away? more than two feet. 16:48:51 - after she poured gas can in, she opened trunk? no. at any time did you smell any stench in that car? no sir. but I wasn't in the car. 16;51:01 - do you recall if you saw lining of trunk? no sir. baez shows him statement from october 2008. 16:51:45 - when she opened trunk, you could see liner? yes. on the edge of the car. the second time she ran out of gas, she told you she ran out of gas? yes. I said broke down meaning she ran out of gas. on the 27th of june, you came because she ran out of gas? yes. I was just offering help in general. 16:53:10 - baez wants to introduce photo after talking about hardship for lazzaro to return to testify. 17:02:15 - you can't introduce those now. read the ID numbers into the record just so we know what you're talking about. 17:03:15 - when you went to pick up casey at amscot, her car was in a parking spot, right? it was cockeyed. it was at goldenrod? where goldenrod meets colonial. 17:04:38 - you can approach witness but don't expose it to jury 17:07:50 - WE WILL COME BACK TOMORROW. RECESS FOR THE EVENING.
CASEY ANTHONY TRIAL / SWITCHED P4
FTG FOR COVERAGE OF THE CASEY ANTHONY MURDER TRIAL / DAY 2 OF TRIAL / SWITCHED POOL Early Morning Session 9:01:03 - I'm not going to have a jury waiting around as you search for files. How much time do need to search for a file? if you continue this you'll be working Sundays to. You need to put your heads together. there's be a 10 minute recess. SESSION RESUMES AT 9:14:50 - Cameron Campana called to stand - lond dark hair, wearing dark colored shirt. 9:16:11 - 2007 to 2009, almost three years. did you graduate from full sail? yes, 9:16:30 - what do you currently do? I'm a club promoter in cleveland 9;16:45- sutton place apartments, I forget which apartment number. I lived with Anthony Lazarro. It was a two bedroom, two bathroom apartment, maybe one thousand square feet. 9:18:26 - at one point you had four men living in this apartment? yes. 9:18:55 - directing your attention to May, June, 2008. can you tell me your school schedule? 9:19:54 - SIDEBAR 9:21:50- did your classes also entail working? no. after you went to classes from 1-9, you were done? yes. 9:22:34 - we started at the same time, we were on different schedules. did you have the occassion to meet casey. 9:23:04- I met her through anthony lazarro after a birthday party, May 24th or around that date. 9:23:32- she was just a regular 22 year old girl, happy, just seemed normal. just your average 22 year old. 9:24:12- the middle of June, 2008 (casey started staying with them) 9:24:30- I would see har daily once she would start staying with us. outside the apartent, 2 or 3 times. 9:24:55 - about four times maybe three (met caylee). either in lazarro's room or in lving room watching tv 9:25:33- Caylee never spent the night at the apartment. 9:25:58 - she had mentioned to us she worked for universal as an event coordinator. she would talk about her job every now and them. she had mentioned picking up tickets for a batman premeiere. she'd say work was stressing her out. she told anthony she was going to get red carpet tickets for the premeier but it never happened. 9:28:20 - she told us she was looking for an apartment with amy. had you met her? i believe once. 9:29:05 - did you ever see defendant getting ready to go to work? no. 9:29:20 - when she started living with you did you ever see caylee again? I believe once. we had asked and one time she said she was going to universal with the nanny. the other time she was going to cocoa beach for a birthday party. 9:30:03 - she said she'd talk to caylee on the phone. 9:30:21- did you ever hear her on the phone talking to her daughter? no. did you hear her talking to the nanny? no. did you ever hear her on the phone? she'd step outside and talk. she'd go out by the pond out back. when she came back to the apartment did she tell you who she was talking to? I asked her why she always went out side and she said it was her time to vent. 9:31:50- who was doing the cooking? everyone would do their part. she'd started cooking and buying groceries. 9:32:28 - it was mostly her laundry, sometimes anthony's and I think one time she did mine. she helped clean, we all helped keep it. 9:33:15- did you have a computer? yes, macbook pro. did your roomates have computer? yes. did you see the defendant with a compyuter? yes. did you see her using it? yes. Did you ever use it? no. did she ever ask to borrow your computer? no. anyone else? no. 9:34:11 - she seemed just the same, nothing had changed. she was happy. seemed excited about life. did you ever socailize outsid the apartment? one or two times. 9:34:51- have you ever heard of fusion. 9:35:55- have you ever met george or cindy anthony? no 9:36:11 - did you see any clothing that belonged to caylee? only when she brought her over. did you see it after she started living with you? not that I saw. any stuffed animals? no. 9:37:00- did she ever tell you her daughter was missing? no. that she'd been kidnapped? no. did she ever ask you for help in finding caylee? no. are you aware of an incident July 15 when the defendants mother came to your apartment? I had class and anthony told me what happened. 9:38:10 - had you ever met lee anthony before? no. what did you tell him? I was sorry about what had happened. how did he seem? he seemed calm but at the same time he was worried. he came and picked up a bag of clothes casey had in anthony's room. did you have any contact with defendant after that night? no. lee anthony? no. 9:39;15 - NO FURTHER QUESTIONS, CROSS EXAMINATION BEGINS 9:39:36- were you in casey's home, June, 2008, when caylee drowned? no. end of questions. NEXT WITNESS - NATHAN LEZNIEWICZ - buzz cut, tan shirt 9:41:28 - Nathan Lezniewicz called to stand 94:2:33 - lived in Orlando, going to full sail university for audio engineering. attended for a year and half. attained no degree. currently in band in Vero Beach, also played in bands while attending full sail. 9:43:40 - first started living with Tony Lazarro at end of May 2008. slept on couch, planned on staying for about a month once lease ended 9:44:30 - school schedule for month of June was 9-5. no work outside of school at time. left town a lot. 9:45:08 - how did you first meet Casey Anthony? the drummer of my band, Daniel Howard, had a birthday party which is where Tony and Casey first met. She seemed like a normal 22 year old girl. She was outgoing. 9:46:04 - where did you first meet Caylee? at my apartment 9:46:39 - did she ever spend the night? did casey or caylee ever spend the night? no sir. did there ever come a time she stayed every day? when? third and fourth week of june her staying over picked up quite a bit. 9:47:25 - did she every tell you about her employment? she said she was employed at universal. did you ever see ID badge? no sir. did she ever talk about her work? once in a while. The only thing she talkd about a batman premiere. 9:48:30 - did she ever complain about her work? no sir 9:48:45 - while you were getting ready for school, was she getting ready for work? she was getting ready also and I assumed that's where she was going. 9:49:22- did you spend time alone with her? yes sir. what did you do? hang out, watch tv. was Tony's other roommate, from Ft. Pierce, was in a band, travelled a 9:45:18 - first met casey when drummer in his band had a bday party. Casey was there. That's where tony met her. 9:45:44 - she seemed like a normal girl 9:51:10 - typically she was with the nanny, out doing things. was there anything about casey's demeanor that made you qeustion what she was telling you? no sir. 9:51:50- did she tell you about her parents? not much. when she had a conversation with her parents, she'd leave the apartment because she didn't want us to hear them. did you ever hear here speaking to her daughter? no sir. the nanny? no sir. 9:52:53- did you ever get near car? no sir. did she tell you she was having car trouble? just one morning when she broke down near the amscot. 9:53:40 - what did she do while in the apartment? did she cook? yes. did she clean? yes. did she do the laundry? no, not mine. where did you socialize? fusion nightclub, mostly friday evenings. were there any things going on friday nights? 9:54:44 - how many times were you at fusion with casey? two or three times maybe. 9:56:20 - pic of casey with NATHAN 9:56:40- when you were at fusion did she participate in a contest? yes. what was that contest? a hot body contest. 9:57:30- where was that photo taken? at fusion. was this during June, 2008? yes sir. BAEZ ASKS FOR SIDEBAR, JUDGE SAYS Not at this point. 9:58:16 - photo admitted into evidence. 9:58:34 - SIDEBAR AGAIN. 10:02:58 - JUDGE ALLOWS PHOTO TO BE PUBLISHED TO JURY 10:03:20 - she always seemed like she was having a good time. she's an outgoing personality. at any time she was living with you, did you ever see her distraught? no sir. depressed? no sir. scared? no sir. angry? no sir. did she ever tell you her daughter was missing? no sir. her daughter was kidnapped? no sir. did she ever ask for help in trying to find her? no sir. 10:05:03 - during this time period, was there anything about her demeanor that gave you concern? no sir. when there was a knock on the door, there was a blond girl there I didn't recognize. casey stepped outside and closed the door. she came back inside with her mother and amy huizinga. did you see casey come back after she left with the blond gir? yes. what happened? she was in an argument with cindy and cindy told her to get her stuff and go. did she go outside? yes sir. did she come back? no. did you ever see her again? no. did you speak with her on the phone. no sir. 10:06:51 - we were confused. we didn't know what was going on. we thought it was just something between her, her mother and roommmate. 10:07:30 - lee felt bad for us and said his sister was known to get into trouble ...objection, sustained. 10:08:12- were you visited by law enforcement? yes. how many times? twice. 100900 - did law enforcement question you about amy? no. how long were they there? about five minutes, just enough to collect cell phone. 10:09:46 - what did police do the second time? they searched the apartment. how long where they there? maybe 20-25 minutes. did they take items with them? I do not recall. 10:10:15 =- did you see any clothing belonging to caylee? no sir. any stuffed animals? no sir. NO FURTHER QUESTIONS CROSS EXAMINATION 10:11:12 - you saw caylee how many times? two to three. did she look hungry? no. well fed? yes. did casey seem attentive? yes. 10:12:10 - looking back at casey's behavior, there was no indication that caylee was dead? no sir. there was no signs in any way shape or form? no sir. 10:13:07 - she didn't park 50 yards away where no other cars were parked? no sir. I have no further questions. 10:13:30 - were you present on june 2008 when caylee drowned in the pool? no sir. SIR YOU MAY STAND DOWN. BREAK Late Morning Session TESTIMONY RESUMES AT 10:36:09 STATE CALLS ROY HAUSE GOES BY CLINT - short dark hair, blue button down. 10:39:04 - where do you live? jacksonville, sir. was there a time you lived in orlando? yes sir. when? 2007-2009. what were you studying there? recording arts to engineer and produce music. how long were you there? 10 months. did you get a degree? no. 10:39:56 - where did you live? with tony and cam. what time period in 2008? I was only there a few months. I moved in the end of April and moved out June, 2008. 10:40:43- do you recall during that time period you were at school? I'd be there from 1am to 5am, sometimes 1pm to 5pm. 10:41:20 - did you meet casey? yes I did. do you recall where? tony and I met her at a party. 10:41:56 - she seemed like a fun party girl who'd get along with our group of friends. 10:42:30 - did you ever meet caylee? yes. where? at the sutton place apartments. how many times? four or five times. did caylee ever stayed over? no she never stayed over? did there come a times casey started staying full time? yes. when? middle of June she started spending most of the nights there. did you mind? no, not at all? was this a big apartment? no, we were all kind of crammed in there. 10:43:55 - did casey ever tell you about her employment? she said she worked at universal. did you ever see credentials? no. did she complain about it? no. 10:44:41 - she didn't talk about her work all that much. 10:44:55- when she started staying full time, did you ever see caylee? when she started aying on regular basis we stopped seeing caylee. did you ask her about caylee? yes. she said she was with the nanny. did she indicate nanny was local? yes. did she indicate caylee was anywhere but orlando? no. did it seem odd child was always with nanny. objection. did you question her about where caylee was? i asked her where caylee was and she said she was with the nanny. was there any concern in her voice? no. did she appear worried about where caylee was? no. did she seem sad about not seeing her? her demeanor never changed. 10:47:10 - did you also had a laptop? yes. did casey have a laptop? yes. what kind? hp. did you ever use her computer? no. did she ever use yours? no. did she ever use anyone's but her own? no. while she was staying with you, were you ever present when she spoke on the phone? yes. to whom was she speaking? she'd always walk outside and was either on phone with nanny or her mother. was there any change in her demeanor? no. did she appear nervous? no sir. scared? no sir. 10:48:52- did you see her on daily basis at this time? yes. where did you recall going with her? every friday night we had our own promotional night at fusion and she'd come every friday. she'd try to help us bring people out. when you say she helped bring people out, what do you mean? because she was tony's girlfriend, she'd tell her friends to come out using facebook, myspace, texts. 10:50:29 - none of her friends ever came. 10:50:40 - did casey participate in those events? yes. what role did she play? she was in a couple contests I hosted. she was in a hot body contest, she would mingle with the crowd. 10:51:40 - did casey have anything to do with selecting shot girls? no. did she have anything to do with how they dressed? she'd give them some tidbits but I was telling the girls what they needed to wear. she would say maybe they should wear these shorts with this shot. 10:52:55- do you know a woman by the name of marie kish? yes. did she attend any of the nights at fusion? yes she did. DEFENSE CONFERS, NOW A SIDEBAR. 10:59:50 - SHOT OF GEORGE AND CINDY IN COURTROOM. 11:04:00 - testimony resumes 11:04:11 - what was her demeanor at fusion? she was partying and having a good time. did she seem upset about anything? no. did she seem happy? yes. 11:04:58 - they both seemed happy with each other. she'd come over and cook dinner for everybody. tony seemed happy and so did she. did you see casey and tony fight? no. did you ever notice casey sad? no. angry? no. depressed? no. withdrawn? no. she was still same. 11:06:08 - were you home July 15? no, I moved out. moved out two weeks before that. 11:07:20 - did you have any further contact with casey? no. did she ever tell you her daughter was kidnapped? no. was she worried about her? no. she needed help? no. NO FURTHER QUESTIONS 11:08:36 - the extent you know casey is a month and a half? yes. and you saw caylee how many times? four or five times. did she have backpack? yes. she would have toys, flashcards with shaped and colors. what other learning tools did you see casey teach caylee. never saw any other learning tools. she did have some dvds she brought over. in this bag you'd see diapers, other snacks? yes sir. did you see caylee malnourished? no sir. neglected? no sir. see casey strike caylee? no sir. treat caylee as a burden? no. would you say she was a good mother? yes I would. 11:10:55 - did you ever seen them go out to the pool? no. were you aware that tony lazarro casey and caylee went to pool on june 2nd? yes. who else was there? no one but them. 11:1:44- you weren't keeping a close eye on casey's computer at any time? no sir. 11:13:30- discussion about fusion, what it is, sushi bar, etc. 11:14:17 - this business with shot girls, that's part of your ambiance? yes. casey wasn't a shot girl, was she? no sir. she volunteered to manage these girls? she wasn't managing anybody. that was me and tony. this was while she was staying with you, rent free? yes. part of pulling her weight helping you financially? yes. cooking? yes. cleaning? yes. trash? no, that was us guys. 11:16:00- casey was a friendly girl? yes. she cared about people? yes. she cared about you? yes. you saw her caring for her child? yes. you found out caylee was dead during that time period? yes, i have. you noticed no change in her behavior from the time period she was a loving and caring mother up until the time caylee was deceased? never saw one change in her. 11:17:00 WITNESS EXCUSED 11:18:30 - MARIA KISSH - LONG DARK HAIR, GRAY BLAZER, BLUE BLOUSE. 11:19:20 - she describes who she is, her job in retail sales, educational background at UF, majored in political science, 2007. employed in 2008. working for man running for county office. paying job. had position in may, june 2008. 11:22:00 - I was introduced through clint. had you already known tony? yes. had you known nathan? yes. you knew all these people but casey was a new person you met? yes. did you meet her daughter? no. at some point did you meet caylee? yes. where? at tony's apartment. what do you recall about meeting her? caylee answered the door by herself. had you seen her before? no sir. did you ask her who she was? I knew who she was and said hi, how are you. when you walking in did you see casey? no. at some point did you see her? I did. where from? tony's room. how much time did you spend with caylee? not long, a half hour. 11:24:20 - was casey anywhere around? I saw her come out of the room for a minute and then she went back into tony's room. 11:24:55 - I ended up sitting on balcony and caylee was out there as well. clint got me and said he was ready to go. I felt uncomfortable. why? I didn't want to leave caylee alone. was it (balcony) screened? yes, it was. OBJECTION. APPROACH. 11:26:27 - SHOT OF GEORGE ANTHONY 11:28:30 - SHOT OF CASEY TALKING WITH FEMALE ATTORNEY 11:30:14 - SHOT OF EVIDENCE, FILES, FILE BOXES 11:33:10 - testimony continues 11:33:23 - right around that time, tony caylee and casey were going to leave as well. so casey and tony came out and casey told caylee to get her shoes on because it was time to leave. that was about it. I saw caylee struggling to put on her shoes and socks so i helped her put on her shoes. was caylee verbal with you? yes. she was. was the plan for all of you to go out together? no. 11:35:10 - after that visit, did you see caylee again? yes sir. how often were you at your boyfriend's? 2 to 3 times a week. did you stay the night? a couple times. when you were there, did you recall a time casey was there? I do. all the time? yes. how did you become aware of that. I talked to clint and he would tell me casey's been there all day. OBJECTION. sustained. 11:36:22- was the defendant there? yes. when you stayed for dinner was she there? yes. how would you describe relationship with casey? we saw each other several times because tony and clint would be together. we didn't have a friendship but it was an acquaintance. 11:37:18 - she said she worked for univeral as an event planner. any other details? no sir. ever tell you her hours? not that i can remember. ever see any ID from universal? no sir. did you question if she workd at universal? no sir. 11:38:10 - spend time with casey outside apartment? yes. what kinds of things? going out at night to bar or club and grabbing a bite to eat. did you see casey and tony together? yes. what were your observations on them as couple? OBJECTION, opinion, overruled. 11:39:08 - They got along well, it seemd to be beneficial for tony. did they appear to like each other? I believe so. 11:39:40 - did you ever see them argue? no. do you know what fusion is? yes. what is it? restaurant slash night club. were you at fusion with boyfriend and casey? yes sir. how many times? one time. 11:40:30 - I went to fusion with casey on June 20th. how do you remember? it was a friday and there was a hot body contest that night. 11:41:10 - what do you recall about hot body contest. objection. sustained. did you witness it? yes sir. did defendant participate? yes sir. what was defendant wearing during contest? she was wearing thin knit dress, blueish color. 11:42:34 - pic of casey and nathan 11:43:00 - based on outfit she appears to be wearing, is this an accurate representation of what she was wearing on june 20, 2008. yes. did you participate? no sir. PIC REPUBLISHED TO JURY 11:44:00 - do you recall any role other than being in hot body contest? yes. what was her role? she was in charge of the shot girls. did you see her interacting with them? i did. did you hear her telling them what they were supposed to do? i did. did you hear her discussing their attire? i can't remember. was there anyting about casey's demeanor that alarmed you? no. did she appear angry or upset? no sir. 11:45:20 - where did you stay that night? at the apartment. did you see casey next morning? yes, in kitchen in the morning. did you have a discussion? yes. I asked her where caylee was. she said she was spending weekend at the beach with the nanny. did she give you nanny's name? no. she told me she paid the nanny 400 dollars a week. 11:46:40 - did you ask casey about caylee's dad? APPROACH OBJECTION OVERRULED 11:48:40- what did casey tell you about caylee's dad? she told me he was deceased. 11:49:20 - what did she tell you her living situation was? that she was going to move into her parent's house and they were giving the house to her and caylee. when? didn't give an exact time, within the next couple of months. did casey ever tell you her daughter was missing? no. kidnapped? no. out looking for her? no. asked for help? no. 11:50:15 - did you ride in her car? yes. when? can't remember exact date. it was while she was staying with them, cling and tony. when you were in the car, who were you with? I was with casey, tony and clint. THANK YOU. CROSS EXAMINATION. 11:51;10 - where did you go in the car? to get something to eat. when you sat in back seat did you smell odor? no sir. clint was in backseat? yes. did he say anything? no sir. did tony say anything? no sir. 11:52:30 - you didn't like her being at house? it didn't bother me. your boyfriend lived at house? correct. and casey was at the same house? correct. it struck you odd she was there all the time? yes sir. you would call your boyfriend when she was there? yes. that didn't bother you? no, it never bothered me at all. END OF QUESTIONING around 11:50am Early Afternoon Session 13:14:12 - defense claims the testimony to the shovel is not relevant. says the shovel is misleading, not related nor tied to the offense. we present motion to exclude mention of shovel 13:16:36 - DENIED - just because you're not contesting does not alleviate state's obligation to prove something. anything else before we bring jury back in. BAEZ - objects again. 13:17:34 - discussion of audio problems. 13:20:11 - JURY RETURNS 13:21:15 STATE CALLS BRIAN BURNER - neighbor with shovel. heavy-set man with blue button down shirt, dark hair. 13:22:08 - do you know george and cindy? I do. how do you know them? neighbors. They are your next door neighbors? correct. when did you move into your home? 2005. when you moved in where the anthonys already living there? yes. was casey living there? yes. Lee? I don't recall. how would you describe your relationship with the anthonys? cordial neighbors. did they go to your house for dinner? no. you to theirs? no. 13:24:04 - are any of your children friends with casey or lee? no. 13:24:20 - week of june 16, 2008. were you in your home at that time? yes. did you take a vacation? I did. June 2008? yes. when did you return home? evening of the 16th. you were home on June 17th? yes. did you see casey? I saw casey's vehicle. it was backing into the garage. had you seen casey drive that car before? yes. did anyone else drive it during this time period? no. 12:26:00 - was car into garage or driveway? into the garage. I could see the front end of garage from our window. Did that seem strange? no. have you seen the car backed into the driveway before? not until that day. do you know how long car was there? no. were you home on the 18th? i was doing yardwork outside. was anyone else outside? no. 13:27:15 - did you see casey? she approached me later in the afternoon? when? around 1:30. why did she approach you? she said she wanted to borrow a shovel to dig up a bamboo root. 13:28:20 - pic of shovel 13:28:30 - is that the shovel you lent to casey? yes. OBJECTION OVERRULED AND IT WILL BE RECEIVED INTO EVIDENCE. 13:29:38 - did you see where she came from? no. had she ever asked to borrow anything before? no. did you have a problem with it? no. I walked around to the shed and gave her the shovel. 13:30:29 - did you see her walking into her home? only into the garage. 13:31:00 - while you were cleaning up did you see casey? no. I put equipment in shed then to see if casey was finished. I then went back into the house. I told my son casey borrowed the shovel and if she knocked on the door to take the shovel from her. 13:31:48 - did you get your shovel back? I did. she knocked on the door an hour after I gave her the shovel. did you notice anything different? no. what did you do? I opened garage door and set it in the garage. did you see defendant leave? no. did you see her white car? where? it was back into the garage. 13:32:50 - did you see casey car again that week? one other time. When? either 19 or 20th. 13:33:45 - did you see car pull into the driveway? the car backed in. did you see anything else? no. do you know how long car stayed there? no. 13:34:25 - other than those three instances in June 2008, did you have contact with casey? no. did you have contact with george? one time ...in July. 13:34:55 - when police arrived, did you go outside? no. did you talk to george? no. Cindy? no. when you saw casey on June 18, 2008, did she tell you her daughter was missing? no. kidnapped? no. that she was looking for her? no. did she tell you anything was wrong with her daughter? no. was she upset? no. sad? no. angry? no. just normal. 13:36:40 - THANK YOU SIR. CROSS EXAMINATION 13:37:03 - you fist gave a statement to law enforce. on July 17, 2008, right when media attention began? yes. you saw police cars next door on the 16th? I believe so. do you recall you gave a statement July 17? it was a Thursday. 13:38:10 - when you spoke with them, you told them you didn't know the date casey had borrowed the shovel but knew it was the week of the 16th? correct. you were called into sheriff's on June 30th? yes. you met with corporal edwards? yes. you then spoke with him a while? correct. that's when you started giving them dates? yes. do you recall if edwards asked you to close your eyes to remember because this was important? yes. did edwards tell you that as time passes you start to remember things. would you agree? to some extent. after you closed your eyes, that's when the dates became clear? no. that's when you told him the dates? no. you're saying as time passed you could recall the dates? correct. 12:41:00 - you wouldn't make it a habit to see how she parked her car? no. you're just the average neighbor? yes. you wouldn't consider yourself a nosy neighbor? no. you wouldn't notice how she parks her car every day? correct. 13:41:50 - when she gave you shovel back it wasn't muddy? no. she didn't look sweaty or digging a ditch? not that I recall. 13:42:30 - you can't offer us anything more than speculation about what she did with shovel? yes. NO FURTHER QUESTIONS REDIRECT 13:43:20 - do you recall telling him you saw a pickup? yes, wasn't sure of the vehicle. what do you recall about the incident? that was the monday the gas cans were taken. I looked out window and saw casey and thought nothing of it. 13:44:00 - where did you see casey? in the driveway. could you hear them speaking? no. there was casey and a man? correct. 13:44:33 - do you recall any other car in driveway? no. in garage? no. 13:45:27 - did you see casey drive away? no. did you hear any noises? no. 13:46:00 - was the white car there? no. RECROSS EXAMINATION 13:46:35 - when you started talking about them it was a month later after they occurred? correct. it's tough to recall everything a month prior? correct. no one told you on that day you should be looking for a certain car? correct. 13:48:35 - the anthony family home would be towards the right? correct. 13:49:03 - the date ...CAN I HAVE JUST A MOMENT? 13:49:35 - you didn't see the male? I saw casey and I saw the male first. any time you saw cars, you never saw anyone driving them? no. any time you saw casey's car you didn't see who was driving? correct. this shovel was then turned into fbi? I believe so. after you made that statement, there were media trucks outside your home? yes. for how long? months. STATE OBJECTS TO RELEVANCE. sustained 13:51:15 - you told mr george casey seemed normal? correct. WITHDRAWN WITNESS EXCUSED. RECESS ? 13:55:55 - shots of EVIDENCE BAGS 13:57:05 - MORE SHOTS OF EVIDENCE BAGS Late Afternoon Session 14:06:58 - testimony resumes JAMIE REALANDER - DARK, RED HAIR, BEIGE SWEATER, RED/ORANGE TOP 14:09:10 - detailing where she went to school and where she was working, rosen hotels, working with golf club at shingle creek. 14:10:11 - how did you first meet casey? I met her through a friend at fusion night club. 14:10:40 - who introduced you to casey? I believe it was my friend jenna prentice. who is she? just a friend at the time. was she an employee at fusion? not at that time? how was casey's demeanor? she was happy, seemd like a nice person to be friends with. was this may 2008? yes. was anything odd or out of place? no. 14:11:53- were you employed at some point at fusion? yes. as what? a shot girl. 14;13:10- directing your attention to june 20, 2008, were you a shot girl? no. june 13th? no. june 27th? yes. did you see casey? yes. what was your understanding of her role? she was the one we'd go to with questions. questions such as? where to be stationed, where to go for information. 14:14:15 - did you attend fusion on June 20, not as a shot girl? yes. do you recall a hot body contest? yes. 14:53:52 - do you see photo on monitor? yes. do you recognize yourself? yes. circle where you are. 14:15:19 - pic at FUSION. do you recognize casey? yes. what is she wearing? a blue dress. 14:15:45 - he circles her dress/pic 14:16:00 - anything out of the ordinary you recall from conversations with casey? no. 14:16:25 - is this pic a fair representation of what you and casey looked like on june 20, 2008? yes. You recognize this to be fusion night club? yes. PIC ADMITTED INTO EVIDECE. BAEZ OBJECTS. OBJECTION OVERRULED. PIC MAY BE PUBLISHED 14:17:30 - was she (casey) upset? no. crying? no. objection, overruled. 14:18:30 - were you talked to about what to wear? I don't know if it was by casey. and when you came to work as a shot girl on the 27th of June, casey more or less passed on what you were wearing? yes. did she give you any tips on what to wear? not directly to me. 14:19:40 -was there ever a problem that occurred? yes. tell us. there was large group of people and someone tried to grab one of the shot girls, scratching her. what did casey do? for our safety, she had us leave for the night. we spoke to her on July 15th. was this conversation in person? over the phone. prior to this conversation, were you aware she jad a daughter? no. did you know if she was in a relationship? yes. with who? anthony lazarro. 14:21:00 - we had a conversation about what she'd be diong that day. she went to her job at universal then pick up her daughter casey (on july 15th). 14:21:45 - did she call her daughter by name? no. did she tell you antying about her daughter? that her birthday was the next month and that I was invited to her birthday party? that you were invited? yes. did you see casey outside fusion? no. any subsequent phone calls? not to my knowledge? ever receive text? yes. the one I remember was the day after her mother reported her missing to cops. CROSS EXAMINATION 14:23:50 - did anything happen that had to do with caylee? no. no one saw her? no. did anything happen that night that had to do with her death? no. 14:24:45 - the casey you knew was a nice person? yes. she treated you with respect? yes. she looked out for you and the other girls? yes. was she considered a big sister? yes. she always made sure we were ok and weren't in harms way at all. 14:25:35 - casey was somewhat of a protector? yes. 14:26:00 - you have no information that helps this jury decide what happened june 16th? no. REDIRECT 14:26:30 - did she tell you her daughter was missing? no, kidnapped? no. needed help? no. did she give you any indication something was wrong? no. ERICA GONZALEZ - DARK LONG BLACK HAIR, BLACK SWEATER/BLAZER 14:29:00 - detailing work history, full time mom, education, location, working at fusion night club, shot girl. 14:30:00 - was that a nightly occurrence? it was once every friday. did you work every friday in june 2008? I believe so. OBJECTION, OVERRULED. 14:30:35- did you come into contact with casey? I did. was this at fusion? it was. did you know her beforehand? I did not. how did you meet? I met her through one of the girls at the night club. 14:31:15 - did you have the opportunity to speak with her? when I was a shot girl I spoke to her many times. 14:31:40 - she was kind of like our manager. we'd tell her what we were wearing and if anything happened, she'd protect us. 14:32:30 - did casey ever tell you what to wear? no. ever make suggestions? no. did you ever speak to casey about things outside fusion? 14:33:16 - from speaking with her did you know where she was living? no. 14:33:44 - do you know ms. realander? I do. did an incident happen that you brought to 14:34:00 - did you know she had a child? yes. how? we were in the bathroom one day and she mentioned her daughter. she was taking care of us and explained she had a daughter. did she tell you anything about her? no. how old? no. her name? no. she was missing? NO. kidnapped? no. actively looking for her? no. anything wrong with her daughter? no. anything going on with her? no. ever see anything in her behavior that would lead you to believe anything was wrong? absolutely not. THANK YOU. CROSS EXAMINATION BACK TO PROSECUTION 14:36:25 - we were talking about dinner with all the shot girls. what else? she was going to call me back so we could meet up. she never called back. said she was heading to airport to pick someone up. did she say who? no. did you learn casey's daughter was missing? yes. what did you do? I heard that night I talked to her. I texted her the next day that if she needed anything let me know. I made flyers for my job. did you get response? she said thank you and that she was worried about caylee. did she say when she saw caylee last? with the nanny. 14:38:45 - did you have any understanding that there was anyone else in car with her? I don't recall. do you recall what your phone number was? yes. may I have it? 321-439-4577. CROSS EXAMINATION 14:40:00 - you stated casey was kind to you? she was. she was nice to you? yes. she looked out for all of you? she did. she talked about her daughter in bathroom? yes. did you see casey drink or get drunk? no. do you have any info as to what may have happened to caylee? as far as? how she died. no. WITNESS EXCUSED. RECESS AT 14:41:50 Late Afternoon Session WITNESS ANTHONY LAZZARO - short dark hair, white shirt, black tie 15:09:40 - when you moved into sutton place who did you live with? cameron. just the two of you for awhile? yes. two of my friends slept on the couch. one was roy house and nathan. did they pay any rent? no, it was just a friendly gesture. 15:10:45 - talks about full sail, college schedule, school open 24-7. 15:11:20 - what was your schedule may june 2008? it wasn't consistent. morning class 9-1 then sometimes an evening lab. 15::12:09- did you receive a computer? yes, macbook pro. as part of your education did you take it upon yourself to put on either shows or do some sort of events? they wanted you to get involved with the other kids because these could be people you'd work with in the music industry. 15:13:00- during may, june 2008, did you try to set up a small business? yes. what did you do? i had experience deejaying. me and clint started our own company doing promotion. did it have a name? we had a bunch of names but it became DBC entertainment. 15:14:15 -when did you start working as deejay? we went to fusion. we met with the owner. we said hey we're deejays, we have experience, if you're interested we could do a party on a friday night. that's basically how that started. 15:15:08 - that started in june. at the same time you were taking classes? yes sir. did you own a car this time period? yes. what kind? 97 jeep grand cherokee. 15:15:50 - may 2008, did there come a time you came in contact with casey? yes sir? how did that start? I met her on facebook, we became friends. I found her through facebook, it shows people in your area, so i sent her a friend request. did she respond immediately? I don't know. 15:17:10 - first time we met in person was at my friend's birthday. his name was dan howard. this was the same time I was starting deejay company around the end of May. I was inviting a ton of people and made it a facebook event. That's when she got back to me to go to the party. 15:18:15 - while you were talking did you learn she had a child? I believe so? did you know her name? I can't recall? do you know how old she was? a toddler 15:18:48 - what were your first impressions? pretty girl. she showed up with bunch of friends. we hit it off. 15:19:20 - did you make plans to see her again? Not that night but shortly after. 15:19:45 - she would come over and show up to my apartment. how often? a couple of times. a week? more or less a couple times a week. 15:20:15- did she bring her daughter? yes. did you two stay at apt. or go out? we went to the pool. she brought her daughter over and we went down by the pool. at your apt. complex? yes sir. do you remember when? I'd say June 2nd. 15:21:06 - do you know what arden villas is? That's not ringing a bell. did you invite her to another party? I remember inviting her to a pool party. did she attend? yes. bring anyone? no. 15:22:00 - aware of her car? yes. what was she driving? white pontiac. on june 4th 2008, did you attend party for troy brown? yes. who went? me, clint and maria. when you went to that party where was it? club voyage. when you went there on the 4th of june, who drove? casey did. what car did you take? her car. was it during this time you first met caylee? yes. did you see her in any other context? yes, when we went to mall of millenia. it was a friday afternoon, I'd say the 13th. 15:24:30 - went to mall to hand out flyers for event. when you did that, was casey with you? no. did she go to mall with you? yes. she and caylee walked around the mall. did you meet up again? yes. we went to cheesecake factory and had a late lunch. how did you get to mall? I believe it was in her car. 15:25:30 - did caylee ever spend the night at your apartment? no sir. 15:25:50 - when casey dropped you off at the apartment, was that the last time you saw caylee? yes sir. 15:26:30- did you go to fusion june 13, 2008. yes sir. did casey attend? yes sir. who hires the shot girls? it was between me and clint and the other two promoters. who would instruct the shot girls? it came down to the owner. 15:27:59 - casey wanted to help out so we said you could tell the shot girls what they needed to know. did she tell them what to wear? I don't recall. 15:28:40 - she had a job at universal studios? did she tell you what she did? something with events. did she ever give you details about the job? throughout the relationship she'd talk abuot specific people. I recall a Jeff, other girls names. did she complain about the job? I can't remember specifics. She might have. see her with ID? she'd walk in apt. with universal badge. did it have pic on it? yes. 15:30;15 - her babysitter and her mother (were taking care of caylee while casey was at work). did she talk to you about the babysitter's name? at that point, zani. this was at begining of relationship? yes. tell you where zani lived? no. any relatives? no. cared for any other kids? no. ever discuss what she paid zani? I don't remember. did she ever tell you when the nanny would take care of her and when her mother would take care of her? it would be either or. 15:32:06 COUNSEL APPROACHES BENCH 10 MINUTE RECESS. 15:40:18 - testimony resumes. 15:42:17- pic of tony and casey. 15:42:30 - was that pic taken in june, 2008? yes sir. can you tell when it was taken? it'd have to be early june when I began promoting ....is that accurate representation of what you both looked like on June 13, 2008? yes sir. 15:43:43 - SIDEBAR shot of george and cindy at 15:46:10 15:48:20 - OBJECTION NOTED AND OVERRULED 15:48:41 - PIC IS PUBLISHED TO THE JURY 15:49:15 - after this showcase, did casey return to your apt? yes. did she stay over? yes. was this the first time she stayed over? I believe so yes, definitely. did there come a time after june 13 that casey began spending more time with you? yes. mid to late june. did she spend every night? yes. 15:50:45 - did you see defendant that day (June 16)? yes. what time? anywhere after 6:30-7. do you recall going to blockbuster? yes. with casey? yes. 15:51:45 - JUDGGE READS: copy of video surveillance at blockbuster are true and accurate represenation. parties have agreed to this fact. should be considered true in your deliberations. you may proceed. 15:52:40 - move DVD of video into evidence. 15:53:30- video published to jury 15:53:39 - shots of video surveillance at blockbuster being shown in court 15:54:30 - did you recognize yourself? yes, that's the marbury jersey. you have your arms around someone? who? casey. this is on june 16, 2008? yes sir. how would you describe her demeanor? the way she was every day. which was? happy ..happy to see me, having a grand old time. did she ever cry? no. act scared? no. nervous? tell you that dauther was missing? no. something wrong with her? no. something happeend to her? no. attitude any different than previous times you had seen her? no.did she stay over that night? yes sir. from there on did she stay with you? yes. 15:56:51- any toiletries for caylee? no. do you recall her talking to caylee on phone? not taht I recall. her parents? any time she talked on phone she went outside. on this night, did she call anyone? no. on june 16th,this was a new relationship? yes. did you care for her? yes. it was going well? yes. any fights? no. disagreements? no. She stayed that night, correct? yes. the following day did you spend with her? yes, I played hookey. why? didn't feel like leaving my home. you spent you day with Casey? yes. what was your phone number? i've changed it so many times, I can't remember. It was an ATT. 15:59:20 - on june 17th you play hookey? yes. what did you do? stayed in my room. any change in casey's behavior? no. did she give you any indication anything wrong? no. say antying about her daughter? no. do you recall if she ever called anyone in your presence? not in my presence. you spend the entire day and night with her june 17? yes sir. how about june 18? I went to class. what was casey doing? going to work, going to see caylee, wherever she had to go. did she tell you where she'd go? no. you understood she had a job? yes. 16:01:25 - on june 19 did you go looking for apt? yes. did you go with casey? yes. 16:01:58 -who were you planning on living with? nathan and brian. did you bring defendant? yes. did you both look at it? no. she didn't have ID on her. during this time period, where was casey living? she was living at home, she was always talking about taking the anthony's home because they were going to move out. 16:03:37 - the defendant was goin gto live with amy, either in another home or apt? yes. did she say anything about her dad? not at that time? her mother? not that I can recall at that time. Right now everything's pretty good? yes sir. 16:04:15 - by the 18th of june were you sharing any of your secrets? not that I recall. June 20th, did you go to fusion again? yes sir. another hip hop showcase? did casey go with you? yes sir. did anything different happen? yes, there was a hot body contest. promoted beforehand? I can't recall but it was a last minute decision. when you got there, were there enough to have a contest? more or less. At some point did casey particpate? yes. who asked her to participate? I wasn't present. she told me about it. any objections to it? I can't recall, I maybe hestitated for a second. 16:06:45 - since this is your showcase, what is your role? my role is to make sure nothing got out of hand. that was basically it. 16:07:55 - do you recognize that photo? yes. what is it? the hot body contest? do you recogize casey? yes. what is she wearing? a blue dress. you were present while this was going on? yes. a fair and accurate representation of contest? yes sir. MOVE INTO EVIDENCE. BAEZ OBJECTS. OVERRULED. RECEIVED INTO EVIDENCE. PUBLISHED TO JURY. 16:10:00 - any diffrence in casey's behavior? no sir. any time did she tell you caylee is missing? no sir. kidnapped? no sir. actively looking for her? no sir. ask you for help? no. she needed help? something had happened to her? no. 16:11:22- was showcase a success? yes. defendant came home with you? yes sir. June 23rd, was there a time casey told you she had run out of gas? yes sir. what time? mid to late afternoon. where you in class? I was at home. what did she tell you? she ran out of gas and needed to be picked up. did she sound scared? no. frantic? no. worried? no. I went to where she was an picked her up. 16:13:16 - did you talk to her on phone while going to meet her? yes. did she have anything with her? a backpack. had you seen it before? I can't remember. where did you go? she said she had gas at her house. had you been to her house? no. did she direct you? yes. Parked in driveway. where there any cars in driveway? no. where did you go? to her backyard. did you go into garage? yes. how did you get in? she opened it. 16:14:38 - when door opened, any cars in garage? no. did you go in anthony home? we went to back yard. did you recall being inside home? I don't recall. you went to side of house? we went to the shed. we had to open it. that;s where gas cans werre. we broke lock with tire iron from my truck. were you concerned? yes. she said it's ok it's my shed. 16:16:08 - did you break the lock? yes. how many gas cans did you take? two. what did you do with them? put them in the truck and she directed me to her car. who put gas into car? casey did. after, what did she do with cans? she put them in trunk. what kind of car? white pontiac. when she opened the trunk could you see inside? no. where did you go? back to my apt. did casey express concern with breaking into shed? no. did her mood change? no. was she ok? yes. 16:18:04 - what happened when she took a phone call? she'd go outside. 16:18:25 - did you find it odd she'd leave every time she took a phone call? yes and no. i thought it'd be a private matter with her mom. was there a change in mood? no. ever give you any details? no. did casey ever say to you I'm going to call the babysitter? yes. did she dial a phone? she'd grab phone and go outside. did she tell you about arguments with mom? I don't remember anything specific. did her mood change after talking with mom? no, not drastically. did she give you details? no, it wasn't my business. 16:20:20 - did she give you any indication about home life? after I got back from NY. Gone June 30 to 5th july. 16:21:25 - did she tell you where she was? at an amscot. where? end of goldenrod road. did you pick her up? yes. did yo get out of car? no. was she in car? outside of car. did she have anything in her hands? bags or groceries. what did she have? groceries. when she got in car, did she have anger about running out of gas? she said the car broke down and my father will look at it. 16:23:10 - what did casey say when you offered help? that her father would take care of it. after you picked her up did you go to apt.? yes. drop off groceries? yes. did you go to fashion square mall later that day? yes. 16:24:20 - COPY OF VIDEO SURVEILLANCE FROM JC PENNEY. SUBMITTED INTO EVIDENCE. PUBLISHED TO JURY. 16:25:50 - VIDEO SHOWN TO JURY AND IN COURT 16:27:17 - do you recognize yourself? yes. how about casey is she there? yes. 16:27:55 - more shots of video 16:28:57 - I take it you drove to the mall? yes sir. did you ever see that car again? no. did you buy anything at the mall? did I personally? no. June 27, did you go to fusion again? yes. another showcase? yes. did casey go with you? yes sir. 16:29:57 - do you recognize that photo? yes. who is that? myself and casey anthony. when was it taken? june 27th. 16:30:57 - is this accurate representation of what you and casey looked like on june 27th? yes. BAEZ OBJECTS. OVERRULED. RECEIVED INTO EVIDENCE. 16:31:47 - on this night, was there any change in casey's demeanor? no sir. was she upset? no sir. angry? no sir. sad? no sir. her daughter was missing? no sir. kidnapped? no sir. she needed help? no sir. 16:32:45- what date did you leave for vacation? the 30th of june. how did you get to airport? casey drove me and cameron to the airport. how did you get to airport? in my jeep. did you drive? yes. what was the plan for the car? casey was supposed to drop it off at sutton place. 16:33:48 - did you agree to let her use your car? no. did you talk abuot the status of her car? yes. her dad was supposed to take is someplace ...mechanic or dealership. her father was taking care of it. 16:34:36 - is casey in this court? yes. what is she wearing? she's wearing a blue blouse. THANK YOU YOUR HONOR. WITNESS IS SUBJECT TO RECALL. CROSS EXAMINATION. 16:35:52 - you realize casey is standing trial on a death penalty case? yes. did she talk about murders she committed? no. did she borrow duct tape? no. get any weapons? no. what about the second photo. did she talk about murdering anyone? no. murdering caylee? no. any weapons? no. borrow any knives and guns? no. borrow anything she could use to commit a murder? no. what about JC Penny. buy any duct tape? no. plastic bags? no. weapons? no. 16:39:00 -you had no issues dating a girl with a child? no. you liked caylee? yes. did casey be attentive to caylee? yes. did she neglect her? no. go without food? no. wearing dirty clothes? no. most of interaction was that she was a good mother? yes. 16:40:03 - on june 2nd you went to pool? yes. did casey discipline caylee? not that I recall. Do you recall by the pool where she raised her voice? not by the pool. do you recall that at all? no. if i show you your statement on september 18, 2008, would that help? sure. 16:42:02 - tell jury what happened? she was going near pool, didn;t want her to go near pool. what did casey do? what any mother would do, stop her from getting near the pool. did caylee enjoy the pool? yes. you saw that? yes. 16:43:15 - there was a secret she shared, right? yes. OBJECT. sustained on heresay. SIDEBAR. 16:44:30 - OBJECTION SUSTAINED. 16:45:00 - you were cooperative with law enforcement? yes sir. the only people you talked to was law enforcement? yes sir. you wouldn't speak to defense? you cooperated with their every request? yes. you allowed them to tap your phone? yes. you wore a wire? yes. 16:46:00 - you never made any statements to media? no. you never sold any photos or made money off this case? no sir. 16:46:40 - the first time casey ran out of gas, you had to break into the shed? yes. Could she have broken in? she could have. 16:47:28 - at that point, you drove to her car? yes. did she say stay away from the car? no. was she blocking you in any way? no. did she tell you to stay away? no. when she poured the gas into tank, you were standing next to her? right. how far is trunk, a few feet away? more than two feet. 16:48:51 - after she poured gas can in, she opened trunk? no. at any time did you smell any stench in that car? no sir. but I wasn't in the car. 16;51:01 - do you recall if you saw lining of trunk? no sir. baez shows him statement from october 2008. 16:51:45 - when she opened trunk, you could see liner? yes. on the edge of the car. the second time she ran out of gas, she told you she ran out of gas? yes. I said broke down meaning she ran out of gas. on the 27th of june, you came because she ran out of gas? yes. I was just offering help in general. 16:53:10 - baez wants to introduce photo after talking about hardship for lazzaro to return to testify. 17:02:15 - you can't introduce those now. read the ID numbers into the record just so we know what you're talking about. 17:03:15 - when you went to pick up casey at amscot, her car was in a parking spot, right? it was cockeyed. it was at goldenrod? where goldenrod meets colonial. 17:04:38 - you can approach witness but don't expose it to jury 17:07:50 - WE WILL COME BACK TOMORROW. RECESS FOR THE EVENING.
CASEY ANTHONY TRIAL / SWITCHED P5
FTG FOR COVERAGE OF THE CASEY ANTHONY MURDER TRIAL / DAY 2 OF TRIAL / SWITCHED POOL Early Morning Session 9:01:03 - I'm not going to have a jury waiting around as you search for files. How much time do need to search for a file? if you continue this you'll be working Sundays to. You need to put your heads together. there's be a 10 minute recess. SESSION RESUMES AT 9:14:50 - Cameron Campana called to stand - lond dark hair, wearing dark colored shirt. 9:16:11 - 2007 to 2009, almost three years. did you graduate from full sail? yes, 9:16:30 - what do you currently do? I'm a club promoter in cleveland 9;16:45- sutton place apartments, I forget which apartment number. I lived with Anthony Lazarro. It was a two bedroom, two bathroom apartment, maybe one thousand square feet. 9:18:26 - at one point you had four men living in this apartment? yes. 9:18:55 - directing your attention to May, June, 2008. can you tell me your school schedule? 9:19:54 - SIDEBAR 9:21:50- did your classes also entail working? no. after you went to classes from 1-9, you were done? yes. 9:22:34 - we started at the same time, we were on different schedules. did you have the occassion to meet casey. 9:23:04- I met her through anthony lazarro after a birthday party, May 24th or around that date. 9:23:32- she was just a regular 22 year old girl, happy, just seemed normal. just your average 22 year old. 9:24:12- the middle of June, 2008 (casey started staying with them) 9:24:30- I would see har daily once she would start staying with us. outside the apartent, 2 or 3 times. 9:24:55 - about four times maybe three (met caylee). either in lazarro's room or in lving room watching tv 9:25:33- Caylee never spent the night at the apartment. 9:25:58 - she had mentioned to us she worked for universal as an event coordinator. she would talk about her job every now and them. she had mentioned picking up tickets for a batman premeiere. she'd say work was stressing her out. she told anthony she was going to get red carpet tickets for the premeier but it never happened. 9:28:20 - she told us she was looking for an apartment with amy. had you met her? i believe once. 9:29:05 - did you ever see defendant getting ready to go to work? no. 9:29:20 - when she started living with you did you ever see caylee again? I believe once. we had asked and one time she said she was going to universal with the nanny. the other time she was going to cocoa beach for a birthday party. 9:30:03 - she said she'd talk to caylee on the phone. 9:30:21- did you ever hear her on the phone talking to her daughter? no. did you hear her talking to the nanny? no. did you ever hear her on the phone? she'd step outside and talk. she'd go out by the pond out back. when she came back to the apartment did she tell you who she was talking to? I asked her why she always went out side and she said it was her time to vent. 9:31:50- who was doing the cooking? everyone would do their part. she'd started cooking and buying groceries. 9:32:28 - it was mostly her laundry, sometimes anthony's and I think one time she did mine. she helped clean, we all helped keep it. 9:33:15- did you have a computer? yes, macbook pro. did your roomates have computer? yes. did you see the defendant with a compyuter? yes. did you see her using it? yes. Did you ever use it? no. did she ever ask to borrow your computer? no. anyone else? no. 9:34:11 - she seemed just the same, nothing had changed. she was happy. seemed excited about life. did you ever socailize outsid the apartment? one or two times. 9:34:51- have you ever heard of fusion. 9:35:55- have you ever met george or cindy anthony? no 9:36:11 - did you see any clothing that belonged to caylee? only when she brought her over. did you see it after she started living with you? not that I saw. any stuffed animals? no. 9:37:00- did she ever tell you her daughter was missing? no. that she'd been kidnapped? no. did she ever ask you for help in finding caylee? no. are you aware of an incident July 15 when the defendants mother came to your apartment? I had class and anthony told me what happened. 9:38:10 - had you ever met lee anthony before? no. what did you tell him? I was sorry about what had happened. how did he seem? he seemed calm but at the same time he was worried. he came and picked up a bag of clothes casey had in anthony's room. did you have any contact with defendant after that night? no. lee anthony? no. 9:39;15 - NO FURTHER QUESTIONS, CROSS EXAMINATION BEGINS 9:39:36- were you in casey's home, June, 2008, when caylee drowned? no. end of questions. NEXT WITNESS - NATHAN LEZNIEWICZ - buzz cut, tan shirt 9:41:28 - Nathan Lezniewicz called to stand 94:2:33 - lived in Orlando, going to full sail university for audio engineering. attended for a year and half. attained no degree. currently in band in Vero Beach, also played in bands while attending full sail. 9:43:40 - first started living with Tony Lazarro at end of May 2008. slept on couch, planned on staying for about a month once lease ended 9:44:30 - school schedule for month of June was 9-5. no work outside of school at time. left town a lot. 9:45:08 - how did you first meet Casey Anthony? the drummer of my band, Daniel Howard, had a birthday party which is where Tony and Casey first met. She seemed like a normal 22 year old girl. She was outgoing. 9:46:04 - where did you first meet Caylee? at my apartment 9:46:39 - did she ever spend the night? did casey or caylee ever spend the night? no sir. did there ever come a time she stayed every day? when? third and fourth week of june her staying over picked up quite a bit. 9:47:25 - did she every tell you about her employment? she said she was employed at universal. did you ever see ID badge? no sir. did she ever talk about her work? once in a while. The only thing she talkd about a batman premiere. 9:48:30 - did she ever complain about her work? no sir 9:48:45 - while you were getting ready for school, was she getting ready for work? she was getting ready also and I assumed that's where she was going. 9:49:22- did you spend time alone with her? yes sir. what did you do? hang out, watch tv. was Tony's other roommate, from Ft. Pierce, was in a band, travelled a 9:45:18 - first met casey when drummer in his band had a bday party. Casey was there. That's where tony met her. 9:45:44 - she seemed like a normal girl 9:51:10 - typically she was with the nanny, out doing things. was there anything about casey's demeanor that made you qeustion what she was telling you? no sir. 9:51:50- did she tell you about her parents? not much. when she had a conversation with her parents, she'd leave the apartment because she didn't want us to hear them. did you ever hear here speaking to her daughter? no sir. the nanny? no sir. 9:52:53- did you ever get near car? no sir. did she tell you she was having car trouble? just one morning when she broke down near the amscot. 9:53:40 - what did she do while in the apartment? did she cook? yes. did she clean? yes. did she do the laundry? no, not mine. where did you socialize? fusion nightclub, mostly friday evenings. were there any things going on friday nights? 9:54:44 - how many times were you at fusion with casey? two or three times maybe. 9:56:20 - pic of casey with NATHAN 9:56:40- when you were at fusion did she participate in a contest? yes. what was that contest? a hot body contest. 9:57:30- where was that photo taken? at fusion. was this during June, 2008? yes sir. BAEZ ASKS FOR SIDEBAR, JUDGE SAYS Not at this point. 9:58:16 - photo admitted into evidence. 9:58:34 - SIDEBAR AGAIN. 10:02:58 - JUDGE ALLOWS PHOTO TO BE PUBLISHED TO JURY 10:03:20 - she always seemed like she was having a good time. she's an outgoing personality. at any time she was living with you, did you ever see her distraught? no sir. depressed? no sir. scared? no sir. angry? no sir. did she ever tell you her daughter was missing? no sir. her daughter was kidnapped? no sir. did she ever ask for help in trying to find her? no sir. 10:05:03 - during this time period, was there anything about her demeanor that gave you concern? no sir. when there was a knock on the door, there was a blond girl there I didn't recognize. casey stepped outside and closed the door. she came back inside with her mother and amy huizinga. did you see casey come back after she left with the blond gir? yes. what happened? she was in an argument with cindy and cindy told her to get her stuff and go. did she go outside? yes sir. did she come back? no. did you ever see her again? no. did you speak with her on the phone. no sir. 10:06:51 - we were confused. we didn't know what was going on. we thought it was just something between her, her mother and roommmate. 10:07:30 - lee felt bad for us and said his sister was known to get into trouble ...objection, sustained. 10:08:12- were you visited by law enforcement? yes. how many times? twice. 100900 - did law enforcement question you about amy? no. how long were they there? about five minutes, just enough to collect cell phone. 10:09:46 - what did police do the second time? they searched the apartment. how long where they there? maybe 20-25 minutes. did they take items with them? I do not recall. 10:10:15 =- did you see any clothing belonging to caylee? no sir. any stuffed animals? no sir. NO FURTHER QUESTIONS CROSS EXAMINATION 10:11:12 - you saw caylee how many times? two to three. did she look hungry? no. well fed? yes. did casey seem attentive? yes. 10:12:10 - looking back at casey's behavior, there was no indication that caylee was dead? no sir. there was no signs in any way shape or form? no sir. 10:13:07 - she didn't park 50 yards away where no other cars were parked? no sir. I have no further questions. 10:13:30 - were you present on june 2008 when caylee drowned in the pool? no sir. SIR YOU MAY STAND DOWN. BREAK Late Morning Session TESTIMONY RESUMES AT 10:36:09 STATE CALLS ROY HAUSE GOES BY CLINT - short dark hair, blue button down. 10:39:04 - where do you live? jacksonville, sir. was there a time you lived in orlando? yes sir. when? 2007-2009. what were you studying there? recording arts to engineer and produce music. how long were you there? 10 months. did you get a degree? no. 10:39:56 - where did you live? with tony and cam. what time period in 2008? I was only there a few months. I moved in the end of April and moved out June, 2008. 10:40:43- do you recall during that time period you were at school? I'd be there from 1am to 5am, sometimes 1pm to 5pm. 10:41:20 - did you meet casey? yes I did. do you recall where? tony and I met her at a party. 10:41:56 - she seemed like a fun party girl who'd get along with our group of friends. 10:42:30 - did you ever meet caylee? yes. where? at the sutton place apartments. how many times? four or five times. did caylee ever stayed over? no she never stayed over? did there come a times casey started staying full time? yes. when? middle of June she started spending most of the nights there. did you mind? no, not at all? was this a big apartment? no, we were all kind of crammed in there. 10:43:55 - did casey ever tell you about her employment? she said she worked at universal. did you ever see credentials? no. did she complain about it? no. 10:44:41 - she didn't talk about her work all that much. 10:44:55- when she started staying full time, did you ever see caylee? when she started aying on regular basis we stopped seeing caylee. did you ask her about caylee? yes. she said she was with the nanny. did she indicate nanny was local? yes. did she indicate caylee was anywhere but orlando? no. did it seem odd child was always with nanny. objection. did you question her about where caylee was? i asked her where caylee was and she said she was with the nanny. was there any concern in her voice? no. did she appear worried about where caylee was? no. did she seem sad about not seeing her? her demeanor never changed. 10:47:10 - did you also had a laptop? yes. did casey have a laptop? yes. what kind? hp. did you ever use her computer? no. did she ever use yours? no. did she ever use anyone's but her own? no. while she was staying with you, were you ever present when she spoke on the phone? yes. to whom was she speaking? she'd always walk outside and was either on phone with nanny or her mother. was there any change in her demeanor? no. did she appear nervous? no sir. scared? no sir. 10:48:52- did you see her on daily basis at this time? yes. where did you recall going with her? every friday night we had our own promotional night at fusion and she'd come every friday. she'd try to help us bring people out. when you say she helped bring people out, what do you mean? because she was tony's girlfriend, she'd tell her friends to come out using facebook, myspace, texts. 10:50:29 - none of her friends ever came. 10:50:40 - did casey participate in those events? yes. what role did she play? she was in a couple contests I hosted. she was in a hot body contest, she would mingle with the crowd. 10:51:40 - did casey have anything to do with selecting shot girls? no. did she have anything to do with how they dressed? she'd give them some tidbits but I was telling the girls what they needed to wear. she would say maybe they should wear these shorts with this shot. 10:52:55- do you know a woman by the name of marie kish? yes. did she attend any of the nights at fusion? yes she did. DEFENSE CONFERS, NOW A SIDEBAR. 10:59:50 - SHOT OF GEORGE AND CINDY IN COURTROOM. 11:04:00 - testimony resumes 11:04:11 - what was her demeanor at fusion? she was partying and having a good time. did she seem upset about anything? no. did she seem happy? yes. 11:04:58 - they both seemed happy with each other. she'd come over and cook dinner for everybody. tony seemed happy and so did she. did you see casey and tony fight? no. did you ever notice casey sad? no. angry? no. depressed? no. withdrawn? no. she was still same. 11:06:08 - were you home July 15? no, I moved out. moved out two weeks before that. 11:07:20 - did you have any further contact with casey? no. did she ever tell you her daughter was kidnapped? no. was she worried about her? no. she needed help? no. NO FURTHER QUESTIONS 11:08:36 - the extent you know casey is a month and a half? yes. and you saw caylee how many times? four or five times. did she have backpack? yes. she would have toys, flashcards with shaped and colors. what other learning tools did you see casey teach caylee. never saw any other learning tools. she did have some dvds she brought over. in this bag you'd see diapers, other snacks? yes sir. did you see caylee malnourished? no sir. neglected? no sir. see casey strike caylee? no sir. treat caylee as a burden? no. would you say she was a good mother? yes I would. 11:10:55 - did you ever seen them go out to the pool? no. were you aware that tony lazarro casey and caylee went to pool on june 2nd? yes. who else was there? no one but them. 11:1:44- you weren't keeping a close eye on casey's computer at any time? no sir. 11:13:30- discussion about fusion, what it is, sushi bar, etc. 11:14:17 - this business with shot girls, that's part of your ambiance? yes. casey wasn't a shot girl, was she? no sir. she volunteered to manage these girls? she wasn't managing anybody. that was me and tony. this was while she was staying with you, rent free? yes. part of pulling her weight helping you financially? yes. cooking? yes. cleaning? yes. trash? no, that was us guys. 11:16:00- casey was a friendly girl? yes. she cared about people? yes. she cared about you? yes. you saw her caring for her child? yes. you found out caylee was dead during that time period? yes, i have. you noticed no change in her behavior from the time period she was a loving and caring mother up until the time caylee was deceased? never saw one change in her. 11:17:00 WITNESS EXCUSED 11:18:30 - MARIA KISSH - LONG DARK HAIR, GRAY BLAZER, BLUE BLOUSE. 11:19:20 - she describes who she is, her job in retail sales, educational background at UF, majored in political science, 2007. employed in 2008. working for man running for county office. paying job. had position in may, june 2008. 11:22:00 - I was introduced through clint. had you already known tony? yes. had you known nathan? yes. you knew all these people but casey was a new person you met? yes. did you meet her daughter? no. at some point did you meet caylee? yes. where? at tony's apartment. what do you recall about meeting her? caylee answered the door by herself. had you seen her before? no sir. did you ask her who she was? I knew who she was and said hi, how are you. when you walking in did you see casey? no. at some point did you see her? I did. where from? tony's room. how much time did you spend with caylee? not long, a half hour. 11:24:20 - was casey anywhere around? I saw her come out of the room for a minute and then she went back into tony's room. 11:24:55 - I ended up sitting on balcony and caylee was out there as well. clint got me and said he was ready to go. I felt uncomfortable. why? I didn't want to leave caylee alone. was it (balcony) screened? yes, it was. OBJECTION. APPROACH. 11:26:27 - SHOT OF GEORGE ANTHONY 11:28:30 - SHOT OF CASEY TALKING WITH FEMALE ATTORNEY 11:30:14 - SHOT OF EVIDENCE, FILES, FILE BOXES 11:33:10 - testimony continues 11:33:23 - right around that time, tony caylee and casey were going to leave as well. so casey and tony came out and casey told caylee to get her shoes on because it was time to leave. that was about it. I saw caylee struggling to put on her shoes and socks so i helped her put on her shoes. was caylee verbal with you? yes. she was. was the plan for all of you to go out together? no. 11:35:10 - after that visit, did you see caylee again? yes sir. how often were you at your boyfriend's? 2 to 3 times a week. did you stay the night? a couple times. when you were there, did you recall a time casey was there? I do. all the time? yes. how did you become aware of that. I talked to clint and he would tell me casey's been there all day. OBJECTION. sustained. 11:36:22- was the defendant there? yes. when you stayed for dinner was she there? yes. how would you describe relationship with casey? we saw each other several times because tony and clint would be together. we didn't have a friendship but it was an acquaintance. 11:37:18 - she said she worked for univeral as an event planner. any other details? no sir. ever tell you her hours? not that i can remember. ever see any ID from universal? no sir. did you question if she workd at universal? no sir. 11:38:10 - spend time with casey outside apartment? yes. what kinds of things? going out at night to bar or club and grabbing a bite to eat. did you see casey and tony together? yes. what were your observations on them as couple? OBJECTION, opinion, overruled. 11:39:08 - They got along well, it seemd to be beneficial for tony. did they appear to like each other? I believe so. 11:39:40 - did you ever see them argue? no. do you know what fusion is? yes. what is it? restaurant slash night club. were you at fusion with boyfriend and casey? yes sir. how many times? one time. 11:40:30 - I went to fusion with casey on June 20th. how do you remember? it was a friday and there was a hot body contest that night. 11:41:10 - what do you recall about hot body contest. objection. sustained. did you witness it? yes sir. did defendant participate? yes sir. what was defendant wearing during contest? she was wearing thin knit dress, blueish color. 11:42:34 - pic of casey and nathan 11:43:00 - based on outfit she appears to be wearing, is this an accurate representation of what she was wearing on june 20, 2008. yes. did you participate? no sir. PIC REPUBLISHED TO JURY 11:44:00 - do you recall any role other than being in hot body contest? yes. what was her role? she was in charge of the shot girls. did you see her interacting with them? i did. did you hear her telling them what they were supposed to do? i did. did you hear her discussing their attire? i can't remember. was there anyting about casey's demeanor that alarmed you? no. did she appear angry or upset? no sir. 11:45:20 - where did you stay that night? at the apartment. did you see casey next morning? yes, in kitchen in the morning. did you have a discussion? yes. I asked her where caylee was. she said she was spending weekend at the beach with the nanny. did she give you nanny's name? no. she told me she paid the nanny 400 dollars a week. 11:46:40 - did you ask casey about caylee's dad? APPROACH OBJECTION OVERRULED 11:48:40- what did casey tell you about caylee's dad? she told me he was deceased. 11:49:20 - what did she tell you her living situation was? that she was going to move into her parent's house and they were giving the house to her and caylee. when? didn't give an exact time, within the next couple of months. did casey ever tell you her daughter was missing? no. kidnapped? no. out looking for her? no. asked for help? no. 11:50:15 - did you ride in her car? yes. when? can't remember exact date. it was while she was staying with them, cling and tony. when you were in the car, who were you with? I was with casey, tony and clint. THANK YOU. CROSS EXAMINATION. 11:51;10 - where did you go in the car? to get something to eat. when you sat in back seat did you smell odor? no sir. clint was in backseat? yes. did he say anything? no sir. did tony say anything? no sir. 11:52:30 - you didn't like her being at house? it didn't bother me. your boyfriend lived at house? correct. and casey was at the same house? correct. it struck you odd she was there all the time? yes sir. you would call your boyfriend when she was there? yes. that didn't bother you? no, it never bothered me at all. END OF QUESTIONING around 11:50am Early Afternoon Session 13:14:12 - defense claims the testimony to the shovel is not relevant. says the shovel is misleading, not related nor tied to the offense. we present motion to exclude mention of shovel 13:16:36 - DENIED - just because you're not contesting does not alleviate state's obligation to prove something. anything else before we bring jury back in. BAEZ - objects again. 13:17:34 - discussion of audio problems. 13:20:11 - JURY RETURNS 13:21:15 STATE CALLS BRIAN BURNER - neighbor with shovel. heavy-set man with blue button down shirt, dark hair. 13:22:08 - do you know george and cindy? I do. how do you know them? neighbors. They are your next door neighbors? correct. when did you move into your home? 2005. when you moved in where the anthonys already living there? yes. was casey living there? yes. Lee? I don't recall. how would you describe your relationship with the anthonys? cordial neighbors. did they go to your house for dinner? no. you to theirs? no. 13:24:04 - are any of your children friends with casey or lee? no. 13:24:20 - week of june 16, 2008. were you in your home at that time? yes. did you take a vacation? I did. June 2008? yes. when did you return home? evening of the 16th. you were home on June 17th? yes. did you see casey? I saw casey's vehicle. it was backing into the garage. had you seen casey drive that car before? yes. did anyone else drive it during this time period? no. 12:26:00 - was car into garage or driveway? into the garage. I could see the front end of garage from our window. Did that seem strange? no. have you seen the car backed into the driveway before? not until that day. do you know how long car was there? no. were you home on the 18th? i was doing yardwork outside. was anyone else outside? no. 13:27:15 - did you see casey? she approached me later in the afternoon? when? around 1:30. why did she approach you? she said she wanted to borrow a shovel to dig up a bamboo root. 13:28:20 - pic of shovel 13:28:30 - is that the shovel you lent to casey? yes. OBJECTION OVERRULED AND IT WILL BE RECEIVED INTO EVIDENCE. 13:29:38 - did you see where she came from? no. had she ever asked to borrow anything before? no. did you have a problem with it? no. I walked around to the shed and gave her the shovel. 13:30:29 - did you see her walking into her home? only into the garage. 13:31:00 - while you were cleaning up did you see casey? no. I put equipment in shed then to see if casey was finished. I then went back into the house. I told my son casey borrowed the shovel and if she knocked on the door to take the shovel from her. 13:31:48 - did you get your shovel back? I did. she knocked on the door an hour after I gave her the shovel. did you notice anything different? no. what did you do? I opened garage door and set it in the garage. did you see defendant leave? no. did you see her white car? where? it was back into the garage. 13:32:50 - did you see casey car again that week? one other time. When? either 19 or 20th. 13:33:45 - did you see car pull into the driveway? the car backed in. did you see anything else? no. do you know how long car stayed there? no. 13:34:25 - other than those three instances in June 2008, did you have contact with casey? no. did you have contact with george? one time ...in July. 13:34:55 - when police arrived, did you go outside? no. did you talk to george? no. Cindy? no. when you saw casey on June 18, 2008, did she tell you her daughter was missing? no. kidnapped? no. that she was looking for her? no. did she tell you anything was wrong with her daughter? no. was she upset? no. sad? no. angry? no. just normal. 13:36:40 - THANK YOU SIR. CROSS EXAMINATION 13:37:03 - you fist gave a statement to law enforce. on July 17, 2008, right when media attention began? yes. you saw police cars next door on the 16th? I believe so. do you recall you gave a statement July 17? it was a Thursday. 13:38:10 - when you spoke with them, you told them you didn't know the date casey had borrowed the shovel but knew it was the week of the 16th? correct. you were called into sheriff's on June 30th? yes. you met with corporal edwards? yes. you then spoke with him a while? correct. that's when you started giving them dates? yes. do you recall if edwards asked you to close your eyes to remember because this was important? yes. did edwards tell you that as time passes you start to remember things. would you agree? to some extent. after you closed your eyes, that's when the dates became clear? no. that's when you told him the dates? no. you're saying as time passed you could recall the dates? correct. 12:41:00 - you wouldn't make it a habit to see how she parked her car? no. you're just the average neighbor? yes. you wouldn't consider yourself a nosy neighbor? no. you wouldn't notice how she parks her car every day? correct. 13:41:50 - when she gave you shovel back it wasn't muddy? no. she didn't look sweaty or digging a ditch? not that I recall. 13:42:30 - you can't offer us anything more than speculation about what she did with shovel? yes. NO FURTHER QUESTIONS REDIRECT 13:43:20 - do you recall telling him you saw a pickup? yes, wasn't sure of the vehicle. what do you recall about the incident? that was the monday the gas cans were taken. I looked out window and saw casey and thought nothing of it. 13:44:00 - where did you see casey? in the driveway. could you hear them speaking? no. there was casey and a man? correct. 13:44:33 - do you recall any other car in driveway? no. in garage? no. 13:45:27 - did you see casey drive away? no. did you hear any noises? no. 13:46:00 - was the white car there? no. RECROSS EXAMINATION 13:46:35 - when you started talking about them it was a month later after they occurred? correct. it's tough to recall everything a month prior? correct. no one told you on that day you should be looking for a certain car? correct. 13:48:35 - the anthony family home would be towards the right? correct. 13:49:03 - the date ...CAN I HAVE JUST A MOMENT? 13:49:35 - you didn't see the male? I saw casey and I saw the male first. any time you saw cars, you never saw anyone driving them? no. any time you saw casey's car you didn't see who was driving? correct. this shovel was then turned into fbi? I believe so. after you made that statement, there were media trucks outside your home? yes. for how long? months. STATE OBJECTS TO RELEVANCE. sustained 13:51:15 - you told mr george casey seemed normal? correct. WITHDRAWN WITNESS EXCUSED. RECESS ? 13:55:55 - shots of EVIDENCE BAGS 13:57:05 - MORE SHOTS OF EVIDENCE BAGS Late Afternoon Session 14:06:58 - testimony resumes JAMIE REALANDER - DARK, RED HAIR, BEIGE SWEATER, RED/ORANGE TOP 14:09:10 - detailing where she went to school and where she was working, rosen hotels, working with golf club at shingle creek. 14:10:11 - how did you first meet casey? I met her through a friend at fusion night club. 14:10:40 - who introduced you to casey? I believe it was my friend jenna prentice. who is she? just a friend at the time. was she an employee at fusion? not at that time? how was casey's demeanor? she was happy, seemd like a nice person to be friends with. was this may 2008? yes. was anything odd or out of place? no. 14:11:53- were you employed at some point at fusion? yes. as what? a shot girl. 14;13:10- directing your attention to june 20, 2008, were you a shot girl? no. june 13th? no. june 27th? yes. did you see casey? yes. what was your understanding of her role? she was the one we'd go to with questions. questions such as? where to be stationed, where to go for information. 14:14:15 - did you attend fusion on June 20, not as a shot girl? yes. do you recall a hot body contest? yes. 14:53:52 - do you see photo on monitor? yes. do you recognize yourself? yes. circle where you are. 14:15:19 - pic at FUSION. do you recognize casey? yes. what is she wearing? a blue dress. 14:15:45 - he circles her dress/pic 14:16:00 - anything out of the ordinary you recall from conversations with casey? no. 14:16:25 - is this pic a fair representation of what you and casey looked like on june 20, 2008? yes. You recognize this to be fusion night club? yes. PIC ADMITTED INTO EVIDECE. BAEZ OBJECTS. OBJECTION OVERRULED. PIC MAY BE PUBLISHED 14:17:30 - was she (casey) upset? no. crying? no. objection, overruled. 14:18:30 - were you talked to about what to wear? I don't know if it was by casey. and when you came to work as a shot girl on the 27th of June, casey more or less passed on what you were wearing? yes. did she give you any tips on what to wear? not directly to me. 14:19:40 -was there ever a problem that occurred? yes. tell us. there was large group of people and someone tried to grab one of the shot girls, scratching her. what did casey do? for our safety, she had us leave for the night. we spoke to her on July 15th. was this conversation in person? over the phone. prior to this conversation, were you aware she jad a daughter? no. did you know if she was in a relationship? yes. with who? anthony lazarro. 14:21:00 - we had a conversation about what she'd be diong that day. she went to her job at universal then pick up her daughter casey (on july 15th). 14:21:45 - did she call her daughter by name? no. did she tell you antying about her daughter? that her birthday was the next month and that I was invited to her birthday party? that you were invited? yes. did you see casey outside fusion? no. any subsequent phone calls? not to my knowledge? ever receive text? yes. the one I remember was the day after her mother reported her missing to cops. CROSS EXAMINATION 14:23:50 - did anything happen that had to do with caylee? no. no one saw her? no. did anything happen that night that had to do with her death? no. 14:24:45 - the casey you knew was a nice person? yes. she treated you with respect? yes. she looked out for you and the other girls? yes. was she considered a big sister? yes. she always made sure we were ok and weren't in harms way at all. 14:25:35 - casey was somewhat of a protector? yes. 14:26:00 - you have no information that helps this jury decide what happened june 16th? no. REDIRECT 14:26:30 - did she tell you her daughter was missing? no, kidnapped? no. needed help? no. did she give you any indication something was wrong? no. ERICA GONZALEZ - DARK LONG BLACK HAIR, BLACK SWEATER/BLAZER 14:29:00 - detailing work history, full time mom, education, location, working at fusion night club, shot girl. 14:30:00 - was that a nightly occurrence? it was once every friday. did you work every friday in june 2008? I believe so. OBJECTION, OVERRULED. 14:30:35- did you come into contact with casey? I did. was this at fusion? it was. did you know her beforehand? I did not. how did you meet? I met her through one of the girls at the night club. 14:31:15 - did you have the opportunity to speak with her? when I was a shot girl I spoke to her many times. 14:31:40 - she was kind of like our manager. we'd tell her what we were wearing and if anything happened, she'd protect us. 14:32:30 - did casey ever tell you what to wear? no. ever make suggestions? no. did you ever speak to casey about things outside fusion? 14:33:16 - from speaking with her did you know where she was living? no. 14:33:44 - do you know ms. realander? I do. did an incident happen that you brought to 14:34:00 - did you know she had a child? yes. how? we were in the bathroom one day and she mentioned her daughter. she was taking care of us and explained she had a daughter. did she tell you anything about her? no. how old? no. her name? no. she was missing? NO. kidnapped? no. actively looking for her? no. anything wrong with her daughter? no. anything going on with her? no. ever see anything in her behavior that would lead you to believe anything was wrong? absolutely not. THANK YOU. CROSS EXAMINATION BACK TO PROSECUTION 14:36:25 - we were talking about dinner with all the shot girls. what else? she was going to call me back so we could meet up. she never called back. said she was heading to airport to pick someone up. did she say who? no. did you learn casey's daughter was missing? yes. what did you do? I heard that night I talked to her. I texted her the next day that if she needed anything let me know. I made flyers for my job. did you get response? she said thank you and that she was worried about caylee. did she say when she saw caylee last? with the nanny. 14:38:45 - did you have any understanding that there was anyone else in car with her? I don't recall. do you recall what your phone number was? yes. may I have it? 321-439-4577. CROSS EXAMINATION 14:40:00 - you stated casey was kind to you? she was. she was nice to you? yes. she looked out for all of you? she did. she talked about her daughter in bathroom? yes. did you see casey drink or get drunk? no. do you have any info as to what may have happened to caylee? as far as? how she died. no. WITNESS EXCUSED. RECESS AT 14:41:50 Late Afternoon Session WITNESS ANTHONY LAZZARO - short dark hair, white shirt, black tie 15:09:40 - when you moved into sutton place who did you live with? cameron. just the two of you for awhile? yes. two of my friends slept on the couch. one was roy house and nathan. did they pay any rent? no, it was just a friendly gesture. 15:10:45 - talks about full sail, college schedule, school open 24-7. 15:11:20 - what was your schedule may june 2008? it wasn't consistent. morning class 9-1 then sometimes an evening lab. 15::12:09- did you receive a computer? yes, macbook pro. as part of your education did you take it upon yourself to put on either shows or do some sort of events? they wanted you to get involved with the other kids because these could be people you'd work with in the music industry. 15:13:00- during may, june 2008, did you try to set up a small business? yes. what did you do? i had experience deejaying. me and clint started our own company doing promotion. did it have a name? we had a bunch of names but it became DBC entertainment. 15:14:15 -when did you start working as deejay? we went to fusion. we met with the owner. we said hey we're deejays, we have experience, if you're interested we could do a party on a friday night. that's basically how that started. 15:15:08 - that started in june. at the same time you were taking classes? yes sir. did you own a car this time period? yes. what kind? 97 jeep grand cherokee. 15:15:50 - may 2008, did there come a time you came in contact with casey? yes sir? how did that start? I met her on facebook, we became friends. I found her through facebook, it shows people in your area, so i sent her a friend request. did she respond immediately? I don't know. 15:17:10 - first time we met in person was at my friend's birthday. his name was dan howard. this was the same time I was starting deejay company around the end of May. I was inviting a ton of people and made it a facebook event. That's when she got back to me to go to the party. 15:18:15 - while you were talking did you learn she had a child? I believe so? did you know her name? I can't recall? do you know how old she was? a toddler 15:18:48 - what were your first impressions? pretty girl. she showed up with bunch of friends. we hit it off. 15:19:20 - did you make plans to see her again? Not that night but shortly after. 15:19:45 - she would come over and show up to my apartment. how often? a couple of times. a week? more or less a couple times a week. 15:20:15- did she bring her daughter? yes. did you two stay at apt. or go out? we went to the pool. she brought her daughter over and we went down by the pool. at your apt. complex? yes sir. do you remember when? I'd say June 2nd. 15:21:06 - do you know what arden villas is? That's not ringing a bell. did you invite her to another party? I remember inviting her to a pool party. did she attend? yes. bring anyone? no. 15:22:00 - aware of her car? yes. what was she driving? white pontiac. on june 4th 2008, did you attend party for troy brown? yes. who went? me, clint and maria. when you went to that party where was it? club voyage. when you went there on the 4th of june, who drove? casey did. what car did you take? her car. was it during this time you first met caylee? yes. did you see her in any other context? yes, when we went to mall of millenia. it was a friday afternoon, I'd say the 13th. 15:24:30 - went to mall to hand out flyers for event. when you did that, was casey with you? no. did she go to mall with you? yes. she and caylee walked around the mall. did you meet up again? yes. we went to cheesecake factory and had a late lunch. how did you get to mall? I believe it was in her car. 15:25:30 - did caylee ever spend the night at your apartment? no sir. 15:25:50 - when casey dropped you off at the apartment, was that the last time you saw caylee? yes sir. 15:26:30- did you go to fusion june 13, 2008. yes sir. did casey attend? yes sir. who hires the shot girls? it was between me and clint and the other two promoters. who would instruct the shot girls? it came down to the owner. 15:27:59 - casey wanted to help out so we said you could tell the shot girls what they needed to know. did she tell them what to wear? I don't recall. 15:28:40 - she had a job at universal studios? did she tell you what she did? something with events. did she ever give you details about the job? throughout the relationship she'd talk abuot specific people. I recall a Jeff, other girls names. did she complain about the job? I can't remember specifics. She might have. see her with ID? she'd walk in apt. with universal badge. did it have pic on it? yes. 15:30;15 - her babysitter and her mother (were taking care of caylee while casey was at work). did she talk to you about the babysitter's name? at that point, zani. this was at begining of relationship? yes. tell you where zani lived? no. any relatives? no. cared for any other kids? no. ever discuss what she paid zani? I don't remember. did she ever tell you when the nanny would take care of her and when her mother would take care of her? it would be either or. 15:32:06 COUNSEL APPROACHES BENCH 10 MINUTE RECESS. 15:40:18 - testimony resumes. 15:42:17- pic of tony and casey. 15:42:30 - was that pic taken in june, 2008? yes sir. can you tell when it was taken? it'd have to be early june when I began promoting ....is that accurate representation of what you both looked like on June 13, 2008? yes sir. 15:43:43 - SIDEBAR shot of george and cindy at 15:46:10 15:48:20 - OBJECTION NOTED AND OVERRULED 15:48:41 - PIC IS PUBLISHED TO THE JURY 15:49:15 - after this showcase, did casey return to your apt? yes. did she stay over? yes. was this the first time she stayed over? I believe so yes, definitely. did there come a time after june 13 that casey began spending more time with you? yes. mid to late june. did she spend every night? yes. 15:50:45 - did you see defendant that day (June 16)? yes. what time? anywhere after 6:30-7. do you recall going to blockbuster? yes. with casey? yes. 15:51:45 - JUDGGE READS: copy of video surveillance at blockbuster are true and accurate represenation. parties have agreed to this fact. should be considered true in your deliberations. you may proceed. 15:52:40 - move DVD of video into evidence. 15:53:30- video published to jury 15:53:39 - shots of video surveillance at blockbuster being shown in court 15:54:30 - did you recognize yourself? yes, that's the marbury jersey. you have your arms around someone? who? casey. this is on june 16, 2008? yes sir. how would you describe her demeanor? the way she was every day. which was? happy ..happy to see me, having a grand old time. did she ever cry? no. act scared? no. nervous? tell you that dauther was missing? no. something wrong with her? no. something happeend to her? no. attitude any different than previous times you had seen her? no.did she stay over that night? yes sir. from there on did she stay with you? yes. 15:56:51- any toiletries for caylee? no. do you recall her talking to caylee on phone? not taht I recall. her parents? any time she talked on phone she went outside. on this night, did she call anyone? no. on june 16th,this was a new relationship? yes. did you care for her? yes. it was going well? yes. any fights? no. disagreements? no. She stayed that night, correct? yes. the following day did you spend with her? yes, I played hookey. why? didn't feel like leaving my home. you spent you day with Casey? yes. what was your phone number? i've changed it so many times, I can't remember. It was an ATT. 15:59:20 - on june 17th you play hookey? yes. what did you do? stayed in my room. any change in casey's behavior? no. did she give you any indication anything wrong? no. say antying about her daughter? no. do you recall if she ever called anyone in your presence? not in my presence. you spend the entire day and night with her june 17? yes sir. how about june 18? I went to class. what was casey doing? going to work, going to see caylee, wherever she had to go. did she tell you where she'd go? no. you understood she had a job? yes. 16:01:25 - on june 19 did you go looking for apt? yes. did you go with casey? yes. 16:01:58 -who were you planning on living with? nathan and brian. did you bring defendant? yes. did you both look at it? no. she didn't have ID on her. during this time period, where was casey living? she was living at home, she was always talking about taking the anthony's home because they were going to move out. 16:03:37 - the defendant was goin gto live with amy, either in another home or apt? yes. did she say anything about her dad? not at that time? her mother? not that I can recall at that time. Right now everything's pretty good? yes sir. 16:04:15 - by the 18th of june were you sharing any of your secrets? not that I recall. June 20th, did you go to fusion again? yes sir. another hip hop showcase? did casey go with you? yes sir. did anything different happen? yes, there was a hot body contest. promoted beforehand? I can't recall but it was a last minute decision. when you got there, were there enough to have a contest? more or less. At some point did casey particpate? yes. who asked her to participate? I wasn't present. she told me about it. any objections to it? I can't recall, I maybe hestitated for a second. 16:06:45 - since this is your showcase, what is your role? my role is to make sure nothing got out of hand. that was basically it. 16:07:55 - do you recognize that photo? yes. what is it? the hot body contest? do you recogize casey? yes. what is she wearing? a blue dress. you were present while this was going on? yes. a fair and accurate representation of contest? yes sir. MOVE INTO EVIDENCE. BAEZ OBJECTS. OVERRULED. RECEIVED INTO EVIDENCE. PUBLISHED TO JURY. 16:10:00 - any diffrence in casey's behavior? no sir. any time did she tell you caylee is missing? no sir. kidnapped? no sir. actively looking for her? no sir. ask you for help? no. she needed help? something had happened to her? no. 16:11:22- was showcase a success? yes. defendant came home with you? yes sir. June 23rd, was there a time casey told you she had run out of gas? yes sir. what time? mid to late afternoon. where you in class? I was at home. what did she tell you? she ran out of gas and needed to be picked up. did she sound scared? no. frantic? no. worried? no. I went to where she was an picked her up. 16:13:16 - did you talk to her on phone while going to meet her? yes. did she have anything with her? a backpack. had you seen it before? I can't remember. where did you go? she said she had gas at her house. had you been to her house? no. did she direct you? yes. Parked in driveway. where there any cars in driveway? no. where did you go? to her backyard. did you go into garage? yes. how did you get in? she opened it. 16:14:38 - when door opened, any cars in garage? no. did you go in anthony home? we went to back yard. did you recall being inside home? I don't recall. you went to side of house? we went to the shed. we had to open it. that;s where gas cans werre. we broke lock with tire iron from my truck. were you concerned? yes. she said it's ok it's my shed. 16:16:08 - did you break the lock? yes. how many gas cans did you take? two. what did you do with them? put them in the truck and she directed me to her car. who put gas into car? casey did. after, what did she do with cans? she put them in trunk. what kind of car? white pontiac. when she opened the trunk could you see inside? no. where did you go? back to my apt. did casey express concern with breaking into shed? no. did her mood change? no. was she ok? yes. 16:18:04 - what happened when she took a phone call? she'd go outside. 16:18:25 - did you find it odd she'd leave every time she took a phone call? yes and no. i thought it'd be a private matter with her mom. was there a change in mood? no. ever give you any details? no. did casey ever say to you I'm going to call the babysitter? yes. did she dial a phone? she'd grab phone and go outside. did she tell you about arguments with mom? I don't remember anything specific. did her mood change after talking with mom? no, not drastically. did she give you details? no, it wasn't my business. 16:20:20 - did she give you any indication about home life? after I got back from NY. Gone June 30 to 5th july. 16:21:25 - did she tell you where she was? at an amscot. where? end of goldenrod road. did you pick her up? yes. did yo get out of car? no. was she in car? outside of car. did she have anything in her hands? bags or groceries. what did she have? groceries. when she got in car, did she have anger about running out of gas? she said the car broke down and my father will look at it. 16:23:10 - what did casey say when you offered help? that her father would take care of it. after you picked her up did you go to apt.? yes. drop off groceries? yes. did you go to fashion square mall later that day? yes. 16:24:20 - COPY OF VIDEO SURVEILLANCE FROM JC PENNEY. SUBMITTED INTO EVIDENCE. PUBLISHED TO JURY. 16:25:50 - VIDEO SHOWN TO JURY AND IN COURT 16:27:17 - do you recognize yourself? yes. how about casey is she there? yes. 16:27:55 - more shots of video 16:28:57 - I take it you drove to the mall? yes sir. did you ever see that car again? no. did you buy anything at the mall? did I personally? no. June 27, did you go to fusion again? yes. another showcase? yes. did casey go with you? yes sir. 16:29:57 - do you recognize that photo? yes. who is that? myself and casey anthony. when was it taken? june 27th. 16:30:57 - is this accurate representation of what you and casey looked like on june 27th? yes. BAEZ OBJECTS. OVERRULED. RECEIVED INTO EVIDENCE. 16:31:47 - on this night, was there any change in casey's demeanor? no sir. was she upset? no sir. angry? no sir. sad? no sir. her daughter was missing? no sir. kidnapped? no sir. she needed help? no sir. 16:32:45- what date did you leave for vacation? the 30th of june. how did you get to airport? casey drove me and cameron to the airport. how did you get to airport? in my jeep. did you drive? yes. what was the plan for the car? casey was supposed to drop it off at sutton place. 16:33:48 - did you agree to let her use your car? no. did you talk abuot the status of her car? yes. her dad was supposed to take is someplace ...mechanic or dealership. her father was taking care of it. 16:34:36 - is casey in this court? yes. what is she wearing? she's wearing a blue blouse. THANK YOU YOUR HONOR. WITNESS IS SUBJECT TO RECALL. CROSS EXAMINATION. 16:35:52 - you realize casey is standing trial on a death penalty case? yes. did she talk about murders she committed? no. did she borrow duct tape? no. get any weapons? no. what about the second photo. did she talk about murdering anyone? no. murdering caylee? no. any weapons? no. borrow any knives and guns? no. borrow anything she could use to commit a murder? no. what about JC Penny. buy any duct tape? no. plastic bags? no. weapons? no. 16:39:00 -you had no issues dating a girl with a child? no. you liked caylee? yes. did casey be attentive to caylee? yes. did she neglect her? no. go without food? no. wearing dirty clothes? no. most of interaction was that she was a good mother? yes. 16:40:03 - on june 2nd you went to pool? yes. did casey discipline caylee? not that I recall. Do you recall by the pool where she raised her voice? not by the pool. do you recall that at all? no. if i show you your statement on september 18, 2008, would that help? sure. 16:42:02 - tell jury what happened? she was going near pool, didn;t want her to go near pool. what did casey do? what any mother would do, stop her from getting near the pool. did caylee enjoy the pool? yes. you saw that? yes. 16:43:15 - there was a secret she shared, right? yes. OBJECT. sustained on heresay. SIDEBAR. 16:44:30 - OBJECTION SUSTAINED. 16:45:00 - you were cooperative with law enforcement? yes sir. the only people you talked to was law enforcement? yes sir. you wouldn't speak to defense? you cooperated with their every request? yes. you allowed them to tap your phone? yes. you wore a wire? yes. 16:46:00 - you never made any statements to media? no. you never sold any photos or made money off this case? no sir. 16:46:40 - the first time casey ran out of gas, you had to break into the shed? yes. Could she have broken in? she could have. 16:47:28 - at that point, you drove to her car? yes. did she say stay away from the car? no. was she blocking you in any way? no. did she tell you to stay away? no. when she poured the gas into tank, you were standing next to her? right. how far is trunk, a few feet away? more than two feet. 16:48:51 - after she poured gas can in, she opened trunk? no. at any time did you smell any stench in that car? no sir. but I wasn't in the car. 16;51:01 - do you recall if you saw lining of trunk? no sir. baez shows him statement from october 2008. 16:51:45 - when she opened trunk, you could see liner? yes. on the edge of the car. the second time she ran out of gas, she told you she ran out of gas? yes. I said broke down meaning she ran out of gas. on the 27th of june, you came because she ran out of gas? yes. I was just offering help in general. 16:53:10 - baez wants to introduce photo after talking about hardship for lazzaro to return to testify. 17:02:15 - you can't introduce those now. read the ID numbers into the record just so we know what you're talking about. 17:03:15 - when you went to pick up casey at amscot, her car was in a parking spot, right? it was cockeyed. it was at goldenrod? where goldenrod meets colonial. 17:04:38 - you can approach witness but don't expose it to jury 17:07:50 - WE WILL COME BACK TOMORROW. RECESS FOR THE EVENING.
CASEY ANTHONY TRIAL / ISO P1
FTG FOR COVERAGE OF THE CASEY ANTHONY MURDER TRIAL / DAY 2 OF TRIAL / CASEY ISO CAM Early Morning Session 9:01:03 - I'm not going to have a jury waiting around as you search for files. How much time do need to search for a file? if you continue this you'll be working Sundays to. You need to put your heads together. there's be a 10 minute recess. SESSION RESUMES AT 9:14:50 - Cameron Campana called to stand - lond dark hair, wearing dark colored shirt. 9:16:11 - 2007 to 2009, almost three years. did you graduate from full sail? yes, 9:16:30 - what do you currently do? I'm a club promoter in cleveland 9;16:45- sutton place apartments, I forget which apartment number. I lived with Anthony Lazarro. It was a two bedroom, two bathroom apartment, maybe one thousand square feet. 9:18:26 - at one point you had four men living in this apartment? yes. 9:18:55 - directing your attention to May, June, 2008. can you tell me your school schedule? 9:19:54 - SIDEBAR 9:21:50- did your classes also entail working? no. after you went to classes from 1-9, you were done? yes. 9:22:34 - we started at the same time, we were on different schedules. did you have the occassion to meet casey. 9:23:04- I met her through anthony lazarro after a birthday party, May 24th or around that date. 9:23:32- she was just a regular 22 year old girl, happy, just seemed normal. just your average 22 year old. 9:24:12- the middle of June, 2008 (casey started staying with them) 9:24:30- I would see har daily once she would start staying with us. outside the apartent, 2 or 3 times. 9:24:55 - about four times maybe three (met caylee). either in lazarro's room or in lving room watching tv 9:25:33- Caylee never spent the night at the apartment. 9:25:58 - she had mentioned to us she worked for universal as an event coordinator. she would talk about her job every now and them. she had mentioned picking up tickets for a batman premeiere. she'd say work was stressing her out. she told anthony she was going to get red carpet tickets for the premeier but it never happened. 9:28:20 - she told us she was looking for an apartment with amy. had you met her? i believe once. 9:29:05 - did you ever see defendant getting ready to go to work? no. 9:29:20 - when she started living with you did you ever see caylee again? I believe once. we had asked and one time she said she was going to universal with the nanny. the other time she was going to cocoa beach for a birthday party. 9:30:03 - she said she'd talk to caylee on the phone. 9:30:21- did you ever hear her on the phone talking to her daughter? no. did you hear her talking to the nanny? no. did you ever hear her on the phone? she'd step outside and talk. she'd go out by the pond out back. when she came back to the apartment did she tell you who she was talking to? I asked her why she always went out side and she said it was her time to vent. 9:31:50- who was doing the cooking? everyone would do their part. she'd started cooking and buying groceries. 9:32:28 - it was mostly her laundry, sometimes anthony's and I think one time she did mine. she helped clean, we all helped keep it. 9:33:15- did you have a computer? yes, macbook pro. did your roomates have computer? yes. did you see the defendant with a compyuter? yes. did you see her using it? yes. Did you ever use it? no. did she ever ask to borrow your computer? no. anyone else? no. 9:34:11 - she seemed just the same, nothing had changed. she was happy. seemed excited about life. did you ever socailize outsid the apartment? one or two times. 9:34:51- have you ever heard of fusion. 9:35:55- have you ever met george or cindy anthony? no 9:36:11 - did you see any clothing that belonged to caylee? only when she brought her over. did you see it after she started living with you? not that I saw. any stuffed animals? no. 9:37:00- did she ever tell you her daughter was missing? no. that she'd been kidnapped? no. did she ever ask you for help in finding caylee? no. are you aware of an incident July 15 when the defendants mother came to your apartment? I had class and anthony told me what happened. 9:38:10 - had you ever met lee anthony before? no. what did you tell him? I was sorry about what had happened. how did he seem? he seemed calm but at the same time he was worried. he came and picked up a bag of clothes casey had in anthony's room. did you have any contact with defendant after that night? no. lee anthony? no. 9:39;15 - NO FURTHER QUESTIONS, CROSS EXAMINATION BEGINS 9:39:36- were you in casey's home, June, 2008, when caylee drowned? no. end of questions. NEXT WITNESS - NATHAN LEZNIEWICZ - buzz cut, tan shirt 9:41:28 - Nathan Lezniewicz called to stand 94:2:33 - lived in Orlando, going to full sail university for audio engineering. attended for a year and half. attained no degree. currently in band in Vero Beach, also played in bands while attending full sail. 9:43:40 - first started living with Tony Lazarro at end of May 2008. slept on couch, planned on staying for about a month once lease ended 9:44:30 - school schedule for month of June was 9-5. no work outside of school at time. left town a lot. 9:45:08 - how did you first meet Casey Anthony? the drummer of my band, Daniel Howard, had a birthday party which is where Tony and Casey first met. She seemed like a normal 22 year old girl. She was outgoing. 9:46:04 - where did you first meet Caylee? at my apartment 9:46:39 - did she ever spend the night? did casey or caylee ever spend the night? no sir. did there ever come a time she stayed every day? when? third and fourth week of june her staying over picked up quite a bit. 9:47:25 - did she every tell you about her employment? she said she was employed at universal. did you ever see ID badge? no sir. did she ever talk about her work? once in a while. The only thing she talkd about a batman premiere. 9:48:30 - did she ever complain about her work? no sir 9:48:45 - while you were getting ready for school, was she getting ready for work? she was getting ready also and I assumed that's where she was going. 9:49:22- did you spend time alone with her? yes sir. what did you do? hang out, watch tv. was Tony's other roommate, from Ft. Pierce, was in a band, travelled a 9:45:18 - first met casey when drummer in his band had a bday party. Casey was there. That's where tony met her. 9:45:44 - she seemed like a normal girl 9:51:10 - typically she was with the nanny, out doing things. was there anything about casey's demeanor that made you qeustion what she was telling you? no sir. 9:51:50- did she tell you about her parents? not much. when she had a conversation with her parents, she'd leave the apartment because she didn't want us to hear them. did you ever hear here speaking to her daughter? no sir. the nanny? no sir. 9:52:53- did you ever get near car? no sir. did she tell you she was having car trouble? just one morning when she broke down near the amscot. 9:53:40 - what did she do while in the apartment? did she cook? yes. did she clean? yes. did she do the laundry? no, not mine. where did you socialize? fusion nightclub, mostly friday evenings. were there any things going on friday nights? 9:54:44 - how many times were you at fusion with casey? two or three times maybe. 9:56:20 - pic of casey with NATHAN 9:56:40- when you were at fusion did she participate in a contest? yes. what was that contest? a hot body contest. 9:57:30- where was that photo taken? at fusion. was this during June, 2008? yes sir. BAEZ ASKS FOR SIDEBAR, JUDGE SAYS Not at this point. 9:58:16 - photo admitted into evidence. 9:58:34 - SIDEBAR AGAIN. 10:02:58 - JUDGE ALLOWS PHOTO TO BE PUBLISHED TO JURY 10:03:20 - she always seemed like she was having a good time. she's an outgoing personality. at any time she was living with you, did you ever see her distraught? no sir. depressed? no sir. scared? no sir. angry? no sir. did she ever tell you her daughter was missing? no sir. her daughter was kidnapped? no sir. did she ever ask for help in trying to find her? no sir. 10:05:03 - during this time period, was there anything about her demeanor that gave you concern? no sir. when there was a knock on the door, there was a blond girl there I didn't recognize. casey stepped outside and closed the door. she came back inside with her mother and amy huizinga. did you see casey come back after she left with the blond gir? yes. what happened? she was in an argument with cindy and cindy told her to get her stuff and go. did she go outside? yes sir. did she come back? no. did you ever see her again? no. did you speak with her on the phone. no sir. 10:06:51 - we were confused. we didn't know what was going on. we thought it was just something between her, her mother and roommmate. 10:07:30 - lee felt bad for us and said his sister was known to get into trouble ...objection, sustained. 10:08:12- were you visited by law enforcement? yes. how many times? twice. 100900 - did law enforcement question you about amy? no. how long were they there? about five minutes, just enough to collect cell phone. 10:09:46 - what did police do the second time? they searched the apartment. how long where they there? maybe 20-25 minutes. did they take items with them? I do not recall. 10:10:15 =- did you see any clothing belonging to caylee? no sir. any stuffed animals? no sir. NO FURTHER QUESTIONS CROSS EXAMINATION 10:11:12 - you saw caylee how many times? two to three. did she look hungry? no. well fed? yes. did casey seem attentive? yes. 10:12:10 - looking back at casey's behavior, there was no indication that caylee was dead? no sir. there was no signs in any way shape or form? no sir. 10:13:07 - she didn't park 50 yards away where no other cars were parked? no sir. I have no further questions. 10:13:30 - were you present on june 2008 when caylee drowned in the pool? no sir. SIR YOU MAY STAND DOWN. BREAK Late Morning Session TESTIMONY RESUMES AT 10:36:09 STATE CALLS ROY HAUSE GOES BY CLINT - short dark hair, blue button down. 10:39:04 - where do you live? jacksonville, sir. was there a time you lived in orlando? yes sir. when? 2007-2009. what were you studying there? recording arts to engineer and produce music. how long were you there? 10 months. did you get a degree? no. 10:39:56 - where did you live? with tony and cam. what time period in 2008? I was only there a few months. I moved in the end of April and moved out June, 2008. 10:40:43- do you recall during that time period you were at school? I'd be there from 1am to 5am, sometimes 1pm to 5pm. 10:41:20 - did you meet casey? yes I did. do you recall where? tony and I met her at a party. 10:41:56 - she seemed like a fun party girl who'd get along with our group of friends. 10:42:30 - did you ever meet caylee? yes. where? at the sutton place apartments. how many times? four or five times. did caylee ever stayed over? no she never stayed over? did there come a times casey started staying full time? yes. when? middle of June she started spending most of the nights there. did you mind? no, not at all? was this a big apartment? no, we were all kind of crammed in there. 10:43:55 - did casey ever tell you about her employment? she said she worked at universal. did you ever see credentials? no. did she complain about it? no. 10:44:41 - she didn't talk about her work all that much. 10:44:55- when she started staying full time, did you ever see caylee? when she started aying on regular basis we stopped seeing caylee. did you ask her about caylee? yes. she said she was with the nanny. did she indicate nanny was local? yes. did she indicate caylee was anywhere but orlando? no. did it seem odd child was always with nanny. objection. did you question her about where caylee was? i asked her where caylee was and she said she was with the nanny. was there any concern in her voice? no. did she appear worried about where caylee was? no. did she seem sad about not seeing her? her demeanor never changed. 10:47:10 - did you also had a laptop? yes. did casey have a laptop? yes. what kind? hp. did you ever use her computer? no. did she ever use yours? no. did she ever use anyone's but her own? no. while she was staying with you, were you ever present when she spoke on the phone? yes. to whom was she speaking? she'd always walk outside and was either on phone with nanny or her mother. was there any change in her demeanor? no. did she appear nervous? no sir. scared? no sir. 10:48:52- did you see her on daily basis at this time? yes. where did you recall going with her? every friday night we had our own promotional night at fusion and she'd come every friday. she'd try to help us bring people out. when you say she helped bring people out, what do you mean? because she was tony's girlfriend, she'd tell her friends to come out using facebook, myspace, texts. 10:50:29 - none of her friends ever came. 10:50:40 - did casey participate in those events? yes. what role did she play? she was in a couple contests I hosted. she was in a hot body contest, she would mingle with the crowd. 10:51:40 - did casey have anything to do with selecting shot girls? no. did she have anything to do with how they dressed? she'd give them some tidbits but I was telling the girls what they needed to wear. she would say maybe they should wear these shorts with this shot. 10:52:55- do you know a woman by the name of marie kish? yes. did she attend any of the nights at fusion? yes she did. DEFENSE CONFERS, NOW A SIDEBAR. 10:59:50 - SHOT OF GEORGE AND CINDY IN COURTROOM. 11:04:00 - testimony resumes 11:04:11 - what was her demeanor at fusion? she was partying and having a good time. did she seem upset about anything? no. did she seem happy? yes. 11:04:58 - they both seemed happy with each other. she'd come over and cook dinner for everybody. tony seemed happy and so did she. did you see casey and tony fight? no. did you ever notice casey sad? no. angry? no. depressed? no. withdrawn? no. she was still same. 11:06:08 - were you home July 15? no, I moved out. moved out two weeks before that. 11:07:20 - did you have any further contact with casey? no. did she ever tell you her daughter was kidnapped? no. was she worried about her? no. she needed help? no. NO FURTHER QUESTIONS 11:08:36 - the extent you know casey is a month and a half? yes. and you saw caylee how many times? four or five times. did she have backpack? yes. she would have toys, flashcards with shaped and colors. what other learning tools did you see casey teach caylee. never saw any other learning tools. she did have some dvds she brought over. in this bag you'd see diapers, other snacks? yes sir. did you see caylee malnourished? no sir. neglected? no sir. see casey strike caylee? no sir. treat caylee as a burden? no. would you say she was a good mother? yes I would. 11:10:55 - did you ever seen them go out to the pool? no. were you aware that tony lazarro casey and caylee went to pool on june 2nd? yes. who else was there? no one but them. 11:1:44- you weren't keeping a close eye on casey's computer at any time? no sir. 11:13:30- discussion about fusion, what it is, sushi bar, etc. 11:14:17 - this business with shot girls, that's part of your ambiance? yes. casey wasn't a shot girl, was she? no sir. she volunteered to manage these girls? she wasn't managing anybody. that was me and tony. this was while she was staying with you, rent free? yes. part of pulling her weight helping you financially? yes. cooking? yes. cleaning? yes. trash? no, that was us guys. 11:16:00- casey was a friendly girl? yes. she cared about people? yes. she cared about you? yes. you saw her caring for her child? yes. you found out caylee was dead during that time period? yes, i have. you noticed no change in her behavior from the time period she was a loving and caring mother up until the time caylee was deceased? never saw one change in her. 11:17:00 WITNESS EXCUSED 11:18:30 - MARIA KISSH - LONG DARK HAIR, GRAY BLAZER, BLUE BLOUSE. 11:19:20 - she describes who she is, her job in retail sales, educational background at UF, majored in political science, 2007. employed in 2008. working for man running for county office. paying job. had position in may, june 2008. 11:22:00 - I was introduced through clint. had you already known tony? yes. had you known nathan? yes. you knew all these people but casey was a new person you met? yes. did you meet her daughter? no. at some point did you meet caylee? yes. where? at tony's apartment. what do you recall about meeting her? caylee answered the door by herself. had you seen her before? no sir. did you ask her who she was? I knew who she was and said hi, how are you. when you walking in did you see casey? no. at some point did you see her? I did. where from? tony's room. how much time did you spend with caylee? not long, a half hour. 11:24:20 - was casey anywhere around? I saw her come out of the room for a minute and then she went back into tony's room. 11:24:55 - I ended up sitting on balcony and caylee was out there as well. clint got me and said he was ready to go. I felt uncomfortable. why? I didn't want to leave caylee alone. was it (balcony) screened? yes, it was. OBJECTION. APPROACH. 11:26:27 - SHOT OF GEORGE ANTHONY 11:28:30 - SHOT OF CASEY TALKING WITH FEMALE ATTORNEY 11:30:14 - SHOT OF EVIDENCE, FILES, FILE BOXES 11:33:10 - testimony continues 11:33:23 - right around that time, tony caylee and casey were going to leave as well. so casey and tony came out and casey told caylee to get her shoes on because it was time to leave. that was about it. I saw caylee struggling to put on her shoes and socks so i helped her put on her shoes. was caylee verbal with you? yes. she was. was the plan for all of you to go out together? no. 11:35:10 - after that visit, did you see caylee again? yes sir. how often were you at your boyfriend's? 2 to 3 times a week. did you stay the night? a couple times. when you were there, did you recall a time casey was there? I do. all the time? yes. how did you become aware of that. I talked to clint and he would tell me casey's been there all day. OBJECTION. sustained. 11:36:22- was the defendant there? yes. when you stayed for dinner was she there? yes. how would you describe relationship with casey? we saw each other several times because tony and clint would be together. we didn't have a friendship but it was an acquaintance. 11:37:18 - she said she worked for univeral as an event planner. any other details? no sir. ever tell you her hours? not that i can remember. ever see any ID from universal? no sir. did you question if she workd at universal? no sir. 11:38:10 - spend time with casey outside apartment? yes. what kinds of things? going out at night to bar or club and grabbing a bite to eat. did you see casey and tony together? yes. what were your observations on them as couple? OBJECTION, opinion, overruled. 11:39:08 - They got along well, it seemd to be beneficial for tony. did they appear to like each other? I believe so. 11:39:40 - did you ever see them argue? no. do you know what fusion is? yes. what is it? restaurant slash night club. were you at fusion with boyfriend and casey? yes sir. how many times? one time. 11:40:30 - I went to fusion with casey on June 20th. how do you remember? it was a friday and there was a hot body contest that night. 11:41:10 - what do you recall about hot body contest. objection. sustained. did you witness it? yes sir. did defendant participate? yes sir. what was defendant wearing during contest? she was wearing thin knit dress, blueish color. 11:42:34 - pic of casey and nathan 11:43:00 - based on outfit she appears to be wearing, is this an accurate representation of what she was wearing on june 20, 2008. yes. did you participate? no sir. PIC REPUBLISHED TO JURY 11:44:00 - do you recall any role other than being in hot body contest? yes. what was her role? she was in charge of the shot girls. did you see her interacting with them? i did. did you hear her telling them what they were supposed to do? i did. did you hear her discussing their attire? i can't remember. was there anyting about casey's demeanor that alarmed you? no. did she appear angry or upset? no sir. 11:45:20 - where did you stay that night? at the apartment. did you see casey next morning? yes, in kitchen in the morning. did you have a discussion? yes. I asked her where caylee was. she said she was spending weekend at the beach with the nanny. did she give you nanny's name? no. she told me she paid the nanny 400 dollars a week. 11:46:40 - did you ask casey about caylee's dad? APPROACH OBJECTION OVERRULED 11:48:40- what did casey tell you about caylee's dad? she told me he was deceased. 11:49:20 - what did she tell you her living situation was? that she was going to move into her parent's house and they were giving the house to her and caylee. when? didn't give an exact time, within the next couple of months. did casey ever tell you her daughter was missing? no. kidnapped? no. out looking for her? no. asked for help? no. 11:50:15 - did you ride in her car? yes. when? can't remember exact date. it was while she was staying with them, cling and tony. when you were in the car, who were you with? I was with casey, tony and clint. THANK YOU. CROSS EXAMINATION. 11:51;10 - where did you go in the car? to get something to eat. when you sat in back seat did you smell odor? no sir. clint was in backseat? yes. did he say anything? no sir. did tony say anything? no sir. 11:52:30 - you didn't like her being at house? it didn't bother me. your boyfriend lived at house? correct. and casey was at the same house? correct. it struck you odd she was there all the time? yes sir. you would call your boyfriend when she was there? yes. that didn't bother you? no, it never bothered me at all. END OF QUESTIONING around 11:50am Early Afternoon Session 13:14:12 - defense claims the testimony to the shovel is not relevant. says the shovel is misleading, not related nor tied to the offense. we present motion to exclude mention of shovel 13:16:36 - DENIED - just because you're not contesting does not alleviate state's obligation to prove something. anything else before we bring jury back in. BAEZ - objects again. 13:17:34 - discussion of audio problems. 13:20:11 - JURY RETURNS 13:21:15 STATE CALLS BRIAN BURNER - neighbor with shovel. heavy-set man with blue button down shirt, dark hair. 13:22:08 - do you know george and cindy? I do. how do you know them? neighbors. They are your next door neighbors? correct. when did you move into your home? 2005. when you moved in where the anthonys already living there? yes. was casey living there? yes. Lee? I don't recall. how would you describe your relationship with the anthonys? cordial neighbors. did they go to your house for dinner? no. you to theirs? no. 13:24:04 - are any of your children friends with casey or lee? no. 13:24:20 - week of june 16, 2008. were you in your home at that time? yes. did you take a vacation? I did. June 2008? yes. when did you return home? evening of the 16th. you were home on June 17th? yes. did you see casey? I saw casey's vehicle. it was backing into the garage. had you seen casey drive that car before? yes. did anyone else drive it during this time period? no. 12:26:00 - was car into garage or driveway? into the garage. I could see the front end of garage from our window. Did that seem strange? no. have you seen the car backed into the driveway before? not until that day. do you know how long car was there? no. were you home on the 18th? i was doing yardwork outside. was anyone else outside? no. 13:27:15 - did you see casey? she approached me later in the afternoon? when? around 1:30. why did she approach you? she said she wanted to borrow a shovel to dig up a bamboo root. 13:28:20 - pic of shovel 13:28:30 - is that the shovel you lent to casey? yes. OBJECTION OVERRULED AND IT WILL BE RECEIVED INTO EVIDENCE. 13:29:38 - did you see where she came from? no. had she ever asked to borrow anything before? no. did you have a problem with it? no. I walked around to the shed and gave her the shovel. 13:30:29 - did you see her walking into her home? only into the garage. 13:31:00 - while you were cleaning up did you see casey? no. I put equipment in shed then to see if casey was finished. I then went back into the house. I told my son casey borrowed the shovel and if she knocked on the door to take the shovel from her. 13:31:48 - did you get your shovel back? I did. she knocked on the door an hour after I gave her the shovel. did you notice anything different? no. what did you do? I opened garage door and set it in the garage. did you see defendant leave? no. did you see her white car? where? it was back into the garage. 13:32:50 - did you see casey car again that week? one other time. When? either 19 or 20th. 13:33:45 - did you see car pull into the driveway? the car backed in. did you see anything else? no. do you know how long car stayed there? no. 13:34:25 - other than those three instances in June 2008, did you have contact with casey? no. did you have contact with george? one time ...in July. 13:34:55 - when police arrived, did you go outside? no. did you talk to george? no. Cindy? no. when you saw casey on June 18, 2008, did she tell you her daughter was missing? no. kidnapped? no. that she was looking for her? no. did she tell you anything was wrong with her daughter? no. was she upset? no. sad? no. angry? no. just normal. 13:36:40 - THANK YOU SIR. CROSS EXAMINATION 13:37:03 - you fist gave a statement to law enforce. on July 17, 2008, right when media attention began? yes. you saw police cars next door on the 16th? I believe so. do you recall you gave a statement July 17? it was a Thursday. 13:38:10 - when you spoke with them, you told them you didn't know the date casey had borrowed the shovel but knew it was the week of the 16th? correct. you were called into sheriff's on June 30th? yes. you met with corporal edwards? yes. you then spoke with him a while? correct. that's when you started giving them dates? yes. do you recall if edwards asked you to close your eyes to remember because this was important? yes. did edwards tell you that as time passes you start to remember things. would you agree? to some extent. after you closed your eyes, that's when the dates became clear? no. that's when you told him the dates? no. you're saying as time passed you could recall the dates? correct. 12:41:00 - you wouldn't make it a habit to see how she parked her car? no. you're just the average neighbor? yes. you wouldn't consider yourself a nosy neighbor? no. you wouldn't notice how she parks her car every day? correct. 13:41:50 - when she gave you shovel back it wasn't muddy? no. she didn't look sweaty or digging a ditch? not that I recall. 13:42:30 - you can't offer us anything more than speculation about what she did with shovel? yes. NO FURTHER QUESTIONS REDIRECT 13:43:20 - do you recall telling him you saw a pickup? yes, wasn't sure of the vehicle. what do you recall about the incident? that was the monday the gas cans were taken. I looked out window and saw casey and thought nothing of it. 13:44:00 - where did you see casey? in the driveway. could you hear them speaking? no. there was casey and a man? correct. 13:44:33 - do you recall any other car in driveway? no. in garage? no. 13:45:27 - did you see casey drive away? no. did you hear any noises? no. 13:46:00 - was the white car there? no. RECROSS EXAMINATION 13:46:35 - when you started talking about them it was a month later after they occurred? correct. it's tough to recall everything a month prior? correct. no one told you on that day you should be looking for a certain car? correct. 13:48:35 - the anthony family home would be towards the right? correct. 13:49:03 - the date ...CAN I HAVE JUST A MOMENT? 13:49:35 - you didn't see the male? I saw casey and I saw the male first. any time you saw cars, you never saw anyone driving them? no. any time you saw casey's car you didn't see who was driving? correct. this shovel was then turned into fbi? I believe so. after you made that statement, there were media trucks outside your home? yes. for how long? months. STATE OBJECTS TO RELEVANCE. sustained 13:51:15 - you told mr george casey seemed normal? correct. WITHDRAWN WITNESS EXCUSED. RECESS ? 13:55:55 - shots of EVIDENCE BAGS 13:57:05 - MORE SHOTS OF EVIDENCE BAGS Late Afternoon Session 14:06:58 - testimony resumes JAMIE REALANDER - DARK, RED HAIR, BEIGE SWEATER, RED/ORANGE TOP 14:09:10 - detailing where she went to school and where she was working, rosen hotels, working with golf club at shingle creek. 14:10:11 - how did you first meet casey? I met her through a friend at fusion night club. 14:10:40 - who introduced you to casey? I believe it was my friend jenna prentice. who is she? just a friend at the time. was she an employee at fusion? not at that time? how was casey's demeanor? she was happy, seemd like a nice person to be friends with. was this may 2008? yes. was anything odd or out of place? no. 14:11:53- were you employed at some point at fusion? yes. as what? a shot girl. 14;13:10- directing your attention to june 20, 2008, were you a shot girl? no. june 13th? no. june 27th? yes. did you see casey? yes. what was your understanding of her role? she was the one we'd go to with questions. questions such as? where to be stationed, where to go for information. 14:14:15 - did you attend fusion on June 20, not as a shot girl? yes. do you recall a hot body contest? yes. 14:53:52 - do you see photo on monitor? yes. do you recognize yourself? yes. circle where you are. 14:15:19 - pic at FUSION. do you recognize casey? yes. what is she wearing? a blue dress. 14:15:45 - he circles her dress/pic 14:16:00 - anything out of the ordinary you recall from conversations with casey? no. 14:16:25 - is this pic a fair representation of what you and casey looked like on june 20, 2008? yes. You recognize this to be fusion night club? yes. PIC ADMITTED INTO EVIDECE. BAEZ OBJECTS. OBJECTION OVERRULED. PIC MAY BE PUBLISHED 14:17:30 - was she (casey) upset? no. crying? no. objection, overruled. 14:18:30 - were you talked to about what to wear? I don't know if it was by casey. and when you came to work as a shot girl on the 27th of June, casey more or less passed on what you were wearing? yes. did she give you any tips on what to wear? not directly to me. 14:19:40 -was there ever a problem that occurred? yes. tell us. there was large group of people and someone tried to grab one of the shot girls, scratching her. what did casey do? for our safety, she had us leave for the night. we spoke to her on July 15th. was this conversation in person? over the phone. prior to this conversation, were you aware she jad a daughter? no. did you know if she was in a relationship? yes. with who? anthony lazarro. 14:21:00 - we had a conversation about what she'd be diong that day. she went to her job at universal then pick up her daughter casey (on july 15th). 14:21:45 - did she call her daughter by name? no. did she tell you antying about her daughter? that her birthday was the next month and that I was invited to her birthday party? that you were invited? yes. did you see casey outside fusion? no. any subsequent phone calls? not to my knowledge? ever receive text? yes. the one I remember was the day after her mother reported her missing to cops. CROSS EXAMINATION 14:23:50 - did anything happen that had to do with caylee? no. no one saw her? no. did anything happen that night that had to do with her death? no. 14:24:45 - the casey you knew was a nice person? yes. she treated you with respect? yes. she looked out for you and the other girls? yes. was she considered a big sister? yes. she always made sure we were ok and weren't in harms way at all. 14:25:35 - casey was somewhat of a protector? yes. 14:26:00 - you have no information that helps this jury decide what happened june 16th? no. REDIRECT 14:26:30 - did she tell you her daughter was missing? no, kidnapped? no. needed help? no. did she give you any indication something was wrong? no. ERICA GONZALEZ - DARK LONG BLACK HAIR, BLACK SWEATER/BLAZER 14:29:00 - detailing work history, full time mom, education, location, working at fusion night club, shot girl. 14:30:00 - was that a nightly occurrence? it was once every friday. did you work every friday in june 2008? I believe so. OBJECTION, OVERRULED. 14:30:35- did you come into contact with casey? I did. was this at fusion? it was. did you know her beforehand? I did not. how did you meet? I met her through one of the girls at the night club. 14:31:15 - did you have the opportunity to speak with her? when I was a shot girl I spoke to her many times. 14:31:40 - she was kind of like our manager. we'd tell her what we were wearing and if anything happened, she'd protect us. 14:32:30 - did casey ever tell you what to wear? no. ever make suggestions? no. did you ever speak to casey about things outside fusion? 14:33:16 - from speaking with her did you know where she was living? no. 14:33:44 - do you know ms. realander? I do. did an incident happen that you brought to 14:34:00 - did you know she had a child? yes. how? we were in the bathroom one day and she mentioned her daughter. she was taking care of us and explained she had a daughter. did she tell you anything about her? no. how old? no. her name? no. she was missing? NO. kidnapped? no. actively looking for her? no. anything wrong with her daughter? no. anything going on with her? no. ever see anything in her behavior that would lead you to believe anything was wrong? absolutely not. THANK YOU. CROSS EXAMINATION BACK TO PROSECUTION 14:36:25 - we were talking about dinner with all the shot girls. what else? she was going to call me back so we could meet up. she never called back. said she was heading to airport to pick someone up. did she say who? no. did you learn casey's daughter was missing? yes. what did you do? I heard that night I talked to her. I texted her the next day that if she needed anything let me know. I made flyers for my job. did you get response? she said thank you and that she was worried about caylee. did she say when she saw caylee last? with the nanny. 14:38:45 - did you have any understanding that there was anyone else in car with her? I don't recall. do you recall what your phone number was? yes. may I have it? 321-439-4577. CROSS EXAMINATION 14:40:00 - you stated casey was kind to you? she was. she was nice to you? yes. she looked out for all of you? she did. she talked about her daughter in bathroom? yes. did you see casey drink or get drunk? no. do you have any info as to what may have happened to caylee? as far as? how she died. no. WITNESS EXCUSED. RECESS AT 14:41:50 Late Afternoon Session WITNESS ANTHONY LAZZARO - short dark hair, white shirt, black tie 15:09:40 - when you moved into sutton place who did you live with? cameron. just the two of you for awhile? yes. two of my friends slept on the couch. one was roy house and nathan. did they pay any rent? no, it was just a friendly gesture. 15:10:45 - talks about full sail, college schedule, school open 24-7. 15:11:20 - what was your schedule may june 2008? it wasn't consistent. morning class 9-1 then sometimes an evening lab. 15::12:09- did you receive a computer? yes, macbook pro. as part of your education did you take it upon yourself to put on either shows or do some sort of events? they wanted you to get involved with the other kids because these could be people you'd work with in the music industry. 15:13:00- during may, june 2008, did you try to set up a small business? yes. what did you do? i had experience deejaying. me and clint started our own company doing promotion. did it have a name? we had a bunch of names but it became DBC entertainment. 15:14:15 -when did you start working as deejay? we went to fusion. we met with the owner. we said hey we're deejays, we have experience, if you're interested we could do a party on a friday night. that's basically how that started. 15:15:08 - that started in june. at the same time you were taking classes? yes sir. did you own a car this time period? yes. what kind? 97 jeep grand cherokee. 15:15:50 - may 2008, did there come a time you came in contact with casey? yes sir? how did that start? I met her on facebook, we became friends. I found her through facebook, it shows people in your area, so i sent her a friend request. did she respond immediately? I don't know. 15:17:10 - first time we met in person was at my friend's birthday. his name was dan howard. this was the same time I was starting deejay company around the end of May. I was inviting a ton of people and made it a facebook event. That's when she got back to me to go to the party. 15:18:15 - while you were talking did you learn she had a child? I believe so? did you know her name? I can't recall? do you know how old she was? a toddler 15:18:48 - what were your first impressions? pretty girl. she showed up with bunch of friends. we hit it off. 15:19:20 - did you make plans to see her again? Not that night but shortly after. 15:19:45 - she would come over and show up to my apartment. how often? a couple of times. a week? more or less a couple times a week. 15:20:15- did she bring her daughter? yes. did you two stay at apt. or go out? we went to the pool. she brought her daughter over and we went down by the pool. at your apt. complex? yes sir. do you remember when? I'd say June 2nd. 15:21:06 - do you know what arden villas is? That's not ringing a bell. did you invite her to another party? I remember inviting her to a pool party. did she attend? yes. bring anyone? no. 15:22:00 - aware of her car? yes. what was she driving? white pontiac. on june 4th 2008, did you attend party for troy brown? yes. who went? me, clint and maria. when you went to that party where was it? club voyage. when you went there on the 4th of june, who drove? casey did. what car did you take? her car. was it during this time you first met caylee? yes. did you see her in any other context? yes, when we went to mall of millenia. it was a friday afternoon, I'd say the 13th. 15:24:30 - went to mall to hand out flyers for event. when you did that, was casey with you? no. did she go to mall with you? yes. she and caylee walked around the mall. did you meet up again? yes. we went to cheesecake factory and had a late lunch. how did you get to mall? I believe it was in her car. 15:25:30 - did caylee ever spend the night at your apartment? no sir. 15:25:50 - when casey dropped you off at the apartment, was that the last time you saw caylee? yes sir. 15:26:30- did you go to fusion june 13, 2008. yes sir. did casey attend? yes sir. who hires the shot girls? it was between me and clint and the other two promoters. who would instruct the shot girls? it came down to the owner. 15:27:59 - casey wanted to help out so we said you could tell the shot girls what they needed to know. did she tell them what to wear? I don't recall. 15:28:40 - she had a job at universal studios? did she tell you what she did? something with events. did she ever give you details about the job? throughout the relationship she'd talk abuot specific people. I recall a Jeff, other girls names. did she complain about the job? I can't remember specifics. She might have. see her with ID? she'd walk in apt. with universal badge. did it have pic on it? yes. 15:30;15 - her babysitter and her mother (were taking care of caylee while casey was at work). did she talk to you about the babysitter's name? at that point, zani. this was at begining of relationship? yes. tell you where zani lived? no. any relatives? no. cared for any other kids? no. ever discuss what she paid zani? I don't remember. did she ever tell you when the nanny would take care of her and when her mother would take care of her? it would be either or. 15:32:06 COUNSEL APPROACHES BENCH 10 MINUTE RECESS. 15:40:18 - testimony resumes. 15:42:17- pic of tony and casey. 15:42:30 - was that pic taken in june, 2008? yes sir. can you tell when it was taken? it'd have to be early june when I began promoting ....is that accurate representation of what you both looked like on June 13, 2008? yes sir. 15:43:43 - SIDEBAR shot of george and cindy at 15:46:10 15:48:20 - OBJECTION NOTED AND OVERRULED 15:48:41 - PIC IS PUBLISHED TO THE JURY 15:49:15 - after this showcase, did casey return to your apt? yes. did she stay over? yes. was this the first time she stayed over? I believe so yes, definitely. did there come a time after june 13 that casey began spending more time with you? yes. mid to late june. did she spend every night? yes. 15:50:45 - did you see defendant that day (June 16)? yes. what time? anywhere after 6:30-7. do you recall going to blockbuster? yes. with casey? yes. 15:51:45 - JUDGGE READS: copy of video surveillance at blockbuster are true and accurate represenation. parties have agreed to this fact. should be considered true in your deliberations. you may proceed. 15:52:40 - move DVD of video into evidence. 15:53:30- video published to jury 15:53:39 - shots of video surveillance at blockbuster being shown in court 15:54:30 - did you recognize yourself? yes, that's the marbury jersey. you have your arms around someone? who? casey. this is on june 16, 2008? yes sir. how would you describe her demeanor? the way she was every day. which was? happy ..happy to see me, having a grand old time. did she ever cry? no. act scared? no. nervous? tell you that dauther was missing? no. something wrong with her? no. something happeend to her? no. attitude any different than previous times you had seen her? no.did she stay over that night? yes sir. from there on did she stay with you? yes. 15:56:51- any toiletries for caylee? no. do you recall her talking to caylee on phone? not taht I recall. her parents? any time she talked on phone she went outside. on this night, did she call anyone? no. on june 16th,this was a new relationship? yes. did you care for her? yes. it was going well? yes. any fights? no. disagreements? no. She stayed that night, correct? yes. the following day did you spend with her? yes, I played hookey. why? didn't feel like leaving my home. you spent you day with Casey? yes. what was your phone number? i've changed it so many times, I can't remember. It was an ATT. 15:59:20 - on june 17th you play hookey? yes. what did you do? stayed in my room. any change in casey's behavior? no. did she give you any indication anything wrong? no. say antying about her daughter? no. do you recall if she ever called anyone in your presence? not in my presence. you spend the entire day and night with her june 17? yes sir. how about june 18? I went to class. what was casey doing? going to work, going to see caylee, wherever she had to go. did she tell you where she'd go? no. you understood she had a job? yes. 16:01:25 - on june 19 did you go looking for apt? yes. did you go with casey? yes. 16:01:58 -who were you planning on living with? nathan and brian. did you bring defendant? yes. did you both look at it? no. she didn't have ID on her. during this time period, where was casey living? she was living at home, she was always talking about taking the anthony's home because they were going to move out. 16:03:37 - the defendant was goin gto live with amy, either in another home or apt? yes. did she say anything about her dad? not at that time? her mother? not that I can recall at that time. Right now everything's pretty good? yes sir. 16:04:15 - by the 18th of june were you sharing any of your secrets? not that I recall. June 20th, did you go to fusion again? yes sir. another hip hop showcase? did casey go with you? yes sir. did anything different happen? yes, there was a hot body contest. promoted beforehand? I can't recall but it was a last minute decision. when you got there, were there enough to have a contest? more or less. At some point did casey particpate? yes. who asked her to participate? I wasn't present. she told me about it. any objections to it? I can't recall, I maybe hestitated for a second. 16:06:45 - since this is your showcase, what is your role? my role is to make sure nothing got out of hand. that was basically it. 16:07:55 - do you recognize that photo? yes. what is it? the hot body contest? do you recogize casey? yes. what is she wearing? a blue dress. you were present while this was going on? yes. a fair and accurate representation of contest? yes sir. MOVE INTO EVIDENCE. BAEZ OBJECTS. OVERRULED. RECEIVED INTO EVIDENCE. PUBLISHED TO JURY. 16:10:00 - any diffrence in casey's behavior? no sir. any time did she tell you caylee is missing? no sir. kidnapped? no sir. actively looking for her? no sir. ask you for help? no. she needed help? something had happened to her? no. 16:11:22- was showcase a success? yes. defendant came home with you? yes sir. June 23rd, was there a time casey told you she had run out of gas? yes sir. what time? mid to late afternoon. where you in class? I was at home. what did she tell you? she ran out of gas and needed to be picked up. did she sound scared? no. frantic? no. worried? no. I went to where she was an picked her up. 16:13:16 - did you talk to her on phone while going to meet her? yes. did she have anything with her? a backpack. had you seen it before? I can't remember. where did you go? she said she had gas at her house. had you been to her house? no. did she direct you? yes. Parked in driveway. where there any cars in driveway? no. where did you go? to her backyard. did you go into garage? yes. how did you get in? she opened it. 16:14:38 - when door opened, any cars in garage? no. did you go in anthony home? we went to back yard. did you recall being inside home? I don't recall. you went to side of house? we went to the shed. we had to open it. that;s where gas cans werre. we broke lock with tire iron from my truck. were you concerned? yes. she said it's ok it's my shed. 16:16:08 - did you break the lock? yes. how many gas cans did you take? two. what did you do with them? put them in the truck and she directed me to her car. who put gas into car? casey did. after, what did she do with cans? she put them in trunk. what kind of car? white pontiac. when she opened the trunk could you see inside? no. where did you go? back to my apt. did casey express concern with breaking into shed? no. did her mood change? no. was she ok? yes. 16:18:04 - what happened when she took a phone call? she'd go outside. 16:18:25 - did you find it odd she'd leave every time she took a phone call? yes and no. i thought it'd be a private matter with her mom. was there a change in mood? no. ever give you any details? no. did casey ever say to you I'm going to call the babysitter? yes. did she dial a phone? she'd grab phone and go outside. did she tell you about arguments with mom? I don't remember anything specific. did her mood change after talking with mom? no, not drastically. did she give you details? no, it wasn't my business. 16:20:20 - did she give you any indication about home life? after I got back from NY. Gone June 30 to 5th july. 16:21:25 - did she tell you where she was? at an amscot. where? end of goldenrod road. did you pick her up? yes. did yo get out of car? no. was she in car? outside of car. did she have anything in her hands? bags or groceries. what did she have? groceries. when she got in car, did she have anger about running out of gas? she said the car broke down and my father will look at it. 16:23:10 - what did casey say when you offered help? that her father would take care of it. after you picked her up did you go to apt.? yes. drop off groceries? yes. did you go to fashion square mall later that day? yes. 16:24:20 - COPY OF VIDEO SURVEILLANCE FROM JC PENNEY. SUBMITTED INTO EVIDENCE. PUBLISHED TO JURY. 16:25:50 - VIDEO SHOWN TO JURY AND IN COURT 16:27:17 - do you recognize yourself? yes. how about casey is she there? yes. 16:27:55 - more shots of video 16:28:57 - I take it you drove to the mall? yes sir. did you ever see that car again? no. did you buy anything at the mall? did I personally? no. June 27, did you go to fusion again? yes. another showcase? yes. did casey go with you? yes sir. 16:29:57 - do you recognize that photo? yes. who is that? myself and casey anthony. when was it taken? june 27th. 16:30:57 - is this accurate representation of what you and casey looked like on june 27th? yes. BAEZ OBJECTS. OVERRULED. RECEIVED INTO EVIDENCE. 16:31:47 - on this night, was there any change in casey's demeanor? no sir. was she upset? no sir. angry? no sir. sad? no sir. her daughter was missing? no sir. kidnapped? no sir. she needed help? no sir. 16:32:45- what date did you leave for vacation? the 30th of june. how did you get to airport? casey drove me and cameron to the airport. how did you get to airport? in my jeep. did you drive? yes. what was the plan for the car? casey was supposed to drop it off at sutton place. 16:33:48 - did you agree to let her use your car? no. did you talk abuot the status of her car? yes. her dad was supposed to take is someplace ...mechanic or dealership. her father was taking care of it. 16:34:36 - is casey in this court? yes. what is she wearing? she's wearing a blue blouse. THANK YOU YOUR HONOR. WITNESS IS SUBJECT TO RECALL. CROSS EXAMINATION. 16:35:52 - you realize casey is standing trial on a death penalty case? yes. did she talk about murders she committed? no. did she borrow duct tape? no. get any weapons? no. what about the second photo. did she talk about murdering anyone? no. murdering caylee? no. any weapons? no. borrow any knives and guns? no. borrow anything she could use to commit a murder? no. what about JC Penny. buy any duct tape? no. plastic bags? no. weapons? no. 16:39:00 -you had no issues dating a girl with a child? no. you liked caylee? yes. did casey be attentive to caylee? yes. did she neglect her? no. go without food? no. wearing dirty clothes? no. most of interaction was that she was a good mother? yes. 16:40:03 - on june 2nd you went to pool? yes. did casey discipline caylee? not that I recall. Do you recall by the pool where she raised her voice? not by the pool. do you recall that at all? no. if i show you your statement on september 18, 2008, would that help? sure. 16:42:02 - tell jury what happened? she was going near pool, didn;t want her to go near pool. what did casey do? what any mother would do, stop her from getting near the pool. did caylee enjoy the pool? yes. you saw that? yes. 16:43:15 - there was a secret she shared, right? yes. OBJECT. sustained on heresay. SIDEBAR. 16:44:30 - OBJECTION SUSTAINED. 16:45:00 - you were cooperative with law enforcement? yes sir. the only people you talked to was law enforcement? yes sir. you wouldn't speak to defense? you cooperated with their every request? yes. you allowed them to tap your phone? yes. you wore a wire? yes. 16:46:00 - you never made any statements to media? no. you never sold any photos or made money off this case? no sir. 16:46:40 - the first time casey ran out of gas, you had to break into the shed? yes. Could she have broken in? she could have. 16:47:28 - at that point, you drove to her car? yes. did she say stay away from the car? no. was she blocking you in any way? no. did she tell you to stay away? no. when she poured the gas into tank, you were standing next to her? right. how far is trunk, a few feet away? more than two feet. 16:48:51 - after she poured gas can in, she opened trunk? no. at any time did you smell any stench in that car? no sir. but I wasn't in the car. 16;51:01 - do you recall if you saw lining of trunk? no sir. baez shows him statement from october 2008. 16:51:45 - when she opened trunk, you could see liner? yes. on the edge of the car. the second time she ran out of gas, she told you she ran out of gas? yes. I said broke down meaning she ran out of gas. on the 27th of june, you came because she ran out of gas? yes. I was just offering help in general. 16:53:10 - baez wants to introduce photo after talking about hardship for lazzaro to return to testify. 17:02:15 - you can't introduce those now. read the ID numbers into the record just so we know what you're talking about. 17:03:15 - when you went to pick up casey at amscot, her car was in a parking spot, right? it was cockeyed. it was at goldenrod? where goldenrod meets colonial. 17:04:38 - you can approach witness but don't expose it to jury 17:07:50 - WE WILL COME BACK TOMORROW. RECESS FOR THE EVENING.
CASEY ANTHONY TRIAL / ISO P2
FTG FOR COVERAGE OF THE CASEY ANTHONY MURDER TRIAL / DAY 2 OF TRIAL / CASEY ISO CAM Early Morning Session 9:01:03 - I'm not going to have a jury waiting around as you search for files. How much time do need to search for a file? if you continue this you'll be working Sundays to. You need to put your heads together. there's be a 10 minute recess. SESSION RESUMES AT 9:14:50 - Cameron Campana called to stand - lond dark hair, wearing dark colored shirt. 9:16:11 - 2007 to 2009, almost three years. did you graduate from full sail? yes, 9:16:30 - what do you currently do? I'm a club promoter in cleveland 9;16:45- sutton place apartments, I forget which apartment number. I lived with Anthony Lazarro. It was a two bedroom, two bathroom apartment, maybe one thousand square feet. 9:18:26 - at one point you had four men living in this apartment? yes. 9:18:55 - directing your attention to May, June, 2008. can you tell me your school schedule? 9:19:54 - SIDEBAR 9:21:50- did your classes also entail working? no. after you went to classes from 1-9, you were done? yes. 9:22:34 - we started at the same time, we were on different schedules. did you have the occassion to meet casey. 9:23:04- I met her through anthony lazarro after a birthday party, May 24th or around that date. 9:23:32- she was just a regular 22 year old girl, happy, just seemed normal. just your average 22 year old. 9:24:12- the middle of June, 2008 (casey started staying with them) 9:24:30- I would see har daily once she would start staying with us. outside the apartent, 2 or 3 times. 9:24:55 - about four times maybe three (met caylee). either in lazarro's room or in lving room watching tv 9:25:33- Caylee never spent the night at the apartment. 9:25:58 - she had mentioned to us she worked for universal as an event coordinator. she would talk about her job every now and them. she had mentioned picking up tickets for a batman premeiere. she'd say work was stressing her out. she told anthony she was going to get red carpet tickets for the premeier but it never happened. 9:28:20 - she told us she was looking for an apartment with amy. had you met her? i believe once. 9:29:05 - did you ever see defendant getting ready to go to work? no. 9:29:20 - when she started living with you did you ever see caylee again? I believe once. we had asked and one time she said she was going to universal with the nanny. the other time she was going to cocoa beach for a birthday party. 9:30:03 - she said she'd talk to caylee on the phone. 9:30:21- did you ever hear her on the phone talking to her daughter? no. did you hear her talking to the nanny? no. did you ever hear her on the phone? she'd step outside and talk. she'd go out by the pond out back. when she came back to the apartment did she tell you who she was talking to? I asked her why she always went out side and she said it was her time to vent. 9:31:50- who was doing the cooking? everyone would do their part. she'd started cooking and buying groceries. 9:32:28 - it was mostly her laundry, sometimes anthony's and I think one time she did mine. she helped clean, we all helped keep it. 9:33:15- did you have a computer? yes, macbook pro. did your roomates have computer? yes. did you see the defendant with a compyuter? yes. did you see her using it? yes. Did you ever use it? no. did she ever ask to borrow your computer? no. anyone else? no. 9:34:11 - she seemed just the same, nothing had changed. she was happy. seemed excited about life. did you ever socailize outsid the apartment? one or two times. 9:34:51- have you ever heard of fusion. 9:35:55- have you ever met george or cindy anthony? no 9:36:11 - did you see any clothing that belonged to caylee? only when she brought her over. did you see it after she started living with you? not that I saw. any stuffed animals? no. 9:37:00- did she ever tell you her daughter was missing? no. that she'd been kidnapped? no. did she ever ask you for help in finding caylee? no. are you aware of an incident July 15 when the defendants mother came to your apartment? I had class and anthony told me what happened. 9:38:10 - had you ever met lee anthony before? no. what did you tell him? I was sorry about what had happened. how did he seem? he seemed calm but at the same time he was worried. he came and picked up a bag of clothes casey had in anthony's room. did you have any contact with defendant after that night? no. lee anthony? no. 9:39;15 - NO FURTHER QUESTIONS, CROSS EXAMINATION BEGINS 9:39:36- were you in casey's home, June, 2008, when caylee drowned? no. end of questions. NEXT WITNESS - NATHAN LEZNIEWICZ - buzz cut, tan shirt 9:41:28 - Nathan Lezniewicz called to stand 94:2:33 - lived in Orlando, going to full sail university for audio engineering. attended for a year and half. attained no degree. currently in band in Vero Beach, also played in bands while attending full sail. 9:43:40 - first started living with Tony Lazarro at end of May 2008. slept on couch, planned on staying for about a month once lease ended 9:44:30 - school schedule for month of June was 9-5. no work outside of school at time. left town a lot. 9:45:08 - how did you first meet Casey Anthony? the drummer of my band, Daniel Howard, had a birthday party which is where Tony and Casey first met. She seemed like a normal 22 year old girl. She was outgoing. 9:46:04 - where did you first meet Caylee? at my apartment 9:46:39 - did she ever spend the night? did casey or caylee ever spend the night? no sir. did there ever come a time she stayed every day? when? third and fourth week of june her staying over picked up quite a bit. 9:47:25 - did she every tell you about her employment? she said she was employed at universal. did you ever see ID badge? no sir. did she ever talk about her work? once in a while. The only thing she talkd about a batman premiere. 9:48:30 - did she ever complain about her work? no sir 9:48:45 - while you were getting ready for school, was she getting ready for work? she was getting ready also and I assumed that's where she was going. 9:49:22- did you spend time alone with her? yes sir. what did you do? hang out, watch tv. was Tony's other roommate, from Ft. Pierce, was in a band, travelled a 9:45:18 - first met casey when drummer in his band had a bday party. Casey was there. That's where tony met her. 9:45:44 - she seemed like a normal girl 9:51:10 - typically she was with the nanny, out doing things. was there anything about casey's demeanor that made you qeustion what she was telling you? no sir. 9:51:50- did she tell you about her parents? not much. when she had a conversation with her parents, she'd leave the apartment because she didn't want us to hear them. did you ever hear here speaking to her daughter? no sir. the nanny? no sir. 9:52:53- did you ever get near car? no sir. did she tell you she was having car trouble? just one morning when she broke down near the amscot. 9:53:40 - what did she do while in the apartment? did she cook? yes. did she clean? yes. did she do the laundry? no, not mine. where did you socialize? fusion nightclub, mostly friday evenings. were there any things going on friday nights? 9:54:44 - how many times were you at fusion with casey? two or three times maybe. 9:56:20 - pic of casey with NATHAN 9:56:40- when you were at fusion did she participate in a contest? yes. what was that contest? a hot body contest. 9:57:30- where was that photo taken? at fusion. was this during June, 2008? yes sir. BAEZ ASKS FOR SIDEBAR, JUDGE SAYS Not at this point. 9:58:16 - photo admitted into evidence. 9:58:34 - SIDEBAR AGAIN. 10:02:58 - JUDGE ALLOWS PHOTO TO BE PUBLISHED TO JURY 10:03:20 - she always seemed like she was having a good time. she's an outgoing personality. at any time she was living with you, did you ever see her distraught? no sir. depressed? no sir. scared? no sir. angry? no sir. did she ever tell you her daughter was missing? no sir. her daughter was kidnapped? no sir. did she ever ask for help in trying to find her? no sir. 10:05:03 - during this time period, was there anything about her demeanor that gave you concern? no sir. when there was a knock on the door, there was a blond girl there I didn't recognize. casey stepped outside and closed the door. she came back inside with her mother and amy huizinga. did you see casey come back after she left with the blond gir? yes. what happened? she was in an argument with cindy and cindy told her to get her stuff and go. did she go outside? yes sir. did she come back? no. did you ever see her again? no. did you speak with her on the phone. no sir. 10:06:51 - we were confused. we didn't know what was going on. we thought it was just something between her, her mother and roommmate. 10:07:30 - lee felt bad for us and said his sister was known to get into trouble ...objection, sustained. 10:08:12- were you visited by law enforcement? yes. how many times? twice. 100900 - did law enforcement question you about amy? no. how long were they there? about five minutes, just enough to collect cell phone. 10:09:46 - what did police do the second time? they searched the apartment. how long where they there? maybe 20-25 minutes. did they take items with them? I do not recall. 10:10:15 =- did you see any clothing belonging to caylee? no sir. any stuffed animals? no sir. NO FURTHER QUESTIONS CROSS EXAMINATION 10:11:12 - you saw caylee how many times? two to three. did she look hungry? no. well fed? yes. did casey seem attentive? yes. 10:12:10 - looking back at casey's behavior, there was no indication that caylee was dead? no sir. there was no signs in any way shape or form? no sir. 10:13:07 - she didn't park 50 yards away where no other cars were parked? no sir. I have no further questions. 10:13:30 - were you present on june 2008 when caylee drowned in the pool? no sir. SIR YOU MAY STAND DOWN. BREAK Late Morning Session TESTIMONY RESUMES AT 10:36:09 STATE CALLS ROY HAUSE GOES BY CLINT - short dark hair, blue button down. 10:39:04 - where do you live? jacksonville, sir. was there a time you lived in orlando? yes sir. when? 2007-2009. what were you studying there? recording arts to engineer and produce music. how long were you there? 10 months. did you get a degree? no. 10:39:56 - where did you live? with tony and cam. what time period in 2008? I was only there a few months. I moved in the end of April and moved out June, 2008. 10:40:43- do you recall during that time period you were at school? I'd be there from 1am to 5am, sometimes 1pm to 5pm. 10:41:20 - did you meet casey? yes I did. do you recall where? tony and I met her at a party. 10:41:56 - she seemed like a fun party girl who'd get along with our group of friends. 10:42:30 - did you ever meet caylee? yes. where? at the sutton place apartments. how many times? four or five times. did caylee ever stayed over? no she never stayed over? did there come a times casey started staying full time? yes. when? middle of June she started spending most of the nights there. did you mind? no, not at all? was this a big apartment? no, we were all kind of crammed in there. 10:43:55 - did casey ever tell you about her employment? she said she worked at universal. did you ever see credentials? no. did she complain about it? no. 10:44:41 - she didn't talk about her work all that much. 10:44:55- when she started staying full time, did you ever see caylee? when she started aying on regular basis we stopped seeing caylee. did you ask her about caylee? yes. she said she was with the nanny. did she indicate nanny was local? yes. did she indicate caylee was anywhere but orlando? no. did it seem odd child was always with nanny. objection. did you question her about where caylee was? i asked her where caylee was and she said she was with the nanny. was there any concern in her voice? no. did she appear worried about where caylee was? no. did she seem sad about not seeing her? her demeanor never changed. 10:47:10 - did you also had a laptop? yes. did casey have a laptop? yes. what kind? hp. did you ever use her computer? no. did she ever use yours? no. did she ever use anyone's but her own? no. while she was staying with you, were you ever present when she spoke on the phone? yes. to whom was she speaking? she'd always walk outside and was either on phone with nanny or her mother. was there any change in her demeanor? no. did she appear nervous? no sir. scared? no sir. 10:48:52- did you see her on daily basis at this time? yes. where did you recall going with her? every friday night we had our own promotional night at fusion and she'd come every friday. she'd try to help us bring people out. when you say she helped bring people out, what do you mean? because she was tony's girlfriend, she'd tell her friends to come out using facebook, myspace, texts. 10:50:29 - none of her friends ever came. 10:50:40 - did casey participate in those events? yes. what role did she play? she was in a couple contests I hosted. she was in a hot body contest, she would mingle with the crowd. 10:51:40 - did casey have anything to do with selecting shot girls? no. did she have anything to do with how they dressed? she'd give them some tidbits but I was telling the girls what they needed to wear. she would say maybe they should wear these shorts with this shot. 10:52:55- do you know a woman by the name of marie kish? yes. did she attend any of the nights at fusion? yes she did. DEFENSE CONFERS, NOW A SIDEBAR. 10:59:50 - SHOT OF GEORGE AND CINDY IN COURTROOM. 11:04:00 - testimony resumes 11:04:11 - what was her demeanor at fusion? she was partying and having a good time. did she seem upset about anything? no. did she seem happy? yes. 11:04:58 - they both seemed happy with each other. she'd come over and cook dinner for everybody. tony seemed happy and so did she. did you see casey and tony fight? no. did you ever notice casey sad? no. angry? no. depressed? no. withdrawn? no. she was still same. 11:06:08 - were you home July 15? no, I moved out. moved out two weeks before that. 11:07:20 - did you have any further contact with casey? no. did she ever tell you her daughter was kidnapped? no. was she worried about her? no. she needed help? no. NO FURTHER QUESTIONS 11:08:36 - the extent you know casey is a month and a half? yes. and you saw caylee how many times? four or five times. did she have backpack? yes. she would have toys, flashcards with shaped and colors. what other learning tools did you see casey teach caylee. never saw any other learning tools. she did have some dvds she brought over. in this bag you'd see diapers, other snacks? yes sir. did you see caylee malnourished? no sir. neglected? no sir. see casey strike caylee? no sir. treat caylee as a burden? no. would you say she was a good mother? yes I would. 11:10:55 - did you ever seen them go out to the pool? no. were you aware that tony lazarro casey and caylee went to pool on june 2nd? yes. who else was there? no one but them. 11:1:44- you weren't keeping a close eye on casey's computer at any time? no sir. 11:13:30- discussion about fusion, what it is, sushi bar, etc. 11:14:17 - this business with shot girls, that's part of your ambiance? yes. casey wasn't a shot girl, was she? no sir. she volunteered to manage these girls? she wasn't managing anybody. that was me and tony. this was while she was staying with you, rent free? yes. part of pulling her weight helping you financially? yes. cooking? yes. cleaning? yes. trash? no, that was us guys. 11:16:00- casey was a friendly girl? yes. she cared about people? yes. she cared about you? yes. you saw her caring for her child? yes. you found out caylee was dead during that time period? yes, i have. you noticed no change in her behavior from the time period she was a loving and caring mother up until the time caylee was deceased? never saw one change in her. 11:17:00 WITNESS EXCUSED 11:18:30 - MARIA KISSH - LONG DARK HAIR, GRAY BLAZER, BLUE BLOUSE. 11:19:20 - she describes who she is, her job in retail sales, educational background at UF, majored in political science, 2007. employed in 2008. working for man running for county office. paying job. had position in may, june 2008. 11:22:00 - I was introduced through clint. had you already known tony? yes. had you known nathan? yes. you knew all these people but casey was a new person you met? yes. did you meet her daughter? no. at some point did you meet caylee? yes. where? at tony's apartment. what do you recall about meeting her? caylee answered the door by herself. had you seen her before? no sir. did you ask her who she was? I knew who she was and said hi, how are you. when you walking in did you see casey? no. at some point did you see her? I did. where from? tony's room. how much time did you spend with caylee? not long, a half hour. 11:24:20 - was casey anywhere around? I saw her come out of the room for a minute and then she went back into tony's room. 11:24:55 - I ended up sitting on balcony and caylee was out there as well. clint got me and said he was ready to go. I felt uncomfortable. why? I didn't want to leave caylee alone. was it (balcony) screened? yes, it was. OBJECTION. APPROACH. 11:26:27 - SHOT OF GEORGE ANTHONY 11:28:30 - SHOT OF CASEY TALKING WITH FEMALE ATTORNEY 11:30:14 - SHOT OF EVIDENCE, FILES, FILE BOXES 11:33:10 - testimony continues 11:33:23 - right around that time, tony caylee and casey were going to leave as well. so casey and tony came out and casey told caylee to get her shoes on because it was time to leave. that was about it. I saw caylee struggling to put on her shoes and socks so i helped her put on her shoes. was caylee verbal with you? yes. she was. was the plan for all of you to go out together? no. 11:35:10 - after that visit, did you see caylee again? yes sir. how often were you at your boyfriend's? 2 to 3 times a week. did you stay the night? a couple times. when you were there, did you recall a time casey was there? I do. all the time? yes. how did you become aware of that. I talked to clint and he would tell me casey's been there all day. OBJECTION. sustained. 11:36:22- was the defendant there? yes. when you stayed for dinner was she there? yes. how would you describe relationship with casey? we saw each other several times because tony and clint would be together. we didn't have a friendship but it was an acquaintance. 11:37:18 - she said she worked for univeral as an event planner. any other details? no sir. ever tell you her hours? not that i can remember. ever see any ID from universal? no sir. did you question if she workd at universal? no sir. 11:38:10 - spend time with casey outside apartment? yes. what kinds of things? going out at night to bar or club and grabbing a bite to eat. did you see casey and tony together? yes. what were your observations on them as couple? OBJECTION, opinion, overruled. 11:39:08 - They got along well, it seemd to be beneficial for tony. did they appear to like each other? I believe so. 11:39:40 - did you ever see them argue? no. do you know what fusion is? yes. what is it? restaurant slash night club. were you at fusion with boyfriend and casey? yes sir. how many times? one time. 11:40:30 - I went to fusion with casey on June 20th. how do you remember? it was a friday and there was a hot body contest that night. 11:41:10 - what do you recall about hot body contest. objection. sustained. did you witness it? yes sir. did defendant participate? yes sir. what was defendant wearing during contest? she was wearing thin knit dress, blueish color. 11:42:34 - pic of casey and nathan 11:43:00 - based on outfit she appears to be wearing, is this an accurate representation of what she was wearing on june 20, 2008. yes. did you participate? no sir. PIC REPUBLISHED TO JURY 11:44:00 - do you recall any role other than being in hot body contest? yes. what was her role? she was in charge of the shot girls. did you see her interacting with them? i did. did you hear her telling them what they were supposed to do? i did. did you hear her discussing their attire? i can't remember. was there anyting about casey's demeanor that alarmed you? no. did she appear angry or upset? no sir. 11:45:20 - where did you stay that night? at the apartment. did you see casey next morning? yes, in kitchen in the morning. did you have a discussion? yes. I asked her where caylee was. she said she was spending weekend at the beach with the nanny. did she give you nanny's name? no. she told me she paid the nanny 400 dollars a week. 11:46:40 - did you ask casey about caylee's dad? APPROACH OBJECTION OVERRULED 11:48:40- what did casey tell you about caylee's dad? she told me he was deceased. 11:49:20 - what did she tell you her living situation was? that she was going to move into her parent's house and they were giving the house to her and caylee. when? didn't give an exact time, within the next couple of months. did casey ever tell you her daughter was missing? no. kidnapped? no. out looking for her? no. asked for help? no. 11:50:15 - did you ride in her car? yes. when? can't remember exact date. it was while she was staying with them, cling and tony. when you were in the car, who were you with? I was with casey, tony and clint. THANK YOU. CROSS EXAMINATION. 11:51;10 - where did you go in the car? to get something to eat. when you sat in back seat did you smell odor? no sir. clint was in backseat? yes. did he say anything? no sir. did tony say anything? no sir. 11:52:30 - you didn't like her being at house? it didn't bother me. your boyfriend lived at house? correct. and casey was at the same house? correct. it struck you odd she was there all the time? yes sir. you would call your boyfriend when she was there? yes. that didn't bother you? no, it never bothered me at all. END OF QUESTIONING around 11:50am Early Afternoon Session 13:14:12 - defense claims the testimony to the shovel is not relevant. says the shovel is misleading, not related nor tied to the offense. we present motion to exclude mention of shovel 13:16:36 - DENIED - just because you're not contesting does not alleviate state's obligation to prove something. anything else before we bring jury back in. BAEZ - objects again. 13:17:34 - discussion of audio problems. 13:20:11 - JURY RETURNS 13:21:15 STATE CALLS BRIAN BURNER - neighbor with shovel. heavy-set man with blue button down shirt, dark hair. 13:22:08 - do you know george and cindy? I do. how do you know them? neighbors. They are your next door neighbors? correct. when did you move into your home? 2005. when you moved in where the anthonys already living there? yes. was casey living there? yes. Lee? I don't recall. how would you describe your relationship with the anthonys? cordial neighbors. did they go to your house for dinner? no. you to theirs? no. 13:24:04 - are any of your children friends with casey or lee? no. 13:24:20 - week of june 16, 2008. were you in your home at that time? yes. did you take a vacation? I did. June 2008? yes. when did you return home? evening of the 16th. you were home on June 17th? yes. did you see casey? I saw casey's vehicle. it was backing into the garage. had you seen casey drive that car before? yes. did anyone else drive it during this time period? no. 12:26:00 - was car into garage or driveway? into the garage. I could see the front end of garage from our window. Did that seem strange? no. have you seen the car backed into the driveway before? not until that day. do you know how long car was there? no. were you home on the 18th? i was doing yardwork outside. was anyone else outside? no. 13:27:15 - did you see casey? she approached me later in the afternoon? when? around 1:30. why did she approach you? she said she wanted to borrow a shovel to dig up a bamboo root. 13:28:20 - pic of shovel 13:28:30 - is that the shovel you lent to casey? yes. OBJECTION OVERRULED AND IT WILL BE RECEIVED INTO EVIDENCE. 13:29:38 - did you see where she came from? no. had she ever asked to borrow anything before? no. did you have a problem with it? no. I walked around to the shed and gave her the shovel. 13:30:29 - did you see her walking into her home? only into the garage. 13:31:00 - while you were cleaning up did you see casey? no. I put equipment in shed then to see if casey was finished. I then went back into the house. I told my son casey borrowed the shovel and if she knocked on the door to take the shovel from her. 13:31:48 - did you get your shovel back? I did. she knocked on the door an hour after I gave her the shovel. did you notice anything different? no. what did you do? I opened garage door and set it in the garage. did you see defendant leave? no. did you see her white car? where? it was back into the garage. 13:32:50 - did you see casey car again that week? one other time. When? either 19 or 20th. 13:33:45 - did you see car pull into the driveway? the car backed in. did you see anything else? no. do you know how long car stayed there? no. 13:34:25 - other than those three instances in June 2008, did you have contact with casey? no. did you have contact with george? one time ...in July. 13:34:55 - when police arrived, did you go outside? no. did you talk to george? no. Cindy? no. when you saw casey on June 18, 2008, did she tell you her daughter was missing? no. kidnapped? no. that she was looking for her? no. did she tell you anything was wrong with her daughter? no. was she upset? no. sad? no. angry? no. just normal. 13:36:40 - THANK YOU SIR. CROSS EXAMINATION 13:37:03 - you fist gave a statement to law enforce. on July 17, 2008, right when media attention began? yes. you saw police cars next door on the 16th? I believe so. do you recall you gave a statement July 17? it was a Thursday. 13:38:10 - when you spoke with them, you told them you didn't know the date casey had borrowed the shovel but knew it was the week of the 16th? correct. you were called into sheriff's on June 30th? yes. you met with corporal edwards? yes. you then spoke with him a while? correct. that's when you started giving them dates? yes. do you recall if edwards asked you to close your eyes to remember because this was important? yes. did edwards tell you that as time passes you start to remember things. would you agree? to some extent. after you closed your eyes, that's when the dates became clear? no. that's when you told him the dates? no. you're saying as time passed you could recall the dates? correct. 12:41:00 - you wouldn't make it a habit to see how she parked her car? no. you're just the average neighbor? yes. you wouldn't consider yourself a nosy neighbor? no. you wouldn't notice how she parks her car every day? correct. 13:41:50 - when she gave you shovel back it wasn't muddy? no. she didn't look sweaty or digging a ditch? not that I recall. 13:42:30 - you can't offer us anything more than speculation about what she did with shovel? yes. NO FURTHER QUESTIONS REDIRECT 13:43:20 - do you recall telling him you saw a pickup? yes, wasn't sure of the vehicle. what do you recall about the incident? that was the monday the gas cans were taken. I looked out window and saw casey and thought nothing of it. 13:44:00 - where did you see casey? in the driveway. could you hear them speaking? no. there was casey and a man? correct. 13:44:33 - do you recall any other car in driveway? no. in garage? no. 13:45:27 - did you see casey drive away? no. did you hear any noises? no. 13:46:00 - was the white car there? no. RECROSS EXAMINATION 13:46:35 - when you started talking about them it was a month later after they occurred? correct. it's tough to recall everything a month prior? correct. no one told you on that day you should be looking for a certain car? correct. 13:48:35 - the anthony family home would be towards the right? correct. 13:49:03 - the date ...CAN I HAVE JUST A MOMENT? 13:49:35 - you didn't see the male? I saw casey and I saw the male first. any time you saw cars, you never saw anyone driving them? no. any time you saw casey's car you didn't see who was driving? correct. this shovel was then turned into fbi? I believe so. after you made that statement, there were media trucks outside your home? yes. for how long? months. STATE OBJECTS TO RELEVANCE. sustained 13:51:15 - you told mr george casey seemed normal? correct. WITHDRAWN WITNESS EXCUSED. RECESS ? 13:55:55 - shots of EVIDENCE BAGS 13:57:05 - MORE SHOTS OF EVIDENCE BAGS Late Afternoon Session 14:06:58 - testimony resumes JAMIE REALANDER - DARK, RED HAIR, BEIGE SWEATER, RED/ORANGE TOP 14:09:10 - detailing where she went to school and where she was working, rosen hotels, working with golf club at shingle creek. 14:10:11 - how did you first meet casey? I met her through a friend at fusion night club. 14:10:40 - who introduced you to casey? I believe it was my friend jenna prentice. who is she? just a friend at the time. was she an employee at fusion? not at that time? how was casey's demeanor? she was happy, seemd like a nice person to be friends with. was this may 2008? yes. was anything odd or out of place? no. 14:11:53- were you employed at some point at fusion? yes. as what? a shot girl. 14;13:10- directing your attention to june 20, 2008, were you a shot girl? no. june 13th? no. june 27th? yes. did you see casey? yes. what was your understanding of her role? she was the one we'd go to with questions. questions such as? where to be stationed, where to go for information. 14:14:15 - did you attend fusion on June 20, not as a shot girl? yes. do you recall a hot body contest? yes. 14:53:52 - do you see photo on monitor? yes. do you recognize yourself? yes. circle where you are. 14:15:19 - pic at FUSION. do you recognize casey? yes. what is she wearing? a blue dress. 14:15:45 - he circles her dress/pic 14:16:00 - anything out of the ordinary you recall from conversations with casey? no. 14:16:25 - is this pic a fair representation of what you and casey looked like on june 20, 2008? yes. You recognize this to be fusion night club? yes. PIC ADMITTED INTO EVIDECE. BAEZ OBJECTS. OBJECTION OVERRULED. PIC MAY BE PUBLISHED 14:17:30 - was she (casey) upset? no. crying? no. objection, overruled. 14:18:30 - were you talked to about what to wear? I don't know if it was by casey. and when you came to work as a shot girl on the 27th of June, casey more or less passed on what you were wearing? yes. did she give you any tips on what to wear? not directly to me. 14:19:40 -was there ever a problem that occurred? yes. tell us. there was large group of people and someone tried to grab one of the shot girls, scratching her. what did casey do? for our safety, she had us leave for the night. we spoke to her on July 15th. was this conversation in person? over the phone. prior to this conversation, were you aware she jad a daughter? no. did you know if she was in a relationship? yes. with who? anthony lazarro. 14:21:00 - we had a conversation about what she'd be diong that day. she went to her job at universal then pick up her daughter casey (on july 15th). 14:21:45 - did she call her daughter by name? no. did she tell you antying about her daughter? that her birthday was the next month and that I was invited to her birthday party? that you were invited? yes. did you see casey outside fusion? no. any subsequent phone calls? not to my knowledge? ever receive text? yes. the one I remember was the day after her mother reported her missing to cops. CROSS EXAMINATION 14:23:50 - did anything happen that had to do with caylee? no. no one saw her? no. did anything happen that night that had to do with her death? no. 14:24:45 - the casey you knew was a nice person? yes. she treated you with respect? yes. she looked out for you and the other girls? yes. was she considered a big sister? yes. she always made sure we were ok and weren't in harms way at all. 14:25:35 - casey was somewhat of a protector? yes. 14:26:00 - you have no information that helps this jury decide what happened june 16th? no. REDIRECT 14:26:30 - did she tell you her daughter was missing? no, kidnapped? no. needed help? no. did she give you any indication something was wrong? no. ERICA GONZALEZ - DARK LONG BLACK HAIR, BLACK SWEATER/BLAZER 14:29:00 - detailing work history, full time mom, education, location, working at fusion night club, shot girl. 14:30:00 - was that a nightly occurrence? it was once every friday. did you work every friday in june 2008? I believe so. OBJECTION, OVERRULED. 14:30:35- did you come into contact with casey? I did. was this at fusion? it was. did you know her beforehand? I did not. how did you meet? I met her through one of the girls at the night club. 14:31:15 - did you have the opportunity to speak with her? when I was a shot girl I spoke to her many times. 14:31:40 - she was kind of like our manager. we'd tell her what we were wearing and if anything happened, she'd protect us. 14:32:30 - did casey ever tell you what to wear? no. ever make suggestions? no. did you ever speak to casey about things outside fusion? 14:33:16 - from speaking with her did you know where she was living? no. 14:33:44 - do you know ms. realander? I do. did an incident happen that you brought to 14:34:00 - did you know she had a child? yes. how? we were in the bathroom one day and she mentioned her daughter. she was taking care of us and explained she had a daughter. did she tell you anything about her? no. how old? no. her name? no. she was missing? NO. kidnapped? no. actively looking for her? no. anything wrong with her daughter? no. anything going on with her? no. ever see anything in her behavior that would lead you to believe anything was wrong? absolutely not. THANK YOU. CROSS EXAMINATION BACK TO PROSECUTION 14:36:25 - we were talking about dinner with all the shot girls. what else? she was going to call me back so we could meet up. she never called back. said she was heading to airport to pick someone up. did she say who? no. did you learn casey's daughter was missing? yes. what did you do? I heard that night I talked to her. I texted her the next day that if she needed anything let me know. I made flyers for my job. did you get response? she said thank you and that she was worried about caylee. did she say when she saw caylee last? with the nanny. 14:38:45 - did you have any understanding that there was anyone else in car with her? I don't recall. do you recall what your phone number was? yes. may I have it? 321-439-4577. CROSS EXAMINATION 14:40:00 - you stated casey was kind to you? she was. she was nice to you? yes. she looked out for all of you? she did. she talked about her daughter in bathroom? yes. did you see casey drink or get drunk? no. do you have any info as to what may have happened to caylee? as far as? how she died. no. WITNESS EXCUSED. RECESS AT 14:41:50 Late Afternoon Session WITNESS ANTHONY LAZZARO - short dark hair, white shirt, black tie 15:09:40 - when you moved into sutton place who did you live with? cameron. just the two of you for awhile? yes. two of my friends slept on the couch. one was roy house and nathan. did they pay any rent? no, it was just a friendly gesture. 15:10:45 - talks about full sail, college schedule, school open 24-7. 15:11:20 - what was your schedule may june 2008? it wasn't consistent. morning class 9-1 then sometimes an evening lab. 15::12:09- did you receive a computer? yes, macbook pro. as part of your education did you take it upon yourself to put on either shows or do some sort of events? they wanted you to get involved with the other kids because these could be people you'd work with in the music industry. 15:13:00- during may, june 2008, did you try to set up a small business? yes. what did you do? i had experience deejaying. me and clint started our own company doing promotion. did it have a name? we had a bunch of names but it became DBC entertainment. 15:14:15 -when did you start working as deejay? we went to fusion. we met with the owner. we said hey we're deejays, we have experience, if you're interested we could do a party on a friday night. that's basically how that started. 15:15:08 - that started in june. at the same time you were taking classes? yes sir. did you own a car this time period? yes. what kind? 97 jeep grand cherokee. 15:15:50 - may 2008, did there come a time you came in contact with casey? yes sir? how did that start? I met her on facebook, we became friends. I found her through facebook, it shows people in your area, so i sent her a friend request. did she respond immediately? I don't know. 15:17:10 - first time we met in person was at my friend's birthday. his name was dan howard. this was the same time I was starting deejay company around the end of May. I was inviting a ton of people and made it a facebook event. That's when she got back to me to go to the party. 15:18:15 - while you were talking did you learn she had a child? I believe so? did you know her name? I can't recall? do you know how old she was? a toddler 15:18:48 - what were your first impressions? pretty girl. she showed up with bunch of friends. we hit it off. 15:19:20 - did you make plans to see her again? Not that night but shortly after. 15:19:45 - she would come over and show up to my apartment. how often? a couple of times. a week? more or less a couple times a week. 15:20:15- did she bring her daughter? yes. did you two stay at apt. or go out? we went to the pool. she brought her daughter over and we went down by the pool. at your apt. complex? yes sir. do you remember when? I'd say June 2nd. 15:21:06 - do you know what arden villas is? That's not ringing a bell. did you invite her to another party? I remember inviting her to a pool party. did she attend? yes. bring anyone? no. 15:22:00 - aware of her car? yes. what was she driving? white pontiac. on june 4th 2008, did you attend party for troy brown? yes. who went? me, clint and maria. when you went to that party where was it? club voyage. when you went there on the 4th of june, who drove? casey did. what car did you take? her car. was it during this time you first met caylee? yes. did you see her in any other context? yes, when we went to mall of millenia. it was a friday afternoon, I'd say the 13th. 15:24:30 - went to mall to hand out flyers for event. when you did that, was casey with you? no. did she go to mall with you? yes. she and caylee walked around the mall. did you meet up again? yes. we went to cheesecake factory and had a late lunch. how did you get to mall? I believe it was in her car. 15:25:30 - did caylee ever spend the night at your apartment? no sir. 15:25:50 - when casey dropped you off at the apartment, was that the last time you saw caylee? yes sir. 15:26:30- did you go to fusion june 13, 2008. yes sir. did casey attend? yes sir. who hires the shot girls? it was between me and clint and the other two promoters. who would instruct the shot girls? it came down to the owner. 15:27:59 - casey wanted to help out so we said you could tell the shot girls what they needed to know. did she tell them what to wear? I don't recall. 15:28:40 - she had a job at universal studios? did she tell you what she did? something with events. did she ever give you details about the job? throughout the relationship she'd talk abuot specific people. I recall a Jeff, other girls names. did she complain about the job? I can't remember specifics. She might have. see her with ID? she'd walk in apt. with universal badge. did it have pic on it? yes. 15:30;15 - her babysitter and her mother (were taking care of caylee while casey was at work). did she talk to you about the babysitter's name? at that point, zani. this was at begining of relationship? yes. tell you where zani lived? no. any relatives? no. cared for any other kids? no. ever discuss what she paid zani? I don't remember. did she ever tell you when the nanny would take care of her and when her mother would take care of her? it would be either or. 15:32:06 COUNSEL APPROACHES BENCH 10 MINUTE RECESS. 15:40:18 - testimony resumes. 15:42:17- pic of tony and casey. 15:42:30 - was that pic taken in june, 2008? yes sir. can you tell when it was taken? it'd have to be early june when I began promoting ....is that accurate representation of what you both looked like on June 13, 2008? yes sir. 15:43:43 - SIDEBAR shot of george and cindy at 15:46:10 15:48:20 - OBJECTION NOTED AND OVERRULED 15:48:41 - PIC IS PUBLISHED TO THE JURY 15:49:15 - after this showcase, did casey return to your apt? yes. did she stay over? yes. was this the first time she stayed over? I believe so yes, definitely. did there come a time after june 13 that casey began spending more time with you? yes. mid to late june. did she spend every night? yes. 15:50:45 - did you see defendant that day (June 16)? yes. what time? anywhere after 6:30-7. do you recall going to blockbuster? yes. with casey? yes. 15:51:45 - JUDGGE READS: copy of video surveillance at blockbuster are true and accurate represenation. parties have agreed to this fact. should be considered true in your deliberations. you may proceed. 15:52:40 - move DVD of video into evidence. 15:53:30- video published to jury 15:53:39 - shots of video surveillance at blockbuster being shown in court 15:54:30 - did you recognize yourself? yes, that's the marbury jersey. you have your arms around someone? who? casey. this is on june 16, 2008? yes sir. how would you describe her demeanor? the way she was every day. which was? happy ..happy to see me, having a grand old time. did she ever cry? no. act scared? no. nervous? tell you that dauther was missing? no. something wrong with her? no. something happeend to her? no. attitude any different than previous times you had seen her? no.did she stay over that night? yes sir. from there on did she stay with you? yes. 15:56:51- any toiletries for caylee? no. do you recall her talking to caylee on phone? not taht I recall. her parents? any time she talked on phone she went outside. on this night, did she call anyone? no. on june 16th,this was a new relationship? yes. did you care for her? yes. it was going well? yes. any fights? no. disagreements? no. She stayed that night, correct? yes. the following day did you spend with her? yes, I played hookey. why? didn't feel like leaving my home. you spent you day with Casey? yes. what was your phone number? i've changed it so many times, I can't remember. It was an ATT. 15:59:20 - on june 17th you play hookey? yes. what did you do? stayed in my room. any change in casey's behavior? no. did she give you any indication anything wrong? no. say antying about her daughter? no. do you recall if she ever called anyone in your presence? not in my presence. you spend the entire day and night with her june 17? yes sir. how about june 18? I went to class. what was casey doing? going to work, going to see caylee, wherever she had to go. did she tell you where she'd go? no. you understood she had a job? yes. 16:01:25 - on june 19 did you go looking for apt? yes. did you go with casey? yes. 16:01:58 -who were you planning on living with? nathan and brian. did you bring defendant? yes. did you both look at it? no. she didn't have ID on her. during this time period, where was casey living? she was living at home, she was always talking about taking the anthony's home because they were going to move out. 16:03:37 - the defendant was goin gto live with amy, either in another home or apt? yes. did she say anything about her dad? not at that time? her mother? not that I can recall at that time. Right now everything's pretty good? yes sir. 16:04:15 - by the 18th of june were you sharing any of your secrets? not that I recall. June 20th, did you go to fusion again? yes sir. another hip hop showcase? did casey go with you? yes sir. did anything different happen? yes, there was a hot body contest. promoted beforehand? I can't recall but it was a last minute decision. when you got there, were there enough to have a contest? more or less. At some point did casey particpate? yes. who asked her to participate? I wasn't present. she told me about it. any objections to it? I can't recall, I maybe hestitated for a second. 16:06:45 - since this is your showcase, what is your role? my role is to make sure nothing got out of hand. that was basically it. 16:07:55 - do you recognize that photo? yes. what is it? the hot body contest? do you recogize casey? yes. what is she wearing? a blue dress. you were present while this was going on? yes. a fair and accurate representation of contest? yes sir. MOVE INTO EVIDENCE. BAEZ OBJECTS. OVERRULED. RECEIVED INTO EVIDENCE. PUBLISHED TO JURY. 16:10:00 - any diffrence in casey's behavior? no sir. any time did she tell you caylee is missing? no sir. kidnapped? no sir. actively looking for her? no sir. ask you for help? no. she needed help? something had happened to her? no. 16:11:22- was showcase a success? yes. defendant came home with you? yes sir. June 23rd, was there a time casey told you she had run out of gas? yes sir. what time? mid to late afternoon. where you in class? I was at home. what did she tell you? she ran out of gas and needed to be picked up. did she sound scared? no. frantic? no. worried? no. I went to where she was an picked her up. 16:13:16 - did you talk to her on phone while going to meet her? yes. did she have anything with her? a backpack. had you seen it before? I can't remember. where did you go? she said she had gas at her house. had you been to her house? no. did she direct you? yes. Parked in driveway. where there any cars in driveway? no. where did you go? to her backyard. did you go into garage? yes. how did you get in? she opened it. 16:14:38 - when door opened, any cars in garage? no. did you go in anthony home? we went to back yard. did you recall being inside home? I don't recall. you went to side of house? we went to the shed. we had to open it. that;s where gas cans werre. we broke lock with tire iron from my truck. were you concerned? yes. she said it's ok it's my shed. 16:16:08 - did you break the lock? yes. how many gas cans did you take? two. what did you do with them? put them in the truck and she directed me to her car. who put gas into car? casey did. after, what did she do with cans? she put them in trunk. what kind of car? white pontiac. when she opened the trunk could you see inside? no. where did you go? back to my apt. did casey express concern with breaking into shed? no. did her mood change? no. was she ok? yes. 16:18:04 - what happened when she took a phone call? she'd go outside. 16:18:25 - did you find it odd she'd leave every time she took a phone call? yes and no. i thought it'd be a private matter with her mom. was there a change in mood? no. ever give you any details? no. did casey ever say to you I'm going to call the babysitter? yes. did she dial a phone? she'd grab phone and go outside. did she tell you about arguments with mom? I don't remember anything specific. did her mood change after talking with mom? no, not drastically. did she give you details? no, it wasn't my business. 16:20:20 - did she give you any indication about home life? after I got back from NY. Gone June 30 to 5th july. 16:21:25 - did she tell you where she was? at an amscot. where? end of goldenrod road. did you pick her up? yes. did yo get out of car? no. was she in car? outside of car. did she have anything in her hands? bags or groceries. what did she have? groceries. when she got in car, did she have anger about running out of gas? she said the car broke down and my father will look at it. 16:23:10 - what did casey say when you offered help? that her father would take care of it. after you picked her up did you go to apt.? yes. drop off groceries? yes. did you go to fashion square mall later that day? yes. 16:24:20 - COPY OF VIDEO SURVEILLANCE FROM JC PENNEY. SUBMITTED INTO EVIDENCE. PUBLISHED TO JURY. 16:25:50 - VIDEO SHOWN TO JURY AND IN COURT 16:27:17 - do you recognize yourself? yes. how about casey is she there? yes. 16:27:55 - more shots of video 16:28:57 - I take it you drove to the mall? yes sir. did you ever see that car again? no. did you buy anything at the mall? did I personally? no. June 27, did you go to fusion again? yes. another showcase? yes. did casey go with you? yes sir. 16:29:57 - do you recognize that photo? yes. who is that? myself and casey anthony. when was it taken? june 27th. 16:30:57 - is this accurate representation of what you and casey looked like on june 27th? yes. BAEZ OBJECTS. OVERRULED. RECEIVED INTO EVIDENCE. 16:31:47 - on this night, was there any change in casey's demeanor? no sir. was she upset? no sir. angry? no sir. sad? no sir. her daughter was missing? no sir. kidnapped? no sir. she needed help? no sir. 16:32:45- what date did you leave for vacation? the 30th of june. how did you get to airport? casey drove me and cameron to the airport. how did you get to airport? in my jeep. did you drive? yes. what was the plan for the car? casey was supposed to drop it off at sutton place. 16:33:48 - did you agree to let her use your car? no. did you talk abuot the status of her car? yes. her dad was supposed to take is someplace ...mechanic or dealership. her father was taking care of it. 16:34:36 - is casey in this court? yes. what is she wearing? she's wearing a blue blouse. THANK YOU YOUR HONOR. WITNESS IS SUBJECT TO RECALL. CROSS EXAMINATION. 16:35:52 - you realize casey is standing trial on a death penalty case? yes. did she talk about murders she committed? no. did she borrow duct tape? no. get any weapons? no. what about the second photo. did she talk about murdering anyone? no. murdering caylee? no. any weapons? no. borrow any knives and guns? no. borrow anything she could use to commit a murder? no. what about JC Penny. buy any duct tape? no. plastic bags? no. weapons? no. 16:39:00 -you had no issues dating a girl with a child? no. you liked caylee? yes. did casey be attentive to caylee? yes. did she neglect her? no. go without food? no. wearing dirty clothes? no. most of interaction was that she was a good mother? yes. 16:40:03 - on june 2nd you went to pool? yes. did casey discipline caylee? not that I recall. Do you recall by the pool where she raised her voice? not by the pool. do you recall that at all? no. if i show you your statement on september 18, 2008, would that help? sure. 16:42:02 - tell jury what happened? she was going near pool, didn;t want her to go near pool. what did casey do? what any mother would do, stop her from getting near the pool. did caylee enjoy the pool? yes. you saw that? yes. 16:43:15 - there was a secret she shared, right? yes. OBJECT. sustained on heresay. SIDEBAR. 16:44:30 - OBJECTION SUSTAINED. 16:45:00 - you were cooperative with law enforcement? yes sir. the only people you talked to was law enforcement? yes sir. you wouldn't speak to defense? you cooperated with their every request? yes. you allowed them to tap your phone? yes. you wore a wire? yes. 16:46:00 - you never made any statements to media? no. you never sold any photos or made money off this case? no sir. 16:46:40 - the first time casey ran out of gas, you had to break into the shed? yes. Could she have broken in? she could have. 16:47:28 - at that point, you drove to her car? yes. did she say stay away from the car? no. was she blocking you in any way? no. did she tell you to stay away? no. when she poured the gas into tank, you were standing next to her? right. how far is trunk, a few feet away? more than two feet. 16:48:51 - after she poured gas can in, she opened trunk? no. at any time did you smell any stench in that car? no sir. but I wasn't in the car. 16;51:01 - do you recall if you saw lining of trunk? no sir. baez shows him statement from october 2008. 16:51:45 - when she opened trunk, you could see liner? yes. on the edge of the car. the second time she ran out of gas, she told you she ran out of gas? yes. I said broke down meaning she ran out of gas. on the 27th of june, you came because she ran out of gas? yes. I was just offering help in general. 16:53:10 - baez wants to introduce photo after talking about hardship for lazzaro to return to testify. 17:02:15 - you can't introduce those now. read the ID numbers into the record just so we know what you're talking about. 17:03:15 - when you went to pick up casey at amscot, her car was in a parking spot, right? it was cockeyed. it was at goldenrod? where goldenrod meets colonial. 17:04:38 - you can approach witness but don't expose it to jury 17:07:50 - WE WILL COME BACK TOMORROW. RECESS FOR THE EVENING.
CASEY ANTHONY TRIAL / ISO P3
FTG FOR COVERAGE OF THE CASEY ANTHONY MURDER TRIAL / DAY 2 OF TRIAL / CASEY ISO CAM Early Morning Session 9:01:03 - I'm not going to have a jury waiting around as you search for files. How much time do need to search for a file? if you continue this you'll be working Sundays to. You need to put your heads together. there's be a 10 minute recess. SESSION RESUMES AT 9:14:50 - Cameron Campana called to stand - lond dark hair, wearing dark colored shirt. 9:16:11 - 2007 to 2009, almost three years. did you graduate from full sail? yes, 9:16:30 - what do you currently do? I'm a club promoter in cleveland 9;16:45- sutton place apartments, I forget which apartment number. I lived with Anthony Lazarro. It was a two bedroom, two bathroom apartment, maybe one thousand square feet. 9:18:26 - at one point you had four men living in this apartment? yes. 9:18:55 - directing your attention to May, June, 2008. can you tell me your school schedule? 9:19:54 - SIDEBAR 9:21:50- did your classes also entail working? no. after you went to classes from 1-9, you were done? yes. 9:22:34 - we started at the same time, we were on different schedules. did you have the occassion to meet casey. 9:23:04- I met her through anthony lazarro after a birthday party, May 24th or around that date. 9:23:32- she was just a regular 22 year old girl, happy, just seemed normal. just your average 22 year old. 9:24:12- the middle of June, 2008 (casey started staying with them) 9:24:30- I would see har daily once she would start staying with us. outside the apartent, 2 or 3 times. 9:24:55 - about four times maybe three (met caylee). either in lazarro's room or in lving room watching tv 9:25:33- Caylee never spent the night at the apartment. 9:25:58 - she had mentioned to us she worked for universal as an event coordinator. she would talk about her job every now and them. she had mentioned picking up tickets for a batman premeiere. she'd say work was stressing her out. she told anthony she was going to get red carpet tickets for the premeier but it never happened. 9:28:20 - she told us she was looking for an apartment with amy. had you met her? i believe once. 9:29:05 - did you ever see defendant getting ready to go to work? no. 9:29:20 - when she started living with you did you ever see caylee again? I believe once. we had asked and one time she said she was going to universal with the nanny. the other time she was going to cocoa beach for a birthday party. 9:30:03 - she said she'd talk to caylee on the phone. 9:30:21- did you ever hear her on the phone talking to her daughter? no. did you hear her talking to the nanny? no. did you ever hear her on the phone? she'd step outside and talk. she'd go out by the pond out back. when she came back to the apartment did she tell you who she was talking to? I asked her why she always went out side and she said it was her time to vent. 9:31:50- who was doing the cooking? everyone would do their part. she'd started cooking and buying groceries. 9:32:28 - it was mostly her laundry, sometimes anthony's and I think one time she did mine. she helped clean, we all helped keep it. 9:33:15- did you have a computer? yes, macbook pro. did your roomates have computer? yes. did you see the defendant with a compyuter? yes. did you see her using it? yes. Did you ever use it? no. did she ever ask to borrow your computer? no. anyone else? no. 9:34:11 - she seemed just the same, nothing had changed. she was happy. seemed excited about life. did you ever socailize outsid the apartment? one or two times. 9:34:51- have you ever heard of fusion. 9:35:55- have you ever met george or cindy anthony? no 9:36:11 - did you see any clothing that belonged to caylee? only when she brought her over. did you see it after she started living with you? not that I saw. any stuffed animals? no. 9:37:00- did she ever tell you her daughter was missing? no. that she'd been kidnapped? no. did she ever ask you for help in finding caylee? no. are you aware of an incident July 15 when the defendants mother came to your apartment? I had class and anthony told me what happened. 9:38:10 - had you ever met lee anthony before? no. what did you tell him? I was sorry about what had happened. how did he seem? he seemed calm but at the same time he was worried. he came and picked up a bag of clothes casey had in anthony's room. did you have any contact with defendant after that night? no. lee anthony? no. 9:39;15 - NO FURTHER QUESTIONS, CROSS EXAMINATION BEGINS 9:39:36- were you in casey's home, June, 2008, when caylee drowned? no. end of questions. NEXT WITNESS - NATHAN LEZNIEWICZ - buzz cut, tan shirt 9:41:28 - Nathan Lezniewicz called to stand 94:2:33 - lived in Orlando, going to full sail university for audio engineering. attended for a year and half. attained no degree. currently in band in Vero Beach, also played in bands while attending full sail. 9:43:40 - first started living with Tony Lazarro at end of May 2008. slept on couch, planned on staying for about a month once lease ended 9:44:30 - school schedule for month of June was 9-5. no work outside of school at time. left town a lot. 9:45:08 - how did you first meet Casey Anthony? the drummer of my band, Daniel Howard, had a birthday party which is where Tony and Casey first met. She seemed like a normal 22 year old girl. She was outgoing. 9:46:04 - where did you first meet Caylee? at my apartment 9:46:39 - did she ever spend the night? did casey or caylee ever spend the night? no sir. did there ever come a time she stayed every day? when? third and fourth week of june her staying over picked up quite a bit. 9:47:25 - did she every tell you about her employment? she said she was employed at universal. did you ever see ID badge? no sir. did she ever talk about her work? once in a while. The only thing she talkd about a batman premiere. 9:48:30 - did she ever complain about her work? no sir 9:48:45 - while you were getting ready for school, was she getting ready for work? she was getting ready also and I assumed that's where she was going. 9:49:22- did you spend time alone with her? yes sir. what did you do? hang out, watch tv. was Tony's other roommate, from Ft. Pierce, was in a band, travelled a 9:45:18 - first met casey when drummer in his band had a bday party. Casey was there. That's where tony met her. 9:45:44 - she seemed like a normal girl 9:51:10 - typically she was with the nanny, out doing things. was there anything about casey's demeanor that made you qeustion what she was telling you? no sir. 9:51:50- did she tell you about her parents? not much. when she had a conversation with her parents, she'd leave the apartment because she didn't want us to hear them. did you ever hear here speaking to her daughter? no sir. the nanny? no sir. 9:52:53- did you ever get near car? no sir. did she tell you she was having car trouble? just one morning when she broke down near the amscot. 9:53:40 - what did she do while in the apartment? did she cook? yes. did she clean? yes. did she do the laundry? no, not mine. where did you socialize? fusion nightclub, mostly friday evenings. were there any things going on friday nights? 9:54:44 - how many times were you at fusion with casey? two or three times maybe. 9:56:20 - pic of casey with NATHAN 9:56:40- when you were at fusion did she participate in a contest? yes. what was that contest? a hot body contest. 9:57:30- where was that photo taken? at fusion. was this during June, 2008? yes sir. BAEZ ASKS FOR SIDEBAR, JUDGE SAYS Not at this point. 9:58:16 - photo admitted into evidence. 9:58:34 - SIDEBAR AGAIN. 10:02:58 - JUDGE ALLOWS PHOTO TO BE PUBLISHED TO JURY 10:03:20 - she always seemed like she was having a good time. she's an outgoing personality. at any time she was living with you, did you ever see her distraught? no sir. depressed? no sir. scared? no sir. angry? no sir. did she ever tell you her daughter was missing? no sir. her daughter was kidnapped? no sir. did she ever ask for help in trying to find her? no sir. 10:05:03 - during this time period, was there anything about her demeanor that gave you concern? no sir. when there was a knock on the door, there was a blond girl there I didn't recognize. casey stepped outside and closed the door. she came back inside with her mother and amy huizinga. did you see casey come back after she left with the blond gir? yes. what happened? she was in an argument with cindy and cindy told her to get her stuff and go. did she go outside? yes sir. did she come back? no. did you ever see her again? no. did you speak with her on the phone. no sir. 10:06:51 - we were confused. we didn't know what was going on. we thought it was just something between her, her mother and roommmate. 10:07:30 - lee felt bad for us and said his sister was known to get into trouble ...objection, sustained. 10:08:12- were you visited by law enforcement? yes. how many times? twice. 100900 - did law enforcement question you about amy? no. how long were they there? about five minutes, just enough to collect cell phone. 10:09:46 - what did police do the second time? they searched the apartment. how long where they there? maybe 20-25 minutes. did they take items with them? I do not recall. 10:10:15 =- did you see any clothing belonging to caylee? no sir. any stuffed animals? no sir. NO FURTHER QUESTIONS CROSS EXAMINATION 10:11:12 - you saw caylee how many times? two to three. did she look hungry? no. well fed? yes. did casey seem attentive? yes. 10:12:10 - looking back at casey's behavior, there was no indication that caylee was dead? no sir. there was no signs in any way shape or form? no sir. 10:13:07 - she didn't park 50 yards away where no other cars were parked? no sir. I have no further questions. 10:13:30 - were you present on june 2008 when caylee drowned in the pool? no sir. SIR YOU MAY STAND DOWN. BREAK Late Morning Session TESTIMONY RESUMES AT 10:36:09 STATE CALLS ROY HAUSE GOES BY CLINT - short dark hair, blue button down. 10:39:04 - where do you live? jacksonville, sir. was there a time you lived in orlando? yes sir. when? 2007-2009. what were you studying there? recording arts to engineer and produce music. how long were you there? 10 months. did you get a degree? no. 10:39:56 - where did you live? with tony and cam. what time period in 2008? I was only there a few months. I moved in the end of April and moved out June, 2008. 10:40:43- do you recall during that time period you were at school? I'd be there from 1am to 5am, sometimes 1pm to 5pm. 10:41:20 - did you meet casey? yes I did. do you recall where? tony and I met her at a party. 10:41:56 - she seemed like a fun party girl who'd get along with our group of friends. 10:42:30 - did you ever meet caylee? yes. where? at the sutton place apartments. how many times? four or five times. did caylee ever stayed over? no she never stayed over? did there come a times casey started staying full time? yes. when? middle of June she started spending most of the nights there. did you mind? no, not at all? was this a big apartment? no, we were all kind of crammed in there. 10:43:55 - did casey ever tell you about her employment? she said she worked at universal. did you ever see credentials? no. did she complain about it? no. 10:44:41 - she didn't talk about her work all that much. 10:44:55- when she started staying full time, did you ever see caylee? when she started aying on regular basis we stopped seeing caylee. did you ask her about caylee? yes. she said she was with the nanny. did she indicate nanny was local? yes. did she indicate caylee was anywhere but orlando? no. did it seem odd child was always with nanny. objection. did you question her about where caylee was? i asked her where caylee was and she said she was with the nanny. was there any concern in her voice? no. did she appear worried about where caylee was? no. did she seem sad about not seeing her? her demeanor never changed. 10:47:10 - did you also had a laptop? yes. did casey have a laptop? yes. what kind? hp. did you ever use her computer? no. did she ever use yours? no. did she ever use anyone's but her own? no. while she was staying with you, were you ever present when she spoke on the phone? yes. to whom was she speaking? she'd always walk outside and was either on phone with nanny or her mother. was there any change in her demeanor? no. did she appear nervous? no sir. scared? no sir. 10:48:52- did you see her on daily basis at this time? yes. where did you recall going with her? every friday night we had our own promotional night at fusion and she'd come every friday. she'd try to help us bring people out. when you say she helped bring people out, what do you mean? because she was tony's girlfriend, she'd tell her friends to come out using facebook, myspace, texts. 10:50:29 - none of her friends ever came. 10:50:40 - did casey participate in those events? yes. what role did she play? she was in a couple contests I hosted. she was in a hot body contest, she would mingle with the crowd. 10:51:40 - did casey have anything to do with selecting shot girls? no. did she have anything to do with how they dressed? she'd give them some tidbits but I was telling the girls what they needed to wear. she would say maybe they should wear these shorts with this shot. 10:52:55- do you know a woman by the name of marie kish? yes. did she attend any of the nights at fusion? yes she did. DEFENSE CONFERS, NOW A SIDEBAR. 10:59:50 - SHOT OF GEORGE AND CINDY IN COURTROOM. 11:04:00 - testimony resumes 11:04:11 - what was her demeanor at fusion? she was partying and having a good time. did she seem upset about anything? no. did she seem happy? yes. 11:04:58 - they both seemed happy with each other. she'd come over and cook dinner for everybody. tony seemed happy and so did she. did you see casey and tony fight? no. did you ever notice casey sad? no. angry? no. depressed? no. withdrawn? no. she was still same. 11:06:08 - were you home July 15? no, I moved out. moved out two weeks before that. 11:07:20 - did you have any further contact with casey? no. did she ever tell you her daughter was kidnapped? no. was she worried about her? no. she needed help? no. NO FURTHER QUESTIONS 11:08:36 - the extent you know casey is a month and a half? yes. and you saw caylee how many times? four or five times. did she have backpack? yes. she would have toys, flashcards with shaped and colors. what other learning tools did you see casey teach caylee. never saw any other learning tools. she did have some dvds she brought over. in this bag you'd see diapers, other snacks? yes sir. did you see caylee malnourished? no sir. neglected? no sir. see casey strike caylee? no sir. treat caylee as a burden? no. would you say she was a good mother? yes I would. 11:10:55 - did you ever seen them go out to the pool? no. were you aware that tony lazarro casey and caylee went to pool on june 2nd? yes. who else was there? no one but them. 11:1:44- you weren't keeping a close eye on casey's computer at any time? no sir. 11:13:30- discussion about fusion, what it is, sushi bar, etc. 11:14:17 - this business with shot girls, that's part of your ambiance? yes. casey wasn't a shot girl, was she? no sir. she volunteered to manage these girls? she wasn't managing anybody. that was me and tony. this was while she was staying with you, rent free? yes. part of pulling her weight helping you financially? yes. cooking? yes. cleaning? yes. trash? no, that was us guys. 11:16:00- casey was a friendly girl? yes. she cared about people? yes. she cared about you? yes. you saw her caring for her child? yes. you found out caylee was dead during that time period? yes, i have. you noticed no change in her behavior from the time period she was a loving and caring mother up until the time caylee was deceased? never saw one change in her. 11:17:00 WITNESS EXCUSED 11:18:30 - MARIA KISSH - LONG DARK HAIR, GRAY BLAZER, BLUE BLOUSE. 11:19:20 - she describes who she is, her job in retail sales, educational background at UF, majored in political science, 2007. employed in 2008. working for man running for county office. paying job. had position in may, june 2008. 11:22:00 - I was introduced through clint. had you already known tony? yes. had you known nathan? yes. you knew all these people but casey was a new person you met? yes. did you meet her daughter? no. at some point did you meet caylee? yes. where? at tony's apartment. what do you recall about meeting her? caylee answered the door by herself. had you seen her before? no sir. did you ask her who she was? I knew who she was and said hi, how are you. when you walking in did you see casey? no. at some point did you see her? I did. where from? tony's room. how much time did you spend with caylee? not long, a half hour. 11:24:20 - was casey anywhere around? I saw her come out of the room for a minute and then she went back into tony's room. 11:24:55 - I ended up sitting on balcony and caylee was out there as well. clint got me and said he was ready to go. I felt uncomfortable. why? I didn't want to leave caylee alone. was it (balcony) screened? yes, it was. OBJECTION. APPROACH. 11:26:27 - SHOT OF GEORGE ANTHONY 11:28:30 - SHOT OF CASEY TALKING WITH FEMALE ATTORNEY 11:30:14 - SHOT OF EVIDENCE, FILES, FILE BOXES 11:33:10 - testimony continues 11:33:23 - right around that time, tony caylee and casey were going to leave as well. so casey and tony came out and casey told caylee to get her shoes on because it was time to leave. that was about it. I saw caylee struggling to put on her shoes and socks so i helped her put on her shoes. was caylee verbal with you? yes. she was. was the plan for all of you to go out together? no. 11:35:10 - after that visit, did you see caylee again? yes sir. how often were you at your boyfriend's? 2 to 3 times a week. did you stay the night? a couple times. when you were there, did you recall a time casey was there? I do. all the time? yes. how did you become aware of that. I talked to clint and he would tell me casey's been there all day. OBJECTION. sustained. 11:36:22- was the defendant there? yes. when you stayed for dinner was she there? yes. how would you describe relationship with casey? we saw each other several times because tony and clint would be together. we didn't have a friendship but it was an acquaintance. 11:37:18 - she said she worked for univeral as an event planner. any other details? no sir. ever tell you her hours? not that i can remember. ever see any ID from universal? no sir. did you question if she workd at universal? no sir. 11:38:10 - spend time with casey outside apartment? yes. what kinds of things? going out at night to bar or club and grabbing a bite to eat. did you see casey and tony together? yes. what were your observations on them as couple? OBJECTION, opinion, overruled. 11:39:08 - They got along well, it seemd to be beneficial for tony. did they appear to like each other? I believe so. 11:39:40 - did you ever see them argue? no. do you know what fusion is? yes. what is it? restaurant slash night club. were you at fusion with boyfriend and casey? yes sir. how many times? one time. 11:40:30 - I went to fusion with casey on June 20th. how do you remember? it was a friday and there was a hot body contest that night. 11:41:10 - what do you recall about hot body contest. objection. sustained. did you witness it? yes sir. did defendant participate? yes sir. what was defendant wearing during contest? she was wearing thin knit dress, blueish color. 11:42:34 - pic of casey and nathan 11:43:00 - based on outfit she appears to be wearing, is this an accurate representation of what she was wearing on june 20, 2008. yes. did you participate? no sir. PIC REPUBLISHED TO JURY 11:44:00 - do you recall any role other than being in hot body contest? yes. what was her role? she was in charge of the shot girls. did you see her interacting with them? i did. did you hear her telling them what they were supposed to do? i did. did you hear her discussing their attire? i can't remember. was there anyting about casey's demeanor that alarmed you? no. did she appear angry or upset? no sir. 11:45:20 - where did you stay that night? at the apartment. did you see casey next morning? yes, in kitchen in the morning. did you have a discussion? yes. I asked her where caylee was. she said she was spending weekend at the beach with the nanny. did she give you nanny's name? no. she told me she paid the nanny 400 dollars a week. 11:46:40 - did you ask casey about caylee's dad? APPROACH OBJECTION OVERRULED 11:48:40- what did casey tell you about caylee's dad? she told me he was deceased. 11:49:20 - what did she tell you her living situation was? that she was going to move into her parent's house and they were giving the house to her and caylee. when? didn't give an exact time, within the next couple of months. did casey ever tell you her daughter was missing? no. kidnapped? no. out looking for her? no. asked for help? no. 11:50:15 - did you ride in her car? yes. when? can't remember exact date. it was while she was staying with them, cling and tony. when you were in the car, who were you with? I was with casey, tony and clint. THANK YOU. CROSS EXAMINATION. 11:51;10 - where did you go in the car? to get something to eat. when you sat in back seat did you smell odor? no sir. clint was in backseat? yes. did he say anything? no sir. did tony say anything? no sir. 11:52:30 - you didn't like her being at house? it didn't bother me. your boyfriend lived at house? correct. and casey was at the same house? correct. it struck you odd she was there all the time? yes sir. you would call your boyfriend when she was there? yes. that didn't bother you? no, it never bothered me at all. END OF QUESTIONING around 11:50am Early Afternoon Session 13:14:12 - defense claims the testimony to the shovel is not relevant. says the shovel is misleading, not related nor tied to the offense. we present motion to exclude mention of shovel 13:16:36 - DENIED - just because you're not contesting does not alleviate state's obligation to prove something. anything else before we bring jury back in. BAEZ - objects again. 13:17:34 - discussion of audio problems. 13:20:11 - JURY RETURNS 13:21:15 STATE CALLS BRIAN BURNER - neighbor with shovel. heavy-set man with blue button down shirt, dark hair. 13:22:08 - do you know george and cindy? I do. how do you know them? neighbors. They are your next door neighbors? correct. when did you move into your home? 2005. when you moved in where the anthonys already living there? yes. was casey living there? yes. Lee? I don't recall. how would you describe your relationship with the anthonys? cordial neighbors. did they go to your house for dinner? no. you to theirs? no. 13:24:04 - are any of your children friends with casey or lee? no. 13:24:20 - week of june 16, 2008. were you in your home at that time? yes. did you take a vacation? I did. June 2008? yes. when did you return home? evening of the 16th. you were home on June 17th? yes. did you see casey? I saw casey's vehicle. it was backing into the garage. had you seen casey drive that car before? yes. did anyone else drive it during this time period? no. 12:26:00 - was car into garage or driveway? into the garage. I could see the front end of garage from our window. Did that seem strange? no. have you seen the car backed into the driveway before? not until that day. do you know how long car was there? no. were you home on the 18th? i was doing yardwork outside. was anyone else outside? no. 13:27:15 - did you see casey? she approached me later in the afternoon? when? around 1:30. why did she approach you? she said she wanted to borrow a shovel to dig up a bamboo root. 13:28:20 - pic of shovel 13:28:30 - is that the shovel you lent to casey? yes. OBJECTION OVERRULED AND IT WILL BE RECEIVED INTO EVIDENCE. 13:29:38 - did you see where she came from? no. had she ever asked to borrow anything before? no. did you have a problem with it? no. I walked around to the shed and gave her the shovel. 13:30:29 - did you see her walking into her home? only into the garage. 13:31:00 - while you were cleaning up did you see casey? no. I put equipment in shed then to see if casey was finished. I then went back into the house. I told my son casey borrowed the shovel and if she knocked on the door to take the shovel from her. 13:31:48 - did you get your shovel back? I did. she knocked on the door an hour after I gave her the shovel. did you notice anything different? no. what did you do? I opened garage door and set it in the garage. did you see defendant leave? no. did you see her white car? where? it was back into the garage. 13:32:50 - did you see casey car again that week? one other time. When? either 19 or 20th. 13:33:45 - did you see car pull into the driveway? the car backed in. did you see anything else? no. do you know how long car stayed there? no. 13:34:25 - other than those three instances in June 2008, did you have contact with casey? no. did you have contact with george? one time ...in July. 13:34:55 - when police arrived, did you go outside? no. did you talk to george? no. Cindy? no. when you saw casey on June 18, 2008, did she tell you her daughter was missing? no. kidnapped? no. that she was looking for her? no. did she tell you anything was wrong with her daughter? no. was she upset? no. sad? no. angry? no. just normal. 13:36:40 - THANK YOU SIR. CROSS EXAMINATION 13:37:03 - you fist gave a statement to law enforce. on July 17, 2008, right when media attention began? yes. you saw police cars next door on the 16th? I believe so. do you recall you gave a statement July 17? it was a Thursday. 13:38:10 - when you spoke with them, you told them you didn't know the date casey had borrowed the shovel but knew it was the week of the 16th? correct. you were called into sheriff's on June 30th? yes. you met with corporal edwards? yes. you then spoke with him a while? correct. that's when you started giving them dates? yes. do you recall if edwards asked you to close your eyes to remember because this was important? yes. did edwards tell you that as time passes you start to remember things. would you agree? to some extent. after you closed your eyes, that's when the dates became clear? no. that's when you told him the dates? no. you're saying as time passed you could recall the dates? correct. 12:41:00 - you wouldn't make it a habit to see how she parked her car? no. you're just the average neighbor? yes. you wouldn't consider yourself a nosy neighbor? no. you wouldn't notice how she parks her car every day? correct. 13:41:50 - when she gave you shovel back it wasn't muddy? no. she didn't look sweaty or digging a ditch? not that I recall. 13:42:30 - you can't offer us anything more than speculation about what she did with shovel? yes. NO FURTHER QUESTIONS REDIRECT 13:43:20 - do you recall telling him you saw a pickup? yes, wasn't sure of the vehicle. what do you recall about the incident? that was the monday the gas cans were taken. I looked out window and saw casey and thought nothing of it. 13:44:00 - where did you see casey? in the driveway. could you hear them speaking? no. there was casey and a man? correct. 13:44:33 - do you recall any other car in driveway? no. in garage? no. 13:45:27 - did you see casey drive away? no. did you hear any noises? no. 13:46:00 - was the white car there? no. RECROSS EXAMINATION 13:46:35 - when you started talking about them it was a month later after they occurred? correct. it's tough to recall everything a month prior? correct. no one told you on that day you should be looking for a certain car? correct. 13:48:35 - the anthony family home would be towards the right? correct. 13:49:03 - the date ...CAN I HAVE JUST A MOMENT? 13:49:35 - you didn't see the male? I saw casey and I saw the male first. any time you saw cars, you never saw anyone driving them? no. any time you saw casey's car you didn't see who was driving? correct. this shovel was then turned into fbi? I believe so. after you made that statement, there were media trucks outside your home? yes. for how long? months. STATE OBJECTS TO RELEVANCE. sustained 13:51:15 - you told mr george casey seemed normal? correct. WITHDRAWN WITNESS EXCUSED. RECESS ? 13:55:55 - shots of EVIDENCE BAGS 13:57:05 - MORE SHOTS OF EVIDENCE BAGS Late Afternoon Session 14:06:58 - testimony resumes JAMIE REALANDER - DARK, RED HAIR, BEIGE SWEATER, RED/ORANGE TOP 14:09:10 - detailing where she went to school and where she was working, rosen hotels, working with golf club at shingle creek. 14:10:11 - how did you first meet casey? I met her through a friend at fusion night club. 14:10:40 - who introduced you to casey? I believe it was my friend jenna prentice. who is she? just a friend at the time. was she an employee at fusion? not at that time? how was casey's demeanor? she was happy, seemd like a nice person to be friends with. was this may 2008? yes. was anything odd or out of place? no. 14:11:53- were you employed at some point at fusion? yes. as what? a shot girl. 14;13:10- directing your attention to june 20, 2008, were you a shot girl? no. june 13th? no. june 27th? yes. did you see casey? yes. what was your understanding of her role? she was the one we'd go to with questions. questions such as? where to be stationed, where to go for information. 14:14:15 - did you attend fusion on June 20, not as a shot girl? yes. do you recall a hot body contest? yes. 14:53:52 - do you see photo on monitor? yes. do you recognize yourself? yes. circle where you are. 14:15:19 - pic at FUSION. do you recognize casey? yes. what is she wearing? a blue dress. 14:15:45 - he circles her dress/pic 14:16:00 - anything out of the ordinary you recall from conversations with casey? no. 14:16:25 - is this pic a fair representation of what you and casey looked like on june 20, 2008? yes. You recognize this to be fusion night club? yes. PIC ADMITTED INTO EVIDECE. BAEZ OBJECTS. OBJECTION OVERRULED. PIC MAY BE PUBLISHED 14:17:30 - was she (casey) upset? no. crying? no. objection, overruled. 14:18:30 - were you talked to about what to wear? I don't know if it was by casey. and when you came to work as a shot girl on the 27th of June, casey more or less passed on what you were wearing? yes. did she give you any tips on what to wear? not directly to me. 14:19:40 -was there ever a problem that occurred? yes. tell us. there was large group of people and someone tried to grab one of the shot girls, scratching her. what did casey do? for our safety, she had us leave for the night. we spoke to her on July 15th. was this conversation in person? over the phone. prior to this conversation, were you aware she jad a daughter? no. did you know if she was in a relationship? yes. with who? anthony lazarro. 14:21:00 - we had a conversation about what she'd be diong that day. she went to her job at universal then pick up her daughter casey (on july 15th). 14:21:45 - did she call her daughter by name? no. did she tell you antying about her daughter? that her birthday was the next month and that I was invited to her birthday party? that you were invited? yes. did you see casey outside fusion? no. any subsequent phone calls? not to my knowledge? ever receive text? yes. the one I remember was the day after her mother reported her missing to cops. CROSS EXAMINATION 14:23:50 - did anything happen that had to do with caylee? no. no one saw her? no. did anything happen that night that had to do with her death? no. 14:24:45 - the casey you knew was a nice person? yes. she treated you with respect? yes. she looked out for you and the other girls? yes. was she considered a big sister? yes. she always made sure we were ok and weren't in harms way at all. 14:25:35 - casey was somewhat of a protector? yes. 14:26:00 - you have no information that helps this jury decide what happened june 16th? no. REDIRECT 14:26:30 - did she tell you her daughter was missing? no, kidnapped? no. needed help? no. did she give you any indication something was wrong? no. ERICA GONZALEZ - DARK LONG BLACK HAIR, BLACK SWEATER/BLAZER 14:29:00 - detailing work history, full time mom, education, location, working at fusion night club, shot girl. 14:30:00 - was that a nightly occurrence? it was once every friday. did you work every friday in june 2008? I believe so. OBJECTION, OVERRULED. 14:30:35- did you come into contact with casey? I did. was this at fusion? it was. did you know her beforehand? I did not. how did you meet? I met her through one of the girls at the night club. 14:31:15 - did you have the opportunity to speak with her? when I was a shot girl I spoke to her many times. 14:31:40 - she was kind of like our manager. we'd tell her what we were wearing and if anything happened, she'd protect us. 14:32:30 - did casey ever tell you what to wear? no. ever make suggestions? no. did you ever speak to casey about things outside fusion? 14:33:16 - from speaking with her did you know where she was living? no. 14:33:44 - do you know ms. realander? I do. did an incident happen that you brought to 14:34:00 - did you know she had a child? yes. how? we were in the bathroom one day and she mentioned her daughter. she was taking care of us and explained she had a daughter. did she tell you anything about her? no. how old? no. her name? no. she was missing? NO. kidnapped? no. actively looking for her? no. anything wrong with her daughter? no. anything going on with her? no. ever see anything in her behavior that would lead you to believe anything was wrong? absolutely not. THANK YOU. CROSS EXAMINATION BACK TO PROSECUTION 14:36:25 - we were talking about dinner with all the shot girls. what else? she was going to call me back so we could meet up. she never called back. said she was heading to airport to pick someone up. did she say who? no. did you learn casey's daughter was missing? yes. what did you do? I heard that night I talked to her. I texted her the next day that if she needed anything let me know. I made flyers for my job. did you get response? she said thank you and that she was worried about caylee. did she say when she saw caylee last? with the nanny. 14:38:45 - did you have any understanding that there was anyone else in car with her? I don't recall. do you recall what your phone number was? yes. may I have it? 321-439-4577. CROSS EXAMINATION 14:40:00 - you stated casey was kind to you? she was. she was nice to you? yes. she looked out for all of you? she did. she talked about her daughter in bathroom? yes. did you see casey drink or get drunk? no. do you have any info as to what may have happened to caylee? as far as? how she died. no. WITNESS EXCUSED. RECESS AT 14:41:50 Late Afternoon Session WITNESS ANTHONY LAZZARO - short dark hair, white shirt, black tie 15:09:40 - when you moved into sutton place who did you live with? cameron. just the two of you for awhile? yes. two of my friends slept on the couch. one was roy house and nathan. did they pay any rent? no, it was just a friendly gesture. 15:10:45 - talks about full sail, college schedule, school open 24-7. 15:11:20 - what was your schedule may june 2008? it wasn't consistent. morning class 9-1 then sometimes an evening lab. 15::12:09- did you receive a computer? yes, macbook pro. as part of your education did you take it upon yourself to put on either shows or do some sort of events? they wanted you to get involved with the other kids because these could be people you'd work with in the music industry. 15:13:00- during may, june 2008, did you try to set up a small business? yes. what did you do? i had experience deejaying. me and clint started our own company doing promotion. did it have a name? we had a bunch of names but it became DBC entertainment. 15:14:15 -when did you start working as deejay? we went to fusion. we met with the owner. we said hey we're deejays, we have experience, if you're interested we could do a party on a friday night. that's basically how that started. 15:15:08 - that started in june. at the same time you were taking classes? yes sir. did you own a car this time period? yes. what kind? 97 jeep grand cherokee. 15:15:50 - may 2008, did there come a time you came in contact with casey? yes sir? how did that start? I met her on facebook, we became friends. I found her through facebook, it shows people in your area, so i sent her a friend request. did she respond immediately? I don't know. 15:17:10 - first time we met in person was at my friend's birthday. his name was dan howard. this was the same time I was starting deejay company around the end of May. I was inviting a ton of people and made it a facebook event. That's when she got back to me to go to the party. 15:18:15 - while you were talking did you learn she had a child? I believe so? did you know her name? I can't recall? do you know how old she was? a toddler 15:18:48 - what were your first impressions? pretty girl. she showed up with bunch of friends. we hit it off. 15:19:20 - did you make plans to see her again? Not that night but shortly after. 15:19:45 - she would come over and show up to my apartment. how often? a couple of times. a week? more or less a couple times a week. 15:20:15- did she bring her daughter? yes. did you two stay at apt. or go out? we went to the pool. she brought her daughter over and we went down by the pool. at your apt. complex? yes sir. do you remember when? I'd say June 2nd. 15:21:06 - do you know what arden villas is? That's not ringing a bell. did you invite her to another party? I remember inviting her to a pool party. did she attend? yes. bring anyone? no. 15:22:00 - aware of her car? yes. what was she driving? white pontiac. on june 4th 2008, did you attend party for troy brown? yes. who went? me, clint and maria. when you went to that party where was it? club voyage. when you went there on the 4th of june, who drove? casey did. what car did you take? her car. was it during this time you first met caylee? yes. did you see her in any other context? yes, when we went to mall of millenia. it was a friday afternoon, I'd say the 13th. 15:24:30 - went to mall to hand out flyers for event. when you did that, was casey with you? no. did she go to mall with you? yes. she and caylee walked around the mall. did you meet up again? yes. we went to cheesecake factory and had a late lunch. how did you get to mall? I believe it was in her car. 15:25:30 - did caylee ever spend the night at your apartment? no sir. 15:25:50 - when casey dropped you off at the apartment, was that the last time you saw caylee? yes sir. 15:26:30- did you go to fusion june 13, 2008. yes sir. did casey attend? yes sir. who hires the shot girls? it was between me and clint and the other two promoters. who would instruct the shot girls? it came down to the owner. 15:27:59 - casey wanted to help out so we said you could tell the shot girls what they needed to know. did she tell them what to wear? I don't recall. 15:28:40 - she had a job at universal studios? did she tell you what she did? something with events. did she ever give you details about the job? throughout the relationship she'd talk abuot specific people. I recall a Jeff, other girls names. did she complain about the job? I can't remember specifics. She might have. see her with ID? she'd walk in apt. with universal badge. did it have pic on it? yes. 15:30;15 - her babysitter and her mother (were taking care of caylee while casey was at work). did she talk to you about the babysitter's name? at that point, zani. this was at begining of relationship? yes. tell you where zani lived? no. any relatives? no. cared for any other kids? no. ever discuss what she paid zani? I don't remember. did she ever tell you when the nanny would take care of her and when her mother would take care of her? it would be either or. 15:32:06 COUNSEL APPROACHES BENCH 10 MINUTE RECESS. 15:40:18 - testimony resumes. 15:42:17- pic of tony and casey. 15:42:30 - was that pic taken in june, 2008? yes sir. can you tell when it was taken? it'd have to be early june when I began promoting ....is that accurate representation of what you both looked like on June 13, 2008? yes sir. 15:43:43 - SIDEBAR shot of george and cindy at 15:46:10 15:48:20 - OBJECTION NOTED AND OVERRULED 15:48:41 - PIC IS PUBLISHED TO THE JURY 15:49:15 - after this showcase, did casey return to your apt? yes. did she stay over? yes. was this the first time she stayed over? I believe so yes, definitely. did there come a time after june 13 that casey began spending more time with you? yes. mid to late june. did she spend every night? yes. 15:50:45 - did you see defendant that day (June 16)? yes. what time? anywhere after 6:30-7. do you recall going to blockbuster? yes. with casey? yes. 15:51:45 - JUDGGE READS: copy of video surveillance at blockbuster are true and accurate represenation. parties have agreed to this fact. should be considered true in your deliberations. you may proceed. 15:52:40 - move DVD of video into evidence. 15:53:30- video published to jury 15:53:39 - shots of video surveillance at blockbuster being shown in court 15:54:30 - did you recognize yourself? yes, that's the marbury jersey. you have your arms around someone? who? casey. this is on june 16, 2008? yes sir. how would you describe her demeanor? the way she was every day. which was? happy ..happy to see me, having a grand old time. did she ever cry? no. act scared? no. nervous? tell you that dauther was missing? no. something wrong with her? no. something happeend to her? no. attitude any different than previous times you had seen her? no.did she stay over that night? yes sir. from there on did she stay with you? yes. 15:56:51- any toiletries for caylee? no. do you recall her talking to caylee on phone? not taht I recall. her parents? any time she talked on phone she went outside. on this night, did she call anyone? no. on june 16th,this was a new relationship? yes. did you care for her? yes. it was going well? yes. any fights? no. disagreements? no. She stayed that night, correct? yes. the following day did you spend with her? yes, I played hookey. why? didn't feel like leaving my home. you spent you day with Casey? yes. what was your phone number? i've changed it so many times, I can't remember. It was an ATT. 15:59:20 - on june 17th you play hookey? yes. what did you do? stayed in my room. any change in casey's behavior? no. did she give you any indication anything wrong? no. say antying about her daughter? no. do you recall if she ever called anyone in your presence? not in my presence. you spend the entire day and night with her june 17? yes sir. how about june 18? I went to class. what was casey doing? going to work, going to see caylee, wherever she had to go. did she tell you where she'd go? no. you understood she had a job? yes. 16:01:25 - on june 19 did you go looking for apt? yes. did you go with casey? yes. 16:01:58 -who were you planning on living with? nathan and brian. did you bring defendant? yes. did you both look at it? no. she didn't have ID on her. during this time period, where was casey living? she was living at home, she was always talking about taking the anthony's home because they were going to move out. 16:03:37 - the defendant was goin gto live with amy, either in another home or apt? yes. did she say anything about her dad? not at that time? her mother? not that I can recall at that time. Right now everything's pretty good? yes sir. 16:04:15 - by the 18th of june were you sharing any of your secrets? not that I recall. June 20th, did you go to fusion again? yes sir. another hip hop showcase? did casey go with you? yes sir. did anything different happen? yes, there was a hot body contest. promoted beforehand? I can't recall but it was a last minute decision. when you got there, were there enough to have a contest? more or less. At some point did casey particpate? yes. who asked her to participate? I wasn't present. she told me about it. any objections to it? I can't recall, I maybe hestitated for a second. 16:06:45 - since this is your showcase, what is your role? my role is to make sure nothing got out of hand. that was basically it. 16:07:55 - do you recognize that photo? yes. what is it? the hot body contest? do you recogize casey? yes. what is she wearing? a blue dress. you were present while this was going on? yes. a fair and accurate representation of contest? yes sir. MOVE INTO EVIDENCE. BAEZ OBJECTS. OVERRULED. RECEIVED INTO EVIDENCE. PUBLISHED TO JURY. 16:10:00 - any diffrence in casey's behavior? no sir. any time did she tell you caylee is missing? no sir. kidnapped? no sir. actively looking for her? no sir. ask you for help? no. she needed help? something had happened to her? no. 16:11:22- was showcase a success? yes. defendant came home with you? yes sir. June 23rd, was there a time casey told you she had run out of gas? yes sir. what time? mid to late afternoon. where you in class? I was at home. what did she tell you? she ran out of gas and needed to be picked up. did she sound scared? no. frantic? no. worried? no. I went to where she was an picked her up. 16:13:16 - did you talk to her on phone while going to meet her? yes. did she have anything with her? a backpack. had you seen it before? I can't remember. where did you go? she said she had gas at her house. had you been to her house? no. did she direct you? yes. Parked in driveway. where there any cars in driveway? no. where did you go? to her backyard. did you go into garage? yes. how did you get in? she opened it. 16:14:38 - when door opened, any cars in garage? no. did you go in anthony home? we went to back yard. did you recall being inside home? I don't recall. you went to side of house? we went to the shed. we had to open it. that;s where gas cans werre. we broke lock with tire iron from my truck. were you concerned? yes. she said it's ok it's my shed. 16:16:08 - did you break the lock? yes. how many gas cans did you take? two. what did you do with them? put them in the truck and she directed me to her car. who put gas into car? casey did. after, what did she do with cans? she put them in trunk. what kind of car? white pontiac. when she opened the trunk could you see inside? no. where did you go? back to my apt. did casey express concern with breaking into shed? no. did her mood change? no. was she ok? yes. 16:18:04 - what happened when she took a phone call? she'd go outside. 16:18:25 - did you find it odd she'd leave every time she took a phone call? yes and no. i thought it'd be a private matter with her mom. was there a change in mood? no. ever give you any details? no. did casey ever say to you I'm going to call the babysitter? yes. did she dial a phone? she'd grab phone and go outside. did she tell you about arguments with mom? I don't remember anything specific. did her mood change after talking with mom? no, not drastically. did she give you details? no, it wasn't my business. 16:20:20 - did she give you any indication about home life? after I got back from NY. Gone June 30 to 5th july. 16:21:25 - did she tell you where she was? at an amscot. where? end of goldenrod road. did you pick her up? yes. did yo get out of car? no. was she in car? outside of car. did she have anything in her hands? bags or groceries. what did she have? groceries. when she got in car, did she have anger about running out of gas? she said the car broke down and my father will look at it. 16:23:10 - what did casey say when you offered help? that her father would take care of it. after you picked her up did you go to apt.? yes. drop off groceries? yes. did you go to fashion square mall later that day? yes. 16:24:20 - COPY OF VIDEO SURVEILLANCE FROM JC PENNEY. SUBMITTED INTO EVIDENCE. PUBLISHED TO JURY. 16:25:50 - VIDEO SHOWN TO JURY AND IN COURT 16:27:17 - do you recognize yourself? yes. how about casey is she there? yes. 16:27:55 - more shots of video 16:28:57 - I take it you drove to the mall? yes sir. did you ever see that car again? no. did you buy anything at the mall? did I personally? no. June 27, did you go to fusion again? yes. another showcase? yes. did casey go with you? yes sir. 16:29:57 - do you recognize that photo? yes. who is that? myself and casey anthony. when was it taken? june 27th. 16:30:57 - is this accurate representation of what you and casey looked like on june 27th? yes. BAEZ OBJECTS. OVERRULED. RECEIVED INTO EVIDENCE. 16:31:47 - on this night, was there any change in casey's demeanor? no sir. was she upset? no sir. angry? no sir. sad? no sir. her daughter was missing? no sir. kidnapped? no sir. she needed help? no sir. 16:32:45- what date did you leave for vacation? the 30th of june. how did you get to airport? casey drove me and cameron to the airport. how did you get to airport? in my jeep. did you drive? yes. what was the plan for the car? casey was supposed to drop it off at sutton place. 16:33:48 - did you agree to let her use your car? no. did you talk abuot the status of her car? yes. her dad was supposed to take is someplace ...mechanic or dealership. her father was taking care of it. 16:34:36 - is casey in this court? yes. what is she wearing? she's wearing a blue blouse. THANK YOU YOUR HONOR. WITNESS IS SUBJECT TO RECALL. CROSS EXAMINATION. 16:35:52 - you realize casey is standing trial on a death penalty case? yes. did she talk about murders she committed? no. did she borrow duct tape? no. get any weapons? no. what about the second photo. did she talk about murdering anyone? no. murdering caylee? no. any weapons? no. borrow any knives and guns? no. borrow anything she could use to commit a murder? no. what about JC Penny. buy any duct tape? no. plastic bags? no. weapons? no. 16:39:00 -you had no issues dating a girl with a child? no. you liked caylee? yes. did casey be attentive to caylee? yes. did she neglect her? no. go without food? no. wearing dirty clothes? no. most of interaction was that she was a good mother? yes. 16:40:03 - on june 2nd you went to pool? yes. did casey discipline caylee? not that I recall. Do you recall by the pool where she raised her voice? not by the pool. do you recall that at all? no. if i show you your statement on september 18, 2008, would that help? sure. 16:42:02 - tell jury what happened? she was going near pool, didn;t want her to go near pool. what did casey do? what any mother would do, stop her from getting near the pool. did caylee enjoy the pool? yes. you saw that? yes. 16:43:15 - there was a secret she shared, right? yes. OBJECT. sustained on heresay. SIDEBAR. 16:44:30 - OBJECTION SUSTAINED. 16:45:00 - you were cooperative with law enforcement? yes sir. the only people you talked to was law enforcement? yes sir. you wouldn't speak to defense? you cooperated with their every request? yes. you allowed them to tap your phone? yes. you wore a wire? yes. 16:46:00 - you never made any statements to media? no. you never sold any photos or made money off this case? no sir. 16:46:40 - the first time casey ran out of gas, you had to break into the shed? yes. Could she have broken in? she could have. 16:47:28 - at that point, you drove to her car? yes. did she say stay away from the car? no. was she blocking you in any way? no. did she tell you to stay away? no. when she poured the gas into tank, you were standing next to her? right. how far is trunk, a few feet away? more than two feet. 16:48:51 - after she poured gas can in, she opened trunk? no. at any time did you smell any stench in that car? no sir. but I wasn't in the car. 16;51:01 - do you recall if you saw lining of trunk? no sir. baez shows him statement from october 2008. 16:51:45 - when she opened trunk, you could see liner? yes. on the edge of the car. the second time she ran out of gas, she told you she ran out of gas? yes. I said broke down meaning she ran out of gas. on the 27th of june, you came because she ran out of gas? yes. I was just offering help in general. 16:53:10 - baez wants to introduce photo after talking about hardship for lazzaro to return to testify. 17:02:15 - you can't introduce those now. read the ID numbers into the record just so we know what you're talking about. 17:03:15 - when you went to pick up casey at amscot, her car was in a parking spot, right? it was cockeyed. it was at goldenrod? where goldenrod meets colonial. 17:04:38 - you can approach witness but don't expose it to jury 17:07:50 - WE WILL COME BACK TOMORROW. RECESS FOR THE EVENING.
CASEY ANTHONY TRIAL / ISO P4
FTG FOR COVERAGE OF THE CASEY ANTHONY MURDER TRIAL / DAY 2 OF TRIAL / CASEY ISO CAM Early Morning Session 9:01:03 - I'm not going to have a jury waiting around as you search for files. How much time do need to search for a file? if you continue this you'll be working Sundays to. You need to put your heads together. there's be a 10 minute recess. SESSION RESUMES AT 9:14:50 - Cameron Campana called to stand - lond dark hair, wearing dark colored shirt. 9:16:11 - 2007 to 2009, almost three years. did you graduate from full sail? yes, 9:16:30 - what do you currently do? I'm a club promoter in cleveland 9;16:45- sutton place apartments, I forget which apartment number. I lived with Anthony Lazarro. It was a two bedroom, two bathroom apartment, maybe one thousand square feet. 9:18:26 - at one point you had four men living in this apartment? yes. 9:18:55 - directing your attention to May, June, 2008. can you tell me your school schedule? 9:19:54 - SIDEBAR 9:21:50- did your classes also entail working? no. after you went to classes from 1-9, you were done? yes. 9:22:34 - we started at the same time, we were on different schedules. did you have the occassion to meet casey. 9:23:04- I met her through anthony lazarro after a birthday party, May 24th or around that date. 9:23:32- she was just a regular 22 year old girl, happy, just seemed normal. just your average 22 year old. 9:24:12- the middle of June, 2008 (casey started staying with them) 9:24:30- I would see har daily once she would start staying with us. outside the apartent, 2 or 3 times. 9:24:55 - about four times maybe three (met caylee). either in lazarro's room or in lving room watching tv 9:25:33- Caylee never spent the night at the apartment. 9:25:58 - she had mentioned to us she worked for universal as an event coordinator. she would talk about her job every now and them. she had mentioned picking up tickets for a batman premeiere. she'd say work was stressing her out. she told anthony she was going to get red carpet tickets for the premeier but it never happened. 9:28:20 - she told us she was looking for an apartment with amy. had you met her? i believe once. 9:29:05 - did you ever see defendant getting ready to go to work? no. 9:29:20 - when she started living with you did you ever see caylee again? I believe once. we had asked and one time she said she was going to universal with the nanny. the other time she was going to cocoa beach for a birthday party. 9:30:03 - she said she'd talk to caylee on the phone. 9:30:21- did you ever hear her on the phone talking to her daughter? no. did you hear her talking to the nanny? no. did you ever hear her on the phone? she'd step outside and talk. she'd go out by the pond out back. when she came back to the apartment did she tell you who she was talking to? I asked her why she always went out side and she said it was her time to vent. 9:31:50- who was doing the cooking? everyone would do their part. she'd started cooking and buying groceries. 9:32:28 - it was mostly her laundry, sometimes anthony's and I think one time she did mine. she helped clean, we all helped keep it. 9:33:15- did you have a computer? yes, macbook pro. did your roomates have computer? yes. did you see the defendant with a compyuter? yes. did you see her using it? yes. Did you ever use it? no. did she ever ask to borrow your computer? no. anyone else? no. 9:34:11 - she seemed just the same, nothing had changed. she was happy. seemed excited about life. did you ever socailize outsid the apartment? one or two times. 9:34:51- have you ever heard of fusion. 9:35:55- have you ever met george or cindy anthony? no 9:36:11 - did you see any clothing that belonged to caylee? only when she brought her over. did you see it after she started living with you? not that I saw. any stuffed animals? no. 9:37:00- did she ever tell you her daughter was missing? no. that she'd been kidnapped? no. did she ever ask you for help in finding caylee? no. are you aware of an incident July 15 when the defendants mother came to your apartment? I had class and anthony told me what happened. 9:38:10 - had you ever met lee anthony before? no. what did you tell him? I was sorry about what had happened. how did he seem? he seemed calm but at the same time he was worried. he came and picked up a bag of clothes casey had in anthony's room. did you have any contact with defendant after that night? no. lee anthony? no. 9:39;15 - NO FURTHER QUESTIONS, CROSS EXAMINATION BEGINS 9:39:36- were you in casey's home, June, 2008, when caylee drowned? no. end of questions. NEXT WITNESS - NATHAN LEZNIEWICZ - buzz cut, tan shirt 9:41:28 - Nathan Lezniewicz called to stand 94:2:33 - lived in Orlando, going to full sail university for audio engineering. attended for a year and half. attained no degree. currently in band in Vero Beach, also played in bands while attending full sail. 9:43:40 - first started living with Tony Lazarro at end of May 2008. slept on couch, planned on staying for about a month once lease ended 9:44:30 - school schedule for month of June was 9-5. no work outside of school at time. left town a lot. 9:45:08 - how did you first meet Casey Anthony? the drummer of my band, Daniel Howard, had a birthday party which is where Tony and Casey first met. She seemed like a normal 22 year old girl. She was outgoing. 9:46:04 - where did you first meet Caylee? at my apartment 9:46:39 - did she ever spend the night? did casey or caylee ever spend the night? no sir. did there ever come a time she stayed every day? when? third and fourth week of june her staying over picked up quite a bit. 9:47:25 - did she every tell you about her employment? she said she was employed at universal. did you ever see ID badge? no sir. did she ever talk about her work? once in a while. The only thing she talkd about a batman premiere. 9:48:30 - did she ever complain about her work? no sir 9:48:45 - while you were getting ready for school, was she getting ready for work? she was getting ready also and I assumed that's where she was going. 9:49:22- did you spend time alone with her? yes sir. what did you do? hang out, watch tv. was Tony's other roommate, from Ft. Pierce, was in a band, travelled a 9:45:18 - first met casey when drummer in his band had a bday party. Casey was there. That's where tony met her. 9:45:44 - she seemed like a normal girl 9:51:10 - typically she was with the nanny, out doing things. was there anything about casey's demeanor that made you qeustion what she was telling you? no sir. 9:51:50- did she tell you about her parents? not much. when she had a conversation with her parents, she'd leave the apartment because she didn't want us to hear them. did you ever hear here speaking to her daughter? no sir. the nanny? no sir. 9:52:53- did you ever get near car? no sir. did she tell you she was having car trouble? just one morning when she broke down near the amscot. 9:53:40 - what did she do while in the apartment? did she cook? yes. did she clean? yes. did she do the laundry? no, not mine. where did you socialize? fusion nightclub, mostly friday evenings. were there any things going on friday nights? 9:54:44 - how many times were you at fusion with casey? two or three times maybe. 9:56:20 - pic of casey with NATHAN 9:56:40- when you were at fusion did she participate in a contest? yes. what was that contest? a hot body contest. 9:57:30- where was that photo taken? at fusion. was this during June, 2008? yes sir. BAEZ ASKS FOR SIDEBAR, JUDGE SAYS Not at this point. 9:58:16 - photo admitted into evidence. 9:58:34 - SIDEBAR AGAIN. 10:02:58 - JUDGE ALLOWS PHOTO TO BE PUBLISHED TO JURY 10:03:20 - she always seemed like she was having a good time. she's an outgoing personality. at any time she was living with you, did you ever see her distraught? no sir. depressed? no sir. scared? no sir. angry? no sir. did she ever tell you her daughter was missing? no sir. her daughter was kidnapped? no sir. did she ever ask for help in trying to find her? no sir. 10:05:03 - during this time period, was there anything about her demeanor that gave you concern? no sir. when there was a knock on the door, there was a blond girl there I didn't recognize. casey stepped outside and closed the door. she came back inside with her mother and amy huizinga. did you see casey come back after she left with the blond gir? yes. what happened? she was in an argument with cindy and cindy told her to get her stuff and go. did she go outside? yes sir. did she come back? no. did you ever see her again? no. did you speak with her on the phone. no sir. 10:06:51 - we were confused. we didn't know what was going on. we thought it was just something between her, her mother and roommmate. 10:07:30 - lee felt bad for us and said his sister was known to get into trouble ...objection, sustained. 10:08:12- were you visited by law enforcement? yes. how many times? twice. 100900 - did law enforcement question you about amy? no. how long were they there? about five minutes, just enough to collect cell phone. 10:09:46 - what did police do the second time? they searched the apartment. how long where they there? maybe 20-25 minutes. did they take items with them? I do not recall. 10:10:15 =- did you see any clothing belonging to caylee? no sir. any stuffed animals? no sir. NO FURTHER QUESTIONS CROSS EXAMINATION 10:11:12 - you saw caylee how many times? two to three. did she look hungry? no. well fed? yes. did casey seem attentive? yes. 10:12:10 - looking back at casey's behavior, there was no indication that caylee was dead? no sir. there was no signs in any way shape or form? no sir. 10:13:07 - she didn't park 50 yards away where no other cars were parked? no sir. I have no further questions. 10:13:30 - were you present on june 2008 when caylee drowned in the pool? no sir. SIR YOU MAY STAND DOWN. BREAK Late Morning Session TESTIMONY RESUMES AT 10:36:09 STATE CALLS ROY HAUSE GOES BY CLINT - short dark hair, blue button down. 10:39:04 - where do you live? jacksonville, sir. was there a time you lived in orlando? yes sir. when? 2007-2009. what were you studying there? recording arts to engineer and produce music. how long were you there? 10 months. did you get a degree? no. 10:39:56 - where did you live? with tony and cam. what time period in 2008? I was only there a few months. I moved in the end of April and moved out June, 2008. 10:40:43- do you recall during that time period you were at school? I'd be there from 1am to 5am, sometimes 1pm to 5pm. 10:41:20 - did you meet casey? yes I did. do you recall where? tony and I met her at a party. 10:41:56 - she seemed like a fun party girl who'd get along with our group of friends. 10:42:30 - did you ever meet caylee? yes. where? at the sutton place apartments. how many times? four or five times. did caylee ever stayed over? no she never stayed over? did there come a times casey started staying full time? yes. when? middle of June she started spending most of the nights there. did you mind? no, not at all? was this a big apartment? no, we were all kind of crammed in there. 10:43:55 - did casey ever tell you about her employment? she said she worked at universal. did you ever see credentials? no. did she complain about it? no. 10:44:41 - she didn't talk about her work all that much. 10:44:55- when she started staying full time, did you ever see caylee? when she started aying on regular basis we stopped seeing caylee. did you ask her about caylee? yes. she said she was with the nanny. did she indicate nanny was local? yes. did she indicate caylee was anywhere but orlando? no. did it seem odd child was always with nanny. objection. did you question her about where caylee was? i asked her where caylee was and she said she was with the nanny. was there any concern in her voice? no. did she appear worried about where caylee was? no. did she seem sad about not seeing her? her demeanor never changed. 10:47:10 - did you also had a laptop? yes. did casey have a laptop? yes. what kind? hp. did you ever use her computer? no. did she ever use yours? no. did she ever use anyone's but her own? no. while she was staying with you, were you ever present when she spoke on the phone? yes. to whom was she speaking? she'd always walk outside and was either on phone with nanny or her mother. was there any change in her demeanor? no. did she appear nervous? no sir. scared? no sir. 10:48:52- did you see her on daily basis at this time? yes. where did you recall going with her? every friday night we had our own promotional night at fusion and she'd come every friday. she'd try to help us bring people out. when you say she helped bring people out, what do you mean? because she was tony's girlfriend, she'd tell her friends to come out using facebook, myspace, texts. 10:50:29 - none of her friends ever came. 10:50:40 - did casey participate in those events? yes. what role did she play? she was in a couple contests I hosted. she was in a hot body contest, she would mingle with the crowd. 10:51:40 - did casey have anything to do with selecting shot girls? no. did she have anything to do with how they dressed? she'd give them some tidbits but I was telling the girls what they needed to wear. she would say maybe they should wear these shorts with this shot. 10:52:55- do you know a woman by the name of marie kish? yes. did she attend any of the nights at fusion? yes she did. DEFENSE CONFERS, NOW A SIDEBAR. 10:59:50 - SHOT OF GEORGE AND CINDY IN COURTROOM. 11:04:00 - testimony resumes 11:04:11 - what was her demeanor at fusion? she was partying and having a good time. did she seem upset about anything? no. did she seem happy? yes. 11:04:58 - they both seemed happy with each other. she'd come over and cook dinner for everybody. tony seemed happy and so did she. did you see casey and tony fight? no. did you ever notice casey sad? no. angry? no. depressed? no. withdrawn? no. she was still same. 11:06:08 - were you home July 15? no, I moved out. moved out two weeks before that. 11:07:20 - did you have any further contact with casey? no. did she ever tell you her daughter was kidnapped? no. was she worried about her? no. she needed help? no. NO FURTHER QUESTIONS 11:08:36 - the extent you know casey is a month and a half? yes. and you saw caylee how many times? four or five times. did she have backpack? yes. she would have toys, flashcards with shaped and colors. what other learning tools did you see casey teach caylee. never saw any other learning tools. she did have some dvds she brought over. in this bag you'd see diapers, other snacks? yes sir. did you see caylee malnourished? no sir. neglected? no sir. see casey strike caylee? no sir. treat caylee as a burden? no. would you say she was a good mother? yes I would. 11:10:55 - did you ever seen them go out to the pool? no. were you aware that tony lazarro casey and caylee went to pool on june 2nd? yes. who else was there? no one but them. 11:1:44- you weren't keeping a close eye on casey's computer at any time? no sir. 11:13:30- discussion about fusion, what it is, sushi bar, etc. 11:14:17 - this business with shot girls, that's part of your ambiance? yes. casey wasn't a shot girl, was she? no sir. she volunteered to manage these girls? she wasn't managing anybody. that was me and tony. this was while she was staying with you, rent free? yes. part of pulling her weight helping you financially? yes. cooking? yes. cleaning? yes. trash? no, that was us guys. 11:16:00- casey was a friendly girl? yes. she cared about people? yes. she cared about you? yes. you saw her caring for her child? yes. you found out caylee was dead during that time period? yes, i have. you noticed no change in her behavior from the time period she was a loving and caring mother up until the time caylee was deceased? never saw one change in her. 11:17:00 WITNESS EXCUSED 11:18:30 - MARIA KISSH - LONG DARK HAIR, GRAY BLAZER, BLUE BLOUSE. 11:19:20 - she describes who she is, her job in retail sales, educational background at UF, majored in political science, 2007. employed in 2008. working for man running for county office. paying job. had position in may, june 2008. 11:22:00 - I was introduced through clint. had you already known tony? yes. had you known nathan? yes. you knew all these people but casey was a new person you met? yes. did you meet her daughter? no. at some point did you meet caylee? yes. where? at tony's apartment. what do you recall about meeting her? caylee answered the door by herself. had you seen her before? no sir. did you ask her who she was? I knew who she was and said hi, how are you. when you walking in did you see casey? no. at some point did you see her? I did. where from? tony's room. how much time did you spend with caylee? not long, a half hour. 11:24:20 - was casey anywhere around? I saw her come out of the room for a minute and then she went back into tony's room. 11:24:55 - I ended up sitting on balcony and caylee was out there as well. clint got me and said he was ready to go. I felt uncomfortable. why? I didn't want to leave caylee alone. was it (balcony) screened? yes, it was. OBJECTION. APPROACH. 11:26:27 - SHOT OF GEORGE ANTHONY 11:28:30 - SHOT OF CASEY TALKING WITH FEMALE ATTORNEY 11:30:14 - SHOT OF EVIDENCE, FILES, FILE BOXES 11:33:10 - testimony continues 11:33:23 - right around that time, tony caylee and casey were going to leave as well. so casey and tony came out and casey told caylee to get her shoes on because it was time to leave. that was about it. I saw caylee struggling to put on her shoes and socks so i helped her put on her shoes. was caylee verbal with you? yes. she was. was the plan for all of you to go out together? no. 11:35:10 - after that visit, did you see caylee again? yes sir. how often were you at your boyfriend's? 2 to 3 times a week. did you stay the night? a couple times. when you were there, did you recall a time casey was there? I do. all the time? yes. how did you become aware of that. I talked to clint and he would tell me casey's been there all day. OBJECTION. sustained. 11:36:22- was the defendant there? yes. when you stayed for dinner was she there? yes. how would you describe relationship with casey? we saw each other several times because tony and clint would be together. we didn't have a friendship but it was an acquaintance. 11:37:18 - she said she worked for univeral as an event planner. any other details? no sir. ever tell you her hours? not that i can remember. ever see any ID from universal? no sir. did you question if she workd at universal? no sir. 11:38:10 - spend time with casey outside apartment? yes. what kinds of things? going out at night to bar or club and grabbing a bite to eat. did you see casey and tony together? yes. what were your observations on them as couple? OBJECTION, opinion, overruled. 11:39:08 - They got along well, it seemd to be beneficial for tony. did they appear to like each other? I believe so. 11:39:40 - did you ever see them argue? no. do you know what fusion is? yes. what is it? restaurant slash night club. were you at fusion with boyfriend and casey? yes sir. how many times? one time. 11:40:30 - I went to fusion with casey on June 20th. how do you remember? it was a friday and there was a hot body contest that night. 11:41:10 - what do you recall about hot body contest. objection. sustained. did you witness it? yes sir. did defendant participate? yes sir. what was defendant wearing during contest? she was wearing thin knit dress, blueish color. 11:42:34 - pic of casey and nathan 11:43:00 - based on outfit she appears to be wearing, is this an accurate representation of what she was wearing on june 20, 2008. yes. did you participate? no sir. PIC REPUBLISHED TO JURY 11:44:00 - do you recall any role other than being in hot body contest? yes. what was her role? she was in charge of the shot girls. did you see her interacting with them? i did. did you hear her telling them what they were supposed to do? i did. did you hear her discussing their attire? i can't remember. was there anyting about casey's demeanor that alarmed you? no. did she appear angry or upset? no sir. 11:45:20 - where did you stay that night? at the apartment. did you see casey next morning? yes, in kitchen in the morning. did you have a discussion? yes. I asked her where caylee was. she said she was spending weekend at the beach with the nanny. did she give you nanny's name? no. she told me she paid the nanny 400 dollars a week. 11:46:40 - did you ask casey about caylee's dad? APPROACH OBJECTION OVERRULED 11:48:40- what did casey tell you about caylee's dad? she told me he was deceased. 11:49:20 - what did she tell you her living situation was? that she was going to move into her parent's house and they were giving the house to her and caylee. when? didn't give an exact time, within the next couple of months. did casey ever tell you her daughter was missing? no. kidnapped? no. out looking for her? no. asked for help? no. 11:50:15 - did you ride in her car? yes. when? can't remember exact date. it was while she was staying with them, cling and tony. when you were in the car, who were you with? I was with casey, tony and clint. THANK YOU. CROSS EXAMINATION. 11:51;10 - where did you go in the car? to get something to eat. when you sat in back seat did you smell odor? no sir. clint was in backseat? yes. did he say anything? no sir. did tony say anything? no sir. 11:52:30 - you didn't like her being at house? it didn't bother me. your boyfriend lived at house? correct. and casey was at the same house? correct. it struck you odd she was there all the time? yes sir. you would call your boyfriend when she was there? yes. that didn't bother you? no, it never bothered me at all. END OF QUESTIONING around 11:50am Early Afternoon Session 13:14:12 - defense claims the testimony to the shovel is not relevant. says the shovel is misleading, not related nor tied to the offense. we present motion to exclude mention of shovel 13:16:36 - DENIED - just because you're not contesting does not alleviate state's obligation to prove something. anything else before we bring jury back in. BAEZ - objects again. 13:17:34 - discussion of audio problems. 13:20:11 - JURY RETURNS 13:21:15 STATE CALLS BRIAN BURNER - neighbor with shovel. heavy-set man with blue button down shirt, dark hair. 13:22:08 - do you know george and cindy? I do. how do you know them? neighbors. They are your next door neighbors? correct. when did you move into your home? 2005. when you moved in where the anthonys already living there? yes. was casey living there? yes. Lee? I don't recall. how would you describe your relationship with the anthonys? cordial neighbors. did they go to your house for dinner? no. you to theirs? no. 13:24:04 - are any of your children friends with casey or lee? no. 13:24:20 - week of june 16, 2008. were you in your home at that time? yes. did you take a vacation? I did. June 2008? yes. when did you return home? evening of the 16th. you were home on June 17th? yes. did you see casey? I saw casey's vehicle. it was backing into the garage. had you seen casey drive that car before? yes. did anyone else drive it during this time period? no. 12:26:00 - was car into garage or driveway? into the garage. I could see the front end of garage from our window. Did that seem strange? no. have you seen the car backed into the driveway before? not until that day. do you know how long car was there? no. were you home on the 18th? i was doing yardwork outside. was anyone else outside? no. 13:27:15 - did you see casey? she approached me later in the afternoon? when? around 1:30. why did she approach you? she said she wanted to borrow a shovel to dig up a bamboo root. 13:28:20 - pic of shovel 13:28:30 - is that the shovel you lent to casey? yes. OBJECTION OVERRULED AND IT WILL BE RECEIVED INTO EVIDENCE. 13:29:38 - did you see where she came from? no. had she ever asked to borrow anything before? no. did you have a problem with it? no. I walked around to the shed and gave her the shovel. 13:30:29 - did you see her walking into her home? only into the garage. 13:31:00 - while you were cleaning up did you see casey? no. I put equipment in shed then to see if casey was finished. I then went back into the house. I told my son casey borrowed the shovel and if she knocked on the door to take the shovel from her. 13:31:48 - did you get your shovel back? I did. she knocked on the door an hour after I gave her the shovel. did you notice anything different? no. what did you do? I opened garage door and set it in the garage. did you see defendant leave? no. did you see her white car? where? it was back into the garage. 13:32:50 - did you see casey car again that week? one other time. When? either 19 or 20th. 13:33:45 - did you see car pull into the driveway? the car backed in. did you see anything else? no. do you know how long car stayed there? no. 13:34:25 - other than those three instances in June 2008, did you have contact with casey? no. did you have contact with george? one time ...in July. 13:34:55 - when police arrived, did you go outside? no. did you talk to george? no. Cindy? no. when you saw casey on June 18, 2008, did she tell you her daughter was missing? no. kidnapped? no. that she was looking for her? no. did she tell you anything was wrong with her daughter? no. was she upset? no. sad? no. angry? no. just normal. 13:36:40 - THANK YOU SIR. CROSS EXAMINATION 13:37:03 - you fist gave a statement to law enforce. on July 17, 2008, right when media attention began? yes. you saw police cars next door on the 16th? I believe so. do you recall you gave a statement July 17? it was a Thursday. 13:38:10 - when you spoke with them, you told them you didn't know the date casey had borrowed the shovel but knew it was the week of the 16th? correct. you were called into sheriff's on June 30th? yes. you met with corporal edwards? yes. you then spoke with him a while? correct. that's when you started giving them dates? yes. do you recall if edwards asked you to close your eyes to remember because this was important? yes. did edwards tell you that as time passes you start to remember things. would you agree? to some extent. after you closed your eyes, that's when the dates became clear? no. that's when you told him the dates? no. you're saying as time passed you could recall the dates? correct. 12:41:00 - you wouldn't make it a habit to see how she parked her car? no. you're just the average neighbor? yes. you wouldn't consider yourself a nosy neighbor? no. you wouldn't notice how she parks her car every day? correct. 13:41:50 - when she gave you shovel back it wasn't muddy? no. she didn't look sweaty or digging a ditch? not that I recall. 13:42:30 - you can't offer us anything more than speculation about what she did with shovel? yes. NO FURTHER QUESTIONS REDIRECT 13:43:20 - do you recall telling him you saw a pickup? yes, wasn't sure of the vehicle. what do you recall about the incident? that was the monday the gas cans were taken. I looked out window and saw casey and thought nothing of it. 13:44:00 - where did you see casey? in the driveway. could you hear them speaking? no. there was casey and a man? correct. 13:44:33 - do you recall any other car in driveway? no. in garage? no. 13:45:27 - did you see casey drive away? no. did you hear any noises? no. 13:46:00 - was the white car there? no. RECROSS EXAMINATION 13:46:35 - when you started talking about them it was a month later after they occurred? correct. it's tough to recall everything a month prior? correct. no one told you on that day you should be looking for a certain car? correct. 13:48:35 - the anthony family home would be towards the right? correct. 13:49:03 - the date ...CAN I HAVE JUST A MOMENT? 13:49:35 - you didn't see the male? I saw casey and I saw the male first. any time you saw cars, you never saw anyone driving them? no. any time you saw casey's car you didn't see who was driving? correct. this shovel was then turned into fbi? I believe so. after you made that statement, there were media trucks outside your home? yes. for how long? months. STATE OBJECTS TO RELEVANCE. sustained 13:51:15 - you told mr george casey seemed normal? correct. WITHDRAWN WITNESS EXCUSED. RECESS ? 13:55:55 - shots of EVIDENCE BAGS 13:57:05 - MORE SHOTS OF EVIDENCE BAGS Late Afternoon Session 14:06:58 - testimony resumes JAMIE REALANDER - DARK, RED HAIR, BEIGE SWEATER, RED/ORANGE TOP 14:09:10 - detailing where she went to school and where she was working, rosen hotels, working with golf club at shingle creek. 14:10:11 - how did you first meet casey? I met her through a friend at fusion night club. 14:10:40 - who introduced you to casey? I believe it was my friend jenna prentice. who is she? just a friend at the time. was she an employee at fusion? not at that time? how was casey's demeanor? she was happy, seemd like a nice person to be friends with. was this may 2008? yes. was anything odd or out of place? no. 14:11:53- were you employed at some point at fusion? yes. as what? a shot girl. 14;13:10- directing your attention to june 20, 2008, were you a shot girl? no. june 13th? no. june 27th? yes. did you see casey? yes. what was your understanding of her role? she was the one we'd go to with questions. questions such as? where to be stationed, where to go for information. 14:14:15 - did you attend fusion on June 20, not as a shot girl? yes. do you recall a hot body contest? yes. 14:53:52 - do you see photo on monitor? yes. do you recognize yourself? yes. circle where you are. 14:15:19 - pic at FUSION. do you recognize casey? yes. what is she wearing? a blue dress. 14:15:45 - he circles her dress/pic 14:16:00 - anything out of the ordinary you recall from conversations with casey? no. 14:16:25 - is this pic a fair representation of what you and casey looked like on june 20, 2008? yes. You recognize this to be fusion night club? yes. PIC ADMITTED INTO EVIDECE. BAEZ OBJECTS. OBJECTION OVERRULED. PIC MAY BE PUBLISHED 14:17:30 - was she (casey) upset? no. crying? no. objection, overruled. 14:18:30 - were you talked to about what to wear? I don't know if it was by casey. and when you came to work as a shot girl on the 27th of June, casey more or less passed on what you were wearing? yes. did she give you any tips on what to wear? not directly to me. 14:19:40 -was there ever a problem that occurred? yes. tell us. there was large group of people and someone tried to grab one of the shot girls, scratching her. what did casey do? for our safety, she had us leave for the night. we spoke to her on July 15th. was this conversation in person? over the phone. prior to this conversation, were you aware she jad a daughter? no. did you know if she was in a relationship? yes. with who? anthony lazarro. 14:21:00 - we had a conversation about what she'd be diong that day. she went to her job at universal then pick up her daughter casey (on july 15th). 14:21:45 - did she call her daughter by name? no. did she tell you antying about her daughter? that her birthday was the next month and that I was invited to her birthday party? that you were invited? yes. did you see casey outside fusion? no. any subsequent phone calls? not to my knowledge? ever receive text? yes. the one I remember was the day after her mother reported her missing to cops. CROSS EXAMINATION 14:23:50 - did anything happen that had to do with caylee? no. no one saw her? no. did anything happen that night that had to do with her death? no. 14:24:45 - the casey you knew was a nice person? yes. she treated you with respect? yes. she looked out for you and the other girls? yes. was she considered a big sister? yes. she always made sure we were ok and weren't in harms way at all. 14:25:35 - casey was somewhat of a protector? yes. 14:26:00 - you have no information that helps this jury decide what happened june 16th? no. REDIRECT 14:26:30 - did she tell you her daughter was missing? no, kidnapped? no. needed help? no. did she give you any indication something was wrong? no. ERICA GONZALEZ - DARK LONG BLACK HAIR, BLACK SWEATER/BLAZER 14:29:00 - detailing work history, full time mom, education, location, working at fusion night club, shot girl. 14:30:00 - was that a nightly occurrence? it was once every friday. did you work every friday in june 2008? I believe so. OBJECTION, OVERRULED. 14:30:35- did you come into contact with casey? I did. was this at fusion? it was. did you know her beforehand? I did not. how did you meet? I met her through one of the girls at the night club. 14:31:15 - did you have the opportunity to speak with her? when I was a shot girl I spoke to her many times. 14:31:40 - she was kind of like our manager. we'd tell her what we were wearing and if anything happened, she'd protect us. 14:32:30 - did casey ever tell you what to wear? no. ever make suggestions? no. did you ever speak to casey about things outside fusion? 14:33:16 - from speaking with her did you know where she was living? no. 14:33:44 - do you know ms. realander? I do. did an incident happen that you brought to 14:34:00 - did you know she had a child? yes. how? we were in the bathroom one day and she mentioned her daughter. she was taking care of us and explained she had a daughter. did she tell you anything about her? no. how old? no. her name? no. she was missing? NO. kidnapped? no. actively looking for her? no. anything wrong with her daughter? no. anything going on with her? no. ever see anything in her behavior that would lead you to believe anything was wrong? absolutely not. THANK YOU. CROSS EXAMINATION BACK TO PROSECUTION 14:36:25 - we were talking about dinner with all the shot girls. what else? she was going to call me back so we could meet up. she never called back. said she was heading to airport to pick someone up. did she say who? no. did you learn casey's daughter was missing? yes. what did you do? I heard that night I talked to her. I texted her the next day that if she needed anything let me know. I made flyers for my job. did you get response? she said thank you and that she was worried about caylee. did she say when she saw caylee last? with the nanny. 14:38:45 - did you have any understanding that there was anyone else in car with her? I don't recall. do you recall what your phone number was? yes. may I have it? 321-439-4577. CROSS EXAMINATION 14:40:00 - you stated casey was kind to you? she was. she was nice to you? yes. she looked out for all of you? she did. she talked about her daughter in bathroom? yes. did you see casey drink or get drunk? no. do you have any info as to what may have happened to caylee? as far as? how she died. no. WITNESS EXCUSED. RECESS AT 14:41:50 Late Afternoon Session WITNESS ANTHONY LAZZARO - short dark hair, white shirt, black tie 15:09:40 - when you moved into sutton place who did you live with? cameron. just the two of you for awhile? yes. two of my friends slept on the couch. one was roy house and nathan. did they pay any rent? no, it was just a friendly gesture. 15:10:45 - talks about full sail, college schedule, school open 24-7. 15:11:20 - what was your schedule may june 2008? it wasn't consistent. morning class 9-1 then sometimes an evening lab. 15::12:09- did you receive a computer? yes, macbook pro. as part of your education did you take it upon yourself to put on either shows or do some sort of events? they wanted you to get involved with the other kids because these could be people you'd work with in the music industry. 15:13:00- during may, june 2008, did you try to set up a small business? yes. what did you do? i had experience deejaying. me and clint started our own company doing promotion. did it have a name? we had a bunch of names but it became DBC entertainment. 15:14:15 -when did you start working as deejay? we went to fusion. we met with the owner. we said hey we're deejays, we have experience, if you're interested we could do a party on a friday night. that's basically how that started. 15:15:08 - that started in june. at the same time you were taking classes? yes sir. did you own a car this time period? yes. what kind? 97 jeep grand cherokee. 15:15:50 - may 2008, did there come a time you came in contact with casey? yes sir? how did that start? I met her on facebook, we became friends. I found her through facebook, it shows people in your area, so i sent her a friend request. did she respond immediately? I don't know. 15:17:10 - first time we met in person was at my friend's birthday. his name was dan howard. this was the same time I was starting deejay company around the end of May. I was inviting a ton of people and made it a facebook event. That's when she got back to me to go to the party. 15:18:15 - while you were talking did you learn she had a child? I believe so? did you know her name? I can't recall? do you know how old she was? a toddler 15:18:48 - what were your first impressions? pretty girl. she showed up with bunch of friends. we hit it off. 15:19:20 - did you make plans to see her again? Not that night but shortly after. 15:19:45 - she would come over and show up to my apartment. how often? a couple of times. a week? more or less a couple times a week. 15:20:15- did she bring her daughter? yes. did you two stay at apt. or go out? we went to the pool. she brought her daughter over and we went down by the pool. at your apt. complex? yes sir. do you remember when? I'd say June 2nd. 15:21:06 - do you know what arden villas is? That's not ringing a bell. did you invite her to another party? I remember inviting her to a pool party. did she attend? yes. bring anyone? no. 15:22:00 - aware of her car? yes. what was she driving? white pontiac. on june 4th 2008, did you attend party for troy brown? yes. who went? me, clint and maria. when you went to that party where was it? club voyage. when you went there on the 4th of june, who drove? casey did. what car did you take? her car. was it during this time you first met caylee? yes. did you see her in any other context? yes, when we went to mall of millenia. it was a friday afternoon, I'd say the 13th. 15:24:30 - went to mall to hand out flyers for event. when you did that, was casey with you? no. did she go to mall with you? yes. she and caylee walked around the mall. did you meet up again? yes. we went to cheesecake factory and had a late lunch. how did you get to mall? I believe it was in her car. 15:25:30 - did caylee ever spend the night at your apartment? no sir. 15:25:50 - when casey dropped you off at the apartment, was that the last time you saw caylee? yes sir. 15:26:30- did you go to fusion june 13, 2008. yes sir. did casey attend? yes sir. who hires the shot girls? it was between me and clint and the other two promoters. who would instruct the shot girls? it came down to the owner. 15:27:59 - casey wanted to help out so we said you could tell the shot girls what they needed to know. did she tell them what to wear? I don't recall. 15:28:40 - she had a job at universal studios? did she tell you what she did? something with events. did she ever give you details about the job? throughout the relationship she'd talk abuot specific people. I recall a Jeff, other girls names. did she complain about the job? I can't remember specifics. She might have. see her with ID? she'd walk in apt. with universal badge. did it have pic on it? yes. 15:30;15 - her babysitter and her mother (were taking care of caylee while casey was at work). did she talk to you about the babysitter's name? at that point, zani. this was at begining of relationship? yes. tell you where zani lived? no. any relatives? no. cared for any other kids? no. ever discuss what she paid zani? I don't remember. did she ever tell you when the nanny would take care of her and when her mother would take care of her? it would be either or. 15:32:06 COUNSEL APPROACHES BENCH 10 MINUTE RECESS. 15:40:18 - testimony resumes. 15:42:17- pic of tony and casey. 15:42:30 - was that pic taken in june, 2008? yes sir. can you tell when it was taken? it'd have to be early june when I began promoting ....is that accurate representation of what you both looked like on June 13, 2008? yes sir. 15:43:43 - SIDEBAR shot of george and cindy at 15:46:10 15:48:20 - OBJECTION NOTED AND OVERRULED 15:48:41 - PIC IS PUBLISHED TO THE JURY 15:49:15 - after this showcase, did casey return to your apt? yes. did she stay over? yes. was this the first time she stayed over? I believe so yes, definitely. did there come a time after june 13 that casey began spending more time with you? yes. mid to late june. did she spend every night? yes. 15:50:45 - did you see defendant that day (June 16)? yes. what time? anywhere after 6:30-7. do you recall going to blockbuster? yes. with casey? yes. 15:51:45 - JUDGGE READS: copy of video surveillance at blockbuster are true and accurate represenation. parties have agreed to this fact. should be considered true in your deliberations. you may proceed. 15:52:40 - move DVD of video into evidence. 15:53:30- video published to jury 15:53:39 - shots of video surveillance at blockbuster being shown in court 15:54:30 - did you recognize yourself? yes, that's the marbury jersey. you have your arms around someone? who? casey. this is on june 16, 2008? yes sir. how would you describe her demeanor? the way she was every day. which was? happy ..happy to see me, having a grand old time. did she ever cry? no. act scared? no. nervous? tell you that dauther was missing? no. something wrong with her? no. something happeend to her? no. attitude any different than previous times you had seen her? no.did she stay over that night? yes sir. from there on did she stay with you? yes. 15:56:51- any toiletries for caylee? no. do you recall her talking to caylee on phone? not taht I recall. her parents? any time she talked on phone she went outside. on this night, did she call anyone? no. on june 16th,this was a new relationship? yes. did you care for her? yes. it was going well? yes. any fights? no. disagreements? no. She stayed that night, correct? yes. the following day did you spend with her? yes, I played hookey. why? didn't feel like leaving my home. you spent you day with Casey? yes. what was your phone number? i've changed it so many times, I can't remember. It was an ATT. 15:59:20 - on june 17th you play hookey? yes. what did you do? stayed in my room. any change in casey's behavior? no. did she give you any indication anything wrong? no. say antying about her daughter? no. do you recall if she ever called anyone in your presence? not in my presence. you spend the entire day and night with her june 17? yes sir. how about june 18? I went to class. what was casey doing? going to work, going to see caylee, wherever she had to go. did she tell you where she'd go? no. you understood she had a job? yes. 16:01:25 - on june 19 did you go looking for apt? yes. did you go with casey? yes. 16:01:58 -who were you planning on living with? nathan and brian. did you bring defendant? yes. did you both look at it? no. she didn't have ID on her. during this time period, where was casey living? she was living at home, she was always talking about taking the anthony's home because they were going to move out. 16:03:37 - the defendant was goin gto live with amy, either in another home or apt? yes. did she say anything about her dad? not at that time? her mother? not that I can recall at that time. Right now everything's pretty good? yes sir. 16:04:15 - by the 18th of june were you sharing any of your secrets? not that I recall. June 20th, did you go to fusion again? yes sir. another hip hop showcase? did casey go with you? yes sir. did anything different happen? yes, there was a hot body contest. promoted beforehand? I can't recall but it was a last minute decision. when you got there, were there enough to have a contest? more or less. At some point did casey particpate? yes. who asked her to participate? I wasn't present. she told me about it. any objections to it? I can't recall, I maybe hestitated for a second. 16:06:45 - since this is your showcase, what is your role? my role is to make sure nothing got out of hand. that was basically it. 16:07:55 - do you recognize that photo? yes. what is it? the hot body contest? do you recogize casey? yes. what is she wearing? a blue dress. you were present while this was going on? yes. a fair and accurate representation of contest? yes sir. MOVE INTO EVIDENCE. BAEZ OBJECTS. OVERRULED. RECEIVED INTO EVIDENCE. PUBLISHED TO JURY. 16:10:00 - any diffrence in casey's behavior? no sir. any time did she tell you caylee is missing? no sir. kidnapped? no sir. actively looking for her? no sir. ask you for help? no. she needed help? something had happened to her? no. 16:11:22- was showcase a success? yes. defendant came home with you? yes sir. June 23rd, was there a time casey told you she had run out of gas? yes sir. what time? mid to late afternoon. where you in class? I was at home. what did she tell you? she ran out of gas and needed to be picked up. did she sound scared? no. frantic? no. worried? no. I went to where she was an picked her up. 16:13:16 - did you talk to her on phone while going to meet her? yes. did she have anything with her? a backpack. had you seen it before? I can't remember. where did you go? she said she had gas at her house. had you been to her house? no. did she direct you? yes. Parked in driveway. where there any cars in driveway? no. where did you go? to her backyard. did you go into garage? yes. how did you get in? she opened it. 16:14:38 - when door opened, any cars in garage? no. did you go in anthony home? we went to back yard. did you recall being inside home? I don't recall. you went to side of house? we went to the shed. we had to open it. that;s where gas cans werre. we broke lock with tire iron from my truck. were you concerned? yes. she said it's ok it's my shed. 16:16:08 - did you break the lock? yes. how many gas cans did you take? two. what did you do with them? put them in the truck and she directed me to her car. who put gas into car? casey did. after, what did she do with cans? she put them in trunk. what kind of car? white pontiac. when she opened the trunk could you see inside? no. where did you go? back to my apt. did casey express concern with breaking into shed? no. did her mood change? no. was she ok? yes. 16:18:04 - what happened when she took a phone call? she'd go outside. 16:18:25 - did you find it odd she'd leave every time she took a phone call? yes and no. i thought it'd be a private matter with her mom. was there a change in mood? no. ever give you any details? no. did casey ever say to you I'm going to call the babysitter? yes. did she dial a phone? she'd grab phone and go outside. did she tell you about arguments with mom? I don't remember anything specific. did her mood change after talking with mom? no, not drastically. did she give you details? no, it wasn't my business. 16:20:20 - did she give you any indication about home life? after I got back from NY. Gone June 30 to 5th july. 16:21:25 - did she tell you where she was? at an amscot. where? end of goldenrod road. did you pick her up? yes. did yo get out of car? no. was she in car? outside of car. did she have anything in her hands? bags or groceries. what did she have? groceries. when she got in car, did she have anger about running out of gas? she said the car broke down and my father will look at it. 16:23:10 - what did casey say when you offered help? that her father would take care of it. after you picked her up did you go to apt.? yes. drop off groceries? yes. did you go to fashion square mall later that day? yes. 16:24:20 - COPY OF VIDEO SURVEILLANCE FROM JC PENNEY. SUBMITTED INTO EVIDENCE. PUBLISHED TO JURY. 16:25:50 - VIDEO SHOWN TO JURY AND IN COURT 16:27:17 - do you recognize yourself? yes. how about casey is she there? yes. 16:27:55 - more shots of video 16:28:57 - I take it you drove to the mall? yes sir. did you ever see that car again? no. did you buy anything at the mall? did I personally? no. June 27, did you go to fusion again? yes. another showcase? yes. did casey go with you? yes sir. 16:29:57 - do you recognize that photo? yes. who is that? myself and casey anthony. when was it taken? june 27th. 16:30:57 - is this accurate representation of what you and casey looked like on june 27th? yes. BAEZ OBJECTS. OVERRULED. RECEIVED INTO EVIDENCE. 16:31:47 - on this night, was there any change in casey's demeanor? no sir. was she upset? no sir. angry? no sir. sad? no sir. her daughter was missing? no sir. kidnapped? no sir. she needed help? no sir. 16:32:45- what date did you leave for vacation? the 30th of june. how did you get to airport? casey drove me and cameron to the airport. how did you get to airport? in my jeep. did you drive? yes. what was the plan for the car? casey was supposed to drop it off at sutton place. 16:33:48 - did you agree to let her use your car? no. did you talk abuot the status of her car? yes. her dad was supposed to take is someplace ...mechanic or dealership. her father was taking care of it. 16:34:36 - is casey in this court? yes. what is she wearing? she's wearing a blue blouse. THANK YOU YOUR HONOR. WITNESS IS SUBJECT TO RECALL. CROSS EXAMINATION. 16:35:52 - you realize casey is standing trial on a death penalty case? yes. did she talk about murders she committed? no. did she borrow duct tape? no. get any weapons? no. what about the second photo. did she talk about murdering anyone? no. murdering caylee? no. any weapons? no. borrow any knives and guns? no. borrow anything she could use to commit a murder? no. what about JC Penny. buy any duct tape? no. plastic bags? no. weapons? no. 16:39:00 -you had no issues dating a girl with a child? no. you liked caylee? yes. did casey be attentive to caylee? yes. did she neglect her? no. go without food? no. wearing dirty clothes? no. most of interaction was that she was a good mother? yes. 16:40:03 - on june 2nd you went to pool? yes. did casey discipline caylee? not that I recall. Do you recall by the pool where she raised her voice? not by the pool. do you recall that at all? no. if i show you your statement on september 18, 2008, would that help? sure. 16:42:02 - tell jury what happened? she was going near pool, didn;t want her to go near pool. what did casey do? what any mother would do, stop her from getting near the pool. did caylee enjoy the pool? yes. you saw that? yes. 16:43:15 - there was a secret she shared, right? yes. OBJECT. sustained on heresay. SIDEBAR. 16:44:30 - OBJECTION SUSTAINED. 16:45:00 - you were cooperative with law enforcement? yes sir. the only people you talked to was law enforcement? yes sir. you wouldn't speak to defense? you cooperated with their every request? yes. you allowed them to tap your phone? yes. you wore a wire? yes. 16:46:00 - you never made any statements to media? no. you never sold any photos or made money off this case? no sir. 16:46:40 - the first time casey ran out of gas, you had to break into the shed? yes. Could she have broken in? she could have. 16:47:28 - at that point, you drove to her car? yes. did she say stay away from the car? no. was she blocking you in any way? no. did she tell you to stay away? no. when she poured the gas into tank, you were standing next to her? right. how far is trunk, a few feet away? more than two feet. 16:48:51 - after she poured gas can in, she opened trunk? no. at any time did you smell any stench in that car? no sir. but I wasn't in the car. 16;51:01 - do you recall if you saw lining of trunk? no sir. baez shows him statement from october 2008. 16:51:45 - when she opened trunk, you could see liner? yes. on the edge of the car. the second time she ran out of gas, she told you she ran out of gas? yes. I said broke down meaning she ran out of gas. on the 27th of june, you came because she ran out of gas? yes. I was just offering help in general. 16:53:10 - baez wants to introduce photo after talking about hardship for lazzaro to return to testify. 17:02:15 - you can't introduce those now. read the ID numbers into the record just so we know what you're talking about. 17:03:15 - when you went to pick up casey at amscot, her car was in a parking spot, right? it was cockeyed. it was at goldenrod? where goldenrod meets colonial. 17:04:38 - you can approach witness but don't expose it to jury 17:07:50 - WE WILL COME BACK TOMORROW. RECESS FOR THE EVENING.
CASEY ANTHONY TRIAL / ISO P5
FTG FOR COVERAGE OF THE CASEY ANTHONY MURDER TRIAL / DAY 2 OF TRIAL / CASEY ISO CAM Early Morning Session 9:01:03 - I'm not going to have a jury waiting around as you search for files. How much time do need to search for a file? if you continue this you'll be working Sundays to. You need to put your heads together. there's be a 10 minute recess. SESSION RESUMES AT 9:14:50 - Cameron Campana called to stand - lond dark hair, wearing dark colored shirt. 9:16:11 - 2007 to 2009, almost three years. did you graduate from full sail? yes, 9:16:30 - what do you currently do? I'm a club promoter in cleveland 9;16:45- sutton place apartments, I forget which apartment number. I lived with Anthony Lazarro. It was a two bedroom, two bathroom apartment, maybe one thousand square feet. 9:18:26 - at one point you had four men living in this apartment? yes. 9:18:55 - directing your attention to May, June, 2008. can you tell me your school schedule? 9:19:54 - SIDEBAR 9:21:50- did your classes also entail working? no. after you went to classes from 1-9, you were done? yes. 9:22:34 - we started at the same time, we were on different schedules. did you have the occassion to meet casey. 9:23:04- I met her through anthony lazarro after a birthday party, May 24th or around that date. 9:23:32- she was just a regular 22 year old girl, happy, just seemed normal. just your average 22 year old. 9:24:12- the middle of June, 2008 (casey started staying with them) 9:24:30- I would see har daily once she would start staying with us. outside the apartent, 2 or 3 times. 9:24:55 - about four times maybe three (met caylee). either in lazarro's room or in lving room watching tv 9:25:33- Caylee never spent the night at the apartment. 9:25:58 - she had mentioned to us she worked for universal as an event coordinator. she would talk about her job every now and them. she had mentioned picking up tickets for a batman premeiere. she'd say work was stressing her out. she told anthony she was going to get red carpet tickets for the premeier but it never happened. 9:28:20 - she told us she was looking for an apartment with amy. had you met her? i believe once. 9:29:05 - did you ever see defendant getting ready to go to work? no. 9:29:20 - when she started living with you did you ever see caylee again? I believe once. we had asked and one time she said she was going to universal with the nanny. the other time she was going to cocoa beach for a birthday party. 9:30:03 - she said she'd talk to caylee on the phone. 9:30:21- did you ever hear her on the phone talking to her daughter? no. did you hear her talking to the nanny? no. did you ever hear her on the phone? she'd step outside and talk. she'd go out by the pond out back. when she came back to the apartment did she tell you who she was talking to? I asked her why she always went out side and she said it was her time to vent. 9:31:50- who was doing the cooking? everyone would do their part. she'd started cooking and buying groceries. 9:32:28 - it was mostly her laundry, sometimes anthony's and I think one time she did mine. she helped clean, we all helped keep it. 9:33:15- did you have a computer? yes, macbook pro. did your roomates have computer? yes. did you see the defendant with a compyuter? yes. did you see her using it? yes. Did you ever use it? no. did she ever ask to borrow your computer? no. anyone else? no. 9:34:11 - she seemed just the same, nothing had changed. she was happy. seemed excited about life. did you ever socailize outsid the apartment? one or two times. 9:34:51- have you ever heard of fusion. 9:35:55- have you ever met george or cindy anthony? no 9:36:11 - did you see any clothing that belonged to caylee? only when she brought her over. did you see it after she started living with you? not that I saw. any stuffed animals? no. 9:37:00- did she ever tell you her daughter was missing? no. that she'd been kidnapped? no. did she ever ask you for help in finding caylee? no. are you aware of an incident July 15 when the defendants mother came to your apartment? I had class and anthony told me what happened. 9:38:10 - had you ever met lee anthony before? no. what did you tell him? I was sorry about what had happened. how did he seem? he seemed calm but at the same time he was worried. he came and picked up a bag of clothes casey had in anthony's room. did you have any contact with defendant after that night? no. lee anthony? no. 9:39;15 - NO FURTHER QUESTIONS, CROSS EXAMINATION BEGINS 9:39:36- were you in casey's home, June, 2008, when caylee drowned? no. end of questions. NEXT WITNESS - NATHAN LEZNIEWICZ - buzz cut, tan shirt 9:41:28 - Nathan Lezniewicz called to stand 94:2:33 - lived in Orlando, going to full sail university for audio engineering. attended for a year and half. attained no degree. currently in band in Vero Beach, also played in bands while attending full sail. 9:43:40 - first started living with Tony Lazarro at end of May 2008. slept on couch, planned on staying for about a month once lease ended 9:44:30 - school schedule for month of June was 9-5. no work outside of school at time. left town a lot. 9:45:08 - how did you first meet Casey Anthony? the drummer of my band, Daniel Howard, had a birthday party which is where Tony and Casey first met. She seemed like a normal 22 year old girl. She was outgoing. 9:46:04 - where did you first meet Caylee? at my apartment 9:46:39 - did she ever spend the night? did casey or caylee ever spend the night? no sir. did there ever come a time she stayed every day? when? third and fourth week of june her staying over picked up quite a bit. 9:47:25 - did she every tell you about her employment? she said she was employed at universal. did you ever see ID badge? no sir. did she ever talk about her work? once in a while. The only thing she talkd about a batman premiere. 9:48:30 - did she ever complain about her work? no sir 9:48:45 - while you were getting ready for school, was she getting ready for work? she was getting ready also and I assumed that's where she was going. 9:49:22- did you spend time alone with her? yes sir. what did you do? hang out, watch tv. was Tony's other roommate, from Ft. Pierce, was in a band, travelled a 9:45:18 - first met casey when drummer in his band had a bday party. Casey was there. That's where tony met her. 9:45:44 - she seemed like a normal girl 9:51:10 - typically she was with the nanny, out doing things. was there anything about casey's demeanor that made you qeustion what she was telling you? no sir. 9:51:50- did she tell you about her parents? not much. when she had a conversation with her parents, she'd leave the apartment because she didn't want us to hear them. did you ever hear here speaking to her daughter? no sir. the nanny? no sir. 9:52:53- did you ever get near car? no sir. did she tell you she was having car trouble? just one morning when she broke down near the amscot. 9:53:40 - what did she do while in the apartment? did she cook? yes. did she clean? yes. did she do the laundry? no, not mine. where did you socialize? fusion nightclub, mostly friday evenings. were there any things going on friday nights? 9:54:44 - how many times were you at fusion with casey? two or three times maybe. 9:56:20 - pic of casey with NATHAN 9:56:40- when you were at fusion did she participate in a contest? yes. what was that contest? a hot body contest. 9:57:30- where was that photo taken? at fusion. was this during June, 2008? yes sir. BAEZ ASKS FOR SIDEBAR, JUDGE SAYS Not at this point. 9:58:16 - photo admitted into evidence. 9:58:34 - SIDEBAR AGAIN. 10:02:58 - JUDGE ALLOWS PHOTO TO BE PUBLISHED TO JURY 10:03:20 - she always seemed like she was having a good time. she's an outgoing personality. at any time she was living with you, did you ever see her distraught? no sir. depressed? no sir. scared? no sir. angry? no sir. did she ever tell you her daughter was missing? no sir. her daughter was kidnapped? no sir. did she ever ask for help in trying to find her? no sir. 10:05:03 - during this time period, was there anything about her demeanor that gave you concern? no sir. when there was a knock on the door, there was a blond girl there I didn't recognize. casey stepped outside and closed the door. she came back inside with her mother and amy huizinga. did you see casey come back after she left with the blond gir? yes. what happened? she was in an argument with cindy and cindy told her to get her stuff and go. did she go outside? yes sir. did she come back? no. did you ever see her again? no. did you speak with her on the phone. no sir. 10:06:51 - we were confused. we didn't know what was going on. we thought it was just something between her, her mother and roommmate. 10:07:30 - lee felt bad for us and said his sister was known to get into trouble ...objection, sustained. 10:08:12- were you visited by law enforcement? yes. how many times? twice. 100900 - did law enforcement question you about amy? no. how long were they there? about five minutes, just enough to collect cell phone. 10:09:46 - what did police do the second time? they searched the apartment. how long where they there? maybe 20-25 minutes. did they take items with them? I do not recall. 10:10:15 =- did you see any clothing belonging to caylee? no sir. any stuffed animals? no sir. NO FURTHER QUESTIONS CROSS EXAMINATION 10:11:12 - you saw caylee how many times? two to three. did she look hungry? no. well fed? yes. did casey seem attentive? yes. 10:12:10 - looking back at casey's behavior, there was no indication that caylee was dead? no sir. there was no signs in any way shape or form? no sir. 10:13:07 - she didn't park 50 yards away where no other cars were parked? no sir. I have no further questions. 10:13:30 - were you present on june 2008 when caylee drowned in the pool? no sir. SIR YOU MAY STAND DOWN. BREAK Late Morning Session TESTIMONY RESUMES AT 10:36:09 STATE CALLS ROY HAUSE GOES BY CLINT - short dark hair, blue button down. 10:39:04 - where do you live? jacksonville, sir. was there a time you lived in orlando? yes sir. when? 2007-2009. what were you studying there? recording arts to engineer and produce music. how long were you there? 10 months. did you get a degree? no. 10:39:56 - where did you live? with tony and cam. what time period in 2008? I was only there a few months. I moved in the end of April and moved out June, 2008. 10:40:43- do you recall during that time period you were at school? I'd be there from 1am to 5am, sometimes 1pm to 5pm. 10:41:20 - did you meet casey? yes I did. do you recall where? tony and I met her at a party. 10:41:56 - she seemed like a fun party girl who'd get along with our group of friends. 10:42:30 - did you ever meet caylee? yes. where? at the sutton place apartments. how many times? four or five times. did caylee ever stayed over? no she never stayed over? did there come a times casey started staying full time? yes. when? middle of June she started spending most of the nights there. did you mind? no, not at all? was this a big apartment? no, we were all kind of crammed in there. 10:43:55 - did casey ever tell you about her employment? she said she worked at universal. did you ever see credentials? no. did she complain about it? no. 10:44:41 - she didn't talk about her work all that much. 10:44:55- when she started staying full time, did you ever see caylee? when she started aying on regular basis we stopped seeing caylee. did you ask her about caylee? yes. she said she was with the nanny. did she indicate nanny was local? yes. did she indicate caylee was anywhere but orlando? no. did it seem odd child was always with nanny. objection. did you question her about where caylee was? i asked her where caylee was and she said she was with the nanny. was there any concern in her voice? no. did she appear worried about where caylee was? no. did she seem sad about not seeing her? her demeanor never changed. 10:47:10 - did you also had a laptop? yes. did casey have a laptop? yes. what kind? hp. did you ever use her computer? no. did she ever use yours? no. did she ever use anyone's but her own? no. while she was staying with you, were you ever present when she spoke on the phone? yes. to whom was she speaking? she'd always walk outside and was either on phone with nanny or her mother. was there any change in her demeanor? no. did she appear nervous? no sir. scared? no sir. 10:48:52- did you see her on daily basis at this time? yes. where did you recall going with her? every friday night we had our own promotional night at fusion and she'd come every friday. she'd try to help us bring people out. when you say she helped bring people out, what do you mean? because she was tony's girlfriend, she'd tell her friends to come out using facebook, myspace, texts. 10:50:29 - none of her friends ever came. 10:50:40 - did casey participate in those events? yes. what role did she play? she was in a couple contests I hosted. she was in a hot body contest, she would mingle with the crowd. 10:51:40 - did casey have anything to do with selecting shot girls? no. did she have anything to do with how they dressed? she'd give them some tidbits but I was telling the girls what they needed to wear. she would say maybe they should wear these shorts with this shot. 10:52:55- do you know a woman by the name of marie kish? yes. did she attend any of the nights at fusion? yes she did. DEFENSE CONFERS, NOW A SIDEBAR. 10:59:50 - SHOT OF GEORGE AND CINDY IN COURTROOM. 11:04:00 - testimony resumes 11:04:11 - what was her demeanor at fusion? she was partying and having a good time. did she seem upset about anything? no. did she seem happy? yes. 11:04:58 - they both seemed happy with each other. she'd come over and cook dinner for everybody. tony seemed happy and so did she. did you see casey and tony fight? no. did you ever notice casey sad? no. angry? no. depressed? no. withdrawn? no. she was still same. 11:06:08 - were you home July 15? no, I moved out. moved out two weeks before that. 11:07:20 - did you have any further contact with casey? no. did she ever tell you her daughter was kidnapped? no. was she worried about her? no. she needed help? no. NO FURTHER QUESTIONS 11:08:36 - the extent you know casey is a month and a half? yes. and you saw caylee how many times? four or five times. did she have backpack? yes. she would have toys, flashcards with shaped and colors. what other learning tools did you see casey teach caylee. never saw any other learning tools. she did have some dvds she brought over. in this bag you'd see diapers, other snacks? yes sir. did you see caylee malnourished? no sir. neglected? no sir. see casey strike caylee? no sir. treat caylee as a burden? no. would you say she was a good mother? yes I would. 11:10:55 - did you ever seen them go out to the pool? no. were you aware that tony lazarro casey and caylee went to pool on june 2nd? yes. who else was there? no one but them. 11:1:44- you weren't keeping a close eye on casey's computer at any time? no sir. 11:13:30- discussion about fusion, what it is, sushi bar, etc. 11:14:17 - this business with shot girls, that's part of your ambiance? yes. casey wasn't a shot girl, was she? no sir. she volunteered to manage these girls? she wasn't managing anybody. that was me and tony. this was while she was staying with you, rent free? yes. part of pulling her weight helping you financially? yes. cooking? yes. cleaning? yes. trash? no, that was us guys. 11:16:00- casey was a friendly girl? yes. she cared about people? yes. she cared about you? yes. you saw her caring for her child? yes. you found out caylee was dead during that time period? yes, i have. you noticed no change in her behavior from the time period she was a loving and caring mother up until the time caylee was deceased? never saw one change in her. 11:17:00 WITNESS EXCUSED 11:18:30 - MARIA KISSH - LONG DARK HAIR, GRAY BLAZER, BLUE BLOUSE. 11:19:20 - she describes who she is, her job in retail sales, educational background at UF, majored in political science, 2007. employed in 2008. working for man running for county office. paying job. had position in may, june 2008. 11:22:00 - I was introduced through clint. had you already known tony? yes. had you known nathan? yes. you knew all these people but casey was a new person you met? yes. did you meet her daughter? no. at some point did you meet caylee? yes. where? at tony's apartment. what do you recall about meeting her? caylee answered the door by herself. had you seen her before? no sir. did you ask her who she was? I knew who she was and said hi, how are you. when you walking in did you see casey? no. at some point did you see her? I did. where from? tony's room. how much time did you spend with caylee? not long, a half hour. 11:24:20 - was casey anywhere around? I saw her come out of the room for a minute and then she went back into tony's room. 11:24:55 - I ended up sitting on balcony and caylee was out there as well. clint got me and said he was ready to go. I felt uncomfortable. why? I didn't want to leave caylee alone. was it (balcony) screened? yes, it was. OBJECTION. APPROACH. 11:26:27 - SHOT OF GEORGE ANTHONY 11:28:30 - SHOT OF CASEY TALKING WITH FEMALE ATTORNEY 11:30:14 - SHOT OF EVIDENCE, FILES, FILE BOXES 11:33:10 - testimony continues 11:33:23 - right around that time, tony caylee and casey were going to leave as well. so casey and tony came out and casey told caylee to get her shoes on because it was time to leave. that was about it. I saw caylee struggling to put on her shoes and socks so i helped her put on her shoes. was caylee verbal with you? yes. she was. was the plan for all of you to go out together? no. 11:35:10 - after that visit, did you see caylee again? yes sir. how often were you at your boyfriend's? 2 to 3 times a week. did you stay the night? a couple times. when you were there, did you recall a time casey was there? I do. all the time? yes. how did you become aware of that. I talked to clint and he would tell me casey's been there all day. OBJECTION. sustained. 11:36:22- was the defendant there? yes. when you stayed for dinner was she there? yes. how would you describe relationship with casey? we saw each other several times because tony and clint would be together. we didn't have a friendship but it was an acquaintance. 11:37:18 - she said she worked for univeral as an event planner. any other details? no sir. ever tell you her hours? not that i can remember. ever see any ID from universal? no sir. did you question if she workd at universal? no sir. 11:38:10 - spend time with casey outside apartment? yes. what kinds of things? going out at night to bar or club and grabbing a bite to eat. did you see casey and tony together? yes. what were your observations on them as couple? OBJECTION, opinion, overruled. 11:39:08 - They got along well, it seemd to be beneficial for tony. did they appear to like each other? I believe so. 11:39:40 - did you ever see them argue? no. do you know what fusion is? yes. what is it? restaurant slash night club. were you at fusion with boyfriend and casey? yes sir. how many times? one time. 11:40:30 - I went to fusion with casey on June 20th. how do you remember? it was a friday and there was a hot body contest that night. 11:41:10 - what do you recall about hot body contest. objection. sustained. did you witness it? yes sir. did defendant participate? yes sir. what was defendant wearing during contest? she was wearing thin knit dress, blueish color. 11:42:34 - pic of casey and nathan 11:43:00 - based on outfit she appears to be wearing, is this an accurate representation of what she was wearing on june 20, 2008. yes. did you participate? no sir. PIC REPUBLISHED TO JURY 11:44:00 - do you recall any role other than being in hot body contest? yes. what was her role? she was in charge of the shot girls. did you see her interacting with them? i did. did you hear her telling them what they were supposed to do? i did. did you hear her discussing their attire? i can't remember. was there anyting about casey's demeanor that alarmed you? no. did she appear angry or upset? no sir. 11:45:20 - where did you stay that night? at the apartment. did you see casey next morning? yes, in kitchen in the morning. did you have a discussion? yes. I asked her where caylee was. she said she was spending weekend at the beach with the nanny. did she give you nanny's name? no. she told me she paid the nanny 400 dollars a week. 11:46:40 - did you ask casey about caylee's dad? APPROACH OBJECTION OVERRULED 11:48:40- what did casey tell you about caylee's dad? she told me he was deceased. 11:49:20 - what did she tell you her living situation was? that she was going to move into her parent's house and they were giving the house to her and caylee. when? didn't give an exact time, within the next couple of months. did casey ever tell you her daughter was missing? no. kidnapped? no. out looking for her? no. asked for help? no. 11:50:15 - did you ride in her car? yes. when? can't remember exact date. it was while she was staying with them, cling and tony. when you were in the car, who were you with? I was with casey, tony and clint. THANK YOU. CROSS EXAMINATION. 11:51;10 - where did you go in the car? to get something to eat. when you sat in back seat did you smell odor? no sir. clint was in backseat? yes. did he say anything? no sir. did tony say anything? no sir. 11:52:30 - you didn't like her being at house? it didn't bother me. your boyfriend lived at house? correct. and casey was at the same house? correct. it struck you odd she was there all the time? yes sir. you would call your boyfriend when she was there? yes. that didn't bother you? no, it never bothered me at all. END OF QUESTIONING around 11:50am Early Afternoon Session 13:14:12 - defense claims the testimony to the shovel is not relevant. says the shovel is misleading, not related nor tied to the offense. we present motion to exclude mention of shovel 13:16:36 - DENIED - just because you're not contesting does not alleviate state's obligation to prove something. anything else before we bring jury back in. BAEZ - objects again. 13:17:34 - discussion of audio problems. 13:20:11 - JURY RETURNS 13:21:15 STATE CALLS BRIAN BURNER - neighbor with shovel. heavy-set man with blue button down shirt, dark hair. 13:22:08 - do you know george and cindy? I do. how do you know them? neighbors. They are your next door neighbors? correct. when did you move into your home? 2005. when you moved in where the anthonys already living there? yes. was casey living there? yes. Lee? I don't recall. how would you describe your relationship with the anthonys? cordial neighbors. did they go to your house for dinner? no. you to theirs? no. 13:24:04 - are any of your children friends with casey or lee? no. 13:24:20 - week of june 16, 2008. were you in your home at that time? yes. did you take a vacation? I did. June 2008? yes. when did you return home? evening of the 16th. you were home on June 17th? yes. did you see casey? I saw casey's vehicle. it was backing into the garage. had you seen casey drive that car before? yes. did anyone else drive it during this time period? no. 12:26:00 - was car into garage or driveway? into the garage. I could see the front end of garage from our window. Did that seem strange? no. have you seen the car backed into the driveway before? not until that day. do you know how long car was there? no. were you home on the 18th? i was doing yardwork outside. was anyone else outside? no. 13:27:15 - did you see casey? she approached me later in the afternoon? when? around 1:30. why did she approach you? she said she wanted to borrow a shovel to dig up a bamboo root. 13:28:20 - pic of shovel 13:28:30 - is that the shovel you lent to casey? yes. OBJECTION OVERRULED AND IT WILL BE RECEIVED INTO EVIDENCE. 13:29:38 - did you see where she came from? no. had she ever asked to borrow anything before? no. did you have a problem with it? no. I walked around to the shed and gave her the shovel. 13:30:29 - did you see her walking into her home? only into the garage. 13:31:00 - while you were cleaning up did you see casey? no. I put equipment in shed then to see if casey was finished. I then went back into the house. I told my son casey borrowed the shovel and if she knocked on the door to take the shovel from her. 13:31:48 - did you get your shovel back? I did. she knocked on the door an hour after I gave her the shovel. did you notice anything different? no. what did you do? I opened garage door and set it in the garage. did you see defendant leave? no. did you see her white car? where? it was back into the garage. 13:32:50 - did you see casey car again that week? one other time. When? either 19 or 20th. 13:33:45 - did you see car pull into the driveway? the car backed in. did you see anything else? no. do you know how long car stayed there? no. 13:34:25 - other than those three instances in June 2008, did you have contact with casey? no. did you have contact with george? one time ...in July. 13:34:55 - when police arrived, did you go outside? no. did you talk to george? no. Cindy? no. when you saw casey on June 18, 2008, did she tell you her daughter was missing? no. kidnapped? no. that she was looking for her? no. did she tell you anything was wrong with her daughter? no. was she upset? no. sad? no. angry? no. just normal. 13:36:40 - THANK YOU SIR. CROSS EXAMINATION 13:37:03 - you fist gave a statement to law enforce. on July 17, 2008, right when media attention began? yes. you saw police cars next door on the 16th? I believe so. do you recall you gave a statement July 17? it was a Thursday. 13:38:10 - when you spoke with them, you told them you didn't know the date casey had borrowed the shovel but knew it was the week of the 16th? correct. you were called into sheriff's on June 30th? yes. you met with corporal edwards? yes. you then spoke with him a while? correct. that's when you started giving them dates? yes. do you recall if edwards asked you to close your eyes to remember because this was important? yes. did edwards tell you that as time passes you start to remember things. would you agree? to some extent. after you closed your eyes, that's when the dates became clear? no. that's when you told him the dates? no. you're saying as time passed you could recall the dates? correct. 12:41:00 - you wouldn't make it a habit to see how she parked her car? no. you're just the average neighbor? yes. you wouldn't consider yourself a nosy neighbor? no. you wouldn't notice how she parks her car every day? correct. 13:41:50 - when she gave you shovel back it wasn't muddy? no. she didn't look sweaty or digging a ditch? not that I recall. 13:42:30 - you can't offer us anything more than speculation about what she did with shovel? yes. NO FURTHER QUESTIONS REDIRECT 13:43:20 - do you recall telling him you saw a pickup? yes, wasn't sure of the vehicle. what do you recall about the incident? that was the monday the gas cans were taken. I looked out window and saw casey and thought nothing of it. 13:44:00 - where did you see casey? in the driveway. could you hear them speaking? no. there was casey and a man? correct. 13:44:33 - do you recall any other car in driveway? no. in garage? no. 13:45:27 - did you see casey drive away? no. did you hear any noises? no. 13:46:00 - was the white car there? no. RECROSS EXAMINATION 13:46:35 - when you started talking about them it was a month later after they occurred? correct. it's tough to recall everything a month prior? correct. no one told you on that day you should be looking for a certain car? correct. 13:48:35 - the anthony family home would be towards the right? correct. 13:49:03 - the date ...CAN I HAVE JUST A MOMENT? 13:49:35 - you didn't see the male? I saw casey and I saw the male first. any time you saw cars, you never saw anyone driving them? no. any time you saw casey's car you didn't see who was driving? correct. this shovel was then turned into fbi? I believe so. after you made that statement, there were media trucks outside your home? yes. for how long? months. STATE OBJECTS TO RELEVANCE. sustained 13:51:15 - you told mr george casey seemed normal? correct. WITHDRAWN WITNESS EXCUSED. RECESS ? 13:55:55 - shots of EVIDENCE BAGS 13:57:05 - MORE SHOTS OF EVIDENCE BAGS Late Afternoon Session 14:06:58 - testimony resumes JAMIE REALANDER - DARK, RED HAIR, BEIGE SWEATER, RED/ORANGE TOP 14:09:10 - detailing where she went to school and where she was working, rosen hotels, working with golf club at shingle creek. 14:10:11 - how did you first meet casey? I met her through a friend at fusion night club. 14:10:40 - who introduced you to casey? I believe it was my friend jenna prentice. who is she? just a friend at the time. was she an employee at fusion? not at that time? how was casey's demeanor? she was happy, seemd like a nice person to be friends with. was this may 2008? yes. was anything odd or out of place? no. 14:11:53- were you employed at some point at fusion? yes. as what? a shot girl. 14;13:10- directing your attention to june 20, 2008, were you a shot girl? no. june 13th? no. june 27th? yes. did you see casey? yes. what was your understanding of her role? she was the one we'd go to with questions. questions such as? where to be stationed, where to go for information. 14:14:15 - did you attend fusion on June 20, not as a shot girl? yes. do you recall a hot body contest? yes. 14:53:52 - do you see photo on monitor? yes. do you recognize yourself? yes. circle where you are. 14:15:19 - pic at FUSION. do you recognize casey? yes. what is she wearing? a blue dress. 14:15:45 - he circles her dress/pic 14:16:00 - anything out of the ordinary you recall from conversations with casey? no. 14:16:25 - is this pic a fair representation of what you and casey looked like on june 20, 2008? yes. You recognize this to be fusion night club? yes. PIC ADMITTED INTO EVIDECE. BAEZ OBJECTS. OBJECTION OVERRULED. PIC MAY BE PUBLISHED 14:17:30 - was she (casey) upset? no. crying? no. objection, overruled. 14:18:30 - were you talked to about what to wear? I don't know if it was by casey. and when you came to work as a shot girl on the 27th of June, casey more or less passed on what you were wearing? yes. did she give you any tips on what to wear? not directly to me. 14:19:40 -was there ever a problem that occurred? yes. tell us. there was large group of people and someone tried to grab one of the shot girls, scratching her. what did casey do? for our safety, she had us leave for the night. we spoke to her on July 15th. was this conversation in person? over the phone. prior to this conversation, were you aware she jad a daughter? no. did you know if she was in a relationship? yes. with who? anthony lazarro. 14:21:00 - we had a conversation about what she'd be diong that day. she went to her job at universal then pick up her daughter casey (on july 15th). 14:21:45 - did she call her daughter by name? no. did she tell you antying about her daughter? that her birthday was the next month and that I was invited to her birthday party? that you were invited? yes. did you see casey outside fusion? no. any subsequent phone calls? not to my knowledge? ever receive text? yes. the one I remember was the day after her mother reported her missing to cops. CROSS EXAMINATION 14:23:50 - did anything happen that had to do with caylee? no. no one saw her? no. did anything happen that night that had to do with her death? no. 14:24:45 - the casey you knew was a nice person? yes. she treated you with respect? yes. she looked out for you and the other girls? yes. was she considered a big sister? yes. she always made sure we were ok and weren't in harms way at all. 14:25:35 - casey was somewhat of a protector? yes. 14:26:00 - you have no information that helps this jury decide what happened june 16th? no. REDIRECT 14:26:30 - did she tell you her daughter was missing? no, kidnapped? no. needed help? no. did she give you any indication something was wrong? no. ERICA GONZALEZ - DARK LONG BLACK HAIR, BLACK SWEATER/BLAZER 14:29:00 - detailing work history, full time mom, education, location, working at fusion night club, shot girl. 14:30:00 - was that a nightly occurrence? it was once every friday. did you work every friday in june 2008? I believe so. OBJECTION, OVERRULED. 14:30:35- did you come into contact with casey? I did. was this at fusion? it was. did you know her beforehand? I did not. how did you meet? I met her through one of the girls at the night club. 14:31:15 - did you have the opportunity to speak with her? when I was a shot girl I spoke to her many times. 14:31:40 - she was kind of like our manager. we'd tell her what we were wearing and if anything happened, she'd protect us. 14:32:30 - did casey ever tell you what to wear? no. ever make suggestions? no. did you ever speak to casey about things outside fusion? 14:33:16 - from speaking with her did you know where she was living? no. 14:33:44 - do you know ms. realander? I do. did an incident happen that you brought to 14:34:00 - did you know she had a child? yes. how? we were in the bathroom one day and she mentioned her daughter. she was taking care of us and explained she had a daughter. did she tell you anything about her? no. how old? no. her name? no. she was missing? NO. kidnapped? no. actively looking for her? no. anything wrong with her daughter? no. anything going on with her? no. ever see anything in her behavior that would lead you to believe anything was wrong? absolutely not. THANK YOU. CROSS EXAMINATION BACK TO PROSECUTION 14:36:25 - we were talking about dinner with all the shot girls. what else? she was going to call me back so we could meet up. she never called back. said she was heading to airport to pick someone up. did she say who? no. did you learn casey's daughter was missing? yes. what did you do? I heard that night I talked to her. I texted her the next day that if she needed anything let me know. I made flyers for my job. did you get response? she said thank you and that she was worried about caylee. did she say when she saw caylee last? with the nanny. 14:38:45 - did you have any understanding that there was anyone else in car with her? I don't recall. do you recall what your phone number was? yes. may I have it? 321-439-4577. CROSS EXAMINATION 14:40:00 - you stated casey was kind to you? she was. she was nice to you? yes. she looked out for all of you? she did. she talked about her daughter in bathroom? yes. did you see casey drink or get drunk? no. do you have any info as to what may have happened to caylee? as far as? how she died. no. WITNESS EXCUSED. RECESS AT 14:41:50 Late Afternoon Session WITNESS ANTHONY LAZZARO - short dark hair, white shirt, black tie 15:09:40 - when you moved into sutton place who did you live with? cameron. just the two of you for awhile? yes. two of my friends slept on the couch. one was roy house and nathan. did they pay any rent? no, it was just a friendly gesture. 15:10:45 - talks about full sail, college schedule, school open 24-7. 15:11:20 - what was your schedule may june 2008? it wasn't consistent. morning class 9-1 then sometimes an evening lab. 15::12:09- did you receive a computer? yes, macbook pro. as part of your education did you take it upon yourself to put on either shows or do some sort of events? they wanted you to get involved with the other kids because these could be people you'd work with in the music industry. 15:13:00- during may, june 2008, did you try to set up a small business? yes. what did you do? i had experience deejaying. me and clint started our own company doing promotion. did it have a name? we had a bunch of names but it became DBC entertainment. 15:14:15 -when did you start working as deejay? we went to fusion. we met with the owner. we said hey we're deejays, we have experience, if you're interested we could do a party on a friday night. that's basically how that started. 15:15:08 - that started in june. at the same time you were taking classes? yes sir. did you own a car this time period? yes. what kind? 97 jeep grand cherokee. 15:15:50 - may 2008, did there come a time you came in contact with casey? yes sir? how did that start? I met her on facebook, we became friends. I found her through facebook, it shows people in your area, so i sent her a friend request. did she respond immediately? I don't know. 15:17:10 - first time we met in person was at my friend's birthday. his name was dan howard. this was the same time I was starting deejay company around the end of May. I was inviting a ton of people and made it a facebook event. That's when she got back to me to go to the party. 15:18:15 - while you were talking did you learn she had a child? I believe so? did you know her name? I can't recall? do you know how old she was? a toddler 15:18:48 - what were your first impressions? pretty girl. she showed up with bunch of friends. we hit it off. 15:19:20 - did you make plans to see her again? Not that night but shortly after. 15:19:45 - she would come over and show up to my apartment. how often? a couple of times. a week? more or less a couple times a week. 15:20:15- did she bring her daughter? yes. did you two stay at apt. or go out? we went to the pool. she brought her daughter over and we went down by the pool. at your apt. complex? yes sir. do you remember when? I'd say June 2nd. 15:21:06 - do you know what arden villas is? That's not ringing a bell. did you invite her to another party? I remember inviting her to a pool party. did she attend? yes. bring anyone? no. 15:22:00 - aware of her car? yes. what was she driving? white pontiac. on june 4th 2008, did you attend party for troy brown? yes. who went? me, clint and maria. when you went to that party where was it? club voyage. when you went there on the 4th of june, who drove? casey did. what car did you take? her car. was it during this time you first met caylee? yes. did you see her in any other context? yes, when we went to mall of millenia. it was a friday afternoon, I'd say the 13th. 15:24:30 - went to mall to hand out flyers for event. when you did that, was casey with you? no. did she go to mall with you? yes. she and caylee walked around the mall. did you meet up again? yes. we went to cheesecake factory and had a late lunch. how did you get to mall? I believe it was in her car. 15:25:30 - did caylee ever spend the night at your apartment? no sir. 15:25:50 - when casey dropped you off at the apartment, was that the last time you saw caylee? yes sir. 15:26:30- did you go to fusion june 13, 2008. yes sir. did casey attend? yes sir. who hires the shot girls? it was between me and clint and the other two promoters. who would instruct the shot girls? it came down to the owner. 15:27:59 - casey wanted to help out so we said you could tell the shot girls what they needed to know. did she tell them what to wear? I don't recall. 15:28:40 - she had a job at universal studios? did she tell you what she did? something with events. did she ever give you details about the job? throughout the relationship she'd talk abuot specific people. I recall a Jeff, other girls names. did she complain about the job? I can't remember specifics. She might have. see her with ID? she'd walk in apt. with universal badge. did it have pic on it? yes. 15:30;15 - her babysitter and her mother (were taking care of caylee while casey was at work). did she talk to you about the babysitter's name? at that point, zani. this was at begining of relationship? yes. tell you where zani lived? no. any relatives? no. cared for any other kids? no. ever discuss what she paid zani? I don't remember. did she ever tell you when the nanny would take care of her and when her mother would take care of her? it would be either or. 15:32:06 COUNSEL APPROACHES BENCH 10 MINUTE RECESS. 15:40:18 - testimony resumes. 15:42:17- pic of tony and casey. 15:42:30 - was that pic taken in june, 2008? yes sir. can you tell when it was taken? it'd have to be early june when I began promoting ....is that accurate representation of what you both looked like on June 13, 2008? yes sir. 15:43:43 - SIDEBAR shot of george and cindy at 15:46:10 15:48:20 - OBJECTION NOTED AND OVERRULED 15:48:41 - PIC IS PUBLISHED TO THE JURY 15:49:15 - after this showcase, did casey return to your apt? yes. did she stay over? yes. was this the first time she stayed over? I believe so yes, definitely. did there come a time after june 13 that casey began spending more time with you? yes. mid to late june. did she spend every night? yes. 15:50:45 - did you see defendant that day (June 16)? yes. what time? anywhere after 6:30-7. do you recall going to blockbuster? yes. with casey? yes. 15:51:45 - JUDGGE READS: copy of video surveillance at blockbuster are true and accurate represenation. parties have agreed to this fact. should be considered true in your deliberations. you may proceed. 15:52:40 - move DVD of video into evidence. 15:53:30- video published to jury 15:53:39 - shots of video surveillance at blockbuster being shown in court 15:54:30 - did you recognize yourself? yes, that's the marbury jersey. you have your arms around someone? who? casey. this is on june 16, 2008? yes sir. how would you describe her demeanor? the way she was every day. which was? happy ..happy to see me, having a grand old time. did she ever cry? no. act scared? no. nervous? tell you that dauther was missing? no. something wrong with her? no. something happeend to her? no. attitude any different than previous times you had seen her? no.did she stay over that night? yes sir. from there on did she stay with you? yes. 15:56:51- any toiletries for caylee? no. do you recall her talking to caylee on phone? not taht I recall. her parents? any time she talked on phone she went outside. on this night, did she call anyone? no. on june 16th,this was a new relationship? yes. did you care for her? yes. it was going well? yes. any fights? no. disagreements? no. She stayed that night, correct? yes. the following day did you spend with her? yes, I played hookey. why? didn't feel like leaving my home. you spent you day with Casey? yes. what was your phone number? i've changed it so many times, I can't remember. It was an ATT. 15:59:20 - on june 17th you play hookey? yes. what did you do? stayed in my room. any change in casey's behavior? no. did she give you any indication anything wrong? no. say antying about her daughter? no. do you recall if she ever called anyone in your presence? not in my presence. you spend the entire day and night with her june 17? yes sir. how about june 18? I went to class. what was casey doing? going to work, going to see caylee, wherever she had to go. did she tell you where she'd go? no. you understood she had a job? yes. 16:01:25 - on june 19 did you go looking for apt? yes. did you go with casey? yes. 16:01:58 -who were you planning on living with? nathan and brian. did you bring defendant? yes. did you both look at it? no. she didn't have ID on her. during this time period, where was casey living? she was living at home, she was always talking about taking the anthony's home because they were going to move out. 16:03:37 - the defendant was goin gto live with amy, either in another home or apt? yes. did she say anything about her dad? not at that time? her mother? not that I can recall at that time. Right now everything's pretty good? yes sir. 16:04:15 - by the 18th of june were you sharing any of your secrets? not that I recall. June 20th, did you go to fusion again? yes sir. another hip hop showcase? did casey go with you? yes sir. did anything different happen? yes, there was a hot body contest. promoted beforehand? I can't recall but it was a last minute decision. when you got there, were there enough to have a contest? more or less. At some point did casey particpate? yes. who asked her to participate? I wasn't present. she told me about it. any objections to it? I can't recall, I maybe hestitated for a second. 16:06:45 - since this is your showcase, what is your role? my role is to make sure nothing got out of hand. that was basically it. 16:07:55 - do you recognize that photo? yes. what is it? the hot body contest? do you recogize casey? yes. what is she wearing? a blue dress. you were present while this was going on? yes. a fair and accurate representation of contest? yes sir. MOVE INTO EVIDENCE. BAEZ OBJECTS. OVERRULED. RECEIVED INTO EVIDENCE. PUBLISHED TO JURY. 16:10:00 - any diffrence in casey's behavior? no sir. any time did she tell you caylee is missing? no sir. kidnapped? no sir. actively looking for her? no sir. ask you for help? no. she needed help? something had happened to her? no. 16:11:22- was showcase a success? yes. defendant came home with you? yes sir. June 23rd, was there a time casey told you she had run out of gas? yes sir. what time? mid to late afternoon. where you in class? I was at home. what did she tell you? she ran out of gas and needed to be picked up. did she sound scared? no. frantic? no. worried? no. I went to where she was an picked her up. 16:13:16 - did you talk to her on phone while going to meet her? yes. did she have anything with her? a backpack. had you seen it before? I can't remember. where did you go? she said she had gas at her house. had you been to her house? no. did she direct you? yes. Parked in driveway. where there any cars in driveway? no. where did you go? to her backyard. did you go into garage? yes. how did you get in? she opened it. 16:14:38 - when door opened, any cars in garage? no. did you go in anthony home? we went to back yard. did you recall being inside home? I don't recall. you went to side of house? we went to the shed. we had to open it. that;s where gas cans werre. we broke lock with tire iron from my truck. were you concerned? yes. she said it's ok it's my shed. 16:16:08 - did you break the lock? yes. how many gas cans did you take? two. what did you do with them? put them in the truck and she directed me to her car. who put gas into car? casey did. after, what did she do with cans? she put them in trunk. what kind of car? white pontiac. when she opened the trunk could you see inside? no. where did you go? back to my apt. did casey express concern with breaking into shed? no. did her mood change? no. was she ok? yes. 16:18:04 - what happened when she took a phone call? she'd go outside. 16:18:25 - did you find it odd she'd leave every time she took a phone call? yes and no. i thought it'd be a private matter with her mom. was there a change in mood? no. ever give you any details? no. did casey ever say to you I'm going to call the babysitter? yes. did she dial a phone? she'd grab phone and go outside. did she tell you about arguments with mom? I don't remember anything specific. did her mood change after talking with mom? no, not drastically. did she give you details? no, it wasn't my business. 16:20:20 - did she give you any indication about home life? after I got back from NY. Gone June 30 to 5th july. 16:21:25 - did she tell you where she was? at an amscot. where? end of goldenrod road. did you pick her up? yes. did yo get out of car? no. was she in car? outside of car. did she have anything in her hands? bags or groceries. what did she have? groceries. when she got in car, did she have anger about running out of gas? she said the car broke down and my father will look at it. 16:23:10 - what did casey say when you offered help? that her father would take care of it. after you picked her up did you go to apt.? yes. drop off groceries? yes. did you go to fashion square mall later that day? yes. 16:24:20 - COPY OF VIDEO SURVEILLANCE FROM JC PENNEY. SUBMITTED INTO EVIDENCE. PUBLISHED TO JURY. 16:25:50 - VIDEO SHOWN TO JURY AND IN COURT 16:27:17 - do you recognize yourself? yes. how about casey is she there? yes. 16:27:55 - more shots of video 16:28:57 - I take it you drove to the mall? yes sir. did you ever see that car again? no. did you buy anything at the mall? did I personally? no. June 27, did you go to fusion again? yes. another showcase? yes. did casey go with you? yes sir. 16:29:57 - do you recognize that photo? yes. who is that? myself and casey anthony. when was it taken? june 27th. 16:30:57 - is this accurate representation of what you and casey looked like on june 27th? yes. BAEZ OBJECTS. OVERRULED. RECEIVED INTO EVIDENCE. 16:31:47 - on this night, was there any change in casey's demeanor? no sir. was she upset? no sir. angry? no sir. sad? no sir. her daughter was missing? no sir. kidnapped? no sir. she needed help? no sir. 16:32:45- what date did you leave for vacation? the 30th of june. how did you get to airport? casey drove me and cameron to the airport. how did you get to airport? in my jeep. did you drive? yes. what was the plan for the car? casey was supposed to drop it off at sutton place. 16:33:48 - did you agree to let her use your car? no. did you talk abuot the status of her car? yes. her dad was supposed to take is someplace ...mechanic or dealership. her father was taking care of it. 16:34:36 - is casey in this court? yes. what is she wearing? she's wearing a blue blouse. THANK YOU YOUR HONOR. WITNESS IS SUBJECT TO RECALL. CROSS EXAMINATION. 16:35:52 - you realize casey is standing trial on a death penalty case? yes. did she talk about murders she committed? no. did she borrow duct tape? no. get any weapons? no. what about the second photo. did she talk about murdering anyone? no. murdering caylee? no. any weapons? no. borrow any knives and guns? no. borrow anything she could use to commit a murder? no. what about JC Penny. buy any duct tape? no. plastic bags? no. weapons? no. 16:39:00 -you had no issues dating a girl with a child? no. you liked caylee? yes. did casey be attentive to caylee? yes. did she neglect her? no. go without food? no. wearing dirty clothes? no. most of interaction was that she was a good mother? yes. 16:40:03 - on june 2nd you went to pool? yes. did casey discipline caylee? not that I recall. Do you recall by the pool where she raised her voice? not by the pool. do you recall that at all? no. if i show you your statement on september 18, 2008, would that help? sure. 16:42:02 - tell jury what happened? she was going near pool, didn;t want her to go near pool. what did casey do? what any mother would do, stop her from getting near the pool. did caylee enjoy the pool? yes. you saw that? yes. 16:43:15 - there was a secret she shared, right? yes. OBJECT. sustained on heresay. SIDEBAR. 16:44:30 - OBJECTION SUSTAINED. 16:45:00 - you were cooperative with law enforcement? yes sir. the only people you talked to was law enforcement? yes sir. you wouldn't speak to defense? you cooperated with their every request? yes. you allowed them to tap your phone? yes. you wore a wire? yes. 16:46:00 - you never made any statements to media? no. you never sold any photos or made money off this case? no sir. 16:46:40 - the first time casey ran out of gas, you had to break into the shed? yes. Could she have broken in? she could have. 16:47:28 - at that point, you drove to her car? yes. did she say stay away from the car? no. was she blocking you in any way? no. did she tell you to stay away? no. when she poured the gas into tank, you were standing next to her? right. how far is trunk, a few feet away? more than two feet. 16:48:51 - after she poured gas can in, she opened trunk? no. at any time did you smell any stench in that car? no sir. but I wasn't in the car. 16;51:01 - do you recall if you saw lining of trunk? no sir. baez shows him statement from october 2008. 16:51:45 - when she opened trunk, you could see liner? yes. on the edge of the car. the second time she ran out of gas, she told you she ran out of gas? yes. I said broke down meaning she ran out of gas. on the 27th of june, you came because she ran out of gas? yes. I was just offering help in general. 16:53:10 - baez wants to introduce photo after talking about hardship for lazzaro to return to testify. 17:02:15 - you can't introduce those now. read the ID numbers into the record just so we know what you're talking about. 17:03:15 - when you went to pick up casey at amscot, her car was in a parking spot, right? it was cockeyed. it was at goldenrod? where goldenrod meets colonial. 17:04:38 - you can approach witness but don't expose it to jury 17:07:50 - WE WILL COME BACK TOMORROW. RECESS FOR THE EVENING.
CASEY ANTHONY TRIAL / ISO P6
FTG FOR COVERAGE OF THE CASEY ANTHONY MURDER TRIAL / DAY 2 OF TRIAL / CASEY ISO CAM Early Morning Session 9:01:03 - I'm not going to have a jury waiting around as you search for files. How much time do need to search for a file? if you continue this you'll be working Sundays to. You need to put your heads together. there's be a 10 minute recess. SESSION RESUMES AT 9:14:50 - Cameron Campana called to stand - lond dark hair, wearing dark colored shirt. 9:16:11 - 2007 to 2009, almost three years. did you graduate from full sail? yes, 9:16:30 - what do you currently do? I'm a club promoter in cleveland 9;16:45- sutton place apartments, I forget which apartment number. I lived with Anthony Lazarro. It was a two bedroom, two bathroom apartment, maybe one thousand square feet. 9:18:26 - at one point you had four men living in this apartment? yes. 9:18:55 - directing your attention to May, June, 2008. can you tell me your school schedule? 9:19:54 - SIDEBAR 9:21:50- did your classes also entail working? no. after you went to classes from 1-9, you were done? yes. 9:22:34 - we started at the same time, we were on different schedules. did you have the occassion to meet casey. 9:23:04- I met her through anthony lazarro after a birthday party, May 24th or around that date. 9:23:32- she was just a regular 22 year old girl, happy, just seemed normal. just your average 22 year old. 9:24:12- the middle of June, 2008 (casey started staying with them) 9:24:30- I would see har daily once she would start staying with us. outside the apartent, 2 or 3 times. 9:24:55 - about four times maybe three (met caylee). either in lazarro's room or in lving room watching tv 9:25:33- Caylee never spent the night at the apartment. 9:25:58 - she had mentioned to us she worked for universal as an event coordinator. she would talk about her job every now and them. she had mentioned picking up tickets for a batman premeiere. she'd say work was stressing her out. she told anthony she was going to get red carpet tickets for the premeier but it never happened. 9:28:20 - she told us she was looking for an apartment with amy. had you met her? i believe once. 9:29:05 - did you ever see defendant getting ready to go to work? no. 9:29:20 - when she started living with you did you ever see caylee again? I believe once. we had asked and one time she said she was going to universal with the nanny. the other time she was going to cocoa beach for a birthday party. 9:30:03 - she said she'd talk to caylee on the phone. 9:30:21- did you ever hear her on the phone talking to her daughter? no. did you hear her talking to the nanny? no. did you ever hear her on the phone? she'd step outside and talk. she'd go out by the pond out back. when she came back to the apartment did she tell you who she was talking to? I asked her why she always went out side and she said it was her time to vent. 9:31:50- who was doing the cooking? everyone would do their part. she'd started cooking and buying groceries. 9:32:28 - it was mostly her laundry, sometimes anthony's and I think one time she did mine. she helped clean, we all helped keep it. 9:33:15- did you have a computer? yes, macbook pro. did your roomates have computer? yes. did you see the defendant with a compyuter? yes. did you see her using it? yes. Did you ever use it? no. did she ever ask to borrow your computer? no. anyone else? no. 9:34:11 - she seemed just the same, nothing had changed. she was happy. seemed excited about life. did you ever socailize outsid the apartment? one or two times. 9:34:51- have you ever heard of fusion. 9:35:55- have you ever met george or cindy anthony? no 9:36:11 - did you see any clothing that belonged to caylee? only when she brought her over. did you see it after she started living with you? not that I saw. any stuffed animals? no. 9:37:00- did she ever tell you her daughter was missing? no. that she'd been kidnapped? no. did she ever ask you for help in finding caylee? no. are you aware of an incident July 15 when the defendants mother came to your apartment? I had class and anthony told me what happened. 9:38:10 - had you ever met lee anthony before? no. what did you tell him? I was sorry about what had happened. how did he seem? he seemed calm but at the same time he was worried. he came and picked up a bag of clothes casey had in anthony's room. did you have any contact with defendant after that night? no. lee anthony? no. 9:39;15 - NO FURTHER QUESTIONS, CROSS EXAMINATION BEGINS 9:39:36- were you in casey's home, June, 2008, when caylee drowned? no. end of questions. NEXT WITNESS - NATHAN LEZNIEWICZ - buzz cut, tan shirt 9:41:28 - Nathan Lezniewicz called to stand 94:2:33 - lived in Orlando, going to full sail university for audio engineering. attended for a year and half. attained no degree. currently in band in Vero Beach, also played in bands while attending full sail. 9:43:40 - first started living with Tony Lazarro at end of May 2008. slept on couch, planned on staying for about a month once lease ended 9:44:30 - school schedule for month of June was 9-5. no work outside of school at time. left town a lot. 9:45:08 - how did you first meet Casey Anthony? the drummer of my band, Daniel Howard, had a birthday party which is where Tony and Casey first met. She seemed like a normal 22 year old girl. She was outgoing. 9:46:04 - where did you first meet Caylee? at my apartment 9:46:39 - did she ever spend the night? did casey or caylee ever spend the night? no sir. did there ever come a time she stayed every day? when? third and fourth week of june her staying over picked up quite a bit. 9:47:25 - did she every tell you about her employment? she said she was employed at universal. did you ever see ID badge? no sir. did she ever talk about her work? once in a while. The only thing she talkd about a batman premiere. 9:48:30 - did she ever complain about her work? no sir 9:48:45 - while you were getting ready for school, was she getting ready for work? she was getting ready also and I assumed that's where she was going. 9:49:22- did you spend time alone with her? yes sir. what did you do? hang out, watch tv. was Tony's other roommate, from Ft. Pierce, was in a band, travelled a 9:45:18 - first met casey when drummer in his band had a bday party. Casey was there. That's where tony met her. 9:45:44 - she seemed like a normal girl 9:51:10 - typically she was with the nanny, out doing things. was there anything about casey's demeanor that made you qeustion what she was telling you? no sir. 9:51:50- did she tell you about her parents? not much. when she had a conversation with her parents, she'd leave the apartment because she didn't want us to hear them. did you ever hear here speaking to her daughter? no sir. the nanny? no sir. 9:52:53- did you ever get near car? no sir. did she tell you she was having car trouble? just one morning when she broke down near the amscot. 9:53:40 - what did she do while in the apartment? did she cook? yes. did she clean? yes. did she do the laundry? no, not mine. where did you socialize? fusion nightclub, mostly friday evenings. were there any things going on friday nights? 9:54:44 - how many times were you at fusion with casey? two or three times maybe. 9:56:20 - pic of casey with NATHAN 9:56:40- when you were at fusion did she participate in a contest? yes. what was that contest? a hot body contest. 9:57:30- where was that photo taken? at fusion. was this during June, 2008? yes sir. BAEZ ASKS FOR SIDEBAR, JUDGE SAYS Not at this point. 9:58:16 - photo admitted into evidence. 9:58:34 - SIDEBAR AGAIN. 10:02:58 - JUDGE ALLOWS PHOTO TO BE PUBLISHED TO JURY 10:03:20 - she always seemed like she was having a good time. she's an outgoing personality. at any time she was living with you, did you ever see her distraught? no sir. depressed? no sir. scared? no sir. angry? no sir. did she ever tell you her daughter was missing? no sir. her daughter was kidnapped? no sir. did she ever ask for help in trying to find her? no sir. 10:05:03 - during this time period, was there anything about her demeanor that gave you concern? no sir. when there was a knock on the door, there was a blond girl there I didn't recognize. casey stepped outside and closed the door. she came back inside with her mother and amy huizinga. did you see casey come back after she left with the blond gir? yes. what happened? she was in an argument with cindy and cindy told her to get her stuff and go. did she go outside? yes sir. did she come back? no. did you ever see her again? no. did you speak with her on the phone. no sir. 10:06:51 - we were confused. we didn't know what was going on. we thought it was just something between her, her mother and roommmate. 10:07:30 - lee felt bad for us and said his sister was known to get into trouble ...objection, sustained. 10:08:12- were you visited by law enforcement? yes. how many times? twice. 100900 - did law enforcement question you about amy? no. how long were they there? about five minutes, just enough to collect cell phone. 10:09:46 - what did police do the second time? they searched the apartment. how long where they there? maybe 20-25 minutes. did they take items with them? I do not recall. 10:10:15 =- did you see any clothing belonging to caylee? no sir. any stuffed animals? no sir. NO FURTHER QUESTIONS CROSS EXAMINATION 10:11:12 - you saw caylee how many times? two to three. did she look hungry? no. well fed? yes. did casey seem attentive? yes. 10:12:10 - looking back at casey's behavior, there was no indication that caylee was dead? no sir. there was no signs in any way shape or form? no sir. 10:13:07 - she didn't park 50 yards away where no other cars were parked? no sir. I have no further questions. 10:13:30 - were you present on june 2008 when caylee drowned in the pool? no sir. SIR YOU MAY STAND DOWN. BREAK Late Morning Session TESTIMONY RESUMES AT 10:36:09 STATE CALLS ROY HAUSE GOES BY CLINT - short dark hair, blue button down. 10:39:04 - where do you live? jacksonville, sir. was there a time you lived in orlando? yes sir. when? 2007-2009. what were you studying there? recording arts to engineer and produce music. how long were you there? 10 months. did you get a degree? no. 10:39:56 - where did you live? with tony and cam. what time period in 2008? I was only there a few months. I moved in the end of April and moved out June, 2008. 10:40:43- do you recall during that time period you were at school? I'd be there from 1am to 5am, sometimes 1pm to 5pm. 10:41:20 - did you meet casey? yes I did. do you recall where? tony and I met her at a party. 10:41:56 - she seemed like a fun party girl who'd get along with our group of friends. 10:42:30 - did you ever meet caylee? yes. where? at the sutton place apartments. how many times? four or five times. did caylee ever stayed over? no she never stayed over? did there come a times casey started staying full time? yes. when? middle of June she started spending most of the nights there. did you mind? no, not at all? was this a big apartment? no, we were all kind of crammed in there. 10:43:55 - did casey ever tell you about her employment? she said she worked at universal. did you ever see credentials? no. did she complain about it? no. 10:44:41 - she didn't talk about her work all that much. 10:44:55- when she started staying full time, did you ever see caylee? when she started aying on regular basis we stopped seeing caylee. did you ask her about caylee? yes. she said she was with the nanny. did she indicate nanny was local? yes. did she indicate caylee was anywhere but orlando? no. did it seem odd child was always with nanny. objection. did you question her about where caylee was? i asked her where caylee was and she said she was with the nanny. was there any concern in her voice? no. did she appear worried about where caylee was? no. did she seem sad about not seeing her? her demeanor never changed. 10:47:10 - did you also had a laptop? yes. did casey have a laptop? yes. what kind? hp. did you ever use her computer? no. did she ever use yours? no. did she ever use anyone's but her own? no. while she was staying with you, were you ever present when she spoke on the phone? yes. to whom was she speaking? she'd always walk outside and was either on phone with nanny or her mother. was there any change in her demeanor? no. did she appear nervous? no sir. scared? no sir. 10:48:52- did you see her on daily basis at this time? yes. where did you recall going with her? every friday night we had our own promotional night at fusion and she'd come every friday. she'd try to help us bring people out. when you say she helped bring people out, what do you mean? because she was tony's girlfriend, she'd tell her friends to come out using facebook, myspace, texts. 10:50:29 - none of her friends ever came. 10:50:40 - did casey participate in those events? yes. what role did she play? she was in a couple contests I hosted. she was in a hot body contest, she would mingle with the crowd. 10:51:40 - did casey have anything to do with selecting shot girls? no. did she have anything to do with how they dressed? she'd give them some tidbits but I was telling the girls what they needed to wear. she would say maybe they should wear these shorts with this shot. 10:52:55- do you know a woman by the name of marie kish? yes. did she attend any of the nights at fusion? yes she did. DEFENSE CONFERS, NOW A SIDEBAR. 10:59:50 - SHOT OF GEORGE AND CINDY IN COURTROOM. 11:04:00 - testimony resumes 11:04:11 - what was her demeanor at fusion? she was partying and having a good time. did she seem upset about anything? no. did she seem happy? yes. 11:04:58 - they both seemed happy with each other. she'd come over and cook dinner for everybody. tony seemed happy and so did she. did you see casey and tony fight? no. did you ever notice casey sad? no. angry? no. depressed? no. withdrawn? no. she was still same. 11:06:08 - were you home July 15? no, I moved out. moved out two weeks before that. 11:07:20 - did you have any further contact with casey? no. did she ever tell you her daughter was kidnapped? no. was she worried about her? no. she needed help? no. NO FURTHER QUESTIONS 11:08:36 - the extent you know casey is a month and a half? yes. and you saw caylee how many times? four or five times. did she have backpack? yes. she would have toys, flashcards with shaped and colors. what other learning tools did you see casey teach caylee. never saw any other learning tools. she did have some dvds she brought over. in this bag you'd see diapers, other snacks? yes sir. did you see caylee malnourished? no sir. neglected? no sir. see casey strike caylee? no sir. treat caylee as a burden? no. would you say she was a good mother? yes I would. 11:10:55 - did you ever seen them go out to the pool? no. were you aware that tony lazarro casey and caylee went to pool on june 2nd? yes. who else was there? no one but them. 11:1:44- you weren't keeping a close eye on casey's computer at any time? no sir. 11:13:30- discussion about fusion, what it is, sushi bar, etc. 11:14:17 - this business with shot girls, that's part of your ambiance? yes. casey wasn't a shot girl, was she? no sir. she volunteered to manage these girls? she wasn't managing anybody. that was me and tony. this was while she was staying with you, rent free? yes. part of pulling her weight helping you financially? yes. cooking? yes. cleaning? yes. trash? no, that was us guys. 11:16:00- casey was a friendly girl? yes. she cared about people? yes. she cared about you? yes. you saw her caring for her child? yes. you found out caylee was dead during that time period? yes, i have. you noticed no change in her behavior from the time period she was a loving and caring mother up until the time caylee was deceased? never saw one change in her. 11:17:00 WITNESS EXCUSED 11:18:30 - MARIA KISSH - LONG DARK HAIR, GRAY BLAZER, BLUE BLOUSE. 11:19:20 - she describes who she is, her job in retail sales, educational background at UF, majored in political science, 2007. employed in 2008. working for man running for county office. paying job. had position in may, june 2008. 11:22:00 - I was introduced through clint. had you already known tony? yes. had you known nathan? yes. you knew all these people but casey was a new person you met? yes. did you meet her daughter? no. at some point did you meet caylee? yes. where? at tony's apartment. what do you recall about meeting her? caylee answered the door by herself. had you seen her before? no sir. did you ask her who she was? I knew who she was and said hi, how are you. when you walking in did you see casey? no. at some point did you see her? I did. where from? tony's room. how much time did you spend with caylee? not long, a half hour. 11:24:20 - was casey anywhere around? I saw her come out of the room for a minute and then she went back into tony's room. 11:24:55 - I ended up sitting on balcony and caylee was out there as well. clint got me and said he was ready to go. I felt uncomfortable. why? I didn't want to leave caylee alone. was it (balcony) screened? yes, it was. OBJECTION. APPROACH. 11:26:27 - SHOT OF GEORGE ANTHONY 11:28:30 - SHOT OF CASEY TALKING WITH FEMALE ATTORNEY 11:30:14 - SHOT OF EVIDENCE, FILES, FILE BOXES 11:33:10 - testimony continues 11:33:23 - right around that time, tony caylee and casey were going to leave as well. so casey and tony came out and casey told caylee to get her shoes on because it was time to leave. that was about it. I saw caylee struggling to put on her shoes and socks so i helped her put on her shoes. was caylee verbal with you? yes. she was. was the plan for all of you to go out together? no. 11:35:10 - after that visit, did you see caylee again? yes sir. how often were you at your boyfriend's? 2 to 3 times a week. did you stay the night? a couple times. when you were there, did you recall a time casey was there? I do. all the time? yes. how did you become aware of that. I talked to clint and he would tell me casey's been there all day. OBJECTION. sustained. 11:36:22- was the defendant there? yes. when you stayed for dinner was she there? yes. how would you describe relationship with casey? we saw each other several times because tony and clint would be together. we didn't have a friendship but it was an acquaintance. 11:37:18 - she said she worked for univeral as an event planner. any other details? no sir. ever tell you her hours? not that i can remember. ever see any ID from universal? no sir. did you question if she workd at universal? no sir. 11:38:10 - spend time with casey outside apartment? yes. what kinds of things? going out at night to bar or club and grabbing a bite to eat. did you see casey and tony together? yes. what were your observations on them as couple? OBJECTION, opinion, overruled. 11:39:08 - They got along well, it seemd to be beneficial for tony. did they appear to like each other? I believe so. 11:39:40 - did you ever see them argue? no. do you know what fusion is? yes. what is it? restaurant slash night club. were you at fusion with boyfriend and casey? yes sir. how many times? one time. 11:40:30 - I went to fusion with casey on June 20th. how do you remember? it was a friday and there was a hot body contest that night. 11:41:10 - what do you recall about hot body contest. objection. sustained. did you witness it? yes sir. did defendant participate? yes sir. what was defendant wearing during contest? she was wearing thin knit dress, blueish color. 11:42:34 - pic of casey and nathan 11:43:00 - based on outfit she appears to be wearing, is this an accurate representation of what she was wearing on june 20, 2008. yes. did you participate? no sir. PIC REPUBLISHED TO JURY 11:44:00 - do you recall any role other than being in hot body contest? yes. what was her role? she was in charge of the shot girls. did you see her interacting with them? i did. did you hear her telling them what they were supposed to do? i did. did you hear her discussing their attire? i can't remember. was there anyting about casey's demeanor that alarmed you? no. did she appear angry or upset? no sir. 11:45:20 - where did you stay that night? at the apartment. did you see casey next morning? yes, in kitchen in the morning. did you have a discussion? yes. I asked her where caylee was. she said she was spending weekend at the beach with the nanny. did she give you nanny's name? no. she told me she paid the nanny 400 dollars a week. 11:46:40 - did you ask casey about caylee's dad? APPROACH OBJECTION OVERRULED 11:48:40- what did casey tell you about caylee's dad? she told me he was deceased. 11:49:20 - what did she tell you her living situation was? that she was going to move into her parent's house and they were giving the house to her and caylee. when? didn't give an exact time, within the next couple of months. did casey ever tell you her daughter was missing? no. kidnapped? no. out looking for her? no. asked for help? no. 11:50:15 - did you ride in her car? yes. when? can't remember exact date. it was while she was staying with them, cling and tony. when you were in the car, who were you with? I was with casey, tony and clint. THANK YOU. CROSS EXAMINATION. 11:51;10 - where did you go in the car? to get something to eat. when you sat in back seat did you smell odor? no sir. clint was in backseat? yes. did he say anything? no sir. did tony say anything? no sir. 11:52:30 - you didn't like her being at house? it didn't bother me. your boyfriend lived at house? correct. and casey was at the same house? correct. it struck you odd she was there all the time? yes sir. you would call your boyfriend when she was there? yes. that didn't bother you? no, it never bothered me at all. END OF QUESTIONING around 11:50am Early Afternoon Session 13:14:12 - defense claims the testimony to the shovel is not relevant. says the shovel is misleading, not related nor tied to the offense. we present motion to exclude mention of shovel 13:16:36 - DENIED - just because you're not contesting does not alleviate state's obligation to prove something. anything else before we bring jury back in. BAEZ - objects again. 13:17:34 - discussion of audio problems. 13:20:11 - JURY RETURNS 13:21:15 STATE CALLS BRIAN BURNER - neighbor with shovel. heavy-set man with blue button down shirt, dark hair. 13:22:08 - do you know george and cindy? I do. how do you know them? neighbors. They are your next door neighbors? correct. when did you move into your home? 2005. when you moved in where the anthonys already living there? yes. was casey living there? yes. Lee? I don't recall. how would you describe your relationship with the anthonys? cordial neighbors. did they go to your house for dinner? no. you to theirs? no. 13:24:04 - are any of your children friends with casey or lee? no. 13:24:20 - week of june 16, 2008. were you in your home at that time? yes. did you take a vacation? I did. June 2008? yes. when did you return home? evening of the 16th. you were home on June 17th? yes. did you see casey? I saw casey's vehicle. it was backing into the garage. had you seen casey drive that car before? yes. did anyone else drive it during this time period? no. 12:26:00 - was car into garage or driveway? into the garage. I could see the front end of garage from our window. Did that seem strange? no. have you seen the car backed into the driveway before? not until that day. do you know how long car was there? no. were you home on the 18th? i was doing yardwork outside. was anyone else outside? no. 13:27:15 - did you see casey? she approached me later in the afternoon? when? around 1:30. why did she approach you? she said she wanted to borrow a shovel to dig up a bamboo root. 13:28:20 - pic of shovel 13:28:30 - is that the shovel you lent to casey? yes. OBJECTION OVERRULED AND IT WILL BE RECEIVED INTO EVIDENCE. 13:29:38 - did you see where she came from? no. had she ever asked to borrow anything before? no. did you have a problem with it? no. I walked around to the shed and gave her the shovel. 13:30:29 - did you see her walking into her home? only into the garage. 13:31:00 - while you were cleaning up did you see casey? no. I put equipment in shed then to see if casey was finished. I then went back into the house. I told my son casey borrowed the shovel and if she knocked on the door to take the shovel from her. 13:31:48 - did you get your shovel back? I did. she knocked on the door an hour after I gave her the shovel. did you notice anything different? no. what did you do? I opened garage door and set it in the garage. did you see defendant leave? no. did you see her white car? where? it was back into the garage. 13:32:50 - did you see casey car again that week? one other time. When? either 19 or 20th. 13:33:45 - did you see car pull into the driveway? the car backed in. did you see anything else? no. do you know how long car stayed there? no. 13:34:25 - other than those three instances in June 2008, did you have contact with casey? no. did you have contact with george? one time ...in July. 13:34:55 - when police arrived, did you go outside? no. did you talk to george? no. Cindy? no. when you saw casey on June 18, 2008, did she tell you her daughter was missing? no. kidnapped? no. that she was looking for her? no. did she tell you anything was wrong with her daughter? no. was she upset? no. sad? no. angry? no. just normal. 13:36:40 - THANK YOU SIR. CROSS EXAMINATION 13:37:03 - you fist gave a statement to law enforce. on July 17, 2008, right when media attention began? yes. you saw police cars next door on the 16th? I believe so. do you recall you gave a statement July 17? it was a Thursday. 13:38:10 - when you spoke with them, you told them you didn't know the date casey had borrowed the shovel but knew it was the week of the 16th? correct. you were called into sheriff's on June 30th? yes. you met with corporal edwards? yes. you then spoke with him a while? correct. that's when you started giving them dates? yes. do you recall if edwards asked you to close your eyes to remember because this was important? yes. did edwards tell you that as time passes you start to remember things. would you agree? to some extent. after you closed your eyes, that's when the dates became clear? no. that's when you told him the dates? no. you're saying as time passed you could recall the dates? correct. 12:41:00 - you wouldn't make it a habit to see how she parked her car? no. you're just the average neighbor? yes. you wouldn't consider yourself a nosy neighbor? no. you wouldn't notice how she parks her car every day? correct. 13:41:50 - when she gave you shovel back it wasn't muddy? no. she didn't look sweaty or digging a ditch? not that I recall. 13:42:30 - you can't offer us anything more than speculation about what she did with shovel? yes. NO FURTHER QUESTIONS REDIRECT 13:43:20 - do you recall telling him you saw a pickup? yes, wasn't sure of the vehicle. what do you recall about the incident? that was the monday the gas cans were taken. I looked out window and saw casey and thought nothing of it. 13:44:00 - where did you see casey? in the driveway. could you hear them speaking? no. there was casey and a man? correct. 13:44:33 - do you recall any other car in driveway? no. in garage? no. 13:45:27 - did you see casey drive away? no. did you hear any noises? no. 13:46:00 - was the white car there? no. RECROSS EXAMINATION 13:46:35 - when you started talking about them it was a month later after they occurred? correct. it's tough to recall everything a month prior? correct. no one told you on that day you should be looking for a certain car? correct. 13:48:35 - the anthony family home would be towards the right? correct. 13:49:03 - the date ...CAN I HAVE JUST A MOMENT? 13:49:35 - you didn't see the male? I saw casey and I saw the male first. any time you saw cars, you never saw anyone driving them? no. any time you saw casey's car you didn't see who was driving? correct. this shovel was then turned into fbi? I believe so. after you made that statement, there were media trucks outside your home? yes. for how long? months. STATE OBJECTS TO RELEVANCE. sustained 13:51:15 - you told mr george casey seemed normal? correct. WITHDRAWN WITNESS EXCUSED. RECESS ? 13:55:55 - shots of EVIDENCE BAGS 13:57:05 - MORE SHOTS OF EVIDENCE BAGS Late Afternoon Session 14:06:58 - testimony resumes JAMIE REALANDER - DARK, RED HAIR, BEIGE SWEATER, RED/ORANGE TOP 14:09:10 - detailing where she went to school and where she was working, rosen hotels, working with golf club at shingle creek. 14:10:11 - how did you first meet casey? I met her through a friend at fusion night club. 14:10:40 - who introduced you to casey? I believe it was my friend jenna prentice. who is she? just a friend at the time. was she an employee at fusion? not at that time? how was casey's demeanor? she was happy, seemd like a nice person to be friends with. was this may 2008? yes. was anything odd or out of place? no. 14:11:53- were you employed at some point at fusion? yes. as what? a shot girl. 14;13:10- directing your attention to june 20, 2008, were you a shot girl? no. june 13th? no. june 27th? yes. did you see casey? yes. what was your understanding of her role? she was the one we'd go to with questions. questions such as? where to be stationed, where to go for information. 14:14:15 - did you attend fusion on June 20, not as a shot girl? yes. do you recall a hot body contest? yes. 14:53:52 - do you see photo on monitor? yes. do you recognize yourself? yes. circle where you are. 14:15:19 - pic at FUSION. do you recognize casey? yes. what is she wearing? a blue dress. 14:15:45 - he circles her dress/pic 14:16:00 - anything out of the ordinary you recall from conversations with casey? no. 14:16:25 - is this pic a fair representation of what you and casey looked like on june 20, 2008? yes. You recognize this to be fusion night club? yes. PIC ADMITTED INTO EVIDECE. BAEZ OBJECTS. OBJECTION OVERRULED. PIC MAY BE PUBLISHED 14:17:30 - was she (casey) upset? no. crying? no. objection, overruled. 14:18:30 - were you talked to about what to wear? I don't know if it was by casey. and when you came to work as a shot girl on the 27th of June, casey more or less passed on what you were wearing? yes. did she give you any tips on what to wear? not directly to me. 14:19:40 -was there ever a problem that occurred? yes. tell us. there was large group of people and someone tried to grab one of the shot girls, scratching her. what did casey do? for our safety, she had us leave for the night. we spoke to her on July 15th. was this conversation in person? over the phone. prior to this conversation, were you aware she jad a daughter? no. did you know if she was in a relationship? yes. with who? anthony lazarro. 14:21:00 - we had a conversation about what she'd be diong that day. she went to her job at universal then pick up her daughter casey (on july 15th). 14:21:45 - did she call her daughter by name? no. did she tell you antying about her daughter? that her birthday was the next month and that I was invited to her birthday party? that you were invited? yes. did you see casey outside fusion? no. any subsequent phone calls? not to my knowledge? ever receive text? yes. the one I remember was the day after her mother reported her missing to cops. CROSS EXAMINATION 14:23:50 - did anything happen that had to do with caylee? no. no one saw her? no. did anything happen that night that had to do with her death? no. 14:24:45 - the casey you knew was a nice person? yes. she treated you with respect? yes. she looked out for you and the other girls? yes. was she considered a big sister? yes. she always made sure we were ok and weren't in harms way at all. 14:25:35 - casey was somewhat of a protector? yes. 14:26:00 - you have no information that helps this jury decide what happened june 16th? no. REDIRECT 14:26:30 - did she tell you her daughter was missing? no, kidnapped? no. needed help? no. did she give you any indication something was wrong? no. ERICA GONZALEZ - DARK LONG BLACK HAIR, BLACK SWEATER/BLAZER 14:29:00 - detailing work history, full time mom, education, location, working at fusion night club, shot girl. 14:30:00 - was that a nightly occurrence? it was once every friday. did you work every friday in june 2008? I believe so. OBJECTION, OVERRULED. 14:30:35- did you come into contact with casey? I did. was this at fusion? it was. did you know her beforehand? I did not. how did you meet? I met her through one of the girls at the night club. 14:31:15 - did you have the opportunity to speak with her? when I was a shot girl I spoke to her many times. 14:31:40 - she was kind of like our manager. we'd tell her what we were wearing and if anything happened, she'd protect us. 14:32:30 - did casey ever tell you what to wear? no. ever make suggestions? no. did you ever speak to casey about things outside fusion? 14:33:16 - from speaking with her did you know where she was living? no. 14:33:44 - do you know ms. realander? I do. did an incident happen that you brought to 14:34:00 - did you know she had a child? yes. how? we were in the bathroom one day and she mentioned her daughter. she was taking care of us and explained she had a daughter. did she tell you anything about her? no. how old? no. her name? no. she was missing? NO. kidnapped? no. actively looking for her? no. anything wrong with her daughter? no. anything going on with her? no. ever see anything in her behavior that would lead you to believe anything was wrong? absolutely not. THANK YOU. CROSS EXAMINATION BACK TO PROSECUTION 14:36:25 - we were talking about dinner with all the shot girls. what else? she was going to call me back so we could meet up. she never called back. said she was heading to airport to pick someone up. did she say who? no. did you learn casey's daughter was missing? yes. what did you do? I heard that night I talked to her. I texted her the next day that if she needed anything let me know. I made flyers for my job. did you get response? she said thank you and that she was worried about caylee. did she say when she saw caylee last? with the nanny. 14:38:45 - did you have any understanding that there was anyone else in car with her? I don't recall. do you recall what your phone number was? yes. may I have it? 321-439-4577. CROSS EXAMINATION 14:40:00 - you stated casey was kind to you? she was. she was nice to you? yes. she looked out for all of you? she did. she talked about her daughter in bathroom? yes. did you see casey drink or get drunk? no. do you have any info as to what may have happened to caylee? as far as? how she died. no. WITNESS EXCUSED. RECESS AT 14:41:50 Late Afternoon Session WITNESS ANTHONY LAZZARO - short dark hair, white shirt, black tie 15:09:40 - when you moved into sutton place who did you live with? cameron. just the two of you for awhile? yes. two of my friends slept on the couch. one was roy house and nathan. did they pay any rent? no, it was just a friendly gesture. 15:10:45 - talks about full sail, college schedule, school open 24-7. 15:11:20 - what was your schedule may june 2008? it wasn't consistent. morning class 9-1 then sometimes an evening lab. 15::12:09- did you receive a computer? yes, macbook pro. as part of your education did you take it upon yourself to put on either shows or do some sort of events? they wanted you to get involved with the other kids because these could be people you'd work with in the music industry. 15:13:00- during may, june 2008, did you try to set up a small business? yes. what did you do? i had experience deejaying. me and clint started our own company doing promotion. did it have a name? we had a bunch of names but it became DBC entertainment. 15:14:15 -when did you start working as deejay? we went to fusion. we met with the owner. we said hey we're deejays, we have experience, if you're interested we could do a party on a friday night. that's basically how that started. 15:15:08 - that started in june. at the same time you were taking classes? yes sir. did you own a car this time period? yes. what kind? 97 jeep grand cherokee. 15:15:50 - may 2008, did there come a time you came in contact with casey? yes sir? how did that start? I met her on facebook, we became friends. I found her through facebook, it shows people in your area, so i sent her a friend request. did she respond immediately? I don't know. 15:17:10 - first time we met in person was at my friend's birthday. his name was dan howard. this was the same time I was starting deejay company around the end of May. I was inviting a ton of people and made it a facebook event. That's when she got back to me to go to the party. 15:18:15 - while you were talking did you learn she had a child? I believe so? did you know her name? I can't recall? do you know how old she was? a toddler 15:18:48 - what were your first impressions? pretty girl. she showed up with bunch of friends. we hit it off. 15:19:20 - did you make plans to see her again? Not that night but shortly after. 15:19:45 - she would come over and show up to my apartment. how often? a couple of times. a week? more or less a couple times a week. 15:20:15- did she bring her daughter? yes. did you two stay at apt. or go out? we went to the pool. she brought her daughter over and we went down by the pool. at your apt. complex? yes sir. do you remember when? I'd say June 2nd. 15:21:06 - do you know what arden villas is? That's not ringing a bell. did you invite her to another party? I remember inviting her to a pool party. did she attend? yes. bring anyone? no. 15:22:00 - aware of her car? yes. what was she driving? white pontiac. on june 4th 2008, did you attend party for troy brown? yes. who went? me, clint and maria. when you went to that party where was it? club voyage. when you went there on the 4th of june, who drove? casey did. what car did you take? her car. was it during this time you first met caylee? yes. did you see her in any other context? yes, when we went to mall of millenia. it was a friday afternoon, I'd say the 13th. 15:24:30 - went to mall to hand out flyers for event. when you did that, was casey with you? no. did she go to mall with you? yes. she and caylee walked around the mall. did you meet up again? yes. we went to cheesecake factory and had a late lunch. how did you get to mall? I believe it was in her car. 15:25:30 - did caylee ever spend the night at your apartment? no sir. 15:25:50 - when casey dropped you off at the apartment, was that the last time you saw caylee? yes sir. 15:26:30- did you go to fusion june 13, 2008. yes sir. did casey attend? yes sir. who hires the shot girls? it was between me and clint and the other two promoters. who would instruct the shot girls? it came down to the owner. 15:27:59 - casey wanted to help out so we said you could tell the shot girls what they needed to know. did she tell them what to wear? I don't recall. 15:28:40 - she had a job at universal studios? did she tell you what she did? something with events. did she ever give you details about the job? throughout the relationship she'd talk abuot specific people. I recall a Jeff, other girls names. did she complain about the job? I can't remember specifics. She might have. see her with ID? she'd walk in apt. with universal badge. did it have pic on it? yes. 15:30;15 - her babysitter and her mother (were taking care of caylee while casey was at work). did she talk to you about the babysitter's name? at that point, zani. this was at begining of relationship? yes. tell you where zani lived? no. any relatives? no. cared for any other kids? no. ever discuss what she paid zani? I don't remember. did she ever tell you when the nanny would take care of her and when her mother would take care of her? it would be either or. 15:32:06 COUNSEL APPROACHES BENCH 10 MINUTE RECESS. 15:40:18 - testimony resumes. 15:42:17- pic of tony and casey. 15:42:30 - was that pic taken in june, 2008? yes sir. can you tell when it was taken? it'd have to be early june when I began promoting ....is that accurate representation of what you both looked like on June 13, 2008? yes sir. 15:43:43 - SIDEBAR shot of george and cindy at 15:46:10 15:48:20 - OBJECTION NOTED AND OVERRULED 15:48:41 - PIC IS PUBLISHED TO THE JURY 15:49:15 - after this showcase, did casey return to your apt? yes. did she stay over? yes. was this the first time she stayed over? I believe so yes, definitely. did there come a time after june 13 that casey began spending more time with you? yes. mid to late june. did she spend every night? yes. 15:50:45 - did you see defendant that day (June 16)? yes. what time? anywhere after 6:30-7. do you recall going to blockbuster? yes. with casey? yes. 15:51:45 - JUDGGE READS: copy of video surveillance at blockbuster are true and accurate represenation. parties have agreed to this fact. should be considered true in your deliberations. you may proceed. 15:52:40 - move DVD of video into evidence. 15:53:30- video published to jury 15:53:39 - shots of video surveillance at blockbuster being shown in court 15:54:30 - did you recognize yourself? yes, that's the marbury jersey. you have your arms around someone? who? casey. this is on june 16, 2008? yes sir. how would you describe her demeanor? the way she was every day. which was? happy ..happy to see me, having a grand old time. did she ever cry? no. act scared? no. nervous? tell you that dauther was missing? no. something wrong with her? no. something happeend to her? no. attitude any different than previous times you had seen her? no.did she stay over that night? yes sir. from there on did she stay with you? yes. 15:56:51- any toiletries for caylee? no. do you recall her talking to caylee on phone? not taht I recall. her parents? any time she talked on phone she went outside. on this night, did she call anyone? no. on june 16th,this was a new relationship? yes. did you care for her? yes. it was going well? yes. any fights? no. disagreements? no. She stayed that night, correct? yes. the following day did you spend with her? yes, I played hookey. why? didn't feel like leaving my home. you spent you day with Casey? yes. what was your phone number? i've changed it so many times, I can't remember. It was an ATT. 15:59:20 - on june 17th you play hookey? yes. what did you do? stayed in my room. any change in casey's behavior? no. did she give you any indication anything wrong? no. say antying about her daughter? no. do you recall if she ever called anyone in your presence? not in my presence. you spend the entire day and night with her june 17? yes sir. how about june 18? I went to class. what was casey doing? going to work, going to see caylee, wherever she had to go. did she tell you where she'd go? no. you understood she had a job? yes. 16:01:25 - on june 19 did you go looking for apt? yes. did you go with casey? yes. 16:01:58 -who were you planning on living with? nathan and brian. did you bring defendant? yes. did you both look at it? no. she didn't have ID on her. during this time period, where was casey living? she was living at home, she was always talking about taking the anthony's home because they were going to move out. 16:03:37 - the defendant was goin gto live with amy, either in another home or apt? yes. did she say anything about her dad? not at that time? her mother? not that I can recall at that time. Right now everything's pretty good? yes sir. 16:04:15 - by the 18th of june were you sharing any of your secrets? not that I recall. June 20th, did you go to fusion again? yes sir. another hip hop showcase? did casey go with you? yes sir. did anything different happen? yes, there was a hot body contest. promoted beforehand? I can't recall but it was a last minute decision. when you got there, were there enough to have a contest? more or less. At some point did casey particpate? yes. who asked her to participate? I wasn't present. she told me about it. any objections to it? I can't recall, I maybe hestitated for a second. 16:06:45 - since this is your showcase, what is your role? my role is to make sure nothing got out of hand. that was basically it. 16:07:55 - do you recognize that photo? yes. what is it? the hot body contest? do you recogize casey? yes. what is she wearing? a blue dress. you were present while this was going on? yes. a fair and accurate representation of contest? yes sir. MOVE INTO EVIDENCE. BAEZ OBJECTS. OVERRULED. RECEIVED INTO EVIDENCE. PUBLISHED TO JURY. 16:10:00 - any diffrence in casey's behavior? no sir. any time did she tell you caylee is missing? no sir. kidnapped? no sir. actively looking for her? no sir. ask you for help? no. she needed help? something had happened to her? no. 16:11:22- was showcase a success? yes. defendant came home with you? yes sir. June 23rd, was there a time casey told you she had run out of gas? yes sir. what time? mid to late afternoon. where you in class? I was at home. what did she tell you? she ran out of gas and needed to be picked up. did she sound scared? no. frantic? no. worried? no. I went to where she was an picked her up. 16:13:16 - did you talk to her on phone while going to meet her? yes. did she have anything with her? a backpack. had you seen it before? I can't remember. where did you go? she said she had gas at her house. had you been to her house? no. did she direct you? yes. Parked in driveway. where there any cars in driveway? no. where did you go? to her backyard. did you go into garage? yes. how did you get in? she opened it. 16:14:38 - when door opened, any cars in garage? no. did you go in anthony home? we went to back yard. did you recall being inside home? I don't recall. you went to side of house? we went to the shed. we had to open it. that;s where gas cans werre. we broke lock with tire iron from my truck. were you concerned? yes. she said it's ok it's my shed. 16:16:08 - did you break the lock? yes. how many gas cans did you take? two. what did you do with them? put them in the truck and she directed me to her car. who put gas into car? casey did. after, what did she do with cans? she put them in trunk. what kind of car? white pontiac. when she opened the trunk could you see inside? no. where did you go? back to my apt. did casey express concern with breaking into shed? no. did her mood change? no. was she ok? yes. 16:18:04 - what happened when she took a phone call? she'd go outside. 16:18:25 - did you find it odd she'd leave every time she took a phone call? yes and no. i thought it'd be a private matter with her mom. was there a change in mood? no. ever give you any details? no. did casey ever say to you I'm going to call the babysitter? yes. did she dial a phone? she'd grab phone and go outside. did she tell you about arguments with mom? I don't remember anything specific. did her mood change after talking with mom? no, not drastically. did she give you details? no, it wasn't my business. 16:20:20 - did she give you any indication about home life? after I got back from NY. Gone June 30 to 5th july. 16:21:25 - did she tell you where she was? at an amscot. where? end of goldenrod road. did you pick her up? yes. did yo get out of car? no. was she in car? outside of car. did she have anything in her hands? bags or groceries. what did she have? groceries. when she got in car, did she have anger about running out of gas? she said the car broke down and my father will look at it. 16:23:10 - what did casey say when you offered help? that her father would take care of it. after you picked her up did you go to apt.? yes. drop off groceries? yes. did you go to fashion square mall later that day? yes. 16:24:20 - COPY OF VIDEO SURVEILLANCE FROM JC PENNEY. SUBMITTED INTO EVIDENCE. PUBLISHED TO JURY. 16:25:50 - VIDEO SHOWN TO JURY AND IN COURT 16:27:17 - do you recognize yourself? yes. how about casey is she there? yes. 16:27:55 - more shots of video 16:28:57 - I take it you drove to the mall? yes sir. did you ever see that car again? no. did you buy anything at the mall? did I personally? no. June 27, did you go to fusion again? yes. another showcase? yes. did casey go with you? yes sir. 16:29:57 - do you recognize that photo? yes. who is that? myself and casey anthony. when was it taken? june 27th. 16:30:57 - is this accurate representation of what you and casey looked like on june 27th? yes. BAEZ OBJECTS. OVERRULED. RECEIVED INTO EVIDENCE. 16:31:47 - on this night, was there any change in casey's demeanor? no sir. was she upset? no sir. angry? no sir. sad? no sir. her daughter was missing? no sir. kidnapped? no sir. she needed help? no sir. 16:32:45- what date did you leave for vacation? the 30th of june. how did you get to airport? casey drove me and cameron to the airport. how did you get to airport? in my jeep. did you drive? yes. what was the plan for the car? casey was supposed to drop it off at sutton place. 16:33:48 - did you agree to let her use your car? no. did you talk abuot the status of her car? yes. her dad was supposed to take is someplace ...mechanic or dealership. her father was taking care of it. 16:34:36 - is casey in this court? yes. what is she wearing? she's wearing a blue blouse. THANK YOU YOUR HONOR. WITNESS IS SUBJECT TO RECALL. CROSS EXAMINATION. 16:35:52 - you realize casey is standing trial on a death penalty case? yes. did she talk about murders she committed? no. did she borrow duct tape? no. get any weapons? no. what about the second photo. did she talk about murdering anyone? no. murdering caylee? no. any weapons? no. borrow any knives and guns? no. borrow anything she could use to commit a murder? no. what about JC Penny. buy any duct tape? no. plastic bags? no. weapons? no. 16:39:00 -you had no issues dating a girl with a child? no. you liked caylee? yes. did casey be attentive to caylee? yes. did she neglect her? no. go without food? no. wearing dirty clothes? no. most of interaction was that she was a good mother? yes. 16:40:03 - on june 2nd you went to pool? yes. did casey discipline caylee? not that I recall. Do you recall by the pool where she raised her voice? not by the pool. do you recall that at all? no. if i show you your statement on september 18, 2008, would that help? sure. 16:42:02 - tell jury what happened? she was going near pool, didn;t want her to go near pool. what did casey do? what any mother would do, stop her from getting near the pool. did caylee enjoy the pool? yes. you saw that? yes. 16:43:15 - there was a secret she shared, right? yes. OBJECT. sustained on heresay. SIDEBAR. 16:44:30 - OBJECTION SUSTAINED. 16:45:00 - you were cooperative with law enforcement? yes sir. the only people you talked to was law enforcement? yes sir. you wouldn't speak to defense? you cooperated with their every request? yes. you allowed them to tap your phone? yes. you wore a wire? yes. 16:46:00 - you never made any statements to media? no. you never sold any photos or made money off this case? no sir. 16:46:40 - the first time casey ran out of gas, you had to break into the shed? yes. Could she have broken in? she could have. 16:47:28 - at that point, you drove to her car? yes. did she say stay away from the car? no. was she blocking you in any way? no. did she tell you to stay away? no. when she poured the gas into tank, you were standing next to her? right. how far is trunk, a few feet away? more than two feet. 16:48:51 - after she poured gas can in, she opened trunk? no. at any time did you smell any stench in that car? no sir. but I wasn't in the car. 16;51:01 - do you recall if you saw lining of trunk? no sir. baez shows him statement from october 2008. 16:51:45 - when she opened trunk, you could see liner? yes. on the edge of the car. the second time she ran out of gas, she told you she ran out of gas? yes. I said broke down meaning she ran out of gas. on the 27th of june, you came because she ran out of gas? yes. I was just offering help in general. 16:53:10 - baez wants to introduce photo after talking about hardship for lazzaro to return to testify. 17:02:15 - you can't introduce those now. read the ID numbers into the record just so we know what you're talking about. 17:03:15 - when you went to pick up casey at amscot, her car was in a parking spot, right? it was cockeyed. it was at goldenrod? where goldenrod meets colonial. 17:04:38 - you can approach witness but don't expose it to jury 17:07:50 - WE WILL COME BACK TOMORROW. RECESS FOR THE EVENING.
CASEY ANTHONY TRIAL / SWITCHED P1
FTG FOR COVERAGE OF THE CASEY ANTHONY MURDER TRIAL / DAY 2 OF TRIAL / SWITCHED POOL Early Morning Session 9:01:03 - I'm not going to have a jury waiting around as you search for files. How much time do need to search for a file? if you continue this you'll be working Sundays to. You need to put your heads together. there's be a 10 minute recess. SESSION RESUMES AT 9:14:50 - Cameron Campana called to stand - lond dark hair, wearing dark colored shirt. 9:16:11 - 2007 to 2009, almost three years. did you graduate from full sail? yes, 9:16:30 - what do you currently do? I'm a club promoter in cleveland 9;16:45- sutton place apartments, I forget which apartment number. I lived with Anthony Lazarro. It was a two bedroom, two bathroom apartment, maybe one thousand square feet. 9:18:26 - at one point you had four men living in this apartment? yes. 9:18:55 - directing your attention to May, June, 2008. can you tell me your school schedule? 9:19:54 - SIDEBAR 9:21:50- did your classes also entail working? no. after you went to classes from 1-9, you were done? yes. 9:22:34 - we started at the same time, we were on different schedules. did you have the occassion to meet casey. 9:23:04- I met her through anthony lazarro after a birthday party, May 24th or around that date. 9:23:32- she was just a regular 22 year old girl, happy, just seemed normal. just your average 22 year old. 9:24:12- the middle of June, 2008 (casey started staying with them) 9:24:30- I would see har daily once she would start staying with us. outside the apartent, 2 or 3 times. 9:24:55 - about four times maybe three (met caylee). either in lazarro's room or in lving room watching tv 9:25:33- Caylee never spent the night at the apartment. 9:25:58 - she had mentioned to us she worked for universal as an event coordinator. she would talk about her job every now and them. she had mentioned picking up tickets for a batman premeiere. she'd say work was stressing her out. she told anthony she was going to get red carpet tickets for the premeier but it never happened. 9:28:20 - she told us she was looking for an apartment with amy. had you met her? i believe once. 9:29:05 - did you ever see defendant getting ready to go to work? no. 9:29:20 - when she started living with you did you ever see caylee again? I believe once. we had asked and one time she said she was going to universal with the nanny. the other time she was going to cocoa beach for a birthday party. 9:30:03 - she said she'd talk to caylee on the phone. 9:30:21- did you ever hear her on the phone talking to her daughter? no. did you hear her talking to the nanny? no. did you ever hear her on the phone? she'd step outside and talk. she'd go out by the pond out back. when she came back to the apartment did she tell you who she was talking to? I asked her why she always went out side and she said it was her time to vent. 9:31:50- who was doing the cooking? everyone would do their part. she'd started cooking and buying groceries. 9:32:28 - it was mostly her laundry, sometimes anthony's and I think one time she did mine. she helped clean, we all helped keep it. 9:33:15- did you have a computer? yes, macbook pro. did your roomates have computer? yes. did you see the defendant with a compyuter? yes. did you see her using it? yes. Did you ever use it? no. did she ever ask to borrow your computer? no. anyone else? no. 9:34:11 - she seemed just the same, nothing had changed. she was happy. seemed excited about life. did you ever socailize outsid the apartment? one or two times. 9:34:51- have you ever heard of fusion. 9:35:55- have you ever met george or cindy anthony? no 9:36:11 - did you see any clothing that belonged to caylee? only when she brought her over. did you see it after she started living with you? not that I saw. any stuffed animals? no. 9:37:00- did she ever tell you her daughter was missing? no. that she'd been kidnapped? no. did she ever ask you for help in finding caylee? no. are you aware of an incident July 15 when the defendants mother came to your apartment? I had class and anthony told me what happened. 9:38:10 - had you ever met lee anthony before? no. what did you tell him? I was sorry about what had happened. how did he seem? he seemed calm but at the same time he was worried. he came and picked up a bag of clothes casey had in anthony's room. did you have any contact with defendant after that night? no. lee anthony? no. 9:39;15 - NO FURTHER QUESTIONS, CROSS EXAMINATION BEGINS 9:39:36- were you in casey's home, June, 2008, when caylee drowned? no. end of questions. NEXT WITNESS - NATHAN LEZNIEWICZ - buzz cut, tan shirt 9:41:28 - Nathan Lezniewicz called to stand 94:2:33 - lived in Orlando, going to full sail university for audio engineering. attended for a year and half. attained no degree. currently in band in Vero Beach, also played in bands while attending full sail. 9:43:40 - first started living with Tony Lazarro at end of May 2008. slept on couch, planned on staying for about a month once lease ended 9:44:30 - school schedule for month of June was 9-5. no work outside of school at time. left town a lot. 9:45:08 - how did you first meet Casey Anthony? the drummer of my band, Daniel Howard, had a birthday party which is where Tony and Casey first met. She seemed like a normal 22 year old girl. She was outgoing. 9:46:04 - where did you first meet Caylee? at my apartment 9:46:39 - did she ever spend the night? did casey or caylee ever spend the night? no sir. did there ever come a time she stayed every day? when? third and fourth week of june her staying over picked up quite a bit. 9:47:25 - did she every tell you about her employment? she said she was employed at universal. did you ever see ID badge? no sir. did she ever talk about her work? once in a while. The only thing she talkd about a batman premiere. 9:48:30 - did she ever complain about her work? no sir 9:48:45 - while you were getting ready for school, was she getting ready for work? she was getting ready also and I assumed that's where she was going. 9:49:22- did you spend time alone with her? yes sir. what did you do? hang out, watch tv. was Tony's other roommate, from Ft. Pierce, was in a band, travelled a 9:45:18 - first met casey when drummer in his band had a bday party. Casey was there. That's where tony met her. 9:45:44 - she seemed like a normal girl 9:51:10 - typically she was with the nanny, out doing things. was there anything about casey's demeanor that made you qeustion what she was telling you? no sir. 9:51:50- did she tell you about her parents? not much. when she had a conversation with her parents, she'd leave the apartment because she didn't want us to hear them. did you ever hear here speaking to her daughter? no sir. the nanny? no sir. 9:52:53- did you ever get near car? no sir. did she tell you she was having car trouble? just one morning when she broke down near the amscot. 9:53:40 - what did she do while in the apartment? did she cook? yes. did she clean? yes. did she do the laundry? no, not mine. where did you socialize? fusion nightclub, mostly friday evenings. were there any things going on friday nights? 9:54:44 - how many times were you at fusion with casey? two or three times maybe. 9:56:20 - pic of casey with NATHAN 9:56:40- when you were at fusion did she participate in a contest? yes. what was that contest? a hot body contest. 9:57:30- where was that photo taken? at fusion. was this during June, 2008? yes sir. BAEZ ASKS FOR SIDEBAR, JUDGE SAYS Not at this point. 9:58:16 - photo admitted into evidence. 9:58:34 - SIDEBAR AGAIN. 10:02:58 - JUDGE ALLOWS PHOTO TO BE PUBLISHED TO JURY 10:03:20 - she always seemed like she was having a good time. she's an outgoing personality. at any time she was living with you, did you ever see her distraught? no sir. depressed? no sir. scared? no sir. angry? no sir. did she ever tell you her daughter was missing? no sir. her daughter was kidnapped? no sir. did she ever ask for help in trying to find her? no sir. 10:05:03 - during this time period, was there anything about her demeanor that gave you concern? no sir. when there was a knock on the door, there was a blond girl there I didn't recognize. casey stepped outside and closed the door. she came back inside with her mother and amy huizinga. did you see casey come back after she left with the blond gir? yes. what happened? she was in an argument with cindy and cindy told her to get her stuff and go. did she go outside? yes sir. did she come back? no. did you ever see her again? no. did you speak with her on the phone. no sir. 10:06:51 - we were confused. we didn't know what was going on. we thought it was just something between her, her mother and roommmate. 10:07:30 - lee felt bad for us and said his sister was known to get into trouble ...objection, sustained. 10:08:12- were you visited by law enforcement? yes. how many times? twice. 100900 - did law enforcement question you about amy? no. how long were they there? about five minutes, just enough to collect cell phone. 10:09:46 - what did police do the second time? they searched the apartment. how long where they there? maybe 20-25 minutes. did they take items with them? I do not recall. 10:10:15 =- did you see any clothing belonging to caylee? no sir. any stuffed animals? no sir. NO FURTHER QUESTIONS CROSS EXAMINATION 10:11:12 - you saw caylee how many times? two to three. did she look hungry? no. well fed? yes. did casey seem attentive? yes. 10:12:10 - looking back at casey's behavior, there was no indication that caylee was dead? no sir. there was no signs in any way shape or form? no sir. 10:13:07 - she didn't park 50 yards away where no other cars were parked? no sir. I have no further questions. 10:13:30 - were you present on june 2008 when caylee drowned in the pool? no sir. SIR YOU MAY STAND DOWN. BREAK Late Morning Session TESTIMONY RESUMES AT 10:36:09 STATE CALLS ROY HAUSE GOES BY CLINT - short dark hair, blue button down. 10:39:04 - where do you live? jacksonville, sir. was there a time you lived in orlando? yes sir. when? 2007-2009. what were you studying there? recording arts to engineer and produce music. how long were you there? 10 months. did you get a degree? no. 10:39:56 - where did you live? with tony and cam. what time period in 2008? I was only there a few months. I moved in the end of April and moved out June, 2008. 10:40:43- do you recall during that time period you were at school? I'd be there from 1am to 5am, sometimes 1pm to 5pm. 10:41:20 - did you meet casey? yes I did. do you recall where? tony and I met her at a party. 10:41:56 - she seemed like a fun party girl who'd get along with our group of friends. 10:42:30 - did you ever meet caylee? yes. where? at the sutton place apartments. how many times? four or five times. did caylee ever stayed over? no she never stayed over? did there come a times casey started staying full time? yes. when? middle of June she started spending most of the nights there. did you mind? no, not at all? was this a big apartment? no, we were all kind of crammed in there. 10:43:55 - did casey ever tell you about her employment? she said she worked at universal. did you ever see credentials? no. did she complain about it? no. 10:44:41 - she didn't talk about her work all that much. 10:44:55- when she started staying full time, did you ever see caylee? when she started aying on regular basis we stopped seeing caylee. did you ask her about caylee? yes. she said she was with the nanny. did she indicate nanny was local? yes. did she indicate caylee was anywhere but orlando? no. did it seem odd child was always with nanny. objection. did you question her about where caylee was? i asked her where caylee was and she said she was with the nanny. was there any concern in her voice? no. did she appear worried about where caylee was? no. did she seem sad about not seeing her? her demeanor never changed. 10:47:10 - did you also had a laptop? yes. did casey have a laptop? yes. what kind? hp. did you ever use her computer? no. did she ever use yours? no. did she ever use anyone's but her own? no. while she was staying with you, were you ever present when she spoke on the phone? yes. to whom was she speaking? she'd always walk outside and was either on phone with nanny or her mother. was there any change in her demeanor? no. did she appear nervous? no sir. scared? no sir. 10:48:52- did you see her on daily basis at this time? yes. where did you recall going with her? every friday night we had our own promotional night at fusion and she'd come every friday. she'd try to help us bring people out. when you say she helped bring people out, what do you mean? because she was tony's girlfriend, she'd tell her friends to come out using facebook, myspace, texts. 10:50:29 - none of her friends ever came. 10:50:40 - did casey participate in those events? yes. what role did she play? she was in a couple contests I hosted. she was in a hot body contest, she would mingle with the crowd. 10:51:40 - did casey have anything to do with selecting shot girls? no. did she have anything to do with how they dressed? she'd give them some tidbits but I was telling the girls what they needed to wear. she would say maybe they should wear these shorts with this shot. 10:52:55- do you know a woman by the name of marie kish? yes. did she attend any of the nights at fusion? yes she did. DEFENSE CONFERS, NOW A SIDEBAR. 10:59:50 - SHOT OF GEORGE AND CINDY IN COURTROOM. 11:04:00 - testimony resumes 11:04:11 - what was her demeanor at fusion? she was partying and having a good time. did she seem upset about anything? no. did she seem happy? yes. 11:04:58 - they both seemed happy with each other. she'd come over and cook dinner for everybody. tony seemed happy and so did she. did you see casey and tony fight? no. did you ever notice casey sad? no. angry? no. depressed? no. withdrawn? no. she was still same. 11:06:08 - were you home July 15? no, I moved out. moved out two weeks before that. 11:07:20 - did you have any further contact with casey? no. did she ever tell you her daughter was kidnapped? no. was she worried about her? no. she needed help? no. NO FURTHER QUESTIONS 11:08:36 - the extent you know casey is a month and a half? yes. and you saw caylee how many times? four or five times. did she have backpack? yes. she would have toys, flashcards with shaped and colors. what other learning tools did you see casey teach caylee. never saw any other learning tools. she did have some dvds she brought over. in this bag you'd see diapers, other snacks? yes sir. did you see caylee malnourished? no sir. neglected? no sir. see casey strike caylee? no sir. treat caylee as a burden? no. would you say she was a good mother? yes I would. 11:10:55 - did you ever seen them go out to the pool? no. were you aware that tony lazarro casey and caylee went to pool on june 2nd? yes. who else was there? no one but them. 11:1:44- you weren't keeping a close eye on casey's computer at any time? no sir. 11:13:30- discussion about fusion, what it is, sushi bar, etc. 11:14:17 - this business with shot girls, that's part of your ambiance? yes. casey wasn't a shot girl, was she? no sir. she volunteered to manage these girls? she wasn't managing anybody. that was me and tony. this was while she was staying with you, rent free? yes. part of pulling her weight helping you financially? yes. cooking? yes. cleaning? yes. trash? no, that was us guys. 11:16:00- casey was a friendly girl? yes. she cared about people? yes. she cared about you? yes. you saw her caring for her child? yes. you found out caylee was dead during that time period? yes, i have. you noticed no change in her behavior from the time period she was a loving and caring mother up until the time caylee was deceased? never saw one change in her. 11:17:00 WITNESS EXCUSED 11:18:30 - MARIA KISSH - LONG DARK HAIR, GRAY BLAZER, BLUE BLOUSE. 11:19:20 - she describes who she is, her job in retail sales, educational background at UF, majored in political science, 2007. employed in 2008. working for man running for county office. paying job. had position in may, june 2008. 11:22:00 - I was introduced through clint. had you already known tony? yes. had you known nathan? yes. you knew all these people but casey was a new person you met? yes. did you meet her daughter? no. at some point did you meet caylee? yes. where? at tony's apartment. what do you recall about meeting her? caylee answered the door by herself. had you seen her before? no sir. did you ask her who she was? I knew who she was and said hi, how are you. when you walking in did you see casey? no. at some point did you see her? I did. where from? tony's room. how much time did you spend with caylee? not long, a half hour. 11:24:20 - was casey anywhere around? I saw her come out of the room for a minute and then she went back into tony's room. 11:24:55 - I ended up sitting on balcony and caylee was out there as well. clint got me and said he was ready to go. I felt uncomfortable. why? I didn't want to leave caylee alone. was it (balcony) screened? yes, it was. OBJECTION. APPROACH. 11:26:27 - SHOT OF GEORGE ANTHONY 11:28:30 - SHOT OF CASEY TALKING WITH FEMALE ATTORNEY 11:30:14 - SHOT OF EVIDENCE, FILES, FILE BOXES 11:33:10 - testimony continues 11:33:23 - right around that time, tony caylee and casey were going to leave as well. so casey and tony came out and casey told caylee to get her shoes on because it was time to leave. that was about it. I saw caylee struggling to put on her shoes and socks so i helped her put on her shoes. was caylee verbal with you? yes. she was. was the plan for all of you to go out together? no. 11:35:10 - after that visit, did you see caylee again? yes sir. how often were you at your boyfriend's? 2 to 3 times a week. did you stay the night? a couple times. when you were there, did you recall a time casey was there? I do. all the time? yes. how did you become aware of that. I talked to clint and he would tell me casey's been there all day. OBJECTION. sustained. 11:36:22- was the defendant there? yes. when you stayed for dinner was she there? yes. how would you describe relationship with casey? we saw each other several times because tony and clint would be together. we didn't have a friendship but it was an acquaintance. 11:37:18 - she said she worked for univeral as an event planner. any other details? no sir. ever tell you her hours? not that i can remember. ever see any ID from universal? no sir. did you question if she workd at universal? no sir. 11:38:10 - spend time with casey outside apartment? yes. what kinds of things? going out at night to bar or club and grabbing a bite to eat. did you see casey and tony together? yes. what were your observations on them as couple? OBJECTION, opinion, overruled. 11:39:08 - They got along well, it seemd to be beneficial for tony. did they appear to like each other? I believe so. 11:39:40 - did you ever see them argue? no. do you know what fusion is? yes. what is it? restaurant slash night club. were you at fusion with boyfriend and casey? yes sir. how many times? one time. 11:40:30 - I went to fusion with casey on June 20th. how do you remember? it was a friday and there was a hot body contest that night. 11:41:10 - what do you recall about hot body contest. objection. sustained. did you witness it? yes sir. did defendant participate? yes sir. what was defendant wearing during contest? she was wearing thin knit dress, blueish color. 11:42:34 - pic of casey and nathan 11:43:00 - based on outfit she appears to be wearing, is this an accurate representation of what she was wearing on june 20, 2008. yes. did you participate? no sir. PIC REPUBLISHED TO JURY 11:44:00 - do you recall any role other than being in hot body contest? yes. what was her role? she was in charge of the shot girls. did you see her interacting with them? i did. did you hear her telling them what they were supposed to do? i did. did you hear her discussing their attire? i can't remember. was there anyting about casey's demeanor that alarmed you? no. did she appear angry or upset? no sir. 11:45:20 - where did you stay that night? at the apartment. did you see casey next morning? yes, in kitchen in the morning. did you have a discussion? yes. I asked her where caylee was. she said she was spending weekend at the beach with the nanny. did she give you nanny's name? no. she told me she paid the nanny 400 dollars a week. 11:46:40 - did you ask casey about caylee's dad? APPROACH OBJECTION OVERRULED 11:48:40- what did casey tell you about caylee's dad? she told me he was deceased. 11:49:20 - what did she tell you her living situation was? that she was going to move into her parent's house and they were giving the house to her and caylee. when? didn't give an exact time, within the next couple of months. did casey ever tell you her daughter was missing? no. kidnapped? no. out looking for her? no. asked for help? no. 11:50:15 - did you ride in her car? yes. when? can't remember exact date. it was while she was staying with them, cling and tony. when you were in the car, who were you with? I was with casey, tony and clint. THANK YOU. CROSS EXAMINATION. 11:51;10 - where did you go in the car? to get something to eat. when you sat in back seat did you smell odor? no sir. clint was in backseat? yes. did he say anything? no sir. did tony say anything? no sir. 11:52:30 - you didn't like her being at house? it didn't bother me. your boyfriend lived at house? correct. and casey was at the same house? correct. it struck you odd she was there all the time? yes sir. you would call your boyfriend when she was there? yes. that didn't bother you? no, it never bothered me at all. END OF QUESTIONING around 11:50am Early Afternoon Session 13:14:12 - defense claims the testimony to the shovel is not relevant. says the shovel is misleading, not related nor tied to the offense. we present motion to exclude mention of shovel 13:16:36 - DENIED - just because you're not contesting does not alleviate state's obligation to prove something. anything else before we bring jury back in. BAEZ - objects again. 13:17:34 - discussion of audio problems. 13:20:11 - JURY RETURNS 13:21:15 STATE CALLS BRIAN BURNER - neighbor with shovel. heavy-set man with blue button down shirt, dark hair. 13:22:08 - do you know george and cindy? I do. how do you know them? neighbors. They are your next door neighbors? correct. when did you move into your home? 2005. when you moved in where the anthonys already living there? yes. was casey living there? yes. Lee? I don't recall. how would you describe your relationship with the anthonys? cordial neighbors. did they go to your house for dinner? no. you to theirs? no. 13:24:04 - are any of your children friends with casey or lee? no. 13:24:20 - week of june 16, 2008. were you in your home at that time? yes. did you take a vacation? I did. June 2008? yes. when did you return home? evening of the 16th. you were home on June 17th? yes. did you see casey? I saw casey's vehicle. it was backing into the garage. had you seen casey drive that car before? yes. did anyone else drive it during this time period? no. 12:26:00 - was car into garage or driveway? into the garage. I could see the front end of garage from our window. Did that seem strange? no. have you seen the car backed into the driveway before? not until that day. do you know how long car was there? no. were you home on the 18th? i was doing yardwork outside. was anyone else outside? no. 13:27:15 - did you see casey? she approached me later in the afternoon? when? around 1:30. why did she approach you? she said she wanted to borrow a shovel to dig up a bamboo root. 13:28:20 - pic of shovel 13:28:30 - is that the shovel you lent to casey? yes. OBJECTION OVERRULED AND IT WILL BE RECEIVED INTO EVIDENCE. 13:29:38 - did you see where she came from? no. had she ever asked to borrow anything before? no. did you have a problem with it? no. I walked around to the shed and gave her the shovel. 13:30:29 - did you see her walking into her home? only into the garage. 13:31:00 - while you were cleaning up did you see casey? no. I put equipment in shed then to see if casey was finished. I then went back into the house. I told my son casey borrowed the shovel and if she knocked on the door to take the shovel from her. 13:31:48 - did you get your shovel back? I did. she knocked on the door an hour after I gave her the shovel. did you notice anything different? no. what did you do? I opened garage door and set it in the garage. did you see defendant leave? no. did you see her white car? where? it was back into the garage. 13:32:50 - did you see casey car again that week? one other time. When? either 19 or 20th. 13:33:45 - did you see car pull into the driveway? the car backed in. did you see anything else? no. do you know how long car stayed there? no. 13:34:25 - other than those three instances in June 2008, did you have contact with casey? no. did you have contact with george? one time ...in July. 13:34:55 - when police arrived, did you go outside? no. did you talk to george? no. Cindy? no. when you saw casey on June 18, 2008, did she tell you her daughter was missing? no. kidnapped? no. that she was looking for her? no. did she tell you anything was wrong with her daughter? no. was she upset? no. sad? no. angry? no. just normal. 13:36:40 - THANK YOU SIR. CROSS EXAMINATION 13:37:03 - you fist gave a statement to law enforce. on July 17, 2008, right when media attention began? yes. you saw police cars next door on the 16th? I believe so. do you recall you gave a statement July 17? it was a Thursday. 13:38:10 - when you spoke with them, you told them you didn't know the date casey had borrowed the shovel but knew it was the week of the 16th? correct. you were called into sheriff's on June 30th? yes. you met with corporal edwards? yes. you then spoke with him a while? correct. that's when you started giving them dates? yes. do you recall if edwards asked you to close your eyes to remember because this was important? yes. did edwards tell you that as time passes you start to remember things. would you agree? to some extent. after you closed your eyes, that's when the dates became clear? no. that's when you told him the dates? no. you're saying as time passed you could recall the dates? correct. 12:41:00 - you wouldn't make it a habit to see how she parked her car? no. you're just the average neighbor? yes. you wouldn't consider yourself a nosy neighbor? no. you wouldn't notice how she parks her car every day? correct. 13:41:50 - when she gave you shovel back it wasn't muddy? no. she didn't look sweaty or digging a ditch? not that I recall. 13:42:30 - you can't offer us anything more than speculation about what she did with shovel? yes. NO FURTHER QUESTIONS REDIRECT 13:43:20 - do you recall telling him you saw a pickup? yes, wasn't sure of the vehicle. what do you recall about the incident? that was the monday the gas cans were taken. I looked out window and saw casey and thought nothing of it. 13:44:00 - where did you see casey? in the driveway. could you hear them speaking? no. there was casey and a man? correct. 13:44:33 - do you recall any other car in driveway? no. in garage? no. 13:45:27 - did you see casey drive away? no. did you hear any noises? no. 13:46:00 - was the white car there? no. RECROSS EXAMINATION 13:46:35 - when you started talking about them it was a month later after they occurred? correct. it's tough to recall everything a month prior? correct. no one told you on that day you should be looking for a certain car? correct. 13:48:35 - the anthony family home would be towards the right? correct. 13:49:03 - the date ...CAN I HAVE JUST A MOMENT? 13:49:35 - you didn't see the male? I saw casey and I saw the male first. any time you saw cars, you never saw anyone driving them? no. any time you saw casey's car you didn't see who was driving? correct. this shovel was then turned into fbi? I believe so. after you made that statement, there were media trucks outside your home? yes. for how long? months. STATE OBJECTS TO RELEVANCE. sustained 13:51:15 - you told mr george casey seemed normal? correct. WITHDRAWN WITNESS EXCUSED. RECESS ? 13:55:55 - shots of EVIDENCE BAGS 13:57:05 - MORE SHOTS OF EVIDENCE BAGS Late Afternoon Session 14:06:58 - testimony resumes JAMIE REALANDER - DARK, RED HAIR, BEIGE SWEATER, RED/ORANGE TOP 14:09:10 - detailing where she went to school and where she was working, rosen hotels, working with golf club at shingle creek. 14:10:11 - how did you first meet casey? I met her through a friend at fusion night club. 14:10:40 - who introduced you to casey? I believe it was my friend jenna prentice. who is she? just a friend at the time. was she an employee at fusion? not at that time? how was casey's demeanor? she was happy, seemd like a nice person to be friends with. was this may 2008? yes. was anything odd or out of place? no. 14:11:53- were you employed at some point at fusion? yes. as what? a shot girl. 14;13:10- directing your attention to june 20, 2008, were you a shot girl? no. june 13th? no. june 27th? yes. did you see casey? yes. what was your understanding of her role? she was the one we'd go to with questions. questions such as? where to be stationed, where to go for information. 14:14:15 - did you attend fusion on June 20, not as a shot girl? yes. do you recall a hot body contest? yes. 14:53:52 - do you see photo on monitor? yes. do you recognize yourself? yes. circle where you are. 14:15:19 - pic at FUSION. do you recognize casey? yes. what is she wearing? a blue dress. 14:15:45 - he circles her dress/pic 14:16:00 - anything out of the ordinary you recall from conversations with casey? no. 14:16:25 - is this pic a fair representation of what you and casey looked like on june 20, 2008? yes. You recognize this to be fusion night club? yes. PIC ADMITTED INTO EVIDECE. BAEZ OBJECTS. OBJECTION OVERRULED. PIC MAY BE PUBLISHED 14:17:30 - was she (casey) upset? no. crying? no. objection, overruled. 14:18:30 - were you talked to about what to wear? I don't know if it was by casey. and when you came to work as a shot girl on the 27th of June, casey more or less passed on what you were wearing? yes. did she give you any tips on what to wear? not directly to me. 14:19:40 -was there ever a problem that occurred? yes. tell us. there was large group of people and someone tried to grab one of the shot girls, scratching her. what did casey do? for our safety, she had us leave for the night. we spoke to her on July 15th. was this conversation in person? over the phone. prior to this conversation, were you aware she jad a daughter? no. did you know if she was in a relationship? yes. with who? anthony lazarro. 14:21:00 - we had a conversation about what she'd be diong that day. she went to her job at universal then pick up her daughter casey (on july 15th). 14:21:45 - did she call her daughter by name? no. did she tell you antying about her daughter? that her birthday was the next month and that I was invited to her birthday party? that you were invited? yes. did you see casey outside fusion? no. any subsequent phone calls? not to my knowledge? ever receive text? yes. the one I remember was the day after her mother reported her missing to cops. CROSS EXAMINATION 14:23:50 - did anything happen that had to do with caylee? no. no one saw her? no. did anything happen that night that had to do with her death? no. 14:24:45 - the casey you knew was a nice person? yes. she treated you with respect? yes. she looked out for you and the other girls? yes. was she considered a big sister? yes. she always made sure we were ok and weren't in harms way at all. 14:25:35 - casey was somewhat of a protector? yes. 14:26:00 - you have no information that helps this jury decide what happened june 16th? no. REDIRECT 14:26:30 - did she tell you her daughter was missing? no, kidnapped? no. needed help? no. did she give you any indication something was wrong? no. ERICA GONZALEZ - DARK LONG BLACK HAIR, BLACK SWEATER/BLAZER 14:29:00 - detailing work history, full time mom, education, location, working at fusion night club, shot girl. 14:30:00 - was that a nightly occurrence? it was once every friday. did you work every friday in june 2008? I believe so. OBJECTION, OVERRULED. 14:30:35- did you come into contact with casey? I did. was this at fusion? it was. did you know her beforehand? I did not. how did you meet? I met her through one of the girls at the night club. 14:31:15 - did you have the opportunity to speak with her? when I was a shot girl I spoke to her many times. 14:31:40 - she was kind of like our manager. we'd tell her what we were wearing and if anything happened, she'd protect us. 14:32:30 - did casey ever tell you what to wear? no. ever make suggestions? no. did you ever speak to casey about things outside fusion? 14:33:16 - from speaking with her did you know where she was living? no. 14:33:44 - do you know ms. realander? I do. did an incident happen that you brought to 14:34:00 - did you know she had a child? yes. how? we were in the bathroom one day and she mentioned her daughter. she was taking care of us and explained she had a daughter. did she tell you anything about her? no. how old? no. her name? no. she was missing? NO. kidnapped? no. actively looking for her? no. anything wrong with her daughter? no. anything going on with her? no. ever see anything in her behavior that would lead you to believe anything was wrong? absolutely not. THANK YOU. CROSS EXAMINATION BACK TO PROSECUTION 14:36:25 - we were talking about dinner with all the shot girls. what else? she was going to call me back so we could meet up. she never called back. said she was heading to airport to pick someone up. did she say who? no. did you learn casey's daughter was missing? yes. what did you do? I heard that night I talked to her. I texted her the next day that if she needed anything let me know. I made flyers for my job. did you get response? she said thank you and that she was worried about caylee. did she say when she saw caylee last? with the nanny. 14:38:45 - did you have any understanding that there was anyone else in car with her? I don't recall. do you recall what your phone number was? yes. may I have it? 321-439-4577. CROSS EXAMINATION 14:40:00 - you stated casey was kind to you? she was. she was nice to you? yes. she looked out for all of you? she did. she talked about her daughter in bathroom? yes. did you see casey drink or get drunk? no. do you have any info as to what may have happened to caylee? as far as? how she died. no. WITNESS EXCUSED. RECESS AT 14:41:50 Late Afternoon Session WITNESS ANTHONY LAZZARO - short dark hair, white shirt, black tie 15:09:40 - when you moved into sutton place who did you live with? cameron. just the two of you for awhile? yes. two of my friends slept on the couch. one was roy house and nathan. did they pay any rent? no, it was just a friendly gesture. 15:10:45 - talks about full sail, college schedule, school open 24-7. 15:11:20 - what was your schedule may june 2008? it wasn't consistent. morning class 9-1 then sometimes an evening lab. 15::12:09- did you receive a computer? yes, macbook pro. as part of your education did you take it upon yourself to put on either shows or do some sort of events? they wanted you to get involved with the other kids because these could be people you'd work with in the music industry. 15:13:00- during may, june 2008, did you try to set up a small business? yes. what did you do? i had experience deejaying. me and clint started our own company doing promotion. did it have a name? we had a bunch of names but it became DBC entertainment. 15:14:15 -when did you start working as deejay? we went to fusion. we met with the owner. we said hey we're deejays, we have experience, if you're interested we could do a party on a friday night. that's basically how that started. 15:15:08 - that started in june. at the same time you were taking classes? yes sir. did you own a car this time period? yes. what kind? 97 jeep grand cherokee. 15:15:50 - may 2008, did there come a time you came in contact with casey? yes sir? how did that start? I met her on facebook, we became friends. I found her through facebook, it shows people in your area, so i sent her a friend request. did she respond immediately? I don't know. 15:17:10 - first time we met in person was at my friend's birthday. his name was dan howard. this was the same time I was starting deejay company around the end of May. I was inviting a ton of people and made it a facebook event. That's when she got back to me to go to the party. 15:18:15 - while you were talking did you learn she had a child? I believe so? did you know her name? I can't recall? do you know how old she was? a toddler 15:18:48 - what were your first impressions? pretty girl. she showed up with bunch of friends. we hit it off. 15:19:20 - did you make plans to see her again? Not that night but shortly after. 15:19:45 - she would come over and show up to my apartment. how often? a couple of times. a week? more or less a couple times a week. 15:20:15- did she bring her daughter? yes. did you two stay at apt. or go out? we went to the pool. she brought her daughter over and we went down by the pool. at your apt. complex? yes sir. do you remember when? I'd say June 2nd. 15:21:06 - do you know what arden villas is? That's not ringing a bell. did you invite her to another party? I remember inviting her to a pool party. did she attend? yes. bring anyone? no. 15:22:00 - aware of her car? yes. what was she driving? white pontiac. on june 4th 2008, did you attend party for troy brown? yes. who went? me, clint and maria. when you went to that party where was it? club voyage. when you went there on the 4th of june, who drove? casey did. what car did you take? her car. was it during this time you first met caylee? yes. did you see her in any other context? yes, when we went to mall of millenia. it was a friday afternoon, I'd say the 13th. 15:24:30 - went to mall to hand out flyers for event. when you did that, was casey with you? no. did she go to mall with you? yes. she and caylee walked around the mall. did you meet up again? yes. we went to cheesecake factory and had a late lunch. how did you get to mall? I believe it was in her car. 15:25:30 - did caylee ever spend the night at your apartment? no sir. 15:25:50 - when casey dropped you off at the apartment, was that the last time you saw caylee? yes sir. 15:26:30- did you go to fusion june 13, 2008. yes sir. did casey attend? yes sir. who hires the shot girls? it was between me and clint and the other two promoters. who would instruct the shot girls? it came down to the owner. 15:27:59 - casey wanted to help out so we said you could tell the shot girls what they needed to know. did she tell them what to wear? I don't recall. 15:28:40 - she had a job at universal studios? did she tell you what she did? something with events. did she ever give you details about the job? throughout the relationship she'd talk abuot specific people. I recall a Jeff, other girls names. did she complain about the job? I can't remember specifics. She might have. see her with ID? she'd walk in apt. with universal badge. did it have pic on it? yes. 15:30;15 - her babysitter and her mother (were taking care of caylee while casey was at work). did she talk to you about the babysitter's name? at that point, zani. this was at begining of relationship? yes. tell you where zani lived? no. any relatives? no. cared for any other kids? no. ever discuss what she paid zani? I don't remember. did she ever tell you when the nanny would take care of her and when her mother would take care of her? it would be either or. 15:32:06 COUNSEL APPROACHES BENCH 10 MINUTE RECESS. 15:40:18 - testimony resumes. 15:42:17- pic of tony and casey. 15:42:30 - was that pic taken in june, 2008? yes sir. can you tell when it was taken? it'd have to be early june when I began promoting ....is that accurate representation of what you both looked like on June 13, 2008? yes sir. 15:43:43 - SIDEBAR shot of george and cindy at 15:46:10 15:48:20 - OBJECTION NOTED AND OVERRULED 15:48:41 - PIC IS PUBLISHED TO THE JURY 15:49:15 - after this showcase, did casey return to your apt? yes. did she stay over? yes. was this the first time she stayed over? I believe so yes, definitely. did there come a time after june 13 that casey began spending more time with you? yes. mid to late june. did she spend every night? yes. 15:50:45 - did you see defendant that day (June 16)? yes. what time? anywhere after 6:30-7. do you recall going to blockbuster? yes. with casey? yes. 15:51:45 - JUDGGE READS: copy of video surveillance at blockbuster are true and accurate represenation. parties have agreed to this fact. should be considered true in your deliberations. you may proceed. 15:52:40 - move DVD of video into evidence. 15:53:30- video published to jury 15:53:39 - shots of video surveillance at blockbuster being shown in court 15:54:30 - did you recognize yourself? yes, that's the marbury jersey. you have your arms around someone? who? casey. this is on june 16, 2008? yes sir. how would you describe her demeanor? the way she was every day. which was? happy ..happy to see me, having a grand old time. did she ever cry? no. act scared? no. nervous? tell you that dauther was missing? no. something wrong with her? no. something happeend to her? no. attitude any different than previous times you had seen her? no.did she stay over that night? yes sir. from there on did she stay with you? yes. 15:56:51- any toiletries for caylee? no. do you recall her talking to caylee on phone? not taht I recall. her parents? any time she talked on phone she went outside. on this night, did she call anyone? no. on june 16th,this was a new relationship? yes. did you care for her? yes. it was going well? yes. any fights? no. disagreements? no. She stayed that night, correct? yes. the following day did you spend with her? yes, I played hookey. why? didn't feel like leaving my home. you spent you day with Casey? yes. what was your phone number? i've changed it so many times, I can't remember. It was an ATT. 15:59:20 - on june 17th you play hookey? yes. what did you do? stayed in my room. any change in casey's behavior? no. did she give you any indication anything wrong? no. say antying about her daughter? no. do you recall if she ever called anyone in your presence? not in my presence. you spend the entire day and night with her june 17? yes sir. how about june 18? I went to class. what was casey doing? going to work, going to see caylee, wherever she had to go. did she tell you where she'd go? no. you understood she had a job? yes. 16:01:25 - on june 19 did you go looking for apt? yes. did you go with casey? yes. 16:01:58 -who were you planning on living with? nathan and brian. did you bring defendant? yes. did you both look at it? no. she didn't have ID on her. during this time period, where was casey living? she was living at home, she was always talking about taking the anthony's home because they were going to move out. 16:03:37 - the defendant was goin gto live with amy, either in another home or apt? yes. did she say anything about her dad? not at that time? her mother? not that I can recall at that time. Right now everything's pretty good? yes sir. 16:04:15 - by the 18th of june were you sharing any of your secrets? not that I recall. June 20th, did you go to fusion again? yes sir. another hip hop showcase? did casey go with you? yes sir. did anything different happen? yes, there was a hot body contest. promoted beforehand? I can't recall but it was a last minute decision. when you got there, were there enough to have a contest? more or less. At some point did casey particpate? yes. who asked her to participate? I wasn't present. she told me about it. any objections to it? I can't recall, I maybe hestitated for a second. 16:06:45 - since this is your showcase, what is your role? my role is to make sure nothing got out of hand. that was basically it. 16:07:55 - do you recognize that photo? yes. what is it? the hot body contest? do you recogize casey? yes. what is she wearing? a blue dress. you were present while this was going on? yes. a fair and accurate representation of contest? yes sir. MOVE INTO EVIDENCE. BAEZ OBJECTS. OVERRULED. RECEIVED INTO EVIDENCE. PUBLISHED TO JURY. 16:10:00 - any diffrence in casey's behavior? no sir. any time did she tell you caylee is missing? no sir. kidnapped? no sir. actively looking for her? no sir. ask you for help? no. she needed help? something had happened to her? no. 16:11:22- was showcase a success? yes. defendant came home with you? yes sir. June 23rd, was there a time casey told you she had run out of gas? yes sir. what time? mid to late afternoon. where you in class? I was at home. what did she tell you? she ran out of gas and needed to be picked up. did she sound scared? no. frantic? no. worried? no. I went to where she was an picked her up. 16:13:16 - did you talk to her on phone while going to meet her? yes. did she have anything with her? a backpack. had you seen it before? I can't remember. where did you go? she said she had gas at her house. had you been to her house? no. did she direct you? yes. Parked in driveway. where there any cars in driveway? no. where did you go? to her backyard. did you go into garage? yes. how did you get in? she opened it. 16:14:38 - when door opened, any cars in garage? no. did you go in anthony home? we went to back yard. did you recall being inside home? I don't recall. you went to side of house? we went to the shed. we had to open it. that;s where gas cans werre. we broke lock with tire iron from my truck. were you concerned? yes. she said it's ok it's my shed. 16:16:08 - did you break the lock? yes. how many gas cans did you take? two. what did you do with them? put them in the truck and she directed me to her car. who put gas into car? casey did. after, what did she do with cans? she put them in trunk. what kind of car? white pontiac. when she opened the trunk could you see inside? no. where did you go? back to my apt. did casey express concern with breaking into shed? no. did her mood change? no. was she ok? yes. 16:18:04 - what happened when she took a phone call? she'd go outside. 16:18:25 - did you find it odd she'd leave every time she took a phone call? yes and no. i thought it'd be a private matter with her mom. was there a change in mood? no. ever give you any details? no. did casey ever say to you I'm going to call the babysitter? yes. did she dial a phone? she'd grab phone and go outside. did she tell you about arguments with mom? I don't remember anything specific. did her mood change after talking with mom? no, not drastically. did she give you details? no, it wasn't my business. 16:20:20 - did she give you any indication about home life? after I got back from NY. Gone June 30 to 5th july. 16:21:25 - did she tell you where she was? at an amscot. where? end of goldenrod road. did you pick her up? yes. did yo get out of car? no. was she in car? outside of car. did she have anything in her hands? bags or groceries. what did she have? groceries. when she got in car, did she have anger about running out of gas? she said the car broke down and my father will look at it. 16:23:10 - what did casey say when you offered help? that her father would take care of it. after you picked her up did you go to apt.? yes. drop off groceries? yes. did you go to fashion square mall later that day? yes. 16:24:20 - COPY OF VIDEO SURVEILLANCE FROM JC PENNEY. SUBMITTED INTO EVIDENCE. PUBLISHED TO JURY. 16:25:50 - VIDEO SHOWN TO JURY AND IN COURT 16:27:17 - do you recognize yourself? yes. how about casey is she there? yes. 16:27:55 - more shots of video 16:28:57 - I take it you drove to the mall? yes sir. did you ever see that car again? no. did you buy anything at the mall? did I personally? no. June 27, did you go to fusion again? yes. another showcase? yes. did casey go with you? yes sir. 16:29:57 - do you recognize that photo? yes. who is that? myself and casey anthony. when was it taken? june 27th. 16:30:57 - is this accurate representation of what you and casey looked like on june 27th? yes. BAEZ OBJECTS. OVERRULED. RECEIVED INTO EVIDENCE. 16:31:47 - on this night, was there any change in casey's demeanor? no sir. was she upset? no sir. angry? no sir. sad? no sir. her daughter was missing? no sir. kidnapped? no sir. she needed help? no sir. 16:32:45- what date did you leave for vacation? the 30th of june. how did you get to airport? casey drove me and cameron to the airport. how did you get to airport? in my jeep. did you drive? yes. what was the plan for the car? casey was supposed to drop it off at sutton place. 16:33:48 - did you agree to let her use your car? no. did you talk abuot the status of her car? yes. her dad was supposed to take is someplace ...mechanic or dealership. her father was taking care of it. 16:34:36 - is casey in this court? yes. what is she wearing? she's wearing a blue blouse. THANK YOU YOUR HONOR. WITNESS IS SUBJECT TO RECALL. CROSS EXAMINATION. 16:35:52 - you realize casey is standing trial on a death penalty case? yes. did she talk about murders she committed? no. did she borrow duct tape? no. get any weapons? no. what about the second photo. did she talk about murdering anyone? no. murdering caylee? no. any weapons? no. borrow any knives and guns? no. borrow anything she could use to commit a murder? no. what about JC Penny. buy any duct tape? no. plastic bags? no. weapons? no. 16:39:00 -you had no issues dating a girl with a child? no. you liked caylee? yes. did casey be attentive to caylee? yes. did she neglect her? no. go without food? no. wearing dirty clothes? no. most of interaction was that she was a good mother? yes. 16:40:03 - on june 2nd you went to pool? yes. did casey discipline caylee? not that I recall. Do you recall by the pool where she raised her voice? not by the pool. do you recall that at all? no. if i show you your statement on september 18, 2008, would that help? sure. 16:42:02 - tell jury what happened? she was going near pool, didn;t want her to go near pool. what did casey do? what any mother would do, stop her from getting near the pool. did caylee enjoy the pool? yes. you saw that? yes. 16:43:15 - there was a secret she shared, right? yes. OBJECT. sustained on heresay. SIDEBAR. 16:44:30 - OBJECTION SUSTAINED. 16:45:00 - you were cooperative with law enforcement? yes sir. the only people you talked to was law enforcement? yes sir. you wouldn't speak to defense? you cooperated with their every request? yes. you allowed them to tap your phone? yes. you wore a wire? yes. 16:46:00 - you never made any statements to media? no. you never sold any photos or made money off this case? no sir. 16:46:40 - the first time casey ran out of gas, you had to break into the shed? yes. Could she have broken in? she could have. 16:47:28 - at that point, you drove to her car? yes. did she say stay away from the car? no. was she blocking you in any way? no. did she tell you to stay away? no. when she poured the gas into tank, you were standing next to her? right. how far is trunk, a few feet away? more than two feet. 16:48:51 - after she poured gas can in, she opened trunk? no. at any time did you smell any stench in that car? no sir. but I wasn't in the car. 16;51:01 - do you recall if you saw lining of trunk? no sir. baez shows him statement from october 2008. 16:51:45 - when she opened trunk, you could see liner? yes. on the edge of the car. the second time she ran out of gas, she told you she ran out of gas? yes. I said broke down meaning she ran out of gas. on the 27th of june, you came because she ran out of gas? yes. I was just offering help in general. 16:53:10 - baez wants to introduce photo after talking about hardship for lazzaro to return to testify. 17:02:15 - you can't introduce those now. read the ID numbers into the record just so we know what you're talking about. 17:03:15 - when you went to pick up casey at amscot, her car was in a parking spot, right? it was cockeyed. it was at goldenrod? where goldenrod meets colonial. 17:04:38 - you can approach witness but don't expose it to jury 17:07:50 - WE WILL COME BACK TOMORROW. RECESS FOR THE EVENING.
CASEY ANTHONY TRIAL / SWITCHED P2
FTG FOR COVERAGE OF THE CASEY ANTHONY MURDER TRIAL / DAY 2 OF TRIAL / SWITCHED POOL Early Morning Session 9:01:03 - I'm not going to have a jury waiting around as you search for files. How much time do need to search for a file? if you continue this you'll be working Sundays to. You need to put your heads together. there's be a 10 minute recess. SESSION RESUMES AT 9:14:50 - Cameron Campana called to stand - lond dark hair, wearing dark colored shirt. 9:16:11 - 2007 to 2009, almost three years. did you graduate from full sail? yes, 9:16:30 - what do you currently do? I'm a club promoter in cleveland 9;16:45- sutton place apartments, I forget which apartment number. I lived with Anthony Lazarro. It was a two bedroom, two bathroom apartment, maybe one thousand square feet. 9:18:26 - at one point you had four men living in this apartment? yes. 9:18:55 - directing your attention to May, June, 2008. can you tell me your school schedule? 9:19:54 - SIDEBAR 9:21:50- did your classes also entail working? no. after you went to classes from 1-9, you were done? yes. 9:22:34 - we started at the same time, we were on different schedules. did you have the occassion to meet casey. 9:23:04- I met her through anthony lazarro after a birthday party, May 24th or around that date. 9:23:32- she was just a regular 22 year old girl, happy, just seemed normal. just your average 22 year old. 9:24:12- the middle of June, 2008 (casey started staying with them) 9:24:30- I would see har daily once she would start staying with us. outside the apartent, 2 or 3 times. 9:24:55 - about four times maybe three (met caylee). either in lazarro's room or in lving room watching tv 9:25:33- Caylee never spent the night at the apartment. 9:25:58 - she had mentioned to us she worked for universal as an event coordinator. she would talk about her job every now and them. she had mentioned picking up tickets for a batman premeiere. she'd say work was stressing her out. she told anthony she was going to get red carpet tickets for the premeier but it never happened. 9:28:20 - she told us she was looking for an apartment with amy. had you met her? i believe once. 9:29:05 - did you ever see defendant getting ready to go to work? no. 9:29:20 - when she started living with you did you ever see caylee again? I believe once. we had asked and one time she said she was going to universal with the nanny. the other time she was going to cocoa beach for a birthday party. 9:30:03 - she said she'd talk to caylee on the phone. 9:30:21- did you ever hear her on the phone talking to her daughter? no. did you hear her talking to the nanny? no. did you ever hear her on the phone? she'd step outside and talk. she'd go out by the pond out back. when she came back to the apartment did she tell you who she was talking to? I asked her why she always went out side and she said it was her time to vent. 9:31:50- who was doing the cooking? everyone would do their part. she'd started cooking and buying groceries. 9:32:28 - it was mostly her laundry, sometimes anthony's and I think one time she did mine. she helped clean, we all helped keep it. 9:33:15- did you have a computer? yes, macbook pro. did your roomates have computer? yes. did you see the defendant with a compyuter? yes. did you see her using it? yes. Did you ever use it? no. did she ever ask to borrow your computer? no. anyone else? no. 9:34:11 - she seemed just the same, nothing had changed. she was happy. seemed excited about life. did you ever socailize outsid the apartment? one or two times. 9:34:51- have you ever heard of fusion. 9:35:55- have you ever met george or cindy anthony? no 9:36:11 - did you see any clothing that belonged to caylee? only when she brought her over. did you see it after she started living with you? not that I saw. any stuffed animals? no. 9:37:00- did she ever tell you her daughter was missing? no. that she'd been kidnapped? no. did she ever ask you for help in finding caylee? no. are you aware of an incident July 15 when the defendants mother came to your apartment? I had class and anthony told me what happened. 9:38:10 - had you ever met lee anthony before? no. what did you tell him? I was sorry about what had happened. how did he seem? he seemed calm but at the same time he was worried. he came and picked up a bag of clothes casey had in anthony's room. did you have any contact with defendant after that night? no. lee anthony? no. 9:39;15 - NO FURTHER QUESTIONS, CROSS EXAMINATION BEGINS 9:39:36- were you in casey's home, June, 2008, when caylee drowned? no. end of questions. NEXT WITNESS - NATHAN LEZNIEWICZ - buzz cut, tan shirt 9:41:28 - Nathan Lezniewicz called to stand 94:2:33 - lived in Orlando, going to full sail university for audio engineering. attended for a year and half. attained no degree. currently in band in Vero Beach, also played in bands while attending full sail. 9:43:40 - first started living with Tony Lazarro at end of May 2008. slept on couch, planned on staying for about a month once lease ended 9:44:30 - school schedule for month of June was 9-5. no work outside of school at time. left town a lot. 9:45:08 - how did you first meet Casey Anthony? the drummer of my band, Daniel Howard, had a birthday party which is where Tony and Casey first met. She seemed like a normal 22 year old girl. She was outgoing. 9:46:04 - where did you first meet Caylee? at my apartment 9:46:39 - did she ever spend the night? did casey or caylee ever spend the night? no sir. did there ever come a time she stayed every day? when? third and fourth week of june her staying over picked up quite a bit. 9:47:25 - did she every tell you about her employment? she said she was employed at universal. did you ever see ID badge? no sir. did she ever talk about her work? once in a while. The only thing she talkd about a batman premiere. 9:48:30 - did she ever complain about her work? no sir 9:48:45 - while you were getting ready for school, was she getting ready for work? she was getting ready also and I assumed that's where she was going. 9:49:22- did you spend time alone with her? yes sir. what did you do? hang out, watch tv. was Tony's other roommate, from Ft. Pierce, was in a band, travelled a 9:45:18 - first met casey when drummer in his band had a bday party. Casey was there. That's where tony met her. 9:45:44 - she seemed like a normal girl 9:51:10 - typically she was with the nanny, out doing things. was there anything about casey's demeanor that made you qeustion what she was telling you? no sir. 9:51:50- did she tell you about her parents? not much. when she had a conversation with her parents, she'd leave the apartment because she didn't want us to hear them. did you ever hear here speaking to her daughter? no sir. the nanny? no sir. 9:52:53- did you ever get near car? no sir. did she tell you she was having car trouble? just one morning when she broke down near the amscot. 9:53:40 - what did she do while in the apartment? did she cook? yes. did she clean? yes. did she do the laundry? no, not mine. where did you socialize? fusion nightclub, mostly friday evenings. were there any things going on friday nights? 9:54:44 - how many times were you at fusion with casey? two or three times maybe. 9:56:20 - pic of casey with NATHAN 9:56:40- when you were at fusion did she participate in a contest? yes. what was that contest? a hot body contest. 9:57:30- where was that photo taken? at fusion. was this during June, 2008? yes sir. BAEZ ASKS FOR SIDEBAR, JUDGE SAYS Not at this point. 9:58:16 - photo admitted into evidence. 9:58:34 - SIDEBAR AGAIN. 10:02:58 - JUDGE ALLOWS PHOTO TO BE PUBLISHED TO JURY 10:03:20 - she always seemed like she was having a good time. she's an outgoing personality. at any time she was living with you, did you ever see her distraught? no sir. depressed? no sir. scared? no sir. angry? no sir. did she ever tell you her daughter was missing? no sir. her daughter was kidnapped? no sir. did she ever ask for help in trying to find her? no sir. 10:05:03 - during this time period, was there anything about her demeanor that gave you concern? no sir. when there was a knock on the door, there was a blond girl there I didn't recognize. casey stepped outside and closed the door. she came back inside with her mother and amy huizinga. did you see casey come back after she left with the blond gir? yes. what happened? she was in an argument with cindy and cindy told her to get her stuff and go. did she go outside? yes sir. did she come back? no. did you ever see her again? no. did you speak with her on the phone. no sir. 10:06:51 - we were confused. we didn't know what was going on. we thought it was just something between her, her mother and roommmate. 10:07:30 - lee felt bad for us and said his sister was known to get into trouble ...objection, sustained. 10:08:12- were you visited by law enforcement? yes. how many times? twice. 100900 - did law enforcement question you about amy? no. how long were they there? about five minutes, just enough to collect cell phone. 10:09:46 - what did police do the second time? they searched the apartment. how long where they there? maybe 20-25 minutes. did they take items with them? I do not recall. 10:10:15 =- did you see any clothing belonging to caylee? no sir. any stuffed animals? no sir. NO FURTHER QUESTIONS CROSS EXAMINATION 10:11:12 - you saw caylee how many times? two to three. did she look hungry? no. well fed? yes. did casey seem attentive? yes. 10:12:10 - looking back at casey's behavior, there was no indication that caylee was dead? no sir. there was no signs in any way shape or form? no sir. 10:13:07 - she didn't park 50 yards away where no other cars were parked? no sir. I have no further questions. 10:13:30 - were you present on june 2008 when caylee drowned in the pool? no sir. SIR YOU MAY STAND DOWN. BREAK Late Morning Session TESTIMONY RESUMES AT 10:36:09 STATE CALLS ROY HAUSE GOES BY CLINT - short dark hair, blue button down. 10:39:04 - where do you live? jacksonville, sir. was there a time you lived in orlando? yes sir. when? 2007-2009. what were you studying there? recording arts to engineer and produce music. how long were you there? 10 months. did you get a degree? no. 10:39:56 - where did you live? with tony and cam. what time period in 2008? I was only there a few months. I moved in the end of April and moved out June, 2008. 10:40:43- do you recall during that time period you were at school? I'd be there from 1am to 5am, sometimes 1pm to 5pm. 10:41:20 - did you meet casey? yes I did. do you recall where? tony and I met her at a party. 10:41:56 - she seemed like a fun party girl who'd get along with our group of friends. 10:42:30 - did you ever meet caylee? yes. where? at the sutton place apartments. how many times? four or five times. did caylee ever stayed over? no she never stayed over? did there come a times casey started staying full time? yes. when? middle of June she started spending most of the nights there. did you mind? no, not at all? was this a big apartment? no, we were all kind of crammed in there. 10:43:55 - did casey ever tell you about her employment? she said she worked at universal. did you ever see credentials? no. did she complain about it? no. 10:44:41 - she didn't talk about her work all that much. 10:44:55- when she started staying full time, did you ever see caylee? when she started aying on regular basis we stopped seeing caylee. did you ask her about caylee? yes. she said she was with the nanny. did she indicate nanny was local? yes. did she indicate caylee was anywhere but orlando? no. did it seem odd child was always with nanny. objection. did you question her about where caylee was? i asked her where caylee was and she said she was with the nanny. was there any concern in her voice? no. did she appear worried about where caylee was? no. did she seem sad about not seeing her? her demeanor never changed. 10:47:10 - did you also had a laptop? yes. did casey have a laptop? yes. what kind? hp. did you ever use her computer? no. did she ever use yours? no. did she ever use anyone's but her own? no. while she was staying with you, were you ever present when she spoke on the phone? yes. to whom was she speaking? she'd always walk outside and was either on phone with nanny or her mother. was there any change in her demeanor? no. did she appear nervous? no sir. scared? no sir. 10:48:52- did you see her on daily basis at this time? yes. where did you recall going with her? every friday night we had our own promotional night at fusion and she'd come every friday. she'd try to help us bring people out. when you say she helped bring people out, what do you mean? because she was tony's girlfriend, she'd tell her friends to come out using facebook, myspace, texts. 10:50:29 - none of her friends ever came. 10:50:40 - did casey participate in those events? yes. what role did she play? she was in a couple contests I hosted. she was in a hot body contest, she would mingle with the crowd. 10:51:40 - did casey have anything to do with selecting shot girls? no. did she have anything to do with how they dressed? she'd give them some tidbits but I was telling the girls what they needed to wear. she would say maybe they should wear these shorts with this shot. 10:52:55- do you know a woman by the name of marie kish? yes. did she attend any of the nights at fusion? yes she did. DEFENSE CONFERS, NOW A SIDEBAR. 10:59:50 - SHOT OF GEORGE AND CINDY IN COURTROOM. 11:04:00 - testimony resumes 11:04:11 - what was her demeanor at fusion? she was partying and having a good time. did she seem upset about anything? no. did she seem happy? yes. 11:04:58 - they both seemed happy with each other. she'd come over and cook dinner for everybody. tony seemed happy and so did she. did you see casey and tony fight? no. did you ever notice casey sad? no. angry? no. depressed? no. withdrawn? no. she was still same. 11:06:08 - were you home July 15? no, I moved out. moved out two weeks before that. 11:07:20 - did you have any further contact with casey? no. did she ever tell you her daughter was kidnapped? no. was she worried about her? no. she needed help? no. NO FURTHER QUESTIONS 11:08:36 - the extent you know casey is a month and a half? yes. and you saw caylee how many times? four or five times. did she have backpack? yes. she would have toys, flashcards with shaped and colors. what other learning tools did you see casey teach caylee. never saw any other learning tools. she did have some dvds she brought over. in this bag you'd see diapers, other snacks? yes sir. did you see caylee malnourished? no sir. neglected? no sir. see casey strike caylee? no sir. treat caylee as a burden? no. would you say she was a good mother? yes I would. 11:10:55 - did you ever seen them go out to the pool? no. were you aware that tony lazarro casey and caylee went to pool on june 2nd? yes. who else was there? no one but them. 11:1:44- you weren't keeping a close eye on casey's computer at any time? no sir. 11:13:30- discussion about fusion, what it is, sushi bar, etc. 11:14:17 - this business with shot girls, that's part of your ambiance? yes. casey wasn't a shot girl, was she? no sir. she volunteered to manage these girls? she wasn't managing anybody. that was me and tony. this was while she was staying with you, rent free? yes. part of pulling her weight helping you financially? yes. cooking? yes. cleaning? yes. trash? no, that was us guys. 11:16:00- casey was a friendly girl? yes. she cared about people? yes. she cared about you? yes. you saw her caring for her child? yes. you found out caylee was dead during that time period? yes, i have. you noticed no change in her behavior from the time period she was a loving and caring mother up until the time caylee was deceased? never saw one change in her. 11:17:00 WITNESS EXCUSED 11:18:30 - MARIA KISSH - LONG DARK HAIR, GRAY BLAZER, BLUE BLOUSE. 11:19:20 - she describes who she is, her job in retail sales, educational background at UF, majored in political science, 2007. employed in 2008. working for man running for county office. paying job. had position in may, june 2008. 11:22:00 - I was introduced through clint. had you already known tony? yes. had you known nathan? yes. you knew all these people but casey was a new person you met? yes. did you meet her daughter? no. at some point did you meet caylee? yes. where? at tony's apartment. what do you recall about meeting her? caylee answered the door by herself. had you seen her before? no sir. did you ask her who she was? I knew who she was and said hi, how are you. when you walking in did you see casey? no. at some point did you see her? I did. where from? tony's room. how much time did you spend with caylee? not long, a half hour. 11:24:20 - was casey anywhere around? I saw her come out of the room for a minute and then she went back into tony's room. 11:24:55 - I ended up sitting on balcony and caylee was out there as well. clint got me and said he was ready to go. I felt uncomfortable. why? I didn't want to leave caylee alone. was it (balcony) screened? yes, it was. OBJECTION. APPROACH. 11:26:27 - SHOT OF GEORGE ANTHONY 11:28:30 - SHOT OF CASEY TALKING WITH FEMALE ATTORNEY 11:30:14 - SHOT OF EVIDENCE, FILES, FILE BOXES 11:33:10 - testimony continues 11:33:23 - right around that time, tony caylee and casey were going to leave as well. so casey and tony came out and casey told caylee to get her shoes on because it was time to leave. that was about it. I saw caylee struggling to put on her shoes and socks so i helped her put on her shoes. was caylee verbal with you? yes. she was. was the plan for all of you to go out together? no. 11:35:10 - after that visit, did you see caylee again? yes sir. how often were you at your boyfriend's? 2 to 3 times a week. did you stay the night? a couple times. when you were there, did you recall a time casey was there? I do. all the time? yes. how did you become aware of that. I talked to clint and he would tell me casey's been there all day. OBJECTION. sustained. 11:36:22- was the defendant there? yes. when you stayed for dinner was she there? yes. how would you describe relationship with casey? we saw each other several times because tony and clint would be together. we didn't have a friendship but it was an acquaintance. 11:37:18 - she said she worked for univeral as an event planner. any other details? no sir. ever tell you her hours? not that i can remember. ever see any ID from universal? no sir. did you question if she workd at universal? no sir. 11:38:10 - spend time with casey outside apartment? yes. what kinds of things? going out at night to bar or club and grabbing a bite to eat. did you see casey and tony together? yes. what were your observations on them as couple? OBJECTION, opinion, overruled. 11:39:08 - They got along well, it seemd to be beneficial for tony. did they appear to like each other? I believe so. 11:39:40 - did you ever see them argue? no. do you know what fusion is? yes. what is it? restaurant slash night club. were you at fusion with boyfriend and casey? yes sir. how many times? one time. 11:40:30 - I went to fusion with casey on June 20th. how do you remember? it was a friday and there was a hot body contest that night. 11:41:10 - what do you recall about hot body contest. objection. sustained. did you witness it? yes sir. did defendant participate? yes sir. what was defendant wearing during contest? she was wearing thin knit dress, blueish color. 11:42:34 - pic of casey and nathan 11:43:00 - based on outfit she appears to be wearing, is this an accurate representation of what she was wearing on june 20, 2008. yes. did you participate? no sir. PIC REPUBLISHED TO JURY 11:44:00 - do you recall any role other than being in hot body contest? yes. what was her role? she was in charge of the shot girls. did you see her interacting with them? i did. did you hear her telling them what they were supposed to do? i did. did you hear her discussing their attire? i can't remember. was there anyting about casey's demeanor that alarmed you? no. did she appear angry or upset? no sir. 11:45:20 - where did you stay that night? at the apartment. did you see casey next morning? yes, in kitchen in the morning. did you have a discussion? yes. I asked her where caylee was. she said she was spending weekend at the beach with the nanny. did she give you nanny's name? no. she told me she paid the nanny 400 dollars a week. 11:46:40 - did you ask casey about caylee's dad? APPROACH OBJECTION OVERRULED 11:48:40- what did casey tell you about caylee's dad? she told me he was deceased. 11:49:20 - what did she tell you her living situation was? that she was going to move into her parent's house and they were giving the house to her and caylee. when? didn't give an exact time, within the next couple of months. did casey ever tell you her daughter was missing? no. kidnapped? no. out looking for her? no. asked for help? no. 11:50:15 - did you ride in her car? yes. when? can't remember exact date. it was while she was staying with them, cling and tony. when you were in the car, who were you with? I was with casey, tony and clint. THANK YOU. CROSS EXAMINATION. 11:51;10 - where did you go in the car? to get something to eat. when you sat in back seat did you smell odor? no sir. clint was in backseat? yes. did he say anything? no sir. did tony say anything? no sir. 11:52:30 - you didn't like her being at house? it didn't bother me. your boyfriend lived at house? correct. and casey was at the same house? correct. it struck you odd she was there all the time? yes sir. you would call your boyfriend when she was there? yes. that didn't bother you? no, it never bothered me at all. END OF QUESTIONING around 11:50am Early Afternoon Session 13:14:12 - defense claims the testimony to the shovel is not relevant. says the shovel is misleading, not related nor tied to the offense. we present motion to exclude mention of shovel 13:16:36 - DENIED - just because you're not contesting does not alleviate state's obligation to prove something. anything else before we bring jury back in. BAEZ - objects again. 13:17:34 - discussion of audio problems. 13:20:11 - JURY RETURNS 13:21:15 STATE CALLS BRIAN BURNER - neighbor with shovel. heavy-set man with blue button down shirt, dark hair. 13:22:08 - do you know george and cindy? I do. how do you know them? neighbors. They are your next door neighbors? correct. when did you move into your home? 2005. when you moved in where the anthonys already living there? yes. was casey living there? yes. Lee? I don't recall. how would you describe your relationship with the anthonys? cordial neighbors. did they go to your house for dinner? no. you to theirs? no. 13:24:04 - are any of your children friends with casey or lee? no. 13:24:20 - week of june 16, 2008. were you in your home at that time? yes. did you take a vacation? I did. June 2008? yes. when did you return home? evening of the 16th. you were home on June 17th? yes. did you see casey? I saw casey's vehicle. it was backing into the garage. had you seen casey drive that car before? yes. did anyone else drive it during this time period? no. 12:26:00 - was car into garage or driveway? into the garage. I could see the front end of garage from our window. Did that seem strange? no. have you seen the car backed into the driveway before? not until that day. do you know how long car was there? no. were you home on the 18th? i was doing yardwork outside. was anyone else outside? no. 13:27:15 - did you see casey? she approached me later in the afternoon? when? around 1:30. why did she approach you? she said she wanted to borrow a shovel to dig up a bamboo root. 13:28:20 - pic of shovel 13:28:30 - is that the shovel you lent to casey? yes. OBJECTION OVERRULED AND IT WILL BE RECEIVED INTO EVIDENCE. 13:29:38 - did you see where she came from? no. had she ever asked to borrow anything before? no. did you have a problem with it? no. I walked around to the shed and gave her the shovel. 13:30:29 - did you see her walking into her home? only into the garage. 13:31:00 - while you were cleaning up did you see casey? no. I put equipment in shed then to see if casey was finished. I then went back into the house. I told my son casey borrowed the shovel and if she knocked on the door to take the shovel from her. 13:31:48 - did you get your shovel back? I did. she knocked on the door an hour after I gave her the shovel. did you notice anything different? no. what did you do? I opened garage door and set it in the garage. did you see defendant leave? no. did you see her white car? where? it was back into the garage. 13:32:50 - did you see casey car again that week? one other time. When? either 19 or 20th. 13:33:45 - did you see car pull into the driveway? the car backed in. did you see anything else? no. do you know how long car stayed there? no. 13:34:25 - other than those three instances in June 2008, did you have contact with casey? no. did you have contact with george? one time ...in July. 13:34:55 - when police arrived, did you go outside? no. did you talk to george? no. Cindy? no. when you saw casey on June 18, 2008, did she tell you her daughter was missing? no. kidnapped? no. that she was looking for her? no. did she tell you anything was wrong with her daughter? no. was she upset? no. sad? no. angry? no. just normal. 13:36:40 - THANK YOU SIR. CROSS EXAMINATION 13:37:03 - you fist gave a statement to law enforce. on July 17, 2008, right when media attention began? yes. you saw police cars next door on the 16th? I believe so. do you recall you gave a statement July 17? it was a Thursday. 13:38:10 - when you spoke with them, you told them you didn't know the date casey had borrowed the shovel but knew it was the week of the 16th? correct. you were called into sheriff's on June 30th? yes. you met with corporal edwards? yes. you then spoke with him a while? correct. that's when you started giving them dates? yes. do you recall if edwards asked you to close your eyes to remember because this was important? yes. did edwards tell you that as time passes you start to remember things. would you agree? to some extent. after you closed your eyes, that's when the dates became clear? no. that's when you told him the dates? no. you're saying as time passed you could recall the dates? correct. 12:41:00 - you wouldn't make it a habit to see how she parked her car? no. you're just the average neighbor? yes. you wouldn't consider yourself a nosy neighbor? no. you wouldn't notice how she parks her car every day? correct. 13:41:50 - when she gave you shovel back it wasn't muddy? no. she didn't look sweaty or digging a ditch? not that I recall. 13:42:30 - you can't offer us anything more than speculation about what she did with shovel? yes. NO FURTHER QUESTIONS REDIRECT 13:43:20 - do you recall telling him you saw a pickup? yes, wasn't sure of the vehicle. what do you recall about the incident? that was the monday the gas cans were taken. I looked out window and saw casey and thought nothing of it. 13:44:00 - where did you see casey? in the driveway. could you hear them speaking? no. there was casey and a man? correct. 13:44:33 - do you recall any other car in driveway? no. in garage? no. 13:45:27 - did you see casey drive away? no. did you hear any noises? no. 13:46:00 - was the white car there? no. RECROSS EXAMINATION 13:46:35 - when you started talking about them it was a month later after they occurred? correct. it's tough to recall everything a month prior? correct. no one told you on that day you should be looking for a certain car? correct. 13:48:35 - the anthony family home would be towards the right? correct. 13:49:03 - the date ...CAN I HAVE JUST A MOMENT? 13:49:35 - you didn't see the male? I saw casey and I saw the male first. any time you saw cars, you never saw anyone driving them? no. any time you saw casey's car you didn't see who was driving? correct. this shovel was then turned into fbi? I believe so. after you made that statement, there were media trucks outside your home? yes. for how long? months. STATE OBJECTS TO RELEVANCE. sustained 13:51:15 - you told mr george casey seemed normal? correct. WITHDRAWN WITNESS EXCUSED. RECESS ? 13:55:55 - shots of EVIDENCE BAGS 13:57:05 - MORE SHOTS OF EVIDENCE BAGS Late Afternoon Session 14:06:58 - testimony resumes JAMIE REALANDER - DARK, RED HAIR, BEIGE SWEATER, RED/ORANGE TOP 14:09:10 - detailing where she went to school and where she was working, rosen hotels, working with golf club at shingle creek. 14:10:11 - how did you first meet casey? I met her through a friend at fusion night club. 14:10:40 - who introduced you to casey? I believe it was my friend jenna prentice. who is she? just a friend at the time. was she an employee at fusion? not at that time? how was casey's demeanor? she was happy, seemd like a nice person to be friends with. was this may 2008? yes. was anything odd or out of place? no. 14:11:53- were you employed at some point at fusion? yes. as what? a shot girl. 14;13:10- directing your attention to june 20, 2008, were you a shot girl? no. june 13th? no. june 27th? yes. did you see casey? yes. what was your understanding of her role? she was the one we'd go to with questions. questions such as? where to be stationed, where to go for information. 14:14:15 - did you attend fusion on June 20, not as a shot girl? yes. do you recall a hot body contest? yes. 14:53:52 - do you see photo on monitor? yes. do you recognize yourself? yes. circle where you are. 14:15:19 - pic at FUSION. do you recognize casey? yes. what is she wearing? a blue dress. 14:15:45 - he circles her dress/pic 14:16:00 - anything out of the ordinary you recall from conversations with casey? no. 14:16:25 - is this pic a fair representation of what you and casey looked like on june 20, 2008? yes. You recognize this to be fusion night club? yes. PIC ADMITTED INTO EVIDECE. BAEZ OBJECTS. OBJECTION OVERRULED. PIC MAY BE PUBLISHED 14:17:30 - was she (casey) upset? no. crying? no. objection, overruled. 14:18:30 - were you talked to about what to wear? I don't know if it was by casey. and when you came to work as a shot girl on the 27th of June, casey more or less passed on what you were wearing? yes. did she give you any tips on what to wear? not directly to me. 14:19:40 -was there ever a problem that occurred? yes. tell us. there was large group of people and someone tried to grab one of the shot girls, scratching her. what did casey do? for our safety, she had us leave for the night. we spoke to her on July 15th. was this conversation in person? over the phone. prior to this conversation, were you aware she jad a daughter? no. did you know if she was in a relationship? yes. with who? anthony lazarro. 14:21:00 - we had a conversation about what she'd be diong that day. she went to her job at universal then pick up her daughter casey (on july 15th). 14:21:45 - did she call her daughter by name? no. did she tell you antying about her daughter? that her birthday was the next month and that I was invited to her birthday party? that you were invited? yes. did you see casey outside fusion? no. any subsequent phone calls? not to my knowledge? ever receive text? yes. the one I remember was the day after her mother reported her missing to cops. CROSS EXAMINATION 14:23:50 - did anything happen that had to do with caylee? no. no one saw her? no. did anything happen that night that had to do with her death? no. 14:24:45 - the casey you knew was a nice person? yes. she treated you with respect? yes. she looked out for you and the other girls? yes. was she considered a big sister? yes. she always made sure we were ok and weren't in harms way at all. 14:25:35 - casey was somewhat of a protector? yes. 14:26:00 - you have no information that helps this jury decide what happened june 16th? no. REDIRECT 14:26:30 - did she tell you her daughter was missing? no, kidnapped? no. needed help? no. did she give you any indication something was wrong? no. ERICA GONZALEZ - DARK LONG BLACK HAIR, BLACK SWEATER/BLAZER 14:29:00 - detailing work history, full time mom, education, location, working at fusion night club, shot girl. 14:30:00 - was that a nightly occurrence? it was once every friday. did you work every friday in june 2008? I believe so. OBJECTION, OVERRULED. 14:30:35- did you come into contact with casey? I did. was this at fusion? it was. did you know her beforehand? I did not. how did you meet? I met her through one of the girls at the night club. 14:31:15 - did you have the opportunity to speak with her? when I was a shot girl I spoke to her many times. 14:31:40 - she was kind of like our manager. we'd tell her what we were wearing and if anything happened, she'd protect us. 14:32:30 - did casey ever tell you what to wear? no. ever make suggestions? no. did you ever speak to casey about things outside fusion? 14:33:16 - from speaking with her did you know where she was living? no. 14:33:44 - do you know ms. realander? I do. did an incident happen that you brought to 14:34:00 - did you know she had a child? yes. how? we were in the bathroom one day and she mentioned her daughter. she was taking care of us and explained she had a daughter. did she tell you anything about her? no. how old? no. her name? no. she was missing? NO. kidnapped? no. actively looking for her? no. anything wrong with her daughter? no. anything going on with her? no. ever see anything in her behavior that would lead you to believe anything was wrong? absolutely not. THANK YOU. CROSS EXAMINATION BACK TO PROSECUTION 14:36:25 - we were talking about dinner with all the shot girls. what else? she was going to call me back so we could meet up. she never called back. said she was heading to airport to pick someone up. did she say who? no. did you learn casey's daughter was missing? yes. what did you do? I heard that night I talked to her. I texted her the next day that if she needed anything let me know. I made flyers for my job. did you get response? she said thank you and that she was worried about caylee. did she say when she saw caylee last? with the nanny. 14:38:45 - did you have any understanding that there was anyone else in car with her? I don't recall. do you recall what your phone number was? yes. may I have it? 321-439-4577. CROSS EXAMINATION 14:40:00 - you stated casey was kind to you? she was. she was nice to you? yes. she looked out for all of you? she did. she talked about her daughter in bathroom? yes. did you see casey drink or get drunk? no. do you have any info as to what may have happened to caylee? as far as? how she died. no. WITNESS EXCUSED. RECESS AT 14:41:50 Late Afternoon Session WITNESS ANTHONY LAZZARO - short dark hair, white shirt, black tie 15:09:40 - when you moved into sutton place who did you live with? cameron. just the two of you for awhile? yes. two of my friends slept on the couch. one was roy house and nathan. did they pay any rent? no, it was just a friendly gesture. 15:10:45 - talks about full sail, college schedule, school open 24-7. 15:11:20 - what was your schedule may june 2008? it wasn't consistent. morning class 9-1 then sometimes an evening lab. 15::12:09- did you receive a computer? yes, macbook pro. as part of your education did you take it upon yourself to put on either shows or do some sort of events? they wanted you to get involved with the other kids because these could be people you'd work with in the music industry. 15:13:00- during may, june 2008, did you try to set up a small business? yes. what did you do? i had experience deejaying. me and clint started our own company doing promotion. did it have a name? we had a bunch of names but it became DBC entertainment. 15:14:15 -when did you start working as deejay? we went to fusion. we met with the owner. we said hey we're deejays, we have experience, if you're interested we could do a party on a friday night. that's basically how that started. 15:15:08 - that started in june. at the same time you were taking classes? yes sir. did you own a car this time period? yes. what kind? 97 jeep grand cherokee. 15:15:50 - may 2008, did there come a time you came in contact with casey? yes sir? how did that start? I met her on facebook, we became friends. I found her through facebook, it shows people in your area, so i sent her a friend request. did she respond immediately? I don't know. 15:17:10 - first time we met in person was at my friend's birthday. his name was dan howard. this was the same time I was starting deejay company around the end of May. I was inviting a ton of people and made it a facebook event. That's when she got back to me to go to the party. 15:18:15 - while you were talking did you learn she had a child? I believe so? did you know her name? I can't recall? do you know how old she was? a toddler 15:18:48 - what were your first impressions? pretty girl. she showed up with bunch of friends. we hit it off. 15:19:20 - did you make plans to see her again? Not that night but shortly after. 15:19:45 - she would come over and show up to my apartment. how often? a couple of times. a week? more or less a couple times a week. 15:20:15- did she bring her daughter? yes. did you two stay at apt. or go out? we went to the pool. she brought her daughter over and we went down by the pool. at your apt. complex? yes sir. do you remember when? I'd say June 2nd. 15:21:06 - do you know what arden villas is? That's not ringing a bell. did you invite her to another party? I remember inviting her to a pool party. did she attend? yes. bring anyone? no. 15:22:00 - aware of her car? yes. what was she driving? white pontiac. on june 4th 2008, did you attend party for troy brown? yes. who went? me, clint and maria. when you went to that party where was it? club voyage. when you went there on the 4th of june, who drove? casey did. what car did you take? her car. was it during this time you first met caylee? yes. did you see her in any other context? yes, when we went to mall of millenia. it was a friday afternoon, I'd say the 13th. 15:24:30 - went to mall to hand out flyers for event. when you did that, was casey with you? no. did she go to mall with you? yes. she and caylee walked around the mall. did you meet up again? yes. we went to cheesecake factory and had a late lunch. how did you get to mall? I believe it was in her car. 15:25:30 - did caylee ever spend the night at your apartment? no sir. 15:25:50 - when casey dropped you off at the apartment, was that the last time you saw caylee? yes sir. 15:26:30- did you go to fusion june 13, 2008. yes sir. did casey attend? yes sir. who hires the shot girls? it was between me and clint and the other two promoters. who would instruct the shot girls? it came down to the owner. 15:27:59 - casey wanted to help out so we said you could tell the shot girls what they needed to know. did she tell them what to wear? I don't recall. 15:28:40 - she had a job at universal studios? did she tell you what she did? something with events. did she ever give you details about the job? throughout the relationship she'd talk abuot specific people. I recall a Jeff, other girls names. did she complain about the job? I can't remember specifics. She might have. see her with ID? she'd walk in apt. with universal badge. did it have pic on it? yes. 15:30;15 - her babysitter and her mother (were taking care of caylee while casey was at work). did she talk to you about the babysitter's name? at that point, zani. this was at begining of relationship? yes. tell you where zani lived? no. any relatives? no. cared for any other kids? no. ever discuss what she paid zani? I don't remember. did she ever tell you when the nanny would take care of her and when her mother would take care of her? it would be either or. 15:32:06 COUNSEL APPROACHES BENCH 10 MINUTE RECESS. 15:40:18 - testimony resumes. 15:42:17- pic of tony and casey. 15:42:30 - was that pic taken in june, 2008? yes sir. can you tell when it was taken? it'd have to be early june when I began promoting ....is that accurate representation of what you both looked like on June 13, 2008? yes sir. 15:43:43 - SIDEBAR shot of george and cindy at 15:46:10 15:48:20 - OBJECTION NOTED AND OVERRULED 15:48:41 - PIC IS PUBLISHED TO THE JURY 15:49:15 - after this showcase, did casey return to your apt? yes. did she stay over? yes. was this the first time she stayed over? I believe so yes, definitely. did there come a time after june 13 that casey began spending more time with you? yes. mid to late june. did she spend every night? yes. 15:50:45 - did you see defendant that day (June 16)? yes. what time? anywhere after 6:30-7. do you recall going to blockbuster? yes. with casey? yes. 15:51:45 - JUDGGE READS: copy of video surveillance at blockbuster are true and accurate represenation. parties have agreed to this fact. should be considered true in your deliberations. you may proceed. 15:52:40 - move DVD of video into evidence. 15:53:30- video published to jury 15:53:39 - shots of video surveillance at blockbuster being shown in court 15:54:30 - did you recognize yourself? yes, that's the marbury jersey. you have your arms around someone? who? casey. this is on june 16, 2008? yes sir. how would you describe her demeanor? the way she was every day. which was? happy ..happy to see me, having a grand old time. did she ever cry? no. act scared? no. nervous? tell you that dauther was missing? no. something wrong with her? no. something happeend to her? no. attitude any different than previous times you had seen her? no.did she stay over that night? yes sir. from there on did she stay with you? yes. 15:56:51- any toiletries for caylee? no. do you recall her talking to caylee on phone? not taht I recall. her parents? any time she talked on phone she went outside. on this night, did she call anyone? no. on june 16th,this was a new relationship? yes. did you care for her? yes. it was going well? yes. any fights? no. disagreements? no. She stayed that night, correct? yes. the following day did you spend with her? yes, I played hookey. why? didn't feel like leaving my home. you spent you day with Casey? yes. what was your phone number? i've changed it so many times, I can't remember. It was an ATT. 15:59:20 - on june 17th you play hookey? yes. what did you do? stayed in my room. any change in casey's behavior? no. did she give you any indication anything wrong? no. say antying about her daughter? no. do you recall if she ever called anyone in your presence? not in my presence. you spend the entire day and night with her june 17? yes sir. how about june 18? I went to class. what was casey doing? going to work, going to see caylee, wherever she had to go. did she tell you where she'd go? no. you understood she had a job? yes. 16:01:25 - on june 19 did you go looking for apt? yes. did you go with casey? yes. 16:01:58 -who were you planning on living with? nathan and brian. did you bring defendant? yes. did you both look at it? no. she didn't have ID on her. during this time period, where was casey living? she was living at home, she was always talking about taking the anthony's home because they were going to move out. 16:03:37 - the defendant was goin gto live with amy, either in another home or apt? yes. did she say anything about her dad? not at that time? her mother? not that I can recall at that time. Right now everything's pretty good? yes sir. 16:04:15 - by the 18th of june were you sharing any of your secrets? not that I recall. June 20th, did you go to fusion again? yes sir. another hip hop showcase? did casey go with you? yes sir. did anything different happen? yes, there was a hot body contest. promoted beforehand? I can't recall but it was a last minute decision. when you got there, were there enough to have a contest? more or less. At some point did casey particpate? yes. who asked her to participate? I wasn't present. she told me about it. any objections to it? I can't recall, I maybe hestitated for a second. 16:06:45 - since this is your showcase, what is your role? my role is to make sure nothing got out of hand. that was basically it. 16:07:55 - do you recognize that photo? yes. what is it? the hot body contest? do you recogize casey? yes. what is she wearing? a blue dress. you were present while this was going on? yes. a fair and accurate representation of contest? yes sir. MOVE INTO EVIDENCE. BAEZ OBJECTS. OVERRULED. RECEIVED INTO EVIDENCE. PUBLISHED TO JURY. 16:10:00 - any diffrence in casey's behavior? no sir. any time did she tell you caylee is missing? no sir. kidnapped? no sir. actively looking for her? no sir. ask you for help? no. she needed help? something had happened to her? no. 16:11:22- was showcase a success? yes. defendant came home with you? yes sir. June 23rd, was there a time casey told you she had run out of gas? yes sir. what time? mid to late afternoon. where you in class? I was at home. what did she tell you? she ran out of gas and needed to be picked up. did she sound scared? no. frantic? no. worried? no. I went to where she was an picked her up. 16:13:16 - did you talk to her on phone while going to meet her? yes. did she have anything with her? a backpack. had you seen it before? I can't remember. where did you go? she said she had gas at her house. had you been to her house? no. did she direct you? yes. Parked in driveway. where there any cars in driveway? no. where did you go? to her backyard. did you go into garage? yes. how did you get in? she opened it. 16:14:38 - when door opened, any cars in garage? no. did you go in anthony home? we went to back yard. did you recall being inside home? I don't recall. you went to side of house? we went to the shed. we had to open it. that;s where gas cans werre. we broke lock with tire iron from my truck. were you concerned? yes. she said it's ok it's my shed. 16:16:08 - did you break the lock? yes. how many gas cans did you take? two. what did you do with them? put them in the truck and she directed me to her car. who put gas into car? casey did. after, what did she do with cans? she put them in trunk. what kind of car? white pontiac. when she opened the trunk could you see inside? no. where did you go? back to my apt. did casey express concern with breaking into shed? no. did her mood change? no. was she ok? yes. 16:18:04 - what happened when she took a phone call? she'd go outside. 16:18:25 - did you find it odd she'd leave every time she took a phone call? yes and no. i thought it'd be a private matter with her mom. was there a change in mood? no. ever give you any details? no. did casey ever say to you I'm going to call the babysitter? yes. did she dial a phone? she'd grab phone and go outside. did she tell you about arguments with mom? I don't remember anything specific. did her mood change after talking with mom? no, not drastically. did she give you details? no, it wasn't my business. 16:20:20 - did she give you any indication about home life? after I got back from NY. Gone June 30 to 5th july. 16:21:25 - did she tell you where she was? at an amscot. where? end of goldenrod road. did you pick her up? yes. did yo get out of car? no. was she in car? outside of car. did she have anything in her hands? bags or groceries. what did she have? groceries. when she got in car, did she have anger about running out of gas? she said the car broke down and my father will look at it. 16:23:10 - what did casey say when you offered help? that her father would take care of it. after you picked her up did you go to apt.? yes. drop off groceries? yes. did you go to fashion square mall later that day? yes. 16:24:20 - COPY OF VIDEO SURVEILLANCE FROM JC PENNEY. SUBMITTED INTO EVIDENCE. PUBLISHED TO JURY. 16:25:50 - VIDEO SHOWN TO JURY AND IN COURT 16:27:17 - do you recognize yourself? yes. how about casey is she there? yes. 16:27:55 - more shots of video 16:28:57 - I take it you drove to the mall? yes sir. did you ever see that car again? no. did you buy anything at the mall? did I personally? no. June 27, did you go to fusion again? yes. another showcase? yes. did casey go with you? yes sir. 16:29:57 - do you recognize that photo? yes. who is that? myself and casey anthony. when was it taken? june 27th. 16:30:57 - is this accurate representation of what you and casey looked like on june 27th? yes. BAEZ OBJECTS. OVERRULED. RECEIVED INTO EVIDENCE. 16:31:47 - on this night, was there any change in casey's demeanor? no sir. was she upset? no sir. angry? no sir. sad? no sir. her daughter was missing? no sir. kidnapped? no sir. she needed help? no sir. 16:32:45- what date did you leave for vacation? the 30th of june. how did you get to airport? casey drove me and cameron to the airport. how did you get to airport? in my jeep. did you drive? yes. what was the plan for the car? casey was supposed to drop it off at sutton place. 16:33:48 - did you agree to let her use your car? no. did you talk abuot the status of her car? yes. her dad was supposed to take is someplace ...mechanic or dealership. her father was taking care of it. 16:34:36 - is casey in this court? yes. what is she wearing? she's wearing a blue blouse. THANK YOU YOUR HONOR. WITNESS IS SUBJECT TO RECALL. CROSS EXAMINATION. 16:35:52 - you realize casey is standing trial on a death penalty case? yes. did she talk about murders she committed? no. did she borrow duct tape? no. get any weapons? no. what about the second photo. did she talk about murdering anyone? no. murdering caylee? no. any weapons? no. borrow any knives and guns? no. borrow anything she could use to commit a murder? no. what about JC Penny. buy any duct tape? no. plastic bags? no. weapons? no. 16:39:00 -you had no issues dating a girl with a child? no. you liked caylee? yes. did casey be attentive to caylee? yes. did she neglect her? no. go without food? no. wearing dirty clothes? no. most of interaction was that she was a good mother? yes. 16:40:03 - on june 2nd you went to pool? yes. did casey discipline caylee? not that I recall. Do you recall by the pool where she raised her voice? not by the pool. do you recall that at all? no. if i show you your statement on september 18, 2008, would that help? sure. 16:42:02 - tell jury what happened? she was going near pool, didn;t want her to go near pool. what did casey do? what any mother would do, stop her from getting near the pool. did caylee enjoy the pool? yes. you saw that? yes. 16:43:15 - there was a secret she shared, right? yes. OBJECT. sustained on heresay. SIDEBAR. 16:44:30 - OBJECTION SUSTAINED. 16:45:00 - you were cooperative with law enforcement? yes sir. the only people you talked to was law enforcement? yes sir. you wouldn't speak to defense? you cooperated with their every request? yes. you allowed them to tap your phone? yes. you wore a wire? yes. 16:46:00 - you never made any statements to media? no. you never sold any photos or made money off this case? no sir. 16:46:40 - the first time casey ran out of gas, you had to break into the shed? yes. Could she have broken in? she could have. 16:47:28 - at that point, you drove to her car? yes. did she say stay away from the car? no. was she blocking you in any way? no. did she tell you to stay away? no. when she poured the gas into tank, you were standing next to her? right. how far is trunk, a few feet away? more than two feet. 16:48:51 - after she poured gas can in, she opened trunk? no. at any time did you smell any stench in that car? no sir. but I wasn't in the car. 16;51:01 - do you recall if you saw lining of trunk? no sir. baez shows him statement from october 2008. 16:51:45 - when she opened trunk, you could see liner? yes. on the edge of the car. the second time she ran out of gas, she told you she ran out of gas? yes. I said broke down meaning she ran out of gas. on the 27th of june, you came because she ran out of gas? yes. I was just offering help in general. 16:53:10 - baez wants to introduce photo after talking about hardship for lazzaro to return to testify. 17:02:15 - you can't introduce those now. read the ID numbers into the record just so we know what you're talking about. 17:03:15 - when you went to pick up casey at amscot, her car was in a parking spot, right? it was cockeyed. it was at goldenrod? where goldenrod meets colonial. 17:04:38 - you can approach witness but don't expose it to jury 17:07:50 - WE WILL COME BACK TOMORROW. RECESS FOR THE EVENING.
STATE DEPARTMENT BRIEFING WITH MARK TONER
THE REGULAR STATE DEPARTMENT BRIEFING WITH MARK TONER FS31X71 Deputy State Department Spokesperson Mark Toner - Briefing TONER: Wow. What a happy surprise. (LAUGHTER) Matt's back, Brad's here and James. And you're here. Happy Monday, everyone. Seriously. Welcome to the State Department. Just a few things at the top. I couldn't resist, sorry. Great. Let's start with Nairobi, where today -- this morning, Secretary Kerry announced new U.S. government funding, rather, of nearly $29 million for the office of the United States -- United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees' efforts to focus on voluntary refugee return to Somalia. He also announced an additional $117 million for refugees and drought victims in Kenya and Somalia. He also announced nearly $138 million in U.S. humanitarian assistance to South Sudan, and that includes funds for food aid, safe drinking water and emergency health services to U.N. and NGO partners in South Sudan. Tomorrow, the secretary will be in Nigeria. We'll have more for you then. He also, of course, met with Kenyan President Uhuru Kenyatta, where they discussed Kenya's upcoming 2017 elections, regional security issues, the refugee situation in Kenya and the importance of adhering to international law and countering violent extremism. I do, just before I turn to your questions, want to note our sadness upon learning earlier today of the death of former -- the former president of Singapore, S.R. Nathan, earlier today. President Nathan was a life-long civil servant whose career spanned all five decades of the U.S.-Singapore relationship, including six years as Singapore's ambassador to the United States and 12 as its president. We extend our deepest condolences to the president -- to President Nathan's family and to the people of Singapore. And I'll start with you, Matt. QUESTION: Right. Thanks. I -- I heard I missed a lot last week, so I don't know -- really know where to begin. Apparently, your colleague had some fun up here on Thursday. TONER: Define fun. QUESTION: Well -- yeah... TONER: I'm just kidding. QUESTION: Perhaps not fun. Perhaps -- perhaps fun is not the right word for it, but... TONER: Go ahead. QUESTION: ... I'm sorry I missed it. Let's just start with Iran... TONER: Of course. QUESTION: ... and the apparent ending of the missions that they've been -- that Russia has been flying out of -- out of the west and the -- what appears to be some kind of anger or annoyance from the Iranian side with the Russians. One, are you sure -- and your (ph) contacts with the Russians as it related to the cease-fire talks and all that kind of thing that this -- that this is over, that this operation of them flying sorties from western Iran into Syria is over? Do you know? What do you make of the apparent Iranian annoyance that the Russians announced this? I'll start there. TONER: Well, honestly, Matt, and I know Secretary Kerry spoke briefly to this during his press avail earlier today, you know, it's -- I mean, I'd have to refer you, frankly, to the governments of Russia and Iran to speak to what happened. You know, we're monitoring it closely, we continue to. It's not clear to us, other than what we've seen in various press and public statements, whether their use of this air base has definitively stopped. But we'll continue to watch it closely.TONER: You know, to us, it's part of a larger picture that is alarming coming out of Syria, where we've seen continuing airstrikes in and around Aleppo. Whether they're coming from Russia's bases in Syria itself, whether they're coming from airbases it's using in Iran, or whether it's coming from other places, it's still only making what is already a difficult situation much worse. QUESTION: So -- OK, so there haven't been any conversations that you are aware of... TONER: Not that I'm aware of. He hasn't spoken with Lavrov today. QUESTION: He hasn't. But not even at the lower level, like the Geneva-type level, where... TONER: I'm not aware that we have (inaudible) one way or the other on what's going here. QUESTION: So -- I mean, I don't want to say -- I don't want to use the word "clueless," but... (LAUGHTER) TONER: But you just did. (LAUGHTER) QUESTION: Well, I said I didn't want to use it. But how would you assess your current understanding of this situation? TONER: So, Matt, I mean, look, a couple of points to make here. One is, you know, I'm not going to necessarily speak or address from this podium what we may know through intelligence channels. You know, I know our colleagues over at the Pentagon are obviously watching this very closely. I guess my major point here is, you know, while we noted its significance last week, it doesn't really change the calculus. We know that Iran is supporting the regime and working with Russia to do so. We're... QUESTION: So does that apply to also -- it has not changed -- you don't believe that these flights have changed the calculus on the ground and wherever it is that they're bombing in Syria? TONER: In terms of... QUESTION: In terms of the -- the state of play on the battlefield. TONER: Well, only, Matt, like I said, you know, the images coming out of Aleppo last week were, to put it mildly, heartbreaking. And you know, further strikes that are clearly not just hitting exclusively Nusra and ISIL targets, but are clearly hitting civilian targets as well, are not helpful. QUESTION: All right, last one... TONER: Sure. QUESTION: ... my last one on Iran-Russia, and that is, have you seen the reports that the Russians are now negotiating the sale of fighter planes with Iran? TONER: I have not, Matt. I'll take this question QUESTION: And then... TONER: Yes, go ahead. QUESTION: ... tied to that, is also did you guys ever decide of make a determination on the S-300, the system, and whether or not that was a destabilizing? TONER: I'm not aware if we have, Matt. QUESTION: It's been a while. TONER: I'm well aware that's it's been awhile. But I'm not aware we have. Let me take that as well. QUESTION: OK. QUESTION: Question on Pakistan... TONER: Let me get Arshad, and then I swear I'll go to you, Said. QUESTION: I'd like to deal with the judge's decision today with regard to the 14,900 additional documents... TONER: OK. QUESTION: ... that the State Department has been ordered to appraise (inaudible), and then to attend a hearing in a month, when you're going to get a schedule for their production. So question one is, do you believe that you will be able to appraise all of the documents within the month that the court has given you? Question two is, do you have any estimate of how quickly you will be able to review, and if necessary redact, the documents so that they can be publicly released? TONER: So, just to confirm, because we've had a lot of incoming on this this morning, as you can imagine, so we can confirm that the FBI material that was handed over to us includes approximately 14,900 documents, reflecting both non-record -- which is a bureaucratic way to say personal -- and record materials -- which is a bureaucratic way to say work related -- that will, as you noted, have to be appraised now by our folks here at the State Department.TONER: What I can say at this point in time is that there will be a status conference with the court on September 23 that will discuss the production schedule. And as I -- I think I noted last week, we've already committed -- excuse me -- voluntary -- voluntarily agreed, in fact, to produce to Judicial Watch any e-mails sent or received by Secretary Clinton in her official capacity. And that includes -- within -- rather than -- within the material rather that was turned over by the FBI and which were not already processed by -- through our FOIA process. So, your question was how soon do you think we can conduct the appraisal? QUESTION: (OFF-MIKE) TONER: Yeah, so I think the -- the -- the intent is -- sorry, I didn't mean to talk over you. I think the -- the intent is to do that appraisal before September 23. And during that -- and that -- on 23 of September, lay out or discuss with the court, obviously, a production schedule. But again, we're still in the process of looking at the amount of effort, the amount of resources we need to commit to doing that. But... QUESTION: OK. TONER: ... that's the intent at least. QUESTION: And... TONER: Yeah. QUESTION: ... do you -- to go back to what you just said about your voluntary agreement to produce any e-mails to or from Secretary Clinton, did you mean to say any e-mails or did you mean to say any... TONER: Work related. QUESTION: ... work related e-mails? TONER: Yeah. QUESTION: OK. TONER: And that's always been obviously a dividing line or whatever. QUESTION: So, why -- do you have a clear understanding of why work-related e-mails would have turned up in the FBI investigation but not have been -- and to be more precise, work-related and record in the federal -- in the -- you know, according to the federal rules on what is a record -- why work-related e-mails, federal records, would have turned up in the FBI's investigation but would not have been turned over by Secretary -- former Secretary Clinton's staff in the first place? TONER: So, a couple of points to make there. First of all, is since we haven't had a -- the opportunity yet to make a full assessment, and frankly, even being our assessment and complete a review of the documents to determine which were work-related, which were personal, we still don't know. We still don't have a firm sense of how many of these 14,900 are new that we haven't seen before. Granted, that's a healthy number there. So there's likely to be quite a few. In response to your -- what I think is your question though, which is why didn't we have these earlier, all I can say is what former Secretary Clinton has said, which is that, you know, she said that she confirmed for the court that she had handed over or believed that she had handed over all of the work-related e-mails that were contained on clintonemail.com that were in her custody that she believed were potentially federal records. And she provided all of those, as I said, that were in her possession to the department. The FBI, obviously, in the course of its investigation, seems to have found other documents. I'm not sure it's -- refer you to the FBI to speak to where they obtained these records from. But I think right now, our focus is to move forward with our assessment of these -- appraisal of these documents, and then figure out how soon we can get them over to Judicial Watch.QUESTION: If the -- if the 14,900 documents include even one work related federal record as you say is most likely to be the case, why should you not have had those already? TONER: Well again I think that's something that we're looking at internally and all I can do is -- is refer you to what I just said which is that, you know, Secretary Clinton as she verified herself to the court, said that she gave over to the State Department all of her work related e-mails that were on her server. QUESTION: And another one on this, judicial watch has released a number of e-mails, including some not to or from Secretary Clinton, I mean some are but including e-mails between Doug Band who at the time was either an aid to former President Bill Clinton or was working for the -- and or was working for the Clinton Foundation. In which they show requests which I mentioned are not unusual, but requests for meetings with then Secretary Clinton by senior officials -- senior foreign officials. TONER: Directly to Secretary Clinton these e-mails? QUESTION: These -- some of them were two but most of them, the ones I'm referring to were between Band and (inaudible) regarding requests and the specific one by the crown prince (inaudible) to see then Secretary Clinton. To your knowledge, was their any policy on the part of former Secretary Clinton to exclude from her work related -- her e-mails deemed to be federal records, e-mails that dealt with the Clinton foundation? TONER: The -- I'm sorry, just the last part of your question? QUESTION: Was their any effort -- was their a decision by former Secretary Clinton's aids to exclude from federal records, e-mails to or from the Clinton Foundation. TONER: Certainly that I'm not aware of -- certainly that -- that not that I'm aware of. What I would say about those e-mails is more generally that you know, State Department officials including, Ms. Abedin, are in touch with a full range or a wide range of outside individuals and organizations, nonprofit NGOs, think tanks, others and requests for meetings with the secretary come from a broader range of sources and through different channels, both formal and informal. That's to be expected, there was nothing precluding State Department officials from having contact in this respect, with Clinton Foundation staff. And I would just add to that the departments actions under Secretary Clinton were always taken with the intent to advance our foreign policy interests set forth by this administration and with no other intent in mind than that.TONER: Please, James. QUESTION: Just one thing, this after the last batch of -- we were not e-mails from Secretary Clinton but they were very much like the ones that Arshad was just talking about between top aide -- some of her top aides and Clinton Foundation folks. One of your colleagues said that -- that you were -- that the State Department was sure that there was no impropriety involved in any of the contacts between this building and the foundation. Is that still the case? TONER: That is still our belief, yes. QUESTION: So you -- you... TONER: There was no impropriety. This was simply, you know, evidence of the way the process works in that, you know, any secretary of State has aids who are getting e-mails or contacts by a broad range of individuals and organizations. QUESTION: So, as far as you're concerned, what these e-mails -- like the ones that just were released today -- don't show anything new, this is old news, you guys have already looked into the -- already looked into this and decided that there wasn't any problem? TONER: I mean, of course we're always assessing new e-mails as they come in, so I don't want to make it look like we just disregarded this. (CROSSTALK) TONER: I'm sorry. Go ahead, Matt. QUESTION: Go ahead and finish. TONER: No, I just said, we'll always assess new e-mails as they come in, but we're... QUESTION: But these aren't new e-mails, these are... TONER: I understand that. QUESTION: But I mean, you -- you're confident or you know that the e-mails that were released today have been looked at by people whose job it is to look into these things and decide whether or not it was a violation or an appearance of a... TONER: Yes. That was my understanding, yes. QUESTION: And nothing... TONER: Again... QUESTION: ... in there has -- has raised... TONER: ... I'd stand by what I just said, which is that there was nothing in there. QUESTION: How do you -- how do you address the inference (inaudible) -- the inference that is left in Judicial Watch's statements on this, that meetings were granted to certain people who were also significant donors to or partners with the Clinton Foundation? They leave the inference that people were getting meetings, were getting consideration at a minimum for meetings, because they were big donors to the foundation? TONER: I mean, I guess I would just once again emphasize that there wasn't a single channel for access to the secretary of State, then Secretary of State Clinton. And for senior aids in the department at that time to have -- sorry -- to have connections with the Clinton Foundation -- which by the way, was working on, for example, Haiti relief, post-earthquake, pretty significant role in that, in fact, only speaks to the fact that, you know, these were important people who had reason to convey information to the secretary. There was nothing that we have seen that implied any kind of untoward relationship. QUESTION: But my question goes really to the -- and it's clear in the American domestic political tradition, it is completely explicit. You pay X thousands of dollars and you get to go to a reception with the president or a candidate for the presidency. And you know, I've been at fund-raisers standing on the outside of them where there are different levels of money you cough up and that governs how much access you get, whether you get a photo with them or not, and so on. And so the question I want you to address is Judicial Watch is leaving this inference there that you pay to the foundation and you get to see the secretary of state. Can you say, "No, that's just not true, that's not how it works"?TONER: What I would say is that we have no clear sign that that was the case. We've seen no evidence that that was the case. QUESTION: Thank you. TONER: Please. I'm sorry, James. Go ahead. QUESTION: That's all right. In a related vein -- and I should say to Arshad, that in fairness to Judicial Watch, I think their public relations people would be very displeased if the record were allowed to stand suggesting that they had simply left such things to inference. They make it rather explicit on how they feel about it. (LAUGHTER) QUESTION: I stand corrected. QUESTION: Fox News has obtained and shared with your office roughly 180 pages of call logs from the office of Cheryl Mills covering a two-year period when she was chief of staff to Secretary Clinton. As you have seen, the individual who left the greatest number of messages for Ms. Mills in that period of time by an exponential order was Laura Graham, then the Chief Operating Officer for the Clinton Foundation, close to 150 in the two-year timeframe. As you know, this evidence arises at a time when many questions had been raised about whether the Clinton State Department and specifically Ms. Mills maintained an appropriate distance from the Clinton Foundation. Can you tell us why Ms. Graham and Ms. Mills were in such close and constant contact? TONER: Well, a couple of things to say about this. First of all, just to step back and to address what James is referring to, these are logs that were in effect spreadsheets that were maintained by who was then the assistant to Chief of Staff Cheryl Mills to track, as you can imagine, the large volume of incoming calls that she received about a range of issues. And these documents were released through the FOIA process, I think back in April. So it's no surprise, of course, as I just -- I think I said to Arshad, that State Department officials are in contact with range of outside individuals and organizations, including non-profits, NGOs and of course think tanks and others. And that's certainly true with Ms. Mills. I would also state -- again, I don't know if I'm inferring from your question, I wouldn't want to do that, but Secretary Clinton's ethics agreement at the time did not preclude other State Department officials from engaging with or having contact with the Clinton Foundation. So you're right, there are these I guess 100 -- approximately, 150 messages. I can't give you a read-out of every one of those messages or every one of those calls, rather, and in fact, how many of the calls were returned or connected. All I can say, and I would go back to again what I just said -- explained to Arshad is, you know, I would note that the State Department at the time was and certainly Cheryl Mills individually was a coordinating hub for U.S. and international efforts to relief efforts in the wake of the 2011 Haiti earthquake. And as I said, Cheryl Mills personally led those efforts throughout her tenure here. And former President Clinton also played as a role as a coordinator for relief efforts in his role as the U.S. Special Envoy -- or U.N. Special Envoy for Haiti. So again, I don't want to speculate, but that could well be the reason why there were these calls, simply coordinating on what was one of the premiere or most significant foreign relations issues of the time.QUESTION: On one occasion, Ms. Graham left a message for Ms. Mills referencing, quote, "our boss," unquote. Did Ms. Graham and Ms. Mills have the same boss? TONER: I can't speculate as to who they were referring to, I just don't know. QUESTION: I didn't ask you to do that, I just asked did they have the same boss? TONER: They did not have the same boss I can answer that. QUESTION: With these call logs fresh in mind, can you still assure the American people that the Clinton State Department maintained at all points an appropriate distance from the Clinton Foundation? TONER: Again we have seen no evidence of any behavior, any relations with the Clinton Foundation that weren't completely above board, and in this case it's likely that what they were dealing with during many of these calls was the immediate aftermath of the Haiti earthquake. QUESTION: And finally since we just touched on Ms. Abedin, some unrelated questions about her. The New York Post has been reporting on the presence of Huma Abedin for more than a decade on the masthead of an Islamic Journal that published some fairly vial things including blaming the U.S. for 9/11 and an article by Ms. Abedin's mother in which she wrote that the quote "Empowerment of women does more harm than benefit." unquote. When Ms. Abedin was cleared to work here in the Department of State, one of the two jobs she held down during her tenure here, was Ms. Abedin's association with this journal known to the Secretary or to anyone else in this building? TONER: James I don't have an immediate answer for you on that. I haven't seen these reports to be honest. What I would say is that we wouldn't normally talk about someone's clearance process except to say that having gone through security clearance process and considering which the level of clearance she would have needed for the job that she held. I can assure you she was, like any individual would be, fully vetted. But I can't speak to the specific allegations. QUESTION: The presence of a State Department employee or a perspective employee on the masthead of a journal that is published and disseminated, would typically be the kind of thing that those who do the vetting around here would in fact uncover correct? TONER: Again I think they look at a broad range of -- of material, they conduct extensive interviews with friends, families, and when they go to those friends and families they get a second and third sources to talk about what an individuals connections and others maybe, but beyond that I don't want to speak in any great detail about how the process works. QUESTION: Can you take the question of whether Secretary Clinton knew about Huma Abedin's presence on the masthead of this journal for 12 years? TONER: I can certainly take it, I'm not sure I can get you a clear answer for that. For one thing I don't know that we would speak on behalf of Secretary Clinton who now has left the State Department and is no longer here. And I'm just not at all candor, sure that I'm able to talk about what was shared about an employees security clearance, it might be of a confidential nature. QUESTION: And Matt Lee earlier in his questioning today said he was questioning you on the subject of Iran, but really it seemed to be more about Syria, in the event that we come back to the subject of Iran in this briefing I would appreciate a chance to resume questioning with you on the subject of the video... QUESTION: Because I'd like to ask a question about it... TONER: OK. QUESTION: I wanted to ask the follow up question on Iran. TONER: Of course. QUESTION: We jumped into the e-mail, we go back now to Iran and Syria, are we not... TONER: Are you saying I'm running a sloppy briefing sir? QUESTION: Listen I'm fine with any format, but are we sticking to sort of issue dedicated or not? I'm OK with any format, but lets have some order. Thank you. TONER: Do you have a question? QUESTION: I have a question, I wanted to ask on Iran but then you went to Arshad to talk about the e-mails. QUESTION: Can we go back to Iran? QUESTION: I have a question on Iran.QUESTION: Mine is about the editing of the video... (CROSSTALK) TONER: Let's take your question. (CROSSTALK) TONER: No worries. No worries. QUESTION: Can I -- can I ask you some questions related to Thursday and Friday's information regarding the $400 million payment? TONER: OK. QUESTION: So let's unwind this a bit. On August 3rd, Spokesman Kirby said reports of a link between the prisoners and this payment were completely false. Do you stand by that or no? TONER: Yes, we do. What -- I'm sorry. One more time -- the statement? I apologize. QUESTION: All right... TONER: No, I'm sorry, I was trying to... QUESTION: On August 3rd, John Kirby, the Assistant Secretary, did a tweet and it said reports of a link between the prisoners and the payment are completely false. Do you stand by that? TONER: Yes, in the aspect that it was conveyed at the time through the -- now, I want to be clear -- that the article that was written was conveyed that it was some kind of ransom or quid pro quo. And we've been very adamant about defending that it was not done it that manner. QUESTION: He didn't say reports of a -- he said -- "reports of a link" was the quote, not reports of ransom regarding an aspect of something. Do you stand by that there was no link between these? TONER: Again, what we stand by is the fact that there was no ransom or quid pro quo. QUESTION: OK, that's not what he said at the time. In the briefing, he said on Thursday that the money was used as leverage and there is a connection. He used the word connection. Do you stand by that? TONER: Yes. QUESTION: Today at the White House briefing, Press Secretary Josh Earnest said he wouldn't have used the word leverage and he refused to use the word leverage. Do you understand why the White House isn't accepting your latest rationale for the money (ph)? TONER: First of all, I wouldn't -- well, look. There's a lot of wordplay here, perhaps on both our parts. So what is clear about the way this occurred, and we've tried to address this on a variety of occasions -- on a number of occasions, rather, and perhaps we haven't done a good enough job at it. But we have tried to, if you will, pull back the veil on what happened. And what happened was on that day, in the final hours, there was the culmination of three lines of effort; the Iran nuclear deal, the release of our detainees and also on our side, the release of Iranian prisoners held in U.S. prisons, and then thirdly, the Hague settlement. In the final hours, minutes if you will, there were snags in the process. It was not as smooth as one would always hope for. Things happen. We've recognized that and we've talked about that. And in fact, what I strongly defend is what John said last week, which is, it would have been imprudent for us to have handed over that money and not used it as leverage or however -- whatever type of description you want to give, except for ransom. It was not ransom because this was money that we owed the Iranian government. But in those final moments, it was decided that we were certainly going to use it as leverage in that particular moment until our citizens were back on a plane and safely out of Iranian airspace. And again, we stand by that because that was important to get them safely home.QUESTION: OK. I can accept that, but you probably should coordinate with the White House (inaudible) message on that... TONER: Point taken. QUESTION: He went back in time again today. Since we're lifting the veil, as you said, on Friday's conference call, a senior State Department official said he would provide details on how the $1.3 billion in subsequent payments were made. Can you provide any indication whether that was also cash, gold, silver, check, promissory note, blood diamonds -- I don't know. You tell us what form that payment took place. TONER: Look, obviously, we've talked about this off-line, rather. You know, I'm trying my best to get more details about that. The problem that we're up against with regard to this particular piece of the arrangement is that we generally don't talk about these kinds of financial arrangements because -- and especially in the case of Iran, where we don't have a financial relationship or a business relationship with them that other parties may have been involved and we don't want to speak on their behalf without getting their agreement to do so. QUESTION: I'm not (ph) asking should the (inaudible) for the other central bank that was used in that. I'm only asking for the form of payment. TONER: OK. QUESTION: And maybe, if you can, on how it was spread out. That has nothing to do... TONER: I could try to do that. And I was also... QUESTION: That doesn't violate anyone's... TONER: Sure, I can certainly try to get you that information, Brad. I could also -- would also encourage you to talk to the Department of Treasury, which also handles that. QUESTION: You should be able to get an answer from Treasury faster than I will, but I'll -- I just have one or two more. TONER: OK, go ahead. QUESTION: You've been -- the administration's been very adamant that this was done properly. I think in the conference call, the senior official said it was fairly above board, the $1.3 billion. Do you -- back to the $400 million, do you know who picked up the money? TONER: I don't. I don't have -- you're talking about... QUESTION: From Iran. TONER: From Iran? QUESTION: Yes, who'd you pay? TONER: I believe it was Iranian officials and Iranian government officials. I don't know particularly who individually it was. QUESTION: Do you know from which part of the Iranian government you paid? TONER: I don't have that information, no. QUESTION: Does the administration know who it paid? TONER: I'm certain they would, yes. QUESTION: OK. So that information is something you think should come out at some point, if you're lifting the veil or no? TONER: Well, again, you know, there's -- we'll see what level of detail we can get for you. QUESTION: And then lastly, there's been murmurs -- well, more than murmurs from Congress, Senate and House Banking and some others about a Congressional Inquiry. Is this something you think is a worthy topic of Congressional Inquiry given the slowness on a lot of the revelations? TONER: Well, given the what? I'm sorry. QUESTION: The slowness on... TONER: Oh, the slowness. QUESTION: ... the details. I mean, seven months later, we're still going into this. TONER: Again -- well, look. We don't have to re-litigate this. Of course we can, but we don't have to. But you know, we were very upfront at the very beginning about the fact that all of these -- all three of these efforts culminated at the same time back in January. That said, certainly, you know, we're always looking to provide and cooperate with -- provide Congress with and cooperate with Congress on any information it desires. QUESTION: So you'd welcome a congressional investigation if one came? TONER: We will -- we will do our best to corporate with and work with Congress. QUESTION: Just on the -- just on the -- this is very brief on the money. You said last minute snags. Does that mean that you're saying now that the money -- the plane with the money was delayed? TONER: We're saying -- we talked about this a little bit... QUESTION: Last week, but I missed it.TONER: ... last week. QUESTION: In other words, there were these snags and then you guys went and said look, you're not going to get your money until these snags are settled (ph). TONER: There were -- and snags is my term. But yes, there was -- during the actual handover... (CROSSTALK) QUESTION: And then just one more thing. There have been Iranian officials or at least one Iranian official quoted as saying it was a ransom. There's a reason that they think that or there's an explanation as to why they would want to say that. TONER: Yes, exactly. Thank you. QUESTION: But I want to go back to 2011 when the hikers were released. At that time, there was... TONER: You're straining my memory a bit. QUESTION: Bail -- "bail," quote/unquote paid of $500,000. It says -- at the time, you guys said it was arranged by the Sultan of Oman, but I'm just wondering, was there any U.S. government money involved in that that you gave to the Sultan of Oman or he just out of the kindness of his heart reached into his own bank account and pay that bail money? Because frankly, either way, that might be where the Iranians got the idea that they could hold Americans and get paid for it. Granted, not $400 million, but... TONER: Well, again... QUESTION: So that -- the question is... TONER: Sure. QUESTION: ... was there any American money involved in the payment of bail by the Sultan of Oman... TONER: I'd have to look back at it, Matt. QUESTION: ... to (inaudible) in 2011? TONER: Yeah, I'll have to look at that. But again, I just want to, you know, raise again my disagreement about how this $400 million is being bandied about as some kind of ransom or as some kind of money that we, out of whatever motivation, decided we were going to give the Iranians. This was part of a settlement that we owed the Iranian government. And by the way, American businesses and American companies have received similar compensations... QUESTION: Right. I know. But then you said you held it up... (CROSSTALK) TONER: No, no. So again, just to clarify, what John had spoken to last week and what Brad referred to was the fact that, you know, when there were some delays and some frankly lack of clarity in what was happening on the ground as we were getting all of these American detainees on -- and their family -- on a plane to get out of there, we said we acknowledge that yes, we did use it as leverage. (CROSSTALK) TONER: Let's stay -- let's finish this and then I'll get to you, Said, I'm not ignoring you, I swear. QUESTION: Just to follow up on Mr. Clappers line of questioning, Chairman Royce of the House Foreign Affairs Committee told Fox News on Thursday that the $400 million went to the Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corps. Without knowing the exact destination within the Iranian Government of that money, as you seem unsure right now, can you at least rule out that the money went to the IRGC? TONER: All I would say, James, is I just don't have that level of detail. I just don't know it personally. I can check. Please? QUESTION: (inaudible) but how would you know if the money went to... TONER: IRGC? QUESTION: ... revolutionary guard? TONER: I mean, honestly... (CROSSTALK) TONER: We could always hand it over to someone who would hand it over to the IRGC. I mean, it's their... (CROSSTALK) QUESTION: You're not even saying who you handed it over to. QUESTION: Don't you care? I mean, you would want to know, don't you? TONER: I'm saying I personally don't know that level of detail. I'm certain that the people who we dealt with or who dealt with this knew who they were handing the money over to. QUESTION: (inaudible) you rule out that the Revolutionary Guard picked up the money? TONER: I said I don't know (inaudible). (CROSSTALK) QUESTION: On the S300, now there were statements from Iran saying that they have it. They have the Russian missiles that were I guess stopped (ph) back in 2010 because of sanctions. First of all, did you confirm that in your response to Matt? Did you confirm that they do have most of these rockets... TONER: I did not confirm that.QUESTION: OK. Now, let me ask you about the (inaudible) 373. Is that -- it is a rocket that Iran claims it has made on its own and using its own technology, its own resources... TONER: Right. QUESTION: Do you have a position on that? Would you object to Iran having this kind of missile? (CROSSTALK) TONER: (inaudible) We're aware -- no, we've seen -- sorry, I didn't mean to cut you off. Go ahead. I mean, you're talking about the news reports that there is some kind of domestic missile defense, yes? Domestically built? QUESTION: Reports from the country... TONER: I don't -- we're looking into the reports, you know, and I'd really refer you to the Department of Defense to talk about (inaudible). QUESTION: But is that something that would bother you if Iran developed its own missiles or its own rockets and so on? Because they also are doing -- making or designing or manufacturing cruise missiles and... TONER: Well, again, I think... QUESTION: ... some type of... TONER: I think therein lies the -- you know, the issue here would be whether it is an offensive or defensive capability. QUESTION: And one last question, on the role of Iran in Yemen. Are you concerned that these rockets may find their way to the Houthis in Yemen? TONER: Well, you know, certainly we're always concerned about any influence that would further exacerbate the conflict in Yemen. What we're trying to push for now, and (inaudible) what the secretary will try to do in his meetings later this week in Saudi Arabia, is work on how do we back in place a credible peace process in Yemen. QUESTION: On Iran... TONER: Let's finish all the Iran stuff. QUESTION: OK. TONER: Let's do that and then I swear I'll get to yours. Are you on Iran or no? QUESTION: Turkey. TONER: I swear I'll get to you. I won't leave. QUESTION: (inaudible) TONER: Yes, I don't think I -- I apologize, Arshad. I'm not sure I have that all listed in front of me. Let me just check very quickly and then I'll get to you, James, I promise. QUESTION: What are reading up right now? TONER: (inaudible) I don't think I have it in here, but let me just check. QUESTION: It will be on Saudi Arabia and it will be at least in part of advance the Yemeni peace process. TONER: Exactly, yep. Sir? QUESTION: OK, thank you. During his briefing on Thursday when he presented the findings of the Office of the Legal Adviser on the edited briefings, Rear Admiral Kirby recounted the fateful moment back in December 2013 when a female supervisor within the Bureau of Public Affairs placed a telephone call to a subordinate technician within the bureau and asked for this infamous edit of the video to be made. Kirby stated, and I quote, "There is no evidence to indicate who might have placed that call or why." Do you stand by that statement? TONER: Yes. QUESTION: The legal advisers' report which was made available to the news media only after Kirby's briefing had concluded included a section that is captioned "Evidence Of Purposeful Editing," does it not? TONER: Yes, but I believe your statement -- again, sorry, I'm just rewinding here -- said that we don't know who that person was. QUESTION: Correct. It said, "There is no evidence to indicate" -- Mr. Kirby said, "There is no evidence to indicate who might have placed that call or why." And you just stood by that statement. In the section of the report that I just mentioned, it states, and I quote, "The technician did not recall a reason being given for the edit request, but did believe that the requester had mentioned in the course of the call a Fox Network reporter and Iran," unquote. That suggests that the exchange between Ms. Psaki (inaudible) was in fact directly related to why the call was placed, doesn't it? TONER: I'm not sure it does.TONER: I think it actually would just mark where it was identifiable and that's a common thing. Look -- and I'm speculating here and I think that's the important part to stress here -- that could easily have been someone conveying to someone, "Hey, that's where you find this exchange. It's where the Fox News reporter" -- everyone knows, of course, your famous visage -- would be a place to find that part of the transcript and identify that as a part where there was maybe a garble, maybe a glitch. The fact is we don't know. And I'm not trying to be facetious, I'm not trying to be lighthearted about this. We did conduct an investigation. We conducted over 30 interviews, we looked at the e- mail records we could, you know, we did an honest appraisal of what we could do in terms of finding out what happened here. And we didn't find out -- we didn't find the smoking gun. QUESTION: When Admiral Kirby stated that there was, quote, "no evidence to indicate why this call was placed," that was false, wasn't it? There was some evidence, and in fact, the mention of (inaudible) and Iran appears in a section of the report entitled evidence of purposeful editing. So, there was not no evidence, was there? TONER: Again, it's... QUESTION: There was some evidence of -- about what the call was related to (ph)? TONER: I mean, we all -- look. James, we all know -- and that's partly why I made my last point. But we all know that it was the segment in which you asked this question of Jen Psaki that was edited from this video, which was not, as we have said many times, the official transcript, but was a video of this press conference, video that was always available through other means. But this particular video was edited and that segment was edited. What John (ph) was trying to convey, what the report, we believe, conveyed -- or found, rather, was that there's no smoking gun here. There's no clear indication that this was done with malicious intent. QUESTION: He said no evidence. He didn't say clear evidence one way or the other. The point is this person recalls the requester of the edit citing that exchange, so we can't rule out that that was in fact the basis for the request, correct? TONER: I think we can't rule in or out in anything. QUESTION: OK. During Thursday's briefing, Admiral Kirby acknowledged it to be true that the State Department videos of its briefings are shot with cameras purchased with taxpayer funds and that the employees operating these cameras are themselves federal employees... TONER: That's correct. QUESTION: ... as are those who upload the videos to the State Department website and maintain that website. And you don't disagree with any of that, correct? Correct? TONER: Yes, sir. (LAUGHTER) QUESTION: When the technicians operate... TONER: (OFF-MIKE) QUESTION: Again, with panache. (LAUGHTER) When the technicians operate the camera for this purpose, as they are at this very moment, they are, in fact, recording the briefing, are they not? TONER: Yes. QUESTION: So, would it be safe to say that every time State Department employees shoot the video of these briefings, they are in fact making an audiovisual record of the briefing, isn't that what the video is? TONER: It is. And one of the things we talked about last week was, you know, the fact that -- look, the printed transcript... QUESTION: It's a simple question. It's an audiovisual record of the briefing... TONER: It is an audiovisual record, not necessarily the official audiovisual record of the briefing. QUESTION: Well, wait a minute. It -- it is generated by federal employees of this federal agency with federal equipment. TONER: And... QUESTION: That would make it the official audiovisual record, would it not? TONER: Not necessarily. I mean, we put -- well, don't look aghast, no. There are different... QUESTION: I was looking askance. TONER: Askance. (LAUGHTER) No. I mean, in all seriousness, you know, this is -- we've talked about this last week, and in fact, it's mentioned in the report is, you know, we're in the process of consulting with the National Archives and Record Administration on, you know, what constitutes official records and transcripts from the Public Affairs Bureau of the State Department. It has always been a clear understanding that the written transcript that comes out that is sent far and near every day is the official transcript of the State Department. Now, let me just (inaudible). Now, the video transcript of this briefing was offered...QUESTION: (inaudible) transcript, it is a video. TONER: Video of the -- the briefing -- thank you -- that was put up on various platforms was frankly first done as a -- as a courtesy, as -- also as a way to get the video out to different audiences, to other audiences that might not necessarily be on the mailing list of the State Department or want a printed transcript of the briefing. We also -- as I said, that same video was put up on DVIDS -- or a different version of it put up on DVIDS that was unedited. I'm just saying that it was not the official video or official transcript of that said briefing. QUESTION: We know it wasn't the official transcript. The transcript was the official transcript. TONER: Correct. QUESTION: I think, Mark, that you know perfectly well that whether we're speaking in colloquial or strict technical terms, you are engaged in an elaborate kabuki with other angels on the head of a pin when you seek to tell us that the official video of the State Department's briefings prepared by State Department employees is not the official video or may not be considered the official video The unofficial videos of these briefings are the ones that the news organizations take. You know this. The official video is the one that your department creates. But be that as it may, my final question on this is to try to... (CROSSTALK) QUESTION: ... be of some help to you... TONER: Sure. QUESTION: ... in your discussions with the National Archives and Records Administration. The Federal Records Act defines presidential records as, quote "audio and visual records or other mechanical recordations, whether in analog, digital, or any other form," unquote, and encompasses any such records generated by, quote, "a unit or individual of the executive office of the President, whose function is to advise or assist the President in his official duties". Given that you, from this podium, in this very briefing have just acknowledged that the State Department videos created and maintained by (ph) State Department funds and employees are in fact an audiovisual record of these proceedings, then why wouldn't we imagine that they are covered under the Federal Records Act which, again, specifies audio and visual records? TONER: All I can say in answer is that the National Archives and Record Administration, who we're consulting with to see whether any changes should be made to address press briefing videos, clearly recognizes through its current disposition system -- or schedule rather -- that the written transcript is the quote/unquote "permanent record" with regard to the briefing. Now, all that said, what's important here is that we acknowledged that there was a portion of a video of that briefing on that day that was edited. We have acknowledged that that is -- for whatever reason, it was done -- was incorrect and should not have been done. We've taken steps to address that. At the same time, it's also important to recognize that it's -- if this was part of some grand scheme to somehow blot that from the record of history, it was a poorly executed one because there were plenty of other sources, including news reports, that came out of that exchange. So let me just finish. All we're trying to say here is that -- is that there were other sources out there of this briefing -- of this exchange within the briefing and that we acknowledge that this edit, deliberate or otherwise, to this particular video -- well, we know it's deliberate. Sorry, let me correct myself. We don't know why it was done. That that edit should not have been done. And we've now put in place a policy that will forbid that from happening or prevent that from happening in the future.QUESTION: I agree with you, it wasn't a great advertisement for the efficacy of government. Let me finish by simply asking you, because both you and Admiral Kirby have raised this question, this notion that these videos were only made and uploaded to the State Department website as a courtesy. Is it the posture of the department that only records that are generated as result of some statutory obligation should be counted as federal records or -- or are those records that are generated as a courtesy or from some other human motivation aren't necessarily to be considered federal records? In other words, it strikes me that this reference to the courtesy, the great courtesy you show the American people in reporting and archiving these briefings, that (ph) that's irrelevant to the question of whether or not it's a federal record, and can we agree about that? TONER: Well, while we're having this discussion, I would call your attention to the fact that we are one of the few federal agencies who gets up on a daily basis and holds these kinds of press briefings and exhausts the rooms, answering all of your questions. We may not be able give you all the information that you want every day that you seek, but we make a best effort every day to answer every question from every person in this room who comes in here who has a question about the conduct or the content of our foreign policy. And I'm proud of that, personally and professionally. Now, with regard to whether this is the -- should be considered an official transcript, I'm only citing chapter... QUESTION: Federal record. TONER: ... of a federal record -- thank you. I can't speak to that in terms of whether that we should have that semantic argument... (CROSSTALK) QUESTION: The presence of courtesy is not... TONER: I agree (ph). QUESTION: The presence of courtesy is not determinative as to whether something is a federal record, am I correct about that? TONER: Again... QUESTION: Because you keep raising it. TONER: Well, I keep raising the fact that there were other records out there, one of which was considered the permanent record. Let's leave it there. Please? QUESTION: OK. Kurdish President Masoud Barzani will be meeting with Vice President Biden in Turkey. Can you tell us -- can you inform us what will be on the agenda of their talks? TONER: I cannot, and I'm sorry you've waited so long for that question. (LAUGHTER) No. I mean, look, I'd have to refer you to the White House. QUESTION: OK. Possibly then, since you can't tell me very much, so I'd love to guess (ph). I think the past decade has quite arguably vindicated the Vice President's judgment about Iraq when he wrote in the pages of the New York Times that Iraq should be decentralized into three separate regions. One could say that seems to be a keen insight. At the time, the Sunnis opposed it, but I bet you they've got a different attitude now. Do you think it's possible, if you could speculate, that that spirit of decentralization might be informing Vice President Biden's meeting with Mr. Barzani? TONER: I would in no way whatsoever speculate in that regard. QUESTION: Syria? TONER: Please. QUESTION: Thank you. So Jeff Davis, the spokesperson for the Pentagon, said this over the weekend about regime airstrikes on Hasakah in Syria. He said, quote, "As we've said in the past, the Syrian regime would be well advised not to interfere with coalition forces or our partners." So, the Kurdish YPG forces have been described on this podium as partners and as brave. Secretary Carter has described the YPG as willing, capable and one of their most effective partners. Now, the Pentagon has confirmed that the YPG has come under attack. What does well-advised mean? And as Jeff Davis notes, you've warned that regime in the past as (inaudible) as we've said in the past. Why haven't we seen any response to Syrian regime airstrikes on the YPG forces, who are your partners?TONER: Well, I'm going to refer to the Department of Defense to speak to their comments regarding airstrikes that they might undertake. But what I think was conveyed was the fact that -- and we have acknowledged this -- that we have special operating forces, SOF, who are advising and assisting some of the forces that are fighting ISIL in northern Syria. And what was made very clear was if we believe that these personnel, these people are put in harms way by these airstrikes, we'll act accordingly. QUESTION: Not just them. Jeff Davis says, "coalition forces or our partners," this is quote/unquote. So -- meaning that if you are partners -- as I said, the YPG has been described as your partner -- comes under attack, the Syrian regime will be well advised not to do that. I mean, why to issue warnings and not to follow through when you don't -- I mean, why should the Syrian regime take the United States seriously every time you issue a threat and you don't really implement it? TONER: Well, again, the first priority is always the safety of our own personnel. You know, we are aware that the Syrian regime has maintained this base in Hasakah since before the start of our operations there -- our cooperation with the Syrian forces -- Syrian- Arab forces that are fighting ISIL. Our forces and our focus is on the counter-ISIL efforts in northern Syria. We are assisting the Syrian Democratic Forces in that regard. And as you note, as a result of some of these regime airstrikes, U.S. aircraft went into that area to ensure the safety of our personnel. We're going to continue to maintain very close situational awareness and we'll always come to the defense, as I just said, of our personnel. We communicated that to the Russians through our deconfliction channel to reinforce the importance of maintaining separation and safety of flight for any of our operations. But last week, we saw regime airstrikes came very dangerously close to U.S. forces on the ground. But in terms of any other comments they may have made, I'd just refer you to the Department of Defense. QUESTION: (OFF-MIKE) TONER: Sure thing. QUESTION: So in effect, if there are U.S. -- wherever there are U.S. personnel, there's -- in a pretty wide area of northern Syria because that encounter you talked about, they hadn't necessarily struck or dropped bombs. So in effect, there is a no-fly zone in that part of -- in Syria where U.S. personnel are, a de facto one? TONER: No, I wouldn't say that at all because that requires -- in terms of logistics and support and footprints and execution is at a whole different level. What -- what I would say is that any time -- and we're watching and monitoring closely where our forces -- and it's a relatively small number of forces, so let's not exaggerate here -- are on the ground advising and assisting these Syrian Democratic Forces. And we see airstrikes appear to -- or not appear to, but carried out in close proximity to them, then we're certainly going to come to their defense and we're certainly going to make clear to the Russians and the regime that we'll protect our forces. QUESTION: Well, I understand that. But just... TONER: I mean, you said, de facto no-fly zone, and I -- again, I would refer you to the Pentagon. But there's -- I think there's a distinction between the two.QUESTION: I agree, yes. But if they don't drop their bombs, you're saying, if they committed these airstrikes, I understand that they would fly to intercept. But in the reports of what happened most recently, they hadn't struck yet, they were just flying in the area. So, I mean, does the U.S. feel that any presence of the Syrian air force in areas where the United States is or might have forces is unpermissible (ph) or prohibited? TONER: No, I think what we saw last week were (ph) indeed airstrikes carried out by the regime, at least to my understanding. And we very quickly and urgently conveyed that, you know, if we see additional ones, we'll act accordingly. QUESTION: Mark, do you convey to the Syrian government where your trainers or personnel are? TONER: No. I mean, only in the case -- in this case where, you know, we had to acknowledge I think that they were in close proximity. QUESTION: (inaudible) on the humanitarian situation... TONER: Of course. QUESTION: ... because there was a session today of the National -- the Security Council of the U.N. They were meeting -- they were being briefed by Stephen O'Brien I believe on the situation. My question to you, are you going to go along with Russia's suggestion for or call for a 48-hour cease-fire? Or do you have any other -- any view on the issue of safe passage that was suggested by Russia? TONER: Yeah, well, is it adequate? Not really. But you know, would we go along with it? Sure, because frankly, any effort to stop the violence and allow some humanitarian assistance to release -- to relieve the besieged citizens of Aleppo would be welcomed. But it's not sufficient. It's not what Russia had signed up to. And U.N. Security Council Resolution 2254, but also additionally through various meetings of the ISSG, that would provide full access to humanitarian -- to besieged areas for humanitarian assistance. So it's not in any way adequate to the need that is out there, but certainly, the sooner the better we can get some relief to these people. QUESTION: So would you support these corridors (ph) suggested by Russia for people to leave and come back and for goods and whatever humanitarian aid to come through? TONER: I mean, again, you know, it's a hard answer -- it's a hard question to answer directly because it's insufficient. And in fact, what needs to take place is -- more broadly is, you know, a nationwide cessation of hostilities. And until we get there, none of these half-measures will be adequate. But you know, certainly, if you're talking about innocent civilians being allowed to escape from the besieged city, you know, we're certainly not going to turn a blind eye to that. Please? QUESTION: Philippines? TONER: Philippines. QUESTION: A few questions. TONER: Are we done? I'm sorry, let me just -- I'm sorry, because I got accused of not finishing out an issue. So are we done with Syria? (LAUGHTER) I'm just teasing. It's OK. Philippines. QUESTION: Philippines President Rodrigo Duterte lashed out at the U.S. and the U.N. for criticizing his crackdown on suspected drug dealers or rather for criticizing his country's methods. He threatened to leave the U.N. He accused the U.S. of violating human rights, citing police killings of black people. This comes two weeks after he insulted the U.S. ambassador to the Philippines, also called Secretary Kerry crazy. Do you see this as a -- do you see this as a departure from normal relations or is this normal?TONER: Look, so first of all, I'll take your question step by step. I mean, we're very concerned, deeply concerned I would say about reports of extra-judicial killings of individuals suspected to have been involved in drug activity in the Philippines. President Duterte's criticism of the U.S. aside, I would defend the fact that we are a nation who believes strongly in the role of law and due process and respect for human rights. That's not to say we're perfect, but we believe in those ideals. And we also believe that those principles go a long way into promoting long-term security. So we continue to work with and to urge the Philippines to ensure its law enforcement efforts comply with its human rights obligations. As to his comments about the U.N., look, I'd have to refer you to the president or his aides to explain what he meant. It's not for us to parse what he may have intended to say there. QUESTION: You don't see it as a departure from normal relations, would you -- would you... TONER: Well, look, we were in the Philippines, in Manila. We had a meeting with President Duterte now several weeks ago. But I can say that, you know, those meetings were held in a very constructive fashion. There was a good and frank exchange on both sides about the importance of the bilateral relationship with the Philippines on our part and the desire to see it strengthen going forward. A recognition, I think, of some of the challenges that the Philippines faces in terms of crime and in terms of drug trafficking, but also on the part of the secretary -- Secretary of State Kerry -- a very clear message that law enforcement -- effective law enforcement has to be tied to human rights concerns and respect for human rights. And certainly, he conveyed that message in his meetings with the president. QUESTION: You said -- we were in Manila a few weeks ago. Is it Secretary Kerry's meeting -- are you referring to Secretary Kerry's meeting with... TONER: Yes, I'm talking about Secretary Kerry who was in Manila a few weeks ago. QUESTION: So President Rodrigo Duterte actually commented on that meeting and he said and I quote here, "Kerry came here, we had a meal and he left me and Delfin," meaning the incoming defense minister, "$33 million. I said okay, maybe we should offend them more so this crazy will just give more money just to make peace. So it's all about the money," end quote. Is this -- is this normal for a bilateral relationship? TONER: Again, you're asking me, which I think is out of my wheel house to defend the comments of a president of another country. QUESTION: I'm not asking you to defend him. TONER: Then what are you asking? QUESTION: What is the reaction? TONER: The reaction is that, you know, we continue to make clear to the Philippine Government about our concerns about human rights, extrajudicial killings, but we're also committed to our bilateral relationship and strengthening that bilateral relationship. QUESTION: A week ago, Secretary Carter announced ramped up military presence in the Philippines. Is the U.S. inclined to ignore the insults because of the importance of the cooperation with the Philippines and of its position on the South China Sea?TONER: So, a couple of thoughts. First of all, is that we have a long and enduring security relationship with the Philippines, and of course, we're seeking always to improve that relationship. So I wouldn't necessarily tie that it in with anything else other than what it is, which is, you know, the Philippines remains an important partner in the region. With regard to us looking or turning a blind eye to human rights abuses or possible human rights abuses in the Philippines, I can assure you that that's not the case. We take any credible allegations of human rights violations very, very seriously and would raise them with the Filipino government. QUESTION: (Inaudible) reserved reaction to the insults and accusations be explained by the fact that the cooperation with the Philippines is important to the United States and it doesn't want to sort of rock the boat further? TONER: Look, I mean, we have a very frank and candid relationship with the Philippines, but a good relationship with the Philippines. They're under new leadership now with President Duterte. He is well known, as we all know in this room, as a plain speaking, I guess, politician. It's not for me to -- to judge that. I'm just going to say that we continue to work with the Filipino government on a broad range of bilateral and regional issues, and while at the same time, making clear that, you know, as Philippines addresses issues that touch on human rights, that we're going to make our concerns clear. QUESTION: My very last one. My very last one. TONER: Yeah, sure. Go ahead. QUESTION: The Philippine's president bringing up shootings involving police and black people in the U.S. and elevating it to an international level. Do you think it is appropriate for him to do that? TONER: I would say it's appropriate for anyone anywhere to ask questions or look at. Again, we are a transparent, I hope, country. And as I said earlier to your -- in response to your previous question, we're by no means perfect, but we strive to have in place a justice system that is -- treats all people with respect and respects their human rights. Please. QUESTION: On North Korea. TONER: Yes. QUESTION: North Korea Foreign Minister (inaudible) next month for (inaudible) general assembly. There's a (inaudible) relationship between U.S. and North Korea. What is the visa status of entering into the United States? TONER: What is the status of the foreign minister of -- I'm sorry.. (CROSSTALK) QUESTION: North Korean minister visit to the United States in New York. TONER: We don't normally discuss these issues. QUESTION: Yes. TONER: What I would say is -- sorry. What I would say is, with respect to U.N. general assembly and the U.N. writ large is that we have certain legal obligations that we adhere to as a host country of the United Nations. But I'm not going to speak to that. Often, require us to allow individuals of countries where we may not have -- with whom we may not have diplomatic relations to come for the express purpose of attending the general assembly. But I'm not going to speak to specific individuals or cases. QUESTION: But (inaudible) entering the United States, but (inaudible). TONER: I can't -- I've tried to explain this. We have certain legal obligations that we have taken on as the host country for the United Nations that allow us or permit us or require us to provide visas for individuals from governments with whom we may not have diplomatic relations. But I'm not going to talk about specific cases.QUESTION: One follow-up on the Clinton e-mail. Looking at the Judicial Watch release today that is saying that there is -- you said there's no impropriety in the relationship between Hillary Clinton and the Clinton Foundation... TONER: Yes. QUESTION: ... during that time. Is the argument that you're making is that Crown Prince Salman and other people that are singled out in some of these e-mails would have access to the State Department and to Hillary Clinton irrelevant of their donations to the Clinton Foundation? TONER: Yes. I mean, I can't -- I'm sorry, I'm processing your question. I apologize for the delayed response there because I'm processing the question. All I'm saying is that we, the State Department, have contact with a wide range of individuals, of governments -- with governments, with organizations, with NGOs around the world, and so we get requests for meetings or time with the secretary or access to the secretary from a variety of sources. All I'm saying in this case is that no one below the secretary was prohibited from having relations with the Clinton Foundation at that time. So it's not surprising or necessarily does it indicate something nefarious was going on, that -- that we were receiving messages or getting input from the Clinton Foundation as to who this person might meet with. QUESTION: So it'd not be unusual for, say the -- some member of the Saudi family to have access to the Secretary of State for a meeting or -- or... TONER: Well, again, it depends on what the issue was, what the subject matter, what the -- you know, it's hard for me to just categorically say yes or no. Sorry. Please, sir. QUESTION: (OFF-MIKE) TONER: Can we just do one or two more questions? Been up here a long time. QUESTION: So a (inaudible) has been registered (ph) against Amnesty International in India. After this (inaudible) families an institution (ph) of different families (inaudible) Kashmir. Do you have anything to say to Amnesty or to any other authority on this? TONER: You're saying -- one more time. I apologize. Amnesty... QUESTION: (inaudible) against Amnesty International in India. TONER: With -- against Amnesty International, I'm sorry. Well, we obviously, as we do around the world support, the right to freedom of expression and assembly, including through civil society. We've seen these reports of local police in Bangalore have been issued a preliminary investigation into allegations of sedition against Amnesty International. I direct you to the Bangalore police for more details into this investigation, but certainly we, as I said, respect the right for Amnesty and others to express themselves freely. QUESTION: (inaudible) India (ph) authorities have expressed a desire to restart the process the dialogue process, but both the countries have their own agendas. Pakistan wants to talk about the Kashmir while India wants to talk about the cause (ph) for terrorism. So Pakistan on different occasions has seek (ph) U.S. role for mediation between the two countries. Will your (inaudible) come (ph) forward as a mediator? TONER: Well, first of all, we strongly support all efforts between India and Pakistan to -- that can contribute to a more stable and prosperous region, and that includes meetings at any level between Indian and Pakistani officials. Our long-standing position's always been that India and Pakistan stand to benefit from a normalization of relations and practical cooperation. And so we would be encouraged that India and Pakistan continue to engage in direct dialogue aimed at reducing tensions, so I'm going to... (CROSSTALK) TONER: No, please, one more... QUESTION: One more on China? TONER: No, go ahead, sir. And then (inaudible). QUESTION: China issued new guidelines on Sunday that aimed at establishing a stronger communist party presence in all NGOs in China. Do you have any comment on that?TONER: I believe I do. Checking out the Charity Law, I believe. Look, a vibrant civil society is important to development of any country around the globe. And we urge China to uphold the assurances it has given that it will welcome and foster engagement with civil society -- and engagement with civil society, including an active role for non-governmental organizations from other countries. And you had one more? QUESTION: Yes, on North Korea. TONER: Sure, go ahead. QUESTION: So the -- I know there's a big U.S.-Korea exercise taking place starting today, 25,000 U.S. troops. North Korea's rhetoric has kind of ramped up and the president of South Korea today was referencing it, saying that North Korea is planning a -- is prepared for a preemptive Korea-style nuclear strike in case the exercise poses a threat to them. Is there any -- I know that this building doesn't comment too regularly on the rhetoric out of North Korea, but is there any concern? I mean, a year ago, they shelled South Korea during the same period. Is there any concern that North Korea might take action there? TONER: Well, again, I'd refer you to the Department of Defense to talk about our military cooperation exercises. But you know, to speak broadly to your question, is there any concern given the level of erratic behavior that we've seen on the part -- on behalf of North Korea over the past -- certainly past six or seven months? There's always concern, but I don't think it's going to keep us from moving forward. Thanks, everybody. QUESTION: Thank you.
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HOUSE FLOOR DEBATE: The House meets for legislative business. Reading of the Constitution of the United States by Members of the House of Representatives / (Rep. Goodlatte) // Suspension (1 Bill): H.Res.22 - A resolution to Cut Congress's Budget (Rep. Walden - House Administration) 15:00:01real uplifting experience, sad, unfortunately, to note as we look through history that this was the first time that the entire u.s. constitution was read on the house floor. i think this should be an event that occurs every new congress so that we re-establish and remind ourselves just what 15:00:19we're up here to uphold. and as we talk about the spending issues of the country, i think one area that shows you where spending has gotten out of control is if you go to the 10th amendment, the 10th amendment to the constitution, as i note my friend from utah, is such a proud poe opponent, 15:00:35the powers not delegated to the united states nor prohibited it to the states are reserved to the states respectively or to the people. yet, if you look at so many things we're doing up here in washington that this federal government has gotten so expansive in doing have 15:00:51absolutely nothing to do with powers that was delegated in the constitution and in fact one of the big debates we are going to have here this week under this first new week here in this congress is this government takeover of health care that a federal court just ruled is not constitutional. the federal government does not 15:01:09under federal court ruling now does not have the authority to mandate that american citizens have to buy a private product as a condition of citizenship. so i think the fact that not only today did we put our money where our mouths are by voting 15:01:23to cut our own budgets, because as we're talking about cutting all throughout government where threes' duplication, where there's departments that shouldn't exist, these czars, these 30 or so shadow government figures that are running their almost cabinets, like a secret cabinet that's 15:01:39running out there, and every one of them has multimillion dollar budgets and staffs and they're not accountable to anybody except to the president, not the people, not to the senate, we are going to be looking at all of those areas to make serious cuts but 15:01:55then we also have to look and then, of course, tomorrow we'll be voting on the start of the process to repeal obamacare and do what the courts have already said, this isn't constitutional, it shouldn't be on the books and get rid of that unconstitutional mandate with all the bad taxes and other things that go with it. but then we got to look at 15:02:11creating jobs, and i think that's where you get into an area where we're cutting spending, which we need to do aggressively, we also need to unleash the potential of the individual, it's not government here in washington ma makes this a great -- makes this a great country and the greatest 15:02:26country in the world, it's the power of our people back home, the small business owner, the stay-at-home mom who is raising a family, the people that actually makes this country work and i think there is no place more evident than what is wrong with washington than in moy home state where you have 15:02:43this thing going on since after the b.p. disaster in the gulf of mexico. it's the president's policies, not the actions and failures of b.p. but the president's policies that put 12,000 people 15:02:58out of work through what's called a perma tombings rium. the president said all the companies that didn't do anything wrong that follow the best safety guidelines in the world and had in problem the government has shut them down, put them out of work. Akin (R-MO):i can't help but jump 15:03:15in a little bit, it keeps coming back to my mind, as you talk about the particular situation, the job killing mandates that are coming from the administration, i keep thinking, an awful lot of americans must be starting to 15:03:30feel the same way i do, that the government's not a servant anymore, that it's a fearful master. we were warned by the forefathers that if you let your government, your federal government get out of control, it will become a fearful master and it seems to me that that's 15:03:46kind of what's starting to happen. i think that the last election was an understanding across the whole country that this government needs to be put back in its proper place, being a servant of the people, doing 15:04:02programs that are constitutional instead of things that people think, wow, it would be a great idea if we mandate this or mandate that. now you have an area that's had 15:04:12a tough hit from the oil spill, and we'll take a business that's done nothing wrong and shut them down because of some mandate. somehow or other, i don't see that as being government the servant, do you? Scalise (R-LA):it's the opposite 15:04:27of the government being the servant, it's the government being the oppressor. 12,000 jobs have already been lost in south louisiana alone, and these aren't my numbers, this is the white house. the white house and the president's response to that was, well, they can go get unemployment. 15:04:43these aren't people who want to be on unemployment rolls, they are hardworking people who want to be contributing to america's energy security, but it's this administration that's shut them down and not allowed them to go back to work drilling safely. i'm talking again, i'm not talking about b.p., i'm talk 15:04:59act the companies who have played by the rules all along, never had any safety problems because they follow a higher standard. they're the ones who have been shut down and put out of work. not only is it affecting louisiana in terms of 12,000 out of jobs but it's affecting 15:05:15america's security. s that time, once you get out of the summer, where gas prices typically start falling again. but what are we seeing? now gas prices are breaking over the $3 a gallon mark in many states because in part this administration has changed 15:05:30our energy policy where we've shut off more areas of energy production in america which means middle eastern countriesmark of whom don't like us, and other countries, are producing the energy we need, it reverses our trade 15:05:46balance, sends billions of dollars and thousands of jobs to foreign countries out of america and it make ours country less secure which is why we're approaching $100 a barrel gasoline because the united states of america has said through president a because ma's policy, we're going to shut off most of our sources of known energy and of 15:06:06course our demand for energy hasn't dropped so we're more reliant on many foreign country who don't like it. it's devastating in terms of consequence, in terms of 12,000 lost jobs in south louisiana 15:06:21but devastating effects on energy security, which we're seeing in gas prices that are breaking $3 a gallon. mr. kay kin -- Akin (R-MO):you've talked about louisiana and i appreciate that perspective, but let's back up from what you've said and take 15:06:37a look at the subject here we're talking about today is cutting government. if you take a look at the department of energy, the department of energy was founded years and years ago with the purpose of making sure that we were not dependent on foreign oil. 15:06:53now that department has grown with more and more and more buildings and bureaucrats and people in it. i'm sure with well-meaning intention. but as the department has grown, we've become more dependent on foreign oil. now there's something in that equation that's fundamentally 15:07:11nuts. so we have to take a good look at this subject. i'm interested too that sometimes i point out to my constituents, i think people don't understand this, but congress, our opinions in this chamber, are pretty divided. 15:07:25if i were to say to some of my constituents that there's a big difference between republicans and democrats on the abortion issue, they'd go, gee whiz no big surprise. but they may be surprised to know if you look at voting records, there's a bigger 15:07:39difference on development of american energy between republicans and democrats than there is on the abortion thing. so there's a great difference of opinion as to whether or not we need to become energy independent in this country and i'm glad you've got the common 15:07:55sense to say, we need to be energy independent, we need to develop all -- do to develop all our energy resources. the fact that you've take an big stand on that, it's great. it's a treat to have you here today. i'm going to run back over to 15:08:10georgia a little bit and then jump over here to representative graves and jump in, please. Graves, T. (R-GA):thank you for yielding some time and madam speaker this should be the final few minutes of my discussion as i'm going to leave and yield to the 15:08:25gentleman from utah, so i want to follow up on what he said, but before i do, i want to point out the republican study committee, which i believe many of us -- all of us are members of and actively part of, is putting together a plan that has $2.6 trillion in cuts identified already that would 15:08:44occur over the next 10 years. an amazing set of proposal that to me, as we stand here today in the majority, john boehner is our speaker that we nominated, we elected, and we're still talk about spending being the number one issue, 15:08:58that's how committed we are. going back to the gentleman's statement, he was talking abthe general welfare clause in the preamble and i thought i'd bring up a point, it says to 15:09:13promote the general welfare, not provide the general welfare. interesting distinction what a notion we have taken from a central government role to want to provide for everyone. if you go one clause prior to that it says provide for common defense. 15:09:26not promote, but provide common defense and promote the general welfare. two distinct differences in clauses and we've certainly mistaken that second clause there. Akin (R-MO):that is such a good point, i don't think it does any harm to repeat that. 15:09:43let's go back through it again. we're talking about the preamble to the u.s. constitution, sets the whole framework for what this country rests on. you've got two words that are loaded with meaning. the first one is the general defense, that's national 15:10:00security, and the general defense is general. security for every state, for every american, rich or poor, black or white, male or female, when americans are secure, americans are secure and we use federal money to do something 15:10:16general, it's not to encourage it, it's to provide for that. Graves, T. (R-GA):clearly the word is provide for the common defense. the next phrase or clause is then promote general welfare. not provide but promote the 15:10:32general welfare. Akin (R-MO):they wanted to help make that point and define the fact that to to the promote yen welfare is not a clause big enough to run tanks through and say that anything that seems 15:10:48like a nice thing to do for somebody is constitutional. Graves, T. (R-GA):you're right. i will wrap up with this, two quotes from two very different presidents. ronald reagan once said that revenue is not the problem, spending is the problem. 15:11:03we all know that. but then another quote is this -- interesting. increasing america's debt weakens us domestically and internationally. leadership means the buck stops here. 15:11:19instead, washington is shifting the burden of bad choices today onto the backs of our children and grandchildren, america has a debt problem and a failure of leadership. Akin (R-MO):who was it that said that? 15:11:35ronald reagan? Graves, T. (R-GA):americas deserve bert, end quote. then-senator barack obama. Akin (R-MO):there's a big difference between senate and presidency. Graves, T. (R-GA):big difference. but he's absolutely correct 15:11:51that america has a debt problem and a failure of leadership. mr. president, here's your opportunity. Akin (R-MO):and the interesting thing is, if you take george bush's biggest deficit year, which was when speaker pelosi was here in congress, which was twine, or was it -- was 2009, 15:12:09or was it -- yes, it was 2009. his biggest deficit was 1/3 of the first obama, which was $1.4 trillion. what's the connection between the quote and the action? i think what we need to do is 15:12:23take a very, very good look at what really is constitutional. Graves, T. (R-GA):the connection is, in his quote a failure of leadership. Akin (R-MO):a failure of leadership. his own words. Graves, T. (R-GA):his own words. Akin (R-MO):thank you, 15:12:39congressman. it's been a treat to have you here this afternoon. i want to run back to utah to plimy good friend congressman bishop. Bishop, R. (R-UT):thank you. i do appreciate the congressman from georgia talking about the difference between to provide 15:12:54and to promote. let me go with one historical example of how that works. one of your earlier questions was how do we handle this spending problem? part of it is we have to think outside the box and make some things that are common assumptions not necessarily 15:13:10have to survive. instead of going with some issues we're funding right now which may be too close to people, let me go back to history. in most of the history books i do, that i have seen, i taught high school history, they talk about how this nation came together with the uniting of 15:13:27the railroads, the u.p. and central pacific joining together and how the federal government subsidized that process and it was the only viable way of getting that done. we provided the railroad system. one of the concepts, though, as i was reading another book and 15:13:41took a closer look on the issue, is that not only did the federal government help with this railroad building craze, but the idea that the federal government became involved changed the mechanism in which railroads were built and the kinds of ways they were built. we paid railroads for every 15:13:59mile of track that was laid. which meant you gave them more money if they went to a mountainous route than on flat land system of many of those routes took a very circuitous 15:14:11route going through some elevated terrain because they got more money than if they had just take an simpler, flat route. one of the -- i won't mention which one, but they refused to put up masonry supports. they put up wooden culverts 15:14:25only for their train tracks. in the winter they lay track over ice, which meant as soon as the thaw chame, the tracks disappeared. much of our railroad system had to be rebuilt within two years of its actual completion. 15:14:40i live in the state of utah and my only national monument is the golden spike national monument in my district in which both the union pacific and central pacific came and they passed one another, continuing to lay track because they were paid for it by the federal government until 15:14:56congress finally told them knock this off and link up somewhere. they picked prom oner to summit in -- they picked promontory summit in my county to link up. ironically, hill built a 15:15:15northern railroad that went from chicago to seattle and he did it without any government subsidies whatsoever he paid private property for renting his lines even during the panic. it survived. it was functional. 15:15:31it was profitable. sometimes we make assumptions that only the federal government has the ability of doing things when in reality we don't. and we forget that once again if we were to make states a true partner with us in projects, states have the ability of being creative much more than we do. 15:15:48they have the ability of providing justice more than we do. if the states make a mistake it doesn't harm the entire country. i think obamacare may be one of those particular examples where state creativity was going on a proper road with some wonderful 15:16:03ideas that were stop dead in their tracks, no pun intended, by bomb care. Akin (R-MO):you know, it's interesting you talk about -- there was a great little short book, and i don't remember the title of the gentleman that came out with some of the facts you mentioned and it was a 15:16:20study of how the government in the 1800's got involved in the sixth major industries in america because the assumption was that the federal government has to get involved in these big industries to make us competitive in an industrial world. 15:16:35they got involved in the oil industry, the steam ship industry, the steel industry, of course, the railroad industry. and the example you're talking about, again, the government created this incentive that you're paid by the mile. so among other things they did 15:16:51was they used cheap steel rails which wore out right away and wooden ties that were not treated and also they wouldn't blast which was expensive to go up a steep grade but they'd make these long routes back and 15:17:07forth. so the result was the company that used all the government money had a completely -- a rail line was you couldn't maintain it. and as you said, the northern route was done totally with private money. they had the scrap and borrowed a little piece at a time. at the end of what they could 15:17:24build they'd form a little town and they'd give them free shipping to encourage the trade and they built the radar in pieces that way using the cash that they had and that, like the other industries, the steam ship, steel and oil industries, 15:17:38the same pattern occurred where the federal government got involved, the businesses that were using federal money all went bankrupt. and so there's an example where you, again, think the government's got to get involved. the answer was every time the 15:17:53government got involved the companies went bankrupt. and so that's a good principle. let's get over, though, to take a look at this big picture of how in the world do we deal with the budget. one of the big things that everybody's been taking a look 15:18:09at -- and i know you know this, gentleman -- and that is that we have this new category that is called sbimets, that as we pass some law the law then runs like a machine and spits out money to people. if you get enough of those 15:18:25machines going spending money pretty soon you spend a lot of money. we've gotten to the point where medicare, medicaid, social security are spending almost half of the revenue that the government's taking in. so when you deal with that, as we take a look at overspending, people have projected that if 15:18:42you let social security, medicare and medicaid continue as they are there will come a time when there will be no money for anything else in the budget at all. these are some of the hard choices that we have to face. it seems to me, gentleman, as you -- as we have made an 15:18:58emphasis on the constitution -- in fact, we have in the rules package that was passed yesterday, we have created a new mandate that every bill that comes to this floor has to 15:19:10have a constitutional justification. and i think that's the start of where we really have to get at this problem and that is, what really is the job of the federal government and can we afford to be all things to all people? 15:19:22i just want to let you piggyback on that. Bishop, R. (R-UT):i appreciate that very well because to be very honest, this is not an easy task which this congress faces. Akin (R-MO):no. Bishop, R. (R-UT):we have spent -- we probably spent eight, nine 15:19:38decades digging the hole in which we are in to think there is a simple way of getting out of it. it's naive to think that we can get out of it. we need to move in terms of a general direction to go there. 15:19:53i'm very proud the rules that were passed yesterday will enable this body, if we decide to do it, to take the time to think outside the box with new ideas. the idea that for the first time we have -- since the 1960's, we have set aside 15:20:09specific time during the day so that the committees could function. roll out every member of this floor to sit and work in a committee to come up with ideas to reach this goal of how we can control or at least limit the runaway spending that we have. 15:20:26Akin (R-MO):i need to stop and interrupt a minute here because you'll never say this but, congressman bishop, you were one of the main people that helped put that rule in place. and i think the whole country needs to say a big thank you to you because what you're doing 15:20:41is trying to make congress just a little more efficient and do a few commonsense things. now, a lot of people might not say thinking outside the box but the box is small down here sometimes and you provided us with the idea that we're actually going to get into some of these questions and we're 15:20:57going to approach them in a systematic kind of way, we are going to not have votes run all day long and say, systematically, what do we have to do to deal with this problem? i congratulate you on that 15:21:13first step. also the rules package that says you got to have a constitutional justification for everything you bring to the floor. i think we're starting on the right spot. Bishop, R. (R-UT):you make me embarrassed right here. i wish i could take full credit for the time management plans that we are implementing here. 15:21:29i may have said it but somebody else had to make a decision and go forward with it. i think it was the right thing to do because it requires us instead of us running around in circles like a bunch of squirrels on a thread mill or chip munks on a treadmill so 15:21:48that we are on the floor it makes a difference. let me give you another historical difference. i believe it was in the first congress that the issue came up of postal roads, where to draw 15:22:03the line, where would the postal roads for the new post office go? there is some kind of economic benefit of having actually mail dropped on a route but congress, eager to get out, said let's just allow the president, the executive branch 15:22:17to decide where the postal routes will be which seems to be a logical thing to do. i believe it was congressman page from virginia who stood up and said no. our job of congress is to legislate which includes taking 15:22:33the time to agree on where those postal routes will go. it is not our responsibility to give it to an executive branch or a bureaucracy or some other group to come up with all the details. and he forced congress to stay 15:22:49there and they did their job. too often we as members simply have a tendency of coming up with a grand and noble idea and they say, all right, we'll empower -- i think the language in the tarp bill is a perfect example of where we empowered the secretary of treasury to 15:23:04make all kinds of decisions which were legislative decisions by their very nature. well, i hope the schedule allows us to do and what you were talking about is to say we have a great deal of work to be done here, we're still looking at ideas. there may -- i'm sure there are 15:23:21great ideas out there that will be coming from the people as time goes on but we need to dedicate the time, not simply running around in circles playing silly games but coming here and zourg in on our task and it was -- zeroing in on our task and it was said by you, 15:23:43the gentleman from georgia. spending is hurting americans, that's what bloating our budget. we need to zero in on that. and until we do that we will never come close to meeting what the american people expect of congress to do nor what we really morally need to do. 15:23:58i yield back to the gentleman. Akin (R-MO):well, i think that ronald reagan, you know, he had a way of putting complicated ways in simple words. 15:24:07he said, we're buying more government than we can afford. that's not a bad summary of the situation, and it hasn't gotten better since ronald reagan was here. we're buying more government than we can afford. i appreciate your historic examples. of course, there's no way 15:24:22congress can do the example of the postal roads that you made out when we're trying to basically do everything under the sun be all things to all people. we have to make some decisions saying this is a nice thing to do but it could be done by a 15:24:38state government or it could be done by the private sector. and we're going to have to make some of those choices and just say, look, there are some things that the private sector and the states cannot do, and we better fund that first. and certainly providing for the 15:24:54common defense is one that has to be up at the front end because the other governments can't do that and the individual citizens cannot do that. whereas when it comes to some of the other kinds of things, such as in the energy areas or education or insurance or a lot 15:25:11of those things, they could be done by other governments. when we say, let's do something that feels good about this subject and turn it to a bunch of administration bureaucrats, we really lost control of where we are. 15:25:27and i appreciate your bringing us back to ground zero. now, there have been some shifts. here's one that's kind of interesting, and it's the tradeoff. they always talk about the tradeoff between guns and butter, between defense and basically welfare programs. if you go back to 1965, the 15:25:48entitlement spending was 2.5% of the overall budget of g.d.p. -- excuse me, percent of g.d.p., 2.5% in 1965 was entitlement. 15:26:00defense was 7.4%. now we've shifted to 2010, the estimate is 4.9% is national defense. we've gone from 7.4% down to 4.9% while entitlements has gone from 2.9% to 9.9% in 15:26:21entitlements and that's getting to that area where if entitlements continue to climb as if you just look at demographics, there will be no money for defense or anything else and the budget will be dominated by just simply 15:26:33medicare and medicaid and social security. so we're going to have ask ourselves, what are the top priorities? we're going to have to fund those and do a good job of those. that's what i was trying to get at. i don't think we have the mentality of take 10% out of 15:26:48everything or 30% out of everything. i think we have to make some decisions. some we may not want to cut, we need to make them more efficient and leave money in it. others, we don't need the thing at all. let's get rid of that entire functional area. 15:27:04and that's where we have to be going. but, again, where we started today is the right place with the u.s. constitution and making the key distinctions that the constitution makes so clear. there's a difference for providing for defense and then in basically encouraging the 15:27:21general welfare. i appreciate your very specific historic examples. if you remember the name of that -- there was a book. i don't know if it was the same one you were quoting from that had the examples of those six industries, all of them where 15:27:35the government was then subsidizing the corporations, there was all kinds of corruption and the companies all failed and the ones that stayed away from government funding are the ones that stayed in business. it's a fascinating study. Bishop, R. (R-UT):if i could add one comment to that. 15:27:52Akin (R-MO):yeah. Bishop, R. (R-UT):it's not that the federal government will always be bad and incompetent of doing things. the problem the federal government has is the size of the federal government. any big industry has waste, fraud and abuse, and that's is one of the reasons why if we 15:28:08could coordinate and work with local government, that's why the old cliche the government spends closest to the people. it's not because they're better or smarter. it's because they don't have the problem of size in a wrun size fits all issue and -- 15:28:27one-size-fits-all issue. you are talking about entitlements. this is an area in which creativity will be the most important element and some things especially with the cost of medicare are driven by one-size-fits-all federal 15:28:40mandates and federal decisions when allowing creativity could help us solve the problem. i want to say one thing too when you talk about the general defense is so significant. it's not because we are funding for the defense of the america today. the decisions we make, the 15:28:55plans we make for defense today will not come to fruition for another 10 to 15 years. and indeed, indeed the ability for us -- indeed the ability 15:29:07for us to have diplomacy in the future depends on wise decisions we make today. i appreciate the gentleman from missouri coming with this issue. this is something that the people care about, it's something that congress cares about. i think the fact that we just 15:29:20passed a 5% cut on ourselves with an overwhelming bipartisan support says that -- this is the direction we should be taking and we should continue to talk about this over and over and over again. i appreciate you allowing me to be part of this. Akin (R-MO):it's just a treat to congressman bishop to have you 15:29:38here with us today talking about a very important subject, something that is on the front of the minds of i think many americans understanding that we have -- we are buying way too much government than we can afford. 15:29:53and certainly the guiding compass and the guiding light for us has got to be the u.s. constitution and the fact is that we had hundreds of years of history -- at least 100 years of history where the constitution -- and where we get away from our foundational 15:30:10documents and principles, that's when we really start to get into trouble. and the principle on defense that was just made -- have to underscore -- i am on the armed services committee. we deal with defense issues day in and day out, and the problem in defense is that the things 15:30:26that are on the drawing board today won't be fielded for probably 10 years in the future, so decisions that we're making today are going to have their effect a long way out. that's why we have to be 15:30:43particularly careful. the situation in defense is one that as you take a look around the world, we are rapidly being challenged by china and russia and we do not -- are not keeping up in those arms situations where we do not have 15:30:59the capability, diplomatically to have options that were otherwise available before when we had put enough funding into defense system of as we see entitlements increasing way, way, way up and defense being cut down as a percentage of 15:31:15g.d.p., we are risking not doing the most fundamental principle in the preamble of the constitution which is providing for the national defense. our objective, of course, is not parity. 15:31:29we're not trying to be equal with other nations. our objective is to be overwhelmingly superior. that's why we don't have wars. because of the fact that people say, we don't want to take on the united states and it's why we can be a great nation of peacekeeping, because of the 15:31:46fact that we have been strong and successful and set a good example for other nations. so what we have before us is a very difficult question, it is the question of politics in america. if you take a look at all the 15:32:01fight the debates, the discussion that go on in politics in america, most of it resolves around this question, and that is, what should the federal government be doing? should it be spending more or less or be doing that at all or are we doing a good enough job? 15:32:18that's what the discussion and debate is about. until we get back to the constitution, until we start asking the questions, is it necessary for the federal government to do this function, we will never solve this problem of overspending. the current congress, and this 15:32:33is my opinion, but one that i think other congressmen and i have -- that i have discussed this with share, that is, we have another problem. that is the house and the congress is a product of a lot of time. there are various fief doms and 15:32:52ways -- fiefdoms and ways we have gotten used to doing things which may not be logically or practical. i have been here 10 years, i have learned about authorizations and appropriations and the budget committee and the way we do things but if we're going to 15:33:06seriously get at this problem other than shaving a few percent here and there, if we're going to seriously get at the problem of having to radically reduce our appetite for spending, it's going to require changes in the structure of this congress. that will be one of the things that you can see we've already 15:33:24started on and are continuing and pledging to continue to do, to take a look at our rules and how the organization is set up so we can make those hard choices and decisions. there's been a commitment that those decisions would be made in a transparent way, in a way 15:33:41that everybody who was elected to be a congressman so that every district in this country will have somebody that can stand up and have an opportunity to weigh in and have an opinion. you won't see, as we had in the last congress, bills that are being written in the speaker's 15:33:55office and brought to the floor and rammed through in the dead of night. you're going to hear open debate, a lot of discussion, and a lot of ideas being 15:34:06discussed and i think that's a good thing and a proper thing. but ultimately, we have to deal with the question, what are the essential functions that must happen in federal government? i've just heard there are going to be some very significant 15:34:20cuts in defense. that's very concerning to me. why would we be taking the defense department and doing major cuts there and no other department in government is being looked at? this is something that some of us will probably react to some because we believe we have to 15:34:36control spending, but why do you single out the department of defense? we're fighting two wars, why whack that budget when you have these other budgets that have never been touched whatsoever. so we have to take a look at those percentages. when you see entitlements going very, very high, defense budget 15:34:54going low that signals we have to be careful about the choices we're making because the choices we make today, 10 years from now, your sons and daughters, or my grandsons and granddaughters, may be affected by those choices. so we start out a new congress, 15:35:13i think, on the right foot. emphasis on the u.s. constitution. emphasis on the fact that we have to be responsible. emphasis on the fact that everybody in every congressional district is going to have a piece of the action and the fact that we're going to have to be responsible, 15:35:28we're going to have to be cutting federal spending. you cannot run as we have in the first two years of the obama administration with a $1.4 trillion deficit. that will stop. i thank you very much, madam 15:35:43speaker and i yield back. THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE:under the speaker's announced policy of january 5, 2011, the gentleman from california, mr. garamendi, is recognized for 60 minutes as the designee for the minority leader. Garamendi (D-CA):madam speaker, 15:36:26it's a great privilege to be here on the floor with you and congratulations to you and the other new members of the republican party. we have some extraordinarily important tasks ahead of us. this afternoon, i'm going to be joined by my colleagues and 15:36:46with the consent of the house, i'd like to enter into a colloquy with them so i request that. THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE:without objection, so ordered. Garamendi (D-CA):thank you. we've got -- we've just heard a 15:37:00very useful discussion on the role of the constitution and how it plays into it and indeed, today, we did spend a couple of -- actually, about three hours reading through the constitution. i think it was to all of our benefit. 15:37:15we started off with the new speaker, actually reading the preamble. i think that's a good place for us to start. we're going to discuss health care today and we're going to discuss an effort by the majority party, the 15:37:32republicans, to repeal the affordable health care act that was passed last session. in that -- and this issue has become a constitutional issue so reading the preamble to the constitution and section 1, 15:37:51article 8, is useful. we the people of the united states, in order to form a more perfect union, establish justice, ensure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the 15:38:04general welfare -- promote the general welfare -- and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and to our posterity do ordain and establish this constitution of the united states. 15:38:18then later in article 1, section 8, congress shall have the power to lay and collect taxes, duties, impose and excises to pay the debt and provide for the common defense 15:38:34and general welfare of the united states. it's about the general welfare of the united states that we'll be discussing in this next hour. and that's the welfare of the people of the united states. 15:38:50speaks to us, the citizens. all of us, whether we are a newborn baby or a senior in the last of life. how do we provide for that 15:39:04general welfare? last year, in a major step forward, the first time in more than -- in nearly four decades this congress, together with the senate and president, passed the affordable health 15:39:18care act. a very, very important and extremely useful step in providing for the welfare that is, the general welfare, of the american population. it's a law that makes life 15:39:35better from birth to retirement. part of this law, very, very important part of it, deals with what we call the patients' bill of rights. the patient's bill of rights 15:39:52vis-a-vis the insurance industry. i think all of us can go back to our districts, our homes, even to our own lives and find numerous episodes where the insurance industry has said, no 15:40:08you cannot have this procedure. or no, you cannot have coverage. because you have a pre-existing condition. today, we are going to talk about the patients' bill of rights and the republican 15:40:26effort that is now under way in rules committee in this building as we speak to write a rule that will bring to the floor next week without one hearing to completely wipe out this extraordinarily important 15:40:46effort to provide for the general welfare of the american people. we're going to discuss that in great detail. for me, this is a very important part of my life. i spent eight years of my life 15:41:02as the insurance commissioner in california, taking on the insurance companies, trying to force them to honor their commitments. to force the insurance companies to pay the claim of a patient who had undergone 15:41:21chemotherapy. to provide insurance that was contracted for and not to rescind that health care policy. i cannot even begin to count the number of cases that came before me as insurance commissioner where the 15:41:35insurance companies would rescind a policy because the person suddenly became ill and had a very expensive episode. the patients' bill of rights prohibits that. 15:41:51we're going to talk about that. i want to start here and then i'm going to turn this over to my colleagues. i'm going to give an example of a very dear friend who lived here in washington, he was a peace corps volunteer, married, was working here in washington, d.c. as the director of the 15:42:09national peace corps association of returned volunteers, had a child. that child had a severe disability. kidneys didn't work. 15:42:25he was insured, his wife was insured, the pregnancy was insured, the delivery was insured, but that child on the day the child was born with that pre-existing condition of kidney failure, was uninsurable 15:42:43under the parents' policy. that kind of action is prohibited by the patients' bill of rights. no more would that happen. men and women, families, 15:42:57pregnant women across this country that deliver a baby that has some problem, that baby will be insured, whatever the condition might be. our colleagues on the republican side will bring to 15:43:11this floor next wednesday without one hearing in any relevant policy committee a repeal of the patient's bill of rights. and what of? what of the babies that are born in the future that have 15:43:32some issue? how will they be provided for? the rest of the story is, this family has spent 20 years now struggling to provide for health care services that their 15:43:47child needed. they have been close to bankruptcy many, many times. they've struggled through it. the child is no longer a child a young adult. and under the law today he has 15:44:06health insurance. because that's what the american public wants from the republican party, the repeal of that? the bill of rights that 15:44:19guarantees coverage for that young man. i think not. let me now turn to our colleague from the great state of virginia, bobby scott, would you please share with us your own views and how this is going to affect the general welfare 15:44:35of the american people. Scott, R. (D-VA):thank you and i appreciate your hard work and thank you for organizing this special order so we can discuss the problems with repealing health care. you've gone all through the need for health care during your life and how the bill provides assistance for those 15:44:50with pre-existing conditions. limits insurance company abuses like what's called rescission when you paid your premiums all these years and then finally get sick and they want to cancel your policy right when you need it. 15:45:05lifetime and annual limits on benefits when they pay a certain amount and once they get to that, you can be in the middle of a treatment and they're not going to pay another dime for the rest of your life, or at least for the rest of that year. there are many people with chronic diseases who hit up 15:45:22these limits very frequently. talk about young people on their parent's policies who are working, finally get a job, it doesn't cover benefits up to 26 years old, they can stay on their parents' policies. talked about prevention, the 15:45:38importance of prevention a lot of people because of co-payments and deducksables can't afford their -- deductibles can't afford their annual checkups, this provides for that. for those senior citizens in the doughnut hole, where they 15:45:54get no benefits, adding insult to injury, have to continue to pay their premiums and get no benefit, we have assistance for them. no hearings, no nothing, just put a label on it, call it obamacare, and then expect 15:46:11people to go along with the repeal. you just can't label things and expect people by virtue of the label to take action. they call it government-run health care. no government-run health care is a singlepayer plan. 15:46:27that was defeated. the option of a public option would have been nice. it would be nice talking about choice, the plan that's on the books today, they have the choice of all the plans that anybody wants to sell insurance 15:46:42in their state. they have a choice of all of them. it would be nice to have an additional choice, a choice of a public option where you have the choice of a policy that is not run by a for-profit corporation with a financial interest in denying you 15:46:58coverage or canceling your policy. it would be nice to have that option. you don't have to take it but it would be nice to have that option. one of the things that we want to make sure that we have as many options as possible, 15:47:13including a public option if we can ever get there, but when they talk about replace -- repeal and replace, there's no replace in the rules they suggested. they just want to repeal. we want to know what they want to replace it with, what 15:47:29they'll leave out. will they leave out where people with pre-existing conditions get covered? no. they going to tell young people under age of 26 to get off their parent's policies? 15:47:44are they requesting to tell those in the doughnut -- are they going to tell those in the doughnut hole to get back to the doughnut hole where they belong? are they going to tell those who run out of coverage because of the limits that, no, you just -- what's -- that's 15:48:02enough. you can't get more coverage? what are they going to tell all of those people? we need to make sure that we keep these policies of these provisions intact. i have no idea what they want to replace it with, but i think if they went step by step and 15:48:18the people looked at the provisions of the bill they would elect to keep everything that's in the bill today. now, there's some things that people don't like. when you have a good plan you have to pay for it. and unfortunately they're taxing it because we're fiscally responsible. 15:48:33when we passed it we were under pay-go. now they repealed a lot of that so they can go trillions of dollars in the ditch without paying for it. we paid for it. and in fact c.b.o. originally said that the first 10 years of the program would save the 15:48:50budget deficit, would reduce the deficit by $140 billion. now, the estimate is $200 15:49:02billion-some in the next 10 years. so it is fiscally responsible. there is things that we can do better, and we need to oppose the repeal of this health care to make sure that people have the protections and the 15:49:13patients bill of riles that they have under this legislation. Garamendi (D-CA):thank you. you raised about seven of the major issues that's involved in this repeal that the republicans will bring to this floor next wednesday without 15:49:27one hearing in any relevant policy committee. a repeal that will affect every single american and affect their well-being, their health, their ability to get health insurance, their ability to stay healthy. so we have an enormous issue 15:49:44before us, and we want the american public to be aware of what's going on here. it is the repeal of the patients bill of rights. let's take -- let me move on to one of our other colleagues from tennessee, mr. steven 15:50:01cohen, if you'll join us, please. Cohen (D-TN):thank you. i appreciate the opportunity to share with you. i want to first start because this day has been a day starting with the reading of the constitution which is a document we all revere. i have a little pocket copy of it right here, and we revere 15:50:16it, we pledge when we take our oath of office to protect and defend and support the constitution. but we all know that it's interpreted by a supreme court and more supreme court history would have been better today 15:50:31for people to understand. and you mentioned that the foundation of the particular health care bill is in the preamble. we the people of the united states to form a more perfect union, establish justice, etc., promote the general welfare. also, in article 1, which is the legislative article, 15:50:47section 8, it says that the congress shall have the power to regulate commerce among the several states. and further, it says in article 1 that the congress should have authority to make all laws which shall be necessary and 15:51:03proper for carry in execution the foregoing powers and all other powers vested by this constitution of the government of the united states or any department or office thereof. so in my opinion -- i'm a lawyer but there's lawyers on both sides. there's plenty of justification 15:51:17for this health care bill. do you know next week when the republicans will try to repeal this opportunity for americans to get health care and to wipe out these pre-existing conditions clauses, etc., will be coming under the idea that 15:51:35health care is not part of the general welfare? will they be coming on a constitutional argument that people can't require to buy insurance even though we 15:51:51require people to sign up for the draft and lose their liberty for a while and serve in the army and we can do that, we can script soldiers, is that what they will say? or will they say what mr. scott said, it's not good policy to 15:52:11have people until age 26 to be on their parent's policy? what's their tactics, sir? Garamendi (D-CA):well, i'll assume that they'll try to go into their interpretation of the constitution and avoid the 15:52:27very difficult argument of forcing -- or eliminating the patients bill of rights and allowing the insurance companies to engage in gross discrimination based upon sex, 15:52:42clearly women are discriminated against the health insurance company unless the patients bill of rights is there to protect them. similarly, the two examples you gave, pre-existing conditions, i can't imagine they would attempt to successfully or even 15:52:57would be unsuccessful argue that somehow these protections for the individual are not worth having. i think they'll go into some obscure interpretation of the constitution. we'll see. 15:53:12it's going to be a debate on the floor. unfortunately there will be no hearings to precede that, and there will not be a discussion of the details. Cohen (D-TN):and they will control the amendments that will be permitted to be discussed on this floor. i know speaker boehner said we will be able to have amendments and be able to have good -- due 15:53:32course. Garamendi (D-CA):i saw you at rules committee earlier today. it's my impression that the rules committee will prohibit any amendments on the floor. we'll see. i mean, that has yet to be decided by the rules committee. 15:53:45we don't know. surely the one amendment i would propose is don't do it. maintain the patients bill of rights. maintain these protections that we all need. there's not a person in this 15:53:57nation that is not subject to the possibility of an incident that would become a reason for rescission. that's my experience. eight years hammering the insurance industry, you've got 15:54:11to honor your contract. yet, because of the laws, they were able to wiggle out of an expensive incident. Cohen (D-TN):when i was a child, i had polio when i was 5 years old in 1954. i was fortunate my father was a doctor, and so sometimes professional courtesy, but i'm 15:54:28sure he had insurance that covered my hospitalization. but there were years later, i think it was 11 years later, i had a tendon that was immediately related to my polio and necessary on my achilles' tendon. that would not have been permitted, necessarily, if they 15:54:45used a pre-existing condition such as polio to deny coverage, and whether or not how my father dealt with the expense and whether it's because he was a physician, i don't know, but i'd hate to see children in the same situation and parents in the same situation not be permitted to get that type of coverage later on. 15:55:01Garamendi (D-CA):well, i don't know if you remember congress at the time, but we all under this law would have the same policy that every american would have. we wouldn't have any different policy than the american public would have, and the question about rescission, i mean, 15:55:17you're a prime candidate, should you lose office, which you shouldn't, to be uninsurable if the patients bills of rights were repealed. under the patients bill of riles, if you were to leave congress you could get an insurance coverage under -- 15:55:36because the pre-existing condition that you have, polio, and an operation resulting from the polio would go into play as a pre-existing condition and you would not be able to get an insurance policy. 15:55:50Cohen (D-TN):let me, if i can, read something that i had prepared today. it came from a constituent's story. john hopkins. and i know john hopkins. very important and active citizen in my community and contemporary. he sent me an email. and mr. hopkins requested i share this story with the house 15:56:08as we consider a repeal of the affordable care act. i want to share it with everybody here on c-span. john was diagnosed with two unrelated cancers during his life. if you know anything about 15:56:23cancer, getting it twice for unrelated reasons is almost unheard of. but it happened to john hopkins. midway through his first bout with cancer he was, of course, dropped from his health insurance plan. he was left with a medical bill that wiped out his and his wife's entire retirement 15:56:41savings as well as the value of their house. they were never able to repay the debt in his lifetime. when he had the second bout of cancer, he had no insurance because nobody would give him a 15:56:57policy because of the pre-existing condition. he got some plan in tennessee for uninsurables but it was limited to $250,000 a year. as we all know, annual limits are set to be phased out by 2014 because of this law, and lifetime limits are already a 15:57:13thing of the past. a quarter of a million dollars may seem like a lot of coverage, but when somebody needs something like a bone marrow transplant to cure their leukemia, that single treatment would exceed the annual cap. my republican colleagues have 15:57:29decided their first priority as the new majority will be repealing the affordable care act. and when they vote to do this, they will be voting for the following -- denying mr. hopkins the ability to enroll in a health insurance plan that doesn't discriminate against him for daring to be diagnosed 15:57:45with cancer again. they will deny john hopkins the ability to enroll in a health plan that will actually continue to cover his treatments after he exhausts a current annual cap of $250,000. an amount that many cancer patients meet in a matter of 15:58:00weeks upon diagnosis, let alone those fighting two cancers over a number of years. and they will send a message to john hopkins that -- and every other single american that's ever been diagnosed with -- or will ever be diagnosed with a disease like cancer, that they're on their own when it comes to coverage, that, sure, 15:58:16they're free to get treatments and under go laborous surgeries or try to keep it under the annual cap because treating cancer, it should be -- mr. 15:58:35garamendi, i'm ashamed that we're considering a repeal of this affordable health care bill. when i think of $250,000 and the fact that the republicans were against any caps on insurance -- on taxes, they realized $250,000 annual income 15:58:50in many places a middle income salary. 15:58:55but for limitations on health care, they think the insurance companies should determine that and that's enough. and if you've got cancer it's not enough. another friend of mine, facebooked me, jimmy. he worked long time for a company in memphis. always been successful. 15:59:10he lost his job with that corporation because he had high cholesterol, he had difficulties getting insurance and it took him a long time to find private insurance because of that pre-existing condition. he just sent me this on 15:59:27facebook. he friended me and he wanted me to relate it. there are so many people in this country that are getting benefits and many benefits don't get into effect until 2014. and the idea that this congress, the 112th, as its 15:59:43first act, would do such harm to the general welfare and the american public, is hard to fathom. Garamendi (D-CA):your closing sentence needs to be repeated. that the very first piece of 15:59:59legislation taken up by the new republican majority in the 112th congress is to repeal the patients bill of rights, it's unfathomable. let me now call on frank pallone, our colleague from the great state of, yes, it
ABC SPLIT SCREEN HOUSE INTELLIGENCE COMMITTEE PUBLIC IMPEACHMENT HEARINGS SESSION 7 - 12:00-14:00/ DR. FIONA HILL AND DAVID HOLMES P3
DMG RTR 4 HOUSE INTEL IMPEACHMENT HEARING HILL AND HOLMES SPLIT SCREEN 112019 090633 SCHIFF Good morning, everyone. This is the seventh in a series of public hearings the committee will be holding as part of the house of representatives' impeachment inquiry. Without objection, the chair is authorized to declare a recess of the committee at any time. There is a quorum present. We will proceed today in the same fashion as our other hearings. I'll make an opening statement, then ranking member Nunes will have an opportunity to make a statement. Then we will turn to our witnesses for their opening statements and then to questions. 090700 For audience members, we welcome you and respect your interest in being here. In turn, we ask for your respect as we proceed with today's hearing. It is the intention of the committee to proceed without disruptions. As chairman, I'll take all necessary and appropriate steps to maintain order and ensure that the committee is run in accordance with house rules and house resolution 660. With that, I now recognize myself to give an opening statement on the impeachment inquiry into Donald J. Trump, the 45th president of the United States. 090727 Yesterday morning, the committee heard from ambassador Gordon sondland. The American ambassador to the European union, the de facto leader of the three amigos who had regular access to president Donald trump and pressed the new Ukrainian president Vladimir zelensky for two investigations trump believed would help his re-election campaign. The first investigation was of a discredited conspiracy theory that Ukraine and not Russia was responsible for interfering in our 2016 election. 090759 The second investigation was into the political rival Trump apparently feared most, Joe Biden. Trump sought to weaken Biden and to refute the fact that his own election had been helped by a Russian hacking and dumping operation and Russian social media campaign directed by Vladimir Putin. Trump's scheme stood in contrast to the longstanding bipartisan foreign policy of the United States, by undermining military and diplomatic support for a key ally and set back U.S. Anti-corruption efforts in Ukraine. 090830 In conditioning a meeting with Zelensky and then military aid on securing an investigation of his rival, Trump put his personal and political interests above the United States. As Ambassador Sondland would later tell career Foreign Service Officer David Holmes immediately after speaking to the President, Trump "did not give a [expletive]" about Ukraine. He cares about "'big stuff'" that benefits him "like the 'Biden investigation' that Giuliani was pushing." 090900 David Holmes is here with us today. He is a Foreign Service Officer currently serving as the Political Counselor at the U.S. Embassy in Kyiv. Also with us is Dr. Fiona Hill, whose job as the National Security Council's Senior Director for European and Russian Affairs encompassed the coordination of U.S. policy towards Ukraine. Dr. Hill left the NSC in July, after more than two years in that position. Dr. Hill and Mr. Holmes each provide a unique perspective on issues relating to Ukraine-Dr. Hill from Washington, D.C., and Mr. Holmes from on the ground in Kyiv. 090933 In early 2019, Dr. Hill became concerned by the increasing prominence of Rudy Giuliani, the President's personal lawyer, who was, as she has testified, "asserting quite frequently on television in public appearances that he had been given some authority over matters related to Ukraine." Hill was not alone in her concerns. Her boss, National Security Advisor John Bolton, was also paying attention, as were other NSC and State Department officials, including Holmes at the U.S. Embassy in Kyiv. Bolton viewed Giuliani as "a hand grenade that is going to blow everybody up," and was powerless to prevent the former mayor from engineering former U.S. Ambassador to Ukraine Marie Yovanovitch's firing in late April or her recall. 091020 Holmes, was stunned by "the intensity and consistency of the media attacks" on Yovanovitch "by name as a U.S. Ambassador and the scope of the allegations that were leveled against her." Yovanovitch's dismissal, as a result of Giuliani's smear campaign, was one of several things that unsettled Dr. Hill. Another was the role of Gordon Sondland, who emerged as a key player in Ukraine policy in May when he was named as part of the U.S. delegation led by Secretary Rick Perry to President Zelensky's inauguration. 091054 Lieutenant Colonel Alexander Vindman also attended the inauguration and, as Holmes recalls, during a meeting with President Zelensky, took the opportunity to advise the new Ukraine leader to stay out of U.S. domestic politics. Another concern that arose for Dr. Hill around this time was her discovery of a potential NSC back channel on Ukraine. Hill learned that an NSC staff member who did not work on Ukraine and for her, may have been providing Ukraine-related information to President Trump that Dr. Hill was not made aware of. 091128 According to Holmes, following the Zelensky inauguration, Sondland and Perry took "a very active and unconventional role in formulating our priorities for the new Zelensky administration and personally reaching out to President Zelensky and his senior team." Sondland's newfound assertiveness also concerned Dr. Hill, who previously had enjoyed a cordial working relationship with the ambassador. On June 18, 2019, Hill "had a blow-up" with Sondland when he told her that he was in charge of Ukraine policy. 091159 Dr. Hill testified that Sondland "got testy with me. And I said, 'who has put you in charge of it?'. He said: 'The President.'" On July 10th, Dr. Hill was part of a meeting at the White House with a group of U.S. and Ukrainian officials, including Bolton, Sondland, and Energy Secretary Perry, another of the Three Amigos. The meeting was intended, among other things, to give the Ukrainians an opportunity to convey that they "were anxious to set up a meeting, a first meeting" between their new president and President Trump. 091231 Sondland interjected to inform the group that, according to acting White House Chief of Staff Mick Mulvaney, the White House meeting sought by the Ukrainian president with Trump would happen if Ukraine undertook certain investigations. Hearing this, Bolton abruptly ended the meeting. Undeterred, Sondland brought the Ukrainian delegation and the NSC Director for Ukraine, Lt. Colonel Alexander Vindman, downstairs to another part of the White House, where they were later joined by Dr. Hill. In this second meeting, Sondland was more explicit: Ukraine needed to conduct investigations if they were to get a meeting at all. 091308 Bolton directed Dr. Hill to report this to NSC legal advisor, John Eisenberg, telling her, "You go and tell Eisenberg that I am not part of whatever drug deal Sondland and Mulvaney are cooking up on this, and you go ahead and tell him what you've heard and what I've said." Dr. Hill did so, as did Lt. Col. Vindman, who separately approached the same lawyers with his concerns. 091331 On July 18, the day before Dr. Hill left her post at the NSC, Holmes participated in a secure interagency video conference on Ukraine. Towards the end of the meeting, a representative from the Office of Management and Budget announced that the flow of nearly $400 million in security assistance for Ukraine was being held up. "The order had come from the President and had been conveyed to OMB by" Acting White House Chief of Staff Mick Mulvaney "without further explanation." 091402 Holmes, unaware of the hold prior to the call, was "shocked." He thought the suspension of aid was "extremely significant," undermining what he had understood to be longstanding U.S. national security goals in Ukraine. One week later, on July 25th, President Trump spoke with President Zelensky by phone. When President Zelensky brought up U.S. military support and noted that Ukraine would like to buy more Javelin anti-tank missiles from the United States, Trump responded by saying, "I would like you to do us a favor, though." 091435 Trump then requested that Zelensky investigate the discredited conspiracy theory that Ukraine interfered in the 2016 U.S. election. Even more ominously, Trump asked Zelensky to look into the Bidens. Neither request had been included the official talking points for the call prepared by the NSC staff, but both were in Donald Trump's personal interest, and in the interests of his 2020 re-election campaign. And the Ukrainian president knew about both in advance, in part because of efforts by Ambassadors Sondland and Volker to make him aware of President Trump's demands. 091511 The next day, July 26, in Kyiv, Holmes served as a note-taker during a meeting between acting Ambassador Bill Taylor, Volker, and Sondland with President Zelensky and other senior Ukrainian officials. Zelensky said on the previous day's call--- said that on the previous day's call President Trump "had 'three times raised' some very sensitive issues and that he would have to follow up on those issues when they met 'in person." Although he did not realize it at the times---at the time, Holmes came to understand that the "sensitive issues" were the investigations that President Trump demanded on the July 25th call. 091557 Following the meeting with Zelensky, Holmes accompanied Sondland to a separate meeting with one of the Ukrainian president's top advisors, Andriy Yermak. But Holmes was not allowed into the meeting and waited for thirty minutes while Sondland and the Ukrainian met alone - without any note-takers to record what was said. After the meeting, Sondland, Holmes and two other State Department staff went to lunch at a nearby restaurant and sat on an outdoor terrace. At some point during the meal, Sondland pulled out his cell phone, placed a call to the White House, and asked to be connected to the President. 091634 When Trump came on the line, Holmes could hear the President's voice clearly. Holmes recalled that "the President's voice was very loud and recognizable, and Ambassador Sondland held the phone away from his ear for a period of time, presumably because of the loud volume." Sondland said he was calling from Kyiv. He told the President "that President Zelensky 'loves your ass.'" Holmes then heard President Trump ask, 'So he's going to do the investigation?' Ambassador Sondland replied that 'he's going to do it,' adding that President Zelensky will, 'do anything you ask him.' " 091712 After the call ended, Holmes "took the opportunity to ask Sondland for his candid impression of the President's views on Ukraine." It was at this point that Sondland revealed that the president, President Trump "doesn't give a [expletive] about Ukraine". "The President only cares about 'big stuff' . that benefits the President, like the 'Biden investigation' that Mr. Giuliani was pushing." 091737 A month later, National Security Advisor Bolton travelled to Kyiv. Between meetings with Ukrainian government officials, Holmes heard Bolton express to Ambassador Bill Taylor "his frustration about Mr. Giuliani's influence with the President." Bolton made clear, however, "there was nothing he could do about it." Bolton further stated that "the hold on security assistance would not be lifted" prior to the upcoming meeting between Trump and Zelensky in Warsaw, where it "would hang on whether President Zelensky was able to 'favorably impress' President Trump." 091808 Trump canceled his trip to Warsaw, but Sondland, Volker and others continued to press for a public announcement of the opening of investigations by Zelensky. On September 8, Taylor told Holmes that "'now they're insisting Zelensky commit to the investigation in an interview with CNN." Holmes was "surprised the requirement was so specific and concrete," since it amounted to nothing less than a "demand that President Zelensky personally commit to a specific investigation of President Trump's political rival on a cable news channel." 091845 On September 9, this Committee - along with the Foreign Affairs and Oversight committees - launched our investigation of this corrupt scheme. President Trump released the hold on aid two days later. As CNN's Fareed Zakaria has revealed, the Ukrainians cancelled the CNN interview shortly thereafter. Two weeks later, on September 25, the transcript of the July 25th call was released by the White House, and the details of the President's scheme started coming into view. 091914 In the coming days, Congress will determine what response is appropriate. If the President abused his power and invited foreign interference in our elections, if he sought to condition, coerce, extort, or bribe a vulnerable ally into conducting investigations to aid his reelection campaign and did so by withholding official acts - a White House meeting or hundreds of millions of dollars of needed military aid - it will be up---it will be for us to decide, whether those acts are compatible with the office of the Presidency. I now recognize ranking member nunes for any remarks he would like to make. 091952 NUNES>> Thank you. Throughout these bizarre hearings, the Democrats have struggled to make the case that president trump committed some impeachable offense on his phone call with Ukrainian president zelensky. The offense itself changes depending on the day ranging from quid pro quo to extortion to bribery, to obstruction of justice, then back to quid pro quo. It's clear why the Democrats have been forced onto this carousel of accusations. President trump had good reason to be worried of Ukrainian election meddling against his campaign and of widespread corruption in that country. 092032 President zelensky, who didn't even know aid to Ukraine had been paused at the time of the call, has repeatedly said there was nothing wrong with the conversation. The aid was resumed without the Ukrainians taking the actions they were supposedly being coerced into doing. Aid to Ukraine under president Trump has been much more robust than it was under President Obama. Thanks to the provision of javelin anti-tank weapons. 092105 As numerous witnesses have testified, temporary holds on foreign aid occur fairly frequently for many different reasons, so how do we have an impeachable offense here when there's no actual misdeed and no one even claiming to be a victim. The Democrats have tried to solve this dilemma with a simple slogan. He got caught. President trump, we are to believe, was just about to do something wrong and getting caught was the only reason he backed down from whatever nefarious thought crime the Democrats are accusing him of almost committing. I once again urge Americans to continue to consider the credibility of the Democrats on this committee who are now hurling these charges. 092159 For the last three years, it's not President trump who got caught, it's the Democrats who got caught. They got caught falsely claiming they had more than circumstantial evidence that Trump colluded with Russians to hack the 2016 election. They got caught orchestrating this entire farce with the whistle-blower and lying about their secret meetings with him. They got caught defending the false allegations of the Steele dossier which was paid for by them. 092241 They got caught breaking their promise that impeachment would only go forward with bipartisan support because of how damaging it is to the American people. They got caught running a sham impeachment process featuring secret depositions, hidden transcripts and an unending flood of Democrat leaks to the media. 092311 They got caught trying to obtain nude photos of President Trump from Russian pranksters pretending to be Ukrainians. And they got caught covering up for Alexandra Chalupa, a Democratic national committee operative who colluded with Ukranian officials to smear the campaign by improperly redacting her name from deposition transcripts and refusing to let Americans hear her testimony as a witness in these proceedings. 092347 That is the Democrats' pitiful legacy in recent years. They got caught. Meanwhile, their supposed star witness testified that he was guessing that president trump was trying -- tying Ukrainian aid to investigations despite no one telling him that was true and the President himself explicitly telling him the opposite-that he wanted nothing from Ukraine. 092417 Ladies and gentlemen, unless the Democrats once again scramble their kangaroo court rules, today's hearing marks the merciful end of this spectacle in the Impeachment Committee, formerly known as the Intelligence Committee. Whether the Democrats reap the political benefit they want from this impeachment remains to be seen. But the damage they have done to this country will be long-lasting. 092448 With this wrenching attempt to overthrow the President, they have pitted Americans against one another and poisoned the minds of fanatics who actually believe the entire galaxy of bizarre accusations they have leveled against the President since the day the American people elected him. I sincerely hope the Democrats end this affair as quickly as possible so our nation can begin to heal the many wounds it has inflicted on us. 092520 The people's faith in government, and their belief that their vote counts for something has been shaken. From the Russia hoax to this shoddy Ukrainian sequel, the Democrats got caught. Let's hope they finally learn a lesson, give their conspiracy theories a rest, and focus on governing for a change. In addition, Mr. Chairman, pursuant to House Rule 11, clause 2-J1, the Republican members transmit our request to convene a minority day of hearings. 092558 To date, you have blocked key witnesses that we have requested from testifying in this partisan impeachment inquiry. This rule was not displaced by H-Res 660 and, therefore, under House Rule 11, clause 1a, it applies to the Democrats' impeachment inquiry. We look forward to the chair promptly scheduling an agreed upon time for the minority day of hearings so that we can hear from key witnesses that you have continually blocked from testifying. 092628 I'd also like to take a quick moment on an assertion Ms. Hill made in the statement that she submitted to this committee. In which she claimed that some committee members deny that Russia meddled in the 2016 election. As I noted in my opening statement, on Wednesday, that in March 2018, intelligence committee Republicans published the results of a year-long investigation into Russian meddling. 092704 The 240-page report analyzed 2016 Russian meddling campaign, the U.S. government reaction to it, Russian campaigns and other countries, and provided specific recommendations to improve American election security. I would ask my staff to hand these reports to our two witnesses today just so they can have a recollection of their memory. 092736 As America may or may not know, Democrats refuse to sign on to the Republican report. Instead, they decided to adopt minority views filled with collusion conspiracy theories. Needless to say, it's entirely possible for two separate nations to engage in election meddling at the same time, and Republicans believe we should take meddling seriously by all foreign countries. Regardless of which campaign is the target. I'd like to submit for the record a copy of our report titled "Report on Russian active measures." I yield back. 092827 SCHIFF>> Today we are joined by Dr. Fiona Hill and David Holmes. Dr. Fiona Hill is a former deputy assistant to the president and senior director for Europe and Russia on the national security council. Before returning to government, she was a senior fellow at the Brookings Institution where she directed the center on the United States and Europe. She previously worked at the national intelligence council, the Eurasia foundation and John F. Kennedy school of government. 092854 David Holmes is the political counselor at the U.S. Embassy in Kyiv where he serves as the senior policy and political adviser to ambassador Taylor who testified earlier in these hearings. He is a career foreign service officer. He has previously served in Moscow, New Delhi, Kabul, Bogota and Pristina. He's also served on the staff of the national security council as his special assistant -- as special assistant to the United States secretary of state. 092923 Two final points before our witnesses are sworn. First, witness depositions as part of this inquiry were unclassified in nature. And all open hearings will also be held at the unclassified level. Any information that may touch on classified information will be addressed separately. Second, congress will not tolerate any reprisal, threat of reprisal or attempt to retaliate against any U.S. Government official who are testifying before congress, including you or any of your colleagues. 092952 If you would please rise, raise your right hand, I will begin by swearing you in. Do you swear or affirm that the testimony you are about to give is the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth so help you god? Let the record show that the witnesses answered in the affirmative. Thank you, and you may be seated. The microphones are sensitive. So you'll need to speak directly into them. Without objection, your written statements will be made part of the record. With that, Mr. Holmes, you a now recognized for your opening statement. And when you conclude, Dr. Hill, you'll be immediately recognized thereafter for your opening statement. 093039 HOLMES>> Thank you. Good morning Mr. Chairman, Ranking Member Nunes, and Members of the Committee. My name is David Holmes, and I am a career Foreign Service Officer with the Department of State. Since August 2017, I have been the Political Counselor at the U.S. Embassy in Kyiv, Ukraine. While it is an honor to appear before you, I want to make clear that I did not seek this opportunity to testify today. 093103 Since you determined that I may have something of value to these proceedings and issued a subpoena, it is my obligation to appear and to tell you what I know. Indeed, as Secretary Pompeo has stated, "I hope everyone who testifies will do so truthfully and accurately. What---when they do, the oversight role will have been performed, and I think America will come to see what took place here." That is my only goal: to testify truthfully and accurately to enable you to perform that role. 093132 And to that end, I have put together this statement to lay out as best I can my recollection of events that may be relevant to this matter. By way of background, I have spent my entire professional career as a Foreign Service Officer. Like many of the dedicated public servants who have testified in these proceedings, my entire career has been in the service of my country. I am a graduate of Pomona College in Claremont, California, and received graduate degrees in international affairs from the University of St. Andrews in Scotland and from Princeton University's Woodrow Wilson School of Public and International Affairs. 093206 I joined the Foreign Service in 2002 through an apolitical, merit-based process under the George W. Bush administration, and I have proudly served administrations of both parties and worked for their appointees, both political and career. Prior to my current post in Kyiv, Ukraine, I served in the political and economic sections at the U.S. Embassy in Moscow, Russia. In Washington, I served on the National Security Council staff as Director for Afghanistan and as a Special Assistant to the Under Secretary of State. My prior overseas assignments include New Delhi, India; Kabul, Afghanistan; Bogotá, Colombia; and Pristina, Kosovo. 093347 As the Political Counselor at the U.S. Embassy in Kyiv, I lead the Political Section covering Ukraine's internal politics, foreign relations, and security policies, and I serve as the senior policy and political adviser to the Ambassador. The job of an embassy political counselor is to gather information about the host country's political landscape, to report back to Washington, to represent U.S. policies to foreign contacts, and to advise the Ambassador on policy development and implementation. 093319 In this role, I am a senior member of the Embassy's Country Team and continually involved in addressing issues as they arise. I am also often called upon to take notes in meetings involving the Ambassador or visiting senior U.S. officials with Ukrainian counterparts. For this reason, I have been present in many meetings with President Zelenskiy and his administration, some of which may be germane to this inquiry. While I am the Political Counselor at the Embassy, it is important to note that I am not a political appointee or engaged in U.S. politics in any way. It is not my job to cover or advise on U.S. politics. 093355 On the contrary, I am an apolitical foreign policy professional, and my job---my job is to focus on the politics of the country in which I serve so that we can better understand the local landscape and better advance U.S. national interests there. In fact, during the period that we will cover today, my colleagues and I followed direct guidance from Ambassador Yovanovitch and Ambassador Taylor to focus on doing our jobs as foreign policy professionals and to stay clear of Washington politics. 093425 I arrived in Kyiv to take up my assignment as Political Counselor in August 2017, a year after Ambassador Yovanovitch received her appointment. From August 2017 until her removal from post in May 2019, I was Ambassador Yovanovitch's chief policy advisor and developed a deep respect for her dedication, determination, decency, and professionalism. During this time, we worked together closely, speaking multiple times per day, and I accompanied Ambassador Yovanovitch to many of her meetings with senior Ukrainian counterparts. 093458 Our work in Ukraine focused on three policy priorities: peace and security, economic growth and reform, and anti-corruption and rule of law. These policies match the three consistent priorities of the Ukrainian people since 2014 as measured in public opinion polling, namely, an end to the conflict with Russia that restores national unity and territorial integrity, responsible economic policies that deliver European standards of growth and opportunity, and effective and impartial rule of law institutions that deliver justice in cases of high-level official corruption. 093537 Our efforts on this third priority merit special mention because it was during Ambassador Yovanovitch's tenure that we achieved the hard-fought passage of a law establishing an independent court to try corruption cases. These efforts strained Ambassador Yovanovitch's relationship with former President Poroshenko and some of his allies, including Prosecutor General Yuriy Lutsenko, who resisted fully empowering truly independent anti-corruption institutions that would help ensure that no Ukrainians, however powerful, were above the law. 093612 Despite this resistance, the Ambassador and the Embassy kept pushing anti-corruption and other priorities of our policy toward Ukraine.Beginning in March 2019, the situation at the Embassy and in Ukraine changed dramatically. Specifically, the three priorities of security, economy, and justice, and our support for Ukrainian democratic resistance to Russian aggression, became overshadowed by a political agenda being promoted by former New York City Mayor Rudy Giuliani and a cadre of officials operating with a direct channel to the White House. 093647 That change began with the emergence of press reports critical of Ambassador Yovanovitch and machinations by then-Prosecutor General Lutsenko and others to discredit her. In mid-March 2019, an Embassy colleague learned from a Ukrainian contact that Mr. Lutsenko had complained that Ambassador Yovanovitch had "destroyed him" with her refusal to support him until he followed through with his reform commitments and ceased using his position for personal gain. 093714 In retaliation, Mr. Lutsenko made a series of unsupported allegations against Ambassador Yovanovitch, mostly suggesting that Ambassador Yovanovitch improperly used the Embassy to advance the political interests of the Democratic party. Among Mr. Lutsenko's allegations were that the Embassy had ordered the investigation of a former Ukrainian official solely because that former official was allegedly the main Ukrainian contact of the Republican Party and of President Trump personally. 093742 And that the Embassy had allegedly pressured Lutsenko's predecessor to close a case against a different former Ukrainian official, solely because of an alleged connection between that official's company, Burisma, and former Vice President Biden's son. Mr. Lutsenko also claimed that he had never received $4.4 million in U.S. funds intended for his office, and that there was a tape of a Ukrainian official saying he was trying to help Hillary Clinton win the 2016 election. 093810 Finally, Mr. Lutsenko publicly claimed that Ambassador Yovanovitch had given him a "do not prosecute list" containing the names of her supposed allies, an allegation that the State Department called an "outright fabrication," and that Mr. Lutsenko later retracted. 093825 Mr. Lutsenko said that, as a result of these allegations, Ambassador Yovanovitch would face "serious problems" in the United States. Public opinion polls in Ukraine indicated that Ukrainians generally did not believe Mr. Lutsenko's allegations, and on March 22, President Poroshenko issued a statement in support of Ambassador Yovanovitch. 093847 Following Mr. Lutsenko's allegations, Mr. Giuliani and others made a number of public statements critical of Ambassador Yovanovitch, questioning her integrity and calling for her removal from office. Mr. Giuliani was also making frequent public statements pushing for Ukraine to investigate interference in the 2016 election and issues related to Burisma and the Bidens. For example, on May 1, 2019, the New York Times reported that Mr. Giuliani had "discussed the Burisma investigation, and its intersections with the Bidens, with the ousted Ukrainian prosecutor general and the current prosecutor." 093924 On May 9, the New York Times reported that Mr. Giuliani said he planned to travel to Ukraine to pursue investigations into the 2016 election interference and into the involvement of former Vice President Biden's son in a Ukrainian gas company. Over the next few months, Mr. Giuliani also issued a series of tweets, asking "why Biden shouldn't be investigated," attacking the "New President of Ukraine," Zelensky for being "silent" on the 2016 election and Biden investigations, and complaining about the New York Times attacking him for "exposing the Biden family history of making millions . . . from Ukrainian criminals." 094001 Around this time, the Ukrainian presidential election was approaching, and political newcomer and entertainer Volodymyr Zelenskiy, who had played a president on television, was surging in the polls, ahead of Mr. Lutsenko's political ally, President Poroshenko. On April 20, I was president---present for Ambassador Yovanovitch's third and final meeting with then-candidate Zelensky ahead of his landslide victory in the runoff election the next day. 094027 As in her two prior meetings that I also attended, they had an entirely cordial, pleasant conversation and signaled their mutual desire to work together. However, the negative narratives about Ambassador Yovanovitch had gained currency in certain segments of the United States press, and on April 26, Ambassador Yovanovitch departed for Washington, DC, where she learned that she would be recalled early. The barrage of allegations directed at Ambassador Yovanovitch, a career ambassador, is unlike anything I have seen in my professional career. 094100 Following President-elect Zelensky's victory, our attention in the Embassy focused on getting to know the incoming Zelensky administration and on preparations for the inauguration scheduled for May 20, the same day Ambassador Yovanovitch departed Post permanently. It quickly became clear that the White House was not prepared to show the level of support for the Zelensky administration that we had originally anticipated. 094124 In early May, Mr. Giuliani publicly alleged that Mr. Zelensky was "surrounded by enemies of the U.S. President," and cancelled a visit to Ukraine. Shortly thereafter, we learned that Vice President Pence no longer planned to lead the Presidential Delegation to the inauguration. The White House then whittled down an initial proposed list for the official Presidential Delegation to the inauguration from over a dozen individuals to just five: Secretary Perry as its head, Special Representative for Ukraine Negotiations Kurt Volker representing the State Department, National Security Council Director Alex Vindman representing the White House, temporary acting Charge d'Affaires Joseph Pennington representing the Embassy, and Ambassador to the European Union Gordon Sondland. 094209 While Ambassador Sondland's mandate as the accredited Ambassador to the European Union did not cover individual member states, let alone non-member countries like Ukraine, he made clear that he had direct and frequent access to President Trump and Chief of Staff Mick Mulvaney, and portrayed himself as the conduit to the President and Mr. Mulvaney for this group. Secretary Perry, Ambassador Sondland, and Ambassador Volker later styled themselves the "Three Amigos," and made clear they would take the lead on coordinating our policy and engagement with the Zelensky Administration. 094242 Around the same time, I became aware that Mr. Giuliani, a private lawyer, was taking a direct role in Ukrainian diplomacy. On April 25, Ivan Bakanov, who was Mr. Zelensky's childhood friend and campaign chair, and was ultimately appointed the head of the Security Services of Ukraine, indicated to me privately he had been contacted by "someone named Giuliani who said he was an advisor to the Vice President." I reported Mr. Bakanov's message to Deputy Assistant Secretary of State George Kent. 094312 Over the following months, it became apparent that Mr. Giuliani was having a direct influence on the foreign policy agenda that the Three Amigos were executing on the ground in Ukraine. In fact, at one point during a preliminary meeting of the inaugural Delegation, someone wondered aloud about why Mr. Giuliani was so active in the media with respect to Ukraine. My recollection is that Ambassador Sondland stated, "Dammit Rudy. Every time Rudy gets involved he goes and f---s everything up." 094343 The inauguration took place on May 20, and I took notes in the delegation's meeting with President Zelensky. During the meeting, Secretary Perry passed President Zelensky a list that Perry described as "people he trusts." Sdru 093314 On May 23, Ambassador Volker, Ambassador Sondland, Secretary Perry, and Senator Ron Johnson (who had also attended the inauguration, though not in the official delegation) returned to the United States and briefed President Trump. On May 29, President Trump signed a congratulatory letter to President Zelensky, which included an invitation to visit the White House at an unspecified date. 094437 It is important to understand that a White House visit was critical to President Zelensky. President Zelensky needed to show U.S. support at the highest levels in order to demonstrate to Russian President Putin that he had U.S. backing, as well as to advance his ambitious anti-corruption reform agenda at home. President Zelensky's team immediately began pressing to set a date for the visit. President Zelensky and senior members of his team made clear they wanted President Zelensky's first overseas trip to be to Washington to send a strong signal of American support, and requested a call with President Trump as soon as possible. We at the Embassy also believed that a meeting was critical to the success of President Zelensky's administration and its reform agenda, and we worked hard to get it arranged. 094528 When President Zelenskiy's team did not receive a confirmed date for a White House visit, they made alternative plans for President Zelenskiy's first overseas trip to be to Brussels instead, in part to attend an American Independence Day event that Ambassador Sondland hosted on June 4. Ambassador Sondland hosted a dinner in President Zelenskiy's honor following the reception, which included President Zelenskiy, Jared Kushner, Secretary Pompeo's counselor Ulrich Brechbuhl, senior European Union officials, and comedian Jay Leno, among others. 094601 Ambassador Bill Taylor arrived in Kyiv as Charge d'Affaires on June 17. For the next month, the focus of our activities - along with those of the Three Amigos - was to coordinate a White House visit. To that end, we were working with the Ukrainians to deliver things that we thought President Trump might care about, such as commercial deals that would benefit the United States, which might convince President Trump to agree to a meeting with President Zelenskiy. 094628 The Ukrainian policy community was unanimous in its recommend---recognizing the importance of securing the meeting and President Trump's support. Ambassador Taylor reported that Secretary Pompeo had told him prior to his arrival in Kyiv, "We need to work on turning the President around on Ukraine." Ambassador Volker told us the first---that the next five years could hang on what could be accomplished in the next three months. I took that to mean that if we did not earn President Trump's support in the next three months, we could lose the opportunity to make progress during President Zelenskiy's five year term. 094703 Within a week or two, it became apparent that the energy sector reforms, the commercial deals, and the anti-corruption efforts on which we were making progress were not making a dent in terms of persuading the White House to schedule a meeting between the presidents. On June 27, Ambassador Sondland told Ambassador Taylor in a phone conversation (the gist of which Ambassador Taylor shared with me at the time) that President Zelensky needed to make clear to President Trump that President Zelensky was not standing in the way of "investigations." I understood that this meant the Biden/Burisma investigations that Mr. Giuliani and his associates had been speaking about in the media since March. 094743 While Ambassador Taylor did not brief me on every detail of his communications with the Three Amigos, he did tell me that on a June 28 call with President Zelenskiy, Ambassador Taylor, and the Three Amigos, it was made clear that some action on Burisma/Biden investigation was a precondition for an Oval Office meeting. Also on June 28, while President Trump was still not moving forward on a meeting with President Zelenskiy, we met with---he met with Russian President Putin at the G20 Summit in Osaka, Japan, sending a further signal of lack of support for Ukraine. 094819 We became concerned that even if a meeting between Presidents Trump and Zelenskiy could occur, it would not go well, and I discussed with Embassy colleagues whether we should stop seeking a meeting altogether. While a White House visit was critical to the Zelenskiy administration, a visit that failed to send a clear and strong signal of support likely would be worse for President Zelenskiy than no visit at all. 094846 Congress has appropriated $1.5 billion in security assistance for Ukraine since 2014. This assistance has provided crucial material and moral support to Ukraine in its defensive war with Russia and has helped Ukraine build its armed forces virtually from scratch into arguably the most capable and battle-hardened land force in Europe. I have had the honor of visiting the main training facility in Western Ukraine with members of Congress and members of this very committee, Miss Stefanik, where we witnessed first-hand U.S. National Guard troops, along with allies, conducting training for Ukrainian soldiers. Since 2014, National Guard units from California, Oklahoma, New York, Tennessee and Wisconsin have trained shoulder-to-shoulder with Ukrainian counterparts. 094948 Given the history of U.S. security assistance to Ukraine and the bipartisan recognition of its importance, I was shocked when, on July 18, an Office of Management and Budget staff member surprisingly announced the hold on Ukraine security assistance. The announcement came toward the end of a nearly two-hour National Security Council secure video conference call, which I participated in from the Embassy conference room. 095004 The official said the order had come from the President and had been conveyed to OMB by Mr. Mulvaney with no further explanation. This began a week or so of efforts by various agencies to identify the rationale for the freeze, conduct a review of the assistance, and to reaffirm the unanimous view of the Ukraine policy community of its importance. NSC counterparts confirmed to us that there had been no change in our Ukraine policy, but could not determine the cause of the hold or how to lift it. 095037 On July 25, President Trump made a congratulatory phone call to President Zelenskiy, after his party won a commanding majority in Ukraine's parliamentary election. Contrary to standard procedure, the Embassy received no readout of that call, and I was unaware of what was discussed until the transcript was released on September 25. Upon reading the transcript, I was deeply disappointed to see that the President raised none of what I understood to be our inter-agency agreed-upon foreign policy priorities in Ukraine and instead, raised the Biden/Burisma investigation and referred to the theory about Crowdstrike, and its supposed connection to Ukraine and the 2016 election. 095118 The next day, July 26, 2019, I attended meetings at the Presidential Administration Building in Kyiv with Ambassador Taylor, Ambassador Volker, and Ambassador Sondland and I took notes during those meetings. Our first meeting was with President Zelenskiy's Chief of Staff. It was brief, as he had already been summoned by President Zelenskiy to prepare for a subsequent broader meeting, but he did say that President Trump had expressed interest during the previous day's phone call in President Zelenskiy's personnel decisions related to the Prosecutor General's Office. 095151 The delegation then met with President Zelenskiy and several other senior officials. During the meeting, President Zelenskiy stated that during the July 25 call, President Trump had "three times" raised "some very sensitive issues," and that he, President Zelensky, would have to follow up on those issues when he and President Trump met "in person." Not having received a readout of the July 25 call, I did not know what those sensitive issues were. 095219 After the meeting with President Zelenskiy, Ambassador Volker and Ambassador Taylor quickly left the Presidential Administration Building for a trip to the front lines. Ambassador Sondland, who was to fly out that afternoon, stayed behind to have a meeting with Andriy Yermak, a top aide to President Zelenskiy. 095234 As I was leaving the meeting with President Zelenskiy, I was told to join the meeting with Ambassador Sondland and Mr. Yermak as note-taker. I had not expected to join that meeting and was a flight of stairs behind Ambassador Sondland as he headed to meet with Mr. Yermak. 095248 When I reached Mr. Yermak's office, Ambassador Sondland had already gone in to the meeting. I explained to Mr. Yermak's assistant that I was supposed to join the meeting as the Embassy's representative and strongly urged her to let me in, but she told me that Ambassador Sondland and Mr. Yermak had insisted that the meeting be one-on-one, with no note-taker. I then waited in the anteroom until the meeting ended, along with a member of Ambassador Sondland's staff and a member of the U.S. Embassy Kyiv staff. 095315 When the meeting ended, the two staffers and I accompanied Ambassador Sondland out of the Presidential Administration Building. Ambassador Sondland said that he wanted to go to lunch, and I told Ambassador Sondland that I would be happy to join him and the two staffers for lunch if he wanted to brief me out on his meeting with Mr. Yermak or discuss other issues, and Ambassador Sondland said that I should join. 095235 The four of us went to a nearby restaurant and sat on an outdoor terrace. I sat directly across from Ambassador Sondland, and the two staffers sat off to our sides. At first, the lunch was largely social. Ambassador Sondland selected a bottle of wine that he shared among the four of us, and we discussed topics such as marketing strategies for his hotel business. 095356 During the lunch, Ambassador Sondland said that he was going to call President Trump to give him an update. Ambassador Sondland placed a call on his mobile phone, and I heard him announce himself several times, along the lines of "Gordon Sondland holding for the President." It appeared that he was being transferred through several layers of switchboards and assistants. I then noticed Ambassador Sondland's demeanor change, and understood that he had been connected to President Trump. 095420 While Ambassador Sondland's phone was not on speakerphone, I could hear the President's voice through the earpiece of the phone. The President's voice was loud and recognizable, and Ambassador Sondland held the phone away from his ear for a period of time, presumably because of the loud volume. I heard Ambassador Sondland greet the President and explain he was calling from Kyiv. I heard President Trump then clarify that Ambassador Sondland was in Ukraine. Ambassador Sondland replied, yes, he was in Ukraine, and went on to state that President Zelenskiy "loves your ass." 095453 I then heard President Trump ask, "So, he's gonna do the investigation?" Ambassador Sondland replied that "he's gonna do it," adding that President Zelenskiy will do "anything you ask him to do." Even though I did not take notes of these statements, I have a clear recollection that these statements were made. I believe that my colleagues who were sitting at the table also knew that Ambassador Sondland was speaking with the President. 095518 The conversation then shifted to Ambassador Sondland's efforts, on behalf of the President, to assist a rapper who was jailed in Sweden, and I could only hear Ambassador Sondland's side of the conversation. Ambassador Sondland told the President that the rapper was "kind of f----d there," and "should have pled guilty." He recommended that the President "wait until after the sentencing or it will only make it worse," and he added that the President should "let him get sentenced, play the racism card, give him a ticker-tape when he comes home." Ambassador Sondland further told the President that Sweden "should have released him on your word," but that "you can tell the Kardashians you tried." 095557 After the call ended, Ambassador Sondland remarked that the President was in a bad mood, as Ambassador Sondland stated was often the case early in the morning. I then took the opportunity to ask Ambassador Sondland for his candid impression of the President's views on Ukraine. In particular, I asked Ambassador Sondland if it was true that the President did not "give a s--t about Ukraine." Ambassador Sondland agreed that the President did not "give a s--t about Ukraine." I asked why not, and Ambassador Sondland stated that the President only cares about "big stuff." I noted that there was "big stuff" going on in Ukraine, like a war with Russia, and Ambassador Sondland replied that he meant "big stuff" that benefits the President, like the "Biden investigation" that Mr. Giuliani was pushing. 095643 The conversation then moved on to other topics. Upon returning to the Embassy, I immediately briefed my direct supervisor, the Deputy Chief of Mission, about Ambassador Sondland's call with President Trump and my subsequent conversation with Ambassador Sondland. I told others at the Embassy about the call as well. I also emailed an Embassy official in Sweden regarding the issue with the U.S. rapper that was discussed on the call. 095709 July 26 was my last day in the office ahead of a long planned vacation that ended on August 6. After returning to the Embassy, I told Ambassador Taylor about the July 26 call. I also repeatedly referred to the call and conversation with Ambassador Sondland in meetings and conversations where the issue of the President's interest in Ukraine was potentially relevant. At that time, Ambassador Sondland's statement of the President's lack of interest in Ukraine was of particular focus. 095739 We understood that in order to secure a meeting between President Trump and President Zelenskiy, we would have to work hard to find a way to explain Ukraine's importance to President Trump in terms that he found compelling. Over the ensuing weeks, we continued to try to identify ways to frame the importance of Ukraine in ways that would appeal to the President, to determine how to lift the hold on security assistance, and to move forward on the scheduling of a White House visit by President Zelenskiy. 095805 Ukrainian Independence Day, August 24, presented another good opportunity to show support for Ukraine. Secretary Pompeo had considered attending, as National Security Advisor Bolton had attended in 2018 and Defense Secretary Mattis had attended in 2017. But in the end, nobody senior to Ambassador Volker attended. 095826 Shortly thereafter, on August 27, Ambassador Bolton visited Ukraine and brought welcome news that President Trump had agreed to meet President Zelenskiy on September 1 in Warsaw. Ambassador Bolton further indicated that the hold on security assistance would not be lifted prior to the Warsaw meeting, where it would hang on whether President Zelenskiy was able to "favorably impress" President Trump. I took notes in Ambassador Bolton's meeting that day with President Zelenskiy and his Chief of Staff. Ambassador Bolton told Zelenskiy's Chief of Staff that the meeting between the presidents in Warsaw would be "crucial to cementing their relationship." However, President Trump ultimately pulled out of the Warsaw trip, so the hold remained in place with no clear means to get it lifted. 095910 Between the meetings on August 27, I heard Ambassador Bolton express to Ambassador Taylor and National Security Council Senior Director Tim Morrison his frustration about Mr. Giuliani's influence with the President, making clear there was nothing he could do about it. He recommended that Mr. Lutsenko's replacement as Prosecutor General open a channel with his counterpart Attorney General Barr in place of the informal channel between Mr. Yermak and Mr. Giuliani. Ambassador Bolton also expressed frustration about Ambassador Sondland's expansive interpretation of his mandate. 095946 After President Trump cancelled his trip to Warsaw, we continued to try to appeal to the President in foreign policy and national security terms. To that end, Ambassador Taylor told me that Ambassador Bolton recommended that he and Ambassador Taylor send a first-person cable to Secretary Pompeo articulating the importance of the security assistance. At Ambassador Taylor's direction, I drafted and transmitted the cable on Ambassador Taylor's behalf on August 29, which further attempted to explain the importance of Ukraine and the security assistance to U.S. national security. By this point, however, my clear impression was that the security assistance hold was likely intended by the President either as an expression of dissatisfaction that the Ukrainians, who had not yet agreed to the Burisma/Biden investigation or as an effort to increase the pressure on them to do so. DMG RTR 4 HOUSE INTEL IMPEACHMENT HEARING HILL AND HOLMES SPLIT SCREEN 112019 P2 100036 On September 5, I took notes at Senator Johnson and Senator Chris Murphy's meetings with President Zelenskiy in Kyiv, where President Zelenskiy asked about the security assistance. Although both Senators stressed strong bipartisan Congressional support for Ukraine, Senator Johnson cautioned President Zelenskiy that President Trump has a negative view of Ukraine and that President Zelenskiy would have a difficult time overcoming it. 100101 Senator Johnson further explained that he had been "shocked" by President Trump's negative reaction during an Oval Office meeting on May 23, when he and the Three Amigos proposed that President Trump meet President Zelenskiy and show support for Ukraine.On September 8, Ambassador Taylor told me, "now they're insisting Zelenskiy commit to the investigation in an interview with CNN," which I took to refer to those Three Amigos. 100126 I was shocked the requirement was so specific and concrete. While we had advised our Ukrainian counterparts to voice a commitment to following the rule of law and generally investigating credible corruption allegations, this was a demand that President Zelenskiy personally commit, on a cable news channel, to a specific investigation of President Trump's political rival. 100149 On September 11, the hold was finally lifted after significant press coverage and bipartisan congressional expressions of concern about the withholding of security assistance. Although we knew the hold was lifted, we were still concerned that President Zelenskiy had committed, in exchange for the lifting, to give the requested CNN interview. We had several indications that the interview would occur. First, the YES! Conference in Kyiv was held from September 12-14, and CNN's Fareed Zakaria was one of the moderators. Second, on September 13, an Embassy colleague received a phone call from a colleague who worked for Ambassador Sondland. My Embassy colleague texted me regarding the call that, "Sondland said the Zelenskiy interview is supposed to be today or Monday [Sept 16] and they plan to announce that a certain investigation that was 'on hold' will progress. Sondland's aide did not know if this was decided or if [Sondland] is advocating this. Apparently he's been discussing this with Yermak." 100250 Finally, also on September 13th, Ambassador Taylor and I ran into Mr. Yermak on our way out of a meeting with President Zelenskiy in his private office. Ambassador Taylor again stressed the importance of staying out of U.S. politics and said he hoped no interview was planned. Mr. Yermak did not answer, but shrugged in resignation as if to indicate that he had no choice. In short, everybody thought there was going to be an interview, and that the Ukrainians believed they had to do it. The interview ultimately did not occur. 100319 On September 21st, Ambassador Taylor and I collaborated on input he sent to Mr. Morrison to brief President Trump ahead of a September 25 meeting that had been scheduled with President Zelenskiy in New York on the margins of the UN General Assembly. The transcript of the July 25th call was released the same day. As of today, I still---I have still not seen a readout of the September 25th meeting. 100343 As the impeachment inquiry has progressed, I have followed press reports and reviewed the statements of Ambassadors Taylor and Yovanovitch. Based on my experiences in Ukraine, my recollection is generally consistent with their testimony, and I believed that the relevant facts were therefore being laid out for the American people. However, in the last couple weeks, I read press reports expressing for the first time that certain senior officials may have been acting without the President's knowledge, or "freelancing," in their dealings with Ukraine. At the same time, I also read reports noting the lack of "first-hand" evidence in the investigation and suggesting that the only evidence being elicited at the hearings was "hearsay." 100425 I came to realize that I had first-hand knowledge regarding certain events on July 26th that had not otherwise been reported, and that those events potentially bore on the question of whether the President did, in fact, have knowledge that those senior officials were using the levers of our diplomatic power to influence the new Ukrainian President to announce the opening of a criminal investigation against President Trump's political opponent. 100450 It is at that point that I made the observation to Ambassador Taylor that the incident I had witnessed on July 26 had acquired greater significance, which is what he reported in his testimony last week and is what led to the subpoena for me to appear here today. In conclusion, I would like to take a moment to turn back to Ukraine. Today, this very day, marks exactly six years since throngs of pro-Western Ukrainians spontaneously gathered on Kyiv's Independence Square to launch what became known as the Revolution of Dignity. 100527 While the protests began in opposition to a turn towards Russia and away from the West, they expanded over three months to reject the entire corrupt, repressive system that had been sustained by Russian influence in the country. Those events were followed by Russia's occupation of Ukraine's Crimean peninsula and invasion of Ukraine's eastern Donbas region, and an ensuing war that, to date, has cost Ukraine almost 14,000 lives. 100557 Despite the Russian aggression, over the past five years, Ukrainians have rebuilt a shattered economy, adhered to a peace process, and moved economically and socially closer to the West - toward our way of life. Earlier this year, large majorities of Ukrainians again chose a fresh start by voting for a political newcomer as president, replacing 80 percent of their parliament, and endorsing a platform consistent with our democratic values, our reform priorities, and our strategic interests. This year's revolution at the ballot box underscores that, despite its imperfections, Ukraine is a genuine and vibrant democracy and an example to other post-Soviet countries and beyond - from Moscow to Hong Kong. 100648 How we respond to this historic opportunity will set the trajectory of our relationship with Ukraine and will define our willingness to defend our bedrock international principles and our leadership role in the world. Ukrainians want to hear a clear and unambiguous reaffirmation that our long-standing, bipartisan policy of strong support for Ukraine remains unchanged and that we fully back it at the highest levels. Now is not the time to retreat from our relationship with Ukraine, but rather to double down on it. 100725 As we sit here, as we sit here today, Ukrainians are fighting a hot war on Ukrainian territory against Russian aggression. This week alone, since I have been here in Washington, two Ukrainian soldiers were killed and two injured by Russian-led forces in eastern Ukraine despite a declared ceasefire. I learned overnight that 7 more were injured yesterday. As Vice President Pence said after his meeting with President Zelenskiy in Warsaw, "The U.S.- Ukraine relationship has never been stronger." Ukrainians and their new government earnestly want to believe that. 100801 Ukrainians cherish their bipartisan American support that has sustained their Euro - Atlantic aspirations, and they recoil at the thought of playing a role in U.S. domestic politics or elections. At a time of shifting allegiances and rising competitors in the world, we have no better friend than Ukraine - a scrappy, unbowed, determined, and above all dignified people who are standing up against Russian authoritarianism and aggression. They deserve better. We are now at an inflection point in Ukraine, and it is critical to our national security that we stand in strong support of our Ukrainian partners. Ukrainians and freedom-loving people everywhere are watching the example we set of democracy and the rule of law. Thank you. 100853 SCHIFF>> Thank you, Mr. Holmes. Dr. Helm? HILL>> Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Do I need to adjust the microphone? SCHIFF>> Is the microphone on? HILL>> I believe it is now. Is that correct? SCHIFF>> Yes, perfect. 100909 HILL >> Thank you again, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, Ranking Member Nunes, and members of the Committee. Thank you for inviting me to testify before you today. I have a short opening statement. I appreciate the importance of the Congress's impeachment inquiry and I am appearing today as a fact witness, as I did during my deposition on October 14th, in order to answer your questions about what I saw, what I did, what I knew, and what I know with regard to the subjects of your inquiry. 100938 I believe that those who have information that the Congress deems relevant have a legal and a moral obligation to provide it. I take great pride in the fact that I am a nonpartisan foreign policy expert, who has served under three Republican and Democratic presidents. I have no interest in advancing the outcome of your inquiry in any particular direction, except toward the truth. I will not provide a long narrative statement, because I believe that the interest of Congress and the American people is best served by allowing you to ask me your questions. 101011 And I am happy to expand upon my October 14th deposition testimony in response to your questions today. But before I do so, I'd like to communicate two things. First, I'd like to share a bit about who I am. I am an American by choice, having become a citizen in 2002. I was born in the northeast of England, in the same region George Washington's ancestors came from. Both the region and my family have deep ties to the United States. 101040 My paternal grandfather fought through World War I in the Royal Field Artillery, surviving being shot, shelled, and gassed before American troops intervened to end the war in 1918. During the Second World War, other members of my family fought to defend the free world from fascism alongside American soldiers, sailors, and airmen. The men in my father's family were coalminers whose families always struggled with poverty. 101107 When my father, Alfred, was 14, he joined his father, brothers---brother, uncles and cousins in the coal mines to help put food on the table. When the last of the local mines closed in the 1960s, my father wanted to emigrate to the United States to work in the coal mines in West Virginia, or in Pennsylvania. But his mother, my grandmother, had been crippled from hard labor and my father couldn't leave, so he stayed in northern England until he died in 2012. My mother still lives in my hometown today. 101136 While his dream of emigrating to America was thwarted, my father loved America, its culture, its history and its role as a beacon of hope in the world. He always wanted someone in the family to make it to the United States. I began my University studies in 1984, and i just learned I went to the same university as my colleague here, Mr. Holmes, in (?) in Scotland. Just thought I would add that. And in 1987 I won a place on an academic exchange to the Soviet Union. I was there for the signing of the Intermediate Nuclear Forces, or INF Treaty, and when President Ronald Reagan met Soviet leader Mikhail Gorbachev in Moscow. This was a turning point for me. An American professor who I met there told me about graduate student scholarships to the United States, and the very next year, thanks to his advice, I arrived in America to start my advanced studies at Harvard. 101224 Years later, I can say with confidence that this country has offered for me opportunities I never would have had in England. I grew up poor with a very distinctive working-class accent. In England in the 1980s and 1990s, this would have impeded my professional advancement. This background has never set me back in America. For the best part of three decades, I have built a career as a nonpartisan, nonpolitical national security professional focusing on Europe and Eurasia and especially the former Soviet Union. 101253 I have served our country under three presidents: in my most recent capacity under President Trump, as well as in my former position under--- as well as in my former position of National Intelligence Officer for Russia and Eurasia under Presidents George W. Bush and Barack Obama. In that role, I was the Intelligence Community's senior expert on Russia and the former Soviet republics, including Ukraine. 101315 It was because of my background and experience that I was asked to join the National Security Council in 2017. At the NSC, Russia was a part of my portfolio, but I was also responsible for coordinating U.S. policy for all of Western Europe, all of Eastern Europe (including Ukraine) and Turkey, along with NATO and the European Union. I was hired initially by General Michael Flynn, K.T. McFarland, and General Keith Kellogg, but then I started work in April 2017 when General McMaster was the National Security Advisor. 101347 I-and they-thought that I could help them with President Trump's stated goal of improving relations with Russia, while still implementing policies designed to deter Russian conduct that threatens the United States, including the unprecedented and successful Russian operation to interfere in the 2016 presidential election. This relates to the second thing I want to communicate. 101409 Based on questions and statements I have heard, some of you on this committee appear to believe that Russia and its security services did not conduct a campaign against our country-and that perhaps, somehow, for some reason, Ukraine did. This is a fictional narrative that has been perpetrated and propagated by the Russian security services themselves. The unfortunate truth is that Russia was the foreign power that systematically attacked our democratic institutions in 2016. 101438 This is the public conclusion of our intelligence agencies, confirmed in bipartisan Congressional reports. It is beyond dispute, even if some of the underlying details must remain classified. The impact of the successful 2016 Russian campaign remains evident today. Our nation is being torn apart. Truth is questioned. Our highly professional and expert career foreign service is being undermined. U.S. support for Ukraine-which continues to face armed Russian aggression-has been politicized. 101508 The Russian government's goal is to weaken our country-to diminish America's global role and to neutralize a perceived U.S. threat to Russian interests. President Putin and the Russian security services aim to counter U.S. foreign policy objectives in Europe, including in Ukraine, where Moscow wishes to reassert political and economic dominance. 101529 I say this not as an alarmist, but as a realist. I do not think long-term conflict with Russia is either desirable or inevitable. I continue to believe that we need to seek ways of stabilizing our relationship with Moscow even as we counter their efforts to harm us. Right now, Russia's security services and their proxies have geared up to repeat their interference in the 2020 election. We are running out of time to stop them. In the course of this investigation, I would ask that you please not promote politically driven falsehoods that so clearly advance Russian interests. 101602 As Republicans and Democrats have agreed for decades, Ukraine is a valued partner of the United States, and it plays an important role in our national security. And as I told this Committee last month, I refuse to be part of an effort to legitimize an alternate narrative that the Ukrainian government is a U.S. adversary, and that Ukraine-not Russia-attacked us in 2016. These fictions are harmful even if they are deployed for purely domestic political purposes. President Putin and the Russian security services operate like a Super PAC. They deploy millions of dollars to weaponize our own political opposition research and false narratives. 101637 When we are consumed by partisan rancor, we cannot combat these external forces as they seek to divide us against each another, degrade our institutions, and destroy the faith of the American people in our democracy. I respect the work that this Congress does in carrying out its constitutional responsibilities, including in this requiry, and I am here to help you to the best of my ability. 101701 If the President, or anyone else, impedes or subverts the national security of the United States in order to further domestic political or personal interests, that is more than worthy of your attention. But we must not let domestic politics stop us from defending ourselves against the foreign powers who truly wish us harm. I am ready to answer your questions. Thank you. 101723 SCHIFF>> Thank you, Dr. Hill. We will now proceed to the first round of questions as detailed in the memo provided to committee members, there will be 45 minutes of questions, conducted by the chairman or majority council, followed by 45 minutes of the ranking member or minority council. Following that, unless I specify additional equal time for extended questioning , we'll proceed under the five-mine rule and every member will have a chance to ask questions. I now recognize myself or majority council for the first round of questions. 101751 First of all, thank you both for being here. Thank you for testifying. Dr. Hill, your story reminds me a great deal of what we heard from Alexander vindman. The few immigrant stories we've heard just in the course of these hearings are among the most powerful, I think I've ever heard. You and colonel vindman and others are the best of this country and you came here by choice, and we are so blessed that you did. So, welcome. 101830 My colleagues took some umbrage with your opening statement but I think the American people can be forgiven if they have the same impression listening to some of the statement by my colleagues in this hearing, that Russia didn't intervene in our election, it was all the ukraiukrainians. There's been effort to take a tweet here and an op-ed there and a newspaper story here and somehow equate it with the systemic intervention that our intelligence agencies found that Russia perpetrated in 2016 through an extensive social media campaign and hacking and dumping operation. Indeed, the report my colleagues gave you that they produced during an investigation calls into question the accuracy of intelligence committees finding that Russia intervened to help one side, to help Donald Trump at the expense of Hillary Clinton. 191817 No one in the intelligence community questions that finding. Nor does the FBI. Nor does the senate bipartisan intelligence committee report, nor does the minority committee report of this committee. The house Republican report is an outlier. Let me ask you, Dr. Hill, about your concern with that Russian narrative, that it wasn't the Russians that engaged in interfering in our elections in 2016 and, of course, this was given a boost when president trump in Helsinki and president Putin said he questioned his own intelligence agencies. Why are the Russians pushing that narrative that it was Ukraine? How does that serve Russian interests? 101957 HILL >> The Russians' interests are, frankly, to delegitimize our entire presidency. So, one issue that I do want to raise, and I think that this would resonate with our colleagues on the committee from the Republican party, is that the goal of the Russians was really to put whoever became the president, by trying to tip their hands on one side of the scale, under a cloud. So, if Secretary, former first lady, former Senator Clinton had been elected as president, as indeed many expected in the run-up to the election in 2016, she, too, would have had major questions about her legitimacy. 102036 And I think that, you know, what we're seeing here as a result of all of these narratives, this is exactly what the Russian government was hoping for. If they seed misinformation, they seed doubt, they have everybody questioning the legitimacy of a presidential candidate, be it president Trump or potentially a president Clinton, that they would pit one side of our electorate against the other, that they would pit one party against the other. 102104 And that's why I wanted to make such a strong point at the very beginning, because there was certainly individuals in many other countries who had harsh words for both candidates, who had harsh words for many of the candidates during the primaries. We had a lot of people who were running for president on the Republican side. There were many people who were trying themselves to game the outcome. As you know, in the United Kingdom, the bookies take bets. You can go to Ladbrooks or William Hill and lay a bet on who you think is going to be the candidate. 102132 So, the Russian government were trying to lay their own bets but they wanted to do was give a spread. They wanted to make sure that whoever they bet on or whoever they tried to tip the scales would also experience some discomfort, that they would be holden to them in some way, that they would create just the kind of chaos that we've seen in our politics. So I just want to, again, emphasize that we need to be very careful as we discuss all of these issues, not to give them more fodder that they can use against us in 2020. 102201 SCHIFF>> I quite agree. There's an additional benefit. And I think you're absolutely right, the Russians are equal opportunity meddlers. They will not only help one side but they'll also just seek to sow discord along ethnic lines, religious lines, geographic lines but there's also a benefit now, isn't there, for Russia to put the blame on Ukraine, to cast doubt on whether they intervened at all in our election and blame it on a U.S. Ally as a way to drive a wedge between U.S. And Ukraine. Isn't that true? 102234 HILL>> Well, that's absolutely the case. And, in fact, you just made the point about U.S. Allies. The Russians like to put a lot of blame on U.S. Allies for incidents that they have perpetrated. We saw that recently with the United Kingdom and the Russian secret services attack on a former spy, Mr. Skripal and his daughter in Solsbury, in England, where you may recall that the Russians actually accused of the British government of perpetrating this themselves. So, this falls into a long pattern of deflection and of the Russian government trying to pin the blame on someone else. 102304 And as my colleague, Mr. Holmes here, has laid out, the Russians have a particular vested interest in putting Ukraine and Ukranians and Ukrainian leaders in a very bad light. All of the issues that we started to discuss today and that you on the committee have been deeply involved in began with Russia's illegal annexation on the peninsula of crimea from Ukraine in 2014, in response, in 2015 and all the different acts of aggression that Russia has engaged in since, starting the war in the Donbas, shooting down Russian operatives, a plane MH-17, over the Donbas at a later period. There is a great deal of hostility and maligned intent towards Ukraine and it suits the Russian government very much if we're also looking at Ukraine as, somehow, a perpetrator of maligned acts against us. 102356 SCHIFF>> Mr. Holmes I want to ask you a quick couple of questions. I guess often is the case for people, you know, I was obviously at your deposition, read your opening testimony, but as you learn more facts, you start to see things in a different light, even though your opening statement is very much consistent with your opening statement during the deposition. I was struck in particular by something you said on page ten of your opening statement. While we have advised our Ukrainian counterparts to voice a commitment to following the rule of law and generally investigate credible corruption allegations this was a demand that president zelensky personally commit on a cable news channel to a specific investigation of president trump's political rival. 102440 This gets to a point I made at the close of our hearing yesterday about hypocrisy. Here we are, and we are urging Ukrainians to commit to following the rule of law, as you said, and only investigate genuine and credible allegations. And what are we doing? We're asking them to investigate the president's political rival. Ukrainians are pretty sophisticated actors, aren't they? They can recognize hypocrisy when they see it. What does that do to our anti-corruption efforts when Ukrainians see we're engaging in corruption ourselves? 102519 HOLMES>> Yes, sir. Our longstanding policy is to encourage them to establish and build rule of law institutions that are capable and that are independent and that can actually pursue credible allegations. That's our policy. We've been doing that for quite some time with some success. So, focusing on particular cases, including in particular cases where there is an interest of the president is just not part of what we've done. It's hard to explain why we would do that. 102549 SCHIFF>> And harkens back to the conversation Ambassador Volker testified about, when he urged Ukraine not to investigate or prosecute poroshenko and the reply from Mr. Yermak was oh, you mean like you want us to do with the Bidens and the Clintons? They're sophisticated enough actors to recognize when we're saying do as say not as do, are they not? HOLMES>> Yes, sir. 102611 SCHIFF>> You also in your testimony, and I was struck by this anew today. When even after the aid is lifted, Ukraine still felt pressure to make these statements. And you and ambassador Taylor were worried that they were going to do it on CNN. And You said that ambassador Taylor again stressed the importance of staying out of the U.S. Politics and said he hoped that no interview was planned. Mr. Yermak did not answer but shrugged in resignation as if to indicate that they had no choice. 102646 In short, everyone thought there was going to be an interview and that the Ukrainians believed they had to do it. You're acknowledging I think, Mr. Holmes, are you not, that Ukraine very much felt pressured to undertake these investigations that the president, Rudy Giuliani and ambassador sondland and others were demanding? 102707 HOLMES>> Yes, sir. And although the hold on the security assistance may have been lifted, there were still things they wanted that they weren't getting, including a meeting with the president in the oval office. Whether the hold -- the security assistance hold continued or not, Ukrainians understood that was something that the president wanted and they still wanted important things from the president. So...and I think that continues to this day. I think they're being very careful. They still need us now, going forward. In fact, right now, president zelensky is trying to arrange a summit meeting with president Putin in the coming weeks, his first face-to-face meeting with him to try to advance the peace process. 102741 He needs our support. He needs president Putin to understand that America supports Zelensky at the highest levels. So, this doesn't end the lifting of the security assistance hold. Ukraine still needs us and, as I said, is still fighting this war to this very day. SCHIFF >> I would underscore, again, as my colleague did so eloquently, they got caught. That's the reason the aid was finally lifted. Mr. Goldman? 102806 GOLDMAN>> Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Good morning to both of you. Yesterday, we heard testimony from ambassador Gordon Sondland from the European union, who testified that president trump wanted Ukraine to announce the investigations into Biden -- the Bidens and Burisma and 2016 elections because they would benefit him politically and thathe used the leverage of that white house meeting and the security assistance to pressure president zelensky to do so. Dr. Hill, you testified, I believe, that in mid June, ambassador sondland told you that he was in charge of Ukraine policy. Is that right? 102844 HILL>> That's correct, sir, yes. GOLDMAN>> Who did he tell you had put him in charge of Ukraine policy? HILL>> He told me it was the president. GOLDMAN>> Mr. Holmes, did you also understand that ambassador sondland had been given some authority over Ukraine policy from the president? HOLMES>> We understood that he had been told to work with Mr. Giuliani. GOLDMAN>> And did he hold himself out as having direct contact and knowledge of the president's priorities and interests? HOLMES>> Yes, sir. 102917 GOLDMAN>> Now, Mr. Holmes, I want to go to that July 26th date when you overheard the conversation between ambassador Sondland and president trump. And I'm going to ask you a little bit about the lead-up to that conversation. Before the lunch that you described, you said that you accompanied ambassador sondland, Volker and Taylor to a meeting with president zelensky, is that right? HOLMES>> That's correct. GOLDMAN>> And you took notes at that meeting? HOLMES>> Yes, sir. 102948 GOLDMAN>> And you reviewed those notes before you came here to testify today? HOLMES>> Yes. GOLDMAN>> And they were helpful to refresh your recollection as to what happened, is that right? HOLMES>> Yes. GOLDMAN>> During that meeting, president Zelensky said that on his phone call with president trump the previous day, that three times president Trump had mentioned sensitive issues. Did you understand what president zelensky was referring to when he said the sensitive issues? 103017 HOLMES>> I couldn't be sure what he was referring to until I later read the transcript of the July 25th call, but I was aware of various contacts between the Three Amigos and his government about this set of issues. GOLDMAN>> And after you read the call, what did you determine to be the sensitive issues that president zelensky referenced? HOLMES>> The Burisma/Biden investigation. GOLDMAN>> After this meeting with president zelensky that testified that ambassador sondland had a one-on-one meeting with Andri Yermak, a top aide to Zelesnky, and that you were prohibited from going into that meeting to take notes, is that right? 103051 HOLMES>> Yes. GOLDMAN>> And yesterday, ambassador sondland testified that he probably discussed the investigations with Mr. Yermak. Did ambassador sondland tell you at all what they discussed? HOLMES>> He did not. GOLDMAN>> Now, after this meeting with Mr. Yermak, you went to lunch. And can you just describe where you were sitting at the restaurant? HOLMES>> Yes, sir, the restaurant has sort-of glass doors that open onto a terrace and we were at the first tables on the terrace, so immediately outside the interior of the restaurant. 103128 The doors were all wide open. There were---there was tables, a table for four. Although I recall it being two tables for two pushed together. In any case, it was quite a wide table and the table was set with sort of a table runner down the middle. I was directly across from ambassador Sondland. We were close enough we could share an appetizer between us and then two staffers were off to our right at this next table. 103154 GOLDMAN>> Now, you said that, at some point, ambassador sondland pulled out his cell phone and called president trump. This was an unsecure cell phone, is that right? HOLMES>> Yes, sir. GOLDMAN>> In the middle of a restaurant in Kyiv? HOLMES>> Yes. GOLDMAN>> Now, you said you were able to hear president Trump's voice through the receiver. How were you able to hear if it was not on speaker phone? 103224 HOLMES>> It was---Several things. It was quite loud when the president came on, quite distinctive. I believe ambassador sondland also said yesterday he often speaks loudly over the phone. And I certainly experienced that. He---when the president came on, he sort of winced and held the phone away from his ear like this. And he did that for the first couple of exchanges. I don't know if he then turned the volume down, if he got used to it, if the president moderated his volume, I don't know. But that's how I was able to hear. 103254 GOLDMAN>> So, you were able to hear some of what president trump said to president zelensky, is that right? HOLMES>> The first portion of the conversation, yes. GOLDMAN>> What did you hear president trump say to -- I'm sorry, not president zelensky, to ambassador sondland? HOLMES>> What did I hear? GOLDMAN>> The president say to ambassador sondland. HOLMES>> Yeah, he clarified whether he was in Ukraine or not. He said yes, I'm here in Ukraine and then ambassador sondland said he loves your ass. He'll do anything you want. He's going to do the investigation. 103324 GOLDMAN>> So you heard president trump ask ambassador sondland is he going to do the investigation? HOLMES>> Yes, sir. GOLDMAN>> What was ambassador sondland's response? HOLMES>> He said oh, yeah, he's going to do it. He'll do anything you ask. GOLDMAN>> And was that the end of the Ukraine portion of the conversation? HOLMES>> Yes. GOLDMAN>> Afterwards, you described a follow-up conversation you had with ambassador sondland where you asked him, I think, generally what did president trump think of Ukraine, is that right? HOLMES>> Correct. 103408 GOLDMAN>> What did ambassador sondland say to you? HOLMES>> He said he doesn't really care about Ukraine. GOLDMAN>> Did he use slightly more colorful language than that? HOLMES>> He did. GOLDMAN>> What did he say that he does care about? HOLMES>> He said he cares about big stuff. GOLDMAN>> Did he explain what he meant by big stuff? HOLMES>> Well, I asked him, what kind of big stuff, we have big stuff going on here, like a war with Russia. And he said no, big stuff like the Biden investigation that Mr. Giuliani is pushing. GOLDMAN>> Now, were you familiar with the Biden investigation that he referenced at that point? HOLMES>> Yes, sir. 103444 GOLDMAN>> How do you have such a specific and clear recollection of this conversation with the president and your conversation with ambassador sondland? HOLMES>> This was a very distinctive experience. I've never seen anything like this in my foreign service career, someone at a lunch in a restaurant making a call on a cell phone to the president of the United States, being able to hear his voice, very distinctive personality. We've all seen him on television. Very colorful language was used. They were directly addressing something that I had been wondering about, working on for weeks and even months. A topic that had led to the recall of my former boss, the former ambassador. And so here was a person who said he had direct contact with the president, and said that over the course of time. Here he is, actually having that contact with the president. Hearing the president's voice and then talking about this issue of the Biden investigation that I had been hearing about. 103550 GOLDMAN>> So just to summarize, during this, the phone call that you overheard ambassador sondland have with president trump, you heard president trump himself ask the only question that you really heard him ask, I believe, is whether he was going to do the investigation, to which ambassador sondland responded that he would and he would, in fact, do anything that president zelensky wants. Is that an accurate recitation of what happened? HOLMES>> That's correct. 103620 GOLDMAN>> And then after that call you had a subsequent conversation with ambassador sondland where he in sum and substance told you that the president doesn't care about Ukraine, he only cares about big stuff related to himself and particularly the Biden investigation that Giuliani was pushing? HOLMES>> Correct. GOLDMAN>> Now a day before your lunch with ambassador sondland, president trump did speak with president zelensky as you referred. Certainly the president made it clear to president zelensky that he cared about the Biden investigation. Now, neither of you did listen to this call, but as you testified, you both read it subsequent to it its publication. Dr. Hill you, during your time, 2 1/2 years in the white house, listened to number of presidential phone calls. Is that right? HILL>> That's right. GOLDMAN>> Can you estimate approximately how many? HILL>> I can't, actually. I mean, sometimes there would be multiple calls during a week. I was there for more than two years, so it's a fair number. 103723 GOLDMAN>> Have you ever heard a call like this one that you read? HILL>> I don't want to comment on this call because this is, in my view, executive privilege. In terms of the testimony -- COUNSEL>> I think that, as a threshold matter, I think that there are issues of classification regarding head of state communications that we do want to be sensitive to in this forum, among other issues. GOLDMAN>> Understood. I'm really just focused on this one call that has been declassified and published and just asking you whether you ever heard any presidential phone call along those---along these lines. 103758 HILL>> Well, again, I would like to just focus, in this testimony, on this particular call and I will just say that I found this particular call's subject matter and the way it was conducted surprising. GOLDMAN>> You said in your deposition testimony that you were very shocked and very saddened to read it. HILL>> That's correct. GOLDMAN>> Why was that? HILL>> Because of the nature of the discussion, the juxtaposition of the issues in which they were raised and also given the fact that I, myself, had actually opposed, along with Ambassador Bolton for some period, having a call unless it was very well prepared and we were confident that the issues that Ukraine and the United States were most generally together interested in were going to be raised. And I saw in this call that this was not the case. 103847 GOLDMAN>> You also testified that you were concerned that this call was turning a white house meeting into some kind of asset. Do you recall that testimony? HILL>> I don't think it was specifically about that call but I recall the testimony because this was clearly the discussion preceding the call. Remember, I left on July 19th, and the call took place the following week. In the months leading up to that, from May onwards, it became very clear that the white house meeting itself was being predicated on other issues, namely investigations and the questions about the elect interference in 2016. 103928 GOLDMAN>> Mr. Holmes, you indicate in your opening statement that the chief of staff to President Zelensky had indicated to you that in this phone call on July 25th there was a discussion about personnel issues related to the Prosecutor General's office. After you read the call, did you understand who and what that was referring to? 103952 HOLMES>> Yes, sir. In that brief meeting with the chief of staff, it was very confusing to me why in only the few minutes we had, why that would have been the issue he raised. So, it wasn't until I read the transcript of the call on the 25th that I understood that the president had specifically mentioned prosecutor general Lutsenko, who the Zelensky administration was in the process of replacing and carving out all of his, sort of, underlings who had been collaborating with him on some of the corruption we saw there. 104021 GOLDMAN>> And, yeah, I believe you also said that president Lutsenko was the source of some of Mr. Giuliani's public views and allegations, is that right? HOLMES>> Yes sir, so about two weeks before the press kind of wave that we saw targeting Ambassador Yovanovitch became public, embassy contact had reported to us privately that Mr. Lutsenko was sending these messages and had met with an American journalist to try to get those messages out. 104052 GOLDMAN>> What was the U.S. Embassy and Ukraine's view of prosecutor general Lutsenko? HOLMES>> He was not a good partner. He had failed to deliver on the promised reforms that he had committed to when he took office, and he was using his office to insulate and protect political allies while presumably enriching himself. GOLDMAN>> Is another way to describe that, "corrupt"? HOLMES>> Yes. 104126 GOLDMAN>> Now, I want to take a look at a couple of excerpts of this July 25th call with you. And the first one occurs right after president Zelensky thanked president trump for the United States' support in the area of defense. And president trump immediately then says, "I would like you to do us a favor, though, because our country has been through a lot and Ukraine knows a lot about it. I would like you to find out what happened with this whole situation with Ukraine. They say crowdstrike. I guess you have one of your wealthy people, the server, they say Ukraine has it." Now, Dr. Hill, is this a reference to this debunked conspiracy theory about Ukraine interference in the 2016 election that you discussed in your opening statement, as well as with chairman Schiff? 104215 HILL>> The reference to Crowdstrike and the server, yes, that's correct. GOLDMAN>> And it is your understanding that there is no basis for these allegations, is that correct? HILL>> That's correct. 104228 GOLDMAN>> Now, isn't it also true that some of President Trump's most senior advisers had informed him that this theory of Ukraine interference in the 2016 election was false? HILL>> That's correct. GOLDMAN>> So, is it your understanding, then, that President Trump disregarded the advice of his senior officials about this theory and instead listened to Rudy Giuliani's views? HILL>> That appears to be the case, yes. 104254 GOLDMAN>> And I also then want to just show one other exhibit that goes back to what you were testifying earlier, Dr. Hill, about Russia's interest in promoting this theory. This is an excerpt from a February 2nd, 2017, news conference between President Putin and Prime Minister Orban. Where Putin says Second, as we all know during the presidential campaign in the United States, the Ukrainian government adopted a unilateral position in favor of one candidate, More than that oligarchs certainly with the approval of the political leadership, funded this female candidate, to be more precise. Mr. Holmes you spent three years as well in the U.S. Embassy in Russia. Why would it be to Vladimir Putin's advantage to promote this theory of Ukraine interference? 104348 HOLMES>> First of all, to deflect from the allegations of Russian interference. Second of all, to drive a wedge between the United States and Ukraine, which Russia wants to essentially get back into its sphere of influence. Thirdly, to besmirch Ukraine and its political leadership, to degrade and erode support of Ukraine from other key partners in Europe and elsewhere. 104411 GOLDMAN>> Dr. Hill, by promoting this theory of Ukrainian interference in the 2016 election, was president trump adopting Vladimir Putin's view over his own senior advisers and intelligence officials? HILL >> I think we have to be very careful about the way that we phrase that. This is a view that president Putin and the Russian security services, and many actors in Russia have promoted. But I think that this view has also got some traction, perhaps in parallel and separately here in the United States. And those two th