INTERVIEW Robert Lipsyte: when did you know that you were gay? Tom Approbato 3:24 When did I know that I was gay? Or when did I first realized I had feelings? Robert Lipsyte 3:28 Is there a difference? Tom Approbato 3:30 there's a big difference for me because I first realized that I had attractions towards men when I was seven. And I wouldn't actually label myself gay. until I was about 11, or 12 is when I actually began to associate the word gay with myself, except the term that I wanted to use then was bisexual, because I couldn't actually say, Well, I'm gay. So I confided in a few friends who said, Well, maybe I'm bisexual at the most. And that's just because of things that, you know, experimenting and things like that. So I wasn't actually sure. When I actually labeled myself gay and said, Yes, I am gay. I was 15. Robert Lipsyte 4:10 And that's, I mean, that's a decision that's, you've come through something at that point. Tom Approbato 4:15 Yeah, I'd gone through a lot of help in dealing with my family, and dealing with my friends and dealing with my own emotions. And I finally just came forward and said, I, I am who I am, and I am gay. Robert Lipsyte 4:29 David was at hell for you is that? David Nunez 4:31 Yeah, for me, it was perhaps just as difficult except I think the hardest part with me was that I didn't come out till after I graduated from high school. And I wish I knew about you know, GLYNY gay and lesbian youth of New York while I was in high school because I felt very much alone and thought that I was the only one that had these feelings. When there were so many so many people around me. were feeling Robert Lipsyte 4:56 Where did you grow up. David Nunez 4:57 I grew up here in New York, Robert Lipsyte 4:59 And even then you felt isolated and alone? David Nunez 5:01 Yeah, that's the whole ironic part that me being in New York, sort of like one of the gay meccas in the country, and yet, I didn't know enough to look out for the gay resource. You know, that's available here in the city, Robert Lipsyte 5:15 Frances, you grew up in Florida, it's kind of further away from, again, mainstream, when when did you first have these these feelings that led you to a thought, Frances Miguez 5:23 Well, what I was about eight years old, I start feeling it took me a long time to accept that up to this year, it was very hard for me to accept that I was a lesbian. And it just like kind of brought itself to a point by moving away from home. And by moving away from that narrow minded kind of ideas that I had grown up with. Robert Lipsyte 5:43 Tom, when when did you tell your mom and dad Tom Approbato 5:48 I came out to, to my mother and father when I was 16? Robert Lipsyte 5:51 How that how that worked out? Tom Approbato 5:54 Surprisingly, very, very well. My mother and father have been very accepting for me. I sat them both down after taking them out to dinner and hinted about for about a half hour on what I had been feeling. And I'd been dropping hints for a while since then. And I said, Do you have any idea what I was talking about? What I'm getting at? And my mother said, raised her hand, she was being cute. And said, I know. And it's okay. She said, Well tell your father because I understand. And so right. So my father was just looking at me, and I said, Dad, he says, I love you, son. I say I love you, too. And I'm gay. Just roll it all out to make it as painless as possible. And he said, is that it? said, Yeah, he said, that's what's been bothering you. He said, Yeah, is I don't care if you're a black, white, gay, straight, or anything else, you're my son, I love you. With that, I started crying, because here I was ready to deal with them and deal with all of their fears. And they're not understanding. And I had all this built up inside me. And here it was, I met with the love of my parents, which is something I didn't know that I would actually be getting.

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GAY RIGHTS LEADERS COULD SOON BE PASSING THEIR OWN PETITIONS ... HOPING TO GET A CIVIL RIGHTS MEASURE ON THE 1994 BALLOT IN FLORIDA.THERE'S ALREADY A PETITION EFFORT UNDERWAY THAT WOULD LIMIT PROTECTION AGAINST DISCRIMINATION BASED ON SEXUAL ORIENTATION. IF THE NEW MOVEMENT IS SUCCESSFUL .. BOTH MEASURES WOULD BE ON THE BALLOT AT THE SAME TIME NEXT YEAR. BUT NOT ALL GAY ACTIVISTS ARE PUSHING FOR THEIR OWN AMENDMENT.... ONE TALLAHASSEE LEADER WHO WAS TARGETED BY SUPPORTERS OF THE ANTIGAY BALLOT SAYS THE TIMING IS NOT RIGHT FOR THIS NEW PETITION DRIVE.

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David Susskind 0:26 Do male prostitutes really exist? Well, my guests claimed the answer is yes. And they should know. They are hustlers, male prostitutes, and they say that their business is booming. Please meet them now. Incidentally, they are all in shadow to protect their identities. First Bill. Bill has been in the business for about nine years. He charges between 100 and $125 an hour for his services. Antonio is 20. And he has been a hustler for three years. He often works in tandem with his partner Jessica. Joe is in his 40s and has been in the business for seven years. He recently moved to New York a couple of months ago from California. Anthony is a school teacher. He's been moonlighting as a male prostitute for the last three years. Patrick recently moved to New York from Florida. He has been in the business for seven years, and has occasionally received new cars as gifts from his clients. A question I'm going to be asked on this program is where did you get the guests? How did you get the guests? You are here voluntarily? "Joe" (male prostitute) 1:36 Yes, we're here voluntarily. David Susskind 1:37 And you are all legitimate male hustlers prostitutes? "Joe" (male prostitute) 1:42 right? David Susskind 1:43 All right, then they're gonna ask, why did they come on? What is the answer? "Patrick" (male prostitute) 1:49 Well, I don't see I don't consider myself a prostitute in in that way, you know David Susskind 1:54 What do you call yourself "Patrick" (male prostitute) 1:55 like an escort David Susskind 1:57 Escort? "Patrick" (male prostitute) 1:58 Yeah "Joe" (male prostitute) 1:58 I don't consider myself a hustler. "Patrick" (male prostitute) 2:00 I Strictly go women. I don't go guys or anything like that with a lot of people go both, you know? David Susskind 2:07 Right. Joe, "Joe" (male prostitute) 2:08 I said, I don't consider myself a hustler. That has a connotation of, you know, docking somebody for something. What I do is voluntary all the way around, I get paid. It's pre established. David Susskind 2:22 Your full time job is servicing women sexually. "Joe" (male prostitute) 2:26 Now, it's not my full time job. It's probably the major source of my income. I do some writing. I've got a background in computers. I do some things in programming. But those are from my own account for contracts that I arranged myself. I don't have an employer outside. David Susskind 2:47 Okay, Antonio, and Bill. You are male prostitutes. "Bill" (male prostitute) 2:52 Yeah, yeah. Since we provide a service, I think it's David Susskind 2:56 That's your business exclusively. "Bill" (male prostitute) 2:58 No, I'm a hairdresser. David Susskind 3:00 You're a hairdresser. It's a good recruiting place. "Bill" (male prostitute) 3:05 Sometimes, I try not to mix them too much. Isn't it isn't? Yeah. David Susskind 3:12 All right. Now, how do you decide to become? Why did you decide to become a prostitute? "Antonio" (male prostitute) 3:19 Because involved in it is pleasure? Okay. And sometimes when I get out of it myself, I get to meet, you know, people that I wouldn't have met otherwise. Okay. And in a way, I sort of enjoy it. Okay, and enjoy what I do. So that makes me good at it. And I believe David Susskind 3:37 how did it start? "Antonio" (male prostitute) 3:38 How did it start? David Susskind 3:39 Antinio, how did it start? Did someone come up to you and ask you? "Antonio" (male prostitute) 3:42 Yeah, when I was 17, I had a young lady a girlfriend of mine. And I was going through some financial hardships in my life, right? And as a joke, I told her, I said, Why don't you go downtown and get a job, you know, working in the business and the life, okay. And she took me up on it. And I couldn't believe it. When she came home. She told me that she didn't she had gotten a job, once later had passed. And then she made me a proposition. She said, What I work with her. And that's how I started. That's how I started to go down to 42nd streets to work in places such as show world let's scout the seedy little sexual shops where you perform like live sex acts upon stage David Susskind 4:18 you've done that? "Antonio" (male prostitute) 4:19 Yes I have. David Susskind 4:20 How did you graduate from there to one on one, having a lady with money ready to pay for sex. "Antonio" (male prostitute) 4:27 Someone else in the business had told me they said you'd met you would make a lot of money if you'd like put an ad in the paper, and then do it on your own. Instead of working for a company who takes maybe 60% of all your money and gives you only 40%. Again, if you did it on your own, you'd make more money, and it'd be much easier for you. And that's how I started and I just put my own ad in the paper David Susskind 4:49 What about the matter of pride or ego? "Anthony" (male prostitute) 4:54 For me, I feel proud enough as just being what I am now. Having a reputable vocation. I just was never born with a silver spoon in my mouth. I needed to subsidize my income. And what I'm doing I don't, I'm not ashamed of it. I've always had it in my blood I've been I've been in a center for I started out doing this to some kind of nudity, one extent, to another. David Susskind 5:22 What kind of nude pictures? "Anthony" (male prostitute) 5:24 I made nude pictures. I started out doing a centerfold. That was my big debut in nudity at nudity. And from there, just branched off magazine went hand in hand. It was a New York based magazine. David Susskind 5:37 You want to talk about? Alright. How did you happen to get into this peculiar business? "Patrick" (male prostitute) 5:43 Well, I met a woman in Florida. She worked. She was a real estate, you know, broker, I got involved with her. I lived with her daughter first. And I got involved with her. And then from that went on, in most of my people taking the financial back and, like bought me motorcycle bought me car, jewelry, clothes. I was things like that, "Anthony" (male prostitute) 6:09 that that's the classic sofa, so called quotes. Case of being a gigolo I never took, "Patrick" (male prostitute) 6:17 that's what it is. It's not prostitute, it's not really not a prostitute "Anthony" (male prostitute) 6:21 I prefer the connotation of gigolo myself. But that's, that's playing the game to the next to me trying to get cars and girls and money and getting paid for you. I've done this as a stepping stone to other things. When I got to a point of being at a personal level with them, I tended to use them as a social reference to my life to increase enhance my lifestyle in other ways. I've gotten involved with interesting things. And it came to the point where I didn't ask for a fee anymore. It was a personal level, I've gotten to a point where it's been personal to me now, and these are well established what to do, ladies. And it's been interesting that way, David Susskind 7:01 when you meet the wealthy ladies that you service, would you meet? Where did you meet the last one? "Anthony" (male prostitute) 7:09 Through maybe a friend, but that all stemmed from maybe an ad and paper or some kind of source? They can find you. David Susskind 7:17 You all advertise your wares? Where? "Antonio" (male prostitute) 7:23 should we say? "Joe" (male prostitute) 7:24 I think I'd rather not say there are certainly people listening who will cause they'll look it up and hassle us "Anthony" (male prostitute) 7:31 advertise, give us up, do my phone numbers be great, "Patrick" (male prostitute) 7:34 I don't have a time. That's it. I just don't, there's no need to advertise, David Susskind 7:39 Do you go where rich women are. "Bill" (male prostitute) 7:42 Well usually there, that seems to be the first people whose attitudes have, you know, evolved with everything else, you know, with women's liberation, and, you know, attitudes just change. And you know, the women know that the men do it. I worked in a strip show for three years. And it was, I guess, the way I got started, and you know, the opportunities were just there. And, "Joe" (male prostitute) 8:08 but it provides a convenience for a lot of women to, you know, busy women, accomplished women, you do it at the time, that's most convenient for them. Many instances, they don't have time to be bothered before, after they don't, they don't want to be bothered. They want somebody who can provide them some entertainment, who's not going to bother them later. Unlike some situations, most women really have a full life and are not looking for an attachment. They're looking for pleasure. And they want to be let alone before and after. That's fine, too. "Anthony" (male prostitute) 8:46 At the same time, they want to look for something unusual. And it's almost a fantasy. David Susskind 8:51 You bring women's sexual fantasies to live you. "Anthony" (male prostitute) 8:55 Yeah, for sure. We just going into a dark room and then doing our job and going right out of their lives again, it's like, you know, being swept out of their feet off their feet for the for the hour for the time. It's "Bill" (male prostitute) 9:07 I know, man evolves a lot, you know, the husband's calling and requesting you know, he with a wife, "Joe" (male prostitute) 9:14 I get laid that way. David Susskind 9:16 The husband calls you? "Bill" (male prostitute) 9:17 Oh Yeah, matter of fact, I would say that most of mine are through husbands, right. David Susskind 9:22 And the husbands want you to "Bill" (male prostitute) 9:24 And the husband's let you know the telephone that they don't want anything to do with you sexually. It's just, it's I think it has to do it. The man is really in love with his wife, and it's something he can't provide or whatever it is, if you're physically more able than he is, or whatever. And they're not always old people. They're not always young, they're the spectrum is real wide. "Anthony" (male prostitute) 9:44 Plus, the woman is very inhibited and calling themselves and needy husband for the male mate to sort of be the front. "Bill" (male prostitute) 9:50 It's a safety factor too I think. Like I said before "Joe" (male prostitute) 9:53 How often are you guys called by a woman as opposed to a man making the arrangement. "Anthony" (male prostitute) 9:59 a handful. In my whole career "Joe" (male prostitute) 10:02 arrangements provide protection. I mean, the woman doesn't know what she's really getting into. I mostly called by man and they're most often there in order to watch. Often they watch. It's like having their own 3d Porno show very often thy watch "Bill" (male prostitute) 10:18 Usually it's a male that's involved in setting it up, whether he's there or not, I don't care if you if it's a gay male, who is a friend of the ladies, and she can tell him about it. You know, a lot of times a female can't tell us straight friend that, uh, you know, she wants to do this. So some, I've had a lot of pre arranged things through, you know, a gay male has nothing to do with and he wants to make sure that, you know, he feels that your presence is safe for the lady, and then he'll leave. And he'll make you know, she may he may say call me when it's over or whatever. But you know, why is it that? David Susskind 10:51 Well, isn't that something eerie? Something a sick man calling unless he's had his operation. "Bill" (male prostitute) 10:58 But David, why would it why why in the house is the man usually the one who carries the garbage out in the alley and the ladies want to does the dishes because of the lady took the garbage out in the alley, she's allowed to get attacked and everything else. So this way, at least it's a big safety factor, "Joe" (male prostitute) 11:11 or contact that she doesn't want to talk "Bill" (male prostitute) 11:15 in a male strip to show and it was it was a class show, right behind Chippendales. And the woman said, as long as they were safe within the confines of this building, they would go crazy, they would do anything. I mean, after the show behind the curtain or anything else. So let me know that there was an attitude kind of males have, it's just that they have to feel safe to be able to do it. I mean, when you're looking for a fantasy, you're not looking to be, you know, molested, you're looking for pleasure. And that's exactly what they're what we're trying to give them. David Susskind 11:45 Because it goes against the ancient male attitude of possessivness. "Bill" (male prostitute) 11:52 Yeah, exactly. And the reason why because the men are the ones who keep the, the ladies uptight about it. I work in a show of more than five men showed up in the audience. The ladies were uptight, because the men were watching them. They were scrutinizing they were making judgments. But when there were 600, women in the audience, five, I mean, five men don't make a dent at all. And the ladies don't feel intimidated by the men. "Anthony" (male prostitute) 12:15 I mean the interesting thing about couples, if I can say is that when a couple comes to see me. I mean, they're all lovey dovey with each other. And they ended up having, they end up walking out feeling better about each other, and I end up being like, the loneliest guy in the world. You're not a threat. We're a service. Yeah. And we're not a threat. David Susskind 12:35 But yeah, the couple came to see you. That was for the purpose of your servicing the wife, "Anthony" (male prostitute) 12:41 the wife, and she would join in, of course, maybe in positions, you know, he likes his wife, two weeks here and there in different positions. And that would make them closer, actually, at the end of the session, it would, it would actually make them closer, you know, and they need to do it regularly. It's unusual, it's different experiments for them. "Joe" (male prostitute) 12:59 You know, a lot of men have been curious for a long time about how much they're satisfying their wives and how how competent they are. And they look for an opportunity without a lot of social pressure to find out how their performance is. If they can take the wife to a professional, or have a professional come in someone who's making his living this way, or the better part of it this way. And then they can make a judgement, they can be informed, there's a great deal that we don't know about, about sexual relationships. And this is a way to get their answers. "Anthony" (male prostitute) 13:34 I've learned a lot about myself doing this, that's for sure. Yeah, "Bill" (male prostitute) 13:38 yeah. Remember, David this is probably the most uptight country in the world as far as sexual sexuality goes. I mean, attitudes. "Joe" (male prostitute) 13:49 I don't know about that. "Bill" (male prostitute) 13:50 Well, I mean, they're, they're more oppressive countries, but still, this country is opening up a little bit. But why is this so new, then? not new. But I mean, why is the it's not fully accepted David Susskind 14:04 Well because they've been, they've been mores, they've been conventions, they've been moralities that render the kind of work you do around with these a lot of times illegal and immoral and unacceptable. "Joe" (male prostitute) 14:19 Yeah, we've been we've been channeled I think away from our true natures, in some instances, maybe for good reasons. But I think our true nature is probably would all be bisexual, all men or women would tend to be bisexual, except that were channeled from the time we learned to speak, to do one thing or another. David Susskind 14:38 I'm pretty happy about that channel. "Joe" (male prostitute) 14:40 Well I'm not unhappy about that either, but it is there. You have a choice and people are curious to know what is like outside the channel. David Susskind 14:48 Alright, we'll come right back to where we are after this pause.

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