CPAC CONFERENCE DAY 1 POOL P4 (HD) DON MCGAHN, ALEX ACOSTA, TED CRUZ, BETSY DEVOS
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a lot.
A lot of these different responses that state dictators would have to America come on the heels of how they perceive us. It is time, and has president trump has begun to do, secretary Mattis has done with almost the complete decimation of ISIS. The realize nation that America has to be reckoned with, and that reckoning, that reckoning means -- how many of you think that means with ISIS gone, that radical Islamic threat will go away? Nobody. You have earned one -- the Turkish president radicalizing his population, the Saudi's still pushing -- maybe they are marginalizing brotherhood ideology, but Pakistan, interaction islamism, all over the world, islamism is still thriving and we are not on the offense. We need to start realizing that not military, we will not win this militarily. Until we take liberty and
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freedom on the offense in an information war, just like the Russians have done here, the islamists and immigrants have their ideals here, we need to have an offense for countering violent islamism, not just extremism. [Applause]
I wish we had more time. Iran, Venezuela, North Korea, we could have touched on so many things. I would like to thank our panelists for laying out the core national security threats for the United States. Thank you for all being here and supporting. Thank you to our panel. [Applause] ??
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A CONVERSATION WITH THE HONORABLE DON MCGAHN INTERVIEWED BY DR. LARRY ARNN, HILLSDALE COLLEGE SPONSORED EVENT, CAPITAL RESEARCH CENTER
Ladies and gentlemen, a conversation with the honorable Donald McGahn, interviewed by the president of Hillsdale College, Dr. Larry Arnn. ??
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Hello, if you are here and you think that America is important, you probably think the greatest man in America is Donald Trump. A very high on the list after him would be his white house counsel, don began, who is doing some of the most interesting and important things in the
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administration. We will begin by letting him tell us what the white house counsel is.
Mr. Mcgahn: The counsel to the president is an appointed position, directly answerable to the president. It is not a career spot. I am appointed by president trump. The white house counsel's office has existed since 1943. It is the primary legal advisor to the president, where I advised the president on a range of issues, from constitutional law, executive power, whether or not we can go to war, judicial selection, administrative law, government law that the president has to encounter on a day-to-day basis.
And that involves you and just about everything.
Mr. Mcgahn: Unfortunately, yes.
Hard for you to say that I didn't do it. One of the best things about the trump administration has been the number of judges that got confirmed and the quality of them.
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What do you have to do with that?
Mr. Mcgahn: I am the primary advisor to the president on that, and try to keep giving the president and vice. My best advice and counsel on who he should nominate. Under the constitution, the power of nomination is with the president, expressly in the constitution. But he cannot just appoint justices. He has to go through the senate. With the vice consent of the senate, he can appoint judges. It is a time-consuming process. I the one who handles the senate contacts, mostly. It is not the sort of thing the president can merely do on his own. It is a team effort between the president and the senate, and I am the one that has to walk into the oval office and advise the president on various recommendations. He makes every decision, he is very engaged in it. He ran on the idea of the judicial branch needing some help. He has delivered on those promises, and I am happy to be the person that is most involved at the staff level.
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Dr. Arnn what do you look for in a judge?
Mr. Mcgahn: The president looks for people with excellent credentials, the temperaments, but what the president likes are folks who have demonstrated some short of courage or ability to stand strong in the face of adversity. People who know that when you get on the bench, they will not change and turn it to someone else. [Applause] -- Into someone else. [Applause]
Mr. Mcgahn: What I do in my analysis is look for those qualities that I know the president wants, and we look or things that a person's background that demonstrate they have the commitment to the notion of the rule of law, meaning they are living in standards that are set forth, preferably in legislation, and whether they will give that full measure, or will they be inclined to create the law on their own? Will they stand strong in the
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face of public criticism, or will they respond to the editorial pages, or will daily -- they read the law as written? You can get a sense of the person about how strong they will be and how not -- how strong they won't be. They look good on paper, but in practice you get the sense they will not follow through. Other folks look good on paper, but they have some fortitude. The president looks for folks who, not surprisingly, have demonstrated the ability to stand strong, as he has his whole life. He looks for folks that he can relate to in that way.
Dr. Arnn: There are two things happening, and I wonder if they are coincidental. There is a major effort in the trump administration, coherent and strategic and articulated to try and do something about reining in the regulatory state, and just as Gorsuch is an expert -- justice Gorsuch is the next part on those areas -- is an
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expert on those areas in the Chevron doctrine.
Mr. Mcgahn: It is part of a larger plan, I suppose. Justice Gorsuch will be a tremendous justice. It has been an honor to get to know him in the process, and the presidents of electing him to be on the supreme court. What stood out in his record was his track record on speaking about administrative law. You mentioned Chevron, some people have heard this idea of Chevron deference. It is a reference to a supreme court case from 1984, which is the case often cited by courts to give deference to unelected agencies, determinations as to what the law is. In other words, it is a statute in theory, and do the regulations stand consistent or not with the statute. The courts are increasingly preferential with unelected agencies.
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The legislature under article one of the constitution, not in and an elected agency had -- unelected agency head. Judge Gorsuch wrote a concurring opinion on the idea of Chevron, whether it was constitutional. A well-written opinion cited by many. It was his standout opinion at the 10th circuit. His view was that courts ought not defer to unelected agency heads. It is records to say with the law is, the legislature to pass the law, the courts to enforce the law. What resonated with the president was that he was a person with impeccable credentials, wonderful character, great man, but frankly stuck his neck out on an issue that anyone else would fear may hurt their chances of promotion to the higher court. But judge Gorsuch is not that kind of person. He is leading the vanguard on
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this. You see this catching on more and more. There was a time not long ago where no one really spoke of administrative law or administrative state, or whatever one wants to college, and now you see more legal conferences on this, the federalist society have their lawyers conference last year, and the whole topic was a ministry law -- administrative law. The president has a great handle on curbing the unelected from the idea of overregulation. If you look at the amount of regulation we have had passed over the years, the amount of regulations in the 1960's was maybe this much, and now it feels warehouses of things -- filled warehouses of things. One needs to say enough is enough. On the judicial piece, other judges -- one of the things we interview on is the view on administrative law. The president is nominating a number of people who have some experience, if not expertise, in
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dealing with the government, particularly in a regulatory apparatus. This is different than judicial selection. The president is looking for a well-rounded, holistic person who ever stands -- understands secretary powers, the role of the legislative state, the judicial and the executive. So they are the flipside of the same coin.
Dr. Arnn: One would think congress would have a huge stake in this, because article one starts out "All the legislative powers herein granted," and that is interesting, because article two about the president and article three do not have that word, "All." Most of the laws in America are made in the bureaucracy. The number of laws passed by congress and the last 100 years has not really changed. That is what makes big government possible.
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What do you think can be done about that? What can congress do and what can the executive branch do?
Mr. Mcgahn: With congress, this is not something that happened overnight. This has been happening for decades and decades and decades. You cannot get any particular room for congress, but there is safety in numbers, I suppose. What has happened is overtime, congress has passed broad sweeping statutes that are not particularly detailed. They give broad power to administrative agencies, the EPA, for example, was told to make the air and the water clean. There is not a lot of detail on that, which leaves the bureaucracy to fashion what would otherwise be thought of as legislation. Congress used to legislate more. They do not seem to legislate much anymore. They tend to do broader statutes that lean towards regulatory power. This goes back to Woodrow Wilson, probably before the idea
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of having unelected experts make the big decisions, getting politics out of the political decisions. It is not the way it is supposed to work in our country. You have elected representatives to pass the laws and you are accountable, -- who are accountable. This is dry stuff, I know, thank you for the applause -- start out -- shout out to stage left. [Applause]
Mr. Mcgahn: The first thing, congress can legislate and focus on the meaning of the word. I ran a federal agency once upon a time, and I met with another agency head who came to have lunch with me and run -- get tips on running agencies. She says if she had known what she knew running in congress, she would have changed your view on legislation. Congress debates various micro-changes in language and fight each other to a draw,
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merely to take the decision and shifted to an unaccountable, unelected branch. It is kind of its own branch of government now. Those decisions tend to trend to the left. When the legislator, the gaps are getting it -- getting filled a way that is not conducive to liberty. -- To conduct oversight on how it's legislation is actually working out. They ought to do that. It is counterintuitive for the office of the president to encourage the congress to do oversight, but they ought to do that. They ought to roll up their sleeves and see how this works out, not just do this sort of oversight that gets headlines, but gets the oversight into the nitty-gritty of how the laws are being implemented. Or are a number of statutes that have been on the books for years and years, and they continue to
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proceed a page without much in the way of review. Periodically, congress should take a hard look at these pieces of legislation and see they are working as intended. Chances are they are not. The third thing congress can do is to, with all due respect, read the constitution and realize that there are -- [applause]
Mr. Mcgahn: There are powers that belong to the congress and the congress only. They are enumerated powers. The executive branch does not have enumerated powers. Executive authority is vested in the president. That makes my job a little more challenging. We do not have a list of enumerated powers that I can look to when I want to advise the president on what he can or cannot do. Congress sometimes wants to do executive kind of things, judicial things, judges seem to want to fill in gaps and write a law, but what congress can do is try to join us in an effort to try and reframe who does what,
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in a way, more consistent with the original meaning of the constitution. There are three branches for a reason. The president is committed to this, he ran on this. When president trump was a candidate, he talked about judicial selection. This was a shorthand for the idea of rule of law and getting us back to basics. He did it very effectively, and that is what he is doing. There is so much going on than you do not read about in the mainstream media on this, but there is so much good work going on to restore us back to the condo mental -- fundamentals. And bring accountability to the people, precisely the kind of people that elected president trump to do what he is doing now.
Dr. Arnn: It is remarkable, remarkable to me. There is a promise that you will repeal two regulations for everyone passed, the ratio is better than that.
Mr. Mcgahn: Way better, yes. That is how president trump does things.
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He overshoots. He overshoots the expectation.
Dr. Arnn: An executive order, the president wanted this out of the gate, and one of the things I do is help draft these executive orders. I am a scribe in the back room, writing this up. The executive orders specifically on regulatory review and fundamental change. One of the aspects of this was the idea of 241. The executive order direct executive branch agencies when it comes to making regulations, for every new regulation you need to remove two from the books. So you do not have this constant piling up a regulations on top of regulations. We have done some numbers on this. The ratio is 22-1, so it has been wildly successful. We are very proud of that. There was a number of regulations passed in the last year or two of the previous administration quite hastily, and a lot of what has been
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removed from the books are those regulations. So that is just beginning. There is also something called the congressional review act, which congress has used for the first time in this first year of the administration. There have been a couple of examples where they have done this, but this is a law that allows congress to essentially veto regulations. When they cede that power, they have to have a final say. Congress struck a number of regulations, and we hope that they continue to do that. The 2-1 comes from an executive order, and it shows how much the president is committed to cutting through the red tape and getting back to the more familiar structure that our founders and previous generations had, one that we can rely on.
Dr. Arnn: I think we have to close, but congratulations and thank you. A fabulous year.
Mr. Mcgahn: Thank you. [Applause] ??
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A CONVERSATION WITH SECRETARY ALEX ACOSTA INTERVIEWED BY KAY COLES JAMES, THE HERITAGE FOUNDATION
Ladies and gentlemen, a
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conversation with secretary Alex Acosta, posted with the heritage foundation. ??
Hello, is everybody back from lunch? Everyone excited about the afternoon? [Applause] Good job. I'm delighted to be here with a good friend. We both had the pleasure of serving in the previous administration together, and now I get to call you Mr. Secretary. You need to know a little bit, because I think it is so impressive. Not only Harvard law, but Harvard undergrad? I'm impressed, are you? The president said he was going
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to surround himself with some of America's best and brightest, and boy, did he ever. Parents were refugees from communist Cuba. You actually were a clerk for justice Alito?
Yes.
Impressive. To the president did not let us down with the best and brightest. Let's start with what the secretary of labor does? Then we will get into the meat of it.
Alex Acosta
Sec. Acosta: When I described department of labor, I put it into three buckets. First, we enforce the laws. We have workplace laws, workplace safety laws, we make sure the labor laws are followed , and that is incredibly important. That is a law enforcement function. The second part that is really important, the department of labor, we have a workforce
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education component. I know that secretary Devos is speaking later today, and she and I work very closely together, because she is that the department of education, I am at the department of labor, but it is our jobs to provide workforce education to the men and women that are working. We want to make sure they are not just ready for today's jobs, but for tomorrow's jobs. We are constantly up skilling. The third part is we set the labor policy for the united States, and that is much broader than a lot of folks realize. For example, employee benefits. The health care that one receives from employers, retirement benefits, all of that comes under the department of labor.
Big job. Let's talk about crumbs for a minute. [Applause]
Let's talk about crumbs in the form of tax cuts that brought us more jobs, higher
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wages, employee bonuses -- [applause]
Thank you for the part that you played in that, and we would like to think that at the heritage foundation, we play in a small part in helping to develop that policy and shepherded through -- shepherd it through. How important do you think tax reform is to creating jobs in this country? Sec. Acosta: I would ask that question to the more than 4 million Americans that have thus far received a bonus and increase in their retirement savings -- 4 million Americans and counting.
Here, here. Sec. Acosta: That is a lot of folks out there, and they are not crumbs.
When you look at the checks that people received in December and all the way through, who could call that crumbs other than someone who is totally out of touch with the rest of America? Sec. Acosta: But this also goes
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to something that is so important -- look at this economy. In essence, it has become a trump economy. If you look at the unemployment rate, the lowest in 17 years, 4.1%, and the federal reserve is saying it is going to go even lower. A little over a year ago, they said 3% growth cannot happen. All the experts out there said 3% growth is never going to happen. Well, we are just about at 3% growth and are continuing to grow. Just today, the second lowest jobless claims since 1973.
Hear, hear. Sec. Acosta: And here is why they are the second lowest. Because the lowest level was just last month. So that tells you how great this economy is doing.
In the last panel, we heard a bit about deregulation and the fantastic job that this
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administration is doing. I know you had some interesting views on deregulation -- it is not just about cost, it is also about -- sec. Acosta: Liberty. Let me talk about this a little bit. You heard from Mr. Mcghan that 22-1, 20 two regulations have been taken off the books for every regulation -- 22 regulations have been taken off the books for every regulation put on. And the way the government looks at regulations and a lot of folks in Washington look at regulations, they say what is the cost versus the benefit? They tend to monetize it. That is important, because we do not want to impose costs on the American workforce and the American people. But I think that is only part of the question. Washington likes to measure. They like to say we have taken off X billion dollars in burden, and that is really important to
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measure and easy to measure. But here is the question I would ask all of you -- what is the cost in terms of liberty? And that is a lot harder to talk about, because that is harder talk about because that is qualitative. You need to make judgments. Ultimately, one of the things that makes America great is freedom, is liberty. We should not be regulated unless there is a real need for that regulation. [Applause] Sen. Acosta thank you. I think it is so important that we talk about the regulation in the context of liberty. Let's offer freedom to the people to do as they believe it is right unless there is a real reason not to do that. [Applause]
Hear, hear. So glad you are in that job. Let's talk for a minute about the regulation -- deregulation. The president has asked you to
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look at how to lower the cost of health care. I know use -- you have some innovative ideas. Can you share that? Sen. Acosta: I am very excited about a proposal reported and we ask the public to comment and we welcome comments from all individuals and this is what this proposal is about. Under Obamacare, a different standard applies to what is called the large group market, the corporations, than to small businesses and sole proprietors. Small businesses have a grater -- greater regulatory burden. I ask, why would we put more of a burden on the small business than on the big corporation but that is what congress did. This is a problem because there are 11 million Americans and their families working for small businesses or for themselves
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that do not get health care from their employer. They do not have that option. What this proposal would do is it would create what is called a small business health plan by an association -- or an association health plan. By the way, someone who is working for themselves from home , running an etsy, Ebay marketplace would qualify for this proposal. [Applause] Sen. Acosta: Sole proprietors, it would say they have the freedom to band together to create a large association and that large association can access the market just like a big corporation. This is about leveling the playing field. Why should small businesses have greater regulation than the large corporations? It is transformative.
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Those 11 million folks, they are in essence forced to not have health care look to the individual market or the exchanges. That is expensive. More access, more choice, for more people at a more affordable rate. That is what that is about. [Applause]
As the mom of a small businesswoman, thank you, thank you. One of the things of the president said was one of his top priorities was bringing jobs back to America. The folks out there and the folks watching at home one to know, what is your part of that and what are you doing to bring those jobs back home? Sen. Acosta: We are working incredibly hard to bring those jobs to America and job creation. 2.6 million net jobs since the election.
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2.6 million more Americans are working. [Applause] Sen. Acosta: I've heard it said, this is not about president trump, this is a continuation of what was happening. You know the areas that have grown them -- the most? Manufacturing and construction. This is all about what president trump is doing to energize our economy and to create jobs. Something we are doing at the department of labor is we are working to provide workforce education. As these jobs are created, job creators want to hire more Americans, but some Americans are not getting the skills they need from our education system so we need to hold higher education accountable. When he just say, are you graduating the students, are you graduating them with the right job in the right skills, and to those skills lead to family
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sustaining jobs? We also need to say, there are a lot of options out there -- I individuals to follow their career path of choice -- allow individuals to follow their career path of choice. For some, that may be college graduation, another, it may be a certificate. It should be a family sustaining job.
Excellent. [Applause]
In my preparation for our time together this afternoon, I learned a new term for it it was -- a new term. It was called a "Gig" economy. Can you explain what a gig is?
Sen. Acosta: If you are a musician, you take on a gig. But I like to call it the entrepreneurial economy because
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we have so many Americans out there that have used technology to start their small businesses that have been empowered to do what they want and to design their own working environment. From the Uber driver to that man or woman that runs an Ebay marketplace from their home, these are entrepreneurs and they are what make America great.
Hear, hear. Sen. Acosta: We have not changed our labor laws in decades. These are the individuals that do not have access to health care because health care does not think about them. These are the individuals that do not easily fall within the employer/employee structure. One of the reasons I am so excited about this health care proposal is not only that it is going to make health care more affordable and more accessible, but
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it is going to knowledge to our economy is full of entrepreneurs with -- and more accessible, but it is going to acknowledge our economy is full of entrepreneurs. The small businesswoman, small businessman needs to be treated on the same level as the corporations.
I want the American people to know who you are. I want them to understand why someone would commit their lives to coming in, going through what you had to go through in the nomination process, why do you do it? Why did you commit your life to public service? Sen. Acosta: I have always had a deep commitment to public service. I had the privilege -- we actually worked together in president George W. Bush's administration.
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I found that the felling and to be here as a member president trump's cabinet is an incredible honor for me. More importantly, I feel really good about what I do. This proposal to offer health care, private, non-government health care to 11 million Americans and their families changes lives. It gives them options. Those individuals that are thinking, do I start my own business, do I leave my employer and do what I dreamed of but maybe I cannot because I cannot get health care, maybe now they can do it. That makes me feel really good about what I do. I want to go one step deeper. I had a thought a few weeks ago. I was at the state of the union. I walked in, and I had the privilege of sitting in the
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second row. It struck me that my parents came here as refugees, nothing on them, they had been in high school, they married young, they went right to work -- college was not a possibility for them. And here I am in the second row in the house of representatives as the president of the united States delivers the state of the union. [Applause]
Wow. Sen. Acosta: This is not about me. Because the story is replicated thousands and thousands of times across America at different levels. Because that is what makes this nation special -- merit,
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opportunity, freedom. That is what makes this nation unique and great. That is something we need to protect.
Hear, hear. [Applause] That is why -
sen. Acosta: That is why despite all of the noise and the combinations of changed, despite all of that noise, these are incredible opportunities. For a short period of time, we are powered -- we are empowered to be defenders of that liberty and that is something really, really special.
Indeed, it is. Secretary acosta.com on behalf of everyone here, we want to thank you for your service to this country and to think the kids on the project and the kid who was the son of refugees can
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make it to this stage, do we love this country are what? [Applause]
Thank you. Sen. Acosta: Thank you very much. ??
Ladies and gentlemen, finding hope and a father's loss, a conversation with Eric Boeing and Sabrina Schaeffer. [Applause]
FINDING HOPE IN A FATHER'S LOSS: A CONVERSATION WITH SABRINA SCHAEFFER AND ERIC BOLLIN
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Eric: Wow, thank you all for coming out. This is an important topic. Love you, too. Sabrina: There is a full room. An important topic and I have to tell you, I was a little nervous when they called and asked if I would talk to you about this. I have three children and I said, I do not know if I can do this. We are here to hear about your son Eric. Eric: The me throw a couple of numbers out -- let me throw a couple of numbers out. You are nervous because of the topic. I've become an accidental experts in the topic of opioid overdoses and I did not want to be here. I did not think I would be standing on the stage talking to you about this. On September 8th of this past year, my wife and I were driving home from dinner and we
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got that phone call that every parent dreads and it was a young man hysterical and said call Kayla right away. I called and she was crying. I member the first thing out of my mind is, is he alive? And she said, no. My wife was driving and she spilled onto the roadway, I picked her up, and we sat, and we went to this area that I cannot explain. As a parent, you worry about that call, but is deeper and darker than you can ever imagine. So I become in the last six months -- I have done as much as I can to bring the opioid crisis to the front. 175 people per day die from opioid overdoses. Wanted 175 people per day or 54,000 last year were died from the water or something in the meat
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system, we would be spending billions upon billions of dollars making sure it stopped. I've become an opioid axon -- accidental expert. I spoke to president trump. In the deep, dark times that my wife and I were having, we were going to sit down for the Thanksgiving dinner -- there was an empty chair. We are walking over to the table and the phone rang. It was president trump who said, Eric, no one should have to lose a child and we are thinking of you. Very, very important that he did that. [Applause] Eric: He has been great. He showed empathy and compassion so I used as an opportunity to say, Mr. President, can I come
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talk to you about this. And I have. I've gone to the white house couple of times as a volunteer. The word needs to get out. They are doing a great job. They have some initiatives they are starting. But they can do more. We can always do more. They are focusing on the supply side so a lot of the pills that are coming in legally or illegally are coming in from China -- Sabrina: By mail? Eric: By mail and the supply side so there is a lot coming in. The demand side -- we really needed to talk to kids about how dangerous these drugs are. When you said you are nervous -- I go on to Twitter and I use my Twitter as a meeting point for people who are touched by the opioid crisis and there are
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literally millions. I've had 2000 people put stories up on my Twitter. Here is something that is -- to hundred thousand people puts -- 200,000 people put stories up my Twitter. But "Not my kid syndrome" -- it is dangerous. I've had people say I had a star athlete, or the prom queen, are prompting, really popular -- opioids killed, they do care if you're black, white, gay, straight, they do not care. It is an unbiased killer of our kids. If you are under 50 in America, the most likely reason you're going to die accidentally is from opioid. Sabrina: Those stats are terrifying. One misperception is that they have
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all had surgeries or chronic pain but stories are different. Eric: It is both. A lot of young athletes -- a young woman who was a soccer player who blew heard me out to end prescribed opioids and overdose. My son, he passed on September 8 , it was a very unbelievable Time for us. The coroner came back and said he had passed from xanax and fentanyl. College campus is across the country, there are people trading, and buying xanax and giving prescriptions to other people. He took anax alaced fentanyl. It is both.
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It is an addiction -- pain relief that returns to addiction that end up killing some people because they wile Ong drugs, or sometimes they are buying stuff from the street. Hot batches that contain too much of something. Those are true accidental deaths. Sabrina: A lot of people are thinking that can we be doing? This opens of a holy discussion on the war on drugs, is is all about the health care system -- there are a lot of great innovations to bring drugs that are non-addictive so what should our goal be in the next 12 months? Eric: It is really one of those were you need all of the above. I'm going to put it out there. I lost a son. I heard last week that Purdue pharmaceuticals said that they're going to cut their sales in half.
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At first glance, that sounds a good idea. As I dig deeper into this, second glance -- why is there a massive salesforce to sell a pain reliever? Why does the a pharmaceutical company have a massive salesforce to put -- it feels like a push. They are pushing the pain reliever on to the health care system versus pull. It did not compute to me. The next question is, are they the only ones doing it? There is a middle level well that may be getting involved. I ink the system has to be examined. The good ns is that president trump has pushed for more awareness and more loxr and the budget saw $6 billion over the ne two years for increased opioid awareness.
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Sabra: It is a start. I have three children, not quite have the age of your son, but what you tell someone like myself or husband my oldest is er:p what I' learned on ids are @ being targeted younger and younger so it is not college-age anymore. Now it is middle school age. Have the conversations with your kids. Use me as an example. My son was sophomore at the university of Colorado. He had a great freshman year. Very social, lot of friends, there was nothing that gave us the impression that I would be on the stage right now. I will tell you O thing, and the last couple of weeks before his death, his personality changed or manically. -- Changed dramatically.
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He was a Colorado, marijuana is legal, and he would say, dad, I got this. He had it until he D not have it. In the last W ek personality change was dramatic, read the signs and do not have the "Not my kid syndrome", have the conversation. Sabrina: That% is a great place to end an everyone in this room is sorry for your loss. [Applause]
Ic: Thank you. Sabrina: Thank you.
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PANEL: BREAKING BAD: WHAT IT TAKES TO RISE ABOVE CIRCUMSTANCES: PART 2) INTERVIEWED BY GRETA VAN SUSTERAN, VOICE OF AMERICA DIR. ANDREW BREMBERG, WHITE HOUSE DOMESTIC POLICY COUNCIL GOV. PETER SHUMLIN (VT) LT. GOVERNOR MARY TAYLOR (OH)
What it takes to rise above circumstances. Please welcome Andrew Bamberg, governor Jeff, and your host Greta. ?? [applause]
Good afternoon. Very happy to be here at to moderate this that it was panel about a very distressing issue -- an issue that is bipartisan. It affects Republicans, democrats, independents, everybody and my panelists -- I want to get started right away. This really is a problem we all need to think about and talk about. Let's start with lieutenant governor of Ohio, why is this topic important to you?
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Y do you want to talk about this one?
This is an issue that impacts every family. It has impacted my family. I've also seen it in the state of Ohio. I've talked to parents who hav lost loved ones. I have talked people who are suffering in the crisis that I isdd it has touched everything the peon'we need good leaders they will and upnd provide real solutions to give hope and help anheald G many individuals today that are suerg.
Greta: Andrew, governor -- government cannot solve every probm. Vementn this crisis which is nation opiode and a health epidemic?
Andrew: Thank you, Greta. I just have the say how thankful I to back at CPAC.
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As a conservative, this is a a lorta issue. Work t trump who vigors lonhis sue in states that have been devastated b mic, help us understand why is an sue. You are right. Rnment H legitimate LE in tackling certain issues. We love living in a society which does not do everything, but the government has to do important things well. This is an area where government has really failed. That something president trump talked about as a candidate and has lead on in th last ar. He is talked about the need for states and localities, medical professionals, law enforcement to come together to address the ISIS. Greta: If you're easy come it would've been solved a long time ag like North Korea, North Korea would been solved decades ago.
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64,000 people died in to give you reference, car accidents do not compress much. Vern, what strategy what new ideas are what can be done?
First of all, thank you for having me because there's in a bipartisan issue. As a governor, we are all dealing with it. The question is what are you doing about it? This ione to solve. Most people do not say that. If we have the courage. Why are we in this mess? Why are we on a stage were you just heard from Eric about his son, the lieutenant governor is dealing with this challenge with both of her sons, wire we all in this mess? Why we lost more folks to oak -- opioid addiction in the year 2000 and we lost in world War II and Vietnam combined? What changed? In the 1990's, we approved OxyContin. We told the public health care
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professionals and the fda, we have got the first non-addictive painkiller and we all were so rejoice all. -- Rejoiceful. It turns out they were wrong and not only were they wrong, they pleaded guilty to lying to the fda. 85% of the folks addicted to heroin start with fda approved pills that you pick up in your drugstore. The question is, what is the solution? My view is, if governors like me do criminal justice reform, we build out treatment, we all do the same things, but it is after folks have become addicted. This is the worst disease to have that one can contract in terms of the fight, the struggle, what does your family, what it does to your lives. My answer is a simple one, there are two things we can do. Number one, the fda should
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revisit the decision they made about passing out painkillers like candy now that we have admitted that they go lied [applause] To in the first place.
Second, just like we had in tobacco, we have got governors like me, journey generals, lieutenant governors all over the country, mayors, we are all suing the folks who put us in this message try to get the money for treatment and changes in behavior. Why do we do it we did with tobacco and get them all in a room, the president of the United States, president trump has the ability to be the winner on this. President Obama mess this one up when he reduced the burden of proof for the pill mill folks -- that is where folksy a lot of these pills. The Obama administration reduce the burden -- raised the
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burden of proof so the enforcers would have to get them to plead guilty before they can stop the trucks from moving to the pill mills. There is no one in my view that knows more about this issue than John Cole who happens to be here. Sorry John, to pick you up, but just stand up. This guy got tobacco in a room years ago -
Greta: Handsome, too, I might add. He is my husband.
He can put them in a room and say, do not come out of the room until you settle this. It is time for taxpayers to stop paying for treatment, you guys got to pay. You are not coming out of the room until you do. [Applause]
Greta: I have a two-part question for you, one is, the great thing about this is we can talk and discuss the what extent do you agree or disagree with governor as we are trying to come up with solutions?
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Before we get to that, I get so many tweets saying people are in real pain, do not take away my pain pills and we do the key people awa -- we do need to keep people out of pain.
I will start with there is a conservative solution to this end I believe that the government has a role to play but the government is not the solution. We do need, rants of care and we to make it available to citizens living in addiction. It is a long road as you said to health and recovery. There is a role for government to play. It is to incentivize the private sector to build out the type of care that is necessary to restore lives. But we also have to foster and encourage looking for alternative ways to treat pain. As patients, we should not accept that these addictive pain pills is the best we can do.
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And living in pain today, I would recommend that open up the opportunity for these alternative ways to treat pain and not just accept this is the best I can do is a pain pill. Greta: Before these opioids came on the scene in the mid to late 1990's, people have pain. Was there inadequate pain management or do we have something that helped them that was not quite as addictive?
My understanding based on what I have read -- and you probably know as much about this as anybody, Andrew, but when they started treating pain as a vital sign, it also to our medical community now being judged and rated based on how well they were treating pain yet pain is subjective. If I came in and said, Greta, how is your pain -- Greta: 10.
Right?
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I have to treat you and you are going to evaluate me. It all started when I look back at history -- it started to shift at that point. Government had a role to play there. They said we are going to treat pain like a vital sign. It is not measurable. We created this crisis. Greta: Let me give you another statistic which I find quite stunning. Between 2006, and 2016, out-of-state drug companies shipped almost 21 million opioid pills to to pharmacies and Wilmington, West Virginia that had a population of 2900. Andrew, that does not seem right to me.
Thats right. I want to follow up on a point the governor made about law enforcement. We saw a president and then
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attorney general -- [applause]
Who are vigorously enforcing the law and that starts with enforcing the law against companies who are broken the law, criminal investigations, it'll investigations as well, but also going after people on the streets were pushing drugs and are in our communities are it the last administration -- pushing drugs and are in our communities. The last administration said it is ok to do drugs. We need to encourage our people not to go down the road of addiction. Myself and most of the people in this room had family members who have struggled with addiction and needed treatment. A man spoke passionately last year when I his own family, he saw his older brother dealing with out the holism -- with a lcoholism, that people do not start down the road of drugs
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that is so hard to come back from. The best thing we can do is a prevention action that prevents people from starting to use drugs. Greta: That is of course one of the biggest problems. If you are at the point where you need treatment and some people need treatment, you're already lost your job, your family, you have been terrible pain to your friends -- every body. How do we start at the beginning realizing with a deal with those? When he got pain pills -- how do we start at the beginning so we do not have this whole universe of people?
Let's back up a second because everything being said here is true except that we are hesitant to point out that in most issues that I face of the governor, and I'm sure all governors face this, when asked to get the details of policy, gets a little more gray.
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This one is black and white. America did not have someone dying every 15 minutes before we approved oxycontin. These are the facts. We passed it out like candy, these are the facts. We now have thousands of thousands good people dying every year from this disease. Why would we not -- if the fda admitted, had the folks who live and said, sorry, we do not tell you the truth, why would we not simply say, we got that information. -- Bad information. We reconfigured our health care system, let's undo that. Let's have the folks who lied and created this disease pay for the treatment and the prevention should be, stop passing it out
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like candy. Let's start where we began. [Applause]
I always think the power of the government or the white house -- it is so incredibly potent in terms of helping solve things but it is often times depended on the political parties working together because there are so many political interests involved. Could you two work together? Do you have new ideas that you could ask him for help on.
Absolutely.
Killing our kids is a bipartisan problem. Nobody says, this is a good idea. Let's get as many folks as we can addicted to the stuff for it
The problem is, the lieutenant governor goes to the white house and asks for the white house to help.
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You both come from states where this is been a scourge -- you seem like you want to work together.
I would say, I'm a Republican and a conservative and one of the challenges we face in this country as we know where it is coming from for it is coming from X -- where it is coming from. I would say, build the law. I'm a conservative -- build the wall. I'm a conservative Republican. You may not agree with that, but I bet we could get on the same page.
To that point, we have seen the skyrocketing of overdose deaths just the last few years. Our country has been suffering from the scourge of drug use for the last several decades but the reason is because over death death -- overdose death in the last few years has gone up dramatically due to fentanyl.
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They are bringing fentanyl in from China or Mexico. The trump administration is working day and night to keep these drugs out and that is why we have to build the wall, increase our border security, provide only security the technical resources they need -- it has got to stop.
Can I make a quick point?
My point is this. We have always had drug problems in America. We all have different views on how to solve it. But here's winds change on this one. -- But we have to change this one. They are getting those from the corner drugstore.
Can wade do both -- can we do both?
I think a president trump has
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a unique ability and you had your job at the white house to be the president who solves this problem because a bipartisan consensus -- we want to stop the dying in tragedy. The biggest victims of this disease are the kids of the addicts. Governor, that is the most heart ripping thing you can experience. Greta: What do you see as the biggest impediment?
A supply and demand issue so we have got to get off of our streets. Greta: As the white house help you are not?
It is both. It is a federal and state problem. We need to keep the drugs off of our streets. When you to hold drug dealers accountable. These guys that are killing our kids and throw them in jail.
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Greta: What about the pharmaceutical industry and on both sides of the aisle, how do you fight that issue?
What we have done in Ohio is we have issued -- I am not all for regulations, not a government regulation person, but this is a public safety issue -- we have issued regulations where you can only prescribe a pain pill for acute pain for seven days if you are an adult, five days if you are a child. Greta: Best not federal --
Know that his state. --No, that is state.
We recognize that state government -- every problem is not a federal problem. Every problem, the federal government needs to have a response to.
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States right now are being smart and innovative and passing legislation that bans prescriptions in certain amounts, and that is great. The worst thing we could have is the federal government to pass laws that are uniform across the country -- we have seen this happen in health care, time and time again, with good intentions the federal government passes a law, and congress can never go back and fix those. As limited government conservatives, we should encourage our state leaders to pass these laws. Greta: It brings us back to the power of the white house, the power of the oval office is to get everyone in one room. Every state -- governor? I'll let you have the last word.
Let's for a minute put our
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hearts aside and use our math. It cost me $25,000 to treat someone after they have become addicted. It cost you $25,000 as a taxpayer every time someone gets addicted to these substances. It is a huge cost to taxpayers. If we have gotten industry, with -- if we have got an industry, which we do -- and we have got the making billions of dollars off of this disease that is killing people, I think the white house has the unique opportunity to replay the tobacco tape, get the folks in a room, close the door, because this lawyers will run this thing like asbestos forever. This is about taxpayers getting paid for the building are paying now for a disease that was created by lies O the fda.
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Let's make that happen and I think president trump would be a hero if he facilitated that process. Greta: Panel, thank you very much. This is a problem that affects all of us. You do a huge service to the country.
Thank you, Greta. [Applause] ??
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Now ladies and gentlemen, it is time for a conversation with senator Ted Cruz, interviewed by the federalist, been dominance -- Ben domaninch. [Applause]
A CONVERSATION WITH SENATOR TED CRUZ INTERVIEWED BY BEN DOMENECH
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All right. Hello, CPAC.
And I love feedback. -- CPAC. [Applause]
I want to thank you for taking the opportunity to talk to us. I know you are a big fan of the Simpsons.
We are immediately starting with the policy.
I believe you can learn about the policy by using the Simpson's. For instance, when Homer and Lisa were having a conversation about the gun violence. Homer points out that guns are used for protecting your family
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and making sure that king of England does not push you around. Lisa's responses, it is actually a relic of the revolutionary war area, does not mean anything anymore. What do you think?
I think the Democrats of a party of Lisa Simpson and the Republicans are happily the party of Homer, Bart, Maggie, Marge. [Laughter]
The left today says the kingdom of England does not going to come around and push us for there is no threats from tyranny. We do not have the kind of threats whether in the old west or something like that that we experience anymore. Why cannot somebody do something for the children? That is essentially what we saw last night on CNN and what we have seen in the conversation about the guns.
You mean last night's CNN
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infomercial?
It was quite an effective one.
It is an amazing thing and it is tiresome. Every time you see a horrific crime, people in the media and democratic politicians try to leap on it till -- to advance their agenda. Their agenda is to strip second amendment rights. Diane Feinstein was very candid saying, "If I can say Mr. America give me your guns, I will. " that is where they want to end up. It is profoundly unconstitutional but it also does not work. Every person who saw the shooting in parkland, it is horrifying.
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If you are a parent, it is nothing more horrific than imagining some madman hurting K ids. What can we do to stop this sort of mass crime? That is a good conversation to have. The left's answer is always, always strip the second amendment rights for law-abiding citizens. If you look where cities have the highest gun control laws, they also have the highest murder and crime rates. You want to see crime take off? This arm law-abiding --disarm law-abiding citizens. On the flipside, if you want to stop crimes, target violent criminals. Going after them like a town of bricks and putting them in jail -- that is what we need to be doing. [Applause]
I am not on Twitter right now but I do wonder if the five
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minutes we have started, Chris, has tweeted whether you are afraid to come on his talk show.
I'm quite certain in the history of the universe, nobody has ever been afraid of Chris,. [Laughter]
I do want to ask you. The president has proposed a ban or re-categorization of bump S tocks and also those teachers who choose to carrier have a military background, etc., there are more than 60 million Americans with a concealed carry permit, they are to -- they ought to be about to carry in the classroom. What do you think?
I think it makes perfect sense that if teachers want to exercise their right to keep arms, it will only make schools
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safer. I do not think you should make teachers do that, but if a teacher is comfortable, that is a good thing. [Applause]
There is a lot we can be doing. This pattern plays out. We are in Washington, law politicians want to do something. Whenever something bad happens, there is an urge to do something but there's very little focus on what the something is. When I was elected in 2012, I saw the horrific shooting in Newtown, Connecticut. It was horrifying. Republicans were falling all over themselves scared and you had chuck Schumer and Democrats saying, now we are going to pass massive gun control legislation. I was a brand-new senator and happily led the fight against that but we did not beat it with
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nothing, I offered legislation that was known as the grassly-cruz legislation. It targeted bad guys. On school funding, grassly-cruz at $300 million for school safety funding. The Obama administration of cut millions of dollars from school safety. We won 9 Democrats but Harry Reid and the Democrats filibustered grassly-cruz so I did not pass. If that had been there, that might have resulted in an armed police officer at the parkland high school and intercepting that madman and stopping before he murdered those teens. [Applause]
This is a question not so much about guns as government
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competence. One of the lines we use a lot in the federalists is considered the possibility that we are led by idiots.
More than a possibility. [Laughter]
Talk to me for a moment about our nation's law enforcement particularly the FBI. We had multiple reports, clear, convincing things that should have been looked at my local law enforcement and by the FBI that should have triggered a response before this happened. Did we have a basic competence problem with anything agencies and how can we solve it?
There were a lot of red flags in the row a lot of warning signs. There were calls after calls and reports after reports in both local law enforcement and the FBI failed to act on the information. Law enforcement has a hard job. We have seen in terrorist attacks in the past when there's a lot of information on the front end. I will give you an example. A few month ago, Texas suffered
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our own mass murder in Sutherland springs. It is the worst church shooting in the history of the country. I was down the day after the shooting. I stood in the sanctuary. The centuries not much bigger than this stage. That madman fired over 450 rounds, yet shattered glass, shattered wood, your church pews overturned, the most horrific thing I've ever seen. If you look at Sutherland springs, say how can that stop from happening. It was illegal for him to buy a gun -- he was convicted felon and the end domestic violence conviction, both of those make it illegal. Why's that he had those weapons? Because the air force under president Obama did not report his conviction to the database. You cannot run a background
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check. The grassley-cruz legislation I introduced would have directed the attorney general to make sure they report criminal convictions, get them in the database, and only that, when the shooter and Sutherland springs went to buy his gun, he lied on it twice. Both of those lies were crimes. Those are separate felonies. The department of justice did not prosecute felons and fugitives who lied on their forms and try to illegally by guns. In 2010, 48,000 felons and fugitives try to illegally by guns. The Obama administration prosecuted 44 of them. What did grassley-cruz do? It created a gun crime task force in the doj, it said that
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you are prosecute or put him in jail. That laud been on the books, the conviction would have been in the database and the women prosecuted and in federal prison -- he would have been in the database and prosecuted in federal prison. We can stop this by going after criminals. [Applause]
The New York Times this past week had a piece about people who were squeezed by all gone again -- by Obamacare. One of the things they were talking about were, on the one hand, we have these people who cannot afford the premiums because they are making too much money to be on medicaid and then we have these people on medicaid who are forced to go to the equivalent of Nick Riviera. [Laughter]
What can be done in the circumstance to actually provide some relief to the families given be done to provide relief for these families given that apparently the Republican promise about repealing and
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replacing Obamacare is not something they are interested in living up to. Few things have been more maddening than seeing Republicans come up short on Obamacare. Looking back at 2017, as conservatives, we have a lot to be gratified for. When we started the year with Republican president and Republican majorities in both houses, I think the four big priorities were tax reform, regulatory reform, Obamacare, and judges. Tax reform was phenomenal, we have seen over 4 million people getting pay raises, the economy is moving forward in an unambiguous way. Regulatory reform has been of one of the greatest successes of the trump administration. Job killing legislation in Texas, I hear every day from small business owners who are hiring, that is another tremendous success. Obamacare remains the biggest
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unfinished commitment. But it is worth noting two things. Number one, we were appealed the Obamacare individual mandate as a part of tax reform. [Applause] That is a big deal. Back in October of last year, I and a handful of conservatives began urging the senate as part of tax reform, let's take out the Obamacare individual mandate. When we started we had maybe a half-dozen senators are agreed with us, most of the Republicans, their response was we tried with Obamacare, let's not muck up tax reform vibrating Obamacare into it. But we made the case, both publicly and privately, the individual mandate, every year the irs fines about 6.5 million people because they cannot afford health insurance.
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Roughly one million of those in Texas, roughly 80% or and $80,000 -- earn $50,000 year over last. You are a single mom working two jobs, you're N even making $25,000r.you cannot afford health insurance because premiums have skyrocketed and to add insult injury the irs finds you. It is what led Bill Clinton to call Obamacare one of the craziest things in the world. It is about the only time I ever agreed with Bill Clinton, other than about Hillary. [Applause] I am going to get in trouble for that one. Repealing the individual mandate provides real tax relief to the 6.5 million people getting fined by the irs but we need to go back at it and I'm committed to continuing to roll up my sleeves
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and working to get 50 Republicans together on the same page and honor our promise and repeal the disaster that is Obamacare. [Applause] Ben: Bill Clinton did want to go to Wisconsin and she did not listen to them then. Most talented politician in a generation. When it comes to looking at the state of the conservative movement after the first year of this president, one of the things I'm curious about is how much conservatism is healthy versus sick. The real hit I heard from a lot of people, many of whom might be here today, against president trump before he became president was he was going to reduce conservatism to the smallest portion. He is not going to be governing that way. You might even use sideshow Bob's tagline when he was running for mayor, you long for
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a coldhearted Republican to lower taxes, brutalized criminals, and rule you like a king. Sen. Cruz: Do not blame me, I voted for kodos. Ben: Why do you think it is turned out like that and do you think conservatism is healthier now? Sen. Cruz: I think truth is eternal. I think freedom is always right. What we have seen in 2017 is on substance, the record of delivering has been remarkable. [Applause] Sen. Cruz: There were long periods last year, in the summertime, the spring, where all of us were frustrated -- are the clown suit call themselves Republicans going to manage to get their act together and do anything? It was unclear if the answer was yes or no. If we fail that would've been one of the most heartbreaking missed opportunities of our lifetime.
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By the end of the year, you look at the tax reform bill, you look at the individual mandate, Neil Gorsuch is a home run. [Applause] We confirmed 12 federal court of appeals judges, the most in the first year of a presidency in history. Barack Obama had four, we had 12. For all of us that cherish the constitution and the bill of rights, the fundamental liberties of an American, judges are front and center. One of the great victories as part of the tax reform bill was an amendment I introduced expanding college 500 29 savings plans so you can also save for k-12 education. The most fundamental school choice legislation that has ever passed.
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When you walk down the halls of the capitol, reporters in every inundate you and their questions are never about substance. I will not comment on tweets and I have nothing to say on the comment of the day or the scandal does your -- on the scandal du jour. If you want to talk about judges or the second amendment, I'm happy to talk about any substance, but I'm not going to worry about the political circus that is Washington. I think the American people are happy with the results we are getting and we need to keep producing those results. [Applause] Ben: I think there is an interesting experience that I am sure a lot of people in this audience have had, particularly the younger people, those who are going to college and are surrounded by a lot of people who might not agree with them. It is very difficult in this day and age to live a boldly as
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someone who is a conservative, a libertarian, who believes in liberty and the founding within the public square. If you could, it gives some folks to those folks who were in the audience you have to endure the slings and arrows of all the people around them. I know you had to endure them yourself when you are at princeton, tell us more about what you think helped you in that environment. Sen. Cruz: I love CPAC and what I love the most about it is all of the young people. CPAC is about young people. Why is it that so many young people come to CPAC. CPAC is about liberty. I call young people generation freedom. You know what resonates, to everyone who is it some college was run by a bunch of 60's hippies who are imposing some draconian speech code -- [applause]
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Let me say to all of the young people. Speak the truth, spread the fire of liberty. What young person with any sense once to live with big government, with Washington controlling everything about you? What we are about his liberty, we think you should have the right to decide, you should be able to choose what school you go to, what Dr. You have, what health care you have, the internet should be free. No taxes, no regulation. That is the message that resonates with young people. Freedom works. [Applause] Ben: Thank you, everyone. [Applause]
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Ladies and gentlemen, a conversation with beck -- with Betsy Devos.
A CONVERSATION WITH SECRETARY OF EDUCATION BETSY DEVOS INTERVIEWED BY KAY COLES JAMES, THE HERITAGE FOUNDATION
Ladies and gentlemen, if I could have your attention a moment please before we get started. I would like to ask that we observe a moment of silence in honor of and in memory of the students and the teachers and all of the families impacted in parkland, Florida. If you will please join me.
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Thank you. Thank you, please be seated.
That was a sobering way to start a very important that -- a very important panel and I want to thank you for that. Before we get started, I wanted to let the audience know why I am so extraordinarily honored to be here. If you are not noticed, we already did secretary Acosta. Do remember that? I have known you 25 or 30 years. One of the things I know about our secretary, our secretary of education is that she is an
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incredible woman, one I have admired and loved and it -- and respected for some many years. From the minute I knew her, what is at the heart and soul of this woman is to provide equal educational opportunities for the kids in this country, that is the very essence of who she is. We want to thank you.
Sec. Devos: Thank you. [Applause] Kay: Let me start off with a softball. Knowing who you are, knowing your passion and your commitment and everything about you, there are many things you could be doing with your life right now. Why did you decide to do this?
Sec. Devos: Thank you, Kay. Let me begin by thanking you for your kind words. There are many other things you
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could be doing with your life right now. I think we both are in the places we are for a time like this, we have opportunity to help make change and bring greater opportunity. In my case, I have been an advocate for all kids for over 30 years for the opportunity to have a great future and the great education, but an equal opportunity for all children and that has fueled my passion for many years and is even a greater passion now.
Kay: One of the things I am fond of saying is that some people have school choice, the wealthy, the connected, and the elected. They have it. What are you doing at the department to assure that all should -- that all students have that opportunity?
Sec. Devos: We are carrying out the duties of the department and right now, in the k-12 world,
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that includes the implementation of the every student succeeds act, which if states take the opportunities afforded them through the act, it will bring many more opportunities and much more flexibility for schools to meet students' needs and to address the needs of individual students. In complement to that, I continue to advocate -- most education policy happens at the state level and many states have taken significant steps off her parents and empower parents with more choices for their children's education. I'm encouraging states to double down on that and for those who have not yet taken those steps to do so. We have an opportunity also from the federal level to partner with states in that regard. There is also opportunity at the federal level to look at areas
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where the federal government is directly involved and specifically around military connected families. I know for a fact there are more than one third of military families, active duty military families, that have school aged children. Their decisions about where they go or where they do not go or whether they continue to serve hinge heavily on the opportunities they have for their children's education. I think we have an opportunity in that regard to empower them with more of those choices. Kay: I know educational disparities are something that is very important to you and we see it everywhere from k-12 and college. Could you talk for a little bit about some of the policies of the past that got us to this point. How did we get here?
Sec. Devos: There have been a lot of policies that have by
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load education into specific areas and we have block grant programs that afford low income families the opportunity to choose a preschool for their child, and we have Pell grants and G.I. Bills that afford students to choose places at the higher education level and yet when we get to the k-12 world, those things are not ubiquitous in k-12 education. I believe there is a strong argument to be made that all families should have the same kind of power and the same kind of choices and the same kind of opportunities that I had for my children and that many of us in this room have and have had. We should empower them to make those choices through various mechanisms and means but make sure your child's quality of
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education is not going to be based on where you are living or your family income. Kay: I have heard it said that some of our elected officials are the ones that live in public housing and send their kids to private school. They live in governors mansions and sometimes in the white house and they have school choice. Poor families do not. Very often, we hear, when we talk about vouchers, they talk almost exclusively in terms of sending your kids to private schools. Is that really the definition? What else should we take into consideration?
Sec. Devos: When we talk about school choice, most often people go to a voucher, which is a mechanism, there are many mechanisms to give parents and students opportunity to choose. There are scholarships, educational savings accounts, there are virtual schools, there
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are blended learning schools, there are charter public schools, and there are probably some methodology not even yet discovered. Those are just mechanisms. I think the core issue is that we need to embrace, as a country, education freedom. That allows us to think more broadly about what education should be. The opportunity to learn in different ways, we all know that -- I have four grown children. They're all different individuals and they learn differently. Everyone who has more than one child knows that kids are different. We need to look at a system that for too long has forced kids into a one-size-fits-all approach and create environments where new creative approaches are able to come in and be tried
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and afford families different options and different places for their children to learn as they can best do. Kay: We always want to support our military. This audience H is strong in support of our military. [Applause] One of the things we have been working on at the heritage foundation is education savings account for military dependents. Can you talk about that a little bit and explained to our audience what it is and how it would help?
Sec. Devos: There are so many active duty families today who are making decisions about how they advance within the military or where they are going to live or not live based on opportunities and education opportunities for their children. I think we have an opportunity to change that dynamic for them and allow them the chance to tap
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into education savings accounts, which would allow them to take the funding that would go for their child's education at whatever the assigned school is and use it to customize their kids' education. Maybe they take classes at the local traditional school to which they are assigned, maybe they take a couple of online classes, maybe they take another couple of classes at a charter school or a combination that will work for that child. To afford these families that kind of flexibility to meet their students' needs where they are and where they are moving. We know they are so mobile, generally, that it is difficult for those kids, moving from base to base to base or city to city to city to have continuity in their education. And education savings account would afford them a much different dynamic and approach to enable them to get their
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education in the way that best works for them. If they do not use it all up in one year, in general forward in that savings account to be used for future years. Kay: I think our military families deserve that, what do you think? [Applause]
Sec. Devos: We know it is a popular idea for them at over 70% of them supporting it. Kay: Freedom of choice in education is vital but so is freedom of expression. Some of us are so concerned about what we are seeing in some of our public schools and some of our higher education institution in terms of, particularly conservatives having their freedom of expression curtailed. What is the administration doing about that?
Sec. Devos: This is a timely and serious issue that I think that we have to address from a multitude of angles. I think we have seen more and
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more examples on college campuses in recent years of shutting down free and open expression and debate around ideas. My experience of going to college was it was a place where I could test out some of the things I was taught as I was raised, I could entertain new thoughts and ideas and it is and should be a place where we explore other opinions and ideas. Today, it has become more and more a place for those opinions, or that possibility is more and more controlled. We have to continue to exercise a foundational part of our nation's founding in the first amendment, and this administration is committed to upholding those freedoms of expression and exchange of ideas
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and we will be continuing to advance this notion that the place to have fights is in the battle of ideas and let us talk about them and share our perspective but do so in a way that is open to alternative views and other perspectives without censorship and without fear of not being able to defend them. Good ideas are always going to win. Kay: We know that, don't we? [Applause] Kay: It never ceases to amaze me that the left has a part of their mantra, diverse city, and they want diversity everywhere except in the area of opinions and ideas. [Applause]
Kay: I think they're mostly afraid of the fact that they know our ideas are better. [Applause]
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How many college students to we have out here? A lot. We know you're doing a lot at the department of education. Can you explain to some of our audience out here, what are you focusing on in the department for college students. Sec. Devos: Higher education is an important part of the role of the department of education. I said it often before. For 2 -- for too many decades, we have had a focus on the notion that to be successful, you need to go to a four your college or university. Today we know there are a multitude of pathways that students can take and there are many opportunities beyond high school for further education and a good, meaningful, job with a
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future beyond opportunities to continue education -- with opportunities to continue education. The president has been very eloquent on this multiple times. We have to focus on the fact, and help students understand from a much earlier age, what some of these other pathways and opportunities are. You heard from secretary Acosta earlier, he chaired the task force I am also serving on that is focused on elevating and increasing the opportunities around apprenticeships. I think this is an important avenue and needs to be celebrated and honored, and all those opportunities, all of those opportunities need to be respected and encouraged. Students can pursue a wide range of options beyond a four your college or university -- beyond
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a four year college or university and we will see more as this administration partners with industry and local business to meet the growing needs they have -- 6 million jobs that are going unfilled today that require further education beyond high school, but are going unfilled because there is a mismatch in skills. Kay: Let me tell you something about your secretary of education. One of my favorite descriptions of Maggie thatcher is she was an iron fist in a velvet glove. That is how I see this lady right here. [Applause] We know how difficult it is every day in that job. We are appreciative to the president for picking the best people possible to serve in his
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cabinet, and we know that every day you get up and you come to work and you do a fabulous job for the American people. Are we winning?
Sec. Devos: Absolutely we are winning. Absolutely. [Applause] This notion of education freedom I think is one people, no matter where you come from, can relate to and embrace for 150 years in the k-12 world, we have relied on a system that treated education as a factory or an industrial approach. It is time now to ask the questions we have not been wanting to ask for many years. We have an opportunity to think much more holistic way about
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learning and what the role of education is. Starting from the youngest of ages, where we know that young children absorb the world around them at such a tremendous rate. Launching them into their formative years in the k-12 world, where if every parent and every child had the opportunity to choose a school or a learning environment that worked for that child, if finding after a year that that particular school was not the right fit, to be able to make another choice. We would see a dynamism in education that we have not seen in over 100 years. The demand for this continues to grow, no matter what party or demographic group, you look at this from, the support for
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education freedom and choice in education is broad and wide. I encourage everyone in this room to raise your voices around this very important subject. Education and the children and the students that are served through education represent 100% of our future. We have to invest in our future and do so in a way that is going to encourage the creativity and the entrepreneurial activity and the thinking that is going to move our country forward, the likes of which we have not seen before. Everyone here who is, who has an interest in our nation's future, I think it is important you raise your voices in support of
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empowering students and empowering parents with a multitude of choices and pathways to a future that is right for him or her. I am so thankful for the opportunity to be here with you all and to serve you in this capacity. I look forward to working together shoulder to shoulder with you to advance our nation's future through the education of today's young people. [Applause]
Kay: Secretary Devos, thank you for your love of and commitment to this country. Thank you for taking on the failure factories that exist in our cities around the country, thank you for your love of children and your desire to make sure they have the best education possible, and thank you president trump for bringing us someone as wonderful as secretary Devos for such an important job. Thank you.
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Sec. Devos: Thank you all. [Applause]
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In his address to CPAC this morning, Vice President Pence made the case that President Trump's first year in office has been a year of "promises made and promises kept" and said "we've got a lot more to do."
Hitting what are becoming his standard 2018 campaign stump lines, Pence touted the GOP's tax cuts and attacked Nancy Pelosi for previously calling the GOP bill "Armageddon" and for her "crumbs."
"It will be a disaster for our cause if Nancy Pelosi became Speaker of the House again but we aren't going to let it happen," Pence said.
The Vice President began his speech by remarking on yesterday's listening session and reinforcing the administration's pledge to take action in the wake of Parkland.
"Earlier this week president trump called on Congress to strengthen background checks and to days ago he directed the Department of Justice to expedite the regulation of bump stocks. Later this week when the president meets with the nation's governors in our nation's capital we'll make the safety of our nation's schools and our students our top national priority." (10:57:55 AM)
He also reflected on the passing of evangelist Billy Graham, calling him "one of the greatest Americans of the past century" and said his message should be remembered as the nation moves forward in the wake of the most recent mass shooting.
The vice president also suggested that the mainstream media was "taken with" Kim Jong Un's sister and responded to criticism he received - which he pinned on the mainstream media - for not standing for the joint North and South Korea team at the Olympics opening ceremonies.
"So for all those in the media who think I should have stood and cheered with the north Koreans, I say the united States of America doesn't stand with murderous dictatorships, we stand up to murderous dictatorships," he said. (11:09:35 AM)
SNAPSTREAMS BELOW --
PELOSI
11:12:39 AM That's great news. But not everybody thinks it's that big of a deal. [Laughter] I don't know if you heard. But the woman that wants to be speaker of the house again, Nancy Pelosi, said -- [crowd booing] She said the tax cuts would be Armageddon and a few days ago she said it was unpatriotic to let the American people keep more of what they earn. Most amazingly of all she keeps saying that a $1,000 bonus for working Americans is nothing more than crumbs. Well, let me remind all of you, I come from the Joseph a. Bank win of the west wing of the white house. // You know, it will be a disaster for our cause if Nancy Pelosi became speaker of the house again but we aren't going to let it happen.
BILLY GRAHAM
11:19:52 AM So let's try to reconnect in the days and debates that come ahead. Reconnect with one another, reconnect with our communities and lastly I also believe that we should also seek in these challenging times to reconnect to something deeper, something that speaks to the very heart of who we are, someone who I believe has always been the source of our strength and more than that, our hope. You know, yesterday we mourned the passing of one of the greatest Americans of the past century, the reverend Billy graham. [Applause] We remembered his ministry, a ministry for the gospel that changed the lives of millions and we remember his matchless voice that inspired our nation during some of our darkest times. I remembered one such time just yesterday.
PARKLAND
10:56:53 AM Before I begin to talk about the progress we've made, allow me to take a moment to address what I know is on all of our hearts this morning. The terrible attack that
claimed the lives of 17 Americans and injured more last week in parkland, Florida. In America, we mourn with those who mourn and grieve with those who grieve. Yesterday president trump and I met with the family of meadow Pollack and other students and families reeling from the attack in parkland. We also met in the white house with families from other communities who have experienced the same violence firsthand. As the president said, we'll never forget them. We prayed with them, we listened to them as they poured out their hearts. As the president has said, no child, no teacher should ever be in danger in an American school. [Applause] Earlier this week president trump called on congress to
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strengthen background checks and to days ago he directed the department of justice to expedite the regulation of bump stocks. Later this week when the president meets with the nation's governors in our nation's capitol we'll make the safety of our nation's schools and our students our top national priority. [Cheering and applause] I can assure you all of this, president trump and our entire administration will continue to take strong action to make our schools safe and give law enforcement and our families the tools they need to deal with those struggling with dangerous mental illness.
NORTH KOREA/KIM JONG UN'S SISTER
11:07:34 AM the region and this country will no longer certify the disastrous Iran nuclear deal. [Cheering and applause] In the wake of provocations and threats against the united States and our allies, we've made it clear to North Korea that the era of strategic patience is over. [Applause] Two weeks ago I was honored to lead the official delegation to the opening ceremonies of the winter olympics in pyeongchang where we cheered on team usa. But as you all know, many in the mainstream media seemed quite taken with another dignitary. [Booing] For all the media fawning for the sister of the north Korean dictator I think it's important that every American knows who this person is and what she has done. The sister of Kim Jong-un is the central pillar of the most tyrannical and oppressive regime on the planet. An evil family click that braut Liess, staf, and imprisons its people. The united nations reported the gravity, scale and nature of these violations reveal a state that does not have a parallel in the contemporary world.
11:09:35 AM So for all those in the media who think I should have stood and cheered with the north Koreans, I say the united States of America doesn't stand with murderous dictatorships, we stand up to murderous dictatorships.
BIG APPLAUSE FOR BUILD THE WALL LINE
1:02:20 AM trump promised to enforce our laws, secure our borders, and today illegal crossings at our southern border have been cut nearly in half and make no mistake about it, we're going to build that wall. [Cheering and applause] [Crowd chanting build that wall, build that wall] He promised to appoint strong conservatives to the federal courts at every level and president trump came through.
ANOTHER BIG APPLAUSE ON CALL TO DEFUND PLANNED PARENTHOOD
11:03:21 AM And president Donald Trump promised to stand for the unalienable right to life. [Cheering and applause] And from the first day of this administration, he reinstated the Mexico City policy and I was honored to cast the tie-breaking vote in the senate to send a bill to the president's desk to allow states to defund planned parenthood.