TV TALK SHOWS
David Susskind 21:48
Why has he hedged today? Political consideration. Southern votes
Dr. Martin Luther King 21:53
I think it boils down to a fear of arousing eye of the southern congressman, many of whom hold the leadership and basic and important committees in Congress. And it may be that the President feels that his other legislative program can get through if he makes these senators and congressmen too angry on the civil rights issue. My position has been that this issue is a basic moral issue. I mean, the civil rights issue, and that many of the Southerners are going to take a stand against the President's legislative program. And we know the phase of his legislative program anyway. And it is better to go down taking a strong moral position than to lose out when you have heads down on a basic moral principle. And I think this is a choice before the President, he must start now making moral decisions, rather than purely political decisions. And I think in the final analysis, he will be supported in the country. It's very seldom that an individual in the political world has an opportunity to do that which is morally right and politically expedient, simultaneously. But I think this is one issue. That is morally right on the one hand and politically expedient on the other. I think the President will discover that if he took a forthright, courageous stand on this issue, he would get great support from from people all over the country, particularly in the big industrial, urban areas of the north and the west that in the final analysis, will elect the president.
David Susskind 23:55
Dr. King, will the coming showdown between Governor Wallace and the federal government on the admission of the two Nigro students to the University of Alabama, in your view, will that lead to new violence in Alabama? There are 1000 troops stationed there, the Negro community probably awaits the event. If Governor Wallace were to do a governor Barnett act and attempt to prevent the entry himself physically with his troops, would that lead to an outbreak of new violence?
Dr. Martin Luther King 24:28
Well, I think there is danger. There's a real possibility. Now in recent days, Governor Wallace has backed up a bit and he has gone on television calling for non violence and calling for peace and all that orderliness and how much influences will have I don't know. I feel now the governer Wallave has been under so much pressure from the public Political power structure of the state the economic power structure, the business leaders and the ecclesiastical power structure. The ministers from all over have said to government Wallace, this is the wrong course of action, the Attorney General of the State, the lieutenant governor. And I think he's been under so much pressure that he may change his course of action, and try to follow through on some token political promise that he made, yet at the same time trying to keep violence from erupting. If this happens, it may, it may be possible to prevent violence. On the other hand, if the governor over the next few days persists in his determination to stand in the door and place, the troops of state troopers of Alabama over against the trying to block the entrance of the Negro students. And then the showdown comes between the state and the federal government, there is a danger that the violent forces of the state will become so aroused that they will resort to violence and will unconsciously unconsciously feel that they are aided and abetted by Governor Wallace and and all that they're doing. So it's difficult to say, I think we must realize that it's a dangerous situation. And Governor Wallace has done a grave injustice not only to Alabama, but to the whole nation. By embarking on such an irresponsible course of action.
David Susskind 26:36
Dr. King has the pressure of events, and the frustration of the Negro, in seeking his rights. Made your philosophy your doctrine of non violence more difficult to preach effectively within your own people. Is there now a militancy that is damaging your, your theology of nonviolent?
Dr. Martin Luther King 27:05
Well, at this point? I don't think so. I must make it clear that I don't advocate a weak and sort of complacent, non violence. I advocate a militant non violence, a movement that moves on a resistance movement that does resist, but it does it non violently. Now, I am as impatient as anybody about the slow pace of the desegregation process. And I feel that we've got to move on in a very vigorous, forthright and determined manner. My only insistence is that it would be both impractical, and immoral to try to make violence, our major thrust to try to make violence a method that we will use to get to the goal of integration. And I as I said, I think it's just downright impractical even if one doesn't take the moral questions under consideration. Now, it is true that because of the failure of the forces of goodwill, to rally around the democratic ideal and the whole process of integration, many people in the negro community have become so impatient that they become bitter, and it is more difficult to get over. In a situation like this see the philosophy of non violence it makes the job much more difficult. When we are moving on and people see this creative outlet. It's easier for them to remain true to the non violent creed. But when things are slow, and even those who are leaders in the non violent movement are considered rabble rousers and agitators, then it does make the job much more difficult to get this philosophy over. And I will be the first one to admit that with the with the growth of the movement, and with it rising to such astronomical proportions in terms of numbers, and with all of the communities that are now rising up, it means that we are going to have to spend more times time and get more hands to help us work in these communities so that we will be sure that at least we've tried to get over the meaning of the whole philosophy of non violence.