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Saeb Erekat Interview
01:37:54:00>>>INTERVIEWER: Can you say your name? ,01:38:00:00>>>SAEB ERAKAT:My name? My name is Saeb Erakat. [SPELLS NAME] ,01:38:05:00>>>INTERVIEWER: What is your preferred title?,01:38:15:00>>>SAEB EREKAT: I am a Cabinet Minister on the Palestinian Authority. And when we have negotiations, I lead the negotiations. ,01:38:30:00>>>INTERVIEWER: Where are you from? ,01:38:40:00>>>SAEB EREKAT: I am a Palestinian. I was born in the City of Jericho, in 1955. That's where I did my - all my studies. And later on I did my Bachelors and Masters in ____ City University, in International Relations, and I went for my PhD in England, school of Peace Studies, and ____ Resolution. I am married, four children, two daughters, and two boys. I also wrote books on the - mostly on the Israeli conflict. And my real life is as a University Professor in the Political Science Department, at _____ University in _____. ,01:39:00:00>>>INTERVIEWER: You wrote a book on Jewish immigration to Palestine. ,01:39:05:00>>>SAEB EREKAT: That's right. ,01:39:15:00>>>INTERVIEWER: Can you tell a little bit about (Inaudible)? ,01:39:18:00>>>SAEB EREKAT: I wrote a book on the Jewish immigration to Palestine. Not in terms of how many came from Russia, and how many came from The Soviet Union, or how many came from Romania, or so on. But here is a notion of people who built their premise, their idea, in 1897. Hertzel said, let's give a land with no people, to a people with no land. And the people with no land, you are referring to the Jews, and the land with no people - you are referring to Palestine. And that year, when he said that, there were 650,000 Palestinians. And -they deny their existence. They deny the existence of my grandfathers and great grandfathers. And then -in 1917, when balfour declaration was issued, and stated to create a homeland for the Jews. And without undermining the civil and religious right of the non-Jewish minorities in Palestine, we were referred to now, we (Inaudible) nonexistence stage into being, but now 92% of Palestinian - of Palestine was Palestinians - mothers and Christians, and were referred to as the minorities. And the 8% of the population, the Jews were granted in accordance with the British logic, the homeland, while they shifted to treat us, as the minorities were (Inaudible). ,The third stage, we are thinking ____, began in 1948 when Israel was created, and one million Palestinians became refugees. We became to be known as the refugee-problem. The ____ refugee problem, the ____ refugee problem. And this stage continues until 1965, when nobody realized that between 1948 and 1965, four out of each ten Palestinian born in refugee camps, died before reaching the age of one. When Palestinians took to arms, to struggle and to say we have a problem, then we were - they branded us as terrorists. ,01:41:53:00>>>SAEB EREKAT: And then the fifth stage was, when they signed an agreement in Oslo, with us, or in Washington, saying - on that first day, saying the Palestinian people. So the whole thing of, of the book before Oslo was the transition of a people who denied our existence, and then who used demography, and immigration to build a nation. And then, they occupied the West Bank in Gaza, in 67'. The annual population growth of the Gaza Strip, today, is 5.2%, annually, which is the highest on earth. And the West Bank, at 4, 4%, annually. So what's the logic? What's their logic? If they attribute to build in Israel, for Jews, as they say, and then bring all these immigrants to (Inaudible) factor, and then they keep occupying three - now today we have 3.6 million Palestinians. And this population growth, annually, which is almost 4.5%., ,The question I ask, in that book, and the questions are - the questions asked, to maintain an occupation that is consistent with the idea that led to the birth of Israel. How do they manage this? And is it really -only a concept of a nation for the Jewish people, that they want? Or, why do they keep occupying me? What do they want from me? We can't - anybody who knows, to calculate one plus one equals two, will calculate that this average growth rate, annually, that, in plenty of time, the whole demographic balance between the Mediterranean and the River of Jordan, will be to my favor. Why are there big settlements next to my home, Jericho - town of Jericho? Why do they build settlements in Ramalah and Hebron? What are these people -who transfer the ____ to be just one, and turned out into being a land broker? (Inaudible). , And all, you know, the conclusion of my book was that it's, it's political blindness, arrogance of power, extremism, and that, you know, I realize that there were very ugly phenomenon's, in the growth on the rise in this Israeli society, toward racism, toward fascism. Because such diseases, nobody is immune to being a racist, whether black or white, or colored, or Moslem, or Christian, or Jew. And we're always trying to find a way to explain it. The question, I brought to them in that book, what are you going to do with me? [OFF CAMERA COMMENTS] ,01:45:23:50:00>>>>>>INTERVIEWER: You said the ____ society is racist - have gone toward racism and fascism. (Inaudible) Palestinian society? ,01:45:24:00>>>SAEB EREKAT: Well, the Palestinian -I'm exerting every possible ____, at this stage. Where we tend to be the last people on earth to be under occupation. Well, Israel is the last country on earth that possesses _____ occupying power. Where today are they speaking to me, in the West Bank and Gaza? 50% of Palestinian children are malnutritioned. 45% of Palestinian women - they're pregnant and they are facing anemia - anemic. And we have been pushed toward a human catastrophe, where our towns, villages and refugee camps have been turned into big prisons. ,And this human catastrophe is not happening because we were hit by floods or earthquake, or volcanoes. It's human made catastrophe. And the Israeli government made the catastrophe ____, something called closure and siege, where, where people, you know, like in - take my constituents in Jericho, who are normal people. They have seven patients who needed chemotherapy for their cancer. They died last year because we could not get them to hospitals in Jerusalem, East Jerusalem. We have three people who need kidney dialysis, and (Inaudible). They died. We could not leave them there, because of Israeli road blocks. ,So, with all this circumstances, people tend to be angry. People tend to hate. People tend to say, sometimes, bad things about Jews. We stand up and we urge them, please, don't, don't, don't let them push you towards that ____ of hating people simply because they are a different religion. And saying, openly, there is Judaism is a god religion. We must expect - we have no problem with Jews, as Jews. We have a political problem with Israeli politicians who are politically blind, who are pushing their people towards racism and fascism, and don't let them push you to these ____. ,01:47:30:00>>>INTERVIEWER: You were a man of peace, you are part founder of the peace camp. Where is the peace? Where is the peace camp today, and why (Inaudible)? ,01:47:45:00>>>SAEB EREKAT: The peace camp, the Palestinian peace camp, today, is a shattered peace camp. And I would tell you that it's - to be honest with you, also there's an Israeli peace camp - a shattered peace camp. We are mirror image of each other. Israelies and Palestinians. ,But let me tell you the following: I'm one of those who has been to life after peace. I have negotiated with Israelis during the Barak government; President Clinton, President Arafat, on a ____ status agreement. We have drafted three chapters of the treaty, me and my Israeli colleagues, and we came a long way. We know exactly that peace is doable, on all issues; the Jerusalem settlements border refugees. ,01:48:55:00>>>SAEB EREKAT: And I don't act like a prophet to tell you that peace will come. The peace will happen between Palestinians and Israelis. And it's not going to happen because I wish it to happen, because the uniqueness of our conflict with the Israelis, is that it will never be played in accordance with a zero sum game. Sharon may want to play it in accordance with a zero sum game. Netanyahu [PH] may way to play it in accordance with a zero sum game. Palestinian extremists may want to play it in accordance with a zero sum game. The uniqueness, the uniqueness of this conflict, it's either two winners, or two losers. Losers we have been, for the last fifty years, because we sought the path of violence, wars, and military solution which will never provide answers. And the only way to be a winner is going to be through a meaningful peace process, that will end the Israeli occupation, and establish a Palestinian State, next to Israel, on the June 4, 67' borders. ,I did not wake up one morning, and neither did President Arafat, wake up one morning and felt his conscious was aching (Inaudible) Israelis, that he organized the State of Israel. And by the way, neither did the Israelis wake up one morning, and felt their conscious was aching that they wanted to organize the PLO, for the Palestinian people. It is a need. ,Today, when I seek peace, with Israelis, I'm not doing the Israelis a favor - the favor is for my people, my daughters. It's for me. We need peace. And today, at this darkest hour, of Palestinians and Israelis, I can tell you that the majority of Palestinians and Israelis want nothing more than the revival of hope, in their minds, that peace is doable. A revival for many, for the peace process, that would end Israel occupation, because that would be the surest way to peace in the security for all. ,01:50:30:00>>>INTERVIEWER: Thank you sir. You speak about the majority of Palestinians. Does the Palestinian Authority, the ____ Minister, does it speak for all the factions of the Palestinian Movement, or just for ____? ,01:50:40:00>>>SAED EREKAT: No, we speak for every Palestinian. I was - we were elected by the Palestinian people. It's true that I got 58% of the work in this constituency against seven candidates. But that's elections. We are a democratically elected Palestinian Authority. And we, as Palestinians, we have an overloaded wagon. We really do. We've gone through transformations that's so difficult. Sometimes it's hard to distinguish and tell the difference, and educate our people about the difference between political pluralism - meaning having parties, having different opinions, having a position, or authority pluralism; (Inaudible) into their own hands, and achieve this through guns, or through violence, through whatever. And we're telling them, we must tolerate and build a nation, build on political pluralism. But authority pluralism must not be tolerated under any circumstances, under any religious ____, under any reason. Nothing justifies authority pluralism, because it's the ____ destruction. ,WE have, we have another (Inaudible) because sometimes we tell people, okay you can't come to (Inaudible) in Jericho. And (Inaudible) against me, against my policies, against me as a peace maker, which they do. Okay? But when you stand up and start advocating to hate Jews, or to kill Jews, simply because they are Jews, that is not freedom of expression. That's incitement, and that should be punishable by law. That's what we're doing, that's (Inaudible). ,Now, you take all of this, Palestinian Authority, that is not a Palestinian State, we are not a state, ___ government that is a conflict of limitation. I cannot leave my hometown, Jericho, unless a military commander allow me. The farmers cannot leave Jericho unless the military commanders would allow them. The occupation continued. The settlements continued. Confiscation of land continued. And we were up against all of these things. And then all of the continuation of the settlement activity, the confiscation of land, (Inaudible) because this is the ammunition for our extremists - Palestinian extremists who are killing, but Israelis don't want peace. ,01:53:30:00>>>INTERVIEWER: I read in an Israeli newspaper, ____ that there is actually a civil war in the Palestinian community. That it is actually not the Palestinian Authority speaking for ____. The Palestinian Authority is in a civil war against Hamas, against the Jihad, and they're not a unified nation speaking for all. Are you in a civil war with Hamas and Jihad? ,01:53:58:00>>>SAEB EREKAT: No. No. I don't think we have a civil war. I don't think we, we will have a civil war. But, as I said, we are telling all Palestinian factions that authority pluralism will not be tolerated, cannot be tolerated. And there will be one authority, and that is the elected authority. Because our way of life, when a Palestinian State established, and mark my words, they're gonna be free democratic nation, accountable, transparent, belief in human rights, and the universal values of human rights. ,Now, I'm not saying that we have magic solutions, or magic states. We're being challenged by certain parties, by certain extremists who want to take the law into their own hands. Who want to exercise their rights as an authority. By that, because they're not a state. And today, the Sharon government has done nothing but destroy us. (Inaudible) here in Jericho. I am directed to help the people of Jericho. Me and my constituent. Farmers come to me to help them give their citrus or vegetables to the Mullah Market. I can't help them . They have to go to an Israeli officer, the ____ in the entrance of Jericho, and get the permission from him. If a Palestinian wants to leave to a university, he has to seek the permission of Israelis. If a Palestinian sick person wants to go to a hospital, or go to a ____, or get whatever. But Sharon is making me irrelevant, on the hour, every hour, here. ,01:55:45:00>>>INTERVIEWER: What about the - the ____ Martyrs Brigade. They're supposed to be connected to ____. Are they connected to a Palestinian Authority, or are they enemies of the Palestinian Authority? What's the position on the (Inaudible)? ,01:55:51:00>>>SAEB EREKAT: Well, the position of all Palestinians, and the ____ Martyr Brigades, or all other military groups, the Palestinian Authority's position is that we do not tolerate anybody taking the matters into their own hands, period. Whether it's from this faction, or that faction. There is one authority that's been calling to stop all attacks, to stop suicide bombing, to stop everything, and I think people should listen to. But now, you know, we're an authority by name. Sharon is destroying this ability. Sharon destroyed our ability. Sharon destroyed our command centers, our communication center, our police stations, our prisons. And, you know, I understand that if I'm accountable, I have to be irrelevant. But if you're making me irrelevant, don't make me accountable. ,So that's the - Sharon's game. Sharon is destroying us on the hour, every hour. But when something goes wrong, because his policies of ____ would always fail, and he will not bring any peace or security Israelis through military means. If a suicide bombing happens, while he is in full control of our towns, villages and refugee camps, and his tanks ____, he points his finger at Arafat, and asks to blame us. ,01:57:10:00>>>INTERVIEWER: Do you oppose - what was your response to President Bush's call for a regime change in June, this past year in 2002? ,01:57:21:00>>>SAEB EREKAT: Well, we responded to him. I held a press conference here, and we had the Palestinian Authority. And we announced that we would convene presidential and ministerial elections, so the Palestinian people can choose, electoraly, their leader. And I thanked President Bush. The Palestinians have elected this leadership, in free and fair elections, that was helped and sponsored by their American Administration, and by the European union, by the way. And let Palestinians choose their leader, through one mean, only. And that is democracy and elections. We don't have an army, we don't have a navy, we don't have an air force. ,So, if President Bush thinks we can't have a coup, it's not possible. We don't have the means. You know, Israel is the strongest - one of the strongest army on earth. We have been facing the most disproportionate use of force in the history of mankind. So, (Inaudible) Arafat, us, every Palestinian, we want to hold presidential and administrative elections, so Palestinians can choose their leader. But I don't think that is ____ to President Bush, or to Prime Minister Sharon, that they could care less. The Palestinians are ruled by the Boy Scouts, or Atilah the Hun, that's a pretext. I believe this president of the United States, has decided to take the cost free road, of slugging Palestinians, of blaming Palestinians, because it doesn't cost him anything. And I believe this administration has the same gift from the peace process and the end result, is more Israeli and Palestinian blood, and that is the truth, and that's the unfortunate truth. ,01:59:00:00>>>INTERVIEWER: What do you think has gone most wrong about the (Inaudible) in the past two years? What have been the most successful, and the biggest mistakes? ,01:59:05:00>>>SAEB EREKAT: Well I, I don't think that we can find answers, in terms of trying to site mistakes, or trying to find answers, or trying to find good things or bad things. It's very expensive. Palestinians, my job, and my belief is to save lives, of Israelis and Palestinians. Listen, I'm a father of four. It breaks my heart to see an Israeli child die, or killed in a suicide bombing, here, which I condemn. And which we, in the Palestinian Authority and President Arafat condemn. And we have always said (Inaudible) target civilians, over Israelis or Palestinians. But when people want to give to us, a solution, solve the problem, they usually handle the roots of the problem. And the roots of the problem, here, is occupation. ,When the Oslo Accords were signed, Palestinians, in the streets of Ramalah, and streets of Jericho, and the streets of Gaza, said goodbye to Israeli soldiers who were leaving. Because they believed that we can achieve peace through negotiations. Ten years, after Oslo, Palestinians are still telling us now, you promised us. We're still under occupation. Settlements are expanding. Where is the peace you promised us? ,02:00:40:00>>>INTERVIEWER: You talk about the opposition to the militancy of the extremists. But they are still doing so much, the ____ Martyr Brigade continues ____ very popular, as the - these militants, have they gotten away from you, are they no longer led by the ____? ,02:00:54:00>>>SAEB EREKAT: I don't know exactly what's, what's happening. I don't have an answer, to be honest with you. But I know that -listen, if Sharon manages to achieve his end game, and that is to destroy the Palestinian Authority, and to kill President Arafat, the alternative to this Palestinian Authority, and to President Arafat, it's gonna be chaos. There's gonna be anarchy. , In my hometown, there will be militias, and warlords dividing the city between themselves, and the first thing they will do is to kill people like me. And this will be the situation in all Palestinian towns and villages, and refugee camps. And I'm sure that, at that point, Sharon and ____ will stand on American TV to say, we want to make peace, we want to make a concession for peace, but we don't have partners. You don't expect us to negotiate with militias and warlords and Taliban and ____. That's their end game. Their end game is to let things reach the point of chaos. I believe what we're suffering from, Palestinians and Israelis, are the near seeds that _____ planted between 1996 and 99', when he was the Prime Minister. , ,02:02:05:00>>>INTERVIEWER: You mentioned Taliban. Americans often make comparisons. Since September 11th, they feel the price of terrorism. And for them, perhaps, the September 11th - the suicide bombing of a _____ Martyr Brigade looks like the Taliban, the Osama Bin Laden attack. It looks like the same thing. That may be the root of (Inaudible). ,02:02:10:00>>>SAEB EREKAT: Well I - first of all, Israel, since September 11th, I believe - Sharon and the Israeli government, and Israeli politicians, have tried to hijack September 11th. I look at it - as Palestinians we condemn the attacks on the Twin Towers, and in Washington, were the strongest possible attack. Palestinians in Gaza, and Jericho, and Ramala, stood in lines to donate blood to the American victims, held vigils. And yet, we are - to the common Palestinian, you know, occupation is the highest form of terrorism. And we suffer from the Israeli state of terrorism. ,02:03:31:00>>>SAEB EREKAT: And it's ironic that, you know, at a time when the Americans go to Afghanistan, we see these Americans and British in Afghanistan, building schools, building water pipes, building roads. How can the Israelis compare themselves with Americans and, and those in Afghanistan, who are building a nation, while they lay army in Jericho, in Ramala, in Gaza, in ____, and destroying the water system; the roads, the sidewalks, the schools. So, how can Americans not see the difference? Americans were not out there fighting the Afghanis, or Taliban, or Al Qaeda. These people did this horrible, murderous attack on innocent Americans working in New York and in Washington. , So how can Israel get away with trying to equate between the two situations? By simply using the fact that my middle name is Mohammad. And that's very dangerous. That is a dangerous thing. It's another phenomena of Bin Laden, that Israel is trying to use now - (Inaudible) a Moslem, and that's very dangerous. That's racism. And that should stop. Islam is not a religion that advocates bombings or suicide bombings, or killings of civilians, or ___. And, as Palestinians, we stood up and told Bin Laden ____ Arafat, stood up on record and told him, don't use your injustices for our just cause. That's our position. ,02:05:30:00>>>INTERVIEWER: You are a man of peace and negotiation, not a man of ____. Camp David, [TONE] (Inaudible) opportunity for negotiations. What went wrong at Camp David? Why did (Inaudible)? What happened with (Inaudible) Bill Clinton - ,02:05:36:00>>>SAEB EREKAT: Look, I know that difference. My word against Netanyahu's word, or Barak's word, in the commerce and the senate. I don't stand a chance. I don't stand a chance. And what happened in Camp David, I was there. I believe no Palestinians and Israelis have come, ____ in Camp David. Many stones were, were, were unturned. And it's not, you know, our resolution about doctor's salaries or nurse's salaries. These issues that we're negotiating are what make Israelis and Palestinians ____ settlements, borders, refugees, Jerusalem. We're the product of history, religion, and so on. So, we came a long way. ,And then after Camp, Camp David, I sat with ______ for fifty-seven ____, under Camp David in Jerusalem, West Jerusalem. In which we came a long, long, long way, the Clint - the Clinton parameters of December 23rd, which I received from President Clinton (Inaudible). And then I went back with President Arafat, to see President Clinton, no January 2nd, 2001, just eighteen days before he left the White House. And President Arafat told him, I accept your barometers, with the following clarifications - the same answer that Barak gave. ____ saw President Clinton in Tel Aviv, Citizen Clinton, and I said to him, Mr. President, why did you say that we rejected your promises? You know what Arafat told you, yes? He said, I was told if I don't say this, there will not be a Peace Camp in Israel. , So, we came a long way. We have drafted three chapters of the permanent status treaty. And the on - and we agreed, I agreed with my Israeli colleagues that by 13th of April, 2001, the treaty would be concluded. And what happened was, in February they elected Sharon. Sharon became the Prime Minister, in March 2001, and he suspended all negotiations. That is the truth. That's what happened. , ,02:07:447:00>>>INTERVIEWER: Have things become better, since that time of Camp David, has the intifada advanced things for the Palestinian people, and if so, how? ,02:07:53:00>>>SAEB EREKAT: Don't take the intifada as, ah, advanced or put things backward. The Intifada is a Palestinian message. When Palestinians - so, you know, the continuation of settlements. So, Sharon and the holiest of the holy, for the Moslems in (Inaudible), okay? They came to the realization that the peace camp way of negotiations had failed. So the intifada came as a message that you will not accept occupation. We will continue asking for our freedom and liberty, which you failed to give us through negotiations. Which YOU - we were told by Baker, personally told by Jim Baker, (Inaudible) that they stand next to those who stand next to peace. That once we recognize the State of Israel, once we accept two for two, things will change and we will have a two-step solution. And for ten years, Palestinians have seen the continuation of settlements, confiscation of land, demolition of homes, and they were asking people like me, you promised us. We're supposed to (Inaudible)? He told us once (Inaudible) Israel, we will have our own state. You brought us nothing but more settlements. ,So now, that's the cause for the intifada. It's not because the Palestinians dreamt - Palestinians dream of their liberty and freedom, and they will seek it. In my world, I tell Palestinians, we gonna get our freedom, and our liberty, our independence, through a meaningful peace process, that will lead to the ending of the Israel occupation. Others, others are saying to me, we tried to for ten years. You brought us no peace, you brought us no security. So the real challenge, today, is to believe that peace can walk. , ,02:09:50:00>>>INTERVIEWER: Do you support the road map of the quartet; President Bush and the (Inaudible)? ,02:10:00:00>>>SAEB EREKAT: We support it, yes. We are on record, and President Arafat wrote letters to the court, saying that we (Inaudible) President. , ,02:10:15:00>>>INTERVIEWER: What are - what parts of - what magic ingredients would be the final, absolute thing that Israel would provide? It would be an end of conflict for now, and forever, no more struggles, no more war? ,02:10:28:00>>>SAEB EREKAT: End the occupation. End the occupation, and to have agreement of Israel withdraw to the June 4, 67' borders, and a just solution to the refugee problem. It's not, it's not that we need top reinvent the wheel. These things are specified in resolutions 242, and 238, which we agreed with Israelis, and signed with Israelis that the objective of negotiations would lead to the limitation of 242 and 238, meaning, ending the Israeli occupation, Israel will withdraw, a just solution to the refugee problem. , ,02:10:50:00>>>INTERVIEWER: Is there room for a negotiation of the June 4th, 67's borders? ,02:10:55:00>>>SAEB EREKAT:Meaning? , ,01:11:00:00>>>INTERVIEWER: Is there any room to negotiate, in other words - ,02:11:05:00>>>SAEB EREKAT: [OVERLAP] Meaning - , ,02:11:10:00>>>INTERVIEWER: Exactly, Barak claims to have offered 100% of the equivalent territory, but not necessarily that exact same territory. ,02:11:18:00>>>SAEB EREKAT: Well I don't think Barak was saying the truth, when he said that. As a matter of fact, I have never received anything from Barak. And I challenge him to show it to you. As a matter of fact, all the ideas that came out, accepting 67', and then we have a swap of land in size and value, was our idea. Was OUR idea. The fact that we came and said, we accept a state with limited arms, and we accept American and European troops in the state, it was our idea. That we accepted three monitoring station for Israel, in the State of Palestine, and that we accepted to have Israel control over the Jewish Quarters in our city of East Jerusalem, that was OUR idea. And I challenge Barak to show -what he offered the Palestinians. ,Barak came to Camp David without a government. Sharanski [PH] had left him, ____ had left him, _____ was about to leave, and this is the truth. But I told you, we are not running a charitable organization, if it's my word against Barak's word, in the congress and the senate, and for that matter in American media, I don't stand a chance. But ignoring the fact, or denying the fact don't mean they don't exist. This is the fact of what happened in the negotiations. , ,02:12:45:00>>>INTERVIEWER: Are you saying you ____ all these causes that broke down the trust and (Inaudible) negotiations that led to the intifada? So that means that what had ___ Ariel Sharon to visit to the Temple Mount, caused - ,02:12:55:00>>>SAEB EREKAT: No I think, I think Ariel Sharon's visit to the Harim Sharif [PH] ____, was intended to destroy the peace process. Sharon knew exactly what he was doing. Sharon knew that exists historical moment when negotiations are not producing, when settlements are continuing, when Palestinians are suffering, when Israelis are doubting. It is the right time for him to do this visit and destroy everything. And I remember President Arafat - in Barak's home, I was with him, begging Barak not to allow Sharon to go to Temple Mount, to the Harim Sharif, and to a ____ Mosque. And Sharon knew exactly that if he did this visit, he would destroy everything. He knew what he was doing. , ,02:13:50:00>>>INTERVIEWER: You mentioned June 4th, you mentioned end of occupation, you did not say anything about refugees. (Inaudible) ,02:14:00:00>>>SAEB EREKAT: [OVERLAP]I said - I said, a just, a just solution to the refugee problem, and I'm not going to negotiate any of the issues, or where we stand in terms of our positions on - on TV. I leave this to the negotiating table. , ,02:14:10:00>>>INTERVIEWER: Which Israeli - and you've met many of them, which Israeli would be an appropriate peace maker, who really strikes you (Inaudible) that can be somebody that -,02:14:18:00>>>SAEB EREKAT: [OVERLAP] To be honest with you, I have all the respect of the democratic trust of Israelis. And I'm willing to negotiate with any Israeli - leader the Israelis elect. Because I want to make peace with all Israelis, not for this party or that party in Israel. And whoever runs Israel is the choice of Israelis, not my business. I'm not gonna (Inaudible) an Israeli negotiator. , ,02:15:00:00>>>INTERVIEWER: Do you understand the young Palestinian - what it takes to carry out a suicide bombing, inside Israel? Do you understand what - ,02:15:10:00>>>SAEB EREKAT: It gives me a pain in the heart, because I really want Palestinians, and I want my children to be the doctors, the lawyers, the poets, the journalists, and not the suicide bombers. I believe we must revive hope in the minds of Palestinians. We must tell our children, that yes, you'll be able to attend university, yes you will have jobs, yes you will have your freedom, yes you'll have your independence. Yes, this occupation will end. That's what we need to get our answers. And we hope we can ____. , ,02:15:25:00>>>INTERVIEWER: What do you see as the -what do you see as the vision in the future? Do you predict that one day peace will come?,02:15:37:00>>>SAEB EREKAT: Absolutely. Listen, I think the dire situation out there -this human catastrophe that's facing Palestinians, and the situation that the Israelis are living under is just one thing. I want the Israelis and Palestinians to think that what's happening out there is because we did not make peace. And the absence of peace, this is _____. So I'm sure that Palestinians and Israelis will make peace. Because peace is doable. There will be a Palestinian State beside the State of Israel, on the June 4th, 67' border. ,But the real challenge is, how many lives, how many Israeli lives and Palestinian lives must go before we, we come back to the negotiating table? What does Sharon wait for? What is he waiting for? How many lives? How many Palestinians and Israelis must die before people like Sharon must be convinced that there is not - there will never be a ____ solution to this problem. , ,02:16:50:00>>>INTERVIEWER: On those lines, just to follow up, what do you say Palestinians have the right to do in the resistance, until the occupation (Inaudible)? ,02:16:57:00>>>SAEB EREKAT: Well, I believe that Palestinians have the right to stand up against occupation. I believe the Palestinians must stand up for their liberty and freedom. And I tell the Palestinians that we can do, and get our liberty and freedom through a meaningful peace process. And I really hope that today, even though I believe, I'm in a very small minority. I believe that we can revive hope in the minds of Palestinians, that peace is doable, and that we can reach our freedom and independence through a meaningful peace process. We need the help of those who believe in peace. I could care less if someone is pro Palestinian, or someone is pro Israeli in the United States. My world is divided between those who are pro peace, and those who are against peace. And there are those who are pro peace, on both sides, that need the help of every decent human being. ,02:18:00:00>>>INTERVIEWER: Can you help to really stop the terrorism? ,02:18:05:00>>>SAEB EREKAT: We are trying our best. We are trying our best. But - have you been to our towns in Jeanine and Nablith [PH], and the _____, recently? Where is the Palestinian Authority? Is there a Palestinian Authority? We are being destroyed by Sharon, on the hour, every hour. , ,02:18:15:00>>>INTERVIEWER: Do you feel like the Israelis really all feel like Sharon is an extremist? ,02:18:22:00>>>SAEB EREKAT: [OVERLAP] Usually, you know, nations do export technology, export oil, export diamonds, export food. Mr. Sharon is a master at exporting fear, in his own people. And he _____. I think it's ironic about the fact that he brought them no peace, no security, and yet people will vote him as the next - as the Prime Minister of Israel. [OFF CAMERA COMMENTS] ,[END OF INTERVIEW]
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Interview with Cabinet Minister Saeb Erakat,01:37:54:00>>>, INTERVIEWER:,Can you say your name? , SAEB ERAKAT:,My name? My name is Saeb Erakat. [SPELLS NAME] , INTERVIEWER:,What is your preferred title?, SAEB EREKAT:,I am a Cabinet Minister on the Palestinian Authority. And when we have negotiations, I lead the negotiations. , INTERVIEWER:,Where are you from? , SAEB EREKAT:,I am a Palestinian. I was born in the City of Jericho, in 1955. That's where I did my - all my studies. And later on I did my Bachelors and Masters in ____ City University, in International Relations, and I went for my PhD in England, school of Peace Studies, and ____ Resolution. I am married, four children, two daughters, and two boys. I also wrote books on the - mostly on the Israeli conflict. And my real life is as a University Professor in the Political Science Department, at _____ University in _____. , INTERVIEWER:,You wrote a book on Jewish immigration to Palestine. , SAEB EREKAT:,That's right. , INTERVIEWER:,Can you tell a little bit about (Inaudible)? ,01:39:18:00>>>, SAEB EREKAT:,I wrote a book on the Jewish immigration to Palestine. Not in terms of how many came from Russia, and how many came from The Soviet Union, or how many came from Romania, or so on. But here is a notion of people who built their premise, their idea, in 1897. Hertzel said, let's give a land with no people, to a people with no land. And the people with no land, you are referring to the Jews, and the land with no people - you are referring to Palestine. And that year, when he said that, there were 650,000 Palestinians. And -they deny their existence. They deny the existence of my grandfathers and great grandfathers. And then -in 1917, when balfour declaration was issued, and stated to create a homeland for the Jews. And without undermining the civil and religious right of the non-Jewish minorities in Palestine, we were referred to now, we (Inaudible) nonexistence stage into being, but now 92% of Palestinian - of Palestine was Palestinians - mothers and Christians, and were referred to as the minorities. And the 8% of the population, the Jews were granted in accordance with the British logic, the homeland, while they shifted to treat us, as the minorities were (Inaudible). ,The third stage, we are thinking ____, began in 1948 when Israel was created, and one million Palestinians became refugees. We became to be known as the refugee-problem. The ____ refugee problem, the ____ refugee problem. And this stage continues until 1965, when nobody realized that between 1948 and 1965, four out of each ten Palestinian born in refugee camps, died before reaching the age of one. When Palestinians took to arms, to struggle and to say we have a problem, then we were - they branded us as terrorists. ,01:41:53:00>>>,And then the fifth stage was, when they signed an agreement in Oslo, with us, or in Washington, saying - on that first day, saying the Palestinian people. So the whole thing of, of the book before Oslo was the transition of a people who denied our existence, and then who used demography, and immigration to build a nation. And then, they occupied the West Bank in Gaza, in 67'. The annual population growth of the Gaza Strip, today, is 5.2%, annually, which is the highest on earth. And the West Bank, at 4, 4%, annually. So what's the logic? What's their logic? If they attribute to build in Israel, for Jews, as they say, and then bring all these immigrants to (Inaudible) factor, and then they keep occupying three - now today we have 3.6 million Palestinians. And this population growth, annually, which is almost 4.5%., ,The question I ask, in that book, and the questions are - the questions asked, to maintain an occupation that is consistent with the idea that led to the birth of Israel. How do they manage this? And is it really -only a concept of a nation for the Jewish people, that they want? Or, why do they keep occupying me? What do they want from me? We can't - anybody who knows, to calculate one plus one equals two, will calculate that this average growth rate, annually, that, in plenty of time, the whole demographic balance between the Mediterranean and the River of Jordan, will be to my favor. Why are there big settlements next to my home, Jericho - town of Jericho? Why do they build settlements in Ramalah and Hebron? What are these people -who transfer the ____ to be just one, and turned out into being a land broker? (Inaudible). , And all, you know, the conclusion of my book was that it's, it's political blindness, arrogance of power, extremism, and that, you know, I realize that there were very ugly phenomenon's, in the growth on the rise in this Israeli society, toward racism, toward fascism. Because such diseases, nobody is immune to being a racist, whether black or white, or colored, or Moslem, or Christian, or Jew. And we're always trying to find a way to explain it. The question, I brought to them in that book, what are you going to do with me? [OFF CAMERA COMMENTS] , INTERVIEWER:,You said the ____ society is racist - have gone toward racism and fascism. (Inaudible) Palestinian society? ,01:45:24:00>>>, SAEB EREKAT:, Well, the Palestinian -I'm exerting every possible ____, at this stage. Where we tend to be the last people on earth to be under occupation. Well, Israel is the last country on earth that possesses _____ occupying power. Where today are they speaking to me, in the West Bank and Gaza? 50% of Palestinian children are malnutritioned. 45% of Palestinian women - they're pregnant and they are facing anemia - anemic. And we have been pushed toward a human catastrophe, where our towns, villages and refugee camps have been turned into big prisons. ,And this human catastrophe is not happening because we were hit by floods or earthquake, or volcanoes. It's human made catastrophe. And the Israeli government made the catastrophe ____, something called closure and siege, where, where people, you know, like in - take my constituents in Jericho, who are normal people. They have seven patients who needed chemotherapy for their cancer. They died last year because we could not get them to hospitals in Jerusalem, East Jerusalem. We have three people who need kidney dialysis, and (Inaudible). They died. We could not leave them there, because of Israeli road blocks. ,So, with all this circumstances, people tend to be angry. People tend to hate. People tend to say, sometimes, bad things about Jews. We stand up and we urge them, please, don't, don't, don't let them push you towards that ____ of hating people simply because they are a different religion. And saying, openly, there is Judaism is a god religion. We must expect - we have no problem with Jews, as Jews. We have a political problem with Israeli politicians who are politically blind, who are pushing their people towards racism and fascism, and don't let them push you to these ____. , INTERVIEWER:,You were a man of peace, you are part founder of the peace camp. Where is the peace? Where is the peace camp today, and why (Inaudible)? , SAEB EREKAT:, The peace camp, the Palestinian peace camp, today, is a shattered peace camp. And I would tell you that it's - to be honest with you, also there's an Israeli peace camp - a shattered peace camp. We are mirror image of each other. Israelies and Palestinians. ,But let me tell you the following: I'm one of those who has been to life after peace. I have negotiated with Israelis during the Barak government; President Clinton, President Arafat, on a ____ status agreement. We have drafted three chapters of the treaty, me and my Israeli colleagues, and we came a long way. We know exactly that peace is doable, on all issues; the Jerusalem settlements border refugees. ,01:48:55:00>>>,And I don't act like a prophet to tell you that peace will come. The peace will happen between Palestinians and Israelis. And it's not going to happen because I wish it to happen, because the uniqueness of our conflict with the Israelis, is that it will never be played in accordance with a zero sum game. Sharon may want to play it in accordance with a zero sum game. Netanyahu [PH] may way to play it in accordance with a zero sum game. Palestinian extremists may want to play it in accordance with a zero sum game. The uniqueness, the uniqueness of this conflict, it's either two winners, or two losers. Losers we have been, for the last fifty years, because we sought the path of violence, wars, and military solution which will never provide answers. And the only way to be a winner is going to be through a meaningful peace process, that will end the Israeli occupation, and establish a Palestinian State, next to Israel, on the June 4, 67' borders. ,I did not wake up one morning, and neither did President Arafat, wake up one morning and felt his conscious was aching (Inaudible) Israelis, that he organized the State of Israel. And by the way, neither did the Israelis wake up one morning, and felt their conscious was aching that they wanted to organize the PLO, for the Palestinian people. It is a need. ,Today, when I seek peace, with Israelis, I'm not doing the Israelis a favor - the favor is for my people, my daughters. It's for me. We need peace. And today, at this darkest hour, of Palestinians and Israelis, I can tell you that the majority of Palestinians and Israelis want nothing more than the revival of hope, in their minds, that peace is doable. A revival for many, for the peace process, that would end Israel occupation, because that would be the surest way to peace in the security for all. , INTERVIEWER:,Thank you sir. You speak about the majority of Palestinians. Does the Palestinian Authority, the ____ Minister, does it speak for all the factions of the Palestinian Movement, or just for ____? , SAED EREKAT:,No, we speak for every Palestinian. I was - we were elected by the Palestinian people. It's true that I got 58% of the work in this constituency against seven candidates. But that's elections. We are a democratically elected Palestinian Authority. And we, as Palestinians, we have an overloaded wagon. We really do. We've gone through transformations that's so difficult. Sometimes it's hard to distinguish and tell the difference, and educate our people about the difference between political pluralism - meaning having parties, having different opinions, having a position, or authority pluralism; (Inaudible) into their own hands, and achieve this through guns, or through violence, through whatever. And we're telling them, we must tolerate and build a nation, build on political pluralism. But authority pluralism must not be tolerated under any circumstances, under any religious ____, under any reason. Nothing justifies authority pluralism, because it's the ____ destruction. ,WE have, we have another (Inaudible) because sometimes we tell people, okay you can't come to (Inaudible) in Jericho. And (Inaudible) against me, against my policies, against me as a peace maker, which they do. Okay? But when you stand up and start advocating to hate Jews, or to kill Jews, simply because they are Jews, that is not freedom of expression. That's incitement, and that should be punishable by law. That's what we're doing, that's (Inaudible). ,Now, you take all of this, Palestinian Authority, that is not a Palestinian State, we are not a state, ___ government that is a conflict of limitation. I cannot leave my hometown, Jericho, unless a military commander allow me. The farmers cannot leave Jericho unless the military commanders would allow them. The occupation continued. The settlements continued. Confiscation of land continued. And we were up against all of these things. And then all of the continuation of the settlement activity, the confiscation of land, (Inaudible) because this is the ammunition for our extremists - Palestinian extremists who are killing, but Israelis don't want peace. , INTERVIEWER:,I read in an Israeli newspaper, ____ that there is actually a civil war in the Palestinian community. That it is actually not the Palestinian Authority speaking for ____. The Palestinian Authority is in a civil war against Hamas, against the Jihad, and they're not a unified nation speaking for all. Are you in a civil war with Hamas and Jihad? ,01:53:58:00>>>, SAEB EREKAT:,No. No. I don't think we have a civil war. I don't think we, we will have a civil war. But, as I said, we are telling all Palestinian factions that authority pluralism will not be tolerated, cannot be tolerated. And there will be one authority, and that is the elected authority. Because our way of life, when a Palestinian State established, and mark my words, they're gonna be free democratic nation, accountable, transparent, belief in human rights, and the universal values of human rights. ,Now, I'm not saying that we have magic solutions, or magic states. We're being challenged by certain parties, by certain extremists who want to take the law into their own hands. Who want to exercise their rights as an authority. By that, because they're not a state. And today, the Sharon government has done nothing but destroy us. (Inaudible) here in Jericho. I am directed to help the people of Jericho. Me and my constituent. Farmers come to me to help them give their citrus or vegetables to the Mullah Market. I can't help them . They have to go to an Israeli officer, the ____ in the entrance of Jericho, and get the permission from him. If a Palestinian wants to leave to a university, he has to seek the permission of Israelis. If a Palestinian sick person wants to go to a hospital, or go to a ____, or get whatever. But Sharon is making me irrelevant, on the hour, every hour, here. , INTERVIEWER:,What about the - the ____ Martyrs Brigade. They're supposed to be connected to ____. Are they connected to a Palestinian Authority, or are they enemies of the Palestinian Authority? What's the position on the (Inaudible)? ,01:55:51:00>>>, SAEB EREKAT:,Well, the position of all Palestinians, and the ____ Martyr Brigades, or all other military groups, the Palestinian Authority's position is that we do not tolerate anybody taking the matters into their own hands, period. Whether it's from this faction, or that faction. There is one authority that's been calling to stop all attacks, to stop suicide bombing, to stop everything, and I think people should listen to. But now, you know, we're an authority by name. Sharon is destroying this ability. Sharon destroyed our ability. Sharon destroyed our command centers, our communication center, our police stations, our prisons. And, you know, I understand that if I'm accountable, I have to be irrelevant. But if you're making me irrelevant, don't make me accountable. ,So that's the - Sharon's game. Sharon is destroying us on the hour, every hour. But when something goes wrong, because his policies of ____ would always fail, and he will not bring any peace or security Israelis through military means. If a suicide bombing happens, while he is in full control of our towns, villages and refugee camps, and his tanks ____, he points his finger at Arafat, and asks to blame us. , INTERVIEWER:, Do you oppose - what was your response to President Bush's call for a regime change in June, this past year in 2002? ,01:57:21:00>>>, SAEB EREKAT:,Well, we responded to him. I held a press conference here, and we had the Palestinian Authority. And we announced that we would convene presidential and ministerial elections, so the Palestinian people can choose, electoraly, their leader. And I thanked President Bush. The Palestinians have elected this leadership, in free and fair elections, that was helped and sponsored by their American Administration, and by the European union, by the way. And let Palestinians choose their leader, through one mean, only. And that is democracy and elections. We don't have an army, we don't have a navy, we don't have an air force. ,So, if President Bush thinks we can't have a coup, it's not possible. We don't have the means. You know, Israel is the strongest - one of the strongest army on earth. We have been facing the most disproportionate use of force in the history of mankind. So, (Inaudible) Arafat, us, every Palestinian, we want to hold presidential and administrative elections, so Palestinians can choose their leader. But I don't think that is ____ to President Bush, or to Prime Minister Sharon, that they could care less. The Palestinians are ruled by the Boy Scouts, or Atilah the Hun, that's a pretext. I believe this president of the United States, has decided to take the cost free road, of slugging Palestinians, of blaming Palestinians, because it doesn't cost him anything. And I believe this administration has the same gift from the peace process and the end result, is more Israeli and Palestinian blood, and that is the truth, and that's the unfortunate truth. , INTERVIEWER:,What do you think has gone most wrong about the (Inaudible) in the past two years? What have been the most successful, and the biggest mistakes? ,01:59:05:00>>> , SAEB EREKAT:,Well I, I don't think that we can find answers, in terms of trying to site mistakes, or trying to find answers, or trying to find good things or bad things. It's very expensive. Palestinians, my job, and my belief is to save lives, of Israelis and Palestinians. Listen, I'm a father of four. It breaks my heart to see an Israeli child die, or killed in a suicide bombing, here, which I condemn. And which we, in the Palestinian Authority and President Arafat condemn. And we have always said (Inaudible) target civilians, over Israelis or Palestinians. But when people want to give to us, a solution, solve the problem, they usually handle the roots of the problem. And the roots of the problem, here, is occupation. ,When the Oslo Accords were signed, Palestinians, in the streets of Ramalah, and streets of Jericho, and the streets of Gaza, said goodbye to Israeli soldiers who were leaving. Because they believed that we can achieve peace through negotiations. Ten years, after Oslo, Palestinians are still telling us now, you promised us. We're still under occupation. Settlements are expanding. Where is the peace you promised us? , INTERVIEWER:,You talk about the opposition to the militancy of the extremists. But they are still doing so much, the ____ Martyr Brigade continues ____ very popular, as the - these militants, have they gotten away from you, are they no longer led by the ____? ,02:00:54:00>>>, SAEB EREKAT:,I don't know exactly what's, what's happening. I don't have an answer, to be honest with you. But I know that -listen, if Sharon manages to achieve his end game, and that is to destroy the Palestinian Authority, and to kill President Arafat, the alternative to this Palestinian Authority, and to President Arafat, it's gonna be chaos. There's gonna be anarchy. , In my hometown, there will be militias, and warlords dividing the city between themselves, and the first thing they will do is to kill people like me. And this will be the situation in all Palestinian towns and villages, and refugee camps. And I'm sure that, at that point, Sharon and ____ will stand on American TV to say, we want to make peace, we want to make a concession for peace, but we don't have partners. You don't expect us to negotiate with militias and warlords and Taliban and ____. That's their end game. Their end game is to let things reach the point of chaos. I believe what we're suffering from, Palestinians and Israelis, are the near seeds that _____ planted between 1996 and 99', when he was the Prime Minister. , , INTERVIEWER:,You mentioned Taliban. Americans often make comparisons. Since September 11th, they feel the price of terrorism. And for them, perhaps, the September 11th - the suicide bombing of a _____ Martyr Brigade looks like the Taliban, the Osama Bin Laden attack. It looks like the same thing. That may be the root of (Inaudible). , SAEB EREKAT:, Well I - first of all, Israel, since September 11th, I believe - Sharon and the Israeli government, and Israeli politicians, have tried to hijack September 11th. I look at it - as Palestinians we condemn the attacks on the Twin Towers, and in Washington, were the strongest possible attack. Palestinians in Gaza, and Jericho, and Ramala, stood in lines to donate blood to the American victims, held vigils. And yet, we are - to the common Palestinian, you know, occupation is the highest form of terrorism. And we suffer from the Israeli state of terrorism. ,02:03:31:00>>>,And it's ironic that, you know, at a time when the Americans go to Afghanistan, we see these Americans and British in Afghanistan, building schools, building water pipes, building roads. How can the Israelis compare themselves with Americans and, and those in Afghanistan, who are building a nation, while they lay army in Jericho, in Ramala, in Gaza, in ____, and destroying the water system; the roads, the sidewalks, the schools. So, how can Americans not see the difference? Americans were not out there fighting the Afghanis, or Taliban, or Al Qaeda. These people did this horrible, murderous attack on innocent Americans working in New York and in Washington. , So how can Israel get away with trying to equate between the two situations? By simply using the fact that my middle name is Mohammad. And that's very dangerous. That is a dangerous thing. It's another phenomena of Bin Laden, that Israel is trying to use now - (Inaudible) a Moslem, and that's very dangerous. That's racism. And that should stop. Islam is not a religion that advocates bombings or suicide bombings, or killings of civilians, or ___. And, as Palestinians, we stood up and told Bin Laden ____ Arafat, stood up on record and told him, don't use your injustices for our just cause. That's our position. , INTERVIEWER:,You are a man of peace and negotiation, not a man of ____. Camp David, [TONE] (Inaudible) opportunity for negotiations. What went wrong at Camp David? Why did (Inaudible)? What happened with (Inaudible) Bill Clinton - ,02:05:36:00>>>, SAEB EREKAT:,Look, I know that difference. My word against Netanyahu's word, or Barak's word, in the commerce and the senate. I don't stand a chance. I don't stand a chance. And what happened in Camp David, I was there. I believe no Palestinians and Israelis have come, ____ in Camp David. Many stones were, were, were unturned. And it's not, you know, our resolution about doctor's salaries or nurse's salaries. These issues that we're negotiating are what make Israelis and Palestinians ____ settlements, borders, refugees, Jerusalem. We're the product of history, religion, and so on. So, we came a long way. ,And then after Camp, Camp David, I sat with ______ for fifty-seven ____, under Camp David in Jerusalem, West Jerusalem. In which we came a long, long, long way, the Clint - the Clinton parameters of December 23rd, which I received from President Clinton (Inaudible). And then I went back with President Arafat, to see President Clinton, no January 2nd, 2001, just eighteen days before he left the White House. And President Arafat told him, I accept your barometers, with the following clarifications - the same answer that Barak gave. ____ saw President Clinton in Tel Aviv, Citizen Clinton, and I said to him, Mr. President, why did you say that we rejected your promises? You know what Arafat told you, yes? He said, I was told if I don't say this, there will not be a Peace Camp in Israel. , So, we came a long way. We have drafted three chapters of the permanent status treaty. And the on - and we agreed, I agreed with my Israeli colleagues that by 13th of April, 2001, the treaty would be concluded. And what happened was, in February they elected Sharon. Sharon became the Prime Minister, in March 2001, and he suspended all negotiations. That is the truth. That's what happened. , , INTERVIEWER:,Have things become better, since that time of Camp David, has the intifada advanced things for the Palestinian people, and if so, how? ,02:07:53:00>>>, SAEB EREKAT:,Don't take the intifada as, ah, advanced or put things backward. The Intifada is a Palestinian message. When Palestinians - so, you know, the continuation of settlements. So, Sharon and the holiest of the holy, for the Moslems in (Inaudible), okay? They came to the realization that the peace camp way of negotiations had failed. So the intifada came as a message that you will not accept occupation. We will continue asking for our freedom and liberty, which you failed to give us through negotiations. Which YOU - we were told by Baker, personally told by Jim Baker, (Inaudible) that they stand next to those who stand next to peace. That once we recognize the State of Israel, once we accept two for two, things will change and we will have a two-step solution. And for ten years, Palestinians have seen the continuation of settlements, confiscation of land, demolition of homes, and they were asking people like me, you promised us. We're supposed to (Inaudible)? He told us once (Inaudible) Israel, we will have our own state. You brought us nothing but more settlements. ,So now, that's the cause for the intifada. It's not because the Palestinians dreamt - Palestinians dream of their liberty and freedom, and they will seek it. In my world, I tell Palestinians, we gonna get our freedom, and our liberty, our independence, through a meaningful peace process, that will lead to the ending of the Israel occupation. Others, others are saying to me, we tried to for ten years. You brought us no peace, you brought us no security. So the real challenge, today, is to believe that peace can walk. , , INTERVIEWER:,Do you support the road map of the quartet; President Bush and the (Inaudible)? , SAEB EREKAT:,We support it, yes. We are on record, and President Arafat wrote letters to the court, saying that we (Inaudible) President. , , INTERVIEWER:,What are - what parts of - what magic ingredients would be the final, absolute thing that Israel would provide? It would be an end of conflict for now, and forever, no more struggles, no more war? ,02:10:28:00>>>, SAEB EREKAT:,End the occupation. End the occupation, and to have agreement of Israel withdraw to the June 4, 67' borders, and a just solution to the refugee problem. It's not, it's not that we need top reinvent the wheel. These things are specified in resolutions 242, and 238, which we agreed with Israelis, and signed with Israelis that the objective of negotiations would lead to the limitation of 242 and 238, meaning, ending the Israeli occupation, Israel will withdraw, a just solution to the refugee problem. , , INTERVIEWER:,Is there room for a negotiation of the June 4th, 67's borders? , SAEB EREKAT:,Meaning? , , INTERVIEWER:,Is there any room to negotiate, in other words - , SAEB EREKAT:, [OVERLAP] Meaning - , , INTERVIEWER:,Exactly, Barak claims to have offered 100% of the equivalent territory, but not necessarily that exact same territory. ,02:11:18:00>>>, SAEB EREKAT:,Well I don't think Barak was saying the truth, when he said that. As a matter of fact, I have never received anything from Barak. And I challenge him to show it to you. As a matter of fact, all the ideas that came out, accepting 67', and then we have a swap of land in size and value, was our idea. Was OUR idea. The fact that we came and said, we accept a state with limited arms, and we accept American and European troops in the state, it was our idea. That we accepted three monitoring station for Israel, in the State of Palestine, and that we accepted to have Israel control over the Jewish Quarters in our city of East Jerusalem, that was OUR idea. And I challenge Barak to show -what he offered the Palestinians. ,Barak came to Camp David without a government. Sharanski [PH] had left him, ____ had left him, _____ was about to leave, and this is the truth. But I told you, we are not running a charitable organization, if it's my word against Barak's word, in the congress and the senate, and for that matter in American media, I don't stand a chance. But ignoring the fact, or denying the fact don't mean they don't exist. This is the fact of what happened in the negotiations. , , INTERVIEWER:,Are you saying you ____ all these causes that broke down the trust and (Inaudible) negotiations that led to the intifada? So that means that what had ___ Ariel Sharon to visit to the Temple Mount, caused - ,02:12:55:00>>>, SAEB EREKAT:,No I think, I think Ariel Sharon's visit to the Harim Sharif [PH] ____, was intended to destroy the peace process. Sharon knew exactly what he was doing. Sharon knew that exists historical moment when negotiations are not producing, when settlements are continuing, when Palestinians are suffering, when Israelis are doubting. It is the right time for him to do this visit and destroy everything. And I remember President Arafat - in Barak's home, I was with him, begging Barak not to allow Sharon to go to Temple Mount, to the Harim Sharif, and to a ____ Mosque. And Sharon knew exactly that if he did this visit, he would destroy everything. He knew what he was doing. , , INTERVIEWER:,You mentioned June 4th, you mentioned end of occupation, you did not say anything about refugees. (Inaudible) , SAEB EREKAT:,[OVERLAP]I said - I said, a just, a just solution to the refugee problem, and I'm not going to negotiate any of the issues, or where we stand in terms of our positions on - on TV. I leave this to the negotiating table. , , INTERVIEWER:,Which Israeli - and you've met many of them, which Israeli would be an appropriate peace maker, who really strikes you (Inaudible) that can be somebody that -,02:14:18:00>>> , SAEB EREKAT:,[OVERLAP] To be honest with you, I have all the respect of the democratic trust of Israelis. And I'm willing to negotiate with any Israeli - leader the Israelis elect. Because I want to make peace with all Israelis, not for this party or that party in Israel. And whoever runs Israel is the choice of Israelis, not my business. I'm not gonna (Inaudible) an Israeli negotiator. , , INTERVIEWER:,Do you understand the young Palestinian - what it takes to carry out a suicide bombing, inside Israel? Do you understand what - , SAEB EREKAT:,It gives me a pain in the heart, because I really want Palestinians, and I want my children to be the doctors, the lawyers, the poets, the journalists, and not the suicide bombers. I believe we must revive hope in the minds of Palestinians. We must tell our children, that yes, you'll be able to attend university, yes you will have jobs, yes you will have your freedom, yes you'll have your independence. Yes, this occupation will end. That's what we need to get our answers. And we hope we can ____. , , INTERVIEWER:,What do you see as the -what do you see as the vision in the future? Do you predict that one day peace will come?,02:15:37:00>>>, SAEB EREKAT:,Absolutely. Listen, I think the dire situation out there -this human catastrophe that's facing Palestinians, and the situation that the Israelis are living under is just one thing. I want the Israelis and Palestinians to think that what's happening out there is because we did not make peace. And the absence of peace, this is _____. So I'm sure that Palestinians and Israelis will make peace. Because peace is doable. There will be a Palestinian State beside the State of Israel, on the June 4th, 67' border. ,But the real challenge is, how many lives, how many Israeli lives and Palestinian lives must go before we, we come back to the negotiating table? What does Sharon wait for? What is he waiting for? How many lives? How many Palestinians and Israelis must die before people like Sharon must be convinced that there is not - there will never be a ____ solution to this problem. , , INTERVIEWER:,On those lines, just to follow up, what do you say Palestinians have the right to do in the resistance, until the occupation (Inaudible)? ,02:16:57:00>>>, SAEB EREKAT:, Well, I believe that Palestinians have the right to stand up against occupation. I believe the Palestinians must stand up for their liberty and freedom. And I tell the Palestinians that we can do, and get our liberty and freedom through a meaningful peace process. And I really hope that today, even though I believe, I'm in a very small minority. I believe that we can revive hope in the minds of Palestinians, that peace is doable, and that we can reach our freedom and independence through a meaningful peace process. We need the help of those who believe in peace. I could care less if someone is pro Palestinian, or someone is pro Israeli in the United States. My world is divided between those who are pro peace, and those who are against peace. And there are those who are pro peace, on both sides, that need the help of every decent human being. , INTERVIEWER:,Can you help to really stop the terrorism? , SAEB EREKAT:,We are trying our best. We are trying our best. But - have you been to our towns in Jeanine and Nablith [PH], and the _____, recently? Where is the Palestinian Authority? Is there a Palestinian Authority? We are being destroyed by Sharon, on the hour, every hour. , INTERVIEWER:,Do you feel like the Israelis really all feel like Sharon is an extremist? ,02:18:22:00>>>, SAEB EREKAT:,[OVERLAP] Usually, you know, nations do export technology, export oil, export diamonds, export food. Mr. Sharon is a master at exporting fear, in his own people. And he _____. I think it's ironic about the fact that he brought them no peace, no security, and yet people will vote him as the next - as the Prime Minister of Israel. [OFF CAMERA COMMENTS] ,[END OF INTERVIEW]
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Members of 1952 Senate Banking and Currency Committee
WORLD ECONOMIC CONFERENCE
Full title reads: "London. World Economic Conference. Mr Connolly states Irish Free States' Case." <br/> <br/>London. <br/> <br/>Senator Joseph Connolly speaks on behalf the Irish Free State (Eire, Southern Ireland, Republic of Ireland) at the Conference. He discusses bi-metalism, a big issue at the time. He argues against external intervention in Nations. He talks about an international bank. <br/> <br/>Cut away to show British Prime Minister James Ramsay MacDonald taking the Chair of the meeting. Cuts back to Connolly. <br/> <br/>Alternative spelling for search purposes - Ramsey McDonald.
VINCE FOSTER SUICIDE / SENATE WHITEWATER INVESTIGATION (1995)
COMMITTEE MEMBERS HEAR TESTIMONY FROM WHITE HOUSE AND OTHER ADMINISTRATION OFFICIALS CONCERNING THE EVENTS SURROUNDING THE DEATH OF DEPUTY WHITE HOUSE COUNSEL VINCENT FOSTER (VINCE FOSTER).
SENATE BANKING COMMITTEE
SENATE BANKING COMMITTEE HEARING
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25 Years Ago Today
SENATE BANKING HEARING
US Bank Collapse Senator Warren
US Bank Collapse Senator Warren
SENATE WHITEWATER INVESTIGATION PT. 5 (1995)
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[Highlights of 1933--Senate Quizzes J.P. Morgan]
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