SPECIAL ADVISER TO ISRAELI PM TALKS TO CNN-PART TWO
<p><b>--SUPERS</b>--</p>\n<p>:00 </p>\n<p>Christiane Amanpour</p>\n<p>London</p>\n<p></p>\n<p>:39 </p>\n<p>Jan Egeland</p>\n<p>Secretary General, Norwegian Refugee Council:</p>\n<p></p>\n<p>1:32</p>\n<p>Mark Regev</p>\n<p>Special Adviser to the Israeli Prime Minister</p>\n<p></p>\n<p><b>--SOT</b>--</p>\n<p>Christiane Amanpour, London: Ok. That's your view. Nobody else has actually said that. You are going to have it under review and others will probably as well. But let me play for you then Jan Egeland, the Secretary General, the head of the Norwegian Refugee Council, who basically says that trucks are still lined up at borders, there aren't enough entrance points from the Israeli-Gaza side, and that so much minute checking is happening as to make these entrances really rare. This is what he said to me and he said it's up to Israel plus America and to an extent Egypt to fix this situation. </p>\n<p>Jan Egeland, Secretary General, Norwegian Refugee Council: There is very little aid. There is very little supplies there to start with. So famine is breaking out there. There is no other way to describe it which again shows that the Karni crossing, which is also from Israel, Israel could fix this. They are the occupying power. They have the overwhelming military superiority. They could have convoys going over Karni Crossing which is in the middle area from where you can easily reach the north. It's very hard from here south in Rafah and Karen Shalom. </p>\n<p>Christiane Amanpour, London: So, Mark, ABC News reports that you are considering opening the Karni Crossing. And last month, the Biden administration was said to have asked you to open the Erez Crossing. Is that going to happen? </p>\n<p>Mark Regev, Special Adviser to the Israeli Prime Minister: So, I can't announce anything before it's decided, but I can tell you that those reports are correct in that. Israel wants to work with the international community to make sure the aid gets in. And I repeat what you've heard me say before, the people of Gaza, we don't want to harm them, we want to see them receive the aid that they require. And there are logistic issues. There are problems on the ground. I think of course, we've got to focus on getting the aid into Gaza. But as today's incident shows we have to work to make sure that aid is effectively distributed. There's no point to have aid come into Gaza and it's just gonna cause problems. So we have to do both those tasks and we as a government are committed in doing so. </p>\n<p>Christiane Amanpour, London: So Jan Egeland says that when they take their trucks in and he says, thankfully theirs haven't been looted, he says they have a system, they have a delivery delivery route, they have a distribution route and they know what they are doing. He also said that they cannot move up north, that the Israeli checkpoints have prevented them from moving up north where the most dire situation is. We, CNN, have also conducted an investigation with all the geolocations and everything else which show that Israel fired on an aid convoy February the fifth. So there is a lot of insecurity that most say are coming from you. He also said that Hamas has their food. That's in the tunnels, that's with them. It's got nothing to do with the civilians. So this is about civilians trying to receive aid. So these are facts, and when you say you want to take more aid in, I mean, seeing is believing. How are the people, how is anybody meant to, you know, believe that you want it if it's not going in? </p>\n<p>Mark Regev, Special Adviser to the Israeli Prime Minister: So it is going in and more will be going in. That's our commitment. Do you think we have an interest in starvation in the Gaza? </p>\n<p>Christiane Amanpour, London: I don't know. </p>\n<p>Mark Regev, Special Adviser to the Israeli Prime Minister: Of course, we don't. </p>\n<p>Christiane Amanpour, London: Ok. I don't know, I just don't understand it. </p>\n<p>Mark Regev, Special Adviser to the Israeli Prime Minister: No, no, no. I think we are screening trucks, we are sending trucks in the backlog is often on the Gaza side of the frontier because of all sorts of logistic issues. But to say that the UN aid going into Gaza that Hamas is not stealing it, that's just simply not true. The people of Gaza, they say that the that Hamas is stealing the aid. They're the people in Gaza, unfortunately, with guns they can take what they want and that's an unfortunate reality.</p>\n<p>Christiane Amanpour, London: So the question is then have you disarmed Hamas or not? I mean, this is five months. Have you, are you close to destroying them and preventing this? This is your whole raison d'etre and civilians are paying. So, have you? How much have you destroyed them? </p>\n<p>Mark Regev, Special Adviser to the Israeli Prime Minister: So, Hamas has 24 battalions. We've taken apart 18 and we're well on the way to finishing the job. Obviously, we can discuss separately. There are Hamas battalions in Rafah that are still intact and we'll have to deal with them when the time is right. But Hamas' military machine is an organized fighting force is being crippled. What you do have unfortunately is you can have lone gunmen or small squads of people who can steal aid, who can cause problems, who can even fire a rocket here and there, they can shoot at our forces, but we are winning this war. It's only a matter of time, bit of patience, this can be over. </p>\n<p>Christiane Amanpour, London: So a bit of patience as you know, the international community and your biggest backers, the US are urging no ground offensive into Rafah. Have you made a decision? Has the government made a decision to, you know, go into Rafah? And if so when? And added to that, do you think that there will be this ceasefire that has been talked about? </p>\n<p>Mark Regev, Special Adviser to the Israeli Prime Minister: First of all, the ceasefire is dependent on a deal with the hostages. And unfortunately, I'd like to be optimistic. We're ready for a deal to bring our hostages home. We want to see our hostages come home. We're willing to pay a price, even a price that is difficult for Israel, which is painful for Israel, but to get our hostages home, we're willing to do that. But Hamas has to be, you know, a part of a serious negotiation and unfortunately, so far it's not clear that they are. And I'd like to tell you, I'm optimistic that we can get such a deal which will bring a ceasefire. Unfortunately, I have to be doubtful today. It's not clear that Hamas wants a deal. If they're serious, like in November, we can get a deal. But it's not clear to me at all today that Hamas is serious.</p>\n<p>Christiane Amanpour, London: And Rafah? When will we see that? </p>\n<p>Mark Regev, Special Adviser to the Israeli Prime Minister: So, here, I think with respect, I think you may be simplified the American position. The American position, which is actually, I think in many ways identical to the Israeli position, is that we can go into Rafah, we need to go into Rafah because there are those Hamas battalions there and you've got to finish the job. But we said we will create a humanitarian corridor and we'll find a safe place for the people in Gaza that we don't want to see civilians caught up in the crossfire between us and Hamas, not in Rafah, not in any part of Gaza. </p>\n<p>Christiane Amanpour, London: Right. Well, clearly, obviously, I assume that what happened today will be a learning moment for trying to do something like that on a much, much bigger scale if you say you have a plan. Mark Reveg, thank you for being with us.</p>\n<p><b>-----END-----CNN.SCRIPT-----</b></p>\n<p></p>\n<p><b>--KEYWORD TAGS--</b></p>\n<p>ISRAEL PRIME MINISTER GAZA HAMAS WAR AID </p>\n<p></p>\n<p><b>--MUSIC INFO---</b></p>\n<p></p>