CONRAD MURRAY TRIAL DAY 17 P1
FTG FOR COVERAGE ON MICHAEL JACKSON / INT BROLL COURT PROCEEDINGS OF JACKSON DEATH INVESTIGATION AND HIS DOCTOR CONRAD MURRAY DAY 17
9:28:10 COURT RESUMES
9:28:14 CHERYL LEE STILL ON STAND, CHERNOFF CONTINUES QUESTIONING
9:29:50 CHERYL LEE SAYS SHE DOESN'T FEEL WELL, SAYS SHE FEELS DIZZY
9:30:00 "THIS IS VERY SENSITIVE FOR ME."
---COURT PAUSES WHILE LEE GETS SOME REST---
9:55:52 COURT RESUMES
(missed first seconds)--cheryl speaking about how she got into medicine
9:56:28 CHERNOFF are you a big believer in holistic medicine?
LEE: i certainly am. i wouldn't be here if i didn't believe in it.
9:56:43 CHERNOFF tell us why you're a big believer
9:56:49 im a big believer in holistic medicine because i have had medical challenges myself. im a grandmother of 8 because i do what i do is antiaging and it makes you feel well. at age 7 i broke my legs and amputated. at age 7 there was one doctor when i was young who stood out and asid they were not going to amputate my legs, i felt from that time on i want to do give back what this doctor gave to me. and then i had in two coma's in the past, in 1992 i really am going to do more and more research because i feel n o one should have to suffer and i know whole heartedly you dont have to. one thing we do is put that first
9:58:15 CHERNOFF i would like to talk about april 2009 are we ok?
LEE yes we are
9:59:01 may i show you a part of your medical records?
--chernoff walks over to Lee---
9:59:46 CHERNOFF when you are testifying yesterday, you were talkinga bout eastery sunday and we were talking about you spending the night at Mj's house and i want to clear the dates up
10:00:08 CHERNOFF april 12th was an easter sunday
LEE yes
10:00:14 CHERNOFF and you went out to Michael jacksons's house and he told you he needed products for sleep
LEE yes
10:00:26 CHERNOFF on the 19th you went out again to his house
LEE yes
10:00:33 CHERNOFF a week later, that was a sunday, and this was a morning appointment, he said i just cant sleep
10:00:46 i was actually there on the 19th to prepare smoothies and prepare a b12 shot. and he did bring up that he can't sleep
10:01:02 CHERNOFF and he brought up the idea of you to come and stay with him that night?
LEE yes
10:02:57 CHERNOFF that evening when you went up to his room did he discuss the need for a particular drug
LEE yes he did. he said diprovan. that happened that morning
10:01:11 CHERNOFF and you agreed to do that. and he wanted to do that because he wanted to show you he couldnt sleep. he told you he had 2 to 3 hour pattern of sleep
LEE yes he did
10:01:32 CHERNOFF at some point during the evening, we really didnt nail down the time, was it some time after 11
LEE yes
10:01:51 CHERNOFF some point during that period of time, he addressed with you this issue about sleep again
LEE yes he did
****10:02:03 he talked about his need to be knocked out
10:02:10 if we can go back a little on the 19th before i went to see him that night i saw him that morning
10:03:56 CHERNOFF and then he asked you to come back that night?
CHERNOFF was there a conversation that morning about diprovan?
LEE yes
10:04:30 the conversation he asked me i have a lot of problems sleeping, is deprovan
10:04:43 we went through had talked about everything possible that was natural to help him sleep and also during this time i discussed with him sleep hygiene and he made a comment about coming back that night. maybe your room has too much lighting, i said i need to see if you have a phone near your head, too much lighting, too much interference with the outside the environment. i also had a video tape from one of the doctors at a seminar on sleep studies and hygiene and i had taken that with me too and i wanted him to see that too
10:05:53 CHERNOFF i want to back up and re ask the question. did he tell you why he was unable to sleep when you had this conversation
10:06:06 he did not tell me why he could not sleep he just had problems sleeping
10:06:14 CHERNOFF the video you're referencing did you bring that on the 19th
10:06:20 i brought that later
10:06:43 CHERNOFF how did he appear to you he needed deprovan. did he desperate, what was his emotion that he was portraying
***10:06:55 his emotion , because he was sitting very close to me, from here where the computer is sitting, and he looked at me and said i have a lot of difficulty sleeping, i tried everything, what i need is something that will help me fall asleep right away and the only thing that would do that is deprovan
CHERNOFF did you know what diprovan was?
10:07:34 no i did not. never.
10:07:44 yes it was a concern.
10:07:51 CHERNOFF did you believe that he had received diprovan in the past
LEE i didnt know what it was so i dont know if received it in the past....um, yes.
10:08:08 CHERNOFF so, you eventually agreed to come back that night?
LEE yes.
10:08:18 CHERNOFF and in the interim you researched what it was
LEE yes
10:08:33 i called, because it was on a sunday, i did call someone who was a physician and i asked what is deprovan and he explained to me what it was, its an anesthetic used for surgery. i said, my, so its never used at home. he said absolutely not
CHERNOFF did you do more than talk to this doctor
LEE no he just told me what it was
10:09:20 yes
10:09:23 CHERNOFF what time did you go back to the house on the 19th
10:09:31 i was still at the house
10:09:37 michael jackson was in his bedroom. i stepped outside and made the phone call to the doctor and went back upstairs. during the day
10:09:56 CHERNOFF and then you came back in and told MJ?
LEE yes.
***10:10:04 CHERNOFF did that seem to satisfy MJ? did he agree with you
***10:10:11 he said doctors have told him that its safe and he would not have a problem. he said doctors have told me its safe. well no doctor is going to do this at your house. he said no i just need someone to come here i would be safe its monitored. as long as im being monitored
10:10:47 CHERNOFF at what point did the two of you agree to come back that evening
LEE no i left and i told him lets just try nutritional IV one more time, and ill bring some other supplements, so i went to my office, so he was trying to convince me that doctors have told me its safe. i got to my office to bring my pdr, when i went back that evening with his other nutrition i showed to him the pdr.
10:11:33 CHERNOFF did he ever tell you during this period of time that he had been adminsitered this in the past?
LEE for surgery he did
10:11:44 CHERNOFF did he ever told you he had it administered for anything else
LEE no
10:11:59 and he said, i woke up and i didnt even know that i was asleep that long. he said, i had fallen asleep so easily and i wanted to have that experience again. i want to fall asleep easily im doing a lot of work right now and i dont want to stay awake for hours i want something that will help me sleep right away. i know this would knock me out im knocked out and asleep
10:12:46 CHERNOFF is this based on your memory?
10:12:51 its based on medical records
CHERNOFF please go to your medical records that discussing that part of the conversation.
LEE i actually dont see it
10:13:53 CHERNOFF you have thought about this for two years, havent you
10:13:59 have i thought about his for two years everyday? ....um, i dont think about this everyday for two years. not everyday
10:14:14 CHERNOFF So when you testified yesterday you talked about MJ sleeping for 4 or 5 hours?
LEE yes
10:14:25CHERNOFF you have reviewed your medical records? and you talk about 3 hours later he woke up?
10:14:35 yes
10:14:36 CHERNOFF ok. um, i want you to try to remember as best you can whether or not dr murray was ever mentioned in this conversation, dr klein?
LEE no. no.
10:15:03 CHERNOFF did he ever mention to you how long he had had this problem with sleep
10:15:12 he said in rehearsal or planning for a concert, because he has so much energy into what hes doing, its hard for him to turn everything off and fall asleep at night
10:15:37 CHERNOFF on the 19th, after he woke up, what kind of ...did you have a conversation with MJ?
10:15:45 yes.
10:15:51 he wasn't happy he didnt sleep longer.
***CHERNOFF was he upset with you?
***10:16:04 he was a tad bit upset he said the nutrition wasnt working
10:16:07 CHERNOFF did you mention the drug diprovan again?
10:16:17 um i dont remember. yes. he said im telling you the only thing thats going to sleep right away is diprovan can you find someone to help me sleep and that was the 19th that evening
***10:17:15 yes he was. he said now that i have not been able to sleep all night, this is going to mess up my performance for the day. the only thing thats going to help is deprovan and this is not working
10:17:56 CHERNOFF if he had called you, you would have
LEE for nutritional support, yes.
10:18:05 CHERNOFF i want to fast forward to june 21st, 2009. two months later. you do not have any medical records. do you remember getting a call from faheem muhammed
LEE yes.
10:18:35 no i dont know exactly what time it was. it was that morning, morning of
10:18:46 CHERNOFF and do you know the purpose of the call?
10:18:54 faheem, no.
10:18:59 CHERNOFF he just called you out of the blue?
10:19:04 he called me because he said michael wanted to see me
10:19:21 CHERNOFF do you know MJ was with faheem?
10:19:26 yes.
10:19:27CHERNOFF how do you know
LEE i can hear michael in the background
10:19:33 CHERNOFF what did you hear him say
***10:19:35 he was telling faheem tell her what's wrong with me, tell her whats happening to me, one half of my body is hot one half of my body is cold. i was out of the state i was in florida, i told faheem i dont know whats happening, i said im too far away he needs to go to the hospital...i told faheem someone needs to tell him to the hospital. my concern was on the 19th april, 09, when i had taken my PDR and gone through the symptoms and side affects of propofol, he had to be in a hospital its not a sleep aid in the first place. i went through a battery of symptoms in the PDR and you know i felt maybe he realized some of the symptoms i really dont know but i told him he should go to the hospital
10:21:12 CHERNOFF do you recall speaking to police about this event
10:21:17 i believe so
10:21:23 CHERNOFF do you remember telling them you thought the opinion was MJ was under influence of central nervous system
no i said the symptoms he had stated. i said i dont know whats going on with him and im too far away to assess whats going on so he needs to go to the hospital i didn't say he was on anything.
10:21:56 CHERNOFF at what point did you think it was propofol
10:22:00 i remember the symptoms in the book in the pdr and that was one of the symptoms i had gone through for mr jackson
10:22:16 CHERNOFF the reason i asked is because you spoke with police july 9th, and your response was you believe introduced to a central nervous system
LEE no i dont
10:22:33 CHERNOFF do you have any information in july any info about drugs MJ had been taking?
10:22:51 no.
10:22:55 CHERNOFF did faheem muhammed tell you about any drugs he had been taking?
LEE no.
-----CHERNOFF FINISHES QUESTIONING----
---WALGREN BEGINS QUESTIONING----
10:23:43 WALGREN how long have you been a nurse?
10:23:47 since 1982
10:23:53 hWALGREN ow long have you..when did you get your PHD?
10:24:05 in holistic medicine. it was an online program. um, it was about 86
10:24:23WALGREN when you first started trying to help MJ, i believe on february 1st you had gone out because kids had cold symptoms
10:24:38 yes, i started with the kids in january 29th, that was my first time going to michael's house.
WALGREN you went back the following day, feb 1st to offer vitamins to MJ?
10:24:57 yes
10:24:58 WALGREN you documented and kept medical records in your care to MJ?
LEE yes
10:25:12 WALGREN you did fairly extensive work up in MJ's general health when you first met with him on february
10:25:20 yes.
10:25:28 WALGREN some medical history, he had lupis and vitaligo...you noted that early on in your encounters you noted as a problem for sleep is he consumed large amount of red bull
LEE yes
10:25:52 WALGREN you would see these redu bull cans out plain to see it was obvious?
LEE yes
10:26:01 WALGREN you also noted that he at some point during your care for MJ, he would go to sleep with lights on music on movies on from time to time and obvious indication something needed to be remedied for sleep?
LEE yes
10:26:28 WALGREN in this initial february 1st meeting with mr jackson you filled out forms and uh, took a general health survey you asked questions about his health
LEE yes
10:26:55 WALGREN you also learned in that initial encounter, that during concerts or when he was performing he would lose body fluids and you note, people would have to mop the floor from sweat
LEE yes thats what he said to me
10:27:19 WALGREN and in this feb 1st encounter, do you have your progress notes from feb 1st, 2009?
LEE yes
10:27:40 ---WALGREN APPROACHES WITNESS----
10:28:12 WALGREN in first meeting you noted all his vital signs...going across what did you note
his blood pressure, pulse rate, respiratory rate, and i didnt weigh him i asked him his weight
10:28:46 WALGREN you made the determination to pursue blood work or lab work
LEE yes
10:29:00 because he wanted to start a nutritional program and i needed to find out where he was with his health and i also wanted to find out where he was with his health its important to do lab work first
10:29:21 WALGREN as part of your plan you advised MJ to discontinue red bull drinks?
LEE yes
10:29:46 WALGREN eventually you on a future date you were able to get lab results from labratory and you were able to go through them with MJ
LEE yes. we had a long comprehensive visit to go through lab results
10:30:15 WALGREN you have progress notes for the following day of february 2nd, 2009
LEE yes
10:30:52 WALGREN you have progress notes for february 3rd?
LEE yes
10:30:59 WALGREN in each of them youre documenting his complaint if any, present illness if any, your findings your impressions your recommendations you list if theres going to be a future appointment
LEE yes
10:31:19 WALGREN feburary 16th you document all of this in a progress report noting his blood pressure?
LEE yes
10:31:30 WALGREN on feb 16th you also note in your progress note you discuss the lab results
LEE yes
10:31:45WALGREN at the bottom of that page you again note the continuing plan that he needs to discontinue red bull drinks
LEE yes
10:31:58 WALGREN were there two sep lab screenings?
LEE two
10:32:13 the second one was done because i set him on a treatment plan based on lab work, and i wanted to see how effective the treatment was and everything had gone to normal. greatly
10:32:32 WALGREN this was through your advice of discontinuing red bull, giving vitamins and following up on nutritional needs
LEE yes
10:33:53 WALGREN going to march 13th, 2009
10:33:58 WALGREN again, complaints, present illness, and ongoing plan is documented?
LEE yes
10:34:13 WALGREN march 16th, same progress note form. you note that no complaints, feels good, note recommendation for further vitamins, meyers nutritional cocktail and further nutritional supplements
LEE yes
10:34:45 WALGREN this documentation continues through march 20th 2009, march 24 2009, march 26th 2009, march 31st 2009, and then we get to april 12th 2009 where you note mr jackson chief complaint is he needs products for sleep willing to try natural products. and thats all noted on your progress form. along with future nutritional supplements
LEE yes
10:35:38 WALGREN his energy is great but hes unable to sleep while natural products are not working
LEE yes
10:36:08 WALGREN and again, plan for action involves high protein smoothies, meyers nutritional cocktail, b12, vitamins and thats all documented on april 19th documents
LEE yes
10:36:27 WALGREN now on april 19th then, you according to progress notes, you met with MJ in the morning
LEE yes
10:36:52 WALGREN and, in that sometime in that morning conversation, you note in your records that the patient requested overnight observation to watch him sleep to understand his pattern of sleeping for 2 to 3 hours. he needed something to knock him out
LEE yes
10:37:23 WALGREN in that morning conversation is when he began to tell you about this medicine he called diprovan which now you know to be propofol
LEE yes
10:37:43WALGREN this is all documented in your medical records
LEE yes
10:37:50WALGREN you had not heard of diprovan or utilize it in anyway?
LEE no
***10:38:18 WALGREN have you ever used propofol or diprovan at anytime?
LEE no
10:38:27 WALGREN when mr jackson expressed an interest in diprovan, you had to research it and get up to speed on it
LEE yes
10:38:39 WALGREN and so you made a telephone call initially
LEE yes
10:39:01WALGREN at that time you advise mr jackson, that this was a medication he didnt want to use because its not a sleep medication for insomnia its only used for emergency room or ICU
LEE yes
WALGREN and it was not safe to use at home?
LEE definitively
***10:39:28 mr jackson responded you he assured he would be safe he only needs a doctor to monitor him while he sleeps
LEE yes
10:40:01 WALGREN and then on that same day, april 19th, did you have your physicians reference with you?
LEE yes
10:40:25 WALGREN did you explain to him the side effects?
LEE yes
10:41:02 WALGREN did you advise mr jackson of the outward physical symptoms?
LEE yes
***10:41:11 WALGREN was some of those dizziness?
LEE yes
***10:41:16 WALGREN agitation?
LEE yes
***10:41:18 WALGREN chills?
LEE yes
***10:41:21 WALGREN delirium
LEE yes
****WALGREN shivering and trembling? twitching? no fever? no
***10:41:36 WALGREN when you reviewed the physicians desk references you concluded and advised that it could be very dangerous used in a home setting
***10:41:54 as i was going through all the symptoms one of the symptoms was memory loss, and i knew was working with a great entertainer, i said what if you start forgetting your lines? he said i would never forget my lines. he just kept telling me doctors told me it would be safe
***10:42:27WALGREN you note in your medical records, you indicated michael jackson, i understand you want a good nights sleep, you want to be knocked out, but what if you dont wak up
LEE yes.
***10:42:48 WALGREN and he responded again, i will be ok i only need someone to monitor me with the equipment while i sleep
****yes thats exactly what he said.
10:43:04 ----CHERYL GETS UPSET, STARTS CRYING A LITTLE-----
10:43:50 WALGREN that evening, april 19th, you did stay into the night for the purpose of watching and noting michael jacksons sleep pattern
LEE yes
10:44:05 WALGREN you say that by 1215 the patient was asleep, approx. 3 hours alter he woke up upset, telling me see i only need IV
***10:44:29 WALGREN please find me a doctor and you explained again, this is not safe and he tried to assure you he would be safe, as long as a doctor would be with him and monitor him if he slept with the IV drip
LEE yes
***10:44:53 WALGREN you w ere not willing to give MJ propfpol diprovan or iv drip?
LEE absolutely not. thats absolutely correct
***WALGREN you learned it could kill him?
***LEE yes it wasnt used for a home setting
10:45:17WALGREN after this meeting you never saw mr jackson again did you?
LEE no
***10:45:55 WALGREN in that july 2009 interview you relayed to police you told MJ in response to request for propofol, "no one who cared or have your best interest at hear is going to give you this"
LEE yes id id tell him that
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---CHERNOFF----
10:46:28 CHERNOFF: ms lee prior to talking to police did you takl to anyone else
LEE yes
10:46:38 CHERNOFFwho?
***10:46:46 prior to speaking to police? yes. i did other interviews yes. um, larry king and several others.
10:47:09 CHERNOFF media outlets?
LEE yes
10:47:15 CHERNOFFcan you tell us how they contacted you?
10:47:28 i have quite a few patients, one is a PR person, and she had a relationship with an outlet and um, thats how it started
10:47:47CHERNOFF and then you talked to police?
LEE yes
10:47:52 CHERNOFFi want to ask you about june 21st, the morning your received the call from faheem . what time?
10:48:07 it was sometime in the morning i dont know exactly i was out of town.
10:48:29 i dont remember.
10:48:41 CHERNOFFwere you woken up?
LEE no
10:48:45 i actually was overly exhausted so i was in the ER myself as a patient.
10:48:55 CHERNOFFdid you go to the ER in the morning?
LEE yes
10:49:00 ---CHERNOFF FINISHES QUESTIONING----
----LEE STEPS DOWN-----
10:51:10 ----AMIR RUBIN CALLED TO STAND-------
10:51:59 CHERNOFFdo you live in LA?
RUBIN: no
10:52:07 im a hospital executive. stanford hosptial
10:52:14 CHERNOFFwhat do you do?
10:52:16 im responsible for operations and maintenance and functioning of medical center
10:52:31 i was chief operating officer for ucla hospital system. (on june 25th 2009)
10:52:39 I w as responsible for operations of hospital systems
10:53:06 CHERNOFFcould you give us a quick layout...brief rundown mr amir on the layout of ucla medical center as in 2009
10:53:46 sure, the medical center is a multi story hospital with a emergency department on ground floor, basement level...operating suites on second floor
10:54:11 CHERNOFFits not just one building?
10:54:15 well the inpatient unit is functionally one building, but theres a series of buildings on the campus including research labs, classes
10:54:34 my office was in the administration area, first floor, entry level floor lobby on west side of entrance of ground floor of hospital
10:54:53CHERNOFF this is commonly known as the west lobby area?
10:55:04 yeah, the west lobby. there is a children's welcome for childrens hosptial so sometimes its referred as the childrens hospital entrance
10:55:23 CHERNOFFwhere is the emergency room compared to your office
RUBIN the emergency room was through some doors and hallways probably a couple hundred feet north of the administration suite
10:55:44 sure you would walk through the lobby, enter doors, and you would be presented in the emergency room waiting area
10:56:04 CHERNOFFis it possible to go to the west lobby by exiting the emergency room a
RUBIN yes
10:56:15 there was doors to the outside of the emergency department and suite
10:56:27 CHERNOFFi want to direct your attention to june 25th, 2009, and see if you remember an evgent there involving death of MJ
10:56:49 yes
10:56:50CHERNOFF were you working
10:56:53 yes
10:57:00 CHERNOFFwhen did you first learn MJ had been brought in
10:57:05 i had been called from the emergency department that we had a person of interest and my assistants might be...and he had already been in the emergency department, but i had come over to see if i could help
10:57:27 yeah, or any issue of interest. as the COO i get hundreds of email sand calls a day on hundreds things that are happening
10:57:43 not over the page no
10:57:46 yeah, one of my team members said i think you should come down here
10:58:00 CHERNOFFwhat did you see
10:58:02 well, from the emergency department perspective, it was functioning routinely and i was not in the clinical area per say
10:58:23 CHERNOFFcould you give us some time when this occurred
10:58:29 um, i dont recall precise time but it was in the afternoon
10:58:41CHERNOFF was it before 4
10:58:44 no he was already in a patient trauma room with staff. i didnt go into the room i wasnt there
10:59:03 CHERNOFFdid you look inside the room?
RUBIN no
10:59:10 well we wanted to make sure we secured the area for privacy purposes, so those were some of the things i was involved with
10:59:29 CHERNOFFsecurity purposes to keep people from coming in?
RUBIN correct
10:59:37CHERNOFF how did you secure the area
we had security forces internal, and lapd we made sure we had privacy shades up and eventually we tried to move any additional people who had come in with the event to other areas
11:00:04CHERNOFF there were people who came in during the vent?
RUBIN there was people there when i arrived there
11:00:18 um, theres people whose names i know after the fact but not at the time
11:00:29 CHERNOFFwho is it that was there
11:00:31 when i first came, likely there was security type people i presumed from mr jacksons staff
11:00:57 i presumed so with ear pieces and there was other people but i didnt know who they were
11:01:12 um, later on there were family emembers, i cant exactly recall
11:01:22CHERNOFF did you see dr murray?
11:01:25 um, i dont recall seeing dr murray when i first arrived there. i didnt know dr murray was dr murray, i recall having seen him there briefly as i saw other people there
11:01:46CHERNOFF how long would you say you stayed in the emergency room
11:01:51 oh, well, probably initially i would say 45 minutes or so and i was moving back and forth...
11:02:23 well we wanted to have in the medical area we tired to not have a lot of people back there so we wanted to make sure that was outside the medical area and have privacy..in conjunction with folks in emergency department
11:02:50 i berlieve we had one conference room for police, one for family, and we used a conference room by admin for others not directly involved
11:03:11 CHERNOFF was there a meeting held to discuss a PR?
11:03:27 yes
11:03:28 CHERNOFF and who was present in that conference room
11:03:33um, i wouldn't say it was a formal, CEO of AEG live, and a gentlemen who was with public relations with AEG were working on a press release, our head of PR at ucla was there to assist and at some point in the process mr jermaine jackson was there as well, there might have been others in and out of the room. i wasnt statically staying in that room so im not sure....
11:04:44 CHERNOFF do you know what time it was?
11:04:48 um, well it was certainly after the time i was in the emergency department, maybe an hour and a half later.
11:05:06 CHERNOFF the press release announced MJ was dead though
11:05:12 if thats what it says. i wasnt involved in writing it
11:05:20 CHERNOFFat some point the press release was given somewhere in ucla medical center
11:05:29 it was in the basement area of the auditorium
11:05:35 CHERNOFFthe press release was given by who
11:05:39 mr jermain jackson
11:05:46CHERNOFF during this period of time, while theres discussion, do you recognize dr murray
11:05:58 yes i do recognize dr murray
11:06:08 um, briefly yes. i believe in the conference room
11:06:17 CHERNOFFwhen you saw him what did you observed him to be doing
11:06:25 i believe the aeg pr people had copies of press release and a few folks were reading it and i believe he looked at it as well. yes, i believe there was a comment in the press release something to the affect stating the reason for death and i believe he state its not known at this time
11:07:12 again, maybe at that point...i didnt really differentiate him from anybody else. he was wearing a t shirt and jeans. um, well certainly he looked distressed was the mood there
11:07:57 CHERNOFF you talked about the ceo of aeg live, does randy phillips ring a bell
RUBIN yes
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--WALGREN---
11:08:26 WALGRENdo you recall telling the police about how mrs jackson, was notified about the death of her son
RUBIN yes
****11:08:48 WALGREN you told the police the doctor, rachelle cooper, walking into the exam rooms to tell the mom that her son had been dead
RUBIN presumably yes i did observe dr cooper going into a room
****11:09:11 WALGREN shortly there after, you described that you heard the anguish of a mom hearing about her child from a person perspective, it was just not a good thing to hear
11:09:27 thats correct
11:09:30 WALGREN thats what you observed
RUBIN yes.
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11:18:22 i am the president and CEO of a company knwon as AEG live, subsidiary or division of AEG, the parent company
11:18:51 um, we have a number of different divisions, we own sports teams, we built staples center, so basically we are in the sports and facility operations
11:19:17 CHERNOFF tell us about the o2 arena in london
11:19:32 it is an arena similar in size to staples center in los angeles. could hold to 8,000 to 17,000 people depending on the production. for sporting it could be a little more
11:20:08 i think max capacity is probably around 19 to 20.
11:20:14 we opened it in 2005 or 2006. it was built prior to that
11:20:33 CHERNOFF how long have you been ceo?
BRANDON PHILLIPS: 9 1/2 years.
11:20:55 im responsible for our yearly PNL, my job is to not only book talent for world tours, but also to make sure our regional offices are functioned properly...
11:21:24 its headquarters yes
11:21:27 CHERNOFF you noted that part of what you do is bring in talent? and in fact aeg live makes its money for promoting these shows.
11:22:03 bon jovi, justin timberlake, usher
11:22:10 CHERNOFF you mentioned that aeg also owns staples center, and any other arenas?
11:22:23 we have kansas city sprint center....
11:23:03 CHERNOFF when you book shows, do you attempt to arrange the shows to be the arenas you own?
11:23:19 well, we couldnt do a tour just in stuff we own and operate, if it happens to be one of our venues.....yes we would. but we do shows in many third party venues we dont own or operate
11:24:03 CHERNOFF did you have any ...what about o2 arena? do you often book for one series of shows?
BRANDON PHILLIPS: well london is the greatest concert market in the world. bigger than tornoto and ny combined,we end up playing multiple nights at the o2. prince did 21 nights at the o2, beyonce did 8, justin timberlake did 5, usher did 6, generally most artists if theyre really hot it gets magnified in london where the demand is greater
11:25:16 i ran a record company, i was in the record business called gasoline alley, it was mca records, we had a very successful run at at the same time i....(lists other companies he worked with)
11:26:02 um, ive been probably going on to 30 years (in entertainment industry)
11:26:14 CHERNOFF did you have occasion to work with michael jackson?
yes
11:26:20 the best of my recollection. my first encounter was in mid 90's, 93, but in that case i represented him in negotiations in fulfillment of endorsement deal with LA gear
11:26:45 more as an agent....but iw as a consultant in that deal. reporting to his attorney at the time
11:27:07 i actually brought the l.a. gear deal to them
11:27:25 after that period of time in the early 90's did your relationship continue?
no. i had lost touch with michael
11:27:55 the next time i saw michael was in a meeting sometime in 2007
11:28:04 CHERNOFF so there was a length of time, 15 years, before you came in contact with Michael jackson again? in 2007 you were the ceo. how did you come to contact?
11:28:30 one of my executives received a call from an attorney peter lopez representing michael they arranged a meeting in las vegas
11:28:51 one of the individuals paul gongawear.. was he an employee in 2007? were you familiar with the rel. he had with Michael jackson?
11:29:13 paul was hired....he was hired to take over michael's..he had a world tour that paul went in and took over in 96 or 97.
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