On AIDS & HIV (before it was known as such) in gay community in San Francisco. Footage of people in the Castro District. A man discusses how the disease is limited almost only to gay people. Doctors and officials discuss how a certain type of cancer is prevalent in the gay community and they discuss whether or not it is contagious. Gay issues, Queer, LGBTQ

/n00:00:00:00 TOPICS: Rudolph Giuliani talks about battling cancer; Oliver North and Steve May debate Gays in the military; Charles Spencer shares his family history.. (:00)/n

NUCLEAR SITE BY RESIDENTIAL HOMES, ENVIROMENTAL DISASTERS, GREENPEACE, OIL SPILL, EXXON VALDEZ, LOVE CANAL DISASTER, NUCLEAR PROTESTS, NUCLEAR POWER PLANTS, VALDEZ OIL SPILL CLEAN UP, RAINBOW WARRIOR, BREAST CANCER, MAMMOGRAMS, AIDS QUILT, AIDS MARCH, GAY PRIDE PARADE

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A California husband and wife are both dying of cancer, and also trying to cope with the future for their children.

DR LAUBENSTEIN INTERVIEW. COVER FOOTAGE Interview Hospital Exterior Washington Square Park. People walking. Gay couples walking. Do not use faces. Brochures: AIDS

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INTERVIEW CONTINUES: Robert Lipsyte 12:20 rosemary, do you want to talk about that, among other things? Rosemary Kuropat 12:23 Well, I think that what the focus of their gay movement on AIDS does is actually allow our opposition to, to equate aids with with the gay community and therefore isolate our community. For me, it's much more a larger issue of a national crisis in health care. AIDS is a part of that national crisis. But in fact, we don't provide as a nation for the health care of, of poor people or the most infirmed. So that it's not that I don't, I did not interpret Darrell's thesis as one of age is not important. But rather, there are so many concerns that that ought to be brought to bear on this issue, that we can't alone isolate aids as a as a crisis in and of itself, because it's one crisis of gay hatred, because originally the community was marginalized and deaths in the community were therefore See, interpreted as unimportant, it was easy then to disregard us. So they, the the crisis was allowed to escalate before it was really focused on and a national healthcare crisis that that just doesn't we as a nation don't provide for people, for people who are not well, and we're one of only two nations in the world that don't guarantee some form of health care. Richard Goldstein 13:36 But AIDS is an acute situation. AIDS is not a chronic health problem. AIDS is an epidemic, you're not keeping your eye on reality here, you have to wake up and be real. This is this is a disease that potentially can affect virtually everyone who's sexually active. This is this is and this is something that that has no no end in sight unless we respond through changes in behavior. And, and can regulate a natural phenomenon through our own adaptation to it. And that's where it's different from breast cancer. Let's say there isn't a simple thing you can do that will wipe out breast cancer, there is thing there are things people can do that can wipe out AIDS that can keep it at bay. And that's why the vigilance that's why it takes center stage. It's a life saving measure. Rosemary Kuropat 14:18 There's a difference between education and agitation. Education is terribly important. We cannot agitate for a cure, we can agitate for humane response on the part of our government to all people in need of adequate health care to poor people to the homeless, homeless people with AIDS are part of a larger crisis of homelessness in this nation. Richard Goldstein 14:36 You must advocate for a cure, we won't get it otherwise, Darrell Yates Rist 14:38 I would like to come back to some of the characterizations of the article because what I find very encouraging Richard is that you and I are so much of a mind on gay activism and AIDS. Well, I know it is because because you read the article with a profound inability to understand it. And you know, this is what I'm calling some of the the hatefulness In spite Richards responses, a very hysterical one to the peace. And yet we find that we agree, we agree that aids must not ever be abandoned, we cannot ever abandon the fight against AIDS. And of course, my in the conclusion to the article I spoke of our need to fight AIDS as more than we ever have. My my whole thesis is that while we're fighting aids while we're on the front fighting age, as vigorously as ever, in fact, more so that we should also not forget that people are dying and have always died or have had their lives destroyed by by innumerable other issues that are adversarial to gay men and lesbians. And so you know, Mark and I also ended up agreeing on this and and I'm glad to know that act up and I are, you know, maybe I could become one of the propagandists for act up after this. Because what I find is, he's saying that act up is not actually a gay movement. It's an AIDS movement. And I would encourage the society to continue to keep its eye on AIDS. It's a very dangerous disease, obviously, who's going to deny that Robert Lipsyte 16:10 I don't want to rupture any mood of detente, but I do think that you're moving a little bit backwards from the original article itself, which really seemed more powerfully directed towards aids as a kind of false Cold War. That obscured other issues Richard Goldstein 16:29 but a morbid lack of self respect. What about the majority of gay men will never be affected by I think that's true. I think that they listened to you they might well, you see, Darrell, let me make a point. Two thirds of the nurses have AIDS in this country, are occurring outside the big cities. That's the way sexually transmitted diseases always act in this country. Why is it that on your 60,000 mile jaunt, you didn't notice this? Why don't you wake up and smell the corpse?

INTERVIEW RETURNS: David Susskind Amy, you and Bob have something in common to some gay, two sons gay. Now, why did the third one skip the problem? it's not a problem. Bob Benov No, I'm not kidding. It is not a problem. The problem is that people have to recognize and learn what homosexuality is and then No, no, it's not a problem. That's what the problem is, is people don't know what homosexuality is. They think it's something not normal, as somebody said before it is normal. It's just another orientation, it's a different orientation. The affectional object of your of your affection is is of the same sex and really doesn't have that much to do with sex. You don't ever have to take part in a sexual act to be homosexual, just as you don't have to be take part in a sexual act, to be heterosexual, a Catholic priest does not take part in the sexual act. That doesn't mean he's not heterosexual. And it doesn't mean he's not homosexual. The the act of sex has nothing to do with your sexual orientation. who you're attracted to, is what affects your sexual sexual orientation. And the fact that it's not a problem is the fact that I know what homosexuality is, it was a problem for me before. When I first found out as you David Susskind Joe said, he preferred cancer for his child. Bob Benov No, I have to tell you, I know, I've said Joe this before he told me, this was the day before he told me, he said, What would be worse than than being gay? And I said, I rather see I've cancer than be gay. I mean, that's the way I felt. Now you say, I said, myself, I'm trying to be loving, trying to be a Christian father, I was very active in the church. I just blew my mind. I couldn't believe that this thing could be happening to me, or to my son. And when I went to see my parish priest, he said to me, you know, I don't think anybody knows what it is where it comes from. I think it's a great mystery. And, and, but he said he has to go, that he has to get out of the house because he's going to influence my other two boys. Amy Ashworth This is what is so sad, right? That's the misconception. People think it's like, you catch it like measles. And this isn't so people have in a parent's group in Westchester, I have a mother who comes she has identical twins. One is a lesbian, the other isn't. And we simply don't ask anymore, or how come it's one of the mysteries. We do know that 10% of the population was is and will be gay. And gay people don't have to recruit because they have heterosexual parent David Susskind Well if our population is roughly 2 million 240 million people. You're saying the 24 million? That's right. Amy Ashworth Yes, they are. Then imagine their parents, you know, who are connected aunts, uncles, if I was often thinking if all gay and gay related and lesbian related people would wear green vote for one day, you would be amazed. David Susskind My wife once commented that if the homosexuals and lesbians went on strike, yeah, that will bring the beauty business to a halt. Interior Decorating you couldn't get? That's that's a myth. Joe We've met policeman, priests David Susskind Homosexual priests? Joe Yes, Doctors, accountants. Bob Benov there is an organization, City Police Department have recognized organization by the New York City Police Department of homosexual policeman. Amy Ashworth It's 10% across the board David Susskind Amy, you'reboasting. You think it's abnormal? Amy Ashworth I don't think it's abnormal. David Susskind Would you like For more of the population to be homosexual. Amy Ashworth No, all I want is for people to understand our children. And I'm not talking and doing this for our children. I do it for all lesbians and gay people. Because I think it's interesting. You are a lesbian, or you are gay, and you can be fine. You have no job, the loneliness of a gay teenager who doesn't have a home, it's the only minority that doesn't have their parents behind them. Everybody has their parents, but if you're gay or lesbian, you can't count on your family. And then he Bob Benov Amy said something that I think it's very important. I think that almost all gay people when they're struggling with their homosexuality and acknowledging it, feel the loneliness feel like they are alone completely, that there isn't a weather like them. And I know that I as a parent of a homosexual when I first found out my wife and I thought we were the only couple on Long Island who had a homosexual child Gloria when my daughter I was just talking to her before I came on the show and She, she does quite a bit of talking to different groups, gay groups, and she says, The loneliest thing in the world is the children or the women that do not have their families backing them. And she said the fact that she has her family behind her makes the world of difference in how she feels about herself, and how she could, you know, present herself to other people and help other people in, in the struggle of homosexuality. David Susskind What do you think homosexuality is? How it happens? Why it happens? Do you have any idea? Arthur If anybody would know that, it would be a very simple thing? Also, you ask both Amy and Bob, how come? How do they explain the fact that two children are and one isn't, and so on? That question is usually asked by homophobic people because they feel it's catching. And it's either catching like a disease or the fact that you're surrounded, or you're in association with a gay person, therefore, they are going to convince you or sell you, homosexuality. And in their cases, it proves it very conclusively brought up by the same parents living in the same home. In Amy's case, they sandwich one in between the royal males, he escaped, and the other two are. And the strangest thing, which he didn't tell you was is that the one son, even though already, the first one had already come out, he was afraid to come out after he had been the first one had been accepted, because he felt it would be too much of a blow now. Amy Ashworth A younger son knew he was gay, when the oldest he was 40. And that he couldn't accept himself, he found it very hard. David Susskind And he knew his older brother was homosexual as old. well why couldn't he accept it because you accepted the older brother Amy Ashworth Well because everybody has their own dream in life. And maybe that wasn't his dream. And four years later, he wrote us a letter and said, I refuse to be labeled as by society. But this is what I am. And it took me a while. And then I wrote him back. And I said, what hurts me the most is that we weren't there to help you, your loneliness. And he knew we were working for parents of gays Bob Benov I'll give you a better example of that. I have spoken openly and often about my son Jonathan being gay, and never spoke about my other son. And as a matter of fact, before I came on this program, when we were talking about it, that I finally spoke to my second son, because he was not out to his grandparents. He was out to everybody else David Susskind He declaired to come to come out Bob Benov To come out is to come out of the closet David Susskind come out of the grandparents didn't know he was homosexual Bob Benov still do not know still go. And I spoke to him. And I said, you know, I'm going to be on this program. And I really would like to talk about both of my sons, not just one. I said, you know, you're homosexual. I know you're homosexual. And you declare it, I said, why shouldn't you be out to your grandparents? Why shouldn't you? I think your brother is there. It can only make them think that you feel something is wrong about being homosexual. I said, Do you have a problem with your homosexuality? And he said, No, not at all? You know, I don't? I said, Well, then why not? declare to them? Let them know, honestly, all of you, and David Susskind why are you so proud of it? I mean, Bob Benov I'm not proud of the fact that they are homosexual David Susskind you want to educate, Bob Benov I'm proud that they are homosexual, acknowledge it, know what they are, and acknowledge it and are free about it. And I want the world to know what homosexuality is so that they won't be prejudiced against my children and others. Amy Ashworth They congtribute to society and we just want them to be looked upon as contributing people to society Bob Benov I want my son to be able to walk down the street with their mate holding hands as I walk on my wife. You know what I want? My son's to be able to have an apartment where they like, no matter who their maid is, just as I can have an apartment where I like, as long as I can pay the rent. And I want my children to be able to have any job that they're qualified for, no matter what their orientation is, just as I can get any job that I'm qualified for it. David Susskind I'm with you all the way except walking down the street. No, I don't walk hand in hand with that. I save that for private time. walking Bob Benov hand in hand holding hands only. Rarely, David Susskind risk is not the issue. Gloria The issue is your perception Bob Benov your perception, your perception of the people holding the David Susskind physical manifestations of a homosexual love affair. Bob Benov This has nothing to do with a love affair. And I walk down the street sometimes I hold Amy's hand if I'm working with friends is that a love affair? We have never had a love affair, I must declare that to everyone David Susskind Alright I withdraw, Amy Ashworth I want to to tell you something that our oldest son has been together with somebody for 13 years. And the beginning, he stayed with us for six months, that were the most wonderful months in our life, why he and Dick and I have respect for each other. We learn from each other. And if I family stays with me longer than a week, I go a little insanity, David Susskind Did you see any physical aspects of their love. Did they kiss? Did that bother you? Amy Ashworth No, that doesn't bother me. And they are like, you know, you don't feel like hand in hand, walking on the street. In the beginning, they weren't very overly affectionate. You know, and now it doesn't bother me if they are because what is wrong? When there was wealth, we seem to give medals to people because they kill so well. David Susskind You want to give a medals to two men walking down the street? I just think it's offensive to its general norm of behavior but Amy Ashworth Is it acceptable to be left handed, you know, red hair. I agree with you, I agree with you. I don't like people David Susskind You have your own standards of behavior. Bob Benov now what's, what's an issue is what you're considering a normal standard, you're having a double standard, you think it's perfectly normal for a man or woman to walk down the street and hold hands, but not normal for two men or two women. And that's really what's wrong. There's nothing offensive with holding hands. If you're talking about sexual activity. I think that's offensive, in public in any case, or excess of display of emotion, I think is offensive, no matter what the sex is of the people involved. That's something that belongs in private what people's sex is for people in private, not in public. But to display affection by holding hands, I think is ridiculous to say it's offensive, that what's offensive is to think that that's offensive. Arthur Just just thrown a little humorous note, I live in the village. And so gay people are bound down there. We have quite a few. And they tell a little story of this. Gay a man and his lover. We're walking down the street and in front of them. There was a heterosexual couple and they were arguing something fierce. So Joe talk turned to Bob. And he said, Bob, See, I told you those mixed marriages, they never work. David Susskind We'll be right back after a pause.

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Cancer survivor runs marathon.

LOCATION/STORY: Chapel Hill, NC: Update on funeral plans for Elizabeth Edwards. (WTVD) ADVISORIES/RESTRICTIONS/EMBARGOES: None FORMAT: Package SUPERS: Chapel Hill, NC WPTF Radio Host/Donna Martinez Donna Martinez/WPTF Radio Host Sarah of Raleigh/WPTF Radio Listener Ed Crump, Reporter VIDEO PROVIDED BY: WTVD LENGTH: SUGGESTED INTRO: A KANSAS CHURCH KNOWN FOR PROTESTING AT FUNERALS SAYS IT WILL BRING ITS SHOW TO RALEIGH ON SATURDAY FOR ELIZABETH EDWARDS' SERVICES. THAT ANNOUNCEMENT CAME THIS MORNING. ED CRUMP IS AT THE EDENTON STREET UNITED METHODIST CHURCH WITH DETAILS. Ed Crump,Raleigh STEVE/TISHA, THE WESTBORO BAPTIST CHURCH HAS BECOME INFAMOUS FOR ITS PROTESTS AT THE FUNERALS OF SOLDIERS AND PROMINENT PEOPLE WHO CHURCH MEMBER BELIEVE WERE GAY OR SUPPORTED GAY RIGHTS. SCRIPT: ELIZABETH EDWARDS WAS ADMIRED BY MANY FOR HER PULBIC BATTLE AGAINST BREAST CANCER WHILE ALSO DEALING WITH HER HUSBAND'S PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN AND THEN HIS INFIDELITY AND THE CHILD THAT CAME FROM IT. BUT THERE WERE SOME WHO WERE CRITICAL OF HER SUPPORT FOR GAY MARRIAGE. WPTF Radio Host/Donna Martinez: "We are talking with Shirley Phelps Roper with the Westboro Baptist Church. They have announced that they will picket and protest the Saturday funeral of Elizabeth Edwards." PROTESTERS FROM WESTBORO IN TOPEKA, KANSAS FIRST MADE THEIR MARK BY PROTESTING AT THE FUNERALS OF SOLDIERS. BUT ONE OF THEIR MAIN ISSUES IS OPPOSING HOMOSEXUALITY. THAT MAY BE THEIR PRIMARY REASON FOR SAYING THEY WILL PROTEST AT ELIZABETH EDWARDS' FUNERAL, BUT THEY HAD OTHER ISSUES WITH HER AS WELL. Donna Martinez/WPTF Radio Host: "Do you believe that God gave Elizabeth Edwards breast cancer as retribution?" Shirley Roper/Westboro Baptist Church: "Of course that's what he did. And then he gave her a whoring husband. Don't you understand? You don't get to stomp your feet and flip off God and think it's gonna go well for you." REACTION TO THE PROTEST PLAN FROM RADIO LISTENERS WAS UNIVERSALLY NEGATIVE. Sarah of Raleigh/WPTF Radio Listener: "As a Christian I deplore what you're doing. I deplore.." Shirley Roper/Westboro Baptist Church: "I know. And you're not a Christian." Sarah of Raleigh: "I deplore it." Joe from Chapel Hill/WPTF Radio Listener: "I'm not a fan of the Edwards family. I never have been, but let her rest in peace. The family's been facing tragedy over and over. ((ED)) MANY WHO LISTENED TO THIS MORNING'S RADIO BROADCAST DID NOT CALL IN - BUT SOME HAVE DECIDED TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT WESTBORO'S PLANNED PROTEST. FIND OUT WHAT ACTION THEY'RE TAKING COMING UP AT SIX. LIVE AT EDENTON STREET METHODIST CHURCH IN DOWNTOWN RALEIGH, ED CRUMP, ABC 11 EYEWITNESS NEWS.

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Asia Gen Z LGBT couple sitting consoling together at sofa living room sharing bad time experience in gender and marriage equality problems.

Asia Gen Z LGBT couple sitting consoling together at sofa living room sharing bad time experience in gender and marriage equality problems.