Richard Green Chancellor NY Public Schools 18:49 In terms of the teachers who aren't performing successfully, I said, give them a lot of support, a lot of help. And when you judge a system after they've had a lot of support and a lot of help, all things being equal. If they aren't performing, then they can't be in the classrooms in New York City. I don't think that that's really a radical statement myself. And I think the teachers union, those interested in the profession, the quality of life in our schools would agree that inappropriate people should not be around children. Robert Lipsyte 19:16 And yet you have criticized so so quickly, for not making a snap decision when Barnwell the principal involved in drugs. It was first reported. You said I have sympathy for him. You didn't just throw them out of the school? Richard Green Chancellor NY Public Schools 19:30 That's correct. I don't believe that, simply because Mr. Barnwell was a person who really had the label educator, that somehow he was to be judged differently in in the in the justice system, he was charged. He's in court right now. That process is applicable to every American citizen. If you were listening to the arguments, what is it specifically that they wanted me to do with Mr. Barnwell? Robert Lipsyte 19:54 They wanted you to make some sort of immediate gesture when Richard Green Chancellor NY Public Schools 19:58 gestures are not what you do to your employees, you don't treat employees with gestures, you provide them with the same kind of constitutional protections that all other citizens are provided with including due process is they would be in court. In terms of his sickness, if he was involved with drugs and crack, he ought to be treated simply like every other individual. He could not be around children. He was suspended from his school, he was removed from his school. And I was hoping that as one human being to another, that he would get the treatment to try to restore his life. I think it's the same thing he provided for recently a television commentator and one of the major news organizations who I have a lot of respect for. And I didn't see how those individuals Robert Lipsyte 20:36 Who is not dealing with children on a day to day basis. Richard Green Chancellor NY Public Schools 20:38 Right, and Mr. Barnwell has not either that's why he was removed immediately. But people seem to confuse those things. And the question in this society, because drugs are such an important part of whether we're going to be successful, is how are we treat those who need help? Well, we simply isolate them to some island, ignore them. We've had a series of people in the educational community now that had been arrested for allegedly purchasing drugs. They're away from children. Now. We hope that they're getting assistance. They won't be back around children, including Mr. Barnwell, unless there's evidence that supports that that ought to happen. If they violate the contract of the system is highly likely they won't be back in the system, because the contract provides for other alternatives for people that are that are convicted of drug possession. For those that said, we want some symbols, I'm not in the business of providing people in terms of symbolic gestures just to meet to the public hue and cry about an issue. Robert Lipsyte 21:34 Yeah. Well, New York is a city of hype. And with all due respect, Richard Green has been a bit of a Mr. Beige. I mean, you haven't gone out to the rooftop screaming and yelling as a lot of, you know, political people would be I mean, you've got something to say. And you said it in classrooms. You said it to small groups you said it to parents, but you haven't said it, you know, to the throng Richard Green Chancellor NY Public Schools 22:00 That isn't true. And whether it's been heard. I've had major presentations in the 14 months that I've been here, and the throngs everywhere from the Abney breakfast with the standing room only. That isn't true that I haven't had that message. It's true. And I don'e believe... Robert Lipsyte 22:15 Well you might be giving the message, but you haven't been getting the kind of distribution. Richard Green Chancellor NY Public Schools 22:20 Well, that's that's a different kind of question. It is true. I don't spend my time on the on the on house tops shouting, because I found in examining New York over the last 20 years, that hasn't been a productive experience in improving the quality of life for the city. And I think it's a great city with much hope. And I'm very honored to be the Chancellor of the New York schools. Robert Lipsyte 22:39 Yeah. Well, but I mean, you came in your your inaugural has been described as a coronation.Yeah, you scripted it. Richard Green Chancellor NY Public Schools 22:49 I said, No, it was not my discription Robert Lipsyte 22:51 You didn't script it. It was a magnificent coming. And as certainly your vision, your reformist vision is a very exciting and very important vision. Richard Green Chancellor NY Public Schools 23:05 Do you know that if we don't educate this generation of students, there won't be a New York City? Do you know that formerly, America was able to look to other parts of the world to help it with its labor force with its citizenship, it note those places no longer have the huge numbers of immigrant population are in new immigrant population will come from the Caribbean. There'll be a Haitian Creole and Latino in South America, Southeast Asia, Asia, if we don't get a handle on the management and development and valuing of life in America, by this group of students in our schools today that we won't have a future. It is something we should be very serious about. And my commitment to you about not being involved with the hype is a seriousness that if we fail with this group, we won't have a future.

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00:00:00:00 - The Clinton Administration will extend - for a year - a deportation deadline allowing about 20-thousand Haitians to remain in the United States. Elements: Poss McCurry Senate Judiciary S ...

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THE REVEREND JESSE JACKSON DISCUSSES HAITIAN IMMIGRANTS.

POWER AMONG MEN

Haitians processed; Clinton on Haiti immigrant problem

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BILL CLINTON - STATE OF THE UNION ADDRESS

Haitians processed; Clinton on Haiti immigrant problem

INTERVIEW INSERT CONTINUES: Robert Lipsyte: Now also in terms of we've read so often about suicides and accidents. I mean, do you have children? Bob DiMartini:Yes, I do. Robert Lipsyte: Are you concerned about having a gun in your home or guns in your home? Bob DiMartini: Well, I'm, how could I say to fanatic as far as safeguarding my weapons, I went out and bought a safe. And for the simple reason that I put my guns in a safe Robert Lipsyte: Well, obviously, you're much more careful than then most people are. But the fact that the the need exists for your kind of services, leads me to believe that there is something basically wrong in the kind of protection we're getting in the City. And maybe it's only perception, but that people are afraid people are going to get themselves guns out of fear. Bob DiMartini: Well, I have the same perception that you do. If the police department, any police department in any city, does their job properly. I don't believe there is a need for guns. In New York City. You read so much. It's so many times of what's transpiring that people do fear. There's no question about it. Robert Lipsyte: if the police department was, in your terms, doing the job necessary to protect us would there be such a need for such an army of private security in the city? Bob DiMartini : I don't believe you'd need that either., because Robert Lipsyte: Many of them are carrying guns and who are these guys? They're not all they're not all, you know, retired detective sergeants and lieutenants. Bob DiMartini : A lot of the a lot of people what happens is a security company gets a blanket license, it's called a license, while they're working. Okay. A lot of these people are trained by that company. What is that training? Okay, is it that good that we now you can see armed security guards all over the city. They're not all retired police officers. They're not all retired professionals from different fields of law enforcement. They're just the guy off the street, who's given a gun, you're now a security officer. It's the same thing as taking a rookie out of a police academy, after four months, giving him a gun. Is he properly trained? I don't know. Robert Lipsyte: So we've got an army of private security people who may or may not be properly trained. We've got people illegally carrying guns perhaps in cabs being frightened by somebody who is drunk and obstreperous and turning around. We've got people, women, other fearful people, carrying guns. And and the joke, of course of all this is this, this, this is this picture that that you brought, this is, this is Bob DiMartini, seven years ago is Detective Sergeant with a squad in the Bronx. And this is some of the guns that he took away from bad guys, in less than a month. I mean, that kind of Arsenal out there. You You talked about Dodge City, you talked about the city becoming out of control, people shooting each other. The good guys are going to lose, aren't they? They're outgunned. Bob DiMartini: Well, what happens is, there's so many illegal guns out there are now in the hands of criminals. If the good guys all armed themselves, so to speak, we just reverted back to the 1800s. And we better hope that Wyatt Earp comes back. Because you have a traffic dispute. It's going to be a shootout. You have a dispute in a bar or a nightclub. It's going to be a shootout. You have a family dispute, husband and wife,she goes gets her gun, he goes gets his and they shoot it out in the living room. I mean, I've seen all this in my 21 years of police work. I've seen the family dispute the illegal gun comes out and someone gets killed. The bar dispute, the cab dispute. Simple thing a man in a grocery store, okay, legally he can have a shotgun or a rifle if he registers it. He's got an illegal shotgun in his store. kid comes in and steals three candy bars. I got robbed he takes out a shotgun and he shoots the kid over three candy bars. Or two cops respond to the scene 1030 in progress, which means a robbery candy store guy says that kid just robbed me. They run down the block, the kid turns on them first. He may have the candy bars in his hand, which if I remember correctly, there was an incident in Brooklyn Robert Lipsyte : for a candy bar you die. Bob DiMartini: cop kills a kid for a candy bar again, Robert Lipsyte: what are we talking? Well, a man who carries a gun would like people not to carry guns. Bob DiMartini, thank you very much for being with us. The questions of Crime and Punishment we've been exploring this week obviously will not be answered from the barrel of a gun, licensed or otherwise. And few people understood that better than the Chancellor of New York's public schools, Richard Greene, who died this morning of a heart attack. He would have been 53 at the end of this month. In his last major televised interview, just last week, on The Eleventh Hour, Dr. Greene, who approached his responsibilities with far less fanfare than most public officials offered this vision of the embattled city. Richard Green Chancellor NY Public Schools: It is truly I don't spend my time on the on the house tops shouting, because I found an examinee, New York over the last 20 years, that hasn't been a productive experience in improving the quality of life for the city. And I think it's a great city with much hope. And I'm very honored to be the Chancellor of the New York schools. Do you know that if we don't educate this generation of students, there won't be a New York City? Do you know that formerly, America was able to look to other parts of the world to help it with its labor force with its citizenship? Those places no longer have the huge numbers of immigrant population our new immigrant population will come from the Caribbean. There'll be a Haitian Creole and Latino in South America, Southeast Asia, Asia. If we don't get a handle on the management and development and valuing of life in America, by this group of students in our schools today that we won't have a future. It is something we should be very serious about. And my commitment to you about not being involved with the hype is a serious is that if we fail with this group, we won't have a future. Robert Lipsyte: in deference to Chancellor Greene's memory, Rudolph Giuliani has postponed the official announcement of his mayoral candidacy on the republican liberal and Law and Order tickets. Our week long series on Crime and Punishment continues with Giuliani next time on The Eleventh Hour.

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Port-au-Prince, Haiti. Cityscape.

The Coast Guard says at least four Haitians have died in the sinking of a boat off Florida and as many as eleven others may be missing.

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Port-au-Prince, Haiti. Cityscape.