POP MUSIC
Peter Yarrow: I'm the one who has not the definitive answer at all, but the most biased answer Uh, because I loved Albert very much, even though I found him to be extremely difficult, in certain ways that he was a great teacher to me, and somewhat of a father figure in ways, because I grew up without a father in my life. And he was one of the sort of people that helped to really educate me and take me away from my rather comprehensive, square point of view in life. And I was that and he cured that a little bit, the comprehensive square...So, so let me tell you about Albert, from my perspective, I don't think that the Folk Renaissance would have happened in the way that it happened had it not been for Albert, because he not only nurtured talents like Joan Baez and Bob Dylan and and Peter, Paul and Mary, and Odetta and Richie Havens. Ian and Sylvia, Gordon Lightfoot. Yeah, he also gave all of his artists the opportunity to make their own decisions. He always said, You, I believe that artists have a right to destroy their own careers if they so desire. And when he would always weigh in, and his opinion was so respected. It was he that suggested we do stewball. It was he that suggested we do take off your old coat, Jane Jane, it was he that suggested in fact, the chorus idea for the great Mandela. Albert was, it was the person who sat in the recording studio and said instead of putting all the voices in the center, to Bill Schwarzkopf put the, you know, the three voices completely left, right and center, which gave a new intimacy, to, to the to the singing. And the contract that he drew up for us was indeed not a big part. It was a multi record contract. And it did give us every single artistic prerogative that we needed to continue to believe in ourselves. Whereas Colombia wanted us to go there, Colombia became Sony. And they said, well, they sing well, but they have all the wrong repertoire. And if they can change that, now they they're talking about the wrong repertoire being wherever the flower is gone. 500 miles if I had a hammer, lemon tree, I mean, Albert Grossman, to me, was outside of the musicians themselves and the artists, the most profound influence in protecting the integrity, the taste integrity, that I didn't always do it with, with with gentleness, and he was a tough adversary. But I'll tell you something. He he was remarkable.
Pete Fornatale: I'm glad I asked the question. Listen, I remember when 10th anniversarys were a big deal. In fact, your first Greatest Hits was called 10 years together, then 25 became the magic number. And you celebrated that one with a PBS special. I am awash in memories of 40 year anniversaries this year. And I want to ask you, about a couple of them in chronological order. August 1963, the civil rights march on Washington. How did you come to be involved with that? Did you mark the 40th anniversary this past summer in any special way?
Peter Yarrow: Well, first, we got a call from Harry Belafonte to come down to the March on Washington, or maybe that was the Montgomery march. Otherwise, I don't remember who else would have done it. But I think it was Harry was the central organizing person for the performers that sang and if you see the new, the DVD, on the box set, you'll see Ossie Davis come up there and say the most wonderful make the most wonderful introduction before we sang blowing in the wind, he said, and now here to express musically. What has brought us together today is the folk singing group, Peter, Paul and Mary and that's, you know, a paraphrase. So the, it was, it was an extraordinary event. I myself, sang it Abyssinian Baptist Church in Atlanta, with Coretta Scott King and some other people I'd never been there to this year as part of the the events of Martin Luther King Day and his birthday, etcetera, etcetera. And it was interesting because they were saying at the gathering and the march thereafter, what would Martin have said, what would he have done in response to what's going on today with the Ashcroft debacle and the bush, debacle, et cetera, as we see it
Paul Stookey: and the pre emptive incursion into Iraq
Peter Yarrow: present preemptive strike as a policy to the absence of habeas corpus or due process for Guantanamo Bay detainees, etc. What would Martin have done?
Paul Stookey: And what would he have said standing in a circle of students at Northfield Mount Hermon high school students where my wife is a chaplain on Martin Luther King Day, was to reiterate the hope you know, they bring a kind of innocence and awareness that this is a day in history that has figured in their lives and their parents lives, but to sing blowing in the wind with them holding hands, you know, and to reiterate, the hopefulness for the country is very special.
Pete Fornatale: The song on the DVD is if I had hammer let's listen to that one on mixbag radio