TAPE: EF02/0240 IN_TIME: 14:15:52 DURATION: 4:38 SOURCES: APTN RESTRICTIONS: DATELINE: Los Angeles, California USA 21 March 2002 SHOTLIST 1. Oscar statue carried to place 2. WS venue front 3. MS crane at venue front 4. MS H Stern diamond collection 5. CU necklace 6. CU necklace 7. H Stern 'Red Carpet Collection' necklace (500-thousand US dollars) 8. SOT: (English) Joan Parker, Director Diamond Information Center, on the Red Carpet Diamond Collection "For all the pieces in there - each one that is going to be worn by someone on the red carpet, ten thousand dollars will be donated by the jeweller to AMFAR and H Stern has a piece that has the largest diamond of all of them in the collection - it's a 23-carat radiant cut diamond, the piece is worth around 500-thousand dollars and if someone has that on on Sunday night - 10-thousand dollars will go to AMFAR." 9. Various: Stuart Weitzman and his million dollar shoes 10. SOT: (English) Stuart Weitzman 'This shoe is a bargain! Now I know - I can see you raised your eyebrows to me - but you know that you can take the diamonds off the shoe and you make a double-banded fabulous bracelet. The top part makes a necklace, these little drops here - depending upon how hip you are can either be a navel ring or earrings - and then you can still wear the platinum shoe!" 11. Push into gems at Mary Magdalena Gem Cosmetics 12 Pull from pots of cosmetics 13 cu costmetic pot 14 cu logo 15. SOT: (English) Mary Magdalena "Well, what I have here is the most precious cosmetic line in the world because it's made of precious gemstone and it's very precious for the skin so there's amethysts, diamonds, rubies, jade, all of those gemstones are in the colour powders and the powders you can use for your lips, your eyes, your nails and your cheeks and it's very good for the skin. 16. Wide shot Timmy Woods handbags (carved out of wood) 17. CU USA flag handbag 18. Push to panda handbag 19. SOT: (English) Timmy Woods, Designer "Well, I think that accessories are really important and the emphasis is usually put on the clothing it's not put on the accessories and this is the year of the accessory. So therefore, let's get ourselves out there - let's show that we make wonderful things and let's get the women wearing them." 20. WS woman being made up at MAC salon 21 CU make up artist brushing face 22 CU eye 23. Pan off counter to woman being made up 24. Pan off sign Vidal Sassoon to woman having hair styled 25. CU woman having hair styled 26.WS woman making Oscar Cocktail 27. Cocktail being poured 28. C/a bottles 29 Woman picking up drink 30 Set-up shot, Donald Wressell in Four Seasons pastry kitchen 31. CU Wressell 32. Cu Oscar treat 33 Wressell dressing Oscar treat 34 pan to CU dressing treat 35. SOT: (English) Donald Wressell "What's good about the Four Seasons here in LA is I'm able to do all kinds of things that just really tap into my inspiration and skills and I can do many, many, many things for our guests - our guests are quite special and quite demanding - so I'm able to be pushed a little bit by them to be able to create new things." 36. VS annual chocolate sculpture homage to best picture oscar nominees HOLLYWOOD GRIPPED BY SPENDING FRENZY FOR OSCARS The countdown is on and Tinseltown is spending millions of dollars sprucing itself up in every way imaginable. With a global TV audience of around one billion it pays to dress to impress if you intend to grace the Academy Award's legendary red carpet. Across town from the Oscars venue, in the shopping nirvana of Beverly Hills, designers of every ilk are renting out suites in the some of the swankiest hotels to hawk their wares. You won't find the man on the street here, though - as these items are the necklaces, shoes, handbags, dresses and make-up that will be shimmer and shine on the red carpet on Oscar day. This week is hectic for The Diamond Information Centre. They have been co-ordinating with designers around the world for the creation of a 'Red Carpet Collection.' Among the designers who are hoping to have their goods seen are H Stern - who have created, necklaces that start at several thousand and quickly zoom into the millions - including one with a 23-carat diamond center piece, valued at 500 thousand dollars. But it isn't all about glamour. If a celebrity wears it on the big day - H Stern will make a 10-thousand dollar donation to amFAR - the American Foundation for AIDS research. Down the hall designer Stuart Weitzman is showing off his million dollar shoes. Weitzman dreamt up the idea after last year's Oscar ceremony and has made them a reality this year. They are made of platinum and diamond - but aren't just for strutting around on the red carpet. The diamond decoration can be taken off and worn as jewellery as well. Most celebrities borrow the glamorous jewels for the big day. But all the designers agree - if you'd like to buy your favourite piece afterwards, that's no problem. It is unlikely any star will arrive for the Academy Awards without their most glamorous face on and designer Maria Magdalena is hoping celebs will try out her new line of couture gem cosmetics. Magdalena, who is based in Holland, was a student of Chinese medicine when she discovered that Chinese Empresses used to crush pearls and diamonds into their make-up. She went on to develop a full line of cosmetics which she says harmonises the ancient power of the earth with high tech skin care. Among the gems she uses for her lip, eye and skin lotions and potions are rubies, diamonds, amethyst, jade and aquamarine. No outfit would be complete without a handbag and designer Timmy Woods is hoping to fill that gap with her wooden and hand-painted hand bags, starting at 200 dollars. Downstairs Mac make-up artists are busy at work dolling up everyone from reporters to celebrities. They then only need to cross the room to get a new coif from Vidal Sassoon's elite team of hair stylists. The average cost of a Oscar hairdo is a hair-raising 7 thousand dollars. Once you're all dolled up - it's back upstairs for a cocktail at Bacardi's O room - in case you're wondering - that's O for Orange. They've had a special cocktail designed for the big week, and hope it will make a big enough splash to tempt punters all year round. A couple of blocks away The Beverly Hills Four Seasons has their pastry chef Donald Wressell working overtime in order to give each guest an Oscar-themed chocolate treat. And to top off the whole experience, guests can get an eyeful on Wressell's annual chocolate homage to the five nominees for best picture.

Item title reads - Princess tours Japan. <br/> <br/>Princess Alexandra tours Japan and takes part in a tea ceremony. <br/> <br/>L/S of people walking towards the temples at Nara. Various shots of the ancient temples, Princess Alexandra walks along with the Buddhist priests, people wave and crowd around as she walks through. The crowd wave Japanese flags, one elderly man has Union Jack. Children smile and wave. Camera pans down oldest Buddhist temple. Children stand around, C/U of a little girl looking solemn. L/S as the party walks around the outside of the temples. <br/> <br/>Good M/S of two Geisha girls in garden walking in front of misty lake and trees in Kyoto. The Princess walks along and takes part in traditional tea ceremony at the Cento (?) palace. Various shots of the Geisha girls giggling and bowing, various shots of the ceremony as the tea is poured out in ritual. Various shots as she drinks it and compliments them. C/U of one girl. M/S of three Geisha girls in traditional make-up. C/U of one under her umbrella. Lovely shot of two swans swimming down the river with the bridge in the background. Princess Alexandra walks across the bridge under an umbrella. M/S of rain on the lake. Various shots of the Geisha girls including good C/U's. Various shots as they dance with their fans for the Princess. <br/> <br/>L/S of Pearl Island. M/S of sign reading 'Mikimoto Pearl Island', this is where pearls are cultivated. The Princess sails across and goes ashore. Various shots of girls walking along with their baskets, they get on boats. The Princess watches as they dive in for the oysters. M/S pile of oysters, a woman opens an oyster and takes out the pearl. M/S of hundreds of pearls being poured out of a bag and spread on the table. Good shots of the pearl divers smiling and holding the Princess's arms in affectionate way, she looks amused.

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IRWIN STILLMAN 19445 12/27/70 WHERE THE BEAUTIFUL PEOPLE SWING DEREK HALL - CAINE, ELAINE KAUFMAN, PIERRE GROLEAU, OLEG CASSINI, WARNER LEROY 19445 01/24/71 THE PRO AND CON OF THE JEWISH DEFENSE LEAGUE PRO: RABBI MEIR KAHANE, NBERTRAM ZWEIBON, DOV SPERLING, JOSHUA JOFFEE CON: RABBI MARC TANENBAUM, MORRIS ABRAM, RABBI ARTHUR SCHNEIER, ARNOLD FORSTER 19457 01/31/71 LANDLORDS AND TENANTS AT WAR LANDLORDS: ROBERT KOENIG, WILLIAM MOSES, ABRAHAM KATZ, ROBERT MALOOF TENANTS: RUDY TOLBERT, VERTELLE X REEDER, REVEREND WILFREDO VELEZ, BERNARD LEONARD 19456 02/07/71 BEAUTIFUL ACTRESSES TURNED AUTHORS - VIVA, DIANE CILENTO, JOANNA BARNES 19831, 19458 02/14/71 ARE YOU HUNG UP AND NEUROTIC? 6 PSYCHIATRISTS! DR. NATHANIEL ROSS, DR. ROBERT JAY LIFTON, DR. ABRAHAM WEINBERG, DR. CHARLES SOCARIDES, DR. ANDREW FERBER, DR. CYRIL FRANKS 19459 02/21/71 ROCK MUSIC THAT SOUNDS GOOD: SEALS AND CROFTS! JIMMY SEALS AND DASH CROFTS 19460 02/28/71 HOW TO CONQUER THE FEAR OF DEATH DR. MORTON M. KLIGERMAN, MRS. 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TOM WICKER, SHELDON HACKNEY, A.J.COOPER, WILLIAM EMERSON, BRANDT AYERS, BETTY TALMADGE, BARRY BINGHAM 27820 02/06/77 THE TRUTH ABOUT SPORTS - FUNNY, GLAMOROUS AND SEEDY RED SMITH, DAN JENKINS, DICK SCHAPP, MORRIE SIEGEL, DAVE ANDERSON, PETE AXTHELM 27821 02/13/77 NEVER AGAIN - TEH BITTER LEGACY OF VIETNAM WILLIAM COLBY, DAVID HALBERSTAM, GLORIA EMERSON 27823 02/20/77 PART I: THE BARE FACTS ABOUT BALDNESS JERRY DELLA FEMINA, KENNETH BATTELLE, ROBERT TEMLIAK, ELLIOT NONAS, DENIS LAMARSH, DR.JAY BARNETT 27824 02/20/77 PART II: GET THE COCKROACHES OUT OF YOUR HOME ALICE GRAY, NORMAN COOPER, RICHARD ELDREDGE, NORMAN GOLDENBERG 27824 03/06/77 PART I: SINGLES IN THE SUBURBS LINDA NARD, JEFF BEAL, SARA HUDSON, KELLY EMMONS, ED ZEIDNER, JACQUE DEJOHN, GENE MIKOLS, KITTY GREENSETIN 27827 03/06/77 PART II: REGGAE MUSIC TIMOTHY WHITE, MICHAEL COOPER, STEPHEN COORE, PERRY HENZELL, BARBARA GLOUDEN, MAX ROMEO, BRETT ALEXANDER 27827 03/13/77 PART I: CONVERSATION WITH A PIMP TOM 27829 03/20/77 HOW TO GET RID OF YOUR HEADACHES A.PATIENTS - JOELLA CRAMBLIT, BEN SMITH, JAMES ANDERSON, SHERRY HUBER B.EXPERTS - DR.DAVID CODDON, DR.SEYMOUR DIAMOND, DR.CHARLES DEMIRJIAN, DR.WALTER CASKEY 27825 03/27/77 GORE VIDAL UNCENSORED 27832 04/03/77 TEENAGE MUGGERS CONFESS A.MUGGERS: JOHN,BILL,MIKE,PETER SAVAGE,MICHELLE,TOM,GENE B.BLACK KIDS WHO'VE MADE IT: CARLOS GRIFFITH, VERNICE MILLER, GEORGE O'NEAL LYONS, VIETTA JOHNSON, ROBERT HARPER 27830 05/01/77 PART I: HOW CHILDREN FEEL ABOUT THEMSELVES AND THE WORLD AROUND THEM KARA ZAITZ, JEREMIAH & JOSHUA COHEN, CLAUDE BROOKS, AISSIA RICHARDSON, MATTHEW NEWTON, ORIANA ZILL, POLLY ERICKSEN, PETER BURRIS, ADAM MICHAELS 27835 05/01/77 PART II: EXPERTS ON CHILD BEHAVIOR DR.LEE SALK, DR.NICHOLAS ZILL, PEGGY CHARREN 27835 05/08/77 PART I: WE'VE COME A LONG WAY: WOMEN MOVIE MAKERS NANCY DOWD, BARBARA KOPPLE, ELEANOR PERRY, JOAN MICKLIN, SILVER 27836 05/15/77 PART I: WHERE THE BEAUTIFUL PEOPLE EAT PEARL WONG, ARMANDO ORSINI, PAUL KOVI, SHELDON TANNEN, WALLY GANZI, WARNER LEROY 27838 05/15/77 PART II: ARE WE A NATION OF JUNK FOOD JUNKIES? JOHN HESS, MIMI SHERATON, MARVIN HEAPS, DAVID SISK, WEXLER, CALVIN TRILLIN 27838 05/22/77 YOU CAN SURVIVE A PLANE CRASH - HERE'S HOW A.SURVIVORS: ALAN BRESLAU, JANET MACAA, DICK SMITH, SARAH UZZELL B.EXPERTS: JAMES O.ROBINSON, HARRY ROBERTSON, CAPT.RAY GERBER, CAPT.J.D.SMITH, RICHARD WITKIN, CHARLES O. 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HEYMANN, STEPHANIE KAPILIAN, BOB EVANS 32139 11/09/80 - 10/04/81 PART II: NO KIDS FOR US PLEASE SNNE SEIFERT, WALTER CALLAHAN, BARBARA COFFEY, DOROTHY WILSON, IVAN MENDELSON 32139 11/16/80 - 07/12/81 PART I: LIFE AFTER DARK - NIGHT PEOPLE TELL ALL RICHARD WEXLER, CINDY CAPALDO, BLEECKER BOB PLOTNIK, ABLE ABEL, SAVARIO COSTANZA 33601 11/23/80 - 09/20/81 PART I: WOMEN RATE MEN: LOVERS AND LOSERS NAN ROBERTSON, SUSANNA HOFFMAN, CAROL BOTWIN 32136 11/30/80 PART I: THE JEANING OF AMERICA: MODELS, MOGULS AND MAKERS JOSEPH NAKASH (JORDACHE), PAUL GUEZ (SASSOON), WARREN HIRSH (GLORIA VANDERBILT) 33603 11/30/80 PART II: NOT FOR WOMEN ONLY - MEN'S COSMETICS TONY CARVETTE (GEORGETTE KLINGER), TOM DAY (CLINIQUE), JAN STUART (JAN STUART), CHIP TOLBERT (MENS FASHION ASSOCIATION), PAUL WILMOT (HALSTON) 33603 12/07/80 - 08/02/81 PART II: A CONVERSATION WITH MICHAEL THOMAS MICHAEL THOMAS, AUTHOR GREEN MONDAY 33609 12/14/80 - 07/18/81 PART I: ARE LAWYERS RUINING OUR LIVES? PHILIP M. STERN, GEOFFREY C. HAZARD, FRANK R. ROSINY, ALAN B. MORISON, JUDGE WILLIAM B. LAWLESS 33607 12/14/80 PART II: NORMAN DACEY, ROSEMARY FURMAN 33607 12/21/80 - 08/30/81 PART I: FEELING GOOD ALL UNDER - THE ELEGANT NEW LINGERIE REBECCA ASPAN, BELL TICE, ORA FEDER, DAVID STIFFLER, SAMI 33613 12/21/80 - 08/30/81 PART II: BEST FRIENDS AND BEST SELLERS CONSUELO BAEHR, SUSAN ISAACS, HILMA WOLITZER 33613 12/28/80 THE REMARKABLE JONATHAN SCHWARTZ - A SPECAL PERFORMANCE JONATHAN SCHWATRZ 33612 01/11/81 - 09/13/81 PART I: THE INCREDIBLE WORLD OF MOTHER TERESA JOYCE DAVIDSON SUSSKIND 33608 01/11/81 - 09/13/81 PART II: HOW TO SUCCEED? GO TO BUSINESS SCHOOL SUSAN THOMAS, JED DALY, ROBERT FRIEDMAN, JAY ESSEY. ELIZABETH CLOSTERMAN 33608 01/18/81 - 04/15/84 PART I: WATCH YOUR LANGUAGE JOHN SIMON, RICHARD MITCHELL, EDWIN NEWMAN 33611 01/18/81 PART II: WHERE THE BODIES ARE BURIED - WASHINGTON LOWDOWN DONALD LAMBRO, CHARLES PETERS, MICHAEL J. MALBIN, FRANK SILBEY 33611 01/25/81 PART II: HOW TO IMPROVE YOUR EATING HABITS RICHARD S. RIVLIN M.D., RICHARD PASSWATER, DR. ROBERT PALMER, JOSEPH RECHTSCHAFFEN M.D. 33616 02/08/81 - 08/23/81 PART I: TAKE THOSE INCHES OFF! SHAPE UP WITH EXCERCISE MARJORIE CRAIG, LYDIA BACH, CHARLES GAINES, MARUSCHKA 33614 02/08/81 - 08/23 81 PART II: THE ESTABLISHMENT LEONARD AND MARK SILK, STEPHEN BIRMINGHAM 33614 02/15/81 CELEBRITY WATCHING WITH LIZ SMITH, TAKI, JAMES BRADY AND JODY JACOBS 33620 02/22/81 HOW TO SURVIVE AND PROSPER IN THE 80'S HOWARD RUFF, DOUGLAS CASEY, JEROME SMITH, THOMAS HOLT 33621 03/01/81 - 08/09/81 PART 1: PRETTY BABIES - THE NEW TEEN AGE MODELS BETTINA, LORI LOUGHLIN, CATHLEEN ESS, FELICE SCHACHTER, LENA REID 33619 03/01/81 - 08/09/81 PART II: ARE YOUR CHILDREN BECOMING ADULTS TOO SOON? DR. AARON HASS, PATRICIA O'BRIEN, ARTHUR KORNHABER M.D., ADELE HOFFMAN, M.D. 33619 03/08/81 BIGOTRY RIDES AGAIN WILLIAM SLOANE COFFIN, ARNOLD FORSTER, WILLIAM A. FUSHER, CONGRESSMAN JOHN CONYERS, DR. M. MORAN WESTON 33622 03/15/81 THE BATTLE FOR SURVIVAL - THE AMERICAN AUTO INDUSTRY WENDELL H. MILLER, STEPHEN L. SCHLOSSBERG, TOM HANNA, JERRY FLINT, DAVID HEALY 33623 03/22/82 - 07/26/81 PART I: POURING OUT YOUR TROUBLES - BARTENDERS TELL ALL PADDY QUINN, CHARLIE SCHOENEMAN, RAY FOLEY, JOHN "SHIRTS" HUGHES, KITTY FITZKE 33615 03/22/81 - 07/26/81 PART II: TWINS WHO MARRIED TWINS BARBI GOLDENBERG, D.D.S., BRUCE GOLDENBERG, D.D.S., CHERYL GOLDENBERG, D.D.S., BARRY GOLDENBERG, D.D.S., 33615 03/29/81 - 09/27/81 THE MORAL MAJORITY ON THE WAR PATH DR. TIM LA HAYE, DR. DAN C. FORE, SENATOR FRANK CHURCH. DR. DANIEL C. MAQUIRE 33624 04/05/81 - 08/16/81 PART I: WOMEN AND SUCCESS - MAKING IT TO THE TOP JUDY MELLO, ANNE P. HYDE, SUSAN HOROWITZ, PAULA D. HUGHES, JO FOXWORTH 33625 04/05/81 - 08/16/81 - 05/06 84 PART II: THE TRUTH ABOUT SENILITY ROBERT N. BUTLER, M.D., DENNETH L. DAVIS, M.D., DR. PETER DAVIES, DR. ROSE ROBROF 33625 04/12/81 PART I: BANKS ON THE BRINK MURIEL SIEBERT, LEE GUNDERSON, H. ERICH HEINEMANN, WILLIAM E. DONOGHUE, DR. SAUL B. KLAYMAN 33626 04/12/81 - 05/20/84 PART II: DOCTORS WIVES CARLA FINE, LINDA SHIPLEY, LINDA SEDA, LORI TAYLOR 33626 04/26/81 THE AMERICAN MILITARY MACHINE: ARE WE READY FOR BATTLE? CONGRESSMAN JIM COURTER, BARRY R. POSEN, BRIGADIER GENERAL ALBION KNIGHT JR., EDWARD LUTTWALK, GENERAL VOLNEY F. WARNER 33628 05/10/81 FROM HOLLYWOOD TO BROADWAY - PART II: MCCANN AND NUGENT NELLE NUGENT AND ELIZABETH MCCANN 33631 05/18/81 PART I: HOMELESS AND HELPLESS - PEOPLE WHO LIVE ON THE STREETS ANN MARIE ROUSSEAU, WILLIAM KUEHNE, ANTON GALENOS, SELMA (MARIE) PRICE, SYD ROLFS, VERONICA (VIRGINIA) WILLIAMS, GENE PALMER 33632 05/17/81 PART II: SPORTS AMERICAN STYLE: BIG, BRUISING BUSINESS DICK SHAAP, PETER BONVENTRE, MIKE LUPICA, DAN JENKINS 33632 05/24/81 PART I: SURVIVALISTS: PREPARING FOR DOOMSDAY KURT SAXON, JOSEPH RUSTICK M.D., ROBERT FIRTH, GENE AND PEARL TARMAN 33633 05/24/81 PART II: DELAYED MOTHERHOOD - HAVING CHILDREN AT AGE 35 JULIE HOUSTON, LYNN POVICH, JACQULINE PESUT, LUISA LA VIOLA, DR. PEGGY EWING 33633 06/07/81 PART II: A VANISHING BREED - THE PROFESSIONAL VOLUNTEER VIVIAN HARRIS, MARY LINDSAY, JEAN DELAFIELD, ISABELLE STEVENSON, GLORIA W. MILLIKEN 33635 06/14/81 PART II: THE TRUTH ABOUT THE TONY AWARDS ALEXANDER H. COHEN, HILDY PARKS 33636 06/21/81 PART I: REPORT FROM THREE DOCTORS - THE LATEST IN MEDICINE ISADORE ROSENFELD, M.D., DR. JOHN H. LARAGH, DR. JOSEPH WILDER 33630 06/21/81 PART II: HOW TO SUE WITHOUT A LAWYER JOHN STRIKER, ANDREW SHAPIRO 33630 06/28/81 PART I: SHOW BUSINESS COUPLES RENEE TAYLOR, JOSEPH BOLOGNA, MERGE REDMOND, JACK WESTON 33634 06/28/81 PART II: WHO REMEMBERS CARTER - JOSEPH CALIFANO DOES, THAT'S WHO 33634 10/11/81 - 08/08/82 STARTING OVER AFTER DIVORCE: MIDDLE AGED SINGLES RICHARD SCHICKEL, ANNE PARK, MARTHA HUGHES, STEVEN BRALOVE, RITA MCDOWELL 33637 10/18/81 - 08/01/82 PART I: THE REAL CHORUS LINE: BROADWAY DANCERS DONNA DRAKE, BOB HEATH, MARYBETH KURDOCK, DAVID EVANS, RON SCHWINN, JOAN BELL, DEAN BADOLATE, MARY ANN NILES 33638 10/18/81 - 08/01/82 PART II: FACES IN THE CROWD - MOVIE EXTRAS ROZ BRAVERMAN, ANDREW MURPHY, BARRY WISEMAN, SHANNON SORIN, VELA CERES 33638 10/25/81 PART I: MAKING MARRIAGE WORK: MARRIAGE COUNSELORS LAURA SINGER, DR. ROBERT RYDER, DR. MEL KRANTZLER, DR. FREDERICK HUMPHREY 35451 10/25/81 PART II: DIVORCE MEDIATORS DR. JOHN M. HAYNES, LAWRENCE GAUGHAN, SAMUEL MARGUILES, VIRGINIA STAFFORD 35451 11/01/81 WHAT PLASTIC SURGERY CAN DO FOR YOU DR. RALPH MILLARD, DR. CHRISTOPHER WEATHERLEY-WHITE, DR. BRUCE CONNELL, DR. MICHAEL HOGAN 35452 11/08/81 - 07/18/82 PART II: THE MYSTERY OF SLEEP DR. RICHARD BOOTZIN, DR. QUENTIN REGESTEIN, DR. ELLIOT WEITZMAN 35453 11/15/81 PART I: MOTHERS WITHOUT CUSTODY ELLEN KIMBALL, "JACKIE", BARBARA 35455 11/15/81 PART II: CAMPUS CONSERVATIVES KEENEY JONES, JOHN GOODWIN, BENNETT COOPER, TERRY QUIST 35455 11/22/81 PART I: A TALK WITH FATHER THEODORE HESBURGH 34556 11/29/81 - 07/04/82 PART I: THE SWINGERS PARADISE OF CLUB MED ROD FRANKEL, DOREEN WOODRUM, SUSAN FRAYTUS, RICKY DETRES, BOB LEIGHTON, CLAUDE KEBBE 35454 11/29/81 - 07/04/82 PART II: RETURN TO THE NEST STEPHANIE GANGI, TOM RIPP, FRANK SCHIRALLI, SCOTT MARTONE, ANGELA DIVERGILIO 35454 12/20/81 - 06/27/82 PART I: DON'T GO NEAR THE WATER! ELEGANT NEW SWIMWEAR LIZA BRUCE, ANNE COLE, STANLEY REGENBOGAN, FRANK FRIEND, MIRIAM RUZOW 35459 12/20/81 - 06/27/82 - 01/08/84 - 07/22/84 - 02/16/86 PART II: ALL ABOUT HANGOVERS DAVID OUTERBRIDGE, NELSON DEMILLE, PETER WALSH, HERBERT GOULD, M.D. 35459 01/03/82 PART I: AN INTERVIEW WITH GLADYCE BEGELMAN: CO-AUTHOR OF "NEW YORK ON $1000.00 A DAY" 35457 01/03/82 - 08/29/82 - 04/01/84 PART II: CAN YOU ERASE THOSE WRINKLES? THE TRUTH ABOUT SILICON AND COLLAGEN DR. LEWIS FEDER. DR. ROBERT AUERBACH, DR. JAMES LEYDEN 35457 01/20/82 - 07/25/82 PART I: TOUGHLOVE: PARENTS FIGHT BACK PHYLLIS AND DAVID YORK, LANE PEER, RICHARD SURVING, JEAN BAKER WUNDER 35459 01/10/82 - 07/25/82 PART II: ALL ABOUT CATS ANITRA FRAZIER, SIMON BOND, SAMANTHA SUSSKIND, JERRY BENISATTO, PATRICIA NELL WARREN, RICHARD GEBHARDT 35459 01/17/82 - 08/15/82 PART I: WEIGHT LOSS NORMA SKOPIN, STEVE SILVA, GERALDINE O'CONNOR, ANNE MCCARTHY, IRENE CURTIN 35459 01/17/82 - 08/15/82 - 03/25/84 - 09/16/84 - 02/09/86 - 07/06/86 PAT II: "LISA H." OPERATION LINTON WHITAKER, M.D., JAMES KATOWITZ, M.D., DEREK BRUCE, M.D., CH.B 35462 01/24/82 "NO MR. PRESIDENT, WE'RE NOT BETTER OFF" PART I: VICTIMS OF THE BUDGET CUTS MATILDE COLON, ZELDA WEINER, MARY GARBUTT, MURIEL ZGARDOWSKI, MARY GALE 35463 02/07/82 - 09/26/82 PART I: BACHELORS OF THE MONTH MICHAEL JEFFREY GRIFFITH, PETER KUHN, O. STEVEN FREDRICKSON, JIM ZERBE, JOEL DIAMOND 35465 02/07/82 - 09/26/82 PART II: CHIROPRACTORS VS. M.D.'S DR. STEPHEN BARRETT, LOUIS SPORTELLI, D.C., CHESTER WILK, D.C., REUBEN HOPPENSTEIN, M.D. 35465 02/21/82 WHO'S HOT, WHO'S NOT - WHO'S IN, WHO'S OUT - THE LATEST GOSSIP MADELLEINE SCHAAP, MAXINE MESSINGER, LIZ SMITH, JAMES BRADY, BOB COLACELLO 35467 02/28/82 PART I: ASTROLOGERS PREDICRT WHAT'S IN THE STARS FOR 1982 MARIA ELISA CRUMMERE, MARTIN SCHULMAN, DARRELL MARTINI, MAE WILSON-LUDLAM 35464 02/28/82 PART II: SABINA SHALOM 35464 03/07/82 THE WILD WORLD OF SPORTS DICK SCHAPP, DAN JENKINS, MIKE LUPICA, DAVE ANDERSON, MIKE DOWNEY 35469 03/07/82 TRAVELLING SALESMEN JIM O'CONNOR, JOEL KATZ, JIM PRENDERGAST, DICK ORNSTEIN 35469 03/14/82 - 07/11/82 CRIMINALS ARE GETTING AWAY WITH MURDER PHIL SEELIG, BILL CLARK, JUDGE EDWIN TORRES, SEYMOUR WISHMAN 35471 03/21/82 - 09/12/82 PART I: ARE WOMEN THEIR OWN WORST ENEMIES? MARY VANN HUNTER, MONIQUE VAN VOOREN, KATHRYN LIVINGSTON, DORIS LILLY 35471 03/21/82 - 09/12/82 PART II: NICE GIRLS DO DR. IRENE KASSORLA 35471 04/04/82 - 08/29/82 SUPERMOMS COLETTE ROSSANR, KATHRYN DARROW, MEG WHITCOMB, PENNY HAWKEY 35470 04/18/82 PUBLIC SERVICE OR PUBLIC RIP OFF? - UTILITIES EDWARD LARKIN, EDWARD HYNES, THOMAS FITZPATRICK, KAREN BURSTEIN, CAROL BARGER, ALFRED NARDELLI 35473 04/25/82 ON THE VERGE OF RUIN: AMERICA'S DESPERATE FARMERS NITA GIBSON, WAYNE CRYTS, JOHN STULP, PETER CURRA, VAREL BAILEY 35476 05/02/82 COUNTDOWN TO DOOMSDAY: THE NUCLEAR ARMS DEBATE ADMIRAL ELMO ZUMWALT, DR. DANIEL MACGUIRE, DR. SCOTT THOMPSON, JACK GEIGER, M.D., FRITZ ERMARTH, CONGRESSMAN THOMAS DOWNEY 35477 05/09/82 PART I: FAST AND FUNNY - COLLEGE DEBATERS DAVID BAILIN, HARRY WALTERS, LARRY EICHENFIELD, EDWARD O'TOOLE, DAVID KIDD, J.J. GERTLER, GRANT OLIPHANT, RICHARD SOMMER 35473 05/09/82 PART II: VIDEO GAME CRAZE EDWIN VELAQUEZ, CRAIG ROSS, JEFF LOMBARDI, OPHELLA VONBRANDON, JOHNNY ZADUBARA, NANDO RAMOS, MICHAEL BLANCHET 35473 05/23/82 - 10/03/82 "I'M ON WELFARE AND I HATE IT" - A WELFARE MOTHER SHARON HUNT 35478 05/30/82 PART I: NOT FOR MEN ONLY - BLUE COLLAR WOMEN TINA NANNARONE, LAURA SCHWARTZ, JANE KELLEY, SHARON HOLMES, JUDY HUGHES 35480 05/30/82 PART II: OUT OF CASH - TRY BARTER ANNIE PROULX, JERRY WEINER, GENE HOLYZMAN, CONNIE STAPLETON 35480 06/13/82 WHO CAN AFFORD COLLEGE ANYMORE? - PART I: ADMINISTRATORS JAMES POWELL, STEPHEN TRACHTENBERG, WILLIAM MAXWELL, HARVEY GROTRAIN 35482 06/13/82 WHO CAN AFFORD COLLEGE ANYMORE? - PART II: PARENTS JOSEPH ZULLO, JOHN KAUFMAN, FREDERIC KRAMER, GLORIA GATTI, ALEXANDRA GREELEY 35482 06/20/82 NO MORE LAND OF PLENTY NORMAN BERG, KREKEL KARCH, NEIL SAMPSON 35484 06/20/82 CAREER COUNSELORS JOHN CRYSTAL, STANLEY HYMAN, ROBERT SWAIN, IRENE ANSHER 35484 10/24/82 - 08/28/83 TOP TRIAL LAWYERS DEMONSTRATE THE ART OF JURY SELECTION PHILIP CORBOY, HAROLD PRICE FAHRINGER, AARON BRODER, BILL COLSON 35483 10/31/82 - 07/17/83 PART I: COCAINE: A 30 BILLION DOLLAR EPIDEMIC ROBERT MILLMAN, M.D., ANDY KOWL, TOM HENDERSON, "AMY" "A.J.", "LIZA" 35475 11/21/82 - 01/26/86 - 05/25/86 - 08/17/86 PART I: DOLLAR A DANCE - TAXI DANCERS ARIEL LUCAS, PAUL PRICKETT, PENNY PRUCHA, ELLEN STOKES, CAROL SUNDQUIST 37030 02/27/83 PART II: THE MYSTERY OF THE COMMON COLD STEVEN MOSTOW, M.D., R. GORDON DOUGLAS, M.D., SANFORD CHODOSH, M.D., HYLAN BICKERMAN, MN.D., JOHN ABELES, M.D. 37042 03/06/83 PART I: ANGRY CRIME VICTIMS DIANI MONTENEGRO, SHIRLEY BERNSTEIN, GUILIA PAGANO, ROBERT GRAYSON, DR. MICHAEL ROBINSON 37047 03/20/83 - 06/10/84 PART I: PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATES JAMES IRVIN GLOVER, GRADY O'CUMMINGS III, LESTER BYERLEY, GERARD HIMMELMAN 37049 05/22/83 - 08/07/83 PART I: LONELINESS JANE ADAMS, JOAN GOULD, JOHN HOLLANDER, MURRAY KELLMAN, MAURA SWANSON 37058

Note: Location of events unknown. <br/> <br/>Titles read: "WELL PLASTERED ! or beauty while you wait." <br/> <br/>M/S of beautician helping young women into apron inside beauty parlour. The female commentator says "Every women desires that pearl without a price - a good complexion. And those who have one are just as keen on keeping it." The young lady sits down in a chair. C/U beautician putting large rubber band over the woman's head to protect it from grease. C/Us of beautician cleansing the woman's skin. C/Us of woman's face muscles being stimulated. C/Us of oil being painted onto the woman's face. The commentator says <br/> <br/>"The application commences with an upward movement giving the sagging muscles complete support and removing those tell tales lines." C/U of rubber face mask being placed on the woman. Several C/Us of the mask being removed. C/Us of beautician putting make-up on the young lady. Finally the lashes are curled. M/S of the woman sitting in in chair looking at her self in pocket mirror. She looks very pleased with the finished result.

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STANLEY JUDD, IAN ANDERSON 30702 CHICAGO 10/12/78 10/29/78 PART I: CAN CARTER CUT IT IN 1980 HENRY GRUNWALD, NICHOLAS VON HOFFMAN, JERALD TER HORST, WILLIAM RUSHER 30706 CHICAGO 10/12/78 10/29/78 PART II: PSYCHICS WHO SOLVE CRIME DOROTHY ALLISON, BEVERLY JAEGERS, DAVID HOY, MIKE CASALE, SAL LUBERTAZZI 30706 CHICAGO 10/21/78 11/05/78 PART I: THE SWINGERS' PARADISE -- PLATO'S RETREAT MARY & LARRY LEVINSON, BONNIE & JACK, PHIL NOBILE 30709 CHICAGO, DC 10/21/78 11/05/78 PART II: "THE DOOMSDAY TAPES" BARDYL TIRANA, HERBERT SCOVILLE, LEONARD REIFEL, LEON GOURE 30709 05/31/78 11/12/78 THEY'RE STILL THE FUNNIEST MEN AROUND -- VETERAN COMICS MAC ROBBINS, JIMMY JOYCE, LARRY BEST, MICKEY FREEMAN, JOEY FAYE, LOU MENCHELL 29241 DC 11/04/78 11/19/78 PART I: DRESS FOR SUCCESS -- LOOK LIKE A MILLION -- MAKE A MILLION JOHN WEITZ, JOHN T. MOLLOY, EMILY CHO, WILLIAM THOURLBY, ROBERT L. GREEN 30710 CHICAGO 05/04/78 11/19/78 PART II: SUPER SALESMEN JOE GIRARD, LOIS BECKER, TOM WOLFF, BOB SHOOK 30710 CHICAGO 11/08/78 11/26/78 PART I: STARTLING STORIES OF LIFE AFTER DEATH DR. MAURICE RAWLINGS, CHARLES MCKAIG, VIRGINIA FALCY, KENNETH RING, HELEN NELSON, DR. MICHAEL SABOM 30712 CHICAGO 11/08/78 11/26/78 PART II: ANGRY CITIZENS VS THE POST OFFICE JAMES FINCH, BOB GRANT, ROBERT MEYERS, JAMES LAPENTA, PAT BRENNAN 30712 CHICAGO 11/22/78 12/03/78 PART I: SURGEON/SALESMAN -- BILL MACKAY 30714 DC 11/22/78 12/03/78 PART II: LONELY, UNHAPPY & BROKE -- DISPLACED HOMEMAKERS FLORENCE GRIFFIN, JACQUELINE BACHMAN, LESLIE WALD WALDHORN, SANDRA JACOBS, JANE LEE LITTLETON 30714 CHICAGO, DC 12/02/78 12/10/78 PART I: IF BETTY FORD COULD DO IT...ALL ABOUT FACELIFTS RICHARD KIELING, LILLIAM FRASER, D. RALPH MILLARD, M.D., DORIS LILLY, MICHAEL HOGAN, M.D. 30716 CHICAGO 12/02/78 12/10/78 PART II: TO JOG OR NOT TO JOG DAVID BRODY, M.D., DAVID NOONAN, RICHARD A. SCHWARTZ, M.D., RICHARD RESTAK, M.D., PAUL FETSCHER 30716 CHICAGO 09/16/78 12/17/78 WE WANT A BABY -- NEW HOPE FOR INFERTILE COUPLES A. PATIENTS: SUSAN & LEE WELLING, CAROL & ERNEST D'ANGELO, CATHY & JOHN SCOTT B. EXPERTS: DR. WAYNE DECKER, DR. ALVIN GOLDFARB, DR. RICHARD SHERINS, BARBARA ECK MENNING, DR. LUIGI MASTROIANNI 30701 11/29/78 12/24/78 PART I: YOUR PAMPERED PET -- FROM SHRINK TO MINK DR. PETER BORCHELT, DR. DANIEL TORTORA, DR. ALBERT LAMPASSO, MORDECAI SEGAL, LOIS LANDAUER, KAREN THOMPSON, GEORGE JEWEL 30715 CHICAGO 11/29/78 12/24/78 PART II: MIND YOUR MANNERS -- THE NEW ETIQUETTE LETITIA BALDRIGE, JUDITH MARTIN, MARJABELLE YOUNG STEWART 30715 CHICAGO 10/07/78 01/14/79 06/24/79 PART I: THE DIET THAT CAN SAVE YOUR LIFE -- PRO & CON A. PATIENTS: BILL UTTAL, JULIE BREAKSTONE, FRED SILVER, DR. HARRY PARKER, JOE HUME B. EXPERTS: NATHAN PRITIKIN, DR. SAMI SASHIM, DR. ROBERT E. BAUER, DR. STEPHEN SCHEIDT 30704 CHICAGO 10/12/78 01/14/79 06/24/79 PART II: A CONVERSATION WITH THE BRILLIANT PETER USTINOV 30704 CHICAGO 12/09/78 01/21/79 PART I: THE PRIEST WHO FIGHTS PIMPS FATHER BRUCE RITTER 30711 CHICAGO, DC 11/04/78 01/21/79 PART II: MAKING INFLATION WORK FOR YOU HARRY BROWNE, DAN DORFMAN 30711 CHICAGO, DC 12/09/78 01/28/79 PART I: LONG LINES, SHORT TEMPERS -- THE AIRPORT MESS KAY SLOMAN, HARRY KLETTER, ROB MANGOLD, FRED FORD, KAREN ZUPKO, STEVE BIRNBAUM 30717 CHICAGO, DC 12/09/78 01/28/79 PART II: ARE YOU REALLY IN LOVE? DR. DEBORA PHILLIPS, DR. CHARLIE SHEDD, DR. STANTON PEELE 30717 CHICAGO, DC 01/13/79 02/04/79 PART I: WE ARE BI-SEXUALS LARRY KANE, TONI TUCCI, DR. FRED KLEIN, "JULIA", "JOANNE" 30720 CHICAGO, DC 01/27/79 02/04/79 PART II: TREASURE HUNTERS MEL FISHER, EUGENE LYON, ART MCKEE 30720 CHICAGO, DC 01/06/79 02/11/79 INSIDE THE CULTS: THE TERRIFYING TRUTH FROM EX-MEMBERS PART 1 - EX-MEMBERS: SUSAN SMITH, CHRIS EDWARDS, MORRIS DEUTSCH, STEVE HASSAN, ANDREW STUBBS PART II - EXPERTS: FLO CONWAY, JIM SEIGELMAN, GALEN KELLY, DR. JOHN CLARK 30718 CHICAGO, DC 01/27/79 02/18/79 PART I: MEN WHO ARE KEPT BY WOMEN: TRUE CONFESSIONS REAL, MICHEL, MARK, PAUL, LOU 30721 CHICAGO, DC 01/27/79 02/18/79 PART II: THE TRUTH ABOUT ASPIRIN DR. LOUIS ALEDORT, DR. THOMAS KANTOR, DR. DAVID CODDON, PAUL E. SCHINDLER 30721 CHICAGO, DC 02/03/79 02/25/79 PART I: BEAUTIFUL WOMEN SHARE THEIR SECRETS (HOSTED BY JOYCE SUSSKIND) BEVERLY SASSOON, ADRIEN ARPEL, CRISTINA FERRARE 30722 CHICAGO, DC 02/03/79 02/25/79 PART II: WHEN YOUR PARENTS GROW OLD JOHN PERRY, RITA SIGLER, BARBARA FELDMAN, MARIE CARROLL, JERRY ORNSTEIN 30722 CHICAGO, DC 02/10/79 03/04/79 TRUMAN CAPOTE TELLS ALL TRUMAN CAPOTE 30723 CHICAGO (T), UCLA (2"), DC 11/18/78 03/11/79 PART I: WE CAN'T STOP DIETING -- VICTIMS OF ANOREXIA STEVEN LEVENKRON, KATIE, PATRICIA DE POL, ROBERTA, LISA WOLFF 30713 CHICAGO, DC 11/18/78 03/11/79 PART II: WHEN FEAR TAKES OVER -- AGORAPHOBIA JEAN ESTERBROOK, JOEL GREENBAUM, EILEEN WEBBER, MARIA WEBBER, DR. MANUEL ZANE 30713 CHICAGO, DC 02/28/79 03/18/79 PART I: WILD & CRAZY PAPARAZZI -- PHOTOGRAPHERS WHO SHOOT THE STARS RON GALELLA, ADAM SCULL, DICK CORKERY, GENE SPATZ 30725 CHICAGO, DC 02/28/79 03/18/79 PART II: IT'S NOT SO GREAT IN BRITAIN FRED HIFT, REX BERRY, ROBIN DUTHY, VALERIE WADE 30725 CHICAGO, DC 01/13/79 03/25/79 PART I: THINGS TO COME -- LIFE IN THE YEAR 2000 ISAAC ASIMOV, FRANK KENDIG, DR. JERRY POURNELLE 30719 DC 02/28/79 03/25/79 PART II: HAPPINESS IS A POSSIBLE DREAM DR. JONATHAN FREEDMAN, LYNN CAINE, JOAN, BOB DRESNER, BOB GOODRICH 30719 CHICAGO, DC 03/24/79 KHJ-TV, LA 04/01/79 THE TELEVISION CRISIS MICHAEL DANN, PAUL KLEIN, GRANT TINKER, NORMAN LEAR, DAVID GERBER 30726 CHICAGO, DC 02/10/79 04/08/79 HOT GOSSIP ABOUT THE BEAUTIFUL PEOPLE RUDY MAXA, CLAUDIA COHEN, NEAL TRAVIS 30724 CHICAGO 03/31/79 04/08/79 PITY THE HAPPY HOUSEWIFE JUDITH VIORST, MARY KUCZKIR, ANN TOLAND SERB, JOAN WESTER ANDERSON 30724 CHICAGO 04/15/78 04/15/79 MIRROR, MIRROR ON THE WALL -- THE BEAUTIFUL AND THE UGLY TELL ALL GUESTS -- MODELS AND SELF-PROCLAIMED UGLIES: MATT COLLINS, CATHY MORRIS, DANNY LEE MCCOY, JEAN SOKOL, SUZANNE FELZEN, SUSAN BRECHT EXPERTS: FRANCESCO SCAVULLO, MICHAEL HOGAN, M.D., ADRIEN ARPEL, SUSAN GREEN, PH.D 29232 CHICAGO, DC 04/14/79 04/22/79 IS CARTER A CATASTROPHE? ELIOT JANEWAY, WILLIE L. BROWN, JR., ROBERT H. MALOTT, WILLIAM W. WINPISINGER 30728 CHICAGO, DC 04/28/79 05/06/79 PART I: LEE MARVIN, WHAT HAVE YOU DONE? MARVIN MITCHELSON, MELVYN HABER, SUNNIE SOBEL, NORMAN M. SHERESKY, HERBERT A. GLIEBERMAN 30730 CHICAGO, DC 04/28/79 05/06/79 PART II: THE INCREDIBLE TRUTH ABOUT HOWARD HUGHES JAMES B. STEELE, DONALD L. BARTLETT 30730 DC 03/31/79 05/13/79 PART I: DEAR ANN LANDERS... ANN LANDERS 30727 CHICAGO, DC 03/31/79 05/13/79 PART II: THE CULTS ANSWER BACK GADDAHAR PANDIT DAS, RABINDRA SWAROOP DAS, DIANE KETTERING, ARTIE MAREN 30727 CHICAGO, DC 05/11/79 KCOP, LA 05/20/79 THE MAN WHO WOULD BE PRESIDENT: JERRY BROWN GOVERNOR JERRY BROWN, CALIFORNIA 30732 CHICAGO (T), UCLA, DC 05/19/79 06/03/79 PART I: WATCH OUT! HOWARD JARVIS IS COMING HOWARD JARVIS, JOHN L. LOEB, JR., JAMES FARMER, STEPHEN BERGER 30733 CHICAGO, DC 05/19/79 06/03/79 PART II: HOW TO SLASH YOUR FOOD BILLS IN HALF ARLENE STOLARSKI, PATTI UMLAND, MARY ANNE HAYES, SUSAN SAMTUR 30733 05/27/79 06/10/79 PART I: SHOULD YOU BUY A HOUSE NOW -- OR NEVER? DONALD I. HOVDE, BENNY KASS, WILLIAM WOLMAN, MICHAEL SUMICHRAST 30734 CHICAGO, DC 05/19/79 06/10/79 PART II: MALE SECRETARIES DONALD HARLEY, CHARLES W. BARKER, JOSEPH R. LICCARDO, ANTHONY ZATTI, KEITH M. WHITE 30734 DC 06/03/79 06/17/79 PART I: HOW TO LIVE WITH CONSTANT PAIN PATIENTS: HERBERT A. DIAMOND, BARBARA B. WOLF, ROSALIE TERRAVECCHIA DOCTORS: DR. GERALD ARONOFF, DR. DONALD M. DOOLEY, DR. NELSON H. HENDLER, DR. HAROLD CARRON 30736 CHICAGO, DC 06/03/79 06/17/79 PART II: THE MAN WHO GIVES ADVICE TO ANN LANDERS DR. EUGENE KENNEDY 30736 CHICAGO, DC 06/23/79 07/01/79 PART I: OUT OF GAS -- WHO'S TO BLAME? LESLIE J. GOLDMAN, JAMES F. FLUG, CHARLES KITTRELL, SENATOR HOWARD M. METZENBAUM 30738 CHICAGO, DC 06/23/79 07/01/79 PART II: "THE FLYING WHITE HOUSE" COLONEL RALPH ALBERTAZZIE 30738 CHICAGO, DC THE DAVID SUSSKIND SHOW 1979-80 05/26/79 04/14/79 10/07/79 04/19/81 DAVID SUSSKIND MEETS THE MARTIANS A. LYDIA STALNAKER, BRYCE BOND B. RUTH NORMAN, THOMAS MILLER 30729 CHICAGO, DC 09/22/79 10/14/79 PART I: ORGANIZED CRIME: THE BIGGEST BUSINESS IN AMERICA HANK H. MESSICK, RICHARD E. JAFFE, RALPH F. SALERNO, JACK KEY, THOMAS RENNER 32101 CHICAGO 09/22/79 10/14/79 PART II: BATTLE OVER BLACK ENGLISH MICHAEL MEYERS, DR. GENEVA SMITERMAN, DR. ELAINE LEWNAU, ETTA LADSOM 32101 CHICAGO 10/13/79 10/28/79 THE BLACK-JEWISH CRISIS DR. JOSEPH E. LOWERY, ARNOLD FORSTER, RANDALL ROBINSON, HOWARD M. SQUADRON 32105 CHICAGO 11/03/79 10/28/79 THE KENNEDY-CARTER SHOWDOWN ALLARD K. LOWENSTEIN, ARTHUR SCHLESINGER, JR., STUART EIZENSTAT, GERALD M. RAFSHOON 32109 CHICAGO, DC 10/27/79 11/11/79 09/07/80 03/28/82 PART I: SEX FOR SALE...4 "JOHNS' TELL ALL TOM, MARK, HUGH, GEORGE 32107 CHICAGO (T), DC 10/17/79 11/11/79 09/07/80 03/28/82 PART II: IS STRESS KILLING YOU? JOHN J. PARRINO, PH.D, KENNETH GREENSPAN, M.D. 32107 CHICAGO, DC 04/28/79 11/18/79 09/28/80 05/31/81 THE BARE FACTS: QUEENS OF BURLESQUE GEORGIA SOTHERN, ZORITA, SHERRY BRITTON, HOPE DIAMOND 30731 CHICAGO, DC 06/23/79 11/18/79 09/28/80 05/31/81 SUPER SALESWOMEN DOT COOK, ANDREA BERRITY, LINDA SCHMITT, SHIRLEY HUTTON 30731 CHICAGO 06/09/79 11/25/79 07/06/80 PART I: RICH & FEMALE - WOMEN WHO MAKE MILLIONS MURIEL SIEBERT, MARY ANN HALMI, EVA HORTON, DAISY TALLARICO, JOAN LEVINE 30737 CHICAGO, DC 06/09/79 11/25/79 07/06/80 PART II: GOTHIC WRITERS ROBERTA ANDERSON & MARY KUCZKIR (FERN MICHAELS), JANET DAILEY, PATRICIA MATTHEWS 30737 CHICAGO, DC 10/06/79 12/02/79 PART I: "BREAKING UP IS HARD TO TAKE" -- CHILDREN OF DIVORCE DON, CAREN, LIZ, GILLIAN, LISA 32102 CHICAGO 09/29/79 12/02/79 PART II: "THE WICKED TRUTH ABOUT STEP PARENTS" WILLIAM NOBLE, SUZY KALTER, MARCIA WYRTZEN, JEANETTE LOFAS, BOB MARTIN 32102 CHICAGO 10/27/79 12/09/79 PART I: LIARS BEWARE -- THE LATEST IN LIE DETECTION CHRIS GUGAS 32108 CHICAGO 10/06/79 12/09/79 PART II: THE RED BERETS -- TEENAGE VIGILANTES CURTIS SLIWA, DINO REYES, KATO, JEFF MONROE, JERRY MONROE, ET. AL. 32108 CHICAGO 11/10/79 12/16/79 07/13/80 PART I: HOW TO TEST YOUR DOG'S I.Q. AND PERSONALITY MATTHEW MARGOLIS 32115 CHICAGO 12/03/79 12/16/79 07/13/80 PART II: DAZZLING WOMEN FROM ABROAD LIVIA SLYVA WEINTRAUB, JACLINE MAZARD (JEAN MAHIE), REGINE, GEORGETTE KLINGER, PRINCESS SUMAIR 32115 CHICAGO 11/17/79 12/23/79 HOW TO PROSPER DURING THE COMING BAD YEARS HOWARD RUFF 32114 CHICAGO, DC 12/15/79 12/23/79 07/27/80 PART II: CHINA TODAY -- A CONVERSATION WITH HAN SUYIN HAN SUYIN 32114 32121 CHICAGO, DC 11/10/79 01/06/80 08/17/80 ARE YOUR TEENAGERS DRIVING YOU CRAZY? HELP IS HERE! DR. THOMAS J. COTTLE, ELIZABETH ROBERTS, DR. DAVID ELKIND, EDITH B. PHELPS, ELIOT DALEY 32110 CHICAGO 11/24/79 01/13/80 10/26/80 PART I: SHORT PEOPLE HAVE FEELINGS TOO! PAMELA BROWN, MIKE PARADINE, BILL GILE, NANCY HENKEL, IRWIN HASEN 32111 CHICAGO 10/17/79 01/13/80 10/26/80 PART II: LAUGHTER IS THE BEST MEDICINE NORMAN COUSINS 32111 CHICAGO 12/15/79 01/20/80 07/20/80 PART I: OWNERS OF GREAT RESTAURANTS TELL THEIR SECRETS SHELDON TANNEN "21"; WARNER LEROY, MAXWELL'S PLUM, TAVERN ON THE GREEN; EDMUND LILLYS, THE GLOUCESTER HOUSE; SIRIO MACCIONE, LE CIRQUE; VINCENT SARDI, JR., SARDI'S; PETER ASCHKENASY, U.S. STEAK-HOUSE, LUCHOW'S, CHARLEY O'S, AND THE AMERICAN CHARCUTERIE. 32117 CHICAGO 01/12/80 01/20/80 07/20/80 PART II: MAITRE D'S OF GREAT RESTAURANTS JOSEPH GARNI, LE CIRQUE; BRUNO MOLINARI, THE PALM; GIANNI GARAVELLI, NANNI AL VALLETTO; JEAN-CLAUDE COUTELLER, LE PERIGORD EAST 32117 CHICAGO 09/29/79 01/27/80 A MEDIUM WHO TALKS TO THE DEAD -- DORIS STOKES DORIS STOKES 32103 CHICAGO 11/17/79 02/03/80 10/05/80 PART I: PROSTITUTES TELL ALL "NINA", "CATHERINE", AND "MELINDA" 32112 CHICAGO, DC 01/12/80 02/03/80 10/05/80 PART II: WOMEN AGAINST PORNOGRAPHY DOLORES ALEXANDER, JANE MCHUGH, FRANCES PATAI, AND BARBARA MEHRHOF 32112 CHICAGO, DC 01/26/80 02/10/80 WHAT'S NEW WITH JACKIE, SINATRA, STREISAND, BEATTY, MINNELLI AND REYNOLDS, TOO LIZ SMITH, CHICAGO TRIBUNE-NEW YORK DAILY NEWS; TAKI THEODORACOPULOS, ESQUIRE; DAVID SHEEHAN, DIANA MCLELLAN, "THE EAR", IN THE WASHINGTON STAR 32119 11/24/79 02/17/80 09/21/80 12/13/81 PART I: LIFE AT THE TOP -- WIVES OF FAMOUS MEN JOYCE DAVIDSON SUSSKIND, NANCY MEHTA, MARILYN FUNT, NORRIS CHURCH 32113 CHICAGO, DC 11/17/79 02/17/80 09/21/80 12/13/81 PART II: ALL ABOUT THE CIA THOMAS POWERS, "THE MAN WHO KEPT THE SECRETS: RICHARD HELMS AND THE C.I.A." 32113 DC 01/12/80 02/24/80 09/14/80 MOVIE STARS CAME TO DINNER -- GROWING UP IN HOLLYWOOD JILL ROBINSON, "BED TIME STORY" AND "PERDIDO"; MICHAEL KORDA, "CHARMED LIVES"; WARNER LEROY, LINDA JANKLOW, BROOKE HAYWARD, "HAYWIRE". 32118 CHICAGO 02/02/80 02/24/80 09/14/80 PART II: GARBAGE OF THE STARS A. J. WEBERMAN, GARBOLOGIST 32118 CHICAGO 02/02/80 03/02/80 07/27/80 PART I: WE'RE HIGH ON BEING TALL GEORGE ANDREWS - 6'6", JUDY VOGEL - 6', CECILIA GARDNER - 6'1", KERRY KEANE - 6'6", TERRY LEE - 5'11", ALICE WHITE - 6' 32121 CHICAGO 02/02/80 03/02/80 PART II: SIZING UP THE NEWSCASTERS PHILIP MCHUGH 32121 12/03/79 03/09/80 08/24/80 PART I: 5 NEW YORK CABBIES TELL ALL MEL BENDOWITZ, EZRA CHITYAT, JAMES MORRIS, RICHARD CHEROL, LOIS DOYLE 32116 CHICAGO (T) 12/15/79 03/09/80 08/24/80 PART II: GOING BANANAS IN BEVERLY HILLS ELAINE YOUNG, JACK STARTZ, M.D., RONALD RICE, JUDY MAZEL 32116 CHICAGO 02/23/80 03/16/80 05/03/81 11/13/83 PART I: WE TAKE IT ALL OFF -- MALE STRIPPERS JACK THE STRIPPER, SEBASTIAN, CAREY GORDON, SUNSHINE, BERNARDO 32123 CHICAGO, DC 03/01/80 03/16/80 05/03/81 11/13/83 PART II: MUSCLES AND CURVES -- WOMEN BODY BUILDERS DORIS BARRILLEAUX, LYNDE JOHNSON, LYNN CONKWRIGHT, APRIL NICOTRA 32123 DC 03/01/80 03/23/80 08/03/80 PART I: THE DATING SERVICE FOR WINNER 'THE GODMOTHER' , ABBY HIRSCH CLIENTS: BARBARA WRENN, DOUGLAS RIPPETO, MITCHEL MITCHEL, BABTTE GLADSTEIN 32126 CHICAGO 02/23/80 03/23/80 08/03/80 PART II: THE GIRL WHO HAD EVERYTHING - DORIEN LEIGH DORIAN LEIGH 32126 CHICAGO 01/26/80 02/09/80 03/30/80 08/10/80 THE NEW REVOLUTION IN FOOD AND FUEL - A CONVERSATION WITH DWAYNE ANDREAS MR. DWAYNE ANDREAS, CHAIRMAN AND CHIEF EXECUTIVE OFFICER OF ARCHER DANIELS MIDLAND COMPANY 32120 CHICAGO, DC 02/09/80 04/06/80 PART I: OUR HIDDEN SHAME: DYSLEXIA ARTHUR BIRSH, DELOS SMITH, EILEEN SIMPSON -- REVERSALS: A PERSONAL ACCOUNT OF VICTORY OVER DYSLEXIA, LYNNE HACKER, EMILY LANDAU, DANIEL GILDESGAME 32122 CHICAGO 02/23/80 04/06/80 PART II: THE NATIONAL LAMPOON P.J. O'ROURKE, GERALD SUSSMAN, TOD CARROLL, JOHN HUGHES 32122 CHICAGO 03/22/80 04/13/80 GORE VIDAL UNCENSORED 32130 CHICAGO, DC 03/08/80 04/20/80 PART I: APOCALYPSE SOON: A CONVERSATION WITH WILLIAM SIMON WILLIAM SIMON, FORMER TREASURY SECRETARY 32127 CHICAGO 03/22/80 04/20/80 PART II: BEWARE OF PICKPOCKETS CARL LEWIS, DETECTIVE ROBERT MAGONE 32127 CHICAGO 03/15/80 04/27/80 01/31/82 PART I: THE SHAME OF OUR HOSPITALS -- FIVE ANGRY NURSES 'CAROL', 'REBECCA', 'ELEANOR', 'RUTH' AND 'HELEN' 32129 CHICAGO, DC 03/29/80 04/27/80 01/31/82 PART II: DR. WILLIAM NOLEN WILLIAM A. NOLEN, M.D. 32129 CHICAGO 04/26/80 05/04/80 SEX IN AMERICA -- AN INTERVIEW WITH GAY TALESE GAY TALESE, AUTHOR: THY NEIGHBOR'S WIFE 32135 CHICAGO 03/29/80 05/11/80 PART I: SOFT, SWEET AND SOUTHERN -- 6 BELLES FROM DIXIE PHYLLIS MACBRYDE, REBECCA SINGLETON, NANCY BELLE BRASS, MARY MCMILLAN, ROSEMARY DANIELL; AUTHOR: FATAL FLOWERS; MARY VANN HUNTER; AUTHOR: SASSAFRAS 32132 CHICAGO 04/19/80 05/11/80 PART II: SOUTHERN JOURNALISTS TALK ABOUT JIMMY CARTER AND OTHER GOOD OLE BOYS LARRY KING, AUTHOR: OF OUTLAWS, CON MEN, WHORES, POLITICIANS AND OTHER ARTISTS; MARSHALL FRADY, AUTHOR: SOUTHERNERS; ROY BLOUNT, JR., AUTHOR: CRACKERS 32132 CHICAGO 05/10/80 05/18/80 HOW DID IT HAPPEN -- CARTER VS REAGAN TOM WICKER, THE NEW YORK TIMES; ALBERT R. HUNT, THE WALL STREET JOURNAL; WILLIAM A. RUSHER, NATIONAL REVIEW; HAYNES JOHNSON, THE WASHINGTON POST 32137 CHICAGO (T) 04/26/80 05/25/80 PART I: THE SPORTS EMPIRE OF SONNY WERBLIN SONNY WERBLIN, PRESIDENT AND CHIEF EXECUTIVE OFFICER OF THE MADISON SQUARE GARDEN CORPORATION 32134 CHICAGO, DC 05/03/80 05/25/80 PART II: THE LAST OF THE COWBOYS -- 5 TRUCKERS RUSSELL "CAPTAIN ZIG-ZAG" PATE, GEORGE "WILDMAN" RAWLS, ED "SKY PILOT" WINTERSTEEN, MIKE "DOUBLE R" CRAKER, JAMES "BUCKY" BUCKOWSKI 32134 CHICAGO, DC 03/08/80 06/01/80 PART I: BEAT INFLATION WITH DIAMONDS, ART, STAMPS AND COINS NICOLA BULGARI, RICHARD L. 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BARTLETT GIAMATTI 33609 CHICAGO 11/24/80 12/07/80 08/02/81 PART II: A CONVERSATION WITH MICHAEL THOMAS MICHAEL THOMAS, AUTHOR GREEN MONDAY 33609 CHICAGO 11/24/80 12/14/80 07/18/81 PART I: ARE LAWYERS RUINING OUR LIVES? PHILIP M. STERN, GEOFFREY C. HAZARD, FRANK R. ROSINY, ALAN B. MORRISON, JUDGE WILLIAM B. LAWLESS 33607 CHICAGO, DC 11/16/80 12/14/80 PART II: NORMAN DACEY, ROSEMARY FURMAN 33607 12/17/80 12/21/80 08/30/81 PART I: FEELING GOOD ALL UNDER -- THE ELEGANT NEW LINGERIE REBECCA ASPAN, BELL TICE, ORA FEDER, DAVID STIFFLER, SAMI 33613 CHICAGO 12/17/80 12/21/80 08/30/81 PART II: BEST FRIENDS AND BEST SELLERS CONSUELO BAEHR, SUSAN ISAACS, HILMA WOLITZER 33613 CHICAGO 12/14/80 12/28/80 THE REMARKABLE JONATHAN SCHWARTZ -- A SPECIAL PERFORMANCE JONATHAN SCHWARTZ 33612 CHICAGO, DC 12/03/80 01/04/81 PART I: A HOUSE IS NOT A HOME -- CONGRESSMEN WHO QUIT OTIS G. PIKE, JAMES P. JOHNSON, JOE WYATT, JR. 33610 CHICAGO (T) 12/17/80 01/04/80 PART II: A CONVERSATION WITH STUDS TERKEL STUDS TERKEL 33610 CHICAGO (T) 01/07/81 01/11/81 09/13/81 PART I: THE INCREDIBLE WORLD OF MOTHER TERESA JOYCE DAVIDSON SUSSKIND 33608 CHICAGO, DC 11/19/80 01/11/81 09/13/81 PART II: HOW TO SUCCEED? GO TO BUSINESS SCHOOL SUSAN THOMAS, JED DALY, ROBERT FRIEDMAN, JAY ESSEY, ELIZABETH CLOSTERMAN 33608 CHICAGO, DC 01/12/81 01/18/81 04/15/84 PART I: WATCH YOUR LANGUAGE JOHN SIMON, RICHARD MITCHELL, EDWIN NEWMAN 33611 CHICAGO 12/03/80 01/18/81 PART II: WHERE THE BODIES ARE BURIED -- WASHINGTON LOWDOWN DONALD LAMBRO, CHARLES PETERS, MICHAEL J. MALBIN, FRANK SILBEY 33611 CHICAGO 01/21/81 01/25/81 PART I: JUNK FOOD JUNKIES RICHARD SMITH, DAVID NOONAN, MAGGIE MULHEARN, BUFFALO GEORGE TOOMER 33616 CHICAGO (T) 01/21/81 01/25/81 PART II: HOW TO IMPROVE YOUR EATING HABITS RICHARD S. RIVLIN, M.D., RICHARD PASSWATER, DR. ROBERT PALMER, JOSEPH RECHTSCHAFFEN, M.D. 33616 CHICAGO 01/24/81 02/01/81 THE BEST AND WORST MOVIES: FILM CRITICS JANET MASLIN, ANDREW SARRIS, JACK KROLL, GENE SISKEL 33617 CHICAGO (T) 01/07/81 02/08/81 08/23/81 PART I: TAKE THOSE INCHES OFF! SHAPE UP WITH EXERCISE MARJORIE CRAIG, LYDIA BACH, CHARLES GAINES, MARUSCHKA 33614 CHICAGO 01/24/81 02/08/81 08/23/81 PART II: THE ESTABLISHMENT LEONARD AND MARK SILK, STEPHEN BIRMINGHAM 33614 CHICAGO 02/11/81 02/15/81 CELEBRITY WATCHING WITH LIZ SMITH, TAKI, JAMES BRADY AND JODY JACOBS 33620 CHICAGO 02/18/81 02/22/81 HOW TO SURVIVE AND PROSPER IN THE 80s HOWARD RUFF, DOUGLAS CASEY, JEROME SMITH, THOMAS HOLT 33621 CHICAGO 02/11/81 03/01/81 08/09/81 PART I: PRETTY BABIES -- THE NEW TEEN-AGE MODELS BETTINA, LORI LOUGHLIN, CATHLEEN ESS, FELICE SCHACHTER, LENA REID 33619 CHICAGO 02/07/81 03/01/81 08/09/81 PART II: ARE YOUR CHILDREN BECOMING ADULTS TOO SOON? DR. AARON HASS, PATRICIA O'BRIEN, ARTHUR KORNHABER, M.D., ADELE HOFFMAN, M.D. 33619 CHICAGO 02/21/81 03/08/81 BIGOTRY RIDES AGAIN WILLIAM SLOANE COFFIN, ARNOLD FORSTER, WILLIAM A. FUSHER, CONGRESSMAN JOHN CONYERS, DR. M. MORAN WESTON 33622 CHICAGO 03/07/81 03/15/81 THE BATTLE FOR SURVIVAL -- THE AMERICAN AUTO INDUSTRY WENDELL H. MILLER, STEPHEN I. SCHOLSSBERG, TOM HANNA, JERRY FLINT, DAVID HEALY 33623 CHICAGO 01/12/81 03/22/81 07/26/81 PART I: POURING OUT YOUR TROUBLES: BARTENDERS TELL ALL PADDY QUINN, CHARLIE SCHOENEMAN, RAY FOLEY, JOHN "SHIRTS" HUGHES, KITTY FITZKE 33615 CHICAGO, DC 03/18/81 03/22/81 07/26/81 PART II: TWINS WHO MARRIED TWINS BARBI GOLDENBERG, D.D.S., BRUCE GOLDENBERG, D.D.S., CHERYL GOLDENBERG, D.D.S., BARRY GOLDENBERG, M.D. 33615 CHICAGO, DC 03/18/81 03/29/81 09/27/81 THE MORAL MAJORITY ON THE WARPATH DR. TIM LA HAYE, DR. DAN C. FORE, SENATOR FRANK CHURCH, DR. DANIEL C. MAGUIRE 33624 CHICAGO, DC 03/28/81 04/05/81 08/16/81 PART I: WOMEN AND SUCCESS -- MAKING IT TO THE TOP JUDY MELLO, ANNE P. HYDE, SUSAN HOROWITZ, PAULA D. HUGHES, JO FOXWORTH 33625 CHICAGO, DC 03/28/81 04/05/81 08/16/81 05/06/84 PART II: THE TRUTH ABOUT SENILITY ROBERT N. BUTLER, M.D., DENNETH L. DAVIS, M.D., DR. PETER DAVIES, DR. ROSE ROBROF 33625 CHICAGO, DC 04/04/81 04/12/81 PART I: BANKS ON THE BRINK MURIEL SIEBERT, LEE GUNDERSON, H. ERICH HEINEMANN, WILLIAM E. DONOGHUE, DR. SAUL B. KLAYMAN 33626 CHICAGO 04/04/81 04/12/81 05/20/84 PART II: DOCTORS' WIVES CARLA FINE, LINDA SHIPLEY, LINDA SEDA, LORI TAYLOR 33626 CHICAGO 4/25/81 04/26/81 THE AMERICAN MILITARY MACHINE: ARE WE READY FOR BATTLE? CONGRESSMAN JIM COURTER, BARRY R. POSEN, BRIGADIER GENERAL ALBION KNIGHT, JR., EDWARD LUTTWAK, GENERAL VOLNEY F. WARNER 33628 CHICAGO, DC 05/02/81 05/10/81 FROM HOLLYWOOD TO BROADWAY - PART I: DUDLEY MOORE 33631 CHICAGO (T), UCLA 05/04/81 05/10/81 FROM HOLLYWOOD TO BROADWAY - PART II: MC CANN AND NUGENT NELLE NUGENT , ELIZABETH MCCANN 33631 CHICAGO (T) 05/09/81 05/17/81 PART I: HOMELESS AND HELPLESS -- PEOPLE WHO LIVE ON THE STREETS ANN MARIE ROUSSEAU, WILLIAM KUEHNE, ANTON GALENOS, SELMA (MARIE) PRICE, SYD ROLFS, VERONICA (VIRGINIA) WILLIAMS, GENE PALMER 33632 CHICAGO, DC 05/04/81 05/17/81 PART II: SPORTS AMERICAN STYLE: BIG, BRUISING BUSINESS DICK SHAAP, PETER BONVENTRE, MIKE LUPICA, DAN JENKINS 33632 CHICAGO, DC 05/09/81 05/24/81 PART I: SURVIVALISTS: PREPARING FOR DOOMSDAY KURT SAXON, JOSEPH RUSTICK, M.D., ROBERT FIRTH, GENE AND PEARL TARMAN 33633 CHICAGO, DC 04/25/81 05/24/81 PART II: DELAYED MOTHERHOOD -- HAVING CHILDREN AT AGE THIRTY FIVE JULIE HOUSTON, LYNN POVICH, JACQUELINE PESUT, LUISA LA VIOLA, DR. PEGGY EWING 33633 CHICAGO, DC 05/18/81 06/07/81 12/09/84 PART I: WITHOUT TEARS -- CHILDREN COPING WITH CANCER CHILDREN: STEPHANIE ROBSON, JIM VOLPE, DOLLY MICONI, CRAIG HETZER, JENNIFER DALSEY MOTHERS: SHARON ROBSON, PEGGY VOLPE, BRITTA HETZER, MARTHA SMENTEK (JENNIFER DALSEY'S MOTHER) 33635 CHICAGO (T), DC 06/06/81 06/07/81 PART II: A VANISHING BREED -- THE PROFESSIONAL VOLUNTEER VIVIAN HARRIS, MARY LINDSAY, JEAN DELAFIELD, ISABELLE STEVENSON, GLORIA W. MILLIKEN 33635 CHICAGO, DC 06/14/81 PART I: THE MAGNIFICENT $20 MILLION YANKEE -- DAVE WINFIELD 33636 CHICAGO, DC 06/14/81 PART II: THE TRUTH ABOUT THE TONY AWARDS ALEXANDER H. COHEN, HILDY PARKS 33636 CHICAGO, DC 05/02/81 06/21/81 PART I: REPORT FROM THREE DOCTORS: THE LATEST IN MEDICINE ISADORE ROSENFELD, M.D., DR. JOHN H. LARAGH, DR. JOSEPH WILDER 33630 CHICAGO, DC 05/18/81 06/21/81 PART II: HOW TO SUE WITHOUT A LAWYER JOHN STRIKER, ANDREW SHAPIRO 33630 CHICAGO, DC 06/13/81 06/28/81 PART I: SHOW BUSINESS COUPLES RENEE TAYLOR, JOSEPH BOLOGNA MARGE REDMOND, JACK WESTON 33634 CHICAGO 05/18/81 06/28/81 PART II: WHO REMEMBERS CARTER -- JOSEPH CALIFANO DOES, THAT'S WHO 33634 CHICAGO THE DAVID SUSSKIND SHOW 1981-82 06/06/81 06/13/81 10/11/81 08/08/82 STARTING OVER AFTER DIVORCE: MIDDLE AGED SINGLES RICHARD SCHICKEL, ANNE PARK, MARTHA HUGHES, STEVEN BRALOVE, RITA MCDOWELL 33637 CHICAGO, DC 06/08/81 10/18/81 08/01/82 PART I: THE REAL CHORUS LINE: BROADWAY DANCERS DONNA DRAKE, BOB HEATH, MARYBETH KURDOCK, DAVID EVANS, RON SCHWINN, JOAN BELL, DEAN BADOLATE, MARYANN NILES 33638 CHICAGO, DC 06/13/81 10/18/81 08/01/82 PART II: FACES IN THE CROWD: MOVIE EXTRAS ROZ BRAVERMAN, ANDREW MURPHY, BARRY WISEMAN, SHANNON SORIN, VELA CERES 33638 CHICAGO, DC 09/30/81 10/25/81 PART I: MAKING MARRIAGE WORK: MARRIAGE COUNSELORS LAURA SINGER, DR. 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PRESIDENT, WE'RE NOT BETTER OFF" PART I: VICTIMS OF THE BUDGET CUTS MATILDE COLON, ZELDA WEINER, MARY GARBUTT, MURIEL ZGARDOWSKI, MARY GALE 35463 CHICAGO 01/20/82 01/24/82 PART II: FACING PERMANENT LAYOFF DAN SULLIVAN, DOUG FORD, BOB LONGWORTH, BILL AHSCROFT, (RON CARVER-P.R.) 35463 CHICAGO 01/27/82 02/07/82 09/26/82 PART I: BACHELORS OF THE MONTH MICHAEL JEFFREY GRIFFITH, PETER KUHN, O. STEVEN FREDERICKSEN, JIM ZERBE, JOEL DIAMOND 35465 CHICAGO, DC 12/16/81 02/07/82 09/26/82 PART II: CHIROPRACTORS VS. M.D.'S DR. STEPHEN BARRETT, LOUIS SPORTELLI, D.C., CHESTER WILK, D.C., REUBEN HOPPENSTEIN, M.D. 35465 CHICAGO, DC 01/30/82 02/14/82 LOOKING FOR LOVE: A GUIDE FOR SINGLES DR. MARTIN GALLITAN, JOE O'CONNELL, MARCY BOUCHER, GAYLE BOARD, KEN NELSON, MITCHEL MITCHEL 35466 CHICAGO, DC 02/10/82 02/21/82 WHO'S HOT, WHO'S NOT -- WHO'S IN, WHO'S OUT -- THE LATEST GOSSIP MADELLEINE SCHAAP, MAXINE MESSINGER, LIZ SMITH JAMES BRADY, BOB COLACELLO 35467 CHICAGO, DC 02/28/82 PART I: ASTROLOGERS PREDICT WHATS IN THE STARS FOR 1982 MARIA ELISA CRUMMERE, MARTIN SCHULMAN, DARRELL MARTINI, MAE WILSON-LUDLAM 35464 CHICAGO 02/28/82 PART II: SABINA SHALOM 35464 CHICAGO 02/24/82 03/07/82 THE WILD WORLD OF SPORTS DICK SCHAAP, DAN JENKINS, MIKE LUPICA, DAVE ANDERSON, MIKE DOWNEY 35469 CHICAGO 02/27/82 03/07/82 TRAVELING SALESMEN JIM O'CONNOR, JOEL KATZ, JIM PRENDERGAST, DICK ORNSTEIN 35469 CHICAGO 02/13/82 03/14/82 07/11/82 CRIMINALS ARE GETTING AWAY WITH MURDER PHIL SEELIG, BILL CLARK, JUDGE EDWIN TORRES, SEYMOUR WISHMAN 35468 CHICAGO 03/10/82 03/21/82 09/12/82 PART I: ARE WOMEN THEIR OWN WORST ENEMIES? 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WILLIAM NISKANEN, JR., LEONARD SILK, DR. OTTO ECKSTEIN, DR. ALAN GREENSPAN, DR. JOSEPH PECHMAN 35479 CHICAGO (T) 05/05/82 05/23/82 10/03/82 "I'M ON WELFARE AND I HATE IT" -- A WELFARE MOTHER SHARON HUNT 35478 CHICAGO, DC 05/19/82 05/30/82 PART I: NOT FOR MEN ONLY -- BLUE COLLAR WOMEN TINA NANNARONE, LAURA SCHWARTZ, JANE KELLEY, SHARON HOLMES, JUDY HUGHES 35480 CHICAGO, DC 05/19/82 05/30/82 PART II: OUT OF CASH? TRY BARTER ANNIE PROULX, JERRY WEINER, GENE HOLTZMAN, CONNIE STAPLETON 35480 CHICAGO, DC 05/22/82 06/06/82 09/19/82 AN INTERVIEW WITH THE REMARKABLE VIDAL SASSOON VIDAL SASSOON 35481 CHICAGO, DC 06/13/82 WHO CAN AFFORD COLLEGE ANYMORE? -- PART I: ADMINISTRATORS JAMES POWELL, STEPHEN TRACHTENBERG, WILLIAM MAXWELL, HARVEY GROTRAIN 35482 CHICAGO 06/13/82 WHO CAN AFFORD COLLEGE ANYMORE? -- PART 2: PARENTS JOSEPH ZULLO, JOHN KAUFMAN, FREDERIC KRAMER, GLORIA GATTI, ALEXANDRA GREELEY 35482 CHICAGO 06/20/82 NO MORE LAND OF PLENTY NORMAN BERG, KREKEL KARCH, NEIL SAMPSON 35484 CHICAGO 06/20/82 CAREER COUNSELORS JOHN CRYSTAL, STANLEY HYMAN, ROBERT SWAIN, IRENE ANSHER 35484 CHICAGO THE DAVID SUSSKIND SHOW 1982-83 10/06/82 10/10/82 THE DAVID SUSSKIND SHOW -- 25TH ANNIVERSARY SPECIAL - PART I 35486 CHICAGO, DC 10/09/82 10/17/82 THE DAVID SUSSKIND SHOW -- 25TH ANNIVERSARY SPECIAL - PART II MAUREEN STAPLETON, ANTHONY QUINN, NORMAN MAILER, TRUMAN CAPOTE 37027 CHICAGO (T), UCLA, DC 07/16/82 10/24/82 08/28/83 TOP TRIAL LAWYERS DEMONSTRATE THE ART OF JURY SELECTION PHILIP CORBOY, HAROLD PRICE FAHRINGER, AARON BRODER, BILL COLSON 35483 CHICAGO, DC 04/17/82 10/31/82 07/17/83 PART I: COCAINE: A 30 BILLION DOLLAR EPIDEMIC ROBERT MILLMAN, M.D., ANDY KOWL, TOM HENDERSON, "AMY", "A.J.", "LIZA" 35475 CHICAGO, DC 04/17/82 10/31/82 07/17/83 02/03/85 11/17/85 PART II: PARTY CRASHERS GARY WATSON, STEVE GOLDSTEIN, FRANK FUSARO, MIKE BURKE 35475 CHICAGO (T), DC 10/30/82 11/07/82 HERPES: THE VENEREAL DISEASE THAT CAN'T BE CURED PART 1: VICTIMS: OSCAR GILLESPIE, PHD., JANE RUBINSKY , RUSSELL WOOD, "SCOTT" PART II: DOCTORS: ANDRE NAHMIAS, M.D., HERBERT BLOUGH, M.D., JOHN GROSSMAN, M.D., DR. CARLOS LOPEZ 37028 CHICAGO (T), DC 11/03/82 11/14/82 08/21/83 PART I: WHY DON'T PEOPLE DATE ANYMORE? DOUG FOSTER, DOUG BERNSTEIN, SERENA BLISS, MICHAEL SELBY, LIZ CASTELLS, MAGGIE PETERS, SIGNE WARNER, BOB POLLAK 37029 CHICAGO (T) 11/03/82 11/14/82 08/21/83 PART II: AN INTERVIEW WITH HAMILTON JORDAN HAMILTON JORDAN 37029 CHICAGO 11/06/82 11/21/82 01/26/86 05/25/86 08/17/86 PART I: DOLLAR A DANCE -- TAXI DANCERS ARIEL LUCAS, PAUL PRICKETT, PENNY PRUCHA, ELLEN STOKES, CAROL SUNDQUIST 37030 CHICAGO 11/06/82 11/21/82 03/18/84 PART II: THE MYSTERY OF THE FULL MOON ARNOLD L. LEIBER, M.D., CHARLES S. MIRABILE, M.D., DR. RALPH W. MORRIS, DR. DONALD P. LASALLE 37030 CHICAGO (T) 11/20/82 11/28/82 CONGRESSMEN WHO WERE DEFEATED DON CLAUSEN, GENE ATKINSON, TOBY MOFFETT, JOHN LEBOUTILLIER 37031 CHICAGO (T) 11/20/82 12/05/82 02/17/85 PART I: HOW TO MARRY A RICH MAN JACQUELINE THOMPSON, RITA LACHMAN, DIANE ACKERMAN 37032 CHICAGO 06/19/82 12/05/82 PART II: LONG DISTANCE MARRIAGE BRYNA SANGER, HARRY KATZ, KAREN AKERS, CATHERINE AND JIM FOSTER 37032 CHICAGO (T) 11/27/82 12/12/82 07/10/83 PART I: GROWING UP IN THE DEPRESSION WITH RUSSELL BAKER, ANNE JACKSON, ELI WALLACH AND ED KOCH 37035 CHICAGO (T) 11/20/82 12/12/82 07/10/83 01/20/85 01/19/86 PART II: THE EFFECT OF COLOR ON OUR LIVES JOHN OTT, DR. JAMES D'ADAMO, IRENE AUSTIN 37035 CHICAGO (T) 12/08/82 12/19/82 06/26/83 PART I: CHOCOLATE TOM KRON, LAURA BRODY, MILTON ZELMAN, AL PECHENIK, RUDOLF SPRUNGLI 37036 CHICAGO (T) 12/08/82 12/19/82 06/26/83 PART II: ENTERTAINING CHARLOTTE TREE, SANDRA KASPER, MARY MCFADDEN, GEORGE LANG 37036 CHICAGO 11/27/82 12/26/82 07/24/83 PART I: TV ANCHORWOMEN ROBIN YOUNG, MONICA KAUFMAN, SUE SIMMONS, PAT HARPER 37034 CHICAGO (T) 12/11/82 12/26/82 07/24/83 PART II: AMBASSADOR MALCOLM TOON 37034 12/11/82 01/02/83 10/16/83 07/29/84 02/16/86 07/13/86 PAR I: SELF DEFENSE FOR WOMEN: HOW TO FIGHT BACK DR. MARY CONROY 37039 CHICAGO 12/11/82 01/02/83 PART II: THE CAREER WOMAN'S DILEMMA: JOB VS. BABIES CAROL MASIUS, ANDREA DUNHAM, NANCY EVANS, MARIA CAMPBELL, SERINE HASTINGS 37039 CHICAGO (T) 12/18/82 01/09/83 HOW TO LIVE WITH ARTHRITIS PART I: PATIENTS DR. ROBERT GOULD, BOB NIRKIND, ROBIN MAY, JOHN MURPHY, MARTHA SCHORTTMAN PART II: DOCTORS GERALD WEISSMAN, M.D. FREDERIC MCDUFFIE, M.D., GEORGE EHRLICH, M.D., THOMAS KANTOR, M.D. 37038 CHICAGO (T) 01/05/83 01/16/83 PART I: WOMEN OF THE YEAR: BROADWAY'S LEADING LADIES ELIZABETH ASHLEY, ELLEN BURSTYN, JUDITH IVEY, BETTY BUCKLEY 37040 CHICAGO (T) 01/05/83 01/16/83 PART II: BANKS ON THE BRINK: THE FOREIGN LOAN MESS C.W. CARSON, JR., RICHARD ERB, JOHN G. HEIMAN, PETER KENEN, REP. CHARLES E. SCHUMER 37040 CHICAGO 01/15/83 01/23/83 PART I: WAITRESSES DEBORAH GRISORIO, KATHLEEN MCLANE, PAULA MURRAY, NANCY YOUNGBLUT 37041 CHICAGO (T) 01/15/83 01/23/83 PAR II: NUCLEAR DETERRENCE IN ROME, NY EDWARD BURTON, ED CALLAHAN, COL. JOHN ENGELMANN, EMLYN GRIFFITH, IRWIN REDLENER 37041 CHICAGO 01/27/83 01/30/83 PART I: IS THIS BULL MARKET FOR REAL? STEVEN EINHORN, ELIOT FRIED, JOHN HINDELONG, THOMAS STILES, JOHN TEMPLETON 37044 CHICAGO 01/19/83 01/30/83 12/11/83 PART II: COOKIES ARE BIG BUSINESS DAVID LIEDERMAN, BARBARA KAFKA, MARNI MILLER, JAN VERDONKSCHOT 37044 CHICAGO 01/22/83 02/06/83 THE RICH AND FAMOUS -- THE LATEST GOSSIP LIZ SMITH, DIANA MCLELLEN, TAKE AND MAXINE MESINGER 37043 CHICAGO 02/02/83 02/13/83 AMERICAN WOMEN WHO MARRY FOREIGN MEN JANA JAFFEE, KATHRYN JASON, SHARON COSTA DE BEAUREGARD, COUNTESS DE ROMANONES, MARTHA BURKE-HENNESSY 37045 CHICAGO 02/02/83 02/13/83 DOWNWARD MOBILITY -- THE END OF THE AMERICAN DREAM BOB SACCO, DAN RASUMSSEN, RHONA DROSSMAN, LLOYD SAVEL, HOPE POKRESS 37045 CHICAGO (T) 02/16/83 02/20/83 WHAT'S IN THE STARS FOR 1983 ASTROLOGERS POPE HILL, PATRIC WALKER, MARIA CRUMMERE, DEBBI KEMPTON-SMITH, JOELLE MAHONEY 37046 CHICAGO 02/16/83 02/27/83 12/02/84 05/04/86 PART I: STOPPING THE CLOCK? GEROVITAL EMILY WILKINS, BILL TICE, DORIS WHITEHEAD, JOHN COFFMAN, BARRY REISBERG, M.D. 37042 CHICAGO (T) 01/19/83 02/27/83 THE MYSTERY OF THE COMMON COLD STEVEN MOSTOW, M.D., R. GORDON DOUGLAS, M.D., SANFORD CHODOSH, M.D., HYLAN BICKERMAN, M.D., JOHN ABELES, M.D. 37042 CHICAGO 02/23/83 03/06/83 PART I: ANGRY CRIME VICTIMS DIANI MONTENEGRO, SHIRLEY BERNSTEIN, GUILIA PAGANO, ROBERT GRAYSON, DR. MICHAEL ROBINSON 37047 CHICAGO (T) 02/23/83 03/06/83 PART II: CRIME FIGHTERS SGT. JOSEPH DUNNE, DET. BILL CLARK, DET./LT. ROBERT GALLAGHER 37047 CHICAGO 03/05/83 03/13/83 FILM CRITICS PREDICT THE OSCARS DAVID DENBY, JANET MASLIN, REX REED, HOWARD KISSEL, STEWART KLEIN 37048 CHICAGO (T) 03/09/83 03/20/83 06/10/84 PART I: PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATES JAMES IRVIN GLOVER, GRADY O'CUMMINGS III, LESTER BYERLEY, GERARD HIMMELMAN 37049 CHICAGO 03/09/83 03/20/83 06/10/84 PART II: IS PSYCHIATRY IN TROUBLE? STEPHEN SONNENBERG, M.D., LAYTON MCCURDY, M.D., ALLEN FRANCES, M.D., STUART YUDOFSKY, M.D. 37049 CHICAGO (T) 03/19/83 03/27/83 06/24/84 PART I: SEMINARY AND CONVENT DROP-OUTS CATHERINE BRUNO, PAUL HENDRICKSON, THOMAS SMITH, MARY GILLIGAN WONG, CHARLES DEVLIN 37050 CHICAGO (T) 03/19/83 03/27/83 PART II: MID-LIFE VOCATIONS SARAH B. TAYLOR, THOMAS H. GAINER, JR., REV. FRANK KILCOYNE, REV. JAMES F. HINCHEY, REV. FRANCIS J. FAJELLA, MSS.A 37050 CHICAGO 03/23/83 04/03/83 10/02/83 A CONVERSATION WITH ROBERT S. STRAUSS 37051 CHICAGO (T) 04/06/83 04/10/83 09/18/83 DEAR ANN LANDERS... ANN LANDERS 37052 CHICAGO 04/06/83 04/10/83 09/18/83 PART II: THE NEW YOUNG IMMIGRANTS CHRISTINA WACHTMEISTER, WILLIAM LEWIISHAM, ASHA PUTHLI, GIANNINA FACIO, FELIPTE PARAUD 37052 CHICAGO 04/13/83 04/17/83 09/25/83 S.R.O. HOTELS NAYNA VALDEZ, JOSEPH HOFFLER, LLOYD SMITH, ISMAEL RIVERA, ROBERT HAMBURGER, ALFRED GUNTHER, "ALICE" 37053 CHICAGO (T) 04/14/83 04/24/83 11/20/83 PART I: ANTHONY BURGESS 37054 CHICAGO (T) 04/23/83 04/24/83 06/08/86 PART II: BARBARA CARTLAND 37054 CHICAGO (T) 04/23/83 05/01/83 PART I: MEN WHO WANT TO MARRY RICH JEAN MORBELLI, DARIUS DE LA ROUCHEFOUCAULD, PATRICK KELLY, ROWEN NEGRIN 37055 CHICAGO (T) 04/23/83 05/01/83 03/11/84 08/05/84 04/13/86 06/22/86 08/24/86 PART II: BEST PLACES TO LIVE DAVID SAVAGEAU, RICHARD BOYER, DR. RONALD MINGE, DR. THOMAS BOWMAN 37055 CHICAGO 04/27/83 05/08/83 05/13/84 10/14/84 WE USED TO BE GAY - FORMER HOMOSEXUALS WILLIAM ATHERTON, DAVID TWOMEY, REV. WAYNE PLUMSTEAD, BRUCE BLAUSTEIN, JOSEPH MEGLINO 37056 CHICAGO (T) 04/27/83 05/08/83 BURN OUT - HOW TO RECOGNIZE AND DEAL WITH IT MICHAEL CRAWFORD, DR. HERBERT FREUDENBERGER, GAIL NORTH, CONNIE DE NAVE, SYLVESTER KARAGIS 37056 CHICAGO 04/30/83 05/15/83 10/09/83 BASEBALL WIVES DANIELLE TORRES, NANCY MARSHALL, BOBBIE BOUTON, KAROLYN ROSE, DIANE PEPITONE 37057 CHICAGO 05/07/83 05/22/83 08/07/83 PART I: LONLINESS JANE ADAMS, JOAN GOULD, JOHN HOLLANDER, MURRAY KELLMAN, MAURA SWANSON 37058 CHICAGO 05/07/83 05/22/83 08/07/83 PART II: PEOPLE MAD AT THE BANKS ALISON ROSENFELD, RON BANYAY, PAGE MELLISH, CALVET HAHN, GAYLE ESSAREY 37058 CHICAGO 05/25/83 05/29/83 07/31/83 01/27/85 BALLET - THE WORLD'S TOUGHEST SPORT CHRISTINE SPIZZO, MERRILL ASHLEY, CHRISTOPHER D'AMBOISE, KEVIN MCKENSIE 37060 CHICAGO (T) 05/25/83 05/29/83 07/31/83 02/12/84 12/22/85 06/15/86 THE LATEST WORD ON FOOTCARE JAMES PARKES, M.D., A. LOUIS SHURE, D.P.M., JOHN WALLER, M.D., MURRAY WEISENFELD, D.P.M. 37060 CHICAGO (T) 05/21/83 06/05/83 DAVID SUSSKIND AND FRIENDS JEAN KENNEDY, DAN BERKOWITZ, SAMANTHA SUSSKIND 37059 CHICAGO (T) 06/08/83 06/11/83 08/14/83 DR. CHARLES CLEMENTS, AN AMERICAN DOCTOR IN EL SALVADOR 37061 CHICAGO (T) 06/11/83 06/19/83 09/11/83 MOTHERS AND DAUGHTERS DEANE W. LORD, MARY CAMERON LORD, LOIS WYSE, KATHERINE GOLDMAN 37062 CHICAGO (T) 06/11/83 06/19/83 09/11/83 PEOPLE WHO HAVE MOVED TO NEW YORK RAYNE BEAUDOIN, BONNIE KOLOC, KEVIN METHENY, MARY SUE MORRIS, KIM STEELE 37062 THE DAVID SUSSKIND SHOW 1983-1984 06/22/83 10/16/83 PART I: WHY CAN'T MEN SHOW AFFECTION?: MALE FRIENDSHIP RICHARD SCHICKEL, HERBERT GOULD, LARRY LEEDS, DAVID MICHEALIS 37063 CHICAGO (T) 10/17/83 10/23/83 07/15/84 A CONVERSATION WITH ANTHONY QUINN 37066 CHICAGO (T) 10/25/83 10/30/83 A MODERN MARK TWAIN: MAYOR ALFRED E. VELLUCCI OF CAMBRIDGE, MASSACHUSETTS 37068 CHICAGO (T) 10/15/83 11/06/83 FRIENDSHIP AMONG WOMEN JOANNA SIMON, CATHY CASH SPELLMAN, DEANE LORD, ALICE WHITE 37065 CHICAGO (T) 10/17/83 11/20/83 PART I: ANTHONY QUINN CONTINUED 37067 CHICAGO 11/23/83 11/27/83 PART I: HELEN GALLAGHER 37072 CHICAGO (T) 11/19/83 11/27/83 PART II: THE MAKING OF CARMEN PETER BROOK, ALEXANDER COHEN, HILDY PARKS 37072 CHICAGO 11/19/83 12/04/83 09/30/84 A PROBING LOOK AT THE RUSSIANS HEDRICK SMITH, DAVID SHIPLER 37071 CHICAGO (T) 11/23/83 12/11/83 07/29/84 PART I: BROADWAY AND HOLLYWOOD LAID BARE MILTON GOLDMAN, ANNA SOSENKO, RADIE HARRIS 37073 CHICAGO 12/10/83 12/18/83 09/09/84 PART I: RESTAURANTEURS SHELDON TANNEN, LELLO ARPAIA, SIRIO MACCIONI, ROBERT MEYZEN, GIANNI GARAVELLI 37069 CHICAGO (T) 10/29/83 12/18/83 09/09/84 PART II: PHOTOGRAPHER NORMAN PARKINSON 37069 CHICAGO (T) 12/17/83 12/25/83 PART I: CARD SHARK FRANK GARCIA 37077 CHICAGO (T) 12/17/83 12/25/83 PART II: SPECTACULAR EVENING GOWNS BY JANA JANA JAFFE DE ROSSELL 37077 CHICAGO (T) 11/30/83 01/01/84 PART I: BETTER THAN EVER: SHOW BUSINESS GREATS JOYCE BRYANT, SHERRY BRITTON 37075 CHICAGO 10/29/83 01/01/84 PART II: NOUVEAU IS BETTER THAN NO RICHE AT ALL MARYLIN BENDER, MONSIEUR MARC 37069 12/10/83 01/08/84 07/22/84 PART I: THE LATEST BREAKTHROUGHS IN THE TREATMENT OF HEART DISEASE MICHAEL DE BAKEY, M.D., ISADORE ROSENFELD, M.D. 37074 CHICAGO (T) 12/14/83 01/15/84 DO WE HAVE THE RIGHT TO KILL OURSELVES? VALERIA, DEREK HUMPHRY, DR. WILLIAM MARRA, PROFESSOR MARVIN KOHL, PROFESSOR DAVID BLEICH, DORIS PORTWOOD 37076 CHICAGO 01/11/84 01/22/84 08/19/84 WARNING: MEDICAL CARE MAY BE HAZARDOUS TO YOUR WEALTH SENATOR LOWELL WEICKER, MARTIN CHERKASKY, M.D., JOHN LARAGH, M.D. 40029 CHICAGO (T) 01/21/84 01/29/84 NEW YORK: A WONDERFUL TOWN MAYOR EDWARD KOCH, LEWIS RUDIN, ANTHONY BLISS 40030 (NY TV MUSEUM) 01/25/84 01/29/84 PART II: "NO NICE GIRL SWEARS" - ALICE-LEONE MOATS 40030 CHICAGO(T) 02/04/84 02/12/84 PART I: FORGET THE FEAR OF FLYING CAPTAIN T.W. 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BENITA EISLER, PAUL FUSSELL, TERRY NOEL TOWE 40038 CHICAGO 03/21/84 04/08/84 08/12/84 PART I: BIG TIME SPORTS ARE NOT FOR MEN ONLY DONNA DEVARONA, KATHERINE SWITZER, GINNY SEIPT, PATRICIA HALL 40037 CHICAGO (T) 03/24/84 04/08/84 08/12/84 PART II: "THE ULTIMATE SEDUCTION": AN INTERVIEW WITH CHARLOTTE CHANDLER 40037 CHICAGO 03/31/84 04/15/84 TOUGH JUDGES TALK ABOUT CRIME AND PUNISHMENT JUDGE BURTON ROBERTS, JUDGE HERBERT STERN 40039 CHICAGO (T) 04/16/84 04/22/84 PART I: EVERYTHING'S UP TO DATE IN KANSAS CITY MAYOR RICHARD L. BERKLEY, SANDRA DAY BERKLEY, ELLIS G. BRADLEY, BEVERLY BRADLEY, J.C. NICHOLS, JR., MARY NICHOLS 40043 CHICAGO (T) 04/16/84 04/22/84 PART II: AN INTERVIEW WITH SIR JAMES MURRAY 40043 04/09/84 04/29/84 09/16/84 AN INTERVIEW WITH A. BARTLETT GIAMATTI, PRESIDENT OF YALE UNIVERSITY 40042 CHICAGO (T) 03/31/84 05/06/84 PART I: YES, MR. MEESE, THERE ARE HUNGRY PEOPLE TOBEY BERMUDEZ, MAGDA MARTIS, AUDREY MINNS, ERNESTINE ROYSTER, FRANK MONTGOMERY, CHARLES TAVENNER, NICK, MORRIS HACKNEY 40040 CHICAGO (T) 03/24/84 05/13/84 10/14/84 PART I: REAL LIFE TOOTSIES: MEN WHO DRESS AS WOMEN ARIADNE KANE, NAOMI, EILEEN, CHERYL 40041 CHICAGO (T) 04/28/84 05/20/84 PART I: SEX IS THEIR BUSINESS DR. IRENE KASSORLA, SHIRLEY LORD, DR. LONNIE BARBACHN 40045 CHICAGO 05/09/84 05/27/84 10/07/84 BRILLIANT MINDS, BRILLIANT CONVERSATION ARTHUR SCHLESINGER, JOHN SIMON, BERNARD LEVIN 40047 CHICAGO (T) 04/25/84 06/03/84 08/26/84 VIETNAM: THE NIGHTMARE NEVER ENDS JOHN CATTERSON, THOMAS LECKINGER, THOMAS BRINSON, LAWRENCE SMITH 40044 CHICAGO 05/23/84 06/17/84 10/28/84 PART I: WOMEN BEHIND BARS - FEMALE EX-CONS FRAN O'LEARY, CONNIE FLYNN, BARBARA JORDAN, ANN MARIE DELONE 40050 CHICAGO (T) 06/12/84 06/17/84 10/28/84 PART II: ALL ABOUT ICE CREAM JOHN R. LESAUVAGE, REUBEN MATTUS, NANCY ARUM, CAROL T. ROBBINS 40050 CHICAGO (T) 06/12/84 06/24/84 A CONVERSATION WITH ROSALYNN CARTER 40052 CHICAGO (T) 06/04/84 07/01/84 PART I: BIG BUSINESSMEN TALK ABOUT EAST-WEST TRADE AND THE CORPORATE IMAGE DWAYNE ANDREAS, DONALD KENDALL 40051 CHICAGO (T) 05/23/84 07/01/84 06/01/86 PART II: OLDER WOMEN FIGHT AGE DISCRIMINATION JEAN PHILLIPS, BETTY ROSEN, DR. JANE PORCINO, SHIRLEY KARNES 40049 CHICAGO (T) 11/16/83 07/08/84 THE POPE OF MODERN ADVERTISING - DAVID OGILVY 37070 CHICAGO (T) THE DAVID SUSSKIND SHOW 1984-1985 10/20/84 11/04/84 STRICTLY PERSONAL: MEETING AND MATING THROUGH THE PERSONAL ADS ANNE ROSEN, HY FINKELMAN, RICHARD KATZ, RITA HALLEY, LOU SPIER, JOAN LERNER, DON FEAREY, URSULA GARRISS 40054 CHICAGO 05/16/84 11/11/84 TOP DIVORCE LAWYERS A. ROBERT ZEFF, WILLIAM G. MULLIGAN, JULIA PERLES, MARVIN MITCHELSON, ROY COHN 40048 CHICAGO (T) 04/28/84 11/18/84 PART I: GLAMOROUS MODELS FROM THE 50s DORIAN LEIGH, NANCY BERG, DOVIMA, CARMEN 40046 CHICAGO (T) 10/13/84 11/18/84 PART II: RISING STARS OF THE 80s CINDY WAITE, VICTORIA PROUTY, CAROL ALT, SAMANTHA PHILLIPS, CARRIE MILLER 40046 CHICAGO 10/27/84 11/25/84 IS THE SEXUAL REVOLUTION OVER? THE RETURN TO CHASTITY SUE ATCHESON, BOB POLLAK, ROBERT MASELLO, SARA NELSON, PAT SKIPPER 40055 CHICAGO (T) 10/27/84 11/25/84 PART II: EXPERTS DR. JUDITH KURIANSKY, DR. CAROL FLAX, ARTHUR KORNHABER, M.D. 40055 10/31/84 12/02/84 PART I: THE MALE MID-LIFE CRISIS: AN INTERVIEW WITH WILLIAM A. 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TAPE: EF02/0240 IN_TIME: 07:04:30 DURATION: 10:03 SOURCES: APTN RESTRICTIONS: DATELINE: Los Angeles, California USA 21 March 2002 SHOTLIST 1. Various: Oscar statues being prepared 2. H Stern 'Red Carpet Collection' necklace (500-thousand US dollars) 3. Various: H Stern diamond collection 4. SOT: (English) Joan Parker, Director Diamond Information Center "Well, the Diamond Information Center put together a collection that's called the Red Carpet Diamond Collection and for all the pieces in there - each one that is going to be worn by someone on the red carpet, ten thousand dollars will be donated by the jeweler to amFAR and H Stern has a piece that has the lar4gest diamond of all of them in the collecting - it's a 23-carat radiant cut diamond, the piece is worth around 500-thousand dollars and if someone has that on on Sunday night - 10-thousand dollars will go to amFAR." 5. Cutaway 23 carat diamond 6. SOT: (English) Joan Parker, Director Diamond Information Center "I think it's partly because diamonds are synonymous with glamour. People think about dressing up and the ultimate evening, with the ultimate necklace and it's diamonds and it's amazing - over the past five years that diamonds have been on every actress that has won - if you think about it. On the stage, she has had on diamonds!" 7. Various: Stuart Weitzman and his million dollar shoes 8. SOT: (English) Stuart Weitzman 'This shoe is a bargain! Now I know - I can see you raised your eyebrows to me - but you know that you can take the diamonds off the shoe and you make a double-banded fabulous bracelet. The top part makes a necklace, these little drops here - depending upon how hip you are can either be a navel ring or earrings - and then you can still wear the platinum shoe!" 9. Various: Christian Tse jewelry 10. SOT: (English) Christian Tse "I've created some of the platinum with blue topaz here with a tear drop and they're faceted both ways. This is a very glamorous look to it - very beautiful. Hopefully there's a dress there - a blue dress that would pick up the stone colour and the platinum and it just shines right on the red carpet there." 11. Various: woman trying on Christian Tse ankle bracelet/earrings 12. Various: Mary Magdalena Gem Cosmetics 13. SOT: (English) Mary Magdalena "Well, what I have here is the most precious cosmetic line in the world because it's made of precious gemstone and it's very precious for the skin so there's amethysts, diamonds, rubies, jade, all of those gemstones are in the colour powders and the powders you can use for your lips, your eyes, your nails and your cheeks and it's very good for the skin. 14. Wide shot Timmy Woods handbags (carved out of wood) 15. SOT: (English) Timmy Woods, Designer "Well, I think that accessories are really important and the emphasis is usually put on the clothing it's not put on the accessories and this is the year of the accessory. So therefore, let's get ourselves out there - let's show that we make wonderful things and let's get the women wearing them." 16. Wide shot woman being made up at Mac Salon 17. Various: make-up at Mac Salon 18. Vidal Sassoon stylists styling 19. Various: woman making Oscar cocktail 20. Women sitting having drinks 21. Woman lounging with self-designed butterfly body art (Leia Angelica) 22. Set-up shots Donald Wressell in Four Seasons pastry kitchen 23. Wressell putting together an Oscar treat 24. SOT: (English) Donald Wressell "What's good about the Four Seasons here in LA is I'm able to do all kinds of things that just really tap into my inspiration and skills and I can do many, many, many things for our guests - our guests are quite special and quite demanding - so I'm able to be pushed a little bit by them to be able to create new things." 25. Various: Chocolate sculpture HOLLYWOOD GRIPPED BY SPENDING FRENZY FOR OSCARS The countdown is on and Tinseltown is spending millions of dollars sprucing itself up in every way imaginable. Across town from the Oscars venue, in the shopping nivana of Beverly Hills, designers of every ilk are renting out suites in the some of the swankiest hotels to hawk their wares. You won't find the man on the street here, though - as these items are the necklaces, shoes, handbags, dresses and make-up that will be shimmer and shine on the red carpet on Oscar day. This week is hectic for The Diamond Information Centre. They have been co-ordinating with designers around the world for a the creation of a 'Red Carpet Collection.' Among the designers who are hoping to have their goods seen are H Stern - who have created, among other things - a necklace for the red carpet collection. Necklaces start at several thousand and quickly zoom into the millions - with a 23-carat diamond as its center piece is part of the Red Carpet collection. But it isn't all about glamour. If a celebrity wears it on the big day - H Stern will make a 10-thousand dollar donation to amFAR - the American Foundation for AIDS research. Down the hall designer Stuart Weitzman is showing off his million dollar shoes. Weitzman dreamt up the idea after last year's Oscar ceremony and has made them a reality this year. They are made of platinum and diamond - but aren't just for strutting around on the red carpet. If diamond shoes aren't your thing - go next door to local designer Christian Tse's room. There you will find modern jewelry - heavy on the platinum, yellow gold and - of course - heavy on the diamonds. Most celebrities borrow the glamorous jewels for the big day. But all the designers agree - if you'd like to buy it afterwards - that's not a problem either. It is unlikely any star will arrive for the Academy Awards without make-up on and designer Maria Magdalena is hoping celebs will try out her new line of couture gem cosmetics. Magdalena, who is based in Holland, was a student of Chinese medicine when she discovered that Chinese Empresses used to crush pearls and diamonds in to their face make-up. She went on to develop a full line of cosmetics which she says harmonizes the ancient power of the earth with high tech skin care. Among the gems she uses for her lip, eye and skin lotions and potions are rubies, diamonds, amethyst, jade and aquamarine. No outfit would be complete without a handbag and designer Timmy Woods is hoping to fill that gap with her wooden and hand-painted hand bags that can start at $200. Downstairs Mac make-up artists are busy at work dolling up everyone from reporters to celebrities who only need to cross the room to get a new coif from Vidal Sassoon's elite team of hair stylists. The average cost of a Oscar harido is a hair-raising $7000. Once you're all dolled up - it's back upstairs for a cocktail at Bacardi's O room - in case you're wondering - that's O for Orange. They've had a special cocktail designed for the big week - and hope it will make a big enough splash that punters will buy it year round. A couple blocks away - The Beverly Hills Four Seasons has their pastry chef working overtime in order to give each guest an Oscar-themed chocolate treat. If that isn't enough dessert though - guests can get an eyeful on chef Donald Wressell's annual chocolate homage to the five nominees for best picture.

London. <br/> <br/>L/S of a room full of people, mostly women. Punch and Judy booth is seen in front of them. Low angle M/S of the inside of the booth showing operator and a girl wearing swimming cap. This is an unusual fashion show in unusual setting - Punch and Judy swimming cap fashion show! Caps are designed by Kleinert. C/U shot of Punch with a girl in white swimming cap named "Trumps". C/U shot of the girl's head as she turns to model the cap. C/U shot of Punch bowing. C/U shot of a girl in the audience - sweet face. <br/> <br/>M/S of Punch with two girls, one at each side, modelling fantastic swimming caps. "Top Notch" is yellow cap with black stripes. Another is white and it is called "Tassel". C/U shot of the girls' heads. Punch pushes the girls downwards. C/U shot of a girl in the audience with feather arrangement in her hair. She is not enjoying the show. M/S of Punch in the corner, leaving space for the new girl to appear. She is wearing a very feminine white cap with floral design called "Flowering Leaves." Flowers float like water lilies. C/U shot of the cap on the girl's head. C/U shot of a woman in the audience with a terrible hat on - looks like an ice bag. Next design is quite ingenious and is modelled by two girls. It is a cap with false curled fringe made of nylon. One girl is "blonde' and another 'brunette'. Punch seems to be amused. M/S of the audience showing mostly middle aged ladies with horrid hats on. Punch presents a girl with red strapless cap. <br/> <br/>Next cap is called "Petal" and it is made of layers of fine rubber petals each secured with a pearl. C/U shot of Punch and a girl followed by the C/U shot of the cap on girl's head. Punch presents next creation called "Ruffles and Bows". Yellow cap with ruffles around and bow at the back. The last creation is called "Spray". A white cap with attractive spray of rubber flowers. C/U shot of Punch watering the flowers, Girl laughs and disappears. Punch follows. <br/> <br/>Note: Girls modelling the caps are Janice Van Ayre, Percy Press, Fay Brooke, Elizabeth Duke and Penny Springs.

TAPE: EF02/0017 IN_TIME: 14:17:36 DURATION: 2:41 SOURCES: APTN/MTV/EXPRESS JEANS RESTRICTIONS: music on catwalks not cleared for use. replace with your own clearable music DATELINE: New York, July 1999 SHOTLIST 1. File VS James King in Victoria's Secret Fashion Show (March '99) 2. C.U. stills of James from magazines 3. VS James on cover of Cosmopolitan magazine 4. Tilt up James King at launch of Cosmopolitan's August issue (99) 5. C.A. photographers 6. Clip from MTV'S "House of Style" segment featuring James King (Courtesy MTV) SOT James King: "Ever since I started modelling I've always been the girl in the G-strings with the breasts out, body hanging out. I've gotten used to walking around naked and pretending that I'm fully clothed. When I'm walking down the runway I look straight ahead and I look to the side so people can see what they're seeing. I try to make sure that my butt looks good. It makes me feel good to have sexy clothes on and to be an actress and to let people see sex oozing out of you on the runway." 7. Clip from Express Jeans Commercial 8. SOT James King (about her involvement in drugs): "All the kids that I knew were smoking pot and messing around with drugs and it just started from there. It escalated into something that was not what I expected it to be. I think my experimenting, it all seemed really innocent, and because people around me were doing harder drugs like coke and heroin and those things, since they were a bit older than me and doing it I thought it was ok. It's all fun when you're young and feel invincible and you don't think anything can touch you and you don't know any different. You really don't." 9. James King on the catwalk 10. SOT James King: "I know that I'm happy in what I'm doing and I know being sober and working and appreciating what I have has done a lot for me. I enjoy life." 11. MTV "House of Style" segment featuring James King (Courtesy MTV) NEW FACE OF REVLON Model-turned-actress James King is joining Halle Berry, Julianne Moore and Rhea Durham as a spokesperson for cosmetic giant Revlon. The 22 year-old model, once labelled as the worst example of heroin chic, will be appearing in both print and television adverts for Revlon's 'Lustrous Lipstick' line and will make appearances at promotional events as part of her year-long contract. The self confessed former drug addict was once described by former US president Bill Clinton as exemplifying everything that was wrong with the fashion industry. The comments was triggered by photos taken by her boyfriend, fashion photographer Davide Sorrenti, of King looking emaciated and ill, which became the fashionable look for early 90s models. Sorrenti later died of a heroin overdose. After a successful catwalk comeback, the Nebraska born supermodel has taken two years away from modelling to launch a career in Hollywood. She played nurse Seaman Betty Bayer alongside Kate Beckinsale in 'Pearl Harbour' last year and followed it with lead roles in two soon to be released comedies, 'Slackers', an 'American Pie' style caper due for release in February, and 'Lone Star State of Mind' with Joshua Jackson in March. Meanwhile King has just landed the female lead in 'Bulletproof Monk' with Chow Yun-Fat and Seann William Scott. The film is based on a comic book and is expected to contain some top quality fight sequences as the same team as 'Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon' is in charge of the choreography. King is currently training for the role and starts shooting next month in Toronto. Executive vice president and general manager at Revlon, Cheryl Vitali said of the appointment: "James is incredibly versatile. Her striking beauty, confidence and talent make her a perfect addition to the Revlon family." James King's first Revlon lipstick advert will debut next month.

TAPE_NUMBER: EN0003 IN_TIME: 11:13:04 LENGTH: 06:09 SOURCES: APTN RESTRICTIONS: All No access Internet, Music rights must be cleared.No re-use/re-sale of Chanel Show without clearance, contact Chanel Press Office on 00 33 1 42 86 28 00 FEED: SCRIPT: xfa Story: Paris Haute couture pt 111 Date: January 18th/19th Location: Paris Irish Hat designer, PHILIP TREACY, presented an unusual Haute Couture Spring/Summer 2000 collection in Paris yesterday (January 18th). Hatsonly shows are very rare in the High Fashion world and certainly Treacy's, at the Hotel George, was an original one. Londonbased milliner Philip Treacy has come a long way since his first show in New York, in April 1997. Soft spoken and private, Treacy is nonetheless a true daredevil in the design world. His chapeaux embrace fantasy and surrealism. Born in County Galway, Ireland, in 1967, Treacy studied at the National College of Art and Design in Dublin before winning a scholarship to London's Royal College of Art in 1988. The spunky originality of the creations at his first shop in Elizabeth Street, London grabbed the attention of designers like John Galliano, Valentino and Karl Lagerfield, with whom Treacy has collaborated on Chanel's couture and readytowear collections for the past six years. Today, Treacy works with such new fashion blood as Alexander McQueen and Bella Freud. Among his private clients are Anjelica Huston and Jerry Hall. Small, colourful, and more theatrical than wearable, Treacy's hats were shown in Paris on Tuesday with outfits donated by many Haute Couture designers for the occasion. Treacy once said that a good hat is "like a modern and cheaper form of cosmetic surgery". Not that supermodel NAOMI CAMPBELL needed it. Her appearance at Treacy's show marked her first in Haute Couture this season. Over at the Bois de Boulogne, fashion kaiser KARL LAGERFELD presented a very '50's collection with light pastel colours for the house of Chanel. And on hand to admire the veteran designer's work were films stars CAROLE BOUQUET, CHARLOTTE GAINSBOURG AND KRISTEN SCOTTTHOMAS. What they saw will not shake the world apart, but were splendid Chanel styles: the classic pink tweed suit with a pleated skirt, lavender and navy kneelength suits with flared, and wrapped skirts. Fitted or boxy jackets, sometimes fastened with gold and pearl Chanel safety pins looked traditional yet wonderfully uptodate. Long taffeta jackets and longer skirts had something of the ridingoutfit look of last century, but also a less uptight taste of the good old 1947 New Look. The almost anklelength organza skirts couldn't look lighter, and an occasional evening gown in square silky panels fairly bobbed by. Colours from hot chartreuse or amethyst to flame red trotted jauntily round the ring and up on a platform. And if the frilly miniskirted ballerina in pink was a bit fey, the icy tones of charmeuse satin in biascut dresses showed off the Lagerfeld knowhow. Absolutely perfect for a fashion fan would be the long almond green dress with sparkly fieldflower embroideries crawling up the skirt. And to close the riding ring's gala gallop were a puffy strapless iridescent pink motherofpearl taffeta gown and the ivory taffetaclad bridal gown both fluttering with ostrich feathers as were many of the other outfits in the lively show. Like John Galliano showing for Dior this week, Lagerfeld dared to flout the conventions of haute couture, presenting a range of odd, even raggedy costumes on the runway. Some thought this irreverence brilliant. But it's even harder to show fascinating wearable clothes than junkheap attractions. While the likes of Galliano and Treacy are firmly established in the upper echelons of fashion, Paris is also about showcasing new talent on the world's biggest fashion stage. This year all eyes were on the Russian duo of VLADIMIR SERERDIN and SERGUEI VASILIEV who were making their haute couture debut. It' s a far cry from their days at a Moscow design school ten years ago when they could only dream of Paris fashion. But slowly and surely from inauspicious beginnings, they started making clothes combined a Russian taste for decoration and folkoric knit with the flamboyance of a Versace, selling to stores and creating costumes for the theatre and opera. Even before their first show hit the runway on Monday (January 17th), Paris had a taste of their work in the windows of Maria Luisa, a designerlabel mecca at 2 Rue Cambon. The duo who are already firm favourites with Moscow's well heeled shoppers, put on a show designed to grab the headlines. An array of outlandish head gear such as knee length blonde wigs often was the order of the day as their clothes took a back seat to bizarre and funny visual gimmicks. SHOTLIST: VS BACKSTAGE PREPARATIONS SEREDIN AND VASILIEV SHOW ; VS MODELS BEING MADE UP ; WS SEREDIN AND VASILIEV ; SOT SEREDIN (LEFT) AND VASILIEV (RIGHT) ; HIGHLIGHTS SEREDIN AND VASILIEV SHOW ; HIGHLIGHTS CHANEL SHOW ; KARL LAGERFELD ON STAGE AT END OF SHOW ; VS BACKSTAGE PREPARATION PHILIP TREACY SHOW ; SOT TREACY ; HIGHLIGHTS TREACY SHOW (BEGINNING AND ENDING WITH NAOMI CAMPBELL ; TREACY ON STAGE WITH CAMPBELL ?

M/S of a model seen against a red velvet backdrop. C/Us of her upswept hairdo as she turns her head so we can see the 'do' (looks quite 60s'); the hair seems to be lacquered within an inch of it's life, with a silver-pink tint, and the large upswept curls are held in place by some curled pink feathers. Commentator tells us this new hair do is by Mayfair stylist René. <br/> <br/>C/U of a brunette's upswept chignon held in place by a geometric white feather headpiece. Model turns her head to show us the style. She wears a huge fluffy fur collar. C/Us of blonde model with another upswept hairstyle; this one rather larger than the first two. In the centre of the front of the hairdo is a posy of violets; a violet tulle veil comes over the girl's face; it is attached on top of the 'do' and comes down over the back of her hair. Very pretty, it looks rather 1940s'. <br/> <br/>Commentator says Rene's "masterstroke, his inspiration for the year, is the 'trump line'", as we see C/U of a model holding a card showing the ace of clubs over a kind of lattice screen; tilt up to show her hair in a 'club' shape. C/U of the waves in her hair, one on each side and one over the top of her head. C/U of a model holding the ace of hearts before her eyes; she is wearing a red eye-mask with white trim. She removes the card and the eye-mask at the same time to show her 'heart' hairdo; quite bouffant and highly back combed. <br/> <br/>Bizarre C/U of a model with head tilted down, holding a large feathered eye-mask over her face; she has a small feathered crown, resting on a large feather diamond on her hair; she licks her glossy lips before taking the mask away and lifting her head to smile at us. She turns her head; C/U of her hair and feathers; the 'prong' of each golden crown feather has a pearl on it. C/U of a model whisking a black fan and the ace of spades card away from her face; this brunette's hair is all teased upwards to a point on top of her head. She doesn't look too happy about it. <br/> <br/>Note: some of these 'dos' seem to me very ahead of their time. Four lovely prints are on file: charcoal outlines of the Club, Heart, Spade and (not seen) Espior hairdos.

09:00:00 MANY MONTHS TO GET THAT MONEY OUT. 09:00:01 >> HAD THERE EVER BEEN ANOTHER INSTANCE OF WHERE THE SYSTEM HAD 09:00:07 BEEN DISABLED? >> WE'RE NOT AWARE OF ANY. 09:00:11 .. >> IF THEY USE CHASEPOINT, I'M 09:00:53 NOT SAYING THEY CAN ELIMINATE FRAUD BUT CAN MAKE A SIGNIFICANT 09:00:56 DENT IN FRAUD, WASTE AND ABUSE BY UP IMPLEMENTING MAIN OF THOSE 09:01:00 CONTROLS PEOPLE FEMA OR OTHER ONES THIS DO -- CHOICE POINT 09:01:05 DOES, IMPLEMENTING THE CONTROLS. >> I STILL GO BACK TO THE POINT, 09:01:08 YOU CAN TALK ABOUT CONTROLS, YOU CAN WRITE THEM DOWN ON A PIECE 09:01:12 OF PAPER BUT SOMEBODY NEEDS TO TEST THESE CONTROLS, BECAUSE, 09:01:17 QUITE HONESTLY IT IS LIKE EVERYTHING ELSE, YOU CAN SAY YOU 09:01:20 FOUND THE PROPERTY BUT UNTIL YOU TOUCH IT YOU REALLY DON'T KNOW 09:01:22 IF YOU HAVE IT AND IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, YOU TAN CAULK 09:01:26 ABOUT THE CONTROL BUT I REALLY THINK THERE HAS TO BE SOME TYPE 09:01:29 OF AN AGREEMENT WHERE SOMEONE WILL ACTUALLY COME IN AND TEST 09:01:33 WHAT YOU ARE ACTUALLY PUTTING ON A PIECE OF PAPER AND UNTIL THAT 09:01:36 IS DONE, I'M NOT REALLY HAPPY THAT IT WILL BE SATISFACTORY. 09:01:45 >> WHAT I'M HEARING IS UNTIL YOU HAVE A CHANCE TO REVIEW THIS YOU 09:01:48 ARE NOT IN A POSITION TO SAY WHETHER IT MEETS THE KIND OF 09:01:52 SPECIFICATIONS AN STANDARDS YOU WANT TO SEE TO PREVENT FURTHER 09:01:55 WASTE, FRAUD AND ABUSE. >> NOT ONLY REVIEW IT, BUT YOU 09:01:57 HAVE TO TEST IT. THERE IS GOING TO BE SO MANY 09:02:00 DIFFERENT CIRCUMSTANCES THAT COME UP, WE HAVE SO MANY 09:02:04 CITIZENS NEEDED ASSISTANCE, THEY ARE GOING TO HAVE DIFFERENT 09:02:06 STORIES AND DIFFERENT SITUATIONS S YOU HAVE TO BE ABLE TO TEST 09:02:10 YOUR PROGRAM, FIND OUT WHERE YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE AN OVERFLOW OF 09:02:14 PROBLEMS AND MAKE SURE THAT YOU CAN PLAN FOR YOUR MANPOWER SO 09:02:17 THAT YOU CAN HANDLE THOSE SITUATIONS, TO MAKE SURE THE 09:02:21 PEOPLE THAT NEED THE ASSISTANCE GET IT AS QUICKLY AS THEY 09:02:23 POSSIBLY CAN. >> SENATOR, CAN I ADD? 09:02:26 WE DID TEST, I MEAN, WITH THIS DISASTER WE TESTED AND THAT IS 09:02:29 ONE OF THE RESULTS OF THE TEST IS THEM SENDING IS MONEY, 09:02:32 BECAUSE WE WENT IN WITH BOGUS INFORMATION AND TESTED THE 09:02:35 SYSTEM VARIOUS WAYS TO SEE IF WE COULD BEAT IT AND THAT IS ONE OF 09:02:38 THE RESULTS AND DID IT DONE THE HALL FROM OUR OFFICES. 09:02:41 >> AND IN TERMS OF TESTING, SOME OF THE SCENARIOS, I MEAN, ONE -- 09:02:45 LET'S SAY THERE WERE TWO BACK-TO-BACK DISASTERS, DO WE 09:02:49 HAVE A SENSE OF HOW THE SYSTEM WOULD OPERATE UNDER THOSE 09:02:52 CIRCUMSTANCES. >> THEY HAVE AN EDIT THAT CAN 09:02:55 ACTUALLY IDENTIFY PEOPLE MAKING CLAIMS FOR BOTH DISASTERS. 09:03:00 IN THE PARTICULAR CASE, BASED ON THE WORK WE DID, WE FOUND THAT 09:03:04 THE -- THEY TURNED THE EDIT OFF. THEREFORE, IF THE EDIT WAS IN 09:03:08 PLACE, THEY WOULD HAVE BEEN ABLE TO IDENTIFY POTENTIAL TARGETS. 09:03:12 WE ARE NOT SAYING ALL OF THE INDIVIDUALS WHO HAVE DUPLICATE 09:03:15 PAYMENT ARE FRAUD CASES. BUT, WE HAVE TALK TO THE TASK 09:03:20 FORCE IN LOUISIANA, MR. DUGAS AT JUSTICE AND WE BELIEVE THESE 09:03:24 CASES ARE WORTHY OF REFERRING TO THEM FOR FURTHER INVESTIGATION. 09:03:28 >> I WANT TO FOCUS ON AT LEAST THE SYSTEM THAT APPEARS TO BE 09:03:31 ESTABLISHED IN PLACE REGARDING IDENTITY VERIFICATION. 09:03:35 ONE OF THE CONCERNS YOU RAISED WAS THE -- THAT YOU USED SOCIAL 09:03:39 SECURITY NUMBERS AND THE PEOPLE USE THE SOCIAL SECURITY NUMBERS 09:03:41 THAT WERE NOT THEIR OWN, COULD GET DISASTER ASSISTANCE. 09:03:44 DO YOU HAVE ANY ESSENTIAL OF WHETHER THIS SYSTEM WOULD BE 09:03:47 ABLE TO IDENTIFY FOLKS USING IMPROPER SOCIAL SECURITY NUMBERS 09:03:52 OR WHETHER THIS SYSTEM WOULD IDENTIFY SOMEONE WHO IS NOT A 09:03:56 U.S. CITIZEN, THE PARAMETERS OF WHETHER THIS PROBLEM WOULD BE 09:03:59 ADDRESSED WITH THE SYSTEM IN PLACE RIGHT NOW? 09:04:01 >> THE CHOICEPOINT SYSTEM COULD HAVE IDENTIFIED IF ONE PERSON 09:04:05 TRIED TO GET IN WITH BAD INFORMATION. 09:04:07 MOST CASES THERE ARE EXCEPTIONS TO THAT. 09:04:09 I THINK THE FOREIGN STUDENTS COULD HAVE GOTTEN THROUGH IF 09:04:12 THEY HAD SOCIAL SECURITY NUMBERS THERE IS NO WAY TO TELL THEY 09:04:15 WERE INELIGIBLE FOR THE STUDENT. ONE OF THE OTHER PROBLEMS, 09:04:19 PEOPLE USED THE SAME SOCIAL SECURITY NUMBER 20 TIMES AND 09:04:21 WERE ABLE TO GET -- AND HOPEFULLY THEY'VE PUT IN 09:04:23 SOMETHING, AFTER CHICAGO POINT SAYS THAT IS A REAL SOCIAL 09:04:25 SECURITY NUMBER, SOMEONE IS MAKING SURE THEY ARE NOT 09:04:28 REGISTERING 20 TIMES. WITH THE SAME NUMBER. 09:04:31 >> I WOULD HOPE YOU WOULD DO WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE TO FIGURE 09:04:34 OUT WAYS TO ENSURE THAT -- WELL, MAYBE THAT IS OR RESPOND, THE 09:04:38 SYSTEM IS TESTED AND THAT IT IS CHECKED. 09:04:42 I HATE TO COME BACK AFTER THE NEXT DISASTER WITH SIMILAR 09:04:45 PROBLEMS AND THE RESPONSE IS WE THOUGHT IT WORKED BUT DIDN'T 09:04:48 KNOW AND IN THE END IT DIDN'T WORK. 09:04:50 THANK YOU, MADAME CHAIR. >> THANK YOU, MADAME CHAIR. 09:04:55 COULD YOU ASK SOMEONE TO PUT UP THE VERY FIRST POSTER THAT WAS 09:04:59 UP? >> JUST TELL US AGAIN WHAT WE 09:05:13 HAVE HERE. STARTING FROM THE LEFT, LOOKS 09:05:14 LIKE A BILLION DOLLARS, THE GAO ESTIMATE OF IMPROPER STATEMENTS. 09:05:21 >> 2006 AND THAT WAS BASED UPON A STATISTICAL SAMPLE WE DID OF 09:05:24 EVERY PAYMENT AND REGISTRATION THAT WAS MAY. 09:05:27 >> AND AS OF ABOUT A MONTH AGO IT LOOKS LIKE FEMA IDENTIFIED 09:05:32 ROUGHLY 30% OF -- >> IMPROPER PAYMENTS. 09:05:37 >> AND THEY'VE GONE OUT AND COLLECTED $7 MILLION WHICH IS 09:05:43 ABOUT 2-3%. >> RIGHT. 09:05:44 >> OF THE AMOUNT. WOULD YOU SAY THE $7 MILLION, 09:05:48 2-3% IS ABOUT WHAT YOU WOULD EXPECT? 09:05:50 A BIT LOW? I CAN'T RATION IT IS A BIT HIGH. 09:05:56 HOW WOULD YOU CHARACTERIZE IT. >> I EXPECT A COUPLE PENNIES ON 09:05:59 THE DOLLAR. I DON'T EXPECT A LOT MORE. 09:06:01 MAYBE OVER TIME THEY'LL GET MORE AND IT GETS INTO THE OTHER ISSUE 09:06:04 AND I THINK SENATOR COLLINS MENTIONED, FEMA ALSO HAS MAYBE 09:06:07 $8 MILLION OF RECEIVABLES NOW AND NOW FEMA IS BECOMING A DEBT 09:06:11 COLLECTION AGENCY AND THAT IS NOT THE PURPOSE WANT FEMA DOING 09:06:14 AND SO, BUT, CERTAINLY, THEY COULD POTENTIALLY GET MORE BUT 09:06:17 IT WILL NOT BE MUCH AT THE END OF THE DAY. 09:06:20 >> ARE THERE OTHERS, OTHER ENTITIES, PUBLIC OR PRIVATE, TO 09:06:23 WHOM THEY COULD DISPATCH OR TURN OVER THE RESPONSIBILITY FOR DEBT 09:06:29 COLLECTION, MAYBE THEY'VE ALREADY DONE THAT. 09:06:30 I DON'T KNOW. >> THE WAY IT IS SUPPOSED TO 09:06:32 WORK, ONCE THEY'VE ISSUED THE LITERS, SAYING YOU SO US THIS 09:06:38 MONEY BACK, ET CETERA, AFTER A CERTAIN PERIOD OF TIME THE WAY 09:06:40 THE GOVERNMENT PROCESS WORKS, THEY ARE SUPPOSED TO REFER IT TO 09:06:43 THE TREASURY DEPARTMENT WHO HAS AN OFFSET PROGRAM AND ULTIMATELY 09:06:45 IT WILL END UP WITH COLLECTION AGENTS POSSIBLY AND THEY MAY OFF 09:06:49 SIT AGAINST THINGS LIKE REFUND, TAX REFUNDS OR OTHER THINGS AND 09:06:53 THERE IS A PROCESS FEMA SHOULD FOLLOW, ONCE IT GETS AFTER A 09:06:57 CERTAIN AGE GOES TO TREASURY AND COLLECTION AGENTS AND THEY 09:06:59 OFFSET AGAINST OTHER GOVERNMENT DISBURSEMENTS. 09:07:01 >> ARE YOU AWARE OF ANYTHING THAT WE SHOULD BE DOING ON THIS 09:07:04 COMMITTEE OR IN CONGRESS TO INCREASE THAT NUMBER FROM 7 09:07:10 MILLION, TO SOMETHING HIGHER THAN THAT, TO TAKE OR -- MAKE I 09:07:16 $290 MILLION, BEING IDENTIFIED CLOSER TO THE BILLION DOLLARS 09:07:20 THAT IT -- YOU INVITED -- IDENTIFIEDEN YOUR EARLIER WORK. 09:07:25 >> WE UNDERSTAND THEY'VE SHARED WITH SOME OF THE COMMITTEE STAFF 09:07:30 THERE IS MORE REKRUMENTS THAT THEY -- RECOUPMENTS THAT CAN 09:07:34 MAKE THE $290 MILLION GROW, THE QUESTION IS, HOW CAN YOU COLLECT 09:07:39 THE MONEY FROM THE PEOPLE, IF THEY ARE FRAUDSTERS, THEY ARE 09:07:43 NE AND IF IT IS PEOPLE WHO MY MIGHT NOT BE FRAUD LEN AND I'LL 09:07:47 USE THE STUDENTS, A LOT OF STUDENTS APPARENTLY SPENT THE 09:07:50 MONEY AND NOW SAY TO OUR PEOPLE, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A HARD TIME 09:07:52 PAYING THE MONEY BACK. SO, AGAIN, IF YOU SPENT THE 09:07:56 MONEY ITS HARD TO PAY IT BACK SOMETIMES. 09:07:58 OWE, IT WILL -- SO IT WILL BE, I THINK GOOD MANAGEMENT CAN GET 09:08:02 SEVERAL PERCENT BUT WILL BE HARD TO IMAGINE THEM GETTING A LOT 09:08:05 BUT WHAT YOU C DO IS PROVIDE OVERSIGHT OF FEMA TO MAKE SURE 09:08:09 THEY ARE FOLLOWING THE RIGHT PROCESSES, BECAUSE THE MORE 09:08:12 EFFECTIVE WAY IS FRAUD PREVENTION AND NOW THAT YOU ARE 09:08:14 HERE WHERE YOU ARE WE WANT TO SEE PEOPLE RECOVER AS MUCH AS 09:08:17 POSSIBLE. >> I THINK WHAT YOU SAID, THERE 09:08:20 IS REALLY CRITICAL, AND THE IMPORTANT THING IS FOR US TO DO 09:08:23 THE JOB AT THE FRONT END AND FEMA TO DO THE RIGHT JOB AT THE 09:08:26 FRONT END, WHEN THE MONEY IS OUT IT IS FOR THE MOST PART, GONE, 09:08:30 OUT OF HERE. COULD YOU LOOK AT THE SECOND 09:08:35 POSTER THAT YOU HAD UP THERE, PLEASE? 09:08:44 JUST EXPLAIN THIS ONE AGAIN FOR YOU, IF YOU WOULD, BRIEFLY. 09:08:47 >> YES. THIS IS INDIVIDUAL THAT ARE 09:08:49 STAYING AT FEMA PROVIDED HOUSING AND IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE IT 09:08:52 IS MOBILE HOMES AN TRAILERS. COULD BE AHO TELL, HOTELS HAVE 09:08:55 THE SAME ISSUE, APARTMENTS HAVE THE SAME ISSUE. 09:08:58 THEY ARE ENTITLED TO FREE HOUSING UNDER THE PROGRAM, IF 09:09:00 THEY ARE A LEGIT MAT VICTIM AND WHAT THE PROBLEM IS AT THE SAME 09:09:04 TIME THEY HAVE FREE HOUSING FEMA SENT A CHECK REIMBURSING THEM 09:09:08 FOR RENTAL THEY WERE NOT INCURRING AND THE GOVERNMENT 09:09:10 BASICALLY PAID TWICE FOR THESE INDIVIDUALS' HOUSING AND WHETHER 09:09:14 IT ES FRAUD DEPENDS ON CERTAIN CASES AND SOME MIGHT BE PEOPLE, 09:09:16 SAY, HEY I GOT A CHECK FROM FEMA FOR RENTAL ASSISTANCE THOUGH I'M 09:09:20 STAYING AT A FREE HOTEL OR IN THIS CASE A MOBILE HOME OR 09:09:23 TRAILER. AND THAT IS WHAT THAT REPRESENTS 09:09:26 AND AGAIN YOU ARE PAYING TWICE FOR THE SAME THING. 09:09:28 >> THE COURTS RECENTLY RULED THAT -- AT LEAST, FEDERAL 09:09:33 DISTRICT COURT RECENTLY RULED FEMA NEEDED TO CONTINUE 09:09:37 PROVIDING HOUSING ASSISTANCE FOR A NUMBER OF PEOPLE WHO HAVE BEEN 09:09:40 DISPLACED. HOW DOES THAT FIT INTO THIS 09:09:45 SITUATION, OR DOES IT? >> IT MAY. 09:09:47 I MEAN, I THINK ONE OF THE ISSUES IS, FEMA MAKING SURE 09:09:49 PEOPLE ARE ALERTED AS TO WHAT THEY ARE SUPPOSED TO SPEND THE 09:09:52 MONEY ON AND GETS BACK TO THE SAME THING, THE DEBIT CARDS AND 09:09:55 FEMA WAS NOT TELLING PEOPLE HOW TO SPEND THE MONEY AND GOT INTO 09:09:58 CERTAIN ISSUES BUT I'M NOT SURE HOW IT RELATES, THERE MAY BE 09:10:03 OVERLAP WITH THE ISSUE. >> WHAT KIND OF ASSURANCES CAN 09:10:05 YOU GIVE US THAT LOOKING AHEAD TO THE NEXT DISASTER OR NEXT 09:10:09 HURRICANE OR FLOOD, THAT FEMA HAS LEARNED LESSONS, SO THAT WE 09:10:13 WON'T REPLICATE THESE PROBLEMS IN THE FUTURE, BECAUSE AS YOU 09:10:17 POINTED OUT, ONCE THE MONEY IS GONE, IT IS GONE. 09:10:19 >> ONE OF THE FRUSTRATING PARTS FROM WHERE WE SIT IS WE CAN'T DO 09:10:23 IT, WE CAN ONLY RECOMMEND IT, BUT WE HAVE GIVEN THEM WHAT WE 09:10:27 THINK ARE PRACTICABLE, IMPLEMENTABLE RECOMMENDATIONS 09:10:30 THAT DON'T NECESSARILY HARJ LEGITIMATE VICTIMS BUT HELP US 09:10:33 REDUCE FRAUD, WASTE AND ABUSE AND SO, SRM OUR FOLLOW-UP AND 09:10:36 MAYBE THIS COMMITTEE'S FOLLOW-UP WOULD BE USEFUL IN HOLDING 09:10:40 FEMA'S FEET TO THE FIRE AND MAKING SURE THEY DO BETTER NEXT 09:10:43 TIME AND WE'D BE MORE THAN WILLING TO WORK WITH THE 09:10:46 COMMITTEE ON THAT POINT. >> THAT IS ONE OUR SUBCOMMITTEE 09:10:48 MAY WANT TO LOOK AT THE NEXT YEAR AS WELL. 09:10:50 THANKS TO BOTH OF YOU FOR YOUR CONTINUED SERVICE. 09:10:56 >> I'D LIKE TO RETURN TO THE POSTER BOARD OF THE DISASTER 09:11:01 ASSISTANCE CHECK RECEIVED BY GAO. 09:11:05 MR. RYAN, AT FIRST, EXPLAIN TO ME HOW SOMEONE FROM GAO RECEIVED 09:11:11 THIS. >> WE TESTED THE SYSTEM. 09:11:15 WE TESTED THE SYSTEM TO SEE IF THE CONTROL, THE UP-FRONT 09:11:19 CONTROLS WERE IN PLACE TO STOP A PERSON LIKE MYSELF AND THE 09:11:24 AGENTS THAT SIT BEHIND ME FROM STEALING THE MONEY. 09:11:27 WE CREATED IDENTITIES, WE USED SOCIAL SECURITY NUMBERS THAT 09:11:30 WERE NOTLY,ED TO THOSE IDENTITIES, AND -- NOT LINKED TO 09:11:34 THOSE IDENTITIES AND WENT ON-LINE FIRST TO TRY TO 09:11:37 REGISTER. WE WERE NOT SUCCESSFUL. 09:11:39 BECAUSE OF THE ON-LINE VERIFICATION PROCESS, STOPPED US 09:11:43 BECAUSE IT IDENTIFIED US NOT AS REAL PEOPLE. 09:11:46 HOWEVER, THE SYSTEM SAID IF YOU DON'T GET THROUGH, CALL US. 09:11:50 WELL, WE CALLED, USED THE SAME INFORMATION, AND WE WERE ABLE TO 09:11:54 REGISTER. WE PROVIDED DOCUMENTATION, WHICH 09:11:58 WE COUNTERFEITED, MANUFACTURED, THEY ACCEPTED IT, AND IN THE 09:12:03 PROCESS, PROCEEDED TO SEND US THIS CHECK ALONG WITH OTHER 09:12:07 CHECKS. >> ISN'T IT PRETTY EASY TO 09:12:12 VERIFY AN IDENTITY AND A SOCIAL SECURITY NUMBER TO MAKE SURE 09:12:15 THAT THEY MATCH? WOULDN'T IT BE PRETTY EASY TO 09:12:19 PREVENT THIS KIND OF BLATANT FRAUD? 09:12:22 >> I THINK THAT FEMA, IN USING THE INTERNET SYSTEM, HAD THE 09:12:26 RIGHT IDEA. I THINK IT WAS A GREAT START. 09:12:28 BUT, THE PROBLEM WAS, THAT YOU WENT TWO DIFFERENT PATHS AND 09:12:32 THEY DIDN'T FOLLOW THE SAME PROCESS. 09:12:34 IF YOU -- IF YOU ARE GOING TO DO IT ON THE LEFT YOU SHOULD DO IT 09:12:37 ON THE RIGHT AND THERE IS WHERE THE VULNERABILITY EXISTED. 09:12:40 >> WE TRIED TO GET INTO THE INTERNET, TO THE WEB AND GOT 09:12:44 KICK BACK. SO, WE WENT TO THE PHONE CALLS 09:12:47 AND THE VERY SAME PEOPLE WHO GOT KICK OUT AND THEY DIDN'T KEEP 09:12:50 TRACK OF WHO GOT KICKED OUT EITHER TO MAKE SURE IF THEY 09:12:53 CALLED, THEY'D SAY YOU TRIED AND WE REJECTED YOU ANDIDN'T HAVE 09:12:57 THAT IN PLACE. >> AND WHILE THERE WERE CONTROLS 09:12:59 IF YOU APPLIED VIA THE INTERNET, THOSE SAME CONTROLS DID NOT 09:13:04 EXIST IF YOU CALLED UP AND APPLIED, WHICH IS WHY YOU WERE 09:13:09 SUCCESSFUL WHEN YOU USED THE TELEPHONE APPLICATION PROCESS, 09:13:12 CORRECT. >> CORRECT. 09:13:15 >> WHAT IS STUNNING ABOUT THIS IS, IT IS NOT A VERY 09:13:20 SOPHISTICATED FRAUD TO MAKE UP AN IDEITY AND A SOCIAL 09:13:23 SECURITY NUMBER AND YET, IT WAS SUCCESSFUL. 09:13:26 BUT YOU FIRST TESTIFIED ABOUT DOING THIS BACK IN FEBRUARY, IF 09:13:32 YOU -- IF MEMORY SERVES ME CORRECTLY. 09:13:36 SO THIS RAISES ANOTHER INTERESTING QUESTION. 09:13:39 HAS FEMA TRIED TO RECOUP THIS MONEY? 09:13:43 >> WE HAVEN'T RECEIVED A RECOUPING LETTER. 09:13:46 AND WE HAVE NOT CASHED THE CHECKS. 09:13:48 WHICH IS KIND OF A CLUE THAT MAYBE YOU NEED TO BE LOOKING AT 09:13:52 WHO IS SPENDING THE MONEY. WE ARE PROBABLY THE ONLY PEOPLE 09:13:56 THAT HAVEN'T CASHED THE CHECKS, SO -- 09:13:58 >> THAT I WOULD GUESS. MR. KUNTZ, BASED ON THE -- KUTZ 09:14:07 BASED ON THE REVIEW AND INVESTIGATION YOU HAVE DONE, 09:14:10 WHAT DO YOU THINK THE REAL LIKELIHOOD IS OF FEMA BEING ABLE 09:14:14 TO RECOVER A SUBSTANTIAL AMOUNT OF THE IMPROPER FRAUDULENT 09:14:19 PAYMENT, LET'S SAY -- LET'S SAY 50%. 09:14:23 >> ALMOST ZERO% CHANCE. >> BECAUSE IN MANY CASES AS YOU 09:14:29 HAVE POINTED OUT, IF SOMEONE DELIBERATELY COMMITTED FRAUD 09:14:34 THEY WILL NOT STICK AROUND TO BE CAUGHT. 09:14:38 >> RIGHT. >> RIGHT. 09:14:40 >> BUT SECOND, IF SOMEONE RECEIVED A CHECK AND THOUGHT, 09:14:43 GEE, WHAT GOOD FORTUNE THAT I GOT THIS PAYMENT OR MAYBE I'M 09:14:46 ALLOWED TO CORRECT TWICE BECAUSE IT WAS TWO DIFFERENT HURRICANES, 09:14:49 ISN'T IT VERY LIKELY THAT MONEY IS LONG GONE? 09:14:52 >> YES. AND AGAIN THEY SPENT IT, AGAIN, 09:14:54 LIKE OUR RECENT EXAMPLES OF THE STUDENTS, MANY OF THEM HAD SPENT 09:14:57 THE MONEY ALREADY AND WHAT THEY SPENT IT ON WE DIDN'T FOLLOW UP 09:15:00 ON BUT, YEAH, THEY WERE GOING TO HAVE A HARD TIME PAYING IT BACK 09:15:04 NOW. >> MR. RYAN, I UNDERSTAND THAT 09:15:07 YOU INVESTIGATED THE CASE OF THE CRAB HOUSE WHERE THE 25 09:15:14 TEMPORARY WORKERS RECEIVED OVER $150,000. 09:15:18 IN ASSISTANCE DESPITE THE FACT THAT THEY WERE CLEARLY 09:15:22 INELIGIBLE. SHOULD FEMA HAVE KNOWN THAT THE 09:15:26 WORKERS WERE SHOULD NOT RECEIVE THIS ASSISTANCE? 09:15:30 DID YOU FIND ANY EVIDENCE THAT FEMA HAD DOCUMENTED THAT SHOULD 09:15:35 HAVE RAISED RED FLAGS ABOUT THIS ELIGIBILITY. 09:15:39 >> IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, THE INDIVIDUAL WERE HERE ON WORK 09:15:42 VISAS. THEY WERE WORKING AT THE CRAB 09:15:45 HOUSE, WHEN THE HURRICANE CAME, THE OWNER TOOK THE EMPLOYEES AND 09:15:48 WENT TO NA. WHILE THEY WERE IN FLORIDA THE 09:15:52 OWNER OF THE BUSINESS MADE SURE THEY HAD ALL THEIR WORKING VISAS 09:15:55 TOOK THEM DOWN TO FEMA AND PROVIDED THE VISAS, PROVIDED THE 09:16:00 LOCATION TO THE WORKER TO GO TO, AND THE EVIDENCE THAT THEY WERE 09:16:04 -- HAD A WORKING VISA. AND IT WAS PRESENTED TO FEMA, 09:16:08 SOME OF THE DOCUMENTATION WAS RECORDED IN THE DATABASE. 09:16:11 AND WHEN WE REVIEWED IT, WE FOUND IT. 09:16:20 WHAT I'D LIKE TO BRING OUT IS IN THE APPLICATION PROCESS, THE 09:16:24 QUESTION IS ASKED, ARE YOU A LEGAL ALIEN AND IN THESE 09:16:27 PARTICULAR CASES WITHOUT FURTHER EXPLANATION OR AN UNDERSTANDING 09:16:30 BY THE FEMA EMPLOYEE, THESE PEOPLE WERE LEGAL ALIENS. 09:16:34 AND THEY WERE HERE ON PROPER WORK VISAS. 09:16:38 WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE IS, IS THAT IF YOU ARE GOING TO ASK 09:16:41 THAT QUESTION, YOU NEED TO HAVE EITHER A DROP-DOWN SCREEN OR ASK 09:16:46 THE APPROPRIATE FOLLOW-UP QUESTION, ARE YOU HERE ON A 09:16:48 STUDENT VISA, ARE YOU HERE ON A H1 OR H2-TYPE VISA SO THERE IS A 09:16:54 BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF THE PERSON WHO IS PRESENTING THE 09:16:56 INFORMATION SO THEY CAN DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT THEY 09:16:58 ARE ENTITLED OR NOT ENTITLED. SO, IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, I 09:17:02 WILL SAY THAT THESE 5 PEOPLE WHO GOT MONEY, I CANNOT TELL YOU IF 09:17:08 THEY WERE LEGAL OR NOT LEGAL. I CAN'T TELL YOU IF THE VISAS 09:17:12 WERE VALID OR INVALLEY. I CAN'T TELL YOU IF -- IN VALID, 09:17:17 I CAN'T TELL YOU IF THEY SHOULD HAVE OR SHOULDN'T HAVE GOTTEN 09:17:20 BENEFITS, I WILL TELL YOU, THOUGH, WE REFERRED IT TO THE 09:17:23 TASK FORCE AND BELIEVE THE PEOPLE OUGHT TO BE INTERVIEWED 09:17:25 AND CRIMINAL CASES STARTED AGAINST THEM. 09:17:27 >> AND SOME OF THEM PROVIDED FICTITIOUS INFORMATION AND ARE 09:17:32 SUSPICIOUS FRAUD CASES, THE ONES WITH THE VISAS SCANNED IN TO THE 09:17:36 SYSTEM WERE FROM MEXICO AND THE OTHER ONES, THERE WAS NOTHING IN 09:17:39 THE SYSTEM AND WHEN WE CHECKED THE SOCIAL SECURITY NUMBERS, 09:17:41 THERE WAS A PROBLEM WITH THEM AND SOME HAD NEVER BEEN ISSUED 09:17:45 BEFORE AND SOME OF THESE COULD BE FRAUD CASES. 09:17:47 >> AND I THINK THAT IS AN IMPORTANT POINT, BECAUSE IN SOME 09:17:50 OF THESE CASES, WHAT YOU ARE FINDING IS OUT RIGHT FRAUD. 09:17:56 MANUFACTURED SOCIAL SECURITY NUMBERS. 09:18:01 FALSE IDENTITIES, OTHER INDICATORS OF DELIBERATE FRAUD. 09:18:04 BUT, IN SOME OF THESE CASES, THE INDIVIDUALS, I SUSPECT THE 09:18:09 INTERNATIONAL STUDENT MAY BE EXAMPLES OF THIS, PRESENTED 09:18:15 LEGITIMATE, DOCUMENTICIAN TO FEMA THAT SHOULD HAVE LED FEMA 09:18:21 TO SAY YOU ARE NOT ELIGIBLE FOR ASSISTANCE AND THERE WASN'T 09:18:26 FRAUD ON BEHALF OF THE CLAIMANT IN SOME OF THESE CASES, BUT, 09:18:31 FEMA, THROUGH SLOPPY PROCEDURES, ISSUED CHECKS EVEN THOUGH THEY 09:18:37 HAD INFORMATION THAT SHOULD HAVE LED THEM TO DISQUALIFY THE 09:18:41 INDIVIDUAL. IS THAT FAIR? 09:18:43 >> YES. ANDY FACT RPTS FROM THE FOUR 09:18:45 UNIVERSITIES SAID FEMA REPRESENTATIVES TOLD THE 09:18:48 STUDENTS TO APPLY EVEN KNOWING THEY WEREN'T ELIGIBLE. 09:18:51 AND WE COULDN'T VALIDATE ALL OF THAT BUT CERTAINLY WE HAD 09:18:54 MULTIPLE SOURCES OF EVIDENCE THAT THE FEMA PEOPLE KNEW THESE 09:18:57 PEOPLE WERE NOT ELIGIBLE AND LET THEM APPLY ANY WAY AND 09:19:00 ENCOURAGED THEM TO APPLY AND SO, AGAIN, LIKE YOU SAID IN THE FEMA 09:19:03 SYSTEM THERE APPEARS TO BE VALID STUDENT VISAS IN THE SYSTEM, AN 09:19:07 EVEN RIGHT NEXT TO THAT IS A COPY IN THE SYSTEM OF THE FEMA 09:19:11 FLYER, SAYING, STUDENT, FOREIGN STUDENTS ARE NOT ELIGIBLE. 09:19:15 THEY GOT MONEY ANYWAY. >> THIS SHOWS ME THAT, IN 09:19:19 ADDITION TO HAVING BETTER INTERNAL CONTROLS, THAT ARE 09:19:23 CONSISTENTLY APPLIED, AND NOT SUSPENDED JUST BECAUSE THERE IS' 09:19:28 LARGE VOLUME OF APPLICANT, THAT WE ALSO NEED BETTER TRAINING, 09:19:35 BETTER SYSTEMS FOR ENSURING FEMA WORKERS UNDERSTAND THE 09:19:40 ELIGIBILITY RULES. WHICH WAS SENATOR LIEBERMAN'S 09:19:45 POINT AS WELL. I JUST HAVE ONE FINAL QUESTION 09:19:48 FOR YOU. AND IT HAS TO DO WITH FEMA'S 09:19:53 ATTEMPTS TO RECOUP THIS MONEY. MR. RYAN, YOU MADE A VERY GOOD 09:19:58 POINT THAT FEMA IS NOT A COLLECTION AGENCY. 09:20:02 THIS ISN'T AN AREA WHERE FEMA HAS EXPERTISE AND, CLEARLY, 09:20:07 RESOURCES ARE BEING DIVERTED TO COLLECTING ON THESE CASES AND 09:20:15 FEMA REALLY DOESN'T HAVE THAT AS ITS MISSION. 09:20:18 TO ME, THE LESSON FROM THAT IS YOU'VE GOT TO HAVE GOOD CONTROLS 09:20:22 UP FRONT TO PREVENT THIS FRAUD IN THE FIR PLACE. 09:20:25 BUT WHAT IS YOUR GENERAL ASSESSMENT -- I LIKE TO HEAR 09:20:28 FROM BOTH OF YOU ON THIS ISSUE -- OF FEMA'S SYSTEM FOR 09:20:34 TRIGGERING RECOUPMENT, GOING AFTER OBVIOUSLY IMPROPER OR 09:20:40 FRAUDULENT PAYMENTS? MR. RYAN, WE'LL START WITH YOU. 09:20:46 >> MY EXPERIENCE IS, IS THAT WHEN THE MONEY GETS OUT THE DOOR 09:20:50 IT'S GONE. AND YOU ARE -- YOU ARE CHASING 09:20:53 IT DONE THE STREET, TRYING TO FIND IT. 09:20:54 WE ARE WASTING ALMOST AS MUCH MONEY CHASING IT AS WHAT WE ARE 09:20:59 TRYING TO RECOVER. I CAN'T REALLY GIVE YOU MY 09:21:05 OPINION BECAUSE I REALLY DIDN'T WORK ON THE RECOUPMENT, THE 09:21:08 PROCESS THAT THEY HAVE. BUT I CAN UNTIL THAT BASED ON 09:21:13 TESTIFYING FOUR, FIVE TIMES IN REGARDS TO FEMA, WE ARE REALLY 09:21:19 AT YOUR DIRECTION AND THE COMMITTEE'S DIRECTION AND SOME 09:21:22 OF THE OTHER COMMITTEES IN CONGRESS, LOOK AT WHAT REALLY 09:21:24 FRAUD IS. HOW DOES FRAUD EXIST IN THESE 09:21:27 PROGRAMS? AND IN THE PAST WE WERE TOLD IT 09:21:29 WAS 1%, 2% AND WE ARE IDENTIFYING FROM THE STATISTICAL 09:21:34 SAMPLE 16% FRAUD, IT APPEARS YOU HAVE TO DO A BETTER JOB UP FRONT 09:21:41 BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WILL BE ABLE TO RECOVER THE MONEY IN 09:21:43 THE BACK AND I CAN'T REALLY COMMENT AS TO THE PROCESS THAT 09:21:47 THEY ARE USING FOR RECOUPMENT BECAUSE I HAVEN'T LOOKED AT IT. 09:21:50 MAYBE GREG HAS, AND THE STAFF HAS. 09:21:52 I HAVE NOT. >> NO, WE HAVEN'T SYSTEMATICALLY 09:21:55 LOOKED AT IT BUT THE INTERESTING THING IS THEY'VE CHARACTERIZED 09:21:59 RECOUPMENTS OR THE $290 MILLION AS THE FRAUDULENT RATE AND YOU 09:22:03 KNOW THAT DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE AND THEY TRIED TO COMPARE THAT 09:22:06 TO THE WAY WE DID A RANDOM STATISTICAL SAMPLE OF THE ENTIRE 09:22:09 POPULATION. SO IT ALMOST SEEMED LIKE THEY 09:22:12 DIDN'T REALLY UNDERSTAND WHAT FRAUD, WASTE AND ABUSE IS IN 09:22:14 THAT -- AND THAT WAS A BIT DISCOURAGING BUT BE AGAIN THE 09:22:17 FACT THAT THEY ARE IDENTIFYING HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS 09:22:20 IS NOT A BAD THING IF THEY CAN TRY TO COLLECT IT IT IS GOOD, 09:22:23 BUT IF WE GET BOGGED DOWN IN FEMA DOING DEBT COLLECTION AND 09:22:26 OTHER DISASTER HITS, THAT IS NOT A GOOD THING -- AND ANOTHER 09:22:31 DISASTER HITS, THAT IS NOT A GOOD THING. 09:22:33 >> I GUESS WHAT IS MOST DISTURBING TO ME IS, AS I 09:22:35 MENTIONED IN MY OPENING COMMENTS IS THIS IS MONEY THAT IS 09:22:39 DESPERATELY NEEDED BY THE REAL VICTIMS TO REBUILD DEVASTATED 09:22:46 COMMUNITIES AND TO REBUILD THEIR LIVES. 09:22:49 THE AMERICAN PEOPLE ARE VERY GENEROUS BUT THERE IS A LIMIT TO 09:22:53 THEIR GENEROSITY IF THEY BELIEVE THAT SUBSTANTIAL AMOUNTS OF 09:22:57 MONEY ARE BEING LOST TO WASTE, FRAUD AN ABUSE. 09:23:00 AND THAT IS CLEARLY WHAT HAPPENED IN THIS CASE. 09:23:04 IT IS PARTICULARLY FRUSTRATING TO ME BECAUSE IN 2004 THIS 09:23:11 COMMITTEE HELD OVERSIGHT HEARINGS LOOKING AT WASTE, FRAUD 09:23:16 AN ABUSE IN THE WAKE OF THE FLORIDA HURRICANES AND WE 09:23:20 IDENTIFIED SOME OF THE EXACT SAME PROBLEMS THAT YOU HAVE 09:23:26 TESTIFIED ABOUT TODAY. AT THAT TIME, I REMEMBER TELLING 09:23:32 MICHAEL BROWN THAT HE HAD TO ENSURE THAT CONTROLS WERE IN 09:23:37 PLACE BEFORE THE NEXT MAJOR DISASTER HIT. 09:23:41 REGRETTABLY, HE DID NOT DO SO. AND WHEN A DISASTER OF THE 09:23:47 MAGNITUDE OF KATRINA HIT, THE MAGNITUDE OF THE WASTE, FRAUD 09:23:53 AND ABUSE WAS THAT MUCH GREATER. WE CAN'T WAIT FOR YET ANOTHER 09:23:58 DISASTER TO HIT AND FOR YET ANOTHER ROUND OF INVESTIGATIONS 09:24:03 AN HEARINGS TO SPOTLIGHT, ONCE AGAIN, THE LACK OF BASIC 09:24:12 SAFEGUARD AND INTERNAL CONTROLS THAT ANY AGENCY THAT IS 09:24:16 PROVIDING PUBLIC ASSISTANCE SHOULD HAVE AS A MATTER OF 09:24:20 COURSE. THIS ISN'T ROCKET SCIENCE. 09:24:25 IT ISN'T SOMETHING WHERE IT REQUIRES TECHNOLOGY THAT IS NOT 09:24:28 YET BEEN DEVELOPED. IT IS BASIC VERIFICATION OF 09:24:33 ELIGIBILITY, IDENTITY, ADDRESS, AND DAMAGE. 09:24:39 AND I, FOR ONE, AM GOING TO CONTINUE TO PUSH FEMA AND THE 09:24:45 DEPARTMENT OF HOMELAND SECURITY TO PROVE THAT THEY HAVE THOSE 09:24:49 SYSTEMS IN PLACE. THE FEMA REFORM LEGISLATION THAT 09:24:53 THIS COMMITTEE ADVANCED AND WHICH WAS SIGNED INTO LAW AS 09:24:56 PART OF THE APPROPRIATIONS BILL REQUIRES THE DEVELOPMENT OF 09:25:02 THOSE STANDARDS. IT IS NOT SOMETHING, FRAERK, 09:25:04 THAT WE SHOULD HAVE HAD TO PUT IN LAW TO ENSURE THAT IT WAS 09:25:08 GOING TO HAPPEN. IT IS BASIC MANAGEMENT. 09:25:11 BUT, I HOPE THAT YOU WILL CONTINUE TO WORK WITH US TO 09:25:15 PROBE AND TEST THE SYSTEM TO ENSURE THAT TRUE PROGRESS HAS 09:25:20 BEEN MADE. WE HAVE ASKED THE -- DHS TO 09:25:25 RESPOND TO YOUR TESTIMONY AND TO THESE LATEST FINDINGS AN 09:25:31 RECOMMENDATIONS. THEY ARE STILL WORKING ON THEIR 09:25:34 RESPONSE. AND I LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING 09:25:41 THEIR RESPONSE TO THESE VERY TROUBLING FINDINGS. 09:25:43 WE ALL KNOW LESSONS CAN BE LEARNED AND APPLIED IN THE WAKE 09:25:46 OF A DISASTER. AND WE HAVE SEEN SOME PROGRESS 09:25:53 BEING MADE IN OTHER PARTS OF FEMA AND I REALIZE THERE IS A 09:25:57 LOT OF PROGRESS THAT NEEDS TO BE MADE BUT THE AMERICAN PEOPLE ARE 09:26:00 NOT GOING TO BE WILLING TO KEEP WRITING CHECKS FOR DISASTER 09:26:06 RELIEF AND ASSISTANCE UNLESS THEY ARE ASSURED THAT THE MONEY 09:26:10 IS BEING WISELY SPENT TO BENEFIT THE TRUE VICTIMS AND YOUR WORK 09:26:17 IS VITALLY IMPORTANT IN HELPING US ACHIEVE THAT GOAL. 09:26:21 I VERY MUCH APPRECIATE ALL OF YOUR ASSISTANCE TO THE 09:26:25 COMMITTEE. IT'S BEEN A GREAT PLEASURE TO 09:26:28 WORK WITH YOU. I AM CERTAIN THAT THIS 09:26:31 COMMITTEE'S FIGHT AGAINST WASTEFUL SPENDING WILL CONTINUE 09:26:34 AND I LOOK FORWARD TO WORKING WITH YOU FURTHER. 09:26:38 I ALSO WANT TO THANK MY STAFF FOR THEIR DILIGENT WORK ON THIS 09:26:43 HEARING, AND INDEED, ON ALL OF THE KATRINA INVESTIGATION. 09:26:48 IT WAS THE MOST EXTENSIVE INVESTIGATION EVER UNDERTAKEN BY 09:26:53 THIS COMMITTEE. I BELIEVE THAT THIS IS OUR 25th 09:26:58 KATRINA HEARING AND I THINK WE HAVE LEARNED A LOT. 09:27:02 WE HAVE ISSUED A MAJOR REPORT. WE HAVE ENACTED LEGISLATION BUT 09:27:07 ITS CLEAR THAT CONTINUED OVERSIGHT WILL BE NECESSARY. 09:27:10 SO I WANT TO THANK THE STAFF FOR THEIR GOOD WORK AS WELL. 09:27:13 THE HEARING RECORD WILL REMAIN OPEN FOR 15 DAYS TO RECEIVE 09:27:19 QUESTIONS FOR THE RECORD, OTHER MATERIALS, AND I HOPE DHS'S 09:27:24 WRITTEN FORMAL RESPONSE. THANK YOU AGAIN FOR YOUR GOOD 09:27:27 WORK. THIS HEARING IS NOW ADJOURNED. 09:27:37 [INAUDIBLE CONVERSATIONS] [INAUDIBLE CONVERSATIONS] 09:28:20 [INAUDIBLE CONVERSATIONS] [INAUDIBLE CONVERSATIONS] 09:29:55 >> NEXT ON C-SPAN2 COVERAGE OF THE U.S. SENATE, TODAY'S AGENDA 09:29:59 INCLUDES DEBATE ON THE NOMINATION OF ANDREW VON 09:30:02 EICHENBACH TO BE COMMISSIONER OF THE FOOD AND DRUG ADMINISTRATION 09:30:05 AND VOTES ARE EXPECTED TODAY AND LATER TODAY, 2:30 EASTERN, VICE 09:30:08 PRESIDENT CHENEY WILL ACCOMPANY MAJORITY LEADER BILL FRIST TO 09:30:12 THE FLOOR FOR HIS FAREWELL ADDRESS AND LIVE COVERAGE NOW ON 09:30:16 C-SPAN2. THE PRESIDENT PRO TEMPORE: THE 09:30:21 SENATE WILL COME TO ORDER. THE SENATE WILL BE LED IN PRAYER 09:30:23 BY THE CHAPLAIN OF THE SENATE, DR. BARRY BLACK. 09:30:32 THE CHAPLAIN: LET US PRAY. ETERNAL LORD GOD, OUR STRONG 09:30:40 HOLD IN TIMES OF TROUBLE. BLESS TODAY OUR SENATORS. 09:30:44 LORD, 65 YEARS AGO AMERICA EXPERIENCED A DAY OF INFAMY. 09:30:52 AS WE REMEMBER PEARL HARBOR, OUR HEARTS TURN TOWARD THE MEN AND 09:30:58 WOMEN OF OUR ARMED FORCES AND THEIR FAMILIES. 09:31:06 THANK YOU FOR THEIR INVESTMENT IN FREEDOM AND THEIR SACRIFICES 09:31:11 FOR OUR LIBERTIES. COMFORT THOSE WHO MOURN AND 09:31:18 THOSE WHO BEAR THE SCARS OF BATTLE. 09:31:23 BE A COMPANION TO THOSE WHO MUST STARE AT AN EMPTY CHAIR DURING 09:31:30 THIS HOLIDAY SEASON. DEFEND THOSE IN HARM'S WAY WITH 09:31:37 YOUR HEAVENLY GRACE AND GIVE THEM COURAGE TO FACE PERILS WITH 09:31:44 TRUST INOU. GIVE THEM A SENSE OF YOUR 09:31:50 ABIDING PRESENCE WHEREVER THEY MAY BE. 09:31:56 WE PRAY IN YOUR SOVEREIGN NAME. AMEN. 09:32:06 THE PRESIDENT PRO TEMPORE: PLEASE JOIN ME IN RECITING THE 09:32:08 PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE TO OUR FLAG. 09:32:12 I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF 09:32:15 AMERICA, AND TO THE REPUBLIC, FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION 09:32:17 UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. 09:32:29 UNDER THE PREVIOUS ORDER, THE LEADERSHIP TIME IS RESERVED. 09:32:33 UNDER THE PREVIOUS ORDER, THE SENATE WILL PROCEED TO EXECUTIVE 09:32:35 SESSION FOR CONSIDERATION OF THE NOMINATION OF ANDREW VON 09:32:38 ESCHENBACH WHICH THE CLERK WILL REPORT. 09:32:40 THE CLERK: NOMINATION, DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH AND HUMAN 09:32:45 SERVICES. ANDREW VON ESCHENBACH OF TEXAS 09:32:46 TO BE COMMISSIONER OF FOOD AND DRUGS. 09:32:48 THE PRESIDENT PRO TEMPORE: THE MAJORITY LEADER IS RECOGNIZED. 09:32:53 MR. FRIST: MR. PRESIDENT, THIS MORNING THE SENATE WILL VOTE ON 09:32:55 THE MOTION TO INVOKE CLOTURE ON THE NOMINATION OF THE F.D.A. 09:33:01 COMMISSIONER, ANDREW VON ESCHENBACH. 09:33:02 SENATORS CAN EXPECT TO HAVE THIS VOTE AROUND 10:30 TO 10:45 THIS 09:33:08 MORNING FOLLOWING THE ONE HOUR OF DEBATE. 09:33:10 AS I MENTIONED YESTERDAY MORNING, THIS IS A VERY 09:33:13 IMPORTANT POSITION AND TO HAVE THIS CONFIRMATION FINALLY BEING 09:33:16 ACCOMPLISHED WILL BE A GREAT ACHIEVEMENT FOR TS CONGRESS. 09:33:19 ONCE CLOTURE HAS BEEN INVOKED WE WILL TRY TO SCHEDULE A VOTE ON 09:33:22 THE CONFIRMATION EARLY IN THE IN 09:33:26 THE DAY. THERE ARE SEVERAL CRITICAL ITEMS 09:33:28 THE SENATE MUST ACT ON BEFORE WE ADJOURN SINE DIE. 09:33:32 THEREFORE, SENATORS MUST ADJUST THEIR PLANS TO BE HERE AND 09:33:35 VOTING OVER THE COMING DAYSI WILL I APPRECIATE SENATORS' 09:33:41 WILLINGNESS TO WORK TOGETHER ON A NUMBER OF LEGISLATIVE AND 09:33:44 EXECUTIVE MATTERS. MR. REID: MR. PRESIDENT? 09:33:46 THE PRESIDENT PRO TEMPORE: THE MINORITY LEADER. 09:33:48 MR. REID: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. 09:33:52 ANDREW VON ESCHENBACH, WE'VE CLEARED ON THIS SIDE. 09:33:54 SO AS FAR AS WE'RE CONCERNED, THERE IS NO NEED FOR A CLOTURE 09:33:57 VOTE. WE LOOK FORWARD TO WORKING WITH 09:33:59 THE DISTINGUISHED MAJORITY LEADER TODAY AND MAYBE TOMORROW 09:34:03 AND MAYBE SATURDAY TO TRY TO GET AS MUCH COOPERATION OUT OF 09:34:08 SENATORS AS POSSIBLE. I KNOW THAT THE FINANCE FOLKS 09:34:10 HAVE WORKED LONG AND HARD TO TRY TO COME UP WITH SOMETHING THAT'S 09:34:13 VERY IMPORTANT FOR THE COUNTRY. WE'LL CONTINUE TO MONITOR THAT 09:34:16 AND DO EVERYTHING WE CAN TO MOVE THIS LEGISLATIVE AGENDA FORWARD. 09:34:22 THE PRESIDENT PRO TEMPORE: THE MAJORITY LEADER. 09:34:24 MR. FRIST: MR. PRESIDENT, I'LL BE VERY BRIEF. 09:34:25 I WANT TO SPEAK ON ANOTHER MATTER. 09:34:27 I KNOW WE WANT TO GET TO THE HOUR OF PRE-VOTE TIME HERE 09:34:35 SHORTLY. BUT I DID WANT TO -- AND I'LL 09:34:37 ENTER MY REMARKS IN THE RECORD, MY FORMAL REMARKS. 09:34:41 BUT TOMORROW DOES, HOPEFULLY TOMORROW WILL OFFICIALLY END THE 09:34:46 109th CONGRESS AT THE END OF THE DAY TOMORROW, IF WE DO OUR 09:34:50 WORK TODAY SUCCESSFULLY, AND TONIGHT THE SENATE WILL BE ABLE 09:34:56 TO ADJOURN. THAT WILL ALSO MARK THE OFFICIAL 09:34:59 CHANGE IN LEADERSHIP AND A CHANGE IN THE SENATE AGENDA. 09:35:03 I KNOW MANY OF MY COLLEAGUES AND MANY OF OUR MY CONSERVATIVE 09:35:08 ALLIES WITH A BIT OF TREPIDATION. 09:35:10 BUT CHANGE IS GOOD. CHANGE IS CONSTRUCTIVE. 09:35:16 IT CAN BE DIFFICULT, MESSY. BUT CHANGE FORCES US ALL TO 09:35:21 REEXAMINE WHO WE ARE, WHERE WE ARE AND WHERE WE WANT TO GO, 09:35:24 WHAT WE KNOW, WHAT WE BELIEVE. I BELIEVE IT IS OUR 09:35:26 RESPONSIBILITY TO PROTECT TRADITIONAL COMMON-SENSE 09:35:29 AMERICAN VALUES. I BELIEVE THAT WHEN WE GIVE THE 09:35:32 AMERICAN PEOPLE THE FREEDOM TO INVEST THEIR MONEY AS THEY 09:35:35 CHOOSE, THE ECONOMY IS GOING TO FLOURISH, IT IS GOING TO HAVE 09:35:39 MORE FREEDOM TO GROW. AT THE END OF THE DAY I BELIEVE 09:35:41 THAT GOOD LEADERS DON'T TALK ABOUT PRINCIPLES. 09:35:43 THEY DON'T TALK ABOUT THEM, BUT GOOD LEADERS LEAD ON PRINCIPLE. 09:35:47 AND THEY ACT, AND THEY ACT WITH SOLUTIONS. 09:35:50 EVEN IF THEY DON'T KNOW THAT THE OUTCOME IS GOING TO BE 100% 09:35:54 SUCCESSFUL EVERY TIME YOU TAKE A BILL TO THE FLOOR. 09:35:56 I THINK THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT AT LEAST I'VE TRIED TO DO, 09:36:02 IS NOT SAY LET'S JUST TAKE TO THE FLOOR WHAT WILL NECESSARILY 09:36:05 PASS, BUT WHAT IS THE RIGHT THING TO DO, ON PRINCIPLE. 09:36:09 WHAT IS THE RIGHT THING FOR US TO BE CONSIDERING. 09:36:12 DURING MY TENURE IN PUBLIC OFFICE, THAT'S WHAT I'VE TRIED 09:36:15 TO DO. THAT IS LEAD ON PRINCIPLE AND TO 09:36:20 ACT WITH SOLUTIONS. IT DOES COME WITH THAT SURGICAL 09:36:23 APPROACH OF FIXING THINGS, OF OPERATING, OF ACTION. 09:36:26 A COUPLE OF EXAMPLES IN TERMS OF LEADING ON PRINCIPLE, THE 09:36:31 INTERNATIONAL GAMBLING PROHIBITION ENFORCEMENT ACT, THE 09:36:35 ADAM WALSH CHILD PROTECTION AND SAFETY ACT LEGISLATION, 09:36:41 PROTECTING THE MOUNT SOLEDAD CROSS. 09:36:46 AND PERHAPS MOST NOTABLY WE CONFIRMED TWO SUPREME COURT 09:36:49 JUSTICES, 18 CIRCUIT COURT NOMINEES, 80 DISTRICT COURT 09:36:55 JUDGES. AMERICA NEEDS JUDGES WHO ARE 09:36:56 BALANCED, WHO ARE FAIR, WHO ARE INDEPENDENT, WHO ARE UNBIASED, 09:37:00 WHO ARE COMMITTED TO EQUAL JUSTICE UNDER THE LAW. 09:37:02 AND WE MAKE SURE THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT AMERICA HAS GOTTEN. 09:37:05 OVER THE PAST 12 YEARS, WHAT REPUBLICANS HAVE DONE IS CHANGED 09:37:08 OUR ECONOMY. IT HAS CHANGED OUR COUNTRY AND 09:37:11 CHANGED OUR WAY OF LIFE FOR THE BETTER. 09:37:14 OUR RECORD OF SUCCESS COMBINED WITH THE LESSONS THAT WE ALL 09:37:18 LEARNED IN NOVEMBER'S ELECTIONS ENSURES THAT OUR PARTY WILL 09:37:22 REDEDICATE ITSELF TO SERVING THE INTEREST OF AMERICA BOTH HERE AT 09:37:27 HOME AS WELL AS AROUND THE WORLD. 09:37:30 THAT VISION WHICH IS OPTIMISTIC, WHICH IS FORWARD-LOOKING, WHICH 09:37:34 IS HOPEFUL, IS GROUNDED IN THE FUNDAMENTALS OF COMMON-SENSE 09:37:38 CONSERVATIVE VALUES BEST FOUND ON MAIN STREET AND IN FAMILIES 09:37:42 THAT WE HAVE THE PRIVILEGE OF INTERACTING WITH ALL ACROSS THIS 09:37:45 COUNTRY. MR. PRESIDENT, I HAVE A FORMAL 09:37:49 STATEMENT THAT I WOULD AT THIS POINT LIKE TO HAVE ENTERED BY 09:37:54 UNANIMOUS CONSENT INTO THE RECORD AS IF READ. 09:37:55 THE PRESIDENT PRO TEMPORE: WITHOUT OBJECTION, SO ORDERED. 09:37:58 UNDER THE PREVIOUS ORDER, THERE WILL BE 60 MINUTES FOR DEBATE 09:38:00 PRIOR TO CLOTURE VOTE WITH THE TIME DIVIDED AS FOLLOWS: THE 09:38:04 SENATOR FROM WYOMING, MR. ENZI OR HIS DESIGNEE, 30 MINUTES. 09:38:10 THE SENATOR FROM IOWA, MR. GRASSLEY, 20 MINUTES. 09:38:13 THE SENATOR FROM LOUISIANA, MR. VITTER, 10 MINUTES. 09:38:16 WHO YIELDS TIME WHO YIELDS TIME? THE SENATOR FROM WYOMING. 09:38:28 MR. ENZI: MR. PRESIDENT, THANK YOU. 09:38:30 I RISE TO DISCUSS THE PENDING NOMINATION OF DR. ANDREW VON 09:38:34 ESCHENBACH TO BE THE COMMISSIONER OF FOOD AND DRUGS. 09:38:36 THE F.D.A. HAS A VERY BROAD AND CRITICAL MISSION IN PROTECTING 09:38:39 OUR PUBLIC HEALTH. THE COMMISSIONER OF FOOD AND 09:38:42 DRUGS IS IN CHARGE OF AN AGENCY THAT REGULATES $1 TRILLION WORTH 09:38:49 OF PRODUCTS A YEAR. THE F.D.A. ENSURES THE SAFETY 09:38:52 AND EFFECTIVENESS OF ALL DRUGS, BIOLOGICAL PRODUCTS SUCH AS 09:38:58 VACCINES, MEDICAL DEVICES AND ANIMAL DRUGS AND FEED. 09:39:01 LET ME REPEAT THAT AGAIN. THE SAFETY AND EFFECTIVENESS OF 09:39:05 ALL DRUGS, BIOLOGICAL PRODUCTS SUCH AS VACCINES, MEDICAL 09:39:10 DEVICES, ANIMAL DRUGS AND FEED. IT ALSO OVERSEES THE SAFETY OF A 09:39:16 VAST VARIETY OF FOOD PRODUCTS AS WELL AS MEDICAL AND CONSUMER 09:39:20 PRODUCTS, INCLUDING COSMETICS. AS COMMISSIONER OF FOOD AND 09:39:25 DRUGS, DR. VON ESCHENBACH WILL BE RESPONSIBLE FOR ADVANCING THE 09:39:29 PUBLIC HEALTH BY HELPING TO SPEED INNOVATIONS IN ITS MISSION 09:39:32 AREAS AND BY HELPING THE PUBLIC GET ACCURATE, SCIENCE-BASED 09:39:35 INFORMATION ON MEDICINES AND FOODS. 09:39:38 DR. VON ESCHENBACH HAS A STRONG RECORD. 09:39:39 HE'S AN ACCOMPLISHED SCIENTIST, A PROVEN MANAGER AND A MAN WITH 09:39:44 A VISION. HE'S ALSO A CANCER SURVIVOR AND 09:39:47 HE'S BROUGHT THAT PER -- PERSPECTIVE AND THE PASSION THAT 09:39:53 GOES WITH IT TO HIS GOVERNMENT SERVICES. 09:39:56 HE GAVE UP A JOB HE LOVED, DIRECTING THE NATIONAL CANCER 09:40:00 INSTITUTE, TO OFFER HIS SERVICE, WHAT I BELIEVE IS A MUCH MORE 09:40:03 CHALLENGING AND DEFINITELY THANKLESS JOB OF LEADING THE 09:40:06 F.D.A. THE F.D.A. HAS BEEN WITHOUT A 09:40:09 CONFIRMED COMMISSIONER FOR ALL BUT 18 MONTHS OF THE LAST FIVE 09:40:13 AND A HALF YEARS. EVER SEE A BUSINESS THAT COULD 09:40:16 RUN FOR FIVE AND A HALF YEARS WITHOUT HAVING A BOSS EXCEPT FOR 09:40:20 18 MONTHS? AND THAT WAS A TENUOUS 18 09:40:24 MONTHS. I THINK WE CAN ALL AGREE THAT WE 09:40:26 NEED A STRONG LEADER AT THE F.D.A. NOW AND ONE WHO HAS A 09:40:30 MANDATE TO ACT. HE NEEDS FULL AUTHORITY TO BRING 09:40:32 BACK THE MORALE OF THE DEPARTMENT AND TO GET THE JOB 09:40:36 DONE. WE MUST BE FORWARD-LOOKING. 09:40:39 THERE ARE MANY ITEMS BEFORE THE F.D.A. THAT REQUIRE THE 09:40:42 IMMEDIATE ATTENTION OF THE F.D.A. COMMISSIONER VESTED WITH 09:40:49 FULL AUTHORITY. BUT THAT AUTHORITY FLOWS 09:40:51 DIRECTLY FROM THE ACT OF SENATE CONFIRMATION. 09:40:53 WITHOUT A SENATE-CONFIRMED LEADER, WE CAN'T EXPECT THE 09:40:56 F.D.A. TO BE AS EFFECTIVE AS WE NEED IT TO BE. 09:40:59 I URGE MY COLLEAGUES TO CONSIDER THIS. 09:41:01 I KNOW THAT SOME OF MY COLLEAGUES ON AND OFF THE 09:41:03 COMMITTEE ARE NOT COMPLETELY SATISFIED WITH THEIR 09:41:06 INTERACTIONS WITH THE F.D.A. DURING DR. VON ESCHENBACH'S 09:41:11 TENURE. SOME WOULD URGE THAT THE F.D.A. 09:41:12 MOVE QUICKLY ON CERTAIN MATTERS BEFORE IT. 09:41:14 HOWEVER, I'M NOT SURE THAT HOLDING UP A NOMINATION OVER 09:41:17 SINGLE PRODUCTS OR SINGLE ISSUES IS THE RIGHT WAY TO ACHIEVE 09:41:20 FASTER ACTION. AND TO ENSURE THAT AGENCY 09:41:22 PROCESSES ARE FREE FROM THE PRESSURE OF POLITICS. 09:41:25 IN FACT, I STRONGLY BELIEVE THAT THE OPPOSITE WOULD OCCUR. 09:41:28 I THINK THIS IS A POSITION THAT HAS MORE CATCH-22'S THAN ANY 09:41:32 OTHER POSITION IN GOVERNMENT. I DO RESPECT THE RIGHT OF MY 09:41:36 COLLEAGUES TO DISAGREE WITH THE PRESIDENT'S CHOICE FOR THIS 09:41:38 POSITION OR THE POLICIES THAT A PRESIDENT'S NOMINEE MIGHT 09:41:42 PURSUE. IF OUR DISAGREEMENTS WITH THE 09:41:44 PRESIDENT'S CHOICE ARE SO STRONG, WE OUGHT TO VOTE AGAINST 09:41:48 THE NOMINEE. BUT IN LIGHT OF THE $1 TRILLION 09:41:52 WORTH OF DRUGS AND PRODUCTS OVERSEEN BY THE F.D.A. AND 09:41:55 HUNDREDS OF DRUG APPROVALS REVIEWED EVERY YEAR, I THINK WE 09:41:58 WOULD BE SETTING A DANGEROUS PRECEDENT IF ANY OF US HOLD UP 09:42:03 THE PRESIDENT'S CHOICE FOR F.D.A. COMMISSIONER OVER 09:42:07 DECISIONS MADE SROFPG ONE PRODUCT OR ONE ISSUE OR 09:42:11 SOMETHING EXTRANEOUS EVEN TO THE FOOD AND DRUG ADMINISTRATION. 09:42:15 IT WOULD BE AN ESPECIALLY DANGEROUS PRECEDENT AT THIS 09:42:17 POINT. WE HAVE A LOT ON OUR PLATE WITH 09:42:19 RESPECT TO THE F.D.A. DURING THE 110th CONGRESS. 09:42:22 WE HAVE TO REAUTHORIZE BOTH THE DRUG AND DEVICE USER FEE 09:42:26 PROGRAMS, ADDRESSING TWO EXPIRING PEDIATRIC PROGRAMS AND 09:42:30 IMPROVE OUR DRUG SAFETY SYSTEM. THE F.D.A. NEEDS A LEADER WITH 09:42:32 THE BACKING AND THE MANDATE THAT SENATE CONFIRMATION PROVIDES IN 09:42:36 ORDER TO BE OUR PARTNER IN THESE EFFORTS. 09:42:40 DR. VON ESCHENBACH RECEIVED SIGNIFICANT SUPPORT FROM THE 09:42:42 "HELP" COMMITTEE. THIS MAN COULD SERVE PATIENTS IN 09:42:45 MANY DIFFERENT WAYS AND HAS OFFERED TO SERVE THEM BY RUNNING 09:42:48 THIS CRITICALLY IMPORTANT AGENCY. 09:42:51 I'M TALKING ABOUT A DOCTOR WITH CANCER EXPERTISE, MANAGEMENT 09:42:57 EXPERTISE, VISION WHO HAS AGREED -- WHO HAS AGREED -- TO RUN THIS 09:43:00 AGENCY AT WHAT WE PAY BECAUSE HE WANTS TO GIVE BACK TO HIS 09:43:04 COUNTRY. I URGE MY COLLEAGUES WHO ARE NOT 09:43:06 ON OUR COMMITTEE TO GIVE DR. VON ESCHENBACH A CHANCE TO 09:43:09 EFFECTIVELY RUN THE F.D.A. WITH FULL STATUTORY AUTHORITY. 09:43:12 SO I URGE MY COLLEAGUES TO ACCEPT THE PRESIDENT'S NOMINEE, 09:43:17 DR. ANDREW VON ESCHENBACH AND TO VOTE TO CONFIRM HIM AS THE NEXT 09:43:20 COMMISSIONER OF FOOD AND DRUGS. VOTING "YES" ON THIS CLOTURE 09:43:24 VOTE WILL BE THE FIRST STEP IN MOVING TOWARDS A PERMANENT HEAD 09:43:27 TO OVERSEE THE SAFETY OF OUR NATION'S FOOD AND DRUG SYSTEM. 09:43:30 I WOULD YIELD THE FLOOR. THE PRESIDENT PRO TEMPORE: THE 09:43:33 SENATOR RESERVES THE BALANCE OF HIS TIME? 09:43:35 MR. ENZI: I WOULD RESERVE THE BALANCE OF MY TIME. 09:43:38 THE PRESIDENT PRO TEMPORE: THE SENATOR FROM A EU A EUFPLT. 09:43:40 MR. GRASSLEY: YES. MY OPPOSITION TO CLOTURE MOTION 09:43:46 IS AS MUCH ABOUT WHETHER WE'RE GOING TO FULFILL OUR 09:43:50 RESPONSIBILITIES OVER THE LEGISLATIVE BRANCH OF GOVERNMENT 09:43:52 AS IT IS ABOUT THE PARTICULAR QUALIFICATIONS OF THE NOMINEE. 09:43:55 I INTEND TO VOTE AGAINST CLOTURE. 09:43:58 AND I WOULD HOPE THAT DEMOCRATS WHO ARE LISTENING, PARTICULARLY 09:44:00 THOSE DEMOCRATS IN THE LAST ELECTION WHO ARE BELLY ACHING 09:44:05 BECAUSE THERE WASN'T ENOUGH OVERSIGHT ON THE PART OF 09:44:08 REPUBLICANS TOWARDS THE EXECUTIVE BRANCH OF GOVERNMENT 09:44:11 WOULD PAY ATTENTION TO THE FACT THAT THIS NOMINEE HAS SOMETHING 09:44:16 TO DO WITH, AND IS AN ILLUSTRATION OF THE LACK OF 09:44:21 COOPERATION ON THE PART OF THE EXECUTIVE BRANCH TO COOPERATE 09:44:25 WITH CONGRESS ON THE ISSUE OF CONGRESSIONAL OVERSIGHT. 09:44:29 I HAVE SERIOUS CONCERNS ABOUT WHAT THIS CLOTURE VOTE MEANS 09:44:32 THEN TO CONGRESSIONAL OVERSIGHT OF THE EXECUTIVE BRANCH NOW AND 09:44:36 IN THE FUTURE AND WHAT IT MEANS FOR MEMBERS LIKE ME WHO PLACED A 09:44:44 HOLD ON THIS NOMINEE, AND THIS WAS NOT A SECRET HOLD. 09:44:48 I MADE THIS HOLD PUBLIC. I'M VOTING AGAINST CLOTURE AND 09:44:52 ASK MY COLLEAGUES TO JOIN ME BECAUSE I BELIEVE WE NEED TO 09:44:54 SEND A MESSAGE TO THE EXECUTIVE BRANCH THAT IT'S NOT OKAY TO 09:45:00 IMPEDE CONGRESSIONAL INVESTIGATIONS. 09:45:01 IT'S NOT OKAY TO LIMIT THE SENATE'S ACCESS TO DOCUMENTS, 09:45:07 INFORMATION, AND EMPLOYEES OF THE EXECUTIVE BRANCH. 09:45:11 IN HIS BOOK ON CONGRESSIONAL GOVERNMENT WOODROW WILSON, 09:45:16 BEFORE HE WAS PRESIDENT, WHEN HE WAS A PROFESSOR AT PRINCETON, 09:45:19 WROTE IN 1885, "QUITE AS IMPORTANT AS LAW-MAKING IS 09:45:28 VIGILANT OVERSIGHT OF THE ADMINISTRATION." 09:45:31 OUR WORK AS LAWMAKERS DOES NOT END WITH THE PASSAGE OF A BILL. 09:45:36 THIS BODY HAS A RESPONSIBILITY TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE TO MAKE 09:45:40 SURE THAT LAWS WORK AND THEY'RE BEING IMPLEMENTED EFFECTIVELY, 09:45:45 EFFICIENTLY, ECONOMICALLY. CONGRESSIONAL OVERSIGHT SERVES 09:45:51 VERY IMPORTANT GOALS AND WE SHOULD NOT LOSE SIGHT. 09:45:54 THEY INCLUDE REVIEWING ACTIONS TAKEN AND REGULATIONS ADOPTED BY 09:45:58 THE EXECUTIVE AGENCIES TO MAKE SURE THAT THE AGENCIES ARE 09:46:03 EXECUTING LAW ACCORDING TO INTENT OF CONGRESS. 09:46:07 SECOND, ENSURING THAT THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT IS NOT 09:46:08 WASTING TAXPAYERS' DOLLARS. OVERSIGHT WORK ALLOWS US TO 09:46:14 EVALUATE THE ABILITY OF AGENCIES AND MANAGERS TO CARRY OUT 09:46:19 PROGRAM OBJTIVES AND IMPROVE THE EFFICIENCY, EFFECTIVENESS 09:46:24 AND ECONOMY OF GOVERNMENT PROGRAMS. 09:46:28 NEXT, ENSURING THAT EXECUTIVE POLICIES REFLECT THE PUBLIC 09:46:33 INTEREST. THAT PUBLIC INTEREST IS 09:46:37 EXPRESSED IN LAWS OF CONGRESS. AND LASTLY, PROTECTING THE 09:46:40 RIGHTS AND LIBERTIES OF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE. 09:46:42 WOODROW WILSON ALSO SAID IN HIS BOOK -- QUOTE -- "IT IS THE 09:46:45 PROPER DUTY OF A REPRESENTATIVE BODY TO LOOK DILIGENTLY INTO 09:46:50 EVERY AFFAIR OF GOVERNMENT AND TO TALK MUCH ABOUT WHAT IT SEES. 09:46:55 IT IS MEANT TO BE THE EYES, THE VOICE, AND EMBODY THE WISDOM AND 09:46:59 THE WILL OF ITS CONSTITUENTS." IN AMERICA, WITH OUR GOVERNMENT, 09:47:05 THE PUBLIC'S BUSINESS OUGHT TO BE PUBLIC. 09:47:07 BUT WHEN YOU HAVE COVERUPS AND THE LACK OFNFORMATION GOING TO 09:47:12 CONGRESS, AS DEMONSTRATED BY THIS REQUEST FOR DOCUMENTS -- 09:47:18 AND WE GET A PAGE BACK FROM THE AGENCY WITH 57 PAGES REMOVED. 09:47:22 NOW, WHAT'S IN THOSE 57 PAGES THAT WE OUGHT TO HAVE ACCESS TO? 09:47:27 AS JUST ONE EXAMPLE OF LACK OF INFORMATION AND LACK OF 09:47:33 COOPERATION FROM THIS AGENCY. THROUGHOUT HISTORY, CONGRESS HAS 09:47:38 ENGAGED IN OVERSIGHT OF THE EXECUTIVE BRANCH, THE RIGHT TO 09:47:44 CONGRESSIONAL OVERSIGHT HAS BEEN ASSERTED FROM EARLIEST DAYS OF 09:47:46 OUR REPUBLIC. 1792 HOUSE INVOKED ITS AUTHORITY 09:47:54 TO CONDUCT OVERSIGHT WHEN IT APPOINTED A COMMITTEE TO 09:47:56 INVESTIGATE THE DEFEAT OF GENERAL SAINT CLAIRE AND HIS 09:47:58 ARMY BY INDIANS IN THE NORTHWEST AND EMPOWERED -- QUOTE -- "CALL 09:48:03 FOR SUCH PERSONS, PAPERS AND RECORDS AS MAY BE NECESSARY FOR 09:48:08 THAT INQUIRY." IN FACT, THE CONSTITUTION GRANTS 09:48:13 CONGRESS EXPENSIVE -- EXTENSIVE AUTHORITY TO OVERSEE AND 09:48:17 INVESTIGATE EXECUTIVE BRANCH ACTIVITIES. 09:48:21 CONGRESSIONAL OVERSIGHT WAS ALSO RECOGNIZED EXPLICITLY IN THE 09:48:24 PASSAGE OF THE LEGISLATIVE REORGANIZATION ACT OF 1946, 09:48:29 WHICH REQUIRED THE STANDING COMMITTEES OF CONGRESS TO 09:48:32 EXERCISE -- QUOTE -- "CONTINUOUS WATCHFULNESS" OVER PROGRAMS AND 09:48:38 AGENCIES IN THEIR JURISDICTION. NUMEROUS SUPREME COURT DECISIONS 09:48:43 WILL SUPPORT ALL THE PRECEDENCE FOR CONGRESS TO SEE ALL ASPECTS 09:48:47 OF THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT. IN 1927, McBRAIN Vs. 09:48:53 DOEHERTY. THE SUPREME COURT UPHELD 09:48:55 CONGRESSIONAL AUTHORITY TO CONDUCT OVERSIGHT TEAPOT DOME 09:49:01 SCANDAL. JUSTICE VANDERVANNER WRITING FOR 09:49:03 THE UNANIMOUS COURT -- QUOTE -- "WE ARE 09:49:05 OF THE OPINION THAT THE POWER OF INQUIRY WITH THE 09:49:10 PROCESS TO ENFORCE IT IS AN ESSENTIAL AND APPROPRIATE 09:49:14 AUXILIARY TO THE LEGISLATIVE FUNCTION." 09:49:17 TO DO OVERSIGHT, CONGRESS NEEDS ACCESS TO INFORMATION AND PEOPLE 09:49:20 IN THE EXECUTIVE BRANCH AND THAT IS WHAT I DID -- THAT IS WHAT I 09:49:25 DID NOT AND STILL AM NOT GETTING FROM THE F.D.A. UNDER THE 09:49:30 LEADERSHIP OF DR. VON ESCHENBACH, AS AN EXAMPLE. 09:49:34 47 PAGES REMOVED. ANOTHER EXAMPLE. 09:49:40 43 PAGES REMOVED. NOW, HOW ARE YOU GOING TO 09:49:42 CONDUCT OVERSIGHT WHEN YOU GET ANSWERS LIKE THAT FROM THE FOOD 09:49:47 AND DRUG ADMINISTRATION? SO I TAKE EXCEPTION TO THE 09:49:51 STATEMENT MADE IN SUPPORT OF THE CLOTURE MOTION. 09:49:55 PEOPLE OUGHT TO BESHAMED OF SAYING DR. ANDREW VON ESCHENBACH 09:50:00 HAS DONE A SUPERB JOB IN THE POSITION HE IS CURRENTLY 09:50:05 OCCUPYING. WITH AN ANSWER LIKE THAT TO THE 09:50:06 CONGRESS OF THE UNITED STATES, THAT'S AN INSULT. 09:50:10 BEFORE YOU CAST YOUR VOTE IN FAVOR OF CLOTURE, CONSIDER 09:50:15 WHAT'S AT STAKE HERE, AND PARTICULARLY PEOPLE ON THE OTHER 09:50:18 SIDE OF THE AISLE WHO DURING THE CAMPAIGN, IN CAMPAIGN COMMERCIAL 09:50:22 AFTER CAMPAIGN COMMERCIAL AFTER CAMPAIGN COMMERCIAL SAID 09:50:26 CONGRESS IS NOT DOING ITS JOB OF OVERSIGHT, IMPLYING THAT 09:50:29 REPUBLICANS WERE COVERING UP WRONGDOING BY THE 09:50:36 ADMINISTRATION. IF YOU WANT TO PRESERVE YOUR 09:50:39 ACCESS TO INFORMATION TO DO THE OVERSIGHT THAT YOU THINK YOU'RE 09:50:42 GOING TO DO WHEN YOU'RE IN THE MAJORITY AND YOU GET ANSWERS 09:50:45 LIKE THAT BACK, YOU THINK YOU'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO DO THE JOB 09:50:50 OF OVERSIGHT THAT YOU'RE DOING. MY INTERACTIONS WITH THE 09:50:57 DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH AND HUMAN SERVICES AND THE F.D.A. THESE 09:50:59 LAST EIGHT MONTHS, I'VE SEEN A COMPLETE AND UTTER DISRESPECT 09:51:04 FOR CONGRESSIONAL AUTHORITY AND, HENCE, THE LAW. 09:51:08 THE DEPARTMENT AND THE FOOD AND DRUG ADMINISTRATION HAS 09:51:10 REPEATEDLY FAILED TO ACT IN GOOD FAITH IN RESPONDING TO 09:51:14 CONGRESSIONAL INVESTIGATIONS, AND THE LACK OF 43 PAGES IS JUST 09:51:19 ONE EXAMPLE. THIS DIRECTOR'S LEADERSHIP UNDER 09:51:29 IT AT THE F.D.A. HAS FAILED TO FULLY COMPLY WITH TWO 09:51:32 CONGRESSIONAL SUBPOAS THAT WERE ISSUED SEVEN MONTHS AGO. 09:51:37 EFFORTS TO ACCOMMODATE THE AGENCY'S CONCERNS FALL ON DEAF 09:51:39 EARS AND I WONDER IF I'M DEALING WITH DYSFUNCTION BY DESIGN. 09:51:45 NOT ONLY HAS THE F.D.A. WITHHELD DOCUMENTS THAT DO NOT APPEAR TO 09:51:49 BE PRIVILEGED, BUT IT ALSO SAYS WHAT HAS BEEN WITHHELD AND WHY. 09:51:55 THE SUBPOENA COMPEL A PRIVILEGED LAW BUT THE F.D.A. HAS NOT 09:51:59 PROVIDED US WITH THAT PRIVILEGED LOG. 09:52:04 SO FOR DEMOCRATS IN THE MAJORITY NEXT YEAR DOING THE OVERSIGHT 09:52:10 THAT THEY SAID THAT THEY WERE GOING TO DO BECAUSE REPUBLICANS 09:52:16 WEREN'T DOING IT, THEN LET ME ASK YOU THIS. 09:52:18 ARE YOU GOING TO BE ABLE TO CONDUCT OVERSIGHT WHEN YOU GET 09:52:22 ANSWERS LIKE THAT? ARE YOU GOING TO BE ABLE TO 09:52:24 CONDUCT OVERSIGHT WHEN FOR SEVEN MONTHS YOU DON'T GET YOUR 09:52:27 SUBPOENAS RESPONDED TO? SO WHAT IS THE AGENCY'S 09:52:33 EXPLANATION? THE F.D.A. HAS THAT SAID SO MANY 09:52:35 DOCUMENTS HAVE WITHHELD THAT IT IS UNDULY BURDENSOME TO PROVIDE 09:52:40 A PRIVILEGED LAW. EVEN IN THE F.D.A. GENERAL 09:52:46 COUNSEL AS RECENTLY AS TUESDAY OF THIS WEEK COULD NOT SEE WHY 09:52:49 THE AGENCY NEEDED TO COMPLY WITH THE LAW AND THE TERMS OF THE 09:52:54 SUBPOENA ISSUED BY THE COMMITTEE. 09:52:56 IN DENYING THE COMMITTEE ACCESS TO THE DOCUMENTS RESPONSIVE TO 09:53:00 THE SUBPOENA, THE DEPARTMENT AND THE FOOD AND DRUG ADMINISTRATION 09:53:05 HAVE CLAIMED -- QUOTE -- "PROSECUTORIAL DELIBERATIVE 09:53:11 PROCESS" OR "CONFIDENTIAL COMMUNICATIONS" OR "AGENCY 09:53:14 PREROGATIVE TO DETERMINE WHO WILL BE INTERVIEWED AND TESTIFY 09:53:21 BEFORE A JURISDICTIONAL COMMITTEE." 09:53:23 NOW, WHEN YOU GET ANSWERS LIKE THAT, YOU ON THE OTHER SIDE OF 09:53:26 THE AISLE WHEN YOU'RE GOING TO BE IN THE MAJORITY, WHAT ARE YOU 09:53:29 GOING TO DO ABOUT IT? ARE YOU GOING TO KEEP YOUR 09:53:31 COMMITMENT TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE WHEN YOU WON THE 09:53:34 MAJORITY, AND ARE YOU GOING TO BE ABLE TO DO THE OVERSIGHT WHEN 09:53:36 YOU GET RATIONALES LIKE "PROSECUTORIAL DELIBERATIVE 09:53:41 PROCESS" "CONFIDENTIAL COMMUNICATION," "AGENCY 09:53:46 PREROGATIVE?" I COULD NOT TALK TO A LINE AGENT 09:53:49 NAMED "WES" BECAUSE YOU CAN'T TALK TO LINE AGENTS, WHEN THREE 09:53:54 MONTHS BEFORE I TALKED TO LINE AGENTS. 09:53:57 BEFORE THE JUDICIARY COMMITTEE, THERE WAS SOMEBODY THERE FROM 09:53:59 THE JUDICIARY -- FROM THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT WHEN SENATOR 09:54:03 KENNEDY SAID, I WANT ACCESS TO LINE AGENTS, UNRELATED TO WHAT 09:54:07 I'M TALKING ABOUT HERE, BECAUSE LINE AGENT WES THAT I WANTED TO 09:54:11 TALK TO, I WAS TOLD I COULDN'T TALK TO BECAUSE YOU CAN'T TALK 09:54:15 TO LINE AGENTS. THE OFFICIAL AT THE JUSTICE 09:54:17 DEPARTMENT SAID TO SENATOR KENNEDY, YOU CAN TALK TO LINE 09:54:20 AGENTS, WE'LL GET THEM FOR YOU. NOW, I DON'T KNOW WHETHER THAT 09:54:25 EVER HAPPENED OR NOT BUT THAT'S THE ANSWER HE GOT. 09:54:27 SO WHEN I GOT AROUND TO DOING MY QUESTIONING OF THAT JUSTICE 09:54:31 DEPARTMENT OFFICIAL, I SAID, WELL, WHAT ABOUT MY ABILITY TO 09:54:34 TALK TO LINE AGENT WES? WELL, IT JUST SEEMED LIKE I WAS 09:54:37 GOING TO BE ABLE TO TALK TO LINE AGENT WES. 09:54:39 BUT YET THIS VERY DAY, THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT IS ADVISING 09:54:45 THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR THAT WE CAN'T TALK TO LINE AGENT 09:54:49 WES, WHICH IS KEY TO WHETHER OR NOT SOME OF THESE INVESTIGATIONS 09:54:53 ARE ALLOWING DANGEROUS DRUGS ON THE MARKET. 09:54:58 AND IN CEDAR RAPIDS, IOWA, I HAVE A FAMILY THAT LOST AN 09:55:02 18-YEAR-OLD BECAUSE OF A DRUG THAT WAS ON THE MARKET -- NOT ON 09:55:07 THE MARKET NOW. THAT WAS ON THE MARKET THEN. 09:55:11 IT SEEMS TO ME IF YOU'RE CONCERNED ABOUT THE SAFETY OF 09:55:13 DRUGS, THIS INFORMATION IS IMPORTANT. 09:55:17 AND IF YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE IT COVERED UP IN THE F.D.A., THAT 09:55:23 YOU AREN'T PROTECTING THE PUBLIC. 09:55:25 AND IF CONGRESSMEN KNOW ABOUT IT, YOU AREN'T DOING YOUR JOB OF 09:55:28 OVERSIGHT. THIS PAST SUMMER, I ASKED THE 09:55:35 CONGRESSIONAL RESEARCH SERVICE TO LOOK INTO THE DEPARTMENT'S 09:55:38 POLICIES REGARDING THIS MATTER, AND C.R.S. TOLD ME THAT THERE IS 09:55:42 -- QUOTE -- "NO LEGAL BASIS" FOR THE DEPARTMENT'S EXECUTIVE 09:55:47 BRANCH ASSERTIONS. THE LEGAL ANALYSIS PROVIDED BY 09:55:51 C.R.S. SUPPORTS THE COMMITTEE'S POSITION THAT THESE EXECUTIVE 09:55:54 AGENCY CLAIMS HAVE BEEN CONSISTENTLY REJECTED AND 09:55:58 COMPLIANCE WITH CONGRESSIONAL REQUESTS IN THE PAST HAS BEEN 09:56:02 FORTHCOMING. C.R.S. CITES NUMEROUS COURT 09:56:05 CASES WHICH ESTABLISH AND SUPPORT CONGRESS'S POWER TO 09:56:08 ENGAGE IN OVERSIGHT AND INVESTIGATION ACTIVITIES AND ITS 09:56:13 ACCESS TO EXECUTIVE BRANCH PERSONNEL AND DOCUMENTS IN 09:56:16 CARRYING OUT OUR POWERS OF OVERSIGHT. 09:56:18 THE DEPARTMENT, H.H.S., F.D.A., WITHIN H.H.S. SAYS IT HAS BEEN 09:56:26 RESPONSIVE BECAUSE THE AGENCY MADE AVAILABLE HUNDREDS OF 09:56:29 THOUSANDS, EVEN MILLIONS OF PAGES OF DOCUMENTS TO THE 09:56:32 FINANCE COMMITTEE IN RESPONSE TO SUBPOENAS. 09:56:34 BUT THE AGENCY CAN GIVE ME -- BUT THE AGENCY CAN GIVE ME ALL 09:56:38 THE BOOKS AND ALL THE DOCUMENTS HOUSED AT THE LIBRARY OF 09:56:40 CONGRESS AND IT WON'T MATTER IF IT'S NOT WHAT I'VE ASKED FOR AND 09:56:45 THE PAGES ARE REMOVED. IT IS THIS TYPE OF COOPERATION 09:56:50 THAT I'M GETTING UNDER THIS DIRECTOR THAT YOU'RE NOW GOING 09:56:52 TO CONFIRM. I'M VERY CONCERNED ABOUT THE 09:56:59 COOPERATION, IF ANY, THAT WE HAVE ONCE HE BECOMES A PERMANENT 09:57:04 COMMISSIONER. AND EVERY MEMBER OF CONGRESS 09:57:05 SHOULD BE EQUALLY CONCERNED IF THEY TAKE THEIR CONSTITUTIONAL 09:57:08 DUTY OF CONDUCTING OVERSIGHT OF THE EXECUTIVE BRANCH SERIOUSLY 09:57:13 AND, MOST IMPORTANTLY, TO THE NEW MAJORITY. 09:57:16 WHEN YOU'RE GOING TO CARRY OUT YOUR CAMPAIGN PROMISES TO MAKE 09:57:19 SURE THAT THERE'S PROPER OVERSIGHT, CHECKS AND BALANCES 09:57:23 AGAINST AN EXECUTIVE BRANCH OF GOVERNMENT YOU THINK'S EXCEEDING 09:57:26 AUTHORITY. IF THIS IS THE TYPE, EVERY 09:57:40 MEMBER SHOULD BE CONCERNED. I CANNOT EMPHASIZE THIS ENOUGH, 09:57:45 BUT A VOTE FOR CLOTURE TODAY IS A VOTE AGAINST OVERSIGHT AND 09:57:49 THAT IS NOT WHAT THIS SENATE SHOULD BE DOING AND IT IS NOT 09:57:52 WHAT THE AMERICAN PEOPLE SENT US HERE TO DO. 09:57:56 WE NEED TO STEP UP CONGRESSIONAL OVERSIGHT TO PROTECT OUR 09:58:00 NATION'S SYSTEMS OF CHECKS AND BALANCES AND NOT REWARD THOSE 09:58:04 WHO SEEK TO IMPEDE OUR CONSTITUTIONAL AUTHORITY. 09:58:08 THIS BODY SHOULD NOT WALK HAND IN HAND WITH THE EXECUTIVE 09:58:12 BRANCH AND SIT IDLY BY AS INSTANCES OF WASTE, FRAUD AND 09:58:18 ABUSE CONTINUE TO ENDANGER THE HEALTH AND SAFETY OF THE 09:58:21 AMERICAN PEOPLE. THIS SENATE NEEDS TO MAKE IT 09:58:24 CLEAR TO THE EXECUTIVE BRANCH THAT CONGRESS TAKES ITS 09:58:28 OVERSIGHT RESPONSIBILITIES SERIOUSLY AND TO VOTE AGAINST 09:58:31 CLOTURE. AND IF WE DO HAVE CLOTURE, I 09:58:32 WILL HAVE OTHER REMARKS DURING POST-CLOTURE DEBATE. 09:58:39 A SENATOR: MADAM PRESIDENT? THE PRESIDING OFFICER: THE 09:58:41 SENATOR FROM WYOMING. MR. ENZI: I WANT TO JUST BRIEFLY 09:58:47 MAKE A COMMENT HERE BECAUSE I UNDERSTAND THE SENATOR'S 09:58:53 FRUSTRATION. I'VE BEEN WORKING WITH HIM TO 09:58:54 TRY TO GET DOCUMENTS, TRYING TO GET THE INTERVIEW WITH MR. WES. 09:59:00 I WANT YOU TO PUT YOURSELF IN DR. HERB BOCK'S POSITION. 09:59:04 HE IS NOT CONFIRMED. HE DOES NOT HAVE FULL AUTHORITY 09:59:06 TO RUN THAT DEPARTMENT. SO WHAT HE HAS TO DO IS RELY ON 09:59:08 THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE, A

Intriguingly bizarre film comparing the courtship and mating rituals of humans with those of animals. <br/><br/>Scenario and Direction by Mary Field. Music arranged by W.E. Hodgson. Recordist A.F. Birch. Photographed and Produced by British Instructional Films Ltd. Welwyn Garden City.<br/><br/>A man strolls through the countryside whistling a song which echoes that of a bird seen sitting on a twig. He discovers his girlfriend who is hiding in the woodland picking flowers. When he finds her he booms: "I knew it was you!" and embraces her. She objects: "No, no!" (even though she likes it!). "Oh Stella, why won't you marry me?" he implores. "There are such thousands and millions of people in the world" she replies, "how can we be sure that we are really made for one another?" C/U of the couple - he is a classic spiv with pencil thin moustache and she is a classic 1930s beauty. He promises Stella that he will get a rise and they will buy a house (she can choose the furniture). This would be a great sequence for illustrating love's young dream in the 1930s.<br/> <br/>Narrator states: "Marriage, mating and the age old mystery of the universe. The secret of the attraction that draws one individual to another. This attraction is exercised by almost all living creatures and can be discovered even among the lower forces of life." We are then shown some microscope footage of mould! Time lapse photography is used to show how mould grows with a bizarre commentary about how mould searches for a partner but will only have a "cousinly embrace" if they meet a relative. Weird!<br/><br/>Time lapse photography of flowers growing (sweet peas?). Silly narration continues over these shots and footage of the Praying Mantis. A man preparing himself for "wooing" by polishing his hair and preening his moustache is compared to various animals including a Hunting Spider. Various C/Us of the spider capturing and wrapping up his prey. These are intercut with shot of man wrapping flowers (like the fly, a gift for his intended).<br/><br/>The mating techniques of the predatory spider are compared with those of humans. A young woman sitting in a bar on her own eyes up a man who sits at her table. He asks her "what's yours?" and she flirtatiously replies: "Well, I don't know". He buys her a glass of stout.<br/><br/>The mating rituals of sticklebacks, peacocks and other birds are compared to humans. "New spring clothes can encourage the shyest suitor to take up a courageous attitude in courtship" we are informed over nice shots of a man in a striped blazer strutting and chasing a women. He catches her beside a haystack and kisses her passionately. <br/><br/>A peacock displaying its tail is compared to a man in tails. Narrator discusses the fact that in the animal world strange choices are sometimes made in mates. A tall woman and a short man are used to show that this happens with humans too! <br/><br/>The antlers of a deer remind us that in courtship there is rivalry. Labyrinth spiders are shown. The narrator points out that they are apparently happy but the male is making no effort to entertain his mate. As the narrator observes: "It is fatal to allow anything feminine to become bored". <br/><br/>Interior of a railway station tea bar or similar. Signs for Oxo and Bovril visible behind the counter. A man in a white coat gives a male customer some horseracing tips. Woman leans on the counter looking sultry as a man in the foreground admires her. She is obviously bored with her mate. C/U of a spiders web with 2 or 3 spiders scuttling around it - implication being that she is trying to entrap the new man on the scene. She continues to pose. Another man comes to the counter and he and the woman look each other up and down. The man is served a cup of tea. The woman gives him her best "come hither" look. She bats her eyelids, he looks keen - licking his lips. The woman's mate stands up to his full height looking menacing, he grabs the woman's arm and moves her away along the counter.<br/><br/>C/U of a spider's web - one spider chases another. C/U of a fight between two female Praying Mantis - they are fighting over a man. The next section illustrates female rivalry. C/U of a woman's hand as she uses her fingers to take beauty cream from various pots on her dressing table. C/U of another woman's hands as she applies powder to her puff. C/U of a young woman applying lipstick. Shot of an older woman's reflection in the mirror as she applies lipstick. The two glamorous women are seen at their dressing tables making themselves look gorgeous. L/S of older woman standing up - she wears a long black evening gown and pearls. She fluffs out a long back train which drifts along behind her as she walks. She opens the door to another room to reveal a younger woman at another dressing table. The second woman stands up and as she does so the shoulder strap of her dress falls down revealing her shoulder. C/U of the first woman giving her a sultry stare - lesbians perhaps? or just love rivals. "That dress still look charming" states the elder - a cutting remark I suppose! C/U of the female Praying Mantis. <br/><br/>L/S of deer fighting - two males fighting over supremacy. Some young does watch. C/U of a woman who looks in a state of sexual arousal as she smiles and leans backwards hanging on to a fence, watching the start of a motorbike race. (This is all very strange stuff!) Various shots of a motorcycle race intercut with reaction shots of the female spectator. Quite fast editing. Very Eisenstein! The last shot of the woman is quite a contrast. She turns her head very slowly towards the camera. The mastery of the male! Next shot is a big C/U of a flower being turned towards the camera. Extreme C/U of flower - a gladiolus, presumably suggesting female genitalia to those in the know! Colour and form attract bees "that act as marriage makers." C/U of cells (?) C/U of the gladiolus. A wasp pops in and out of the flower collecting pollen. C/Us of a sweet pea. C/U of a model of a sweet pea in section. Tweezers are used to press down one of the petals which makes the stamen move out of the flower. The action is repeated. The tweezers point to part of the flower and through stop frame animation pollen appears on the flower.<br/><br/>M/S of a very dapper man in a suit smelling a flower he has in his button hole. He smiles to himself and looks roguish. C/U of the model of the flower. Our old friend "Bertie" - a model bee seen in several "Secrets of Nature" films appears and lands on the model flower. He presses down the petal, so forcing out the stamen which deposits pollen on Bertie's body. Bertie flies off. M/S of a beautiful woman dressed in a wedding gown with ornate head dress and veil. She turns demurely and looks at the camera. C/U of Bertie landing on the flower again. C/U of roguish man and "Stella" in an embrace. "The marriage has now been solemnised" states the narrator - is that what you call it?! The couple kiss passionately. He forces her backwards and they both disappear off frame as if she has sunk onto a bed! <br/><br/>C/U of pollen grains under a microscope. They grow long stalks then shoot out powder. C/U of more pollen grains. C/U of a graphic illustration of the pollination of a pea pod. We see a real pea pod growing through time lapse photography. We then see the pea pod opening out and the peas popping off one by one. C/U of a bean. C/U of Praying Mantis on a twig. C/U of the end of the insect from which a foamy substance is being produced. This attaches itself to the twig. Extreme C/U of the revolting foam stuff! This is a cushioning substance for the young of the insect. Cut to extreme C/U of woman knitting (just her hands and large amount of knitted fabric). Repeat of these two images - comparing human mother with insect mother. L/S of the insect on the twig. L/S of the woman knitting - she is sitting in an armchair in a living room setting. M/S of the eggs or pupae which are inside a piece of wood. Various C/Us of spider climbing along a twig. Extreme C/U of bulbous body of the spider - she carries babies in a cocoon. C/U of a stone being lifted up to reveal an earwig and eggs. C/U of earwig burrowing to make a hidey hole for her eggs. The earwig puts the eggs one by one into the burrow. Underwater shots of a stickleback moving twigs and other plant matter around to make a kind of nest. One fish can be seen inside the plant nest whilst another swims around protecting his mate who is presumably laying her eggs. L/S of a bird (some sort of grebe?) approaching its nest. M/S of three gulls sitting on cliffs. Various shots of birds and their nests. Various shots of a squirrel sitting on a branch and of its nest. <br/><br/>L/S of a man building a primitive dwelling from bamboo or similar wood. The man is black and dressed in a simple robe. M/S of middle eastern men building a wall of mud. Narrator speaks of "building a lair" M/S of a caucasian man in a raincoat and hat looking at a building site with a sign which reads: "Bijou Baronial Halls - Miniature Manorial Mansions �400 to �700. �10 down balance as rent. Carter & Field, Heavensville." M/S of three people sitting around an office table. This is presumably a young married couple in the office of Carter & Field enquiring about a new home. They are told that the lino will be laid free, �10 down and �50 instalments of a pound will sort things out and their furniture will be delivered in a plain van...<br/><br/>This section is about the young of plants and animals. Nature film of poppy seeds being tipped out of a seed head, a butterfly laying eggs on a mouldy pear, caterpillars hatching and snails leaving shells. Cheese mite struggling out of an egg, frog spawn developing through time lapse photography and newly hatched alligator. Plants drop their seeds, cucumber seedling seen growing in slow motion as is a cress seed. Earwig seen guarding her young. Hunting spider seen spinning cocoon. Baby spiders seen hatching - yeuch! Stickleback - devoted father - guards nest with eggs inside. Sticklebacks hatch and swim around. Various birds are seen feeding their young - these shots are intercut with footage of a woman leaving a bakery and going home to prepare a meal for her family. C/Us of her peeling potatoes. Mother sits at table with a babe in arms and other children around her. C/Us of the mother spooning food into open mouths of her children - just like baby birds.<br/><br/>Rabbits in a warren, cows, goats and horses with their young. Kangaroos that carry their babies in a pouch are compared with certain human tribes that carry babies in papooses.<br/><br/>Dandelion clock seen in C/U to illustrate creatures growing up and leaving home. The opening and closing of a seed head is seen through time lapse photography. The seeds fly through the air then land on the ground. The "parachute" opens and closes according to the amount of water in the air. Wild oats are seen growing through time lapse. Seeds drop off the stem: "Wild oats do actually sow wild oats" states the narrator then congratulates himself: "Oh, very good!" The thistle seed is seen in C/U. The progress of the seed through the air is shown through models.<br/><br/>Hunting spider is seen encouraging its young to leave the nest by biting holes in the web. Narrator speaks of the desire of the young to leave the home. The stickleback babies swim around and a baby goat is encouraged to explore. A posh young boy is seen in an upper class home. Mother is heard saying: "Now you can have a nice afternoon sitting down and reading your book". He seems more interested in a girl who is beckoning him from some rose bushes outside! He attempts to creep out without his mother seeing him but she catches him out! "Independence takes a long time for some of us to achieve" states the narrator.<br/><br/>Birds leave their nests. Some learn to fly. A little girl hides behind a tree trunk and powders her nose: "Actually growing up is only copying what we see adults do" states the narrator. He speaks of how some birds find it difficult to leave the nest - not so for the human bird! A glamorous girl jumps into a car with her boyfriend and speeds off leaving her distraught mother on the doorstep! Funny! Married couple walk through the countryside pushing a pram - it is the couple from the beginning. They spot another courting couple who sit on the fence where they used to sit. "It's a mystery this marriage business" states the man. Certainly is! Not made much clearer by this film really! <br/><br/>Note: A very bizarre and mysterious film. Where was it shown? In schools like the other Secrets of Nature films? Surely not?! If anyone knows more about this film please let us know. Percy Smith shot most of the nature footage in this film. Pathe have only reel 2 on film (described in records c, d and e). National Film and Television Archive holds complete copy - 3 reels.

09:00:00 MANY MONTHS TO GET THAT MONEY OUT. 09:00:01 >> HAD THERE EVER BEEN ANOTHER INSTANCE OF WHERE THE SYSTEM HAD 09:00:07 BEEN DISABLED? >> WE'RE NOT AWARE OF ANY. 09:00:11 .. >> IF THEY USE CHASEPOINT, I'M 09:00:53 NOT SAYING THEY CAN ELIMINATE FRAUD BUT CAN MAKE A SIGNIFICANT 09:00:56 DENT IN FRAUD, WASTE AND ABUSE BY UP IMPLEMENTING MAIN OF THOSE 09:01:00 CONTROLS PEOPLE FEMA OR OTHER ONES THIS DO -- CHOICE POINT 09:01:05 DOES, IMPLEMENTING THE CONTROLS. >> I STILL GO BACK TO THE POINT, 09:01:08 YOU CAN TALK ABOUT CONTROLS, YOU CAN WRITE THEM DOWN ON A PIECE 09:01:12 OF PAPER BUT SOMEBODY NEEDS TO TEST THESE CONTROLS, BECAUSE, 09:01:17 QUITE HONESTLY IT IS LIKE EVERYTHING ELSE, YOU CAN SAY YOU 09:01:20 FOUND THE PROPERTY BUT UNTIL YOU TOUCH IT YOU REALLY DON'T KNOW 09:01:22 IF YOU HAVE IT AND IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, YOU TAN CAULK 09:01:26 ABOUT THE CONTROL BUT I REALLY THINK THERE HAS TO BE SOME TYPE 09:01:29 OF AN AGREEMENT WHERE SOMEONE WILL ACTUALLY COME IN AND TEST 09:01:33 WHAT YOU ARE ACTUALLY PUTTING ON A PIECE OF PAPER AND UNTIL THAT 09:01:36 IS DONE, I'M NOT REALLY HAPPY THAT IT WILL BE SATISFACTORY. 09:01:45 >> WHAT I'M HEARING IS UNTIL YOU HAVE A CHANCE TO REVIEW THIS YOU 09:01:48 ARE NOT IN A POSITION TO SAY WHETHER IT MEETS THE KIND OF 09:01:52 SPECIFICATIONS AN STANDARDS YOU WANT TO SEE TO PREVENT FURTHER 09:01:55 WASTE, FRAUD AND ABUSE. >> NOT ONLY REVIEW IT, BUT YOU 09:01:57 HAVE TO TEST IT. THERE IS GOING TO BE SO MANY 09:02:00 DIFFERENT CIRCUMSTANCES THAT COME UP, WE HAVE SO MANY 09:02:04 CITIZENS NEEDED ASSISTANCE, THEY ARE GOING TO HAVE DIFFERENT 09:02:06 STORIES AND DIFFERENT SITUATIONS S YOU HAVE TO BE ABLE TO TEST 09:02:10 YOUR PROGRAM, FIND OUT WHERE YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE AN OVERFLOW OF 09:02:14 PROBLEMS AND MAKE SURE THAT YOU CAN PLAN FOR YOUR MANPOWER SO 09:02:17 THAT YOU CAN HANDLE THOSE SITUATIONS, TO MAKE SURE THE 09:02:21 PEOPLE THAT NEED THE ASSISTANCE GET IT AS QUICKLY AS THEY 09:02:23 POSSIBLY CAN. >> SENATOR, CAN I ADD? 09:02:26 WE DID TEST, I MEAN, WITH THIS DISASTER WE TESTED AND THAT IS 09:02:29 ONE OF THE RESULTS OF THE TEST IS THEM SENDING IS MONEY, 09:02:32 BECAUSE WE WENT IN WITH BOGUS INFORMATION AND TESTED THE 09:02:35 SYSTEM VARIOUS WAYS TO SEE IF WE COULD BEAT IT AND THAT IS ONE OF 09:02:38 THE RESULTS AND DID IT DONE THE HALL FROM OUR OFFICES. 09:02:41 >> AND IN TERMS OF TESTING, SOME OF THE SCENARIOS, I MEAN, ONE -- 09:02:45 LET'S SAY THERE WERE TWO BACK-TO-BACK DISASTERS, DO WE 09:02:49 HAVE A SENSE OF HOW THE SYSTEM WOULD OPERATE UNDER THOSE 09:02:52 CIRCUMSTANCES. >> THEY HAVE AN EDIT THAT CAN 09:02:55 ACTUALLY IDENTIFY PEOPLE MAKING CLAIMS FOR BOTH DISASTERS. 09:03:00 IN THE PARTICULAR CASE, BASED ON THE WORK WE DID, WE FOUND THAT 09:03:04 THE -- THEY TURNED THE EDIT OFF. THEREFORE, IF THE EDIT WAS IN 09:03:08 PLACE, THEY WOULD HAVE BEEN ABLE TO IDENTIFY POTENTIAL TARGETS. 09:03:12 WE ARE NOT SAYING ALL OF THE INDIVIDUALS WHO HAVE DUPLICATE 09:03:15 PAYMENT ARE FRAUD CASES. BUT, WE HAVE TALK TO THE TASK 09:03:20 FORCE IN LOUISIANA, MR. DUGAS AT JUSTICE AND WE BELIEVE THESE 09:03:24 CASES ARE WORTHY OF REFERRING TO THEM FOR FURTHER INVESTIGATION. 09:03:28 >> I WANT TO FOCUS ON AT LEAST THE SYSTEM THAT APPEARS TO BE 09:03:31 ESTABLISHED IN PLACE REGARDING IDENTITY VERIFICATION. 09:03:35 ONE OF THE CONCERNS YOU RAISED WAS THE -- THAT YOU USED SOCIAL 09:03:39 SECURITY NUMBERS AND THE PEOPLE USE THE SOCIAL SECURITY NUMBERS 09:03:41 THAT WERE NOT THEIR OWN, COULD GET DISASTER ASSISTANCE. 09:03:44 DO YOU HAVE ANY ESSENTIAL OF WHETHER THIS SYSTEM WOULD BE 09:03:47 ABLE TO IDENTIFY FOLKS USING IMPROPER SOCIAL SECURITY NUMBERS 09:03:52 OR WHETHER THIS SYSTEM WOULD IDENTIFY SOMEONE WHO IS NOT A 09:03:56 U.S. CITIZEN, THE PARAMETERS OF WHETHER THIS PROBLEM WOULD BE 09:03:59 ADDRESSED WITH THE SYSTEM IN PLACE RIGHT NOW? 09:04:01 >> THE CHOICEPOINT SYSTEM COULD HAVE IDENTIFIED IF ONE PERSON 09:04:05 TRIED TO GET IN WITH BAD INFORMATION. 09:04:07 MOST CASES THERE ARE EXCEPTIONS TO THAT. 09:04:09 I THINK THE FOREIGN STUDENTS COULD HAVE GOTTEN THROUGH IF 09:04:12 THEY HAD SOCIAL SECURITY NUMBERS THERE IS NO WAY TO TELL THEY 09:04:15 WERE INELIGIBLE FOR THE STUDENT. ONE OF THE OTHER PROBLEMS, 09:04:19 PEOPLE USED THE SAME SOCIAL SECURITY NUMBER 20 TIMES AND 09:04:21 WERE ABLE TO GET -- AND HOPEFULLY THEY'VE PUT IN 09:04:23 SOMETHING, AFTER CHICAGO POINT SAYS THAT IS A REAL SOCIAL 09:04:25 SECURITY NUMBER, SOMEONE IS MAKING SURE THEY ARE NOT 09:04:28 REGISTERING 20 TIMES. WITH THE SAME NUMBER. 09:04:31 >> I WOULD HOPE YOU WOULD DO WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE TO FIGURE 09:04:34 OUT WAYS TO ENSURE THAT -- WELL, MAYBE THAT IS OR RESPOND, THE 09:04:38 SYSTEM IS TESTED AND THAT IT IS CHECKED. 09:04:42 I HATE TO COME BACK AFTER THE NEXT DISASTER WITH SIMILAR 09:04:45 PROBLEMS AND THE RESPONSE IS WE THOUGHT IT WORKED BUT DIDN'T 09:04:48 KNOW AND IN THE END IT DIDN'T WORK. 09:04:50 THANK YOU, MADAME CHAIR. >> THANK YOU, MADAME CHAIR. 09:04:55 COULD YOU ASK SOMEONE TO PUT UP THE VERY FIRST POSTER THAT WAS 09:04:59 UP? >> JUST TELL US AGAIN WHAT WE 09:05:13 HAVE HERE. STARTING FROM THE LEFT, LOOKS 09:05:14 LIKE A BILLION DOLLARS, THE GAO ESTIMATE OF IMPROPER STATEMENTS. 09:05:21 >> 2006 AND THAT WAS BASED UPON A STATISTICAL SAMPLE WE DID OF 09:05:24 EVERY PAYMENT AND REGISTRATION THAT WAS MAY. 09:05:27 >> AND AS OF ABOUT A MONTH AGO IT LOOKS LIKE FEMA IDENTIFIED 09:05:32 ROUGHLY 30% OF -- >> IMPROPER PAYMENTS. 09:05:37 >> AND THEY'VE GONE OUT AND COLLECTED $7 MILLION WHICH IS 09:05:43 ABOUT 2-3%. >> RIGHT. 09:05:44 >> OF THE AMOUNT. WOULD YOU SAY THE $7 MILLION, 09:05:48 2-3% IS ABOUT WHAT YOU WOULD EXPECT? 09:05:50 A BIT LOW? I CAN'T RATION IT IS A BIT HIGH. 09:05:56 HOW WOULD YOU CHARACTERIZE IT. >> I EXPECT A COUPLE PENNIES ON 09:05:59 THE DOLLAR. I DON'T EXPECT A LOT MORE. 09:06:01 MAYBE OVER TIME THEY'LL GET MORE AND IT GETS INTO THE OTHER ISSUE 09:06:04 AND I THINK SENATOR COLLINS MENTIONED, FEMA ALSO HAS MAYBE 09:06:07 $8 MILLION OF RECEIVABLES NOW AND NOW FEMA IS BECOMING A DEBT 09:06:11 COLLECTION AGENCY AND THAT IS NOT THE PURPOSE WANT FEMA DOING 09:06:14 AND SO, BUT, CERTAINLY, THEY COULD POTENTIALLY GET MORE BUT 09:06:17 IT WILL NOT BE MUCH AT THE END OF THE DAY. 09:06:20 >> ARE THERE OTHERS, OTHER ENTITIES, PUBLIC OR PRIVATE, TO 09:06:23 WHOM THEY COULD DISPATCH OR TURN OVER THE RESPONSIBILITY FOR DEBT 09:06:29 COLLECTION, MAYBE THEY'VE ALREADY DONE THAT. 09:06:30 I DON'T KNOW. >> THE WAY IT IS SUPPOSED TO 09:06:32 WORK, ONCE THEY'VE ISSUED THE LITERS, SAYING YOU SO US THIS 09:06:38 MONEY BACK, ET CETERA, AFTER A CERTAIN PERIOD OF TIME THE WAY 09:06:40 THE GOVERNMENT PROCESS WORKS, THEY ARE SUPPOSED TO REFER IT TO 09:06:43 THE TREASURY DEPARTMENT WHO HAS AN OFFSET PROGRAM AND ULTIMATELY 09:06:45 IT WILL END UP WITH COLLECTION AGENTS POSSIBLY AND THEY MAY OFF 09:06:49 SIT AGAINST THINGS LIKE REFUND, TAX REFUNDS OR OTHER THINGS AND 09:06:53 THERE IS A PROCESS FEMA SHOULD FOLLOW, ONCE IT GETS AFTER A 09:06:57 CERTAIN AGE GOES TO TREASURY AND COLLECTION AGENTS AND THEY 09:06:59 OFFSET AGAINST OTHER GOVERNMENT DISBURSEMENTS. 09:07:01 >> ARE YOU AWARE OF ANYTHING THAT WE SHOULD BE DOING ON THIS 09:07:04 COMMITTEE OR IN CONGRESS TO INCREASE THAT NUMBER FROM 7 09:07:10 MILLION, TO SOMETHING HIGHER THAN THAT, TO TAKE OR -- MAKE I 09:07:16 $290 MILLION, BEING IDENTIFIED CLOSER TO THE BILLION DOLLARS 09:07:20 THAT IT -- YOU INVITED -- IDENTIFIEDEN YOUR EARLIER WORK. 09:07:25 >> WE UNDERSTAND THEY'VE SHARED WITH SOME OF THE COMMITTEE STAFF 09:07:30 THERE IS MORE REKRUMENTS THAT THEY -- RECOUPMENTS THAT CAN 09:07:34 MAKE THE $290 MILLION GROW, THE QUESTION IS, HOW CAN YOU COLLECT 09:07:39 THE MONEY FROM THE PEOPLE, IF THEY ARE FRAUDSTERS, THEY ARE 09:07:43 NE AND IF IT IS PEOPLE WHO MY MIGHT NOT BE FRAUD LEN AND I'LL 09:07:47 USE THE STUDENTS, A LOT OF STUDENTS APPARENTLY SPENT THE 09:07:50 MONEY AND NOW SAY TO OUR PEOPLE, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A HARD TIME 09:07:52 PAYING THE MONEY BACK. SO, AGAIN, IF YOU SPENT THE 09:07:56 MONEY ITS HARD TO PAY IT BACK SOMETIMES. 09:07:58 OWE, IT WILL -- SO IT WILL BE, I THINK GOOD MANAGEMENT CAN GET 09:08:02 SEVERAL PERCENT BUT WILL BE HARD TO IMAGINE THEM GETTING A LOT 09:08:05 BUT WHAT YOU C DO IS PROVIDE OVERSIGHT OF FEMA TO MAKE SURE 09:08:09 THEY ARE FOLLOWING THE RIGHT PROCESSES, BECAUSE THE MORE 09:08:12 EFFECTIVE WAY IS FRAUD PREVENTION AND NOW THAT YOU ARE 09:08:14 HERE WHERE YOU ARE WE WANT TO SEE PEOPLE RECOVER AS MUCH AS 09:08:17 POSSIBLE. >> I THINK WHAT YOU SAID, THERE 09:08:20 IS REALLY CRITICAL, AND THE IMPORTANT THING IS FOR US TO DO 09:08:23 THE JOB AT THE FRONT END AND FEMA TO DO THE RIGHT JOB AT THE 09:08:26 FRONT END, WHEN THE MONEY IS OUT IT IS FOR THE MOST PART, GONE, 09:08:30 OUT OF HERE. COULD YOU LOOK AT THE SECOND 09:08:35 POSTER THAT YOU HAD UP THERE, PLEASE? 09:08:44 JUST EXPLAIN THIS ONE AGAIN FOR YOU, IF YOU WOULD, BRIEFLY. 09:08:47 >> YES. THIS IS INDIVIDUAL THAT ARE 09:08:49 STAYING AT FEMA PROVIDED HOUSING AND IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE IT 09:08:52 IS MOBILE HOMES AN TRAILERS. COULD BE AHO TELL, HOTELS HAVE 09:08:55 THE SAME ISSUE, APARTMENTS HAVE THE SAME ISSUE. 09:08:58 THEY ARE ENTITLED TO FREE HOUSING UNDER THE PROGRAM, IF 09:09:00 THEY ARE A LEGIT MAT VICTIM AND WHAT THE PROBLEM IS AT THE SAME 09:09:04 TIME THEY HAVE FREE HOUSING FEMA SENT A CHECK REIMBURSING THEM 09:09:08 FOR RENTAL THEY WERE NOT INCURRING AND THE GOVERNMENT 09:09:10 BASICALLY PAID TWICE FOR THESE INDIVIDUALS' HOUSING AND WHETHER 09:09:14 IT ES FRAUD DEPENDS ON CERTAIN CASES AND SOME MIGHT BE PEOPLE, 09:09:16 SAY, HEY I GOT A CHECK FROM FEMA FOR RENTAL ASSISTANCE THOUGH I'M 09:09:20 STAYING AT A FREE HOTEL OR IN THIS CASE A MOBILE HOME OR 09:09:23 TRAILER. AND THAT IS WHAT THAT REPRESENTS 09:09:26 AND AGAIN YOU ARE PAYING TWICE FOR THE SAME THING. 09:09:28 >> THE COURTS RECENTLY RULED THAT -- AT LEAST, FEDERAL 09:09:33 DISTRICT COURT RECENTLY RULED FEMA NEEDED TO CONTINUE 09:09:37 PROVIDING HOUSING ASSISTANCE FOR A NUMBER OF PEOPLE WHO HAVE BEEN 09:09:40 DISPLACED. HOW DOES THAT FIT INTO THIS 09:09:45 SITUATION, OR DOES IT? >> IT MAY. 09:09:47 I MEAN, I THINK ONE OF THE ISSUES IS, FEMA MAKING SURE 09:09:49 PEOPLE ARE ALERTED AS TO WHAT THEY ARE SUPPOSED TO SPEND THE 09:09:52 MONEY ON AND GETS BACK TO THE SAME THING, THE DEBIT CARDS AND 09:09:55 FEMA WAS NOT TELLING PEOPLE HOW TO SPEND THE MONEY AND GOT INTO 09:09:58 CERTAIN ISSUES BUT I'M NOT SURE HOW IT RELATES, THERE MAY BE 09:10:03 OVERLAP WITH THE ISSUE. >> WHAT KIND OF ASSURANCES CAN 09:10:05 YOU GIVE US THAT LOOKING AHEAD TO THE NEXT DISASTER OR NEXT 09:10:09 HURRICANE OR FLOOD, THAT FEMA HAS LEARNED LESSONS, SO THAT WE 09:10:13 WON'T REPLICATE THESE PROBLEMS IN THE FUTURE, BECAUSE AS YOU 09:10:17 POINTED OUT, ONCE THE MONEY IS GONE, IT IS GONE. 09:10:19 >> ONE OF THE FRUSTRATING PARTS FROM WHERE WE SIT IS WE CAN'T DO 09:10:23 IT, WE CAN ONLY RECOMMEND IT, BUT WE HAVE GIVEN THEM WHAT WE 09:10:27 THINK ARE PRACTICABLE, IMPLEMENTABLE RECOMMENDATIONS 09:10:30 THAT DON'T NECESSARILY HARJ LEGITIMATE VICTIMS BUT HELP US 09:10:33 REDUCE FRAUD, WASTE AND ABUSE AND SO, SRM OUR FOLLOW-UP AND 09:10:36 MAYBE THIS COMMITTEE'S FOLLOW-UP WOULD BE USEFUL IN HOLDING 09:10:40 FEMA'S FEET TO THE FIRE AND MAKING SURE THEY DO BETTER NEXT 09:10:43 TIME AND WE'D BE MORE THAN WILLING TO WORK WITH THE 09:10:46 COMMITTEE ON THAT POINT. >> THAT IS ONE OUR SUBCOMMITTEE 09:10:48 MAY WANT TO LOOK AT THE NEXT YEAR AS WELL. 09:10:50 THANKS TO BOTH OF YOU FOR YOUR CONTINUED SERVICE. 09:10:56 >> I'D LIKE TO RETURN TO THE POSTER BOARD OF THE DISASTER 09:11:01 ASSISTANCE CHECK RECEIVED BY GAO. 09:11:05 MR. RYAN, AT FIRST, EXPLAIN TO ME HOW SOMEONE FROM GAO RECEIVED 09:11:11 THIS. >> WE TESTED THE SYSTEM. 09:11:15 WE TESTED THE SYSTEM TO SEE IF THE CONTROL, THE UP-FRONT 09:11:19 CONTROLS WERE IN PLACE TO STOP A PERSON LIKE MYSELF AND THE 09:11:24 AGENTS THAT SIT BEHIND ME FROM STEALING THE MONEY. 09:11:27 WE CREATED IDENTITIES, WE USED SOCIAL SECURITY NUMBERS THAT 09:11:30 WERE NOTLY,ED TO THOSE IDENTITIES, AND -- NOT LINKED TO 09:11:34 THOSE IDENTITIES AND WENT ON-LINE FIRST TO TRY TO 09:11:37 REGISTER. WE WERE NOT SUCCESSFUL. 09:11:39 BECAUSE OF THE ON-LINE VERIFICATION PROCESS, STOPPED US 09:11:43 BECAUSE IT IDENTIFIED US NOT AS REAL PEOPLE. 09:11:46 HOWEVER, THE SYSTEM SAID IF YOU DON'T GET THROUGH, CALL US. 09:11:50 WELL, WE CALLED, USED THE SAME INFORMATION, AND WE WERE ABLE TO 09:11:54 REGISTER. WE PROVIDED DOCUMENTATION, WHICH 09:11:58 WE COUNTERFEITED, MANUFACTURED, THEY ACCEPTED IT, AND IN THE 09:12:03 PROCESS, PROCEEDED TO SEND US THIS CHECK ALONG WITH OTHER 09:12:07 CHECKS. >> ISN'T IT PRETTY EASY TO 09:12:12 VERIFY AN IDENTITY AND A SOCIAL SECURITY NUMBER TO MAKE SURE 09:12:15 THAT THEY MATCH? WOULDN'T IT BE PRETTY EASY TO 09:12:19 PREVENT THIS KIND OF BLATANT FRAUD? 09:12:22 >> I THINK THAT FEMA, IN USING THE INTERNET SYSTEM, HAD THE 09:12:26 RIGHT IDEA. I THINK IT WAS A GREAT START. 09:12:28 BUT, THE PROBLEM WAS, THAT YOU WENT TWO DIFFERENT PATHS AND 09:12:32 THEY DIDN'T FOLLOW THE SAME PROCESS. 09:12:34 IF YOU -- IF YOU ARE GOING TO DO IT ON THE LEFT YOU SHOULD DO IT 09:12:37 ON THE RIGHT AND THERE IS WHERE THE VULNERABILITY EXISTED. 09:12:40 >> WE TRIED TO GET INTO THE INTERNET, TO THE WEB AND GOT 09:12:44 KICK BACK. SO, WE WENT TO THE PHONE CALLS 09:12:47 AND THE VERY SAME PEOPLE WHO GOT KICK OUT AND THEY DIDN'T KEEP 09:12:50 TRACK OF WHO GOT KICKED OUT EITHER TO MAKE SURE IF THEY 09:12:53 CALLED, THEY'D SAY YOU TRIED AND WE REJECTED YOU ANDIDN'T HAVE 09:12:57 THAT IN PLACE. >> AND WHILE THERE WERE CONTROLS 09:12:59 IF YOU APPLIED VIA THE INTERNET, THOSE SAME CONTROLS DID NOT 09:13:04 EXIST IF YOU CALLED UP AND APPLIED, WHICH IS WHY YOU WERE 09:13:09 SUCCESSFUL WHEN YOU USED THE TELEPHONE APPLICATION PROCESS, 09:13:12 CORRECT. >> CORRECT. 09:13:15 >> WHAT IS STUNNING ABOUT THIS IS, IT IS NOT A VERY 09:13:20 SOPHISTICATED FRAUD TO MAKE UP AN IDEITY AND A SOCIAL 09:13:23 SECURITY NUMBER AND YET, IT WAS SUCCESSFUL. 09:13:26 BUT YOU FIRST TESTIFIED ABOUT DOING THIS BACK IN FEBRUARY, IF 09:13:32 YOU -- IF MEMORY SERVES ME CORRECTLY. 09:13:36 SO THIS RAISES ANOTHER INTERESTING QUESTION. 09:13:39 HAS FEMA TRIED TO RECOUP THIS MONEY? 09:13:43 >> WE HAVEN'T RECEIVED A RECOUPING LETTER. 09:13:46 AND WE HAVE NOT CASHED THE CHECKS. 09:13:48 WHICH IS KIND OF A CLUE THAT MAYBE YOU NEED TO BE LOOKING AT 09:13:52 WHO IS SPENDING THE MONEY. WE ARE PROBABLY THE ONLY PEOPLE 09:13:56 THAT HAVEN'T CASHED THE CHECKS, SO -- 09:13:58 >> THAT I WOULD GUESS. MR. KUNTZ, BASED ON THE -- KUTZ 09:14:07 BASED ON THE REVIEW AND INVESTIGATION YOU HAVE DONE, 09:14:10 WHAT DO YOU THINK THE REAL LIKELIHOOD IS OF FEMA BEING ABLE 09:14:14 TO RECOVER A SUBSTANTIAL AMOUNT OF THE IMPROPER FRAUDULENT 09:14:19 PAYMENT, LET'S SAY -- LET'S SAY 50%. 09:14:23 >> ALMOST ZERO% CHANCE. >> BECAUSE IN MANY CASES AS YOU 09:14:29 HAVE POINTED OUT, IF SOMEONE DELIBERATELY COMMITTED FRAUD 09:14:34 THEY WILL NOT STICK AROUND TO BE CAUGHT. 09:14:38 >> RIGHT. >> RIGHT. 09:14:40 >> BUT SECOND, IF SOMEONE RECEIVED A CHECK AND THOUGHT, 09:14:43 GEE, WHAT GOOD FORTUNE THAT I GOT THIS PAYMENT OR MAYBE I'M 09:14:46 ALLOWED TO CORRECT TWICE BECAUSE IT WAS TWO DIFFERENT HURRICANES, 09:14:49 ISN'T IT VERY LIKELY THAT MONEY IS LONG GONE? 09:14:52 >> YES. AND AGAIN THEY SPENT IT, AGAIN, 09:14:54 LIKE OUR RECENT EXAMPLES OF THE STUDENTS, MANY OF THEM HAD SPENT 09:14:57 THE MONEY ALREADY AND WHAT THEY SPENT IT ON WE DIDN'T FOLLOW UP 09:15:00 ON BUT, YEAH, THEY WERE GOING TO HAVE A HARD TIME PAYING IT BACK 09:15:04 NOW. >> MR. RYAN, I UNDERSTAND THAT 09:15:07 YOU INVESTIGATED THE CASE OF THE CRAB HOUSE WHERE THE 25 09:15:14 TEMPORARY WORKERS RECEIVED OVER $150,000. 09:15:18 IN ASSISTANCE DESPITE THE FACT THAT THEY WERE CLEARLY 09:15:22 INELIGIBLE. SHOULD FEMA HAVE KNOWN THAT THE 09:15:26 WORKERS WERE SHOULD NOT RECEIVE THIS ASSISTANCE? 09:15:30 DID YOU FIND ANY EVIDENCE THAT FEMA HAD DOCUMENTED THAT SHOULD 09:15:35 HAVE RAISED RED FLAGS ABOUT THIS ELIGIBILITY. 09:15:39 >> IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, THE INDIVIDUAL WERE HERE ON WORK 09:15:42 VISAS. THEY WERE WORKING AT THE CRAB 09:15:45 HOUSE, WHEN THE HURRICANE CAME, THE OWNER TOOK THE EMPLOYEES AND 09:15:48 WENT TO NA. WHILE THEY WERE IN FLORIDA THE 09:15:52 OWNER OF THE BUSINESS MADE SURE THEY HAD ALL THEIR WORKING VISAS 09:15:55 TOOK THEM DOWN TO FEMA AND PROVIDED THE VISAS, PROVIDED THE 09:16:00 LOCATION TO THE WORKER TO GO TO, AND THE EVIDENCE THAT THEY WERE 09:16:04 -- HAD A WORKING VISA. AND IT WAS PRESENTED TO FEMA, 09:16:08 SOME OF THE DOCUMENTATION WAS RECORDED IN THE DATABASE. 09:16:11 AND WHEN WE REVIEWED IT, WE FOUND IT. 09:16:20 WHAT I'D LIKE TO BRING OUT IS IN THE APPLICATION PROCESS, THE 09:16:24 QUESTION IS ASKED, ARE YOU A LEGAL ALIEN AND IN THESE 09:16:27 PARTICULAR CASES WITHOUT FURTHER EXPLANATION OR AN UNDERSTANDING 09:16:30 BY THE FEMA EMPLOYEE, THESE PEOPLE WERE LEGAL ALIENS. 09:16:34 AND THEY WERE HERE ON PROPER WORK VISAS. 09:16:38 WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE IS, IS THAT IF YOU ARE GOING TO ASK 09:16:41 THAT QUESTION, YOU NEED TO HAVE EITHER A DROP-DOWN SCREEN OR ASK 09:16:46 THE APPROPRIATE FOLLOW-UP QUESTION, ARE YOU HERE ON A 09:16:48 STUDENT VISA, ARE YOU HERE ON A H1 OR H2-TYPE VISA SO THERE IS A 09:16:54 BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF THE PERSON WHO IS PRESENTING THE 09:16:56 INFORMATION SO THEY CAN DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT THEY 09:16:58 ARE ENTITLED OR NOT ENTITLED. SO, IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, I 09:17:02 WILL SAY THAT THESE 5 PEOPLE WHO GOT MONEY, I CANNOT TELL YOU IF 09:17:08 THEY WERE LEGAL OR NOT LEGAL. I CAN'T TELL YOU IF THE VISAS 09:17:12 WERE VALID OR INVALLEY. I CAN'T TELL YOU IF -- IN VALID, 09:17:17 I CAN'T TELL YOU IF THEY SHOULD HAVE OR SHOULDN'T HAVE GOTTEN 09:17:20 BENEFITS, I WILL TELL YOU, THOUGH, WE REFERRED IT TO THE 09:17:23 TASK FORCE AND BELIEVE THE PEOPLE OUGHT TO BE INTERVIEWED 09:17:25 AND CRIMINAL CASES STARTED AGAINST THEM. 09:17:27 >> AND SOME OF THEM PROVIDED FICTITIOUS INFORMATION AND ARE 09:17:32 SUSPICIOUS FRAUD CASES, THE ONES WITH THE VISAS SCANNED IN TO THE 09:17:36 SYSTEM WERE FROM MEXICO AND THE OTHER ONES, THERE WAS NOTHING IN 09:17:39 THE SYSTEM AND WHEN WE CHECKED THE SOCIAL SECURITY NUMBERS, 09:17:41 THERE WAS A PROBLEM WITH THEM AND SOME HAD NEVER BEEN ISSUED 09:17:45 BEFORE AND SOME OF THESE COULD BE FRAUD CASES. 09:17:47 >> AND I THINK THAT IS AN IMPORTANT POINT, BECAUSE IN SOME 09:17:50 OF THESE CASES, WHAT YOU ARE FINDING IS OUT RIGHT FRAUD. 09:17:56 MANUFACTURED SOCIAL SECURITY NUMBERS. 09:18:01 FALSE IDENTITIES, OTHER INDICATORS OF DELIBERATE FRAUD. 09:18:04 BUT, IN SOME OF THESE CASES, THE INDIVIDUALS, I SUSPECT THE 09:18:09 INTERNATIONAL STUDENT MAY BE EXAMPLES OF THIS, PRESENTED 09:18:15 LEGITIMATE, DOCUMENTICIAN TO FEMA THAT SHOULD HAVE LED FEMA 09:18:21 TO SAY YOU ARE NOT ELIGIBLE FOR ASSISTANCE AND THERE WASN'T 09:18:26 FRAUD ON BEHALF OF THE CLAIMANT IN SOME OF THESE CASES, BUT, 09:18:31 FEMA, THROUGH SLOPPY PROCEDURES, ISSUED CHECKS EVEN THOUGH THEY 09:18:37 HAD INFORMATION THAT SHOULD HAVE LED THEM TO DISQUALIFY THE 09:18:41 INDIVIDUAL. IS THAT FAIR? 09:18:43 >> YES. ANDY FACT RPTS FROM THE FOUR 09:18:45 UNIVERSITIES SAID FEMA REPRESENTATIVES TOLD THE 09:18:48 STUDENTS TO APPLY EVEN KNOWING THEY WEREN'T ELIGIBLE. 09:18:51 AND WE COULDN'T VALIDATE ALL OF THAT BUT CERTAINLY WE HAD 09:18:54 MULTIPLE SOURCES OF EVIDENCE THAT THE FEMA PEOPLE KNEW THESE 09:18:57 PEOPLE WERE NOT ELIGIBLE AND LET THEM APPLY ANY WAY AND 09:19:00 ENCOURAGED THEM TO APPLY AND SO, AGAIN, LIKE YOU SAID IN THE FEMA 09:19:03 SYSTEM THERE APPEARS TO BE VALID STUDENT VISAS IN THE SYSTEM, AN 09:19:07 EVEN RIGHT NEXT TO THAT IS A COPY IN THE SYSTEM OF THE FEMA 09:19:11 FLYER, SAYING, STUDENT, FOREIGN STUDENTS ARE NOT ELIGIBLE. 09:19:15 THEY GOT MONEY ANYWAY. >> THIS SHOWS ME THAT, IN 09:19:19 ADDITION TO HAVING BETTER INTERNAL CONTROLS, THAT ARE 09:19:23 CONSISTENTLY APPLIED, AND NOT SUSPENDED JUST BECAUSE THERE IS' 09:19:28 LARGE VOLUME OF APPLICANT, THAT WE ALSO NEED BETTER TRAINING, 09:19:35 BETTER SYSTEMS FOR ENSURING FEMA WORKERS UNDERSTAND THE 09:19:40 ELIGIBILITY RULES. WHICH WAS SENATOR LIEBERMAN'S 09:19:45 POINT AS WELL. I JUST HAVE ONE FINAL QUESTION 09:19:48 FOR YOU. AND IT HAS TO DO WITH FEMA'S 09:19:53 ATTEMPTS TO RECOUP THIS MONEY. MR. RYAN, YOU MADE A VERY GOOD 09:19:58 POINT THAT FEMA IS NOT A COLLECTION AGENCY. 09:20:02 THIS ISN'T AN AREA WHERE FEMA HAS EXPERTISE AND, CLEARLY, 09:20:07 RESOURCES ARE BEING DIVERTED TO COLLECTING ON THESE CASES AND 09:20:15 FEMA REALLY DOESN'T HAVE THAT AS ITS MISSION. 09:20:18 TO ME, THE LESSON FROM THAT IS YOU'VE GOT TO HAVE GOOD CONTROLS 09:20:22 UP FRONT TO PREVENT THIS FRAUD IN THE FIR PLACE. 09:20:25 BUT WHAT IS YOUR GENERAL ASSESSMENT -- I LIKE TO HEAR 09:20:28 FROM BOTH OF YOU ON THIS ISSUE -- OF FEMA'S SYSTEM FOR 09:20:34 TRIGGERING RECOUPMENT, GOING AFTER OBVIOUSLY IMPROPER OR 09:20:40 FRAUDULENT PAYMENTS? MR. RYAN, WE'LL START WITH YOU. 09:20:46 >> MY EXPERIENCE IS, IS THAT WHEN THE MONEY GETS OUT THE DOOR 09:20:50 IT'S GONE. AND YOU ARE -- YOU ARE CHASING 09:20:53 IT DONE THE STREET, TRYING TO FIND IT. 09:20:54 WE ARE WASTING ALMOST AS MUCH MONEY CHASING IT AS WHAT WE ARE 09:20:59 TRYING TO RECOVER. I CAN'T REALLY GIVE YOU MY 09:21:05 OPINION BECAUSE I REALLY DIDN'T WORK ON THE RECOUPMENT, THE 09:21:08 PROCESS THAT THEY HAVE. BUT I CAN UNTIL THAT BASED ON 09:21:13 TESTIFYING FOUR, FIVE TIMES IN REGARDS TO FEMA, WE ARE REALLY 09:21:19 AT YOUR DIRECTION AND THE COMMITTEE'S DIRECTION AND SOME 09:21:22 OF THE OTHER COMMITTEES IN CONGRESS, LOOK AT WHAT REALLY 09:21:24 FRAUD IS. HOW DOES FRAUD EXIST IN THESE 09:21:27 PROGRAMS? AND IN THE PAST WE WERE TOLD IT 09:21:29 WAS 1%, 2% AND WE ARE IDENTIFYING FROM THE STATISTICAL 09:21:34 SAMPLE 16% FRAUD, IT APPEARS YOU HAVE TO DO A BETTER JOB UP FRONT 09:21:41 BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WILL BE ABLE TO RECOVER THE MONEY IN 09:21:43 THE BACK AND I CAN'T REALLY COMMENT AS TO THE PROCESS THAT 09:21:47 THEY ARE USING FOR RECOUPMENT BECAUSE I HAVEN'T LOOKED AT IT. 09:21:50 MAYBE GREG HAS, AND THE STAFF HAS. 09:21:52 I HAVE NOT. >> NO, WE HAVEN'T SYSTEMATICALLY 09:21:55 LOOKED AT IT BUT THE INTERESTING THING IS THEY'VE CHARACTERIZED 09:21:59 RECOUPMENTS OR THE $290 MILLION AS THE FRAUDULENT RATE AND YOU 09:22:03 KNOW THAT DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE AND THEY TRIED TO COMPARE THAT 09:22:06 TO THE WAY WE DID A RANDOM STATISTICAL SAMPLE OF THE ENTIRE 09:22:09 POPULATION. SO IT ALMOST SEEMED LIKE THEY 09:22:12 DIDN'T REALLY UNDERSTAND WHAT FRAUD, WASTE AND ABUSE IS IN 09:22:14 THAT -- AND THAT WAS A BIT DISCOURAGING BUT BE AGAIN THE 09:22:17 FACT THAT THEY ARE IDENTIFYING HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS 09:22:20 IS NOT A BAD THING IF THEY CAN TRY TO COLLECT IT IT IS GOOD, 09:22:23 BUT IF WE GET BOGGED DOWN IN FEMA DOING DEBT COLLECTION AND 09:22:26 OTHER DISASTER HITS, THAT IS NOT A GOOD THING -- AND ANOTHER 09:22:31 DISASTER HITS, THAT IS NOT A GOOD THING. 09:22:33 >> I GUESS WHAT IS MOST DISTURBING TO ME IS, AS I 09:22:35 MENTIONED IN MY OPENING COMMENTS IS THIS IS MONEY THAT IS 09:22:39 DESPERATELY NEEDED BY THE REAL VICTIMS TO REBUILD DEVASTATED 09:22:46 COMMUNITIES AND TO REBUILD THEIR LIVES. 09:22:49 THE AMERICAN PEOPLE ARE VERY GENEROUS BUT THERE IS A LIMIT TO 09:22:53 THEIR GENEROSITY IF THEY BELIEVE THAT SUBSTANTIAL AMOUNTS OF 09:22:57 MONEY ARE BEING LOST TO WASTE, FRAUD AN ABUSE. 09:23:00 AND THAT IS CLEARLY WHAT HAPPENED IN THIS CASE. 09:23:04 IT IS PARTICULARLY FRUSTRATING TO ME BECAUSE IN 2004 THIS 09:23:11 COMMITTEE HELD OVERSIGHT HEARINGS LOOKING AT WASTE, FRAUD 09:23:16 AN ABUSE IN THE WAKE OF THE FLORIDA HURRICANES AND WE 09:23:20 IDENTIFIED SOME OF THE EXACT SAME PROBLEMS THAT YOU HAVE 09:23:26 TESTIFIED ABOUT TODAY. AT THAT TIME, I REMEMBER TELLING 09:23:32 MICHAEL BROWN THAT HE HAD TO ENSURE THAT CONTROLS WERE IN 09:23:37 PLACE BEFORE THE NEXT MAJOR DISASTER HIT. 09:23:41 REGRETTABLY, HE DID NOT DO SO. AND WHEN A DISASTER OF THE 09:23:47 MAGNITUDE OF KATRINA HIT, THE MAGNITUDE OF THE WASTE, FRAUD 09:23:53 AND ABUSE WAS THAT MUCH GREATER. WE CAN'T WAIT FOR YET ANOTHER 09:23:58 DISASTER TO HIT AND FOR YET ANOTHER ROUND OF INVESTIGATIONS 09:24:03 AN HEARINGS TO SPOTLIGHT, ONCE AGAIN, THE LACK OF BASIC 09:24:12 SAFEGUARD AND INTERNAL CONTROLS THAT ANY AGENCY THAT IS 09:24:16 PROVIDING PUBLIC ASSISTANCE SHOULD HAVE AS A MATTER OF 09:24:20 COURSE. THIS ISN'T ROCKET SCIENCE. 09:24:25 IT ISN'T SOMETHING WHERE IT REQUIRES TECHNOLOGY THAT IS NOT 09:24:28 YET BEEN DEVELOPED. IT IS BASIC VERIFICATION OF 09:24:33 ELIGIBILITY, IDENTITY, ADDRESS, AND DAMAGE. 09:24:39 AND I, FOR ONE, AM GOING TO CONTINUE TO PUSH FEMA AND THE 09:24:45 DEPARTMENT OF HOMELAND SECURITY TO PROVE THAT THEY HAVE THOSE 09:24:49 SYSTEMS IN PLACE. THE FEMA REFORM LEGISLATION THAT 09:24:53 THIS COMMITTEE ADVANCED AND WHICH WAS SIGNED INTO LAW AS 09:24:56 PART OF THE APPROPRIATIONS BILL REQUIRES THE DEVELOPMENT OF 09:25:02 THOSE STANDARDS. IT IS NOT SOMETHING, FRAERK, 09:25:04 THAT WE SHOULD HAVE HAD TO PUT IN LAW TO ENSURE THAT IT WAS 09:25:08 GOING TO HAPPEN. IT IS BASIC MANAGEMENT. 09:25:11 BUT, I HOPE THAT YOU WILL CONTINUE TO WORK WITH US TO 09:25:15 PROBE AND TEST THE SYSTEM TO ENSURE THAT TRUE PROGRESS HAS 09:25:20 BEEN MADE. WE HAVE ASKED THE -- DHS TO 09:25:25 RESPOND TO YOUR TESTIMONY AND TO THESE LATEST FINDINGS AN 09:25:31 RECOMMENDATIONS. THEY ARE STILL WORKING ON THEIR 09:25:34 RESPONSE. AND I LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING 09:25:41 THEIR RESPONSE TO THESE VERY TROUBLING FINDINGS. 09:25:43 WE ALL KNOW LESSONS CAN BE LEARNED AND APPLIED IN THE WAKE 09:25:46 OF A DISASTER. AND WE HAVE SEEN SOME PROGRESS 09:25:53 BEING MADE IN OTHER PARTS OF FEMA AND I REALIZE THERE IS A 09:25:57 LOT OF PROGRESS THAT NEEDS TO BE MADE BUT THE AMERICAN PEOPLE ARE 09:26:00 NOT GOING TO BE WILLING TO KEEP WRITING CHECKS FOR DISASTER 09:26:06 RELIEF AND ASSISTANCE UNLESS THEY ARE ASSURED THAT THE MONEY 09:26:10 IS BEING WISELY SPENT TO BENEFIT THE TRUE VICTIMS AND YOUR WORK 09:26:17 IS VITALLY IMPORTANT IN HELPING US ACHIEVE THAT GOAL. 09:26:21 I VERY MUCH APPRECIATE ALL OF YOUR ASSISTANCE TO THE 09:26:25 COMMITTEE. IT'S BEEN A GREAT PLEASURE TO 09:26:28 WORK WITH YOU. I AM CERTAIN THAT THIS 09:26:31 COMMITTEE'S FIGHT AGAINST WASTEFUL SPENDING WILL CONTINUE 09:26:34 AND I LOOK FORWARD TO WORKING WITH YOU FURTHER. 09:26:38 I ALSO WANT TO THANK MY STAFF FOR THEIR DILIGENT WORK ON THIS 09:26:43 HEARING, AND INDEED, ON ALL OF THE KATRINA INVESTIGATION. 09:26:48 IT WAS THE MOST EXTENSIVE INVESTIGATION EVER UNDERTAKEN BY 09:26:53 THIS COMMITTEE. I BELIEVE THAT THIS IS OUR 25th 09:26:58 KATRINA HEARING AND I THINK WE HAVE LEARNED A LOT. 09:27:02 WE HAVE ISSUED A MAJOR REPORT. WE HAVE ENACTED LEGISLATION BUT 09:27:07 ITS CLEAR THAT CONTINUED OVERSIGHT WILL BE NECESSARY. 09:27:10 SO I WANT TO THANK THE STAFF FOR THEIR GOOD WORK AS WELL. 09:27:13 THE HEARING RECORD WILL REMAIN OPEN FOR 15 DAYS TO RECEIVE 09:27:19 QUESTIONS FOR THE RECORD, OTHER MATERIALS, AND I HOPE DHS'S 09:27:24 WRITTEN FORMAL RESPONSE. THANK YOU AGAIN FOR YOUR GOOD 09:27:27 WORK. THIS HEARING IS NOW ADJOURNED. 09:27:37 [INAUDIBLE CONVERSATIONS] [INAUDIBLE CONVERSATIONS] 09:28:20 [INAUDIBLE CONVERSATIONS] [INAUDIBLE CONVERSATIONS] 09:29:55 >> NEXT ON C-SPAN2 COVERAGE OF THE U.S. SENATE, TODAY'S AGENDA 09:29:59 INCLUDES DEBATE ON THE NOMINATION OF ANDREW VON 09:30:02 EICHENBACH TO BE COMMISSIONER OF THE FOOD AND DRUG ADMINISTRATION 09:30:05 AND VOTES ARE EXPECTED TODAY AND LATER TODAY, 2:30 EASTERN, VICE 09:30:08 PRESIDENT CHENEY WILL ACCOMPANY MAJORITY LEADER BILL FRIST TO 09:30:12 THE FLOOR FOR HIS FAREWELL ADDRESS AND LIVE COVERAGE NOW ON 09:30:16 C-SPAN2. THE PRESIDENT PRO TEMPORE: THE 09:30:21 SENATE WILL COME TO ORDER. THE SENATE WILL BE LED IN PRAYER 09:30:23 BY THE CHAPLAIN OF THE SENATE, DR. BARRY BLACK. 09:30:32 THE CHAPLAIN: LET US PRAY. ETERNAL LORD GOD, OUR STRONG 09:30:40 HOLD IN TIMES OF TROUBLE. BLESS TODAY OUR SENATORS. 09:30:44 LORD, 65 YEARS AGO AMERICA EXPERIENCED A DAY OF INFAMY. 09:30:52 AS WE REMEMBER PEARL HARBOR, OUR HEARTS TURN TOWARD THE MEN AND 09:30:58 WOMEN OF OUR ARMED FORCES AND THEIR FAMILIES. 09:31:06 THANK YOU FOR THEIR INVESTMENT IN FREEDOM AND THEIR SACRIFICES 09:31:11 FOR OUR LIBERTIES. COMFORT THOSE WHO MOURN AND 09:31:18 THOSE WHO BEAR THE SCARS OF BATTLE. 09:31:23 BE A COMPANION TO THOSE WHO MUST STARE AT AN EMPTY CHAIR DURING 09:31:30 THIS HOLIDAY SEASON. DEFEND THOSE IN HARM'S WAY WITH 09:31:37 YOUR HEAVENLY GRACE AND GIVE THEM COURAGE TO FACE PERILS WITH 09:31:44 TRUST INOU. GIVE THEM A SENSE OF YOUR 09:31:50 ABIDING PRESENCE WHEREVER THEY MAY BE. 09:31:56 WE PRAY IN YOUR SOVEREIGN NAME. AMEN. 09:32:06 THE PRESIDENT PRO TEMPORE: PLEASE JOIN ME IN RECITING THE 09:32:08 PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE TO OUR FLAG. 09:32:12 I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF 09:32:15 AMERICA, AND TO THE REPUBLIC, FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION 09:32:17 UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. 09:32:29 UNDER THE PREVIOUS ORDER, THE LEADERSHIP TIME IS RESERVED. 09:32:33 UNDER THE PREVIOUS ORDER, THE SENATE WILL PROCEED TO EXECUTIVE 09:32:35 SESSION FOR CONSIDERATION OF THE NOMINATION OF ANDREW VON 09:32:38 ESCHENBACH WHICH THE CLERK WILL REPORT. 09:32:40 THE CLERK: NOMINATION, DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH AND HUMAN 09:32:45 SERVICES. ANDREW VON ESCHENBACH OF TEXAS 09:32:46 TO BE COMMISSIONER OF FOOD AND DRUGS. 09:32:48 THE PRESIDENT PRO TEMPORE: THE MAJORITY LEADER IS RECOGNIZED. 09:32:53 MR. FRIST: MR. PRESIDENT, THIS MORNING THE SENATE WILL VOTE ON 09:32:55 THE MOTION TO INVOKE CLOTURE ON THE NOMINATION OF THE F.D.A. 09:33:01 COMMISSIONER, ANDREW VON ESCHENBACH. 09:33:02 SENATORS CAN EXPECT TO HAVE THIS VOTE AROUND 10:30 TO 10:45 THIS 09:33:08 MORNING FOLLOWING THE ONE HOUR OF DEBATE. 09:33:10 AS I MENTIONED YESTERDAY MORNING, THIS IS A VERY 09:33:13 IMPORTANT POSITION AND TO HAVE THIS CONFIRMATION FINALLY BEING 09:33:16 ACCOMPLISHED WILL BE A GREAT ACHIEVEMENT FOR TS CONGRESS. 09:33:19 ONCE CLOTURE HAS BEEN INVOKED WE WILL TRY TO SCHEDULE A VOTE ON 09:33:22 THE CONFIRMATION EARLY IN THE IN 09:33:26 THE DAY. THERE ARE SEVERAL CRITICAL ITEMS 09:33:28 THE SENATE MUST ACT ON BEFORE WE ADJOURN SINE DIE. 09:33:32 THEREFORE, SENATORS MUST ADJUST THEIR PLANS TO BE HERE AND 09:33:35 VOTING OVER THE COMING DAYSI WILL I APPRECIATE SENATORS' 09:33:41 WILLINGNESS TO WORK TOGETHER ON A NUMBER OF LEGISLATIVE AND 09:33:44 EXECUTIVE MATTERS. MR. REID: MR. PRESIDENT? 09:33:46 THE PRESIDENT PRO TEMPORE: THE MINORITY LEADER. 09:33:48 MR. REID: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. 09:33:52 ANDREW VON ESCHENBACH, WE'VE CLEARED ON THIS SIDE. 09:33:54 SO AS FAR AS WE'RE CONCERNED, THERE IS NO NEED FOR A CLOTURE 09:33:57 VOTE. WE LOOK FORWARD TO WORKING WITH 09:33:59 THE DISTINGUISHED MAJORITY LEADER TODAY AND MAYBE TOMORROW 09:34:03 AND MAYBE SATURDAY TO TRY TO GET AS MUCH COOPERATION OUT OF 09:34:08 SENATORS AS POSSIBLE. I KNOW THAT THE FINANCE FOLKS 09:34:10 HAVE WORKED LONG AND HARD TO TRY TO COME UP WITH SOMETHING THAT'S 09:34:13 VERY IMPORTANT FOR THE COUNTRY. WE'LL CONTINUE TO MONITOR THAT 09:34:16 AND DO EVERYTHING WE CAN TO MOVE THIS LEGISLATIVE AGENDA FORWARD. 09:34:22 THE PRESIDENT PRO TEMPORE: THE MAJORITY LEADER. 09:34:24 MR. FRIST: MR. PRESIDENT, I'LL BE VERY BRIEF. 09:34:25 I WANT TO SPEAK ON ANOTHER MATTER. 09:34:27 I KNOW WE WANT TO GET TO THE HOUR OF PRE-VOTE TIME HERE 09:34:35 SHORTLY. BUT I DID WANT TO -- AND I'LL 09:34:37 ENTER MY REMARKS IN THE RECORD, MY FORMAL REMARKS. 09:34:41 BUT TOMORROW DOES, HOPEFULLY TOMORROW WILL OFFICIALLY END THE 09:34:46 109th CONGRESS AT THE END OF THE DAY TOMORROW, IF WE DO OUR 09:34:50 WORK TODAY SUCCESSFULLY, AND TONIGHT THE SENATE WILL BE ABLE 09:34:56 TO ADJOURN. THAT WILL ALSO MARK THE OFFICIAL 09:34:59 CHANGE IN LEADERSHIP AND A CHANGE IN THE SENATE AGENDA. 09:35:03 I KNOW MANY OF MY COLLEAGUES AND MANY OF OUR MY CONSERVATIVE 09:35:08 ALLIES WITH A BIT OF TREPIDATION. 09:35:10 BUT CHANGE IS GOOD. CHANGE IS CONSTRUCTIVE. 09:35:16 IT CAN BE DIFFICULT, MESSY. BUT CHANGE FORCES US ALL TO 09:35:21 REEXAMINE WHO WE ARE, WHERE WE ARE AND WHERE WE WANT TO GO, 09:35:24 WHAT WE KNOW, WHAT WE BELIEVE. I BELIEVE IT IS OUR 09:35:26 RESPONSIBILITY TO PROTECT TRADITIONAL COMMON-SENSE 09:35:29 AMERICAN VALUES. I BELIEVE THAT WHEN WE GIVE THE 09:35:32 AMERICAN PEOPLE THE FREEDOM TO INVEST THEIR MONEY AS THEY 09:35:35 CHOOSE, THE ECONOMY IS GOING TO FLOURISH, IT IS GOING TO HAVE 09:35:39 MORE FREEDOM TO GROW. AT THE END OF THE DAY I BELIEVE 09:35:41 THAT GOOD LEADERS DON'T TALK ABOUT PRINCIPLES. 09:35:43 THEY DON'T TALK ABOUT THEM, BUT GOOD LEADERS LEAD ON PRINCIPLE. 09:35:47 AND THEY ACT, AND THEY ACT WITH SOLUTIONS. 09:35:50 EVEN IF THEY DON'T KNOW THAT THE OUTCOME IS GOING TO BE 100% 09:35:54 SUCCESSFUL EVERY TIME YOU TAKE A BILL TO THE FLOOR. 09:35:56 I THINK THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT AT LEAST I'VE TRIED TO DO, 09:36:02 IS NOT SAY LET'S JUST TAKE TO THE FLOOR WHAT WILL NECESSARILY 09:36:05 PASS, BUT WHAT IS THE RIGHT THING TO DO, ON PRINCIPLE. 09:36:09 WHAT IS THE RIGHT THING FOR US TO BE CONSIDERING. 09:36:12 DURING MY TENURE IN PUBLIC OFFICE, THAT'S WHAT I'VE TRIED 09:36:15 TO DO. THAT IS LEAD ON PRINCIPLE AND TO 09:36:20 ACT WITH SOLUTIONS. IT DOES COME WITH THAT SURGICAL 09:36:23 APPROACH OF FIXING THINGS, OF OPERATING, OF ACTION. 09:36:26 A COUPLE OF EXAMPLES IN TERMS OF LEADING ON PRINCIPLE, THE 09:36:31 INTERNATIONAL GAMBLING PROHIBITION ENFORCEMENT ACT, THE 09:36:35 ADAM WALSH CHILD PROTECTION AND SAFETY ACT LEGISLATION, 09:36:41 PROTECTING THE MOUNT SOLEDAD CROSS. 09:36:46 AND PERHAPS MOST NOTABLY WE CONFIRMED TWO SUPREME COURT 09:36:49 JUSTICES, 18 CIRCUIT COURT NOMINEES, 80 DISTRICT COURT 09:36:55 JUDGES. AMERICA NEEDS JUDGES WHO ARE 09:36:56 BALANCED, WHO ARE FAIR, WHO ARE INDEPENDENT, WHO ARE UNBIASED, 09:37:00 WHO ARE COMMITTED TO EQUAL JUSTICE UNDER THE LAW. 09:37:02 AND WE MAKE SURE THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT AMERICA HAS GOTTEN. 09:37:05 OVER THE PAST 12 YEARS, WHAT REPUBLICANS HAVE DONE IS CHANGED 09:37:08 OUR ECONOMY. IT HAS CHANGED OUR COUNTRY AND 09:37:11 CHANGED OUR WAY OF LIFE FOR THE BETTER. 09:37:14 OUR RECORD OF SUCCESS COMBINED WITH THE LESSONS THAT WE ALL 09:37:18 LEARNED IN NOVEMBER'S ELECTIONS ENSURES THAT OUR PARTY WILL 09:37:22 REDEDICATE ITSELF TO SERVING THE INTEREST OF AMERICA BOTH HERE AT 09:37:27 HOME AS WELL AS AROUND THE WORLD. 09:37:30 THAT VISION WHICH IS OPTIMISTIC, WHICH IS FORWARD-LOOKING, WHICH 09:37:34 IS HOPEFUL, IS GROUNDED IN THE FUNDAMENTALS OF COMMON-SENSE 09:37:38 CONSERVATIVE VALUES BEST FOUND ON MAIN STREET AND IN FAMILIES 09:37:42 THAT WE HAVE THE PRIVILEGE OF INTERACTING WITH ALL ACROSS THIS 09:37:45 COUNTRY. MR. PRESIDENT, I HAVE A FORMAL 09:37:49 STATEMENT THAT I WOULD AT THIS POINT LIKE TO HAVE ENTERED BY 09:37:54 UNANIMOUS CONSENT INTO THE RECORD AS IF READ. 09:37:55 THE PRESIDENT PRO TEMPORE: WITHOUT OBJECTION, SO ORDERED. 09:37:58 UNDER THE PREVIOUS ORDER, THERE WILL BE 60 MINUTES FOR DEBATE 09:38:00 PRIOR TO CLOTURE VOTE WITH THE TIME DIVIDED AS FOLLOWS: THE 09:38:04 SENATOR FROM WYOMING, MR. ENZI OR HIS DESIGNEE, 30 MINUTES. 09:38:10 THE SENATOR FROM IOWA, MR. GRASSLEY, 20 MINUTES. 09:38:13 THE SENATOR FROM LOUISIANA, MR. VITTER, 10 MINUTES. 09:38:16 WHO YIELDS TIME WHO YIELDS TIME? THE SENATOR FROM WYOMING. 09:38:28 MR. ENZI: MR. PRESIDENT, THANK YOU. 09:38:30 I RISE TO DISCUSS THE PENDING NOMINATION OF DR. ANDREW VON 09:38:34 ESCHENBACH TO BE THE COMMISSIONER OF FOOD AND DRUGS. 09:38:36 THE F.D.A. HAS A VERY BROAD AND CRITICAL MISSION IN PROTECTING 09:38:39 OUR PUBLIC HEALTH. THE COMMISSIONER OF FOOD AND 09:38:42 DRUGS IS IN CHARGE OF AN AGENCY THAT REGULATES $1 TRILLION WORTH 09:38:49 OF PRODUCTS A YEAR. THE F.D.A. ENSURES THE SAFETY 09:38:52 AND EFFECTIVENESS OF ALL DRUGS, BIOLOGICAL PRODUCTS SUCH AS 09:38:58 VACCINES, MEDICAL DEVICES AND ANIMAL DRUGS AND FEED. 09:39:01 LET ME REPEAT THAT AGAIN. THE SAFETY AND EFFECTIVENESS OF 09:39:05 ALL DRUGS, BIOLOGICAL PRODUCTS SUCH AS VACCINES, MEDICAL 09:39:10 DEVICES, ANIMAL DRUGS AND FEED. IT ALSO OVERSEES THE SAFETY OF A 09:39:16 VAST VARIETY OF FOOD PRODUCTS AS WELL AS MEDICAL AND CONSUMER 09:39:20 PRODUCTS, INCLUDING COSMETICS. AS COMMISSIONER OF FOOD AND 09:39:25 DRUGS, DR. VON ESCHENBACH WILL BE RESPONSIBLE FOR ADVANCING THE 09:39:29 PUBLIC HEALTH BY HELPING TO SPEED INNOVATIONS IN ITS MISSION 09:39:32 AREAS AND BY HELPING THE PUBLIC GET ACCURATE, SCIENCE-BASED 09:39:35 INFORMATION ON MEDICINES AND FOODS. 09:39:38 DR. VON ESCHENBACH HAS A STRONG RECORD. 09:39:39 HE'S AN ACCOMPLISHED SCIENTIST, A PROVEN MANAGER AND A MAN WITH 09:39:44 A VISION. HE'S ALSO A CANCER SURVIVOR AND 09:39:47 HE'S BROUGHT THAT PER -- PERSPECTIVE AND THE PASSION THAT 09:39:53 GOES WITH IT TO HIS GOVERNMENT SERVICES. 09:39:56 HE GAVE UP A JOB HE LOVED, DIRECTING THE NATIONAL CANCER 09:40:00 INSTITUTE, TO OFFER HIS SERVICE, WHAT I BELIEVE IS A MUCH MORE 09:40:03 CHALLENGING AND DEFINITELY THANKLESS JOB OF LEADING THE 09:40:06 F.D.A. THE F.D.A. HAS BEEN WITHOUT A 09:40:09 CONFIRMED COMMISSIONER FOR ALL BUT 18 MONTHS OF THE LAST FIVE 09:40:13 AND A HALF YEARS. EVER SEE A BUSINESS THAT COULD 09:40:16 RUN FOR FIVE AND A HALF YEARS WITHOUT HAVING A BOSS EXCEPT FOR 09:40:20 18 MONTHS? AND THAT WAS A TENUOUS 18 09:40:24 MONTHS. I THINK WE CAN ALL AGREE THAT WE 09:40:26 NEED A STRONG LEADER AT THE F.D.A. NOW AND ONE WHO HAS A 09:40:30 MANDATE TO ACT. HE NEEDS FULL AUTHORITY TO BRING 09:40:32 BACK THE MORALE OF THE DEPARTMENT AND TO GET THE JOB 09:40:36 DONE. WE MUST BE FORWARD-LOOKING. 09:40:39 THERE ARE MANY ITEMS BEFORE THE F.D.A. THAT REQUIRE THE 09:40:42 IMMEDIATE ATTENTION OF THE F.D.A. COMMISSIONER VESTED WITH 09:40:49 FULL AUTHORITY. BUT THAT AUTHORITY FLOWS 09:40:51 DIRECTLY FROM THE ACT OF SENATE CONFIRMATION. 09:40:53 WITHOUT A SENATE-CONFIRMED LEADER, WE CAN'T EXPECT THE 09:40:56 F.D.A. TO BE AS EFFECTIVE AS WE NEED IT TO BE. 09:40:59 I URGE MY COLLEAGUES TO CONSIDER THIS. 09:41:01 I KNOW THAT SOME OF MY COLLEAGUES ON AND OFF THE 09:41:03 COMMITTEE ARE NOT COMPLETELY SATISFIED WITH THEIR 09:41:06 INTERACTIONS WITH THE F.D.A. DURING DR. VON ESCHENBACH'S 09:41:11 TENURE. SOME WOULD URGE THAT THE F.D.A. 09:41:12 MOVE QUICKLY ON CERTAIN MATTERS BEFORE IT. 09:41:14 HOWEVER, I'M NOT SURE THAT HOLDING UP A NOMINATION OVER 09:41:17 SINGLE PRODUCTS OR SINGLE ISSUES IS THE RIGHT WAY TO ACHIEVE 09:41:20 FASTER ACTION. AND TO ENSURE THAT AGENCY 09:41:22 PROCESSES ARE FREE FROM THE PRESSURE OF POLITICS. 09:41:25 IN FACT, I STRONGLY BELIEVE THAT THE OPPOSITE WOULD OCCUR. 09:41:28 I THINK THIS IS A POSITION THAT HAS MORE CATCH-22'S THAN ANY 09:41:32 OTHER POSITION IN GOVERNMENT. I DO RESPECT THE RIGHT OF MY 09:41:36 COLLEAGUES TO DISAGREE WITH THE PRESIDENT'S CHOICE FOR THIS 09:41:38 POSITION OR THE POLICIES THAT A PRESIDENT'S NOMINEE MIGHT 09:41:42 PURSUE. IF OUR DISAGREEMENTS WITH THE 09:41:44 PRESIDENT'S CHOICE ARE SO STRONG, WE OUGHT TO VOTE AGAINST 09:41:48 THE NOMINEE. BUT IN LIGHT OF THE $1 TRILLION 09:41:52 WORTH OF DRUGS AND PRODUCTS OVERSEEN BY THE F.D.A. AND 09:41:55 HUNDREDS OF DRUG APPROVALS REVIEWED EVERY YEAR, I THINK WE 09:41:58 WOULD BE SETTING A DANGEROUS PRECEDENT IF ANY OF US HOLD UP 09:42:03 THE PRESIDENT'S CHOICE FOR F.D.A. COMMISSIONER OVER 09:42:07 DECISIONS MADE SROFPG ONE PRODUCT OR ONE ISSUE OR 09:42:11 SOMETHING EXTRANEOUS EVEN TO THE FOOD AND DRUG ADMINISTRATION. 09:42:15 IT WOULD BE AN ESPECIALLY DANGEROUS PRECEDENT AT THIS 09:42:17 POINT. WE HAVE A LOT ON OUR PLATE WITH 09:42:19 RESPECT TO THE F.D.A. DURING THE 110th CONGRESS. 09:42:22 WE HAVE TO REAUTHORIZE BOTH THE DRUG AND DEVICE USER FEE 09:42:26 PROGRAMS, ADDRESSING TWO EXPIRING PEDIATRIC PROGRAMS AND 09:42:30 IMPROVE OUR DRUG SAFETY SYSTEM. THE F.D.A. NEEDS A LEADER WITH 09:42:32 THE BACKING AND THE MANDATE THAT SENATE CONFIRMATION PROVIDES IN 09:42:36 ORDER TO BE OUR PARTNER IN THESE EFFORTS. 09:42:40 DR. VON ESCHENBACH RECEIVED SIGNIFICANT SUPPORT FROM THE 09:42:42 "HELP" COMMITTEE. THIS MAN COULD SERVE PATIENTS IN 09:42:45 MANY DIFFERENT WAYS AND HAS OFFERED TO SERVE THEM BY RUNNING 09:42:48 THIS CRITICALLY IMPORTANT AGENCY. 09:42:51 I'M TALKING ABOUT A DOCTOR WITH CANCER EXPERTISE, MANAGEMENT 09:42:57 EXPERTISE, VISION WHO HAS AGREED -- WHO HAS AGREED -- TO RUN THIS 09:43:00 AGENCY AT WHAT WE PAY BECAUSE HE WANTS TO GIVE BACK TO HIS 09:43:04 COUNTRY. I URGE MY COLLEAGUES WHO ARE NOT 09:43:06 ON OUR COMMITTEE TO GIVE DR. VON ESCHENBACH A CHANCE TO 09:43:09 EFFECTIVELY RUN THE F.D.A. WITH FULL STATUTORY AUTHORITY. 09:43:12 SO I URGE MY COLLEAGUES TO ACCEPT THE PRESIDENT'S NOMINEE, 09:43:17 DR. ANDREW VON ESCHENBACH AND TO VOTE TO CONFIRM HIM AS THE NEXT 09:43:20 COMMISSIONER OF FOOD AND DRUGS. VOTING "YES" ON THIS CLOTURE 09:43:24 VOTE WILL BE THE FIRST STEP IN MOVING TOWARDS A PERMANENT HEAD 09:43:27 TO OVERSEE THE SAFETY OF OUR NATION'S FOOD AND DRUG SYSTEM. 09:43:30 I WOULD YIELD THE FLOOR. THE PRESIDENT PRO TEMPORE: THE 09:43:33 SENATOR RESERVES THE BALANCE OF HIS TIME? 09:43:35 MR. ENZI: I WOULD RESERVE THE BALANCE OF MY TIME. 09:43:38 THE PRESIDENT PRO TEMPORE: THE SENATOR FROM A EU A EUFPLT. 09:43:40 MR. GRASSLEY: YES. MY OPPOSITION TO CLOTURE MOTION 09:43:46 IS AS MUCH ABOUT WHETHER WE'RE GOING TO FULFILL OUR 09:43:50 RESPONSIBILITIES OVER THE LEGISLATIVE BRANCH OF GOVERNMENT 09:43:52 AS IT IS ABOUT THE PARTICULAR QUALIFICATIONS OF THE NOMINEE. 09:43:55 I INTEND TO VOTE AGAINST CLOTURE. 09:43:58 AND I WOULD HOPE THAT DEMOCRATS WHO ARE LISTENING, PARTICULARLY 09:44:00 THOSE DEMOCRATS IN THE LAST ELECTION WHO ARE BELLY ACHING 09:44:05 BECAUSE THERE WASN'T ENOUGH OVERSIGHT ON THE PART OF 09:44:08 REPUBLICANS TOWARDS THE EXECUTIVE BRANCH OF GOVERNMENT 09:44:11 WOULD PAY ATTENTION TO THE FACT THAT THIS NOMINEE HAS SOMETHING 09:44:16 TO DO WITH, AND IS AN ILLUSTRATION OF THE LACK OF 09:44:21 COOPERATION ON THE PART OF THE EXECUTIVE BRANCH TO COOPERATE 09:44:25 WITH CONGRESS ON THE ISSUE OF CONGRESSIONAL OVERSIGHT. 09:44:29 I HAVE SERIOUS CONCERNS ABOUT WHAT THIS CLOTURE VOTE MEANS 09:44:32 THEN TO CONGRESSIONAL OVERSIGHT OF THE EXECUTIVE BRANCH NOW AND 09:44:36 IN THE FUTURE AND WHAT IT MEANS FOR MEMBERS LIKE ME WHO PLACED A 09:44:44 HOLD ON THIS NOMINEE, AND THIS WAS NOT A SECRET HOLD. 09:44:48 I MADE THIS HOLD PUBLIC. I'M VOTING AGAINST CLOTURE AND 09:44:52 ASK MY COLLEAGUES TO JOIN ME BECAUSE I BELIEVE WE NEED TO 09:44:54 SEND A MESSAGE TO THE EXECUTIVE BRANCH THAT IT'S NOT OKAY TO 09:45:00 IMPEDE CONGRESSIONAL INVESTIGATIONS. 09:45:01 IT'S NOT OKAY TO LIMIT THE SENATE'S ACCESS TO DOCUMENTS, 09:45:07 INFORMATION, AND EMPLOYEES OF THE EXECUTIVE BRANCH. 09:45:11 IN HIS BOOK ON CONGRESSIONAL GOVERNMENT WOODROW WILSON, 09:45:16 BEFORE HE WAS PRESIDENT, WHEN HE WAS A PROFESSOR AT PRINCETON, 09:45:19 WROTE IN 1885, "QUITE AS IMPORTANT AS LAW-MAKING IS 09:45:28 VIGILANT OVERSIGHT OF THE ADMINISTRATION." 09:45:31 OUR WORK AS LAWMAKERS DOES NOT END WITH THE PASSAGE OF A BILL. 09:45:36 THIS BODY HAS A RESPONSIBILITY TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE TO MAKE 09:45:40 SURE THAT LAWS WORK AND THEY'RE BEING IMPLEMENTED EFFECTIVELY, 09:45:45 EFFICIENTLY, ECONOMICALLY. CONGRESSIONAL OVERSIGHT SERVES 09:45:51 VERY IMPORTANT GOALS AND WE SHOULD NOT LOSE SIGHT. 09:45:54 THEY INCLUDE REVIEWING ACTIONS TAKEN AND REGULATIONS ADOPTED BY 09:45:58 THE EXECUTIVE AGENCIES TO MAKE SURE THAT THE AGENCIES ARE 09:46:03 EXECUTING LAW ACCORDING TO INTENT OF CONGRESS. 09:46:07 SECOND, ENSURING THAT THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT IS NOT 09:46:08 WASTING TAXPAYERS' DOLLARS. OVERSIGHT WORK ALLOWS US TO 09:46:14 EVALUATE THE ABILITY OF AGENCIES AND MANAGERS TO CARRY OUT 09:46:19 PROGRAM OBJTIVES AND IMPROVE THE EFFICIENCY, EFFECTIVENESS 09:46:24 AND ECONOMY OF GOVERNMENT PROGRAMS. 09:46:28 NEXT, ENSURING THAT EXECUTIVE POLICIES REFLECT THE PUBLIC 09:46:33 INTEREST. THAT PUBLIC INTEREST IS 09:46:37 EXPRESSED IN LAWS OF CONGRESS. AND LASTLY, PROTECTING THE 09:46:40 RIGHTS AND LIBERTIES OF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE. 09:46:42 WOODROW WILSON ALSO SAID IN HIS BOOK -- QUOTE -- "IT IS THE 09:46:45 PROPER DUTY OF A REPRESENTATIVE BODY TO LOOK DILIGENTLY INTO 09:46:50 EVERY AFFAIR OF GOVERNMENT AND TO TALK MUCH ABOUT WHAT IT SEES. 09:46:55 IT IS MEANT TO BE THE EYES, THE VOICE, AND EMBODY THE WISDOM AND 09:46:59 THE WILL OF ITS CONSTITUENTS." IN AMERICA, WITH OUR GOVERNMENT, 09:47:05 THE PUBLIC'S BUSINESS OUGHT TO BE PUBLIC. 09:47:07 BUT WHEN YOU HAVE COVERUPS AND THE LACK OFNFORMATION GOING TO 09:47:12 CONGRESS, AS DEMONSTRATED BY THIS REQUEST FOR DOCUMENTS -- 09:47:18 AND WE GET A PAGE BACK FROM THE AGENCY WITH 57 PAGES REMOVED. 09:47:22 NOW, WHAT'S IN THOSE 57 PAGES THAT WE OUGHT TO HAVE ACCESS TO? 09:47:27 AS JUST ONE EXAMPLE OF LACK OF INFORMATION AND LACK OF 09:47:33 COOPERATION FROM THIS AGENCY. THROUGHOUT HISTORY, CONGRESS HAS 09:47:38 ENGAGED IN OVERSIGHT OF THE EXECUTIVE BRANCH, THE RIGHT TO 09:47:44 CONGRESSIONAL OVERSIGHT HAS BEEN ASSERTED FROM EARLIEST DAYS OF 09:47:46 OUR REPUBLIC. 1792 HOUSE INVOKED ITS AUTHORITY 09:47:54 TO CONDUCT OVERSIGHT WHEN IT APPOINTED A COMMITTEE TO 09:47:56 INVESTIGATE THE DEFEAT OF GENERAL SAINT CLAIRE AND HIS 09:47:58 ARMY BY INDIANS IN THE NORTHWEST AND EMPOWERED -- QUOTE -- "CALL 09:48:03 FOR SUCH PERSONS, PAPERS AND RECORDS AS MAY BE NECESSARY FOR 09:48:08 THAT INQUIRY." IN FACT, THE CONSTITUTION GRANTS 09:48:13 CONGRESS EXPENSIVE -- EXTENSIVE AUTHORITY TO OVERSEE AND 09:48:17 INVESTIGATE EXECUTIVE BRANCH ACTIVITIES. 09:48:21 CONGRESSIONAL OVERSIGHT WAS ALSO RECOGNIZED EXPLICITLY IN THE 09:48:24 PASSAGE OF THE LEGISLATIVE REORGANIZATION ACT OF 1946, 09:48:29 WHICH REQUIRED THE STANDING COMMITTEES OF CONGRESS TO 09:48:32 EXERCISE -- QUOTE -- "CONTINUOUS WATCHFULNESS" OVER PROGRAMS AND 09:48:38 AGENCIES IN THEIR JURISDICTION. NUMEROUS SUPREME COURT DECISIONS 09:48:43 WILL SUPPORT ALL THE PRECEDENCE FOR CONGRESS TO SEE ALL ASPECTS 09:48:47 OF THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT. IN 1927, McBRAIN Vs. 09:48:53 DOEHERTY. THE SUPREME COURT UPHELD 09:48:55 CONGRESSIONAL AUTHORITY TO CONDUCT OVERSIGHT TEAPOT DOME 09:49:01 SCANDAL. JUSTICE VANDERVANNER WRITING FOR 09:49:03 THE UNANIMOUS COURT -- QUOTE -- "WE ARE 09:49:05 OF THE OPINION THAT THE POWER OF INQUIRY WITH THE 09:49:10 PROCESS TO ENFORCE IT IS AN ESSENTIAL AND APPROPRIATE 09:49:14 AUXILIARY TO THE LEGISLATIVE FUNCTION." 09:49:17 TO DO OVERSIGHT, CONGRESS NEEDS ACCESS TO INFORMATION AND PEOPLE 09:49:20 IN THE EXECUTIVE BRANCH AND THAT IS WHAT I DID -- THAT IS WHAT I 09:49:25 DID NOT AND STILL AM NOT GETTING FROM THE F.D.A. UNDER THE 09:49:30 LEADERSHIP OF DR. VON ESCHENBACH, AS AN EXAMPLE. 09:49:34 47 PAGES REMOVED. ANOTHER EXAMPLE. 09:49:40 43 PAGES REMOVED. NOW, HOW ARE YOU GOING TO 09:49:42 CONDUCT OVERSIGHT WHEN YOU GET ANSWERS LIKE THAT FROM THE FOOD 09:49:47 AND DRUG ADMINISTRATION? SO I TAKE EXCEPTION TO THE 09:49:51 STATEMENT MADE IN SUPPORT OF THE CLOTURE MOTION. 09:49:55 PEOPLE OUGHT TO BESHAMED OF SAYING DR. ANDREW VON ESCHENBACH 09:50:00 HAS DONE A SUPERB JOB IN THE POSITION HE IS CURRENTLY 09:50:05 OCCUPYING. WITH AN ANSWER LIKE THAT TO THE 09:50:06 CONGRESS OF THE UNITED STATES, THAT'S AN INSULT. 09:50:10 BEFORE YOU CAST YOUR VOTE IN FAVOR OF CLOTURE, CONSIDER 09:50:15 WHAT'S AT STAKE HERE, AND PARTICULARLY PEOPLE ON THE OTHER 09:50:18 SIDE OF THE AISLE WHO DURING THE CAMPAIGN, IN CAMPAIGN COMMERCIAL 09:50:22 AFTER CAMPAIGN COMMERCIAL AFTER CAMPAIGN COMMERCIAL SAID 09:50:26 CONGRESS IS NOT DOING ITS JOB OF OVERSIGHT, IMPLYING THAT 09:50:29 REPUBLICANS WERE COVERING UP WRONGDOING BY THE 09:50:36 ADMINISTRATION. IF YOU WANT TO PRESERVE YOUR 09:50:39 ACCESS TO INFORMATION TO DO THE OVERSIGHT THAT YOU THINK YOU'RE 09:50:42 GOING TO DO WHEN YOU'RE IN THE MAJORITY AND YOU GET ANSWERS 09:50:45 LIKE THAT BACK, YOU THINK YOU'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO DO THE JOB 09:50:50 OF OVERSIGHT THAT YOU'RE DOING. MY INTERACTIONS WITH THE 09:50:57 DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH AND HUMAN SERVICES AND THE F.D.A. THESE 09:50:59 LAST EIGHT MONTHS, I'VE SEEN A COMPLETE AND UTTER DISRESPECT 09:51:04 FOR CONGRESSIONAL AUTHORITY AND, HENCE, THE LAW. 09:51:08 THE DEPARTMENT AND THE FOOD AND DRUG ADMINISTRATION HAS 09:51:10 REPEATEDLY FAILED TO ACT IN GOOD FAITH IN RESPONDING TO 09:51:14 CONGRESSIONAL INVESTIGATIONS, AND THE LACK OF 43 PAGES IS JUST 09:51:19 ONE EXAMPLE. THIS DIRECTOR'S LEADERSHIP UNDER 09:51:29 IT AT THE F.D.A. HAS FAILED TO FULLY COMPLY WITH TWO 09:51:32 CONGRESSIONAL SUBPOAS THAT WERE ISSUED SEVEN MONTHS AGO. 09:51:37 EFFORTS TO ACCOMMODATE THE AGENCY'S CONCERNS FALL ON DEAF 09:51:39 EARS AND I WONDER IF I'M DEALING WITH DYSFUNCTION BY DESIGN. 09:51:45 NOT ONLY HAS THE F.D.A. WITHHELD DOCUMENTS THAT DO NOT APPEAR TO 09:51:49 BE PRIVILEGED, BUT IT ALSO SAYS WHAT HAS BEEN WITHHELD AND WHY. 09:51:55 THE SUBPOENA COMPEL A PRIVILEGED LAW BUT THE F.D.A. HAS NOT 09:51:59 PROVIDED US WITH THAT PRIVILEGED LOG. 09:52:04 SO FOR DEMOCRATS IN THE MAJORITY NEXT YEAR DOING THE OVERSIGHT 09:52:10 THAT THEY SAID THAT THEY WERE GOING TO DO BECAUSE REPUBLICANS 09:52:16 WEREN'T DOING IT, THEN LET ME ASK YOU THIS. 09:52:18 ARE YOU GOING TO BE ABLE TO CONDUCT OVERSIGHT WHEN YOU GET 09:52:22 ANSWERS LIKE THAT? ARE YOU GOING TO BE ABLE TO 09:52:24 CONDUCT OVERSIGHT WHEN FOR SEVEN MONTHS YOU DON'T GET YOUR 09:52:27 SUBPOENAS RESPONDED TO? SO WHAT IS THE AGENCY'S 09:52:33 EXPLANATION? THE F.D.A. HAS THAT SAID SO MANY 09:52:35 DOCUMENTS HAVE WITHHELD THAT IT IS UNDULY BURDENSOME TO PROVIDE 09:52:40 A PRIVILEGED LAW. EVEN IN THE F.D.A. GENERAL 09:52:46 COUNSEL AS RECENTLY AS TUESDAY OF THIS WEEK COULD NOT SEE WHY 09:52:49 THE AGENCY NEEDED TO COMPLY WITH THE LAW AND THE TERMS OF THE 09:52:54 SUBPOENA ISSUED BY THE COMMITTEE. 09:52:56 IN DENYING THE COMMITTEE ACCESS TO THE DOCUMENTS RESPONSIVE TO 09:53:00 THE SUBPOENA, THE DEPARTMENT AND THE FOOD AND DRUG ADMINISTRATION 09:53:05 HAVE CLAIMED -- QUOTE -- "PROSECUTORIAL DELIBERATIVE 09:53:11 PROCESS" OR "CONFIDENTIAL COMMUNICATIONS" OR "AGENCY 09:53:14 PREROGATIVE TO DETERMINE WHO WILL BE INTERVIEWED AND TESTIFY 09:53:21 BEFORE A JURISDICTIONAL COMMITTEE." 09:53:23 NOW, WHEN YOU GET ANSWERS LIKE THAT, YOU ON THE OTHER SIDE OF 09:53:26 THE AISLE WHEN YOU'RE GOING TO BE IN THE MAJORITY, WHAT ARE YOU 09:53:29 GOING TO DO ABOUT IT? ARE YOU GOING TO KEEP YOUR 09:53:31 COMMITMENT TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE WHEN YOU WON THE 09:53:34 MAJORITY, AND ARE YOU GOING TO BE ABLE TO DO THE OVERSIGHT WHEN 09:53:36 YOU GET RATIONALES LIKE "PROSECUTORIAL DELIBERATIVE 09:53:41 PROCESS" "CONFIDENTIAL COMMUNICATION," "AGENCY 09:53:46 PREROGATIVE?" I COULD NOT TALK TO A LINE AGENT 09:53:49 NAMED "WES" BECAUSE YOU CAN'T TALK TO LINE AGENTS, WHEN THREE 09:53:54 MONTHS BEFORE I TALKED TO LINE AGENTS. 09:53:57 BEFORE THE JUDICIARY COMMITTEE, THERE WAS SOMEBODY THERE FROM 09:53:59 THE JUDICIARY -- FROM THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT WHEN SENATOR 09:54:03 KENNEDY SAID, I WANT ACCESS TO LINE AGENTS, UNRELATED TO WHAT 09:54:07 I'M TALKING ABOUT HERE, BECAUSE LINE AGENT WES THAT I WANTED TO 09:54:11 TALK TO, I WAS TOLD I COULDN'T TALK TO BECAUSE YOU CAN'T TALK 09:54:15 TO LINE AGENTS. THE OFFICIAL AT THE JUSTICE 09:54:17 DEPARTMENT SAID TO SENATOR KENNEDY, YOU CAN TALK TO LINE 09:54:20 AGENTS, WE'LL GET THEM FOR YOU. NOW, I DON'T KNOW WHETHER THAT 09:54:25 EVER HAPPENED OR NOT BUT THAT'S THE ANSWER HE GOT. 09:54:27 SO WHEN I GOT AROUND TO DOING MY QUESTIONING OF THAT JUSTICE 09:54:31 DEPARTMENT OFFICIAL, I SAID, WELL, WHAT ABOUT MY ABILITY TO 09:54:34 TALK TO LINE AGENT WES? WELL, IT JUST SEEMED LIKE I WAS 09:54:37 GOING TO BE ABLE TO TALK TO LINE AGENT WES. 09:54:39 BUT YET THIS VERY DAY, THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT IS ADVISING 09:54:45 THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR THAT WE CAN'T TALK TO LINE AGENT 09:54:49 WES, WHICH IS KEY TO WHETHER OR NOT SOME OF THESE INVESTIGATIONS 09:54:53 ARE ALLOWING DANGEROUS DRUGS ON THE MARKET. 09:54:58 AND IN CEDAR RAPIDS, IOWA, I HAVE A FAMILY THAT LOST AN 09:55:02 18-YEAR-OLD BECAUSE OF A DRUG THAT WAS ON THE MARKET -- NOT ON 09:55:07 THE MARKET NOW. THAT WAS ON THE MARKET THEN. 09:55:11 IT SEEMS TO ME IF YOU'RE CONCERNED ABOUT THE SAFETY OF 09:55:13 DRUGS, THIS INFORMATION IS IMPORTANT. 09:55:17 AND IF YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE IT COVERED UP IN THE F.D.A., THAT 09:55:23 YOU AREN'T PROTECTING THE PUBLIC. 09:55:25 AND IF CONGRESSMEN KNOW ABOUT IT, YOU AREN'T DOING YOUR JOB OF 09:55:28 OVERSIGHT. THIS PAST SUMMER, I ASKED THE 09:55:35 CONGRESSIONAL RESEARCH SERVICE TO LOOK INTO THE DEPARTMENT'S 09:55:38 POLICIES REGARDING THIS MATTER, AND C.R.S. TOLD ME THAT THERE IS 09:55:42 -- QUOTE -- "NO LEGAL BASIS" FOR THE DEPARTMENT'S EXECUTIVE 09:55:47 BRANCH ASSERTIONS. THE LEGAL ANALYSIS PROVIDED BY 09:55:51 C.R.S. SUPPORTS THE COMMITTEE'S POSITION THAT THESE EXECUTIVE 09:55:54 AGENCY CLAIMS HAVE BEEN CONSISTENTLY REJECTED AND 09:55:58 COMPLIANCE WITH CONGRESSIONAL REQUESTS IN THE PAST HAS BEEN 09:56:02 FORTHCOMING. C.R.S. CITES NUMEROUS COURT 09:56:05 CASES WHICH ESTABLISH AND SUPPORT CONGRESS'S POWER TO 09:56:08 ENGAGE IN OVERSIGHT AND INVESTIGATION ACTIVITIES AND ITS 09:56:13 ACCESS TO EXECUTIVE BRANCH PERSONNEL AND DOCUMENTS IN 09:56:16 CARRYING OUT OUR POWERS OF OVERSIGHT. 09:56:18 THE DEPARTMENT, H.H.S., F.D.A., WITHIN H.H.S. SAYS IT HAS BEEN 09:56:26 RESPONSIVE BECAUSE THE AGENCY MADE AVAILABLE HUNDREDS OF 09:56:29 THOUSANDS, EVEN MILLIONS OF PAGES OF DOCUMENTS TO THE 09:56:32 FINANCE COMMITTEE IN RESPONSE TO SUBPOENAS. 09:56:34 BUT THE AGENCY CAN GIVE ME -- BUT THE AGENCY CAN GIVE ME ALL 09:56:38 THE BOOKS AND ALL THE DOCUMENTS HOUSED AT THE LIBRARY OF 09:56:40 CONGRESS AND IT WON'T MATTER IF IT'S NOT WHAT I'VE ASKED FOR AND 09:56:45 THE PAGES ARE REMOVED. IT IS THIS TYPE OF COOPERATION 09:56:50 THAT I'M GETTING UNDER THIS DIRECTOR THAT YOU'RE NOW GOING 09:56:52 TO CONFIRM. I'M VERY CONCERNED ABOUT THE 09:56:59 COOPERATION, IF ANY, THAT WE HAVE ONCE HE BECOMES A PERMANENT 09:57:04 COMMISSIONER. AND EVERY MEMBER OF CONGRESS 09:57:05 SHOULD BE EQUALLY CONCERNED IF THEY TAKE THEIR CONSTITUTIONAL 09:57:08 DUTY OF CONDUCTING OVERSIGHT OF THE EXECUTIVE BRANCH SERIOUSLY 09:57:13 AND, MOST IMPORTANTLY, TO THE NEW MAJORITY. 09:57:16 WHEN YOU'RE GOING TO CARRY OUT YOUR CAMPAIGN PROMISES TO MAKE 09:57:19 SURE THAT THERE'S PROPER OVERSIGHT, CHECKS AND BALANCES 09:57:23 AGAINST AN EXECUTIVE BRANCH OF GOVERNMENT YOU THINK'S EXCEEDING 09:57:26 AUTHORITY. IF THIS IS THE TYPE, EVERY 09:57:40 MEMBER SHOULD BE CONCERNED. I CANNOT EMPHASIZE THIS ENOUGH, 09:57:45 BUT A VOTE FOR CLOTURE TODAY IS A VOTE AGAINST OVERSIGHT AND 09:57:49 THAT IS NOT WHAT THIS SENATE SHOULD BE DOING AND IT IS NOT 09:57:52 WHAT THE AMERICAN PEOPLE SENT US HERE TO DO. 09:57:56 WE NEED TO STEP UP CONGRESSIONAL OVERSIGHT TO PROTECT OUR 09:58:00 NATION'S SYSTEMS OF CHECKS AND BALANCES AND NOT REWARD THOSE 09:58:04 WHO SEEK TO IMPEDE OUR CONSTITUTIONAL AUTHORITY. 09:58:08 THIS BODY SHOULD NOT WALK HAND IN HAND WITH THE EXECUTIVE 09:58:12 BRANCH AND SIT IDLY BY AS INSTANCES OF WASTE, FRAUD AND 09:58:18 ABUSE CONTINUE TO ENDANGER THE HEALTH AND SAFETY OF THE 09:58:21 AMERICAN PEOPLE. THIS SENATE NEEDS TO MAKE IT 09:58:24 CLEAR TO THE EXECUTIVE BRANCH THAT CONGRESS TAKES ITS 09:58:28 OVERSIGHT RESPONSIBILITIES SERIOUSLY AND TO VOTE AGAINST 09:58:31 CLOTURE. AND IF WE DO HAVE CLOTURE, I 09:58:32 WILL HAVE OTHER REMARKS DURING POST-CLOTURE DEBATE. 09:58:39 A SENATOR: MADAM PRESIDENT? THE PRESIDING OFFICER: THE 09:58:41 SENATOR FROM WYOMING. MR. ENZI: I WANT TO JUST BRIEFLY 09:58:47 MAKE A COMMENT HERE BECAUSE I UNDERSTAND THE SENATOR'S 09:58:53 FRUSTRATION. I'VE BEEN WORKING WITH HIM TO 09:58:54 TRY TO GET DOCUMENTS, TRYING TO GET THE INTERVIEW WITH MR. WES. 09:59:00 I WANT YOU TO PUT YOURSELF IN DR. HERB BOCK'S POSITION. 09:59:04 HE IS NOT CONFIRMED. HE DOES NOT HAVE FULL AUTHORITY 09:59:06 TO RUN THAT DEPARTMENT. SO WHAT HE HAS TO DO IS RELY ON 09:59:08 THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE, A

09:00:00 MANY MONTHS TO GET THAT MONEY OUT. 09:00:01 >> HAD THERE EVER BEEN ANOTHER INSTANCE OF WHERE THE SYSTEM HAD 09:00:07 BEEN DISABLED? >> WE'RE NOT AWARE OF ANY. 09:00:11 .. >> IF THEY USE CHASEPOINT, I'M 09:00:53 NOT SAYING THEY CAN ELIMINATE FRAUD BUT CAN MAKE A SIGNIFICANT 09:00:56 DENT IN FRAUD, WASTE AND ABUSE BY UP IMPLEMENTING MAIN OF THOSE 09:01:00 CONTROLS PEOPLE FEMA OR OTHER ONES THIS DO -- CHOICE POINT 09:01:05 DOES, IMPLEMENTING THE CONTROLS. >> I STILL GO BACK TO THE POINT, 09:01:08 YOU CAN TALK ABOUT CONTROLS, YOU CAN WRITE THEM DOWN ON A PIECE 09:01:12 OF PAPER BUT SOMEBODY NEEDS TO TEST THESE CONTROLS, BECAUSE, 09:01:17 QUITE HONESTLY IT IS LIKE EVERYTHING ELSE, YOU CAN SAY YOU 09:01:20 FOUND THE PROPERTY BUT UNTIL YOU TOUCH IT YOU REALLY DON'T KNOW 09:01:22 IF YOU HAVE IT AND IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, YOU TAN CAULK 09:01:26 ABOUT THE CONTROL BUT I REALLY THINK THERE HAS TO BE SOME TYPE 09:01:29 OF AN AGREEMENT WHERE SOMEONE WILL ACTUALLY COME IN AND TEST 09:01:33 WHAT YOU ARE ACTUALLY PUTTING ON A PIECE OF PAPER AND UNTIL THAT 09:01:36 IS DONE, I'M NOT REALLY HAPPY THAT IT WILL BE SATISFACTORY. 09:01:45 >> WHAT I'M HEARING IS UNTIL YOU HAVE A CHANCE TO REVIEW THIS YOU 09:01:48 ARE NOT IN A POSITION TO SAY WHETHER IT MEETS THE KIND OF 09:01:52 SPECIFICATIONS AN STANDARDS YOU WANT TO SEE TO PREVENT FURTHER 09:01:55 WASTE, FRAUD AND ABUSE. >> NOT ONLY REVIEW IT, BUT YOU 09:01:57 HAVE TO TEST IT. THERE IS GOING TO BE SO MANY 09:02:00 DIFFERENT CIRCUMSTANCES THAT COME UP, WE HAVE SO MANY 09:02:04 CITIZENS NEEDED ASSISTANCE, THEY ARE GOING TO HAVE DIFFERENT 09:02:06 STORIES AND DIFFERENT SITUATIONS S YOU HAVE TO BE ABLE TO TEST 09:02:10 YOUR PROGRAM, FIND OUT WHERE YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE AN OVERFLOW OF 09:02:14 PROBLEMS AND MAKE SURE THAT YOU CAN PLAN FOR YOUR MANPOWER SO 09:02:17 THAT YOU CAN HANDLE THOSE SITUATIONS, TO MAKE SURE THE 09:02:21 PEOPLE THAT NEED THE ASSISTANCE GET IT AS QUICKLY AS THEY 09:02:23 POSSIBLY CAN. >> SENATOR, CAN I ADD? 09:02:26 WE DID TEST, I MEAN, WITH THIS DISASTER WE TESTED AND THAT IS 09:02:29 ONE OF THE RESULTS OF THE TEST IS THEM SENDING IS MONEY, 09:02:32 BECAUSE WE WENT IN WITH BOGUS INFORMATION AND TESTED THE 09:02:35 SYSTEM VARIOUS WAYS TO SEE IF WE COULD BEAT IT AND THAT IS ONE OF 09:02:38 THE RESULTS AND DID IT DONE THE HALL FROM OUR OFFICES. 09:02:41 >> AND IN TERMS OF TESTING, SOME OF THE SCENARIOS, I MEAN, ONE -- 09:02:45 LET'S SAY THERE WERE TWO BACK-TO-BACK DISASTERS, DO WE 09:02:49 HAVE A SENSE OF HOW THE SYSTEM WOULD OPERATE UNDER THOSE 09:02:52 CIRCUMSTANCES. >> THEY HAVE AN EDIT THAT CAN 09:02:55 ACTUALLY IDENTIFY PEOPLE MAKING CLAIMS FOR BOTH DISASTERS. 09:03:00 IN THE PARTICULAR CASE, BASED ON THE WORK WE DID, WE FOUND THAT 09:03:04 THE -- THEY TURNED THE EDIT OFF. THEREFORE, IF THE EDIT WAS IN 09:03:08 PLACE, THEY WOULD HAVE BEEN ABLE TO IDENTIFY POTENTIAL TARGETS. 09:03:12 WE ARE NOT SAYING ALL OF THE INDIVIDUALS WHO HAVE DUPLICATE 09:03:15 PAYMENT ARE FRAUD CASES. BUT, WE HAVE TALK TO THE TASK 09:03:20 FORCE IN LOUISIANA, MR. DUGAS AT JUSTICE AND WE BELIEVE THESE 09:03:24 CASES ARE WORTHY OF REFERRING TO THEM FOR FURTHER INVESTIGATION. 09:03:28 >> I WANT TO FOCUS ON AT LEAST THE SYSTEM THAT APPEARS TO BE 09:03:31 ESTABLISHED IN PLACE REGARDING IDENTITY VERIFICATION. 09:03:35 ONE OF THE CONCERNS YOU RAISED WAS THE -- THAT YOU USED SOCIAL 09:03:39 SECURITY NUMBERS AND THE PEOPLE USE THE SOCIAL SECURITY NUMBERS 09:03:41 THAT WERE NOT THEIR OWN, COULD GET DISASTER ASSISTANCE. 09:03:44 DO YOU HAVE ANY ESSENTIAL OF WHETHER THIS SYSTEM WOULD BE 09:03:47 ABLE TO IDENTIFY FOLKS USING IMPROPER SOCIAL SECURITY NUMBERS 09:03:52 OR WHETHER THIS SYSTEM WOULD IDENTIFY SOMEONE WHO IS NOT A 09:03:56 U.S. CITIZEN, THE PARAMETERS OF WHETHER THIS PROBLEM WOULD BE 09:03:59 ADDRESSED WITH THE SYSTEM IN PLACE RIGHT NOW? 09:04:01 >> THE CHOICEPOINT SYSTEM COULD HAVE IDENTIFIED IF ONE PERSON 09:04:05 TRIED TO GET IN WITH BAD INFORMATION. 09:04:07 MOST CASES THERE ARE EXCEPTIONS TO THAT. 09:04:09 I THINK THE FOREIGN STUDENTS COULD HAVE GOTTEN THROUGH IF 09:04:12 THEY HAD SOCIAL SECURITY NUMBERS THERE IS NO WAY TO TELL THEY 09:04:15 WERE INELIGIBLE FOR THE STUDENT. ONE OF THE OTHER PROBLEMS, 09:04:19 PEOPLE USED THE SAME SOCIAL SECURITY NUMBER 20 TIMES AND 09:04:21 WERE ABLE TO GET -- AND HOPEFULLY THEY'VE PUT IN 09:04:23 SOMETHING, AFTER CHICAGO POINT SAYS THAT IS A REAL SOCIAL 09:04:25 SECURITY NUMBER, SOMEONE IS MAKING SURE THEY ARE NOT 09:04:28 REGISTERING 20 TIMES. WITH THE SAME NUMBER. 09:04:31 >> I WOULD HOPE YOU WOULD DO WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE TO FIGURE 09:04:34 OUT WAYS TO ENSURE THAT -- WELL, MAYBE THAT IS OR RESPOND, THE 09:04:38 SYSTEM IS TESTED AND THAT IT IS CHECKED. 09:04:42 I HATE TO COME BACK AFTER THE NEXT DISASTER WITH SIMILAR 09:04:45 PROBLEMS AND THE RESPONSE IS WE THOUGHT IT WORKED BUT DIDN'T 09:04:48 KNOW AND IN THE END IT DIDN'T WORK. 09:04:50 THANK YOU, MADAME CHAIR. >> THANK YOU, MADAME CHAIR. 09:04:55 COULD YOU ASK SOMEONE TO PUT UP THE VERY FIRST POSTER THAT WAS 09:04:59 UP? >> JUST TELL US AGAIN WHAT WE 09:05:13 HAVE HERE. STARTING FROM THE LEFT, LOOKS 09:05:14 LIKE A BILLION DOLLARS, THE GAO ESTIMATE OF IMPROPER STATEMENTS. 09:05:21 >> 2006 AND THAT WAS BASED UPON A STATISTICAL SAMPLE WE DID OF 09:05:24 EVERY PAYMENT AND REGISTRATION THAT WAS MAY. 09:05:27 >> AND AS OF ABOUT A MONTH AGO IT LOOKS LIKE FEMA IDENTIFIED 09:05:32 ROUGHLY 30% OF -- >> IMPROPER PAYMENTS. 09:05:37 >> AND THEY'VE GONE OUT AND COLLECTED $7 MILLION WHICH IS 09:05:43 ABOUT 2-3%. >> RIGHT. 09:05:44 >> OF THE AMOUNT. WOULD YOU SAY THE $7 MILLION, 09:05:48 2-3% IS ABOUT WHAT YOU WOULD EXPECT? 09:05:50 A BIT LOW? I CAN'T RATION IT IS A BIT HIGH. 09:05:56 HOW WOULD YOU CHARACTERIZE IT. >> I EXPECT A COUPLE PENNIES ON 09:05:59 THE DOLLAR. I DON'T EXPECT A LOT MORE. 09:06:01 MAYBE OVER TIME THEY'LL GET MORE AND IT GETS INTO THE OTHER ISSUE 09:06:04 AND I THINK SENATOR COLLINS MENTIONED, FEMA ALSO HAS MAYBE 09:06:07 $8 MILLION OF RECEIVABLES NOW AND NOW FEMA IS BECOMING A DEBT 09:06:11 COLLECTION AGENCY AND THAT IS NOT THE PURPOSE WANT FEMA DOING 09:06:14 AND SO, BUT, CERTAINLY, THEY COULD POTENTIALLY GET MORE BUT 09:06:17 IT WILL NOT BE MUCH AT THE END OF THE DAY. 09:06:20 >> ARE THERE OTHERS, OTHER ENTITIES, PUBLIC OR PRIVATE, TO 09:06:23 WHOM THEY COULD DISPATCH OR TURN OVER THE RESPONSIBILITY FOR DEBT 09:06:29 COLLECTION, MAYBE THEY'VE ALREADY DONE THAT. 09:06:30 I DON'T KNOW. >> THE WAY IT IS SUPPOSED TO 09:06:32 WORK, ONCE THEY'VE ISSUED THE LITERS, SAYING YOU SO US THIS 09:06:38 MONEY BACK, ET CETERA, AFTER A CERTAIN PERIOD OF TIME THE WAY 09:06:40 THE GOVERNMENT PROCESS WORKS, THEY ARE SUPPOSED TO REFER IT TO 09:06:43 THE TREASURY DEPARTMENT WHO HAS AN OFFSET PROGRAM AND ULTIMATELY 09:06:45 IT WILL END UP WITH COLLECTION AGENTS POSSIBLY AND THEY MAY OFF 09:06:49 SIT AGAINST THINGS LIKE REFUND, TAX REFUNDS OR OTHER THINGS AND 09:06:53 THERE IS A PROCESS FEMA SHOULD FOLLOW, ONCE IT GETS AFTER A 09:06:57 CERTAIN AGE GOES TO TREASURY AND COLLECTION AGENTS AND THEY 09:06:59 OFFSET AGAINST OTHER GOVERNMENT DISBURSEMENTS. 09:07:01 >> ARE YOU AWARE OF ANYTHING THAT WE SHOULD BE DOING ON THIS 09:07:04 COMMITTEE OR IN CONGRESS TO INCREASE THAT NUMBER FROM 7 09:07:10 MILLION, TO SOMETHING HIGHER THAN THAT, TO TAKE OR -- MAKE I 09:07:16 $290 MILLION, BEING IDENTIFIED CLOSER TO THE BILLION DOLLARS 09:07:20 THAT IT -- YOU INVITED -- IDENTIFIEDEN YOUR EARLIER WORK. 09:07:25 >> WE UNDERSTAND THEY'VE SHARED WITH SOME OF THE COMMITTEE STAFF 09:07:30 THERE IS MORE REKRUMENTS THAT THEY -- RECOUPMENTS THAT CAN 09:07:34 MAKE THE $290 MILLION GROW, THE QUESTION IS, HOW CAN YOU COLLECT 09:07:39 THE MONEY FROM THE PEOPLE, IF THEY ARE FRAUDSTERS, THEY ARE 09:07:43 NE AND IF IT IS PEOPLE WHO MY MIGHT NOT BE FRAUD LEN AND I'LL 09:07:47 USE THE STUDENTS, A LOT OF STUDENTS APPARENTLY SPENT THE 09:07:50 MONEY AND NOW SAY TO OUR PEOPLE, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A HARD TIME 09:07:52 PAYING THE MONEY BACK. SO, AGAIN, IF YOU SPENT THE 09:07:56 MONEY ITS HARD TO PAY IT BACK SOMETIMES. 09:07:58 OWE, IT WILL -- SO IT WILL BE, I THINK GOOD MANAGEMENT CAN GET 09:08:02 SEVERAL PERCENT BUT WILL BE HARD TO IMAGINE THEM GETTING A LOT 09:08:05 BUT WHAT YOU C DO IS PROVIDE OVERSIGHT OF FEMA TO MAKE SURE 09:08:09 THEY ARE FOLLOWING THE RIGHT PROCESSES, BECAUSE THE MORE 09:08:12 EFFECTIVE WAY IS FRAUD PREVENTION AND NOW THAT YOU ARE 09:08:14 HERE WHERE YOU ARE WE WANT TO SEE PEOPLE RECOVER AS MUCH AS 09:08:17 POSSIBLE. >> I THINK WHAT YOU SAID, THERE 09:08:20 IS REALLY CRITICAL, AND THE IMPORTANT THING IS FOR US TO DO 09:08:23 THE JOB AT THE FRONT END AND FEMA TO DO THE RIGHT JOB AT THE 09:08:26 FRONT END, WHEN THE MONEY IS OUT IT IS FOR THE MOST PART, GONE, 09:08:30 OUT OF HERE. COULD YOU LOOK AT THE SECOND 09:08:35 POSTER THAT YOU HAD UP THERE, PLEASE? 09:08:44 JUST EXPLAIN THIS ONE AGAIN FOR YOU, IF YOU WOULD, BRIEFLY. 09:08:47 >> YES. THIS IS INDIVIDUAL THAT ARE 09:08:49 STAYING AT FEMA PROVIDED HOUSING AND IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE IT 09:08:52 IS MOBILE HOMES AN TRAILERS. COULD BE AHO TELL, HOTELS HAVE 09:08:55 THE SAME ISSUE, APARTMENTS HAVE THE SAME ISSUE. 09:08:58 THEY ARE ENTITLED TO FREE HOUSING UNDER THE PROGRAM, IF 09:09:00 THEY ARE A LEGIT MAT VICTIM AND WHAT THE PROBLEM IS AT THE SAME 09:09:04 TIME THEY HAVE FREE HOUSING FEMA SENT A CHECK REIMBURSING THEM 09:09:08 FOR RENTAL THEY WERE NOT INCURRING AND THE GOVERNMENT 09:09:10 BASICALLY PAID TWICE FOR THESE INDIVIDUALS' HOUSING AND WHETHER 09:09:14 IT ES FRAUD DEPENDS ON CERTAIN CASES AND SOME MIGHT BE PEOPLE, 09:09:16 SAY, HEY I GOT A CHECK FROM FEMA FOR RENTAL ASSISTANCE THOUGH I'M 09:09:20 STAYING AT A FREE HOTEL OR IN THIS CASE A MOBILE HOME OR 09:09:23 TRAILER. AND THAT IS WHAT THAT REPRESENTS 09:09:26 AND AGAIN YOU ARE PAYING TWICE FOR THE SAME THING. 09:09:28 >> THE COURTS RECENTLY RULED THAT -- AT LEAST, FEDERAL 09:09:33 DISTRICT COURT RECENTLY RULED FEMA NEEDED TO CONTINUE 09:09:37 PROVIDING HOUSING ASSISTANCE FOR A NUMBER OF PEOPLE WHO HAVE BEEN 09:09:40 DISPLACED. HOW DOES THAT FIT INTO THIS 09:09:45 SITUATION, OR DOES IT? >> IT MAY. 09:09:47 I MEAN, I THINK ONE OF THE ISSUES IS, FEMA MAKING SURE 09:09:49 PEOPLE ARE ALERTED AS TO WHAT THEY ARE SUPPOSED TO SPEND THE 09:09:52 MONEY ON AND GETS BACK TO THE SAME THING, THE DEBIT CARDS AND 09:09:55 FEMA WAS NOT TELLING PEOPLE HOW TO SPEND THE MONEY AND GOT INTO 09:09:58 CERTAIN ISSUES BUT I'M NOT SURE HOW IT RELATES, THERE MAY BE 09:10:03 OVERLAP WITH THE ISSUE. >> WHAT KIND OF ASSURANCES CAN 09:10:05 YOU GIVE US THAT LOOKING AHEAD TO THE NEXT DISASTER OR NEXT 09:10:09 HURRICANE OR FLOOD, THAT FEMA HAS LEARNED LESSONS, SO THAT WE 09:10:13 WON'T REPLICATE THESE PROBLEMS IN THE FUTURE, BECAUSE AS YOU 09:10:17 POINTED OUT, ONCE THE MONEY IS GONE, IT IS GONE. 09:10:19 >> ONE OF THE FRUSTRATING PARTS FROM WHERE WE SIT IS WE CAN'T DO 09:10:23 IT, WE CAN ONLY RECOMMEND IT, BUT WE HAVE GIVEN THEM WHAT WE 09:10:27 THINK ARE PRACTICABLE, IMPLEMENTABLE RECOMMENDATIONS 09:10:30 THAT DON'T NECESSARILY HARJ LEGITIMATE VICTIMS BUT HELP US 09:10:33 REDUCE FRAUD, WASTE AND ABUSE AND SO, SRM OUR FOLLOW-UP AND 09:10:36 MAYBE THIS COMMITTEE'S FOLLOW-UP WOULD BE USEFUL IN HOLDING 09:10:40 FEMA'S FEET TO THE FIRE AND MAKING SURE THEY DO BETTER NEXT 09:10:43 TIME AND WE'D BE MORE THAN WILLING TO WORK WITH THE 09:10:46 COMMITTEE ON THAT POINT. >> THAT IS ONE OUR SUBCOMMITTEE 09:10:48 MAY WANT TO LOOK AT THE NEXT YEAR AS WELL. 09:10:50 THANKS TO BOTH OF YOU FOR YOUR CONTINUED SERVICE. 09:10:56 >> I'D LIKE TO RETURN TO THE POSTER BOARD OF THE DISASTER 09:11:01 ASSISTANCE CHECK RECEIVED BY GAO. 09:11:05 MR. RYAN, AT FIRST, EXPLAIN TO ME HOW SOMEONE FROM GAO RECEIVED 09:11:11 THIS. >> WE TESTED THE SYSTEM. 09:11:15 WE TESTED THE SYSTEM TO SEE IF THE CONTROL, THE UP-FRONT 09:11:19 CONTROLS WERE IN PLACE TO STOP A PERSON LIKE MYSELF AND THE 09:11:24 AGENTS THAT SIT BEHIND ME FROM STEALING THE MONEY. 09:11:27 WE CREATED IDENTITIES, WE USED SOCIAL SECURITY NUMBERS THAT 09:11:30 WERE NOTLY,ED TO THOSE IDENTITIES, AND -- NOT LINKED TO 09:11:34 THOSE IDENTITIES AND WENT ON-LINE FIRST TO TRY TO 09:11:37 REGISTER. WE WERE NOT SUCCESSFUL. 09:11:39 BECAUSE OF THE ON-LINE VERIFICATION PROCESS, STOPPED US 09:11:43 BECAUSE IT IDENTIFIED US NOT AS REAL PEOPLE. 09:11:46 HOWEVER, THE SYSTEM SAID IF YOU DON'T GET THROUGH, CALL US. 09:11:50 WELL, WE CALLED, USED THE SAME INFORMATION, AND WE WERE ABLE TO 09:11:54 REGISTER. WE PROVIDED DOCUMENTATION, WHICH 09:11:58 WE COUNTERFEITED, MANUFACTURED, THEY ACCEPTED IT, AND IN THE 09:12:03 PROCESS, PROCEEDED TO SEND US THIS CHECK ALONG WITH OTHER 09:12:07 CHECKS. >> ISN'T IT PRETTY EASY TO 09:12:12 VERIFY AN IDENTITY AND A SOCIAL SECURITY NUMBER TO MAKE SURE 09:12:15 THAT THEY MATCH? WOULDN'T IT BE PRETTY EASY TO 09:12:19 PREVENT THIS KIND OF BLATANT FRAUD? 09:12:22 >> I THINK THAT FEMA, IN USING THE INTERNET SYSTEM, HAD THE 09:12:26 RIGHT IDEA. I THINK IT WAS A GREAT START. 09:12:28 BUT, THE PROBLEM WAS, THAT YOU WENT TWO DIFFERENT PATHS AND 09:12:32 THEY DIDN'T FOLLOW THE SAME PROCESS. 09:12:34 IF YOU -- IF YOU ARE GOING TO DO IT ON THE LEFT YOU SHOULD DO IT 09:12:37 ON THE RIGHT AND THERE IS WHERE THE VULNERABILITY EXISTED. 09:12:40 >> WE TRIED TO GET INTO THE INTERNET, TO THE WEB AND GOT 09:12:44 KICK BACK. SO, WE WENT TO THE PHONE CALLS 09:12:47 AND THE VERY SAME PEOPLE WHO GOT KICK OUT AND THEY DIDN'T KEEP 09:12:50 TRACK OF WHO GOT KICKED OUT EITHER TO MAKE SURE IF THEY 09:12:53 CALLED, THEY'D SAY YOU TRIED AND WE REJECTED YOU ANDIDN'T HAVE 09:12:57 THAT IN PLACE. >> AND WHILE THERE WERE CONTROLS 09:12:59 IF YOU APPLIED VIA THE INTERNET, THOSE SAME CONTROLS DID NOT 09:13:04 EXIST IF YOU CALLED UP AND APPLIED, WHICH IS WHY YOU WERE 09:13:09 SUCCESSFUL WHEN YOU USED THE TELEPHONE APPLICATION PROCESS, 09:13:12 CORRECT. >> CORRECT. 09:13:15 >> WHAT IS STUNNING ABOUT THIS IS, IT IS NOT A VERY 09:13:20 SOPHISTICATED FRAUD TO MAKE UP AN IDEITY AND A SOCIAL 09:13:23 SECURITY NUMBER AND YET, IT WAS SUCCESSFUL. 09:13:26 BUT YOU FIRST TESTIFIED ABOUT DOING THIS BACK IN FEBRUARY, IF 09:13:32 YOU -- IF MEMORY SERVES ME CORRECTLY. 09:13:36 SO THIS RAISES ANOTHER INTERESTING QUESTION. 09:13:39 HAS FEMA TRIED TO RECOUP THIS MONEY? 09:13:43 >> WE HAVEN'T RECEIVED A RECOUPING LETTER. 09:13:46 AND WE HAVE NOT CASHED THE CHECKS. 09:13:48 WHICH IS KIND OF A CLUE THAT MAYBE YOU NEED TO BE LOOKING AT 09:13:52 WHO IS SPENDING THE MONEY. WE ARE PROBABLY THE ONLY PEOPLE 09:13:56 THAT HAVEN'T CASHED THE CHECKS, SO -- 09:13:58 >> THAT I WOULD GUESS. MR. KUNTZ, BASED ON THE -- KUTZ 09:14:07 BASED ON THE REVIEW AND INVESTIGATION YOU HAVE DONE, 09:14:10 WHAT DO YOU THINK THE REAL LIKELIHOOD IS OF FEMA BEING ABLE 09:14:14 TO RECOVER A SUBSTANTIAL AMOUNT OF THE IMPROPER FRAUDULENT 09:14:19 PAYMENT, LET'S SAY -- LET'S SAY 50%. 09:14:23 >> ALMOST ZERO% CHANCE. >> BECAUSE IN MANY CASES AS YOU 09:14:29 HAVE POINTED OUT, IF SOMEONE DELIBERATELY COMMITTED FRAUD 09:14:34 THEY WILL NOT STICK AROUND TO BE CAUGHT. 09:14:38 >> RIGHT. >> RIGHT. 09:14:40 >> BUT SECOND, IF SOMEONE RECEIVED A CHECK AND THOUGHT, 09:14:43 GEE, WHAT GOOD FORTUNE THAT I GOT THIS PAYMENT OR MAYBE I'M 09:14:46 ALLOWED TO CORRECT TWICE BECAUSE IT WAS TWO DIFFERENT HURRICANES, 09:14:49 ISN'T IT VERY LIKELY THAT MONEY IS LONG GONE? 09:14:52 >> YES. AND AGAIN THEY SPENT IT, AGAIN, 09:14:54 LIKE OUR RECENT EXAMPLES OF THE STUDENTS, MANY OF THEM HAD SPENT 09:14:57 THE MONEY ALREADY AND WHAT THEY SPENT IT ON WE DIDN'T FOLLOW UP 09:15:00 ON BUT, YEAH, THEY WERE GOING TO HAVE A HARD TIME PAYING IT BACK 09:15:04 NOW. >> MR. RYAN, I UNDERSTAND THAT 09:15:07 YOU INVESTIGATED THE CASE OF THE CRAB HOUSE WHERE THE 25 09:15:14 TEMPORARY WORKERS RECEIVED OVER $150,000. 09:15:18 IN ASSISTANCE DESPITE THE FACT THAT THEY WERE CLEARLY 09:15:22 INELIGIBLE. SHOULD FEMA HAVE KNOWN THAT THE 09:15:26 WORKERS WERE SHOULD NOT RECEIVE THIS ASSISTANCE? 09:15:30 DID YOU FIND ANY EVIDENCE THAT FEMA HAD DOCUMENTED THAT SHOULD 09:15:35 HAVE RAISED RED FLAGS ABOUT THIS ELIGIBILITY. 09:15:39 >> IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, THE INDIVIDUAL WERE HERE ON WORK 09:15:42 VISAS. THEY WERE WORKING AT THE CRAB 09:15:45 HOUSE, WHEN THE HURRICANE CAME, THE OWNER TOOK THE EMPLOYEES AND 09:15:48 WENT TO NA. WHILE THEY WERE IN FLORIDA THE 09:15:52 OWNER OF THE BUSINESS MADE SURE THEY HAD ALL THEIR WORKING VISAS 09:15:55 TOOK THEM DOWN TO FEMA AND PROVIDED THE VISAS, PROVIDED THE 09:16:00 LOCATION TO THE WORKER TO GO TO, AND THE EVIDENCE THAT THEY WERE 09:16:04 -- HAD A WORKING VISA. AND IT WAS PRESENTED TO FEMA, 09:16:08 SOME OF THE DOCUMENTATION WAS RECORDED IN THE DATABASE. 09:16:11 AND WHEN WE REVIEWED IT, WE FOUND IT. 09:16:20 WHAT I'D LIKE TO BRING OUT IS IN THE APPLICATION PROCESS, THE 09:16:24 QUESTION IS ASKED, ARE YOU A LEGAL ALIEN AND IN THESE 09:16:27 PARTICULAR CASES WITHOUT FURTHER EXPLANATION OR AN UNDERSTANDING 09:16:30 BY THE FEMA EMPLOYEE, THESE PEOPLE WERE LEGAL ALIENS. 09:16:34 AND THEY WERE HERE ON PROPER WORK VISAS. 09:16:38 WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE IS, IS THAT IF YOU ARE GOING TO ASK 09:16:41 THAT QUESTION, YOU NEED TO HAVE EITHER A DROP-DOWN SCREEN OR ASK 09:16:46 THE APPROPRIATE FOLLOW-UP QUESTION, ARE YOU HERE ON A 09:16:48 STUDENT VISA, ARE YOU HERE ON A H1 OR H2-TYPE VISA SO THERE IS A 09:16:54 BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF THE PERSON WHO IS PRESENTING THE 09:16:56 INFORMATION SO THEY CAN DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT THEY 09:16:58 ARE ENTITLED OR NOT ENTITLED. SO, IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, I 09:17:02 WILL SAY THAT THESE 5 PEOPLE WHO GOT MONEY, I CANNOT TELL YOU IF 09:17:08 THEY WERE LEGAL OR NOT LEGAL. I CAN'T TELL YOU IF THE VISAS 09:17:12 WERE VALID OR INVALLEY. I CAN'T TELL YOU IF -- IN VALID, 09:17:17 I CAN'T TELL YOU IF THEY SHOULD HAVE OR SHOULDN'T HAVE GOTTEN 09:17:20 BENEFITS, I WILL TELL YOU, THOUGH, WE REFERRED IT TO THE 09:17:23 TASK FORCE AND BELIEVE THE PEOPLE OUGHT TO BE INTERVIEWED 09:17:25 AND CRIMINAL CASES STARTED AGAINST THEM. 09:17:27 >> AND SOME OF THEM PROVIDED FICTITIOUS INFORMATION AND ARE 09:17:32 SUSPICIOUS FRAUD CASES, THE ONES WITH THE VISAS SCANNED IN TO THE 09:17:36 SYSTEM WERE FROM MEXICO AND THE OTHER ONES, THERE WAS NOTHING IN 09:17:39 THE SYSTEM AND WHEN WE CHECKED THE SOCIAL SECURITY NUMBERS, 09:17:41 THERE WAS A PROBLEM WITH THEM AND SOME HAD NEVER BEEN ISSUED 09:17:45 BEFORE AND SOME OF THESE COULD BE FRAUD CASES. 09:17:47 >> AND I THINK THAT IS AN IMPORTANT POINT, BECAUSE IN SOME 09:17:50 OF THESE CASES, WHAT YOU ARE FINDING IS OUT RIGHT FRAUD. 09:17:56 MANUFACTURED SOCIAL SECURITY NUMBERS. 09:18:01 FALSE IDENTITIES, OTHER INDICATORS OF DELIBERATE FRAUD. 09:18:04 BUT, IN SOME OF THESE CASES, THE INDIVIDUALS, I SUSPECT THE 09:18:09 INTERNATIONAL STUDENT MAY BE EXAMPLES OF THIS, PRESENTED 09:18:15 LEGITIMATE, DOCUMENTICIAN TO FEMA THAT SHOULD HAVE LED FEMA 09:18:21 TO SAY YOU ARE NOT ELIGIBLE FOR ASSISTANCE AND THERE WASN'T 09:18:26 FRAUD ON BEHALF OF THE CLAIMANT IN SOME OF THESE CASES, BUT, 09:18:31 FEMA, THROUGH SLOPPY PROCEDURES, ISSUED CHECKS EVEN THOUGH THEY 09:18:37 HAD INFORMATION THAT SHOULD HAVE LED THEM TO DISQUALIFY THE 09:18:41 INDIVIDUAL. IS THAT FAIR? 09:18:43 >> YES. ANDY FACT RPTS FROM THE FOUR 09:18:45 UNIVERSITIES SAID FEMA REPRESENTATIVES TOLD THE 09:18:48 STUDENTS TO APPLY EVEN KNOWING THEY WEREN'T ELIGIBLE. 09:18:51 AND WE COULDN'T VALIDATE ALL OF THAT BUT CERTAINLY WE HAD 09:18:54 MULTIPLE SOURCES OF EVIDENCE THAT THE FEMA PEOPLE KNEW THESE 09:18:57 PEOPLE WERE NOT ELIGIBLE AND LET THEM APPLY ANY WAY AND 09:19:00 ENCOURAGED THEM TO APPLY AND SO, AGAIN, LIKE YOU SAID IN THE FEMA 09:19:03 SYSTEM THERE APPEARS TO BE VALID STUDENT VISAS IN THE SYSTEM, AN 09:19:07 EVEN RIGHT NEXT TO THAT IS A COPY IN THE SYSTEM OF THE FEMA 09:19:11 FLYER, SAYING, STUDENT, FOREIGN STUDENTS ARE NOT ELIGIBLE. 09:19:15 THEY GOT MONEY ANYWAY. >> THIS SHOWS ME THAT, IN 09:19:19 ADDITION TO HAVING BETTER INTERNAL CONTROLS, THAT ARE 09:19:23 CONSISTENTLY APPLIED, AND NOT SUSPENDED JUST BECAUSE THERE IS' 09:19:28 LARGE VOLUME OF APPLICANT, THAT WE ALSO NEED BETTER TRAINING, 09:19:35 BETTER SYSTEMS FOR ENSURING FEMA WORKERS UNDERSTAND THE 09:19:40 ELIGIBILITY RULES. WHICH WAS SENATOR LIEBERMAN'S 09:19:45 POINT AS WELL. I JUST HAVE ONE FINAL QUESTION 09:19:48 FOR YOU. AND IT HAS TO DO WITH FEMA'S 09:19:53 ATTEMPTS TO RECOUP THIS MONEY. MR. RYAN, YOU MADE A VERY GOOD 09:19:58 POINT THAT FEMA IS NOT A COLLECTION AGENCY. 09:20:02 THIS ISN'T AN AREA WHERE FEMA HAS EXPERTISE AND, CLEARLY, 09:20:07 RESOURCES ARE BEING DIVERTED TO COLLECTING ON THESE CASES AND 09:20:15 FEMA REALLY DOESN'T HAVE THAT AS ITS MISSION. 09:20:18 TO ME, THE LESSON FROM THAT IS YOU'VE GOT TO HAVE GOOD CONTROLS 09:20:22 UP FRONT TO PREVENT THIS FRAUD IN THE FIR PLACE. 09:20:25 BUT WHAT IS YOUR GENERAL ASSESSMENT -- I LIKE TO HEAR 09:20:28 FROM BOTH OF YOU ON THIS ISSUE -- OF FEMA'S SYSTEM FOR 09:20:34 TRIGGERING RECOUPMENT, GOING AFTER OBVIOUSLY IMPROPER OR 09:20:40 FRAUDULENT PAYMENTS? MR. RYAN, WE'LL START WITH YOU. 09:20:46 >> MY EXPERIENCE IS, IS THAT WHEN THE MONEY GETS OUT THE DOOR 09:20:50 IT'S GONE. AND YOU ARE -- YOU ARE CHASING 09:20:53 IT DONE THE STREET, TRYING TO FIND IT. 09:20:54 WE ARE WASTING ALMOST AS MUCH MONEY CHASING IT AS WHAT WE ARE 09:20:59 TRYING TO RECOVER. I CAN'T REALLY GIVE YOU MY 09:21:05 OPINION BECAUSE I REALLY DIDN'T WORK ON THE RECOUPMENT, THE 09:21:08 PROCESS THAT THEY HAVE. BUT I CAN UNTIL THAT BASED ON 09:21:13 TESTIFYING FOUR, FIVE TIMES IN REGARDS TO FEMA, WE ARE REALLY 09:21:19 AT YOUR DIRECTION AND THE COMMITTEE'S DIRECTION AND SOME 09:21:22 OF THE OTHER COMMITTEES IN CONGRESS, LOOK AT WHAT REALLY 09:21:24 FRAUD IS. HOW DOES FRAUD EXIST IN THESE 09:21:27 PROGRAMS? AND IN THE PAST WE WERE TOLD IT 09:21:29 WAS 1%, 2% AND WE ARE IDENTIFYING FROM THE STATISTICAL 09:21:34 SAMPLE 16% FRAUD, IT APPEARS YOU HAVE TO DO A BETTER JOB UP FRONT 09:21:41 BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WILL BE ABLE TO RECOVER THE MONEY IN 09:21:43 THE BACK AND I CAN'T REALLY COMMENT AS TO THE PROCESS THAT 09:21:47 THEY ARE USING FOR RECOUPMENT BECAUSE I HAVEN'T LOOKED AT IT. 09:21:50 MAYBE GREG HAS, AND THE STAFF HAS. 09:21:52 I HAVE NOT. >> NO, WE HAVEN'T SYSTEMATICALLY 09:21:55 LOOKED AT IT BUT THE INTERESTING THING IS THEY'VE CHARACTERIZED 09:21:59 RECOUPMENTS OR THE $290 MILLION AS THE FRAUDULENT RATE AND YOU 09:22:03 KNOW THAT DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE AND THEY TRIED TO COMPARE THAT 09:22:06 TO THE WAY WE DID A RANDOM STATISTICAL SAMPLE OF THE ENTIRE 09:22:09 POPULATION. SO IT ALMOST SEEMED LIKE THEY 09:22:12 DIDN'T REALLY UNDERSTAND WHAT FRAUD, WASTE AND ABUSE IS IN 09:22:14 THAT -- AND THAT WAS A BIT DISCOURAGING BUT BE AGAIN THE 09:22:17 FACT THAT THEY ARE IDENTIFYING HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS 09:22:20 IS NOT A BAD THING IF THEY CAN TRY TO COLLECT IT IT IS GOOD, 09:22:23 BUT IF WE GET BOGGED DOWN IN FEMA DOING DEBT COLLECTION AND 09:22:26 OTHER DISASTER HITS, THAT IS NOT A GOOD THING -- AND ANOTHER 09:22:31 DISASTER HITS, THAT IS NOT A GOOD THING. 09:22:33 >> I GUESS WHAT IS MOST DISTURBING TO ME IS, AS I 09:22:35 MENTIONED IN MY OPENING COMMENTS IS THIS IS MONEY THAT IS 09:22:39 DESPERATELY NEEDED BY THE REAL VICTIMS TO REBUILD DEVASTATED 09:22:46 COMMUNITIES AND TO REBUILD THEIR LIVES. 09:22:49 THE AMERICAN PEOPLE ARE VERY GENEROUS BUT THERE IS A LIMIT TO 09:22:53 THEIR GENEROSITY IF THEY BELIEVE THAT SUBSTANTIAL AMOUNTS OF 09:22:57 MONEY ARE BEING LOST TO WASTE, FRAUD AN ABUSE. 09:23:00 AND THAT IS CLEARLY WHAT HAPPENED IN THIS CASE. 09:23:04 IT IS PARTICULARLY FRUSTRATING TO ME BECAUSE IN 2004 THIS 09:23:11 COMMITTEE HELD OVERSIGHT HEARINGS LOOKING AT WASTE, FRAUD 09:23:16 AN ABUSE IN THE WAKE OF THE FLORIDA HURRICANES AND WE 09:23:20 IDENTIFIED SOME OF THE EXACT SAME PROBLEMS THAT YOU HAVE 09:23:26 TESTIFIED ABOUT TODAY. AT THAT TIME, I REMEMBER TELLING 09:23:32 MICHAEL BROWN THAT HE HAD TO ENSURE THAT CONTROLS WERE IN 09:23:37 PLACE BEFORE THE NEXT MAJOR DISASTER HIT. 09:23:41 REGRETTABLY, HE DID NOT DO SO. AND WHEN A DISASTER OF THE 09:23:47 MAGNITUDE OF KATRINA HIT, THE MAGNITUDE OF THE WASTE, FRAUD 09:23:53 AND ABUSE WAS THAT MUCH GREATER. WE CAN'T WAIT FOR YET ANOTHER 09:23:58 DISASTER TO HIT AND FOR YET ANOTHER ROUND OF INVESTIGATIONS 09:24:03 AN HEARINGS TO SPOTLIGHT, ONCE AGAIN, THE LACK OF BASIC 09:24:12 SAFEGUARD AND INTERNAL CONTROLS THAT ANY AGENCY THAT IS 09:24:16 PROVIDING PUBLIC ASSISTANCE SHOULD HAVE AS A MATTER OF 09:24:20 COURSE. THIS ISN'T ROCKET SCIENCE. 09:24:25 IT ISN'T SOMETHING WHERE IT REQUIRES TECHNOLOGY THAT IS NOT 09:24:28 YET BEEN DEVELOPED. IT IS BASIC VERIFICATION OF 09:24:33 ELIGIBILITY, IDENTITY, ADDRESS, AND DAMAGE. 09:24:39 AND I, FOR ONE, AM GOING TO CONTINUE TO PUSH FEMA AND THE 09:24:45 DEPARTMENT OF HOMELAND SECURITY TO PROVE THAT THEY HAVE THOSE 09:24:49 SYSTEMS IN PLACE. THE FEMA REFORM LEGISLATION THAT 09:24:53 THIS COMMITTEE ADVANCED AND WHICH WAS SIGNED INTO LAW AS 09:24:56 PART OF THE APPROPRIATIONS BILL REQUIRES THE DEVELOPMENT OF 09:25:02 THOSE STANDARDS. IT IS NOT SOMETHING, FRAERK, 09:25:04 THAT WE SHOULD HAVE HAD TO PUT IN LAW TO ENSURE THAT IT WAS 09:25:08 GOING TO HAPPEN. IT IS BASIC MANAGEMENT. 09:25:11 BUT, I HOPE THAT YOU WILL CONTINUE TO WORK WITH US TO 09:25:15 PROBE AND TEST THE SYSTEM TO ENSURE THAT TRUE PROGRESS HAS 09:25:20 BEEN MADE. WE HAVE ASKED THE -- DHS TO 09:25:25 RESPOND TO YOUR TESTIMONY AND TO THESE LATEST FINDINGS AN 09:25:31 RECOMMENDATIONS. THEY ARE STILL WORKING ON THEIR 09:25:34 RESPONSE. AND I LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING 09:25:41 THEIR RESPONSE TO THESE VERY TROUBLING FINDINGS. 09:25:43 WE ALL KNOW LESSONS CAN BE LEARNED AND APPLIED IN THE WAKE 09:25:46 OF A DISASTER. AND WE HAVE SEEN SOME PROGRESS 09:25:53 BEING MADE IN OTHER PARTS OF FEMA AND I REALIZE THERE IS A 09:25:57 LOT OF PROGRESS THAT NEEDS TO BE MADE BUT THE AMERICAN PEOPLE ARE 09:26:00 NOT GOING TO BE WILLING TO KEEP WRITING CHECKS FOR DISASTER 09:26:06 RELIEF AND ASSISTANCE UNLESS THEY ARE ASSURED THAT THE MONEY 09:26:10 IS BEING WISELY SPENT TO BENEFIT THE TRUE VICTIMS AND YOUR WORK 09:26:17 IS VITALLY IMPORTANT IN HELPING US ACHIEVE THAT GOAL. 09:26:21 I VERY MUCH APPRECIATE ALL OF YOUR ASSISTANCE TO THE 09:26:25 COMMITTEE. IT'S BEEN A GREAT PLEASURE TO 09:26:28 WORK WITH YOU. I AM CERTAIN THAT THIS 09:26:31 COMMITTEE'S FIGHT AGAINST WASTEFUL SPENDING WILL CONTINUE 09:26:34 AND I LOOK FORWARD TO WORKING WITH YOU FURTHER. 09:26:38 I ALSO WANT TO THANK MY STAFF FOR THEIR DILIGENT WORK ON THIS 09:26:43 HEARING, AND INDEED, ON ALL OF THE KATRINA INVESTIGATION. 09:26:48 IT WAS THE MOST EXTENSIVE INVESTIGATION EVER UNDERTAKEN BY 09:26:53 THIS COMMITTEE. I BELIEVE THAT THIS IS OUR 25th 09:26:58 KATRINA HEARING AND I THINK WE HAVE LEARNED A LOT. 09:27:02 WE HAVE ISSUED A MAJOR REPORT. WE HAVE ENACTED LEGISLATION BUT 09:27:07 ITS CLEAR THAT CONTINUED OVERSIGHT WILL BE NECESSARY. 09:27:10 SO I WANT TO THANK THE STAFF FOR THEIR GOOD WORK AS WELL. 09:27:13 THE HEARING RECORD WILL REMAIN OPEN FOR 15 DAYS TO RECEIVE 09:27:19 QUESTIONS FOR THE RECORD, OTHER MATERIALS, AND I HOPE DHS'S 09:27:24 WRITTEN FORMAL RESPONSE. THANK YOU AGAIN FOR YOUR GOOD 09:27:27 WORK. THIS HEARING IS NOW ADJOURNED. 09:27:37 [INAUDIBLE CONVERSATIONS] [INAUDIBLE CONVERSATIONS] 09:28:20 [INAUDIBLE CONVERSATIONS] [INAUDIBLE CONVERSATIONS] 09:29:55 >> NEXT ON C-SPAN2 COVERAGE OF THE U.S. SENATE, TODAY'S AGENDA 09:29:59 INCLUDES DEBATE ON THE NOMINATION OF ANDREW VON 09:30:02 EICHENBACH TO BE COMMISSIONER OF THE FOOD AND DRUG ADMINISTRATION 09:30:05 AND VOTES ARE EXPECTED TODAY AND LATER TODAY, 2:30 EASTERN, VICE 09:30:08 PRESIDENT CHENEY WILL ACCOMPANY MAJORITY LEADER BILL FRIST TO 09:30:12 THE FLOOR FOR HIS FAREWELL ADDRESS AND LIVE COVERAGE NOW ON 09:30:16 C-SPAN2. THE PRESIDENT PRO TEMPORE: THE 09:30:21 SENATE WILL COME TO ORDER. THE SENATE WILL BE LED IN PRAYER 09:30:23 BY THE CHAPLAIN OF THE SENATE, DR. BARRY BLACK. 09:30:32 THE CHAPLAIN: LET US PRAY. ETERNAL LORD GOD, OUR STRONG 09:30:40 HOLD IN TIMES OF TROUBLE. BLESS TODAY OUR SENATORS. 09:30:44 LORD, 65 YEARS AGO AMERICA EXPERIENCED A DAY OF INFAMY. 09:30:52 AS WE REMEMBER PEARL HARBOR, OUR HEARTS TURN TOWARD THE MEN AND 09:30:58 WOMEN OF OUR ARMED FORCES AND THEIR FAMILIES. 09:31:06 THANK YOU FOR THEIR INVESTMENT IN FREEDOM AND THEIR SACRIFICES 09:31:11 FOR OUR LIBERTIES. COMFORT THOSE WHO MOURN AND 09:31:18 THOSE WHO BEAR THE SCARS OF BATTLE. 09:31:23 BE A COMPANION TO THOSE WHO MUST STARE AT AN EMPTY CHAIR DURING 09:31:30 THIS HOLIDAY SEASON. DEFEND THOSE IN HARM'S WAY WITH 09:31:37 YOUR HEAVENLY GRACE AND GIVE THEM COURAGE TO FACE PERILS WITH 09:31:44 TRUST INOU. GIVE THEM A SENSE OF YOUR 09:31:50 ABIDING PRESENCE WHEREVER THEY MAY BE. 09:31:56 WE PRAY IN YOUR SOVEREIGN NAME. AMEN. 09:32:06 THE PRESIDENT PRO TEMPORE: PLEASE JOIN ME IN RECITING THE 09:32:08 PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE TO OUR FLAG. 09:32:12 I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF 09:32:15 AMERICA, AND TO THE REPUBLIC, FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION 09:32:17 UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. 09:32:29 UNDER THE PREVIOUS ORDER, THE LEADERSHIP TIME IS RESERVED. 09:32:33 UNDER THE PREVIOUS ORDER, THE SENATE WILL PROCEED TO EXECUTIVE 09:32:35 SESSION FOR CONSIDERATION OF THE NOMINATION OF ANDREW VON 09:32:38 ESCHENBACH WHICH THE CLERK WILL REPORT. 09:32:40 THE CLERK: NOMINATION, DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH AND HUMAN 09:32:45 SERVICES. ANDREW VON ESCHENBACH OF TEXAS 09:32:46 TO BE COMMISSIONER OF FOOD AND DRUGS. 09:32:48 THE PRESIDENT PRO TEMPORE: THE MAJORITY LEADER IS RECOGNIZED. 09:32:53 MR. FRIST: MR. PRESIDENT, THIS MORNING THE SENATE WILL VOTE ON 09:32:55 THE MOTION TO INVOKE CLOTURE ON THE NOMINATION OF THE F.D.A. 09:33:01 COMMISSIONER, ANDREW VON ESCHENBACH. 09:33:02 SENATORS CAN EXPECT TO HAVE THIS VOTE AROUND 10:30 TO 10:45 THIS 09:33:08 MORNING FOLLOWING THE ONE HOUR OF DEBATE. 09:33:10 AS I MENTIONED YESTERDAY MORNING, THIS IS A VERY 09:33:13 IMPORTANT POSITION AND TO HAVE THIS CONFIRMATION FINALLY BEING 09:33:16 ACCOMPLISHED WILL BE A GREAT ACHIEVEMENT FOR TS CONGRESS. 09:33:19 ONCE CLOTURE HAS BEEN INVOKED WE WILL TRY TO SCHEDULE A VOTE ON 09:33:22 THE CONFIRMATION EARLY IN THE IN 09:33:26 THE DAY. THERE ARE SEVERAL CRITICAL ITEMS 09:33:28 THE SENATE MUST ACT ON BEFORE WE ADJOURN SINE DIE. 09:33:32 THEREFORE, SENATORS MUST ADJUST THEIR PLANS TO BE HERE AND 09:33:35 VOTING OVER THE COMING DAYSI WILL I APPRECIATE SENATORS' 09:33:41 WILLINGNESS TO WORK TOGETHER ON A NUMBER OF LEGISLATIVE AND 09:33:44 EXECUTIVE MATTERS. MR. REID: MR. PRESIDENT? 09:33:46 THE PRESIDENT PRO TEMPORE: THE MINORITY LEADER. 09:33:48 MR. REID: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. 09:33:52 ANDREW VON ESCHENBACH, WE'VE CLEARED ON THIS SIDE. 09:33:54 SO AS FAR AS WE'RE CONCERNED, THERE IS NO NEED FOR A CLOTURE 09:33:57 VOTE. WE LOOK FORWARD TO WORKING WITH 09:33:59 THE DISTINGUISHED MAJORITY LEADER TODAY AND MAYBE TOMORROW 09:34:03 AND MAYBE SATURDAY TO TRY TO GET AS MUCH COOPERATION OUT OF 09:34:08 SENATORS AS POSSIBLE. I KNOW THAT THE FINANCE FOLKS 09:34:10 HAVE WORKED LONG AND HARD TO TRY TO COME UP WITH SOMETHING THAT'S 09:34:13 VERY IMPORTANT FOR THE COUNTRY. WE'LL CONTINUE TO MONITOR THAT 09:34:16 AND DO EVERYTHING WE CAN TO MOVE THIS LEGISLATIVE AGENDA FORWARD. 09:34:22 THE PRESIDENT PRO TEMPORE: THE MAJORITY LEADER. 09:34:24 MR. FRIST: MR. PRESIDENT, I'LL BE VERY BRIEF. 09:34:25 I WANT TO SPEAK ON ANOTHER MATTER. 09:34:27 I KNOW WE WANT TO GET TO THE HOUR OF PRE-VOTE TIME HERE 09:34:35 SHORTLY. BUT I DID WANT TO -- AND I'LL 09:34:37 ENTER MY REMARKS IN THE RECORD, MY FORMAL REMARKS. 09:34:41 BUT TOMORROW DOES, HOPEFULLY TOMORROW WILL OFFICIALLY END THE 09:34:46 109th CONGRESS AT THE END OF THE DAY TOMORROW, IF WE DO OUR 09:34:50 WORK TODAY SUCCESSFULLY, AND TONIGHT THE SENATE WILL BE ABLE 09:34:56 TO ADJOURN. THAT WILL ALSO MARK THE OFFICIAL 09:34:59 CHANGE IN LEADERSHIP AND A CHANGE IN THE SENATE AGENDA. 09:35:03 I KNOW MANY OF MY COLLEAGUES AND MANY OF OUR MY CONSERVATIVE 09:35:08 ALLIES WITH A BIT OF TREPIDATION. 09:35:10 BUT CHANGE IS GOOD. CHANGE IS CONSTRUCTIVE. 09:35:16 IT CAN BE DIFFICULT, MESSY. BUT CHANGE FORCES US ALL TO 09:35:21 REEXAMINE WHO WE ARE, WHERE WE ARE AND WHERE WE WANT TO GO, 09:35:24 WHAT WE KNOW, WHAT WE BELIEVE. I BELIEVE IT IS OUR 09:35:26 RESPONSIBILITY TO PROTECT TRADITIONAL COMMON-SENSE 09:35:29 AMERICAN VALUES. I BELIEVE THAT WHEN WE GIVE THE 09:35:32 AMERICAN PEOPLE THE FREEDOM TO INVEST THEIR MONEY AS THEY 09:35:35 CHOOSE, THE ECONOMY IS GOING TO FLOURISH, IT IS GOING TO HAVE 09:35:39 MORE FREEDOM TO GROW. AT THE END OF THE DAY I BELIEVE 09:35:41 THAT GOOD LEADERS DON'T TALK ABOUT PRINCIPLES. 09:35:43 THEY DON'T TALK ABOUT THEM, BUT GOOD LEADERS LEAD ON PRINCIPLE. 09:35:47 AND THEY ACT, AND THEY ACT WITH SOLUTIONS. 09:35:50 EVEN IF THEY DON'T KNOW THAT THE OUTCOME IS GOING TO BE 100% 09:35:54 SUCCESSFUL EVERY TIME YOU TAKE A BILL TO THE FLOOR. 09:35:56 I THINK THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT AT LEAST I'VE TRIED TO DO, 09:36:02 IS NOT SAY LET'S JUST TAKE TO THE FLOOR WHAT WILL NECESSARILY 09:36:05 PASS, BUT WHAT IS THE RIGHT THING TO DO, ON PRINCIPLE. 09:36:09 WHAT IS THE RIGHT THING FOR US TO BE CONSIDERING. 09:36:12 DURING MY TENURE IN PUBLIC OFFICE, THAT'S WHAT I'VE TRIED 09:36:15 TO DO. THAT IS LEAD ON PRINCIPLE AND TO 09:36:20 ACT WITH SOLUTIONS. IT DOES COME WITH THAT SURGICAL 09:36:23 APPROACH OF FIXING THINGS, OF OPERATING, OF ACTION. 09:36:26 A COUPLE OF EXAMPLES IN TERMS OF LEADING ON PRINCIPLE, THE 09:36:31 INTERNATIONAL GAMBLING PROHIBITION ENFORCEMENT ACT, THE 09:36:35 ADAM WALSH CHILD PROTECTION AND SAFETY ACT LEGISLATION, 09:36:41 PROTECTING THE MOUNT SOLEDAD CROSS. 09:36:46 AND PERHAPS MOST NOTABLY WE CONFIRMED TWO SUPREME COURT 09:36:49 JUSTICES, 18 CIRCUIT COURT NOMINEES, 80 DISTRICT COURT 09:36:55 JUDGES. AMERICA NEEDS JUDGES WHO ARE 09:36:56 BALANCED, WHO ARE FAIR, WHO ARE INDEPENDENT, WHO ARE UNBIASED, 09:37:00 WHO ARE COMMITTED TO EQUAL JUSTICE UNDER THE LAW. 09:37:02 AND WE MAKE SURE THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT AMERICA HAS GOTTEN. 09:37:05 OVER THE PAST 12 YEARS, WHAT REPUBLICANS HAVE DONE IS CHANGED 09:37:08 OUR ECONOMY. IT HAS CHANGED OUR COUNTRY AND 09:37:11 CHANGED OUR WAY OF LIFE FOR THE BETTER. 09:37:14 OUR RECORD OF SUCCESS COMBINED WITH THE LESSONS THAT WE ALL 09:37:18 LEARNED IN NOVEMBER'S ELECTIONS ENSURES THAT OUR PARTY WILL 09:37:22 REDEDICATE ITSELF TO SERVING THE INTEREST OF AMERICA BOTH HERE AT 09:37:27 HOME AS WELL AS AROUND THE WORLD. 09:37:30 THAT VISION WHICH IS OPTIMISTIC, WHICH IS FORWARD-LOOKING, WHICH 09:37:34 IS HOPEFUL, IS GROUNDED IN THE FUNDAMENTALS OF COMMON-SENSE 09:37:38 CONSERVATIVE VALUES BEST FOUND ON MAIN STREET AND IN FAMILIES 09:37:42 THAT WE HAVE THE PRIVILEGE OF INTERACTING WITH ALL ACROSS THIS 09:37:45 COUNTRY. MR. PRESIDENT, I HAVE A FORMAL 09:37:49 STATEMENT THAT I WOULD AT THIS POINT LIKE TO HAVE ENTERED BY 09:37:54 UNANIMOUS CONSENT INTO THE RECORD AS IF READ. 09:37:55 THE PRESIDENT PRO TEMPORE: WITHOUT OBJECTION, SO ORDERED. 09:37:58 UNDER THE PREVIOUS ORDER, THERE WILL BE 60 MINUTES FOR DEBATE 09:38:00 PRIOR TO CLOTURE VOTE WITH THE TIME DIVIDED AS FOLLOWS: THE 09:38:04 SENATOR FROM WYOMING, MR. ENZI OR HIS DESIGNEE, 30 MINUTES. 09:38:10 THE SENATOR FROM IOWA, MR. GRASSLEY, 20 MINUTES. 09:38:13 THE SENATOR FROM LOUISIANA, MR. VITTER, 10 MINUTES. 09:38:16 WHO YIELDS TIME WHO YIELDS TIME? THE SENATOR FROM WYOMING. 09:38:28 MR. ENZI: MR. PRESIDENT, THANK YOU. 09:38:30 I RISE TO DISCUSS THE PENDING NOMINATION OF DR. ANDREW VON 09:38:34 ESCHENBACH TO BE THE COMMISSIONER OF FOOD AND DRUGS. 09:38:36 THE F.D.A. HAS A VERY BROAD AND CRITICAL MISSION IN PROTECTING 09:38:39 OUR PUBLIC HEALTH. THE COMMISSIONER OF FOOD AND 09:38:42 DRUGS IS IN CHARGE OF AN AGENCY THAT REGULATES $1 TRILLION WORTH 09:38:49 OF PRODUCTS A YEAR. THE F.D.A. ENSURES THE SAFETY 09:38:52 AND EFFECTIVENESS OF ALL DRUGS, BIOLOGICAL PRODUCTS SUCH AS 09:38:58 VACCINES, MEDICAL DEVICES AND ANIMAL DRUGS AND FEED. 09:39:01 LET ME REPEAT THAT AGAIN. THE SAFETY AND EFFECTIVENESS OF 09:39:05 ALL DRUGS, BIOLOGICAL PRODUCTS SUCH AS VACCINES, MEDICAL 09:39:10 DEVICES, ANIMAL DRUGS AND FEED. IT ALSO OVERSEES THE SAFETY OF A 09:39:16 VAST VARIETY OF FOOD PRODUCTS AS WELL AS MEDICAL AND CONSUMER 09:39:20 PRODUCTS, INCLUDING COSMETICS. AS COMMISSIONER OF FOOD AND 09:39:25 DRUGS, DR. VON ESCHENBACH WILL BE RESPONSIBLE FOR ADVANCING THE 09:39:29 PUBLIC HEALTH BY HELPING TO SPEED INNOVATIONS IN ITS MISSION 09:39:32 AREAS AND BY HELPING THE PUBLIC GET ACCURATE, SCIENCE-BASED 09:39:35 INFORMATION ON MEDICINES AND FOODS. 09:39:38 DR. VON ESCHENBACH HAS A STRONG RECORD. 09:39:39 HE'S AN ACCOMPLISHED SCIENTIST, A PROVEN MANAGER AND A MAN WITH 09:39:44 A VISION. HE'S ALSO A CANCER SURVIVOR AND 09:39:47 HE'S BROUGHT THAT PER -- PERSPECTIVE AND THE PASSION THAT 09:39:53 GOES WITH IT TO HIS GOVERNMENT SERVICES. 09:39:56 HE GAVE UP A JOB HE LOVED, DIRECTING THE NATIONAL CANCER 09:40:00 INSTITUTE, TO OFFER HIS SERVICE, WHAT I BELIEVE IS A MUCH MORE 09:40:03 CHALLENGING AND DEFINITELY THANKLESS JOB OF LEADING THE 09:40:06 F.D.A. THE F.D.A. HAS BEEN WITHOUT A 09:40:09 CONFIRMED COMMISSIONER FOR ALL BUT 18 MONTHS OF THE LAST FIVE 09:40:13 AND A HALF YEARS. EVER SEE A BUSINESS THAT COULD 09:40:16 RUN FOR FIVE AND A HALF YEARS WITHOUT HAVING A BOSS EXCEPT FOR 09:40:20 18 MONTHS? AND THAT WAS A TENUOUS 18 09:40:24 MONTHS. I THINK WE CAN ALL AGREE THAT WE 09:40:26 NEED A STRONG LEADER AT THE F.D.A. NOW AND ONE WHO HAS A 09:40:30 MANDATE TO ACT. HE NEEDS FULL AUTHORITY TO BRING 09:40:32 BACK THE MORALE OF THE DEPARTMENT AND TO GET THE JOB 09:40:36 DONE. WE MUST BE FORWARD-LOOKING. 09:40:39 THERE ARE MANY ITEMS BEFORE THE F.D.A. THAT REQUIRE THE 09:40:42 IMMEDIATE ATTENTION OF THE F.D.A. COMMISSIONER VESTED WITH 09:40:49 FULL AUTHORITY. BUT THAT AUTHORITY FLOWS 09:40:51 DIRECTLY FROM THE ACT OF SENATE CONFIRMATION. 09:40:53 WITHOUT A SENATE-CONFIRMED LEADER, WE CAN'T EXPECT THE 09:40:56 F.D.A. TO BE AS EFFECTIVE AS WE NEED IT TO BE. 09:40:59 I URGE MY COLLEAGUES TO CONSIDER THIS. 09:41:01 I KNOW THAT SOME OF MY COLLEAGUES ON AND OFF THE 09:41:03 COMMITTEE ARE NOT COMPLETELY SATISFIED WITH THEIR 09:41:06 INTERACTIONS WITH THE F.D.A. DURING DR. VON ESCHENBACH'S 09:41:11 TENURE. SOME WOULD URGE THAT THE F.D.A. 09:41:12 MOVE QUICKLY ON CERTAIN MATTERS BEFORE IT. 09:41:14 HOWEVER, I'M NOT SURE THAT HOLDING UP A NOMINATION OVER 09:41:17 SINGLE PRODUCTS OR SINGLE ISSUES IS THE RIGHT WAY TO ACHIEVE 09:41:20 FASTER ACTION. AND TO ENSURE THAT AGENCY 09:41:22 PROCESSES ARE FREE FROM THE PRESSURE OF POLITICS. 09:41:25 IN FACT, I STRONGLY BELIEVE THAT THE OPPOSITE WOULD OCCUR. 09:41:28 I THINK THIS IS A POSITION THAT HAS MORE CATCH-22'S THAN ANY 09:41:32 OTHER POSITION IN GOVERNMENT. I DO RESPECT THE RIGHT OF MY 09:41:36 COLLEAGUES TO DISAGREE WITH THE PRESIDENT'S CHOICE FOR THIS 09:41:38 POSITION OR THE POLICIES THAT A PRESIDENT'S NOMINEE MIGHT 09:41:42 PURSUE. IF OUR DISAGREEMENTS WITH THE 09:41:44 PRESIDENT'S CHOICE ARE SO STRONG, WE OUGHT TO VOTE AGAINST 09:41:48 THE NOMINEE. BUT IN LIGHT OF THE $1 TRILLION 09:41:52 WORTH OF DRUGS AND PRODUCTS OVERSEEN BY THE F.D.A. AND 09:41:55 HUNDREDS OF DRUG APPROVALS REVIEWED EVERY YEAR, I THINK WE 09:41:58 WOULD BE SETTING A DANGEROUS PRECEDENT IF ANY OF US HOLD UP 09:42:03 THE PRESIDENT'S CHOICE FOR F.D.A. COMMISSIONER OVER 09:42:07 DECISIONS MADE SROFPG ONE PRODUCT OR ONE ISSUE OR 09:42:11 SOMETHING EXTRANEOUS EVEN TO THE FOOD AND DRUG ADMINISTRATION. 09:42:15 IT WOULD BE AN ESPECIALLY DANGEROUS PRECEDENT AT THIS 09:42:17 POINT. WE HAVE A LOT ON OUR PLATE WITH 09:42:19 RESPECT TO THE F.D.A. DURING THE 110th CONGRESS. 09:42:22 WE HAVE TO REAUTHORIZE BOTH THE DRUG AND DEVICE USER FEE 09:42:26 PROGRAMS, ADDRESSING TWO EXPIRING PEDIATRIC PROGRAMS AND 09:42:30 IMPROVE OUR DRUG SAFETY SYSTEM. THE F.D.A. NEEDS A LEADER WITH 09:42:32 THE BACKING AND THE MANDATE THAT SENATE CONFIRMATION PROVIDES IN 09:42:36 ORDER TO BE OUR PARTNER IN THESE EFFORTS. 09:42:40 DR. VON ESCHENBACH RECEIVED SIGNIFICANT SUPPORT FROM THE 09:42:42 "HELP" COMMITTEE. THIS MAN COULD SERVE PATIENTS IN 09:42:45 MANY DIFFERENT WAYS AND HAS OFFERED TO SERVE THEM BY RUNNING 09:42:48 THIS CRITICALLY IMPORTANT AGENCY. 09:42:51 I'M TALKING ABOUT A DOCTOR WITH CANCER EXPERTISE, MANAGEMENT 09:42:57 EXPERTISE, VISION WHO HAS AGREED -- WHO HAS AGREED -- TO RUN THIS 09:43:00 AGENCY AT WHAT WE PAY BECAUSE HE WANTS TO GIVE BACK TO HIS 09:43:04 COUNTRY. I URGE MY COLLEAGUES WHO ARE NOT 09:43:06 ON OUR COMMITTEE TO GIVE DR. VON ESCHENBACH A CHANCE TO 09:43:09 EFFECTIVELY RUN THE F.D.A. WITH FULL STATUTORY AUTHORITY. 09:43:12 SO I URGE MY COLLEAGUES TO ACCEPT THE PRESIDENT'S NOMINEE, 09:43:17 DR. ANDREW VON ESCHENBACH AND TO VOTE TO CONFIRM HIM AS THE NEXT 09:43:20 COMMISSIONER OF FOOD AND DRUGS. VOTING "YES" ON THIS CLOTURE 09:43:24 VOTE WILL BE THE FIRST STEP IN MOVING TOWARDS A PERMANENT HEAD 09:43:27 TO OVERSEE THE SAFETY OF OUR NATION'S FOOD AND DRUG SYSTEM. 09:43:30 I WOULD YIELD THE FLOOR. THE PRESIDENT PRO TEMPORE: THE 09:43:33 SENATOR RESERVES THE BALANCE OF HIS TIME? 09:43:35 MR. ENZI: I WOULD RESERVE THE BALANCE OF MY TIME. 09:43:38 THE PRESIDENT PRO TEMPORE: THE SENATOR FROM A EU A EUFPLT. 09:43:40 MR. GRASSLEY: YES. MY OPPOSITION TO CLOTURE MOTION 09:43:46 IS AS MUCH ABOUT WHETHER WE'RE GOING TO FULFILL OUR 09:43:50 RESPONSIBILITIES OVER THE LEGISLATIVE BRANCH OF GOVERNMENT 09:43:52 AS IT IS ABOUT THE PARTICULAR QUALIFICATIONS OF THE NOMINEE. 09:43:55 I INTEND TO VOTE AGAINST CLOTURE. 09:43:58 AND I WOULD HOPE THAT DEMOCRATS WHO ARE LISTENING, PARTICULARLY 09:44:00 THOSE DEMOCRATS IN THE LAST ELECTION WHO ARE BELLY ACHING 09:44:05 BECAUSE THERE WASN'T ENOUGH OVERSIGHT ON THE PART OF 09:44:08 REPUBLICANS TOWARDS THE EXECUTIVE BRANCH OF GOVERNMENT 09:44:11 WOULD PAY ATTENTION TO THE FACT THAT THIS NOMINEE HAS SOMETHING 09:44:16 TO DO WITH, AND IS AN ILLUSTRATION OF THE LACK OF 09:44:21 COOPERATION ON THE PART OF THE EXECUTIVE BRANCH TO COOPERATE 09:44:25 WITH CONGRESS ON THE ISSUE OF CONGRESSIONAL OVERSIGHT. 09:44:29 I HAVE SERIOUS CONCERNS ABOUT WHAT THIS CLOTURE VOTE MEANS 09:44:32 THEN TO CONGRESSIONAL OVERSIGHT OF THE EXECUTIVE BRANCH NOW AND 09:44:36 IN THE FUTURE AND WHAT IT MEANS FOR MEMBERS LIKE ME WHO PLACED A 09:44:44 HOLD ON THIS NOMINEE, AND THIS WAS NOT A SECRET HOLD. 09:44:48 I MADE THIS HOLD PUBLIC. I'M VOTING AGAINST CLOTURE AND 09:44:52 ASK MY COLLEAGUES TO JOIN ME BECAUSE I BELIEVE WE NEED TO 09:44:54 SEND A MESSAGE TO THE EXECUTIVE BRANCH THAT IT'S NOT OKAY TO 09:45:00 IMPEDE CONGRESSIONAL INVESTIGATIONS. 09:45:01 IT'S NOT OKAY TO LIMIT THE SENATE'S ACCESS TO DOCUMENTS, 09:45:07 INFORMATION, AND EMPLOYEES OF THE EXECUTIVE BRANCH. 09:45:11 IN HIS BOOK ON CONGRESSIONAL GOVERNMENT WOODROW WILSON, 09:45:16 BEFORE HE WAS PRESIDENT, WHEN HE WAS A PROFESSOR AT PRINCETON, 09:45:19 WROTE IN 1885, "QUITE AS IMPORTANT AS LAW-MAKING IS 09:45:28 VIGILANT OVERSIGHT OF THE ADMINISTRATION." 09:45:31 OUR WORK AS LAWMAKERS DOES NOT END WITH THE PASSAGE OF A BILL. 09:45:36 THIS BODY HAS A RESPONSIBILITY TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE TO MAKE 09:45:40 SURE THAT LAWS WORK AND THEY'RE BEING IMPLEMENTED EFFECTIVELY, 09:45:45 EFFICIENTLY, ECONOMICALLY. CONGRESSIONAL OVERSIGHT SERVES 09:45:51 VERY IMPORTANT GOALS AND WE SHOULD NOT LOSE SIGHT. 09:45:54 THEY INCLUDE REVIEWING ACTIONS TAKEN AND REGULATIONS ADOPTED BY 09:45:58 THE EXECUTIVE AGENCIES TO MAKE SURE THAT THE AGENCIES ARE 09:46:03 EXECUTING LAW ACCORDING TO INTENT OF CONGRESS. 09:46:07 SECOND, ENSURING THAT THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT IS NOT 09:46:08 WASTING TAXPAYERS' DOLLARS. OVERSIGHT WORK ALLOWS US TO 09:46:14 EVALUATE THE ABILITY OF AGENCIES AND MANAGERS TO CARRY OUT 09:46:19 PROGRAM OBJTIVES AND IMPROVE THE EFFICIENCY, EFFECTIVENESS 09:46:24 AND ECONOMY OF GOVERNMENT PROGRAMS. 09:46:28 NEXT, ENSURING THAT EXECUTIVE POLICIES REFLECT THE PUBLIC 09:46:33 INTEREST. THAT PUBLIC INTEREST IS 09:46:37 EXPRESSED IN LAWS OF CONGRESS. AND LASTLY, PROTECTING THE 09:46:40 RIGHTS AND LIBERTIES OF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE. 09:46:42 WOODROW WILSON ALSO SAID IN HIS BOOK -- QUOTE -- "IT IS THE 09:46:45 PROPER DUTY OF A REPRESENTATIVE BODY TO LOOK DILIGENTLY INTO 09:46:50 EVERY AFFAIR OF GOVERNMENT AND TO TALK MUCH ABOUT WHAT IT SEES. 09:46:55 IT IS MEANT TO BE THE EYES, THE VOICE, AND EMBODY THE WISDOM AND 09:46:59 THE WILL OF ITS CONSTITUENTS." IN AMERICA, WITH OUR GOVERNMENT, 09:47:05 THE PUBLIC'S BUSINESS OUGHT TO BE PUBLIC. 09:47:07 BUT WHEN YOU HAVE COVERUPS AND THE LACK OFNFORMATION GOING TO 09:47:12 CONGRESS, AS DEMONSTRATED BY THIS REQUEST FOR DOCUMENTS -- 09:47:18 AND WE GET A PAGE BACK FROM THE AGENCY WITH 57 PAGES REMOVED. 09:47:22 NOW, WHAT'S IN THOSE 57 PAGES THAT WE OUGHT TO HAVE ACCESS TO? 09:47:27 AS JUST ONE EXAMPLE OF LACK OF INFORMATION AND LACK OF 09:47:33 COOPERATION FROM THIS AGENCY. THROUGHOUT HISTORY, CONGRESS HAS 09:47:38 ENGAGED IN OVERSIGHT OF THE EXECUTIVE BRANCH, THE RIGHT TO 09:47:44 CONGRESSIONAL OVERSIGHT HAS BEEN ASSERTED FROM EARLIEST DAYS OF 09:47:46 OUR REPUBLIC. 1792 HOUSE INVOKED ITS AUTHORITY 09:47:54 TO CONDUCT OVERSIGHT WHEN IT APPOINTED A COMMITTEE TO 09:47:56 INVESTIGATE THE DEFEAT OF GENERAL SAINT CLAIRE AND HIS 09:47:58 ARMY BY INDIANS IN THE NORTHWEST AND EMPOWERED -- QUOTE -- "CALL 09:48:03 FOR SUCH PERSONS, PAPERS AND RECORDS AS MAY BE NECESSARY FOR 09:48:08 THAT INQUIRY." IN FACT, THE CONSTITUTION GRANTS 09:48:13 CONGRESS EXPENSIVE -- EXTENSIVE AUTHORITY TO OVERSEE AND 09:48:17 INVESTIGATE EXECUTIVE BRANCH ACTIVITIES. 09:48:21 CONGRESSIONAL OVERSIGHT WAS ALSO RECOGNIZED EXPLICITLY IN THE 09:48:24 PASSAGE OF THE LEGISLATIVE REORGANIZATION ACT OF 1946, 09:48:29 WHICH REQUIRED THE STANDING COMMITTEES OF CONGRESS TO 09:48:32 EXERCISE -- QUOTE -- "CONTINUOUS WATCHFULNESS" OVER PROGRAMS AND 09:48:38 AGENCIES IN THEIR JURISDICTION. NUMEROUS SUPREME COURT DECISIONS 09:48:43 WILL SUPPORT ALL THE PRECEDENCE FOR CONGRESS TO SEE ALL ASPECTS 09:48:47 OF THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT. IN 1927, McBRAIN Vs. 09:48:53 DOEHERTY. THE SUPREME COURT UPHELD 09:48:55 CONGRESSIONAL AUTHORITY TO CONDUCT OVERSIGHT TEAPOT DOME 09:49:01 SCANDAL. JUSTICE VANDERVANNER WRITING FOR 09:49:03 THE UNANIMOUS COURT -- QUOTE -- "WE ARE 09:49:05 OF THE OPINION THAT THE POWER OF INQUIRY WITH THE 09:49:10 PROCESS TO ENFORCE IT IS AN ESSENTIAL AND APPROPRIATE 09:49:14 AUXILIARY TO THE LEGISLATIVE FUNCTION." 09:49:17 TO DO OVERSIGHT, CONGRESS NEEDS ACCESS TO INFORMATION AND PEOPLE 09:49:20 IN THE EXECUTIVE BRANCH AND THAT IS WHAT I DID -- THAT IS WHAT I 09:49:25 DID NOT AND STILL AM NOT GETTING FROM THE F.D.A. UNDER THE 09:49:30 LEADERSHIP OF DR. VON ESCHENBACH, AS AN EXAMPLE. 09:49:34 47 PAGES REMOVED. ANOTHER EXAMPLE. 09:49:40 43 PAGES REMOVED. NOW, HOW ARE YOU GOING TO 09:49:42 CONDUCT OVERSIGHT WHEN YOU GET ANSWERS LIKE THAT FROM THE FOOD 09:49:47 AND DRUG ADMINISTRATION? SO I TAKE EXCEPTION TO THE 09:49:51 STATEMENT MADE IN SUPPORT OF THE CLOTURE MOTION. 09:49:55 PEOPLE OUGHT TO BESHAMED OF SAYING DR. ANDREW VON ESCHENBACH 09:50:00 HAS DONE A SUPERB JOB IN THE POSITION HE IS CURRENTLY 09:50:05 OCCUPYING. WITH AN ANSWER LIKE THAT TO THE 09:50:06 CONGRESS OF THE UNITED STATES, THAT'S AN INSULT. 09:50:10 BEFORE YOU CAST YOUR VOTE IN FAVOR OF CLOTURE, CONSIDER 09:50:15 WHAT'S AT STAKE HERE, AND PARTICULARLY PEOPLE ON THE OTHER 09:50:18 SIDE OF THE AISLE WHO DURING THE CAMPAIGN, IN CAMPAIGN COMMERCIAL 09:50:22 AFTER CAMPAIGN COMMERCIAL AFTER CAMPAIGN COMMERCIAL SAID 09:50:26 CONGRESS IS NOT DOING ITS JOB OF OVERSIGHT, IMPLYING THAT 09:50:29 REPUBLICANS WERE COVERING UP WRONGDOING BY THE 09:50:36 ADMINISTRATION. IF YOU WANT TO PRESERVE YOUR 09:50:39 ACCESS TO INFORMATION TO DO THE OVERSIGHT THAT YOU THINK YOU'RE 09:50:42 GOING TO DO WHEN YOU'RE IN THE MAJORITY AND YOU GET ANSWERS 09:50:45 LIKE THAT BACK, YOU THINK YOU'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO DO THE JOB 09:50:50 OF OVERSIGHT THAT YOU'RE DOING. MY INTERACTIONS WITH THE 09:50:57 DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH AND HUMAN SERVICES AND THE F.D.A. THESE 09:50:59 LAST EIGHT MONTHS, I'VE SEEN A COMPLETE AND UTTER DISRESPECT 09:51:04 FOR CONGRESSIONAL AUTHORITY AND, HENCE, THE LAW. 09:51:08 THE DEPARTMENT AND THE FOOD AND DRUG ADMINISTRATION HAS 09:51:10 REPEATEDLY FAILED TO ACT IN GOOD FAITH IN RESPONDING TO 09:51:14 CONGRESSIONAL INVESTIGATIONS, AND THE LACK OF 43 PAGES IS JUST 09:51:19 ONE EXAMPLE. THIS DIRECTOR'S LEADERSHIP UNDER 09:51:29 IT AT THE F.D.A. HAS FAILED TO FULLY COMPLY WITH TWO 09:51:32 CONGRESSIONAL SUBPOAS THAT WERE ISSUED SEVEN MONTHS AGO. 09:51:37 EFFORTS TO ACCOMMODATE THE AGENCY'S CONCERNS FALL ON DEAF 09:51:39 EARS AND I WONDER IF I'M DEALING WITH DYSFUNCTION BY DESIGN. 09:51:45 NOT ONLY HAS THE F.D.A. WITHHELD DOCUMENTS THAT DO NOT APPEAR TO 09:51:49 BE PRIVILEGED, BUT IT ALSO SAYS WHAT HAS BEEN WITHHELD AND WHY. 09:51:55 THE SUBPOENA COMPEL A PRIVILEGED LAW BUT THE F.D.A. HAS NOT 09:51:59 PROVIDED US WITH THAT PRIVILEGED LOG. 09:52:04 SO FOR DEMOCRATS IN THE MAJORITY NEXT YEAR DOING THE OVERSIGHT 09:52:10 THAT THEY SAID THAT THEY WERE GOING TO DO BECAUSE REPUBLICANS 09:52:16 WEREN'T DOING IT, THEN LET ME ASK YOU THIS. 09:52:18 ARE YOU GOING TO BE ABLE TO CONDUCT OVERSIGHT WHEN YOU GET 09:52:22 ANSWERS LIKE THAT? ARE YOU GOING TO BE ABLE TO 09:52:24 CONDUCT OVERSIGHT WHEN FOR SEVEN MONTHS YOU DON'T GET YOUR 09:52:27 SUBPOENAS RESPONDED TO? SO WHAT IS THE AGENCY'S 09:52:33 EXPLANATION? THE F.D.A. HAS THAT SAID SO MANY 09:52:35 DOCUMENTS HAVE WITHHELD THAT IT IS UNDULY BURDENSOME TO PROVIDE 09:52:40 A PRIVILEGED LAW. EVEN IN THE F.D.A. GENERAL 09:52:46 COUNSEL AS RECENTLY AS TUESDAY OF THIS WEEK COULD NOT SEE WHY 09:52:49 THE AGENCY NEEDED TO COMPLY WITH THE LAW AND THE TERMS OF THE 09:52:54 SUBPOENA ISSUED BY THE COMMITTEE. 09:52:56 IN DENYING THE COMMITTEE ACCESS TO THE DOCUMENTS RESPONSIVE TO 09:53:00 THE SUBPOENA, THE DEPARTMENT AND THE FOOD AND DRUG ADMINISTRATION 09:53:05 HAVE CLAIMED -- QUOTE -- "PROSECUTORIAL DELIBERATIVE 09:53:11 PROCESS" OR "CONFIDENTIAL COMMUNICATIONS" OR "AGENCY 09:53:14 PREROGATIVE TO DETERMINE WHO WILL BE INTERVIEWED AND TESTIFY 09:53:21 BEFORE A JURISDICTIONAL COMMITTEE." 09:53:23 NOW, WHEN YOU GET ANSWERS LIKE THAT, YOU ON THE OTHER SIDE OF 09:53:26 THE AISLE WHEN YOU'RE GOING TO BE IN THE MAJORITY, WHAT ARE YOU 09:53:29 GOING TO DO ABOUT IT? ARE YOU GOING TO KEEP YOUR 09:53:31 COMMITMENT TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE WHEN YOU WON THE 09:53:34 MAJORITY, AND ARE YOU GOING TO BE ABLE TO DO THE OVERSIGHT WHEN 09:53:36 YOU GET RATIONALES LIKE "PROSECUTORIAL DELIBERATIVE 09:53:41 PROCESS" "CONFIDENTIAL COMMUNICATION," "AGENCY 09:53:46 PREROGATIVE?" I COULD NOT TALK TO A LINE AGENT 09:53:49 NAMED "WES" BECAUSE YOU CAN'T TALK TO LINE AGENTS, WHEN THREE 09:53:54 MONTHS BEFORE I TALKED TO LINE AGENTS. 09:53:57 BEFORE THE JUDICIARY COMMITTEE, THERE WAS SOMEBODY THERE FROM 09:53:59 THE JUDICIARY -- FROM THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT WHEN SENATOR 09:54:03 KENNEDY SAID, I WANT ACCESS TO LINE AGENTS, UNRELATED TO WHAT 09:54:07 I'M TALKING ABOUT HERE, BECAUSE LINE AGENT WES THAT I WANTED TO 09:54:11 TALK TO, I WAS TOLD I COULDN'T TALK TO BECAUSE YOU CAN'T TALK 09:54:15 TO LINE AGENTS. THE OFFICIAL AT THE JUSTICE 09:54:17 DEPARTMENT SAID TO SENATOR KENNEDY, YOU CAN TALK TO LINE 09:54:20 AGENTS, WE'LL GET THEM FOR YOU. NOW, I DON'T KNOW WHETHER THAT 09:54:25 EVER HAPPENED OR NOT BUT THAT'S THE ANSWER HE GOT. 09:54:27 SO WHEN I GOT AROUND TO DOING MY QUESTIONING OF THAT JUSTICE 09:54:31 DEPARTMENT OFFICIAL, I SAID, WELL, WHAT ABOUT MY ABILITY TO 09:54:34 TALK TO LINE AGENT WES? WELL, IT JUST SEEMED LIKE I WAS 09:54:37 GOING TO BE ABLE TO TALK TO LINE AGENT WES. 09:54:39 BUT YET THIS VERY DAY, THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT IS ADVISING 09:54:45 THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR THAT WE CAN'T TALK TO LINE AGENT 09:54:49 WES, WHICH IS KEY TO WHETHER OR NOT SOME OF THESE INVESTIGATIONS 09:54:53 ARE ALLOWING DANGEROUS DRUGS ON THE MARKET. 09:54:58 AND IN CEDAR RAPIDS, IOWA, I HAVE A FAMILY THAT LOST AN 09:55:02 18-YEAR-OLD BECAUSE OF A DRUG THAT WAS ON THE MARKET -- NOT ON 09:55:07 THE MARKET NOW. THAT WAS ON THE MARKET THEN. 09:55:11 IT SEEMS TO ME IF YOU'RE CONCERNED ABOUT THE SAFETY OF 09:55:13 DRUGS, THIS INFORMATION IS IMPORTANT. 09:55:17 AND IF YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE IT COVERED UP IN THE F.D.A., THAT 09:55:23 YOU AREN'T PROTECTING THE PUBLIC. 09:55:25 AND IF CONGRESSMEN KNOW ABOUT IT, YOU AREN'T DOING YOUR JOB OF 09:55:28 OVERSIGHT. THIS PAST SUMMER, I ASKED THE 09:55:35 CONGRESSIONAL RESEARCH SERVICE TO LOOK INTO THE DEPARTMENT'S 09:55:38 POLICIES REGARDING THIS MATTER, AND C.R.S. TOLD ME THAT THERE IS 09:55:42 -- QUOTE -- "NO LEGAL BASIS" FOR THE DEPARTMENT'S EXECUTIVE 09:55:47 BRANCH ASSERTIONS. THE LEGAL ANALYSIS PROVIDED BY 09:55:51 C.R.S. SUPPORTS THE COMMITTEE'S POSITION THAT THESE EXECUTIVE 09:55:54 AGENCY CLAIMS HAVE BEEN CONSISTENTLY REJECTED AND 09:55:58 COMPLIANCE WITH CONGRESSIONAL REQUESTS IN THE PAST HAS BEEN 09:56:02 FORTHCOMING. C.R.S. CITES NUMEROUS COURT 09:56:05 CASES WHICH ESTABLISH AND SUPPORT CONGRESS'S POWER TO 09:56:08 ENGAGE IN OVERSIGHT AND INVESTIGATION ACTIVITIES AND ITS 09:56:13 ACCESS TO EXECUTIVE BRANCH PERSONNEL AND DOCUMENTS IN 09:56:16 CARRYING OUT OUR POWERS OF OVERSIGHT. 09:56:18 THE DEPARTMENT, H.H.S., F.D.A., WITHIN H.H.S. SAYS IT HAS BEEN 09:56:26 RESPONSIVE BECAUSE THE AGENCY MADE AVAILABLE HUNDREDS OF 09:56:29 THOUSANDS, EVEN MILLIONS OF PAGES OF DOCUMENTS TO THE 09:56:32 FINANCE COMMITTEE IN RESPONSE TO SUBPOENAS. 09:56:34 BUT THE AGENCY CAN GIVE ME -- BUT THE AGENCY CAN GIVE ME ALL 09:56:38 THE BOOKS AND ALL THE DOCUMENTS HOUSED AT THE LIBRARY OF 09:56:40 CONGRESS AND IT WON'T MATTER IF IT'S NOT WHAT I'VE ASKED FOR AND 09:56:45 THE PAGES ARE REMOVED. IT IS THIS TYPE OF COOPERATION 09:56:50 THAT I'M GETTING UNDER THIS DIRECTOR THAT YOU'RE NOW GOING 09:56:52 TO CONFIRM. I'M VERY CONCERNED ABOUT THE 09:56:59 COOPERATION, IF ANY, THAT WE HAVE ONCE HE BECOMES A PERMANENT 09:57:04 COMMISSIONER. AND EVERY MEMBER OF CONGRESS 09:57:05 SHOULD BE EQUALLY CONCERNED IF THEY TAKE THEIR CONSTITUTIONAL 09:57:08 DUTY OF CONDUCTING OVERSIGHT OF THE EXECUTIVE BRANCH SERIOUSLY 09:57:13 AND, MOST IMPORTANTLY, TO THE NEW MAJORITY. 09:57:16 WHEN YOU'RE GOING TO CARRY OUT YOUR CAMPAIGN PROMISES TO MAKE 09:57:19 SURE THAT THERE'S PROPER OVERSIGHT, CHECKS AND BALANCES 09:57:23 AGAINST AN EXECUTIVE BRANCH OF GOVERNMENT YOU THINK'S EXCEEDING 09:57:26 AUTHORITY. IF THIS IS THE TYPE, EVERY 09:57:40 MEMBER SHOULD BE CONCERNED. I CANNOT EMPHASIZE THIS ENOUGH, 09:57:45 BUT A VOTE FOR CLOTURE TODAY IS A VOTE AGAINST OVERSIGHT AND 09:57:49 THAT IS NOT WHAT THIS SENATE SHOULD BE DOING AND IT IS NOT 09:57:52 WHAT THE AMERICAN PEOPLE SENT US HERE TO DO. 09:57:56 WE NEED TO STEP UP CONGRESSIONAL OVERSIGHT TO PROTECT OUR 09:58:00 NATION'S SYSTEMS OF CHECKS AND BALANCES AND NOT REWARD THOSE 09:58:04 WHO SEEK TO IMPEDE OUR CONSTITUTIONAL AUTHORITY. 09:58:08 THIS BODY SHOULD NOT WALK HAND IN HAND WITH THE EXECUTIVE 09:58:12 BRANCH AND SIT IDLY BY AS INSTANCES OF WASTE, FRAUD AND 09:58:18 ABUSE CONTINUE TO ENDANGER THE HEALTH AND SAFETY OF THE 09:58:21 AMERICAN PEOPLE. THIS SENATE NEEDS TO MAKE IT 09:58:24 CLEAR TO THE EXECUTIVE BRANCH THAT CONGRESS TAKES ITS 09:58:28 OVERSIGHT RESPONSIBILITIES SERIOUSLY AND TO VOTE AGAINST 09:58:31 CLOTURE. AND IF WE DO HAVE CLOTURE, I 09:58:32 WILL HAVE OTHER REMARKS DURING POST-CLOTURE DEBATE. 09:58:39 A SENATOR: MADAM PRESIDENT? THE PRESIDING OFFICER: THE 09:58:41 SENATOR FROM WYOMING. MR. ENZI: I WANT TO JUST BRIEFLY 09:58:47 MAKE A COMMENT HERE BECAUSE I UNDERSTAND THE SENATOR'S 09:58:53 FRUSTRATION. I'VE BEEN WORKING WITH HIM TO 09:58:54 TRY TO GET DOCUMENTS, TRYING TO GET THE INTERVIEW WITH MR. WES. 09:59:00 I WANT YOU TO PUT YOURSELF IN DR. HERB BOCK'S POSITION. 09:59:04 HE IS NOT CONFIRMED. HE DOES NOT HAVE FULL AUTHORITY 09:59:06 TO RUN THAT DEPARTMENT. SO WHAT HE HAS TO DO IS RELY ON 09:59:08 THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE, A

09:00:00 MANY MONTHS TO GET THAT MONEY OUT. 09:00:01 >> HAD THERE EVER BEEN ANOTHER INSTANCE OF WHERE THE SYSTEM HAD 09:00:07 BEEN DISABLED? >> WE'RE NOT AWARE OF ANY. 09:00:11 .. >> IF THEY USE CHASEPOINT, I'M 09:00:53 NOT SAYING THEY CAN ELIMINATE FRAUD BUT CAN MAKE A SIGNIFICANT 09:00:56 DENT IN FRAUD, WASTE AND ABUSE BY UP IMPLEMENTING MAIN OF THOSE 09:01:00 CONTROLS PEOPLE FEMA OR OTHER ONES THIS DO -- CHOICE POINT 09:01:05 DOES, IMPLEMENTING THE CONTROLS. >> I STILL GO BACK TO THE POINT, 09:01:08 YOU CAN TALK ABOUT CONTROLS, YOU CAN WRITE THEM DOWN ON A PIECE 09:01:12 OF PAPER BUT SOMEBODY NEEDS TO TEST THESE CONTROLS, BECAUSE, 09:01:17 QUITE HONESTLY IT IS LIKE EVERYTHING ELSE, YOU CAN SAY YOU 09:01:20 FOUND THE PROPERTY BUT UNTIL YOU TOUCH IT YOU REALLY DON'T KNOW 09:01:22 IF YOU HAVE IT AND IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, YOU TAN CAULK 09:01:26 ABOUT THE CONTROL BUT I REALLY THINK THERE HAS TO BE SOME TYPE 09:01:29 OF AN AGREEMENT WHERE SOMEONE WILL ACTUALLY COME IN AND TEST 09:01:33 WHAT YOU ARE ACTUALLY PUTTING ON A PIECE OF PAPER AND UNTIL THAT 09:01:36 IS DONE, I'M NOT REALLY HAPPY THAT IT WILL BE SATISFACTORY. 09:01:45 >> WHAT I'M HEARING IS UNTIL YOU HAVE A CHANCE TO REVIEW THIS YOU 09:01:48 ARE NOT IN A POSITION TO SAY WHETHER IT MEETS THE KIND OF 09:01:52 SPECIFICATIONS AN STANDARDS YOU WANT TO SEE TO PREVENT FURTHER 09:01:55 WASTE, FRAUD AND ABUSE. >> NOT ONLY REVIEW IT, BUT YOU 09:01:57 HAVE TO TEST IT. THERE IS GOING TO BE SO MANY 09:02:00 DIFFERENT CIRCUMSTANCES THAT COME UP, WE HAVE SO MANY 09:02:04 CITIZENS NEEDED ASSISTANCE, THEY ARE GOING TO HAVE DIFFERENT 09:02:06 STORIES AND DIFFERENT SITUATIONS S YOU HAVE TO BE ABLE TO TEST 09:02:10 YOUR PROGRAM, FIND OUT WHERE YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE AN OVERFLOW OF 09:02:14 PROBLEMS AND MAKE SURE THAT YOU CAN PLAN FOR YOUR MANPOWER SO 09:02:17 THAT YOU CAN HANDLE THOSE SITUATIONS, TO MAKE SURE THE 09:02:21 PEOPLE THAT NEED THE ASSISTANCE GET IT AS QUICKLY AS THEY 09:02:23 POSSIBLY CAN. >> SENATOR, CAN I ADD? 09:02:26 WE DID TEST, I MEAN, WITH THIS DISASTER WE TESTED AND THAT IS 09:02:29 ONE OF THE RESULTS OF THE TEST IS THEM SENDING IS MONEY, 09:02:32 BECAUSE WE WENT IN WITH BOGUS INFORMATION AND TESTED THE 09:02:35 SYSTEM VARIOUS WAYS TO SEE IF WE COULD BEAT IT AND THAT IS ONE OF 09:02:38 THE RESULTS AND DID IT DONE THE HALL FROM OUR OFFICES. 09:02:41 >> AND IN TERMS OF TESTING, SOME OF THE SCENARIOS, I MEAN, ONE -- 09:02:45 LET'S SAY THERE WERE TWO BACK-TO-BACK DISASTERS, DO WE 09:02:49 HAVE A SENSE OF HOW THE SYSTEM WOULD OPERATE UNDER THOSE 09:02:52 CIRCUMSTANCES. >> THEY HAVE AN EDIT THAT CAN 09:02:55 ACTUALLY IDENTIFY PEOPLE MAKING CLAIMS FOR BOTH DISASTERS. 09:03:00 IN THE PARTICULAR CASE, BASED ON THE WORK WE DID, WE FOUND THAT 09:03:04 THE -- THEY TURNED THE EDIT OFF. THEREFORE, IF THE EDIT WAS IN 09:03:08 PLACE, THEY WOULD HAVE BEEN ABLE TO IDENTIFY POTENTIAL TARGETS. 09:03:12 WE ARE NOT SAYING ALL OF THE INDIVIDUALS WHO HAVE DUPLICATE 09:03:15 PAYMENT ARE FRAUD CASES. BUT, WE HAVE TALK TO THE TASK 09:03:20 FORCE IN LOUISIANA, MR. DUGAS AT JUSTICE AND WE BELIEVE THESE 09:03:24 CASES ARE WORTHY OF REFERRING TO THEM FOR FURTHER INVESTIGATION. 09:03:28 >> I WANT TO FOCUS ON AT LEAST THE SYSTEM THAT APPEARS TO BE 09:03:31 ESTABLISHED IN PLACE REGARDING IDENTITY VERIFICATION. 09:03:35 ONE OF THE CONCERNS YOU RAISED WAS THE -- THAT YOU USED SOCIAL 09:03:39 SECURITY NUMBERS AND THE PEOPLE USE THE SOCIAL SECURITY NUMBERS 09:03:41 THAT WERE NOT THEIR OWN, COULD GET DISASTER ASSISTANCE. 09:03:44 DO YOU HAVE ANY ESSENTIAL OF WHETHER THIS SYSTEM WOULD BE 09:03:47 ABLE TO IDENTIFY FOLKS USING IMPROPER SOCIAL SECURITY NUMBERS 09:03:52 OR WHETHER THIS SYSTEM WOULD IDENTIFY SOMEONE WHO IS NOT A 09:03:56 U.S. CITIZEN, THE PARAMETERS OF WHETHER THIS PROBLEM WOULD BE 09:03:59 ADDRESSED WITH THE SYSTEM IN PLACE RIGHT NOW? 09:04:01 >> THE CHOICEPOINT SYSTEM COULD HAVE IDENTIFIED IF ONE PERSON 09:04:05 TRIED TO GET IN WITH BAD INFORMATION. 09:04:07 MOST CASES THERE ARE EXCEPTIONS TO THAT. 09:04:09 I THINK THE FOREIGN STUDENTS COULD HAVE GOTTEN THROUGH IF 09:04:12 THEY HAD SOCIAL SECURITY NUMBERS THERE IS NO WAY TO TELL THEY 09:04:15 WERE INELIGIBLE FOR THE STUDENT. ONE OF THE OTHER PROBLEMS, 09:04:19 PEOPLE USED THE SAME SOCIAL SECURITY NUMBER 20 TIMES AND 09:04:21 WERE ABLE TO GET -- AND HOPEFULLY THEY'VE PUT IN 09:04:23 SOMETHING, AFTER CHICAGO POINT SAYS THAT IS A REAL SOCIAL 09:04:25 SECURITY NUMBER, SOMEONE IS MAKING SURE THEY ARE NOT 09:04:28 REGISTERING 20 TIMES. WITH THE SAME NUMBER. 09:04:31 >> I WOULD HOPE YOU WOULD DO WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE TO FIGURE 09:04:34 OUT WAYS TO ENSURE THAT -- WELL, MAYBE THAT IS OR RESPOND, THE 09:04:38 SYSTEM IS TESTED AND THAT IT IS CHECKED. 09:04:42 I HATE TO COME BACK AFTER THE NEXT DISASTER WITH SIMILAR 09:04:45 PROBLEMS AND THE RESPONSE IS WE THOUGHT IT WORKED BUT DIDN'T 09:04:48 KNOW AND IN THE END IT DIDN'T WORK. 09:04:50 THANK YOU, MADAME CHAIR. >> THANK YOU, MADAME CHAIR. 09:04:55 COULD YOU ASK SOMEONE TO PUT UP THE VERY FIRST POSTER THAT WAS 09:04:59 UP? >> JUST TELL US AGAIN WHAT WE 09:05:13 HAVE HERE. STARTING FROM THE LEFT, LOOKS 09:05:14 LIKE A BILLION DOLLARS, THE GAO ESTIMATE OF IMPROPER STATEMENTS. 09:05:21 >> 2006 AND THAT WAS BASED UPON A STATISTICAL SAMPLE WE DID OF 09:05:24 EVERY PAYMENT AND REGISTRATION THAT WAS MAY. 09:05:27 >> AND AS OF ABOUT A MONTH AGO IT LOOKS LIKE FEMA IDENTIFIED 09:05:32 ROUGHLY 30% OF -- >> IMPROPER PAYMENTS. 09:05:37 >> AND THEY'VE GONE OUT AND COLLECTED $7 MILLION WHICH IS 09:05:43 ABOUT 2-3%. >> RIGHT. 09:05:44 >> OF THE AMOUNT. WOULD YOU SAY THE $7 MILLION, 09:05:48 2-3% IS ABOUT WHAT YOU WOULD EXPECT? 09:05:50 A BIT LOW? I CAN'T RATION IT IS A BIT HIGH. 09:05:56 HOW WOULD YOU CHARACTERIZE IT. >> I EXPECT A COUPLE PENNIES ON 09:05:59 THE DOLLAR. I DON'T EXPECT A LOT MORE. 09:06:01 MAYBE OVER TIME THEY'LL GET MORE AND IT GETS INTO THE OTHER ISSUE 09:06:04 AND I THINK SENATOR COLLINS MENTIONED, FEMA ALSO HAS MAYBE 09:06:07 $8 MILLION OF RECEIVABLES NOW AND NOW FEMA IS BECOMING A DEBT 09:06:11 COLLECTION AGENCY AND THAT IS NOT THE PURPOSE WANT FEMA DOING 09:06:14 AND SO, BUT, CERTAINLY, THEY COULD POTENTIALLY GET MORE BUT 09:06:17 IT WILL NOT BE MUCH AT THE END OF THE DAY. 09:06:20 >> ARE THERE OTHERS, OTHER ENTITIES, PUBLIC OR PRIVATE, TO 09:06:23 WHOM THEY COULD DISPATCH OR TURN OVER THE RESPONSIBILITY FOR DEBT 09:06:29 COLLECTION, MAYBE THEY'VE ALREADY DONE THAT. 09:06:30 I DON'T KNOW. >> THE WAY IT IS SUPPOSED TO 09:06:32 WORK, ONCE THEY'VE ISSUED THE LITERS, SAYING YOU SO US THIS 09:06:38 MONEY BACK, ET CETERA, AFTER A CERTAIN PERIOD OF TIME THE WAY 09:06:40 THE GOVERNMENT PROCESS WORKS, THEY ARE SUPPOSED TO REFER IT TO 09:06:43 THE TREASURY DEPARTMENT WHO HAS AN OFFSET PROGRAM AND ULTIMATELY 09:06:45 IT WILL END UP WITH COLLECTION AGENTS POSSIBLY AND THEY MAY OFF 09:06:49 SIT AGAINST THINGS LIKE REFUND, TAX REFUNDS OR OTHER THINGS AND 09:06:53 THERE IS A PROCESS FEMA SHOULD FOLLOW, ONCE IT GETS AFTER A 09:06:57 CERTAIN AGE GOES TO TREASURY AND COLLECTION AGENTS AND THEY 09:06:59 OFFSET AGAINST OTHER GOVERNMENT DISBURSEMENTS. 09:07:01 >> ARE YOU AWARE OF ANYTHING THAT WE SHOULD BE DOING ON THIS 09:07:04 COMMITTEE OR IN CONGRESS TO INCREASE THAT NUMBER FROM 7 09:07:10 MILLION, TO SOMETHING HIGHER THAN THAT, TO TAKE OR -- MAKE I 09:07:16 $290 MILLION, BEING IDENTIFIED CLOSER TO THE BILLION DOLLARS 09:07:20 THAT IT -- YOU INVITED -- IDENTIFIEDEN YOUR EARLIER WORK. 09:07:25 >> WE UNDERSTAND THEY'VE SHARED WITH SOME OF THE COMMITTEE STAFF 09:07:30 THERE IS MORE REKRUMENTS THAT THEY -- RECOUPMENTS THAT CAN 09:07:34 MAKE THE $290 MILLION GROW, THE QUESTION IS, HOW CAN YOU COLLECT 09:07:39 THE MONEY FROM THE PEOPLE, IF THEY ARE FRAUDSTERS, THEY ARE 09:07:43 NE AND IF IT IS PEOPLE WHO MY MIGHT NOT BE FRAUD LEN AND I'LL 09:07:47 USE THE STUDENTS, A LOT OF STUDENTS APPARENTLY SPENT THE 09:07:50 MONEY AND NOW SAY TO OUR PEOPLE, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A HARD TIME 09:07:52 PAYING THE MONEY BACK. SO, AGAIN, IF YOU SPENT THE 09:07:56 MONEY ITS HARD TO PAY IT BACK SOMETIMES. 09:07:58 OWE, IT WILL -- SO IT WILL BE, I THINK GOOD MANAGEMENT CAN GET 09:08:02 SEVERAL PERCENT BUT WILL BE HARD TO IMAGINE THEM GETTING A LOT 09:08:05 BUT WHAT YOU C DO IS PROVIDE OVERSIGHT OF FEMA TO MAKE SURE 09:08:09 THEY ARE FOLLOWING THE RIGHT PROCESSES, BECAUSE THE MORE 09:08:12 EFFECTIVE WAY IS FRAUD PREVENTION AND NOW THAT YOU ARE 09:08:14 HERE WHERE YOU ARE WE WANT TO SEE PEOPLE RECOVER AS MUCH AS 09:08:17 POSSIBLE. >> I THINK WHAT YOU SAID, THERE 09:08:20 IS REALLY CRITICAL, AND THE IMPORTANT THING IS FOR US TO DO 09:08:23 THE JOB AT THE FRONT END AND FEMA TO DO THE RIGHT JOB AT THE 09:08:26 FRONT END, WHEN THE MONEY IS OUT IT IS FOR THE MOST PART, GONE, 09:08:30 OUT OF HERE. COULD YOU LOOK AT THE SECOND 09:08:35 POSTER THAT YOU HAD UP THERE, PLEASE? 09:08:44 JUST EXPLAIN THIS ONE AGAIN FOR YOU, IF YOU WOULD, BRIEFLY. 09:08:47 >> YES. THIS IS INDIVIDUAL THAT ARE 09:08:49 STAYING AT FEMA PROVIDED HOUSING AND IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE IT 09:08:52 IS MOBILE HOMES AN TRAILERS. COULD BE AHO TELL, HOTELS HAVE 09:08:55 THE SAME ISSUE, APARTMENTS HAVE THE SAME ISSUE. 09:08:58 THEY ARE ENTITLED TO FREE HOUSING UNDER THE PROGRAM, IF 09:09:00 THEY ARE A LEGIT MAT VICTIM AND WHAT THE PROBLEM IS AT THE SAME 09:09:04 TIME THEY HAVE FREE HOUSING FEMA SENT A CHECK REIMBURSING THEM 09:09:08 FOR RENTAL THEY WERE NOT INCURRING AND THE GOVERNMENT 09:09:10 BASICALLY PAID TWICE FOR THESE INDIVIDUALS' HOUSING AND WHETHER 09:09:14 IT ES FRAUD DEPENDS ON CERTAIN CASES AND SOME MIGHT BE PEOPLE, 09:09:16 SAY, HEY I GOT A CHECK FROM FEMA FOR RENTAL ASSISTANCE THOUGH I'M 09:09:20 STAYING AT A FREE HOTEL OR IN THIS CASE A MOBILE HOME OR 09:09:23 TRAILER. AND THAT IS WHAT THAT REPRESENTS 09:09:26 AND AGAIN YOU ARE PAYING TWICE FOR THE SAME THING. 09:09:28 >> THE COURTS RECENTLY RULED THAT -- AT LEAST, FEDERAL 09:09:33 DISTRICT COURT RECENTLY RULED FEMA NEEDED TO CONTINUE 09:09:37 PROVIDING HOUSING ASSISTANCE FOR A NUMBER OF PEOPLE WHO HAVE BEEN 09:09:40 DISPLACED. HOW DOES THAT FIT INTO THIS 09:09:45 SITUATION, OR DOES IT? >> IT MAY. 09:09:47 I MEAN, I THINK ONE OF THE ISSUES IS, FEMA MAKING SURE 09:09:49 PEOPLE ARE ALERTED AS TO WHAT THEY ARE SUPPOSED TO SPEND THE 09:09:52 MONEY ON AND GETS BACK TO THE SAME THING, THE DEBIT CARDS AND 09:09:55 FEMA WAS NOT TELLING PEOPLE HOW TO SPEND THE MONEY AND GOT INTO 09:09:58 CERTAIN ISSUES BUT I'M NOT SURE HOW IT RELATES, THERE MAY BE 09:10:03 OVERLAP WITH THE ISSUE. >> WHAT KIND OF ASSURANCES CAN 09:10:05 YOU GIVE US THAT LOOKING AHEAD TO THE NEXT DISASTER OR NEXT 09:10:09 HURRICANE OR FLOOD, THAT FEMA HAS LEARNED LESSONS, SO THAT WE 09:10:13 WON'T REPLICATE THESE PROBLEMS IN THE FUTURE, BECAUSE AS YOU 09:10:17 POINTED OUT, ONCE THE MONEY IS GONE, IT IS GONE. 09:10:19 >> ONE OF THE FRUSTRATING PARTS FROM WHERE WE SIT IS WE CAN'T DO 09:10:23 IT, WE CAN ONLY RECOMMEND IT, BUT WE HAVE GIVEN THEM WHAT WE 09:10:27 THINK ARE PRACTICABLE, IMPLEMENTABLE RECOMMENDATIONS 09:10:30 THAT DON'T NECESSARILY HARJ LEGITIMATE VICTIMS BUT HELP US 09:10:33 REDUCE FRAUD, WASTE AND ABUSE AND SO, SRM OUR FOLLOW-UP AND 09:10:36 MAYBE THIS COMMITTEE'S FOLLOW-UP WOULD BE USEFUL IN HOLDING 09:10:40 FEMA'S FEET TO THE FIRE AND MAKING SURE THEY DO BETTER NEXT 09:10:43 TIME AND WE'D BE MORE THAN WILLING TO WORK WITH THE 09:10:46 COMMITTEE ON THAT POINT. >> THAT IS ONE OUR SUBCOMMITTEE 09:10:48 MAY WANT TO LOOK AT THE NEXT YEAR AS WELL. 09:10:50 THANKS TO BOTH OF YOU FOR YOUR CONTINUED SERVICE. 09:10:56 >> I'D LIKE TO RETURN TO THE POSTER BOARD OF THE DISASTER 09:11:01 ASSISTANCE CHECK RECEIVED BY GAO. 09:11:05 MR. RYAN, AT FIRST, EXPLAIN TO ME HOW SOMEONE FROM GAO RECEIVED 09:11:11 THIS. >> WE TESTED THE SYSTEM. 09:11:15 WE TESTED THE SYSTEM TO SEE IF THE CONTROL, THE UP-FRONT 09:11:19 CONTROLS WERE IN PLACE TO STOP A PERSON LIKE MYSELF AND THE 09:11:24 AGENTS THAT SIT BEHIND ME FROM STEALING THE MONEY. 09:11:27 WE CREATED IDENTITIES, WE USED SOCIAL SECURITY NUMBERS THAT 09:11:30 WERE NOTLY,ED TO THOSE IDENTITIES, AND -- NOT LINKED TO 09:11:34 THOSE IDENTITIES AND WENT ON-LINE FIRST TO TRY TO 09:11:37 REGISTER. WE WERE NOT SUCCESSFUL. 09:11:39 BECAUSE OF THE ON-LINE VERIFICATION PROCESS, STOPPED US 09:11:43 BECAUSE IT IDENTIFIED US NOT AS REAL PEOPLE. 09:11:46 HOWEVER, THE SYSTEM SAID IF YOU DON'T GET THROUGH, CALL US. 09:11:50 WELL, WE CALLED, USED THE SAME INFORMATION, AND WE WERE ABLE TO 09:11:54 REGISTER. WE PROVIDED DOCUMENTATION, WHICH 09:11:58 WE COUNTERFEITED, MANUFACTURED, THEY ACCEPTED IT, AND IN THE 09:12:03 PROCESS, PROCEEDED TO SEND US THIS CHECK ALONG WITH OTHER 09:12:07 CHECKS. >> ISN'T IT PRETTY EASY TO 09:12:12 VERIFY AN IDENTITY AND A SOCIAL SECURITY NUMBER TO MAKE SURE 09:12:15 THAT THEY MATCH? WOULDN'T IT BE PRETTY EASY TO 09:12:19 PREVENT THIS KIND OF BLATANT FRAUD? 09:12:22 >> I THINK THAT FEMA, IN USING THE INTERNET SYSTEM, HAD THE 09:12:26 RIGHT IDEA. I THINK IT WAS A GREAT START. 09:12:28 BUT, THE PROBLEM WAS, THAT YOU WENT TWO DIFFERENT PATHS AND 09:12:32 THEY DIDN'T FOLLOW THE SAME PROCESS. 09:12:34 IF YOU -- IF YOU ARE GOING TO DO IT ON THE LEFT YOU SHOULD DO IT 09:12:37 ON THE RIGHT AND THERE IS WHERE THE VULNERABILITY EXISTED. 09:12:40 >> WE TRIED TO GET INTO THE INTERNET, TO THE WEB AND GOT 09:12:44 KICK BACK. SO, WE WENT TO THE PHONE CALLS 09:12:47 AND THE VERY SAME PEOPLE WHO GOT KICK OUT AND THEY DIDN'T KEEP 09:12:50 TRACK OF WHO GOT KICKED OUT EITHER TO MAKE SURE IF THEY 09:12:53 CALLED, THEY'D SAY YOU TRIED AND WE REJECTED YOU ANDIDN'T HAVE 09:12:57 THAT IN PLACE. >> AND WHILE THERE WERE CONTROLS 09:12:59 IF YOU APPLIED VIA THE INTERNET, THOSE SAME CONTROLS DID NOT 09:13:04 EXIST IF YOU CALLED UP AND APPLIED, WHICH IS WHY YOU WERE 09:13:09 SUCCESSFUL WHEN YOU USED THE TELEPHONE APPLICATION PROCESS, 09:13:12 CORRECT. >> CORRECT. 09:13:15 >> WHAT IS STUNNING ABOUT THIS IS, IT IS NOT A VERY 09:13:20 SOPHISTICATED FRAUD TO MAKE UP AN IDEITY AND A SOCIAL 09:13:23 SECURITY NUMBER AND YET, IT WAS SUCCESSFUL. 09:13:26 BUT YOU FIRST TESTIFIED ABOUT DOING THIS BACK IN FEBRUARY, IF 09:13:32 YOU -- IF MEMORY SERVES ME CORRECTLY. 09:13:36 SO THIS RAISES ANOTHER INTERESTING QUESTION. 09:13:39 HAS FEMA TRIED TO RECOUP THIS MONEY? 09:13:43 >> WE HAVEN'T RECEIVED A RECOUPING LETTER. 09:13:46 AND WE HAVE NOT CASHED THE CHECKS. 09:13:48 WHICH IS KIND OF A CLUE THAT MAYBE YOU NEED TO BE LOOKING AT 09:13:52 WHO IS SPENDING THE MONEY. WE ARE PROBABLY THE ONLY PEOPLE 09:13:56 THAT HAVEN'T CASHED THE CHECKS, SO -- 09:13:58 >> THAT I WOULD GUESS. MR. KUNTZ, BASED ON THE -- KUTZ 09:14:07 BASED ON THE REVIEW AND INVESTIGATION YOU HAVE DONE, 09:14:10 WHAT DO YOU THINK THE REAL LIKELIHOOD IS OF FEMA BEING ABLE 09:14:14 TO RECOVER A SUBSTANTIAL AMOUNT OF THE IMPROPER FRAUDULENT 09:14:19 PAYMENT, LET'S SAY -- LET'S SAY 50%. 09:14:23 >> ALMOST ZERO% CHANCE. >> BECAUSE IN MANY CASES AS YOU 09:14:29 HAVE POINTED OUT, IF SOMEONE DELIBERATELY COMMITTED FRAUD 09:14:34 THEY WILL NOT STICK AROUND TO BE CAUGHT. 09:14:38 >> RIGHT. >> RIGHT. 09:14:40 >> BUT SECOND, IF SOMEONE RECEIVED A CHECK AND THOUGHT, 09:14:43 GEE, WHAT GOOD FORTUNE THAT I GOT THIS PAYMENT OR MAYBE I'M 09:14:46 ALLOWED TO CORRECT TWICE BECAUSE IT WAS TWO DIFFERENT HURRICANES, 09:14:49 ISN'T IT VERY LIKELY THAT MONEY IS LONG GONE? 09:14:52 >> YES. AND AGAIN THEY SPENT IT, AGAIN, 09:14:54 LIKE OUR RECENT EXAMPLES OF THE STUDENTS, MANY OF THEM HAD SPENT 09:14:57 THE MONEY ALREADY AND WHAT THEY SPENT IT ON WE DIDN'T FOLLOW UP 09:15:00 ON BUT, YEAH, THEY WERE GOING TO HAVE A HARD TIME PAYING IT BACK 09:15:04 NOW. >> MR. RYAN, I UNDERSTAND THAT 09:15:07 YOU INVESTIGATED THE CASE OF THE CRAB HOUSE WHERE THE 25 09:15:14 TEMPORARY WORKERS RECEIVED OVER $150,000. 09:15:18 IN ASSISTANCE DESPITE THE FACT THAT THEY WERE CLEARLY 09:15:22 INELIGIBLE. SHOULD FEMA HAVE KNOWN THAT THE 09:15:26 WORKERS WERE SHOULD NOT RECEIVE THIS ASSISTANCE? 09:15:30 DID YOU FIND ANY EVIDENCE THAT FEMA HAD DOCUMENTED THAT SHOULD 09:15:35 HAVE RAISED RED FLAGS ABOUT THIS ELIGIBILITY. 09:15:39 >> IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, THE INDIVIDUAL WERE HERE ON WORK 09:15:42 VISAS. THEY WERE WORKING AT THE CRAB 09:15:45 HOUSE, WHEN THE HURRICANE CAME, THE OWNER TOOK THE EMPLOYEES AND 09:15:48 WENT TO NA. WHILE THEY WERE IN FLORIDA THE 09:15:52 OWNER OF THE BUSINESS MADE SURE THEY HAD ALL THEIR WORKING VISAS 09:15:55 TOOK THEM DOWN TO FEMA AND PROVIDED THE VISAS, PROVIDED THE 09:16:00 LOCATION TO THE WORKER TO GO TO, AND THE EVIDENCE THAT THEY WERE 09:16:04 -- HAD A WORKING VISA. AND IT WAS PRESENTED TO FEMA, 09:16:08 SOME OF THE DOCUMENTATION WAS RECORDED IN THE DATABASE. 09:16:11 AND WHEN WE REVIEWED IT, WE FOUND IT. 09:16:20 WHAT I'D LIKE TO BRING OUT IS IN THE APPLICATION PROCESS, THE 09:16:24 QUESTION IS ASKED, ARE YOU A LEGAL ALIEN AND IN THESE 09:16:27 PARTICULAR CASES WITHOUT FURTHER EXPLANATION OR AN UNDERSTANDING 09:16:30 BY THE FEMA EMPLOYEE, THESE PEOPLE WERE LEGAL ALIENS. 09:16:34 AND THEY WERE HERE ON PROPER WORK VISAS. 09:16:38 WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE IS, IS THAT IF YOU ARE GOING TO ASK 09:16:41 THAT QUESTION, YOU NEED TO HAVE EITHER A DROP-DOWN SCREEN OR ASK 09:16:46 THE APPROPRIATE FOLLOW-UP QUESTION, ARE YOU HERE ON A 09:16:48 STUDENT VISA, ARE YOU HERE ON A H1 OR H2-TYPE VISA SO THERE IS A 09:16:54 BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF THE PERSON WHO IS PRESENTING THE 09:16:56 INFORMATION SO THEY CAN DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT THEY 09:16:58 ARE ENTITLED OR NOT ENTITLED. SO, IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, I 09:17:02 WILL SAY THAT THESE 5 PEOPLE WHO GOT MONEY, I CANNOT TELL YOU IF 09:17:08 THEY WERE LEGAL OR NOT LEGAL. I CAN'T TELL YOU IF THE VISAS 09:17:12 WERE VALID OR INVALLEY. I CAN'T TELL YOU IF -- IN VALID, 09:17:17 I CAN'T TELL YOU IF THEY SHOULD HAVE OR SHOULDN'T HAVE GOTTEN 09:17:20 BENEFITS, I WILL TELL YOU, THOUGH, WE REFERRED IT TO THE 09:17:23 TASK FORCE AND BELIEVE THE PEOPLE OUGHT TO BE INTERVIEWED 09:17:25 AND CRIMINAL CASES STARTED AGAINST THEM. 09:17:27 >> AND SOME OF THEM PROVIDED FICTITIOUS INFORMATION AND ARE 09:17:32 SUSPICIOUS FRAUD CASES, THE ONES WITH THE VISAS SCANNED IN TO THE 09:17:36 SYSTEM WERE FROM MEXICO AND THE OTHER ONES, THERE WAS NOTHING IN 09:17:39 THE SYSTEM AND WHEN WE CHECKED THE SOCIAL SECURITY NUMBERS, 09:17:41 THERE WAS A PROBLEM WITH THEM AND SOME HAD NEVER BEEN ISSUED 09:17:45 BEFORE AND SOME OF THESE COULD BE FRAUD CASES. 09:17:47 >> AND I THINK THAT IS AN IMPORTANT POINT, BECAUSE IN SOME 09:17:50 OF THESE CASES, WHAT YOU ARE FINDING IS OUT RIGHT FRAUD. 09:17:56 MANUFACTURED SOCIAL SECURITY NUMBERS. 09:18:01 FALSE IDENTITIES, OTHER INDICATORS OF DELIBERATE FRAUD. 09:18:04 BUT, IN SOME OF THESE CASES, THE INDIVIDUALS, I SUSPECT THE 09:18:09 INTERNATIONAL STUDENT MAY BE EXAMPLES OF THIS, PRESENTED 09:18:15 LEGITIMATE, DOCUMENTICIAN TO FEMA THAT SHOULD HAVE LED FEMA 09:18:21 TO SAY YOU ARE NOT ELIGIBLE FOR ASSISTANCE AND THERE WASN'T 09:18:26 FRAUD ON BEHALF OF THE CLAIMANT IN SOME OF THESE CASES, BUT, 09:18:31 FEMA, THROUGH SLOPPY PROCEDURES, ISSUED CHECKS EVEN THOUGH THEY 09:18:37 HAD INFORMATION THAT SHOULD HAVE LED THEM TO DISQUALIFY THE 09:18:41 INDIVIDUAL. IS THAT FAIR? 09:18:43 >> YES. ANDY FACT RPTS FROM THE FOUR 09:18:45 UNIVERSITIES SAID FEMA REPRESENTATIVES TOLD THE 09:18:48 STUDENTS TO APPLY EVEN KNOWING THEY WEREN'T ELIGIBLE. 09:18:51 AND WE COULDN'T VALIDATE ALL OF THAT BUT CERTAINLY WE HAD 09:18:54 MULTIPLE SOURCES OF EVIDENCE THAT THE FEMA PEOPLE KNEW THESE 09:18:57 PEOPLE WERE NOT ELIGIBLE AND LET THEM APPLY ANY WAY AND 09:19:00 ENCOURAGED THEM TO APPLY AND SO, AGAIN, LIKE YOU SAID IN THE FEMA 09:19:03 SYSTEM THERE APPEARS TO BE VALID STUDENT VISAS IN THE SYSTEM, AN 09:19:07 EVEN RIGHT NEXT TO THAT IS A COPY IN THE SYSTEM OF THE FEMA 09:19:11 FLYER, SAYING, STUDENT, FOREIGN STUDENTS ARE NOT ELIGIBLE. 09:19:15 THEY GOT MONEY ANYWAY. >> THIS SHOWS ME THAT, IN 09:19:19 ADDITION TO HAVING BETTER INTERNAL CONTROLS, THAT ARE 09:19:23 CONSISTENTLY APPLIED, AND NOT SUSPENDED JUST BECAUSE THERE IS' 09:19:28 LARGE VOLUME OF APPLICANT, THAT WE ALSO NEED BETTER TRAINING, 09:19:35 BETTER SYSTEMS FOR ENSURING FEMA WORKERS UNDERSTAND THE 09:19:40 ELIGIBILITY RULES. WHICH WAS SENATOR LIEBERMAN'S 09:19:45 POINT AS WELL. I JUST HAVE ONE FINAL QUESTION 09:19:48 FOR YOU. AND IT HAS TO DO WITH FEMA'S 09:19:53 ATTEMPTS TO RECOUP THIS MONEY. MR. RYAN, YOU MADE A VERY GOOD 09:19:58 POINT THAT FEMA IS NOT A COLLECTION AGENCY. 09:20:02 THIS ISN'T AN AREA WHERE FEMA HAS EXPERTISE AND, CLEARLY, 09:20:07 RESOURCES ARE BEING DIVERTED TO COLLECTING ON THESE CASES AND 09:20:15 FEMA REALLY DOESN'T HAVE THAT AS ITS MISSION. 09:20:18 TO ME, THE LESSON FROM THAT IS YOU'VE GOT TO HAVE GOOD CONTROLS 09:20:22 UP FRONT TO PREVENT THIS FRAUD IN THE FIR PLACE. 09:20:25 BUT WHAT IS YOUR GENERAL ASSESSMENT -- I LIKE TO HEAR 09:20:28 FROM BOTH OF YOU ON THIS ISSUE -- OF FEMA'S SYSTEM FOR 09:20:34 TRIGGERING RECOUPMENT, GOING AFTER OBVIOUSLY IMPROPER OR 09:20:40 FRAUDULENT PAYMENTS? MR. RYAN, WE'LL START WITH YOU. 09:20:46 >> MY EXPERIENCE IS, IS THAT WHEN THE MONEY GETS OUT THE DOOR 09:20:50 IT'S GONE. AND YOU ARE -- YOU ARE CHASING 09:20:53 IT DONE THE STREET, TRYING TO FIND IT. 09:20:54 WE ARE WASTING ALMOST AS MUCH MONEY CHASING IT AS WHAT WE ARE 09:20:59 TRYING TO RECOVER. I CAN'T REALLY GIVE YOU MY 09:21:05 OPINION BECAUSE I REALLY DIDN'T WORK ON THE RECOUPMENT, THE 09:21:08 PROCESS THAT THEY HAVE. BUT I CAN UNTIL THAT BASED ON 09:21:13 TESTIFYING FOUR, FIVE TIMES IN REGARDS TO FEMA, WE ARE REALLY 09:21:19 AT YOUR DIRECTION AND THE COMMITTEE'S DIRECTION AND SOME 09:21:22 OF THE OTHER COMMITTEES IN CONGRESS, LOOK AT WHAT REALLY 09:21:24 FRAUD IS. HOW DOES FRAUD EXIST IN THESE 09:21:27 PROGRAMS? AND IN THE PAST WE WERE TOLD IT 09:21:29 WAS 1%, 2% AND WE ARE IDENTIFYING FROM THE STATISTICAL 09:21:34 SAMPLE 16% FRAUD, IT APPEARS YOU HAVE TO DO A BETTER JOB UP FRONT 09:21:41 BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WILL BE ABLE TO RECOVER THE MONEY IN 09:21:43 THE BACK AND I CAN'T REALLY COMMENT AS TO THE PROCESS THAT 09:21:47 THEY ARE USING FOR RECOUPMENT BECAUSE I HAVEN'T LOOKED AT IT. 09:21:50 MAYBE GREG HAS, AND THE STAFF HAS. 09:21:52 I HAVE NOT. >> NO, WE HAVEN'T SYSTEMATICALLY 09:21:55 LOOKED AT IT BUT THE INTERESTING THING IS THEY'VE CHARACTERIZED 09:21:59 RECOUPMENTS OR THE $290 MILLION AS THE FRAUDULENT RATE AND YOU 09:22:03 KNOW THAT DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE AND THEY TRIED TO COMPARE THAT 09:22:06 TO THE WAY WE DID A RANDOM STATISTICAL SAMPLE OF THE ENTIRE 09:22:09 POPULATION. SO IT ALMOST SEEMED LIKE THEY 09:22:12 DIDN'T REALLY UNDERSTAND WHAT FRAUD, WASTE AND ABUSE IS IN 09:22:14 THAT -- AND THAT WAS A BIT DISCOURAGING BUT BE AGAIN THE 09:22:17 FACT THAT THEY ARE IDENTIFYING HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS 09:22:20 IS NOT A BAD THING IF THEY CAN TRY TO COLLECT IT IT IS GOOD, 09:22:23 BUT IF WE GET BOGGED DOWN IN FEMA DOING DEBT COLLECTION AND 09:22:26 OTHER DISASTER HITS, THAT IS NOT A GOOD THING -- AND ANOTHER 09:22:31 DISASTER HITS, THAT IS NOT A GOOD THING. 09:22:33 >> I GUESS WHAT IS MOST DISTURBING TO ME IS, AS I 09:22:35 MENTIONED IN MY OPENING COMMENTS IS THIS IS MONEY THAT IS 09:22:39 DESPERATELY NEEDED BY THE REAL VICTIMS TO REBUILD DEVASTATED 09:22:46 COMMUNITIES AND TO REBUILD THEIR LIVES. 09:22:49 THE AMERICAN PEOPLE ARE VERY GENEROUS BUT THERE IS A LIMIT TO 09:22:53 THEIR GENEROSITY IF THEY BELIEVE THAT SUBSTANTIAL AMOUNTS OF 09:22:57 MONEY ARE BEING LOST TO WASTE, FRAUD AN ABUSE. 09:23:00 AND THAT IS CLEARLY WHAT HAPPENED IN THIS CASE. 09:23:04 IT IS PARTICULARLY FRUSTRATING TO ME BECAUSE IN 2004 THIS 09:23:11 COMMITTEE HELD OVERSIGHT HEARINGS LOOKING AT WASTE, FRAUD 09:23:16 AN ABUSE IN THE WAKE OF THE FLORIDA HURRICANES AND WE 09:23:20 IDENTIFIED SOME OF THE EXACT SAME PROBLEMS THAT YOU HAVE 09:23:26 TESTIFIED ABOUT TODAY. AT THAT TIME, I REMEMBER TELLING 09:23:32 MICHAEL BROWN THAT HE HAD TO ENSURE THAT CONTROLS WERE IN 09:23:37 PLACE BEFORE THE NEXT MAJOR DISASTER HIT. 09:23:41 REGRETTABLY, HE DID NOT DO SO. AND WHEN A DISASTER OF THE 09:23:47 MAGNITUDE OF KATRINA HIT, THE MAGNITUDE OF THE WASTE, FRAUD 09:23:53 AND ABUSE WAS THAT MUCH GREATER. WE CAN'T WAIT FOR YET ANOTHER 09:23:58 DISASTER TO HIT AND FOR YET ANOTHER ROUND OF INVESTIGATIONS 09:24:03 AN HEARINGS TO SPOTLIGHT, ONCE AGAIN, THE LACK OF BASIC 09:24:12 SAFEGUARD AND INTERNAL CONTROLS THAT ANY AGENCY THAT IS 09:24:16 PROVIDING PUBLIC ASSISTANCE SHOULD HAVE AS A MATTER OF 09:24:20 COURSE. THIS ISN'T ROCKET SCIENCE. 09:24:25 IT ISN'T SOMETHING WHERE IT REQUIRES TECHNOLOGY THAT IS NOT 09:24:28 YET BEEN DEVELOPED. IT IS BASIC VERIFICATION OF 09:24:33 ELIGIBILITY, IDENTITY, ADDRESS, AND DAMAGE. 09:24:39 AND I, FOR ONE, AM GOING TO CONTINUE TO PUSH FEMA AND THE 09:24:45 DEPARTMENT OF HOMELAND SECURITY TO PROVE THAT THEY HAVE THOSE 09:24:49 SYSTEMS IN PLACE. THE FEMA REFORM LEGISLATION THAT 09:24:53 THIS COMMITTEE ADVANCED AND WHICH WAS SIGNED INTO LAW AS 09:24:56 PART OF THE APPROPRIATIONS BILL REQUIRES THE DEVELOPMENT OF 09:25:02 THOSE STANDARDS. IT IS NOT SOMETHING, FRAERK, 09:25:04 THAT WE SHOULD HAVE HAD TO PUT IN LAW TO ENSURE THAT IT WAS 09:25:08 GOING TO HAPPEN. IT IS BASIC MANAGEMENT. 09:25:11 BUT, I HOPE THAT YOU WILL CONTINUE TO WORK WITH US TO 09:25:15 PROBE AND TEST THE SYSTEM TO ENSURE THAT TRUE PROGRESS HAS 09:25:20 BEEN MADE. WE HAVE ASKED THE -- DHS TO 09:25:25 RESPOND TO YOUR TESTIMONY AND TO THESE LATEST FINDINGS AN 09:25:31 RECOMMENDATIONS. THEY ARE STILL WORKING ON THEIR 09:25:34 RESPONSE. AND I LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING 09:25:41 THEIR RESPONSE TO THESE VERY TROUBLING FINDINGS. 09:25:43 WE ALL KNOW LESSONS CAN BE LEARNED AND APPLIED IN THE WAKE 09:25:46 OF A DISASTER. AND WE HAVE SEEN SOME PROGRESS 09:25:53 BEING MADE IN OTHER PARTS OF FEMA AND I REALIZE THERE IS A 09:25:57 LOT OF PROGRESS THAT NEEDS TO BE MADE BUT THE AMERICAN PEOPLE ARE 09:26:00 NOT GOING TO BE WILLING TO KEEP WRITING CHECKS FOR DISASTER 09:26:06 RELIEF AND ASSISTANCE UNLESS THEY ARE ASSURED THAT THE MONEY 09:26:10 IS BEING WISELY SPENT TO BENEFIT THE TRUE VICTIMS AND YOUR WORK 09:26:17 IS VITALLY IMPORTANT IN HELPING US ACHIEVE THAT GOAL. 09:26:21 I VERY MUCH APPRECIATE ALL OF YOUR ASSISTANCE TO THE 09:26:25 COMMITTEE. IT'S BEEN A GREAT PLEASURE TO 09:26:28 WORK WITH YOU. I AM CERTAIN THAT THIS 09:26:31 COMMITTEE'S FIGHT AGAINST WASTEFUL SPENDING WILL CONTINUE 09:26:34 AND I LOOK FORWARD TO WORKING WITH YOU FURTHER. 09:26:38 I ALSO WANT TO THANK MY STAFF FOR THEIR DILIGENT WORK ON THIS 09:26:43 HEARING, AND INDEED, ON ALL OF THE KATRINA INVESTIGATION. 09:26:48 IT WAS THE MOST EXTENSIVE INVESTIGATION EVER UNDERTAKEN BY 09:26:53 THIS COMMITTEE. I BELIEVE THAT THIS IS OUR 25th 09:26:58 KATRINA HEARING AND I THINK WE HAVE LEARNED A LOT. 09:27:02 WE HAVE ISSUED A MAJOR REPORT. WE HAVE ENACTED LEGISLATION BUT 09:27:07 ITS CLEAR THAT CONTINUED OVERSIGHT WILL BE NECESSARY. 09:27:10 SO I WANT TO THANK THE STAFF FOR THEIR GOOD WORK AS WELL. 09:27:13 THE HEARING RECORD WILL REMAIN OPEN FOR 15 DAYS TO RECEIVE 09:27:19 QUESTIONS FOR THE RECORD, OTHER MATERIALS, AND I HOPE DHS'S 09:27:24 WRITTEN FORMAL RESPONSE. THANK YOU AGAIN FOR YOUR GOOD 09:27:27 WORK. THIS HEARING IS NOW ADJOURNED. 09:27:37 [INAUDIBLE CONVERSATIONS] [INAUDIBLE CONVERSATIONS] 09:28:20 [INAUDIBLE CONVERSATIONS] [INAUDIBLE CONVERSATIONS] 09:29:55 >> NEXT ON C-SPAN2 COVERAGE OF THE U.S. SENATE, TODAY'S AGENDA 09:29:59 INCLUDES DEBATE ON THE NOMINATION OF ANDREW VON 09:30:02 EICHENBACH TO BE COMMISSIONER OF THE FOOD AND DRUG ADMINISTRATION 09:30:05 AND VOTES ARE EXPECTED TODAY AND LATER TODAY, 2:30 EASTERN, VICE 09:30:08 PRESIDENT CHENEY WILL ACCOMPANY MAJORITY LEADER BILL FRIST TO 09:30:12 THE FLOOR FOR HIS FAREWELL ADDRESS AND LIVE COVERAGE NOW ON 09:30:16 C-SPAN2. THE PRESIDENT PRO TEMPORE: THE 09:30:21 SENATE WILL COME TO ORDER. THE SENATE WILL BE LED IN PRAYER 09:30:23 BY THE CHAPLAIN OF THE SENATE, DR. BARRY BLACK. 09:30:32 THE CHAPLAIN: LET US PRAY. ETERNAL LORD GOD, OUR STRONG 09:30:40 HOLD IN TIMES OF TROUBLE. BLESS TODAY OUR SENATORS. 09:30:44 LORD, 65 YEARS AGO AMERICA EXPERIENCED A DAY OF INFAMY. 09:30:52 AS WE REMEMBER PEARL HARBOR, OUR HEARTS TURN TOWARD THE MEN AND 09:30:58 WOMEN OF OUR ARMED FORCES AND THEIR FAMILIES. 09:31:06 THANK YOU FOR THEIR INVESTMENT IN FREEDOM AND THEIR SACRIFICES 09:31:11 FOR OUR LIBERTIES. COMFORT THOSE WHO MOURN AND 09:31:18 THOSE WHO BEAR THE SCARS OF BATTLE. 09:31:23 BE A COMPANION TO THOSE WHO MUST STARE AT AN EMPTY CHAIR DURING 09:31:30 THIS HOLIDAY SEASON. DEFEND THOSE IN HARM'S WAY WITH 09:31:37 YOUR HEAVENLY GRACE AND GIVE THEM COURAGE TO FACE PERILS WITH 09:31:44 TRUST INOU. GIVE THEM A SENSE OF YOUR 09:31:50 ABIDING PRESENCE WHEREVER THEY MAY BE. 09:31:56 WE PRAY IN YOUR SOVEREIGN NAME. AMEN. 09:32:06 THE PRESIDENT PRO TEMPORE: PLEASE JOIN ME IN RECITING THE 09:32:08 PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE TO OUR FLAG. 09:32:12 I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF 09:32:15 AMERICA, AND TO THE REPUBLIC, FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION 09:32:17 UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. 09:32:29 UNDER THE PREVIOUS ORDER, THE LEADERSHIP TIME IS RESERVED. 09:32:33 UNDER THE PREVIOUS ORDER, THE SENATE WILL PROCEED TO EXECUTIVE 09:32:35 SESSION FOR CONSIDERATION OF THE NOMINATION OF ANDREW VON 09:32:38 ESCHENBACH WHICH THE CLERK WILL REPORT. 09:32:40 THE CLERK: NOMINATION, DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH AND HUMAN 09:32:45 SERVICES. ANDREW VON ESCHENBACH OF TEXAS 09:32:46 TO BE COMMISSIONER OF FOOD AND DRUGS. 09:32:48 THE PRESIDENT PRO TEMPORE: THE MAJORITY LEADER IS RECOGNIZED. 09:32:53 MR. FRIST: MR. PRESIDENT, THIS MORNING THE SENATE WILL VOTE ON 09:32:55 THE MOTION TO INVOKE CLOTURE ON THE NOMINATION OF THE F.D.A. 09:33:01 COMMISSIONER, ANDREW VON ESCHENBACH. 09:33:02 SENATORS CAN EXPECT TO HAVE THIS VOTE AROUND 10:30 TO 10:45 THIS 09:33:08 MORNING FOLLOWING THE ONE HOUR OF DEBATE. 09:33:10 AS I MENTIONED YESTERDAY MORNING, THIS IS A VERY 09:33:13 IMPORTANT POSITION AND TO HAVE THIS CONFIRMATION FINALLY BEING 09:33:16 ACCOMPLISHED WILL BE A GREAT ACHIEVEMENT FOR TS CONGRESS. 09:33:19 ONCE CLOTURE HAS BEEN INVOKED WE WILL TRY TO SCHEDULE A VOTE ON 09:33:22 THE CONFIRMATION EARLY IN THE IN 09:33:26 THE DAY. THERE ARE SEVERAL CRITICAL ITEMS 09:33:28 THE SENATE MUST ACT ON BEFORE WE ADJOURN SINE DIE. 09:33:32 THEREFORE, SENATORS MUST ADJUST THEIR PLANS TO BE HERE AND 09:33:35 VOTING OVER THE COMING DAYSI WILL I APPRECIATE SENATORS' 09:33:41 WILLINGNESS TO WORK TOGETHER ON A NUMBER OF LEGISLATIVE AND 09:33:44 EXECUTIVE MATTERS. MR. REID: MR. PRESIDENT? 09:33:46 THE PRESIDENT PRO TEMPORE: THE MINORITY LEADER. 09:33:48 MR. REID: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. 09:33:52 ANDREW VON ESCHENBACH, WE'VE CLEARED ON THIS SIDE. 09:33:54 SO AS FAR AS WE'RE CONCERNED, THERE IS NO NEED FOR A CLOTURE 09:33:57 VOTE. WE LOOK FORWARD TO WORKING WITH 09:33:59 THE DISTINGUISHED MAJORITY LEADER TODAY AND MAYBE TOMORROW 09:34:03 AND MAYBE SATURDAY TO TRY TO GET AS MUCH COOPERATION OUT OF 09:34:08 SENATORS AS POSSIBLE. I KNOW THAT THE FINANCE FOLKS 09:34:10 HAVE WORKED LONG AND HARD TO TRY TO COME UP WITH SOMETHING THAT'S 09:34:13 VERY IMPORTANT FOR THE COUNTRY. WE'LL CONTINUE TO MONITOR THAT 09:34:16 AND DO EVERYTHING WE CAN TO MOVE THIS LEGISLATIVE AGENDA FORWARD. 09:34:22 THE PRESIDENT PRO TEMPORE: THE MAJORITY LEADER. 09:34:24 MR. FRIST: MR. PRESIDENT, I'LL BE VERY BRIEF. 09:34:25 I WANT TO SPEAK ON ANOTHER MATTER. 09:34:27 I KNOW WE WANT TO GET TO THE HOUR OF PRE-VOTE TIME HERE 09:34:35 SHORTLY. BUT I DID WANT TO -- AND I'LL 09:34:37 ENTER MY REMARKS IN THE RECORD, MY FORMAL REMARKS. 09:34:41 BUT TOMORROW DOES, HOPEFULLY TOMORROW WILL OFFICIALLY END THE 09:34:46 109th CONGRESS AT THE END OF THE DAY TOMORROW, IF WE DO OUR 09:34:50 WORK TODAY SUCCESSFULLY, AND TONIGHT THE SENATE WILL BE ABLE 09:34:56 TO ADJOURN. THAT WILL ALSO MARK THE OFFICIAL 09:34:59 CHANGE IN LEADERSHIP AND A CHANGE IN THE SENATE AGENDA. 09:35:03 I KNOW MANY OF MY COLLEAGUES AND MANY OF OUR MY CONSERVATIVE 09:35:08 ALLIES WITH A BIT OF TREPIDATION. 09:35:10 BUT CHANGE IS GOOD. CHANGE IS CONSTRUCTIVE. 09:35:16 IT CAN BE DIFFICULT, MESSY. BUT CHANGE FORCES US ALL TO 09:35:21 REEXAMINE WHO WE ARE, WHERE WE ARE AND WHERE WE WANT TO GO, 09:35:24 WHAT WE KNOW, WHAT WE BELIEVE. I BELIEVE IT IS OUR 09:35:26 RESPONSIBILITY TO PROTECT TRADITIONAL COMMON-SENSE 09:35:29 AMERICAN VALUES. I BELIEVE THAT WHEN WE GIVE THE 09:35:32 AMERICAN PEOPLE THE FREEDOM TO INVEST THEIR MONEY AS THEY 09:35:35 CHOOSE, THE ECONOMY IS GOING TO FLOURISH, IT IS GOING TO HAVE 09:35:39 MORE FREEDOM TO GROW. AT THE END OF THE DAY I BELIEVE 09:35:41 THAT GOOD LEADERS DON'T TALK ABOUT PRINCIPLES. 09:35:43 THEY DON'T TALK ABOUT THEM, BUT GOOD LEADERS LEAD ON PRINCIPLE. 09:35:47 AND THEY ACT, AND THEY ACT WITH SOLUTIONS. 09:35:50 EVEN IF THEY DON'T KNOW THAT THE OUTCOME IS GOING TO BE 100% 09:35:54 SUCCESSFUL EVERY TIME YOU TAKE A BILL TO THE FLOOR. 09:35:56 I THINK THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT AT LEAST I'VE TRIED TO DO, 09:36:02 IS NOT SAY LET'S JUST TAKE TO THE FLOOR WHAT WILL NECESSARILY 09:36:05 PASS, BUT WHAT IS THE RIGHT THING TO DO, ON PRINCIPLE. 09:36:09 WHAT IS THE RIGHT THING FOR US TO BE CONSIDERING. 09:36:12 DURING MY TENURE IN PUBLIC OFFICE, THAT'S WHAT I'VE TRIED 09:36:15 TO DO. THAT IS LEAD ON PRINCIPLE AND TO 09:36:20 ACT WITH SOLUTIONS. IT DOES COME WITH THAT SURGICAL 09:36:23 APPROACH OF FIXING THINGS, OF OPERATING, OF ACTION. 09:36:26 A COUPLE OF EXAMPLES IN TERMS OF LEADING ON PRINCIPLE, THE 09:36:31 INTERNATIONAL GAMBLING PROHIBITION ENFORCEMENT ACT, THE 09:36:35 ADAM WALSH CHILD PROTECTION AND SAFETY ACT LEGISLATION, 09:36:41 PROTECTING THE MOUNT SOLEDAD CROSS. 09:36:46 AND PERHAPS MOST NOTABLY WE CONFIRMED TWO SUPREME COURT 09:36:49 JUSTICES, 18 CIRCUIT COURT NOMINEES, 80 DISTRICT COURT 09:36:55 JUDGES. AMERICA NEEDS JUDGES WHO ARE 09:36:56 BALANCED, WHO ARE FAIR, WHO ARE INDEPENDENT, WHO ARE UNBIASED, 09:37:00 WHO ARE COMMITTED TO EQUAL JUSTICE UNDER THE LAW. 09:37:02 AND WE MAKE SURE THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT AMERICA HAS GOTTEN. 09:37:05 OVER THE PAST 12 YEARS, WHAT REPUBLICANS HAVE DONE IS CHANGED 09:37:08 OUR ECONOMY. IT HAS CHANGED OUR COUNTRY AND 09:37:11 CHANGED OUR WAY OF LIFE FOR THE BETTER. 09:37:14 OUR RECORD OF SUCCESS COMBINED WITH THE LESSONS THAT WE ALL 09:37:18 LEARNED IN NOVEMBER'S ELECTIONS ENSURES THAT OUR PARTY WILL 09:37:22 REDEDICATE ITSELF TO SERVING THE INTEREST OF AMERICA BOTH HERE AT 09:37:27 HOME AS WELL AS AROUND THE WORLD. 09:37:30 THAT VISION WHICH IS OPTIMISTIC, WHICH IS FORWARD-LOOKING, WHICH 09:37:34 IS HOPEFUL, IS GROUNDED IN THE FUNDAMENTALS OF COMMON-SENSE 09:37:38 CONSERVATIVE VALUES BEST FOUND ON MAIN STREET AND IN FAMILIES 09:37:42 THAT WE HAVE THE PRIVILEGE OF INTERACTING WITH ALL ACROSS THIS 09:37:45 COUNTRY. MR. PRESIDENT, I HAVE A FORMAL 09:37:49 STATEMENT THAT I WOULD AT THIS POINT LIKE TO HAVE ENTERED BY 09:37:54 UNANIMOUS CONSENT INTO THE RECORD AS IF READ. 09:37:55 THE PRESIDENT PRO TEMPORE: WITHOUT OBJECTION, SO ORDERED. 09:37:58 UNDER THE PREVIOUS ORDER, THERE WILL BE 60 MINUTES FOR DEBATE 09:38:00 PRIOR TO CLOTURE VOTE WITH THE TIME DIVIDED AS FOLLOWS: THE 09:38:04 SENATOR FROM WYOMING, MR. ENZI OR HIS DESIGNEE, 30 MINUTES. 09:38:10 THE SENATOR FROM IOWA, MR. GRASSLEY, 20 MINUTES. 09:38:13 THE SENATOR FROM LOUISIANA, MR. VITTER, 10 MINUTES. 09:38:16 WHO YIELDS TIME WHO YIELDS TIME? THE SENATOR FROM WYOMING. 09:38:28 MR. ENZI: MR. PRESIDENT, THANK YOU. 09:38:30 I RISE TO DISCUSS THE PENDING NOMINATION OF DR. ANDREW VON 09:38:34 ESCHENBACH TO BE THE COMMISSIONER OF FOOD AND DRUGS. 09:38:36 THE F.D.A. HAS A VERY BROAD AND CRITICAL MISSION IN PROTECTING 09:38:39 OUR PUBLIC HEALTH. THE COMMISSIONER OF FOOD AND 09:38:42 DRUGS IS IN CHARGE OF AN AGENCY THAT REGULATES $1 TRILLION WORTH 09:38:49 OF PRODUCTS A YEAR. THE F.D.A. ENSURES THE SAFETY 09:38:52 AND EFFECTIVENESS OF ALL DRUGS, BIOLOGICAL PRODUCTS SUCH AS 09:38:58 VACCINES, MEDICAL DEVICES AND ANIMAL DRUGS AND FEED. 09:39:01 LET ME REPEAT THAT AGAIN. THE SAFETY AND EFFECTIVENESS OF 09:39:05 ALL DRUGS, BIOLOGICAL PRODUCTS SUCH AS VACCINES, MEDICAL 09:39:10 DEVICES, ANIMAL DRUGS AND FEED. IT ALSO OVERSEES THE SAFETY OF A 09:39:16 VAST VARIETY OF FOOD PRODUCTS AS WELL AS MEDICAL AND CONSUMER 09:39:20 PRODUCTS, INCLUDING COSMETICS. AS COMMISSIONER OF FOOD AND 09:39:25 DRUGS, DR. VON ESCHENBACH WILL BE RESPONSIBLE FOR ADVANCING THE 09:39:29 PUBLIC HEALTH BY HELPING TO SPEED INNOVATIONS IN ITS MISSION 09:39:32 AREAS AND BY HELPING THE PUBLIC GET ACCURATE, SCIENCE-BASED 09:39:35 INFORMATION ON MEDICINES AND FOODS. 09:39:38 DR. VON ESCHENBACH HAS A STRONG RECORD. 09:39:39 HE'S AN ACCOMPLISHED SCIENTIST, A PROVEN MANAGER AND A MAN WITH 09:39:44 A VISION. HE'S ALSO A CANCER SURVIVOR AND 09:39:47 HE'S BROUGHT THAT PER -- PERSPECTIVE AND THE PASSION THAT 09:39:53 GOES WITH IT TO HIS GOVERNMENT SERVICES. 09:39:56 HE GAVE UP A JOB HE LOVED, DIRECTING THE NATIONAL CANCER 09:40:00 INSTITUTE, TO OFFER HIS SERVICE, WHAT I BELIEVE IS A MUCH MORE 09:40:03 CHALLENGING AND DEFINITELY THANKLESS JOB OF LEADING THE 09:40:06 F.D.A. THE F.D.A. HAS BEEN WITHOUT A 09:40:09 CONFIRMED COMMISSIONER FOR ALL BUT 18 MONTHS OF THE LAST FIVE 09:40:13 AND A HALF YEARS. EVER SEE A BUSINESS THAT COULD 09:40:16 RUN FOR FIVE AND A HALF YEARS WITHOUT HAVING A BOSS EXCEPT FOR 09:40:20 18 MONTHS? AND THAT WAS A TENUOUS 18 09:40:24 MONTHS. I THINK WE CAN ALL AGREE THAT WE 09:40:26 NEED A STRONG LEADER AT THE F.D.A. NOW AND ONE WHO HAS A 09:40:30 MANDATE TO ACT. HE NEEDS FULL AUTHORITY TO BRING 09:40:32 BACK THE MORALE OF THE DEPARTMENT AND TO GET THE JOB 09:40:36 DONE. WE MUST BE FORWARD-LOOKING. 09:40:39 THERE ARE MANY ITEMS BEFORE THE F.D.A. THAT REQUIRE THE 09:40:42 IMMEDIATE ATTENTION OF THE F.D.A. COMMISSIONER VESTED WITH 09:40:49 FULL AUTHORITY. BUT THAT AUTHORITY FLOWS 09:40:51 DIRECTLY FROM THE ACT OF SENATE CONFIRMATION. 09:40:53 WITHOUT A SENATE-CONFIRMED LEADER, WE CAN'T EXPECT THE 09:40:56 F.D.A. TO BE AS EFFECTIVE AS WE NEED IT TO BE. 09:40:59 I URGE MY COLLEAGUES TO CONSIDER THIS. 09:41:01 I KNOW THAT SOME OF MY COLLEAGUES ON AND OFF THE 09:41:03 COMMITTEE ARE NOT COMPLETELY SATISFIED WITH THEIR 09:41:06 INTERACTIONS WITH THE F.D.A. DURING DR. VON ESCHENBACH'S 09:41:11 TENURE. SOME WOULD URGE THAT THE F.D.A. 09:41:12 MOVE QUICKLY ON CERTAIN MATTERS BEFORE IT. 09:41:14 HOWEVER, I'M NOT SURE THAT HOLDING UP A NOMINATION OVER 09:41:17 SINGLE PRODUCTS OR SINGLE ISSUES IS THE RIGHT WAY TO ACHIEVE 09:41:20 FASTER ACTION. AND TO ENSURE THAT AGENCY 09:41:22 PROCESSES ARE FREE FROM THE PRESSURE OF POLITICS. 09:41:25 IN FACT, I STRONGLY BELIEVE THAT THE OPPOSITE WOULD OCCUR. 09:41:28 I THINK THIS IS A POSITION THAT HAS MORE CATCH-22'S THAN ANY 09:41:32 OTHER POSITION IN GOVERNMENT. I DO RESPECT THE RIGHT OF MY 09:41:36 COLLEAGUES TO DISAGREE WITH THE PRESIDENT'S CHOICE FOR THIS 09:41:38 POSITION OR THE POLICIES THAT A PRESIDENT'S NOMINEE MIGHT 09:41:42 PURSUE. IF OUR DISAGREEMENTS WITH THE 09:41:44 PRESIDENT'S CHOICE ARE SO STRONG, WE OUGHT TO VOTE AGAINST 09:41:48 THE NOMINEE. BUT IN LIGHT OF THE $1 TRILLION 09:41:52 WORTH OF DRUGS AND PRODUCTS OVERSEEN BY THE F.D.A. AND 09:41:55 HUNDREDS OF DRUG APPROVALS REVIEWED EVERY YEAR, I THINK WE 09:41:58 WOULD BE SETTING A DANGEROUS PRECEDENT IF ANY OF US HOLD UP 09:42:03 THE PRESIDENT'S CHOICE FOR F.D.A. COMMISSIONER OVER 09:42:07 DECISIONS MADE SROFPG ONE PRODUCT OR ONE ISSUE OR 09:42:11 SOMETHING EXTRANEOUS EVEN TO THE FOOD AND DRUG ADMINISTRATION. 09:42:15 IT WOULD BE AN ESPECIALLY DANGEROUS PRECEDENT AT THIS 09:42:17 POINT. WE HAVE A LOT ON OUR PLATE WITH 09:42:19 RESPECT TO THE F.D.A. DURING THE 110th CONGRESS. 09:42:22 WE HAVE TO REAUTHORIZE BOTH THE DRUG AND DEVICE USER FEE 09:42:26 PROGRAMS, ADDRESSING TWO EXPIRING PEDIATRIC PROGRAMS AND 09:42:30 IMPROVE OUR DRUG SAFETY SYSTEM. THE F.D.A. NEEDS A LEADER WITH 09:42:32 THE BACKING AND THE MANDATE THAT SENATE CONFIRMATION PROVIDES IN 09:42:36 ORDER TO BE OUR PARTNER IN THESE EFFORTS. 09:42:40 DR. VON ESCHENBACH RECEIVED SIGNIFICANT SUPPORT FROM THE 09:42:42 "HELP" COMMITTEE. THIS MAN COULD SERVE PATIENTS IN 09:42:45 MANY DIFFERENT WAYS AND HAS OFFERED TO SERVE THEM BY RUNNING 09:42:48 THIS CRITICALLY IMPORTANT AGENCY. 09:42:51 I'M TALKING ABOUT A DOCTOR WITH CANCER EXPERTISE, MANAGEMENT 09:42:57 EXPERTISE, VISION WHO HAS AGREED -- WHO HAS AGREED -- TO RUN THIS 09:43:00 AGENCY AT WHAT WE PAY BECAUSE HE WANTS TO GIVE BACK TO HIS 09:43:04 COUNTRY. I URGE MY COLLEAGUES WHO ARE NOT 09:43:06 ON OUR COMMITTEE TO GIVE DR. VON ESCHENBACH A CHANCE TO 09:43:09 EFFECTIVELY RUN THE F.D.A. WITH FULL STATUTORY AUTHORITY. 09:43:12 SO I URGE MY COLLEAGUES TO ACCEPT THE PRESIDENT'S NOMINEE, 09:43:17 DR. ANDREW VON ESCHENBACH AND TO VOTE TO CONFIRM HIM AS THE NEXT 09:43:20 COMMISSIONER OF FOOD AND DRUGS. VOTING "YES" ON THIS CLOTURE 09:43:24 VOTE WILL BE THE FIRST STEP IN MOVING TOWARDS A PERMANENT HEAD 09:43:27 TO OVERSEE THE SAFETY OF OUR NATION'S FOOD AND DRUG SYSTEM. 09:43:30 I WOULD YIELD THE FLOOR. THE PRESIDENT PRO TEMPORE: THE 09:43:33 SENATOR RESERVES THE BALANCE OF HIS TIME? 09:43:35 MR. ENZI: I WOULD RESERVE THE BALANCE OF MY TIME. 09:43:38 THE PRESIDENT PRO TEMPORE: THE SENATOR FROM A EU A EUFPLT. 09:43:40 MR. GRASSLEY: YES. MY OPPOSITION TO CLOTURE MOTION 09:43:46 IS AS MUCH ABOUT WHETHER WE'RE GOING TO FULFILL OUR 09:43:50 RESPONSIBILITIES OVER THE LEGISLATIVE BRANCH OF GOVERNMENT 09:43:52 AS IT IS ABOUT THE PARTICULAR QUALIFICATIONS OF THE NOMINEE. 09:43:55 I INTEND TO VOTE AGAINST CLOTURE. 09:43:58 AND I WOULD HOPE THAT DEMOCRATS WHO ARE LISTENING, PARTICULARLY 09:44:00 THOSE DEMOCRATS IN THE LAST ELECTION WHO ARE BELLY ACHING 09:44:05 BECAUSE THERE WASN'T ENOUGH OVERSIGHT ON THE PART OF 09:44:08 REPUBLICANS TOWARDS THE EXECUTIVE BRANCH OF GOVERNMENT 09:44:11 WOULD PAY ATTENTION TO THE FACT THAT THIS NOMINEE HAS SOMETHING 09:44:16 TO DO WITH, AND IS AN ILLUSTRATION OF THE LACK OF 09:44:21 COOPERATION ON THE PART OF THE EXECUTIVE BRANCH TO COOPERATE 09:44:25 WITH CONGRESS ON THE ISSUE OF CONGRESSIONAL OVERSIGHT. 09:44:29 I HAVE SERIOUS CONCERNS ABOUT WHAT THIS CLOTURE VOTE MEANS 09:44:32 THEN TO CONGRESSIONAL OVERSIGHT OF THE EXECUTIVE BRANCH NOW AND 09:44:36 IN THE FUTURE AND WHAT IT MEANS FOR MEMBERS LIKE ME WHO PLACED A 09:44:44 HOLD ON THIS NOMINEE, AND THIS WAS NOT A SECRET HOLD. 09:44:48 I MADE THIS HOLD PUBLIC. I'M VOTING AGAINST CLOTURE AND 09:44:52 ASK MY COLLEAGUES TO JOIN ME BECAUSE I BELIEVE WE NEED TO 09:44:54 SEND A MESSAGE TO THE EXECUTIVE BRANCH THAT IT'S NOT OKAY TO 09:45:00 IMPEDE CONGRESSIONAL INVESTIGATIONS. 09:45:01 IT'S NOT OKAY TO LIMIT THE SENATE'S ACCESS TO DOCUMENTS, 09:45:07 INFORMATION, AND EMPLOYEES OF THE EXECUTIVE BRANCH. 09:45:11 IN HIS BOOK ON CONGRESSIONAL GOVERNMENT WOODROW WILSON, 09:45:16 BEFORE HE WAS PRESIDENT, WHEN HE WAS A PROFESSOR AT PRINCETON, 09:45:19 WROTE IN 1885, "QUITE AS IMPORTANT AS LAW-MAKING IS 09:45:28 VIGILANT OVERSIGHT OF THE ADMINISTRATION." 09:45:31 OUR WORK AS LAWMAKERS DOES NOT END WITH THE PASSAGE OF A BILL. 09:45:36 THIS BODY HAS A RESPONSIBILITY TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE TO MAKE 09:45:40 SURE THAT LAWS WORK AND THEY'RE BEING IMPLEMENTED EFFECTIVELY, 09:45:45 EFFICIENTLY, ECONOMICALLY. CONGRESSIONAL OVERSIGHT SERVES 09:45:51 VERY IMPORTANT GOALS AND WE SHOULD NOT LOSE SIGHT. 09:45:54 THEY INCLUDE REVIEWING ACTIONS TAKEN AND REGULATIONS ADOPTED BY 09:45:58 THE EXECUTIVE AGENCIES TO MAKE SURE THAT THE AGENCIES ARE 09:46:03 EXECUTING LAW ACCORDING TO INTENT OF CONGRESS. 09:46:07 SECOND, ENSURING THAT THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT IS NOT 09:46:08 WASTING TAXPAYERS' DOLLARS. OVERSIGHT WORK ALLOWS US TO 09:46:14 EVALUATE THE ABILITY OF AGENCIES AND MANAGERS TO CARRY OUT 09:46:19 PROGRAM OBJTIVES AND IMPROVE THE EFFICIENCY, EFFECTIVENESS 09:46:24 AND ECONOMY OF GOVERNMENT PROGRAMS. 09:46:28 NEXT, ENSURING THAT EXECUTIVE POLICIES REFLECT THE PUBLIC 09:46:33 INTEREST. THAT PUBLIC INTEREST IS 09:46:37 EXPRESSED IN LAWS OF CONGRESS. AND LASTLY, PROTECTING THE 09:46:40 RIGHTS AND LIBERTIES OF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE. 09:46:42 WOODROW WILSON ALSO SAID IN HIS BOOK -- QUOTE -- "IT IS THE 09:46:45 PROPER DUTY OF A REPRESENTATIVE BODY TO LOOK DILIGENTLY INTO 09:46:50 EVERY AFFAIR OF GOVERNMENT AND TO TALK MUCH ABOUT WHAT IT SEES. 09:46:55 IT IS MEANT TO BE THE EYES, THE VOICE, AND EMBODY THE WISDOM AND 09:46:59 THE WILL OF ITS CONSTITUENTS." IN AMERICA, WITH OUR GOVERNMENT, 09:47:05 THE PUBLIC'S BUSINESS OUGHT TO BE PUBLIC. 09:47:07 BUT WHEN YOU HAVE COVERUPS AND THE LACK OFNFORMATION GOING TO 09:47:12 CONGRESS, AS DEMONSTRATED BY THIS REQUEST FOR DOCUMENTS -- 09:47:18 AND WE GET A PAGE BACK FROM THE AGENCY WITH 57 PAGES REMOVED. 09:47:22 NOW, WHAT'S IN THOSE 57 PAGES THAT WE OUGHT TO HAVE ACCESS TO? 09:47:27 AS JUST ONE EXAMPLE OF LACK OF INFORMATION AND LACK OF 09:47:33 COOPERATION FROM THIS AGENCY. THROUGHOUT HISTORY, CONGRESS HAS 09:47:38 ENGAGED IN OVERSIGHT OF THE EXECUTIVE BRANCH, THE RIGHT TO 09:47:44 CONGRESSIONAL OVERSIGHT HAS BEEN ASSERTED FROM EARLIEST DAYS OF 09:47:46 OUR REPUBLIC. 1792 HOUSE INVOKED ITS AUTHORITY 09:47:54 TO CONDUCT OVERSIGHT WHEN IT APPOINTED A COMMITTEE TO 09:47:56 INVESTIGATE THE DEFEAT OF GENERAL SAINT CLAIRE AND HIS 09:47:58 ARMY BY INDIANS IN THE NORTHWEST AND EMPOWERED -- QUOTE -- "CALL 09:48:03 FOR SUCH PERSONS, PAPERS AND RECORDS AS MAY BE NECESSARY FOR 09:48:08 THAT INQUIRY." IN FACT, THE CONSTITUTION GRANTS 09:48:13 CONGRESS EXPENSIVE -- EXTENSIVE AUTHORITY TO OVERSEE AND 09:48:17 INVESTIGATE EXECUTIVE BRANCH ACTIVITIES. 09:48:21 CONGRESSIONAL OVERSIGHT WAS ALSO RECOGNIZED EXPLICITLY IN THE 09:48:24 PASSAGE OF THE LEGISLATIVE REORGANIZATION ACT OF 1946, 09:48:29 WHICH REQUIRED THE STANDING COMMITTEES OF CONGRESS TO 09:48:32 EXERCISE -- QUOTE -- "CONTINUOUS WATCHFULNESS" OVER PROGRAMS AND 09:48:38 AGENCIES IN THEIR JURISDICTION. NUMEROUS SUPREME COURT DECISIONS 09:48:43 WILL SUPPORT ALL THE PRECEDENCE FOR CONGRESS TO SEE ALL ASPECTS 09:48:47 OF THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT. IN 1927, McBRAIN Vs. 09:48:53 DOEHERTY. THE SUPREME COURT UPHELD 09:48:55 CONGRESSIONAL AUTHORITY TO CONDUCT OVERSIGHT TEAPOT DOME 09:49:01 SCANDAL. JUSTICE VANDERVANNER WRITING FOR 09:49:03 THE UNANIMOUS COURT -- QUOTE -- "WE ARE 09:49:05 OF THE OPINION THAT THE POWER OF INQUIRY WITH THE 09:49:10 PROCESS TO ENFORCE IT IS AN ESSENTIAL AND APPROPRIATE 09:49:14 AUXILIARY TO THE LEGISLATIVE FUNCTION." 09:49:17 TO DO OVERSIGHT, CONGRESS NEEDS ACCESS TO INFORMATION AND PEOPLE 09:49:20 IN THE EXECUTIVE BRANCH AND THAT IS WHAT I DID -- THAT IS WHAT I 09:49:25 DID NOT AND STILL AM NOT GETTING FROM THE F.D.A. UNDER THE 09:49:30 LEADERSHIP OF DR. VON ESCHENBACH, AS AN EXAMPLE. 09:49:34 47 PAGES REMOVED. ANOTHER EXAMPLE. 09:49:40 43 PAGES REMOVED. NOW, HOW ARE YOU GOING TO 09:49:42 CONDUCT OVERSIGHT WHEN YOU GET ANSWERS LIKE THAT FROM THE FOOD 09:49:47 AND DRUG ADMINISTRATION? SO I TAKE EXCEPTION TO THE 09:49:51 STATEMENT MADE IN SUPPORT OF THE CLOTURE MOTION. 09:49:55 PEOPLE OUGHT TO BESHAMED OF SAYING DR. ANDREW VON ESCHENBACH 09:50:00 HAS DONE A SUPERB JOB IN THE POSITION HE IS CURRENTLY 09:50:05 OCCUPYING. WITH AN ANSWER LIKE THAT TO THE 09:50:06 CONGRESS OF THE UNITED STATES, THAT'S AN INSULT. 09:50:10 BEFORE YOU CAST YOUR VOTE IN FAVOR OF CLOTURE, CONSIDER 09:50:15 WHAT'S AT STAKE HERE, AND PARTICULARLY PEOPLE ON THE OTHER 09:50:18 SIDE OF THE AISLE WHO DURING THE CAMPAIGN, IN CAMPAIGN COMMERCIAL 09:50:22 AFTER CAMPAIGN COMMERCIAL AFTER CAMPAIGN COMMERCIAL SAID 09:50:26 CONGRESS IS NOT DOING ITS JOB OF OVERSIGHT, IMPLYING THAT 09:50:29 REPUBLICANS WERE COVERING UP WRONGDOING BY THE 09:50:36 ADMINISTRATION. IF YOU WANT TO PRESERVE YOUR 09:50:39 ACCESS TO INFORMATION TO DO THE OVERSIGHT THAT YOU THINK YOU'RE 09:50:42 GOING TO DO WHEN YOU'RE IN THE MAJORITY AND YOU GET ANSWERS 09:50:45 LIKE THAT BACK, YOU THINK YOU'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO DO THE JOB 09:50:50 OF OVERSIGHT THAT YOU'RE DOING. MY INTERACTIONS WITH THE 09:50:57 DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH AND HUMAN SERVICES AND THE F.D.A. THESE 09:50:59 LAST EIGHT MONTHS, I'VE SEEN A COMPLETE AND UTTER DISRESPECT 09:51:04 FOR CONGRESSIONAL AUTHORITY AND, HENCE, THE LAW. 09:51:08 THE DEPARTMENT AND THE FOOD AND DRUG ADMINISTRATION HAS 09:51:10 REPEATEDLY FAILED TO ACT IN GOOD FAITH IN RESPONDING TO 09:51:14 CONGRESSIONAL INVESTIGATIONS, AND THE LACK OF 43 PAGES IS JUST 09:51:19 ONE EXAMPLE. THIS DIRECTOR'S LEADERSHIP UNDER 09:51:29 IT AT THE F.D.A. HAS FAILED TO FULLY COMPLY WITH TWO 09:51:32 CONGRESSIONAL SUBPOAS THAT WERE ISSUED SEVEN MONTHS AGO. 09:51:37 EFFORTS TO ACCOMMODATE THE AGENCY'S CONCERNS FALL ON DEAF 09:51:39 EARS AND I WONDER IF I'M DEALING WITH DYSFUNCTION BY DESIGN. 09:51:45 NOT ONLY HAS THE F.D.A. WITHHELD DOCUMENTS THAT DO NOT APPEAR TO 09:51:49 BE PRIVILEGED, BUT IT ALSO SAYS WHAT HAS BEEN WITHHELD AND WHY. 09:51:55 THE SUBPOENA COMPEL A PRIVILEGED LAW BUT THE F.D.A. HAS NOT 09:51:59 PROVIDED US WITH THAT PRIVILEGED LOG. 09:52:04 SO FOR DEMOCRATS IN THE MAJORITY NEXT YEAR DOING THE OVERSIGHT 09:52:10 THAT THEY SAID THAT THEY WERE GOING TO DO BECAUSE REPUBLICANS 09:52:16 WEREN'T DOING IT, THEN LET ME ASK YOU THIS. 09:52:18 ARE YOU GOING TO BE ABLE TO CONDUCT OVERSIGHT WHEN YOU GET 09:52:22 ANSWERS LIKE THAT? ARE YOU GOING TO BE ABLE TO 09:52:24 CONDUCT OVERSIGHT WHEN FOR SEVEN MONTHS YOU DON'T GET YOUR 09:52:27 SUBPOENAS RESPONDED TO? SO WHAT IS THE AGENCY'S 09:52:33 EXPLANATION? THE F.D.A. HAS THAT SAID SO MANY 09:52:35 DOCUMENTS HAVE WITHHELD THAT IT IS UNDULY BURDENSOME TO PROVIDE 09:52:40 A PRIVILEGED LAW. EVEN IN THE F.D.A. GENERAL 09:52:46 COUNSEL AS RECENTLY AS TUESDAY OF THIS WEEK COULD NOT SEE WHY 09:52:49 THE AGENCY NEEDED TO COMPLY WITH THE LAW AND THE TERMS OF THE 09:52:54 SUBPOENA ISSUED BY THE COMMITTEE. 09:52:56 IN DENYING THE COMMITTEE ACCESS TO THE DOCUMENTS RESPONSIVE TO 09:53:00 THE SUBPOENA, THE DEPARTMENT AND THE FOOD AND DRUG ADMINISTRATION 09:53:05 HAVE CLAIMED -- QUOTE -- "PROSECUTORIAL DELIBERATIVE 09:53:11 PROCESS" OR "CONFIDENTIAL COMMUNICATIONS" OR "AGENCY 09:53:14 PREROGATIVE TO DETERMINE WHO WILL BE INTERVIEWED AND TESTIFY 09:53:21 BEFORE A JURISDICTIONAL COMMITTEE." 09:53:23 NOW, WHEN YOU GET ANSWERS LIKE THAT, YOU ON THE OTHER SIDE OF 09:53:26 THE AISLE WHEN YOU'RE GOING TO BE IN THE MAJORITY, WHAT ARE YOU 09:53:29 GOING TO DO ABOUT IT? ARE YOU GOING TO KEEP YOUR 09:53:31 COMMITMENT TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE WHEN YOU WON THE 09:53:34 MAJORITY, AND ARE YOU GOING TO BE ABLE TO DO THE OVERSIGHT WHEN 09:53:36 YOU GET RATIONALES LIKE "PROSECUTORIAL DELIBERATIVE 09:53:41 PROCESS" "CONFIDENTIAL COMMUNICATION," "AGENCY 09:53:46 PREROGATIVE?" I COULD NOT TALK TO A LINE AGENT 09:53:49 NAMED "WES" BECAUSE YOU CAN'T TALK TO LINE AGENTS, WHEN THREE 09:53:54 MONTHS BEFORE I TALKED TO LINE AGENTS. 09:53:57 BEFORE THE JUDICIARY COMMITTEE, THERE WAS SOMEBODY THERE FROM 09:53:59 THE JUDICIARY -- FROM THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT WHEN SENATOR 09:54:03 KENNEDY SAID, I WANT ACCESS TO LINE AGENTS, UNRELATED TO WHAT 09:54:07 I'M TALKING ABOUT HERE, BECAUSE LINE AGENT WES THAT I WANTED TO 09:54:11 TALK TO, I WAS TOLD I COULDN'T TALK TO BECAUSE YOU CAN'T TALK 09:54:15 TO LINE AGENTS. THE OFFICIAL AT THE JUSTICE 09:54:17 DEPARTMENT SAID TO SENATOR KENNEDY, YOU CAN TALK TO LINE 09:54:20 AGENTS, WE'LL GET THEM FOR YOU. NOW, I DON'T KNOW WHETHER THAT 09:54:25 EVER HAPPENED OR NOT BUT THAT'S THE ANSWER HE GOT. 09:54:27 SO WHEN I GOT AROUND TO DOING MY QUESTIONING OF THAT JUSTICE 09:54:31 DEPARTMENT OFFICIAL, I SAID, WELL, WHAT ABOUT MY ABILITY TO 09:54:34 TALK TO LINE AGENT WES? WELL, IT JUST SEEMED LIKE I WAS 09:54:37 GOING TO BE ABLE TO TALK TO LINE AGENT WES. 09:54:39 BUT YET THIS VERY DAY, THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT IS ADVISING 09:54:45 THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR THAT WE CAN'T TALK TO LINE AGENT 09:54:49 WES, WHICH IS KEY TO WHETHER OR NOT SOME OF THESE INVESTIGATIONS 09:54:53 ARE ALLOWING DANGEROUS DRUGS ON THE MARKET. 09:54:58 AND IN CEDAR RAPIDS, IOWA, I HAVE A FAMILY THAT LOST AN 09:55:02 18-YEAR-OLD BECAUSE OF A DRUG THAT WAS ON THE MARKET -- NOT ON 09:55:07 THE MARKET NOW. THAT WAS ON THE MARKET THEN. 09:55:11 IT SEEMS TO ME IF YOU'RE CONCERNED ABOUT THE SAFETY OF 09:55:13 DRUGS, THIS INFORMATION IS IMPORTANT. 09:55:17 AND IF YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE IT COVERED UP IN THE F.D.A., THAT 09:55:23 YOU AREN'T PROTECTING THE PUBLIC. 09:55:25 AND IF CONGRESSMEN KNOW ABOUT IT, YOU AREN'T DOING YOUR JOB OF 09:55:28 OVERSIGHT. THIS PAST SUMMER, I ASKED THE 09:55:35 CONGRESSIONAL RESEARCH SERVICE TO LOOK INTO THE DEPARTMENT'S 09:55:38 POLICIES REGARDING THIS MATTER, AND C.R.S. TOLD ME THAT THERE IS 09:55:42 -- QUOTE -- "NO LEGAL BASIS" FOR THE DEPARTMENT'S EXECUTIVE 09:55:47 BRANCH ASSERTIONS. THE LEGAL ANALYSIS PROVIDED BY 09:55:51 C.R.S. SUPPORTS THE COMMITTEE'S POSITION THAT THESE EXECUTIVE 09:55:54 AGENCY CLAIMS HAVE BEEN CONSISTENTLY REJECTED AND 09:55:58 COMPLIANCE WITH CONGRESSIONAL REQUESTS IN THE PAST HAS BEEN 09:56:02 FORTHCOMING. C.R.S. CITES NUMEROUS COURT 09:56:05 CASES WHICH ESTABLISH AND SUPPORT CONGRESS'S POWER TO 09:56:08 ENGAGE IN OVERSIGHT AND INVESTIGATION ACTIVITIES AND ITS 09:56:13 ACCESS TO EXECUTIVE BRANCH PERSONNEL AND DOCUMENTS IN 09:56:16 CARRYING OUT OUR POWERS OF OVERSIGHT. 09:56:18 THE DEPARTMENT, H.H.S., F.D.A., WITHIN H.H.S. SAYS IT HAS BEEN 09:56:26 RESPONSIVE BECAUSE THE AGENCY MADE AVAILABLE HUNDREDS OF 09:56:29 THOUSANDS, EVEN MILLIONS OF PAGES OF DOCUMENTS TO THE 09:56:32 FINANCE COMMITTEE IN RESPONSE TO SUBPOENAS. 09:56:34 BUT THE AGENCY CAN GIVE ME -- BUT THE AGENCY CAN GIVE ME ALL 09:56:38 THE BOOKS AND ALL THE DOCUMENTS HOUSED AT THE LIBRARY OF 09:56:40 CONGRESS AND IT WON'T MATTER IF IT'S NOT WHAT I'VE ASKED FOR AND 09:56:45 THE PAGES ARE REMOVED. IT IS THIS TYPE OF COOPERATION 09:56:50 THAT I'M GETTING UNDER THIS DIRECTOR THAT YOU'RE NOW GOING 09:56:52 TO CONFIRM. I'M VERY CONCERNED ABOUT THE 09:56:59 COOPERATION, IF ANY, THAT WE HAVE ONCE HE BECOMES A PERMANENT 09:57:04 COMMISSIONER. AND EVERY MEMBER OF CONGRESS 09:57:05 SHOULD BE EQUALLY CONCERNED IF THEY TAKE THEIR CONSTITUTIONAL 09:57:08 DUTY OF CONDUCTING OVERSIGHT OF THE EXECUTIVE BRANCH SERIOUSLY 09:57:13 AND, MOST IMPORTANTLY, TO THE NEW MAJORITY. 09:57:16 WHEN YOU'RE GOING TO CARRY OUT YOUR CAMPAIGN PROMISES TO MAKE 09:57:19 SURE THAT THERE'S PROPER OVERSIGHT, CHECKS AND BALANCES 09:57:23 AGAINST AN EXECUTIVE BRANCH OF GOVERNMENT YOU THINK'S EXCEEDING 09:57:26 AUTHORITY. IF THIS IS THE TYPE, EVERY 09:57:40 MEMBER SHOULD BE CONCERNED. I CANNOT EMPHASIZE THIS ENOUGH, 09:57:45 BUT A VOTE FOR CLOTURE TODAY IS A VOTE AGAINST OVERSIGHT AND 09:57:49 THAT IS NOT WHAT THIS SENATE SHOULD BE DOING AND IT IS NOT 09:57:52 WHAT THE AMERICAN PEOPLE SENT US HERE TO DO. 09:57:56 WE NEED TO STEP UP CONGRESSIONAL OVERSIGHT TO PROTECT OUR 09:58:00 NATION'S SYSTEMS OF CHECKS AND BALANCES AND NOT REWARD THOSE 09:58:04 WHO SEEK TO IMPEDE OUR CONSTITUTIONAL AUTHORITY. 09:58:08 THIS BODY SHOULD NOT WALK HAND IN HAND WITH THE EXECUTIVE 09:58:12 BRANCH AND SIT IDLY BY AS INSTANCES OF WASTE, FRAUD AND 09:58:18 ABUSE CONTINUE TO ENDANGER THE HEALTH AND SAFETY OF THE 09:58:21 AMERICAN PEOPLE. THIS SENATE NEEDS TO MAKE IT 09:58:24 CLEAR TO THE EXECUTIVE BRANCH THAT CONGRESS TAKES ITS 09:58:28 OVERSIGHT RESPONSIBILITIES SERIOUSLY AND TO VOTE AGAINST 09:58:31 CLOTURE. AND IF WE DO HAVE CLOTURE, I 09:58:32 WILL HAVE OTHER REMARKS DURING POST-CLOTURE DEBATE. 09:58:39 A SENATOR: MADAM PRESIDENT? THE PRESIDING OFFICER: THE 09:58:41 SENATOR FROM WYOMING. MR. ENZI: I WANT TO JUST BRIEFLY 09:58:47 MAKE A COMMENT HERE BECAUSE I UNDERSTAND THE SENATOR'S 09:58:53 FRUSTRATION. I'VE BEEN WORKING WITH HIM TO 09:58:54 TRY TO GET DOCUMENTS, TRYING TO GET THE INTERVIEW WITH MR. WES. 09:59:00 I WANT YOU TO PUT YOURSELF IN DR. HERB BOCK'S POSITION. 09:59:04 HE IS NOT CONFIRMED. HE DOES NOT HAVE FULL AUTHORITY 09:59:06 TO RUN THAT DEPARTMENT. SO WHAT HE HAS TO DO IS RELY ON 09:59:08 THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE, A