AP-APTN-0930: JAPAN CURRENCIES Friday, 1 June 2012 STORY:JAPAN CURRENCIES- MINISTER PROMISES DECISIVE ACTION TO PROTECT YEN AGAINST EURO SPECULATION LENGTH: 01:19 FIRST RUN: 0630 RESTRICTIONS: SEE SCRIPT TYPE: Japanese/Natsound - pt mute SOURCE: TV TOKYO STORY NUMBER: 743901 DATELINE: TOKYO, 1 JUNE 2012 LENGTH: 01:19 SHOTLIST 1. Close of flags of Japan and China; tracking over to foreign exchange traders at Tokyo Forex Ueda Harlow Limited ++MUTE++ 2. Close of a trader at Tokyo Forex Ueda Harlow Limited ++MUTE++ 3. Close of flags zooming into foreign exchange figures showing the Yen/Yuan exchange rate ++MUTE++ 4. Close of flags ++MUTE++ 5. Mid of traders ++MUTE++ 6. Mid of Japanese finance minister Jun Azumi talking to media 7. SOUNDBITE (Japanese) Jun Azumi, Japanese Finance Minister: "We will continue to closely watch the foreign exchange markets with increasing alarm. If such excessive moves continue, I believe it will be necessary for me to take decisive measures." 8. Mid of Azumi 9. SOUNDBITE (Japanese) Jun Azumi, Japanese Finance Minister: "While we anticipate market participants to become further involved in expanding the market, the government will continue discussions and work with China." 10. Mid of Azumi leaving STORYLINE The Japanese Finance Minister Jun Azumi warned against excessive moves on the currency markets after the euro fell to an 11-year low against the Yen on Friday. Speaking to reporters in Tokyo, Azumi said Europe's debt problems are negatively affecting the sentiment of Japanese market participants, and said he will take "decisive measures" if necessary. The euro plunged to the 96-Yen level overnight in New York and the trend continued in Tokyo trading hours. This week, Spain became the new focus of the crisis after its borrowing rates soared to nearly 7 percent, a level that considered unsustainable for a country to continue funding itself by selling bonds to investors. Greece, Portugal and Ireland were forced to ask for financial aid after their rates went over 7 percent. Against the dollar, the euro has fallen nearly 7 percent in May as Europe's debt crisis intensified. The likelihood of Greece leaving the euro grew in early May when parties opposed to the terms of the country's financial rescue performed well at the polls. New elections are planned for later this month. In other currency moves, Azumi welcomed the start of direct trading between the Japanese Yen and the Chinese Yuan on Friday. The two currencies began trading in Tokyo and Shanghai markets. Until now, China has only allowed direct trading between the yuan and the US dollar. Allowing direct trading with the Yen would reduce transaction costs for financial institutions and companies, as they would not need to go through a third country to exchange currencies. "While we anticipate market participants to become further involved in expanding the market, the government will continue discussions and work with China" Azumi said. According to the Bank of Tokyo Mitsubishi UFJ financial group, the Chinese yuan fetched 12.335 yen at the outset of trading that began at 9am (0000 GMT) in Tokyo. China has long pledged to loosen tight controls on its currency. The move to allow direct trading of the yen and the yuan is a step in that direction which will also streamline foreign exchange dealings between China and Japan, the world's second and third-biggest economies. The China Foreign Exchange Trade System said in a notice that the exchange rate for yuan and yen would be based on a weighted average of prices given by market makers, excluding the highest and lowest offers. A similar arrangement applies to the yuan-dollar exchange rate. The yuan-yen exchange rate listed by the State Administration of Foreign Exchange on Friday was 8.0686 yuan to 100 Japanese yen, or 12.39 yen per 1 yuan. Clients are reminded: (i) to check the terms of their licence agreements for use of content outside news programming and that further advice and assistance can be obtained from the AP Archive on: Tel +44 (0) 20 7482 7482 Email: infoaparchive.com (ii) they should check with the applicable collecting society in their Territory regarding the clearance of any sound recording or performance included within the AP Television News service (iii) they have editorial responsibility for the use of all and any content included within the AP Television News service and for libel, privacy, compliance and third party rights applicable to their Territory. APTN (Copyright 2012 by The Associated Press. All Rights Reserved.) AP-NY-06-01-12 0654EDT

HOLLYWOOD: MY HOME TOWN

DOUG FRATTALLONE TELLS US ABOUT A SPINOFF OF THE X-FILES

08:00:45:00,Stars interviewed, get awards, press photographers take pictures, lights in sky, Policeman holds back crowd, Stars wave, Movie Marquees, Photographer takes picture, Premiere of "So Big", James Arness, Jane Wyman, "The Eddie Cantor Story", Robert Alda, "Silver Chalice", Virginia Mayo, "The Boy from Oklahoma", Will Rogers Jr. "Lucky Me", Robert Cummings. "Ring of Fear", Ann Robinson, "King Richard and the Crusaders", "A Star is Born (1954)", Judy Garland, Hedda Hopper, Gary Cooper, George Jessel, Louella Parsons, Lucille Ball, Desi Arnaz, Clark Gable, Liberace, Harry Warner, Jack Warner, "Island in the Sky", John Wayne, Red Skelton, Gordon McCrae, "The High and the Mighty", "Battle Cry", Raoul Walsh, Leon Uris, "The Searchers", Ward Bond, "Streetcar Named Desire", Errol Flynn, Joan Crawford, "A Star is Born" New York premiere, Times Square, marquees, Gloria Graham, Raymond Burr, Dean Martin, Shelly Winters, Lauren Bacall, Janet Leigh, Tony Curtis, Alan Ladd, Edward G. Robinson, Jack Carson, Elizabeth Taylor, Michael Wilding, Donald Crisp, Debbie Reynolds, crowds, limousines, Kim Novak, Danny Thomas, Doris Day, Mae West, Jean Harlow plays golf, Loretta Young, Charlie Chaplin, Paulette Goddard, Jackie Cooper, Oscars, kleig lights, audience reactions, Academy Award given out

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NAME: US MJ WRAP 20090904E TAPE: EF09/0837 IN_TIME: 10:17:26:20 DURATION: 00:04:42:23 SOURCES: AP TELEVISION/POOL/ABC DATELINE: Los Angeles - 3 Sept 2009 RESTRICTIONS: Pt No Access NAmerica/Internet SHOTLIST: ABC - NO ACCESS NORTH AMERICA / INTERNET Los Angeles, 3 September 2009 1 . Aerial shot of cemetery POOL Los Angeles, 3 September 2009 2. Medium shot of guests sitting for start of service 3. Medium shot of activist Al Sharpton, and actress Lisa Rae 4. Medium shot of actor Macaulay Caulkin and his actress girlfriend, Mila Kunis 5. Medium shot of Dame Elizabeth Taylor 6. Medium shot of guests sitting for start of service AP TELEVISION ++NIGHT SHOTS++ Los Angeles, 3 September 2009 7. Medium of motorcade with family arriving at Forest Lawn Cemetery ABC - NO ACCESS NORTH AMERICA / INTERNET ++NIGHT SHOTS++ Los Angeles, 3 September 2009 8. Aerial shot of line of cars driving through cemetery POOL ++NIGHT SHOTS++ Los Angeles, 3 September 2009 ++AUDIO: PIANO MUSIC++ 9. Wide of motorcade with family arriving at service site 10. Wide of line of cars pulling up at service site 11. Michael Jackson's three children getting out of car 12. Michael Jackson's sister, Janet Jackson being shown to her seat 13. Michael Jackon's father, Joe Jackson and mother, Katherine Jackson being led to their seats with Michael Jackson's three children 14. Wide of Michael Jackson's parents and his three children being seated in front row 15. Jackson brothers arriving 16. Jackson brothers taking their seats next to Janet Jackson in front row 17. Michael Jackson's three children seated looking at programme 18. Joe Jackson and Katherine Jackson 19. Close up of Michael Jackson's sister, LaToya Jackson 20. Wide of guests seated for funeral service 21. Wide of family hugging guests arriving for funeral service ABC - NO ACCESS NORTH AMERICA / INTERNET ++NIGHT SHOTS++ Los Angeles, 3 September 2009 22. Aerial of hearse arriving POOL ++NIGHT SHOTS++ Los Angeles, 3 September 2009 23. Ground shot of hearse arriving ABC - NO ACCESS NORTH AMERICA / INTERNET ++NIGHT SHOTS++ Los Angeles, 3 September 2009 24. Various aerials of guests seated ++NEW AP TELEVISION ++NIGHT SHOTS++ Los Angeles, 3 September 2009 25. Various of family members in cars leaving the cemetery 26. Motorcade leaving the cemetery STORYLINE JACKSON FINALLY LAID TO REST More than two months after his death, Michael Jackson was entombed at a private ceremony Thursday night (03 SEPT 2009), before more than 200 family and friends. The service was delayed more than an hour by his family's late arrival at Forest Lawn Glendale. The invitation notice indicated the service would begin promptly at 7 pm (0200 GMT Friday); it began closer to 8:30 pm (0330 GMT Friday), because of the tardy arrival of Jackson's parents, Joe and Katherine, and other family members. They included the singer's three children, Prince Michael, 12, Paris Michael, 10, and Prince Michael II, 7, known as Blanket. Celebrities, including 77-year-old Elizabeth Taylor, baseball star Barry Bonds and actor Macaulay Culkin, waited in stubborn heat for the outdoor service, with the temperature stuck at 90 degrees (32 Celsius) just before sunset. Police had escorted the family's motorcade of 31 cars, including Rolls-Royces and Cadillacs, from Encino to Forest Lawn, with the hearse bearing Jackson's body at the end. A large, blimp-like inflated light, the type used in film and television production, and a boom camera hovered over the seating area placed in front of the elaborate marble mausoleum. The equipment raised the possibility that the footage would be used for the Jackson concert documentary 'This Is It'. About 250 seats were arranged for mourners over artificial turf laid roadside at the mausoleum. Nearly double the number of media credentials, 435, were issued to reporters and film crews who remained at a distance from the service and behind barricades. The Reverend Al Sharpton spoke at the ceremony, and Gladys Knight performed. Just before 10 pm (0500 GMT Friday), Sharpton posted on his Twitter page that "Michael Jackson has been laid to rest." Jackson will share eternity at Forest Lawn with the likes of Clark Gable, Jean Harlow and W.C. Fields, entombed alongside them in the mausoleum that will be all but off-limits to adoring fans who might otherwise turn the pop star's grave into a shrine. The closest the public will be able to get to Jackson's vault is a portion of the mausoleum that displays "The Last Supper Window," a life-size stained-glass re-creation of Leonardo da Vinci's masterpiece. Several 10-minute presentations about the window are held regularly 365 days a year, but most of the building is restricted. The ceremony ended months of speculation that the singer's body would be buried at Neverland Ranch, in part to make the property a Graceland-style attraction. An amended copy of Jackson's death certificate was filed Thursday in Los Angeles County to reflect Forest Lawn as his final resting place. In court on Wednesday, it was disclosed that 12 burial spaces were being purchased by Jackson's estate at Forest Lawn Glendale, about eight miles north of downtown Los Angeles, but no details were offered on how they would be used. The King of Pop died a drug-induced death on 25 June aged 50 as he was about to embark on a comeback attempt. The coroner's office has labelled the death a homicide and Jackson's death certificate lists "injection by another" as the cause. Dr. Conrad Murray, Jackson's personal physician, told detectives he gave the singer a series of sedatives and the powerful anaesthetic propofol to help him sleep, but prosecutors are still investigating, and no charges have been filed.

<p><b>*SEE </b><b>NA-21MO FOR ADDITIONAL STORY INFORMATION</b></p>\n<p></p>\n<p>NEWS: E. Jean Carroll says Trump is using her, someone she says he sexually assaulted, “to win voters;” plans to contribute sum to women’s rights causes</p>\n<p><b>--SUPERS</b>--</p>\n<p></p>\n<p><b>--VIDEO SHOWS</b>--</p>\n<p></p>\n<p>#NEWS: E. Jean Carroll says Trump is using her, someone she says he sexually assaulted, “to win voters;” plans to contribute sum to women’s rights causes</p>\n<p></p>\n<p></p>\n<p></p>\n<p>Despite being terrified in the days leading up to the trial, E. Jean Carroll said when she saw the former president for the first time since she says he assaulted her in a Bergdorf dressing room, “he was nothing.”</p>\n<p></p>\n<p></p>\n<p></p>\n<p>“He was just - no power. He was zero,” Carroll told CNN’s Poppy Harlow and Phil Mattingly. “He’s an emperor without clothes. It’s like looking at nothing,” Carroll continued.</p>\n<p></p>\n<p> “I had been prepared for the worst force you know on the earth today, the most powerful the most effective, the most money, the richest the most you know you know - and there he is. He’s nothing.”</p>\n<p></p>\n<p>She said she made eye contact with him “many times.” “It’s just the people around him who give him the power. It’s the emperor without clothes,” she said referencing a Hans Christian Andersen fairytale.</p>\n<p></p>\n<p></p>\n<p></p>\n<p>Visibly emotional, Carroll tells CNN she “hadn’t seen him since he assaulted me in the dressing room and um preparing to see him, was terrifying.”</p>\n<p></p>\n<p>“The days leading up… it was so, I hadn’t slept, I hadn’t eaten, I couldn’t think I lost my language,” she tells CNN. She credits her attorney for her preparation.</p>\n<p></p>\n<p>“We were in the courtroom and Robbie [her attorney] went to the lectern, she said good morning E. Jean please state your name and spell it for the jury, for the court. And there he was, and he was nothing.”</p>\n<p></p>\n<p></p>\n<p></p>\n<p>“He’s using me to win voters”</p>\n<p></p>\n<p>“He’s using me to win voters. Sexual assault. A man found liable for sexual assault is using the woman he sexually assaulted to get votes,” Carroll said emphatically on CNN.</p>\n<p></p>\n<p>Earlier she had said “The courtroom was not a courtroom to him, it was a campaign stop. That was clear.”</p>\n<p></p>\n<p>“We had two different objectives - ours was to win a case, his was to win voters. We’ll see how that plays out.”</p>\n<p></p>\n<p></p>\n<p></p>\n<p>“We’re going to do good with that money.”</p>\n<p></p>\n<p>On what she will do with the enormous sum awarded to her, Carroll says “We’re inspired not to waste a penny of this, and we have some good ideas that we’re working on.”</p>\n<p></p>\n<p>“One of the things we could do seeing as how he’s very instrumental in taking away women’s rights over their bodies across the united states, maybe we could think about how we can restore women their rights,” she added.</p>\n<p></p>\n<p>Later in the interview she said “this is why this decision bodes well for women across- it came at a time when we needed that positive ‘we believe you’ statement.”</p>\n<p></p>\n<p>“This win really was for every woman who stood up and been knocked down, every woman.”</p>\n<p></p>\n<p>“We have planted our flag and we want to turn things around and make sure that women are believed.”</p>\n<p></p>\n<p></p>\n<p></p>\n<p>Her attorney, Robert Kaplan, appearing alongside Carroll on CNN addressed how Trump walked out during her closing arguments.</p>\n<p></p>\n<p>“In a case about whether you can follow the rules or not…not following the rules and acting like a bully is not a good move,” Kaplan said.</p>\n<p></p>\n<p>“Like ok that’s just gonna give us more money,” she recalled thinking.</p>\n<p></p>\n<p>Kaplan explained that Trump has the choice of putting down an appellate bond with the amount of 20% or he has to deposit the entire amount with the court, 83 “plus 9%” so “call it 89 million dollars.”</p>\n<p></p>\n<p>“If he can’t do either of those, then we can start collecting right now, and we will for sure,” she explained.</p>\n<p></p>\n<p></p>\n<p></p>\n<p>On her reaction to Trump potentially being president “Oh please, I can’t think of that.”</p>\n<p></p>\n<p>Asked how she would feel with Trump, the GOP front runner, were to be elected as president Carroll replied “Oh please!” “I can’t think of that. I don’t think it’s going to happen.”</p>\n<p></p>\n<p>Her attorney chimed in to say, “when people are really confronted with the facts, when the rules apply, people see the truth about Donald Trump and this isn’t the first trial- he’s got a lot of trials coming up before the election and it’s going to happen to him over and over and over again and I don’t think he has enough americans who are willing to buy what he says in MAGA rallies to elect him president. At least that’s what I hope,” she continued.</p>\n<p></p>\n<p></p>\n<p></p>\n<p>“Nobody could read that jury,” Carroll says</p>\n<p></p>\n<p>Carroll said she exchanged smiles with the jurors following the verdict.</p>\n<p></p>\n<p>“Nobody could read that jury. They were so responsible with their job,” she continued.</p>\n<p></p>\n<p>“They didn’t even look at the attorneys. They took notes and they were just absolutely focused. So we had no idea, none, what the response would be.”</p>\n<p></p>\n<p></p>\n<p></p>\n<p>“Everything’s on the table” attorney says</p>\n<p></p>\n<p>“Everything’s on the table” Kaplan said, saying she’d be prepared to bring another case if Trump repeats defamation, which he has so far, not.</p>\n<p></p>\n<p>Reacting to Trump’s attorneys claims of proceedings, Kaplan said all of the judge’s rulings including about witnesses were completely appropriate</p>\n<p></p>\n<p>“He [Judge Kaplan] followed the rules, and now Donald Trump and Ms [Alina] Habba are going to have to follow the rules and that’s what the appellate court is going to say as well.”</p>\n<p></p>\n<p>Kaplan said that all eyes were on the federal judge in this case and she believes judges are watching and studying the judge on how to control Trumps behavior for future upcoming trials.</p>\n<p></p>\n<p></p>\n<p></p>\n<p></p>\n<p><b>--LEAD IN</b>--</p>\n<p></p>\n<p><b>--VO SCRIPT</b>--</p>\n<p></p>\n<p><b>--SOT</b>--</p>\n<p>E. JEAN CARROL 08:19:53 IT IS APPARENT FOR THE COURTROOM WAS NOT A COURTROOM. IT WAS A CAMPAIGN STOP. THAT WAS CLEAR. SO WE HAD TWO DIFFERENT OBJECTIVES. OURS WAS TO WIN A CASE. HIS WAS TO WIN VOTERS. WE'LL SEE HOW THAT PLAYS OUT. HE'S USING ME TO WIN BURGERS. SEXUAL ASSAULT A MAN FOUND LIABLE FOR SEXUAL ASSAULT. IS USING THE WOMAN HE SEXUALLY ASSAULTED TO GET VOTES. YOU</p>\n<p><b>--TAG</b>--</p>\n<p></p>\n<p><b>--REPORTER PKG-AS FOLLOWS</b>--</p>\n<p></p>\n<p><b>-----END-----CNN.SCRIPT-----</b></p>\n<p></p>\n<p><b>--KEYWORD TAGS--</b></p>\n<p></p>\n<p><b>--MUSIC INFO---</b></p>\n<p></p>

DOUG FRATTALLONE TELLS US ABOUT A SPINOFF OF THE X-FILES

14:00:22:00, Bugs Bunny Bond Rally song (COLOR, NICE), Spanky Speed-0 Bike commercial (late 1930s), Mae Questel as Betty, sings song, Bela as Drac comes to life to put the bite on her (NICE), WB outtakes with Robinson, Power, Powell, Rains, Bogart, Cagney, 1939 Academy Awards: Laughton, Lanchester, LaMarr, Stewart, Vivian Leigh and David O. Selznick, Olivia DeHavilland and John Whitney, Louella Parsons, Hedda Hopper, Jack Warner, Harry Warner, Ann Rutherford, Douglas Fairbanks Jr, Elsa Maxwell, Laurence Olivier, Mickey Rooney, Judy Garland, Norma Sherer, George Raft, Norman Weggner announces winners, Seated applause, Mervyn Leroy gives Oscar to Victor Fleming, Fleming speaks, Fay Bainter gives award to Thomas Mitchell, he speaks, Bette Davis gives Oscar to Hatie McDaniels, she speaks, cries, Spencer Tracy gives best Oscar award to for actor (reads nominees, reads Best Actress nominees, Vivian Leigh takes award, gives speech), Abbott & Costello outtakes (Little Giant), Mickey Rooney and Judy Garland at various appearances, speaks to crowd, semi-mobbed, cut cake and kiss with Louis B. Mayer, play/race in pool, with Fiorello LaGuardia at World's Fair, Fiorello speaks about how great New York is to visit (it's cheap and safe, 5 cents a night), Shirley Temple in For Their Sakes (Red Cross Appeal), Disaster and Red Cross Nurses at work, doctors at work, Cecille B. Demille chastises crew and actors from camera crane (from Hollywood Extra Girl), More WB bloopers: Garfield, Jory, Cagney, Bob Hope doing monologue from Strictly GI, Lane Turner does steak routine (and talks with Bob), Ext. Pantages theater for A Star Is Born premiere (NICE), Gloria Graham speaks with moderator, Raymond Burr and Evelyn Russell, Dean Martin and wife (NICE), Shelly Winters (looking good), Lauren Bacall speaks to host, Janet Leigh and Tony Curtis, Sue Carrol and Alan Ladd, Lucy and Desi!!!! (speak, nice), Edward G. Robinson and Miss Anderson, Jack Carson takes over moderator role, Jack Palance seen in crowd, Donald Crisp speaks, Elizabeth Taylor and Michael Wilding!!!!, Liberace and mom and Ann St. John, Dennis O'Keefe, Debbie Reynolds and Joey Foreman, Kim Novak speaks at mike, Sophie Tucker speaks, Danny Thomas in crowd, Doris Day with Carson and Howard Marx, Judy seen in crowd, George Jessel speaks, Joan Crawford speaks at mike (nice CUs), Judy Garland and Sid Luft and Jack Warner, Judy speaks, Throng at opening, At Home with Joan Crawford and her kids, "Give to the Jimmy" fund (for children's cancer), WB outtakes: Robinson, Patsy Kelly, Dick Foran, Pat O'Brien, Constance Bennete and her Daily Beauty Ritual (COLOR), gets out of bed, puts on cleaning cream, speaks to camera, takes bath, speaks about staying beautiful, Johnson & Johnson blooper baby powder spot, Reagan introduces Jayne Mansfield and gives award with Mickey Rooney (gets off famous line, LONG, NICE, Ron stands bemused), Bette Davis sells dishwasher (1935, NICE), shows how dishwasher works, Frank Sinatra in House I Live In tolerance clip, speaks to kids and sings House I Live In, WB outtakes with Porky, Laughton, Fields clip from The Dentist (woman wraps legs around him), Faked earthquake clip with Fields, Outtakes from My Man Godfrey, Powell and Lombard, Jean Harlow reveals beauty secrets, she golfs, smiles, Grauman's Chinese Premiere, pan of journalists at work, Harold Grayson and his band, stars arrive: Dempsey, Houston and Baer, Lorrett Young, Russ Columbo, Chaplin with Goddard and Cooper, Mae West arrives, speaks about I'm No Angel, says "Come up and see me sometime", Marilyn Monroe in Royal Triton commercial, Monroe screen test with Richard Conte, (NICE), Monroe gets photoplay award (looks really good), color footage of Marilyn arriving for Garden Party by helicopter, in red dress plays trumpet, gets 1952 Look award from Lauren Bacall, WB outtakes with Bogart, Davis, Bogart and Bacall screen test (VERY NICE), more a costume test, Bette Davis Christmas Appeal with kids, WB outtakes with Davis, Power, says "son of a bitch", James Dean in Highway Safety spot in cowboy outfit, Mickey and Judy for March of Dimes, WB outtakes: Cagney and Raft dance, Porky says "son of bitch"

Close-up of happy young LGBTQ+ stylish friends having a good time making funny faces and playing with hair at house inner garden

<p><pi><b>**This package/segment contains third party material. Unless otherwise noted, this material may only be used within this package/segment.**</b></pi></p>\n<p></p>\n<p><pi>***Please note: This package/segment contains dated references***</pi></p>\n<p></p>\n<p></p>\n<p><b>--SUPERS</b>--</p>\n<p>00 – 04</p>\n<p>06 – 13</p>\n<p>Justice Kyra Harris Bolden</p>\n<p>Michigan Supreme Court </p>\n<p></p>\n<p>14 – 19 </p>\n<p>Lansing, Michigan </p>\n<p></p>\n<p>:19-:23</p>\n<p>WDIV</p>\n<p></p>\n<p>:28-:33</p>\n<p>WILX </p>\n<p>Gov. 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Chief Justice Bridget McCormack</p>\n<p>Michigan Supreme Court </p>\n<p></p>\n<p>5:15 – 5:25 </p>\n<p>Justice Kyra Harris Bolden</p>\n<p>Michigan Supreme Court </p>\n<p></p>\n<p></p>\n<p><b>--LEAD IN</b>--</p>\n<p>A HISTORIC MOMENT IN MICHIGAN... WHERE KYRA HARRIS BOLDEN IS NOW THE FIRST BLACK FEMALE JUSTICE ON THE STATE'S SUPREME COURT.</p>\n<p>C-N-N'S POPPY HARLOW HAS THE STORY OF HER JOURNEY, AND HER FAMILY'S LEGACY OF FACING INJUSTICE IN THE LEGAL SYSTEM.</p>\n<p><b>--REPORTER PKG-AS FOLLOWS</b>--</p>\n<p>Justice Kyra Harris Bolden/ Michigan Supreme Court: </p>\n<p>"One day this little girl came to me and said, Miss Kyra, can girls go to college? And I looked at her and I said, 'Yes, I'm a girl. I'm in college.' And she turns to the little girl next to her and says, See, I told you." </p>\n<p>LITTLE GIRLS SAW THEMSELVES IN KYRA HARRIS BOLDEN. </p>\n<p>Justice Kyra Harris Bolden/ Michigan Supreme Court: </p>\n<p>"This has been a long journey for all of us for all of us."</p>\n<p>TODAY -- FOR THE FIRST TIME -- THEY CAN LOOK UP AND SEE WHAT ELSE THEY COULD BE<i>. </i></p>\n<p>Gretchen Whitmer, Governor of Michigan</p>\n<p>"Kyra will be the first black woman ever to serve on the Michigan Supreme Court." </p>\n<p>AND WITH THAT -- HISTORY WAS MADE AS MICHIGAN GOVERNOR GRETCHEN WHITMER APPOINTED BOLDEN TO THE STATE'S HIGHEST COURT<i>. </i></p>\n<p>Gretchen Whitmer, Governor of Michigan:</p>\n<p>"185 years we've never had an African American woman on the state's highest court -- it's about damn time!"</p>\n<p>Justice Kyra Harris Bolden/ Michigan Supreme Court: </p>\n<p>"It's just been an honor, and just been so surreal to be appointed to the highest court in the State of Michigan and be responsible for some really important decisions. </p>\n<p>Reporter:</p>\n<p>"What do you think makes you tear up?"</p>\n<p>Justice Kyra Harris Bolden/ Michigan Supreme Court: </p>\n<p>"Oh, um, because this means so much to so many people."</p>\n<p>JUSTICE BOLDEN'S JOURNEY TO THIS COURT THOUGH, BEGAN NEARLY A CENTURY AGO -- WITH A TRAGEDY.</p>\n<p>Justice Kyra Harris Bolden/ Michigan Supreme Court: </p>\n<p>"Jesse Lee Bond, my great grandfather, who was lynched in Tennessee in 1939, after asking the store owner for a receipt, and he was beaten and castrated and thrown into the local river, in the coroner deemed it an accidental drowning and as a result, his murderers walked free."</p>\n<p>THAT INJUSTICE DROVE BOLDEN TO LAW SCHOOL...</p>\n<p>Justice Kyra Harris Bolden/ Michigan Supreme Court: </p>\n<p>"Once I realized that that was something that happened in my own family. I just felt the need to be a part of the justice system and to go to law school and find my way in that</p>\n<p>Reporter:</p>\n<p>is your great grandfather's lynching. The reason you believe you became a lawyer,</p>\n<p>Justice Kyra Harris Bolden/ Michigan Supreme Court: </p>\n<p>"it was definitely a large part of it."</p>\n<p>SHE WOULD GO ON TO SERVE TWO TERMS IN THE STATE LEGISLATURE -- AND THEN TAKE A LEAP. A CHANCE AT MAKING HISTORY...</p>\n<p>Justice Kyra Harris Bolden/ Michigan Supreme Court: </p>\n<p>"We need to make sure that we have justices on our Michigan Supreme Court that believe in equal justice under the law, Liberty and justice for all." </p>\n<p>SHE DIDN'T WIN THAT RACE, BUT WHEN A SEAT ON THE HIGH COURT OPENED UP THIS SUMMER, SHE WAS THE GOVERNOR'S FIRST CHOICE.</p>\n<p>Justice Kyra Harris Bolden/ Michigan Supreme Court: </p>\n<p>"Thank you, thank you, thank you very much" </p>\n<p>HER DAUGHTER EMERSON, NOT YET FIVE MONTHS, TOO YOUNG TO KNOW THE HISTORY HER MOTHER HAS MADE. </p>\n<p>Justice Kyra Harris Bolden/ Michigan Supreme Court: </p>\n<p>"Emerson, in just a few generations our family has gone from lynching to law school, from Injustice to a capital J Justice." </p>\n<p>"From Injustice to a capital J Justice is really just amazing, it's amazing that we can make this type of progress for our family."</p>\n<p>Reporter:</p>\n<p>"What do you say to people who look at the state of racism in America today, and don't see it as as enough progress."</p>\n<p>Justice Kyra Harris Bolden/ Michigan Supreme Court: </p>\n<p>"It's not. It's not enough - it's unacceptable in 2022, we are now just having the first black woman on the Michigan Supreme Court. There has never been a black woman that's been a governor in the United States history, right. It's not acceptable. But we still have to work hard and we still have to try to break down these barriers.</p>\n<p>Reporter:</p>\n<p>"and 2022 it took till now to get the first black woman on the US Supreme Court. When you think about Justice Ketanji Brown Jackson. Few months before you</p>\n<p>Justice Kyra Harris Bolden/ Michigan Supreme Court: </p>\n<p>"Yes, yes."</p>\n<p>Reporter:</p>\n<p>"What you think?"</p>\n<p>Justice Kyra Harris Bolden/ Michigan Supreme Court: </p>\n<p>"I think is one of those moments where, you know what's possible, right? You know, the same way that people have said that they look at me, same way I look at her. I mean, she she's amazing, but she is a representation. of what is possible."</p>\n<p>nats</p>\n<p>"Are we fired up? Are we ready to go?"</p>\n<p>JUSTICE BOLDEN WILL BE UNIQUE ON THE COURT, AS THE ONLY JUSTICE WHO WAS PREVIOUSLY A STATE LAWMAKER.</p>\n<p>Reporter:</p>\n<p>"So that also opens the door to other critics who say, Well, you're a Democrat. You're partisan. You know, you served in the legislature you ran as a Democrat. How do you shed that?"</p>\n<p>"All judges and justices have personal points of view. You know, so I don't think I'm different in that. My job as a justice is to interpret the laws."</p>\n<p>nats</p>\n<p>"We have the opportunity to protect justice for generations to come." </p>\n<p>IN A FITTING, FULL CIRCLE -- SHE WILL FILL THE SEAT OF CHIEF JUSTICE BRIDGET MCCORMACK-- THE FIRST CAMPAIGN SHE EVER WORKED ON, A DECADE AGO.</p>\n<p>nats</p>\n<p>"the state is getting a smart Savvy and hard-working public servant as its newest Justice." </p>\n<p>Justice Kyra Harris Bolden/ Michigan Supreme Court: </p>\n<p>"I know the weight of this job, I know what it means. It's always been my goal to pull people with me. You know, Vice President Kamala said maybe the first but not the last. Yeah. Right. And that's just kind of the mantra that I live by.</p>\n<p><b>----TAG----</b></p>\n<p>JUSTICE BOLDEN MAY HAVE TO RECUSE HERSELF FROM CASES THAT COME BEFORE THE COURT IF THEY INVOLVE BILLS SHE HAS WORKED ON OR VOTED ON.</p>\n<p>AND - BECAUSE SHE WAS APPOINTED BY THE GOVERNOR SHE WILL STILL NEED TO RUN IN 2024 TO KEEP THIS SEAT ON THE MICHIGAN SUPREME COURT.</p>\n<p></p>\n<p><b>-----END-----CNN.SCRIPT-----</b></p>\n<p></p>\n<p><b>--KEYWORD TAGS--</b></p>\n<p>LEGAL DETROIT LAW COURT SUPREME RACISM BLACK HISTORY LAWYERS</p>\n<p></p>\n<p></p>

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INT BROLL MARY BARRA PRESS CONFERENCE ON GM IGNITION RECALL HEARING / HEAD ON Tuesday, April 01, 2014 TRANSCRIPT: Remarks by General Motors representative Mary Barra SLUG: 1600 MARY BARRA RS11 77 AR: 16X9 DISC#: 708 NYRS: WASH 8 16:50:58 MARY BARRA: I just -- again, as we deal with this, we know there's been a lot of lives lost and lives impacted by this situation, so first and foremost we want to reiterate that General Motors is sorry. When I say that, I say that on behalf of the company, of the men and women of General Motors, as well as myself. Second, we are doing everything we can to make sure we provide the greatest support possible to our -- to our customers. As it relates to communicating to them, we have a dedicated website. We've put more than a hundred people in our customer call center to answer their questions. We've communicated broadly that the vehicle is safe to drive based our engineering testing if you have the key or the ring. And also, if someone is uncomfortable with the vehicle, we're providing loaners or rental vehicles free of charge. We want to learn as much as we can from this situation. It's a tragic situation, but if we can learn and we can make a better process, that is our goal. We've hired Anton Valukas to do that, and we will -- he has -- there are no holds barred and -- in the investigation that he does, and we will hold ourselves accountable. And then finally, we will be transparent as we learn anything that we can bring forward that is going to be improve the safety of our vehicles and make the whole industry better. We will definitely share all those things and we will be transparent. Q: Ms. Barra -- Q: Ms. Barra -- Q: (Off mic) -- moment where Congressman Markey said that what you were describing was -- (off mic). He didn't seem to be getting the information that he needed. You say you want to be transparent, though. That doesn't sound like you made much headway in there when you have -- MS. BARRA: I -- Q: -- when the congressman is saying that -- the former chair of this committee is saying that that's -- (off mic). 16:52:30 MS. BARRA: I think people -- there's very technical engineering terms. I think the important thing for people to understand is we're going to make sure all parts and subsystems on our vehicle and the entire vehicle is safe, is meeting its performance, is meeting all the aspects that are important. That's what's important. We are holding ourselves accountable to make sure our vehicle's as safe as possible, and we have an unyielding standard. There's very specific things that relate, from an engineering specification term, that I think was misunderstood. STAFF: Right here, right here. Q: Ms. Barra, Poppy Harlow with CNN. Thank you for taking the time. You met with family members that lost loved ones yesterday. I'm wondering what you've heard from them and what you said to them in response. 16:53:06 MS. BARRA: Well, I -- this was a meeting that they asked for to get closure. I met with them. We agreed to keep the meeting private, and so I need to respect their wishes. But -- Q: But let me follow that up with one more question since you can't answer that one. STAFF: OK, just one more follow-up. Q: And that is: When you look back to 2005, GM was already starting to struggle financially. It was at junk bond status. And some are questioning whether or not GM's financial state, you believe, played into the decision not to order a recall when you knew that there was an issue. Do you believe, from what you know now, that the financial state of GM back then was a contributing factor? 16:53:42 MS. BARRA: Look, we've hired Anton Valukas to do a complete investigation. We'll learn from that. We are definitely moving to a culture that is focused on the consumer, that is focused on the customer, is focused on high quality and safety, and that's my direction and that's that's what we're doing today. Q: But considering -- STAFF: (Inaudible.) Q: Do those families and consumers deserve more specific answers from you today? There were many questions that you could not respond to. Don't they need more now from you? 16:54:05 MS. BARRA: As soon as I have the information. That's why we've launched an internal investigation. Remember, we are looking at something that happened over more than a decade, and it's a very complex situation. We need to make sure we have the facts, and we won't sacrifice accuracy for speed. When we have those -- that information, we will share with the regulators, with the legislators, with the customers. We will do that. Q: Can't you say more today? MS. BARRA: I could not. Q: Ms. Barra? Ms. Barra? STAFF: So we got down right here. Q: (Off mic) -- you were head of quality back in 2011, before that you were head of engineering. How could you have not been aware of the defect? And if you really weren't, are there other defects you're not aware of? 16:54:42 MS. BARRA: First of all, you didn't have my career byline quite correct. But I became aware of an issue that was being examined. I didn't know of the specific issue in December of '13, late December of '13. I became aware of this specific incident. On January 31st as the recall team made this decision. Q: Ma'am, to follow up on that point -- (Cross talk.) MS. BARRA: Could I -- STAFF: Hold on. Go ahead, Mary. Q: Ma'am, could you go ahead and correct your byline, please? MS. BARRA: Well, we can provide -- Chris (sp), you can provide that offline so you get the right timeline of my -- of my (qualities ?). When decisions are made, there's a technical team that goes through and makes the analysis of a situation. And it is -- in the past has specifically not been covered with senior leaders; it was done at a technical level so there was no influence. However, that was when the company had more of a cost culture than what I would say now is a quality and a customer-focused culture around safety. 16:55:30 So going forward, when we look at any incidents, they will be reviewed with Mark Reuss, who's our product chief, our executive vice president of global product development, purchasing and supply chain; and they will also be reviewed with me when I meet with Jeff Boyer on a monthly basis. So that is a change we've already had. Q: Ma'am, was customer safety not a priority before? MS. BARRA: I -- again, I know what I'm focused on today. I can't speak to -- Q: (Off mic.) STAFF: Rebecca (sp), then Charlie. Go ahead, Rebecca (sp). Q: Ms. Barra, you've been with the company now for over 30 years, at GM, yet you claim that never once did this ever crossed your desk in the last decade. What do you say to the families? How do you explain that to them? 16:56:06 MS. BARRA: Again, there's a specific group that goes though and looks at when there's an incident, a team that then brings it to a cross-functional group within the product development, and then it goes to a technical team that makes that decision. I was never a part of that process on this issue. And that -- Q: Does it anger you that a month into your job you're now having to clean up this mess? 16:56:27 MS. BARRA: It angers me that we had a situation that took over a decade to correct. And I am working day and night to make sure that we correct this issue, we learn from it and it never happens again. And I will work day and night to make that happen. Q: OK, Charlie (sp), then one more, then we're going. Go ahead, Charlie (sp). Q: (Off mic.) Q: Following up on that -- on the team that investigated, let me just follow up on that. Jim Federico, a man who worked very closely with you, who you promoted, who headed this investigation for more than a year, he was in charge of this. How did you not know about it then? Q: And if you didn't, what does that say about communications -- (off mic)? 16:57:00 MS. BARRA: Again, the way the process was worked, it kept the technical team working on that. And those issues (weren't ?) covered. We've changed that now, and I'm telling you the truth. STAFF: One more -- (inaudible). Q: (Off mic) -- never talked to you about it? STAFF: Yeah, go ahead -- (inaudible). Go, go. MS. BARRA: No, he did not. Q: You said the old culture at General Motors is "I don't know," and that's changed. Today you gave a bunch of "I don't knows." You didn't read the documents. What does that say about your ability and your team's ability to lead this company into the future? 16:57:23 MS. BARRA: Again, we are doing a complete investigation with Tony Valukas. There was a document production that was done over a very short period of time. We want to have a independent person. That's what Tony brings to the company. And he is going to do a complete investigation, and that's what I am looking for across the organization. Q: (Off mic.) MS. BARRA: Yes, they should. STAFF: OK, guys. Q: (Inaudible.) MS. BARRA: OK. Q: Going forward, what kind of latitude are you going to give Ken Feinberg? 16:57:53 MS. BARRA: Ken Feinberg, as you know, is an expert in this area. He has tremendous experience, and we are going to have our first meeting with him on Friday. And, you know, we are going to examine a wide range of opportunities and leverage his expertise. STAFF: OK. Lisa. Q: Are you releasing that investigation report when it's finished? MS. BARRA: I will share and be transparent with those items that are appropriate to share. There may be -- Q: So no? MS. BARRA: Everything that's appropriate to share, everything that's related to consumer safety, everything that's related to the customer. STAFF: Right. Thank you -- Q: Will the investigation be in written format? Will there be access -- MS. BARRA: I -- that has not been determined yet. Q: (Off mic.) STAFF: OK, that's it. Thanks, Mary. Thanks guys. Q: Thank you. General Motors CEO Mary Barra spoke with reporters and answered questions following her testimony before a House Energy and Commerce Subcommittee on Oversight and Investigations hearing.

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INT BROLL MARY BARRA PRESS CONFERENCE ON GM IGNITION RECALL HEARING / CUTS / INT W/ FAMILY OF GM FAILURE VICTIM Tuesday, April 01, 2014 TRANSCRIPT: Remarks by General Motors representative Mary Barra SLUG: 1600 MARY BARRA RS11 77 AR: 16X9 DISC#: 708 NYRS: WASH 8 16:50:58 MARY BARRA: I just -- again, as we deal with this, we know there's been a lot of lives lost and lives impacted by this situation, so first and foremost we want to reiterate that General Motors is sorry. When I say that, I say that on behalf of the company, of the men and women of General Motors, as well as myself. Second, we are doing everything we can to make sure we provide the greatest support possible to our -- to our customers. As it relates to communicating to them, we have a dedicated website. We've put more than a hundred people in our customer call center to answer their questions. We've communicated broadly that the vehicle is safe to drive based our engineering testing if you have the key or the ring. And also, if someone is uncomfortable with the vehicle, we're providing loaners or rental vehicles free of charge. We want to learn as much as we can from this situation. It's a tragic situation, but if we can learn and we can make a better process, that is our goal. We've hired Anton Valukas to do that, and we will -- he has -- there are no holds barred and -- in the investigation that he does, and we will hold ourselves accountable. And then finally, we will be transparent as we learn anything that we can bring forward that is going to be improve the safety of our vehicles and make the whole industry better. We will definitely share all those things and we will be transparent. Q: Ms. Barra -- Q: Ms. Barra -- Q: (Off mic) -- moment where Congressman Markey said that what you were describing was -- (off mic). He didn't seem to be getting the information that he needed. You say you want to be transparent, though. That doesn't sound like you made much headway in there when you have -- MS. BARRA: I -- Q: -- when the congressman is saying that -- the former chair of this committee is saying that that's -- (off mic). 16:52:30 MS. BARRA: I think people -- there's very technical engineering terms. I think the important thing for people to understand is we're going to make sure all parts and subsystems on our vehicle and the entire vehicle is safe, is meeting its performance, is meeting all the aspects that are important. That's what's important. We are holding ourselves accountable to make sure our vehicle's as safe as possible, and we have an unyielding standard. There's very specific things that relate, from an engineering specification term, that I think was misunderstood. STAFF: Right here, right here. Q: Ms. Barra, Poppy Harlow with CNN. Thank you for taking the time. You met with family members that lost loved ones yesterday. I'm wondering what you've heard from them and what you said to them in response. 16:53:06 MS. BARRA: Well, I -- this was a meeting that they asked for to get closure. I met with them. We agreed to keep the meeting private, and so I need to respect their wishes. But -- Q: But let me follow that up with one more question since you can't answer that one. STAFF: OK, just one more follow-up. Q: And that is: When you look back to 2005, GM was already starting to struggle financially. It was at junk bond status. And some are questioning whether or not GM's financial state, you believe, played into the decision not to order a recall when you knew that there was an issue. Do you believe, from what you know now, that the financial state of GM back then was a contributing factor? 16:53:42 MS. BARRA: Look, we've hired Anton Valukas to do a complete investigation. We'll learn from that. We are definitely moving to a culture that is focused on the consumer, that is focused on the customer, is focused on high quality and safety, and that's my direction and that's that's what we're doing today. Q: But considering -- STAFF: (Inaudible.) Q: Do those families and consumers deserve more specific answers from you today? There were many questions that you could not respond to. Don't they need more now from you? 16:54:05 MS. BARRA: As soon as I have the information. That's why we've launched an internal investigation. Remember, we are looking at something that happened over more than a decade, and it's a very complex situation. We need to make sure we have the facts, and we won't sacrifice accuracy for speed. When we have those -- that information, we will share with the regulators, with the legislators, with the customers. We will do that. Q: Can't you say more today? MS. BARRA: I could not. Q: Ms. Barra? Ms. Barra? STAFF: So we got down right here. Q: (Off mic) -- you were head of quality back in 2011, before that you were head of engineering. How could you have not been aware of the defect? And if you really weren't, are there other defects you're not aware of? 16:54:42 MS. BARRA: First of all, you didn't have my career byline quite correct. But I became aware of an issue that was being examined. I didn't know of the specific issue in December of '13, late December of '13. I became aware of this specific incident. On January 31st as the recall team made this decision. Q: Ma'am, to follow up on that point -- (Cross talk.) MS. BARRA: Could I -- STAFF: Hold on. Go ahead, Mary. Q: Ma'am, could you go ahead and correct your byline, please? MS. BARRA: Well, we can provide -- Chris (sp), you can provide that offline so you get the right timeline of my -- of my (qualities ?). When decisions are made, there's a technical team that goes through and makes the analysis of a situation. And it is -- in the past has specifically not been covered with senior leaders; it was done at a technical level so there was no influence. However, that was when the company had more of a cost culture than what I would say now is a quality and a customer-focused culture around safety. 16:55:30 So going forward, when we look at any incidents, they will be reviewed with Mark Reuss, who's our product chief, our executive vice president of global product development, purchasing and supply chain; and they will also be reviewed with me when I meet with Jeff Boyer on a monthly basis. So that is a change we've already had. Q: Ma'am, was customer safety not a priority before? MS. BARRA: I -- again, I know what I'm focused on today. I can't speak to -- Q: (Off mic.) STAFF: Rebecca (sp), then Charlie. Go ahead, Rebecca (sp). Q: Ms. Barra, you've been with the company now for over 30 years, at GM, yet you claim that never once did this ever crossed your desk in the last decade. What do you say to the families? How do you explain that to them? 16:56:06 MS. BARRA: Again, there's a specific group that goes though and looks at when there's an incident, a team that then brings it to a cross-functional group within the product development, and then it goes to a technical team that makes that decision. I was never a part of that process on this issue. And that -- Q: Does it anger you that a month into your job you're now having to clean up this mess? 16:56:27 MS. BARRA: It angers me that we had a situation that took over a decade to correct. And I am working day and night to make sure that we correct this issue, we learn from it and it never happens again. And I will work day and night to make that happen. Q: OK, Charlie (sp), then one more, then we're going. Go ahead, Charlie (sp). Q: (Off mic.) Q: Following up on that -- on the team that investigated, let me just follow up on that. Jim Federico, a man who worked very closely with you, who you promoted, who headed this investigation for more than a year, he was in charge of this. How did you not know about it then? Q: And if you didn't, what does that say about communications -- (off mic)? 16:57:00 MS. BARRA: Again, the way the process was worked, it kept the technical team working on that. And those issues (weren't ?) covered. We've changed that now, and I'm telling you the truth. STAFF: One more -- (inaudible). Q: (Off mic) -- never talked to you about it? STAFF: Yeah, go ahead -- (inaudible). Go, go. MS. BARRA: No, he did not. Q: You said the old culture at General Motors is "I don't know," and that's changed. Today you gave a bunch of "I don't knows." You didn't read the documents. What does that say about your ability and your team's ability to lead this company into the future? 16:57:23 MS. BARRA: Again, we are doing a complete investigation with Tony Valukas. There was a document production that was done over a very short period of time. We want to have a independent person. That's what Tony brings to the company. And he is going to do a complete investigation, and that's what I am looking for across the organization. Q: (Off mic.) MS. BARRA: Yes, they should. STAFF: OK, guys. Q: (Inaudible.) MS. BARRA: OK. Q: Going forward, what kind of latitude are you going to give Ken Feinberg? 16:57:53 MS. BARRA: Ken Feinberg, as you know, is an expert in this area. He has tremendous experience, and we are going to have our first meeting with him on Friday. And, you know, we are going to examine a wide range of opportunities and leverage his expertise. STAFF: OK. Lisa. Q: Are you releasing that investigation report when it's finished? MS. BARRA: I will share and be transparent with those items that are appropriate to share. There may be -- Q: So no? MS. BARRA: Everything that's appropriate to share, everything that's related to consumer safety, everything that's related to the customer. STAFF: Right. Thank you -- Q: Will the investigation be in written format? Will there be access -- MS. BARRA: I -- that has not been determined yet. Q: (Off mic.) STAFF: OK, that's it. Thanks, Mary. Thanks guys. Q: Thank you. General Motors CEO Mary Barra spoke with reporters and answered questions following her testimony before a House Energy and Commerce Subcommittee on Oversight and Investigations hearing.

VALERIE PLAME House Oversight and Government Reform Committee holds a hearing with Valerie Plame Wilson, Mark Zaid, attorney and Victoria Toensing. Also, Dr, James Knodell the Director of the Office of Security, the White House has been invited to attend 11:00:00 COVERT. " THERE WAS NO DOUBT ABOUT IT. 11:00:02 BY THE WAY, THE C.I.A. HAS AUTHORIZED US TO BE ABLE TO SAY 11:00:08 THAT. AND I UNDER THAT CHAIRMAN 11:00:12 WAXMAN SENT HIS OPENING STATEMENT OVER TO THE C.I.A. TO 11:00:15 BE CLEARED AND IN IT HE SAID MISS WILL SOP WAS A COVERT, AND 11:00:22 MISS WILSON WAS UNDER COVER. THE C.I.A. CLEARED THESE 11:00:27 STATEMENTS. I EMPHASIZE THIS, BECAUSE THERE 11:00:29 ARE PEOPLE STILL TRYING TO SUGGEST THAT WHAT SEEMS 11:00:34 ABSOLUTELY CLEAR ISN'T REALLY TRUE AND YOU WEREN'T COVERT. 11:00:37 I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS WE NEED TO DO IN THIS HEARING IS 11:00:41 MAKE SURE THERE ISN'T ANY AMBIGUITY ON THIS POINT. 11:00:45 . . 11:01:21 YOU WERE A COVERT CIA EMPLOYEE, AND WITHIN THE PAST FIVE YEARS 11:01:25 FROM TODAY YOU WENT ON SECRET MISSIONS OUTSIDE THE UNITED 11:01:30 STATES. IS THAT CORRECT? 11:01:31 >> THAT IS CORRECT, CONGRESSMAN. >> I WANT TO THANK YOU AND I 11:01:35 HOPE THIS COMMITTEE NOW CLEARED UP THE ISSUE OF COVERT, WHETHER 11:01:38 THIS PLAME WAS A -- MRS. PLAME WAS A COVERT AGENT. 11:01:46 I YIELD BACK. >> THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. 11:01:48 I AM GLAD MR. CONYERS ASKED THESE QUESTIONS BECAUSE I WAS ON 11:01:52 TO ASK THEM, TOO. MISS WILSON, I WANT TO THANK YOU 11:01:56 FOR YOUR SERVICE TO OUR COUNTRY, AND IF I SEEM OF LITTLE NERVOUS, 11:02:00 I'VE NEVER QUESTIONED A SPY BEFORE. 11:02:05 >> I'VE NEVER TESTIFIED BEFORE. >> I'M SORRY? 11:02:09 >> I NEVER TESTIFIED UNDER OATH BEFORE. 11:02:12 I WAS HERE DURING THE STEROID HEARINGS, TOO, AND I DO NOT 11:02:15 THINK ANY OF THE BASEBALL STARS GOT THE MEDIA ATTENTION YOU ARE 11:02:19 GETTING TODAY. WHEN THE CHAIRMAN HAS HIS 11:02:23 OPENING STATEMENT HE USED THREE TERMS -- COVERT, UNDER COVER, 11:02:27 AND CLASSIFIED. WERE YOU ONE OF THOSE IN 11:02:31 PARTICULAR OR ALL OF THEM OR THREE DIFFERENT TERMS TO 11:02:36 CATEGORIZE I GUESS YOUR SERVICE TO THE COUNTRY? 11:02:38 >> FOR THOSE OF US WHO WORK UNDER COVER IN THE CIA WE TENDED 11:02:45 TO USE COVERT AND UNDERCOVER INTERCHANGEABLY. 11:02:49 WE TYPICALLY WOULD NOT SAY OF OURSELVES THAT WE WERE IN A 11:02:54 CLASSIFIED POSITION. WE WERE UNDER COVER OR OVER 11:02:59 EMPLOYEE. >> DID YOU JUST DISCUSSED THIS 11:03:01 AMONG YOURSELVES WITH YOU WERE CLASSIFIED OR COVERT -- BECAUSE 11:03:05 I AM ASSUMING YOU COULD NOT DISCUSS IT WITH ANYONE OUTSIDE 11:03:08 THE AGENCY. IS IT AROUND THE BREAK ROOM 11:03:12 WHERE YOU SAY I AM COVERT OR CLASSIFIED, OR IF I WAS GOING 11:03:15 TO TELL SOMEBODY, WHAT I WOULD TELL SOMEBODY? 11:03:17 >> WITHIN YOUR COLLEAGUES EITHER WITHIN THE FIELD OR IN 11:03:22 HEADQUARTERS IN WASHINGTON, IF YOU WERE WORKING ON A PROJECT 11:03:26 SOMETIMES YOU NEED TO KNOW IF YOU ARE UNDERCOVER OR OVERT, LET 11:03:29 ME KNOW, THEN YOU KNOW HOW TO TREAT THEM ACCORDINGLY IN THE 11:03:33 SENSE OF HOW CAREFUL TO BE IN YOUR ASSOCIATION AND SO FORTH. 11:03:37 >> RIGHT, SO YOUR FELLOW CIA EMPLOYEES WOULD HAVE KNOWN THAT 11:03:42 YOU WERE COVERT. >> ABSOLUTELY. 11:03:44 >> DID YOU EVER TELL ANYONE THAT YOU WORKED FOR THE CIA, OR WAS 11:03:52 THAT COMMONLY KNOWN THAT YOU WORKED FOR THE CIA OR DID YOU 11:03:55 TELL THEM THAT YOU WERE SOMETHING ELSE? 11:03:58 >> NO, CONGRESSMAN, I COULD COUNT ON ONE HAND THE NUMBER OF 11:04:05 PEOPLE WHO KNEW WHERE MY TRUE EMPLOYER WAS THE DAY MY NAME AND 11:04:12 TRUE AFFILIATION WAS EXPOSED IN JULY OF 2003. 11:04:15 >> OK. AND I AM ASSUMING ONE OF THOSE 11:04:20 WAS YOUR HUSBAND. >> HE DID KNOW. 11:04:23 >> DID HE KNOW IF YOU WERE COVERT OR CLASSIFIED OR -- 11:04:27 >> HE DID UNDERSTAND. AS A FORMER AMBASSADOR AT 11:04:35 HAVING HELD SECURITY CLEARANCES AND WORKED WITH MANY AGENCY 11:04:40 EMPLOYEES, HE UNDERSTOOD THAT WORLD TO A CERTAIN POINT AND HE 11:04:42 CERTAINLY UNDERSTOOD BUT I WAS UNDERCOVER AND HE PROTECTED 11:04:46 THAT -- THAT I WAS UNDERCOVER AND SHE PROTECTED THAT 11:04:50 DILIGENTLY. >> ARE WE GOING TO HAVE ANOTHER 11:04:53 ROUND OF QUESTIONS, MR. WAXMAN, I THINK? 11:04:57 >> WE DO HAVE SOME OTHER PANELS. >> HOW MUCH TIME? 11:05:04 >> ONE MINUTE AND 48 SECONDS. >> OK. 11:05:09 ON OCTOBER 5, 2003, WHILE BEING INTERVIEWED ON MEET THE PRESS 11:05:16 YOUR HUSBAND STATED THAT MY WIFE WILL NOT ALLOW HERSELF TO BE 11:05:20 PHOTOGRAPHED. IN RESPONSE TO THE PICTURE YOU 11:05:22 TOOK FOR VANITY FAIR YOUR HUSBAND WAS QUOTED IN THE 11:05:26 WASHINGTON POST, THE PICTURE SHOULD NOT BE ABLE TO A IDENTIFY 11:05:29 HER AND ARE NOT SUPPOSED TO, SHE IS STILL AND VOID BY THE CIA AND 11:05:34 HAS OBLIGATIONS TO HER EMPLOYER -- EMPLOYED BY THE CIA. 11:05:37 I GUESS THIS WAS AFTER THE INCIDENT WHERE EVERYBODY KNEW 11:05:41 THAT YOU WORKED FOR THE CIA, THAT THIS WAS DONE? 11:05:44 >> YES, CONGRESSMAN. AT THE TIME THAT PICTURE CAME 11:05:48 OUT MY COVERT STATUS WAS LONG GONE AND I WILL SAY THIS, HAVING 11:05:54 LIVED MOST OF MY LIFE A VERY MUCH UNDER THE RADAR, MY 11:05:58 LEARNING CURVE WAS STEEP AND IT WAS MORE TROUBLE THAN IT WAS 11:06:01 WORTH. >> BUT WHEN THE PHOTOGRAPH WAS 11:06:05 ACTUALLY TAKEN IN VANITY FAIR, THAT WAS NOT PUBLIC KNOWLEDGE, 11:06:11 ALL THIS WAS NOT OUT OF THEM? >> CONGRESSMEN, THE PICTURE CAME 11:06:15 OUT IN LATE 2003, MY COVERT STATUS WAS BLOWN. 11:06:22 >> IF YOUR STATUS WAS EITHER COVERT AND CLASSIFIED AND IF YOU 11:06:26 DID IN FACT MEET WITH THE SENATE DEMOCRATIC POLICY COMMITTEE, MR. 11:06:32 CHRISTOPH, IF YOU VIEW IT AS PART OF YOUR COVERT OR 11:06:35 CLASSIFIED WORK TO MEET WITH POLITICAL GROUPS AND A COLUMNIST 11:06:40 WITH THE THE NEW YORK TIMES TO DISCUSS MATTERS WITHIN YOUR 11:06:43 PURVIEW AT THE CIA -- I DON'T KNOW IF YOU SAW THE LIST OF 11:06:49 THINGS THAT WE COULD OR COULD NOT ASK YOU. 11:06:55 DID THIS DEMOCRATIC POLICY COMMITTEE AND A COLUMNIST THE 11:07:02 NEW YORK TIMES HAVE OF THESE SAME RULES THAT THEY COULD OR 11:07:05 COULD NOT ASK YOU OR DID YOU VOLUNTEER OTHER INFORMATION? 11:07:08 >> CONGRESSMEN, I ATTENDED THAT CONFERENCE SIMPLY AS A SPOUSE OF 11:07:16 MY HUSBAND WHO WAS INVITED TO SPEAK. 11:07:18 HE HAD BEEN INVITED TO SPEAK BECAUSE HE HAD QUITE A BIT OF 11:07:23 EXPERIENCE ON IRAQ HAVING SERVED THE FIRST PRESIDENT BUSH AS THE 11:07:28 CHARGES AFFAIRS IN THE EMBASSY OF BAGHDAD AND A GOOD SHOOTER 11:07:34 RELEASES -- HOSTAGES WITH SADDAM HUSSEIN AND SO FORTH. 11:07:38 HE WAS ASKED TO ATTEND IN THAT CAPACITY. 11:07:42 I HAD NO DISCUSSIONS OTHER THAN PURELY SOCIAL IN NATURE. 11:07:48 >> YOUR TIME IS EXPIRED. MR. KUCINICH? 11:07:53 >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MISS WILSON, AND BEFORE YOUR SERVICE 11:07:58 TO OUR COUNTRY. -- FRANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE 11:08:02 TO OUR COUNTRY. BRIEFLY WENT TO PICK UP ON MY 11:08:07 COLLEAGUE'S QUESTIONS. WHEN YOU LOOK AT THIS CHART AND 11:08:14 YOU SEE THE EXTRAORDINARY EFFORTS THAT WERE MADE TO 11:08:20 DISCLOSE YOUR IDENTITY, -- AND MOST OF THIS INFORMATION CAME 11:08:28 OUT OF THE LEAD TRIAL, THE -- LIBBY TRIAL. 11:08:37 THIS WAS NOT JUST A LEAK, WAS IT? 11:08:40 WAS THIS SIMPLY A LEAK? >> QUITE A BIT OF EVIDENCE CAME 11:08:48 OUT IN THE COURSE OF THE LIBBY TRIAL, AND I WAS REALLY DEEPLY 11:08:53 DISMAYED BECAUSE IT JUST SHOWED A RECKLESSNESS AND A POLITICAL 11:09:02 PATH THAT IS VERY, VERY UNFORTUNATE. 11:09:05 >> IN YOUR JUDGMENT WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE CHART DOESN'T SHOW A 11:09:08 VERY -- A FAIRLY ORGANIZED APPROACH TO DISCLOSE OR A 11:09:13 DEVOTEE? >> IT IS CERTAINLY WIDE 11:09:14 REACHING. >> BECAUSE, MR. CHAIRMAN, DO 11:09:20 LEAKS OCCUR OF AGENTS IDENTITY, IT DOES HAPPEN? 11:09:26 -- I'M SORRY, CONGRESSMAN? >> HAVE THERE BEEN IN THE PAST 11:09:31 LEAKS OF AN AGENT'S IDENTITY? >> NONE THAT I AM A BEAR -- 11:09:37 AWARE OF BY THE VERY OWN GOVERNMENT. 11:09:40 >> AND YOU HAVE NEVER IN YOUR EXPERIENCE AS AN AGENT SEEN THIS 11:09:43 KIND OF COORDINATED EFFORT TO BUY ONE ON GOVERNMENT COME IN 11:09:47 THIS CASE, OUR GOVERNMENT, TO DISCLOSE THE IDENTITY OF AN 11:09:51 AGENT? >> NO, CONGRESSMAN, I AM NOT 11:09:54 AWARE OF AN. >> TO WHAT EXTENT DOES THE 11:09:57 AGENCY GO TO PROTECT THE IDENTITIES OF WHICH -- ITS 11:10:01 AGENTS? >> IS SIGNIFICANT EFFORT. 11:10:06 TAXPAYERS' MONEY. PARTICULARLY IN THIS DAY AND AGE 11:10:12 OF GOOGLED AND INTERNET THE EFFORTS HAVE TO BE EVEN MORE 11:10:17 VIGILANT AND EVER MORE CREATIVE BECAUSE IT IS EXTREMELY EASY TO 11:10:21 FIND OUT A LOT OF INFORMATION ABOUT SOMEONE IF YOU REALLY WANT 11:10:24 TO. SO, WE ARE CONSTANTLY -- THE CIA 11:10:29 CONSTANTLY HAS TO BE ONE STEP AHEAD TO PROTECT THEIR 11:10:33 OPERATIONS OFFICERS. >> SO, WHEN THERE IS AN 11:10:37 EXTRAORDINARY EFFORT MADE TO DISCLOSE THE IDENTITY OF AN 11:10:41 AGENT, IS DESTRUCTIVE OF THE AGENCY AND IT IS DESTRUCTIVE OF 11:10:46 THE TAXPAYERS' INVESTMENT IN THE CENTRAL INTELLIGENCE AGENCY. 11:10:49 >> ABSOLUTELY. >> AND, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT 11:10:53 KEEPS RUNNING THROUGH MY MIND IS WHY? 11:10:56 WHY DID THIS HAPPEN TO YOU? WAS IT AN UNINTENTIONAL MISTAKE 11:11:00 OR IS IT PART OF A LARGER PATTERN? 11:11:03 IN RECENT WEEKS WE HAVE LEARNED THAT YOU AS ATTORNEYS AND ALL 11:11:06 PARTS OF THE COUNTRY WERE FIRED DESPITE ITS SOME THREE SERVICE 11:11:09 AND SEVERAL OF THESE TESTIFIED TO CONGRESS THAT THERE WAS THE 11:11:14 IMPRESSION TO PURSUE CASES AGAINST DEMOCRATIC OFFICIALS, 11:11:17 OTHERS BELIEVE THAT THEY WERE FIRED BECAUSE THEY WERE PURSUING 11:11:19 CASES AGAINST REPUBLICAN OFFICIALS. 11:11:21 HAVE YOU FOLLOW THIS? >> YES, I HAVE, CONGRESSMAN. 11:11:27 >> WHEN I THINK WHAT HAPPENS TO THESE ATTORNEYS I CAN'T HELP BUT 11:11:30 THINK OF YOUR CASE BECAUSE THESE COULD BE ISOLATED INSTANCES BUT 11:11:34 THEY SEEM TO BE PART OF A LARGER PATTERN. 11:11:36 DO YOU KNOW WHAT HAPPENED, FOR EXAMPLE, WITH FORMER TREASURY 11:11:39 SECRETARY MR. O'NEILL WHEN HE WROTE HIS BOOK? 11:11:41 >> YES, I AM AWARE OF THAT. >> AND AFTER SECRETARY O'NEILL 11:11:46 WROTE THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION WAS PLANNING TO OVERTHROW SADDAM 11:11:49 HUSSEIN IN A MUCH EARLIER TIME FRAME THAN ANYONE KNEW, 11:11:52 SECRETARY O'NEILL WAS FALSELY ACCUSED OF LEAKING CLASSIFIED 11:11:56 INFORMATION. DID YOU KNOW THAT SECRETARY 11:11:58 O'NEILL WAS INVESTIGATED BY THE TREASURY DEPARTMENT FOR CROWN 11:12:02 THIS ACCUSATION? >> I BELIEVE I HAVE READ THAT, 11:12:05 YES. >> AND ANOTHER INSTANCE GENERAL 11:12:09 XU ZAGACKI -- LOOKED AT THE U.S. WOULD BE SEVERAL THOUSAND TROOPS 11:12:12 IN IRAQ. YOU REMEMBER WHAT HAPPENED TO 11:12:13 HIM? >> YES, I DO, CONGRESSMAN. 11:12:16 >> HE WAS DISMISSED. >> I AM ALSO REMINDED OF THE 11:12:20 CASE OF RICHARD FOSTER, THE GOVERNMENT'S CHIEF MEDICARE 11:12:23 ACTUARY WHO WAS -- TOLD CONGRESS THE TRUTH ABOUT HOW MUCH THE 11:12:29 ADMINISTRATION'S PROPOSED DRUG BENEFIT WOULD COAST -- COSTS. 11:12:32 YOU'RE AWARE OF THAT, MISS WILSON? 11:12:34 >> YES, I AM. >> AGAIN, THESE ALL BE ISOLATED 11:12:38 INSTANCES BUT IT SEEMS TO BE PART OF A LARGER PATTERN. 11:12:41 I AM STRUCK BY WHAT YOUR HUSBAND, JOE WILSON, WAS QUOTED 11:12:46 IN A BOOK. JOLSON WAS UPSET AND REGARDED 11:12:51 THE LEAGUE AS A WARNING TO OTHERS. 11:12:53 STORES LIKE THIS ARE NOT INTENDED TO INTIMIDATE ME SINCE 11:12:55 I OF OUR CRITICAL MY STORY. BUT IT IS PRETTY CLEARLY 11:12:59 INTENDED TO INTIMIDATE OTHERS WHO MIGHT GO FORWARD. 11:13:02 YOU NEED ONLY TO LOOK AT THE STORIES INTELLIGENCE ANALYSTS 11:13:06 WHO SAY THEY HAVE BEEN PRESSURED. 11:13:09 THEY MAY HAVE KIDS IN COLLEGE, MAYBE ALL MOBILE TO THESE TYPES 11:13:12 OF SENIORS. IS THIS WHAT YOU THINK WAS GOING 11:13:13 ON HERE? >> WHEN YOU LOOK AT -- I WILL 11:13:18 SPEAK ONLY TO THE REALM OF INTELLIGENCE AND THE 11:13:24 POLITICIZING OF THAT, CERTAINLY VICE PRESIDENT CHENEY'S 11:13:27 UNPRECEDENTED NUMBER OF VISITS TO CIA HEADQUARTERS IN THE RUN- 11:13:30 UP TO THE WAR MIGHT BE ONE EXAMPLE. 11:13:32 THE LAW THAT IS EXACTLY THE POINT. 11:13:36 -- THAT IS EXACTLY THE POINT. WHAT HAPPENS WHEN SOMEONE IS 11:13:41 WORKING AT THE AGENCY LEVEL THAT PEOPLE WORKING -- THE VICE 11:13:47 PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES COMES OVER AND STARTS LOOKING 11:13:48 OVER THEIR SHOULDER. IS THAT INTIMIDATING? 11:13:51 >> YES, IT IS. >> MR. KUCINICH, YOUR TIME HAS 11:13:56 EXPIRED. >> MISS WATSON? 11:13:58 >> MR. CHAIRMAN, I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR THIS HEARING. 11:14:06 IT SHOWS OUR DETERMINATION TO BRING OUT INTO THE OPEN THE 11:14:11 MALFEASANCE IN OFFICE. I AM AND AMBASSADOR. 11:14:17 I HAVE GONE THROUGH THE TRAINING. 11:14:20 I HAVE BEEN BLINDFOLDED, PUT ON A C-130, TAKEN TO A SITE, TAKEN 11:14:26 INTO A ROOM WITH MY COLLEAGUES, JUST LIKE -- HANDED A RED 11:14:35 FOLDER, HIGHLY CLASSIFIED WITH A GENERAL STANDING OVER MY 11:14:39 SHOULDER. READ IT, AND GIVEN BACK TO ME. 11:14:44 ANY INFORMATION THAT CAME OUT OF THAT TOTAL WAS MADE PUBLIC BUT 11:14:48 HAD TO COME FROM TWO SOURCES -- THE GENERAL ON MYSELF. 11:14:53 I WAS THE ONLY WOMAN IN THE ROOM. 11:14:55 THE MEN -- I CAN TELL YOU BUT I WILL HAVE TO KILL YOU. 11:15:01 I AM VERY SENSITIVE TO HOW IT WORKS. 11:15:04 AND I AM FURIOUS THAT YOUR CLASSIFIED INFORMATION WAS -- 11:15:13 OF ALL PEOPLE. I AM GOING TO GUESS YOU SOME 11:15:18 QUESTIONS. THEY MIGHT APPEAR TO BE 11:15:21 REPETITIVE. BUT YOU ARE SWORN AND I WANT 11:15:25 THIS FOR THE RECORD. SPECIAL PROSECUTOR PATRICK 11:15:29 FITZGERALD FOUND THAT AT THE TIME OF ROBERT NOVAK'S JULY 14, 11:15:37 2003,, YOUR EMPLOYMENT STATUS WAS CLASSIFIED. 11:15:43 AND YOUR AFFILIATION WITH THE CIA WAS NOT COMMON KNOWLEDGE 11:15:48 OUTSIDE THE INTELLIGENCE COMMUNITY. 11:15:51 THE CIA HAS CONFIRMED TO THIS COMMITTEE THAT AT THE TIME OF 11:15:55 MR. NOVAK ARTICLE YOUR EMPLOYMENT STATUS WAS COVERT AND 11:16:02 THAT INFORMATION WAS CLASSIFIED. BUT SOME PEOPLE ARE STILL 11:16:06 TRYING TO MINIMIZE YOUR SERVICE BY SUGGESTING YOU REALLY WEREN'T 11:16:11 AT RISK AND THAT YOUR POSITION WAS NOT CLASSIFIED BECAUSE YOU 11:16:18 WORKED AT A DESK JOB. AT THE CIA HEADQUARTERS AT 11:16:23 LANGLEY, VIRGINIA. LET ME GIVE YOU AN ACTUAL 11:16:28 EXAMPLE. REPRESENTATIVE WARNED IT BLUNT 11:16:32 SAID IT WON THE TELEVISION PROGRAM "FACE OF THE NATION -- 11:16:36 ROY BLUNT -- >> -- "THIS IS A JOB THE AMBASSADORS WENT TO 11:16:46 EVERY DAY, THIS WAS A DESK JOB." I THINK MANY PEOPLE IN 11:16:50 WASHINGTON UNDERSTOOD THAT HURT EMPLOYMENT WAS AT THE CIA AND 11:16:55 SHE WENT TO THAT OFFICE EVERY DAY. 11:17:00 MRS. WILSON, IS IT FAIR TO SAY THAT BASED ON YOUR SERVICE FOR 11:17:05 OUR GOVERNMENT, YOU ARE WELL VERSED IN THE RULES GOVERNING 11:17:10 THE HANDLING OF CLAIFIED INFORMATION. 11:17:13 >> ABSOLUTELY, CONGRESSWOMAN. AND I'D LIKE TO JUST ADD THAT 11:17:20 WENT OPERATIONS OFFICER, WHETHER THEY ARE POSTED ON THE FIELD OR 11:17:23 BACK AT HEADQUARTERS, WE ARE GIVEN TRAINING TO UNDERSTAND 11:17:27 SURVEILLANCE DETECTED IN -- DETECTION TRAINING SO THAT WE 11:17:31 UNDERSTAND VERY CAREFULLY THAT WE ARE NOT BEING FOLLOWED AND 11:17:38 THAT WE FEEL VERY COMFORTABLE THAT OUR STATUS WOULD BE 11:17:41 PROTECTED. >> THAT IS THE REASON WHY I 11:17:43 STARTED OFF WITH MY OWN SCENARIO. 11:17:46 IS IT YOUR UNDERSTANDING THAT THE EXECUTIVE ORDER GOVERNING 11:17:51 THE SAFEGUARDING OF CLASSIFIED INFORMATION PROHIBITS THE 11:17:55 DISCLOSURE OF CLASSIFIED INFORMATION TO PERSONS WHO ARE 11:17:59 NOT AUTHORIZED TO RECEIVE THIS INFORMATION. 11:18:03 >> YES, CORRECT. >> YES IS THE ANSWER. 11:18:07 >> YES, CONGRESSWOMAN. >> AND IS IT YOUR UNDERSTANDING 11:18:12 THAT WHILE AN EMPLOYEE EX-CIA IS UNDER COVER OF THAT INDIVIDUAL'S 11:18:16 EMPLOYMENT STATUS AT THE CIA IS CONSIDERED CLASSIFIED 11:18:20 INFORMATION -- EMPLOYMENT AT THE CIA IS UNDER COVER. 11:18:24 ARE YOU AWARE OF ANY DESK JOB ACCEPTANCE OF THE RULES 11:18:29 PROHIBITING THE RELEASE OF CLASSIFIED INFORMATION ONE OF 11:18:32 THE EMPLOYMENT STATUS OF A SEAT BY A OF FOR YOU? 11:18:36 >> NO, CONGRESSMAN -- CONGRESSMAN. 11:18:41 >> SO I THINK YOUR TESTIMONY UNDERSCORES THAT THE ATTEMPT TO 11:18:47 MINIMIZE THE SIGNIFICANCE OF THE DISCLOSURE OF YOUR EMPLOYMENT 11:18:50 SYSTEM -- STATUS ARE IN AFFECT MINIMIZING THE IMPORTANCE OF THE 11:18:55 CLASSIFIED INFORMATION RULES DESIGNED TO PROTECT OUR NATIONAL 11:19:01 SECURITY. AND I AM INFURIATED TO CONTINUE 11:19:09 TO HEAR SHE DOES HAVE A DESK JOB BECAUSE I UNDERSTAND, I HAVE 11:19:12 BEEN THERE, I HAVE HAD THE TRAINING, AND I WANT TO FINE 11:19:16 TUNE KHANSON SIRLEAF THE WORK THAT YOU HAVE DONE -- THANK YOU 11:19:20 SINCERELY FOR THE WORK YOU HAVE DONE WHAT PROTECTION, HOMELAND 11:19:24 SECURITY, AND SHOWING A LOW FOR THIS COUNTRY. 11:19:27 THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU, CONGRESSMAN. 11:19:30 >> MR. LYNCH? >> THANK YOU. 11:19:34 FIRST OF ALL, I WANT TO THANK YOU, MRS. PLAME -- MRS. PLAME 11:19:39 FOR COMING TO THE COMMITTEE AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR WORK. 11:19:41 I HAVE TO SAY, THIS HEARING HAS BEEN A LONG TIME COMING. 11:19:45 THE CHAIRMAN AND I AND MEMBERS OF THIS COMMITTEE HAVE SIGNED A 11:19:49 FIVE OR SIX REQUEST OVER THE LAST FOUR YEARS TO GET YOU 11:19:51 BEFORE US AND TO GET TO THE BOTTOM OF THIS. 11:19:56 WHAT HAS HAPPENED TO YOU AT LEAST CAN BE TAKEN IN A WIDER 11:20:01 CONTEXT NOW -- THE TAV ON MAJOR ISSUES ARE, NUMBER ONE, THE 11:20:08 PROCESS BY WHICH CONGRESS RECEIVES INFORMATION RELATIVE TO 11:20:12 NATIONAL SECURITY. AS YOU KNOW, YOUR OUTING IF YOU 11:20:18 WILL OR DISCLOSURE OF COVERT STATUS WAS, I THINK, A 11:20:23 DELIBERATE ATTEMPT TO DISCOUNT THE STATEMENTS OF YOUR HUSBAND 11:20:27 WITH RESPECT TO THE SUPPOSED ATTEMPT BY SADDAM HUSSEIN TO 11:20:32 PURCHASE URANIUM OR PLUTONIUM N ORIGER. 11:20:39 -- THROUGH NIGER. EVIDENTLY IN THIS CHARTER 20 11:20:47 OCCASIONS IN WHICH PEOPLE DELIBERATELY, I THINK, 11:20:52 ATTEMPTED TO DESTROY YOUR CREDIBILITY AND ALSO TO IT 11:20:58 DESTROYED YOUR EFFECTIVENESS WITHIN THE ORGANIZATION, WITHIN 11:21:00 THE CIA. I KNOW YOU HAVE BEEN CAREFUL 11:21:05 WITH YOUR WORDS. ONCE OR TWICE MIGHT BE CARELESS, 11:21:09 FIVE OR SIX MIKE RECKLESS, BUT 20 TIMES, I'LL SAY IT, 20 11:21:14 TIMES IS A DELIBERATE ATTEMPT TO DESTROY YOUR STATUS AS A COVERT 11:21:19 AGENT. AND THE ONLY OTHER MAJOR CASE IN 11:21:22 WHICH WE HAVE HAD THE ACCOUNTING OF A CIA AGENTS, THE SUPREME 11:21:28 COURT SAID IT IS OBVIOUS AND INARGUABLE THAT NO GOVERNMENTAL 11:21:33 INTEREST IS MORE COMPELLING THAN THE SECURITY OF THE NATION. 11:21:38 GOING TO THOSE COUPLE OF ISSUES, FIRST OF ALL, THE INTEGRITY OF 11:21:47 THE PROCESS BY WHICH WE GET OUR INFORMATION WAS AFFECTED 11:21:50 GREATLY, I THINK, IN THE TERMS OF OTHER AGENTS WHO MAY HAVE 11:21:55 BEEN VERY DISHEARTENED AND TROUBLED BY WHAT HAPPENED TO 11:21:58 YOU. AND IN AN EFFORT TO DISCOUNT 11:22:01 YOUR HUSBAND'S CREDIBILITY, THE QUESTION WAS RAISED -- AND IT 11:22:04 HAS BEEN ROUTINELY RAISED -- WHETHER YOU WERE INVOLVED IN THE 11:22:10 DECISION BY THE CIA TO ACTUALLY SEND YOUR HUSBAND, AMBASSADOR 11:22:14 JOSEPH WILSON, TO NIGER IN FEBRUARY OF 2002 TO OBTAIN 11:22:19 INFORMATION ON ALLEGATIONS THAT IRAQ'S OF URANIUM FROM NIGER. 11:22:24 THEY SORT OF SAID, OH, HIS WIFE SENT HIM, LIKE MY WIFE SENDS ME 11:22:30 OUT TO PUT OUT THE CRASH, TRY TO DISCOUNT THE IMPORT OF THAT, AT 11:22:35 LEAST I SUBMIT IT. NOW, I WANT TO ASK YOU, THE 11:22:41 SUGGESTION THAT YOU WERE INVOLVED IN SENDING YOUR HUSBAND 11:22:44 SEEMED TO DRIVE THE LEAKS IN AN EFFORT TO DISCOUNT HIS 11:22:47 CREDIBILITY. I WANT TO ASK YOU NOW UNDER 11:22:50 OATH, DID YOU MAKE THE DECISION TO SEND AMBASSADOR WILSON TO 11:22:53 NIGER. >> NO, I DID NOT RECOMMEND HIM, 11:22:56 I DID NOT SUGGEST HIM, THERE WAS NO NEPOTISM INVOLVED. 11:23:00 I DIDN'T HAVE THE AUTHORITY. CONGRESSMAN, IF YOU WILL ALLOW 11:23:04 ME BRIEFLY TO LAY OUT A SEQUENCE OF EVENTS. 11:23:06 >> THAT WAS MY NEXT QUESTION, IF YOU WOULD. 11:23:09 I SORT OF DOUBT IT -- IF I WERE TO SEND MY WIFE SOMEWHERE IT 11:23:13 WOULD NOT BE NIGER. NOTHING AGAINST NIGER -- PLEASE, 11:23:21 IF YOU COULD WALK US THROUGH EVERYTHING YOU DID THAT MAY HAVE 11:23:24 BEEN RELATED TO AROUND THE TIME OF THE DECISION TO SEND 11:23:28 AMBASSADOR WILSON TO NIER. >> THANK YOU, CONGRESSMAN, I AM 11:23:34 DELIGHTED AS WELL THAT ITEM UNDER OATH AS I REPLIED TO YOU. 11:23:38 IN FEBRUARY OF 2002 A YOUNG JUNIOR OFFICER WHO WORKED FOR ME 11:23:41 CAME TO ME VERY CONCERNED, VERY UPSET. 11:23:45 SHE HAD JUST RECEIVED A TELEPHONE CALL ON HER DESK FROM 11:23:49 SOMEONE, I DON'T KNOW WHO, IN THE OFFICE OF THE VICE 11:23:53 PRESIDENT, A ASKING ABOUT THIS REPORT OF THIS ALLEGED SALE OF 11:23:58 YELLOWCAKE URANIUM FROM NIGER TO IRAQ. 11:24:03 SHE CAME TO ME AND AS SHE WAS TELLING ME WHAT HAD JUST 11:24:07 HAPPENED, SOMEONE PASSED BY AND ANOTHER OFFICER HEARD THIS, HE 11:24:11 KNEW THAT JOE HAD ALREADY, MY HUSBAND, ALREADY GONE ON SOME 11:24:18 CIA MISSIONS PREVIOUSLY TO DEAL WITH OTHER NUCLEAR MATTERS. 11:24:22 AND HE SUGGESTED, WHY DON'T WE SEND JOE? 11:24:28 HE KNEW THAT JOE HAD MANY YEARS OF EXPERIENCE ON THE AFRICAN 11:24:31 CONTINENT. HE ALSO KNEW THAT HE HAD SERVED 11:24:36 WELL AND HEROICALLY IN THE BAGHDAD -- EMBASSY IN BAGHDAD 11:24:40 DURING THE FIRST GULF WAR. AND I WILL BE HONEST, I WAS 11:24:44 SOMEWHAT AMBIVALENT AT THE TIME WE HAD TO YOUR OLD TWINS AT 11:24:48 HOME, AND ALL I COULD ENVISION WAS THE BOND MYSELF AT A TIME 11:24:52 WITH A COUPLE OF TO YOUR OLD, SO I WASN'T -- WITH A COUPLE OF TWO 11:24:59 YEARS OLD SO I WAS NOT OVERJOYED. 11:25:01 NEVERTHELESS WE WENT TO MY BRANCH CHIEF, OUR SUPERVISOR, MY 11:25:05 COLLEAGUES SUGGESTED THIS IDEA, AND MY SUPERVISOR TURNED TO ME 11:25:09 AND SAID, WELL, WHEN YOU GO HOME THIS EVENING, WOULD YOU BE 11:25:13 WILLING TO SPEAK TO YOUR HUSBAND AND ASK HIM TO COME INTO 11:25:16 HEADQUARTERS NEXT WEEK AND WE WILL DISCUSS THE OPTIONS AND SEE 11:25:20 WHAT WE CAN DO. OF COURSE. 11:25:23 AND AS I WAS LEAVING HE ASKED ME TO DRAFT A QUICK E-MAIL TO THE 11:25:28 CHIEF OF OUR COUNTER PROLIFERATION DIVISION LETTING 11:25:32 HIM KNOW THAT THIS MIGHT HAPPEN. I SAID, OF COURSE. 11:25:38 YOU KNOW, CONGRESSMAN, THAT WAS TAKEN OUT OF CONTEXT IN A 11:25:43 PORTION OF WHICH YOU SEE IN THE SENATE SELECT COMMITTEE ON 11:25:46 INTELLIGENCE REPORT OF JULY 2004. 11:25:49 THAT MAKES IT SEEM AS THOUGH I HAVE SUGGESTED OR RECOMMENDED 11:25:52 HIM. >> MR. CHAIRMAN, IF I COULD JUST 11:25:55 FOLLOW UP -- A 30 SECONDS. >> WITHOUT OBJECTIONS. 11:26:00 >> THANK YOU. I WANT TO GO BACK TO THAT SENATE 11:26:03 INTELLIGENCE COMMITTEE HEARING. THERE WERE THREE REPUBLICAN 11:26:11 SENATORS WOULD INCLUDE A MORE DEFINITIVE STATEMENT WHICH -- 11:26:14 VISIT THE " "THE PLAN TO SEND A FORMER AMBASSADOR TO NIGER WAS 11:26:19 ADJUSTED TO THE FORMER AMBASSADOR'S WIFE, A CIA 11:26:23 EMPLOYEE." WHAT IS YOUR REACTION TO THE 11:26:27 STATEMENT IN THE SENATE REPORT ABOUT THE GENESIS OF YOUR 11:26:29 HUSBAND'S TRIP IN 2002? >> CORDESMAN, IT'S INCORRECT. 11:26:34 IT HAS BEEN BORN -- CONGRESSMAN, IT'S IN COURT. 11:26:37 IT HAS BEEN BORNE OUT OF THE TESTIMONY IN THE LIBBY TRIAL AND 11:26:42 THAT DOES NOT SQUARE IN THE FACT. 11:26:45 THE ADDITIONAL VIEWS WERE WRITTEN EXCLUSIVELY BY THREE 11:26:48 REPUBLICAN SENATORS. >> THANK YOU, MR. LYNCH. 11:26:51 MR. YARMOUTH? >> THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN, I 11:26:54 WOULD YIELD MY TIME TO MR. VAN HOLLEN. 11:26:56 >> MR. VAN HOLLEN IS RECOGNIZED. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 11:27:03 MS. PLAME BY YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE TO OUR COUNTRY AND 11:27:09 TESTIMONY. JUST TO REMIND US ALL OF THE 11:27:11 LARGER CONTEXT. IN THE LEAD UP TO WHERE YOU 11:27:15 REMEMBER STATEMENTS FROM THE PRESIDENT OF THE NINE STATES, 11:27:18 VICE PRESIDENT, SECRETARY OF STATE, CONDOLEEZZA RICE AND 11:27:21 OTHERS ABOUT MUSHROOM CLOUDS, INVOKING THE IMAGE OF THAT 11:27:25 SADDAM HUSSEIN WAS GOING TO BE OBTAINING NUCLEAR WEAPONS AND 11:27:30 USING THEM IN TERRORIST ATTACKS. AND SO WHEN AMBASSADOR WILSON 11:27:35 WROTE HIS ARTICLE IN THE THE NEW YORK TIMES THAT BEGAN WITH THIS 11:27:41 STATEMENT, DID THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION MANIPULATE 11:27:44 INTELLIGENCE ABOUT SADDAM HUSSEIN'S WEAPONS PROGRAMS TO 11:27:46 JUSTIFY AN INVASION OF IRAQ, AND ANSWER THAT QUESTION IN THE 11:27:51 FOLLOWING SENTENCE, BASED ON MY EXPERIENCE WITH THE 11:27:53 ADMINISTRATION THE MONTHS LEADING UP TO THE WAR I HAVE 11:27:55 LITTLE CHOICE TO CONCLUDE A SOME OF THE INTELLIGENCE RELATED TO 11:27:59 IRAQ'S NUCLEAR WEAPONS PROGRAM WAS TWISTED TO EXAGGERATE THE 11:28:02 IRAQI THREAT. THAT POSED A DIRECT THREAT TO 11:28:06 THE ADMINISTRATION'S CREDIBILITY. 11:28:09 CLEARLY THEY UNDERSTOOD THE DANGER OF THAT BECAUSE IT 11:28:12 UNDERCUT ONE OF THE MAIN UNDERPINNINGS AND JUSTIFICATIONS 11:28:15 THE AUTMAN STATION BEFORE THE WAR. 11:28:18 YOU SEE FROM THE CHART HERE THAT THE WHITE HOUSE DID SPRING INTO 11:28:22 ACTION AND BEGIN TO TRY AND DISCREDIT YOUR HUSBAND, AND THAT 11:28:27 IS HOW YOU WERE DRAWN INTO THIS WEB. 11:28:33 MR. MCCLELLAN, THEN WHITE HOUSE SPOKESMAN, SAID ON BEHALF OF THE 11:28:38 ADMINISTRATION AND BEHALF OF THE PRESIDENT, IF ANYONE IN THIS 11:28:40 ADMINISTRATION WAS INVOLVED -- MEANING, THE RELEASE AND 11:28:44 DISSEMINATION -- THEY WOULD NO LONGER BE IN THIS 11:28:49 ADMINISTRATION. DO YOU BELIEVE THERE CONTINUES 11:28:50 TO BE PEOPLE, INDIVIDUALS IN THIS ADMINISTRATION WHO WERE 11:28:53 INVOLVED IN LEAKING INFORTION ABOUT YOU? 11:28:55 >> YES, CONGRESSMAN. AS YOU KNOW, AGAIN, FROM THE 11:29:01 EVIDENCE THAT WAS INTRODUCED AT THE TRIAL OF VICE PRESIDENT 11:29:05 FORMER CHIEF OF STAFF, FOR ONE, KARL ROVE CLEARLY WAS INVOLVED 11:29:10 IN THE LEAKING OF MY NAME AND HE STILL CARRIES A SECURITY 11:29:13 CLEARANCE TO THIS DAY DESPITE THE PRESIDENT'S WORDS TO THE 11:29:17 CONTRARY THAT HE WOULD IMMEDIATELY DISMISS ANYONE WHO 11:29:19 HAD ANYTHING TO DO WITH THIS. >> END OF THE CIA SPOKESMAN MADE 11:29:24 A STATEMENT AND OTHER -- AND THE CIA SPOKESMAN RESTATEMENT AND 11:29:29 OTHERS SAID THE FAILED TO HOLD PEOPLE ACCOUNTABLE FOR LEAKING 11:29:33 THIS KIND OF INFORMATION SENDS A VERY TERRIBLE MESSAGE TO OTHERS 11:29:37 IN THE INTELLIGENCE FIELD. DO YOU THINK A FAILURE OF A 11:29:41 PRESIDENT TO FIRE PEOPLE IN HIS ADMINISTRATION WHO WERE 11:29:46 INVOLVED WITH THIS MESSAGE CENTS A CHILLING MESSAGE TO THOSE IN 11:29:52 THE INTELLIGENCE AGENCIES THAT THE WHITE HOUSE IS NOT WILLING 11:29:55 TO STAND UP BEHIND THOSE PEOPLE PUTTING THEIR LIVES IN DANGER 11:29:59 EVERY DAY? >> YES, I BELIEVE IT UNDERMINES 11:30:03 THE PRESIDENT'S WORDS. >> LET ME ASK YOU THIS -- AND I 11:30:08 WOULD JUST SAY ONE OF RECORD THAT THE STATEMENTS THAT WERE 11:30:13 MADE AT TRIAL WITH RESPECT TO KARL ROVE'S INVOLVEMENT, JUST 11:30:19 STAY THE TESTIMONY GIVEN BY MR. COOPER AT THE TIME MAGAZINE, WHO 11:30:23 SAID THAT HE WAS TOLD BY KARL ROVE "DON'T GO TOO FAR OUT ON 11:30:28 THE WILSON, BUT MR. WILSON'S WIFE WORKED AT THE " AGENCY AND 11:30:34 THE CONCLUSION ACCORDING TO MR. COOPER MR. ROH SAID "I HAVE 11:30:39 ALREADY SAID TO MUCH." CAN YOU THINK OF ANY REASON WHY 11:30:42 MR. KARL ROVE WOULD MAKE THE STATEMENT IF HE DID NOT KNOW 11:30:44 THAT HE WAS ENGAGED IN WRONGDOING. 11:30:47 >> CONGRESSMEN, I CANNOT BEGIN TO SPECULATE ON MR. KARL ROVE'S 11:30:53 INNT, I JUST KNOW HIS WORK AND THE EFFECTS. 11:30:55 >> THANK YOU. LET ME JUST FOLLOW UP BRIEFLY ON 11:30:59 MR. LYNCH'S LINE OF QUESTIONING REGARDING THE SENATE REPORT AND 11:31:04 WHO HAD AMBASSADOR WILSON SENT TO NIGER AND WHO WAS THE 11:31:14 INSTIGATOR OF THAT. UNCLASSIFIED SENATE REPORT 11:31:20 ASSERTS THE COUNTER PROLIFERATION DIVISION OF 11:31:24 REPORTS OFFICER TOLD THE COMMITTEE STAFF THAT THE FORMER 11:31:28 AMBASSADOR'S WIFE, YOU, OFFERED UP HIS NAME. 11:31:32 YOU FAMILIAR WITH THAT STATEMENT IN THE UNCLASSIFIED 11:31:35 REPORT COURSE OF THE >> YES, I AM. 11:31:36 >> I DID NOT WANT YOU TO REVEAL ANY CLASSIFIED INFORMATION OR 11:31:42 ANYONE TO ATTEND TO. BUT MY QUESTION IS, HAVE YOU 11:31:44 TALKED TO THAT CPD REPORTS OFFICER INTERVIEWED BY THE 11:31:48 SENATE COMMITTEE? >> YES, CONGRESSMAN, AND I CAN 11:31:51 TELL YOU THAT HE CAME TO ME ALMOST WITH TEARS IN HIS EYES, 11:31:58 HE SAID HIS WORDS HAVE BEEN TWISTED AND DISTORTED, HE WROTE 11:32:03 A MEMO, AND HE ASKED A SUPERVISOR TO ALLOW HIM TO SPEAK 11:32:08 WE INTERVIEWED -- REINTERVIEWED THE MEMO WENT NOWHERE AND THE 11:32:17 REQUEST WAS DENIED. >> SO THERE IS A MEMO WRITTEN BY 11:32:20 THE CPD OFFICER UPON WHOSE ALLEGED TESTIMONY THE SENATE 11:32:27 ROAD ITS REPORT THAT CONTRADICTS THE CONCLUSIONS -- 11:32:29 >> ABSOLUTELY. YES, SIR. 11:32:33 >> MR. CHAIRMAN, IT SEEMS TO ME THIS COMMITTEE SHOULD ASK FOR 11:32:37 THAT MEMO. IT BEARS DIRECTLY ON THE 11:32:40 CREDIBILITY OF THE SENATE REPORT WHEN THIS VERY IMPORTANT ISSUE, 11:32:44 BUT THEY HAVE ATTEMPTED TO USE DISCREDIT AMBASSADOR WILSON'S 11:32:48 VISION. >> I THINK THE GENTLEMAN MAKES 11:32:50 AN ESCO -- EXCELLENT POINT AND WE WILL INSIST ON GETTING THAT 11:32:53 MEMO. >> THANK YOU. 11:32:55 THANK YOU FOR YOUR TESTIMONY. >> MR. HOLMES -- THE GERMAN 11:33:13 RESERVES AS TIME. -- THE GENTLEMAN RESERVES HIS 11:33:19 TIME. >> THANKS FOR BEING HERE TODAY. 11:33:21 I KNOW THIS CAN'T BE EASY FOR YOU. 11:33:25 IF YOU PUT THIS AFFAIR IN CONTEXT, WHAT HAS HAPPENED WITH 11:33:31 YOU, WITH ALL THE OTHER ABUSES, FRANKLY, MR. CHAIRMAN, THAT WE 11:33:36 HAVE BEEN INVESTIGATING OVER THE LAST SEVEN WEEKS, I THANK YOU 11:33:41 FOR THE THE DILIGENCE OF YOUR INQUIRY AND FAIRNESS OF YOUR 11:33:44 INQUIRY INTO A NUMBER OF THINGS THAT HAVE OCCURRED, IT PAINTS A 11:33:48 PICTURE OF AN ADMINISTRATION OF BULLIES. 11:33:53 IN MY VIEW. THAT THINKS THAT IN ORDER TO 11:34:00 ACHIEVE WHATEVER THE END OF DAY ARE SEEKING, ANY MEANS CANNOT BE 11:34:04 JUSTIFIED. -- ANY MEANS CAN BE JUSTIFIED. 11:34:10 AND THAT PEOPLE CAN JUST BE PUSHED AROUND. 11:34:14 WE SAW IT WHEN WE HAD TESTIMONY OF PEOPLE IN THE WHITE HOUSE WHO 11:34:21 BULLIED THE SCIENTIFIC COMMUNITY BY OFFERING TESTIMONY -- 11:34:27 ALTERING TESTIMONY ON GLOBAL WARMING. 11:34:28 WE HAVE SEEN THIS ON THE INVESTIGATIONS YOU HAVE THE MR. 11:34:32 CHAIRMAN WITH RESPECT TO THE TREATMENT OF OUR CIVIL SOURCE -- 11:34:35 CIVIL SERVICE. NOW RECEIVE IN THE CONTEXT OF 11:34:38 OUR INTELLIGENCE COMMUNITY. -- WE SEE IT IN THE CONTEXT. 11:34:42 TO ME WHAT YOU HAVE EXPERIENCED IT'S REALLY THE RESULT OF THIS 11:34:46 SYNDROME THAT'S DEVELOPED IN THIS ADMINISTRATION WHICH 11:34:52 REFLEX THE ARROGANCE OF POWER RUN AMOK. 11:34:58 I HAVE JUST A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS THAT I WANTED TO ASK 11:35:00 YOU. IN THAT VEIN. 11:35:04 FIRST OF ALL, I GATHER YOU BELIEVE THAT THE OUTING OF YOUR 11:35:15 STATUS, THE BLOWING OF THE COVERT STATUS WAS AS A CARRIZO 11:35:22 TO OF SOME OF THE STATEMENTS -- AS A RESULT OF SOME OF THE 11:35:26 STATEMENTS AND CHALLENGES HE WAS BRINGING COME IS THAT RIGHT? 11:35:29 >> YES, I BELIEVE THAT IS ONE OF THE CONSEQUENCES. 11:35:32 >> OK. BUT AT THE POINT THAT THEY WERE 11:35:39 PREPARED TO SURRENDER YOUR COVERT STATUS TO THE PUBLIC, 11:35:43 WHAT WAS TO BE GAINED BY THAT? WAS IT TO APPLY FURTHER 11:35:49 LEVERAGED? REALLY IT WAS SORT OF AFTER THE 11:35:51 FACT. >> MY THINKING, CONGRESSMEN, IS 11:35:59 BACKED BY CONTINUING TO ASSERT -- IS THAT BY CONTINUING TO 11:36:05 ASSERT FALSELY THAT I SOMEHOW SUGGESTED HIM OR RECOMMENDED HIM 11:36:08 FOR THIS MISSION, IT WOULD UNDERCUT THE CREDIBILITY OF WHAT 11:36:12 HE WAS SAYING. AND THAT IS WHAT I THINK WHAT 11:36:18 HAS HAPPENED, AND IT JUST GOT A LITTLE OUT OF HAND. 11:36:23 >> IT STRIKES ME AS PETULANT BEHAVIOR ON THEIR PART. 11:36:28 SECONDLY, THERE IS THIS SUGGESTION BEING MADE THE THAT 11:36:33 YOUR STATUS HAD BEEN THE OLD SORT OF ACCIDENT LEE. 11:36:37 BUT YOU DESCRIBE -- DEVOLVED ACCIDENTLY. 11:36:41 BUT YOU DESCRIBE STRUCTURAL EFFORTS THAT ARE DESIGNED TO 11:36:45 MAKE SURE THAT THIS DOESN'T HAPPEN ACCIDENTALLY. 11:36:49 AND SO COULD YOU COMMENT ON THAT? 11:36:52 IT SEEMS TO ME THAT AN ORDER FOR YOUR STATUS TO HAVE BEEN 11:36:56 DISCLOSED SOMEBODY WOULD HAVE HAD TO WANT THAT TO HAPPEN. 11:36:59 THE WAY THINGS WERE SET UP, IT IS HIGHLY UNLIKELY THAT YOUR 11:37:05 STATUS WOULD BE PASCO'S BY ACCIDENT. 11:37:08 -- BE DISCLOSED AND BY ACCIDENT. 11:37:12 IT WOULD HAVE TO BE AN ORCHESTRATED EFFORT. 11:37:15 COULD YOU TALK ABOUT STRUCTURALLY WHETHER THAT IS THE 11:37:17 CASE? >> I CAN'T SPEAK TO INTENT, BUT 11:37:22 I CAN SPEAK TO SIMPLY WHAT ACTIONS WE CAN RESERVE -- 11:37:28 OBSERVED. AND THAT, AGAIN, THEY OWN KNEW 11:37:31 THAT I WORKED IN THE CIA. THEY MIGHT NOT HAVE KNOWN WHAT 11:37:36 MY STATUS WAS, BUT THAT ALONE, THE FACT WORKED AT THE CIA 11:37:40 SHOULD HAVE PUT UP A RED FLAG THAT THEY ACTED MUCH MORE 11:37:46 PROTECTIVE WAY OF MY IDENTITY AND TRUE EMPLOYER. 11:37:50 >> LASTLY, AGAIN, TRYING TO GET -- THIS IS MORE THAN A STORY 11:37:55 ABOUT VALERIE PLAME WILSON AND WHAT HAPPENED TO YOU. 11:37:59 WHAT IS -- WHAT DEVASTATING IS WHAT IT'S BEEN TO YOUR LIFE IN 11:38:07 THIS PAST MONTHS. IT IS ABOUT THE INTELLIGENCE 11:38:11 COMMUNITY AND YOU SPOKE TO YOURSELF HOW THIS KIND OF 11:38:14 CONDUCT CAN AFFECT THE INTEGRITY AND EFFECTIVENESS OF 11:38:17 OUR INTELLIGENCE APPARATUS. CAN YOU COMMENT ON THE CHILLING 11:38:24 EFFECT, IF YOU WILL, WHAT THE MESSAGE ITS SENSE TO PEOPLE? 11:38:29 TO THOSE, FOR EXAMPLE, THOSE SENT ON A MISSION TO COLLECT 11:38:33 INTELLIGENCE ABOUT A SUBJECT THAT THE WHITE HOUSE MIGHT 11:38:37 ALREADY HAVE A VERY STRONG OPINION ABOUT? 11:38:40 HOW WOULD IT AFFECT THE WAY THAT AGENT, THE WEIGHT THAT PERSON 11:38:45 WOULD COLLECT THAT INFORMATION -- OF THE WAY THAT PERSON WOULD 11:38:49 COLLECT INFORMATION AND GET IT BACK UP THE CHAIN? 11:38:52 >> INTELLIGENCE COLLECTION IS CERTAINLY MORE OF AN ART THAN A 11:38:56 SCIENCE. BUT IF THERE IS ANY TAINT OF 11:39:00 BIAS, THEN IT UNDERMINES ITS USEFULNESS. 11:39:04 THE PRIMARY CUSTOMER OF OUR INTELLIGENCE IS OF COURSE THE 11:39:08 PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES. AND IF THE PRESIDENT OF THE 11:39:11 UNITED STATES THINKS SOMEHOW OR DOESN'T BELIEVE THAT HIS 11:39:16 INTELLIGENCE HE BELIEVES -- RECEIVES ON HIS DESK EVERY 11:39:21 MORNING IS FREE OF IDEOLOGIES, POLITICS, A CERTAIN VIEWPOINT, 11:39:27 HOW THEN CAN THE THAT PRESIDENT MAKE THE MOST IMPORTANT 11:39:31 DECISIONS OF ALL ABOUT THE SECURITY OF OUR COUNTRY? 11:39:35 I DO FEEL PASSIONATELY ABOUT THAT. 11:39:38 YOU HAVE TO GET THE POLITICS OUT OF OUR INTELLIGENCE PROCESS. 11:39:42 >> I APPRECIATE THAT CAPRI -- APPRECIATE THE PASSION YOU 11:39:46 BROUGHT YOUR JOB AND YOU REPRESENT HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS 11:39:48 OF PEOPLE THAT GO TO WORK AND TRY TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE FOR 11:39:52 THIS COUNTRY. AND I THINK ARE BEING BULLIED BY 11:39:57 THIS ADMINISTRATION. YOU WON'T GET THE APOLOGY FROM 11:40:00 THEM THAT YOU DESERVE. BUT WHAT YOU TO KNOW THAT 11:40:02 EVERYONE HERE AND APPRECIATE YOUR SERVICE. 11:40:05 I GIVE OR MUCH. >> THANK YOU, MR. SARBANES. 11:40:11 WE'VE GONE BACK AND FORTH, AND RATHER THAN A SECOND ROUND, MR. 11:40:16 DAVIS AND I AGREE THAT WE WILL HAVE FIVE MINUTES TO WRAP UP, 11:40:22 CONTROLLED BY THE CHAIRMAN OF THE RANKING MEMBER AND I WILL 11:40:25 YIELD FIVE MINUTES TO MR. DAVIS AT THIS POINT. 11:40:27 >> MR. WESTMORELAND CAMILLE THIS MUCH TIME AS YOU MAKE OF SOME. 11:40:31 >> -- I YIELD AS MUCH TIME AS YOU MAY CONSUME. 11:40:40 >> I REGRET WE CANNOT STAY HERE TO GET ALL OF OUR QUESTIONS 11:40:43 ANSWERED BY MISS WILSON BECAUSE I HAVE SO MANY TO ASK BECAUSE 11:40:47 THERE IS SO MUCH CONFLICTING REPORTS CUFF AND I THINK THAT 11:40:52 SOMETHING OF THIS IMPORTANCE -- BUT, MS. WILSON, THE COUNTER 11:41:00 PROLIFERATION DIVISION OF THE CIA, THAT SOUNDS LIKE A PRETTY 11:41:05 IMPORTANT PLACE WHERE A BUNCH OF SMART PEOPLE WOULD WORK AND KEEP 11:41:09 GOOD RECORDS. WOULD I BE OK IN THINKING ABOUT? 11:41:13 >> YES, CONGRESSMAN. >> BUT IN THE SENATE INTEL 11:41:21 REPORT THAT I'VE GOT, IT SAYS,CPD OFFICIALS COULD NOT 11:41:26 RECALL HOW THE OFFICE DECIDED TO CONTACT THE FORMER AMBASSADOR. 11:41:34 WASN'T THIS A VOLUNTARY LACK OF MEMORY OR WERE THERE -- WAS THIS 11:41:39 A VOLUNTARY LACK OF MEMORY OR NO NOTES ON IT? 11:41:43 HOW COULD THEY FORGET HOW THEY CAME ABOUT IN NAME THAT THEY 11:41:47 WERE FIXING TO SEND IT TO A FOREIGN COUNTRY TO CHECK ON THE 11:41:51 INTELLIGENCE OF IRAQ GETTING MATERIAL TO BUILD NUCLEAR BOMBS? 11:41:55 IT SEEMS A LITTLE BIT FAR- FETCHED TO ME. 11:41:58 >> CONGRESSMEN, PLEASE REMEMBER THAT INHIS PERIOD, IN THE RUN- 11:42:03 UP TO THE WAR, WE IN THE COUNTRY PROLIFERATION DIVISION OF THE 11:42:07 CIA WERE WORKING AS A FLAT OUT AS HARD AS WE COULD TO TRY TO 11:42:13 FIND GOOD, SOLID INTELLIGENCE FOR OUR SENIOR POLICY MAKERS 11:42:18 WANT THESE PRESUMED PROGRAMS. MY ROLE IN THIS WAS TO GO HOME 11:42:24 THAT NIGHT WITHOUT REVEALING ANY CLASSIFIED INFORMATION OF COURSE 11:42:28 AND ASK MY HUSBAND WOULD HE BE WILLING TO COME IN TO CIA 11:42:31 HEADQUARTERS THE FOLLOWING WEEK AND TALK TO THE PEOPLE THERE. 11:42:36 AT THAT MEETING I INTRODUCED HIM AND I LEFT BECAUSE I DID HAVE 11:42:41 101 DIFFERENT THINGS I NEEDED TO DO. 11:42:44 >> BUT WHAT I AM TRYING TO SAY IS, DO YOU THINK THERE WOULD NOT 11:42:47 HAVE BEEN A PAPER TRAIL OF HOW HIS NAME CAME ABOUT, WHO WOULD 11:42:53 HAVE MENTIONED IT FIRST -- I MEAN, TO ME, THIS IS A PRETTY 11:42:58 IMPORTANT ASSIGNMENT TO GIVE SOMEBODY AND MAYBE SOMEBODY WILL 11:43:03 WANT TO SAY, THAT WAS MY IDEA, THAT WAS MY GUY THAT I WAS 11:43:07 SENDING OVER THERE AND WHAT TO TAKE CREDIT FOR IT, BUT IT SEEMS 11:43:11 LIKE EVERYBODY IS RUNNING FROM IT. 11:43:12 >> CONGRESS MAN, I BELIEVE ONE OF THE PIECES OF EVIDENCE 11:43:17 INTRODUCED IN THE LIBBY TRIAL WAS A MEMO OF THAT MEETING WHERE 11:43:23 IT STATES -- IN FACT, MY HUSBAND WAS NOT PARTICULARLY LOOKING 11:43:29 FORWARD -- HE DIDN'T THINK IT WAS NECESSARY. 11:43:31 THERE HADEEN AT LEAST TWO OTHER REPORTS, ONE BY A THREE- 11:43:36 STAR GENERAL AND ONE AND BEST ON THE GROUND WHO SAID THERE WAS 11:43:39 REALLY MUCH TO THIS ALLEGATION. AND THE INR FOLKS AT THE MEETING 11:43:45 SAID, WELL, I'M NOT SURE THIS IS REALLY NECESSARY. 11:43:48 BUT IT WAS ULTIMATELY DECIDED THAT HE WOULD GO, USE HIS 11:43:52 CONTACTS, WHICH WERE EXTENSIVE IN THE GOVERNMENT, TO SEE IF 11:43:55 THERE WAS ANYTHING MORE TO THIS. IT WAS A SERIOUS QUESTION ASKED 11:44:00 BY THE OFFICE OF THE VICE PRESIDENT AND IT DESERVES A 11:44:03 SERIOUS ANSWER. >> AREN'T YOU FAMILIAR WITH A 11:44:06 CHARLES GRANIER, A FORMER DIRECTOR MISSION MANAGER FOR THE 11:44:13 CIA? >> I KNOW OF HIM, SIR, YES. 11:44:16 >> TESTIFIED AT THE LEAD TRIAL -- LIBBY TRIAL THAT ALL HE KNEW 11:44:23 YOU WERE WORKING FOR THE COUNTER PROLIFERATION DIVISION, AND IT 11:44:27 COULD HAVE MEANT A NUMBER OF THINGS, DIFFERENT PEOPLE I 11:44:30 GUESS WORK AT THIS, SOME COVERT, SOME CLASSIFIED, SOME 11:44:34 UNDERCOVER, SOME DIFFERENT NAMES -- IS THAT TRUE THERE ARE 11:44:39 DIFFERENT CLASSIFICATIONS OF PEOPLE THAT WORK IN THIS COUNTRY 11:44:41 WITH RATION DIVISION? >> WHAT I WOULD SAY IS MOST 11:44:44 ACCURATE IS THAT MOST OF THE EMPLOYEES AND THE COUNTER 11:44:48 PROLIFERATION DIVISION ARE UNDER COVER OF SOME SORT. 11:44:51 >> OK. >> BUT HE DID WORK FOR THE CIA, 11:44:55 SO HE SHOULD HAVE KNOWN ALL OF THAT. 11:44:57 IS THAT TRUE? ARE YOU SAYING HE SHOULD HAVE 11:45:00 KNOWN THAT YOU WERE UNDERCOVER OR CLASSIFIED? 11:45:04 >> I AM SAYING THAT THE FACT WAS THAT MOST PEOPLE ON THE COUNTER 11:45:11 PROLIFERATION DIVISION WAS UNDERCOVER. 11:45:13 I AM NOT SPEAKING TO WHAT HE SHOULD HAVE OR SHOULD HAVE 11:45:16 KNOWN, AS AN EMPLOYE HE HE WAS PROBABLY COGNIZANT OF THAT. 11:45:20 >> OK, AND YOU MENTIONED TAKING POLITICS OUT OF INTELLIGENCE. 11:45:28 AND YOUR HUSBAND -- WOULD YOU SAY HE WAS A DEMOCRAT OR 11:45:31 REPUBLICAN? >> ALTHOUGH MY HUSBAND COMES 11:45:36 FROM A REPUBLICAN FAMILY WITH DEEP ROOTS IN CALIFORNIA, I 11:45:40 WOULD SAY HE IS A DEMOCRAT NOW, CONGRESSMAN. 11:45:43 >> OK, AND JUST TO KIND OF KEEP SCORE, NOT THAT YOU WOULD PUT 11:45:47 YOURSELF IN ANY POLITICAL CATEGORY, WHICH YOU SAY YOU ARE 11:45:51 A DEMOCRAT OR REPUBLICAN? >> CONGRESSMAN, I AM NOT SURE 11:45:56 THAT THAT -- >> I KNOW, BUT THERE WAS A LIST 11:46:03 I COULD ASK YOU AND THAT WAS NOT ONE OF THEM, SO I WOULD NOTE -- 11:46:07 >> YES, CONGRESSMAN, I AM A DEMOCRAT. 11:46:12 >> SO BY THE VICE PRESIDENT, WHO IS A REPUBLICAN, WHO EVIDENTLY 11:46:17 THOUGHT FROM HIS CIA BRIEFING THAT HE HAD GONE ONE DAY FELT 11:46:22 LIKE THAT THIS NEEDED TO BE LOOKED AT FURTHER, THE REPORT 11:46:30 THAT NIGER WAS SELLING THIS YELLOW CAKE URANIUM TO IRAQ, 11:46:40 BACKED -- THAT HE WOULD GET SOME FURTHER INTEL ON IT. 11:46:47 BECAUSE THE, FRUSTRATION AND A LEASE SOMEBODY IN THE CIA -- 11:46:51 THEY CALLED A COUNTER PROLIFERATION OF THE SOMEBODY IN 11:46:54 THE CIA, BUT A DEMOCRAT, OR IN THE SOMEONE WHO MAY BE 11:46:58 AFFILIATED IN THE DEMOCRATIC SIDE, PRESENT OR SUPPOSEDLY 11:47:03 PRESENT OR AT LEAST VOUCHED FOR HER HUSBAND WHO HAS COME FROM A 11:47:09 GOOD REPUBLICAN FAMILY WHO HAVE LOST HIS WAY AND BECOME A 11:47:13 DEMOCRAT, BUT -- MY POINT IS, BUT IN THIS PIECE TITLED "WHAT I 11:47:19 DIDN'T FIND IN AFRICA, " HE DISPUTES THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION 11:47:23 CLAIMS THAT THERE IS NO EVIDENCE THAT NIGER WAS SELLING IT. 11:47:28 BUT YOU, COMING FROM AN INTELLIGENCE BACKGROUND, YOU 11:47:33 DON'T JUST DEPEND ON ONE REPORT FROM ONE COUNTRY FOR ONE SOURCE 11:47:42 TO BASE ALL OF YOUR INTELLIGENCE ON, DO YOU? 11:47:48 WOULDN'T YOU GATHERED FROM A BUNCH OF DIFFERENT SOURCES AND 11:47:51 THEN KIND OF PUT TOGETHER AND LOOK AT IT AND NOT JUST ONE FROM 11:47:56 -- ONE PARTICULAR? >> MUNTARI, CONGRESSMAN. 11:48:02 >> DEGENERES TIME HAS EXPIRED. LAST QUESTION. 11:48:04 I GUESS, MR. CHAIRMAN, MY LAST COMMENT WOULD BE TO YOU IS THAT 11:48:08 I STILL THINK IT IS A SHAME THAT WE BROUGHT MRS. WILSON HERE AND 11:48:12 THE PRESS CAME AND ALL THESE GOOD PEOPLE CAME TO WITNESS ALL 11:48:16 OF THIS AND THERE HAS BEEN QUITE A SPECTACLE THAT WE WOULD NOT 11:48:19 GET TO ESCO THE QUESTIONS THAT WE HAVE. 11:48:21 >> THANK YOU. MR. CHAIRMAN, LET ME JUST SAY, I 11:48:25 THINK WHAT IS CLEAR HERE, FIRST OF ALL, IT IS A TERRIBLE THING 11:48:32 THAT ANY CIA OPERATIVE WOULD BE ALTERED. 11:48:34 BUT WHAT IS DIFFICULT AND WHAT WE HAVE NOT BEEN ABLE TO 11:48:37 ESTABLISH HERE IS WHO KNEW WHO WAS UNDERCOVER AND HE WAS AN A 11:48:41 COVERT STATUS. I THINK WE WILL HAVE TO LOOK OF 11:48:44 THIS. BUT IF THERE IS NO EVIDENCE THAT 11:48:45 THE PEOPLE OUT IN THIS OR PURSUING THIS HAD KNOWLEDGE OF 11:48:48 THE COVERT STATUS. SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE THAT 11:48:51 POINT. THINK OF VERMONT. 11:48:53 MRS. PLAME, THANK YOU VERY MUCH TO BE HERE. 11:48:56 >> THANK YOU, MR. CONGRESSMAN. >> THANK YOU, MR. DAVIS. 11:49:00 I WANT TO YIELD TO MISS NORTON FOR FIVE MINUTES. 11:49:08 >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH, THANK YOU, MRS. WILSON, AS OTHERS HAVE 11:49:13 SENT YOU FOR YOUR EXTRA RESOURCE TO OUR COUNTRY. 11:49:18 -- EXTRAORDINARY SERVICE TO OUR COUNTRY. 11:49:23 I AM TRYING TO UNDERSTAND THE EFFECT OF THE EXECUTIVE ORDER. 11:49:30 BECAUSE THERE IS AN EXECUTIVE ORDER, IT IS THE EXECUTIVE 11:49:35 ORDER 12958. IT IS AN EXECUTIVE ORDER, 11:49:44 PRESIDENTIAL EXECUTIVE ORDER THAT INDICATES WHAT THE 11:49:58 REQUIREMENTS ARE TO PREVENT UNAUTHORIZED DISCLOSURES. 11:50:06 IN SUMMARY, THEY ARE BACKGROUND CHECK, OFFICIAL NEED TO KNOW, 11:50:21 AND I AM PARTICULARLY INTERESTED IN THE OFFICIALLY NEED TO KNOW 11:50:25 AND ASK YOU TO LOOK AT THE MIDDLE CHART, THE MIDDLE PART OF 11:50:31 THE CHART WHERE THE WHITE HOUSE AND OTHER OFFICIALS, STATE 11:50:42 DEPARTMENT OFFICIALS, ARE LISTED. 11:50:47 CAN YOU THINK OF ANY REASON THAT ANY OF THOSE OFFICIALS WOULD 11:50:53 HAVE HAD A REASON TO KNOW IN YOUR IDENTITY, AND IN 11:50:57 PARTICULAR, AS A COVERT AGENT? >> CONGRESSWOMAN, THERE WAS NO 11:51:06 NEED TO KNOW MY SPECIFIC IDENTITY OTHER BAND THAT I WAS A 11:51:10 CIA OFFICER, ACCORDING -- OTHER THAN THAT I WAS A CIA OFFICER 11:51:15 ACCORDING TO THE CHART. NONE WHATSOEVER. 11:51:25 COULD I ASK YOU WHETHER THERE IS ANY DIFFERENCE IN YOUR REVIEW 11:51:31 BETWEEN DISCLOSING THE IDENTITY OF A COVERT AGENT AND DISCLOSING 11:51:37 CLASSIFIED INFORMATION? WHAT IF ANY DIFFERENCE WOULD 11:51:41 THERE BE? >> I THINK THE IMAGE IN EITHER 11:51:48 CASE COULD BE EQUALLY DEVASTATING, IT WOULD SIMPLY 11:51:52 DEPEND ON WHAT THE CLASSIFIED INFORMATION OF -- WAS, BUT 11:51:57 CERTAINLY REVEALING OPPORTUNIST TRUE IDENTITY IS A DEVASTATING. 11:52:05 -- I OPERATIVES TRUE IDENTITY IS DEVASTATING. 11:52:08 I WAS WORKING TO TRY TO FIND THE IRAQ WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION 11:52:13 PROGRAMS AND WHAT THEY WERE UP TO. 11:52:14 >> I SUPPOSE WE COULD ALL THINK OF CLASSIFIED INFORMATION 11:52:17 INVOLVING OUR COUNTRY THAT WOULD HAVE A DEVASTATING AFFECT ON ALL 11:52:21 OF US. DISCLOSING THE NAME OF A 11:52:30 CLASSIFIED AGENT MIGHT HAVE A DEVASTATING AFFECT ON THE MORE 11:52:34 THAN THAT AGENTS CAREER, IS THIS NOT THE CASE? 11:52:36 >> ABSOLUTELY, CONGRESSWOMAN. THE RIPPLE EFFECT GO OUT WORD, 11:52:45 -- OUT WORD IN QUITE WIDE CIRCLES. 11:52:50 ALL THE CONTACTS THROUGH THE YEARS, EITHER INNOCENT OR IN A 11:52:55 PROFESSIONAL MANNER, THE AGENTS, THE NETWORKS, MUCH IS TAKEN OUT. 11:52:59 >> ARE THERE CIRCUMSTANCES UNDER WHICH IT DISCLOSING THE 11:53:05 IDENTITY OF A COVERT AGENT COULD RESULT IN THE DEATH OF A THAT 11:53:12 AGENT, AND HASN'T OCCURRED BEFORE IN OUR COUNTRY'S HISTORY 11:53:15 COURSE #>> YES, IT HAS. >> IF IN FACT A OFFICIAL OF ANY 11:53:29 KIND DID NOT HAVE AN OFFICIAL REASON TO KNOW YOUR STATUS, IN 11:53:37 YOUR VIEW, WITHOUT BE A VIOLATION OF THE EXECUTIVE ORDER 11:53:41 WHICH LISTS THE NEED TO KNOW, OFFICIAL NEED TO KNOW AS A 11:53:45 REASON -- AS A REASON FOR HAVING CLASSIFIED OF PERMISSION? 11:53:51 >> YES, CONGRESSMAN AND, I WOULD THINK SO. 11:53:54 IT WOULD BE A VIOLATION. >> ONE OF MY COLLEAGUES 11:54:06 QUESTIONED YOU REGARDING THE ACCUSATION THAT OVER AGAIN WAS 11:54:13 REPEATED IN THE PRESS AND FOR THAT MATTER BY A NUMBER OF 11:54:18 PUBLIC OFFICIALS, THAT IT WAS YOU WHO WAS RESPONSIBLE FOR YOUR 11:54:24 HUSBAND'S BEING SELECTED TO GO ON THE CONTROVERSIAL TRIP AT 11:54:29 ISSUE. >> AS -- 11:54:34 >> -- AS I UNDERSTAND IT, THIS PERSON HAS INDEED THAT HE WAS 11:54:39 NOT THE PERSON WHO INDICATED THAT YOU HAD BEEN RESPONSIBLE 11:54:47 FOR THE SELECTION OF YOUR HUSBAND TO GO TO NIGER. 11:54:55 IF THAT IS THE CASE, WOULD YOU SAY THAT IT WOULD BE 11:55:00 INAPPROPRIATE FOR US OR OTHERS TO RELY ON THE INFORMATION THAT 11:55:11 A CIA OFFICIAL HAD SAID THAT YOU WERE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE 11:55:16 SELECTION OF YOUR HUSBAND TO GO? >> THAT'S INCORRECT. 11:55:23 A SENIOR AGENCY OFFICERS SAID SHE HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH HIS 11:55:27 TRIP. AND I WOULD JUST LIKE TO ADD 11:55:31 THAT CERTAINLY I HAD NO POLITICAL AGENDA AT THE TIME OF 11:55:34 MY HUSBAND'S TRIP, JOE HAD NO POLITICAL AGENDA, WE WERE BOTH 11:55:39 LOOKING TO SERVE OUR COUNTRY. >> MR. CHAIRMAN, I UNDERSTAND 11:55:45 THAT THE CIA OFFICIAL TO WHICH I REFER HAND IN FACT SAID THAT 11:55:51 IN WRITING AND I ASK THAT YOU TRY TO GET THE MEMORANDUM OF 11:55:57 THAT OFFICIAL THAT WOULD MAKE IT CLEAR THAT HE OR SHE WAS NOT 11:56:02 RESPONSIBLE FOR DISINFORMATION. >> WE WILL TRY TO GET THAT 11:56:06 INFORMATION. FENN A THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. 11:56:10 CHAIRMAN. >> MR. DAVIS? 11:56:11 >> AMIS AS BEST YOU TO CLARIFY ONE THING. 11:56:14 YOU NOTED THAT WHEN YOU LEARNED ABOUT THIS YOUR HUSBAND PICKED 11:56:16 UP THE PAPER AND SAID HE DID IT -- YOU REMEMBER THE TESTIMONY, 11:56:21 HE DID IT. WAS HE REFERRING TO BOB NOVAK, 11:56:25 THE IN THE STATION, AND DID YOU KNOW IT WAS PERCOLATING? 11:56:27 >> HE WAS REFERRING TO MR. BOB NOVAK. 11:56:32 WE HAD INDICATIONS IN THE WEEK PRIOR THAT MR. NOVAK KNEW MY 11:56:35 IDENTITY AND MY TRUE EMPLOYER AND I, OF COURSE, ALERTED MY 11:56:43 SUPERIORS AT THE AGENCY AND WAS TOLD, THE WARWICK, WE WILL TAKE 11:56:46 CARE OF THIS. AND IT WAS MUCH TO OUR SURPRISE 11:56:50 THAT HE READ ABOUT THIS JULY 14. >> DO YOU KNOW IF YOUR SUPERIORS 11:56:54 AT THE AGENCY DID ANYTHING AT THAT POINT TO STOP THE OUTING? 11:56:57 YOU THINK IT WOULD PICK UP THE PHONE AND SAID THIS WAS A 11:57:01 SERIOUS MATTER, THIS WAS A CRIME. 11:57:04 >> ABSOLUTELY. I BELIEVE, AND THIS IS WHAT I 11:57:07 READ, THAT THE THEN SPOKESMAN, MR. HARLOW SPOKE DIRECTLY WITH 11:57:11 MR. NOVAK AND SAID TO ALONG THE LINES OF, DON'T GO WITH THIS, 11:57:15 DON'T DO THIS. I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHAT HE 11:57:18 SAID, BUT CLEARLY COMMUNICATE THE MESSAGE THAT MR. NOVAK 11:57:22 SHOULD NOT PUBLISH MINING. >> YOU DON'T KNOW IF HE SAID 11:57:25 THIS COULD BE A VIOLATION OF LAW, SHE IS COVERT -- 11:57:29 >> I HAVE NO IDEA. >> ONE OF THE LONG-TERM 11:57:33 CONCERNS OUTSIDE -- THAT AUDI OF AN AGENT IS A VERY SERIOUS 11:57:37 BUSINESS THAT I THINK HAS DISTRESSED BY BOTH SIDES, BUT 11:57:41 IF NO ONE KNOWS THAT YOU ARE COVERT IT IS HARD TO SHOW ANY 11:57:45 VIOLATION OF LAW, BUT IF YOU HAVE NOTICED, THAT IS A 11:57:48 DIFFERENT ISSUE. YOU DID THE APPROPRIATE THING OF 11:57:51 NOTIFYING YOUR SUPERIORS THAT THIS WAS PERCOLATING IN THE ONE 11:57:54 NOT ABLE TO STOP IT. IS THAT YOUR TESTIMONY? 11:57:56 >> THAT IS CORRECT. >> MRS. WILSON, YOU COULD BE A 11:58:09 DEMOCRAT BECOME A BEACON THE REPUBLICAN, NO ONE ASKS OUR 11:58:11 SERVICEMEN OR CIA OPERATIVES WHAT THEY BELIEVE IN IN TERMS OF 11:58:15 THE POLITICS. THEY GO OUT AND SERVE OUR 11:58:17 COUNTRY. THEY ARE NOT ACTING AS DEMOCRATS 11:58:21 AS -- OR REPUBLICANS, THEY WERE ACTING AS AMERICAN. 11:58:27 FACTS ARE NOT REPUBLICAN OR DEMOCRAT. 11:58:31 YOUR HUSBAND REVEAL THE THE FALSEHOOD OF THE REASON THE 11:58:37 PRESIDENT LEAVES TO GO TO WAR AGAINST SADDAM HUSSEIN IN IRAQ. 11:58:43 AND THE REASON HE GAVE, EVEN IN HIS STATE OF THE UNION ADDRESS, 11:58:46 WAS THAT A WEAPON OF MASS DESCRIPTION THAT SADDAM HUSSEIN 11:58:52 -- DISCRETION THAT SOME OF THE ST. WOULD HAVE OR COULD SOON 11:58:55 HAVE IS A NUCLEAR BOMB. THAT WAS VERY SOBERING, BUT IT 11:59:00 WAS FALSE. AND WHEN YOUR HUSBAND WROTE THE

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